WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:04.799 You see something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.599 What, What's gonna happen? 3 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:25.199 What? Let's go. 4 00:00:25.440 --> 00:00:28.199 We're back with another episode of Conspiracy Chaos. 5 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:29.480 My name is R. G. B. 6 00:00:29.679 --> 00:00:32.039 Joining me has always got my co host Florida Mike 7 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:34.119 and Area fifty one Anthony Woods. 8 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:37.159 Up, boys, fellas. 9 00:00:37.359 --> 00:00:38.479 What's happening? What's happening? 10 00:00:38.560 --> 00:00:40.039 Dodging boys out here? 11 00:00:40.600 --> 00:00:42.880 Yeah, I've seen the pictures today Mike was getting Mike 12 00:00:43.039 --> 00:00:46.560 was getting sprayed pretty good out there to down in Florida. 13 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:49.399 But tonight's episode, boys, we're gonna dive into the occult. 14 00:00:49.479 --> 00:00:53.439 Joining us here tonight from New Cult Rejas, we got 15 00:00:53.439 --> 00:00:55.240 our guy Nick and the headless Gihnant. 16 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:57.600 What's up? Boys? Appreciate you guys jumping on what's going on? 17 00:00:57.759 --> 00:00:58.799 Thank you for having us. 18 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:03.280 No, man, I've uh just came across your guys stuff 19 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:04.879 about a month and month or so ago. 20 00:01:05.480 --> 00:01:06.239 I'm sorry about that. 21 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:09.120 I know, man, I'm I'm missing out. But you know 22 00:01:09.120 --> 00:01:10.400 what the good thing is, I have a lot of 23 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:11.439 content to catch up. 24 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:13.400 On it, so it's uh, it's pretty cool. 25 00:01:13.480 --> 00:01:15.879 I was listening to Jamantria episode. I think Nick, you 26 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:18.280 were doing the Jamatria stuff today. I was listening to 27 00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:19.599 that one from the Nice year. 28 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:20.799 Oh yeah, that's awesome. 29 00:01:20.959 --> 00:01:22.680 Nice, thank you, Yes, sir. 30 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:25.200 Diving into that, that's always a fun topic because the 31 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:26.840 numbers can really anywhere. 32 00:01:27.519 --> 00:01:29.439 Well, let's start off with get to know you guys 33 00:01:29.439 --> 00:01:29.799 a little bit. 34 00:01:29.840 --> 00:01:32.959 How did you guys get into get into the podcast game? 35 00:01:33.040 --> 00:01:36.200 And what why did you decide to go down to occult? 36 00:01:36.599 --> 00:01:38.480 Hell, you want to actually take that first, because actually 37 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:40.560 I don't even think I really know your story. Listen, 38 00:01:40.599 --> 00:01:43.439 this is interesting for me. That's why I've been podcast. 39 00:01:43.480 --> 00:01:45.040 I've been the guy for three years and haven't asked 40 00:01:45.079 --> 00:01:46.680 him too much personal shit. I don't care. 41 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:51.439 I got edit because I was listening to people's podcast 42 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:53.519 like Nick over here, and I'm like, well, I should 43 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:55.000 I should be doing that too. I know a lot 44 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:57.120 about this stuff. I've been studying it since I was 45 00:01:57.120 --> 00:01:59.400 a kid, So you know, I got in contact with him, 46 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:01.120 I got in contact with a couple of other people, 47 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:03.640 and I just started, you know, sharing my own knowledge 48 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:06.599 about what I knew and all the stuff that I 49 00:02:06.599 --> 00:02:09.400 had studied, and they liked it. So I stuck around. 50 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:12.479 Nice Nice What about you Nick? 51 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:15.479 For me? I guess like even well, getting into the 52 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:18.199 podcasting community. I guess because of the occult was because 53 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:21.000 of me. I was in the OTO for about five 54 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:23.280 or six years and I had experience with that. I left, 55 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:25.240 and I kind of wanted to kind of, you know, 56 00:02:25.319 --> 00:02:29.960 cover my experience and talk about magic and occultism, you know, 57 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:33.000 in different aspects, like you know what it is and isn't. 58 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:35.400 You know, people are very confused, I think, especially in 59 00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:38.719 the conspiracy community, like they just everything's Dixon demons, which 60 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:40.919 it's not. So I kind of wanted to have a 61 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:43.800 show for that and to help people understand some of 62 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:47.120 the basics. And you know, I had a co host 63 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:49.719 that I originally started with lasted about a year and 64 00:02:49.759 --> 00:02:52.240 a half, found out he was a pathological liar and 65 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:55.639 kicked him off the show, and eventually, in looking for 66 00:02:55.719 --> 00:02:58.719 other people I had Headless suggested to me and here 67 00:02:58.759 --> 00:03:02.199 he is with me. Here's later if you go, yeah, yeah, 68 00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:04.000 I mean we have other people now, but still, I 69 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:06.120 mean he's he's been, you know, for a long time 70 00:03:06.159 --> 00:03:06.360 with me. 71 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:07.840 I'll tell you. 72 00:03:07.919 --> 00:03:10.240 The cool thing is about the conspiracy community, man, that 73 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:13.039 I've noticed over we've been doing this about we're almost 74 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:13.360 a year. 75 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:17.840 In February mid February the year for us. But we 76 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:18.400 also me and. 77 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:23.680 Anthony do golf podcast and the the support you get 78 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:25.560 on the conspiracy side of things, the post to the 79 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:27.800 golf side of things is night and day. 80 00:03:29.080 --> 00:03:29.840 It's so crazy. 81 00:03:29.840 --> 00:03:31.840 It really is like you get those country club guys 82 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:35.800 opposed to just some regular fucking people, and it makes 83 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:36.759 a big difference for. 84 00:03:36.919 --> 00:03:39.879 The conspiracy you know. What I noticed is the conspiracy 85 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:42.000 guys want to get their story out as well. They 86 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:43.800 want to they want to talk about it as much 87 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:47.520 as possible, whatever they believe in, you know, and uh, 88 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:50.879 golf guys kind of just want to. If you ask 89 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:54.080 a professional golfer to come on the podcast, good luck 90 00:03:54.080 --> 00:03:56.039 because they're out there golf in seven days a week 91 00:03:56.159 --> 00:03:58.039 practicing and they want nothing to do with you. You know. 92 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:01.039 So it's like that's kind of why I feel. I 93 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:03.439 think it's different for sure, but we get a ton 94 00:04:03.439 --> 00:04:05.759 of support. For sure. It's awesome we do. 95 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:08.199 It's pretty cool on the conspiracy side of things, But 96 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:11.080 what was some of the big like, what was the 97 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:13.800 reason you do you guys decided to go like a cult? 98 00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:16.600 There's a thousand topics and conspiracy side of things. You 99 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:18.680 could go what was the main reason you guys decided 100 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:21.560 to uh headless giant. You said, you've been you know, 101 00:04:21.639 --> 00:04:24.800 research research rate at your whole life. 102 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:26.800 What made you dive into it? 103 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:31.800 Well, first and foremost is joining the army. That really 104 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:35.399 sort of opened my conspiracy. Third eye is joining that 105 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:38.399 and seeing, oh wait, no, everything is really fucked up 106 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:41.240 from the top down. Everything is it really the way 107 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:44.040 that they say it is? And uh, you know, joining 108 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:48.000 this organization was probably a pretty bad idea. But you know, again, 109 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:51.319 if you don't have the good information going in, you're 110 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:53.360 not going to be able to make the right decisions 111 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:56.160 coming out. And that's the problem we've basically always had 112 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:58.959 as a species is whenever we're dealing with each other, 113 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:02.360 there's really nothing we can be one hundred percent sure about. 114 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:04.920 And what we find is that the more we dig, 115 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:08.439 the looser that ground gets, and the more we find 116 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:10.800 out that we've been lied to pretty much every step 117 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:13.279 along the way. So one of the things I focus 118 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:19.319 on mainly is supposedly a defunct civilization, something that went 119 00:05:19.439 --> 00:05:22.240 belly up back back in the two thousand years ago, 120 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:25.839 which was the Canaanite Phoenicians. Right, we have so many 121 00:05:25.839 --> 00:05:29.319 different Canaanite Phoenician influences in our lives today, but we 122 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:34.680 don't make that association because this empire is supposedly gone. 123 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:38.600 Is it really gone or did it just changed form? 124 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:41.480 So that's really what I focus on is the ancient world, 125 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:46.959 classical antiquity, in the conspiracies of the classical world, which 126 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:51.079 is a lot of them, and how that relates to 127 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:54.839 where we're living at today. And unfortunately, there's a lot 128 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:57.839 of crossover. And once you bring it up, people are like, 129 00:05:58.000 --> 00:05:58.800 I had no idea. 130 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:02.360 Yeah, And it's like when you bring up Tartaria. The 131 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:05.879 people like when you bring up old World, maybe think Tartaria. 132 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:07.439 When you bring that up to people, they look at 133 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:12.160 you like you're fucking crazy, dude, regular person. I was 134 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:14.439 just down in New York City about a month ago Friday, 135 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:18.279 go down to court and uh, I'm down there taking 136 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:21.279 videos of the courthouse just because of the structure and 137 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:22.079 the architecture. 138 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:26.040 Wow, right, twenty five foot doorways. I'm six too. I 139 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:27.560 walked through it. That just fine, you know what I mean, 140 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:29.759 Like it doesn't make sense. 141 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:33.120 Yeah, that was the same when I when I lived 142 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:36.360 in Chicago, you know, and you're going down Michigan Avenue 143 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:39.199 and you see these big, giant stone buildings, and you. 144 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:39.759 See like. 145 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:44.920 Today's architecture what everybody remembers, Like there's no way the 146 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:46.240 same two people built this. 147 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:47.160 Or you know, or. 148 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:52.639 It's just if the art and how they constructed things 149 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:56.199 were amazing. And that's why I love Chicago because of just. 150 00:06:56.319 --> 00:06:59.240 The buildings regular humans didn't build. 151 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:02.279 Well, it's mind blowing that they say that it was 152 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:05.519 all built from like the eighteen eighties to the present, 153 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:09.360 and like there's a lot more history that goes into 154 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:11.800 these Midwest towns than just the eighteen eighties, But it 155 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:14.959 seems like, uniformally across the board, from one side of 156 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:17.399 the country to the other, it's eighteen eighties is the 157 00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:22.439 build point for everything. And all these exceptional buildings that 158 00:07:22.519 --> 00:07:24.399 seem to pop up out of nowhere, they were all 159 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:27.680 built back then and they can't build them today. So 160 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:31.079 there's something strange going on with that whole connection and 161 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:34.439 with the roots of American history. And if I think 162 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:38.759 part of the problem is inflation, Inflation is like a 163 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:44.600 brain drain. So all of these magnificent pieces of architecture 164 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:48.240 are built with very special materials that cost a lot 165 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:51.319 of money, and when you inflate those materials out of 166 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:53.600 your price range, you're not going to be building the 167 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:55.560 same things anymore. In fact, it's gonna be a lot 168 00:07:55.639 --> 00:07:58.040 more basic, and it's gonna be a lot dumber. So 169 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:00.959 all of this really smart stuff is priced out of 170 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:04.120 our price range, and all the really dumb stuff is 171 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:06.879 the only stuff that gets built. So we're looking around 172 00:08:06.920 --> 00:08:10.480 thinking every everything is different. But you know, we've gotten dumber, 173 00:08:10.600 --> 00:08:14.399 significantly dumber just in the time that those buildings were. 174 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:19.560 Built today, and they did it was with less equipment. 175 00:08:19.600 --> 00:08:23.600 They didn't have the equipment we have today. Yeah, that's 176 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:26.040 I mean crazy. 177 00:08:26.360 --> 00:08:29.120 What guess me is was the World's Fair was that 178 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:31.000 around like the late eighteen hundred as well, And well 179 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:32.639 guess me is that they build those and then they 180 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:34.919 tore them down like it was like they're supposedly built 181 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:38.480 of paper mache, Like come on, like, I don't believe it. 182 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:41.399 They get produced any of the paper mache, are actually 183 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:43.759 showing any of the pictures, but they're like, no, these 184 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:46.720 were all just facades. They weren't real, And it's like, well, 185 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:50.440 you're just making assertions here, Let's actually see some evidence. 186 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:53.120 Let's see some receipts, but they're always light on the 187 00:08:53.200 --> 00:08:55.600 receipts and in some ways, you know, how how are 188 00:08:55.639 --> 00:08:59.159 they saving receipts from over one hundred years ago? The 189 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:02.039 other time, you think that dude want to keep better records. So, 190 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:05.200 you know, I'm conflicted on the whole old world thing. 191 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:07.639 But I know that there was more influence going on 192 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:10.759 pre Columbus than they're telling us. 193 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:11.679 He was. 194 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:16.480 Absolutely, his whole story is bullshit too, Bingo, you know 195 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:19.679 for sure, because the Moors were actually the first stories too, 196 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:22.840 I believe, and there's probably people before the Moors. 197 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:25.039 You know, even the Mormons claim to have been here 198 00:09:25.080 --> 00:09:25.559 before him. 199 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:27.519 No, the Moors. 200 00:09:27.679 --> 00:09:29.440 No, I'm just saying even Mormons claim to. 201 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:33.879 Have been here before before Christopher Columbus. Yeah, that whole story. 202 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:36.039 I mean, what we were, what we were taught in school, 203 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:41.080 ninety percent of it was lies. All the bullshit we were taught. 204 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:44.320 This is so crazy. Oh God. Ever, since I've become 205 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:46.240 a you know, in the last couple of years, really 206 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:48.559 I'm new to it. But I look back and now, 207 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:51.080 like I see my daughter coming home, and I mean 208 00:09:51.120 --> 00:09:54.519 she just learned about like, not not the details of 209 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:56.919 nine to eleven, but on September eleventh. They kind of 210 00:09:56.960 --> 00:09:58.759 like learned about the story and the history, and I 211 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:00.799 wanted to tell her. You know, it's like I really 212 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:02.759 wanted to tell her the truth. 213 00:10:02.960 --> 00:10:04.960 Did they saw her loose change nine to eleven or 214 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:05.360 they just. 215 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:08.360 That was good? 216 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:10.279 But I think I think you should still tell her. 217 00:10:10.440 --> 00:10:12.600 I think you should still tell her, like educator, slowly, 218 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:14.639 just let her make the decision on her own whether 219 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:17.919 she wants to believe it or not. But I always thought, 220 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:20.080 I mean, I think I was. It was eighth grade 221 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:21.639 going to the ninth grade when I found out like 222 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:24.080 school was bullshit. And they're like sitting there, Okay, you're 223 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:24.840 getting ready to. 224 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:28.120 Do the foremost important years of your life and they're 225 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:30.360 going through like the points system on how you graduate, 226 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:33.159 and I'm thinking I could literally fuck off for half 227 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:38.360 of the four years and still graduate on time, right exactly, 228 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:39.440 It's exactly what I did. 229 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:41.919 You know, we had the four by four schedule. I'm old, 230 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:43.360 so I don't know if anybody else had that. Let 231 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:47.759 us assuabilities down here in Florida did, and uh, I 232 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:50.080 just is. And then you go to college, it's the 233 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:53.120 same stuff, same stuff. You're paying hundreds of thousands of 234 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:54.879 dollars a year to listen to the same stuff you 235 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:55.679 learned in ninth grade. 236 00:10:56.240 --> 00:10:58.120 It's just, uh, it's all. 237 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:02.360 As how much of the math we learned, like all 238 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:07.000 the you know, geometry and bullshit. Uh what was the 239 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:11.799 other big math, like the eleventh grade massulus? How much 240 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:14.399 of that you're actually using? And the old saying was 241 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:17.559 you're not always going to have a calculator in your pocket. 242 00:11:17.600 --> 00:11:19.320 That used to say us back when we were nice. 243 00:11:19.399 --> 00:11:20.240 Now we do, you're not. 244 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:21.759 Can now look at us now look what we have 245 00:11:21.799 --> 00:11:22.440 in our pocket? 246 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:29.840 The world it's it, man, it's fucking craziness. Solato. 247 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:34.159 Plato actually complained that now that everybody was writing stuff down, 248 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:37.799 everybody's memories had gone to ship and before writing, everybody 249 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:41.159 had to remember absolutely everything, so they had much better memories. 250 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:45.039 So in some ways technology has had this effect on us. 251 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:47.480 It kind of makes us dependent and stupid. And now 252 00:11:47.480 --> 00:11:50.639 we're going into the age of AI. Follow that trend. 253 00:11:50.679 --> 00:11:51.440 That stuff. 254 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:55.320 A nail on the head because how many how many 255 00:11:55.360 --> 00:12:00.240 phone them numbers? Did you ever? I mean, I really 256 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:02.679 remember my wife's phone number if I need to know it. 257 00:12:02.679 --> 00:12:04.120 When I don't have my cell phone on I mean, 258 00:12:04.159 --> 00:12:06.519 it's terrible to say, but I know it, but I 259 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:08.960 have to kind of like piece it together, you know. 260 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:12.679 It's uh, it's terrible. Still, I still know my phone 261 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:14.559 number growing up, though my house or my parents don't 262 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:15.000 still have that. 263 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:18.240 I remember that ship. I remember that ship. 264 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:21.759 Yeah, yeah, man, it's crazy. 265 00:12:21.399 --> 00:12:23.320 But yeah, you could have remembered something on the fucking 266 00:12:23.360 --> 00:12:24.799 grocery list from five minutes ago. 267 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:28.000 I go to the store and forgot what I already 268 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:28.519 wanted to go for. 269 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:31.799 I always had my wife text me what we need, 270 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:33.279 just so I got it on the phone. 271 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:34.000 That's the move. 272 00:12:34.480 --> 00:12:37.440 I do look back now, and I mean it is 273 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:41.279 kind of it's not I was gonna say, you think 274 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:43.159 about those days, and I do miss those days, but 275 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:45.240 then you think, what would you do with it? I 276 00:12:45.320 --> 00:12:48.039 use the phone so much for just for directions, you know, 277 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:49.720 GPS ways. 278 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:50.720 Like just just basically. 279 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:56.799 But when you used to drive place, I mean we really, 280 00:12:57.320 --> 00:12:59.720 I mean so when we got our license back and 281 00:12:59.759 --> 00:13:02.320 what ninety nine two thousands, they oh they didn't have 282 00:13:02.440 --> 00:13:05.440 cell phone, so what did we really? I remember when 283 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:07.639 I went to visit my girlfriend, she was up at 284 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:10.080 Sagadaga Lake, and I mean her dad, it was her 285 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:12.480 dad's camp, and he gave me the directions and I 286 00:13:12.600 --> 00:13:14.679 was writing him down word for word. It was like, Okay, 287 00:13:14.679 --> 00:13:17.600 you're gonna see this, uh you know the sign take 288 00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:19.679 a ride five miles and you're gonna take a left. 289 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:21.919 And I'm sat in my speedometer, you know what I mean, 290 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:24.080 actually look and I got to get to exactly five 291 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:26.360 miles to where that road was going to be. I mean, 292 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:27.919 that was the ship we did. And then then we 293 00:13:27.919 --> 00:13:30.399 had MASS. I mean I remember looking at Mass from 294 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:32.679 New York City, got coming home from the baseball games 295 00:13:32.679 --> 00:13:35.159 and actually having Brad look at a map to get 296 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:37.440 us home. I mean, it's it's crazy how things have 297 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:39.200 changed in just thirty years. 298 00:13:40.039 --> 00:13:44.840 Yeah, technically, well let's let's get back to farking some 299 00:13:45.320 --> 00:13:48.639 occult shit here. So when you guys started diving into it, 300 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:52.840 did you guys start to notice like things standing out, 301 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:55.080 like once you knew what a symbol was, Like I noticed, 302 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:56.759 like I have an eight year old that much Disney 303 00:13:56.840 --> 00:14:00.000 movies or forever prior to her. But when I start 304 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:03.559 watching Disney movies, I started seeing symbols. I started seeing 305 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:10.000 certain things you've seen like on the the PF files 306 00:14:12.039 --> 00:14:13.960 board there you would start to see those symbols and 307 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:16.000 Disney movies. Did you guys start once you got into it, 308 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:17.600 did you start noticing symbols as well? 309 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:21.159 For me, I think like before I got it, you know, 310 00:14:21.200 --> 00:14:22.720 before I got into the Occult, that wasn't like a 311 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:25.639 conspiracy theorist first, and I followed a lot of people 312 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:27.159 that touched on the occult, which is what kind of 313 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:29.320 brought me into getting interested in it. So I like 314 00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:31.279 I already had that kind of an idea already. But 315 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:34.480 I will say like when I joined the OTO and 316 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:38.559 I got into that, I got heavily into, like you know, practicing, 317 00:14:38.720 --> 00:14:41.480 Like I took it serious. It became my life. And 318 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:43.919 I really wasn't listening to conspiracy podcasts. If I was 319 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:45.799 listening to anything, it was probably stuff to do with 320 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:48.039 magic or the books that I was reading, you know, audiobooks. 321 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:50.320 So I kind of like it wasn't really big in 322 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:53.600 the conspiracy community. But like once I left and came 323 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:57.159 back and started looking at conspiracy stuff and just had 324 00:14:57.200 --> 00:14:59.320 politics at the time, because I kind of left around 325 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:01.919 the whole you know, COVID thing in two thousand, I 326 00:15:02.120 --> 00:15:05.559 was like, Oh, this fucking shit is rampant it's fucking 327 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:08.000 all over the place in my face. I was like, 328 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:09.480 did I not notice this last? 329 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:09.679 Like? 330 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:11.039 What the fuck? 331 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:11.840 That was? 332 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:13.440 Even one of the reasons why I started the show 333 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:16.919 is because how I just thought it was so dominant 334 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:19.240 amongst politics at that time, and I was just like, Oh, 335 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:21.720 all these people are acting crazy out there because of magic, 336 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:26.399 fucking witchcraft and magicians. I was like, what the fuck? 337 00:15:27.159 --> 00:15:28.919 So yeah, I mean I definitely noticed it a lot 338 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:35.039 worse after that fact. So the ot is that like Scientology, 339 00:15:36.279 --> 00:15:37.960 I mean, I wouldn't look at it like that, but 340 00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:40.279 I mean, who knows. Maybe there's some sort of commonalities. 341 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:44.679 Uh yeah, I mean I guess. I mean Crowley was 342 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:48.120 he didn't know, I guess, the guy from Scientology. So 343 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:52.919 but no, it's a secret society that has the initiations. 344 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:57.559 It was originally Freemasonic and uh next question. Yeah, they 345 00:15:57.879 --> 00:16:01.399 Theodore rus and two other guys maybe they were Freemasons, 346 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:04.360 And at some point I think they read Crowley's Book 347 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:06.000 of the Law and they were like, oh, wow, you're 348 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:08.679 like talking about our stuff and telling our secrets, and 349 00:16:09.159 --> 00:16:10.759 this is the story. I know how truthful it is. 350 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:12.519 And then they got in touch with him and He's like, 351 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:14.519 I don't even know who you guys are. And then 352 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:18.000 eventually I think they met up and somehow they handed 353 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:20.879 the order over to him. He knocked out most of 354 00:16:20.919 --> 00:16:23.600 the initiations and dropped them down to thirteen which is 355 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:26.840 mineeruval and twelve other degrees, and he based it on 356 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:28.840 the Book of the Law. It changed a few things around. 357 00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:31.559 I'm sure esthetically inside the lodge the shit got changed, 358 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:34.399 or you know, whatever you place you're in a camper 359 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:36.960 or oasis, and it's a little bit different with that 360 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:38.600 where it's I mean you walk in. I mean one 361 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:41.000 thing with that you walk in, it's ceremonial magic in 362 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:43.559 your face. They would never show you that shit in scientology, 363 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:44.919 and if they're doing it, they're not going to tell you. 364 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:46.919 It's that, you know what I'm saying. So that's a 365 00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:49.159 big difference. I mean, you know exactly what's going on. 366 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:52.000 If you want to practice magic and ceremonial magic, that's 367 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:53.440 the only reason you're going to go to that place. 368 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:55.720 I can't see how any other reason you go there 369 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:58.320 'll find out about it unless that's what you were into. 370 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:01.399 Too familiar with the oto at all. 371 00:17:01.480 --> 00:17:05.079 So yeah, it's uh, it's based on Aliston Crowley's like 372 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:07.720 the Lea mcmagic and his ideas. I wasn't a huge 373 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:10.720 fan of him. It was the only order like that 374 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:12.559 that was close to me, so that was the reason 375 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:14.960 I joined it. I do think, you know, a cult 376 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:17.799 in occultism. He was a genius. I will give him 377 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:20.839 that credit, but I'm sure he was a degenerate. So 378 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:23.440 I mean I I joined that basically because I was 379 00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:26.119 starting to get into the occult started reading books, and 380 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:29.359 I even noticed discrepancies in books, like somebody was referencing 381 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:32.799 liber resh by Croley and I had libra resh By 382 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:34.720 Croley with me, and I'm like, well, how come you're 383 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:37.000 not doing it the same way It's in his fucking words. 384 00:17:37.960 --> 00:17:39.240 So I was like, I know. 385 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:41.160 I was like damn, I'm like even gotta worry about 386 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:44.759 this shit. So uh again, like the OTO was the 387 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:46.160 only place around, but I was like, you know, one, 388 00:17:46.200 --> 00:17:48.039 instead of reading these books, maybe I'll join the order 389 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:50.920 because most of these orders kind of have like set 390 00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:55.960 things that they suggest, Like like the OTO, most people 391 00:17:56.039 --> 00:17:58.720 there will suggest the less of managing ritual, the pentagram 392 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:02.680 and the hexagram types stuff. Maybe certain meditations now that 393 00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:05.880 stuff comes from the Golden Down. But uh, you know 394 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:08.920 they will. You know, they do like suggest like doing 395 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:10.559 that ship like as soon as you walk in. I 396 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:13.359 mean maybe not to extagrammar tool, but I forgot where 397 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:15.839 I was going with that. But yeah, the Oto like 398 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:17.799 has like their own like and then they have the 399 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:21.119 Limc magic where that's the rituals that Crowley wrote Star 400 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:25.960 Ruby or Rash. Oh god, I'm I'm forgetting. But he 401 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:28.319