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Speaker 2: Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to I on the Ball
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Speaker 2: You're Matthew, and now we have David silver back in
Speaker 2: the studio today. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Dave.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you came back. I'm glad the nil money
Speaker 2: is sufficient enough for you.
Speaker 3: When's when's that supposed to come in sometime? Okay, don't
Speaker 3: quit on me. Okay.
Speaker 2: Like it's happening at one place, I'm sure it's happened
Speaker 2: in others. In fact, to Matt Monno and Troy Hunchinson
Speaker 2: talked about this about a month ago. I almost fell
Speaker 2: on my chair when we talked about it. We're gonna
Speaker 2: have Matt coming in the show later on and talk
Speaker 2: about that. But did it shock you whatever word you
Speaker 2: want to use. But the UNLB kid who left the
Speaker 2: team because he wasn't getting paid, it was like.
Speaker 4: The first thing I saw on the news this morning,
Speaker 4: what they're three, and oh, they're doing pretty well, and
Speaker 4: all of a sudden he's announced he's going somewhere else
Speaker 4: or he's going to leave the program. And I forget
Speaker 4: exactly how it was worded originally. Was he a business
Speaker 4: decision or something like that, But I guess that's the
Speaker 4: way we are living again. I talked about this yesterday
Speaker 4: where things are have definitely switched up a little bit,
Speaker 4: and these guys are business people now and they're supposed
Speaker 4: to be getting deals, and apparently he wasn't getting what
Speaker 4: he expected.
Speaker 2: The players are now running the program, yes, pretty much.
Speaker 2: Even before this, I thought this, and it's what a
Speaker 2: world we live in, right. I guess I'm just reading
Speaker 2: something now that the university in Las Vegas put out
Speaker 2: a statement that what he's saying is not true. There
Speaker 2: was never an agreement between anybody. I think that that's
Speaker 2: what I read yesterday or this morning, where the assistant
Speaker 2: coach promised him the one hundred thousand dollars and it.
Speaker 3: Didn't come through.
Speaker 2: I guess he was thinking three thousand a month, which
Speaker 2: is for student hell is pretty good, but those days
Speaker 2: are wrong gone, so I guess he They issued a statement,
Speaker 2: and I guess some collectives at the school issued some
Speaker 2: statement and now what they're definitely doing is saying we've
Speaker 2: wiped our slate clean from the kid and he's gone,
Speaker 2: you know, just like that. Yeah, So it's not a
Speaker 2: it's not a shock to me having listened to Mett
Speaker 2: what I know and and Troy Hudsonson talking about it
Speaker 2: a while back, because it was surprising to me. And
Speaker 2: before we went on the air, we talked to you
Speaker 2: and I just briefly about the Gundy thing with Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: We're not going to talk an I l because now
Speaker 2: it's my time. I'm the coach, and you'll deal with
Speaker 2: that at the end of the year. And we've seen this.
Speaker 2: We saw this a little with with with Miller Sean
Speaker 2: here because I remember the Wisconsin coach back in the
Speaker 2: day saying we're not going to rent a player the
Speaker 2: one and done's and not that Miller paid or didn't
Speaker 2: pay or whatever, but he was kind of renting players
Speaker 2: right having in here four years.
Speaker 3: So this is the world we're going to live in.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be interesting because you know, you think of
Speaker 4: like the DeAndre Aightens and you know, whatever, the situations
Speaker 4: where there were here. They're seriously, they're here for just
Speaker 4: a few months. Get them through March and then off
Speaker 4: they go. Does the nil money stop at that point? Well,
Speaker 4: you wonder how these deals are worked out.
Speaker 3: Who knows.
Speaker 2: At some point we're going to try to get an
Speaker 2: nil a guy in here. We've had ray Wells in
Speaker 2: a number of times. The question I never asked is
Speaker 2: when do the kids get paid? And I said this
Speaker 2: to Jay last week after the performance of Kansas State.
Speaker 2: What world do you live in where you get paid
Speaker 2: up front and then you do the work and if
Speaker 2: your work sucks, do you get the money back? Probably
Speaker 2: not exactly. So, So if you get paid and I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that's going on, but you get paid and
Speaker 2: you look like crap or what's.
Speaker 3: The motivation to do well?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, then you also look to it. The news
Speaker 4: that came out last week with Reggie Bush from USC
Speaker 4: he's trying to get nil money from.
Speaker 3: Fifteen years ago.
Speaker 2: It's happening here too. He was playing if you maybe
Speaker 2: google Jason Terry and A. J. Brown, they're going back trying.
Speaker 2: They're suing a bit because the a the likeness image
Speaker 2: and likeness from the turn the national Championship ninety seven. Sure,
Speaker 2: because there were photos all over the place, and so
Speaker 2: I think they're suing the n C Double A and
Speaker 2: CBS because those videos were everywhere.
Speaker 4: Of course, so what point's gonna be. That's gonna everybody
Speaker 4: can do that? Yeah, I mean those videos were been
Speaker 4: part of college sports. I'm trying to find my face
Speaker 4: anywhere that was worthwhile. Your citizen pictures were. I know
Speaker 4: my son loved that citizen picture.
Speaker 2: Yeah with Jason Terry. Yeah, yeah, with Jason Terry. Yeah,
Speaker 2: everyone has that. I have that one. But but who knows.
Speaker 2: I mean, good luck with the n with the with
Speaker 2: the n C Double A one and the schools because
Speaker 2: they're gonna probably lose again.
Speaker 4: Right right, I don't know. I mean this is gonna
Speaker 4: be interesting to you know. This is this one guy,
Speaker 4: this kid, Matthew Sluka from un l V.
Speaker 3: Who's next.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's gonna there's obviously gonna be more stories
Speaker 4: like this coming out, uh soon think yeah.
Speaker 2: So here's the UNLB athletics statement. Football player Matthew Shluka
Speaker 2: represented a representative and made financial demands upon the university
Speaker 2: and it's NI NIL collective in order to continue playing
Speaker 2: for unlv you andl athletics and interpreted that demands as
Speaker 2: a violation of the NCAA pay for play rules as
Speaker 2: well as the Nevada state law. Unability does not engage
Speaker 2: in such activity. Yeah, nor does it.
Speaker 3: Respond to threats even so clean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but but that's what it's come to. Hey, I'm
Speaker 2: six and oh can I get a raise? Or or
Speaker 2: what's my money?
Speaker 3: Man? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean you wonder sometimes can they renegotiate in
Speaker 4: the middle of the season, or how to how this works?
Speaker 3: Good? All of a sudden some guy blossoms and he's
Speaker 3: their star.
Speaker 2: We didn't talk about this yesterday, I don't think to
Speaker 2: an extent because you were in the media business. You
Speaker 2: went to the other side to the development for for
Speaker 2: the foundation and then another and we talked a little
Speaker 2: about that. Just the difficulty in like the Lumberto right Lumberto.
Speaker 2: He gets pretty much the kids to stay, quarterback and
Speaker 2: receiver to stay and they're done.
Speaker 3: Well, I need more.
Speaker 4: But he also made a huge gift to the Ler
Speaker 4: College to create a you know, a school there too,
Speaker 4: So he's he's probably not the best example other than
Speaker 4: the fact that he's kind of helping both parts of
Speaker 4: the university and that in that regard, whereas a lot
Speaker 4: I've had other I remember when I was working there,
Speaker 4: there were times where people came to me and they said, listen,
Speaker 4: I'm getting letters from this collective.
Speaker 3: What is that?
Speaker 4: They may not be as close to it as you
Speaker 4: are or who was at that time, so they weren't
Speaker 4: even sure what was going on. If they give money,
Speaker 4: is it going to athletics, is it going to just
Speaker 4: a basketball team or player?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 2: It was confusing, and we've talked about that for the
Speaker 2: collective when they had the Arizona assist one right for
Speaker 2: basketball and because you know, the fans here either they
Speaker 2: love you or they kind of love you, or they
Speaker 2: actually despise you, but mostly they love you or like
Speaker 2: you a little, but they want to see them win.
Speaker 2: And I'm saying, okay, what's your level of love and
Speaker 2: what's your what's your commitment to the team emotionally, financially
Speaker 2: or what if it's financially. I can see the heartache
Speaker 2: when they lose. You can see emotionally, well that's on you.
Speaker 2: You fell in love with this girl and then she
Speaker 2: breaks your heart. Well, whose fault is that? You know?
Speaker 3: So if you're willing to help.
Speaker 2: Give them ten, give them to twenty dollars, give one
Speaker 2: hundred dollars, and then you know the number one question
Speaker 2: is that you probably heard a thousand times, where's the
Speaker 2: money going? Right?
Speaker 3: And how do I know what's going there?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's in the development world. Speaking as a
Speaker 4: former employee there, I mean that was kind of our
Speaker 4: main thing was we had to make sure the money
Speaker 4: was going where the donor wants it to go, whether
Speaker 4: it was to you know, support the golf team or
Speaker 4: to support the journalism apartment. There were there were specifics
Speaker 4: and they would sign an agreement. We would we would
Speaker 4: lay out exactly where things were going to go, and
Speaker 4: that was important.
Speaker 2: Well, so to you guys, Henry and to Matt and
Speaker 2: to Dave. You have this guy, he's quit on you.
Speaker 2: He wanted more money. He was the star quarterback or whatever.
Speaker 2: He came from Holy Cross, so he didn't come from
Speaker 2: like Michigan or whatever. There's three and no in the
Speaker 2: upside Kansas, there's not the team now. He wants to
Speaker 2: go to Team X. You're a Team X.
Speaker 3: Do you want.
Speaker 5: Him if he can win me football games?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: But I'm not gonna not ignore what he's done in
Speaker 5: the past, that quitting on his team after three games,
Speaker 5: that is something you're gonna check. But if he's if
Speaker 5: you're a smaller program and he's the best option you got,
Speaker 5: you're still gonna take it.
Speaker 3: Henry, I mean Matt, Yeah.
Speaker 7: Same as a coach, I'll definitely look at what he
Speaker 7: can add to my team. But to pay him one
Speaker 7: hundred K I don't know coming from.
Speaker 2: And I'm not and I'm not asking that. I'm asking
Speaker 2: as a former player and student here. Now, do you
Speaker 2: want a dude who's playing for you side by side.
Speaker 2: You're the running back, he's the quarterback, and he wants
Speaker 2: more money and you're thinking, dude, we're all.
Speaker 3: In this together.
Speaker 7: No, no, no, I agree with him. I agree. I
Speaker 7: one hundred percent agree with him. As a former player,
Speaker 7: I agree with him because coaches promised you certain things
Speaker 7: and they expect you to deliver on your end. So
Speaker 7: when it's time for them to deliver and they don't
Speaker 7: show up, I personally don't feel like that's fairst.
Speaker 2: Okay, but you're the other coach, You're the other your team,
Speaker 2: the next next coach.
Speaker 5: I also think we have to look at it from
Speaker 5: other players standpoints, they're not gonna want to go to
Speaker 5: UNLV after seeing this.
Speaker 2: That's a great point. That's a great point because you
Speaker 2: know this, both especially Matthew, and we know this. Covering recruits.
Speaker 2: You're promised stuff, right, You're promised playing time or whatever numbers.
Speaker 2: Guess what, most of the time it doesn't happen exactly.
Speaker 2: So yeah, come on, sure, we'll take care of you.
Speaker 2: Don't worry about it.
Speaker 7: And then it's not there, right, So if that happens,
Speaker 7: I feel like the player has every right to do
Speaker 7: what he wants for his personal game.
Speaker 4: Meantime, he's he can't go anywhere until December. The portal
Speaker 4: is closed right now, so he can't. I mean, he's done.
Speaker 4: I wonder if he's going to claw.
Speaker 2: This is just I'm wondering, because he has to continue
Speaker 2: his eligibility and then how how is he going to
Speaker 2: look on campus?
Speaker 3: It looks like.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And he's already been at holy Cross with three years.
Speaker 4: I think he's going to be one of these six
Speaker 4: year players if he wants to go maybe one more
Speaker 4: year someplace else, yeah wow, and get some money there somewhere.
Speaker 4: If he's you know, if he can get even one
Speaker 4: hundred thousand in Vegas, what can he get.
Speaker 3: In a big, big cas Sure? How good is he?
Speaker 2: Well, you saw he's a Holy Cross, which is not
Speaker 2: a football mecca. He's going to UNW which is not
Speaker 2: a football meka.
Speaker 3: So how good is he really?
Speaker 2: He go to Arizona or somewhere else, I guess would
Speaker 2: he'd be a second stream quarterback?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: How much of those one hundred thousand dollars you.
Speaker 3: Get to tell me?
Speaker 2: I don't think so, I don't think so. I'm just
Speaker 2: a little surprised by you, Matthew. I was hopeful that
Speaker 2: you'd say, I'm not sure I want him on my team,
Speaker 2: because he's not.
Speaker 3: He's in it for himself. It's a it's a fellow, Matthew,
Speaker 3: that's why.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, what do you mean a former?
Speaker 3: What do you mean also named Matthews? Okay, okay, Matthew.
Speaker 3: But you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: I feel but I guarantee other players on that team.
Speaker 2: Agree with you. Yeah, I can see it. I can
Speaker 2: see it. But God, here's this dude that we're at
Speaker 2: New Mexico or whatever. That's when it's called I know, uh.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: I want that dude who gave up on some team
Speaker 2: that we're THREEZ and will he give up on us?
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, that's that's that's a question. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: can say that.
Speaker 2: But again, let me ask you a personal question. You
Speaker 2: don't have to answer this. You can give me the
Speaker 2: eye side whatever. It's like being cheated. I was gonna
Speaker 2: ask you, have you been cheated on? And okay, no,
Speaker 2: go ahead, good answer. Let's assume that you had been
Speaker 2: would you would you trust that woman again?
Speaker 3: No? Never?
Speaker 7: Well, what's that? But that's not the same thing. Now,
Speaker 7: that's that's that's far from the same thing.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: So this guy not that he cheated, but he he
Speaker 2: left you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you promised them something and you didn't deliver, and
Speaker 7: that three K is literally what every player on the team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And that's what they're saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what they're saying.
Speaker 2: That he's no different than any of the guy that
Speaker 2: we're promising the same amount of money.
Speaker 7: Right, So I don't know if you promise me something
Speaker 7: he don't deliver. I feel like I have the right
Speaker 7: to do whatever I need to do to get some advantages.
Speaker 2: Dave, I need some sound line in this room.
Speaker 4: I'm just looking at I'm just looking at the big
Speaker 4: picture and all these other remembers. Jaden Rashata got Florida
Speaker 4: and had all this.
Speaker 3: Money he had. Now he goes to Georgia. He's all
Speaker 3: over the place.
Speaker 7: It's like, I offer you a job and tell you
Speaker 7: I'll give you one hundred K for this job, and
Speaker 7: then the job comes and I'm paying you not what
Speaker 7: was on the contract.
Speaker 3: How would you feel.
Speaker 2: I don't need it under I don't need a sensible
Speaker 2: intern here, No, no good example to get me sure
Speaker 2: of course. And the thing about it, there was no contract, right,
Speaker 2: there was no contract.
Speaker 3: But that's most of the time.
Speaker 7: That's kind of how I going.
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, no, no, no, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 3: You know, come here exactly care.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we promised, right, I promised to you forever and
Speaker 2: then you know, oh dude, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Found somebody else. Yeah, I get it. To go with
Speaker 3: my example, Yeah, I don't know. I'm just waiting for
Speaker 3: the next story. Interesting. I guarantee you, I guarantee you.
Speaker 2: I would bet whatever you want, Dave, And I hope
Speaker 2: you're not a gambling man that that this is going
Speaker 2: to be the first straw you're going to see more
Speaker 2: more publicly publicly, and and and and we'll have Matt,
Speaker 2: like I said, and they warned me, Steve. They're kind
Speaker 2: of like, why are you so naive? And I think
Speaker 2: I'm not naive. He says, why do you think there's
Speaker 2: so many transfers at the end of the year.
Speaker 3: This is part of it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, another runner back on the same team did the
Speaker 7: same thing.
Speaker 3: And you want to.
Speaker 7: Before this just right now, like now, oh, just so
Speaker 7: he jumped to just because he wasn't getting paid either.
Speaker 7: So I'm saying, you got to start looking at the
Speaker 7: coaches now. So you're promising players' money and you're not delivering.
Speaker 2: I feel like, hey, yeah, but guess what if it's
Speaker 2: happening there are minute that was quick for it's happening there,
Speaker 2: I guarantee you it's having other place.
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, yes, I mean we heard some of the
Speaker 4: dollars that were being a float around USC during the
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams era.
Speaker 3: You know, well, and we know it's been going on forever, right,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't.
Speaker 4: Know about it that magnitude, but I mean those numbers
Speaker 4: were ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Us c your guy, you guy Bush, Reggie had so
Speaker 2: many things right, you know, what do you mean?
Speaker 3: My parents?
Speaker 4: Not me? Yeah, if I'm not mistaken. You know those
Speaker 4: Heisman commercials that they run, isn't he in them?
Speaker 3: He isn't one.
Speaker 4: I was watching the other night. It's like, wait a second,
Speaker 4: he's already. He's already in the Heisman house. He's already back.
Speaker 3: Give it back.
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Speaker 2: Is Dave Silver Now and if only have Ed Rosberg
Speaker 2: MLB player, longtime player, one of the only how many
Speaker 2: of you guys played in the Little League World Series,
Speaker 2: Collegeural Series and World Series?
Speaker 16: Ed, there's three, There's there's three of us, Michael Conforto
Speaker 16: and I and then Jason Birds. I was the only pitcher,
Speaker 16: and then obviously Jason was a catcher, and then Michael Confordo.
Speaker 16: Obviously he's still playing an altfielder playing with Who's he
Speaker 16: playing with?
Speaker 6: The playing the Diamondbacks right now?
Speaker 3: Right, so it's a giant.
Speaker 6: He's playing with the giants. Who's actually a giant?
Speaker 17: Right now?
Speaker 3: You guys should all get together and take a photo.
Speaker 6: I know, I I've often thought about that.
Speaker 16: I've often thought we got to do that though, while
Speaker 16: we're still alive, right right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Hey, it's Dave Silver, good to hear from you. Hey, Dave,
Speaker 4: did you know that Michael Confordo's mother went to the
Speaker 4: u of A. She was a synchronized swimmer. Tracy really,
Speaker 4: that's his mom.
Speaker 16: I did know story. I did hear that.
Speaker 6: I do remember.
Speaker 16: I remember when I was going to the u of A,
Speaker 16: you know, being friends with some of the synchronized swimmers
Speaker 16: and they were really really good gals.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's right right around your era.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure, because it wasn't it like Tercer Leiz
Speaker 4: and Candy Costy something like that.
Speaker 2: They were good. Yeah, they were.
Speaker 3: They were that level. And that's his that's his mother.
Speaker 6: Oh wow, wow, Yeah, they they were. I guess synchronized swimming,
Speaker 6: was just getting.
Speaker 2: On the map then, right, yeah, no, do you I
Speaker 2: know you missed the times of being a ballplayer like
Speaker 2: these times? Uh, what are the guys going through now
Speaker 2: that or have a chance to make the playoffs?
Speaker 16: You know what's interesting, guys, I have not watched that
Speaker 16: much baseball until like the last year and a half.
Speaker 16: I've been watching a lot of Diamondbacks. Brent Strom and
Speaker 16: I are friends, and you know, he really got me
Speaker 16: out of a punk once one I was having a
Speaker 16: really kind of a tough year, got traded over to
Speaker 16: the Dodgers. He was the triple A pitching coach in Albuquerque,
Speaker 16: and Brent really helped me a lot mentally got me
Speaker 16: back on track. And we've always kind of stayed in touch.
Speaker 16: So we communicate a lot, and like almost daily, I
Speaker 16: always text him, not after like a bad game like yesterday,
Speaker 16: but normally we just kind of chit chat about stuff,
Speaker 16: and you know, I try to still try to pick
Speaker 16: his brain and kind of see what he's thinking. I
Speaker 16: keep telling him, I don't know how he's doing it
Speaker 16: because it's hard to watch at home some of these games.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, last night they've kind of had really kind
Speaker 4: of a weird last couple of weeks because they were
Speaker 4: really playing great in July and August, and the Diamondbacks
Speaker 4: have kind of hit a spot right now where it's
Speaker 4: not a good time to go into a slump. You know,
Speaker 4: what is the pressure like in late September, knowing you've
Speaker 4: only got what like five more games to go and
Speaker 4: you really need to, you know, at least win say
Speaker 4: three or four of those.
Speaker 16: It's hard because you don't want to try to make
Speaker 16: it bigger than it is. It's still a game, but
Speaker 16: it's it's important as heck, you know, you like, right
Speaker 16: now they need to win. I think they got a
Speaker 16: half a game lead on the Braves, and I think
Speaker 16: they're half a game down to the Mess.
Speaker 6: But it's hard.
Speaker 16: You know, you try to tell yourself, don't make a
Speaker 16: big deal, but it is a big deal. I think
Speaker 16: once the game starts and you get out of there,
Speaker 16: you kind of forget. You get out there and you
Speaker 16: kind of forget about things, the pressure that you know,
Speaker 16: the amount of the intensity that each win has. But
Speaker 16: you know, it is once the game starts, it's still
Speaker 16: a game. But I think it's before and afterwards where
Speaker 16: you think a lot about those things.
Speaker 2: So you said you hadn't watched much until recently. What
Speaker 2: was the thought behind that or the reason?
Speaker 6: It was just hard?
Speaker 16: Like you and I have talked, it's hard to watch.
Speaker 16: Hard to watch the fact that there's only three guys
Speaker 16: hitting three hundred. There's only you know, so many guys
Speaker 16: are hitting horrible there.
Speaker 6: It's really all or nothing.
Speaker 16: And one thing I really appreciate about the Diamondbacks is,
Speaker 16: and I told Brent this, I go, the Diamondbacks play
Speaker 16: the game the right way.
Speaker 6: For the most part.
Speaker 16: They play hard, you know, they bunt, they run every ball.
Speaker 6: Out for the most part. The pitching has been good.
Speaker 6: They look like they're having.
Speaker 16: A lot of fun. And they kind of play, to
Speaker 16: me almost like the old Saint Louis Cardinals played with
Speaker 16: using their speed, good pitching and good bullpen, which uses
Speaker 16: a good formula for winning games.
Speaker 4: Makes sense. Yeah, the game has changed so much. I
Speaker 4: was gonna say the exact same thing. The game has
Speaker 4: changed so much. There's just I mean, it's basically, you know,
Speaker 4: home runs and that's about it. I mean, you kind
Speaker 4: of seem to seem to be living for the three
Speaker 4: run bomb all the time.
Speaker 6: And pitchers don't pitch like they used to.
Speaker 16: And I know I keep seeing, you know, Greg Maddocks
Speaker 16: does podcasts and stuff, and I just love listening to him,
Speaker 16: and I love listening to Tony gwynn Old videos of
Speaker 16: him talking about hitting.
Speaker 6: Because those were two of the greats.
Speaker 16: Those guys, you know, Mike, Greg Maddox knew how to pitch.
Speaker 16: He moved the ball around, he changed speeds. He didn't
Speaker 16: throw real hard, but he was a master. He was
Speaker 16: called the professor. And then you obviously had Tony, who
Speaker 16: didn't strike out, he put the ball in play.
Speaker 6: He was just a student of the game. He was
Speaker 6: such he was so prepared. I told Steve all this time.
Speaker 16: You know, he used to watch He was the guy
Speaker 16: that first started watching video and it was such an
Speaker 16: advantage knowing what the other pitchers that he was going
Speaker 16: to face, what their ball did, the tendencies, what they
Speaker 16: were going to throw in certain counts, and he was
Speaker 16: so prepared and that's why he was I think to me,
Speaker 16: he's going to go down as one of the greatest,
Speaker 16: even though you know, everyone says, oh, he was a
Speaker 16: singles hitter, Well, what he did as far as you know,
Speaker 16: Greg Maddocks never striking him out over a hundred at bats.
Speaker 6: He was he was a magician.
Speaker 16: He had that bat was like a magic wand he
Speaker 16: could put.
Speaker 6: The ball in play and hit pitches that were just
Speaker 6: you just scratch your head. You're like, how did he
Speaker 6: hit that thing? But he was just phenomenal.
Speaker 2: Did you get him anytime? Did you face a few times?
Speaker 18: I did?
Speaker 6: As a matter of fact, I've told this story many times.
Speaker 6: I was with the Marlins and we were going into.
Speaker 16: San Diego to play the Padres and I came in
Speaker 16: and faced him and actually struck him out. And I
Speaker 16: threw him a fastball down and in and he swung
Speaker 16: over it, which surprised the heck out of me.
Speaker 6: And so after the game, the reporter says, what did
Speaker 6: you you know?
Speaker 16: He's like, Wow, he struck out Greg Maddox's struck out
Speaker 16: Tony and he goes, that's really hard to do. And
Speaker 16: I said, well, guess what. Tomorrow night, I'm going to
Speaker 16: have to face him again and probably he'll probably hit
Speaker 16: a ground ball between third and short to win the game.
Speaker 17: And what did he do?
Speaker 6: The next night? I had to come in and face him.
Speaker 16: And I made a good pitch and he hit a
Speaker 16: ground ball to the left field for a game winning hit.
Speaker 6: So, but that's why Tony was so good. He used
Speaker 6: the whole field.
Speaker 16: Can you imagine if Tony they played the shift on him,
Speaker 16: he'd hit a thousand.
Speaker 6: They couldn't. They couldn't do the shift on him because
Speaker 6: he was so good.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you, so, how long was your career
Speaker 2: as double digits, wasn't it?
Speaker 16: I played twenty one years and I got about seven years,
Speaker 16: you know in the big leagues, you know, with the
Speaker 16: various teams. My longest run was with the Rain I
Speaker 16: was there in ninety five, six and seven, and that's
Speaker 16: when I got traded in ninety seven over to the Marlins.
Speaker 16: They able to enjoy that postseason that they had. So yeah,
Speaker 16: so it was spread out and over over three decades.
Speaker 2: So let me let me ask you this, given today's world,
Speaker 2: how would you have fit in?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 6: You know, it's a good question. I often wonder how
Speaker 6: would I fit in?
Speaker 16: Because I wasn't a hard thrower. I threw uper eighties,
Speaker 16: I hit ninety you know. But I really think the
Speaker 16: gun is not legit. I think I think they got
Speaker 16: the ball coming out of the hand, which I think
Speaker 16: makes everybody throw a little bit harder.
Speaker 6: You know, a lot of the old school guys that
Speaker 6: I still talk to, we talked about the radar gun
Speaker 6: and how ridiculous it is and how it it's not legit.
Speaker 16: But I think if you can change speeds, And I
Speaker 16: look at Logan Webb, the kid that pitched against the
Speaker 16: Diamondbacks last night. He's not an incredibly hard thrower, but
Speaker 16: he's got really good move in his fastball. Sinks, he's
Speaker 16: got a good chance up in a good slider.
Speaker 6: I mean, I was a guy that.
Speaker 16: Had to keep the ball down and I had the
Speaker 16: ability to do that. I think I could still pitch today.
Speaker 16: I had a good change up. So I would love
Speaker 16: to think that I could still pitch pretty much in
Speaker 16: any era.
Speaker 6: I mean that's what I tell myself anyway.
Speaker 4: It's kind of interesting when you watch the Diamondbacks, at
Speaker 4: least the team that I seem to watch the most,
Speaker 4: and they seem to like, if they can just get
Speaker 4: into the at least the sixth inning with their starter,
Speaker 4: they've got it all lined up sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth pitchers.
Speaker 4: Is that is that kind of a new thing or
Speaker 4: was that happening while you were pitching.
Speaker 16: You know, I think Tony LaRussa was one of the
Speaker 16: first guys that really did that. He had, obviously denissecres
Speaker 16: ly at the back end of the bullpen, and he
Speaker 16: was such a smart guy. He was an attorney, and
Speaker 16: he pretty much broke the game down and he realized
Speaker 16: if his pitcher could go sixth and then you had
Speaker 16: somebody to come into seventh and the eighth, and then
Speaker 16: you have deniscers Lye, who he made that transition from
Speaker 16: starting pitcher.
Speaker 6: To relieve, right, you know, And that's a lot of
Speaker 6: a lot of really good teams are doing now. They
Speaker 6: break the game, like Tory Lavello.
Speaker 16: You know, they had Sea Wald and obviously he's he
Speaker 16: kind of underperformed that he's not in there anymore. But
Speaker 16: I think a lot of teams, like the Dodgers, try
Speaker 16: to do that with Dave Roberts. And you know, it's
Speaker 16: sad to me because I was a starting pitcher most
Speaker 16: of my career. My first six years in pro ball,
Speaker 16: I started, and I always tried to get into seventh
Speaker 16: and the eighth inning and deep as I could. And
Speaker 16: you know, I think every starter wants to do that,
Speaker 16: but they're they're protecting the starters so much. With all
Speaker 16: the elbow injuries that have happened in the last you know,
Speaker 16: ten or fifteen years, it seems like everybody's having Tommy
Speaker 16: john You know, you look at Berlander, who's come back
Speaker 16: from to Tommy John's and shures or all these guys,
Speaker 16: you know, having one and two, Daniel Hudson still pitching.
Speaker 16: He was an ex diamondback. He's had to Tommy John's
Speaker 16: and and so it's I think they're really trying to
Speaker 16: protect the pitchers, but it seems like it doesn't matter.
Speaker 6: Still still get hurt.
Speaker 2: So you were talking about playing, you know today, I
Speaker 2: asked you, how would you fit in today? Let me
Speaker 2: tell you, guys, you might have heard this joke already.
Speaker 2: It wasn't jokings a reality. Some guy asked Pete Rose
Speaker 2: not too long ago. Uh so, Pete, how do you
Speaker 2: think you fast? How do you think you do against
Speaker 2: the today's pictures? You know I died about uh maybe
Speaker 2: one ninety five. Really, Pete, it's that tough. He's this
Speaker 2: time of year or not this time of year these days,
Speaker 2: and he says, hell, I'm eighty years old, but.
Speaker 6: I know I did I hear I did that Pete.
Speaker 3: I've heard that's.
Speaker 6: He's a character. I do, you know, I don't.
Speaker 16: I don't agree with the bedding on the baseball thing,
Speaker 16: and I really personally don't think he should be in
Speaker 16: the Hall of Fame because that.
Speaker 6: But you certainly can't.
Speaker 16: I mean, he was Charlie Hustle. He hustled, He played
Speaker 16: every day. He you know, he ran into Ray Fosse
Speaker 16: and on the All Star Game. He's notorious for for
Speaker 16: always that head first dive. You know one thing about
Speaker 16: Pete he played hard. And you know it's funny. I
Speaker 16: was listened to the Diamondbacks game and you know could
Speaker 16: tell Marte, I guess told his manager he needed a
Speaker 16: day off, and I you know, when they got five
Speaker 16: games left, I'm like, cal Riff can play twenty six
Speaker 16: hundred games in a row, and basically the last, the last.
Speaker 6: Game, he just said I'm gone.
Speaker 3: And he wasn't even hurt.
Speaker 16: He could have kept going. But the guys just I
Speaker 16: don't know if it's the money they're making or what,
Speaker 16: but you know, everybody they have days off, and like
Speaker 16: like the Diamondbacks have. I think they just had a
Speaker 16: day off, but it's just like it seems so different.
Speaker 16: Look at you know, I always think about Lebron and
Speaker 16: you know, all the games that he's missed, and then
Speaker 16: you think about somebody like John Stockton who played and
Speaker 16: never missed games, and he was a point guard and
Speaker 16: he used to get beat up, and you know, things
Speaker 16: have changed. I think the athletes, I think have kind
Speaker 16: of gotten soft.
Speaker 4: You don't like load managements? Isn't it the term we
Speaker 4: use in the meeting? They're trying to get rid of that?
Speaker 4: I think a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what about this?
Speaker 2: You were pretty good back in your day, the Francona
Speaker 2: Tito and all these guys who could have made a
Speaker 2: ton of money had the thing been the same back then.
Speaker 2: But then you see the the Vegas quarterback Lee because
Speaker 2: he wasn't making the money that was promised.
Speaker 3: What do you think of that?
Speaker 16: You know, I just when I when I keep thinking about,
Speaker 16: you know, these these kids in college making money. I know,
Speaker 16: DeAndre Aid and the whole Sean Miller thing.
Speaker 6: That's a whole nother story.
Speaker 16: But I mean, I I think that, you know, why
Speaker 16: shouldn't they make money?
Speaker 6: But I just think it's kind of ruined things. I mean,
Speaker 6: you know, these kids are.
Speaker 16: Transferring so many different schools, Like like the Candiati kid
Speaker 16: that pitched for the u of A last year. I
Speaker 16: got a chance to know him a little bit. He'd
Speaker 16: been to five different schools in five years. And I
Speaker 16: tell you, I just I enjoyed my four years at
Speaker 16: the u of A.
Speaker 6: And if I had to do it.
Speaker 16: Over again, I would do the same thing. I loved
Speaker 16: playing for coach Kendall. You know, Arizona, Tucson's my hometown.
Speaker 16: It was a it was an honor and I wanted
Speaker 16: to be a Wildcat when I was a little kid.
Speaker 16: So I know money has changed things. It's changed athletes,
Speaker 16: it's changed sports, and look at all the betting that's
Speaker 16: going on nowadays.
Speaker 6: I think the world's.
Speaker 16: Different and not necessarily a better place. But I still
Speaker 16: enjoy watching, you know, the game, and I love watching
Speaker 16: the NFL and it's exciting.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 16: I'm an Aaron Rodgers guy, and I'm hoping that he
Speaker 16: can stay healthy and lead the Jets because the Jets,
Speaker 16: of you know, haven't won since Joe Nameless was there.
Speaker 6: So I still enjoy it. But things have changed and money.
Speaker 19: Has not made it better.
Speaker 2: You still let me ask you so we've got about
Speaker 2: a minute left. Who do you predict will win it
Speaker 2: this year in baseball?
Speaker 3: Or do you care?
Speaker 19: It's it's tough.
Speaker 6: It's tough to say.
Speaker 16: I mean, you look at the Dodgers with the great
Speaker 16: team they had, with with what Otani did you look,
Speaker 16: It's hard to predict.
Speaker 6: I just think the team that is on a roll.
Speaker 16: I know that when I was with the Padres in
Speaker 16: ninety eight and at the end of the season and
Speaker 16: you know, we were not playing very well, and I.
Speaker 6: Thought, what are we going to do in the playoffs?
Speaker 16: And we ended up getting to the World Series and
Speaker 16: losing to the Yankees.
Speaker 2: It's hard.
Speaker 6: Look at what the Diamondbacks did with their run last year.
Speaker 16: Nobody expected them to beat the Brewers, you know, and
Speaker 16: then to beat the Phillies and then get or beat
Speaker 16: the Dodgers and then the Phillies and then get to
Speaker 16: the World You just never know whoever's hot, whoever pitchers
Speaker 16: are pitching the best, and it's all about timely hitting.
Speaker 16: I just love to see the Diamondbacks get in because
Speaker 16: I think if they get in, I think they could
Speaker 16: they could go far.
Speaker 6: Who knows they could win it.
Speaker 4: I think baseball is excited to see Otani in the
Speaker 4: playoffs for the first time too, right, this will be
Speaker 4: his first appearance, and it is and it's exciting.
Speaker 16: You know, myself being a position player most of my
Speaker 16: career until I got to pro ball, and I really
Speaker 16: hated to see, you know, the National League get rid
Speaker 16: of the DH. But I think it's so exciting to
Speaker 16: see a guy that's got that much talent, that could
Speaker 16: run and still fifty bases and throw the ball one
Speaker 16: hundred miles an hour and hit fifty fifty three home runs,
Speaker 16: and he just he seems like such a likable guy.
Speaker 16: He's so humble, he bows to everybody, His teammates look
Speaker 16: like they love him, and he's been so good for
Speaker 16: the game. I just it'll be really interesting to see
Speaker 16: next year when he comes back and he's.
Speaker 6: Able to pitch and hit again, how he does Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and thanks so much for joining us today.
Speaker 2: Could you hear from you?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's awesome. Love love listening to you guys, and
Speaker 6: you guys are Dave. It's been a pleasure you.
Speaker 16: I love watching you when you're on Channel nine and
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Speaker 6: A fabulous job. You guys are really good and keep doing,
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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to an the Ball here Fox Sports
Speaker 2: fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. I have Dave Silverton with
Speaker 2: me with my co host, Have Henry got Matt here?
Speaker 2: We got a call. You're on the air.
Speaker 21: Hey you guys, this is a Gabriel calling you, calling
Speaker 21: you guys, how are you guys.
Speaker 2: Doing Gabriel, We're doing well. It's only Wednesday. It's better
Speaker 2: than Monday because games coming up. Yeah it is.
Speaker 21: Let's see what happens. Arizona's offense needs to score points
Speaker 21: and not get shut off, stot out, and Arizona's defense
Speaker 21: needs you eliminate or trying to maintain, not to have
Speaker 21: Utah's offense run all over them.
Speaker 2: So give me, on a scale of one to ten,
Speaker 2: the chances of them winning.
Speaker 19: Well, let me just say this, this team is not
Speaker 19: last year's team.
Speaker 2: So the number is lower because last year they ran
Speaker 2: right through Utah. Yeah yeah, no, no question about that.
Speaker 2: And they're on the road obviously. So so have you
Speaker 2: called since the last game, since the Kansas State game?
Speaker 3: I think you did, right, Yes?
Speaker 19: I did, Yester, I.
Speaker 2: Did any any hopes? Any what if they okay, what
Speaker 2: if they lose but they play well?
Speaker 3: Are you okay?
Speaker 19: Yeah? I'll be fine with that.
Speaker 3: Just do not get blocked.
Speaker 19: Just do not have the game like Kansas State did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no question.
Speaker 19: And with with Dino Babers, come on, get the offense
Speaker 19: going right.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure it's that simple, but I mean yeah,
Speaker 4: I think we have to give them a little benefit
Speaker 4: of the doubt. It's they played three games, and so
Speaker 4: you know, the new coaches and they're trying to learn
Speaker 4: everything and trying to get their system in place. So
Speaker 4: I think we know that Dino's got the potential. They
Speaker 4: got the players to do it. So let's just say
Speaker 4: they can perform.
Speaker 19: Well, actually, let me correct my stamen. Let's let's just
Speaker 19: have like like a po like a run and pass offense.
Speaker 19: Have have something like that. Don't don't be like, uh
Speaker 19: I don't know what's my offense gonna be. Come on,
Speaker 19: come on, get your head.
Speaker 3: Out or you know what, well, you know that's who knows.
Speaker 3: If that's what they want.
Speaker 4: Put the Noita in that position to run half the time.
Speaker 3: He's not a big guy. Yeah, thanks for calling.
Speaker 21: Thank you, you guys, bear down, Arizona.
Speaker 2: Keep calling, keep counting, keep calling, Gabe, thank you. All right,
Speaker 2: I think he still think you were gay. You're Jay.
Speaker 3: It's all right.
Speaker 2: Oh you call me. You don't call me late for dinner, Okay, Dave,
Speaker 2: we're gonna have I think we're gonna have a call here.
Speaker 2: Matt's gonna call a little bit.
Speaker 21: Uh.
Speaker 2: I know we're trying to get some things posted if
Speaker 2: you saw our feed on Twitter, you saw our guests. Uh,
Speaker 2: everything will kind of continue with that on Twitter and
Speaker 2: Facebook with our future guests moving forward.
Speaker 3: Thank you Matt for doing that.
Speaker 2: And then we'll just continue to get calls five two
Speaker 2: o four one, six, seventy four, forty if you want
Speaker 2: to call in, Uh, talk about whatever, talk about the playoffs,
Speaker 2: talk about football, talk about basketball. We had Tommy Lloyd today.
Speaker 2: He greeted us like, you know, good to see you,
Speaker 2: but not really, but that's him joking with us, of course.
Speaker 19: Uh.
Speaker 2: And we spent about twenty five minutes with him, great,
Speaker 2: great stuff. I asked him a few questions just about
Speaker 2: this team compared to the previous three.
Speaker 3: What's he gonna say, right right?
Speaker 2: Pretty much the same practice starts, Well, it started yesterday
Speaker 2: or this week today. It was like practice too. Okay,
Speaker 2: you're not gonna see anything different. It's gonna team that's
Speaker 2: gonna be run up and down. It's kind of funny.
Speaker 2: He talked about it's a program where he wants to
Speaker 2: be physical. Yeah, yeah, they're not a physical team.
Speaker 3: They're just not.
Speaker 4: You can want to be physical, but it's not. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they're gonna be it for some wars. I think in
Speaker 4: the Big Twelve, it's going.
Speaker 2: To be sure. Did talk about that, Yeah, when we
Speaker 2: talked about the Big Twelve. I guess the schedule comes
Speaker 2: up tomorrow, the official you know when and where and
Speaker 2: all that stuff. So I can't wait because it's gonna
Speaker 2: be fun. I'm not going to go on the road anymore.
Speaker 2: I might go to Kansas at the end because apparently
Speaker 2: that's the last game of the regular season, and then
Speaker 2: right after that they have the Big Twelve Tournament, which
Speaker 2: is going to be fantastic. And I think we talked
Speaker 2: about this yesterday, Dave that that I think they could
Speaker 2: finish third or fourth in the league but still have
Speaker 2: a good chance of winning the turn the championship.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean that's the story of Arizona basketball,
Speaker 4: right when they won them a championship.
Speaker 3: Ten that year. I mean, yeah, there's gonna be some
Speaker 3: great battles.
Speaker 4: And we've seen you know, individual games through the years
Speaker 4: with the Houstons and TCU and in Kansas, and so
Speaker 4: we've seen those those teams either here in Tucson or
Speaker 4: on the road. So it's not going to be totally
Speaker 4: brand new, but to have to kind of go through
Speaker 4: that schedule for a couple of months is going to
Speaker 4: be an interesting, interesting run for the for the program
Speaker 4: and right fans to watch and get used to watching
Speaker 4: games that at you know, five o'clock in the afternoon
Speaker 4: and different game times on maybe a Sunday or Saturday
Speaker 4: that we're not.
Speaker 2: Used to, right, right, right, We'll see what happens. And
Speaker 2: then I asked him about Caleb when you know what
Speaker 2: he expects from him? Today was one of those games.
Speaker 2: And Tommy does this fairly well or too well where
Speaker 2: you ask me a question and he's very not specific.
Speaker 2: And you've been through thousands of these, right, they don't
Speaker 2: tell you specifically. They kind of tell you, but don't
Speaker 2: tell you. Like his role for Caleb maybe a little different,
Speaker 2: he says, maybe kind of uh can't use the word
Speaker 2: improve or not improve, but kind of progress and work
Speaker 2: in all the right phrases. And I said, could you explain?
Speaker 3: And know you can't. You know, if you're a coach,
Speaker 3: what do you want from from what do you want
Speaker 3: from Caleb? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean he was great last year, he really was.
Speaker 4: He you know, he had a lot of kind of
Speaker 4: moments near the end that didn't work out. But you know,
Speaker 4: he's got so much potential, and he's obviously the team leader,
Speaker 4: and they're gonna they're gonna expect him to score between
Speaker 4: fifteen and twenty five a game.
Speaker 2: I'll get back to that in a second. I got
Speaker 2: a caller, Hello, you're on the air, Steve Matt. Matt,
Speaker 2: but I know, hey, hey, hey, so let me tell
Speaker 2: you something. How long you've been on the show, maybe
Speaker 2: about a month ago. You and Troy at the same time.
Speaker 2: I think Troy was my guest, and we talked about
Speaker 2: nil and and kids transferring because they weren't getting money.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, we have a story on it.
Speaker 2: It didn't shock you, did it, not one bit?
Speaker 6: I mean it shouldn't shock anybody.
Speaker 17: I mean, this is kind of the way things are
Speaker 17: going and have gone. And we talked about Jane your shot,
Speaker 17: I think the last time you had me on, and
Speaker 17: this is kind of following along those lines. I mean,
Speaker 17: kids want their money, people are being promised money, people
Speaker 17: are not signing contracts.
Speaker 6: You have a lot of people that don't know what
Speaker 6: they're doing involved and this is what you have so.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm not naive enough to know that
Speaker 2: payments or promises have been made throughout the years of
Speaker 2: sports in college basketball, football and all that stuff, But
Speaker 2: in this case, it was a promise that was never fulfilled, right,
Speaker 2: or that's what it sounds like.
Speaker 17: It depends on what you're listening to and how it goes.
Speaker 17: I mean, if you're listening to school, it was, hey,
Speaker 17: you're not giving us enough when you want to renegotiate.
Speaker 17: If you're listening to quarterback and family, it's you never
Speaker 17: paid us what you promise. So you know, he said,
Speaker 17: she said, he said, he said, I guess, And.
Speaker 6: You know, that's the world we live.
Speaker 17: And that's why, you know, players need to understand they
Speaker 17: need to sign paperwork and things need to be in
Speaker 17: writing or else. Nothing's guaranteed, and so interesting families get
Speaker 17: a lot of kind of a root awakening about what's
Speaker 17: to await them, you know, at the pro level and
Speaker 17: what it's like to be a professional. And some people
Speaker 17: are learning some hard lessons on both sides, and so,
Speaker 17: you know, I think it's you just have too many
Speaker 17: people involved right now. They just don't understand the full
Speaker 17: scope of what's going on.
Speaker 3: I think there's on both sides.
Speaker 17: I think schools are still trying to figure out exactly
Speaker 17: how to maneuver and work with him. You know, the
Speaker 17: laws and things that are being added down in courts,
Speaker 17: and so there's just a lot of things, a lot
Speaker 17: of layers to it, and not a lot of knowledge.
Speaker 17: And at the center of it people trying to make
Speaker 17: money and some.
Speaker 19: People, you know, get involved.
Speaker 17: All these players have agents and they want to make
Speaker 17: their cut and people and players who didn't have agents
Speaker 17: before that are now having to deal with that. And
Speaker 17: a lot of people don't know what's going on and
Speaker 17: are jumping right into it and at the end just
Speaker 17: want their money. And it's a lot more difficult than that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: The statement that came out from Blueprint Sports, which runs
Speaker 4: UNLV's collective says, quote, there were no formal nil offers
Speaker 4: made during mister Sluca's recruitment process, and it quote did
Speaker 4: not finalize or agree to any nil offers while he
Speaker 4: was part of the team, aside from.
Speaker 3: Completed community engagement event over the summer.
Speaker 4: So you know, if he expected one hundred thousand dollars,
Speaker 4: he probably maybe didn't sign that contract to get that
Speaker 4: kind of money or whoever promised him that, I guess
Speaker 4: be that question hasn't been answered yet either.
Speaker 17: Yeah. I mean from the sounds of it, there is
Speaker 17: no no document sign which is yeah, I mean that
Speaker 17: is just you have assistant coaches is handing out money
Speaker 17: and saying they're gonna pay money. And again a lot
Speaker 17: of people just don't know what's going on and making
Speaker 17: decisions and making calls that they shouldn't be making or
Speaker 17: don't have the you know, ability to make or shouldn't
Speaker 17: have the ability to make and kind of get what
Speaker 17: you're getting now. And so this is not gonna be
Speaker 17: the last time that this comes up. And eventually I've said,
Speaker 17: it's all gonna be over the table, and eventually there'll
Speaker 17: be contracts that everyone knows about and everyone knows exactly
Speaker 17: how much everybody's making. Maybe this speeds it up, Maybe
Speaker 17: this seeds up that process, but there's eventually going to
Speaker 17: be camp hold out. I'm telling you, if we're not
Speaker 17: far off from players going, hey, I had a really
Speaker 17: good season. We never renegotiated my my anil or my contract.
Speaker 17: I'm not showing up to the training camp. And so
Speaker 17: we're kind of we're kind of at that point now
Speaker 17: where players are saying, hey, I'm not playing any more games.
Speaker 6: I can preserve my red shirt. That's what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 17: And maybe it happens faster now because now are getting
Speaker 17: you know, into lawsuits and things like that, and we'll see,
Speaker 17: but it's kind of a gigantic mess. I'm surprised it
Speaker 17: hasn't happened more often. Like I said, it's not the
Speaker 17: first instance of somebody being promised money and not being paid.
Speaker 17: Maybe not everybody has taken it to a quarter made
Speaker 17: it as public as it's become, you know, outside of.
Speaker 6: Jay and Rashata in this situation. But this is not
Speaker 6: the only time this has happened, and so.
Speaker 17: A lot of people need to get on the same page,
Speaker 17: and there's probably to be fewer people involved and more
Speaker 17: people involved who know what's going on.
Speaker 6: And can kind of handle all these conversations.
Speaker 4: That's why you're seeing some of these, you know, general
Speaker 4: manager positions coming, like basketball at Arizona and football and
Speaker 4: things like that.
Speaker 3: Right and real quickly.
Speaker 2: I think Matt told us about twenty minutes ago that
Speaker 2: I guess the running back from you and LV has
Speaker 2: done the same thing right right the bet Yeah, So
Speaker 2: he just nodded, and so it's the crumbling UNLV football program.
Speaker 3: Meantime, they're going to go to the pat twelve.
Speaker 6: Yeah, how about that.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden. Okay, Matt, Hey, thanks a bunch,
Speaker 2: appreciate you, Thanks for calling in. All right, all right,
Speaker 2: So there was something I wanted to say regarding all
Speaker 2: of this crazy times. N I L YadA, YEAHA, I
Speaker 2: can't remember what the.
Speaker 19: Heck it was.
Speaker 3: Keep thinking about it.
Speaker 2: Uh, well, the next domino the domino fell the days
Speaker 2: the next day, right, And I was gonna say, make
Speaker 2: a prediction of when when the next domino fall somewhere else?
Speaker 4: I mean in terms of n IL and then I
Speaker 4: L school or whatever. It could be anywhere it really,
Speaker 4: it could really be anywhere. Who would have thought NLV yesterday? Yeah,
Speaker 4: it could could pop up anywhere. So right, I'm sure
Speaker 4: others who are seeing this story are gonna probably think
Speaker 4: about it themselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially maybe second stream quarterbacks. Third stream quarterbacks. Guys.
Speaker 2: You know I'm not gonna play here.
Speaker 3: And we saw it.
Speaker 2: You brought up a name yesterday, Ruben Douglas. Right, Uh,
Speaker 2: he played here, pretty good player. He came and joined
Speaker 2: with Gilbert Arenas. Luke record had come at the time,
Speaker 2: and you're thinking, oh, man, I got to compete against
Speaker 2: these two dudes. My playing time is going to diminish,
Speaker 2: and get the hell out of here. Go to New Mexico.
Speaker 2: Score thirty points a game, which he did. He led
Speaker 2: the nation I think in scoring. And you know, either
Speaker 2: you're a good player or you're an NBA player, or
Speaker 2: you're not. He was not, even though he scored the
Speaker 2: thirty points. That's that was the issue back then, right,
Speaker 2: you know, competition. Now it's where can I get more money?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And they also had to sit out a year, right,
Speaker 4: I didn't Reubin have to see that, I think so
Speaker 4: in those years you had to, you know, when he transferred.
Speaker 4: And that has just changed really in the last few years,
Speaker 4: where now it's you know, she's a hardship or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's craziness now.
Speaker 4: I mean, this kid could transfer in December and be
Speaker 4: in spring football for a team next year and be
Speaker 4: in his third or fourth school.
Speaker 3: So that's kind of the way things are going. Good luck,
Speaker 3: good luck. We got a minute left, okay, so we're
Speaker 3: good show.
Speaker 2: Good first hour with the good bay quickly when we
Speaker 2: have funy things to talk.
Speaker 4: Good to talk to Ed Vrosberg. I mean, I like
Speaker 4: he mentioned you know, I've been in town kind of
Speaker 4: watching his entire career. I didn't I was not here
Speaker 4: for the eighty World Series team. But that team, you
Speaker 4: know the legacy of Terry and him and Craig Lefferts
Speaker 4: and the group that came out of that team, you know,
Speaker 4: had nice longs that as sportscasters, we were always keeping
Speaker 4: an eye out for them when they would come in
Speaker 4: and fetch your play or do something big. And obviously
Speaker 4: Terry has had a Hall of Fame career, right right.
Speaker 2: No, those are the good old days. Yeah, and then
Speaker 2: there's still some good days left. Okay, let's take a
Speaker 2: break and come back on the other side of breaking news, right, Henry.
Speaker 3: Yeah,