WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:04.719 All right, we are live today at Arup Blood Services. 2 00:00:05.679 --> 00:00:08.839 It's ninety seven eighty six South five hundred West and Sandy, 3 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:12.000 let me repeat that as the edge was a. 4 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:13.560 Little loud coming in there. 5 00:00:13.800 --> 00:00:14.480 That's why I died. 6 00:00:15.400 --> 00:00:18.120 Ninety seven eighty six South five hundred West and Sandy. 7 00:00:18.719 --> 00:00:20.120 Give local, Save Local. 8 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:22.839 It's the sole blood provider for the University of Utah 9 00:00:22.879 --> 00:00:25.559 and the Huntsman Cancer Institute, which means we need blood. 10 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:29.320 If you're looking four ways to give back this holiday season, 11 00:00:29.879 --> 00:00:32.240 roll Up takes about thirty thirty five minutes of your time. 12 00:00:32.280 --> 00:00:34.600 We'll hook you up with a Megaplex gift card, Amazon 13 00:00:34.600 --> 00:00:37.159 gift cards on the table as well, and you can 14 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:40.000 say hello to the legend himself, Richard. 15 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:43.200 Smith on a Wednesday Smeddi, Happy Wednesday. 16 00:00:42.799 --> 00:00:45.640 Man, same to you, Spencer. This is by the way, 17 00:00:45.679 --> 00:00:48.920 this is a great spot for you to do your 18 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:51.240 show whenever you get the opportunity to come out here 19 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:54.240 to Arup. These guys do such a great job and 20 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:58.679 helping the University of Utah and the hospital and getting 21 00:00:58.679 --> 00:01:01.000 the blood and the donation they need, you know, to 22 00:01:01.039 --> 00:01:04.159 help people this time of year. So it's it's fantastic. 23 00:01:04.200 --> 00:01:07.599 I always love doing stuff with you in these kinds 24 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:10.599 of settings where people are trying to help help other people. 25 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:11.439 It's just terrific. 26 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:13.640 Well, I appreciate you saying that. I appreciate you being 27 00:01:13.680 --> 00:01:16.200 out here. It's nice to come out in this direction. 28 00:01:16.719 --> 00:01:19.079 So we've got you for an hour. We'll save the 29 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:21.599 jazz stuff for a little bit later, because I like 30 00:01:21.640 --> 00:01:23.760 to get your perspective on some of the local things 31 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:25.879 that are happening. And since you and I last spoke, 32 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:29.760 the head coach of the University of Utah said not yet, 33 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:31.920 not like this, and Coach Wit is back for year 34 00:01:31.959 --> 00:01:32.439 twenty one. 35 00:01:32.680 --> 00:01:37.599 Yeah, And I've got to say I've been surprised. 36 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:41.760 At what I perceived to be a reaction that I 37 00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:44.439 wasn't anticipating. And I want to be very clear here, 38 00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:48.319 I can't say forty percent of the community or twenty 39 00:01:48.640 --> 00:01:51.959 whatever it is, But based off of some emails I've received, 40 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:54.840 some phone calls, some text messages, and some of the reaction, 41 00:01:56.519 --> 00:01:58.439 I feel like he's still considered to be one of 42 00:01:58.480 --> 00:02:01.319 the best coaches in all of college football, and certainly 43 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:04.159 the best coach that this university. 44 00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:04.280 Has ever had. 45 00:02:04.560 --> 00:02:07.760 And I keep coming back to this line from Batman. 46 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:11.400 You either die a hero or you live long enough 47 00:02:11.439 --> 00:02:15.240 to become a villainy. Well, what's your take on some 48 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:18.800 people that think it might be time to the succession 49 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:19.680 plan to take place? 50 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:23.840 Well, first of all, my reaction is, who are these 51 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:27.439 people like? I mean, it's you know, it's Bobby in 52 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:31.280 his basement bedroom of his parents' home, like putting stuff 53 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:36.400 online or whatever. I mean to me, I mean guys 54 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:39.719 like Kyle Whittingham who have done what they've done, who's 55 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:43.759 shown you what they know what they're doing. And I mean, 56 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:46.960 to me, it's insulting that it's even you know, any 57 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:51.120 kind of a discussion topic among the people in general, 58 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:54.879 because someone who's shown what they can do and they 59 00:02:54.919 --> 00:02:57.319 have a bad year for whatever. All the reasons are 60 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:00.360 that everybody knows. All of a sudden, everybody wants to 61 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:03.639 jump ship and it's a uh, it's you know, but 62 00:03:03.759 --> 00:03:06.240 we live in spence in this uh what if you've 63 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:07.599 done for me lately? 64 00:03:07.719 --> 00:03:08.360 World? Right? 65 00:03:08.439 --> 00:03:12.400 And everybody wants everything yesterday, and so as soon as 66 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:14.960 it's not good, they're all they all want to throw 67 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:18.479 everything in the trash can and start over again. It's 68 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:21.319 it's really to me, it's really insulting. 69 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:22.080 Uh. 70 00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:25.719 For coach Winningham and for his staff, you know, to 71 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:28.800 have that kind of reaction after all they've done and 72 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:33.520 and shown what what they mean to college football in 73 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:36.560 in the Western United States and in this in this region. 74 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:42.599 It's you know, he he individually has done enough that 75 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:45.879 he should be allowed to do it. However he wants 76 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:49.439 to do it like he's gotten from me. He's gotten 77 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:52.960 that card that says you got it. You just do 78 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:55.319 whatever you want. You want to stay another five years, 79 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:57.800 you want to leave tomorrow, you want to have some 80 00:03:57.919 --> 00:03:58.520 other guy. 81 00:03:58.319 --> 00:03:59.199 Who's gonna be here. 82 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:02.840 So whatever it is, you've earned that right based on 83 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:06.360 what your track record has been. And this thing about 84 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:10.120 reacting to a bad season because of all the things 85 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:13.599 we know happened is just ludicrous to me. 86 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:16.800 Let me play Devil's advocate for a moment here while 87 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:19.839 also making my personal opinion clear, as I did the 88 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:24.000 Monday after the announcement. Kyle wants to come back. How's 89 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:26.399 coming back? I mean, I'm old enough to remember when 90 00:04:26.480 --> 00:04:28.920 six wins a bowl game and maybe beat BYU was 91 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:30.399 the pinnacle for Utah football. 92 00:04:30.800 --> 00:04:32.879 They were in the Rose Bowl two years ago. 93 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:37.959 Yep, Okay, Now this is a new world in collegian athletics, 94 00:04:37.959 --> 00:04:41.199 as you and I have discussed. But let me pose 95 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:43.759 this scenario to you and let's kind of process it 96 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:46.879 through to see if there's anything there. Because what's happened 97 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:50.639 now in the landscape of college football, and it's not 98 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:54.040 just in Utah, because whenever you hear a college football 99 00:04:54.079 --> 00:04:57.360 speak during the offseason, what is he talking about? Nil 100 00:04:57.560 --> 00:04:58.759 investment from the community. 101 00:04:58.800 --> 00:04:59.600 We need your help. 102 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:04.680 So there are powerful ute alumni, booster season ticket, older 103 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:09.399 donors that are now being asked to do more economically 104 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:12.199 and financially for the athletic department than they've ever been 105 00:05:12.199 --> 00:05:14.439 asked to do before. And some of them are writing 106 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:20.040 seven figure checks. Okay, I know that to be true. Therefore, 107 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:24.519 my guess would be their voices are going to be 108 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:27.839 a little bit more loud as it pertains to what 109 00:05:27.879 --> 00:05:29.519 they want their program to look like. 110 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:31.279 If you're asking us to write these checks. 111 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:35.680 If there are those people, not Bob in his basement, no, 112 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:40.439 powerful donors, people that are backing this program financially, that 113 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:43.560 call Taylor Randall and call Mark Carlt and say it's time. 114 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:45.319 What do you do with that? 115 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:49.399 Well, you know those are the guys Spence who are 116 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:56.240 also at every reception, every major announcement of whatever, hob nobbing. 117 00:05:56.680 --> 00:05:56.879 You know. 118 00:05:56.920 --> 00:06:01.560 We're using this live example, right of uh with Kyle Whittingham, 119 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:05.079 you know, rubbing shoulders with him, hanging out. Yeah, yeah, 120 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:07.199 I like this new quarterback. Yeah, this is gonna be 121 00:06:07.240 --> 00:06:10.079 great whatever whatever, and uh and they want to be 122 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:13.399 a buddy buddy in the program because they feel like 123 00:06:13.399 --> 00:06:14.560 they've bought their way in. 124 00:06:14.680 --> 00:06:17.240 Or they've earned their way in in some other regard. 125 00:06:18.839 --> 00:06:21.160 And then as soon as uh, uh, you know, there's 126 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:23.600 a ripple in the water, you know, they they start 127 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:26.639 running for the for the hills. I mean, that's you know, 128 00:06:26.879 --> 00:06:29.480 I'm not sure those are the people, you know, that 129 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:31.680 that you want involved in your program. If they, I mean, 130 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:34.160 you're either in in with the group or you're not 131 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:40.360 that that's kind No, that's right, and so uh, you know, 132 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:42.879 and I don't know if there's any of those people 133 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:46.120 necessarily uh you know involved at this point in time 134 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:48.560 with the with the University of Utah. I know exactly 135 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:50.759 what you're saying. There are a lot of those kind 136 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:54.040 of people who are who are what we always reference 137 00:06:54.079 --> 00:06:58.480 as heavy hitters, right, and they they have a voice 138 00:06:58.839 --> 00:07:03.399 in the room Okay, but there's there's some point, there's 139 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:06.079 some line in the sand where you know, you have 140 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:09.240 some guy who's been there for a little while and 141 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:14.360 he's been okay, had some success, some things didn't quite 142 00:07:14.439 --> 00:07:18.120 go right whatever. Okay, we're questioning what this is long term. 143 00:07:18.319 --> 00:07:22.839 But when you're talking about a Kyle Whittingham, you're talking 144 00:07:22.839 --> 00:07:26.959 about a Greg Popovich, you're talking about a Jerry Sloan, 145 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:30.439 whoever it is, who has shown you what they can 146 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:33.680 do when they have the players, when when everything's lined 147 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:36.279 up and they're ready to go toe to toe with 148 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:39.439 their opposition night and night out. You know, if those 149 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:42.439 guys still wanted to you know, be doing it and 150 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:45.639 they've they've got it, they know how to figure it out, they'll, 151 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:48.240 you know, Kyle Winningham, Yeah, it's a new landscape and 152 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:50.680 in I L and all that and transferred portal stuff. 153 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:54.639 But Kyle, I'm sure has gotten guys on his staff 154 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:57.879 who know how to navigate that stuff, who know how 155 00:07:57.920 --> 00:08:01.360 to what they need to do to be able to 156 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:06.680 keep that train moving forward. I know, like you know, uh, 157 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:09.240 not to transition off of for a second, but but 158 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:12.600 with Kevin Young, the new basketball coach at b YU, 159 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:15.839 you know, has brought in his a brand new staff 160 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:18.480 there and has lined up all these guys who work 161 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:21.279 in their office, you know, dealing with all this stuff. 162 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:24.000 And obviously we've seen a. 163 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:27.319 Big apple fall off the tree yesterday with the announcement 164 00:08:27.319 --> 00:08:31.000 of the Debanza kid uh committing to come to BYU. 165 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:34.320 But you surround yourself with people in the in the 166 00:08:34.440 --> 00:08:37.799 college landscape now, with people who know that, who know 167 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:41.559 the grassroots, who know what it takes and what you 168 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:44.120 have to be able to do. And you know what 169 00:08:44.200 --> 00:08:47.240 I'm afraid of is that that it's just starting to 170 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:50.519 get away from everybody in terms of, you know, what 171 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:53.879 the numbers are and what's what's happening now in college 172 00:08:53.960 --> 00:08:57.720 athletics across the board to get kids, you know, to 173 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:00.200 to commit to come to your university and play with you. 174 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:05.360 And I know Kyle's guy guys around him who are 175 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:08.720 figuring that out, who know what needs to be done, 176 00:09:08.919 --> 00:09:14.000 and they'll reset and they'll come back strong next year. 177 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:15.879 There's no doubt in my mind about that. 178 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:17.600 All Right, you referenced it. 179 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:19.919 Okay, we'll move off the coach with stuff and we're 180 00:09:19.919 --> 00:09:21.679 going to continue to kind of talk about some of 181 00:09:21.679 --> 00:09:25.039 the things that are causing ripples throughout the community. But 182 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:28.799 we now know, based off of some good reporting of 183 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:32.440 college basketball writers, that aj Debants has signed his letter 184 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:36.639 of intent November nineteenth or twentieth. Of course, as all 185 00:09:36.840 --> 00:09:38.879 young athletes do, there had to be a dog and 186 00:09:38.919 --> 00:09:41.720 pony show. He had to jump off a helicopter with 187 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:43.840 his red bull hat on to sit next to stephen 188 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:46.840 A Smith with his father to inform the world that 189 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:49.919 he has decided to attend Brigham Young University. 190 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:52.240 I always get a kick out of it because after. 191 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:55.639 The announcement, I listened to three or four random college 192 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:59.159 basketball podcasts, and I always get a kick out of 193 00:09:59.240 --> 00:10:04.200 listening in real time when national people learn about what 194 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:07.240 BYU was all about and so like. 195 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:09.600 For instance, this morning, I was listening to in a. 196 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:13.440 College basketball podcast where they learned in real time what 197 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:16.399 BYU's honor code is, and they learned in real time 198 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:18.840 what happened with Brandon Davies and why Jimmerfurdett never went 199 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:21.159 to a Final four and how the Brandon Davies situation. 200 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:24.600 So you know, Brandon was their second best player and 201 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:28.080 he gets kicked off the team for allegedly having premarital sex. 202 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:30.279 I think they went to the sweet sixteen, but. 203 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:32.320 For det was so next level that year, they probably 204 00:10:32.320 --> 00:10:34.600 could have gone to an Elite eight, maybe a Final four. 205 00:10:34.639 --> 00:10:35.159 We'll never know. 206 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:40.639 And so the reaction of the national media that cover 207 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:43.879 college basketball know who AJ is has been pretty funny 208 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:47.039 because they're stunned that AJ has picked Brigham On. 209 00:10:47.240 --> 00:10:49.000 Now. He could have gone anywhere. 210 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:53.799 His final final schools were Carolina, Kansas, Bama, and BYU. 211 00:10:53.919 --> 00:10:55.440 The reports are he really. 212 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:58.440 Wanted Bama, but they couldn't meet his financial ask and 213 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:01.919 Carolina and Kansas rely on their blue blood nature, so 214 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:03.440 they say, no, this is the deal. If you want 215 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:06.120 to play for us, you're gonna make this amount. Obviously, 216 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:08.559 there's a Ryan Smith angle here, there's a Danny Ainge 217 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:09.120 angle here. 218 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:10.360 The reports are he has. 219 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:13.919 Been paid between five and seven million dollars to play 220 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:17.440 college basketball BYU for five months because he and his 221 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:20.200 father both said on first take, we're one and done. 222 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:23.600 Now I will say, and you're gonna roll your eyes. 223 00:11:23.639 --> 00:11:26.480 And I love your reaction to this. Over the past 224 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:28.799 twenty four hours, I've read more about this kid than 225 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:33.600 I have anybody this year. It's Cooper Flagg twenty twenty seven. 226 00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:36.679 It's a kid named Tyrone Stokes and twenty twenty six 227 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:37.720 it's AJ Debansa. 228 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:39.720 There's a CBS poll. 229 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:44.039 They polled NBA scouts of those three players, Cooper Flag, 230 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:46.480 Tyrone Stokes, AJ Debantsa. Who would you take if they 231 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:49.440 were in the same draft? It was overwhelmingly in favor 232 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:53.000 of AJ. And from what I've seen, Smitty, I mean, 233 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:54.799 you know the deal. If you're at a high school game, 234 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:57.159 or even if you're at a college game, you're watching prospects, 235 00:11:57.759 --> 00:11:58.799 the prospects that are. 236 00:11:58.720 --> 00:12:01.080 Ranked between like thirty and like one hundred and twenty. 237 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:05.159 Sometimes it's hard to tell, like exactly what's different about 238 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:07.000 then the guys that pop. 239 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:10.919 You see like, oh, okay, and he appears to have 240 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:12.080 everything he wants. 241 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:15.720 There's a marathon between this day and the day he 242 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:20.600 enters the NBA. But from a Brigham Young Kevin Young standpoint, 243 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:25.600 what could yesterday mean for the program they're trying to build. 244 00:12:25.519 --> 00:12:28.519 Well first and foremost spence What it does It puts 245 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:33.480 by U right in the forefront of the national media 246 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:37.799 and and everybody else who follows college basketball to say, oh, oh, 247 00:12:37.879 --> 00:12:40.679 those guys are in the mix now, knowing on here, Yeah, 248 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:44.919 because you have a Devans and or you have Cooper 249 00:12:44.960 --> 00:12:48.960 Flag last year. Whoever all these guys Ace Bailey at 250 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:53.799 Rutgers and you know, all of a sudden, you're used 251 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:57.759 to hearing those kinds of names with the same group 252 00:12:57.919 --> 00:13:03.919 of schools all the time. Duke, North Carolina, Kansas sometimes 253 00:13:04.039 --> 00:13:08.480 U c l A, you know, uh Yukon. You know 254 00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:10.279 those are the those are the schools where all the 255 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:13.679 guys that gravitate too and then they sifted out through there. 256 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:16.720 Who's gonna who is gonna be a betefit for me? 257 00:13:17.240 --> 00:13:19.919 And and however they're judging that. But now all of 258 00:13:19.960 --> 00:13:22.879 a sudden, b y U is one of those guys, 259 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:25.840 because everybody's going, well, wait a minute, this isn't an 260 00:13:25.960 --> 00:13:29.440 LDS kid you know from oram Utah who decided to 261 00:13:29.480 --> 00:13:32.360 go here, or like they've had in the past, you know, 262 00:13:32.480 --> 00:13:35.120 like a Great Kite back in the eighties who came 263 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:39.840 from Houston, Texas, or a Danny Ainge in the late 264 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:43.320 seventies who came from Eugene, Oregon. You know, this is 265 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:48.600 a kid from Boston, Massachusetts. Sean Yeah, Sean Bradley was 266 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:51.039 down the street, you know, But this isn't this isn't 267 00:13:51.240 --> 00:13:54.840 an LDS kid, and he's not a local kid. He's 268 00:13:56.360 --> 00:14:00.279 you know you probably uh uh six months ago could 269 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:03.759 have challenged him with a map of the United States 270 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:06.200 to say, okay, you got three choice, you got three 271 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:09.720 chances to tell me where a BYU is located and 272 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:12.960 point to it on a map, right, But they end 273 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:17.080 up getting him to come from Boston to Actually he's 274 00:14:17.159 --> 00:14:20.559 been now his third high school and they he's down 275 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:24.559 at the Utah Prep and Hurricane doing his senior year 276 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:27.039 of high school and getting ready for BYU. So b 277 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:30.279 YU is showing that they're a major player with those 278 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:31.399 other guys now. 279 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:33.200 And the only. 280 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:35.799 Thing you can really equate it to or are the 281 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:39.080 two things that have happened in the last twelve months, 282 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:42.279 and that is that the change in the coaching situation 283 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:45.600 where Mark Pope left for Kentucky and b YU brought 284 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:50.000 in Kevin Young who has an NBA background and told 285 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:54.840 b YU and in certain regards that you know, if 286 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:57.279 you want to hire me, the only way I know 287 00:14:57.360 --> 00:14:59.200 how to do it is to set up an NBA 288 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:02.720 type program. And if we're going to do that, you 289 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:05.200 know that we have to be able to compete now 290 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:10.480 in the Big Twelve with Kansas, with Baylor, with Texas Tech, 291 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:16.519 with Kansas State, Arizona now in the Big Twelve. So 292 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:19.960 so yeah, these you know, this is a big time 293 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:24.720 basketball men's basketball conference, and so if you want us 294 00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:27.960 to be one of those guys, we have to be 295 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:31.759 able to compete on the same level they do to 296 00:15:31.879 --> 00:15:37.440 go after kids. Kids know about Kansas, right, they know 297 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:42.039 about Houston Baylor who won the national championship several years ago. 298 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:45.960 They know something about by U, but not a lot. 299 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:47.840 If you want to be with them in the same 300 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:50.519 breath with those guys, you got to make these kind 301 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:53.480 of changes. And that's the way Kevin Young is running 302 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:58.840 the program now. And also with the financial backing of 303 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:02.399 whether it's Ryan Smith or whoever it is, that that's 304 00:16:02.440 --> 00:16:05.279 that's lining up behind to take part in that from 305 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:11.159 the financial nil standpoint, but they've got the backing apparently 306 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:14.240 to do that. And so if that's the deal, then 307 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:18.080 what it does spends it opens up that big door 308 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:22.799 that now the one the one main kid has decided 309 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:27.399 he's going there. So now the other main kids, whoever, 310 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:30.799 they are coming down the pipe the next you know, year, 311 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:35.679 two years, five years, whatever it is. They're gonna say, well, yeah, yeah, 312 00:16:35.799 --> 00:16:38.399 you know, I'm one of the top rated kids and 313 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:40.960 I'm sixteen years old and I'm a high school sophomore 314 00:16:41.039 --> 00:16:44.039 and I got my list is you know, I'm already 315 00:16:44.039 --> 00:16:47.559 looking at Duke in Kansas and North Carolina and BYU. 316 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:50.720 And now they put BYU in with that group, you know, 317 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:54.799 because they've seen that that's a school that is gonna 318 00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:57.000 play with the big boys and can go. 319 00:16:57.159 --> 00:16:58.840 Now, what do they have to do? Now? 320 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:00.919 They have to bring it on the core. Now they 321 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:03.000 have to be able to produce on the court to 322 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:05.960 be able to win. So that brings added pressure to 323 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:09.519 the program in terms of having some level of success 324 00:17:09.559 --> 00:17:11.039 and being able to go to toe to toe with 325 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:11.640 those guys. 326 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:14.000 You know, Gonzaga has. 327 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:16.799 Done it for years, you know, with a from a 328 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:22.000 mid major profile in the Northwest, in the West Coast Conference, 329 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:26.160 a small school conference. But Gonzaga has been able to 330 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:30.240 also build it up but then make that transition to 331 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:33.519 the way it's being run now because they have donors, 332 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:36.119 they have people who are helping to say, yeah, we 333 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:39.599 want to stay up with those guys. And Gonzaga is 334 00:17:39.960 --> 00:17:42.519 the one school to me that I think, you know, 335 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:46.160 I love what they do, I love how they do it. 336 00:17:46.519 --> 00:17:49.599 But they are the school that in November and December 337 00:17:50.079 --> 00:17:55.599 they say, we play anybody anywhere, let's go. And it's 338 00:17:55.640 --> 00:17:59.240 not this like you know, Kentucky, Duke North, those guys, 339 00:17:59.319 --> 00:18:02.200 Oh they'll play you, but they'll play you three times 340 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:05.559 at their place and one time at a neutral place, 341 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:08.119 you know, or whatever. They always feel like we have 342 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:11.400 the leverage, we don't have to. But Gonzaga says, hey, 343 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:13.640 we'll go wherever you want us to go to Bahamas, 344 00:18:13.720 --> 00:18:16.400 you want us to go to Yukon, to going to 345 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:19.480 New York this week to play Yukon, they go, you know, 346 00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:22.400 they you know, they played in Seattle the other day 347 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:24.720 was a return game from Kentucky because they played at 348 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:26.759 Kentucky left all this stuff. 349 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:27.200 You know. 350 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:31.400 They've built that up where they play everybody anywhere. 351 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:32.960 Before their conference season. 352 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:36.920 BYU, I think is heading in that direction where they're 353 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:39.680 going to say, hey, we want to play everybody because 354 00:18:39.759 --> 00:18:42.359 this is what we do, and that's how we attract 355 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:45.799 the good players. Because the good players want to play 356 00:18:46.359 --> 00:18:49.720 in big games. They want to play against the other guys. 357 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:53.880 You know, and if you're not worried about your preseason 358 00:18:53.960 --> 00:18:57.799 conference schedule, and you're not worried as a coach about, well, 359 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:00.240 we have to figure out how to get to be 360 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:04.279 eleven and two before we go into conference, because that 361 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:07.799 shows everybody that I'm a good coach and that I'm gonna, 362 00:19:08.319 --> 00:19:09.400 you know, I'm gonna be able to. 363 00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:11.559 Hold on to my job for next year or whatever. 364 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:12.079 You know. 365 00:19:12.920 --> 00:19:18.799 That's the players want to play in the big games 366 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:21.359 whenever they can, and they want to play against the 367 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:24.559 other guys, and so that's what BYU is setting themselves 368 00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:27.240 up to do. And they're off to a running start, 369 00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:31.759 obviously with the recruits they've got this year and deming 370 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:35.839 and catchings and now this kid coming from Boston in 371 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:36.240 a year. 372 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:41.960 So there's a chance, whether it's intentional because leadership is 373 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:47.839 seen around corners, or there's some serendipity involved that BYU 374 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:50.200 is a little bit ahead of the curve as far 375 00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:53.079 as how they've been able to build their basketball infrastructure. 376 00:19:53.880 --> 00:19:54.559 And here's why. 377 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:58.200 On the football side of things, you hear all the time, 378 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:01.519 we have to start building out our infrastructure the same 379 00:20:01.519 --> 00:20:04.200 way the NFL does. So now we have general managers 380 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:06.960 in college football and there are other staff additions that 381 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:10.359 sound very much like an NFL press release. Kevin has 382 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:12.880 Will Voight, who you know, who's the head coach of 383 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:16.400 teams internationally as well as the G League, Tim Fanning, 384 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:19.279 over Time Elite. His strength and conditioning staff are all 385 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:24.920 former NBA people. His nutritionists she came directly from pro basketball. 386 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:29.880 There's no other staff in college basketball built like this, Smitte, 387 00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:33.400 There really is not, And the main reason why is 388 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:36.000 that it's really rare for people who have tasted NBA 389 00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:38.079 charter food to decide that they want to go take 390 00:20:38.119 --> 00:20:42.359 a rental car to Des Moines, Iah to recruit a prospect. Right, So, 391 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:47.240 look there before we break, the question I have for 392 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:51.279 you is is this sustainable to the point where we're 393 00:20:51.319 --> 00:20:54.839 seeing the beginning stages of Kevin and Brigham Young building 394 00:20:54.880 --> 00:20:58.039 a college basketball powerhouse? Or is it Ben Simmons to 395 00:20:58.200 --> 00:21:00.559 Lsu is it Dewan Wagner Memphis. 396 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:02.920 We've seen this right before. 397 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:06.880 We've seen big time top prospects take the path less 398 00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:09.720 traveled by because the uncle's the assistant coach or whatever 399 00:21:09.759 --> 00:21:12.599 it is, and it's just a moment in time. Does 400 00:21:12.599 --> 00:21:14.359 this feel like to you it's the start of something 401 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:15.839 pretty sustainable down in provo. 402 00:21:16.160 --> 00:21:19.039 Well, I think what will happens Spence is, as you 403 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:21.400 mentioned a minute ago, you can get all this stuff 404 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:23.839 set up, you can line it all up, you can 405 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:26.799 get all the best people around you and to help 406 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:29.160 get the program up and going the way you want 407 00:21:29.440 --> 00:21:31.799 and going in that direction. You can have the support 408 00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:35.119 behind you in terms of the finances, the resources you 409 00:21:35.160 --> 00:21:39.200 make available. But at the end of the day in March, 410 00:21:39.839 --> 00:21:42.920 you have to be whatever it's going to be. You 411 00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:47.000 have to be twenty seven and three and you know, 412 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:48.440 making a deep. 413 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:50.039 Run in the NCAA tournament. 414 00:21:50.119 --> 00:21:52.640 You know, if you get the top players and your 415 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:57.319 team is waddling around eighteen and fourteen year or whatever 416 00:21:57.400 --> 00:22:00.000 like that, you know, then people are going to start 417 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:02.720 questioning whether they can actually do it. 418 00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:03.279 On the floor. 419 00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:07.279 And that's always the final The final verdict is is 420 00:22:07.480 --> 00:22:10.079 how well do you play and what do the wins 421 00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:12.880 and losses, you know, stack up to be. If he 422 00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:15.759 brings in the right guys and they're coaching them up 423 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:18.480 and they get all this support and they they don't 424 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:22.119 play as well as is expected, you know, then then 425 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:24.799 there's gonna be a lot of you know, raised eyebrows. 426 00:22:25.720 --> 00:22:27.359 But if they if they start. 427 00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:29.960 Running it like in Zaga has for years, right, and 428 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:32.559 every year you know they're gonna be in the mix 429 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:36.240 for the conference championship and they're gonna be you know, 430 00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:40.079 twenty five and and five, or they're gonna have a 431 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:42.519 winning record and they're gonna get on runs in the 432 00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:47.519 NCAA tournament. That's what builds up that momentum and sustains it. 433 00:22:47.720 --> 00:22:50.759 But that's that's really what the end the end game is. 434 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:54.039 Do all this other stuff, which is a lot of noise, 435 00:22:54.440 --> 00:22:56.480 but at the end, we got to come out and 436 00:22:56.519 --> 00:22:58.400 produce and we got to take care of business. 437 00:22:58.480 --> 00:23:00.279 Yeah, I gotta go to work. Kevin's got to coach now. 438 00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:03.480 I mean, John Calipari did win a national championship, but 439 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:05.119 when you look at the list of players he's had, 440 00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:07.400 people wonder if he's a coach or a car salesman. 441 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:09.200 I don't know. I hope that doesn't sound harsh. 442 00:23:09.599 --> 00:23:12.079 All right, we'll catch a break before we do. Deb 443 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:15.240 Jordan stops buy out here at Arup Blood Services. 444 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:16.480 Deb, how are you? I'm great. 445 00:23:16.480 --> 00:23:18.359 It's so great to listen to this great conversation. 446 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:20.720 He's a wealth of knowledge. I just sit back and 447 00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:22.559 ask the questions and listen, it's a lot of fun. 448 00:23:22.759 --> 00:23:23.119 All right. 449 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:25.880 We're asking for blood donations today out here at ARUP 450 00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:29.200 Blood Services at ninety seven eighty six South Sandy Parkway. 451 00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:31.559 As I ask you to do to start every segment, 452 00:23:31.680 --> 00:23:33.759 we are incentivizing. 453 00:23:32.920 --> 00:23:34.960 You to do good. What are we doing for our 454 00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:35.559 listeners today? 455 00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:38.240 Yeah, First of all, that feeling of euphoria is also 456 00:23:38.279 --> 00:23:40.480 a sense of doing good. So but for us for 457 00:23:40.599 --> 00:23:43.039 giving out ten dollars Megaplex gift cards to our blood 458 00:23:43.039 --> 00:23:46.759 donors and twenty dollars Amazon cards to our platelet donors, 459 00:23:46.960 --> 00:23:48.599 and we have this great drawing every day for one 460 00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:50.799 hundred dollar Amazon, we figure we can help you buy 461 00:23:50.839 --> 00:23:52.839 some Christmas presents or put that turkey on the table 462 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:53.319 for you too. 463 00:23:53.559 --> 00:23:55.160 So I'm reading this on the copy points. 464 00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:57.720 The hospitals you guys serve, need at least seventy five 465 00:23:57.799 --> 00:23:59.680 donors per day to meet needs. 466 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:01.440 Do what is it about this. 467 00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:01.880 Time of year? 468 00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:04.480 I think it's every day of the year. The hospital's 469 00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:07.680 growing to meet the growing population. The Huntsman is growing 470 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:10.519 to meet the demands of councer patients. They also serve 471 00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:13.880 the Greater West regions and they're seeing patients from outside 472 00:24:13.880 --> 00:24:17.240 of Utah, so they're really busy. But that includes blood drives, 473 00:24:17.319 --> 00:24:19.119 so people can donate out in the community at one 474 00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:20.119 of our blood drives as well. 475 00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:23.559 All Right, we were talking last segment about the Huntsman Cancer Institute, 476 00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:26.400 and you do not know this, Smitty does some of 477 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:29.400 my listeners do. I am a alumni of the Huntsman 478 00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:31.960 Cancer Institute and I needed blood when I was there. 479 00:24:32.440 --> 00:24:35.640 And it's funny you don't really consider, like, hey, I 480 00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:37.440 wonder where this blood came from. You're just like, hey, 481 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:40.319 I kind of need this right now. So what specifically 482 00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:43.000 about the Huntsman Cancer Institute is so kind of vital 483 00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:44.960 for our listeners to come donate to make sure we're 484 00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:45.559 helping them out. 485 00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:47.359 You know, I didn't know that about you. I also 486 00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:50.319 am a Huntsman alone. I haven't hit my five years yet, 487 00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:54.799 so I'm still in that period chemotherapy. Some chemotherapy treatments 488 00:24:54.880 --> 00:24:58.240 just eradicate, they just destroy platelets and so you're just 489 00:24:58.279 --> 00:25:00.960 sort of bleeding on the inside. So we want to 490 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:04.599 make sure that the chemo patients, the cancer patients, that 491 00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:06.960 the patients who have sickle cell can have that blood 492 00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:10.039 and platelets available to them. Platelets only last five days. 493 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:11.759 So we always need donors to come in. You can 494 00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:14.640 donate every two weeks. But being a Huntsman alum is 495 00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:16.000 not something that you really want to be in that 496 00:25:16.039 --> 00:25:18.240 same club. But there's a lot of people here in 497 00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:19.880 the Salt Lake Valley and we need to help them. 498 00:25:20.039 --> 00:25:22.000 It's not a club you want to be in, but 499 00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:24.119 when you are in it and you come out the 500 00:25:24.119 --> 00:25:27.079 other side, there's a perspective that you can't teach. 501 00:25:27.319 --> 00:25:29.559 Yeah, I didn't need a transfusion when I was there. 502 00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:31.640 I was really lucky when I was being treated there, 503 00:25:31.839 --> 00:25:34.240 But you know, you just feel awful. Your life is 504 00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:37.720 just spiraling out. And so the fact that a family 505 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:39.200 is going through that, or a dad or a mom 506 00:25:39.319 --> 00:25:41.200 or a grandma is going through that, we want to 507 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:42.880 make sure that they're not worried about anything else when 508 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:44.720 they're there as well, Like the blood is there, the 509 00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:46.880 plate's there, everything is there that they need to get 510 00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:47.799 treated for sure. 511 00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:50.039 All right, before I set you loose, let's just tell 512 00:25:50.079 --> 00:25:52.519 people about the process they'll go through when they come 513 00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:53.400 out here to donate. 514 00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:55.720 So it's pretty easy. You come in and you greet 515 00:25:55.759 --> 00:25:59.160 with our receptionist and you have a little health history 516 00:25:59.240 --> 00:26:01.319 questionnaire that kind of through all your medications and what 517 00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:03.359 your body is going through at the moment. We want 518 00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:05.200 you to be healthy. You get a little mini health 519 00:26:05.240 --> 00:26:08.880 screening with our forubottomist, and then the donation process for 520 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:11.319 a blood only takes about, you know, thirty minutes total, 521 00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:14.640 So for thirty minutes you can really save three people's lives. 522 00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:16.880 And then you can come out and hang out in 523 00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:19.200 the waiting room and eat the best snacks around. 524 00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:21.599 You can ask smitty basketball question. You had to come 525 00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:22.599 hang out with us, right. 526 00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:24.200 It's pretty great. You guys should come down today. We're 527 00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:27.279 open until seven tonight. We're open seven days a week. 528 00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:29.279 We're going to be closed on Christmas, so that means 529 00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:31.000 we need a few more donors a day before and 530 00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:33.519 a few more donors a day after. But that allows 531 00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:34.839 our staff to have the day off as well, but 532 00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:35.880 the hospital doesn't stop. 533 00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:38.000 Deb Thanks for your work. Thanks for okay. 534 00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:41.920 Here's the address, ninety seven eighty six south five hundred 535 00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:43.960 West in Sandy. Very easy to find, but I would 536 00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:45.119 put it in your GPS. 537 00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:46.400 Follow that out. 538 00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:48.839 We've got a station van out front ninety seven eighty 539 00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:51.279 six out five hundred West and Sandy all. 540 00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:52.400 The blood stays in Utah. 541 00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:54.640 They are the sole provider for the University of Utah 542 00:26:54.759 --> 00:26:56.640 and the Huntsman Cancer Institute. 543 00:26:57.039 --> 00:26:57.799 So please come out. 544 00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:00.279 Get a Megaplex gift card, Amazon gift card on the 545 00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:03.680 table as well. Out here at Arup Blood Services on 546 00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:05.880 a Wednesday. 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Richard Smith is live on site ninety 558 00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:50.799 seven eighty six South, five hundred West and Sandy very 559 00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:53.440 easy to find the phone numbers eight oh one, five 560 00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:56.200 eight four fifty two seventy two. You can visit Utah 561 00:27:56.240 --> 00:27:59.559 blood dot org for more information if you have any questions. 562 00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:02.799 Open seven days a week, they will be closed on Christmas. 563 00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:04.200 So if you're looking for something to do this. 564 00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:07.480 Holiday season, come on, buy and do some good, donate 565 00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:10.640 some blood. Are you you fan of the holidays? 566 00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:13.599 You get Christmas out, you decorate the tree, get ready 567 00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:15.799 for the Well, no. 568 00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:15.920 We do. 569 00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:18.880 We do it all. But my my wife, Linda does 570 00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:22.480 all that stuff. She's she gets all the house you 571 00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:25.519 know where I live in a scenario, you know, spence, 572 00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:27.960 so I can try and help with something. I'll put 573 00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:30.680 something on a shelf and then she'll come over five 574 00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:33.279 minutes later, and you know, it goes over here, does 575 00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:35.000 it's it's over on this. 576 00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:37.319 Side, not that sid Well, that's probably good. 577 00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:37.359 You know. 578 00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:39.599 But I and I joke about that, of course, but 579 00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:41.960 but she but I mentioned that to a friend of 580 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:44.599 behind just recently about that, and she's asked me about 581 00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:47.599 Christmas decorator. I said, well, yeah, my wife does it, 582 00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:49.799 does it all. But I seem to like not put 583 00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:51.960 stuff in the right place. And he says, oh, yeah, 584 00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:56.440 that's that's I'm onto that guys do that on purpose, 585 00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:59.680 so that so that the the the wife of the 586 00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:01.759 women in the house will go, hey, why don't you 587 00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:04.319 go downstairs and watch the football game? And I'll take 588 00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:06.960 care of the decorating. Okay, you guys got that all 589 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:09.799 figured out. And I go, really, she goes, oh, yeah, 590 00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:10.720 I'm onto you guys. 591 00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:12.039 No, no, that's not true. 592 00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:14.480 Okay, And I don't want to wait into the area 593 00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:18.559 of misogynist it takes. But when I was home for Thanksgiving, 594 00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:21.480 I decided I was going to clean the kitchen and 595 00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:24.279 I was going to do the dishes, and my dear mother, 596 00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:28.720 bless her heart, comes downstairs and changes every like. 597 00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:30.400 I put everything in the wrong place. 598 00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:30.799 Yeah. 599 00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:33.960 So yeah, I guess what's the answer. 600 00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:35.680 You try to help out a little bit, but when 601 00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:37.480 it comes to the final decision, you just take a 602 00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:38.720 step back and say do your thing. 603 00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:39.200 Yeah. 604 00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:43.359 Well, you know, in our whole household anyway, Spence, for 605 00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:48.119 anything that we do, it's it's it's an equal opportunity place. 606 00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:52.119 I have one vote and my wife has two votes, 607 00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:54.680 and so that's you know, that's how it run. That's 608 00:29:54.680 --> 00:29:55.759 a democratic society. 609 00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:57.519 Maybe that's how you stay married. And you're better at 610 00:29:57.519 --> 00:29:59.480 it than I certainly have proven to be. All right, 611 00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:03.119 Richard's live on site real quick breaking news. Bill Belichick 612 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:05.960 is accepting the North Carolina coaching job. 613 00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:09.680 Yeah, what I don't. Hey, look, everybody has to do 614 00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:13.519 their home thing. Bill Belichick again in uh, you know, 615 00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:17.799 we talked about Kyle Whittingham in the last segment. Belichick 616 00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:20.559 has done so much to prove who he is as 617 00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:23.559 a coach and at the NFL and the pro rags. 618 00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:26.480 He's got to be some kind of you know, lifer 619 00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:29.480 who's just itching to get back in the film room 620 00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:31.599 and on the on the practice field and all that 621 00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:34.519 kind of stuff. To to go back to college, especially 622 00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:38.680 with all this nil transfer portal stuff. He's, uh, you know, 623 00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:41.960 why would you when if you're someone who's in in 624 00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:45.000 his position go back and do that. It's got to 625 00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.240 be just because he has such a such an itch 626 00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:50.640 to do that kind of work and to get into 627 00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:54.160 it and and you know, especially at the college level 628 00:30:54.200 --> 00:30:57.400 where you're doing that recruiting and all that stuff. But yeah, 629 00:30:57.440 --> 00:30:59.519 that's a kind of a surprise to me. 630 00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:02.519 Are our coaches just lunatics? 631 00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:05.720 I mean, can they not walk away once they're because 632 00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:09.519 it seems like lifers, right. Some of them do transition 633 00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:12.839 into media, uh, and some of them do transition into 634 00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:15.880 other things. But I mean, Bill Belichick's been a football 635 00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:17.720 coach for like fifty years. Is it just kind of 636 00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:18.960 at some point what you know. 637 00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:25.319 Yeah, well that's you know, you some guys have to 638 00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:28.039 have it in their blood and they're just like they 639 00:31:28.119 --> 00:31:30.119 just they just can't get away from you. Whether it's 640 00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:33.720 Jay Wright, you know at Villanova, who did step away 641 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:35.759 while he was right in the middle of his his 642 00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:39.519 career and and and and uh really doing well at Villanova. 643 00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:42.240 Whether it's Mike Krzyzewski who was near the end of it, 644 00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:44.279 you know, in terms of his age and stuff, but 645 00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:46.960 he just decided that now is the right time to 646 00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:49.880 step back. And you know, Bill Belichick, it didn't go 647 00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:51.960 I think the way that he wanted to at the 648 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:55.440 end with New England, and uh has been out for 649 00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:57.519 a couple of years, and you know, looks like he 650 00:31:57.960 --> 00:31:59.319 just has to be around the game. 651 00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:00.559 And maybe this is. 652 00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:03.319 An opportunity where he gets to be able to do 653 00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:05.200 it the way he wants to do it, and you know, 654 00:32:05.480 --> 00:32:08.680 at a place that's that's a high profile school. 655 00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:11.720 So well, and maybe it's an avenue back to pro football. 656 00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:12.720 I don't know. I don't know. 657 00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:16.039 Interesting news though, is Bill Belichick has accepted the job 658 00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:19.119 at North Carolina to coach their football team. All right, 659 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:21.960 last segment discussing some of the local stuff with aj 660 00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:24.759 Debant's high speed ahead to bring me young, and coach 661 00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:28.240 went back on the sidelines when it comes to coaching 662 00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:31.000 the youths for the twenty first season coming up, I 663 00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:33.039 want to ask you one more question in this space 664 00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:39.039 and then we'll do some jazz I guess. Transfer portal nil. 665 00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:42.680 As of this morning, I haven't checked the up to 666 00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:46.039 date numbers. This afternoon, we're approaching two thousand football players 667 00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:49.200 in the transfer portal. We talked about, you know, the 668 00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:52.640 players that Utah is losing and they're gonna lose more. 669 00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:53.400 That's just the deal. 670 00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:58.119 Initially I pushed back on the premise that this was 671 00:32:58.160 --> 00:32:59.359 becoming pro sports, but. 672 00:32:59.319 --> 00:32:59.960 Now it just is. 673 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:05.359 And it seems like every single issue that drives fans crazy, 674 00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:09.279 every single issue that drives administrators and coaches crazy, really 675 00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:12.240 could be solved by allowing the players to unionize and 676 00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:15.359 collectively bargain with the governing body that run And I'm 677 00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:18.599 saying football specifically, okay, And yes, I know that the 678 00:33:18.640 --> 00:33:22.720 ancillary issues are plentiful. And whenever you hear pushback on 679 00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:26.240 the pro model comes from university presidents who do not 680 00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:28.880 want these young people to be employees of their institution. 681 00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:32.359 And I understand that, but I'm SPORTSCOC radio host. So 682 00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:34.119 we're going to stick with the football side of things. 683 00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:38.119 What's the downside, Smitty at this point? Because at least 684 00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:41.640 if you allow the players to unionize collectively, bargain and 685 00:33:41.720 --> 00:33:43.559 it would be a mess, it would take a long time. 686 00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:47.519 At the very least, they will sign contracts to stick 687 00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:50.599 around for a couple of years. And look, each contract, 688 00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:52.480 just like in the pros, would be different. Your opt 689 00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:55.000 out is this, if you don't play this amount of games, 690 00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:58.240 if you're not happy after a year, maybe it's a 691 00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:00.720 one and done thing where you can leave the next season. 692 00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:03.480 But if you're the institution, you would have the ability 693 00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:05.839 to sign a player for maybe three years and then 694 00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:08.199 he's allowed to go pro or whatever. Do you see 695 00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:11.280 any downside at this point to the model that the 696 00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:14.440 pros use, that college is clearly leaning into anyway. 697 00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:16.719 No, Well, it seems like it has to go in 698 00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:19.360 that direction because right now, when you're talking about in 699 00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:23.679 professional sports, you negotiate with someone you know, whether they're 700 00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:26.159 a draft pick that's coming in or a free agent 701 00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:31.559 that you're trying to acquire you have a written agreement 702 00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:35.480 that says that they're going to perform for you services 703 00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:38.159 that you will in turn pay them for for X 704 00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:42.119 amount of period of time. In college now, you don't 705 00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:46.000 have anything like that that's binding. So you can have 706 00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:48.679 you know, you can have a guy coming into your 707 00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:52.119 program and he's all set to go and something goes 708 00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:55.400 wrong in a practice or a friend of his and 709 00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:58.519 another school says, Oh, we're really we're really killing it 710 00:34:58.599 --> 00:34:59.119 in practice. 711 00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:00.599 We're gonna be a good team this year. 712 00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:02.960 Too bad you didn't come and play with us whatever, 713 00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:05.360 And the kid goes, oh, maybe maybe I should come 714 00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:08.159 play with you guys. I mean, you can do that 715 00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:11.679 at this point in time in college athletics, So they 716 00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:15.599 have to have something that they're gonna be able to 717 00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:20.920 put their teeth into that that allows the institutions to 718 00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:24.920 have some modicum of control in terms of how they're 719 00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:29.320 running their programs with respect to the student athlete, because 720 00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:33.679 otherwise it's just this wild wild West that's a revolving 721 00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:38.559 door and and everybody's coming every you know, in and out, 722 00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:40.920 and you don't know who's on what team, and and 723 00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:48.440 it really really references the uh the old Seinfeld routine 724 00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:50.639 that he used to do about growing up a Mets 725 00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:53.519 fan and all his all his guys and he rooted 726 00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:56.679 for you know, Tommy ag and Cleon Jones and all 727 00:35:56.719 --> 00:35:58.079 these guys when he was growing up. 728 00:35:58.039 --> 00:35:59.000 And they were his guys. 729 00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:01.320 And and now he's says, I'm still a Mets fan, 730 00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:04.079 but I don't know who's playing for the Mets because 731 00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:07.679 you know, the guy's changed so much and everything, because 732 00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:10.679 so really I'm not rooting for the players. Really, what 733 00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:13.679 I find I'm doing is I'm just rooting for laundry. 734 00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:17.519 You know, So whoever's wearing a Mets jersey, that's who 735 00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:18.320 I'm rooting for. 736 00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:19.960 But I don't even know who the guy is. 737 00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:23.199 And so, you know, that's that's what it's gotten to 738 00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:27.519 in terms of college athletics. You know, the teams are 739 00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:30.239 switching around, the players are switching in and out every year. 740 00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:33.039 We don't have a gymmer for Debt for four years 741 00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:35.719 to root for and grow up with and see them 742 00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:38.559 get better and all that, yeah, and all that kind 743 00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:42.320 of stuff. So, uh so that that's what's disturbing about 744 00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:44.440 college athletics right. 745 00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:45.880 Now in that regard. 746 00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:51.320 And then whatever is happening with the revenue producing sports, right, 747 00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:57.079 which is always said to be football and men's basketball. 748 00:36:57.199 --> 00:36:57.360 Right. 749 00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:03.639 Uh, some schools maybe women's basketball somewhat, some schools maybe 750 00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:07.320 like the University of Utah with the women's gymnastics. You know, 751 00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:11.360 But again, why is that that way up there, Spence? 752 00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:15.360 Because they've had a winning program that's been sustained for 753 00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:18.760 so many years and people have gotten used to that 754 00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:22.159 and they want to be part of that winning, you know, 755 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.920 positive environment. And what's gonna happen with all of the 756 00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:30.440 other ancillary sports, you know, the tennis team and the 757 00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:33.320 track and field team, and the baseball team, and you know, 758 00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:37.679 whoever it is that that aren't revenue producing sports, how 759 00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.519 are they going to be affected by all of this stuff? 760 00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:44.679 Is really is really going to be very interesting in 761 00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:45.599 the coming years. 762 00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:48.920 All Right, got about ten minutes ish left with Smitty, 763 00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:50.840 so we will talk some jazz. 764 00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:58.280 Okay, all right? That was that was good. That's good, Spence. 765 00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:00.280 The pregnant pause that. 766 00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:04.320 Look, I'm going to say this and you're gonna roll 767 00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:06.719 your eyes at me, but John Collins is a fifty 768 00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:07.800 to forty ninety guy this. 769 00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:10.679 Year, that's right, And he's twenty seven years old. 770 00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:11.039 Yep. 771 00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:17.000 And I feel like because Walker Keyante Taylor Price. I 772 00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:19.360 feel like because there's so many nineteen twenty twenty one 773 00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:22.159 year old players on the roster and they're so far 774 00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:23.599 from being even average. 775 00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:27.119 We talk about John like he's forty yep. Is there 776 00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:28.159 an area. 777 00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:30.880 In your mind, a space that exists that John might 778 00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:34.159 be a player that is playing better Underwill than he 779 00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:36.440 ever did with any coach he's had before, And maybe 780 00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:38.920 he's part of like this thing. But I don't know, man, 781 00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:40.559 I'm trying to make it interesting space. 782 00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:41.679 No, no, but that. 783 00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:44.559 But it's a great point because when they made their 784 00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:48.559 trade for John Collins, he was really more like their 785 00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:51.960 version of a free agent signing right. They couldn't get anybody. 786 00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:55.920 Atlanta almost seemed like they wanted to trade him, you know, 787 00:38:55.960 --> 00:38:58.679 from the moment they re signed him, and it seemed 788 00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:00.400 like it was a move that they had made at 789 00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:04.039 that time simply because they didn't want to lose him 790 00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:07.320 for nothing. So they signed him, signed him at that 791 00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:10.199 time to a contract that a lot of people thought 792 00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:14.239 was maybe too much, you know, in the twenty five 793 00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:17.400 million dollar range a year for what he did for 794 00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:20.840 the team. They were willing to trade him. Eventually, the 795 00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:24.639 Jazz had had money available, so they so they took 796 00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:28.119 him in to take a look at him. And now 797 00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:32.039 he's playing a different game. He's you're you're exactly right. 798 00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:34.239 A lot of people lose sight of the fact that he's, 799 00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:38.159 really basketball wise, just entering his prime. He's in that 800 00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:42.000 same window that Lowry markin is in. They're the same age. 801 00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:46.760 And so has he refined his game? Has he been 802 00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:49.760 able to change some of his game enough that it 803 00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:53.760 fits in. Is it, if you want to take the 804 00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:58.920 negative view, is it because he's with a team that's 805 00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:02.559 not expected to win and a team that's struggling to 806 00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:05.920 win games right now. So when you have those games 807 00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:08.320 and you're in those games on that side of it, 808 00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:11.639 there's less pressure on you. And if you have less 809 00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:15.239 pressure to produce, maybe you play more freely. And if 810 00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:18.719 you play more freely, maybe a real skill level or 811 00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:22.239 talent level comes out. You know, it's all those things 812 00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:26.400 and that could be combined. And so what you're looking 813 00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:29.360 at as a guy who, again it's only twenty games 814 00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:31.440 into the seasons or a quarter of the way into 815 00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:33.719 the season, but he has played a lot better. 816 00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:37.039 He's played for me a lot better as a five, 817 00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:37.880 you know. 818 00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:41.639 And and but in recent games they've had him and 819 00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:44.400 marking In and Kesseler on the front line as their starters, 820 00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:50.320 and so he's still producing some I think it's gonna 821 00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:53.280 be interesting because do they want to pay him, you know, 822 00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:56.480 that kind of money for what they're getting as the 823 00:40:56.559 --> 00:40:59.840 end result of the team, which is not very many wins. 824 00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:04.320 And so maybe this is a great showcase for him 825 00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:07.280 to show other teams, hey, I can be a contributor 826 00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:10.760 and do some different things on a winning team. Maybe 827 00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:13.360 they'll they'll look at moving him, you know, closer to 828 00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:17.239 the trade deadline, or maybe they see him as you know, 829 00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:20.320 you know, maybe we're uncovering a guy who can be 830 00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:24.559 part of our rebuilding program and we can fit him 831 00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:29.239 into some hole that will help us going forward. It's 832 00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:32.400 been that's been fascinating to me. I think that's been 833 00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:35.480 the main storyline so far this this first quarter of 834 00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:36.440 the season for the Giants. 835 00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:37.800 Yeah, I mean, Larry's awesome. 836 00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:40.119 So there's really nothing new to talk about with market 837 00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:41.519 In because he's under contract. 838 00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:43.039 That can't trade him. He's here for a while. 839 00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.920 I think Walker's played himself back into the equation of 840 00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:48.320 a big who you want to keep seeing grow to 841 00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:50.199 be here for a while. And john is an interesting 842 00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:54.400 case study because at the very least, you now have 843 00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:58.000 showcase the player in a spot where maybe somebody calls 844 00:41:58.000 --> 00:41:59.800 you prior to the deadline to give you something real 845 00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:02.519 for them, and at the very most you found potentially 846 00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:04.199 another piece of the puzzle that you want to keep 847 00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:04.840 on your roster. 848 00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:06.800 So there's no downside to Johnstone. 849 00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:10.159 And again, Spence, this is all part of that. You know. 850 00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:13.559 The analogy we've used before in terms of how the 851 00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:17.119 Jazz are approaching this process of theirs is, you know, 852 00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:21.760 like the the the old miner prospector panning for gold 853 00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:24.039 in the stream, you know, and he puts his pan 854 00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:26.559 in there, and he gets the water and everything, and 855 00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:28.960 he shakes it around and shakes it around and and 856 00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:31.000 gets rid of all the rocks in the sand and 857 00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:33.639 maybe finds a little nugget in the pan or something. 858 00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:35.960 And and this is what the Jazz are doing. 859 00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:40.239 They're they're giving different guys different looks at different positions 860 00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:43.559 and seeing if anything hits or anything comes up that 861 00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:46.920 maybe they hadn't seen before. And maybe even though the 862 00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:49.679 focus is of course has been on the group of 863 00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.840 draft picks they've had the last two years. Maybe John 864 00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:56.000 Collins has you know, you know, entered into that fray 865 00:42:56.079 --> 00:42:58.239 and said, hey, you know, I'm I'm I'm still here 866 00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:00.639 and uh, you know, I could do some things here. 867 00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:01.719 And you know, I don't. 868 00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:05.199 Know if the if the one eighty thing is sustainable 869 00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:07.920 all year long, but just the fact that he's in 870 00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:11.559 that in that area, in those in uh, in those 871 00:43:11.559 --> 00:43:15.880 statistical categories, really says something about, you know, the skill 872 00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:18.880 level that he has and maybe there's something that Will 873 00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:23.639 Hardy and his coaching staff can uh can can mine 874 00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:26.280 you know, with his game that that that can help 875 00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:27.159 them going forward. 876 00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:30.639 All Right, I'm gonna I'm gonna make an attempt here. 877 00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:33.159 I'm gonna do a sports socc radio attempt to try 878 00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:36.280 to make this topical for our last piece of content 879 00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:40.239 here before you catch a break. Because I've read and 880 00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:42.280 heard and seen a lot of people drawing a straight 881 00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:44.960 line between what b YU Basketball is building and what 882 00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:48.800 Ryan's building with the Jazz. That's not how that works, Okay, 883 00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:51.440 it's it's b YU is not the jazz pharm system. 884 00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:53.800 AJ Debants is not gonna be a jazz man because 885 00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:56.719 he's playing for b YU for five months. Uh jegor 886 00:43:56.840 --> 00:43:59.000 Demon the kid who's gonna be a lottery pick, maybe 887 00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:01.960 top five, He's not gonna be a Jazz Man unless 888 00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:04.360 they draft him. Neither with neither Will Cannon Catchings or 889 00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:06.239 any of the other talented young players they have. 890 00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:09.320 But is there a benefit. 891 00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:15.280 That Ryan is intentionally trying to create bank rolling BYU 892 00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:17.639 basketball that could benefit. 893 00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:19.320 The Jazz long term? 894 00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:23.199 Like one thought, if it's not talent for talent, because again, 895 00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:26.039 you can't just take BYU players. 896 00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:27.519 And put them on the Jazz, That's not how it works. 897 00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:30.760 Could there be some sort of like aj Debansa has 898 00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:34.239 a positive experience in Utah and therefore players wants to sign. 899 00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:35.280 I don't know. 900 00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:38.199 I'm trying to stretch my mind here to create a 901 00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:40.800 topic that might be kind of interesting. You ru in 902 00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:43.599 a front office for forty years. Is there any tangible 903 00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:46.880 benefit as far as what Ryan is doing for BYU 904 00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:48.760 that could benefit as pro basketball team? 905 00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:50.679 Sure? Well, well, there are a couple of things. 906 00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:54.320 One is that by having those that kind of a 907 00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:56.639 player and we use him that the band's a kid, 908 00:44:56.880 --> 00:45:00.440 you know, just as a as a hypothetical, as long 909 00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:02.800 as he's in the BYU program, as long as he's 910 00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:06.840 on the campus, those coaches, the people who are around the program, 911 00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:09.880 the Ryan Smith, the Danny Aingels or whatever have that 912 00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:14.719 have tight connections with them. They're they're getting a firsthand 913 00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:19.440 look at who he is outside of the basketball world. Right, 914 00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:22.320 So what kind of a kid is he? How are 915 00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:25.840 the coaches dealing with him? How does he react to coaching? 916 00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:29.039 What kind of kid is he on the campus? Is 917 00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:31.280 he is he a social kid? Is he is he 918 00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:34.320 do people like being around him? Does he have that 919 00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:36.519 kind of energy personality? 920 00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:37.920 You know? 921 00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:39.960 Is he a guy who's just out for himself? You 922 00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:43.000 know all these things you try and evaluate off the 923 00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:47.400 court of the things that they're gonna have firsthand knowledge of, 924 00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:50.800 you know, more so than anybody else because they're around 925 00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:54.280 twenty four to seven for this long time period that 926 00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:57.400 he would be here, right, So they get to experience 927 00:45:57.440 --> 00:46:00.719 that firsthand, so they know what that's what, what that's 928 00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:03.360 all about. The other part of it is, you know, 929 00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:07.000 they don't draft him. Somebody else gets him. And again 930 00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:09.800 we're just using the de Bands kid as an example. 931 00:46:10.239 --> 00:46:14.000 And five years from now, seven years from now, he's 932 00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:16.320 in the middle of his NBA career or whatever. He's 933 00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:19.039 killing it and he becomes a free agent. He does 934 00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:22.920 the Gordon Hayward thing and becomes an unrestricted free agent 935 00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:24.719 at age twenty six, twenty seven. 936 00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:25.360 What have you? 937 00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:28.400 And he goes, yeah, you know, when I was at 938 00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:32.280 BYU and I lived there, I really like the people there. 939 00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:34.719 I like the people that were around, I love the 940 00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:38.440 you know whatever, blah blah blah. And so that gives 941 00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:42.360 them a leg up now to instill that knowledge in 942 00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:45.719 that person so that when they if and when that 943 00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:48.639 time should ever come, you know, that may help them 944 00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:52.800 in a free agent recruiting process to say, you know, hey, 945 00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:55.039 you know you might hey, no, no, I know what 946 00:46:55.800 --> 00:47:00.119 Utah is all about because I lived it, and and 947 00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:02.719 that could help them in that regard. So, yeah, there 948 00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:06.280 are some benefits that can help you know, you know, 949 00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:07.719 does it ever happen? 950 00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:10.119 Who knows, and we'll we'll see. 951 00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:12.719 But that's uh, those are certain things that are pluses 952 00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:15.840 for you when you're trying to make decisions down the road. 953 00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:18.760 Okay, No, that's good insight. So it's not nothing, you know, 954 00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:20.719 and we'll see, uh see how it plays out. 955 00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:23.440 Great to see you. We'll set. You listen, you go 956 00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:25.039 put the star on top of the tree. At least 957 00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:25.440 you'll do that. 958 00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:25.960 Yeah. 959 00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:29.159 Well, I my wife does it all and she does 960 00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:32.719 a great job. And she she's the expert. She knows, 961 00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:35.400 she knows what's going on. I'm just the guy sitting 962 00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:36.280 in the back of the bus. 963 00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:37.679 Well, we always love having you, my guy. 964 00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:40.599 Good to see you, Richard said, forty years with the 965 00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:42.039 Utah Jazz Front Office. 966 00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:44.280 Appreciate his time. He'll be back next week.