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Speaker 1: Support the show. We actually have two guests lined up
Speaker 1: for you today. I've got Ron and Allen on here
Speaker 1: and they're here to start the first of a two
Speaker 1: part series on this strange place out in Arizona known
Speaker 1: as Bradshaw Ranch. It's been compared to Skinwalker Ranch. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of bigfoot activity going on, some really strange
Speaker 1: things that Ron and Allen have experienced out there. And
Speaker 1: in part two, we're gonna have Ron back with Mark
Speaker 1: and they're going to talk about the latest documentary that
Speaker 1: they've put out about Bradshaw Ranch. And I'm gonna include
Speaker 1: some of that audio in both of these episodes for
Speaker 1: you to allow you to get sort of a feel
Speaker 1: for the film and what you can expect when you
Speaker 1: check it out. I want to take a couple of
Speaker 1: seconds here and thank Glenn from the United Kingdom. I
Speaker 1: opened up the show with the brand new Sasquatch Odyssey
Speaker 1: jingle that Glenn put together last year and he finally
Speaker 1: got that recorded and sent over to me. He and
Speaker 1: his buddy sat down and did a fantastic job putting
Speaker 1: that music together and sending it over. I hope you
Speaker 1: guys enjoyed it as much as I did. Thank you, Glenn.
Speaker 1: Very much for taking the time to put together that jingle.
Speaker 1: It is awesome, man, I love it as you listen
Speaker 1: to this. Right now, Danny and I are up in
Speaker 1: Tennessee with Wayne Tiffany, mister Tiffany Troy, and a whole
Speaker 1: group of amazing listeners. We're getting ready for the Smokey
Speaker 1: Mountain Bigfoot Conference. I hope to see plenty of you
Speaker 1: guys out there this weekend. It is on Saturday in
Speaker 1: the Convention Center right there in downtown Gatlinburg. I'm sure
Speaker 1: there's still tickets available if you guys want to stop
Speaker 1: by on Saturday and say hello and see all the
Speaker 1: amazing speakers. We'd love to see you guys at the event.
Speaker 1: I will put the link for tis. It's right here
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Speaker 1: enough of that, I know you guys are ready to
Speaker 1: get into it. Ron and Alan are on the line.
Speaker 1: They're ready to go. All that's left for you to
Speaker 1: do is sit back, relax and enjoy the show. All right,
Speaker 1: I want to welcome our guest to the show.
Speaker 4: It is Ron and Alan. Welcome to the show, guys.
Speaker 7: Hey, Brian thanks for having me on. I'm really happy
Speaker 7: to be on your show.
Speaker 8: Hey, thanks so much for having us.
Speaker 4: Let's go to Ron first.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about this Bigfoot, the Sasquatch thing, the paranormal.
Speaker 1: What can you interested in the subject?
Speaker 4: To begin with?
Speaker 7: I'm a filmmaker, yeah, and I was hired one of
Speaker 7: the larger distributors of DVD's back in the day wanted
Speaker 7: to distribute me to do a series on and the
Speaker 7: phenomenon Bigfoot. And this was back about twenty fifteen, having
Speaker 7: to do this program. This series, it was a five
Speaker 7: part series called Chasing Bigfoot. Many people have seen it
Speaker 7: and it's available on all the streaming platforms right now.
Speaker 7: And so I got interested. So I talked to a
Speaker 7: lot of people that had experiences, looked into the history,
Speaker 7: looked into the marketing aspect of it, went on some
Speaker 7: Bigfoot hunts with people around the country. I went to
Speaker 7: I think called the Bigfoot and Family Weekend at Allen Now.
Speaker 7: My son in law puts out and that was another
Speaker 7: way of showing the interest in Bigfoot. That group of
Speaker 7: people come and they take them out and show them things.
Speaker 7: And my daughter was very much interested in producing the
Speaker 7: Bigfoot thing. And she met Allen and they say the
Speaker 7: rest is history. So that was my introduction. But I
Speaker 7: should be upfront, you know, I come from a background
Speaker 7: of meditation and mystical experiences in martial arts, which is
Speaker 7: just kind of siloed away from contact experiences like Bigfoot.
Speaker 7: In UFOs. I saw the chance to possibly bring these
Speaker 7: things closer together because right now on my hypothesies, if
Speaker 7: you'll let me explain it, I'll do that later as
Speaker 7: to why I think they're all coming from the same source.
Speaker 7: So when I did this series, I got the idea
Speaker 7: that perhaps Bigfoot isn't a humanoid and isn't any grade
Speaker 7: ape of some kind, because a lot of the descriptions
Speaker 7: there were things that just could not happen described by people.
Speaker 7: And of course there's no hard evidence in the sense
Speaker 7: of a body or real good photographs besides the Patterson
Speaker 7: Ginwood film, which is interesting because you can't prove it
Speaker 7: one way or another. You can't prove it was a fake,
Speaker 7: can't prove it through. So that was my introduction, and
Speaker 7: I wanted to pursue the paranormal aspect of Bigfoot and
Speaker 7: see where would take me. And now I'm sitting here
Speaker 7: talking to you about all this stuff.
Speaker 1: Got love it. I definitely want to get into that stuff.
Speaker 1: Let's move over to Allan and talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about your experiences. I know you've been involved in the
Speaker 1: BFRO and you've had experiences, so let's talk about what
Speaker 1: got you interested in the subject to begin with it.
Speaker 1: Let's move into some of the experiences and encamters that
Speaker 1: you've had with these things.
Speaker 8: Sure. Yeah, So for me, I was into the TV
Speaker 8: shows and everything back in the day's sightings and those
Speaker 8: kind of shows, and I got into the paranormal long
Speaker 8: time ago. At one point, we were visiting my parents
Speaker 8: who lived in the out Aroundeck Mountains in upstate New York.
Speaker 8: Let's go find a bigfoot hotspot up there, and my
Speaker 8: buddy and go for a bigfoot hike. And we did that.
Speaker 8: We had an experience up there that made us really
Speaker 8: think there's something to this. We went back home where
Speaker 8: I was living in the Cleveland, Ohio area.
Speaker 7: At the time.
Speaker 8: We looked at bigfoot around there, and turns out Ohio
Speaker 8: was a hotbed for bigfoot. I had no idea, So
Speaker 8: we ended up going down to this state park a
Speaker 8: couple hours from Cleveland called Salt Fork State Park, which
Speaker 8: is very popular with bigfooters. We met some other people
Speaker 8: and there's a big conference there once a year, and
Speaker 8: got hooked up with the conference and we started filming
Speaker 8: the conference, running audio video and stuff, and they trained
Speaker 8: us and brought us into the so I worked with
Speaker 8: them and ran cases for quite a while, probably eight
Speaker 8: or nine years, and then eventually I moved out to
Speaker 8: Colorado and hooked up with Ron here and we've been
Speaker 8: doing a different kind of filmmaking but still related to bigfoot.
Speaker 8: I've had lots of encounters. It started in Ohio and
Speaker 8: I had things happen there, Rocks thrown at me, all
Speaker 8: the classic things, noises, footsteps, stuff founding around the woods
Speaker 8: and things like that. And then as Ron and I
Speaker 8: started traveling the country and filming for our show and
Speaker 8: for different movies, I started having experiences in all these
Speaker 8: different states with different people, and for me it started
Speaker 8: to add up that weird stuff was happening. But when
Speaker 8: I started out, I didn't want it to be weird.
Speaker 8: I was looking for the ape like everyone else. I
Speaker 8: didn't want it to go this way. But I'm open
Speaker 8: minded enough and with my sort of a paranormal background.
Speaker 8: I know when I'm being given something and I just
Speaker 8: I refuse to ignore it. So I'm just going where
Speaker 8: things are taking me.
Speaker 4: I gotcha.
Speaker 1: I'm certainly right there with you. I have always been
Speaker 1: in the flesh and blood camp and remain there. But
Speaker 1: I've always prided myself, particularly on this show. It was
Speaker 1: founded on the basis of giving people a safe space
Speaker 1: to come and share their experiences. And we have had
Speaker 1: a myriad of experiences, some almost five hundred episodes into
Speaker 1: the show at this point, and there have been a
Speaker 1: ton of different experiences shared over here that would be
Speaker 1: considered high strangeness or the woo part of Bigfoot. I
Speaker 1: was a former police officer. I've always had that very
Speaker 1: straightforward approach. I like to check boxes with things, and
Speaker 1: we as human beings, I think in general we like
Speaker 1: to put things in boxes. Police officers certainly do that.
Speaker 1: So it's one of those things looking into this subject,
Speaker 1: I was always trying to check boxes with the Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: So I would interview people. The Ure National Forest here
Speaker 1: in North Carolina is notorious for sasquatch bigfoot encounters. I
Speaker 1: would interview people like Bobby comes to mind. Bobby has
Speaker 1: been on the show a couple of times several years back,
Speaker 1: and he's had tons of encounters on his proper and
Speaker 1: he would also have these weird experiences with orbs, even
Speaker 1: seeing what looked like alien craft, either before deering and
Speaker 1: sometimes after having sasquatch experiences. And I used to say, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's really weird, Bobby, you're having those experiences. But I
Speaker 1: don't think they're related. And I've always approached it that way, saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're having orb experiences and you're having big foot encounters.
Speaker 1: That's just a lot of weird stuff going on at
Speaker 1: the same time. But as I've continued on my journey
Speaker 1: into this research, I have come to understand that in
Speaker 1: some ways, I think those things may be more connected.
Speaker 1: Preston Dinnitt comes to mind. Preston Dennit is somebody that's
Speaker 1: pretty well known in the UFO community. He's written tons
Speaker 1: of books about UFO abductees and contact ease over the years.
Speaker 1: The first time I had Preston On, we had a
Speaker 1: great conversation, and I had a UFO experience when I
Speaker 1: was sixteen, and it was a very close up experience
Speaker 1: with a large what I believe to be an alien
Speaker 1: craft and start then. And even through other interviews I've
Speaker 1: had with Preston, He's always said to me, Brian, everything
Speaker 1: is connected. That always goes through my mind when I'm
Speaker 1: talking to people who have these weird experiences in relation
Speaker 1: to Sasquatch, what seems to be supernatural or paranormal experiences.
Speaker 1: So I've always tried to straddle that line. I wrote
Speaker 1: a book recently. I take a stance in that book
Speaker 1: of approaching this very scientifically and saying, I think we
Speaker 1: have to take a look at both sides of that.
Speaker 1: But I have chosen to get in this lane of
Speaker 1: it's a flesh and blood creature, but we have to
Speaker 1: pay attention to this other evidence. So I'm completely open
Speaker 1: mind to that, and I don't mind being wrong. That's
Speaker 1: one of the things about a theory or a hypothesis.
Speaker 1: You have to get new data in and adjust that
Speaker 1: based on the new data. If we stay stagnant in
Speaker 1: our beliefs, I don't think we ever get anywhere. I
Speaker 1: call it drinking the Bigfoot kool aid. If you just
Speaker 1: think the same thing that's been happening since sixty seven
Speaker 1: is still happening today, I think you're barking up the
Speaker 1: wrong tree when it comes to this stuff. You've had
Speaker 1: experiences that were very what I would consider to be
Speaker 1: a flesh and blood animalistic type of behavior, very similar
Speaker 1: to some of the things I've experienced here on our
Speaker 1: property in North Carolina. I've experienced it on expedition up
Speaker 1: in Radium, BC in Canada. Have you had an experience
Speaker 1: where you got to see one of these creatures outside
Speaker 1: of the rock throwing and some of the other things
Speaker 1: that you've experienced.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I will mention I have had a lot of
Speaker 8: experiences with the sort of flesh and blood tri type creature,
Speaker 8: but over the last few years, the majority of my
Speaker 8: experiences have been more of a metaphysical type experience, where
Speaker 8: it's what I would call a contact experience, where I'm
Speaker 8: having an interaction with this thing, but it's in a
Speaker 8: way that most people wouldn't think is possible. I'm not
Speaker 8: saying like mind speaking things like that, but it's just
Speaker 8: this transfer of energy and things that's really interesting.
Speaker 7: I actually had a sidi what he switched to his
Speaker 7: family bigfoot weekend from Ohio to Colorado. What I do
Speaker 7: is that come out there and do a meditation with people.
Speaker 7: He hits at our resort in the mountains, quite vacacular site. Well,
Speaker 7: when I was out there, this is a synchronicity. One
Speaker 7: of the women was working in the gift shop said,
Speaker 7: come on and I'll show you this tree and if
Speaker 7: it was a prayer tree, it's a tree that was
Speaker 7: modified by the youths to create medicine or create prayers
Speaker 7: and was verified by a huge shaman over the years.
Speaker 7: After the meditation, I said to this group of people,
Speaker 7: I'm always amazed that I can get into coherent to
Speaker 7: one mindset. And I told him about this para tree,
Speaker 7: and I said, we've had experiences in the past with
Speaker 7: connecting with whatever spirit might be in the tree. Would
Speaker 7: you all like to come and try this? And amazingly,
Speaker 7: thirty people said yeah, let's go do it in groups
Speaker 7: of three of them would go there and put their
Speaker 7: hand on the tree. Most of them would have some
Speaker 7: sort of experience. One young girl said she asked to travel.
Speaker 7: Other ones talked about getting energy and all sorts of
Speaker 7: things to alan. After everybody was done, why aren't you
Speaker 7: and I go do this just to see what happens.
Speaker 7: We went and put our hands on the tree like this,
Speaker 7: and I had my eyes closed. Alan had his eyes
Speaker 7: closed and he was on my left and opened my
Speaker 7: eyes and looking if there wasn't a big foot standing
Speaker 7: behind him. He was in the farmer. If you would
Speaker 7: look at that image behind you, I think it's on
Speaker 7: your left side, but I'm not sure. It was like that.
Speaker 7: It was a shadow figure. It was taller than him,
Speaker 7: and my brain see something like that as one the
Speaker 7: heck as that. I'm trying to make sense of it,
Speaker 7: and at the same time Allan is waffling in and
Speaker 7: out of existence, like in the old Star Trek transporter
Speaker 7: when you're there and not there. And finally after I
Speaker 7: get stabilized and I said, oh, this is not a hallucination.
Speaker 7: I'm actually seen this. I said to Alan, there's a
Speaker 7: creature behind you.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 8: My answer was I know, because for me, I was
Speaker 8: trying to try and meditator whatever I am. My eyes
Speaker 8: closed and I started hearing these noises with my eyes closed,
Speaker 8: the tree branches snapping and water splashing, rocks flying around.
Speaker 8: I heard all this crazy noise, but it just didn't
Speaker 8: make any sense. And then I got this sense of
Speaker 8: a figure behind me. I could sense there was something
Speaker 8: behind me, and in my mind I could just picture,
Speaker 8: like the outline of it, and it looked like that
Speaker 8: picture you have right there in my mind, and I
Speaker 8: could tell that it towered over me, so I knew
Speaker 8: something was there. And then when I opened my eyes,
Speaker 8: as Ron said, there's something behind you, it was a
Speaker 8: big foot behind you. I was like, well, yeah, I
Speaker 8: can tell that. I look around and nothing's unusual where
Speaker 8: we are. There's nothing there. So I feel like wherever
Speaker 8: all those noises were was somewhere else. I was somewhere else.
Speaker 7: So pretty impossible, right, But here's two people, two independent people,
Speaker 7: having to some except the same but different experience.
Speaker 1: It's definitely one of those things that has always fascinated me.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the mind speak, Alan, That's something I've talked
Speaker 1: to people several times about on the show. I've had
Speaker 1: conversations with people like Todd Standing. I was out What'sid's
Speaker 1: last October up in his research area in Radium, BC.
Speaker 1: I've had survivor man Less Stroud on the show. Unless
Speaker 1: has described what sounds like mind speak or telepathic communication
Speaker 1: with sasquatch on multiple occasions in multiple areas while he's
Speaker 1: been out in the woods again. I'm an Okham's razor
Speaker 1: kind of guy. I've talked about it plenty of times
Speaker 1: about experiences I've had while on the street as a
Speaker 1: police officer in dangerous situations where I had what sounded
Speaker 1: like to me something in my mind saying, don't go
Speaker 1: to this side of the car, walk around to this
Speaker 1: side of the car, and then I see somebody with
Speaker 1: the weapon who was ready.
Speaker 4: To shoot me.
Speaker 1: I've compared it to that many times. So I'll ask
Speaker 1: you both independently the same question when it comes to
Speaker 1: the difference in the flesh and blood versus these things
Speaker 1: being more metaphysical, possibly related to extraterrestrials. People see them
Speaker 1: and experience them often doing very mundane, very animal sort
Speaker 1: of things. How do you reconcile that as far as
Speaker 1: your approach to the research when people are having mundane
Speaker 1: things like they're making tree knocks, or they're making tree structures,
Speaker 1: or they're making vocalizations and those kind of things. Ron,
Speaker 1: I'll ask you first, and then Alan you can answer
Speaker 1: the same question. When you're looking at this from your
Speaker 1: perspective of being open minded to it being something more
Speaker 1: than flesh and blood, how do you reconcile some of
Speaker 1: the very flesh and blood things like leaving tracks and
Speaker 1: hunting deer that people describe them doing versus them coming
Speaker 1: and going metaphysically or possibly being something extraterrestrial. Ron You
Speaker 1: can take the question first if you'd like, so.
Speaker 7: I think almost all these things you would say are impossible,
Speaker 7: which is the character. The reason they show up for
Speaker 7: mundane things is that they know now when people are
Speaker 7: in deep meditation and they have these altered state experiences,
Speaker 7: whether they're a citing of a hairy creature or something,
Speaker 7: the brain has shut down. The filter of the brain
Speaker 7: has been shut down. Let me give you one example,
Speaker 7: because I'm a filmmaker. We are at We had a
Speaker 7: site in Arkansas broadcast Crystal Wine. Are you familiar without
Speaker 7: at On? Maybe not. They have the tree structures there.
Speaker 7: They have bigfoot tracks where Alan and some of the
Speaker 7: people there part of that thing heard wood Nunce two
Speaker 7: of them. Where we're looking at the footage later and
Speaker 7: they're talking about it. Alan says it's over here, coming
Speaker 7: from here, and oh, yeah, that's right. Oh there's another
Speaker 7: one they're talking about him. That'd be a classic wood
Speaker 7: nun right now. Actually, I think they heard some howels too.
Speaker 7: When I got back and looked at the footage. The
Speaker 7: film didn't pick up the wood nuns, but I can
Speaker 7: see them talking about them and gesturing where they all
Speaker 7: came from. So there's always some little tinge to me
Speaker 7: that makes it say, that's impossible. How would that be.
Speaker 7: They obviously heard them really loud. I can hear them talking,
Speaker 7: and I can hear them moving in the bush on
Speaker 7: the footage, but there's no wood knox is there were
Speaker 7: hallucinating wood knocks where there weren't they? In any case,
Speaker 7: it's impossible. So how's that for an example?
Speaker 1: That's actually an interesting example because that happened to me
Speaker 1: up in Radium. Actually, I had recorders out most of
Speaker 1: the time we were there. Some of the things that
Speaker 1: we heard with our ears, when I was sitting around
Speaker 1: the campfire with Todd, Ashley, Kyle, and Richard that were
Speaker 1: there with me, wasn't picked up the way that we
Speaker 1: heard it in real time on some of the recorders,
Speaker 1: and I thought that was odd, but I chalked that
Speaker 1: up to just technology. Maybe for whatever reason, the recorder
Speaker 1: was a little farther away than we were from what
Speaker 1: was going on. But we at one point, I remember, specifically,
Speaker 1: three of us sitting around the campfire, we heard what
Speaker 1: sounded like samurai chatter that would be akin to what
Speaker 1: you've heard in the Ron Moorehead Sierra Sounds. It sounded
Speaker 1: like it was thirty feet away from us, just in
Speaker 1: the woodline, and only three of us heard it. I
Speaker 1: did catch which a little bit of it on the
Speaker 1: audio recorded. Unfortunately, Todd was doing what he does most
Speaker 1: of the time, which is talk, and he was talking
Speaker 1: at the exact same time that it was going on.
Speaker 1: It was just a little bit of it at the end,
Speaker 1: but we heard it distinctively with our ears in real time.
Speaker 1: Some of the whoops and some of the other things
Speaker 1: that we heard were not captured on either of the
Speaker 1: two recorders that I had out. So again I'm playing
Speaker 1: Devil's advocate as always here on the show. People who listen,
Speaker 1: I'm always going to do that. It's more of a
Speaker 1: possibly something to do with the technology.
Speaker 4: I've recorded some really weird.
Speaker 1: Things here on the property that I can't explain that
Speaker 1: I've sent to people that sounded like there's really not
Speaker 1: even any way to describe it other than something that
Speaker 1: would be an alien message and something like you would
Speaker 1: see on a movie about extraterrestrials in some cases. When
Speaker 1: I first started putting recorders out to capture audio here
Speaker 1: on the property, the first twelve hours of me recording
Speaker 1: on the property, that's all I captured was really strange,
Speaker 1: bizarre audio that nobody has.
Speaker 4: Been able to explain.
Speaker 1: I've used multiple recorders, I've only been able to capture
Speaker 1: it during that initial first recording. So there's definitely some
Speaker 1: weird stuff that goes along with this.
Speaker 7: Tom poul says, they'll show you something that they're not
Speaker 7: going to have perform for you.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back after these messages. Tom is somebody that I've
Speaker 1: always been interested in. We went back and forth about
Speaker 1: having Tom on the show, and I've never been able
Speaker 1: to have him on as a guest. We definitely need
Speaker 1: to make that happen. I know he has definitely got
Speaker 1: some interesting hypotheses about these things, and I certainly want
Speaker 1: to get into that conversation with Tom. But Alan, what
Speaker 1: about you? How do you reconcile? It seems like if
Speaker 1: you were a part of the BFRO. That's one of
Speaker 1: the things I know. Tons of people I've met Matt moneymaker.
Speaker 1: I know some people in the BFRO that are very
Speaker 1: flesh and blood oriented in general. I am actually glad
Speaker 1: to know that. I've had some people on in the
Speaker 1: past couple of probably six months or so, that are
Speaker 1: involved in the BFRO, and they seem to be, at
Speaker 1: least in the last couple of years, opening their minds
Speaker 1: a little bit more to things outside of just the
Speaker 1: flesh and blood creature, and they're a little more welcoming
Speaker 1: at least in my opinion from that perspective. You, as
Speaker 1: an investigator, went into this, as you said in the
Speaker 1: Flesh and Blood camp, how have you reconciled that given
Speaker 1: your experiences now opening your mind to their being possibly
Speaker 1: more to these things than just flesh and blood.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so right now I believe that they are flesh
Speaker 8: and blood and have metaphysical capabilities. But again I thought
Speaker 8: it was a monkey, so I've been wrong before. I'm
Speaker 8: just going along with what they give me on the
Speaker 8: path there. But from what we've noticed while we've been
Speaker 8: doing this is it seems like what you put into
Speaker 8: it is what you get back. So I think a
Speaker 8: lot of what you talked about is primitive communication and
Speaker 8: things I'm starting to believe that maybe they believe we
Speaker 8: are the premier and they're trying to talk to us
Speaker 8: in a way that they think they could get through
Speaker 8: to us and give us little breadcrumbs. As I've gone
Speaker 8: on to do more and more things with this. Started
Speaker 8: out with wood knox and then rock throwing, and then
Speaker 8: weird stuff started to happen, and then more weird stuff started.
Speaker 8: So it seems to be for me escalating. My experiences
Speaker 8: keep getting more and more personal, more and more sort
Speaker 8: of metaphysical. So I think that's because I'm open to that,
Speaker 8: and they know that. I think I'm opening my mind
Speaker 8: to all that. But I do think in a lot
Speaker 8: of my research and investigating early on too, that a
Speaker 8: lot of these things may be happening for maybe not
Speaker 8: for the reasons we think, but killing deer and all
Speaker 8: these other primitive type things. So I'm just my experience
Speaker 8: has changed. I have to look at this differently, but
Speaker 8: I still see some validity and doing the regular kind
Speaker 8: of research. But at some point I got tired of
Speaker 8: seeing footprint casts, collecting hair samples and we're still nowhere.
Speaker 8: So for me, that wasn't moving the needle, that wasn't
Speaker 8: changing my perception that wasn't getting me any closer to
Speaker 8: any answers. So it was time to do something different.
Speaker 8: So what Ron and I have been doing and we
Speaker 8: are on a mission now because we feel like the
Speaker 8: more we do this, the more we're given by them.
Speaker 8: When we first started this, you turn cameras on and
Speaker 8: everything stops. You've probably heard that before, but not anymore.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 8: When we show up somewhere, nothing's happening, and we started
Speaker 8: turning cameras on and all of a sudden, things are
Speaker 8: happening and we're catching them on film. There's this progression
Speaker 8: that I think we really want to try to bring
Speaker 8: the research forward, and I think this is what needs
Speaker 8: to be done.
Speaker 4: At least.
Speaker 8: This is another way of looking at another step. Maybe
Speaker 8: we can get some points of data that we didn't
Speaker 8: have before. So Ron's encouraged me to do and it's
Speaker 8: been very interesting. Is I take all my paranormal gear
Speaker 8: and as paranormal investigators have a ton of stuff, EMF
Speaker 8: meters andes, all these different things. Now I'm hauling that
Speaker 8: stuff in the woods. I'm taking that to bigfoot hotspots
Speaker 8: and we're putting it to use and it's working. We've
Speaker 8: had communications through a spirit box. Let's say that we
Speaker 8: believe may have been a Bigfoot, and we're using the
Speaker 8: same technology that I would normally use in some old
Speaker 8: abandoned prison somewhere that I'm at three o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 8: and we're using that out in the woods now and
Speaker 8: trying to use that as bringing a little science to it.
Speaker 8: We're taking measurements, We're showing that this area had an event,
Speaker 8: somebody had this happen here, and we can come in
Speaker 8: and say we have elevated levels of magnetic fields right
Speaker 8: here that we don't have anywhere else. Is there a correlation.
Speaker 8: We don't know, but we can certainly suggest and paint
Speaker 8: the picture that it's a puzzle. And I don't look
Speaker 8: for one thing. Okay, so I've got some impressions in
Speaker 8: the ground, I've got high levels of magnetic interference. I've
Speaker 8: got something on the thermal. You start to put all
Speaker 8: these things together and that can start to paint a
Speaker 8: more realistic picture of what it is. And then all
Speaker 8: of a sudden, it just doesn't walk away like it
Speaker 8: walked in. It's just gone. So what do I do
Speaker 8: with that data point? I can't just throw it away
Speaker 8: and say, I'm losing my mind. I'm like, no, that
Speaker 8: thing was right there, twenty feet away, and now it's not.
Speaker 8: It's nowhere. I don't know where it went. That's where
Speaker 8: it gets interesting, and you really have to just take
Speaker 8: what you're given. It's like trying to solve a crime.
Speaker 8: You've got everything on the bulletin board with little strings,
Speaker 8: trying to finger out do these connect or not. So
Speaker 8: it's a big mystery. But that's what drives me is that.
Speaker 8: And I've gotten away from the evidence gathering, like I mentioned,
Speaker 8: and we're more into these contact experiences where we feel
Speaker 8: like we're having some sort of interaction. Whatever it is,
Speaker 8: it's a communication of some sort. What it is, what
Speaker 8: it means, what they want, We can only speculate.
Speaker 1: I had a BFRO investigator on probably a month or
Speaker 1: so ago. Marsha was talking about taking some of the
Speaker 1: things that you wouldn't expect on a regular BFRO investigation
Speaker 1: EMF meters and was trying to measure scientifically different changes
Speaker 1: in the atmosphere. There was a couple of situations that
Speaker 1: Marsha talked about where people believe that they were quote
Speaker 1: unquote zapped by what a lot of people use as
Speaker 1: the term being affected by for sound is what most
Speaker 1: people attribute it to.
Speaker 4: Ron I've heard you.
Speaker 1: Talk about in the past or other episodes of other
Speaker 1: interviews about being sizzled. Can you talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about that run and start there and talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about what that means. Is that the same thing
Speaker 1: as what we would equate to people experiencing infrasound or
Speaker 1: is that something completely different.
Speaker 7: One explanation is that if these things are part of
Speaker 7: interdimensional interfees, this is just say, coming from a slightly
Speaker 7: different universe, that the physical constance in that universe could
Speaker 7: be greatly different and slightly different. So if they're interdimensional
Speaker 7: and they come in and out of that and sometimes
Speaker 7: have a bodily form here, then they go back and
Speaker 7: forth that interaction with our biology, and that other dimensional
Speaker 7: thing doesn't work well with our biology. This is how
Speaker 7: I was explained for us. When we were at Bradshaw Ranch,
Speaker 7: there was a place there where we got an extraordinary
Speaker 7: magnetic fluctuations darsing rods. What crazy. There was a thermal
Speaker 7: cold spot and then a hot spot in the middle
Speaker 7: of bit. We had a team of investigators inside that spot.
Speaker 7: We all felt like crap. We all got sizzled. So
Speaker 7: I talked to some person who was into the physics
Speaker 7: of this stuff that said, what happened there is that
Speaker 7: your biology got screwed up with the interdimensional aspect of
Speaker 7: this other universe. That's the explanation I have right now
Speaker 7: for what's going on when you have that feeling. If
Speaker 7: they're an indimendial, you're going to have that interaction and
Speaker 7: it's going to mess with your biology.
Speaker 1: Either one of you guys can answer this question, because
Speaker 1: this is something that has come up over and over
Speaker 1: again talking about the possibility of bigfoot sasquatch having the
Speaker 1: ability to interfere with cameras, batteries, any kind of electrical equipment.
Speaker 1: It's a thing that has been talked about for many years.
Speaker 1: I think I've probably even experienced this on some level
Speaker 1: on my own property, because I've had trail cams out
Speaker 1: in areas where I considered to be a possible gifting area.
Speaker 1: With these things, strange things happen, I will capture regular
Speaker 1: animals on video and still photographs, and at other times
Speaker 1: when weird things happen or other things show up, there's
Speaker 1: no pictures, there's no video, there's no explanation for why
Speaker 1: the camera did what it did. Obviously, you guys are filmmakers.
Speaker 1: You guys have used this kind of materials in many
Speaker 1: different situations, whether it be cameras, batteries, whatever the case
Speaker 1: may be. Let's talk about that. Ron. You can answer
Speaker 1: that first. What has been in your experience with the
Speaker 1: interactions with potential sasquatch bigfoot behavior and how the effect
Speaker 1: or have the possible effect on cameras and other electronic equipment.
Speaker 7: When we were at Tom Paul's place, he had a
Speaker 7: kind of a paraphysical bigfoot interaction on his own property.
Speaker 7: Has a bit of reinforce on his property, so if
Speaker 7: there's a witted area. Allen set up his trail cam
Speaker 7: to capture the route that it came down. The trail
Speaker 7: cam was shut off.
Speaker 8: Right Alan, Yeah, not only that, I had probably one
Speaker 8: of my most profound experiences that night, and I thought,
Speaker 8: this is going to be great because I know that
Speaker 8: the creature followed us out on that trail, and we'll
Speaker 8: have it because I know it was there, I heard it,
Speaker 8: I felt it. I went back in the morning to
Speaker 8: pick up the trail camera and literally the switch had
Speaker 8: been turned off from the inside.
Speaker 4: That is absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1: I really can't explain some of the weird things that
Speaker 1: I've heard that are some things like batteries going dead
Speaker 1: and things like that, but something physically turning off a
Speaker 1: switch is something completely different.
Speaker 7: There's one more thing. Allen actually had a visual sighting
Speaker 7: a Bradshaw Ranch. Maybe it'd be interested in hearing about that.
Speaker 7: Broadshaw Ranch has got the strangest collection of tracks I've
Speaker 7: ever seen, some of which would be perfect bigfoot tracks,
Speaker 7: would you say.
Speaker 5: Alan, Yeah.
Speaker 8: And then there's these three toe they look like dinosaur prints.
Speaker 8: The whole place is covered in just weird stuff in
Speaker 8: the sky in old buildings. It's really pretty much like
Speaker 8: Skinwalker Ranch in that regard.
Speaker 7: In one set, it's like that there's a main building
Speaker 7: and then there's the old Adobe structure which was the
Speaker 7: original homestead. So we were setting up to this is
Speaker 7: very early on and we were still trying to do
Speaker 7: ghosts hunting stuff, as if we might be talking to
Speaker 7: the people who went holding the place or something like that.
Speaker 7: But the question that I responded to is there's something
Speaker 7: here that's aware of us. That was the thing that
Speaker 7: elicited Okay, yeah, there's something here that can that's aware
Speaker 7: of us. So Allen had this experience in the Adobe house,
Speaker 7: which is pretty small, looking out the window on you
Speaker 7: and I'll see if I can get a picture of it,
Speaker 7: and short on myself and what he saw.
Speaker 8: So we were doing the ghost hunting stuff. We had
Speaker 8: a rempod EMF device on the floor and the spirit
Speaker 8: box with the white noise. I was leaned over asking
Speaker 8: some questions and we were there with a local who
Speaker 8: was our guide. He started asking questions and I wasn't
Speaker 8: really getting responses sole in my mind, and I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 8: he comes here all the time, so maybe they'll talk
Speaker 8: to him. So I backed up and I stood up,
Speaker 8: and as I'm standing up, I'm just happened to be
Speaker 8: looking right out the window. And it's probably ten o'clock
Speaker 8: at night or something like that, so it's just really
Speaker 8: dark out. As I can stand up, I'm looking out
Speaker 8: the window and i'ms like looking and going what is that?
Speaker 8: So it was probably twenty yards at best out the window.
Speaker 8: It was this really wide dark figure. It was probably
Speaker 8: maybe six feet tall, maybe a little less, but it
Speaker 8: was really wide, and I'm trying to make sense in
Speaker 8: my head, why does this look so big, but it's
Speaker 8: it's not tall. It looks like the width of a
Speaker 8: big foot. But where's this eight foot seven foot tall creature?
Speaker 8: So I'm trying to rationalize in my mind, and the
Speaker 8: whole time I'm just frozen. We were filming that interaction.
Speaker 8: The cameraman was filming me, and I was just entrance
Speaker 8: with what was happening. I couldn't even let them know, Okay,
Speaker 8: if you just turn the camera forty five degrees, you'll
Speaker 8: get a big foot. But I'm just totally almost paralyzed,
Speaker 8: just staring at this thing, blinking and trying to see
Speaker 8: what it is. Finally, I think after some processing, I
Speaker 8: realized that it was like hands on knees, like the
Speaker 8: linebacker pose. That's why it was hunched over. The head
Speaker 8: was out in front of it, and it was massive.
Speaker 8: But as we watched some of that footage back, another
Speaker 8: of those weird things that you don't want to see,
Speaker 8: but there they are. There's these fairly substantial balls of
Speaker 8: light that are coming from the window direction right into
Speaker 8: me on the camera as I'm looking at this thing.
Speaker 7: Then the cameraman didn't know why he was just with
Speaker 7: this tran state looking out the window. So he was
Speaker 7: filming him for a good minute or so, so we
Speaker 7: knew how long he was watching.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it lasted a while, a good solid minute or so.
Speaker 8: It wasn't like a fleeting sighting. It was literally a
Speaker 8: stare down.
Speaker 7: So what I had him do is to describe what
Speaker 7: you just saw. And as he's describing it, there's put
Speaker 7: another window. It starts matching up with what he's saying
Speaker 7: when he says, then it flickered. The light flickered. So
Speaker 7: it's clearly aware of us. Oh, shuld Should I try
Speaker 7: and show you a picture.
Speaker 8: Of my sophomore You can try it. So the guy
Speaker 8: that we were with, he had a picture of it
Speaker 8: from earlier, maybe a few weeks earlier. It's right there.
Speaker 8: Move it a little bit that way round.
Speaker 7: I know this is the mirror image of the screw.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there you go. So you can sider that the
Speaker 8: head is out in front. It's got the dome shaped head.
Speaker 8: The eyes are glowing, that's from the flash of the camera,
Speaker 8: and you can see the shoulder and the arm come down.
Speaker 8: It's this massive creature with a big old belly and
Speaker 8: it's just hunched over a little bit. They call her
Speaker 8: the big Gallon a lot of people have seen her there.
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about the gifting thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know if either of you have any experience
Speaker 1: with giftingless asquatch. So that's something that has come up
Speaker 1: multiple times. Let's talk about that.
Speaker 5: Ron.
Speaker 4: What kind of experience have you had with the gifting.
Speaker 7: I have forty acres in the Rocky Mountains. You're near
Speaker 7: Rocky Mountain National Park. To make a story sharp, there
Speaker 7: have been reports big foot siding. There's a lot of
Speaker 7: them around Estes Park and so on, and so we
Speaker 7: decided to set up a gifting site to see if
Speaker 7: we could attract something. And what we did is we
Speaker 7: this is a gated community of forty acre plots that
Speaker 7: connects between the plains, Estas Park, Stanley Hotel, and all
Speaker 7: that cool stuff. It was the old world. They went
Speaker 7: up the stagecoachure, but then when they built the highways,
Speaker 7: it closed down and somebody bought all those acres and
Speaker 7: we want forties, and we decided to try gifting. We
Speaker 7: put feathers in bottles in at least three locations. We
Speaker 7: took them under rocks, so the chances that anybody finding
Speaker 7: it in a crevice in a big rock is like
Speaker 7: zero nobody can get there. Plus you'd never find it. Yeah,
Speaker 7: we went back at least on the third time. Alan
Speaker 7: went in there and to grab the bottle and what
Speaker 7: did he find.
Speaker 8: So the bottle was laying down, which was the first
Speaker 8: time we'd seen it move, and the feathers that were
Speaker 8: in the bottle were gone. I think there was one
Speaker 8: feather in that bottle. Yeah, so we knew something of
Speaker 8: hands had to have picked the bottle up turned upside
Speaker 8: down to get the feather out. So I'm looking around
Speaker 8: and right below it in this rock structure, there's a
Speaker 8: crack in the rocks, and that feather's stuck down in
Speaker 8: there in a place that's hidden, but in a place
Speaker 8: where I would find it. We knew something was out
Speaker 8: there messing around with us and things like that.
Speaker 7: Way at least, yeah, but when but then the most
Speaker 7: startling thing happened. This is probably even August, and we
Speaker 7: went back up there in November mutually a deer been
Speaker 7: dropped at our gifting site. It just been dropped. It
Speaker 7: wasn't dragged. Well, we get that freaked his out the least.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And there was there was no head and there
Speaker 8: was clean breaks in the in in all the all
Speaker 8: the legs, and and then we noticed that the hind
Speaker 8: quarters looks like it had been a hole cut in it,
Speaker 8: and it looked like some stuff was missing, like organs
Speaker 8: or something. If you stood right where the deer was,
Speaker 8: you'd be looking directly at where the bottle was. It
Speaker 8: was with in five or six feet of where our
Speaker 8: gifting site was. And like Ron said, it was there
Speaker 8: as shrubs all around it, and none of those shrubs
Speaker 8: were disturbed at all. There was no broken little branches
Speaker 8: on them, There was no drag marks anywhere. There was
Speaker 8: no blood. Even though an entire head of an animal
Speaker 8: was removed. It was, like Ron said, almost like it
Speaker 8: was just mutilated somewhere else and just dropped out of
Speaker 8: the sky right there right it X marks the spot
Speaker 8: which just.
Speaker 7: Remember this week wilderness too. So we decided to do
Speaker 7: two things. We took readings and we could document that
Speaker 7: there was high magnetic fluctuations in a dome shape. Then
Speaker 7: we set up our trail cam on the site, and
Speaker 7: then we came back maybe two to three weeks later,
Speaker 7: looked on our trail cam and we got to ordinary
Speaker 7: animals bobcats, coyotes.
Speaker 8: And day and night videos and everything working fine, and
Speaker 8: then there was maybe three or four clips that were
Speaker 8: just white static. We've had that trail camera for about
Speaker 8: eight years or so and we use it all the time,
Speaker 8: and I've never seen that before. So we took those
Speaker 8: clips and Ron took back to his video specialist as
Speaker 8: editor back at the office, who did some color tweaking
Speaker 8: and inverted the whites to darks and we were able
Speaker 8: to pull out a couple things. So we noticed there's
Speaker 8: some movement in there, so we really wanted to hone
Speaker 8: in on what was in there. The first thing that
Speaker 8: we noticed was you could see the dome shape in
Speaker 8: the static. There's actually a darker dome within the static.
Speaker 8: Once we inverted it and that darker part became lighter,
Speaker 8: you could really see it there. And then there were
Speaker 8: these two with movement. They were in and out of
Speaker 8: the frame. We could see how they moved to little creatures.
Speaker 7: One looked like the baby frontosaurs and the other was
Speaker 7: some sort of a weird cat pig type animal. Came
Speaker 7: out of the to say we got that on camera.
Speaker 8: Yeah, all of a sudden, on the one side of
Speaker 8: the screen, this long neck comes out, looks around and
Speaker 8: then a little bit of the body and then it
Speaker 8: goes off the side of the camera again and it
Speaker 8: looks like a bronosaurus that you could hold in your hands,
Speaker 8: maybe only about that big, but with this really long neck.
Speaker 8: It's just I don't know, I don't know what's what
Speaker 8: we turn loose up there?
Speaker 7: But that started a gifting site.
Speaker 4: What do you do with that?
Speaker 1: So let's talk about your latest film project. I know
Speaker 1: you guys have been working on some things. You got
Speaker 1: a new film out. I don't know who wants to
Speaker 1: take this first, but let's talk about the new film project.
Speaker 1: Talk about what people can expect when they check it out.
Speaker 1: Where can they find it? What you guys have going on.
Speaker 7: It's called the Mysteries a Bigfoot. By this time, being filmmakers,
Speaker 7: we know all the players in an expedition Bigfoot and
Speaker 7: so on. And so it starts out with I asked
Speaker 7: Ronnie Lewalk and Bobo, what did you see that the
Speaker 7: showrunners wouldn't let you put in the series?
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back after these messages.
Speaker 7: And they both described paranormal things that they captured but
Speaker 7: they could not put them in because if they did,
Speaker 7: you would be running around hunting for a hairy animal anymore.
Speaker 7: The movie is called The Mystery is a Bigfoot in
Speaker 7: the chronicles things that like we've been talking about that
Speaker 7: are impossible, but also a number of the major players
Speaker 7: who had a shift, like Allen had a shift. I
Speaker 7: never made that shift because I had no preconceived motion
Speaker 7: what this was one way or another. Well, you know
Speaker 7: like lild Blackburn changed for example. Do you know who
Speaker 7: he is?
Speaker 1: I do have had Lyle on the show in the past, Yes.
Speaker 7: Nick Redford, he's always been in the paranormal camp. And
Speaker 7: we got Colonel John Alexander, who was one of the
Speaker 7: first investigators up there at Nut Branch on about Skinwalker
Speaker 7: r Skinwalker Ranch, and he talks about the early settings
Speaker 7: of Bigfoot up there. So it's a clutch of things
Speaker 7: that we say are impossible. But the preposition is that
Speaker 7: of somehow Bigfoot has a kind of terial existence in
Speaker 7: a non material exist readily go back and forth between
Speaker 7: the two. That's the hypotheses. Of course, that's impossible. So
Speaker 7: what we're saying is that you got to see is
Speaker 7: that going on any other place? And if you started
Speaker 7: looking at phenomenal like UAPs saying stuff things that are impossible,
Speaker 7: they move at speeds and so on that are impossible.
Speaker 7: We're now aways seeing the footage of you look at
Speaker 7: all the stuff that's investigated with telekinesis healings and so on.
Speaker 7: That's all impossible. There's all domain and impossible things that
Speaker 7: have been encurren since recorded time. Jesus had a near
Speaker 7: death experience, and people who have near death experiences and
Speaker 7: now talk about leaving their body, coming back, finding another world,
Speaker 7: and then coming back into their body, which is well
Speaker 7: documented now. So these things are all really impossible in
Speaker 7: our normal way of voting things, and Bigfoot is one
Speaker 7: of those. But you want to say anything more about
Speaker 7: the movie, Yeah, I.
Speaker 8: Say about Ron Morehead and more importantly his transition from
Speaker 8: being the guy that got the Bigfoot sounds to now
Speaker 8: he's seeing what I missed when I had the opportunity,
Speaker 8: and the things that I know now I wish I
Speaker 8: knew then. And we also talked to Scott Nelson, who
Speaker 8: did all the analysis on those sounds, and how he
Speaker 8: talks about how he believes there's language there. I know
Speaker 8: a lot of this has been out there and things
Speaker 8: but we put it together in a different way with
Speaker 8: a little different lens, trying to give you a picture
Speaker 8: on how a lot of these people that you know
Speaker 8: and you've been following for years think differently now. So
Speaker 8: it might be time for you to at least open
Speaker 8: your mind up to the possibility that it's going to
Speaker 8: be what it is. And you can't tell Bigfoot to
Speaker 8: be an undiscovered primate if it's not, so you've got
Speaker 8: to accept what it ends up being, whatever that is.
Speaker 7: But we're not saying that when the people have these experiences,
Speaker 7: it felt since a rods throne actually seeing something. I
Speaker 7: think they actually had their experiences. They're not making it
Speaker 7: up the majority.
Speaker 8: Sure, these are all real experiences. They're just different experiences.
Speaker 8: There's so many varieties of them out there now. Like
Speaker 8: we've mentioned a little bit before, some of these are
Speaker 8: now happening all the same time. Where you see Bigfoot
Speaker 8: in weird lights in the sky or in the woods
Speaker 8: or whatever. It's just undeniable that there's a lot of
Speaker 8: weird stuff going on out there.
Speaker 3: As are depicting the mysterious creature known as Bigfoot grows
Speaker 3: in popularity. Research around the nature of Bigfoot has been changing,
Speaker 3: changing from looking for an elusive hominid or grade aid
Speaker 3: to looking for evidence that Bigfoot is something alien or paraphysical.
Speaker 3: Even the stars of the two best known Bigfoot series
Speaker 3: on television, Animal Planets Finding Bigfoot and The Travel Channel's
Speaker 3: Expedition Bigfoot, told us that they know, but we're not
Speaker 3: allowed to show in their series that Bigfoot is something
Speaker 3: beyond the reach of consensus signs.
Speaker 10: It was about a five minute deal where we were.
Speaker 10: We caught something on the floor. It was very very large,
Speaker 10: two or three times the size of a person. And
Speaker 10: then in time something much smaller, about the size of
Speaker 10: a person, walked up to it, and then the smaller
Speaker 10: one continued on behind it and up the hill, and
Speaker 10: we've got all recorded on therm.
Speaker 9: We don't know what it is.
Speaker 5: I've seen oars out there, and I've been squatching. I
Speaker 5: was actually with Renee, who on the show as a skeptic,
Speaker 5: and she was standing right there with the whole production
Speaker 5: crew were sitting there watching these two arms just bounce
Speaker 5: along and ended up.
Speaker 9: We measured it later.
Speaker 5: There are seventy feet from us going walking pace, and
Speaker 5: the natives tell me that when they travel sometimes and
Speaker 5: so they travel in their spirit form and second ball
Speaker 5: light and they may or may not still like the
Speaker 5: people say they are cloaked or whatever. I don't know
Speaker 5: if that's what's going on, but I'm open to it
Speaker 5: for or the Native.
Speaker 11: Americans talk about them having sassofage, having one foot in
Speaker 11: the physical realm one foot in the spiritual realm, and
Speaker 11: people are experiencing these things kind of phasing into our
Speaker 11: reality and phasing out, and people also talking about them
Speaker 11: having this ability to cloak ability visible and we've experienced
Speaker 11: this on the show Expedition Bigfoot. I believe we captured
Speaker 11: footage of this. And what's amazing and what was edded
Speaker 11: out of the leave the show from the network is
Speaker 11: me talking to it and saying, we know you're up there,
Speaker 11: show yourself, and moments later it walks across. We can't
Speaker 11: see anything. Our flashlights create this shadow like puppet on
Speaker 11: the rock wall, and the shadow on that rock wall
Speaker 11: I see hair. And it walked like the parison give
Speaker 11: Wind film for like four or five steps and then
Speaker 11: just disappears.
Speaker 3: Join us as we explore the possibility of Bigfoot stool
Speaker 3: nature no pun intended with one foot in the physical
Speaker 3: realm and the other in the supernatural realm, a dual
Speaker 3: existence reflecting our own physical and immortal nature. As for
Speaker 3: hard evidence of Bigfoot's presence, researchers point to the thousands
Speaker 3: of casts of footprints and unusual tree structures such as
Speaker 3: these that are sad could only be achieved by extra
Speaker 3: human strength and manipulation.
Speaker 5: And they're like we'll wrapped around.
Speaker 3: Another big part of the traditional search for Bigfoot has
Speaker 3: been to interact with the creatures through an exchange of vocalizations, cries,
Speaker 3: and whoops that are initiated by the investigators. Sometimes a
Speaker 3: reply is heard and even recorded.
Speaker 4: Okay, this will be the juvenile.
Speaker 5: Now, this is at about one o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 9: There's three of us and there's absolutely no one else
Speaker 9: around that we're aware of.
Speaker 3: One such recording was made by Tode Johnson at a
Speaker 3: paranormal hotspot called the Al Moon Lab south of Eugene, Oregon.
Speaker 7: You want to hear a Bigfoot sound?
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know if it gets better than that.
Speaker 4: I should standard at Moneymaker screen.
Speaker 7: That's from the Apple Order that's in the backyard.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 3: But for over fifty years, the most compelling evidence that
Speaker 3: Bigfoot exists are recordings of vocalizations recorded in the nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy recordings known as the Sierra Sounds recordings, captured at
Speaker 3: an isolated hunting camp in the High Sierras between Yosemite
Speaker 3: National Park and Lake Tahoe. The ecology of Moorheads Hunting
Speaker 3: Camp area was dominated by mixed coniferous forests of Ponderosa
Speaker 3: pine and Douglas fir, punctuated by granite rock formations and
Speaker 3: a mixture of mammals, including black bear and mule deer.
Speaker 3: A few years ago, the camp succumbed to a wildfire,
Speaker 3: but back in nineteen seventy one it was pristine wilderness
Speaker 3: when al Berry and Ron More had arrived. Immediately strange
Speaker 3: things beginning to happen.
Speaker 9: Pick for beans come around our camp site up thirty
Speaker 9: miles in the wilderness. By the way, I am maybe
Speaker 9: four hundred freet in elevations, so you only get there
Speaker 9: in the summertime. The snow it's not so bad, but
Speaker 9: it's times when we go out our shelter and me
Speaker 9: another guy just got froze. Froze, I mean you could move,
Speaker 9: not cold wise, just paralyzed. And that was strange. But
Speaker 9: that was just one of the strange things that happening
Speaker 9: here see lights and other things too.
Speaker 3: One of those strange things were vocalizations never heard before.
Speaker 9: My emotional reactions was not as fearful as you would expect,
Speaker 9: even though you were concerned. But we're all hunters up there,
Speaker 9: and we had high part of the weapons with us
Speaker 9: all the time, so we were wondering if they were
Speaker 9: come in the shelter at us or not. They were
Speaker 9: really making some aggressive sounds, so we didn't shoot at them.
Speaker 9: They didn't attack us, and they didn't come in after us.
Speaker 9: So we became a kind of rapport being built there
Speaker 9: and we started interacting with them and recording it and
Speaker 9: had those recording studied so they can't be duplicated. According
Speaker 9: to the professionals. Just listen to it. People say I
Speaker 9: can make us aund like that, Well no they can't.
Speaker 9: They can't step on it with those voices like we recorded.
Speaker 9: It's in human.
Speaker 1: Everybody, go check out the Mysteries of Bigfoot. I will
Speaker 1: link to it in the show notes. Thank you guys
Speaker 1: so much, Ron and Alan. It has been a pleasure
Speaker 1: to have you guys on. I've had a blast talking
Speaker 1: to you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you're good.
Speaker 8: Thank us a lot.
Speaker 7: Yeah, thanks Brian.
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