WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:01.600 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that 2 00:00:01.600 --> 00:00:03.879 I've been on for most of my life. Ever since 3 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:05.799 I was a kid, I've heard tales of bigfoot and 4 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:08.320 wild men while spending time with my friends and family. 5 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:11.439 As I grew older and read more about the paranormal, 6 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:14.679 my interest in encryptids and other things strange only deepened. 7 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.160 That's why I'm so excited to share with you what 8 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:21.640 I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The 9 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:25.280 Untold Radio Network is a live streaming podcast network that 10 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.359 airs a new show every day across all podcast platforms, YouTube, 11 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.119 and more. 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It's free to subscribe. 21 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:04.439 So what are you waiting for visit www dot untold 22 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:06.599 radionetwork dot com Today. 23 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:11.599 Open up to an odyssey you or there's something in 24 00:01:11.640 --> 00:01:17.519 the woods anatoty you what you're about to see you? 25 00:01:17.680 --> 00:01:21.840 Or there's something in the woods. Knock in the park 26 00:01:21.879 --> 00:01:25.560 containeer ride the ooman said, don't go outside. There's something 27 00:01:25.640 --> 00:01:26.920 near the woods tonight. 28 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:29.799 I hear rim knocking, shaking bushits. 29 00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:31.120 Footprints howling all my lung. 30 00:01:31.400 --> 00:01:36.079 Open up to an odyssey something in the woods. Hey everybody, 31 00:01:36.239 --> 00:01:37.159 this is Less Driving. 32 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:38.599 Yes, yes I know. 33 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:43.319 AKA Surviving Man and you're listening to Brian. That's watch Unison. 34 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:08.639 If he didn't welcome back to Sasquatch Hoops. Thank you 35 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:10.159 so much for being with us for the show. It 36 00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:10.840 is Friday. 37 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:13.639 I hope you're having them magazine week. We have an 38 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:16.319 awesome guest lined up for you. But as always I 39 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:17.919 want to start to shut me by and biting you. 40 00:02:18.919 --> 00:02:20.439 If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be 41 00:02:20.479 --> 00:02:22.560 on the show, shoot me an email you get me 42 00:02:22.599 --> 00:02:25.840 at Brian appearing Indeworldproductions dot com. Get head over to 43 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:28.319 the website, check out the blog, become a member there 44 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:29.039 and help. 45 00:02:28.960 --> 00:02:32.919 Support the show. We actually have two guests lined up 46 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:35.560 for you today. I've got Ron and Allen on here 47 00:02:35.879 --> 00:02:38.120 and they're here to start the first of a two 48 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:42.639 part series on this strange place out in Arizona known 49 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:46.840 as Bradshaw Ranch. It's been compared to Skinwalker Ranch. There's 50 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:50.039 a lot of bigfoot activity going on, some really strange 51 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:52.639 things that Ron and Allen have experienced out there. And 52 00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:55.120 in part two, we're gonna have Ron back with Mark 53 00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:57.439 and they're going to talk about the latest documentary that 54 00:02:57.479 --> 00:03:00.319 they've put out about Bradshaw Ranch. And I'm gonna include 55 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:02.639 some of that audio in both of these episodes for 56 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:04.400 you to allow you to get sort of a feel 57 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:06.240 for the film and what you can expect when you 58 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:07.960 check it out. I want to take a couple of 59 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:11.400 seconds here and thank Glenn from the United Kingdom. I 60 00:03:11.439 --> 00:03:14.280 opened up the show with the brand new Sasquatch Odyssey 61 00:03:14.360 --> 00:03:17.719 jingle that Glenn put together last year and he finally 62 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:20.039 got that recorded and sent over to me. He and 63 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:22.879 his buddy sat down and did a fantastic job putting 64 00:03:22.879 --> 00:03:24.879 that music together and sending it over. I hope you 65 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:27.199 guys enjoyed it as much as I did. Thank you, Glenn. 66 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:29.599 Very much for taking the time to put together that jingle. 67 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:32.639 It is awesome, man, I love it as you listen 68 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:35.199 to this. Right now, Danny and I are up in 69 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:39.879 Tennessee with Wayne Tiffany, mister Tiffany Troy, and a whole 70 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:43.039 group of amazing listeners. We're getting ready for the Smokey 71 00:03:43.039 --> 00:03:45.240 Mountain Bigfoot Conference. I hope to see plenty of you 72 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:48.120 guys out there this weekend. It is on Saturday in 73 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:51.479 the Convention Center right there in downtown Gatlinburg. I'm sure 74 00:03:51.520 --> 00:03:53.639 there's still tickets available if you guys want to stop 75 00:03:53.680 --> 00:03:55.680 by on Saturday and say hello and see all the 76 00:03:55.719 --> 00:03:58.520 amazing speakers. We'd love to see you guys at the event. 77 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:00.639 I will put the link for tis. It's right here 78 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:02.039 in the show notes. All you have to do is 79 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:04.439 click there and pick up your tickets right now. But 80 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:06.000 enough of that, I know you guys are ready to 81 00:04:06.039 --> 00:04:07.960 get into it. Ron and Alan are on the line. 82 00:04:07.960 --> 00:04:09.840 They're ready to go. All that's left for you to 83 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:31.680 do is sit back, relax and enjoy the show. All right, 84 00:04:31.720 --> 00:04:33.160 I want to welcome our guest to the show. 85 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:35.600 It is Ron and Alan. Welcome to the show, guys. 86 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:38.279 Hey, Brian thanks for having me on. I'm really happy 87 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:39.040 to be on your show. 88 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:41.199 Hey, thanks so much for having us. 89 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:43.600 Let's go to Ron first. 90 00:04:43.720 --> 00:04:46.920 Let's talk about this Bigfoot, the Sasquatch thing, the paranormal. 91 00:04:47.240 --> 00:04:48.879 What can you interested in the subject? 92 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:49.399 To begin with? 93 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:52.759 I'm a filmmaker, yeah, and I was hired one of 94 00:04:52.800 --> 00:04:57.759 the larger distributors of DVD's back in the day wanted 95 00:04:57.759 --> 00:05:00.680 to distribute me to do a series on and the 96 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:05.680 phenomenon Bigfoot. And this was back about twenty fifteen, having 97 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:08.040 to do this program. This series, it was a five 98 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:11.680 part series called Chasing Bigfoot. Many people have seen it 99 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:14.920 and it's available on all the streaming platforms right now. 100 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:17.759 And so I got interested. So I talked to a 101 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:20.360 lot of people that had experiences, looked into the history, 102 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:23.879 looked into the marketing aspect of it, went on some 103 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:29.079 Bigfoot hunts with people around the country. I went to 104 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:33.839 I think called the Bigfoot and Family Weekend at Allen Now. 105 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:36.319 My son in law puts out and that was another 106 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:39.560 way of showing the interest in Bigfoot. That group of 107 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:42.120 people come and they take them out and show them things. 108 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:46.240 And my daughter was very much interested in producing the 109 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:49.600 Bigfoot thing. And she met Allen and they say the 110 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:53.199 rest is history. So that was my introduction. But I 111 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:55.600 should be upfront, you know, I come from a background 112 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:59.959 of meditation and mystical experiences in martial arts, which is 113 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:03.759 just kind of siloed away from contact experiences like Bigfoot. 114 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:07.920 In UFOs. I saw the chance to possibly bring these 115 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:11.360 things closer together because right now on my hypothesies, if 116 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:13.480 you'll let me explain it, I'll do that later as 117 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:16.199 to why I think they're all coming from the same source. 118 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:19.519 So when I did this series, I got the idea 119 00:06:19.639 --> 00:06:23.759 that perhaps Bigfoot isn't a humanoid and isn't any grade 120 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:26.680 ape of some kind, because a lot of the descriptions 121 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:31.000 there were things that just could not happen described by people. 122 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:33.240 And of course there's no hard evidence in the sense 123 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:37.240 of a body or real good photographs besides the Patterson 124 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:40.240 Ginwood film, which is interesting because you can't prove it 125 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:42.319 one way or another. You can't prove it was a fake, 126 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:46.399 can't prove it through. So that was my introduction, and 127 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:49.800 I wanted to pursue the paranormal aspect of Bigfoot and 128 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:52.399 see where would take me. And now I'm sitting here 129 00:06:52.399 --> 00:06:54.120 talking to you about all this stuff. 130 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:56.920 Got love it. I definitely want to get into that stuff. 131 00:06:56.959 --> 00:06:58.639 Let's move over to Allan and talk a little bit 132 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:01.079 about your experiences. I know you've been involved in the 133 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:04.319 BFRO and you've had experiences, so let's talk about what 134 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:06.519 got you interested in the subject to begin with it. 135 00:07:06.680 --> 00:07:09.000 Let's move into some of the experiences and encamters that 136 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:10.000 you've had with these things. 137 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:12.839 Sure. Yeah, So for me, I was into the TV 138 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:15.639 shows and everything back in the day's sightings and those 139 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:18.680 kind of shows, and I got into the paranormal long 140 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:21.079 time ago. At one point, we were visiting my parents 141 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:23.439 who lived in the out Aroundeck Mountains in upstate New York. 142 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:25.720 Let's go find a bigfoot hotspot up there, and my 143 00:07:25.720 --> 00:07:28.199 buddy and go for a bigfoot hike. And we did that. 144 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:31.399 We had an experience up there that made us really 145 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:34.000 think there's something to this. We went back home where 146 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:35.879 I was living in the Cleveland, Ohio area. 147 00:07:35.720 --> 00:07:36.199 At the time. 148 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:39.480 We looked at bigfoot around there, and turns out Ohio 149 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:42.199 was a hotbed for bigfoot. I had no idea, So 150 00:07:42.279 --> 00:07:45.160 we ended up going down to this state park a 151 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:47.839 couple hours from Cleveland called Salt Fork State Park, which 152 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:50.879 is very popular with bigfooters. We met some other people 153 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:53.199 and there's a big conference there once a year, and 154 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:56.079 got hooked up with the conference and we started filming 155 00:07:56.079 --> 00:07:58.959 the conference, running audio video and stuff, and they trained 156 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:02.000 us and brought us into the so I worked with 157 00:08:02.040 --> 00:08:06.199 them and ran cases for quite a while, probably eight 158 00:08:06.279 --> 00:08:08.360 or nine years, and then eventually I moved out to 159 00:08:08.399 --> 00:08:11.160 Colorado and hooked up with Ron here and we've been 160 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:15.079 doing a different kind of filmmaking but still related to bigfoot. 161 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:18.040 I've had lots of encounters. It started in Ohio and 162 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:21.240 I had things happen there, Rocks thrown at me, all 163 00:08:21.279 --> 00:08:24.720 the classic things, noises, footsteps, stuff founding around the woods 164 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:26.759 and things like that. And then as Ron and I 165 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:30.319 started traveling the country and filming for our show and 166 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:33.759 for different movies, I started having experiences in all these 167 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:36.600 different states with different people, and for me it started 168 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:39.559 to add up that weird stuff was happening. But when 169 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:41.600 I started out, I didn't want it to be weird. 170 00:08:42.360 --> 00:08:44.639 I was looking for the ape like everyone else. I 171 00:08:44.639 --> 00:08:46.679 didn't want it to go this way. But I'm open 172 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:49.240 minded enough and with my sort of a paranormal background. 173 00:08:49.759 --> 00:08:52.159 I know when I'm being given something and I just 174 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:55.240 I refuse to ignore it. So I'm just going where 175 00:08:55.279 --> 00:08:55.960 things are taking me. 176 00:08:56.519 --> 00:08:56.960 I gotcha. 177 00:08:57.000 --> 00:08:59.679 I'm certainly right there with you. I have always been 178 00:08:59.799 --> 00:09:02.279 in the flesh and blood camp and remain there. But 179 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:05.639 I've always prided myself, particularly on this show. It was 180 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:08.519 founded on the basis of giving people a safe space 181 00:09:08.559 --> 00:09:11.480 to come and share their experiences. And we have had 182 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:14.720 a myriad of experiences, some almost five hundred episodes into 183 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:16.879 the show at this point, and there have been a 184 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:21.080 ton of different experiences shared over here that would be 185 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:25.759 considered high strangeness or the woo part of Bigfoot. I 186 00:09:25.840 --> 00:09:29.000 was a former police officer. I've always had that very 187 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:32.519 straightforward approach. I like to check boxes with things, and 188 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:35.200 we as human beings, I think in general we like 189 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:38.039 to put things in boxes. Police officers certainly do that. 190 00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:41.480 So it's one of those things looking into this subject, 191 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:43.960 I was always trying to check boxes with the Bigfoot. 192 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:47.480 So I would interview people. The Ure National Forest here 193 00:09:47.480 --> 00:09:52.480 in North Carolina is notorious for sasquatch bigfoot encounters. I 194 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:55.120 would interview people like Bobby comes to mind. Bobby has 195 00:09:55.159 --> 00:09:58.039 been on the show a couple of times several years back, 196 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:00.840 and he's had tons of encounters on his proper and 197 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:04.559 he would also have these weird experiences with orbs, even 198 00:10:04.600 --> 00:10:08.639 seeing what looked like alien craft, either before deering and 199 00:10:08.679 --> 00:10:12.720 sometimes after having sasquatch experiences. And I used to say, Oh, 200 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:15.879 that's really weird, Bobby, you're having those experiences. But I 201 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:19.519 don't think they're related. And I've always approached it that way, saying, Okay, 202 00:10:19.639 --> 00:10:23.279 you're having orb experiences and you're having big foot encounters. 203 00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:25.399 That's just a lot of weird stuff going on at 204 00:10:25.399 --> 00:10:28.559 the same time. But as I've continued on my journey 205 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:33.879 into this research, I have come to understand that in 206 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:36.600 some ways, I think those things may be more connected. 207 00:10:36.960 --> 00:10:39.799 Preston Dinnitt comes to mind. Preston Dennit is somebody that's 208 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:43.519 pretty well known in the UFO community. He's written tons 209 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:47.200 of books about UFO abductees and contact ease over the years. 210 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:49.559 The first time I had Preston On, we had a 211 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:51.799 great conversation, and I had a UFO experience when I 212 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:55.759 was sixteen, and it was a very close up experience 213 00:10:55.840 --> 00:10:58.399 with a large what I believe to be an alien 214 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:02.360 craft and start then. And even through other interviews I've 215 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:05.200 had with Preston, He's always said to me, Brian, everything 216 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:08.559 is connected. That always goes through my mind when I'm 217 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:11.759 talking to people who have these weird experiences in relation 218 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:16.600 to Sasquatch, what seems to be supernatural or paranormal experiences. 219 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:19.840 So I've always tried to straddle that line. I wrote 220 00:11:19.840 --> 00:11:21.960 a book recently. I take a stance in that book 221 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:26.039 of approaching this very scientifically and saying, I think we 222 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:28.639 have to take a look at both sides of that. 223 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:31.240 But I have chosen to get in this lane of 224 00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:34.360 it's a flesh and blood creature, but we have to 225 00:11:34.360 --> 00:11:37.039 pay attention to this other evidence. So I'm completely open 226 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:39.919 mind to that, and I don't mind being wrong. That's 227 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:42.159 one of the things about a theory or a hypothesis. 228 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:45.279 You have to get new data in and adjust that 229 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:47.919 based on the new data. If we stay stagnant in 230 00:11:47.960 --> 00:11:50.279 our beliefs, I don't think we ever get anywhere. I 231 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:52.399 call it drinking the Bigfoot kool aid. If you just 232 00:11:52.639 --> 00:11:55.320 think the same thing that's been happening since sixty seven 233 00:11:55.399 --> 00:11:58.200 is still happening today, I think you're barking up the 234 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:00.759 wrong tree when it comes to this stuff. You've had 235 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:04.320 experiences that were very what I would consider to be 236 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:08.159 a flesh and blood animalistic type of behavior, very similar 237 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:09.879 to some of the things I've experienced here on our 238 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:13.200 property in North Carolina. I've experienced it on expedition up 239 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:17.240 in Radium, BC in Canada. Have you had an experience 240 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:19.559 where you got to see one of these creatures outside 241 00:12:19.600 --> 00:12:21.360 of the rock throwing and some of the other things 242 00:12:21.399 --> 00:12:22.320 that you've experienced. 243 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:24.759 Yeah, I will mention I have had a lot of 244 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:27.919 experiences with the sort of flesh and blood tri type creature, 245 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:30.919 but over the last few years, the majority of my 246 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:35.559 experiences have been more of a metaphysical type experience, where 247 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:38.159 it's what I would call a contact experience, where I'm 248 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:40.480 having an interaction with this thing, but it's in a 249 00:12:40.519 --> 00:12:43.320 way that most people wouldn't think is possible. I'm not 250 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:45.679 saying like mind speaking things like that, but it's just 251 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:48.519 this transfer of energy and things that's really interesting. 252 00:12:49.039 --> 00:12:52.000 I actually had a sidi what he switched to his 253 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:56.120 family bigfoot weekend from Ohio to Colorado. What I do 254 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:59.480 is that come out there and do a meditation with people. 255 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:05.039 He hits at our resort in the mountains, quite vacacular site. Well, 256 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:07.399 when I was out there, this is a synchronicity. One 257 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:10.000 of the women was working in the gift shop said, 258 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:12.320 come on and I'll show you this tree and if 259 00:13:12.320 --> 00:13:14.799 it was a prayer tree, it's a tree that was 260 00:13:14.919 --> 00:13:19.279 modified by the youths to create medicine or create prayers 261 00:13:19.720 --> 00:13:23.679 and was verified by a huge shaman over the years. 262 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:27.799 After the meditation, I said to this group of people, 263 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:30.559 I'm always amazed that I can get into coherent to 264 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:33.639 one mindset. And I told him about this para tree, 265 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:36.600 and I said, we've had experiences in the past with 266 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:40.879 connecting with whatever spirit might be in the tree. Would 267 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:43.879 you all like to come and try this? And amazingly, 268 00:13:44.120 --> 00:13:47.320 thirty people said yeah, let's go do it in groups 269 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:48.919 of three of them would go there and put their 270 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:51.480 hand on the tree. Most of them would have some 271 00:13:51.559 --> 00:13:55.679 sort of experience. One young girl said she asked to travel. 272 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:58.679 Other ones talked about getting energy and all sorts of 273 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:02.840 things to alan. After everybody was done, why aren't you 274 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:05.879 and I go do this just to see what happens. 275 00:14:06.639 --> 00:14:08.679 We went and put our hands on the tree like this, 276 00:14:08.840 --> 00:14:11.679 and I had my eyes closed. Alan had his eyes 277 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:15.000 closed and he was on my left and opened my 278 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:17.919 eyes and looking if there wasn't a big foot standing 279 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:21.200 behind him. He was in the farmer. If you would 280 00:14:21.200 --> 00:14:23.559 look at that image behind you, I think it's on 281 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:26.600 your left side, but I'm not sure. It was like that. 282 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:29.919 It was a shadow figure. It was taller than him, 283 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:33.399 and my brain see something like that as one the 284 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:35.639 heck as that. I'm trying to make sense of it, 285 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:41.240 and at the same time Allan is waffling in and 286 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:44.399 out of existence, like in the old Star Trek transporter 287 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:47.879 when you're there and not there. And finally after I 288 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:51.159 get stabilized and I said, oh, this is not a hallucination. 289 00:14:51.279 --> 00:14:54.879 I'm actually seen this. I said to Alan, there's a 290 00:14:54.919 --> 00:14:55.960 creature behind you. 291 00:14:56.519 --> 00:14:56.720 Yeah. 292 00:14:56.759 --> 00:14:59.039 My answer was I know, because for me, I was 293 00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:01.279 trying to try and meditator whatever I am. My eyes 294 00:15:01.320 --> 00:15:04.200 closed and I started hearing these noises with my eyes closed, 295 00:15:04.200 --> 00:15:07.639 the tree branches snapping and water splashing, rocks flying around. 296 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:10.120 I heard all this crazy noise, but it just didn't 297 00:15:10.159 --> 00:15:13.200 make any sense. And then I got this sense of 298 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:15.360 a figure behind me. I could sense there was something 299 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:17.759 behind me, and in my mind I could just picture, 300 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:19.759 like the outline of it, and it looked like that 301 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:21.679 picture you have right there in my mind, and I 302 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:24.120 could tell that it towered over me, so I knew 303 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:25.960 something was there. And then when I opened my eyes, 304 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:27.720 as Ron said, there's something behind you, it was a 305 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:29.639 big foot behind you. I was like, well, yeah, I 306 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:33.000 can tell that. I look around and nothing's unusual where 307 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:36.080 we are. There's nothing there. So I feel like wherever 308 00:15:36.120 --> 00:15:39.039 all those noises were was somewhere else. I was somewhere else. 309 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:44.480 So pretty impossible, right, But here's two people, two independent people, 310 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:47.559 having to some except the same but different experience. 311 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:51.480 It's definitely one of those things that has always fascinated me. 312 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:54.279 You mentioned the mind speak, Alan, That's something I've talked 313 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:57.519 to people several times about on the show. I've had 314 00:15:57.759 --> 00:16:01.039 conversations with people like Todd Standing. I was out What'sid's 315 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:04.159 last October up in his research area in Radium, BC. 316 00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:07.240 I've had survivor man Less Stroud on the show. Unless 317 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:12.840 has described what sounds like mind speak or telepathic communication 318 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:17.039 with sasquatch on multiple occasions in multiple areas while he's 319 00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:20.039 been out in the woods again. I'm an Okham's razor 320 00:16:20.159 --> 00:16:23.159 kind of guy. I've talked about it plenty of times 321 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:25.480 about experiences I've had while on the street as a 322 00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:29.159 police officer in dangerous situations where I had what sounded 323 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:32.279 like to me something in my mind saying, don't go 324 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:34.039 to this side of the car, walk around to this 325 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:35.919 side of the car, and then I see somebody with 326 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:37.519 the weapon who was ready. 327 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:37.759 To shoot me. 328 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:41.000 I've compared it to that many times. So I'll ask 329 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:44.399 you both independently the same question when it comes to 330 00:16:44.480 --> 00:16:48.360 the difference in the flesh and blood versus these things 331 00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:54.919 being more metaphysical, possibly related to extraterrestrials. People see them 332 00:16:55.120 --> 00:17:00.519 and experience them often doing very mundane, very animal sort 333 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:04.039 of things. How do you reconcile that as far as 334 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:08.079 your approach to the research when people are having mundane 335 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:11.680 things like they're making tree knocks, or they're making tree structures, 336 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:15.400 or they're making vocalizations and those kind of things. Ron, 337 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:17.759 I'll ask you first, and then Alan you can answer 338 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:20.680 the same question. When you're looking at this from your 339 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:24.079 perspective of being open minded to it being something more 340 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:27.400 than flesh and blood, how do you reconcile some of 341 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:31.200 the very flesh and blood things like leaving tracks and 342 00:17:31.279 --> 00:17:35.680 hunting deer that people describe them doing versus them coming 343 00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:40.519 and going metaphysically or possibly being something extraterrestrial. Ron You 344 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:42.799 can take the question first if you'd like, so. 345 00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:45.799 I think almost all these things you would say are impossible, 346 00:17:46.279 --> 00:17:49.039 which is the character. The reason they show up for 347 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:51.759 mundane things is that they know now when people are 348 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:55.640 in deep meditation and they have these altered state experiences, 349 00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:59.000 whether they're a citing of a hairy creature or something, 350 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:02.160 the brain has shut down. The filter of the brain 351 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:04.799 has been shut down. Let me give you one example, 352 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:07.319 because I'm a filmmaker. We are at We had a 353 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:11.720 site in Arkansas broadcast Crystal Wine. Are you familiar without 354 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:14.640 at On? Maybe not. They have the tree structures there. 355 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:19.480 They have bigfoot tracks where Alan and some of the 356 00:18:19.839 --> 00:18:23.319 people there part of that thing heard wood Nunce two 357 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:26.599 of them. Where we're looking at the footage later and 358 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:29.119 they're talking about it. Alan says it's over here, coming 359 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:31.440 from here, and oh, yeah, that's right. Oh there's another 360 00:18:31.480 --> 00:18:35.160 one they're talking about him. That'd be a classic wood 361 00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:38.640 nun right now. Actually, I think they heard some howels too. 362 00:18:39.319 --> 00:18:41.880 When I got back and looked at the footage. The 363 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:44.559 film didn't pick up the wood nuns, but I can 364 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:47.200 see them talking about them and gesturing where they all 365 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:50.519 came from. So there's always some little tinge to me 366 00:18:51.440 --> 00:18:54.559 that makes it say, that's impossible. How would that be. 367 00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:58.000 They obviously heard them really loud. I can hear them talking, 368 00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:00.799 and I can hear them moving in the bush on 369 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:03.440 the footage, but there's no wood knox is there were 370 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:06.680 hallucinating wood knocks where there weren't they? In any case, 371 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:09.400 it's impossible. So how's that for an example? 372 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:13.000 That's actually an interesting example because that happened to me 373 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:16.680 up in Radium. Actually, I had recorders out most of 374 00:19:16.720 --> 00:19:18.240 the time we were there. Some of the things that 375 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:21.960 we heard with our ears, when I was sitting around 376 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:25.279 the campfire with Todd, Ashley, Kyle, and Richard that were 377 00:19:25.279 --> 00:19:28.799 there with me, wasn't picked up the way that we 378 00:19:28.960 --> 00:19:31.960 heard it in real time on some of the recorders, 379 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:35.119 and I thought that was odd, but I chalked that 380 00:19:35.240 --> 00:19:38.599 up to just technology. Maybe for whatever reason, the recorder 381 00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:40.559 was a little farther away than we were from what 382 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:43.559 was going on. But we at one point, I remember, specifically, 383 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:46.680 three of us sitting around the campfire, we heard what 384 00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:50.000 sounded like samurai chatter that would be akin to what 385 00:19:50.039 --> 00:19:54.000 you've heard in the Ron Moorehead Sierra Sounds. It sounded 386 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:55.960 like it was thirty feet away from us, just in 387 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:59.319 the woodline, and only three of us heard it. I 388 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:01.319 did catch which a little bit of it on the 389 00:20:01.319 --> 00:20:04.119 audio recorded. Unfortunately, Todd was doing what he does most 390 00:20:04.160 --> 00:20:06.640 of the time, which is talk, and he was talking 391 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:08.759 at the exact same time that it was going on. 392 00:20:09.039 --> 00:20:11.119 It was just a little bit of it at the end, 393 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:15.039 but we heard it distinctively with our ears in real time. 394 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:17.200 Some of the whoops and some of the other things 395 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:19.880 that we heard were not captured on either of the 396 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:23.920 two recorders that I had out. So again I'm playing 397 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:27.039 Devil's advocate as always here on the show. People who listen, 398 00:20:27.119 --> 00:20:29.599 I'm always going to do that. It's more of a 399 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:33.000 possibly something to do with the technology. 400 00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:35.119 I've recorded some really weird. 401 00:20:34.799 --> 00:20:37.720