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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is dk DK.

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Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Vic oh No.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for your time and for coming on. We

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appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: DK.

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Speaker 2: Please give us a brief bio on yourself.

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Speaker 1: Brief bio well, I am a father of three sons.

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My three sons, I have one granddaughter. I am sixty

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three year old, single married man because I'm estranged from

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my wife and I live in Missouri. I am most

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proud of the fact that I am a Christian. I

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live my life based on the Bible. I try to

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do what I think is right and pleasing to our creator,

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and that is first and foremost in my life. And

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I'm a graduate of Johns Hopkins University. I was a

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late bloomer, but I graduated summa cum lade with an

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award from the school for it's called Wall Street Journal

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Student Achievement Award. I am retired by default. Originally I

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was injured and went I was disabled, and then I

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was old enough to retire early and as a consequence,

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and so I have been now retired since about twenty

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twenty one or so, and I spend most of my time.

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If it's not watching YouTube or making a YouTube video,

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I'm probably out in the ministry one way or another.

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Speaker 2: You're a good man. That's a good way to live

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your life. It really is. DK. You used to live

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on top of a mountain in West Virginia, so you

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know your way around the woods in the mountains. With

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that in mind, what was the most frightening thing that

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ever happened to you out there while you're rooming around

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That wasn't dog man related?

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Speaker 1: That was not dog man related, Well, it wasn't necessarily

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in the mountains, so to speak. It was doing a

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trip to Montana actually to go camping. I walked up

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on me and my wife at the time with her daughter.

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We walked up on a grizzly bear with three cubs.

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And that was a very terrifying moment as far as

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when in West Virginia in the mountains once again, I

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was walking with my wife through the woods a familiar

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hunting area and a mother came running over a crest.

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It was her and a couple of cubs running behind them,

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and they ran across in front of us, probably about

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forty feet away, maybe less, but they were in such

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a rush to get away that they never looked that

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way without scary moment, because if she had turned and

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saw us that closed to her cubs, we probably would

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have had a major problem. And we weren't hunting. We

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were really just strolling, so there was no weapons on

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hand or anything.

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Speaker 2: Thank goodness she didn't see. I agree. What about that

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first month, though, how close were you to her?

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Speaker 1: That one was about we got as close, I says,

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I'd say about sixty yards maybe at the most. And

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what it was we had gone fishing and early morning

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and out there everything's spread out in big so we

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walked across somebody's ranch to get down to the river,

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and I think it's the Boulder River. I think that's

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what it's called. It's clear, it was very clear, you

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could see the fish. And on the way down, since

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it was so early, probably about six in the morning,

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six thirty in the morning or so, we walked by

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and on a sandbar and I heard a growl, a

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little growl, and I told my wife, who was west

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Virginia all her life. I didn't originate from West Virginia.

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I said, I just heard a bear growl. And she said,

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you didn't he know bear grow You heard a far

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backfire up on the road. I was like, no, No,

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I heard a bear growl. Because we had stopped at

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a place where you could actually look at a couple

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grizzly bears. And at that place where you could look

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at them, they were kind of down in a pit,

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so to speak. They had a plaque where you could

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read the plaque and you could learn different behaviors of

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the bear. And one of the behaviors that had that

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I recall was this the feeling of the they're getting

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disturbed by your presence. And so what I think happened

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was we walked by, We walked by where they were

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bedding down, and she growled a little bit, but we

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walked down and kept fishing. It was three of us, me,

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my wife at the time, and her daughter, and we walked,

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oh maybe a quarter mile to a half mile down

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fishing down the river. And then it was on the

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way back when we were kept coming back that I

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saw the grizzly bear and it just so happened on

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the way down. While we were fishing, I broke my line,

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so I had to sit on a fallen tree. It

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was a fallen tree where I had to sit down.

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I didn't have to bend my knees a whole lot.

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I'm about six feet tall. And I looked down in

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the bank while I was putting my fishing line on,

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and I saw a track. And then I called my

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wife at the time over and I said, look at that.

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I said, you think I still heard a truck because

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I showed her the bear's print and it was you know,

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it hadn't been there very long, probably from the day before,

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well after we went fishing. We were coming back and

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at that same tree that I had sat on, I

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saw the wind catch fur. The grizzly had her back

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to us, and that seat that I sat down on.

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Her back went above it by at least a couple

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of feet, and the wind caught her hair, her fur,

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and I said, oh, expletive one s word. And my

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wife jumped around wit what she thought it was snakes,

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because that was one of the other cautions. And I said, no,

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don't you see it? And I pointed and it was

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the mother of her back. The wind had caught the

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backside of the grizzly bear, and about that time she

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raised her nose up and started sniffing the air. And

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then after noticing her, I noticed her cub. There was

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three cubs, but there was one cub looking at us.

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It still had the white collar, but it was still

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a grizzly cub, so it probably outweighed me. It wasn't little,

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but it looked at us real curiously. And that's when

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I got scared, more so than ever, because we were

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too close to that grizzly in her cubs, and I

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knew that if that cub made any type of sound

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that wasn't appropriate for seeing us, that we were really

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going to have to pay for that. And so we

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ended up having to cross the river at my chest height.

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I lost my favorite knife doing that, and I'm pulling

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her behind. She's only five foot two and her daughter's

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probably not quite that yet, and I'm pulling them behind

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getting across that river. And then when we got to

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the other side, it was a bank. You couldn't just

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walk out like you could walk in on the side

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that we went in on, and so I had to

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lift them out of the water or first. And the

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whole time I was so afraid to hear a splash

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because where we crossed it was only maybe twenty five

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feet thirty feet maybe to cross, but it was deep

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my chest height. I was so afraid to hear the

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mother crashing and come after us. But I had to

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lift them out first, and then I got out myself.

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And it just so happened that apparently one of the

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homeowners had cut a four foot wide path through these

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very high reeds that lined the river bank in that area,

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and bears were known to bed in there too, and

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so it was like, where do we go from here?

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So we just said, I told them, I said, we're

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just going to follow this trail, and so we followed

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it and we didn't encounter any more bears, and it

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took us right into the backyard of one of the

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local residents's homes that they had made a path for

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them to get to the river. And so that was

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a very scary moment. That was the scariest moment I've

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ever had when it comes to impending danger, I guess

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I'll call.

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Speaker 2: It thank goodness you made it out of that in

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one piece. I hate to hear that you lost your

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favorite knife, but by getting out of there, you avoided

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losing something a heck of a lot more important, So

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thank goodness for that.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. If you've had a dogman encounter that you

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dot com. All right, DK, please tell us about your

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dog mean encounter. Now give us ever last detail that

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comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: My dogman encounter happened, well, my initial dog man related

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her happened while my current wife and I went to

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James A. Reed National Wildlife Preservation here in Missouri. It's

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in the town called Least Summit, Missouri. And we had

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our dog Lady, she's an American pit a sweetheart except

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for other dogs, and a little docs and named Cinnamon.

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And they used to love to run, and we'd go

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there and let them run and take walks, and a

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couple times maybe have a picnic or so. And this

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day we decided to walk in another section of it.

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we decided to walk in a different section of it

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because it's huge, just like three thousand plus acres, and

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we had been there frequent enough, and we were just

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finding another place to go, and we preferred to go

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places where people weren't hanging out or fishing or anything

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like that. So we walked through somes and some trails

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through the woods to get this side of the bank

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that we ended up on. And while we were walking,

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I came across an area where there had been some disturbance.

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You could tell there had been some type of major disturbance.

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But at the same time, what really caught my eye

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was a gigantic wolf print. And by gigantic, I mean

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I did the research on it and I measured it

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and everything after getting home by comparing it to my

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foot and it was six and a half to seven

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inches long of a print. Well, that wasn't all. When

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we made it over to another section was kind of

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like a small peninsula that came out and it was

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on the other side of this lake pond. It's hard

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to describe which one it is because it's big but

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not that big, and small but not that small. And

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there was an area where a little peninsula came out

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about I don't know, maybe about ten feet wide. It

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went out into the water about maybe twenty twenty five feet,

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and I walked out there because I saw a deer carcass.

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And there was a deer carcass there, and it was

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pretty much stripped down to the bones, but it had

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still left on one of its feet. Its hoof was

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still there, and some fur was still there up from

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the hoof, probably about six or seven inches of undisturbed fur.

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But the rest of it was cleaned out. And I

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looked at that and I thought, who brought this here?

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To eat it? And clean it out? Is what my

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thought was. And as I turned around the walk away

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from it, I saw a spent shotgun shell, which I

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thought was odd because I'm not aware that there's hunting

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there because of its proximity to residences. I don't know

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if any of the edges or five hundred feet from

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a home or not. But what I do now is

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we were walking in a different area, so I brought

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my dog over to put her print in it to

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see a comparison. It was no comparison whatsoever. Her prints

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were probably only about an inch and a half or

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two at best. And I took pictures of it as well,

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and I took that information home, and I looked up

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large dog prints, I looked up wolf prints. The biggest

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wolf print I came across was the Alaskan wolf print,

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and it did not measure up to the size of

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the one that I encountered on the side of this

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on or lake where all the disturbance was. And my

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impression was that it had been a kill zone. That's

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how that's how I saw it. I'm familiar with the

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woods where you get a lot of tracks, maybe around water,

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and you can see, you know, maybe deer hoof prints

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or something where they come around and drink the water

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or graze or just hang out a little bit. It

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wasn't that it was. It was a war zone. And

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what stood out most was that gigantic print that I

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took pictures of and compared it to my foot as well,

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because I wanted to. I wanted to figure out what

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it was. So that was the initial encounter I had,

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but not long after that. And when I say not

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long after that, I'm saying within the same week. And

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it's like I said, this was in March of twenty

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twenty two, but within the same week, maybe just a

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couple few days later, or maybe a weekly at best.

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I was on the phone with some guys I taught

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conference with, and I tend to stroll around a little

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bit when I'm talking on the phone, and at least

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in this instance, and I decided to go out on

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the deck and of the sliding door leading from the

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dining area the kitchen. And as I was walking out,

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it was about dusk. It was getting dark, but it

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wasn't dark dark. And by that I mean if a

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person walked by. There's a park behind my home. It's

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a place where a lot of little softball kids practice

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and flag football. And then I'm on the field end

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of the park. And then to the left there's a

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water park where there's water, water things for kids to

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play with, and then chimes and climbing rocks, that type

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of a park. And as I was walking out the door,

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I looked and I saw a black figure. And this

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black figure what stood up the most to me was

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number one, its posture and number two its eyes. So

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I'll say the eyes first. The eyes were red and

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it gave me the impression of it was a red glow,

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I'll say, But like I said, it wasn't dark. It

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was dusk to the point if a person had walked

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where this thing was standing, I would be able to

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detect their clothing and the color of their clothing if

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it wasn't too dark, meaning the clothing wasn't too dark,

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I would have been able to discern those type of features.

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But this creature and I went out and marked it off.

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It was. It was about twenty five feet from my fence,

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and my fence is probably about fifty feet, no more

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than fifty, probably about fifty five sixty five feet from

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walking out my deck. My deck is elevated in comparison

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to the ground because the house is a bi level,

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and so walking out on my deck meant that my

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feet were probably at the five or six foot level.

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And I looked out and I saw this thing looking

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at me with the red eyes, and it was in

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a posture if you can imagine a superhero and a

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comic book, and particularly like a Spider Man, where they

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have one hand in front of their legs and the

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other leg is kind of stretched out while the knee

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for the one that they're resting their weight on is bent.

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So I got the impression of Spider Man looking at

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its posture, but I got the impression of Batman looking

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at its complete entity, not just because it was black,

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and I mean it was black. You couldn't you couldn't

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tell any features except the eyes and the silhouette more

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so than anything else. And it did have I say Batman,

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because your traditional Batman has a nice spiky ears coming

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up off his helmet there or headgear, whatever you want

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to call it, and this thing had something similar, and

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they probably projected up from the side of the head

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maybe two to three inches or so, three or four

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could be force stretching it, I'll say three and a half.

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But when I walked out the door, as soon as

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I walked out the door, I saw it, and it

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was so intently looking at me in that posture, and

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when I saw it, I immediately felt afraid. I felt afraid,

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and that's not common for me to feel afraid when

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I walk out on my deck, because had it been

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any other creature, I would have been more inquisitive than

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I would have been afraid. And I pretended that I

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didn't see it because I felt like I felt like

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it was related to how I started this first encounter.

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I said, I felt like it was related to the

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print that I saw, And I also felt like it

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was it was surveilling me, as if as if it

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had smelt me or something, and it came to check

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me out. I felt like it was checking me out,

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and it seemed very alert. The upper body was very erect,

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whereas the legs were, you know, bent one knee, other

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legs stretched out and in the middle kind of like

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the Batman thing, like I said, the spider Man thing.

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And I pretended not to see it so because I

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felt like if I if I let it know that

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I saw, then it would have to do something to me.

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I don't know why I thought these things, but I

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thought them instantly. And we're talking about the elapse of

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probably five seconds of me walking out, seeing it, turning

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around and pretending like I didn't see it, and going

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back in the house because I was scared. I immediately

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felt scared, and I also felt like I was being evaluated.

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That's a good word for it. I felt like I

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was being evaluated. And so I went back in the

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house and locked the door and walked away from the

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door and kept holding my conversation because I didn't want

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it to see me. And so that was a that

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was the actual encounter of it, and it was about

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it was at I'm a six foot tall person. I

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see people walk by that park behind my home all

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the time, they walk their dogs and ride the bikes

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they walked themselves. And it was definitely taller than me,

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without a doubt. It was taller than me, even just

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judging from the legs sticking out there. And if I

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had to guess, I would say if it stood up,

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it probably would have been spelled six and a half feet.

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I would say, I'm six foot, it would have been

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at least at least six and a half foot. And

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I do have a history of being a personal trainer

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and so gauging body type and things like that comes

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pretty quickly to me. And there was a time when

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I was a natural, competitive natural bodybuilder too, so so

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body consciousness is something that just comes naturally to me.

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And like being able to see a person in tell

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they're an athletic person or not, things like that, well,

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this thing was certainly athletic. It was it was certainly

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an athletic build and I just I was. I was

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amazed as well because of the red eyes. And I'll

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tell you why I decided to reach out to Vic

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to you, Vic is because I was listening to your

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show and somebody said they had experienced something in the

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same part that I was in, and so that kind

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of removed my denial. I guess of what I was

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looking at and when I was, what was I encountering.

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And there's something else that happened that is a bit bizarre,

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but it happened. And I don't tend to make up

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stories on telling the truth that happened, so hopefully that

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doesn't make me sound like I'm crazy. But I had

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a dream around this. All of this happened contemporary to

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one another. Just seeing the print, the things showing up

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checking me out my backyard, so to speak, and the dream.

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I got the feeling that I somehow dissatisfied it because

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I didn't give it enough information since I turned around

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and went back in so quickly, because I had a

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dream and it was a dog man in my dream,

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and it was it was being mean and vicious and

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trying to scare me. And initially I and initially I

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did feel a little scared. But then I quickly collected

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myself in this dream and I spoke directly to it,

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and I told it. I told this creature that was

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snarling and trying to be scary, and then, like I said,

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initially it was scary, but then I remembered, I remember

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who I am, and like I said in the beginning,

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I'm a Christian. I believe in God. And so I

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said to the creature in my dream, I said, you

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are just a creation and a creature, and you cannot

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harm me unless God allows you to. So you, Basically,

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I said, so you might as well just leave me alone,

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and it left me alone. That's that. I have not

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had any type of encounter since, although I will say

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after my first conversation with Vic, I had to go

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out to my car late at night, very late at night,

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when everybody's sleeping, and for the first time since that encounter,

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I felt fear. And that's not that's not normal for me.

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I'm not a scaredy cat by nature. I'm not Samson

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and brave men in the world either, But I generally,

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I generally, I generally feel fear when my mind discerns

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there's a reason to feel fear. Otherwise I don't generally

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feel fear, and when I saw that thing looking at

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me in the backyard, I immediately felt fear. I immediately

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sensed fear, and I immediately turned around and pretended like

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it wasn't there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you handled that pretty normally. Most people would have

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handled it the same way. As understandable. Why you did that.

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I'm wondering, though. It is one thing when you have

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an encounter away from where you live, but when you

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have it at home the way you did. What kind

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of alterations did you make? Did you stop going out

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anywhere near dark or did you continue to go outside

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after dark or close to dark.

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Speaker 1: I didn't make any major adjustments, I'll have to say.

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I did wonder how in the world, speaking to it,

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How in the world did you make it here without

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somebody seeing you? That was the impression I had. How

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did you do that? But as I thought more about

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it and tried to geolocate my home from the sky,

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it started to make more sense. Because there are patches

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of woods behind houses that are on the other side

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of the park. It's probably about two hundred yards from

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me to the other side of the park, and then

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there's their backyard and then the houses across the street

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facing those houses, but behind that those houses, it's more

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expensive woods, and I thought, well, that's probably why. But

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I never I didn't necessarily make any major changes in

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my behavior simply because of the location. I did still

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go back to James A. Reed, not as frequently, and

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definitely not nothing in the dark, not not late, but

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not as I didn't go as much, and I did

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become more aware of what's going on in the field

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behind me. I did recall one time there was a

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deer there and I caught it and with my MENI

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caught it with my sight, and I went round and

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got the flashlight to shine on and see what it was.

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But I didn't feel any fear at that time, and

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like I mentioned earlier, generally speaking, I wouldn't feel fear.

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I would feel curious because I have seen foxes out there,

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I have seen deer out there. I've seen one time

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a coyote. A coyote went right along my fence, actually

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on the outside of my fence, and right outside of

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my fence there's about a eight foot patch of grass

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and then an eight foot patch of tarmac where people

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can walk around this park and it's it's it's it's

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not perfectly symmetrical like a track at at a school

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or anything. It does wind a little bit in some places,

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but it's it's common for that, and so I maybe

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became became more aware, but eventually I just I just

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put it behind me, because after the dream I had,

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and I guess, like you, I guess you would call

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it a lucid dream, it was. It was bizarre because

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I knew it was a dream, but I also felt

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like it was not a dream, if that makes sense.

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I felt like it was. I felt like it was

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the dog man felt like I didn't give it enough information,

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and so it needed more information. It needed. I think

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it felt like I need to see if I can

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scare you or something. That's how I felt. And then

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in the dream, I told him, you can stop, because

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you're just a creature and you can't do anything to me.

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Let God let you. So when that happened, and in

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that dream, I was successful at making it leave me alone,

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I didn't have a reason to fear it anymore.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad you did that. And it's bad enough

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when you have an encounter and you're waking hours, but

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in your sleep when you have to deal with things

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like that, Yeah, that's not right, not right at all.

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Speaker 1: It was on the edge of a nightmare initially, like

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I said it was, it was scary initially, but like

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I said, I kind of I'm I'm an extremely faithful individual.

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I knew that there's a God. I don't think there's

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a god, and I also know that God's a source

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of life. Now. Of course, anything anything that happened to anybody,

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unforeseen occurrences can happen anybody any back of an accident

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and die, and you know it's nobody, nobody's real fault.

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But for this thing, I felt like it was evil.

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And by that respect, I say that you can't do

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anything that God lets you do, because, like I mentioned

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to Vic before, I have a history of having had

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to deal with wicked spirit forces and sleep paralysis and

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even even even seeing seeing them. Yeah, and I had

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a history of getting regularly attacked by what I perceived

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to be demonic And what made it stop was when

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I became a faithful individual and prayed for it to stop,

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and it did stop. And so that that's probably why

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it resurfaced in my dream. Because I'm of the opinion

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that the You know, if we believe angels are real,

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then we have to believe that demons are real, and

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they are. And if we believe the demons are real,

481
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,720
then we have to believe the angels are real, because

482
00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:23,400
otherwise why have the classifications. And if we believe that

483
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:29,079
God is real, then God has angels. And since God

484
00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:32,599
can't lie, He's told us that there is a Satan

485
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,599
who has demons. And if you think of the story

486
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,720
of Job in the Bible, Satan was interested in Job

487
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:47,720
because Job was a righteous man. That's why he wanted

488
00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:50,160
to go after him. And so that's how the demons are.

489
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,480
They want to go after you, and so that's how

490
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:54,319
I felt about all of this. They just they were

491
00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:57,240
trying to find another way to come after me, and

492
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,759
they failed, but not by any mte of my own.

493
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought that up, because that was going

494
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:06,559
to be my next question. I was going to ask

495
00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:09,000
if you think that maybe you had that encounter with

496
00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:11,239
it because it was there to test your faith.

497
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you.

498
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 2: Ever consider the possibility that that print might have been

499
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,760
left by one because it doesn't sound like you did.

500
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,559
Speaker 1: I did it, and it was it was at least

501
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:27,719
six and a half to seven inches long and maybe

502
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,679
four to five inches wide. But no, I mean when

503
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:38,039
I saw it and studied, I pondered it, and I

504
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:40,400
was I did listen to your show at the time,

505
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,960
and I wondered, but I didn't jump to that conclusion.

506
00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:49,280
And so that's the reason I took comparative measurements with

507
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,559
my foot, and that's the reason when I went home,

508
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:57,079
I did research because I wanted to. I wanted to

509
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:03,599
make sure you know, I've listened to dog encounters from

510
00:35:03,679 --> 00:35:08,000
an entertainment perspective, not necessarily from a cynical perspective, but

511
00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:11,679
from an entertainment perspective. But it's always something that It's

512
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:17,440
always something that happened to somebody else. It's not something

513
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,480
that you expect to find yourself in that situation. So yeah,

514
00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:24,880
my mind did think of it because it was so large,

515
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,199
but at the same time, I didn't jump to the

516
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,199
conclusion that that's what it was. I had to go

517
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,840
and do my research first, and then after doing my research,

518
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,719
I conclusively I went home and did the research. And

519
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,639
after I did the research, I actually did a video

520
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,199
because I do a YouTube channel and I'm not trying

521
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,159
to plug it really because I don't talk about dog

522
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:50,880
Man on my YouTube channel. But I did do it,

523
00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:55,119
and I did document what I saw and the research

524
00:35:55,159 --> 00:35:57,280
that I took to try to make sure what I saw,

525
00:35:57,639 --> 00:35:59,599
and I came to the conclusion that's what I must

526
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:02,639
have seen. Well, like I mentioned, all of this stuff

527
00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:07,840
happened contemporary to each other. So after going through that

528
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,280
and then walking outside, and there's this thing there that's

529
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,880
never been there before. And I love to go outside

530
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,119
and sit on my deck, and quite honestly, even when

531
00:36:17,159 --> 00:36:20,480
i'm inside, I often sit at the table where I'm

532
00:36:20,519 --> 00:36:25,760
looking out the sliding door at the park, and even

533
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,119
in the mornings, that's where the sun rises. So obviously

534
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:34,079
the back of my house faces east, and so putting

535
00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:38,719
that together became more convincing when this red eyed creature

536
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,079
is out there inspecting me. I mean, I felt like

537
00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:48,679
it was like saying, I'm checking you out. You know

538
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,280
where I'm, where I'm at, now I know where you're at.

539
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,360
I mean, I just felt like I was being surveilled.

540
00:36:54,400 --> 00:37:01,280
I felt like it was an investigation. But I also

541
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,519
felt like if I had given it my attention, it

542
00:37:05,559 --> 00:37:07,519
would have been it would have become maybe a little

543
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:10,519
bit more theatrical. Maybe maybe it would have done what

544
00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:14,119
it tried to do to me in my dream. So yes,

545
00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:18,239
when I saw the print, I considered the possibility, but

546
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:19,920
I did not jump to the conclusion.

547
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 2: Well, as you know, it's never a good thing to

548
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:27,280
jump to conclusions anyway, So I'm glad you didn't. When

549
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,480
you took your dog over to the print to compare

550
00:37:29,519 --> 00:37:33,079
her pauseize to it. Did she seem to be unsettled

551
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,119
or was she unfazed by that?

552
00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:42,639
Speaker 1: She listens, Well, they seemed to be, uh, undistracted. They

553
00:37:42,639 --> 00:37:44,760
were doing their thing. I just called her over to

554
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:50,800
make a comparison, because she was not unsettled. But then

555
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:56,519
when I take into consideration the deer carcass, it was

556
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:02,519
it wasn't a recent today even and plus it was

557
00:38:02,559 --> 00:38:05,920
so the print was so deep in the mud. I mean,

558
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,000
it was very deep in the mud, and it was

559
00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:11,360
still kind of muddy, but it was like muddy the

560
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:18,480
day after kind of muddy, and I didn't leave any impressions. Actually,

561
00:38:18,519 --> 00:38:21,599
I took my dog's paw and I kind of pressed

562
00:38:21,639 --> 00:38:24,719
on it to leave some print in the mud. But

563
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,159
it was enough to get some print. But as I

564
00:38:27,199 --> 00:38:30,599
was walking on there. My prints didn't do anything to

565
00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:34,119
the mud as far as a comparative death to this one.

566
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:39,360
And at the time I weighed about two and twenty

567
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:44,719
five pounds, and so if it was a dog that

568
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,519
made as deep an impression as that, I should have

569
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:52,760
made at least close to equal impression, even if it

570
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,360
was day after, because a dog would a big dog

571
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:01,840
would be nearly half my weight. So no, she didn't,

572
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,119
you know, they were busy. She just came over and

573
00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:06,039
let me do what I had to do to make

574
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:11,079
a comparison. Because I quickly went into scientific mode. I'm

575
00:39:11,079 --> 00:39:13,960
not a scientist, but I quickly went into scientific mode

576
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,679
to try to figure out what am I looking at

577
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:24,000
because it was remarkably big print, clear as day print too.

578
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,800
It was there's a lot of sliding and rustling going on,

579
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,719
but that that particular print was a perfect print.

580
00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: Well, that was a good find. Do you think the

581
00:39:36,519 --> 00:39:38,599
fact that you'd been listening to the show before you

582
00:39:38,639 --> 00:39:41,599
had that encounter or played at hand and you having it,

583
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,639
or do you think it was totally unrelated?

584
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good question. Initially, No, I don't. I

585
00:39:55,239 --> 00:40:01,239
don't think so. I do think that some kind of metaphysical,

586
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:07,519
beyond the physical related to these things. And so based

587
00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:11,239
on that thought line, yeah, it could be because my

588
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,760
belief system. In some instances, when you give something too

589
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,280
much attention like that, it's almost like inviting them to Okay,

590
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,800
you're interested, let me, let me, let me cueak your

591
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,119
interest some more. And so in that respect, yes, but

592
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,000
listening to the show, you know, I do believe there's

593
00:40:27,039 --> 00:40:30,119
such a thing as Bigfoot. I do believe. You know

594
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,639
that it's I don't have to believe it anymore. I

595
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,000
know there's dog Man now more than I know there's

596
00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:41,760
Bigfoot now. But like I mentioned, my life had a

597
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,239
lot of stuff like that involved in it. And this

598
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,039
is crazy and bizarre, but up to an including dealing

599
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:57,360
with literally seeing UFOs, literally seeing creatures that are not

600
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:02,440
from Earth. I almost sound crazy to myself saying this,

601
00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:06,719
but it's the truth. And so you know, I don't

602
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,079
think I had anything to do to the show, because

603
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:11,440
I found the show very entertaining. I believed that it

604
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,039
was I believe that the guests, most of the guests,

605
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:17,199
were telling the truth about their experiences because I had

606
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,639
such bizarre experiences in my life that how am I

607
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,599
to say that they're not having these experiences. But I

608
00:41:23,639 --> 00:41:28,320
found it entertaining as well, because that's what I find

609
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:33,360
interesting is like, like I mentioned, like Bigfoot stuff, I'm

610
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,199
not really into the drama as much as I am

611
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:41,480
to the realities. And so when it's a reality that's

612
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,960
being investigated, like Bigfoot, for instance, you know it's it's

613
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:48,440
it's all. It's a global phenomenon, Like I can't see

614
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:53,199
a conspiracy amongst a bunch of international people to conspire

615
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,360
to say that this thing exists. And now the dog man.

616
00:41:56,559 --> 00:41:58,480
You know, I never knew what a dog man was

617
00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:02,119
until I came across YouTube talking about it. Probably your

618
00:42:02,199 --> 00:42:05,760
show was the first one, and I found it intriguing.

619
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,719
I found it interesting, and I found it entertainment. I mean,

620
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,119
every Friday I was ready to go listen to my

621
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,760
Big Cundiffin dog Man encounters. But not once did I

622
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:20,840
anticipate that I would have a dog man encounter. I

623
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,280
didn't say that I didn't think it was impossible. It wasn't.

624
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,360
It just wasn't something on my radar. And like I mentioned,

625
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,360
what made me more convince is when I did the

626
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,880
video about it. One of the commenters commented about having

627
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,519
a similar experience in this area. But what really triggered

628
00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:40,239
me to just follow through with it was I was

629
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,440
listening to the show and then another person said not

630
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:49,920
just Missouri, not just Lee's Summit, but James A. Reid Preservation.

631
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,119
And then it was like, oh my, I need to

632
00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:54,480
share this. This is this is this is real.

633
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 2: I've said this plenty of times before. You never do

634
00:42:58,519 --> 00:43:00,480
expect to have a dog man the encounter until you

635
00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:03,280
have one. It's just one of those things, it really is.

636
00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:06,440
When you went out your back door the night you

637
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,039
had that encounter, did you almost instantly notice a lack

638
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:13,000
of ambient noise? Or was there no lack.

639
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:18,639
Speaker 1: Of ambient noise? I'm putting myself there, victor should I

640
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:24,800
remember I didn't give much attention to the noise. I

641
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,599
know that there wasn't a lot of noise. If there

642
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,760
was noise, it was coming out of my mouth because

643
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:35,280
I was talking on the phone and there weren't many

644
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,840
people around, which would make sense. I don't remember seeing

645
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,679
any people around, actually, and that makes sense because I

646
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,400
don't think it would show itself that way, especially if

647
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:50,320
it was. I mean, it was clearly clearly looking right

648
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,559
at me, as if it knew I was getting ready

649
00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:57,840
to walk out my door, like not like I alerted it.

650
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,880
It wasn't like that. It was like it was just

651
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,639
waiting for me, almost like it was waiting for me

652
00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:05,840
to come out the door. And so I can't say

653
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,920
that I can say anything about any ambient sound or

654
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:14,760
not because I was talking on the phone, and but

655
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,679
I did take in a lot fast by looking at it,

656
00:44:18,599 --> 00:44:23,639
especially how black it was. I mean it was it

657
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,159
was almost like you'd be watching a movie or something.

658
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:32,119
It was so dark and so black that you could

659
00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:40,320
only distinguish silhouette more than features. But I was talking

660
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,039
on the phone, and I got scared so fast to

661
00:44:43,079 --> 00:44:47,599
turn around and go back in because by that time

662
00:44:47,639 --> 00:44:49,719
I did connect it to the print that I saw,

663
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,039
so am I you know how fast the mind can work.

664
00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:56,199
In my mind, I'm thinking, oh my gosh, it found me.

665
00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:01,079
That's what I was thinking, because you know, I did,

666
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,800
like I mentioned, I did the video, and I had

667
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,480
come to the conclusion that I saw a dog man print.

668
00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:10,719
I couldn't I couldn't put it anywhere else, especially where

669
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,039
I live. Now, if I lived in Alaska, I would say, well,

670
00:45:14,039 --> 00:45:15,840
I could get away with saying well, that was a

671
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,920
huge Alaskan wolf print. But I don't live in Alaska.

672
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,960
I live in Missouri, and so I had resolved to

673
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,719
the fact that wow, along with the deer carcass and

674
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,760
it was clean. Whoever ate it ate it good, which

675
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,599
meant if it wasn't a pack of coyotes, it had

676
00:45:34,639 --> 00:45:38,480
to be something with a pretty voracious appetite to clean

677
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:44,039
it up the way it was. I used to hunt

678
00:45:44,119 --> 00:45:49,159
quite regularly in West Virginia and phil dressing deer and

679
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:55,000
you know, discarding the entrols. You know, you can come

680
00:45:55,039 --> 00:45:57,880
back in a day or two and they're they're they're gone,

681
00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:01,079
They're gone. But you can meacond a day or two

682
00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:04,000
on a carcass and it won't be nearly as clean

683
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,679
as what I saw. And it also reminded me of

684
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,800
something big by the way it reminded me of something

685
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,400
that when I did live on that mountain. And it's

686
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,079
for any of the listeners, it's Elk Garden. They'll know

687
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:21,239
where that is. Elk Garden, West Virginia near Kaiser if

688
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,320
they know the area. I did live up there off

689
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:29,079
of Route fifty, and one time when I was out there,

690
00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:32,480
it was an acre ground but across the street was

691
00:46:32,519 --> 00:46:35,679
a pasture ground for sheep and cattle, and behind was

692
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:41,440
a what do you call it? Preservation? Wildlife? It was

693
00:46:41,519 --> 00:46:47,239
just forest behind. But one time, off to the side

694
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,679
of the house where we kept a fire pit, I

695
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,639
did see claws had raked across the bark at about

696
00:46:55,679 --> 00:46:59,519
seven feet up. And I just at that time I

697
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:04,039
didn't know anything about a dog man. I just I

698
00:47:04,039 --> 00:47:05,880
didn't know a lot about bears. Like I said, I

699
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,719
encountered bears. I've eaten bears, you know, frankness, I mean,

700
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:17,320
shut them. But they were high claw marks. There was

701
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:22,039
about three of them diagoning across the tree, and they

702
00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:24,400
were kind of high. But I just assigned them to

703
00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:30,960
being a bear had done it back then, But now

704
00:47:31,039 --> 00:47:33,920
talking to you and putting myself back on that mountain,

705
00:47:34,039 --> 00:47:38,199
I remembered it, and now I'm wondering what if it

706
00:47:38,199 --> 00:47:39,119
could have been something else.

707
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,039
Speaker 2: Listening to you describe how those claw marks were. You

708
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:46,840
said they were across the tree trunk and not down.

709
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,039
When bears mark trees normally it's straight down.

710
00:47:51,519 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: You know, these were diagonal that they were heading down,

711
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,039
But they weren't straight down. They were more.

712
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:04,039
Speaker 2: Diagonal bears never do that, do they don't. They always

713
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:06,280
come straight down with their their markings.

714
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: I didn't give that any thought at the time because

715
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,239
the only the only animal in my brain was a bear.

716
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure they do. I think when they do that,

717
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,679
they come straight down with their claws. I could be wrong,

718
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,159
but that's what I think.

719
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: You could be right, and and you and and it

720
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,679
would make sense. I mean, even if you catch a

721
00:48:26,679 --> 00:48:32,480
bear like scratching itself, they generally squat up and down.

722
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,559
When when I saw the grizzly though, she was she

723
00:48:38,679 --> 00:48:42,039
was rooting underneath that tree trunk, probably rooting for grubs

724
00:48:42,119 --> 00:48:45,840
or something, before she lifted her nose and started sniffing,

725
00:48:49,039 --> 00:48:53,719
And she was pawing the ground, kind of like if

726
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,760
you would be scooping something. So I don't know, because

727
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:03,320
I've never given any consideration to the angle of scratches

728
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,599
on the tree. But they were clear and distinct. They

729
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:11,199
were probably an inch at least apart. And the only

730
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,719
the only creature that came to my mind was a bear.

731
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:24,719
But now with all this going on, who knows. I

732
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,280
spent a lot of time outside too, but up there

733
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,599
I hate it with wood. I'd go to the woodshed

734
00:49:29,679 --> 00:49:35,119
quite often. Who knows, I don't know. I know I

735
00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:38,800
saw it though, and I wondered, how did the bear

736
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,280
get up here and get away with it? That's what

737
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:41,760
I thought.

738
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 2: Well, when it comes to those claw marks, all we

739
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,760
can do is guess. But I don't know. I'm pretty

740
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,719
sure that bears, when they do break a tree, it's

741
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:51,840
normally straight down.

742
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,039
Speaker 1: So see, you've given me another research project.

743
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. I guess I have.

744
00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: Yes, you have. You definitely have. Now it came to

745
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:10,360
mind talking to you. But up until now, Yeah, it's

746
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,440
it's just like the print. I mean, I'm I'm gonna

747
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,760
make sure first, but I think there's some validity of

748
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:21,719
what you're saying. I really do. But I'm a trust

749
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,400
but verified kind of guy, so I'm gonna check it out.

750
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 2: You know what, here's something that I just thought of

751
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,519
Bears when they do that, from what I think I know,

752
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,719
they always use both paws. It sounds like what you

753
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,800
found was just one paw raking.

754
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,079
Speaker 1: Yes, and that that came to my mind. But that's

755
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:47,679
a that's a yes, and it was one paw almost.

756
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,239
It had to have been on the other side of

757
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:55,679
the tree from where the claws were, and they were

758
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,559
clawed from high up over my head, and like I said,

759
00:50:59,559 --> 00:51:03,119
I'm six tall, and I remember actually reaching out and

760
00:51:03,159 --> 00:51:08,159
touching them and thinking, wow, that's because the black bears

761
00:51:08,199 --> 00:51:10,559
out there didn't really get that big. Some of them did,

762
00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:13,480
but not that big. But I thought that that's a

763
00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:17,800
pretty high bear Martin up there. I never thought of

764
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,519
a dog man, so maybe they had sniffed me out

765
00:51:20,639 --> 00:51:22,440
even then, and I didn't know it because I spent

766
00:51:22,519 --> 00:51:24,840
a lot of time in the woods.

767
00:51:25,519 --> 00:51:28,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, that might be what was going on. Although I mean,

768
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,960
as you know, dog men are behind every tree, so

769
00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:34,559
the odds of it being a dog man are pretty slim.

770
00:51:34,639 --> 00:51:37,119
But at the same time, I've never known a beer

771
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:39,239
to do that kind of a marking with one paw,

772
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,320
So it does make you wonder, it really does.

773
00:51:43,199 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 1: I agree.

774
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,559
Speaker 2: Now, I don't want to put words into your mouth. DK.

775
00:51:47,559 --> 00:51:50,719
It sounds to me like you think that dogman was

776
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,079
a demonic entity, though, Is that accurate? Is that what

777
00:51:54,119 --> 00:51:54,800
you think it was.

778
00:51:56,599 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 1: I don't think they're demonic entities in this sense of apparitions. No,

779
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:08,519
I think that they are evil creatures. I think they're

780
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:11,760
evil creatures. I don't think I think they breathe. I

781
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:18,719
think they eat obviously, but I don't think they're good.

782
00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:22,079
Speaker 2: Well, that makes two of us. I can understand why

783
00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:25,039
you feel that way. One of the first things you

784
00:52:25,159 --> 00:52:28,239
noticed on it where it's red eyes. Was there enough

785
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,079
ambient light out for its eyes to glow as brightly

786
00:52:32,159 --> 00:52:36,559
as they were and be easily explainable? Or were they

787
00:52:36,599 --> 00:52:39,639
glowing so bright that you think they must have been

788
00:52:40,199 --> 00:52:41,239
self illuminated?

789
00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:52,679
Speaker 1: Answer B. There was no plausible reason for that creature

790
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:58,239
to have the red eyes that I saw. And the

791
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:04,280
red eyes I saw didn't not come off as reflection

792
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:08,840
like you would think of a fox reflecting it's a light,

793
00:53:09,039 --> 00:53:14,199
or any any any animal whose eyes reflect the light

794
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,679
like that raccoon and the and the and the spacing

795
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:22,639
was pretty good too. The spacing was more than human spacing.

796
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:29,119
But they were I would have to say, I would

797
00:53:29,159 --> 00:53:34,039
have to say B. I I would There's no way

798
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:36,079
I would say A. I would have to say B,

799
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,880
because those red eyes belonged to that creature. Now why

800
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,639
they were so red that, I don't know, but they were.

801
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,360
They were red. It wasn't a reflection, It wasn't a reaction,

802
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:50,679
or it could have been. I guess an internal reaction.

803
00:53:51,159 --> 00:53:56,480
But no, those eyes, those eyes originated with that creature.

804
00:53:57,599 --> 00:53:58,519
Speaker 2: No, I believe you.

805
00:53:59,239 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: I do.

806
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:04,639
Speaker 2: You described it as having Batman ears that stood straight up.

807
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,719
Did you ever see them lay back or did they

808
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:08,920
stay erect the whole time?

809
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:15,639
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. That's a good question, and and I'll

810
00:54:15,639 --> 00:54:18,320
tell you why that's a good question, because when I

811
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:22,800
saw it, I had I had a combination thought of, uh,

812
00:54:24,119 --> 00:54:28,920
spider Man and Batman. You follow me, and so spider

813
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:34,519
Man doesn't have it and Batman does, but his posture

814
00:54:34,639 --> 00:54:37,599
was was was spider Man? But I've also seen Batman

815
00:54:37,679 --> 00:54:42,199
in that posture too, Yeah, even iron Man, you know,

816
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:48,960
the superhero posture. I guess you'll call it. But if

817
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,320
I had this, if I had to say it, I

818
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,199
would have to say they were down and went up,

819
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:55,440
not up and went down.

820
00:54:56,559 --> 00:54:59,679
Speaker 2: Okay, I see you told us about how you think

821
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,719
it was evaluating you, or it might have been evaluating

822
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:07,400
you if it actually was evaluating you, though the way

823
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,159
you said it felt like it was. Do you think

824
00:55:10,199 --> 00:55:14,960
that made it automatically evil or do you think there's

825
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,960
still room left in there for it to just be

826
00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:21,119
a flesh and blood creature that due to circumstance, you

827
00:55:21,199 --> 00:55:24,559
have these feelings about its origins.

828
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: Well, like I mentioned, thick, at first, I felt like

829
00:55:29,159 --> 00:55:38,039
I was being surveilled and I felt fear immediately. But

830
00:55:39,559 --> 00:55:42,000
just just me going out on my deck and being

831
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:44,599
scared back in the house and in and of itself

832
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:49,760
is abnormal. I'm more gonna be leaning in and like

833
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,719
what is that? You know? But I instinctively wanted to

834
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,000
turn around because I instinctively did not want this thing

835
00:55:57,039 --> 00:56:00,960
to know anything about me. So I felt like it

836
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,480
was surveiling me and watched me evaluating me. But what

837
00:56:04,639 --> 00:56:07,239
I felt I felt fear, which which was also normal.

838
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:11,440
But like I mentioned, when it showed up, I'm still

839
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,960
processing the print. I'm still processing my knowledge that dog

840
00:56:15,039 --> 00:56:20,400
men exist, you know, and and I've heard of dog

841
00:56:20,519 --> 00:56:23,840
men encounters in Missouri before and even on other shows.

842
00:56:25,519 --> 00:56:28,199
But I'm still in the place where not me, you know,

843
00:56:28,599 --> 00:56:30,519
until I saw it and then it was like me

844
00:56:30,679 --> 00:56:32,440
and it's like no, no, no, no no, I'm not

845
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,679
gonna be a part of this. Uh. And that's why

846
00:56:34,679 --> 00:56:37,400
I turned around. I did not want it to be

847
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,719
a part of my life. But in answer to your question,

848
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:46,920
I think that I'm answering your question, I came to

849
00:56:47,039 --> 00:56:51,679
conclusion of originally I didn't. I didn't. I felt like

850
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,400
it was surveiling me. I didn't feel like any kind

851
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,119
of aggressive posture coming at me, but I still felt fear.

852
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,840
But then when I had the dream, it kind of

853
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,639
wrapped it up for me that your goal is to

854
00:57:03,679 --> 00:57:07,880
scare me, and I didn't. I didn't scare enough for

855
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,599
you the first time, I guess. And then that's when

856
00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:13,280
it became you know, I'm digging my heels in and

857
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,840
you can leave me alone. Because there was a time

858
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,760
when I I used to, like I said earlier, I

859
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:26,920
used to have attacks. They would I mobilize me, attack me.

860
00:57:27,559 --> 00:57:31,239
And there was one There's one time when I had

861
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,360
moved to where i'm at where not where I'm at

862
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,199
now because of the fire, but I had moved to

863
00:57:36,239 --> 00:57:39,679
my new home here in Missouri, at least some of Missouri,

864
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,639
and not long after I moved in, I was laying

865
00:57:43,679 --> 00:57:46,880
downstairs sleeping, and I hadn't had any type of stuff

866
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:51,400
like that happened for a long time, and it happened,

867
00:57:51,519 --> 00:57:55,280
and it made me angry, and it was like, it's

868
00:57:55,320 --> 00:58:00,480
like following me, like you're following me. It's like I'm

869
00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:05,159
in a new house and it made me angry, and

870
00:58:05,159 --> 00:58:08,320
and that's that's that's where I went in that dream

871
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,960
of mine. I went back to that angry place of

872
00:58:11,079 --> 00:58:15,599
leave me alone, not that fearful place. And I think

873
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:26,480
I think that angry place was disappointing. And I think

874
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,880
that I think that I think that angry place was

875
00:58:30,159 --> 00:58:33,639
a victory. I guess I'll say over what its intent was?

876
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:35,719
Am I making sense?

877
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:40,719
Speaker 2: You are? Yeah, you're trying to work your way through

878
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:45,400
the possibility that it was disappointed with you not being fearful,

879
00:58:45,679 --> 00:58:48,719
you're angry instead, and there might be something to that.

880
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:54,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's what I felt like. And I felt

881
00:58:54,199 --> 00:58:56,920
like I felt like since it couldn't scare me, it

882
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,239
had no choice but to move on. You know, I

883
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,800
already told you hurt me unless God says you can

884
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,880
hurt me, And now I'm mad at you, so leave

885
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,199
me alone.

886
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 2: Hey, might be honest something there. I mean, if they

887
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,079
feed off fear the way so many people think they do,

888
00:59:11,239 --> 00:59:14,800
then hey, it just might be right. You had that

889
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,280
nightmare about it the night that you had your encounter,

890
00:59:17,599 --> 00:59:19,760
But have you had any other nightmares like that?

891
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: Since none that come to mind. No, I haven't that one.

892
00:59:26,599 --> 00:59:30,280
That one was, Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up again.

893
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:35,000
Yet that that that felt like the same way I

894
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:39,519
felt like the surveillance. It just felt like direct communication.

895
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:44,239
It felt like it didn't It didn't feel like I

896
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:49,440
was It didn't feel like I was dreaming. It felt

897
00:59:49,519 --> 00:59:54,679
like I was being communicated too. And the communication was

898
00:59:57,639 --> 01:00:03,360
you better be scared of me, and that's and I

899
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:08,320
communicated back. I guess it was not your normal dream.

900
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:12,320
I don't tend to remember my dreams. I know I

901
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:17,039
have them, but I don't tend to remember them. And

902
01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:21,360
sometimes when they're interesting and I do remember them, I

903
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,079
try to elect the details. But if you asked me

904
01:00:24,119 --> 01:00:27,079
two weeks later, they'd be gone. But this dream ain't

905
01:00:27,079 --> 01:00:29,760
gone nowhere, and it hasn't gone anywhere.

906
01:00:30,719 --> 01:00:33,559
Speaker 2: I can understand why. That's not the kind of dream

907
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:37,880
or nightmare you forget. So that makes sense. Your wife

908
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,320
wasn't with you when you had that encounter. What are

909
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:41,760
her thoughts on your experience?

910
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: I never said anything to her about it.

911
01:00:46,239 --> 01:00:50,199
Speaker 2: Oh you never told her? Were you reluctant to keep

912
01:00:50,199 --> 01:00:52,840
her from her? Or you just flat out glad? You

913
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:54,679
never told her.

914
01:00:55,519 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: I mean she knew I watched the dog Man Encounters

915
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:06,519
show listen to it, I should say, because it was

916
01:01:06,599 --> 01:01:10,400
kind of like an ongoing humorous joke. I mean, it's

917
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,639
Friday night, I'm gonna I'm gonna go in the dog

918
01:01:12,639 --> 01:01:20,280
Man Encounters. But I never I never mentioned that to her, ah,

919
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,280
because number one, she probably would have ridden me for

920
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:28,159
it and said, you just whatever. But number two, like

921
01:01:28,239 --> 01:01:33,760
I said earlier, it didn't deserve too much of my attention.

922
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,559
To me, It's like if I if I go there again,

923
01:01:36,679 --> 01:01:41,119
maybe maybe it'll come back again, you know, and I don't.

924
01:01:41,159 --> 01:01:43,800
I don't want it to come back again. So I'm

925
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,239
not gonna. I'm not gonna give it any of my attention.

926
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,400
And that's why, and that's why I told you after

927
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,280
talking to you about it, I went out at night,

928
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,519
and and now the fear came up of going out

929
01:01:54,679 --> 01:01:57,079
at night. I'm not usually I'm not usually afraid to

930
01:01:57,079 --> 01:02:01,480
go out at night at all. And that's also another

931
01:02:01,519 --> 01:02:05,000
reason why I didn't want to continue the conversation with her.

932
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,159
But like I said, after listening to your show and

933
01:02:08,199 --> 01:02:13,199
hearing people right here, right here where I'm at now,

934
01:02:13,239 --> 01:02:20,559
it's gone to just total, point blank reality and trying

935
01:02:20,599 --> 01:02:26,239
to trying to deny. In my mind, trying to deny

936
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:31,599
reality is what will make a person delusional. And I

937
01:02:31,599 --> 01:02:34,239
don't want to be delusional. I want to face and

938
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:39,960
confront the realities. And I guess that's why I face

939
01:02:40,039 --> 01:02:41,840
it and confront of it in my dream. And the

940
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:45,760
reality is I'm a Christian servant of God who I

941
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:52,159
think protects me, and you're an evil bully basically leave

942
01:02:52,199 --> 01:02:53,320
me alone.

943
01:02:53,639 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 2: Sure sounds to me like you conducted yourself in the

944
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:59,239
best way possible when you had that nightmare, so.

945
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: Softia after the fear though, well.

946
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're humans.

947
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: It was fearful, and like I said, I had to,

948
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:12,719
I had to collect myself. When you're put under emotional stresses,

949
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,920
all of us, I imagine, we we run to our foundation,

950
01:03:17,199 --> 01:03:20,000
We run to our stable place, you know, and my

951
01:03:20,039 --> 01:03:21,159
stable place is faith.

952
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:26,079
Speaker 2: Good man, I'm glad that worked for you. You mentioned

953
01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:29,199
your YouTube channel, a bit ago DK. How about a

954
01:03:29,239 --> 01:03:30,559
shamless plug.

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Speaker 1: DK. We'll talk about it. Is my channel. It's it's

956
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not a very big channel. It's it talks about non

957
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:46,920
traditional finance, primarily cryptocurrencies, but also like precious metals and

958
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:51,920
things like that, and and I talk about I talk

959
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:58,360
about some type of conspiracy theorist ideas. However, like one

960
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:03,280
of my commenters said, we're not conspiracy theorists or conspiracy analysts,

961
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and I basically, I basically just try to share insight

962
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and truth on what I believe are the real facts

963
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,599
behind some of the narratives that are put in front

964
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of us. You know, I've talked about other things besides

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money as well. I've only done the one about the

966
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dog man encounter after the day it happened. It's not

967
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it's not my general topic of conversation. But if you know,

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if somebody wants to learn how to make a little

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01:04:37,079 --> 01:04:42,199
extra money by investing, I think it'll be helpful. I

970
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I do have. I did qualify as a registered rep

971
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with a Series seven and worked for a financial advisor's outfit.

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But I did I didn't want to keep doing it

973
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because they monitor you too much. They once they let

974
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you know where the money is, they want to control

975
01:04:57,039 --> 01:05:02,239
you so that you don't let everybody else, And so

976
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I let everybody else know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's always a catch. Seems like that's the case. Well,

978
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it's about time for us to get out. If you're

979
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a DK, But before we do, do you have any

980
01:05:13,679 --> 01:05:17,760
clothes and comments who want to put out there for us?

981
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Speaker 1: I would say, keep an open mind about the possibilities

982
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of what's out there in life, because I can't imagine,

983
01:05:32,119 --> 01:05:34,760
like I said about Bigfoot, I can't imagine the whole

984
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globe trying to perpetuate a conspiracy theory and not having

985
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met or known each other. And even though dog Man

986
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was a new concept to me, everything I've said here

987
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actually occurred. And as long as I've been alive and

988
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:01,159
living and in the woods and out camping and everything,

989
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:05,360
I never had any knowledge of such a type creature.

990
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But now I have no doubt that such a type

991
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:15,519
creature exists. Because I don't do drugs, I rarely drink,

992
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:22,400
I'm and I'm a sane mind. And this literally happened.

993
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And so reality sometimes forms itself right before your eyes.

994
01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:35,039
But we have to keep an open mind to what

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01:06:35,199 --> 01:06:40,599
reality really is. And so I just say keep your

996
01:06:40,599 --> 01:06:43,320
eyes open and keep your mind open with it.

997
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 2: You made the transition from thinking they're out there to

998
01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:50,599
knowing they are. That's a big difference. It really is.

999
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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: Having said that, DK, I can't thank you enough for

1001
01:06:54,119 --> 01:06:56,960
coming on to share the details of those experiences with us.

1002
01:06:57,039 --> 01:07:00,920
I really appreciate it. Thank you pick Oh. You know

1003
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you're WelCom and if I can never help you out

1004
01:07:03,239 --> 01:07:04,599
in the future, please.

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01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 1: Let me know.

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01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,719
Speaker 2: I will do that good man, I won't be there

1007
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,960
for you well, thanks again so much and have a

1008
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:12,480
great night.