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<v Speaker 1>It's a nice size. I'm going crazy. Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to the phones we go. My name is Dan Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>This is night Side one quick funny, I well, one

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<v Speaker 2>quick story. So in the campaign of seventy six, I

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<v Speaker 2>had a great opportunity to interview Jimmy Carter at Logan Airport.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a noon broadcast. I was working a Channel

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<v Speaker 2>four at the time, and of course I spent thirty

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<v Speaker 2>one years there, so it was been there.

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<v Speaker 3>I was there a long.

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<v Speaker 2>Time, and so I again set it up through Jody

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<v Speaker 2>Powell's office. I get a one on one with Jimmy

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<v Speaker 2>Carter at Logan Airport. He had spoken or appeared in Boston,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it was a live shot at noontime top

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<v Speaker 2>of the newscast, and I said, look, I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 2>ask him a bunch of questions. I want to know

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<v Speaker 2>if he's in favor of this opposed to that. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I went through rapid fire, and forget what all

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<v Speaker 2>the topics were, but you know, abortion, slash, to choose

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<v Speaker 2>capital punishment, yes or no, whatever the topics of the

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<v Speaker 2>day were, and I probably went through by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the mistakes I think that Jimmy Carter made

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<v Speaker 2>was giving up giving Panama the Panama Canal to Panamon

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<v Speaker 2>and hopefully that will get rescinded under president under President Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>and was not rescinded under Trump the first time or

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<v Speaker 2>under President Reagan. But I think that was a huge mistake,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that was the time of when America

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of withdrawing from the world, which turned out

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<v Speaker 2>to be mistake. But he answered all the questions. It

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<v Speaker 2>was all yes and no answers. You would favor capital punishment?

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<v Speaker 2>I think he said, yes, Are you in favor of uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, or choice on abortion? I think you're right

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<v Speaker 2>to choose. However, I phrased the questions. I tried to

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<v Speaker 2>fit phase them almost like one two word questions. And

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<v Speaker 2>he was given a yes, no, yes, no, yes, no.

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<v Speaker 2>And we did the interviews about two minutes, and he

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<v Speaker 2>answered all the questions. There was no heart, there was

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<v Speaker 2>no dodging the questions, there was no trying to answer

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<v Speaker 2>the question, well, you know on a certains No, it

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<v Speaker 2>was none of that, he responded. And a good friend

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<v Speaker 2>of mine at the time told me that it was

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<v Speaker 2>at that moment he was watching that interview he decided

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<v Speaker 2>to hope for Jimmy Carter, because he did come across

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<v Speaker 2>as a very different type of candidate for president. You

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<v Speaker 2>asked him a question direct, you got a direct answer.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to the phones. We go going to go to

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<v Speaker 2>Sandy in West Roxbury. Sandy, you were next one night side.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome, Hi Sandy, Hi Dan, how are you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing great. What's your take on Jimmy Carter?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm Jewish, says you know, and I'm in complete

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<v Speaker 4>support of Nicole. Everything she said was right on. As

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<v Speaker 4>we know, the press is not always favorable to the

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<v Speaker 4>twoth Sometimes they are, sometimes they're not. There was a

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<v Speaker 4>really wonderful book. It was something like Nine Days in September,

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<v Speaker 4>or maybe it was nine Days October, but it chronicled

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<v Speaker 4>the peace talks in great detail. It was wonderful. And

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<v Speaker 4>I agree with what you said that he couldn't really

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<v Speaker 4>come right out and say, you know, you were just

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<v Speaker 4>in throw awful and blah blah blah. But definitely he

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<v Speaker 4>really felt that he was real to give up a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of things. And you know, because again as small

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<v Speaker 4>as zerl is, and you often mentioned that they are

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<v Speaker 4>very strong and they're very smart, and if the Arabs

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<v Speaker 4>stopped fighting, so much among themselves. They could overtake the

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<v Speaker 4>due in five seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I understand that. I also there are a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of you know, politicians who look at the Middle

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<v Speaker 2>East and they say that there has to be concessions.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not in that category, as you probably know. Yes

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<v Speaker 3>I do, but I never got a sense.

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<v Speaker 2>And again I'm be looking for to what Noel wants

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<v Speaker 2>to send to me that I think he probably looked

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<v Speaker 2>at it as how do I make a deal here

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<v Speaker 2>which will secure peace? And by the way, peace is

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<v Speaker 2>not always just the absence of war.

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<v Speaker 4>But I hear what you're saying, and I said, I

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<v Speaker 4>do give credence to that. But he I know what

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<v Speaker 4>he said about the Holocaust memorials absolutely true. You know

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<v Speaker 4>that he didn't want so many Jews on the committee

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<v Speaker 4>and most of the Holocaust vivors, which ones are you

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<v Speaker 4>going to leave out?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first of all, that's that if that is true,

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<v Speaker 2>and I haven't seen it, but since you've said it,

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<v Speaker 2>Nicole has said, I think that's an igorant statement.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously totally.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a wonderful website ai s h dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen that, yes, yes, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And it just had a wonderful article called, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the contentious relationship between Carter and the Jews. Now Nixon,

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<v Speaker 4>of course with anti Semiticans from the tapes. Yet he

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<v Speaker 4>was the first one to help God to my ear. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and so you know a lot of times the private

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<v Speaker 4>actions and the personal feelings can conflict. He Thank god,

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<v Speaker 4>Richard Nixon knew that he had to help her, and

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<v Speaker 4>he did, but he did. He was no fan of

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<v Speaker 4>the Jews either. So but everything Nicole said was right on.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, I will look at it. And again, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>actually on that website that you're referring to AI s h.

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<v Speaker 3>What does that stand for? I'm trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 3>what that, you know, uh is.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not one hundred percent sure, but I think it's

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<v Speaker 4>a hebreward that means something like the fire, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>And I could be totally wrong, but I that's what

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<v Speaker 4>I think it is, you know, like inspiration, and you

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<v Speaker 4>know that the Jews have a thing about the fire

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<v Speaker 4>must never go out, referring back to the mccabees and

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<v Speaker 4>the Hanica miracle when they only had enough like enough

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<v Speaker 4>to light the manure for one day and by a miracle,

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<v Speaker 4>it just never went out. And so in the temple.

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<v Speaker 4>There's always either well they don't have faus anymore, it's

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<v Speaker 4>too dangerous, But there's always a red light that no

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<v Speaker 4>matter what, stays on.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye again, I think one of the things I'm looking

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<v Speaker 2>this is from that website. It says aiding Soviet Jews,

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<v Speaker 2>Carter pressured, this is from the website, pressured the Soviet

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<v Speaker 2>Union to allow more Refusenik Jews who wish to leave

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<v Speaker 2>the USSR to emigrate. As a result of his pressure,

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<v Speaker 2>it is possible that an extra twenty five thousand Jews

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<v Speaker 2>when the famed Soviet dissided. Natan Sharansky, who I interviewed

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<v Speaker 2>at the Kennedy Institute for the Senate and who was

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<v Speaker 2>an amazing individual and I really had a wonderful interview

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<v Speaker 2>with him, was arrested in Russia in nineteen seventy seven

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<v Speaker 2>in charge of being an American spy. Shreensky's wife, a Vito,

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<v Speaker 2>begged Carter to repudiate the charges. Carter agreed, publicly stating

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<v Speaker 2>that Sharansky was not an American spy and helping pay

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<v Speaker 3>Nearly a decade later to Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>So, having spent time with and I mentioned last hour

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<v Speaker 2>with Sharansky, I never got any sense from Sharansky that

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<v Speaker 2>he felt that Carter had done anything but help him.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, I'm I'm speaking from some personal experience tonight

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<v Speaker 2>that I've never spoken about before, but I mentioned I

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<v Speaker 2>think you you know I mentioned Sharansky earlier in the

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<v Speaker 2>last hour.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, I heard it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an amazing individual. He happened to be born in

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<v Speaker 2>the same year as I was born, and I remember

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<v Speaker 2>just thinking about what he had gone through in his

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<v Speaker 2>life as opposed to what I had gone through in

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<v Speaker 2>my life, nothing like he had gone through in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of the person.

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<v Speaker 4>So fortunate. I mean, I think of that all the time. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we're out under war. Most of us have

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<v Speaker 4>never experienced the war on our own land, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think all of us have never experienced the war in

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<v Speaker 4>America certainly, well.

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<v Speaker 3>The closest we came was.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Israelis have undergone bombardment for for decades, decades,

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<v Speaker 2>constant bombardment from people who do want to eradicate them.

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<v Speaker 3>As always, Andy, love you calls, Thank you so much,

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Take care, you too. We'll be back in

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<v Speaker 3>a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a little bit of a break here, I

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<v Speaker 2>got Larry Rick, and I got some room for you

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<v Speaker 3>I'm wondering if any.

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<v Speaker 2>Of you else had ever bumped into or met either

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<v Speaker 2>candidate Jimmy Carter Governor Carter he ran in nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 2>and defeated Lester Maddox, who was an avowed racist. Maddox's

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<v Speaker 2>nickname was Lester Pitcandle Maddox. He owned a restaurant I

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<v Speaker 2>believe it was in Atlanta, but in Georgia, in which

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<v Speaker 2>he banned black people from participants from going into his restaurant.

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<v Speaker 2>I certainly if I was black, I wouldn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>give him that guy any money either either. But so

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<v Speaker 2>he spoke out against, you know, segregation at a time

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<v Speaker 2>when it wasn't necessarily popular in the South. So again,

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of integrity. And when you saw

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew Young speaking about him today and he delivered some

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting remarks. We're going to continue along here. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>love to hear from some people who at some point

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<v Speaker 2>had interaction with Jimmy Carter. Now I know I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to tell you my stories about Clinton Massachusetts. When Jimmy

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<v Speaker 2>Carter came to Clinton, Massachusetts early on in his presidency

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<v Speaker 2>March of nineteen seventy seven and spent the night there

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<v Speaker 2>and addressed at Clinton town Hall. Little did he know

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<v Speaker 2>that the next Democratic president who would be elected, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>we'd have that last name of Clinton, Bill Clinton. Back

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<v Speaker 2>on Nightside after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World,

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios on Dubbs News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to the phones we go. Let me go to

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<v Speaker 2>Rick and Bill. Rick or Rick you went next on Nightside,

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<v Speaker 2>right head?

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<v Speaker 3>Rick?

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<v Speaker 6>All right, how are you? Dan?

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<v Speaker 3>I do great appreciate you calling in love to get

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<v Speaker 3>your perspective on President Jimmy Carter one hundred years old.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, I know, I know. I mean as a kid,

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<v Speaker 6>I thought of him as Week because you know, I

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<v Speaker 6>remember him selling the Panama Canal. I remember him not

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<v Speaker 6>being able to get the hostages back, and then Reagan

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<v Speaker 6>came in, and so I always thought of him as

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<v Speaker 6>he was a week president. But the post presidency, obviously

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<v Speaker 6>he did God's work on a regular basis, and that

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<v Speaker 6>impressed me throughout the years, and so I look at

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<v Speaker 6>the guy as as just an amazing example of a

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<v Speaker 6>of a human. So he's the guy you want to

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<v Speaker 6>strive for. So I'm impressed by him, and I hope

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<v Speaker 6>he had an easy death. He was an amazing guy,

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<v Speaker 6>and he lived a long, good life and to everyone's benefit.

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<v Speaker 6>And he was well loved. That's a good sign, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>when you're well loved by the mass.

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<v Speaker 2>He spent two years in hospice, and I remember when

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<v Speaker 2>a little less than two years. Remember, you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>you hear someone has gone into hospice, you think, well,

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<v Speaker 2>the days are numbered.

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<v Speaker 3>His days were, but his month's work, his years were.

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<v Speaker 3>He and again, I remember you're from bill Ricca. You're

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<v Speaker 3>probably not old enough.

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<v Speaker 6>I remember Merlington, but I live in bill Rica.

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<v Speaker 2>Now okay, well, yeah, okay, that's why I saw Bill

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<v Speaker 2>Ricer up on the board here. You're probably not old

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<v Speaker 2>Uh and the president then he was, you know, president

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<v Speaker 2>for about less than two months. March he was there

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<v Speaker 2>in March. Uh and uh, the Secret Service agent. We

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<v Speaker 2>had to, you know, he's the Secret Service agent. Say, look,

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to get off the plane. He's going to

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<v Speaker 2>shake hands with some of the military personnel here and

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<v Speaker 2>their families in Hanscom Field. And you people are supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to stay behind the rope. And we were at that time,

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<v Speaker 2>we were doing a live shot out there, and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and we were in those days. It was called being gemlocked.

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<v Speaker 2>You couldn't move the camera. If you move the camera,

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<v Speaker 3>Uh. And so we had no choice. We were gemlocked. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And so as soon as he got off the plane

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<v Speaker 2>and started down the rope line, a bunch of the

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<v Speaker 2>still photographers and some of the writers, the newspaper writers

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<v Speaker 2>those guys? And I made a comment, which I shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have made. I said, you guys are always looking the

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<v Speaker 2>wrong way. That's why, you know, we've had a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of assassinations. And the guy looked at me like, how

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<v Speaker 2>could you possibly say that? And once I said it,

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<v Speaker 2>I realized it's a little probably was a little harsh.

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<v Speaker 2>So they brought back the guy who was the special

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<v Speaker 2>agent in charge, who was a guy who I knew,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said, Dan.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you say that to the agent? So I said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I said it to him. I said, he's screaming at us,

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<v Speaker 3>stay behind the ropes. We're behind the ropes. The people

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<v Speaker 3>who jumped the ropes are running down. I understand.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, you know, I could take your credentials for that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, look, if you want my credentials, take him.

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<v Speaker 3>So he said, okay, fine, no problem.

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<v Speaker 6>Well those were the days where you yeah, and you

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<v Speaker 6>signal if you moved the camera. But also did think

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<v Speaker 6>it was a gun or something like? Is that part

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<v Speaker 6>of it too?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no no no, We're just we will

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<v Speaker 2>lock down, we will lock down.

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<v Speaker 3>So we had no ability to go beyond the ropes.

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<v Speaker 2>So the kicker to the story was that night Jimmy

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<v Speaker 2>gentleman who had eight children, mister and Missus Thompson. The

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<v Speaker 2>I could tell he was wrapping up, and I said

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<v Speaker 2>set up in his driveway. Five minutes later. Five minutes later,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you, we're set up in Gunner Thompson's driveway, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's nobody there, I mean even, I mean that,

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<v Speaker 2>no one's bothering us. And all of a sudden, up

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<v Speaker 2>comes the presidential limo and President Carter gets out exactly

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<v Speaker 2>where I'm standing and we were live again. So we

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<v Speaker 2>do a live shot with President Carter from Gunner Thompson's

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<v Speaker 2>live from from his his driveway. Standing over Carter's shoulder

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<v Speaker 2>while I'm doing the live shot with Carter is the

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<v Speaker 2>same Secret Service agent who had given me a hard

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<v Speaker 2>time that day. And the guy's looking to me like

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<v Speaker 2>you son of you know who? And uh and so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I thought, that's great. We we out MANEUV

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody. You know, it was a different time. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a different time.

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<v Speaker 6>So Sean, you were smart about it. You got right on.

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<v Speaker 6>I just wanted to thanks for that story. And I

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<v Speaker 6>want to say, because I know my time is limited,

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<v Speaker 6>but what impressed me a lot about Carter in recent

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<v Speaker 6>times as I saw civil action for the first time

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<v Speaker 6>about five years ago, and I said, well, I remember

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<v Speaker 6>that as a kid because I grew up in Burlington.

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<v Speaker 6>I lived in bill Rickon now for a dozen years.

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<v Speaker 3>But I that was ther Grace story in wr G.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and unifors and everything and and and the Tannery

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<v Speaker 6>the Beatrice bat and Tannery dumping from from one hundred

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<v Speaker 6>and fifty years early or whatever. But what impressed me

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<v Speaker 6>was it was their administration that added on the Department

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<v Speaker 6>the Superfund to help Love Canal first in seventy nine,

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<v Speaker 6>the poor people dying from from they went to the

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<v Speaker 2>People didn't realize that, you know that that was outside

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<v Speaker 3>If a got mistake.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and then Woobin was next, and it was Carter's

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<v Speaker 6>administration who started the superfund. I believe it was a

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<v Speaker 6>team of lawyers, federal lawyers to go after people to

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<v Speaker 6>pay clean up and pay the lawsuits. And I remember

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<v Speaker 6>as a kid, so I was delighted to read about

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<v Speaker 6>that in more recent times five years ago or so,

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<v Speaker 6>because I remember as a kid reading in the Daily

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<v Speaker 6>Times the kids from Woven were dying. I was just

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<v Speaker 6>a young kid. I was born in sixty nine and

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<v Speaker 6>I'm hanging out in Burlington having fun, playing street sports.

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<v Speaker 6>And these kids in Wooburn are starting They're getting leukemia

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<v Speaker 6>and they're dying. And it broke my heart. And so

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<v Speaker 6>you probably reported on some of that. I bet I

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<v Speaker 6>did back in the day.

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<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact, there was an author by

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<v Speaker 6>I heard of it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>WR Grace was horrible and universe wasn't helping, and then

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<v Speaker 6>they opened up the bay. He never should have opened

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<v Speaker 6>up the wells, but they did it anyway, and unfortunately

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<v Speaker 6>lots of people died. But Carter's administration was willing to

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<v Speaker 6>take action, and there's been eight hundred of some are

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<v Speaker 6>super fun cases since then. Maybe not as bad as

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<v Speaker 6>Wooburn and Love, but that's a great thing that Carter did.

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<v Speaker 6>Adding on to the EPA, that was really awesome, mom,

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<v Speaker 6>because you can't bring back people who died unfortunate young

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<v Speaker 6>deaths and so on, but you can do something about it.

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<v Speaker 6>You can clean up the environment, and people still pullut to.

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<v Speaker 3>It today anyway, totally, I totally agree with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay with us because I want to tell one more

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<v Speaker 2>story that involves that same Secret Service agent.

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<v Speaker 3>A couple of years later.

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<v Speaker 2>He had a long memory, and I will you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as I'm sure you know, Jimmy Carter spoke at the

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<v Speaker 2>opening of the Kennedy Library in nineteen seventy nine and

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<v Speaker 2>that didn't.

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<v Speaker 6>Know, I don't remember all that stuff, but that you're good.

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<v Speaker 2>Just a few weeks I broadcast I was the anchor

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<v Speaker 2>on that live broadcast that Saturday morning, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>just a few weeks before Ted Kennedy was to announce

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<v Speaker 2>that he was going.

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<v Speaker 3>To challenge Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Nineteen eighty Democratic primary, and his nephew Joseph Kennedy, who

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<v Speaker 2>who was in Congress for a while, ripped Jimmy Carter.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember, you know, sitting there that day saying,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, you know this this young guy. He

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't in Congress yet he eventually was elected and succeeded

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<v Speaker 2>Tip O'Neil in nineteen eighty six. And I was also

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<v Speaker 2>the dad of the younger Joe Kennedy, who was in

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<v Speaker 2>Congress and who ran against that marquee.

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<v Speaker 3>But he just went after Carter.

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<v Speaker 2>That that day, and I thought I felt very badly

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<v Speaker 2>for Carter because Carter had shown the grace to come

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<v Speaker 2>and be there at the opening of President John Kennedy's

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<v Speaker 2>Presidential Library.

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<v Speaker 6>But he took shuck and Joe for oil.

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<v Speaker 3>Guy, the old Yeah, that's exactly.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, well no, yeah, he's he's one of the

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<v Speaker 6>sons of he was, was he Joe's son, now.

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<v Speaker 3>Robert F. Kennedy's oldest son.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, and then and then Bobby Jr. All right,

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<v Speaker 6>all right, that's a great story. Yeah, Jimmy Carter was

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<v Speaker 6>a good guy, you know, I mean, maybe a bit

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<v Speaker 6>weak when it came to dealing with situations other countries

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<v Speaker 6>might not have taken them too seriously. But he did

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<v Speaker 6>kind of walk into a difficult situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we we were on the decline as a country,

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<v Speaker 2>and and that's why he lost the decisions that he made.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that he felt that at this point

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the US needed to kind of withdraw a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit from the world stage. And it didn't work out

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<v Speaker 2>too well with the hostage crisis. Uh as as Ronald

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<v Speaker 2>Reagan once said that countries don't go to war because

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<v Speaker 2>they're too strong. They get into wars because they're too weak,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think is pretty interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, Rick, enjoy very much.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you, Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>Stay with us. I got I got a third story.

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<v Speaker 6>To tell, a.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, good night.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll take a break news at the bottom of the hour.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a few couple more Jimmy Carter streets. But

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<v Speaker 2>I want to hear from you guys, because I want

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<v Speaker 2>to hear your recollections, your memories. He's you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>we basically laid to rest as a nation today. Jimmy

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<v Speaker 2>Carter the thirty ninth president of the United States, and

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<v Speaker 2>those of us who lived while he was president will

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<v Speaker 2>remember him. He may not have been the greatest president,

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<v Speaker 2>but he certainly was the greatest post president. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think he was a man who has tried to do

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<v Speaker 2>the best thing, but the best he could do for

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<v Speaker 2>the country. But I think circumstances conspired against him. Back

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<v Speaker 2>on Nights Side, I've got some open lines here six

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<v Speaker 2>one seven, ten thirty six one seven, nine three. I

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<v Speaker 2>can tell Jimmy Carter stories all night. I don't want to,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've got a couple more I got to share

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<v Speaker 2>with you.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll be back on Nights Side right after.

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<v Speaker 1>This Knights Side with Dan Ray on WOST his news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>So the story that I want to tell dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>the Secret Service agent. Let's fast forward now. Ted Kennedy

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty is running against Jimmy Carter for the

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<v Speaker 2>Democratic nomination. And you remember Ted Kennedy had that memorable

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<v Speaker 2>interview with Roger Mudd on CBS in which Mud simply

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<v Speaker 2>asked him why he wanted to be president, and Ted

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<v Speaker 2>Kennedy kind of tried to mumble his way through an answer,

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<v Speaker 2>which was a horrific start to his effort to win

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<v Speaker 2>the Democratic nomination. So we were a to school done

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<v Speaker 2>in Marion, Massachusett. I thk it's called Taper Academy, and

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<v Speaker 2>we were there for a Ted Kennedy fundraiser, and we

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<v Speaker 2>were once again behind the Secret Service ropeline. And at

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<v Speaker 2>this point, once Ted Kennedy became a candidate for President's

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<v Speaker 2>Secret Service, they tightened up security quite a bit for

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<v Speaker 2>obvious reasons. So we were waiting for Kennedy to he

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<v Speaker 2>was nowhere. He was not due for another half an hour,

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<v Speaker 2>and I wanted to use the men's room and I

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<v Speaker 2>asked one of the Secret Service agents if I could

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<v Speaker 2>go use the restaroom. He said, let me get you

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<v Speaker 2>someone to take you down there. So I was in

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<v Speaker 2>a school I didn't know. Secret Service agent came along.

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<v Speaker 2>We walked down a long card it took a left,

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<v Speaker 2>took a right, took another left in the right or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>And as we get to the men's room, the Secret

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<v Speaker 2>Service agent looks at me and he says, do you

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<v Speaker 2>remember me?

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<v Speaker 3>And I looked at him. I had no clue. I said,

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<v Speaker 3>do I remember you?

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<v Speaker 2>He said, yeah, here were the guy that up a

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<v Speaker 2>hands compelled in nineteen.

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<v Speaker 7>Seventy seventy since every time I come to Boston. I

447
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<v Speaker 7>turned on the TV and I see your face. I said, whoa, whoa, whoa,

448
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<v Speaker 7>I'm thinking of for so I'm now alone with this guy.

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<v Speaker 7>The guy has a gun. Of course, it was just crazy,

450
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<v Speaker 7>but he was really still up. He was still upset.

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<v Speaker 7>I said, now, wait a second, hold on here. And

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<v Speaker 7>that was a couple of years ago at least, so

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<v Speaker 7>you know, I was able to use the facility and

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<v Speaker 7>escorted me back and the shim since so ess goes

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<v Speaker 7>to show you when you when you get into a

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<v Speaker 7>disagreement with a secret service agent, they have long memories,

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<v Speaker 7>or at least this one did. Let's get back to

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<v Speaker 7>the call. It's going to go to Larry in Reading, Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 7>Hey Larry, welcome next on nightsat How are.

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<v Speaker 5>You pretty good? Happy New Years? You're back on the radio.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've been back since January first. My friend I

462
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<v Speaker 2>was here.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, all right, yeah, no it took.

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<v Speaker 5>When you take a few days, you take a week off,

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<v Speaker 5>it seems like a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, I got a couple of days off next week,

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<v Speaker 2>so please don't hope it against me.

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<v Speaker 3>But uh, you know what a few breaks into the year.

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<v Speaker 2>So Larry your your recollection, your story about Jimmy Carter,

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I mean he did, he did a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>good stuff, but he wasn't always the best on everything.

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<v Speaker 5>And I thought he didn't win a Nobel Prize for

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<v Speaker 5>having a peace treaty between the Israel and Egypt.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's a big peace treaty because I think that

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<v Speaker 2>of all the Arab countries in the Middle East, the

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<v Speaker 2>one that militarily represented the greatest threat. Although Israel has

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<v Speaker 2>stood up to the Arab countries on four occasions.

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<v Speaker 3>Now and and and succeeded.

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<v Speaker 2>And they they now have done great work in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of disabling Hamas and Hezbollah and uh, you know the

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<v Speaker 2>leadership of those organizations. But that's it was a very

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<v Speaker 2>important peace treaty.

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<v Speaker 5>And I knew, I knew one of the marines that

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<v Speaker 5>was on the rescue mission that was aborted.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there were. It was it was funny. I just

487
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<v Speaker 2>re reading about that, and it was funny. Someone mentioned,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was Noel mentioned that Shimon Perez was

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<v Speaker 2>not happy with Jimmy Carter. And at this site Ai

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<v Speaker 2>sh Ash, which apparently is a Hebrew word.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm familiar with what it means.

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<v Speaker 2>It talks about how that the day that these those

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<v Speaker 2>helicopters went on that rescue mission in April of nineteen eighty,

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<v Speaker 2>Shimon Perez was at the White House and apparently at

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<v Speaker 2>some point, according to Perez, he said that Carter asked

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<v Speaker 2>his advisors and other members of the delegation to stay

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<v Speaker 2>outside and I should me, meaning Perez, into the Oval office.

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<v Speaker 2>Now pres at that time was a former Prime minister

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<v Speaker 2>in Israel and been a military hero. According to Perez,

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<v Speaker 2>wrote that he asked him Perez two questions, what I

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<v Speaker 2>would do in his position regarding the American embassy hostages,

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<v Speaker 2>and what were iterations would have made that Israel make

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<v Speaker 2>regarding in Teby, remember the raid, and in Tebbi when

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<v Speaker 2>Edie Amine had taken had taken held hostage an l jetliner.

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<v Speaker 2>Perus that I told him that if there was any

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<v Speaker 2>realistic possibility of a military option, I would take it.

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<v Speaker 2>As for in Tebbi, our greatest problem, I said, was

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<v Speaker 2>the scarcity of information. But in the end we told

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<v Speaker 2>ourselves that every military operation involves a gamble, and we

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<v Speaker 2>decided to risk it. Carter said that my words had

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<v Speaker 2>helped him. I did not know then that the helicopters

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<v Speaker 2>were already on their way to the ill fated situation.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that there were eight helicopters. One of them

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<v Speaker 2>crashed in the desert, and I guess three hostages. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess eight US military personnel died in that raid

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<v Speaker 2>in April of nineteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, the one good thing that came out of it

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<v Speaker 5>was that the military started doing maintenance.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there was a I think it was a dust

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<v Speaker 2>storm that took them down, if I'm not mistaken.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I'm not sure about that, could be the weather.

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<v Speaker 2>But well, they were going on. What you think about

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<v Speaker 2>everybody they were trying to rescue. They were trying to

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<v Speaker 2>rescue fifty embassy members. Okay, that's how many hostages were there.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember when the hostage were finally released in January

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<v Speaker 2>of nineteen eighty one, actually the day that that Carter

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<v Speaker 2>left the White House and President Reagan took the oath

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<v Speaker 2>of office.

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<v Speaker 3>I ended up on my way to the spot and spent.

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<v Speaker 2>A week in Wiesbaden trying to interview the American hostages,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was successful and interviewing a couple of the

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<v Speaker 2>American hostages. And I remember when we came home a

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<v Speaker 2>week later. We were on the tarmac at Frankfurt taking

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<v Speaker 2>off back to Boston and the plane in front of

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<v Speaker 2>it was in front of us, was the the US

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<v Speaker 2>flight that was bringing the hostages back to walk They

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<v Speaker 2>were actually going to a military facility in New York

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<v Speaker 2>near near West Point. And then of course they went

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<v Speaker 2>on and they had that big parade in Washington, and

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<v Speaker 2>you might remember it, but the yellow the tire, Yellow

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<v Speaker 2>Ribbon was the big song at the time, and that

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<v Speaker 2>was the theme song for the American hostages. But as

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<v Speaker 2>we watched them take off and we were taking off next,

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<v Speaker 2>I felt a great deal of pride that those hostages

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<v Speaker 2>had survived that ordeal.

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<v Speaker 5>And the other well, the other thing I remember is

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<v Speaker 5>people talking about buying houses, getting mortgages and the well,

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<v Speaker 5>it's the I know, the bank industrates were real high

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<v Speaker 5>and the CD rates. I didn't have any money then,

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<v Speaker 5>but the CD rates were the certificate of deposit rates

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<v Speaker 5>were about eighteen percent.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, sir.

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<v Speaker 5>And the mortgage and people think the mortgage rates are, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>they're terrific because they're under ten percent. Well, the mortgage

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<v Speaker 5>rates back then were twenty three percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, because obviously the mortgage rates always have to

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<v Speaker 2>be higher than the interest rates that the bank are lending.

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<v Speaker 3>That has to stay in relation.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was one of the issues that I think

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<v Speaker 2>economic issues that cost Carter his presidency in nineteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 3>Much more than anything.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we talk about this election where they say, well,

563
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<v Speaker 2>what was more important the economy or the immigration issues.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they both were important. But I think a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people we vote with our pocketbooks and with

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<v Speaker 2>their wallets, and in nineteen eighty people didn't even realize

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<v Speaker 2>that you had intra high interest rates, inflation. And remember

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<v Speaker 2>even even Gerald Ford before Carter, he had some inflation.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember they had these buttons whip inflation.

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<v Speaker 5>Now the win win.

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<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>But but that continued through Carter, and of course a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of that was Opek was messing around with the

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<v Speaker 2>oil prices. You must remember gasoline gas lines. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So that was that that was the whole time that

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<v Speaker 2>the president Carter was in office, and it was not

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<v Speaker 2>a good time for the country, you know, from an

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<v Speaker 2>economic point of view, and it cost him in the

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<v Speaker 2>in his in his election, in his running against Ronald

580
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<v Speaker 2>again in Ronald Red and had very two very successful

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<v Speaker 2>four year terms, and at the end of it, the

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<v Speaker 2>Soviet Union had fallen apart, and we had we were

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<v Speaker 2>we were the big dog on the world, on the

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<v Speaker 2>world stage. Larry, I appreciate you call. Good good, good conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Talk to you soon. We got a break. We come back.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to talk about interviewing Jimmy Carter after he

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<v Speaker 2>was president. I remembered interviewing, not interviewing him, but asking

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<v Speaker 2>him there had been a huge snowstorm in New England.

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<v Speaker 2>This would have been I think early on in his presidency,

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<v Speaker 2>and I remember it was a national news conference he

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<v Speaker 2>held out of Rhode Island. I think it was in

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<v Speaker 2>the wake of the Blizzard of seventy eight as a

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<v Speaker 2>matter of fact, and Rhode Island and Massachusetts had really

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<v Speaker 2>been hit by the blizzard. And I had the first

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<v Speaker 2>question in the news conference with then President Carter about

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<v Speaker 2>what you know, what aid could could be brought to

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<v Speaker 2>New England back back in the day, and say, but

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<v Speaker 2>to identify youself, Dannry w BZ Boston Westinghouse Broadcasting, And

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<v Speaker 2>I remember that the news director at the time was

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<v Speaker 2>quite proud of the fact that I had gotten in

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<v Speaker 2>not only the call letter is w BZ, but also

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<v Speaker 2>the ownership Westinghouse Broadcasting.

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<v Speaker 3>Back at night'side, I got wide open lines.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have a Jimmy Carter memory or Jimmy Carter's story,

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to hear from you. I have one

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<v Speaker 2>more story that I want to tell about my visit

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<v Speaker 2>to Plaines, Georgia in nineteen eighty six with then former

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<v Speaker 2>President Carter. And he was a complete gentleman. Six one seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be back right after this on night Side.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>light Side Studios on de w b Z the news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to play one cut from President Biden today.

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<v Speaker 2>He talked about his last visit with Jimmy Carter in Georgia,

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<v Speaker 2>in Plains, Georgia. This is cut number twenty seven, please Rob.

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<v Speaker 8>In April twenty twenty one, Chill and I visited Jimmy

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<v Speaker 8>and Roseline on a warm spring day down on Plans, Georgia.

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to see.

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<v Speaker 8>Them Roselane medics front door with their signature smile together

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<v Speaker 8>rendered a home that they had shared for almost seventy

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<v Speaker 8>seven years of marriage. None assuming redbrig Ranch home reflects

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<v Speaker 8>their modesty more than any trappings of power. He walked

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<v Speaker 8>into the living room, where Jimmy greeted us like family.

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<v Speaker 8>That day, just the four of us sat in the

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<v Speaker 8>living room and shared memories that spanned almost six decades.

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<v Speaker 2>So I do have an opportunity to visit Plaines Georgia,

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Carter and Plains Georgia, and I've told a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of this story before, but I'd like to finish

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<v Speaker 2>with it tonight. In nineteen eighty six, when Tip O'Neil

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<v Speaker 2>was finishing his ten year term as Speaker of the

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<v Speaker 2>House of Representatives, I had written an article for The

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<v Speaker 2>Washington Post about his tenure as Speaker and had done

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<v Speaker 2>some stories and was in the process of putting together

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<v Speaker 2>a documentary which was entitled A Man of the House,

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<v Speaker 2>which played it was a special on WBZ in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty six, and in order to do that had great

639
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:27.039
<v Speaker 2>access to then Speaker O'Neill and interviewed him for the documentary,

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<v Speaker 2>and he also was kind enough to set us up

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<v Speaker 2>for interviews with President, former President Ford and former President Carter,

642
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:41.199
<v Speaker 2>who he has had good relationships with good friendships with

643
00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:46.599
<v Speaker 2>and I interviewed President Ford in Washington. There's a house

644
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:49.360
<v Speaker 2>across the street from the White House where former presidents stay.

645
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:51.920
<v Speaker 2>I think it's called the Blair House, if I'm not mistaken.

646
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<v Speaker 2>I interviewed President Ford there to interview Jimmy Carter. We

647
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<v Speaker 2>went to Plains, Georgia, and I'd have to look at

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<v Speaker 2>a map, but we obviously flew in and out of Atlanta,

649
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<v Speaker 2>and we stayed the night before. I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>in Athens, Georgia. I'd have to go back and double

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<v Speaker 2>check that. But I remember the next day driving to

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<v Speaker 2>planes and whether we were going north or south. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we were going north, but I could be wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember at one point looking out the car window,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm a new Englander. I've never spent too much

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<v Speaker 2>time in Georgia, but I was there that day. We

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<v Speaker 2>had a couple of camera guys with us and a producer,

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<v Speaker 2>and one of the camera guys actually was from New Orleans,

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<v Speaker 2>although he was working for Channel four at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>He had a fairly heavy Southern accent. His name was Glenn,

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<v Speaker 2>and as we were driving along, I noticed these rows

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<v Speaker 2>and rows of trees, and I wasn't sure what type

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<v Speaker 2>of trees they were, if they were apple.

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<v Speaker 3>Trees or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>And I asked Glenn, I said, Glenn, here from these

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<v Speaker 2>what what type of trees are those? Those groves of

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<v Speaker 2>trees there?

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<v Speaker 3>And Glenn kind of was surprised. I didn't know. And

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<v Speaker 3>he looked at me and he said, those are pecan trees.

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<v Speaker 3>He says.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody knows pecan trees. I said, Glenn, I really didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know pecans grew on trees.

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<v Speaker 3>But he's so.

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<v Speaker 2>Glenn said to me, well, let me ask you a question.

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<v Speaker 2>And again I'm kind of giving you a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of his Southern accent. I don't want to make too

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<v Speaker 2>much of it, but I said, what's that? He says,

678
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<v Speaker 2>how do peanuts grow?

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00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:34.639
<v Speaker 3>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>I assumed that everybody knew peanuts grew on a vine

681
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<v Speaker 2>underground question. Jimmy Carter, who were going to see that day,

682
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<v Speaker 2>was a peanut farmer.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't answer the question. I said, Glenn, I don't know.

685
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<v Speaker 2>I said, I'm just a dumb Northerner. I didn't know

686
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<v Speaker 2>what pecan trees. I don't know about peanuts. And conversation

687
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<v Speaker 2>turned to, you know what we're going to ask Carter

688
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<v Speaker 2>about et cetera. So we got there and again and

689
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<v Speaker 2>Carter just had like one secret service agent, and we

690
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:09.239
<v Speaker 2>sat down did a long interview, you know, primarily focused

691
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<v Speaker 2>on his relationship with Tip O'Neil, and I remember we

692
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.760
<v Speaker 2>joked and we kidded about how that Tip O'Neil didn't

693
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<v Speaker 2>know what grits were and didn't particularly like grits, and

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<v Speaker 2>I said, well, I'll remind him that he should have

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<v Speaker 2>some grits, and you know, all of that. And so

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<v Speaker 2>we we finished our interview, and we had walked around

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<v Speaker 2>taken some pictures of us walking small little town. I

698
00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:36.800
<v Speaker 2>mean literally, it's like almost a bus stop town. So

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<v Speaker 2>when we had finished up, we went back and did

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more of an interview and President Carter

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00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:47.039
<v Speaker 2>said to me, he says, I really don't have much

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<v Speaker 2>on the schedule for the rest of the day. Is

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<v Speaker 2>there anything else you'd like to see and go in

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<v Speaker 2>the town? You'll probably never be back in planes again.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, no, mister President, You've been very generous

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<v Speaker 2>with your time. Thank you so much. We really appreciate.

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<v Speaker 2>We actually were interviewing at one of the homes which

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<v Speaker 2>was owned by his mother, Lillian Carter. So I said,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for your courtesy and your hospitality.

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<v Speaker 2>And I understood what Joe Biden was referencing today in

711
00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:19.760
<v Speaker 2>the eulogy. He really made you feel at home. And

712
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:24.760
<v Speaker 2>he said he said, well, he says, if we're done,

713
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:27.079
<v Speaker 2>then then thank you so much and give my best

714
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<v Speaker 2>a tip. And we said, we certainly will. And just

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<v Speaker 2>as he's leaving. Now the protocol when you're viewing someone

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<v Speaker 2>at his stature, certainly a president of the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>And this is not to denigrate the camera crew, but

718
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<v Speaker 2>their job is to shoot the interview. My job is

719
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<v Speaker 2>to interact with the reporter's job is to interact with.

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<v Speaker 3>The subject and interview the subject. So would you know.

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<v Speaker 2>It that as they're about to leave with shaking hands,

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<v Speaker 2>we've taken some pictures and Glenn, all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>out of nowhere, has never opened said a to Jimmy Carter.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, but the President, Carter, can I ask you

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<v Speaker 2>a question? How did peanuts grow? And I thought to myself,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, Jimmy Carter is going to think this

727
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<v Speaker 2>is a Northern TV camera guy, photographer, and he's going

728
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<v Speaker 2>to think that he's making fun of him, and I

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<v Speaker 2>jumped in and said, mister President, I said, Glenn is

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<v Speaker 2>from New Orleans. He works with us in Boston. He's

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<v Speaker 2>a Boston WBC camera guy, but he works. He grew

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<v Speaker 2>up in New Orleans, and he does not know how

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<v Speaker 2>peanuts grow. Jimmy Carter took about ten or fifteen minutes

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<v Speaker 2>and just very clearly and very plainly explained patiently to

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<v Speaker 2>Glenn how peanuts grew, and of course as a peanut farmer,

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<v Speaker 2>which is how he made his living before he became

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<v Speaker 2>a politician, a state senator and then the governor of Georgia.

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<v Speaker 2>He explained everything as patiently as you possibly could, and

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<v Speaker 2>I breathed a big sigh of relief that Jimmy Carter

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<v Speaker 2>realized that Glenn's question was genuine and it wasn't presented

741
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<v Speaker 2>to him in a phony Southern accent. And that was

742
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<v Speaker 2>my last meeting we actually no. I bumped into Jimmy Carter.

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<v Speaker 2>He was at WBZ at some time, you think in

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<v Speaker 2>the later eighties or the early nineties, and he just

745
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:32.400
<v Speaker 2>was on a book tour and again I met him,

746
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:34.880
<v Speaker 2>and he meet so many people. I said, you may

747
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<v Speaker 2>not I remember you. You interviewed me in playing at

748
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:40.719
<v Speaker 2>home on tip O'Neil, and he autographed a couple of

749
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:43.480
<v Speaker 2>baseballs for me, and so those are in a safe

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<v Speaker 2>deposit box and they'll be passed on to my children.

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<v Speaker 3>So anyway, rest in peace, mister president.

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<v Speaker 2>You were You might not have been the greatest president,

753
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:57.519
<v Speaker 2>but you were a very decent man, a very successful

754
00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:02.039
<v Speaker 2>post presidency. You represented yourself and your family very well.

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<v Speaker 2>And tonight those comments that were alluded to, I'll have

756
00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:09.639
<v Speaker 2>to learn more about them. Noel is a true and

757
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:12.960
<v Speaker 2>accurate and good chronic lure of history.

758
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<v Speaker 3>So I'm done for the night.

759
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<v Speaker 2>I'm about to jump on Facebook Nights Out with Dan

760
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:19.519
<v Speaker 2>Ray where I will be and we will give you

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<v Speaker 2>a recap of tonight back tomorrow night. I will end

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<v Speaker 2>as always, Tomorrow's Friday. You have a great Friday. Everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>All dogs, all cats, all pets go to heaven. That's

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<v Speaker 2>where my pal Charlie Ray is, who passed fifty years

765
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:33.400
<v Speaker 2>ago in February. That's why your pets are who have passed.

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<v Speaker 2>They loved you and you love them, and I do

767
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<v Speaker 2>believe you'll see them again. Hope see again tomorrow night,

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<v Speaker 2>Rob Brooks, Thanks very much, tonight. Thanks to all the callers,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks to all the listeners, and thanks to Marito as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a great Friday everyone, stay warm,