Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to the Gimmick. You're a wrestling
show here on the geek First Network. As you can see,
mister Snell is not here today. He's still off enjoying
his family time much needed, especially as a father of two.
I get it, but you still have me today. I'm
David and you we're here with s bubs.
Speaker 2: Hello. Yes, I'm here. I'm totally happy to take over
without Travis here because you guys took over for me
when I couldn't do it for a few months because
of my reasons. I'm just so excited.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we do. We just continue on charging through. Luckily,
with the three host system we can rotate that way.
So today on the Gimmick, it's been a busy month
in wrestling. Let's see, We've had Survivor Series, You've had
Full Gear, we had last night, Saturday Night's Main Event
that we're going to talk about, Raw's upcoming Netflix premiere,
and so much more, NXT versus AW. So we're ready
to get things started. So let's start with the most
recent spo, Saturday Night's main Event. Quick thoughts, what did
you think?
Speaker 2: I think I definitely enjoyed it. I think I agree
with a lot of people that the expectations were they
were building it more like it was gonna be a
pl when it really was like a TV special. But
if I'm grading it in that regard, like in comparison
to like the season premiere of SmackDown like a few
months ago, I'd say I definitely enjoyed the show overall.
I think I liked all the matches and there were
a few in there that I really really enjoyed. And uh,
I'm excited to see how things change for future Saturday
Night's main events, because I think there are a few
changes that could be made to uh make it maybe
better for the future ones, especially if they're going to
be doing four a year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, just quick overview. As someone who has
been watching wrestling his entire life, I think I started
probably when I was three or four that eighties early
nineties nostalgia. Phil was really nice to throwbacks with the ring,
the way the ropes were, the refs in their attire,
the whole set up, the long skinny ramp, all the
presentation of it brought back a lot of nostalgia. I
will agree that going into it, I did think that
it was going to be a full on pl style show.
I was a little bit thrown off with the commercial
breaks and things like that, but then it was just like,
all right, this is exactly how they're playing it on NBC.
I was watching it on Peacock, so yeah, I was
thrown off, like, oh, I'm in a full on commercial
break in the middle of a match, Like, what's what's
going on here?
Speaker 2: Uh So, oh yeah, I was just gonna from what
I heard, I think the NBC stream at the start
was like thirty seconds ahead or something like that, but
then and by at some point, like halfway through, it
like synced up again or the Peacock one was ahead
or something like that. That's what I heard. I was
also watching on Peacock.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I normally watch all my ww stuff on Peacock,
so that was just my go to. But this was
and it was a fun, nostalgic throwback. I think that
they have some things that they can work on going forward,
but overall it was good. It was fun, not a
lot of matches, but it served its purpose and Jesse
Ventura on commentary was just amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like him and Joe Testa Tour is a
little segment star Joe Testa tour is a very like
retro voice. I think he worked really well for being
sort of a host of this whole show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's get right to Let's start with the
top of the card. I mean it came out hot
and heavy, showing what this was going to be about.
How did you feel about Sammy Zane and Drew McIntyre.
Speaker 2: I thought it was a fun match. It was I
thought a little bit short, but then that was sort
of like where I made my expectations for the rest
of the show, because it was very much a TV
sort of match. But they're both great and they've had
other great matches before, and I'm interested with this whole
Drew bloodline. Hunter he's doing now where he put a
little video online where he said one down, four to go,
so presumably he's coming after everybody in the og bloodline.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's really hard to have a bad
Sami match. Whether he's doing straight up bangers or he's
doing comedic matches, he does everything in his power to
give you something memorable. I think him and Drew together
it was a good fun match. The only nitpicky thing
that I would have about it is the amount of
blue thunderbombs that Sam Zing was trying to pull off.
I've never seen that win a match, especially in WWE.
Speaker 2: So he has on one match. It was even on
it was on a pre show. It was last year.
Do you know who he beat with a blue Underwong No,
JD McDonough on the Crown Jewel pre show he beat
with a blue.
Speaker 1: Underwoll That tracks. That tracks so only because Jadie McDonald
I say, okay, that's someone who can be beat by it.
But I liked it. I mean it was a good
heart hitting match. The claymore out of nowhere everything with
that match, I knew Drew was gonna end up winning this,
just because with them bringing him back early due to
all the injuries that we've been seeing and experiencing lately,
especially after War Games, You're not gonna bring him back
early just to have him immediately lose to Sammy Zay,
so you gotta build him up. It was a predictable winner,
but the match itself, it served his purpose as a
nice intro and if you are a casual wrestling fan
who just happened to be tuning into NBC, they were
pretty fast paced. They kept the action going. I think
it was a good intro match.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is very good. Like just looking
at those two, I feel like you can tell like
this is the good guy and this is the bad guy,
and like they're just doing your wrestling moves there if
you're a casual viewer, and even I saw people point
out like Michael Cole was like very much explaining like
that's the Blue Thunderbomber, that's the Claim War like sort
of telling people what was going on if you were
maybe and I am wondering like what the the ratings
and stuff were gonna be like, cause I don't know
about NBC ratings. I don't know what things usually do
on there, but I'm curious sort of what that's going
to be.
Speaker 1: Like. Well, right now they have a lull with no
major college football events until next week, so this is
a perfect opportunity to shoehorn something on a national stage
where traditionally people on Saturday nights are jumping over. You
could have had a good chunk of people, especially here
in America, who turned over to NBC looking for college
football and then it was like, oh, I'm just leaving
on for wrestling. This brings out some nostalgia, so hopefully
that brought some more eyes and some viewers in just
based upon that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's cool. And yeah, very much like
Saturday Night. You might just be a channel scrolling in
there and there's a wrestling show on there. So definitely,
I feel like it will definitely attract quite a few
viewers or many people who maybe this is the only
wa thing they'll watch this year, but it at least
got them for for one night.
Speaker 1: Speaking of trying to attract viewers Live Morgan versus EO Sky,
the heat for Live Morgan coming out was just hot.
The amount of booze. I didn't think anyone would reach
DOM levels. And I don't know how much of that
has to do with her making her entrance with DOM,
but that placed the booze rain down on her from
the beginning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was definitely. Uh yeah, I wasn't fully like
you said. I wasn't full of like I knew. Honestly,
she gets booed in because she's a heel. But yeah,
there's definitely a lot of heat. In addition, I thought
the crowd the whole night was really really good and
really into it for all the matches.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Eosky comes out strong. She's there having a good
back and forth match. There's I was shocked though, by
the fact that EO decided to go at it alone.
And it's that stupid trope of if I'm gonna be
the hero, I have to do it myself, where the
bad guy's like, no, I'm bringing all my homies with me, Like,
you know there's gonna be some interference, so why not
just keep damage Control with you. It's set up again
the obvious. I didn't think any major titles were going
to change on this show, especially since you had the
crowning of an inaugural champion. There was no reason to
have any title changes. But I felt like Live more
than Eosky. They did what they had to do. Both
of them are great wrestlers in their own right. Eo
was able to show her skill on this stage. I
think there were some times where she kind of carried
Live through some of the progressions. But Live still knows
what to do. She knows how to get that heat,
she knows how to get the crowd working. So I
think they both gave a pretty great match and then
to ended with the staredown between Rhea Ripley and Live Morgan,
so that again that casual viewer, that person, Here's here's
what's coming next, keep watching, here's what we're setting up for.
I think that they did a great job. I mean,
it wasn't top two match out of a five match card,
but like I said, it was still a good match.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like EO and Live both work matches
that might start off well, maybe Live more so, but
I think maybe the crowd might not be us into
it at the start, but then by the end they'll
be really into it with some really good sequences, and
like one match I think of like that, despite the
issues I might have or other people might have with
this reign from Live, one of my favorite matches from
this Live was on Rock Yet a match with Zelina,
and at the start of the crowd was like not
really into it, but in the end it was like
on Fire, you had a dom out there, you had
y out there, you had some great near falls. And
I think they did the same thing with this match.
They just built it up and honestly, EO selling She
did the cell of the Oblivion, like standing on her
head pretty much, and yeah, I thought it was a
fun match. Definitely building towards this rematch with Ria, I
guess it would be the third match.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's good to build this up. They're
going to come, hopefully to their culmination match, so it's
a great reminder to people, Hey, this is what we
have on the horizon for Live in Ria. It gave
a good showing for Live that again gives her some
plausibility to if in the third match she ends up
beating Ria. You see that she's held her own against
former champions. It wasn't ass slimy as a victory as
some heels do. She did hold her own with that match.
They had a good back and forth, So I think
that's a good look on Live's part for setting up
for the future.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: Then after that we had the uh I'll call it
the banger match, And that's only because I heard the
word banger probably ten times during this match. I have
whenever Gunther's on or Seamus, either of those, I feel
like I hear the word banger a lot when it
comes to their matches. But again, this was a good match,
a good showing for Gunther World Heavyweight Champion. He literally
saved Damien on that power bomb spot. But and a
lot of back and forth. I knew Gunther was going
to retain. I didn't quite have him cleanings pinning Fin
so clean. That kind of threw me for a loop.
The shotgun drop kick into the power bomb one two
three to end it. But other than that, Yeah, they
they had a great match. Priest looked strong, going to
look strong. Everyone in that match got a chance to shine.
I don't know where Finn goes as the head of
the Judgment day going forward after this, after taking that loss,
but it was a good showing for all three competitors.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say this was probably my favorite match of
the whole show. I mean, you know, I'm a big
Gunther fan. I'm a huge baby faced Damien Priests fan,
and so he was there in his home state there,
but I really enjoyed this match. Yeah, like you said,
banger Goopther, Damien hard hitting there, and you had Finn
running a flying around them, which I thought was great.
Maybe best sling blades in the game. He really like
he catches them on the neck with that thing.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: I love seeing him do that. And yeah, some great sequences.
I really appreciate that. It wasn't just like two guys
fighting while one of them is like dead on the outside,
Like I thought most of the match with all three
of them like fighting at the same time, or like
getting thrown out or running back in or interrupting each other.
And like you said, yeah, great finish. He saves Damien
and he hits the great power Bomb there on the
steps and power bomb to fin and yeah, that's also different.
He'd been trying to go with this sleeper all the
time and it wasn't really working for him, and now
he's going back to the classic power bomb and gets
the clean win. And it seems, based on some of
the videos from afterwards, so that he got his confidence
back there from beating both these guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited for where Guntherer continues with this. Like
you said, I didn't think that he was losing tonight,
one because they didn't need a major title change on
this and two the aura of Gunther is that long
time raining. He is the person you used to hold
a belt for a while and set somebody up for
a major win, Like it is a big deal if
you topple someone like Gunther. So having him get this
strong win off the power bomb and then steak has
claim that he is the true champion. Getting his confidence
back I think is great for him and his character
going forward. So again, I don't know where Finn and
his stupid mass that he uses on his intro goes
from here, but I think that, Yeah, other than the mass,
all three gave a great show and that is probably
the worst part of that match was Finn's entrance, but
the match itself was my favorite of the night from
a match quality standpoint.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like you were saying, You're not sure where
Finn goes from here as leader of the Judgment thing,
especially when tomorrow they're facing the war Raiders with Judgment
Dave ban from ringside and it's in the war Raiders hometown.
So yeah, I don't see that going very well for
Finn and JD tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Yea possible title change happening there. So after that, we
had the inaugural Women's United States Championship match, Chelsea Green
versus Meshin. Again, this is the match that made me
no other titles were probably gonna change hands because you
were crowning a new inaugural champion at that. As I
said in the discord, I am a huge Chelsea Green
stand I love her work. Ever since she's been back,
her work has been absolutely amazing, from the character to
the inn room work, everything about her presentation has been wonderful.
So I was hoping that out of the two, she
would be the one to win the match and be
the inaugural champion. She could lose that belt this week
and no one can take away from her that she's
an inaugural champion. She could lose that belt this week
and it would actually help her character that she can
keep saying, well, I was the inaugural champion. Well you
can't forget.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, literally literally in the history books
right there, if you ever look at that title from
now until forever, it'll say that she was the first champion.
So yeah.
Speaker 1: What did catch me off guard was the amount that
TNA was mentioned. Like again, it was they started off
with two in a row talking about their histories, their titles,
their matches. I'm like, I I've gotten used to it
with n XT. I don't watch NXT as much as
you do. You are our hardcore resident n XT guy.
You were one I defer to for my NXT knowledge.
I watch the big events, I watch shows as I
have the timer there's nothing going on, but I've gotten
used to hearing an XT reference and hearing other things reference,
but this one they were really hammering home that these
two are both former champions in their own right and
bringing up their history within TNA, and I thought that
was cool to show that for the casual viewers who
may not know who these two are. They are great wrestlers.
They have been a big deal in other companies around
the world, and here they are competing for this new,
soon to be prestigious title. So I thought that was
a good look by the announcers. Again, it caught me
off guard when they did it and then immediately did
it again, but I thought that was a good look.
And this one was actually my favorite match from just
a peer enjoyment standpoint, because, like I said, I love
Chelsea Green's work and that flip over middle rope on
Prettier that she did to win all the man, that
was just that was beautiful.
Speaker 2: So say, I don't think I've even seen a Christian
do that one before, and it was great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, it's not your work rate match,
but it was just a fun match, and those two
ladies put on a heck of a show, and I
think Chelsea Green was the right person to walk away
as that inaugural United States champion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you're saying, I think both of these women
about a great year, especially this year. I think Chelsea
Green has probably been just gone more and more popular
and over despite being like this like heel for this
whole year, and the Michen has really like raised her
stock this whole year. I think she had a great
match EO like the first week of twenty twenty four,
still one of my favorite matches. And she went down
to NXD for a while and feuded with the Jada
Parker and that really elevated Jada Parker as well. And
she's been back on the main roster on SmackDown, having
Dumpster Mahtchion Street fight against Naya Jacks, and she's just
really gotten like I wouldn't even say better, because she's
always been good, but just more popular and more interesting
as a character. And I've really I think these two
were the right choice to be in the finals, and
Chelsea was the right winner in this final.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a good choice. I'm excited to see where
she has going forward and things like that. So it's good.
Let's see Alex in the chat. My only concern is
how much TV time the women will have now with
the tag titles, US titles, Main titles. I'm hoping they
don't get five minute segments. I think that they will
get more than the five minute segments. I think that
they will have better opportunities to display on a different week.
I think this might be a situation where you don't
get boggled down because the problem with the tag titles
was there weren't a lot of tag teams, so they
were just manufacturing tag teams. So then that took other
people out of contention for any other belts and things
like that. So I think this gives them an opportunity
to maybe, all right, this week, we're going to highlight
the US Championship, and then we'll have a little bit
of that, then we'll highlight the Tag Team Championship. So
you're not having the champion appear every week in that arena.
And it also gives other people more things to do,
So you have an opportunity to throw in a random
women's match, and this is your number one contenders match.
This is things that you can build up for something else.
For those who are not in the main title picture.
So you're Zelina Vega's of the worlds and your other
members of Damage Control, those who aren't chasing the title
right now. It gives them something to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think especially with and if I'd say
it's pretty much confirmed that Raw and SmackDown are both
gonna be going to three hours, I think that adds
time for them to be featured. And in addition, if
you have the Saturday Night's main events each quarter, maybe
some of those, like for example, the Women's Tag Team
Championships that might not make the Royal Rumble match card
for example, maybe that could be a big match on
the Saturday Night's main event, like the week before in January.
I think that's coming up, so I think they'll make
time for and especially now if you look at all
the stuff with the two hour Raw, a lot of
the backstage segments that you'd see on the show normally
are now all in social media. So I think when
it goes to three hours, they'll be adding those back
in and you'll have some time they're like for example,
like bron Breaker, like a lot of segments have been
backstage stuff, but every once of like they've been building
that sort of slowly, and now he's having this match.
I think this Monday with the Kaiser, so you can
see if Raw goes to three hours, well, I mean
it is going to three hours, you'll have time for
some of these cars or this week also, I think
it was like seventy five percent women's wrestling on Raw,
so you can have like a weekend week out like
one week something, one week something else, and I think
there'll be.
Speaker 1: Time for it. Yeah, I said, it gives opportunities for
more women to be shown and go from there, which
can't hurt it. It gives more people a time to shine,
more people time to go forward, So I'm all four.
After that, we then go to the undisputed WW Championship
match again before I get into that, like we were
talking earlier about feeling like this was the difference between
this being a special versus a full on pl You
only had five matches on here, and they weren't like
long drawn out matches. It seemed to go pretty quick
like I'm used to with AW when they first started,
they would have five or six matches, but they would
be thirty minutes apiece, and the pay per view would
go on forever. These were pretty quick butt solid matches.
So we end this out with the fifth matches, undisputed
ww Championship. Cody Rhoads versus Kevin owens Ko has been
making a showing not only on TV but also on
social media, just going full on just being himself and
it has been great and as we all suspect it
from the promo with triple as the One Night Only,
Cody Rhodes comes out with a version of the Winged
Eagle belt. I say a version because his was more
of a navy blue leather where the Winged Engle has
been black blue and things like that. I believe the
wing Eagle spent most of its time with the black
leather and didn't transition into the blue leather till right
before they went into the globe style w W Championship.
But it comes out winged Eagle belt the One Night
Only Again, you get that good nostalgia feel and I
think that they had a pretty good match overall, with
some some nice little nods, a lot of callbacks and
shout out Sarandy Orton during this match, but no, it
was a good match. Jess Venture on commentary again was
a highlight his disdain for the Rhodes family and therefore
Cody was just immaculate, and the whole build up of
Cody being the arrogance things like that leading up to
it really set the stage for how this match ended.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had the match before at Bash and Berlin,
which I think at the time I said, I wasn't
a huge I didn't dislike it, but there were a
lot of people really loving it, and I wasn't one
of those. And I think I'm enjoyed this match about
the same. I think I like the story going into it,
and I think it's definitely interesting with how it ended,
especially the stuff that happened afterwards. But I think even
with Cody using sort of the chair that Ko brought
in and is an interesting detail there. And yeah, I
liked the match, And yeah, like you said, the wing
do you Go title looked awesome there, And yeah, I'm
very interested how this goes and when the next match
is happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ko taking the title at the end saying this
is mine now. I do like the fact that. And
I know some people are complaining and you had an
excellent post about this over on x Slash Twitter. People
are complaining about the social media aspect of it. I
have been a fan of these fancam footage results, the
things that happened after the show. It gets me involved,
It gets me searching Twitter for more views of it,
more fancam footage, more angles of it. So I think
it adds an extra layer. And in this era that
we're in with people constantly online and seeking that information,
to me, this this is great stuff. And we all
know Triple H spends a lot of time on social
media looking at things, looking at trends, so this is great.
The attack afterwards to get in his face. I don't
know if you've seen Ko's Twitter lately, but he has
been taking those posts and he's reposting it, but he's
changing the narrative. So the image of Triple H coming
out and confronting him, he reposts it and says exclusive
Triple H comes out to think Kevin Owens after the
match for stopping like he's changed it to make himself
be the good guy. And it's just it's been class
stuff that's really setting up again. We knew Cody was
going to keep this championship. Cody's not losing this thing.
Before WrestleMania, we all know there's too much at stake.
He's selling too hot. He's the quote unquote quarterback right now,
he's leading the federation. There's no way that he's dropping
it right now. But the stuff that Kayo has been
doing with him has just been classed. Even on the
opening videos when they were showing them arriving to the
arena and Kao arrives wearing a gold dust shirt, I'm
just like this guy.
Speaker 2: He's had some great shirts. I don't know if you
saw all the different ones he's had. He had He's
had a dusty one, a star dust one, a gold
dust one, and while he was wearing his Canadian Dream
shirt there, which I really like that design.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I do wonder where Cody is going as a
character after this, because he started to implore a lot
of heel tactics towards the end. So I don't know
if this is the slow descent into Homelander Cody that
we're getting, or if this is one of those you
did it so I did it tech maneuvers like I
would love to see Cody. They justify it.
Speaker 2: Cody was saying, you know, he'd do anything to win,
and Ko didn't think he would do that because he
was the Golden Boy of w A. So Cody did
exactly what he said he was gonna do, and Ko
wasn't happy about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Cody gets to win. Like I said, we
all we all saw that coming. It was a good match.
But again, the highlights of this match were the intros,
the postmatch, and Jesse Ventura. Those were the three highlights
of this match. Only downside would be the constant ref bumps.
I think there was too much. I get it, you
needed it in order to have the whole chair spot,
but ref bump after ref bump and then Charles Robinson
standing outside of the ring giving the pin, it just
seemed a little bit hokey. But on that the match
served its purpose.
Speaker 2: Yeah. At the at the time, I want to say it,
A huge fan of it. But I think with this
whole story of Kevin thinking he's the rightful champion for
multiple reasons, I think that'll uh, that'll work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the same here at the time, I'm like, well,
that's a weird ending. But then with all the postmatch stuff,
I'm like, Okay, I see where we're going with the
who is the quote unquote real winner of this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think also it's a good idea, especially
to keep that wing Eagle around on TV for a
little bit longer.
Speaker 1: I'd say, yeah, I can very well see him rocking
up with it, saying, Hey, no, I'm I'm the champion.
This is my championship, like I earned this, you screwed me,
but this is mine. So I if they keep the
wing Eagle around for that reason, to have the who's
the world champion type deal before another face off where
Cody will win and just be outright and continue rocking
the current iteration of the Universal Championship, I'm all for it.
Plus it sells some more belts. I would love to
see the metrics on how many of the Winged Eagle
belts they sold immediately after Cody made his entrance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if they'll released may be like a
Cody specific wing Eagle belt like they did the cmpunk
Spinner and make it like limited edition stuff like that.
I can see them selling that all. Right.
Speaker 1: Before I go on to the raw Netflix premiere predictions,
I do have to touch on that CM punk spinner.
CM Punk hated the spinner, so why did they make
a special edition seem punk Spinner belt for the man
who wanted to dead the Spinner belt.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I'm sure he's pretty happy with how
the sales of that. He was posted a picture there
of him signing like everything on one of them.
Speaker 1: I mean collection residuals. But I was just like, he's
got a bitter, like, yeah, I just wanted to produce
something because it makes no sense.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they've done. Like if you go on the
WW shop, they have some like weird custom ones out there,
Like I think there's like a like a Sean Michaels one,
a Brett Hart one, there's like a Hogan one that's
just like it's just like whatever belt, but just like
colored to be there in their colors, and they I
don't know. I don't think if I had to, if
I could buy one of those reflica belts, I'm not
sure i'd ever get one of those custom ones, especially
if they've never appeared like on TV. But I guess
if you're a real collector you might or want one
of those.
Speaker 1: I just signed into shop dot ww dot com and
the banner is available until twelve sixteen at eight pm
Eastern Times. Item Cody Rhodes leaned Eagle title. So yeah,
they are gonna they're gonna get their money. They are
gonna get their money. They're gonna get their title belts. Yeah,
I'm not a fan of some of the signature series
is I believe what they call it those belts, the
whull Cogan one looked ugly in my opinion. They gave
the Deadly Boys a tag team one and it's just
literally the old school tag team belt with kind of
a camo feel to it for the Deadly Boys. Like
it just there's so many of the I'm just like,
this doesn't make sense. You guys just threw a call
away on the back of a title and hope everyone's
gonna buy it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They Yeah, It's like if I got one, i'd
definitely just get it like a normal one. I feel
like then a very customized. I mean, unless you're just
like the biggest Dudley Boys fan up there, you really
want that's Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I got my replica, I got a repla of
the old school World Heavyweight title. I got that replica
because that's the belt that I grew up on. I
didn't need one of the special ones that had a
different color strap or anything else. I just want them
like this is the belt I grew up on, So
this is the one that I want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's see.
Speaker 1: So raw Netflix premiere predictions. January sixth is coming up,
as they tell us five times a show, so I
know right now we've got Roman Reigns and Solo scheduled
for that. There's been reports of the Rock coming back
for that. There's most likely definitely going to be a
title change on that show. It reminds me of when
SmackDown moved to Fox and they had brock Lessner kill
Kofe on that first night, just to have the big
title change, the big moment going forward. So do you
have any predictions for this first episode on Netflix.
Speaker 2: I think first we can lay out sort of the card,
or at least what we imagine the card to be,
based on some confirmed stuff and some reported stuff which
I think is gonna be true. So I'd say we
have Roman Reigns versus Solo Sokoa for the Oula Falla.
That one is confirmed officially. We have most likely seth
Rons versus seeing Punk happening on that show. We have
what else is there? I think is the Women's Intercontinental title.
I think finals happening on there. I think that's the report,
and then presumably I think Ria versus Live is happening
on that show as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those are the ones that we know about for
sure that are going to happen on that show. Right now,
that's just four confirmed slash semi confirmed matches. I have
a feeling with this they are probably going to pack
on one or two more. I think that even though
Cody is a SmackDown guy, you're going to have some
sort of appearance from Cody with the title on there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think John Cena confirmed to appear on the show.
And then another note, I assume Romans solo like including
entrances and knowing Romans matches I think could be like
a forty five minute type match. So that's also to
take into consideration in terms of how many other matches
could be at onto there all.
Speaker 1: Right now, my thing is, so dush Roman in the show?
Do we end with the bloodlines ula follow appearance or
will there be some sort of championship match too in
the show?
Speaker 2: I'm not sure yet. You think it's Roman so he's
main eventing the show, but yeah, if the only other
championship match we pretty much know is happening there would
be well we have the Intercontinent on one, but I
don't think that one is main eventing, So I would
say we have Ria versus Live, which my prediction has
been that there will be a title change there with
Reo winning. So but then maybe because I don't think, well,
I assume it'll just start with like the show will
begin with like a promo. Obviously, I assume John Cena
probably coming out first. Oh yeah, talk about being on
Netflix and such. Maybe Triple H comes out there to
Cody Rhodes. You got everyone out there, and then yeah,
I'm not sure what the match order really will will
be here now I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 1: So I feel like, right now you have to have
Gunther appear on the show as well. He is your
World Heavyweight Champion, which is technically your raw brand, so
he has to be there in some shape or form.
What I could see happening is you have Gunther's start
off the show, get the booze and everything, and he
is interrupted by John Cena. John Cena has his hero moment.
They don't necessarily have a match, but you get your
showing of your World Heavyweight title match, You get your
John Cena moment before you kick off the show. I
think Roman versus Solo will end the show, and I
think that Roman Versus will end the show because of
the Rock. So if you're going to have a Rock appearance,
you either do it top of the show or you
close out the show one or the other. So I
think that if you're gonna have John Cena as a
part of the opening, then you have Rock as the closer.
You continue whatever this storyline is with the bloodline. Is
he coming back? Who's he going to face? That's that's
where we go from there. I there's the talks of
him not being at WrestleMania, so that that will kind
of lead to our is he going to be someone
who is set up for WrestleMania or are we gonna
go ahead and get his part of the blood line
out right now? But I think because of the Rock,
you have Solo and Roman ended.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the report right now is the creative
plans don't have the Rock in them. But if the
Rock were to show off on January fifth to WW
and TKO and say I want to have a match
at WrestleMania, He'll have a match at WrestleMania. That's the
simple answer. So it really comes down to like I
think at this point in the creative plans, Rock's not there.
But at the same time, by the time we get
to that show, it could very well end with the
Rock and Roman peace by the end. So hard to say.
Speaker 1: Alex says, I think they might tease a Rock scene
a moment they could. Only reason I would go against
that is because they just had all of them as
part of the WrestleMania forty one situation, So I think
they might not go back to that well just yet.
Speaker 2: Maybe. I think if you tease it again and don't
do the match, then it's like, Okay, now you're just
teasing it for teasing. I think if they do, if
they do another like tease like actual moments, then they'll
have some sort of match. But if not, they want
to keep it apart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you want to throw it on a non
WrestleMania p l which I do think that they could
bring the Rock and Sena in as part of Sena's
go Home tour and do it on a non WrestleMania show.
If they are saving the big.
Speaker 2: Of Summer Slam and you need to sell those tickets, Yeah,
you could have a Rock and Sena Summer slam match exactly.
Speaker 1: So I don't think that this would be the opportunity
to tease that Rock scene moment only because if it's
not going somewhere sometime soon, there's no point. And I
don't think it would be a good ideal if you
if the plans are for Sena Rock WrestleMania three, for
you to put that out there now, because you have
all this intensity with him in the bloodline, you don't
need to distract from that with this possible matchup with
someone who has nothing to do with any of this
on down the line. So I think because they just
had their moments at WrestleMania forty one as part of
that big brawl and everything else, they will hold off
on Rock Sena.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree there.
Speaker 1: So I do think that, like you said, Rhea takes
the title, But who do you have winning the women's
I see title.
Speaker 2: I think I think there's there's a couple. I think
there's two good stories you could tell here, I think,
and they involved like Valkyria and Becky Lynch. I assume
is coming back on this show, So I think if
you have and the rumor is Becky wants to do
something different, so I assume that means she's turning heel
and and I think there's a story there of maybe
Lara Valkyria failing at this icy title and Becky not
seeing maybe why her padawan here is not a succeeded
while she was gone and being upset at that, and
then that's a few there. Or you gonna have Larra
win it, and then just Becky is like, I'm gonna
challenge you for it.
Speaker 1: No, no love for Natalia.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm saying. I think one of the
options is Lara doesn't win it. In that case, I
assume that's how I would win it, for that heart
connection and just being a big part of WWE for
a long time and helping obviously a lot of these women,
and I think she would want to do that. She
already does that helping other people, and with this title,
I think she could do that. So I think those
are the two sort of options there. But wait, also,
oh wait no, because Larra isn't in. Are they on
the same side of the bracket?
Speaker 1: I think they are, uh Lyra albafire.
Speaker 2: Let's see. I think That'sally and Lyra are on the
same side of the bracket.
Speaker 1: Yes, so it would be either the winner of Natalia
Kyrie Sane Albafire versus Lever Valkyria. Then you have the
winner of Zoe Stark where Cail Rodriguez Kid and Carter
versus Dakota Kai. So I have it as Natalia pulling
off the win against Lyra. I'm not sure who she
would face. I honestly think as much as I like
Dakota Kai, I don't think that they're gonna ge to
her just because of the injuries and other things. I
don't think you want to start her off with the
belt until after she's been back in the ring for
a substantial amount of time without injury or time off.
I could see Zoe Stark being in the finals only
because I think she would be a good matchup against
either Lyra or Natalia. And if it's for Cail Rodriguez
is literally just to further the judgment day situation. I
don't think Carter really has a chance. She is my
one that I'm absolutely like I do. I don't see
any part of Cait and Carter taking this. So, but
I would say Zoe versus an Italia in the finals
with an Italia winning it. I think that they could
put on a good, solid match.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: And for the Intercontinental on men's side, how it always
had the theme of being the quote unquote the workhorse championship.
I think that that's another reason why I would lean
towards Natalia, because she has been the workhorse of the
w W women's division, whether it is training young superstars,
helping out wherever she can, doing whatever's asked of her.
I mean, the girl went through a whole farting gimmick
for a very long time. I think she has earned
that respect and that chance to go down in the
history books. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that's a good option there.
Speaker 1: Let's see other than that talked about Becky maybe returning.
I think if Becky returns, it would be in a
form of whoever wins, she's gonna step up and say, hey,
I want to face you so And even with that,
if it is a Natalia and Natalia wins, just like
I said about Chelsea Green, and she immediately loses on
her first time out to Becky, I wouldn't be mad.
She's in the history books as that championship. You can't
take that away from her. Do I want her to
go in a little bit of a longer run with it,
of course, because I do think that she deserves to
have the people reminded of just how good she is
in the ring. But I could see a situation where
Becky returns and she's like, I'm next up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So.
Speaker 1: All right, moving on early WrestleMania predictions. Do you have
anything that you think already this is going to be
a moment, this is going to be something that is
going to pop off.
Speaker 2: Well, I have some stuff here written down, and I
guess that links back to if we keep talking about
this first Raw, it's the whole Punk Rollins the situation here.
So obviously, well the rumors they're gonna have their match
at the raw Netflix premiere. So I think the two
options that means is that's either the start of a
series or like leading to WrestleMania, or this is gonna
be like their match Punk and Rolins do something different
at Mania and then maybe continue that after into the
summer and stuff like that. So I have some options
of like WrestleMania options for the men here, I can
read them off.
Speaker 1: Go for it.
Speaker 2: So I think one of the options like that could
is obviously the Punk Roman match at WrestleMania. I think
with a lot of hype behind it and obviously the views,
the Instagram views that people haven't talk about, that could happen.
In that case, I think Seth could fight Gunther at WrestleMania,
possibly because I feel like I don't think they've had
a match for a title. I don't think so, or
at least not the Icy or the World Heavyweight Championship.
And then I think apossible option is Cody Sena at Mania,
or I have the other option, which I think is
more simple, sort of ish, which would be Gunter Sena,
which is what I think most people think is gonna happen.
You would have Seth and Punk at WrestleMania. I assume
that'd be maybe their third match, second match. I'm not
sure how if they want to continue that afterwards or
if that'll be the big ending. And then you'd have
Roman versus Jacob, which I think is a big option
for a match, and that's been the rumor for a
while that Roman really wants to have a match with
the Jacob. But then that leads me, I don't really
know what Cody would do if it's not the Rock.
If you have if you have Punks, Good, Thirceina Roman,
all tied up in their own stuff. I really don't
know what Cody would do in that case.
Speaker 1: I have thought the same thing, like the different configurations
of who Roman could face, there are so many, but
when it comes to Cody, you're very limited just in
how things have been set up. I could see him
going against Punk for the championship, and I feel like
if he beats Punk, it would not be that big
of a deal to Punk. If he gets that WrestleMania
main event moment, then I think that he would be
okay taking the loss, especially at this point in his career.
Punk ten years ago might have had something to say
Punk of right now I think would be okay with that.
I could see I could see Roman doing a to
night thing where if they are really trying to stretch
out everything going on with the bloodline, where the final
nail in the coffin happens on night two, depending on
what happens with the raw Netflix premiere. So say somehow
Solo beats Roman on the raw Netflix premiere, Shenanigan's foot whatever,
and they extended out to WrestleMania. Could see Roman face
and Jacob night one for the chance to take back
the Bloodline all Night two by beating Solo. I could
see them stretching out that Bloodline stuff to that degree,
and I wouldn't be mad about it. I don't know
exactly who you have John Cena face off on, because
that that's gonna be be a big match. That is
that is gonna be a big match. I don't think
that that will highlight either night of WrestleMania.
Speaker 2: And excuse me.
Speaker 1: The reason that I don't think it will highlight either
night of WrestleMania is because I don't see John Cena winning.
I see John Cena wanting to make a star out
of somebody. So this would be his last WrestleMania, but
it's not his last match, so you still have more
John Cena appearances. Afterwards, they said, yes, it would be
his last WrestleMania, but that's not the end of the
road for him, so you still have SummerSlam and other
opportunities for him to do some things. So I see
him using this as an opportunity to make a star,
and that would be honestly. I could see him versus
Bronze Breaker for that, or if Gunther still has the title,
him versus Gunther. I don't see him going against Cody.
I don't see American hero, American hero. That's not where
I really see that going unless you're planning on going
full Homelander. Now, if you're going full home Lander, if
you're going full Heill Cody, then yes, do it and
do it hard, go full stop on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was just trying to figure out, like it's
sort of when I was trying to reorganize everything into
the possible combinations, the question was always like, when does
Cody really get here? And those one of the I
don't think it's I don't think Cody Cena is happening.
But when I was writing down just the bunch of possibilities,
I mean, honestly, it's a possible and Philly w Champion
and John Cena.
Speaker 1: No so I said, I would like John Cena to
get his his record breaking beat flair, but I don't
feel like that is on his agenda. He does not
strike me as the time as the type to come
back for that.
Speaker 2: I think I think it will happen, but I agree
with you that I don't think it will be at WRESTLINGIA.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that is the time to make a
star and I think that is exactly what they are
going to do with that, is use that as an
opportunity to make a star or even set up for
where he's going down the line. And if you're if
you're gonna do that, I'm fine with it. Let it
be a mid card match. Let him either take the pin,
but give the crowd some time to just enjoy him
while you're setting up for whatever mid show concert or
whatever else you're doing, and go from there. I don't
see him topping either of those nights. I do see
Punk headlining at least one night of WrestleMania. Yeah, And
whether it be for a championship or not, not sure.
I don't know if they continue the Seth feud after
this and they have their final blowoff at WrestleMania. Either way,
I feel like they are going to give him that
opportunity to headline one night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: Now my question is, is there any major championship that
you see already crashing out at WrestleMania?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Can you look on the horizon and go, you know what,
I think You're only gonna hold this belt to WrestleMania
and then lose it.
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm trying to think. I think I think
whoever is the women's champion like SmackDown Women's Women's Uh.
I think just w a women's championship, it is called
whoever it is is losing to Charlotte Flair at WRESTLINGA.
I don't think it matters. I don't think it matters
who specifically it is. But I think they're they're losing there.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the same thought that I had,
the exact same thought.
Speaker 2: But I think I think it will be Tiffany versus
Charlotte at WrestleMania, with Charlotte winning. And I think this
is a thing that could be like the Ria and
Charlotte match where they had their match at WrestleMania in
twenty twenty, the Performance Center one, which then that one
was for the NXTV title, but Charlotte won that one,
and then a few years later Rhea got her win
back at WrestleMania, and I think the same story could
possibly be told with Tiffany and Charlotte.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was, I'm not gonna lie. I was so
disappointed about that Performance Center match. I was so looking
for it to Rea doing her things. She comes out
in the vegeta outfit. I'm already stoked about that, and
then when she lost, is like, wait what but that
that's what we're doing. Yeah, so I could. I did
think strongly that this would be the the Charlotte Showcase,
and I could. I could see Tiffany Stratton cashing in
around Royal Rumble time and having that belt and then
here comes Charlotte like yeah, and I you can go, hey,
give me that, that's mine. So yeah, I agree with
you there that that is the only title that right
now I can guarantee say, yeah, this one's gonna change
hands because Charlotte's going to Charlotte.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And another one that I feel might not be
on as many people's mind is I think bron Breaker
will lose his Intercontinental Championship at Wrestleania. I feel my
dream would be he loses it to shame this for
that big Wrestlania moment. But there there's other options I possible,
but that's my my dream booking there. That one's not
the one lock for me, as the the Charlotte one
is like the one is like that is happening, Like
there's no doubt in my mind, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that wasn't on my radar, But I'm okay with it.
If that's how you want to give Seamus that nod,
I'm okay with it because I do want him to
get that. Seamus has been an incredible worker. He has
come a long way. Yes, he was pushed hard, fast
and early, and it kind of threw a weird taste
in people's mouth. You also had him involved in the
whole Roman Reigns glow up and the multiple championships and
headlines and things like that. That kind of sturts to people.
So yeah, I think this is a good time. He's
been putting on some great mattress. He's been holding it down.
If you want to give him his run with the
IC belt at this point, I go ahead. I know
that there's probably going to be a huge shake up
between now and WrestleMania with the rosters, so all this
could just be out the window, depending on whose TV
deal makes someone want to have someone else on a roster. Yeah,
so we will see from there, because that's also going
to do a huge shake up to our own rosters
in our own draft because a lot of these changes. Man,
he's like, all right, who's going to start facing it.
Speaker 2: We could do a little mini segment here, who you
think is going to change shows and maybe who you
would want to maybe change shows.
Speaker 1: I think that Roman is definitely jumping over to Raw.
I think that he is a known name and face,
and if you're not going to pull Cody back over
with the ww Championship, if you're going to leave Gonther
as your champion, then you're pulling Roman over because you
want that that big known name. So I could definitely
see Roman being a staple of the Netflix error going forward.
Speaker 2: Yeah. One group that this isn't so much a prediction
more of a want of who I want to change
hands is either you move priests to SmackDown or you
move the judgment day to SmackDown, because I think both
those could really help both Like either you could have
a for example, priest, he could be in the US
title scene on SmackDown and you could have matches against
Mellow and Andrade and some of those people who he
hasn't really had matches with before. Or if you move
for example like JD and Finn and Dominic and those
too SmackDown, I think that could be tag division ad
US title you could have been versus Cody as a
that could be a like let's say you need a
match for Elimination Chamber. There you go Finn Valor vs.
Cody Rhoades for the title, Like, there's your match there.
So I think either the Judgment days moving to SmackDown
or Priests and also to separate them after so much feuding,
unless that is going to Mania and you're getting Priests
through to suspend at Mania. I guess that's the third
possible option. But I'm hoping one of them makes a
change and that could help them and help the divisions
on both shows.
Speaker 1: I could. I would be okay with Finn going over
to smack Down and taking the entire Judgment Day with them,
just giving them a fresh start, especially if liv loses
the title to Rhea, then you don't have that aspect
holding them down. Send them over, I mean, they continue
to be a focal point of the programming, so that
just you plug them into SmackDown, you have them get
back to their whole running wild style instead of just
these feuds that they've been having where it's one on
one with the same people. They can go back to
just running rough shot over the entire show. So I
think that would be a good change of pace for them,
and then it also gives you time to build Finn
back up, because I do think Finn is in desperate
need of a reglow up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think SmackDown has more people you could have,
for example, Finn like beats that aren't just like complete
like lower carters, because I think Raw doesn't really have
like Raw goes from like Otis to like Shamus like
really quick, like there's no really like I wouldn't say,
like all the mid carters are all pretty like established
that like them losing would be like I would say,
like a big deal but like significant, like you can't
have so and still losing all the time to build
someone else up. On SmackDown, I feel like there's a
couple more people. Maybe maybe this doesn't make full sense,
I'm thinking about it, but either way, I want to
own SmackDown.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then SmackDown's got an incredible tag division with
DIY with most city machine guns, So if you are
going to take Bin over there, and if you want
to keep them doing the tag team thing, you have
opportunities over there as well. So yeah, I could definitely
see them being the ones that pop over and make
that switch.
Speaker 2: And then that's not even considering possible NXT call ups here,
because I think there are a couple NXT people who
could be getting called up soon.
Speaker 1: That is definitely, especially with the move to Netflix, I
could definitely see that happening. Is there a big pl
between now and January six for nxt?
Speaker 2: There's one the day after January sixth ool, there's New
Year's Evil, So I.
Speaker 1: Could see uh Trick getting caught up and then losing
the next night on UH New Year's Evil.
Speaker 2: I mean people have noticed on the raw is Netflix ads,
it's all raw people, all the big stars, and Trick
like he's the only NXT person shown. So I feel
like someone at Netflix was like, we want this guy
on our show. Yeah, and yeah, I feel like Trick
losing the OVA FEMI is like a one hundred at
this point, that's the one you can lock in. Yeah,
So I think a call up would be possible. I
don't think. I don't think he needs a call up
this early. I think he's one of those you could
leave an extra year for, like bron Breaker, Like people
thought he was gonna get called up like a year ago,
and with that extra year, he did the whole thing
with Baron Corbin and that got him way more over
an experience than if he had been called up a
year prior. So I don't think calling up Trick would
be a good idea, but I think it might be possible.
But some others I do think are getting called up
and would be like time for them. Maybe not like
by the Netflix premiere, but I'd say in many a season,
maybe a little bit after Raw, after Mania and that
sort of stuff. I think Wes Lee is getting called up.
I think Ethan Page could be possibly getting called up
because he's one of those that's like he's already had
wrestling experience for like eighteen years or whatever it is,
so it's not one of those that needs to stay
in NXC for a while unless you keep him ask
someone to put people over in that case, and for
the women, I could see maybe them finally calling up
like Ballon Henley or like Gigi Dolan and j C.
Jane and putting them on some shows. Uh. And I'm
trying to think who else is like one of the
Like Wesley is my most like I'm pretty sure he's
getting called up soon, and outside of that, I'm not
really sure. But mostly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when it comes to inn next ceiling said, I
I know a good chunk of the roster, but not
the full scope of them. I don't think you're bringing
up Julia already. You may bring up Rock.
Speaker 2: I think Julia, well there's Rocks. Oh yeah, Rock Sanferce.
That's definitely one of was getting She's definitely getting called up.
I think Julia is be well. Actually, now that you
bring you reminded me of that because I completely forgot
about it, but now I'll lay it out here. So yeah,
I think Julia is beating Roxanne on that New Year's
Evil and she gets called up. And then I think
at Standing the Deliver, you have Stephanie vicer beat Julia
and then Julia gets called up like raw after Mania.
Speaker 1: I could definitely see that.
Speaker 2: And then I assume whenever Vicare loses the title, she
gets called up. And the plan for Roxtan for months
now because Julia was supposed to come into NXC earlier,
but you got injured in Marigold, so the plans are
sort of pushed back. But even the rumor since then
is whenever Roxanne loses that title, she's getting called up.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I could also see Corey Jay coming up I
honestly feel like NXT has a strong batch of women
that you could pick three or four out of them
and bring them up and they would all do amazing
out of the gate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the thing with NXT two is you have
I do and called up, but then you also have
a lot of great women who aren't really being used
right now that with those call ups, could easily fill
that space in NFD as compared to the men's singles division,
where there really aren't many people you could take out
and have it be competence without having like Ridge Hall
and made event every show. I think there's a lot
of women in NXC I could be called up and
already have people to take like Thea Hale is a
great wrestler and she hasn't wrestled the match in like
three months, because there's all these top stars that are
like running everything.
Speaker 1: And like I saw a bit of think your name
is Karmen Petrovic and she had a good presentation, and
I'm like, Okay, I could definitely see her being a
spotlight person with like.
Speaker 2: The future NXC women's main eventers are like Karmen Petrovic,
little of Ice, Jada Parker, Oh you got to.
Speaker 1: Keep Lola there just for those uh those shoot fights
that she does, those five pits sound ones. She's been
those I have seen and I've I've been very impressed
with those.
Speaker 2: Those have been fun. They always all of them have
like something something different in them, like she had h
I think I remember the Natalia one being good because yeah,
that one was like all submissions and like the sharp Shooter,
like putting her into the Sharp Shooter like a ton
of times. The Shana one was like, I think the
Shana one was the most like like shoot fight type one.
I think maybe they they went on to the table
like a once or twice. And yeah, the one with
Jada Parker was was fun also because that one was
also more like just like she was Lolavice was doing
the MMA stuff and then Jada Parker was just doing
normal wrestling stuff like she was just superlexing your body
slams and like using the table and the steps and stuff.
But yeah, that's a fun match type and it's cool
that she has like her own match like that. She
even main event like one of the I think spring
Break spring Breaking Night one, like the main event was
the underground match.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you have a lot of opportunities for call ups.
I'm interested to see how things change as a result
of this. But luckily can they have a deep roster
on all sides of it. So there's gonna be a
good shake up, and I'm excited to see where they
go with this shakeup. Speaking of a full roster, let's
get into some pay per view reviews. So let's start
off first with aw full gear. And the reason I
say loaded roster is because counting the pre show, this
had twelve matches twelve, and they weren't all singles matches
like there was a fatal There was two four way matches.
One one was a four way tag team match, the
other one was a four way singles match. But man
twelve matches. Now, granted three of those were pre show matches,
but still twelve is a lot. And they also weren't
short matches either. I mean, the average length of the
matches on the main show was I believe over fifteen
minutes a piece. Most of them were in the eighteen
to nineteen range, with a couple of them being in
the thirteen minute range. Those that makes for a long,
long night, a long long night. Yeah, So let me
just run down the car real quick. On the pre show,
we had an A J defeat Diana Pirazzo via pinfall.
Speaker 2: We had Buddy matt start for her faction there with the.
Speaker 1: We had Buddy Matthews with an amazing showing defeating Dante Martin,
Commander and the Beast Marts in a fatal four way match.
I thought that was a good showing for Buddy Matthews.
And then the highlight of the pre show, the most
talked about pre show match was Big Boom Aj of
the Cosco Boys accompanied by a Big Justice and the
wrestler as timekeeper versus a Q Team Marshall, which we
all knew how this was going to end. You're bringing
in a celebrity guest all this and against someone like
QT Marshall. You you knew how this was gonna go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it ended up being I thought a really
fun match. I like this match. I've even rewatched it.
I even rewatched it once. Then, I think for what
it was, and it ended up going over really well
with the crowd, and I think it was a good
moment for aw and a fun moment. I think it
was even I think people were saying this pay per
view might have had the first first show where the
first match on the actual card were just a cool
down from the crew show.
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah as we wish. So we started off with
the fatal four tag team match for the ae W
Tag Team Champions, with half the teams getting well actually
three fourths of the teams getting pre show entrances. Now,
I'm used to the pre show entrances on Dynamite and
on Rampage where they'll tweet out, hey, watch the entrances
here so that they can maximize the show length. You
didn't have to maximize the show length here, So I
don't know why you did the entrances as part of
the pre show.
Speaker 2: They did at all in too, for the same for
the Tree this match, the entrances started on the pre show.
I guess in theory, it's just like, look, maybe people
who haven't bought the show yet, in theory would see
these cool entrances and be like, oh, I want to
watch this match now. But also, I do not think
any of this help. I think people, especially with AW,
I don't think like, if you're just the YouTube watcher
and you see the school entrances, I don't think you're
spending whatever amount of money it is to watch the show.
Speaker 1: And not for the opening matches either. So Private Party,
the Outrunners, Kings, the blackthrow On, and the Acclaimed none
of this. If I'm a casual viewer who is watching
the pre show, is gonna be like, oh yeah, that
match is happening. You know what, I am going to
buy it. If you're going to do that, you need
to start off with a big no name Now Private
Party winning. I think that was something that was pretty
set up. They were going to continue from what they
did off of the Young Bucks. I didn't think it
was the right time to drop it now. But for
the most part, yeah, they they had the type of
match that I thought that they would have. Nothing, nothing special,
in my opinion, it was just a good, solid match.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. It was definitely just the building the
acclaimed storyline as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, and then MJF defeated roder Strong by submission
and we knew what this was going to be. There
was no chance Roddy Strong was beaten MJF. The postmatch
beat down stuff and then the Kingdom being mad at
excuse me, the Kingdom being mad that Roddy didn't get
saved in time. That's something about that seemed a little
bit off to me, Like ya rush out, Adam Coley,
y'all didn't do anything.
Speaker 2: In wrestling logic. I feel like everyone like you're you're
legally not allowed to do a run in until the
person is already being beaten down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like in my headcanon, it is they are back
there in Gorilla telling somebody to cue their music. That's
what's taking them so long to get the guys sitting
there searching the files to get your tron set up
and everything else. And until that's ready, then you can
run out. Because I'm like, you're that.
Speaker 2: All these wrestlers have a little microchips in them that
activate when they go through the entrance way to text
them and then it plays their music automatically as they
run out.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Mercedes Money versus Chris Statlander, this was a
surprisingly good match. It was for the TBS Championship. Money's
TVs Championship. Mercedes Money has been hit or missed with
me in aw and as a champion, and I think
this was a very very good showing for her, and
it was a very good showing for Chris stat Lander.
They both gave it. They're all Mercedes look like the
Sasha Banks of old, which is what I've been waiting for.
I still think she struggles with promos, but this one
was really some strong n ring work by both of them,
which made Mercedes feel more credible as champion.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I agree. I think having her against sat Lander
is a really good base for a lot of the
moves and stuff, especially the size difference. I think that
helps her a lot, Like there's just more moves she
can do on Statlander than someone else who's of the
same size.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Jay White defeated hang Man Adam Page. I went
back and forth about my feelings on this match. I
originally going into it had Hangman winning just to continue
like his story in the way that they were really
pushing that Jay White has had his number on so
many occasions, has beat him five times in singles matches,
all this other stuff. I'm like, Okay, they're really set
me up to think that Hangman's going to do it
this time. And Jay White wins and I was just like, oh,
that was not a result I saw happening. But does
kind of in retrospect help with Hangman's intimateness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think, especially now with the story that
we're seeing into world's end. It's also an interesting wrinkle
there if they really want to team up against the Mocks,
or if there might be more issues between them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kyle Fletcher and will Ospray and will Ospray with
the amazing interest. Will Ospray kills it with these pay
per view entrances, and I was totally here for this
punisher fail.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think, and he's used it, I think
a couple more times since then. I believe. Yeah, that's
a cool design. I like it a lot.
Speaker 1: But Kyle Fletcher getting the win. Will Osprey has not
shied away from giving others their shine and giving others
their wins, so I think that's been good. Kyle Fletcher
looked great. It continues this will Ospray versus Doan Kallis
storyline thing, and I said, they put on, probably from
a peer wrestling standpoint, my favorite match of the night.
I love will Ospray. He is in my top two
of current active wrestlers. But I thought this was a
great match. I thought they did right with the booking
of this, and for it being a twenty four minute match,
it did not feel like it. I was all for this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's your other person in here, tomthing.
Speaker 1: Oh in my top two currently outside of Will Osprey,
I would say that if I'm just going off of
the wrestling aspect of it, he technically is a current wrestler.
I would still say Kenny Omega is my favorite, even
though he is out with injury. But he will be
back in less than a month, so I'm waiting to
see full on Kenny. I want full Kenny to just
show up and show out. I think he is just
absolutely amazing. He can do the high flying, he can
do the flips, but he also just his whole presentation,
his facial expressions, everything he does in an makes Kenny
my favorite active wrestler right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know. I assume that's who it would be,
but I wasn't judged to know if she had some
other wrestler that you just really like.
Speaker 1: I love you Solo. That that's my number one.
Speaker 2: My photo here of of Julia I love you Solo.
Speaker 1: So next up, Daniel Garcia defeating Jack Perry to take
on the AWT and T Championship. It was the right
time if you weren't going to do it. With Danny
Garcia winning it, wasn't going to happen like he needed
this right now. Jack Perry can continue on with his
character without the championship. But I think if Daniel Garcia
took another loss right now and continued to lose in
these big matches, I think that it would have hurt
him way too much. He needed this win right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. I think Darren this year definitely needed it.
And I think Jack Perry definitely needed to lose this
title because I don't think this reign really did much
for him.
Speaker 1: No, you can have your scapegoat character. You don't need
the title for that. The win itself when he won
the title, like, I got it in that moment and
what they were trying to do with the New Elite
and everything else, but he he hasn't done anything. Yeah,
it's it's been inconsequential to him as a character going forward,
So he didn't really need it. Follow up with another
championship match, which was the aw International Championship Knuscid t
Keusta defeating Rickochet. I liked Takeusta. I love Rickochet, so
I didn't really know who was going to win this one.
I also went back and forth on do you have
Ricochet take a loss this but I don't think that
this loss did a disservice to him. I think him
and Takesha put on just such an incredible match that
coming out of it, he still looked like Ricochet and
you still felt like, all right, he is a contender.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think now looking back, especially if they're
turning him heel and sort of he lost, so now
he needs another way to get these opportunities. I think
it adds that story as well, and which is fine
with him losing, especially if you're building Takeshta. It should
be okay for him to beat someone who's on his level,
so you can't just have him defend the title against
people who are below him. That wouldn't help him at all.
So him beat Ricochet thought was a good decision. I
see some people didn't really like this match, even people
are fans of Takesha and Ricochet, and I do sort
of agree with Like, I think it was Ricochet trying
to show that he wasn't just the flippy guy, but
at the same time, everyone just wants to see the
flippy guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. We had Bobby Lashley defeating Swerve Strickland by technical submission.
So I'm I'll be honest, I'm not that much of
a fan of Bobby Lashley in his group with MVP
and Shelton Benjamin. He's my third favorite member of that group.
So and I loved the work of Swerve Strickland. But
I get it, Bobby's the new big guy, so you
got to give him the win. But this match just
really didn't do much for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't have a huge expectations for it or anything.
I liked the story of it, and yeah, lastly definitely
needed the win. I do like lash I wouldn't say
I'm like a huge fan, but I definitely do like him,
and I'm just interested, especially with this whole hurt stendicit
story going forward and who what other members could possibly
be added, Like I was just talking about Ricochet, and
I think it's an interesting angle, even if it is
like another group sort of taking over sort of not really,
but yeah.
Speaker 1: And then finally John Moxleygue Champion defeating Orange Chassidy. Again,
I did not have Orange Cassidy winning this at all.
So it was a good match. Weird, weird indanc to
the match in my opinion, like, but it was an
expected outcome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say the sort of weird thing about this one,
and it doesn't really have to do with John Locks
or Orange Cassie. It's sort of like the whole conglomeration thing.
You'd think there would be there to help them against
these guys, and they sort of do come out at
the end. But then the one weird thing is you
have Willow attack Marina Shaffir, which something people have been
saying is like, well, you need a woman here to
fight her, and then after that attack, nothing ever happened
for that, like they I don't think they'd be interacted
at all, Willow and Shaffir. So that was a bit
weird there. But besides that, I did like the match. Obviously,
Orange is a good baby face there to take out
this heel John Moxley, so good pick there, and you know,
had all the classic stuff. You had some crowd brawling there,
and you had that great nails spot that I saw
people talk about just like graphic imagery there. And but
I thought it was a fun match. I mean, I
like that. I wouldn't say I've been like a massive
massive fan of the Moxley title reign in this whole storyline,
but it wasn't bad. It wasn't like offensive in any way,
I don't think, and it obviously made sense for Orange
to be a challenger there. So yeah, oh you're muted it.
Speaker 1: Like I said, it's it served its its purpose. It
just it wasn't a wow match, and it just seemed
like I did not see a situation where Orange walked
away as the champion. And I like Orange Chassis, but
I don't see them ever making him a legitimate world champion.
Mid card yes, world no, and so in this it
just seemed like, Okay, he's there to fight for aew
but I don't see a situation where he takes home
the belt, not right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: So the other big pay per view that we had
coming out of that was a Survivor series Wargames, the
Big Bloodline pay per view. They were the center point.
So unlike our last pay perview, which had twelve matches,
this one had five, which I think WW has been
doing a good job with just here's what we have
as a focal point, here's what we're throwing in, and
we're not rushing to get everybody on the card. Now.
I don't know how much of that has to do
with the fact that they're now mainly streaming for their
pl so it's not like the old days where you
got the DVD residuals or they're not rushing to get
everyone on the card, so everyone gets this pay per
view payday or whatnot. But it was a five match card.
You started off with the women's war Games with Rhea, Ripley,
Bianca b La, Naomi Eosky, and Bailey deviating the Judgment
Days Lived Morgan calrod riuz Nia, Jack's, Tiffany Stratus, and
Candice Lay. I thought that the women did pretty good
in this match. Eo Sky, of course, is an MVP
of the style matches with her high flying athletics. The
trash can spot is always fun. Tiffany Shratt with the briefcase,
and in that moment you didn't know who she was
going to cash in on because there's technically two champions
in that match, So I think that they had some
good spots. I was shocked when Rhea came in and
she didn't just decimate everyone out the gate, but in retrospect, okay,
she's such a threat they all had to team up
on her coming in.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like this match, probably more than most people did,
I think, and but I do agree that. I think
when it was sort of that time those i'd say
twenty minutes or so where everyone's coming in, I think
it was a little slow. But once everyone was in,
I really liked that. But even and I really liked
everything onward from that point, But even in that time
when people were just coming in, I thought some of
those interactions, like EO and Tiffany having like a little
base off there and doing their moves was really good.
And was they built when they both do their moves
off the cage, that was really awesome. And yeah, I
think made sense the finish with the reopenning live obviously
setting up a title shot there. And yeah, I liked
a good showcase of all these women who had these storylines,
and you and Candice Larey getting on this show was cool.
Speaker 1: And the I mean you gotta have the speed Champion.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, technically there's another person that Tiffany could
have cashed in on their you know.
Speaker 1: What, I didn't even think about that, but you're absolutely right. Hey,
it's a perfect time to have an impromptu speed Championship match.
Speaker 2: You could have had a Speed Championship match in between
the Interworlds was only going in.
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, we got three minutes waiting on
someone to come in. We're gonna have a quick speed
championship match. I think that's something that they would have
done back in the day with the twenty four to
seven Championship if you had had someone in the cage.
I could see one of their partners turning around pinning
them real quick to win the twenty four seven Championship
in the middle of that match. So next up, we
had La Knight defending his United States Championship against Shinsky
Nakamora and Shinsky winning it. They took the belt off
of the La Night gave it to Shinsky and his
new darker character, and I mean from Shinsk's entrance to
the match itself, I'm loving this presentation of Shinsky Nakamora
right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we've been talking earlier this whole show about
people needing a win to establish them, and this was
definitely one of those cases, like you can't do all
that presentation and just have them lose, like we just
want to work. And yeah, I think it was sort
of like an unexpected pick like win. But then once
it happened. It's like, Okay, obviously this needed to happen,
but yeah, it was cool. I think I like that
Shinsky won clean technically, even if he was using sort
of dirty tactics, but he didn't like low blow him
for example.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like he said, Schinsky needed this. I mean,
everyone knows that Shinsky isn't concerned in reality about wins
and losses. He's out here having fun, he's putting on
his matches, he's doing what he needs to do. But
I think from a character standpoint and from a somebody
to be taken seriously as a competitor standpoint, he needed
this win. He got the win. His presentation, his new
presentation has been just amazing.
Speaker 2: Aweso and it's gotten even better, like from SmackDown to
the next show to Survivor Series, like and you can
see they've been taking like that first it was like
he had the because even the SmackDown entrance the night
before was actually taped, so they had about a week
between that first presentation and Survivor Series to make some changes.
Because if you go to that SmackDown, the theme is
it's it's similar in that style where it's using the
more like classic instruments like the flutes and stuff, the
plays theme, but it wasn't as different as the version
is now. It was sort of just like a cover
of his normal theme, just like on different instruments. But
then at Survivor series it was very much the darker
version with the blood moon, which I really like, and
even his entrance I think when he won the title,
like the next week now, they've even timed it so
the moon rises behind him as he walks to the ring,
so when he starts out, it's fully behind him and
then it rises so you always see the blood moon
behind him as he walks the ring. So just an
awesome presentation there. And Triple H even uploaded that video
of them working out the entrance and the lightning and stuff,
which I thought was a cool behind the scenes the
look there of just how they plan all this stuff out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty cool. I've been liking his insurances and
it's had to see where he's going next. Up, we
had triple threat match for an Intercontinent Championship bron Breakers,
Seamus and Ludwick Kaiser. Like said earlier, Seamus has been
putting on a show. Ron Breaker has been putting on
a show. And I think that uh Ludwick Kaiser looked
super strong in this match. He looked like a competitor
that could keep up. He did not look like the
guy who was just thrown in to eat the pin.
They all had a chance to shine and look great
and just have that hard hitting match, and I think
that this was an excellent showing for all of them.
I was not surprised by bron Breaker walking away with
the win and keeping his championship just a little bit longer.
So it was a good, solid match. Nothing that is
going to be like, oh, this was the match of
the night contender, but it's also something that you walked
away thinking all three of these men were strong competitors. No.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you said, Kaiser was absolutely had a spot
in there. It wasn't just let's put him in there,
like he had a story reason and just like a
work great reason to go in there. And he's great
also another person who's been having just like a great
year just having great matches. Uh, And yeah, I thought
it was really fine. I love all three of these
guys really and like any combination of them is gonna
be a great match. And I'm a big triple Threat
Triple Threat fan, So that was another one for me.
And yeah, love the finish with the Kaiser getting speired
so hard he went out of the ring and then
Bron hits the second spear on Seamus for the wine,
so yeah, and I mean he didn't even Kaiser didn't
even take the pin in this situation. So definitely building
him up. And I do think at some point, especially
if my theory of Seamus winning the Icy title, I
think they will have more matches and I think within
a year you could see Kaiser as the Intercontinental champion.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I would love to see a version of Imperium
War Lu Kaiser standing next to Gunther and they're both
standing there with their championships. I think for their their entrance,
their presentation that that would look really cool for both
of those competitors.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I also like the story they've been telling
with Gunther and Kaiser, Like it's not one of those
where another member in the team is having more success
and they're jealous. Like I think in story, Gunther and
Kaiser really do want the other to improve and win titles,
and I don't think there's any even if they might
be doing their own thing. I don't think there's really
any splits happening soon. I don't think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of Gunther, he snatched up defeating Damian Priest
for to continue his reign as world heavyweight champion. Gunther
is Gunther like, my man is killing it. He's doing
a great job. This was an absolute just slapper. They
were going back and forth with it. I am hoping though,
that this is the last ride of the Gunther versus
Damien Priest for a while. Gunther gets his confidence back
after this, you know, they can roll out from there.
But I think that the Gunther Damien Priest has been
done a little bit too heavy right now. That let's
let's let it cool off, let them go face some
other people, and then if you want to come back
to that, because Damien Priest is such a strong competitor,
then go ahead. But I think this is a good
all right, Let's let's just end this now and Gunther
versus uh Damien Priest and the judgment day like, that's
that's not something you see like, hey, you you interfered
with my match. I'm mad at you too. Yeah, you
helped me, but I got this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Gunther is just a very unique character in the
in the world of wrestling, where he's a heel, but
he's just so good at what he does that he
doesn't want to win dirty in anyway. And h yeah.
Obviously that built up to the Triple Threat from uh
last night, which was also a great match, and yeah,
I liked, like I said, also a huge Damien Priest fan,
and so yeah, I like this match. A lot of
limb work there with the with the arms, I think
it was in that match, and uh yeah good. Uh
another good GUNTHERR match, Like you're really not gonna have
a bad GUNTHERER match, especially if it has time and
is on a PLA.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we're finish it off with the highlight
of it all the men's working match, and it was
the the New Bloodline Sola Sicoa, Jacobat, Tomatunga and Tongala
accompanied by Bronson Reed versus Roman Reigns, Jimmy and j Usso, Uh, Sammy, Uso,
Samy Saying and c im Punk.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: This match actually exceeded my expectations for what they did,
even though you know, in the wash of it all,
we lost a member of both sides of this to injury,
but I think everyone in here did an amazing job.
Jimmy start or I'm sorry, Jay was so starting the
match so that he could do his entrance straight to
the ring like I was here for them. I'm like,
all right, it was you assume Roman would be out
last just because he has the long drawn out entrance,
but giving Jay his main event, jay uso crowd insurance,
I think was a nice way to kick things off.
Speaker 2: So I think that's one of those entrances where you
want to have. It just gets the crowd into it
and excited, so it makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you seen the video of seeing Punk and
Jimmy in the cage during the entrance when.
Speaker 2: They are just I saw a little bit of the.
Speaker 1: Everyone is about saying Roman's in the back. He's trying
to keep a straight face, but you could tell he's
not in his head too, like everyone is just into
this entrance. Seeing Punk apparently went a little bit off
scrape with his uh push to it. But I thought that, hey,
that was a great touch, and that wasn't Punk being
unprofessional to me, that was Punk being so much of
a professional when it comes to wrestling that he knew
this little thing would add to the story.
Speaker 2: So it was. It was a great moment because you
just weren't expecting it, Like you're seeing him make his
entrance and then he goes over and hits them. It
was good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a lot of good storyline work with
the Bloodline and oh Man, first, uh, Roman keeping Punk
from going out that scene of him hand in front
of the cage that has been screenshot it so many times,
and then the reverse of it when Roman wants to
go out, Punk shoulder checking him. He is like, nah,
I got this. Those little bills, the planning, the seas
that Okay, they're not going to be able to get along.
So because they're not going to be get able to
get along, they're going to lose against the new Bloodline.
And then Punk saving Roman and then them kind of
having that moment of all right, we can do this together,
which just overall great match. I'm sad to see Bronson
Reid go down to injury. I've free watched that spot
a couple of times. When the spot first happened, I
thought that did not look good. But rewatching it and
seeing his ankles, I feel for the guy and I'm
hoping for speedy recovery for Bronson because he was on
such a hot track right now.
Speaker 2: I think he already has gotten surgery, so hopefully all
goes well for him and he's back.
Speaker 1: He'll be out past, he'll be out past WrestleMania, but
hopefully he takes.
Speaker 2: His that'll be a great return. They're hitting a surprise
tsunami on someone that set up a big match.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Jacob Atu was selling his injury. He was
actually the one not injured, but the one who looked
the most injured, because I was like, oh, man, not
his leg again. The way that he sold some of
those was just great. And then again the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think the whole thing was like he
was supposed to hit the moon Slalt I think on
on Punk and then that was just a genuine botch.
But then he completely just went into selling the leg,
so no one even noticed the botch and just was like, oh,
they actually get hurt there, but.
Speaker 1: Sold for the rest of the match made it what
it was. It was just great work and uh the
say the good guys get the win and the moment
what see him Punk and Paul Hayman reminding him of
the favor like the story build up of that. I'm
just like, yes, let's keep going with this. I want
to know what the favor is. I want to know
where we're going with this. I want to know what
Punk's involvement is. I think it was just such good
storytelling in the match and then after the match.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess we haven't really mentioned the favorite at
all in these WrestleMania plans. But what do you think
it is specifically? I mean my thinking of Paul Hamon
getting in that WrestleMania main event.
Speaker 1: But then yeah, exactly, And I think they're going to
be vocal with it because everyone knows that that was
a big deal for Punk. I mean, he said it
in the interview, in the Cabana interview, he said it
in other things like that was a dream of his
and he was pissed when it was taken away. So yeah,
I could see that being a linchpin of I told
you guys, I wanted to main event WrestleMania. I had
the injury last year when I should have made invented
Night one in WrestleMania, and yet you put you know,
Roman and Cody in two different nights of it, Like
if this leads to him versus Cody. I could see
that because hey, you got to May event two different
nights last year. Well, I was sitting on injury like
that would be the favor. You know, the wise man
pulled the strings and got me my match that I
am so deserved. So yeah, I think that's going to
be the favor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: So but in that Survivor series, great showing. Again, only
the five matches, but they maximize those matches, which they
they've been doing a lot of. Not too many Shenanikins,
just straight up good matches and a good showing for
your mid car championships. I did think it was odd
at the time not to for this being one of
the original Big four pay per views to not have
Cody anywhere on it, but knowing that he was getting
saved for Saturday night's main event. But they still made
the most of it. So yeah, it was good.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Uh speaking of pay per reviews, we got coming up
a w World's End, so there are World's in paper view.
Pay per view originally wasn't World's in, wasn't that big,
and now it's it's gotten to a point where it
is getting a little bit more shine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, last year was not a good showing for the
Worlds and the pay per view with something that's that
might have been a w's worst pay per view of
all time. But yeah, it looks a bit better this year,
I'd say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this this one's looking like that, it's actually
going to be good. So you're gonna have your Continental
Classic winners first, the runner up match and then the
winners match.
Speaker 2: So how does this runners up thing work? Like, I'm
not as burst into the rules and stuff of the Classic.
Is it just like does the runners up match to
give them anything? Or is that just like just the
runners up will have a match?
Speaker 1: So I believe it is, and this is weird. So
you could have in the funt it is the Blue
League winner versus the Gold League runner up, and then
the Gold League runner and then the Blue League runner
up versus the Gold League winner, and then whoever wins
those will go on to face each other for the
Continental Championship.
Speaker 2: So in theory, both runners up could beat the winners
and then face each other to be the real winner.
Speaker 1: Yep. Or you could have a just straight up Blue
league or just straight up goal league finals. Yeah, so
you could win. Yeah, you could be the Blue League
winner and think, okay, who am I facing from the
goal league and then end up facing the runner up
someone you've already faced before, Like it gives it that
that deeper layer that the final could be you've already
faced before. So I do like that aspect of it.
But the whole Continental Classic thing as a whole has
just been, in my opinion, weird with the belt and
its lineage and everything like that. So Okada is the
championship now, so like he loses the championship in a
match he's not even in. I don't know. Do they
just automatically do you see him just walking into the
finals because he's the championship and then him losing it outright,
or does he win it all so that they don't
have to do some weird switch with the belt, Like
how does that work? That is?
Speaker 2: I'm not really I think that it goes back to
the fact that this belt really should have been like
some sort of trophy or something like that to make
a bit less complicated. But I assume they'll have it
figured out and it'll makes sense. But yeah, definitely definitely
a bit complicated there in terms of how this belt
affects them, But it will be some great matches along the.
Speaker 1: Way, speaking of weird belts and weird championships, you've got
MJF versus Adam Cole for the Dynamite Diamond Ring.
Speaker 2: Is it actually for the ring?
Speaker 1: It's it's for the ring. I mean Adam Adam Cole
won won the qualifiers, so it's actually for the ring.
MJF being the five time ring holder, I haven't won
it every year, so is it finally the year where
someone else wants it? Or like I never thought that
we would be wrestling for a legitimate ring. And you know,
it's different from when Cody switched the ROH title to
a ring so he didn't have to carry the ROH
title with him everywhere. But this is like an actual
championship ring that people compete for. And yeah, I think
MJF is going to continue the win with it, and
that's going to set up more stuff with Adam Cole
and the Kingdom breaking down because to me, the Kingdom's
not working. The whole Devil thing didn't work. The Kingdom's
not working. I think you just need to break them
up and then do a relaunch with Adam Cole.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the whole double Like people talk about
how it didn't really work for Adam Cole when you
look at the rest of this faction, like they just
went lower and lower down the card to the point
where Wardlow has like completely disappeared from a W I.
Speaker 1: Forgot wardlaw was a part of this. He was a
part of that the Devil, he.
Speaker 2: Was one of the he was one of the devils
masked men. And yeah, he's just been gone there. But uh, yeah,
I guess that makes sense. I'm draft winning. I just
didn't think they would really continue this June after this point,
but I guess we'll.
Speaker 1: See, yeah, John Moxley, Orange Cassidy, Hangman, Adam Page, and
Jay White in a fatal four way match for AW
World Championship. Again. I don't see Orange Cassidy being World Champion.
Much as I like him and I think he's been
a great asset for AW, I just don't see him
being world champion unless it's going to be a a
transitional world champion. But do you think somebody else could
win over John Moxley.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think this match will start
with the three let's say good Ish guys attacking him
three on one, but eventually it'll break down. Obviously, they
start fighting each other to the point where I assume
some people are down, there's one guy left. Moxley comes in,
hits this finisher and retains the title.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could definitely see that. I think that it
will be a situation where the one on one between
Hangman and Switchblade distracts from the match. They end up brawling,
taken out, and then maybe Moxley pins Orange Cassie to
retain while they're off distracted, and that leads to more
with them instead. But I just don't see Orange cast
He winning, But I could if you are going to
switch the title, maybe do Hangman. I don't think Jay
White has been positioned as a champion in ae W,
not to that degree, not like he was back in
New Japan. So the only other option I think would
be Hangman Adam Page. But I see John Moxley continuing this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Plus, I think if you are building j White,
I think you're I think what they're building too is
a singles match between him and Moxley for the title.
I assume in Australia for Grand Slam, not his exact
home country, but next to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see Mariah May versus Thunder Rosa Tewana Street
Fight for the aw Women's Championship. Mariah May has been
class recently. I've I know, I looked on the internet.
Some people haven't liked her as champion. I've loved her
as champion. I've loved the back and forth with her
as champion, Like I really feel she has brought a
fun aspect to that championship title. She's continued some of
the stuff that she had done with Tony Storm and
just continuing that feel. I don't think thunder Rosa has
been positioned in a point recently to make you feel
like she's a real credible threat.
Speaker 2: The only person she's beat just over and over and
over for the last four months has been Harley Cameron.
She's had no no, she's beaten no other people. I
don't think she's even wrestled other people other than Harley
Cameron for like four months. Yea, and she just gets
the the title here.
Speaker 1: She she shows up, she has the sign about you
know how she's I'm a fan of the current product
and things like that. But to me, she's not really
positioned as a strong championship contender. I think she's gonna
put on a great match I think dunder Russa can
wrestle her ass off. Don't get me wrong. She can
hold her own and she can take Mariah May through
different segments and different maneuvers that you wouldn't normally see
in a Mariah May match, and I think that will
add an extra layer to it. I just don't see
her as champion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like for me, like to counter, I haven't been
a huge fan of Maria's rain. I feel like a
lot of the matches have just sort of been filler
waiting until Tony comes back, and there hasn't been much
story for any of the defenses I'd say, besides just
like sort of needing a defense, and I've just thought
it's been okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing two special. Well, we'll just have to see
where it goes. Right now, there's seven matches scheduled for this,
which means that they're going to add four more between.
Speaker 2: Now and was announced on Twitter like the day before
the show, like it wasn't Bill on TV, like they
just announced that like through the account. So I assume
this will be another eleven to twelve match card, including
pre show matches and all that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have your mid cart titles on there,
the TBS or TNT championships, so those will probably be added.
They'll probably do something with the tax.
Speaker 2: Did we mention the international yet?
Speaker 1: That that's that's number seven. That's the next one. That's
the latest one that has been announced is Kenoski Takesha
versus Powerhouse Hobbs. Yeah, Big Big so there biggest smile
and somewhere Big is smiling Powerhouse Hobbs. I like him.
He he will give a good match, but I don't
see him beaten Takeshta. I see h Takesha continuing, and
I believe Takesha is going to be competing in Japan
along with the Young Bucks and everybody on that joint show.
Speaker 2: So I think he's I think he's having a match
on both shows, I think, and I think they're somehow
connected something like on one of the shows he's fighting
for a title, and then on the other show it's
obviously if he if he wins, then he'll defend that
title against someone on the second show. I think I
think the order is the aw one is first and
then the Wreussell Kingdom is second. So I think Russell
Dynasty is first.
Speaker 1: I have no Russell Kingdom is first because Russell Kingdom
is always on January fourth, and then the aw Dynasty
is on the fifth. Okay, so yeah, because that's Zach
Sabers Junior versus Ricochet, even though the day before it's
Zach Saber Junior versus Chateaumino for the championships.
Speaker 2: So not spoiling a result lyrics.
Speaker 1: Yes, but he's gonna be a part of that. So
I don't think you're gonna take the championship off of
him when he's about to have a strong showing going forward.
I just yeah, you don't. You don't waste that. Now,
the Young Bucks not having the title, but going over
to Japan, that's one thing because they're the Young Bucks.
Same thing with Kinney Omega. You can send them over
there with the rich history and that not be an issue.
While to catch that, I think you don't send him
over there without the championship, especially the International Championship, and
then he's competing against people in Japan and you pretty
much have to have that at some point.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, now, do you have any predictions for the Gold
League winner and the Blue League winner? Right now? As
it stands, Kyle Fletcher is leading the Blue League with
Kazuo Kata as runner up, and Will Osprey and Claudio
and Ricochet are all tied with six points, with will
Ospray technically being the top due to head to head
defend defeats.
Speaker 2: I could see the finals being I think I predicted
this of it being Osprey Fletcher. Yeah, so I see
Osprey would defeat someone in the first match, maybe get
a win back on Claudio perhaps to qualify and get
into that final, and the or how the brackets work
will do I'm thinking of it now, I think I
messed it up. But whatever. Either way, the I think
the finals will be will be a Fletcher and Ospray.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that it will be Kyle Fletcher as
the Blue League winner versus Ricochet will take the Gold
League runner up and Kyle Fletcher will beat him in
order to advance to the finals. I think Blue League
runner up will be Ocatta versus Goat League winner, which
will be Will Osprey. I think they will have an
absolute banger which will lead to Will Osprey being beat
up in a match to face Kyle Fletcher in the finals.
As far as who wins that, I think even being
beat up, Will Osprey wins that he gave Kyle Fletcher
the early wins, but I think will Osprey prooves he's
the veteran and wins it on that big stage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially if you have some of that Don call
I don't know who exactly would maybe helped take out
some of the Don Kallis type interference, but I think
ostpr ends up winning it through that interference being taken
out somehow. Yeah, they flip over and knock out Callous
and take him down and then he ends up winning.
Speaker 1: So, like I said, we got two weeks until just
under two weeks until World's In. They're going to add
three or four more matches plus two pre show matches
at least to this bye band. So we shall see
what else gets added. Like I said, I'm guessing a
tag team match TBS T and T and one other.
Oh let's see. And finally we have n X T versus.
This is ae W.
Speaker 2: I guess this is in terms of I guess the
ratings once again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they there has been some back and forth with
the ratings and I am not a ratings. Oh my god,
look who beat who this week? And oh they had
you know, one hundred thousand more viewers. Aw's in the
toilet versus NXT is in the toilet. I do think
some of it does get blown out of proportion. Why,
like people post up pictures of the arenas. Up until recently,
AW was running bigger arenas, but with the same amount
of people in the crowd. NXT is running their normal
size shows. So it does look like, yeah, NXT is
full every week, and oh my god, look at AW
with these huge empty sections. Yes, they have huge empty
sections in a fifteen tho person arena. It's it's not
the same. This to me is not the new Monday
Night Wars. This to me is not the new Wednesday
Night Wars. And I'm just left.
Speaker 2: They're going directly head to head. The comparison isn't really
there because they're not splitting the viewers. That being said,
when they did go head to head at the start
of November with NXT going into Wednesday, they did beat
them there.
Speaker 1: So I give all credit to Joe Hendry.
Speaker 2: I don't think he was even on that show, the
ECW one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say this about n XT. I think
NXT does a better job of promoting where they're going.
I think they do a better job of promoting new
stars and a better job of promoting the possibilities, Like
at any moment, you could see a new crossover, you
could see something new happen with NXT. While I think
aw Tony Khan has been relying on the his thought
that they are the best wrestling product, which they haven't
been putting out the best wrestling product. They have great
wrestlers and they could, they just haven't been, and I
think Tony's kind of been focused on the wrong things
and putting his energy in the wrong places, which is
effectively hurting AW as a whole.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like you said about promoting where they're gonna be,
I think NXT is obviously different because they're taping that
at the performance Center, so it's not like they're on
the road every week where you could possibly meet going
for it. When they go somewhere, it's very much advertised
and like a once a month, maybe twice a month
type thing. So it builds that like, oh, I have
to go when it's near me, because they're probably not
gonna be near me for a long time if they
only do like one show outside the performance center a
month when they're fact, I think this week they're in
Massachusetts and like, and that's the thing. Also, they book
small arenas. I think this week they're in I think
it's the it's the place where Sean lost his smile.
It's only about like bits of a thousand people in Massachusetts,
but they're running the show there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I don't get the the commentary behind one
versus the other. And I think that NXT has been
putting on great shows. They've been setting up future stars.
I think AW has its moments of setting up future stars,
but it's still a quality product, I think.
Speaker 2: I think the more interesting thing is less of the
week to week like ratings change because obviously anything can happen,
and like like a few like the Thanksgiving week, they
both had like one hundred thousand less viewers each on
both of their shows, so there's nothing in fluctuate. The
more interesting stuff is like the year over year like
how you see, like NXT has slowly been growing and
gaining viewers. Well, AW like over years lost for like
thirty percent of their audience or fifty percent or however
much it will be when you compare it to like
twenty twenty one or twenty nineteen, when they're like at
their peak peak.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how much of that do you attribute to the
what I feel has become the lack of long term
storytelling that used to be something that AW was known for.
And I feel like Tony has gone from the what
can I do? How can I make this story last
as long as I can? To look at my new toys?
And how dare you say anything about the decisions I make?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could say the same things. I mean too
about NXC, like right now, like the whole women's division
is just the sort of the same thing you're saying,
look at the new toys. I mean, you could make
those comparisons. But I think NXT is just sort of
like a different YOW like with it being developmental still,
there's just a lot of things that can change roster wise,
like week to week, and I think NXT sort of
since it is that developmental. I think one thing that
helps is like people get attached more to some of
these wrestlers, like if you want to see them succeed
and stuff like that, as compared to bringing in like
an x WW star for example, to AW, like it's like, Okay,
I've seen this person, I know what they can do,
so like, yeah, I like them, but I don't have
to tune in all the time because I've seen them
before as compared to NXT, where it's like, I really
like this person. I can see them improving, so I
want to watch every week and see my favorite wrestler
and see what they do this week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think that AW is going to make
some improvements to get back to where they were or
do you think NXT is going to continue to rise
and just overtake.
Speaker 2: I think it all depends on sort of. And I
had this take about like the ROH supposed TV deal
that they supposedly put the title on Jericho to get
the TV deal, even though the last time they put
the ROH title on Jericho was to get a TV
deal and they to get a TV deal. But my
take was that if this does get them a TV deal,
then why would they change anything because oh, clearly it's
working in their eyes. In business wise, I think that's
all going to depend on them moving to Max too.
They have the guaranteed money, and I think if they
get a good viewership on streaming, like, they won't be
worrying about the necessary viewers and they might not make
as many changes if they're like, well, clearly this is
working and we have our money, So why do we
need a change in their eyes? I mean they're just
looking at it from a pure business sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, Jericho no longer screams dollars for me, Like, yes,
he's an he has been an integral part of the show,
but he's not who I would hang my hat on anymore.
I do think.
Speaker 2: Especially I think they. I think even they know that
because this year, I think it's been I think it
was all out this year that was like the first
pay per view that Jericho ever missed, and since then
he hasn't. I don't think he was on full gear.
I mean he might, No, he's not gonna be. I
don't think at World's End has this rh thing. So
I think even they know that he's You don't need
to put him in a match on every single paview
and every single Dynamite.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's not translating again. I think that it's
it's good to have him around, but not you don't
need him in the prolific role that you've had him in,
and you've got all these other stars, use them, build
them up and get people watching. Hell. I love Athena
and I would love to see Athena on TV more,
especially if you're trying to get an ROH TV deal, Like, hey, here,
here's a snippet of what we have over there. If
you want to see more, let's get RH on TV.
Speaker 2: Because you show every other ROH title dependent on Dynamite,
like except her pretty much. I think I think you
could say literally every single other RH title has appeared
like consistently at some point within the last year on AWTV,
specifically Dynamite, and She's really only been on the other
time outside of RH has really been like Battle of
the Belts type shows, and those aren't gonna be drawn
many viewers.
Speaker 1: Or attention especially.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're pretty much being forced to make these shows. Yeah,
but yeah, it's definitely an interesting scenario. But yeah, I
definitely don't think AW is like dead or dying, but
it's definitely an interesting if you just look at the
numbers of how the trends are going, and like people say,
like every company is hot and cold at some point,
so it just takes one change, like it took like
Cody Roads or The Rock coming back to make like
Dowe like the hottest, and they could take like one
storyline in AW to make everything on fire again. So
who knows, But yeah, I guess we haven't talked about
it either because we had the Netflix Raw premiere and
then AW is starting streaming on Mac. I think that
first week as well, I think before Netflix even so,
I'm not sure what day exactly that Wednesday is made
January first or second. I think it is the first.
I think that's going to be it's a special show.
I forget what the specific one is. I think Fight
for the Fallen is going to be let's see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe it is Fight for the Fallen. That's
the one that FDR has been really promoting. Yeah. Start
in January tween twenty five, Dynamite will be shown same
thing with Collision simulcast on Max and then sometime later
in twenty twenty five, Max will begin to offer a
pip review AW events for a discounted price for their subscribers.
They don't say what the discount of price is, but
discounted price, yeah, so I could I know Right now,
things of their old market has moved away from Bleacher
Report and now it is on the Triller TV, which
I switched over all my old purchases and then I
didn't even see them under Triller TV, so I've never
been a fan of Triller TV's platform. But it's they
have also been airing AW shows internationally, so I think
that's why they went with that. But I'm I'm happy
for them to have an agreement to start airing on
Max as well and doing that livestream. So I don't
know if it will be commercial free. Also, like the
as a national broadcast.
Speaker 2: I think Dave Miltzer was saying that he doesn't think
it's going to be a commercial free and some people
have even noticed that, like more in these past couple
of weeks during the commercial breaks in AW, the wrestlers
have been working the matches like they've been having the
rest type. It's not like on when they had when
you can watch the whole thing ad free, like they
could just keep going through the action. People have noticed
even in the if you're watching the ad free free
when they go to commercial, they've been working more of
the w W put on your headlocks for three minutes
while we go to.
Speaker 1: Commercial time time for the rest whole time for someone
to get knocked out of the ring, and it's a
good point for the referee to try and reset the match.
Speaker 2: People are theorizing that, uh, probably gonna be getting commercials
on Max because of that reason.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm not a fan of that, but it is
what it is.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's definitely gonna be interesting. Both major shows
are going to streaming, with Raw and Dynamite in the
same week. Yeah, definitely gonna be an interesting era there
of how that works, and hopefully streams aren't crashing or
glitching out and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I will say this, We're not at a
point with wrestling where it is Mike Tyson, Logan Paul levels,
so I don't think that that will be necessarily an issue,
but hopefully everything goes well. I will say, I wonder
how many people will get locked out of their accounts
because the sharing aspect will be exposed a little bit more. Yeah,
so it may booster the subscriber numbers with people who
are wanting to watch something live. So we shall see.
Speaker 2: But I think what stuff Max is necessarily streamed live.
I can't think of it anything specific that they I
think they they have some sport I think they they
have some sports packages maybe like m B A I
think they have on Max. So if they can handle that,
they'll probably be fine with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have MAX and I only use it for
really DC stuff and a couple of other stuff here
and there, so that.
Speaker 2: I use it for that like the DC or like
they have some eighty four stuff, I believe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really put it stuff. I haven't put it
to the test too much. So we we shall see
where we go with uh, both of these streaming deals.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: I hope it works out. A hope wrestling succeeds. Rising
Tide raises all ships. So I hope both of them
do well with this. We get more of the fan base,
we get more people into wrestling, it continues its build
up mainstream. I'm all for it.
Speaker 2: So it is to find that the easier is to
to make fans, especially if it's not on traditional cable TV.
If you're just able to put on an app, click
on one button and watch it, that'll be bringing in
it because it'll be easier just all you want to
watch this, especially if the thing the rumor is like
all these raws and stuff like that, like once they
end the stream, like they'll immediately be available to UH
to watch like as a as a vo D there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't have to do the Hulu wait until nine
am the next morning.
Speaker 2: Peak cock. You have to wait like a whole month
to see any of these episodes.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so that that will be good. Before we
get out of here, I know, I'm putting you on
the spot. Do you have an update on where we
are with the draft?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I do. I did manage to do it before.
So let me read out here.
Speaker 1: We have.
Speaker 2: Well, uh, well, I can start with the euro fifty mounts.
So we are on week the end of week thirty
seven here, and this week you got six points for
Gunther retaining his title. You got two points, and these
are all doubled because of the the plee bonus sort
of I'll count as a pili Yeah yeah, gun thro
retin excited, got points for Priest being in the match.
You got points for La Knight he technically won against
Solo by DQ. So you get two points there on
snackdown two points for Balor being in the match. And
those were your points for the week. And you're at
a total of three hundred and seventy nine normal points
with two sixty five bonus points and twenty two jabber
bonus points. Then Travis is at this week. He got
points for re Oh. Yeah, she beat Raquel. That was
a stipulation match, so that's some extra points there. He
got points for her. He got points for Tiffany being
in a match, Live retaining her title, and Solo being
in a match, So he is at four hundred and
ninety six points with two hundred and thirty five bonus
points and ten JAVA points. And then me got points
for Cody retaining his title, Bailey being in a match,
Sammy being in a match, he O being in a match,
and Chelsea Green becoming the inaugural United States Champion. Those
are big points for me and I am at four
hundred thirty seven points with three hundred seventy five bonus
points and thirteen JAVA points. So a Rumble win or
a chamber wind could maybe get me ahead of Travis
with the normal points because ahead because of that money
in the bank, those plus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that the that's a big jump. Uh.
Speaker 2: Rumble's gonna gonna get us a ton of points.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So we've got a couple of events coming up.
We've got another Saturday Nights main event, we have that
n XT show, we have the Raw on Netflix debut.
So between all of these things, we will have some
chance to get some points before the next time we
talked to you all again. I will say with we
will probably most likely be back after the next Saturday
night's main event because that is before the roll rumbles,
so we'll have time to make our roll Rumble predictions
things like that, so we'll have NXT show, we'll have
worlds in and everything else before the Royal Rumbo. Roll
Rumble is the big one. We want to get in
our predictions ahead of that.
Speaker 2: Possible, I would maybe like to do like a mini episode,
maybe just covering that big week with like Dynamite on
Max and the Netflix premiere in NXT New Year's Evil,
if possible, but if not, we'll definitely be back before
the roll.
Speaker 1: I can make that work. So we will get that
exact day and time picked out, check with everyone else's schedule,
make sure we're not overlapping with anything else on the
Geek First network, and come back and do just a
mini quick show. Won't be our normal couple hours bodes.
We'll have time to touch.
Speaker 2: Upbe the events of each show and maybe well, who knows,
if the Rock does come back, we'll be talking about that. Yeah, yeah,
And I think that's it for today.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, and then we'll get prepared of like I said,
or Rumble will be the big one that's on February first.
We'll definitely be back before then. I'm not sure on
mister Snell's availability just yet, but we'll also talk to him,
so he will be giving his roal Rumble prediction, whether
in person or conveying it through us. But uh As,
I appreciate you being the custodian of the draft and
the points, even though I am continuing to get my
ass kicked weekend and weekend.
Speaker 2: Who knows if you get if you get some Rumble
and chamber winners on there, you could be again like
two hundred points and just sweep everyone in the last months.
Speaker 1: That's that's what I'm hoping, and I'm hoping that Gunther
has a long and mighty rain so he he is
my tribal chief at this moment. So I appreciate gun
through and all he's done. But espec's thank you for
joining me tonight. Thank you everyone who's watching and listening.
I said, we will be back. We've got a busy
month and a half of events coming through. It's going
to be a nice fun winter with these streaming changes,
the overall changes, the plis coming up and then leading
into or Rumble, which is the official kickoff of WrestleMania season.
So I hope to talk to you all soon as
well as you got anything you want to say, anything
you want to promote before we go.
Speaker 2: No, not really, just excited for all this stuff coming
up in this next month and just one month pretty
much tons of stuff happening. So yeah, we'll be back soon.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. It's going to be a busy month
for those of you who do follow the rest of
the geek for streams and follow the uh the whole
Keek Universe multi alliance stuff that we've got going on.
So those of you who know that at outside of
the geek Verse stream as itself, there's also the Geek
Gos Alliance and on there there's a Marvel show that
has been hosted by two incredible gentlemen, Chris Balga and
Brent Clark. So Brent is gonna be taking a step back,
so I will be taking over temporary hosting duties on
the Marvel Show over there, So you can join me
right here on the geek First channel On Thursday, nights.
I'll be doing the Marvel thing for a while until
he returns from his brief sabbatical. But that yep, you
can catch us here. We will send out a tweet
or post on X with our next dates coming soon
once we get it locked down so on that we
will see you all later. Have a great Sunday and
we'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 2: Bye.
Speaker 1: Was