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Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Vic oh No.
Speaker 2: Thank you for your time and for coming on. We
appreciate it.
Speaker 1: DK.
Speaker 2: Please give us a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 1: Brief bio well, I am a father of three sons.
My three sons, I have one granddaughter. I am sixty
three year old, single married man because I'm estranged from
my wife and I live in Missouri. I am most
proud of the fact that I am a Christian. I
live my life based on the Bible. I try to
do what I think is right and pleasing to our creator,
and that is first and foremost in my life. And
I'm a graduate of Johns Hopkins University. I was a
late bloomer, but I graduated summa cum lade with an
award from the school for it's called Wall Street Journal
Student Achievement Award. I am retired by default. Originally I
was injured and went I was disabled, and then I
was old enough to retire early and as a consequence,
and so I have been now retired since about twenty
twenty one or so, and I spend most of my time.
If it's not watching YouTube or making a YouTube video,
I'm probably out in the ministry one way or another.
Speaker 2: You're a good man. That's a good way to live
your life. It really is. DK. You used to live
on top of a mountain in West Virginia, so you
know your way around the woods in the mountains. With
that in mind, what was the most frightening thing that
ever happened to you out there while you're rooming around
That wasn't dog man related?
Speaker 1: That was not dog man related, Well, it wasn't necessarily
in the mountains, so to speak. It was doing a
trip to Montana actually to go camping. I walked up
on me and my wife at the time with her daughter.
We walked up on a grizzly bear with three cubs.
And that was a very terrifying moment as far as
when in West Virginia in the mountains once again, I
was walking with my wife through the woods a familiar
hunting area and a mother came running over a crest.
It was her and a couple of cubs running behind them,
and they ran across in front of us, probably about
forty feet away, maybe less, but they were in such
a rush to get away that they never looked that
way without scary moment, because if she had turned and
saw us that closed to her cubs, we probably would
have had a major problem. And we weren't hunting. We
were really just strolling, so there was no weapons on
hand or anything.
Speaker 2: Thank goodness she didn't see. I agree. What about that
first month, though, how close were you to her?
Speaker 1: That one was about we got as close, I says,
I'd say about sixty yards maybe at the most. And
what it was we had gone fishing and early morning
and out there everything's spread out in big so we
walked across somebody's ranch to get down to the river,
and I think it's the Boulder River. I think that's
what it's called. It's clear, it was very clear, you
could see the fish. And on the way down, since
it was so early, probably about six in the morning,
six thirty in the morning or so, we walked by
and on a sandbar and I heard a growl, a
little growl, and I told my wife, who was west
Virginia all her life. I didn't originate from West Virginia.
I said, I just heard a bear growl. And she said,
you didn't he know bear grow You heard a far
backfire up on the road. I was like, no, No,
I heard a bear growl. Because we had stopped at
a place where you could actually look at a couple
grizzly bears. And at that place where you could look
at them, they were kind of down in a pit,
so to speak. They had a plaque where you could
read the plaque and you could learn different behaviors of
the bear. And one of the behaviors that had that
I recall was this the feeling of the they're getting
disturbed by your presence. And so what I think happened
was we walked by, We walked by where they were
bedding down, and she growled a little bit, but we
walked down and kept fishing. It was three of us, me,
my wife at the time, and her daughter, and we walked,
oh maybe a quarter mile to a half mile down
fishing down the river. And then it was on the
way back when we were kept coming back that I
saw the grizzly bear and it just so happened on
the way down. While we were fishing, I broke my line,
so I had to sit on a fallen tree. It
was a fallen tree where I had to sit down.
I didn't have to bend my knees a whole lot.
I'm about six feet tall. And I looked down in
the bank while I was putting my fishing line on,
and I saw a track. And then I called my
wife at the time over and I said, look at that.
I said, you think I still heard a truck because
I showed her the bear's print and it was you know,
it hadn't been there very long, probably from the day before,
well after we went fishing. We were coming back and
at that same tree that I had sat on, I
saw the wind catch fur. The grizzly had her back
to us, and that seat that I sat down on.
Her back went above it by at least a couple
of feet, and the wind caught her hair, her fur,
and I said, oh, expletive one s word. And my
wife jumped around wit what she thought it was snakes,
because that was one of the other cautions. And I said, no,
don't you see it? And I pointed and it was
the mother of her back. The wind had caught the
backside of the grizzly bear, and about that time she
raised her nose up and started sniffing the air. And
then after noticing her, I noticed her cub. There was
three cubs, but there was one cub looking at us.
It still had the white collar, but it was still
a grizzly cub, so it probably outweighed me. It wasn't little,
but it looked at us real curiously. And that's when
I got scared, more so than ever, because we were
too close to that grizzly in her cubs, and I
knew that if that cub made any type of sound
that wasn't appropriate for seeing us, that we were really
going to have to pay for that. And so we
ended up having to cross the river at my chest height.
I lost my favorite knife doing that, and I'm pulling
her behind. She's only five foot two and her daughter's
probably not quite that yet, and I'm pulling them behind
getting across that river. And then when we got to
the other side, it was a bank. You couldn't just
walk out like you could walk in on the side
that we went in on, and so I had to
lift them out of the water or first. And the
whole time I was so afraid to hear a splash
because where we crossed it was only maybe twenty five
feet thirty feet maybe to cross, but it was deep
my chest height. I was so afraid to hear the
mother crashing and come after us. But I had to
lift them out first, and then I got out myself.
And it just so happened that apparently one of the
homeowners had cut a four foot wide path through these
very high reeds that lined the river bank in that area,
and bears were known to bed in there too, and
so it was like, where do we go from here?
So we just said, I told them, I said, we're
just going to follow this trail, and so we followed
it and we didn't encounter any more bears, and it
took us right into the backyard of one of the
local residents's homes that they had made a path for
them to get to the river. And so that was
a very scary moment. That was the scariest moment I've
ever had when it comes to impending danger, I guess
I'll call.
Speaker 2: It thank goodness you made it out of that in
one piece. I hate to hear that you lost your
favorite knife, but by getting out of there, you avoided
losing something a heck of a lot more important, So
thank goodness for that.
Speaker 1: That's true.
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dot com. All right, DK, please tell us about your
dog mean encounter. Now give us ever last detail that
comes to mind.
Speaker 1: My dogman encounter happened, well, my initial dog man related
her happened while my current wife and I went to
James A. Reed National Wildlife Preservation here in Missouri. It's
in the town called Least Summit, Missouri. And we had
our dog Lady, she's an American pit a sweetheart except
for other dogs, and a little docs and named Cinnamon.
And they used to love to run, and we'd go
there and let them run and take walks, and a
couple times maybe have a picnic or so. And this
day we decided to walk in another section of it.
And this was in March of twenty twenty two, and
we decided to walk in a different section of it
because it's huge, just like three thousand plus acres, and
we had been there frequent enough, and we were just
finding another place to go, and we preferred to go
places where people weren't hanging out or fishing or anything
like that. So we walked through somes and some trails
through the woods to get this side of the bank
that we ended up on. And while we were walking,
I came across an area where there had been some disturbance.
You could tell there had been some type of major disturbance.
But at the same time, what really caught my eye
was a gigantic wolf print. And by gigantic, I mean
I did the research on it and I measured it
and everything after getting home by comparing it to my
foot and it was six and a half to seven
inches long of a print. Well, that wasn't all. When
we made it over to another section was kind of
like a small peninsula that came out and it was
on the other side of this lake pond. It's hard
to describe which one it is because it's big but
not that big, and small but not that small. And
there was an area where a little peninsula came out
about I don't know, maybe about ten feet wide. It
went out into the water about maybe twenty twenty five feet,
and I walked out there because I saw a deer carcass.
And there was a deer carcass there, and it was
pretty much stripped down to the bones, but it had
still left on one of its feet. Its hoof was
still there, and some fur was still there up from
the hoof, probably about six or seven inches of undisturbed fur.
But the rest of it was cleaned out. And I
looked at that and I thought, who brought this here?
To eat it? And clean it out? Is what my
thought was. And as I turned around the walk away
from it, I saw a spent shotgun shell, which I
thought was odd because I'm not aware that there's hunting
there because of its proximity to residences. I don't know
if any of the edges or five hundred feet from
a home or not. But what I do now is
we were walking in a different area, so I brought
my dog over to put her print in it to
see a comparison. It was no comparison whatsoever. Her prints
were probably only about an inch and a half or
two at best. And I took pictures of it as well,
and I took that information home, and I looked up
large dog prints, I looked up wolf prints. The biggest
wolf print I came across was the Alaskan wolf print,
and it did not measure up to the size of
the one that I encountered on the side of this
on or lake where all the disturbance was. And my
impression was that it had been a kill zone. That's
how that's how I saw it. I'm familiar with the
woods where you get a lot of tracks, maybe around water,
and you can see, you know, maybe deer hoof prints
or something where they come around and drink the water
or graze or just hang out a little bit. It
wasn't that it was. It was a war zone. And
what stood out most was that gigantic print that I
took pictures of and compared it to my foot as well,
because I wanted to. I wanted to figure out what
it was. So that was the initial encounter I had,
but not long after that. And when I say not
long after that, I'm saying within the same week. And
it's like I said, this was in March of twenty
twenty two, but within the same week, maybe just a
couple few days later, or maybe a weekly at best.
I was on the phone with some guys I taught
conference with, and I tend to stroll around a little
bit when I'm talking on the phone, and at least
in this instance, and I decided to go out on
the deck and of the sliding door leading from the
dining area the kitchen. And as I was walking out,
it was about dusk. It was getting dark, but it
wasn't dark dark. And by that I mean if a
person walked by. There's a park behind my home. It's
a place where a lot of little softball kids practice
and flag football. And then I'm on the field end
of the park. And then to the left there's a
water park where there's water, water things for kids to
play with, and then chimes and climbing rocks, that type
of a park. And as I was walking out the door,
I looked and I saw a black figure. And this
black figure what stood up the most to me was
number one, its posture and number two its eyes. So
I'll say the eyes first. The eyes were red and
it gave me the impression of it was a red glow,
I'll say, But like I said, it wasn't dark. It
was dusk to the point if a person had walked
where this thing was standing, I would be able to
detect their clothing and the color of their clothing if
it wasn't too dark, meaning the clothing wasn't too dark,
I would have been able to discern those type of features.
But this creature and I went out and marked it off.
It was. It was about twenty five feet from my fence,
and my fence is probably about fifty feet, no more
than fifty, probably about fifty five sixty five feet from
walking out my deck. My deck is elevated in comparison
to the ground because the house is a bi level,
and so walking out on my deck meant that my
feet were probably at the five or six foot level.
And I looked out and I saw this thing looking
at me with the red eyes, and it was in
a posture if you can imagine a superhero and a
comic book, and particularly like a Spider Man, where they
have one hand in front of their legs and the
other leg is kind of stretched out while the knee
for the one that they're resting their weight on is bent.
So I got the impression of Spider Man looking at
its posture, but I got the impression of Batman looking
at its complete entity, not just because it was black,
and I mean it was black. You couldn't you couldn't
tell any features except the eyes and the silhouette more
so than anything else. And it did have I say Batman,
because your traditional Batman has a nice spiky ears coming
up off his helmet there or headgear, whatever you want
to call it, and this thing had something similar, and
they probably projected up from the side of the head
maybe two to three inches or so, three or four
could be force stretching it, I'll say three and a half.
But when I walked out the door, as soon as
I walked out the door, I saw it, and it
was so intently looking at me in that posture, and
when I saw it, I immediately felt afraid. I felt afraid,
and that's not common for me to feel afraid when
I walk out on my deck, because had it been
any other creature, I would have been more inquisitive than
I would have been afraid. And I pretended that I
didn't see it because I felt like I felt like
it was related to how I started this first encounter.
I said, I felt like it was related to the
print that I saw, And I also felt like it
was it was surveilling me, as if as if it
had smelt me or something, and it came to check
me out. I felt like it was checking me out,
and it seemed very alert. The upper body was very erect,
whereas the legs were, you know, bent one knee, other
legs stretched out and in the middle kind of like
the Batman thing, like I said, the spider Man thing.
And I pretended not to see it so because I
felt like if I if I let it know that
I saw, then it would have to do something to me.
I don't know why I thought these things, but I
thought them instantly. And we're talking about the elapse of
probably five seconds of me walking out, seeing it, turning
around and pretending like I didn't see it, and going
back in the house because I was scared. I immediately
felt scared, and I also felt like I was being evaluated.
That's a good word for it. I felt like I
was being evaluated. And so I went back in the
house and locked the door and walked away from the
door and kept holding my conversation because I didn't want
it to see me. And so that was a that
was the actual encounter of it, and it was about
it was at I'm a six foot tall person. I
see people walk by that park behind my home all
the time, they walk their dogs and ride the bikes
they walked themselves. And it was definitely taller than me,
without a doubt. It was taller than me, even just
judging from the legs sticking out there. And if I
had to guess, I would say if it stood up,
it probably would have been spelled six and a half feet.
I would say, I'm six foot, it would have been
at least at least six and a half foot. And
I do have a history of being a personal trainer
and so gauging body type and things like that comes
pretty quickly to me. And there was a time when
I was a natural, competitive natural bodybuilder too, so so
body consciousness is something that just comes naturally to me.
And like being able to see a person in tell
they're an athletic person or not, things like that, well,
this thing was certainly athletic. It was it was certainly
an athletic build and I just I was. I was
amazed as well because of the red eyes. And I'll
tell you why I decided to reach out to Vic
to you, Vic is because I was listening to your
show and somebody said they had experienced something in the
same part that I was in, and so that kind
of removed my denial. I guess of what I was
looking at and when I was, what was I encountering.
And there's something else that happened that is a bit bizarre,
but it happened. And I don't tend to make up
stories on telling the truth that happened, so hopefully that
doesn't make me sound like I'm crazy. But I had
a dream around this. All of this happened contemporary to
one another. Just seeing the print, the things showing up
checking me out my backyard, so to speak, and the dream.
I got the feeling that I somehow dissatisfied it because
I didn't give it enough information since I turned around
and went back in so quickly, because I had a
dream and it was a dog man in my dream,
and it was it was being mean and vicious and
trying to scare me. And initially I and initially I
did feel a little scared. But then I quickly collected
myself in this dream and I spoke directly to it,
and I told it. I told this creature that was
snarling and trying to be scary, and then, like I said,
initially it was scary, but then I remembered, I remember
who I am, and like I said in the beginning,
I'm a Christian. I believe in God. And so I
said to the creature in my dream, I said, you
are just a creation and a creature, and you cannot
harm me unless God allows you to. So you, Basically,
I said, so you might as well just leave me alone,
and it left me alone. That's that. I have not
had any type of encounter since, although I will say
after my first conversation with Vic, I had to go
out to my car late at night, very late at night,
when everybody's sleeping, and for the first time since that encounter,
I felt fear. And that's not that's not normal for me.
I'm not a scaredy cat by nature. I'm not Samson
and brave men in the world either, But I generally,
I generally, I generally feel fear when my mind discerns
there's a reason to feel fear. Otherwise I don't generally
feel fear, and when I saw that thing looking at
me in the backyard, I immediately felt fear. I immediately
sensed fear, and I immediately turned around and pretended like
it wasn't there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you handled that pretty normally. Most people would have
handled it the same way. As understandable. Why you did that.
I'm wondering, though. It is one thing when you have
an encounter away from where you live, but when you
have it at home the way you did. What kind
of alterations did you make? Did you stop going out
anywhere near dark or did you continue to go outside
after dark or close to dark.
Speaker 1: I didn't make any major adjustments, I'll have to say.
I did wonder how in the world, speaking to it,
How in the world did you make it here without
somebody seeing you? That was the impression I had. How
did you do that? But as I thought more about
it and tried to geolocate my home from the sky,
it started to make more sense. Because there are patches
of woods behind houses that are on the other side
of the park. It's probably about two hundred yards from
me to the other side of the park, and then
there's their backyard and then the houses across the street
facing those houses, but behind that those houses, it's more
expensive woods, and I thought, well, that's probably why. But
I never I didn't necessarily make any major changes in
my behavior simply because of the location. I did still
go back to James A. Reed, not as frequently, and
definitely not nothing in the dark, not not late, but
not as I didn't go as much, and I did
become more aware of what's going on in the field
behind me. I did recall one time there was a
deer there and I caught it and with my MENI
caught it with my sight, and I went round and
got the flashlight to shine on and see what it was.
But I didn't feel any fear at that time, and
like I mentioned earlier, generally speaking, I wouldn't feel fear.
I would feel curious because I have seen foxes out there,
I have seen deer out there. I've seen one time
a coyote. A coyote went right along my fence, actually
on the outside of my fence, and right outside of
my fence there's about a eight foot patch of grass
and then an eight foot patch of tarmac where people
can walk around this park and it's it's it's it's
not perfectly symmetrical like a track at at a school
or anything. It does wind a little bit in some places,
but it's it's common for that, and so I maybe
became became more aware, but eventually I just I just
put it behind me, because after the dream I had,
and I guess, like you, I guess you would call
it a lucid dream, it was. It was bizarre because
I knew it was a dream, but I also felt
like it was not a dream, if that makes sense.
I felt like it was. I felt like it was
the dog man felt like I didn't give it enough information,
and so it needed more information. It needed. I think
it felt like I need to see if I can
scare you or something. That's how I felt. And then
in the dream, I told him, you can stop, because
you're just a creature and you can't do anything to me.
Let God let you. So when that happened, and in
that dream, I was successful at making it leave me alone,
I didn't have a reason to fear it anymore.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you did that. And it's bad enough
when you have an encounter and you're waking hours, but
in your sleep when you have to deal with things
like that, Yeah, that's not right, not right at all.
Speaker 1: It was on the edge of a nightmare initially, like
I said it was, it was scary initially, but like
I said, I kind of I'm I'm an extremely faithful individual.
I knew that there's a God. I don't think there's
a god, and I also know that God's a source
of life. Now. Of course, anything anything that happened to anybody,
unforeseen occurrences can happen anybody any back of an accident
and die, and you know it's nobody, nobody's real fault.
But for this thing, I felt like it was evil.
And by that respect, I say that you can't do
anything that God lets you do, because, like I mentioned
to Vic before, I have a history of having had
to deal with wicked spirit forces and sleep paralysis and
even even even seeing seeing them. Yeah, and I had
a history of getting regularly attacked by what I perceived
to be demonic And what made it stop was when
I became a faithful individual and prayed for it to stop,
and it did stop. And so that that's probably why
it resurfaced in my dream. Because I'm of the opinion
that the You know, if we believe angels are real,
then we have to believe that demons are real, and
they are. And if we believe the demons are real,
then we have to believe the angels are real, because
otherwise why have the classifications. And if we believe that
God is real, then God has angels. And since God
can't lie, He's told us that there is a Satan
who has demons. And if you think of the story
of Job in the Bible, Satan was interested in Job
because Job was a righteous man. That's why he wanted
to go after him. And so that's how the demons are.
They want to go after you, and so that's how
I felt about all of this. They just they were
trying to find another way to come after me, and
they failed, but not by any mte of my own.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought that up, because that was going
to be my next question. I was going to ask
if you think that maybe you had that encounter with
it because it was there to test your faith.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you.
Speaker 2: Ever consider the possibility that that print might have been
left by one because it doesn't sound like you did.
Speaker 1: I did it, and it was it was at least
six and a half to seven inches long and maybe
four to five inches wide. But no, I mean when
I saw it and studied, I pondered it, and I
was I did listen to your show at the time,
and I wondered, but I didn't jump to that conclusion.
And so that's the reason I took comparative measurements with
my foot, and that's the reason when I went home,
I did research because I wanted to. I wanted to
make sure you know, I've listened to dog encounters from
an entertainment perspective, not necessarily from a cynical perspective, but
from an entertainment perspective. But it's always something that It's
always something that happened to somebody else. It's not something
that you expect to find yourself in that situation. So yeah,
my mind did think of it because it was so large,
but at the same time, I didn't jump to the
conclusion that that's what it was. I had to go
and do my research first, and then after doing my research,
I conclusively I went home and did the research. And
after I did the research, I actually did a video
because I do a YouTube channel and I'm not trying
to plug it really because I don't talk about dog
Man on my YouTube channel. But I did do it,
and I did document what I saw and the research
that I took to try to make sure what I saw,
and I came to the conclusion that's what I must
have seen. Well, like I mentioned, all of this stuff
happened contemporary to each other. So after going through that
and then walking outside, and there's this thing there that's
never been there before. And I love to go outside
and sit on my deck, and quite honestly, even when
i'm inside, I often sit at the table where I'm
looking out the sliding door at the park, and even
in the mornings, that's where the sun rises. So obviously
the back of my house faces east, and so putting
that together became more convincing when this red eyed creature
is out there inspecting me. I mean, I felt like
it was like saying, I'm checking you out. You know
where I'm, where I'm at, now I know where you're at.
I mean, I just felt like I was being surveilled.
I felt like it was an investigation. But I also
felt like if I had given it my attention, it
would have been it would have become maybe a little
bit more theatrical. Maybe maybe it would have done what
it tried to do to me in my dream. So yes,
when I saw the print, I considered the possibility, but
I did not jump to the conclusion.
Speaker 2: Well, as you know, it's never a good thing to
jump to conclusions anyway, So I'm glad you didn't. When
you took your dog over to the print to compare
her pauseize to it. Did she seem to be unsettled
or was she unfazed by that?
Speaker 1: She listens, Well, they seemed to be, uh, undistracted. They
were doing their thing. I just called her over to
make a comparison, because she was not unsettled. But then
when I take into consideration the deer carcass, it was
it wasn't a recent today even and plus it was
so the print was so deep in the mud. I mean,
it was very deep in the mud, and it was
still kind of muddy, but it was like muddy the
day after kind of muddy, and I didn't leave any impressions. Actually,
I took my dog's paw and I kind of pressed
on it to leave some print in the mud. But
it was enough to get some print. But as I
was walking on there. My prints didn't do anything to
the mud as far as a comparative death to this one.
And at the time I weighed about two and twenty
five pounds, and so if it was a dog that
made as deep an impression as that, I should have
made at least close to equal impression, even if it
was day after, because a dog would a big dog
would be nearly half my weight. So no, she didn't,
you know, they were busy. She just came over and
let me do what I had to do to make
a comparison. Because I quickly went into scientific mode. I'm
not a scientist, but I quickly went into scientific mode
to try to figure out what am I looking at
because it was remarkably big print, clear as day print too.
It was there's a lot of sliding and rustling going on,
but that that particular print was a perfect print.
Speaker 2: Well, that was a good find. Do you think the
fact that you'd been listening to the show before you
had that encounter or played at hand and you having it,
or do you think it was totally unrelated?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good question. Initially, No, I don't. I
don't think so. I do think that some kind of metaphysical,
beyond the physical related to these things. And so based
on that thought line, yeah, it could be because my
belief system. In some instances, when you give something too
much attention like that, it's almost like inviting them to Okay,
you're interested, let me, let me, let me cueak your
interest some more. And so in that respect, yes, but
listening to the show, you know, I do believe there's
such a thing as Bigfoot. I do believe. You know
that it's I don't have to believe it anymore. I
know there's dog Man now more than I know there's
Bigfoot now. But like I mentioned, my life had a
lot of stuff like that involved in it. And this
is crazy and bizarre, but up to an including dealing
with literally seeing UFOs, literally seeing creatures that are not
from Earth. I almost sound crazy to myself saying this,
but it's the truth. And so you know, I don't
think I had anything to do to the show, because
I found the show very entertaining. I believed that it
was I believe that the guests, most of the guests,
were telling the truth about their experiences because I had
such bizarre experiences in my life that how am I
to say that they're not having these experiences. But I
found it entertaining as well, because that's what I find
interesting is like, like I mentioned, like Bigfoot stuff, I'm
not really into the drama as much as I am
to the realities. And so when it's a reality that's
being investigated, like Bigfoot, for instance, you know it's it's
it's all. It's a global phenomenon, Like I can't see
a conspiracy amongst a bunch of international people to conspire
to say that this thing exists. And now the dog man.
You know, I never knew what a dog man was
until I came across YouTube talking about it. Probably your
show was the first one, and I found it intriguing.
I found it interesting, and I found it entertainment. I mean,
every Friday I was ready to go listen to my
Big Cundiffin dog Man encounters. But not once did I
anticipate that I would have a dog man encounter. I
didn't say that I didn't think it was impossible. It wasn't.
It just wasn't something on my radar. And like I mentioned,
what made me more convince is when I did the
video about it. One of the commenters commented about having
a similar experience in this area. But what really triggered
me to just follow through with it was I was
listening to the show and then another person said not
just Missouri, not just Lee's Summit, but James A. Reid Preservation.
And then it was like, oh my, I need to
share this. This is this is this is real.
Speaker 2: I've said this plenty of times before. You never do
expect to have a dog man the encounter until you
have one. It's just one of those things, it really is.
When you went out your back door the night you
had that encounter, did you almost instantly notice a lack
of ambient noise? Or was there no lack.
Speaker 1: Of ambient noise? I'm putting myself there, victor should I
remember I didn't give much attention to the noise. I
know that there wasn't a lot of noise. If there
was noise, it was coming out of my mouth because
I was talking on the phone and there weren't many
people around, which would make sense. I don't remember seeing
any people around, actually, and that makes sense because I
don't think it would show itself that way, especially if
it was. I mean, it was clearly clearly looking right
at me, as if it knew I was getting ready
to walk out my door, like not like I alerted it.
It wasn't like that. It was like it was just
waiting for me, almost like it was waiting for me
to come out the door. And so I can't say
that I can say anything about any ambient sound or
not because I was talking on the phone, and but
I did take in a lot fast by looking at it,
especially how black it was. I mean it was it
was almost like you'd be watching a movie or something.
It was so dark and so black that you could
only distinguish silhouette more than features. But I was talking
on the phone, and I got scared so fast to
turn around and go back in because by that time
I did connect it to the print that I saw,
so am I you know how fast the mind can work.
In my mind, I'm thinking, oh my gosh, it found me.
That's what I was thinking, because you know, I did,
like I mentioned, I did the video, and I had
come to the conclusion that I saw a dog man print.
I couldn't I couldn't put it anywhere else, especially where
I live. Now, if I lived in Alaska, I would say, well,
I could get away with saying well, that was a
huge Alaskan wolf print. But I don't live in Alaska.
I live in Missouri, and so I had resolved to
the fact that wow, along with the deer carcass and
it was clean. Whoever ate it ate it good, which
meant if it wasn't a pack of coyotes, it had
to be something with a pretty voracious appetite to clean
it up the way it was. I used to hunt
quite regularly in West Virginia and phil dressing deer and
you know, discarding the entrols. You know, you can come
back in a day or two and they're they're they're gone,
They're gone. But you can meacond a day or two
on a carcass and it won't be nearly as clean
as what I saw. And it also reminded me of
something big by the way it reminded me of something
that when I did live on that mountain. And it's
for any of the listeners, it's Elk Garden. They'll know
where that is. Elk Garden, West Virginia near Kaiser if
they know the area. I did live up there off
of Route fifty, and one time when I was out there,
it was an acre ground but across the street was
a pasture ground for sheep and cattle, and behind was
a what do you call it? Preservation? Wildlife? It was
just forest behind. But one time, off to the side
of the house where we kept a fire pit, I
did see claws had raked across the bark at about
seven feet up. And I just at that time I
didn't know anything about a dog man. I just I
didn't know a lot about bears. Like I said, I
encountered bears. I've eaten bears, you know, frankness, I mean,
shut them. But they were high claw marks. There was
about three of them diagoning across the tree, and they
were kind of high. But I just assigned them to
being a bear had done it back then, But now
talking to you and putting myself back on that mountain,
I remembered it, and now I'm wondering what if it
could have been something else.
Speaker 2: Listening to you describe how those claw marks were. You
said they were across the tree trunk and not down.
When bears mark trees normally it's straight down.
Speaker 1: You know, these were diagonal that they were heading down,
But they weren't straight down. They were more.
Speaker 2: Diagonal bears never do that, do they don't. They always
come straight down with their their markings.
Speaker 1: I didn't give that any thought at the time because
the only the only animal in my brain was a bear.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure they do. I think when they do that,
they come straight down with their claws. I could be wrong,
but that's what I think.
Speaker 1: You could be right, and and you and and it
would make sense. I mean, even if you catch a
bear like scratching itself, they generally squat up and down.
When when I saw the grizzly though, she was she
was rooting underneath that tree trunk, probably rooting for grubs
or something, before she lifted her nose and started sniffing,
And she was pawing the ground, kind of like if
you would be scooping something. So I don't know, because
I've never given any consideration to the angle of scratches
on the tree. But they were clear and distinct. They
were probably an inch at least apart. And the only
the only creature that came to my mind was a bear.
But now with all this going on, who knows. I
spent a lot of time outside too, but up there
I hate it with wood. I'd go to the woodshed
quite often. Who knows, I don't know. I know I
saw it though, and I wondered, how did the bear
get up here and get away with it? That's what
I thought.
Speaker 2: Well, when it comes to those claw marks, all we
can do is guess. But I don't know. I'm pretty
sure that bears, when they do break a tree, it's
normally straight down.
Speaker 1: So see, you've given me another research project.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. I guess I have.
Speaker 1: Yes, you have. You definitely have. Now it came to
mind talking to you. But up until now, Yeah, it's
it's just like the print. I mean, I'm I'm gonna
make sure first, but I think there's some validity of
what you're saying. I really do. But I'm a trust
but verified kind of guy, so I'm gonna check it out.
Speaker 2: You know what, here's something that I just thought of
Bears when they do that, from what I think I know,
they always use both paws. It sounds like what you
found was just one paw raking.
Speaker 1: Yes, and that that came to my mind. But that's
a that's a yes, and it was one paw almost.
It had to have been on the other side of
the tree from where the claws were, and they were
clawed from high up over my head, and like I said,
I'm six tall, and I remember actually reaching out and
touching them and thinking, wow, that's because the black bears
out there didn't really get that big. Some of them did,
but not that big. But I thought that that's a
pretty high bear Martin up there. I never thought of
a dog man, so maybe they had sniffed me out
even then, and I didn't know it because I spent
a lot of time in the woods.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that might be what was going on. Although I mean,
as you know, dog men are behind every tree, so
the odds of it being a dog man are pretty slim.
But at the same time, I've never known a beer
to do that kind of a marking with one paw,
So it does make you wonder, it really does.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: Now, I don't want to put words into your mouth. DK.
It sounds to me like you think that dogman was
a demonic entity, though, Is that accurate? Is that what
you think it was.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're demonic entities in this sense of apparitions. No,
I think that they are evil creatures. I think they're
evil creatures. I don't think I think they breathe. I
think they eat obviously, but I don't think they're good.
Speaker 2: Well, that makes two of us. I can understand why
you feel that way. One of the first things you
noticed on it where it's red eyes. Was there enough
ambient light out for its eyes to glow as brightly
as they were and be easily explainable? Or were they
glowing so bright that you think they must have been
self illuminated?
Speaker 1: Answer B. There was no plausible reason for that creature
to have the red eyes that I saw. And the
red eyes I saw didn't not come off as reflection
like you would think of a fox reflecting it's a light,
or any any any animal whose eyes reflect the light
like that raccoon and the and the and the spacing
was pretty good too. The spacing was more than human spacing.
But they were I would have to say, I would
have to say B. I I would There's no way
I would say A. I would have to say B,
because those red eyes belonged to that creature. Now why
they were so red that, I don't know, but they were.
They were red. It wasn't a reflection, It wasn't a reaction,
or it could have been. I guess an internal reaction.
But no, those eyes, those eyes originated with that creature.
Speaker 2: No, I believe you.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: You described it as having Batman ears that stood straight up.
Did you ever see them lay back or did they
stay erect the whole time?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. That's a good question, and and I'll
tell you why that's a good question, because when I
saw it, I had I had a combination thought of, uh,
spider Man and Batman. You follow me, and so spider
Man doesn't have it and Batman does, but his posture
was was was spider Man? But I've also seen Batman
in that posture too, Yeah, even iron Man, you know,
the superhero posture. I guess you'll call it. But if
I had this, if I had to say it, I
would have to say they were down and went up,
not up and went down.
Speaker 2: Okay, I see you told us about how you think
it was evaluating you, or it might have been evaluating
you if it actually was evaluating you, though the way
you said it felt like it was. Do you think
that made it automatically evil or do you think there's
still room left in there for it to just be
a flesh and blood creature that due to circumstance, you
have these feelings about its origins.
Speaker 1: Well, like I mentioned, thick, at first, I felt like
I was being surveilled and I felt fear immediately. But
just just me going out on my deck and being
scared back in the house and in and of itself
is abnormal. I'm more gonna be leaning in and like
what is that? You know? But I instinctively wanted to
turn around because I instinctively did not want this thing
to know anything about me. So I felt like it
was surveiling me and watched me evaluating me. But what
I felt I felt fear, which which was also normal.
But like I mentioned, when it showed up, I'm still
processing the print. I'm still processing my knowledge that dog
men exist, you know, and and I've heard of dog
men encounters in Missouri before and even on other shows.
But I'm still in the place where not me, you know,
until I saw it and then it was like me
and it's like no, no, no, no no, I'm not
gonna be a part of this. Uh. And that's why
I turned around. I did not want it to be
a part of my life. But in answer to your question,
I think that I'm answering your question, I came to
conclusion of originally I didn't. I didn't. I felt like
it was surveiling me. I didn't feel like any kind
of aggressive posture coming at me, but I still felt fear.
But then when I had the dream, it kind of
wrapped it up for me that your goal is to
scare me, and I didn't. I didn't scare enough for
you the first time, I guess. And then that's when
it became you know, I'm digging my heels in and
you can leave me alone. Because there was a time
when I I used to, like I said earlier, I
used to have attacks. They would I mobilize me, attack me.
And there was one There's one time when I had
moved to where i'm at where not where I'm at
now because of the fire, but I had moved to
my new home here in Missouri, at least some of Missouri,
and not long after I moved in, I was laying
downstairs sleeping, and I hadn't had any type of stuff
like that happened for a long time, and it happened,
and it made me angry, and it was like, it's
like following me, like you're following me. It's like I'm
in a new house and it made me angry, and
and that's that's that's where I went in that dream
of mine. I went back to that angry place of
leave me alone, not that fearful place. And I think
I think that angry place was disappointing. And I think
that I think that I think that angry place was
a victory. I guess I'll say over what its intent was?
Am I making sense?
Speaker 2: You are? Yeah, you're trying to work your way through
the possibility that it was disappointed with you not being fearful,
you're angry instead, and there might be something to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's what I felt like. And I felt
like I felt like since it couldn't scare me, it
had no choice but to move on. You know, I
already told you hurt me unless God says you can
hurt me, And now I'm mad at you, so leave
me alone.
Speaker 2: Hey, might be honest something there. I mean, if they
feed off fear the way so many people think they do,
then hey, it just might be right. You had that
nightmare about it the night that you had your encounter,
But have you had any other nightmares like that?
Speaker 1: Since none that come to mind. No, I haven't that one.
That one was, Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up again.
Yet that that that felt like the same way I
felt like the surveillance. It just felt like direct communication.
It felt like it didn't It didn't feel like I
was It didn't feel like I was dreaming. It felt
like I was being communicated too. And the communication was
you better be scared of me, and that's and I
communicated back. I guess it was not your normal dream.
I don't tend to remember my dreams. I know I
have them, but I don't tend to remember them. And
sometimes when they're interesting and I do remember them, I
try to elect the details. But if you asked me
two weeks later, they'd be gone. But this dream ain't
gone nowhere, and it hasn't gone anywhere.
Speaker 2: I can understand why. That's not the kind of dream
or nightmare you forget. So that makes sense. Your wife
wasn't with you when you had that encounter. What are
her thoughts on your experience?
Speaker 1: I never said anything to her about it.
Speaker 2: Oh you never told her? Were you reluctant to keep
her from her? Or you just flat out glad? You
never told her.
Speaker 1: I mean she knew I watched the dog Man Encounters
show listen to it, I should say, because it was
kind of like an ongoing humorous joke. I mean, it's
Friday night, I'm gonna I'm gonna go in the dog
Man Encounters. But I never I never mentioned that to her, ah,
because number one, she probably would have ridden me for
it and said, you just whatever. But number two, like
I said earlier, it didn't deserve too much of my attention.
To me, It's like if I if I go there again,
maybe maybe it'll come back again, you know, and I don't.
I don't want it to come back again. So I'm
not gonna. I'm not gonna give it any of my attention.
And that's why, and that's why I told you after
talking to you about it, I went out at night,
and and now the fear came up of going out
at night. I'm not usually I'm not usually afraid to
go out at night at all. And that's also another
reason why I didn't want to continue the conversation with her.
But like I said, after listening to your show and
hearing people right here, right here where I'm at now,
it's gone to just total, point blank reality and trying
to trying to deny. In my mind, trying to deny
reality is what will make a person delusional. And I
don't want to be delusional. I want to face and
confront the realities. And I guess that's why I face
it and confront of it in my dream. And the
reality is I'm a Christian servant of God who I
think protects me, and you're an evil bully basically leave
me alone.
Speaker 2: Sure sounds to me like you conducted yourself in the
best way possible when you had that nightmare, so.
Speaker 1: Softia after the fear though, well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're humans.
Speaker 1: It was fearful, and like I said, I had to,
I had to collect myself. When you're put under emotional stresses,
all of us, I imagine, we we run to our foundation,
We run to our stable place, you know, and my
stable place is faith.
Speaker 2: Good man, I'm glad that worked for you. You mentioned
your YouTube channel, a bit ago DK. How about a
shamless plug.
Speaker 1: DK. We'll talk about it. Is my channel. It's it's
not a very big channel. It's it talks about non
traditional finance, primarily cryptocurrencies, but also like precious metals and
things like that, and and I talk about I talk
about some type of conspiracy theorist ideas. However, like one
of my commenters said, we're not conspiracy theorists or conspiracy analysts,
and I basically, I basically just try to share insight
and truth on what I believe are the real facts
behind some of the narratives that are put in front
of us. You know, I've talked about other things besides
money as well. I've only done the one about the
dog man encounter after the day it happened. It's not
it's not my general topic of conversation. But if you know,
if somebody wants to learn how to make a little
extra money by investing, I think it'll be helpful. I
I do have. I did qualify as a registered rep
with a Series seven and worked for a financial advisor's outfit.
But I did I didn't want to keep doing it
because they monitor you too much. They once they let
you know where the money is, they want to control
you so that you don't let everybody else, And so
I let everybody else know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's always a catch. Seems like that's the case. Well,
it's about time for us to get out. If you're
a DK, But before we do, do you have any
clothes and comments who want to put out there for us?
Speaker 1: I would say, keep an open mind about the possibilities
of what's out there in life, because I can't imagine,
like I said about Bigfoot, I can't imagine the whole
globe trying to perpetuate a conspiracy theory and not having
met or known each other. And even though dog Man
was a new concept to me, everything I've said here
actually occurred. And as long as I've been alive and
living and in the woods and out camping and everything,
I never had any knowledge of such a type creature.
But now I have no doubt that such a type
creature exists. Because I don't do drugs, I rarely drink,
I'm and I'm a sane mind. And this literally happened.
And so reality sometimes forms itself right before your eyes.
But we have to keep an open mind to what
reality really is. And so I just say keep your
eyes open and keep your mind open with it.
Speaker 2: You made the transition from thinking they're out there to
knowing they are. That's a big difference. It really is.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Having said that, DK, I can't thank you enough for
coming on to share the details of those experiences with us.
I really appreciate it. Thank you pick Oh. You know
you're WelCom and if I can never help you out
in the future, please.
Speaker 1: Let me know.
Speaker 2: I will do that good man, I won't be there
for you well, thanks again so much and have a
great night.