Speaker 1: This is Hudson River Radio dot Com.
Speaker 2: Hello out there in podcast land and beyond and maybe
Speaker 2: out in space. Who knows. We've got a credible crew
Speaker 2: out there right now. I'm Maxi margat Rubin along with
Speaker 2: my co host Malcolm Berman. And this is the Many
Speaker 2: Shades of Green, a program that adds a dash of
Speaker 2: green into your life. As we engage in conversations that
Speaker 2: move to inform, educate, activate, and raise your eco and
Speaker 2: social consciousness through culture, politics, music, books, art, science, community,
Speaker 2: we hope to inspire you to pick a shade of
Speaker 2: green and become a steward of this beautiful, blue, green
Speaker 2: planet we call Earth. So I'll start out in l a.
Speaker 2: Hi Malcolm Land and Hi Gay, are you out? And
Speaker 2: where the island you're in?
Speaker 3: Are you in the island? Long Island? Long Island? Beautiful
Speaker 3: Long Island.
Speaker 2: Long Island. Hey has some pretty cool beaches over there. Uh.
Speaker 2: And we got Neil back there in studio and and
Speaker 2: so welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 4: We're going to do a direct hook up with the astronauts.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't I wouldn't know what to do with myself
Speaker 2: if that happened. Uh. Again, I am a space space
Speaker 2: freaky space geeky whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 4: Could you could you? Could you call control headquarters?
Speaker 2: They were ready, he put he said, heave us the
Speaker 2: thumbs up. We're gonna they're gonna patch us into uh
Speaker 2: to the to the center that gives all that incredible
Speaker 2: information all the Houston I think there and now that
Speaker 2: that and also in space Cape Kennedy or Kennedy Space Center,
Speaker 2: I should say, used to be Cape Canaveral anyway, So okay,
Speaker 2: as you can tell, I'm infatuated with the moon dancing
Speaker 2: in the moonlight by a group called top Loader, which
Speaker 2: is very interesting because the orion is on the top
Speaker 2: of the what was on top of the rocket. We
Speaker 2: can play it.
Speaker 4: We get it most gathering.
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Speaker 2: They don't bar and there don't five day keep.
Speaker 5: Their few stick, keep her tiring, every body, damn sound
Speaker 5: in the mule live down slight ever fire.
Speaker 6: Skill, let lod sup up fine out of side.
Speaker 4: Their fines that sound. We like our fine and will
Speaker 4: never fight.
Speaker 2: You can down Sam stay. I'm tied at the super match.
Speaker 2: I'll roll the bike.
Speaker 1: Ever by.
Speaker 2: There was dawn sound m the mule live.
Speaker 7: Down sid.
Speaker 2: Well, We're Dancing in the moonlight, And I had to
Speaker 2: pick that song because even though it kind of has
Speaker 2: a dark side of it, which I didn't realize until
Speaker 2: this is it. The song has a natural vibe and
Speaker 2: it's kind of gentle, sunshiny kind of pop sound which
Speaker 2: emphasizes a natural gathering of people enjoying life contrasted against
Speaker 2: the unnatural, like supernatural delight of a perfect peaceful night.
Speaker 2: The song was written in nineteen sixty nine. This cut
Speaker 2: was from nineteen ninety nine two thousand by Top Loader
Speaker 2: and it was by Herman Kelly, and the origin is
Speaker 2: a bit dark because she was recovering from her personal trauma.
Speaker 2: He was assaulted apparently, and he's trying to recover and
Speaker 2: he was imagining better things during that recovery, and so
Speaker 2: it's kind of has the uplifting parts to it with
Speaker 2: something that is a little chaotic, which seems to be
Speaker 2: what's happening now. We're looking for some joy and celebration
Speaker 2: amidst we're living in chaos and we need some diversion
Speaker 2: and we need joy, and right now, on our personal level,
Speaker 2: I'm getting immense joy from the Lunar Mission Artemis two
Speaker 2: and the amazing crew floating and working right now in
Speaker 2: the Orian Capsule. Human kind of has always been fascinated
Speaker 2: by the moon. The glow of a full moon brings
Speaker 2: inner peace and beauty to the night sky as it
Speaker 2: illuminates the dark. The historic diverse four astronaut team of
Speaker 2: Artemis to includes Commander Reid Wiseman, who's been on many missions,
Speaker 2: Pilot Victor Glover, who's I think the only I have
Speaker 2: to check that person of color to go on a
Speaker 2: Moon trip. There we have mission specialists Christina Cook, she's
Speaker 2: the first women woman to go to to the to
Speaker 2: the Moon, and Jeremy Hansen is the first Canadian to
Speaker 2: take a trip. So we have some international things going uh.
Speaker 2: The crew has made history as being the first units
Speaker 2: to have reached the furthest point away from Earth as
Speaker 2: they flew by the dark side of the Moon. The
Speaker 2: mission has brought people together. It's bringing back science and
Speaker 2: getting students interested in stem and steam. We need that
Speaker 2: art party in there, which is important. It gives us
Speaker 2: joy in these divided times and people are feeling some
Speaker 2: positive energy. When I look online and I see the
Speaker 2: artemist things that it's all positive and people have pride
Speaker 2: in this artemist mission. Mankind wants to explore the galaxy
Speaker 2: and is exciting to witness space travel. And while we
Speaker 2: must band together to take action against the dismantling of
Speaker 2: democracy before our eyes, we have to take a respite
Speaker 2: from the calamity being brought currently. So you know, Gay
Speaker 2: and I talked about this because we were bantering back
Speaker 2: and forth, you know, with notes. But I came across
Speaker 2: and I think you did too. Gay about Kelly Corrigan,
Speaker 2: a New York Times writer, when she said that, so
Speaker 2: what's the responsible citizen to do? How do you count
Speaker 2: to balance the drain of constantly standing guard? And she
Speaker 2: said the answer is simple. Seek moments of wonder in
Speaker 2: your everyday life. Awe inspired by nature, art where the
Speaker 2: feats of a man is justified. And this is a
Speaker 2: feat of man, this this Artemis project. How do we
Speaker 2: reach a mon moment of joy during the as I said,
Speaker 2: this chaos, Perhaps we all need to meditate, look for
Speaker 2: joy and find the common storm, which recently a couple
Speaker 2: of months ago, the Boost monks who walked that twenty
Speaker 2: three hundred miles for peace have done and we had
Speaker 2: the Winter Olympics these amazing athletes, and now we have
Speaker 2: Artemis two crew who are up in space and they're
Speaker 2: on their way back now to Earth, and it's just
Speaker 2: amazing that they saw the dark side of the moon.
Speaker 2: I was going to play Pink Floyd brain Damage, but
Speaker 2: I just couldn't bring myself to it. I wanted something
Speaker 2: a little more so Today anyway, we are joined by
Speaker 2: Gay Paulasner to discuss what we can do in this
Speaker 2: moment to be proactive and finding some joy amidst the chaos,
Speaker 2: and how kindness and empathy can bring back morality. Hopefully,
Speaker 2: we'll talk about all different things, you know, we'll see
Speaker 2: where this all lands. Will also get a bit into
Speaker 2: her art and her books, uh and a lot more.
Speaker 2: Gay is the author of young adult and adult novels.
Speaker 2: She's also a family law attorney and mediator. She co
Speaker 2: authored a book with Nora Rawley Baskin and titled Consider
Speaker 2: the Octopus. I love octopus or creatures that are amazing.
Speaker 2: So that's a that's something.
Speaker 4: So what do you do in your spare time?
Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, I don't know, she doesn't see. You're busy
Speaker 2: in general with a lot of things. But this right
Speaker 2: right anyway, The book is a heartfelt story about friendship
Speaker 2: and an empowering call to environmental protection, especially to young
Speaker 2: people who are already stepping up to help save our
Speaker 2: oceans and our earth. So Gay, welcome to the Many
Speaker 2: Shades of Green Again. You're a friend of the show
Speaker 2: because you've been on and we have. Yes, she's family,
Speaker 2: she's she's miss miss b we have she's she's cousins
Speaker 2: to our monthly political guy. And believe me, he hit
Speaker 2: that politics George Paulisner. He's out and he's out west now.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I just want to do a quote from
Speaker 2: one of the Artemis crew members, Victor Glover. He's the pilot,
Speaker 2: and again I mentioned the first person of color on
Speaker 2: a lunar mission, and I think some of this was
Speaker 2: towards his wife, but also some of it was general
Speaker 2: when he said, as we prepare to go out of
Speaker 2: radio communication, which they did yesterday, we're still going to
Speaker 2: feel your love from Earth and to all of you
Speaker 2: down there on Earth and around Earth, we love you
Speaker 2: from the moon. We will see you on the other side.
Speaker 2: This crew has been incredible. This crew has made me cry.
Speaker 2: You know, we're speaking. We wanted to hit on some Joy,
Speaker 2: and you know, I went to Apollo sixteen, and I
Speaker 2: was at Apollo seventeen launch, which was the last lunar launch,
Speaker 2: which I can't believe was fifty four years ago. I
Speaker 2: was only a baby, but but I went. I went
Speaker 2: to the launches, and I've gone to Shuttle launches. And
Speaker 2: I was at one of the Shuttle launches that took
Speaker 2: off from from Kennedy Space Censor and landed at Edwards
Speaker 2: and my brothers saw the landing in Edwards and I
Speaker 2: saw the takeoff. So it was just really pretty cool.
Speaker 2: And so so we're coming, you know, from a crazy
Speaker 2: point that doesn't seem to be. It's just spiraling constantly,
Speaker 2: you know, And we're also kind of always asking ourselves
Speaker 2: like who's going to save us? Like again, I just
Speaker 2: wrote letters to my senators like who is going to
Speaker 2: save us? Gay, Who's going to save us?
Speaker 3: There is an unloaded question.
Speaker 8: That's why.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just you know, and I said that
Speaker 2: to Malcolm earlier today when we were in the phone.
Speaker 2: I'm like, Who's when is you know, how low is low?
Speaker 2: And it just gets lower.
Speaker 7: Well, I don't know if it's one of the astronauts,
Speaker 7: I said it. They said, you know, looking on the Earth,
Speaker 7: you know, looking at all the stars and everything around us,
Speaker 7: and that we are there, as far as we know,
Speaker 7: the only planet that has people, and we are in
Speaker 7: a charge of the planet to keep it whole.
Speaker 2: Mhm.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we might be that we might be the
Speaker 4: only planet you know that we know of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not. We're not that advanced to be transporting
Speaker 2: ourselves to other galaxies star Trek. You know, I wish
Speaker 2: we were, because I transport myself somewhere right now, Like
Speaker 2: I don't know. But anyway, I mean, you know, there's
Speaker 2: there's heroes, there's it seems to be more villains. Uh
Speaker 2: so what what what say you on this any any
Speaker 2: any words?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I want I mean, the first thing I want to
Speaker 6: say is, you know, talking about transporting us. It was
Speaker 6: really hard to get on this podcast today. It was
Speaker 6: really hard to do anything today. I made a sign
Speaker 6: and I'm going out in the streets by myself after this.
Speaker 6: Hopefully some people will join me because I don't know
Speaker 6: what to do. But one of the things we can do,
Speaker 6: and that's something you know, you and I were talking
Speaker 6: about on our own, is the simple things we can
Speaker 6: do to survive. At this point, and man, you just
Speaker 6: you just did one of them turn on music. It's incredible.
Speaker 6: If you guys could have seen us on our little
Speaker 6: zoom we're clean like that music comes on and you
Speaker 6: go from complete despair to momentary lightness. And you and
Speaker 6: I both have musicians, singer songwriters. Music is an important
Speaker 6: part of our families. And I think about it all
Speaker 6: the time for me personally, and I'm a writer, I'm
Speaker 6: an artist. I think music is maybe the most life
Speaker 6: saving form of art that is out there. And thank
Speaker 6: goodness for the people who make it and who create
Speaker 6: both intense activist songs that carry us through dark dark
Speaker 6: times and also light songs that we can turn on
Speaker 6: and get endorphins back in our bodies.
Speaker 2: It's it's I know, I mean, your sons are musicians.
Speaker 2: My whole family is basically you know, musicians and uh
Speaker 2: and and it's just you know, we hear something, we
Speaker 2: stop moving, you just stop moving and that song dancing
Speaker 2: in the Dancing is another form art form, whether it's
Speaker 2: you know, ballet or whether you're just booging you know
Speaker 2: at a bar mitzvah, I don't know, but anyway, it's
Speaker 2: it's part of it and art. I know you are
Speaker 2: very artistic and theater, and it's just the arts. That's
Speaker 2: why I said steam, not just them. The kids out
Speaker 2: there are there's so many kids who are in just
Speaker 2: took this prodest this lunar, you know, mission to just
Speaker 2: heart and love it, and they're asking questions and when
Speaker 2: they have NASA conferences and CNN asked this kid he
Speaker 2: must have been like twelve years old, and he goes, why,
Speaker 2: you know, why do you like this? You know, and
Speaker 2: he literally, I don't know if you saw the clip,
Speaker 2: but he said, because we're going to the f and
Speaker 2: moon and he said the whole thing, and CNN it
Speaker 2: blocked in on the thing, but it didn't block it
Speaker 2: online because you can say it, and neither did. Colbert
Speaker 2: actually played the clip too, but that just said it.
Speaker 2: You know, that just said it. But again it's the
Speaker 2: the art part of you know, Stam. We need, you know,
Speaker 2: people becoming engineers and people scientists, you know, the unfortunately
Speaker 2: they decimated, like all these departments, the Union of Concerned Scientists,
Speaker 2: you know, we had them on the show. I'm going
Speaker 2: to have them back. But one of the scientists I
Speaker 2: had on that I had originally he goes, I can't
Speaker 2: come back on because if you want to see an
Speaker 2: older scientist climate scientists, and you want to hear me
Speaker 2: crying on the air, that's what she said. And she
Speaker 2: gave me somebody else who's younger, but also almost who's
Speaker 2: gone on the air because they're decimating the science population.
Speaker 6: They might be, but this is happening now, So where
Speaker 6: is this piece of hope coming from?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 6: Like, I was actually wondering that and I literally asked
Speaker 6: the question out loud to my husband, is that we
Speaker 6: see this decimation, We know there's a decimation, Yet somehow
Speaker 6: in the middle of this decimation, this mission right was
Speaker 6: able to take place and happen.
Speaker 3: Do we know how?
Speaker 2: Like where?
Speaker 6: Because if we know how, then that tell like it's
Speaker 6: not a nebulous piece of hope. It's a serious, true, practical,
Speaker 6: tangible piece of hope.
Speaker 4: Well when did this mission? Starret? How long have they
Speaker 4: been planning this?
Speaker 2: Have they been planning this for years? I mean yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like just just think of was it sixty one
Speaker 2: when prison and Kennedy said, you know, we're going to
Speaker 2: go to the moon by the end of the decade,
Speaker 2: And they went to the moon by the end of
Speaker 2: the decade, they didn't have a computer as sophisticated as
Speaker 2: my cell phone right here in my hand, which by
Speaker 2: the way, is partially a product from NASA because it
Speaker 2: has the worst pr And if you look at what
Speaker 2: NASA has done in terms of inventions, medically and everything else,
Speaker 2: I should have had to listen in front of me,
Speaker 2: But they've done. You know, everyone's going, you're spending money, like,
Speaker 2: oh what, I guess there's something going on in the
Speaker 2: Middle East now for two billion dollars a day, this
Speaker 2: project probably costs about four billion I think I don't
Speaker 2: have the exact amount, but look what it's producing. And
Speaker 2: you know, people, the humankind has this this quest to
Speaker 2: go and to go beyond and explore, and this is
Speaker 2: part of that. I mean, we just would love to
Speaker 2: be able to take you know, people up. It's not
Speaker 2: the five minutes from these billionaires that send up and
Speaker 2: you know that what is that. This is serious and going,
Speaker 2: you know, going to the moon, hitting the dark side
Speaker 2: of the moon, losing you know, communication for forty minutes.
Speaker 2: They go, they ask the guys, what did you do?
Speaker 2: And and the Canadian guy brought some maple cookies from Canada,
Speaker 2: they go, we ate the maple cookies.
Speaker 4: I mean, tell me, wasn't Jewish?
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: Well, I couldn't eat the cookies if he was well
Speaker 4: pass over, Okay.
Speaker 2: I give him dispensation. If they are to eat whatever
Speaker 2: they want. They they got, they got the rabbis going, no,
Speaker 2: no problem. And then and then they had you know
Speaker 2: the moment where they named crater uh so moving and
Speaker 2: after the wife arrow barrel and it's that they were
Speaker 2: in tears and and and they and they hugged each other.
Speaker 7: In a they've all been family for all these years
Speaker 7: that they were working together. Yeah, in close contact. But
Speaker 7: I have a question.
Speaker 8: Uh uh.
Speaker 7: The NASA has invented there's a lot of things that
Speaker 7: you know is due to space space travel. But if
Speaker 7: they took that money and they were working on those projects,
Speaker 7: would they have come up with any solution any of
Speaker 7: the products that they have now if they were working
Speaker 7: in different areas, not necessarily going into the moon.
Speaker 2: The project makes you, do you know it? When you
Speaker 2: have something like this, the amount of people on it,
Speaker 2: the amount of scientists, engineers, tech people, they're always inventing,
Speaker 2: Like my uncle on the lunar module, which is up
Speaker 2: there still because it stays there. The module goes off
Speaker 2: with the lamb, the base stays on the moon. So
Speaker 2: there's bases on the Moon from the modules from all
Speaker 2: the previous you know, the Moon missions. And he developed
Speaker 2: the bottom part of the lamb. It comes out and
Speaker 2: it goes on and there's legs. There's legs. But they
Speaker 2: needed to develop big pods on the bottom of those
Speaker 2: legs for the landings, so it would be a soft
Speaker 2: land it wouldn't be a hard landing. And he was
Speaker 2: a sub contractor for Grumming and he worked on the
Speaker 2: Apollo project. And the various engineers engraved on one of
Speaker 2: the pods their names. Okay, so if this is true,
Speaker 2: which I don't think, my uncle would lie, nor would
Speaker 2: any of the engineers lie. I mean, I don't think
Speaker 2: back in the day I was a little young there.
Speaker 2: This is all true. My uncle's name is on the
Speaker 2: moon read Uncle Duke, we called him. And so there's
Speaker 2: like this science part of my family with the music
Speaker 2: part of my family. So that's that's the theme. So
Speaker 2: that's the theme. But anyway, it's you know the practicalness
Speaker 2: of when you're working on projects like this, like the
Speaker 2: problem that they had. The biggest problem they had was
Speaker 2: the toilet on this mission so far, you know, things
Speaker 2: simple like that. To me, I would have asked for
Speaker 2: a Japanese engineer on that because they make the best
Speaker 2: toilets in the world. It's like, you know, this is international,
Speaker 2: this is you're dealing with, not just you know, American
Speaker 2: tech people and engineers. This is all over the this
Speaker 2: is a global thing. This is not just And then
Speaker 2: they have you know, bases and places all over the world.
Speaker 2: And so it is true, you know, and the crew
Speaker 2: is true, is diverse, is very diverse. I mean the
Speaker 2: first woman, I mean yeah, baby, and a lot of
Speaker 2: the mission controllers are women now. And of course it's
Speaker 2: just something. But anyway, if anyone is you know, wants
Speaker 2: to check that out, go to the NESSA website and
Speaker 2: you can see, you know, up close and personal what's
Speaker 2: going on. It's pretty amazing.
Speaker 6: So but that reminded me of something somebody wrote on
Speaker 6: threads today. I don't know who they were, but it
Speaker 6: was a really compelling She's called Motherhood for Good and
Speaker 6: she was writing about the mission and she said she's
Speaker 6: talking about the women that are on board the mission,
Speaker 6: and she says Artemis is Apollo's twin sister, Goddess of
Speaker 6: the Moon, a hunter like her twin brother, but also
Speaker 6: a steward of the wildness. She is also known as
Speaker 6: the protector of women and children, the Goddess of childbirth.
Speaker 6: And so it seems fitting that this mission carries with
Speaker 6: it the first woman to travel this far from Earth,
Speaker 6: the first person of color, the first non American. The
Speaker 6: spacecraft carrying them on this historic journey is called the Integrity.
Speaker 6: Maybe I'm reaching or hearing what I want to hear,
Speaker 6: but to me, this is a new beginning.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's amazing. And also, you know decades ago
Speaker 2: that they did a movie about the black women, you know,
Speaker 2: Catherine Johnson and others who got got this going. You
Speaker 2: know literally was they were doing math, you know, on
Speaker 2: chalkboards into the middle of the night.
Speaker 4: That was. That was a great movie, you know.
Speaker 2: And now again we have these phones that you can
Speaker 2: ask a question, it's going to answer. The only thing
Speaker 2: I worry about is AI right now with all of this.
Speaker 2: And also, you know when you said music creation, I
Speaker 2: was worried about. I'm worried about that because they're now
Speaker 2: one of the labels has an AI, you know, component
Speaker 2: to it, and it's a music, it's AI developed music.
Speaker 2: And I just mm hmm, Hannah, I'm binder who's in hacks.
Speaker 2: You know, she did a whole thing, and she said,
Speaker 2: you know, I f you guys who are doing this.
Speaker 2: You know, because she goes, you need creativity, you need talent,
Speaker 2: you need you need the human brain.
Speaker 7: Do we if you're combined to AI gave the machine
Speaker 7: all the information about all the great musicians in the world,
Speaker 7: all the great writers in the world, and combine them,
Speaker 7: could they come up with something creative?
Speaker 2: But then you're taking from all those artists.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 4: The question is if they can, would that be? Would
Speaker 4: that would they be able to create?
Speaker 6: They well, if they are, they're still taking they still
Speaker 6: have to take the various components.
Speaker 3: In fact, I'm involved, they're not creating.
Speaker 6: There's a big lawsuit by authors right now against AI
Speaker 6: who stole our work to use to train AI to
Speaker 6: write like other authors. They can't train that AI unless
Speaker 6: they take something skilled and feed it into it. So
Speaker 6: what they did without permission was fed hundreds of thousands
Speaker 6: of books into their systems.
Speaker 7: So now as an individual, we do that. As an individual,
Speaker 7: you listen to music, you know the music, and then
Speaker 7: you created by the things that you've learned from other musicians.
Speaker 3: Right, But if I took your words.
Speaker 2: And that's your melody, which is copywritten, then you're you're then.
Speaker 6: I was saying, it's not just saying you're using it
Speaker 6: for the underlying ability to do so, But.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 6: I think it's a different. One is a sort of
Speaker 6: osmosis of being human, and the other one is training
Speaker 6: to take it away from the human and using it
Speaker 6: to do so. Those feel somehow very different. And right
Speaker 6: now there's a successful suit for taking those works, and
Speaker 6: there's already a settlement on the table worth I think
Speaker 6: the number is like one point five billion, Not that
Speaker 6: any of us authors see much of it, because there's
Speaker 6: so many of us. But still to take those words,
Speaker 6: feed them in and say, if you want to write
Speaker 6: a story about two humorous kids at the Great Pacific
Speaker 6: garbage Patch, here take Gaye Hollers in his book. This
Speaker 6: is how you would create that story. They may not
Speaker 6: be directly stealing every word I wrote, but they're using
Speaker 6: every word I wrote in order for them to reshape
Speaker 6: it into their own. Right.
Speaker 7: But if you're an author you get ideas from other
Speaker 7: books that have been written, and you see other styles
Speaker 7: that have been written. Now, instead of feeding this into
Speaker 7: you as an author, it's feeding. It's fed into a machine.
Speaker 7: I think there's there's a lot of questions in there.
Speaker 3: Ye, I think human nature.
Speaker 6: But humans work differently. You could say that about everything,
Speaker 6: but humans work differently. What we're able to assimilate into
Speaker 6: our worldview is always going to be taken from the
Speaker 6: things around us. But it's not a methodical lifting, stealing, feeding,
Speaker 6: and spitting out.
Speaker 4: Which technology is it.
Speaker 2: I'll give you example quickly if I can. There's a
Speaker 2: song called My Sweet Lord.
Speaker 3: I remember this.
Speaker 2: It is probably the first thing you'll hear in your
Speaker 2: intellectual property class. I told this to my son when
Speaker 2: he was in law school. I said, the first case
Speaker 2: you going to hear an intellectual property right is Brightoons music,
Speaker 2: which is my company versus Harris songs. Okay, he didn't
Speaker 2: quite believe me until the first day in class. He
Speaker 2: gets that teacher, professor, and he gets the case. It's
Speaker 2: on the black point and he's squirming in his seat
Speaker 2: and the the professor goes, you know, young Ruber, what
Speaker 2: are you doing? You know you know, sit still, and
Speaker 2: he goes, you don't know, you don't know. My mom
Speaker 2: said I was going to get this and and this
Speaker 2: is my mom and my uncle's company, Brighton's Music, And
Speaker 2: he goes, Brightons Music. It's your family's company. And it's
Speaker 2: like the quintessential you know copyright case that they use
Speaker 2: in all like copy it's always cited. You know that
Speaker 2: as a lawyer, and all the copyright cases, infringement cases,
Speaker 2: and that's us. And when I went to the library
Speaker 2: at Congress and saw it on the wall, it even
Speaker 2: freaked me out even more because there was also a
Speaker 2: picture of the Chiffons in there, you know, because they
Speaker 2: did he's you know, he's so fine, My sweet lord,
Speaker 2: he's so fine. So it's it's just when I saw
Speaker 2: that is it's in the library of Congress, you know,
Speaker 2: to me, I was like freaking out. But that's but
Speaker 2: they if they took that, they took many bars of
Speaker 2: that song. I don't think he did it consciously, George,
Speaker 2: because he was listening to the music. Because they put
Speaker 2: out a song called the King of Fuh which was
Speaker 2: originally Beat Puppy Records, And this is a song that
Speaker 2: they should have now out the mighty f king we
Speaker 2: played on a Hutchson River Radio O'Neil because it's spelled
Speaker 2: f U h K I n G. So you got that.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I can't say it on the air, but
Speaker 2: I guess I don't know on the internet you can
Speaker 2: say that. I mean, they won't clear it off.
Speaker 7: But I think one of the things that are present
Speaker 7: is doing answer. He's making language that we always toward
Speaker 7: our kids you can't use, and now we can't tetch
Speaker 7: them that now. Now, yeah, they could say, well the
Speaker 7: president says that, why can't I use it? And what
Speaker 7: do you answer?
Speaker 2: Is he your president? Because he ain't mine? And we
Speaker 2: just hit the brake. So we're gonna have the time.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to. Yeah, I'm glad we got off
Speaker 2: of his thanks Neil, because I was about to use
Speaker 2: the actual word, but I didn't. We'll be back in
Speaker 2: a flash with gay Polis and to talk about more
Speaker 2: things that are happening currently and what we need to
Speaker 2: do to get things. Maybe I don't know, No Kings,
Speaker 2: is that protest gonna work? We'll see anyway, Please come
Speaker 2: back after these quick messages. Hudson River Radio dot com.
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Speaker 1: Hudson River Radio dot This is Hudson River Radio dot com.
Speaker 2: And we are back with Gaye Paulisner. We were talking
Speaker 2: about the our our Artemis mission and and things we
Speaker 2: really should like think about that we need to do
Speaker 2: also to to either fight backward do something we all
Speaker 2: feel helpless. You said before we started the show that
Speaker 2: you weren't even sure you know that you were in
Speaker 2: the mindset to do, you know, do the podcast today
Speaker 2: because of how you were feeling about what's going on.
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, people put their head in the
Speaker 2: send a lot of people, at least almost the third
Speaker 2: of the people, and then there's the third of us
Speaker 2: whose brains are melting, and then there's the third of
Speaker 2: the you know, the cult. I'll say that to be nice,
Speaker 2: and you know, what can we do? You know what
Speaker 2: can we do? And one of the things we did
Speaker 2: recently was the No King's Day and uh, there the
Speaker 2: numbers aren't completely out, but it was over eight million,
Speaker 2: close to nine which made it a million more than
Speaker 2: the previous one which was seven And there were every
Speaker 2: state and smaller towns and red towns, and yet we
Speaker 2: have this this regime in the White House. Now that
Speaker 2: does not care about the American people. They care about power.
Speaker 2: They care about money.
Speaker 3: Money.
Speaker 2: That's you know, that's a shade of green, right, Yes, money, money,
Speaker 2: money at least, you know. And if I get one
Speaker 2: of those dollars, one of those bills with his signature,
Speaker 2: I'm going to rip them. I'm going to burn it.
Speaker 4: If I rip it up.
Speaker 7: And if you go to the bank and they give
Speaker 7: you one of those that's an one hundred dollar bill,
Speaker 7: can you say, excuse me, I don't I don't want
Speaker 7: this one?
Speaker 2: I could.
Speaker 8: Then?
Speaker 2: Will that caught me off?
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 2: I what I would I burned the hundred I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't think so for me.
Speaker 7: I don't think I burned the money. But I think
Speaker 7: I could say, no, I don't want this, give it
Speaker 7: to me in twenties, you know.
Speaker 2: You know, well, I don't know. That's the that's the
Speaker 2: craziest thing too. But but okay, what do you what
Speaker 2: do you feel about you know, the protesting you said
Speaker 2: you know you were going to go out. What what
Speaker 2: do you think that impact is having an impact?
Speaker 6: I think, like so many things, the answer to that
Speaker 6: is complicated, complex, not simple, and also one of the
Speaker 6: mistakes that we on the left are making, which is
Speaker 6: to judge whether something's valuable or not very in the
Speaker 6: black and white, and then dismiss it if we deem
Speaker 6: it not valuable, versus say, hey, that was great, and
Speaker 6: what will we do next. I think that the protests
Speaker 6: have been inspiring, have kept people going, have helped people
Speaker 6: to see how many people we have who feel the
Speaker 6: way we do and are willing to give up a
Speaker 6: day to.
Speaker 3: Go do something.
Speaker 6: And I think that one of the biggest problems with
Speaker 6: these protests is that one day here and there won't
Speaker 6: do it.
Speaker 3: We really need to.
Speaker 6: Take to the streets and stay in the streets and
Speaker 6: shut everything down. We're in the streets, and it's easy
Speaker 6: to see how difficult that is. And I think that
Speaker 6: one of the things I'm realizing, because if you watch
Speaker 6: a smaller country do it, the people take to the streets,
Speaker 6: they stay in the streets there there day and night.
Speaker 6: They don't leave the streets for periods of weeks until
Speaker 6: something gives.
Speaker 3: And in the beginning of this regime, I was.
Speaker 6: Constantly saying, why aren't we doing it, Why aren't we
Speaker 6: doing it?
Speaker 3: Why aren't we doing it?
Speaker 6: But one of the things I don't think I was
Speaker 6: taking into consideration is how large a country we are.
Speaker 4: And well, it's not the largeness of the country, it's.
Speaker 3: Well it's read out. Well that too, I get.
Speaker 6: That was my next That was the second half agreed,
Speaker 6: the second half of the sentences. But number one, how long,
Speaker 6: marge and spread out we are is a problem because
Speaker 6: if you took those eight million and you put them
Speaker 6: all in one place, the momentum might be different, it
Speaker 6: might feel differently, it might be more sustainable. But when
Speaker 6: you have instead these kind of pockets of things where
Speaker 6: it's easy to walk away and say, okay, I got
Speaker 6: to get back to regular things, and it doesn't seem
Speaker 6: to amount to enough.
Speaker 3: I think the how.
Speaker 6: Large and spread out, And then you bring in the diversity,
Speaker 6: and I think that our diversity has become incredibly challenging
Speaker 6: in that even amongst ourselves, whatever your self is, we
Speaker 6: have become split on so many things, and that we
Speaker 6: have lost sight of the fact that unlike some of
Speaker 6: the other countries we look to and see the things
Speaker 6: that they're doing, they don't have the kind of diversity
Speaker 6: we have, so they don't have the amount of complexity
Speaker 6: we have and what we've ended up doing here is
Speaker 6: kind of taken on these impossible standards for everything, and
Speaker 6: it also makes it hard to maintain these actions.
Speaker 3: And our immediate.
Speaker 6: Way of functioning right now seems to be to tear
Speaker 6: down instead of build up. And so one of the
Speaker 6: things I'm trying to model is one human being with
Speaker 6: a small platform combined of maybe five thousand people between
Speaker 6: my various you know, it's not big, but the people
Speaker 6: who know me through my books for a long time
Speaker 6: and then through my activism seem to care what I
Speaker 6: have to say, and it seems to motivate them. And
Speaker 6: one of the things that I try to bring to
Speaker 6: the table is that everything is not in either or situation.
Speaker 6: You can speak out against this while not hating everybody.
Speaker 6: You can speak out against this while not trying to
Speaker 6: destroy or tear it down.
Speaker 2: It's tough. It's tough to figure out though, as a
Speaker 2: person when you want to do something and you want
Speaker 2: to find like people, like minded people, but sometimes like
Speaker 2: minded people don't look as what you said. On the
Speaker 2: other side of the coin, you know, they're they're they're
Speaker 2: planted in what they believe, and you need to kind
Speaker 2: of look look around. You know that you know people,
Speaker 2: you know, if you don't look around, you're going to
Speaker 2: miss it. That's Ferris Bueller. You know, you know you
Speaker 2: got to take a look at life, and if you
Speaker 2: don't look around sometimes you're going to miss it. And
Speaker 2: things I think get lost in translation in a way,
Speaker 2: and that you know, people are The good part is
Speaker 2: that there are like minded people and we all feel
Speaker 2: the same way. And the question is how do we
Speaker 2: get how do we get to where we want to go?
Speaker 6: And how do you think about one of the things
Speaker 6: that I'm thinking as you say that, And it is
Speaker 6: not in small part influenced by the fact that my
Speaker 6: sister is a very practicing Buddhist and she's a Buddhist teacher,
Speaker 6: and I've been going to her teachings on a regular
Speaker 6: basis as a completely a religious but very spiritual.
Speaker 3: Human being, whatever that means.
Speaker 6: And when Buddhists and we were talking about the Walk
Speaker 6: for Peace and how moving all of that was. When
Speaker 6: Buddhists talk about their mind, you were just saying, you know,
Speaker 6: like minded. When Buddhists talk about their mind, it's not here,
Speaker 6: it's here. And I think that one of the I'm
Speaker 6: pointing to my heart for people who can't see me,
Speaker 6: my chest, my heart, where my heart lives. And I
Speaker 6: think that one of the things we really need to
Speaker 6: do is to stop worrying about if we're perfect like minded,
Speaker 6: and worry about whether we're perfectly like hearted, and that
Speaker 6: is that all human beings have a right to exist.
Speaker 6: They have a right to safety, they have a right
Speaker 6: to peace, they have a right to happiness if they
Speaker 6: can find that, they have a right to be safe
Speaker 6: in their own homes. You know, there are some very
Speaker 6: basic things we can all agree on. And I think
Speaker 6: that one of the things this regime has done, being
Speaker 6: ten years in office or still in the psyche of
Speaker 6: what's going on, is convince us that we're not like hearted.
Speaker 3: But we are. So many of us are like hearted.
Speaker 6: We might be misguided, we might be ignorant, but most
Speaker 6: of us, the majority of us, want the same thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want your kids to be safe, you want
Speaker 2: to have a roof over your head, you want to
Speaker 2: have food. I mean, right now, the liveability, the affordability
Speaker 2: is we're paying you know. I know in La Malcolm,
Speaker 2: I don't know what. The guess is always higher there, but.
Speaker 3: We're six dollars.
Speaker 7: Yes, it's close to six dollars. It's like about five
Speaker 7: to eighty right. Well here with cash not credit cards.
Speaker 2: Here it's over four dollars. It's it's over four dollars
Speaker 2: a gallon now and when I'm getting gas and becausen't
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 8: Before this debacle in Iran taking things philosophical, we were
Speaker 8: never I mean, first of all, we're still an experiment.
Speaker 7: You know, we're going to be two hundred and fifty years.
Speaker 7: That is nothing in comparison to Iran or a lot
Speaker 7: of other countries. I mean, who've been around you know,
Speaker 7: thousands of year, thousands of years, but have been around
Speaker 7: many more reas than we are. And also technology that
Speaker 7: we can destroy ourselves. Now, this was made you know
Speaker 7: when I was in high school and they had the
Speaker 7: Adam bomb, the atomic bomb.
Speaker 4: H this was a big bomb.
Speaker 7: Now that's that's nothing in comparison what we could do
Speaker 7: now and destroy ourselves. I don't know if you've ever
Speaker 7: seen this movie King of Hearts with Alan Bates. King
Speaker 7: of Horse takes place in World War World War One
Speaker 7: and there's a village in France that the English troops
Speaker 7: are liberating, but they're not sure whether the nazis nothing.
Speaker 7: The Germans have left, so they send Alan Bates into
Speaker 7: a look at there. In the meantime, the Germans have left,
Speaker 7: but they let the doors of the insane asylum open.
Speaker 2: All the people were nuts and it's about right here now.
Speaker 7: And they inhabited the town. But that you know, they
Speaker 7: were not violent nuts. They were fun nuts.
Speaker 2: And and and then sometimes you feel like a nuts.
Speaker 7: Sometimes when Alan Bates comes into the town, they think
Speaker 7: he's the king of hearts, and then you know, they
Speaker 7: make him the king, and then the Germans are and
Speaker 7: then he goes back to his troops and says, you know,
Speaker 7: they're out of town. Then the Germans come back, and
Speaker 7: the Germans and the English troops look at each other
Speaker 7: and they all get in the line ready and fire,
Speaker 7: and they all shoot each other.
Speaker 2: Oh fabulous.
Speaker 7: Wait and and the people in the asylum see this
Speaker 7: and they say, no, we don't want this, and they
Speaker 7: take a fold their costumes and go back into the asylum,
Speaker 7: which they think is outside. And then the end you see,
Speaker 7: you see Alan Bates naked, you know what, we see
Speaker 7: his butt and he's carrying a bird cage and he's ringing,
Speaker 7: and he's ringing the asylum because he wants to get
Speaker 7: in because the world is crazy.
Speaker 4: That's what I feel happening now. The world is crazy.
Speaker 2: It is crazy, and you want to go back to
Speaker 2: see the asylum.
Speaker 4: Didn't see that destroy the world?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean these people have the nuclear codes. You know,
Speaker 2: that's scared a living crap.
Speaker 7: Well, that one person then has the nuclear code. I
Speaker 7: don't know what would happen if he decides to do that.
Speaker 2: Say goodbye to Hollywood where.
Speaker 4: Anyone would stop him?
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know. I don't think, I don't know.
Speaker 2: No one seems to be able to stop him.
Speaker 6: So that's that's a so far we seemed to talk
Speaker 6: about stopping him. Every time I see one of our
Speaker 6: politicians saying like, we're we were considering, I'm like, how
Speaker 6: long you're going to consider before taking action?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Especially well the general is what I think he's fired
Speaker 7: four generals in the last four months.
Speaker 2: No, who's like twelve? Much more? No, it's more than
Speaker 2: three four months, it's a dozen already.
Speaker 6: I want to take you back to one of back
Speaker 6: to Artemis for a second, because I think it's one
Speaker 6: of the reasons why Artemis is so important is when
Speaker 6: my kids were home for the pandemic and we were
Speaker 6: at the middle end of you know who's regime, and
Speaker 6: I was out protesting every week, and it was all
Speaker 6: I was talking about and.
Speaker 3: My sons.
Speaker 6: One of my sons, I think my younger son said
Speaker 6: to me, you know, kind of said to me, there's
Speaker 6: got to be another side to you. There's got to
Speaker 6: be He didn't say exactly this, but he was kind
Speaker 6: of like, we admire all you're doing. It's great what
Speaker 6: you're doing, but it's kind of the only thing you're doing.
Speaker 6: And from an adult perspective, you might have thoughts about that.
Speaker 6: But from a kid's perspective, especially forget my son now,
Speaker 6: but the children in grade school and middle school and
Speaker 6: high school, from their perspectives, they have been living through
Speaker 6: this so long. It's all they know and it's all
Speaker 6: they see, and it's in their faces. And it is
Speaker 6: why something like this mission, like the Olympics, like the
Speaker 6: people who do smallly heroic things, is so freaking important
Speaker 6: because it gives us a collective look how hard it
Speaker 6: is for us to not go there, right before the
Speaker 6: podcast we say like, okay, we can't talk about this,
Speaker 6: but it has permeated understandably everything we do. So to
Speaker 6: have something of significant value, of historic value, like this
Speaker 6: space mission gives them something to hold on to, some
Speaker 6: a shared shared humanity to talk about that's not negative humanity,
Speaker 6: that's not the loss of humanity, but actually allows them
Speaker 6: to see the beautiful side of humanity.
Speaker 2: And this is I mean from this whole mission so far.
Speaker 2: I'm just you know, pray for the safety of the
Speaker 2: crew there and everything goes well on their reentry. But
Speaker 2: what they have accomplished is amazing. Again, it took fifty
Speaker 2: four years to do this, and uh, you know after
Speaker 2: you know, after the the Shuttle that you know, blew up.
Speaker 2: It just that NASA program just that was that it was.
Speaker 2: It was gone for a long time. And then you
Speaker 2: got SpaceX and you got virgin and you got Bezos.
Speaker 2: You know, uh with his penis looking rockets, I mean,
Speaker 2: look at his rockets. You can see what that is. Yes,
Speaker 2: and and and and and you know, and the and
Speaker 2: then we didn't even touch billionaires in their effect on
Speaker 2: what's happening. Any No, No, I don't believe it does
Speaker 2: don't totally quote me, but from what I'm reading, it's
Speaker 2: NASA and Boeing and and it's the NASA, you know,
Speaker 2: all all the engineers and technology people and and it's
Speaker 2: to do this is amazing. It's something.
Speaker 6: It really is magical. It's actually magical. It's actually the
Speaker 6: magic that is missing.
Speaker 4: I was watching the launching and it's, oh my god,
Speaker 4: that they put that thing up.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I saw that the apollos were the Saturn
Speaker 2: five rockets, which I think this is even more powerful.
Speaker 2: But when I was there in the viewing area, the earth,
Speaker 2: you know the song, I feel the earth move under
Speaker 2: my feet. The earth know, Carol King hit it right,
Speaker 2: you know, the earth was moving under my feet and
Speaker 2: everyone else's and it would just rumbled through. I had
Speaker 2: never felt an earthquake before until my family moved to
Speaker 2: l A, and then I felt many.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I felt the earthquake right.
Speaker 2: But but but the rumble and the way it goes
Speaker 2: up and you're tracking it and just tracking, and then
Speaker 2: when the second part of it comes off, it trails
Speaker 2: down falls into the ocean, and then you know, like more,
Speaker 2: they're on their way and they're going to be you know, hitting.
Speaker 4: Going into the.
Speaker 7: Amazing that they can contact the people in the spaceship
Speaker 7: and talk to them. And the only time they couldn't
Speaker 7: talk to them when they were in the dark side of.
Speaker 2: The morning, the dark side of the moon, and and
Speaker 2: and I could. And what they saw, I mean, no
Speaker 2: one else has seen. And they have to be the
Speaker 2: ones explaining it. They are the storytellers. Not only they
Speaker 2: are an incredible you know, crew with amazing abilities, but
Speaker 2: to be able to see that and then can be
Speaker 2: reporting reporting back and pictures and such. Uh, it's just
Speaker 2: you know, and what.
Speaker 7: They still have that pressure when they when the rocket
Speaker 7: takes off. They don't talk about that anymore.
Speaker 2: The G force is insane and they.
Speaker 7: Don't talk I don't think I've heard them talk about
Speaker 7: that anymore. Used to be the one of the main topics.
Speaker 2: And say the G force and have that pressure on you,
Speaker 2: I mean they they have. I'm sure there's still plenty.
Speaker 2: I mean that look what you're sitting on top of.
Speaker 2: It's this small capsule sitting on a huge rocket. You know,
Speaker 2: it's you know, rocket man, it's still it's a rocket.
Speaker 2: And uh, it's it's just to see it into and
Speaker 2: then you know, and they said, like four hundred thousand
Speaker 2: people in the vicinity were watching this, and they would
Speaker 2: be in Titusville and Cocoa Beach, you know, and Daytona.
Speaker 2: You know, you can see it from all those spots.
Speaker 2: I was lucky enough again to be able to through
Speaker 2: my uncle who got us these passes, to be in
Speaker 2: on the ground itself in the area.
Speaker 6: You know, what I was thinking would be a cool thing.
Speaker 6: You forgive me if I'm throwing out like a ridiculous idea,
Speaker 6: but I was thinking as you're talking, I'm just thinking
Speaker 6: about what I was saying and what you're saying, and
Speaker 6: the fact that our kids so desperately need this hope
Speaker 6: and magic and miracle to hang on to. In that
Speaker 6: in addition to you know, the adults that have been
Speaker 6: watching it probably in classrooms around the country. Yeah, that's
Speaker 6: what The teachers are, fabulous educators who you know, do
Speaker 6: everything they do, are doing in these classrooms, and I
Speaker 6: was thinking it would be really cool to have a
Speaker 6: classroom teacher and their kids on and let them talk
Speaker 6: about what they got out of watching this space mission
Speaker 6: and how it helps their world view and what they
Speaker 6: learn from it. Because I think somewhere along the line,
Speaker 6: we have to keep steering these kids towards that space
Speaker 6: and magic and spirituality that comes with watching something like that.
Speaker 6: I don't mean religious spirituality. I mean it's something bigger
Speaker 6: than yourself.
Speaker 2: My spirituality is in the same the same spot as yours.
Speaker 3: But I was thinking of it just like that.
Speaker 2: That would be.
Speaker 3: Yes, I do, Yes, I do because of my books.
Speaker 2: Well, let's let's maybe get together and have to be
Speaker 2: sooner rather than later. And they had some kids asking
Speaker 2: questions to the NASA people, and they were then giving
Speaker 2: those questions to the astronauts and they and one of
Speaker 2: the kids like basically said, if there's an emergency and
Speaker 2: you have to do CPR in space, how do you
Speaker 2: do it? This is a kid thinking this like this
Speaker 2: is a question. Yeah, uh, And I think it was Hansen.
Speaker 2: I don't know which it was Hansen or Wiseman. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure or they They did that this is how
Speaker 2: they would do it, because they they're floating in space, right,
Speaker 2: So how do you get yourself in a position to
Speaker 2: keep yourself still, you know, and keep the person still?
Speaker 2: And they said that they had to back up into things,
Speaker 2: you know, to put themselves against stuff in this small little.
Speaker 2: It's like two minivans traveling in space and they were
Speaker 2: able to pump you know and show the kid, you
Speaker 2: know what that they would do, and you know, just
Speaker 2: stuff stuff like that, I mean, and what they're thinking about,
Speaker 2: you know. So yeah, it would be great to have
Speaker 2: some some kids.
Speaker 4: And simple thing.
Speaker 6: How do you go to the bathroom without yes, I all, yeah,
Speaker 6: that's the first kid question and usually the second adult question.
Speaker 2: Right, Well that's yeah, well that's that's the bathroom. The
Speaker 2: toilet wasn't working.
Speaker 4: Right, you know, there's no gravity there, so you know,
Speaker 4: it doesn't they.
Speaker 2: Had they had a resort to they had to resort
Speaker 2: to bags again. But it's uh, it's it's something else
Speaker 2: to just think about. Again. If there's any Japanese engineers
Speaker 2: out there, helps out.
Speaker 4: Uh always say, don't want to get close to the
Speaker 4: astronauts when they come off till the shower.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they do get to wash around or something.
Speaker 2: I mean, and then the big thing used to be tanged,
Speaker 2: but now it's uh, it's nutella. I mean, you talk
Speaker 2: about an ad campaign that they don't have to do anything.
Speaker 2: They get permission to show the astronauts sending nutella through
Speaker 2: gravity and the other one atching it. You know, I
Speaker 2: want this, But that was to me that was very
Speaker 2: funny that, you know, of all the things that they
Speaker 2: showed and focused on, it was they liked nutel office.
Speaker 2: It's okay that nothing. Apparently this is free ads. They
Speaker 2: should Their next ad should just be you know the guys.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so, I mean, I think we're getting to
Speaker 2: the rap here. What I never asked your shade of green? Quickly?
Speaker 2: I know it's at the end. I usually do it
Speaker 2: in the beginning. Do you have a shade of green
Speaker 2: today that we have to get out? I never I
Speaker 2: didn't ask that question, which is usually my front question.
Speaker 3: And I forgot to think about that.
Speaker 2: Today's a bad question. It's okay.
Speaker 6: I'm going to give you a very practical shade of green, sure,
Speaker 6: which is I have been very into the color green
Speaker 6: in my art, which is funny because as a kid,
Speaker 6: I didn't like the color green, but I especially like
Speaker 6: sort of a spring right right right, but the green.
Speaker 6: And when we hang up, there was no protest near me,
Speaker 6: and I just felt like I couldn't stay in the
Speaker 6: house today the whole day and go about business as usual.
Speaker 6: So I put out a call on my Facebook page
Speaker 6: that at six o'clock Eastern time, I'm just going to
Speaker 6: go out to the usual spot in my town where
Speaker 6: we usually protest and stand there with a sign that
Speaker 6: says peace, and I'm going to make wishes for the
Speaker 6: world and for the people and Iran that I know
Speaker 6: and the people in our country who are suffering that
Speaker 6: I know. And that sign is primarily green. So there's
Speaker 6: a very practical answer for you in terms of the
Speaker 6: lettering on the sign.
Speaker 2: Now, we got some green at the piece. We like
Speaker 2: to keep that. And where can people get information? You
Speaker 2: have so many books? We didn't we only mentioned one
Speaker 2: or no. That's okay, but next time we'll do more
Speaker 2: on the books. But where can they get hold of you?
Speaker 6: They can find me on social media at gay Paul
Speaker 6: g A E p O L. They can find me
Speaker 6: my books. Wherever our books are sold online, they can
Speaker 6: find me through you.
Speaker 2: It's it's at g A G A O L g
Speaker 2: A p O L.
Speaker 3: So I'll use that in my all my social media
Speaker 3: there right right, Okay.
Speaker 2: All right, well, you are an amazing person and and
Speaker 2: I just love to have you on and there's so
Speaker 2: much to talk about. There's so much going on in
Speaker 2: the world. And and I hope that cooler heads. No,
Speaker 2: I I just giving it. Think he gives an eight
Speaker 2: o'clock dead. I mean, I just people are nervous at
Speaker 2: eight o'clock. It's like something's going to explode, you know. Uh.
Speaker 2: And you know we both have kids, and you know
Speaker 2: we're just nervous wreck, you know, and nervous wreck at
Speaker 2: this point. I mean, I just I try to be
Speaker 2: calm in uh. You know, music is what makes me calm.
Speaker 3: And this this space, some of that beautiful music. It's
Speaker 3: still Sonny out, go outside.
Speaker 2: I'll take the dog out again. It's pretty windy, but
Speaker 2: it's okay. Uh. And yeah, it's just you know, you
Speaker 2: have to have your health. You know, I had a
Speaker 2: little health issue, but okay, so far I'm not going
Speaker 2: on the wood and and that's that's it. So all right.
Speaker 2: Go find Gay at Gay Paul the a E. P O.
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Speaker 2: and check out her books. Check out all the great
Speaker 2: things she's doing. Get activate yourself. People, do what you can,
Speaker 2: whatever you can, as small as it is, whatever it is.
Speaker 6: Putting kindness out into the world is something, it really is.
Speaker 6: I hugged a stranger in a parking lot the other
Speaker 6: day and it changed my whole day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just do do things. Acts of kindness are important
Speaker 2: now because right now there's a there was a song
Speaker 2: Goodbye True World, Bye Crew Worll. I'm off to join us,
Speaker 2: go gonna be a brokenhearted coom. I remember that I
Speaker 2: remember all these crazy songs because I grew up in
Speaker 2: a house of music that played all these crazy songs.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so we're gonna, we're gonna peace out right now,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna say thanks for joining us. For the
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Speaker 2: Malcolm gives us the move he has all the movies
Speaker 2: in the back of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love that he knows all these movies from from
Speaker 2: He goes into his way back machine and brings them out.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Well that was the job that I had with the
Speaker 4: screening old movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 4: That's My favorite is Casablanca.
Speaker 2: Well now we know when I ask you what your
Speaker 2: favorite movie is, what the answer is going to be. Anyway,
Speaker 2: So Picocheted Green, remember to Picocheted Green and raise your
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