Speaker 1: Made de san jam.
Speaker 2: A feaste sunny sumad on I hadasione.
Speaker 3: Night, so rat Hey everybody, Uh well, it's a special
Memorial Day episode of for Crying Out Loud, And it's
also we have an announcement to make and we also
have a guest in studio and a lot going on
right to death.
Speaker 1: So much going on, it's crazy. It's Memorial Day for us. Yeah,
you guys are gonna be hungover from your insane memorials.
Speaker 3: From all your barbecue, all your cold slat potato salads.
Speaker 1: All the things I don't like. This is one of
those holidays that really brings a lot of foods I
don't enjoy. Yeah, as you know, I do not like
a potato salad. I do not like a macaroni salad.
I do now. I like mayo on his own, yeah,
not just out of a jar on a sandwich, on
a sandwich. But I do not like mayo mixed into
a biasta or potatoes. Oh thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not really a big fan of all that either.
I do like barbecue. I like barbecue ribs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, same chicken.
Speaker 4: I like a good barbecue chicken. Corn on the cob,
love corn on the cob.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but I'm not gonna like specifically go to
a barbecue restaurant. I like going to a barbecue at
someone's house. Yes, I don't want to go to a
barbecue restaurant.
Speaker 4: No. I.
Speaker 3: And also I feel that way about hamburgers. I don't
like hamburgers at restaurants. I don't like in and out.
I'm not a big fan, but I will eat a
good cheeseburger at somebody's in somebody's backyard.
Speaker 1: Like there's something about the backyard that makes it taste different. Yeah,
it HiT's different. Yes, we're here with my husband John.
Speaker 4: Hell from Joran Duran.
Speaker 5: There you go.
Speaker 1: Hello, we weren't ignoring you.
Speaker 6: I'm pay I'm not a big summer holiday fan, so
just leave me out.
Speaker 5: Really, I hide under the bed for the Big three.
Speaker 1: Now, you know we John and I have used Penelope
since so we've had her for nine years. And I
really think that after maybe even the first July fourth,
we were like, oh yeah, we're out for July fourth
because because we got to make sure our dogsy.
Speaker 4: Old dog's afraid of firework tricks.
Speaker 5: Yes, now she's deaf, is a post but we don't
let anybody.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, oh.
Speaker 6: She I mean she had no problem last fourth of
July because she could not hear anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she normally doesn't really care that much about fireworks.
Speaker 5: And I used to she used to go nuts. Really, yeah,
she used to.
Speaker 6: She dug into the twins closet back when it was
l Bee's room. She went digging into Lbie's closet when
she was younger because she was terrified.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it be yeah, Palin, how do you feel
about potato salad? I can't remember.
Speaker 2: I love potato salad. I love potato salad, macaroni salad,
egg salad, all the salads that aren't salads, tuna salad.
I make tuna salad at least once a week.
Speaker 4: Well, I like tuna salad.
Speaker 1: I like tuna.
Speaker 2: You're talking, don't put mayo and things that weren't.
Speaker 1: But I like tuna with mayo and lemon juice and
salt and pepper. Don't add shit to it though, as
we've discussed, don't add relish, don't add celery, none of that.
Speaker 2: You know what's great is if you get the little
corner shoons, the little mini pickles. I cut those up
and I put that in there.
Speaker 1: Too, absolutely.
Speaker 3: I like relish in mine and my tuna salad or
Serrano's peppers. Those are good with cilantro and lemon and lime.
Speaker 1: Fresh squeeze about the salad doesn't sound bad. I like
eggs salad, but it needs to be really just like
egg and mayo. Yeah, and salt and pepper and that's it. Yeah,
don't mess it up, John, or you know what, I
wouldn't mind not to bring up a source subject, but
I wouldn't mind deviled eggs if it was just a
mustard in there, but just a little mustard. You know.
Speaker 2: You know my trick to deviled eggs and I do
it with my egg salad too. Is I put in
powdered mustard. Oh yeah, powdered mustard. But you gotta use
just a little bit because it's very strong. So if
you use powder mustard instead, it's really good.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna try it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, don't go crazy with the powder mustard. It'll
fuck up the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, interesting interesting John feelings. Uh.
Speaker 6: I I mean I'm a kill joy because you know,
I've had high cholesterol just naturally occurring.
Speaker 5: I can't eat eggs.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah that.
Speaker 6: I can eat egg whites, and you know, I can
start to bitch right now because Trader Joe's used to
have an eggless egg salad that I used to These
were all over and they cut my They just they
did me dirty.
Speaker 5: They canceled it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: They used to have a regular one and a spicy one.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I had no cholesterol. It was all protein. It was
like the superfood, right. So because I liked it so much,
Trader joe said to fuck me, Yeah, I miss that.
Speaker 5: I'm bitter.
Speaker 1: Trader Joe's has a way of just stop discontinuing things
that I love. I used to be obsessed with this
clam sauce and try sending John to the grocery store
to find the clam sauce. And it was so good,
and I was obsessed with it for a couple of
years and then one day, no more gone, and I
was like what happened? And they were they said, oh,
it's on order. Then I come in like again and again,
and then finally they're like, yeah, it's discontinued.
Speaker 5: It became too popular.
Speaker 6: Exactly same thing with the egg I mean we used
to get six seven of those spicy and regular, and
I just go what it's lunch. It's again, it's like
it's protein, it's got no cholesterol, it's like guilt free,
taste good.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 5: So it had to go. That's why we can't have
nice things.
Speaker 3: Speaking about having to go, tell her, well, we have
sad news.
Speaker 1: It's not sick.
Speaker 3: It's not sad because we're gonna We're still gonna see him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's our Kaylan. It's his last week. I'm ripping
the band aid off. Kaylan is going to be with
us for Tuesday and Friday and probably maybe occasionally will
force him to come in. But I basically know how
to you guys know, I have like ten other podcasts,
so I have learned over the years to do the editing.
And Kaylan is working on like five other podcasts.
Speaker 2: I have a lot of other podcasts that I'm doing,
but really the big one is my dad's podcast, Just
for One about It's like, I love it, I love
doing it, and I really like I believe in it.
I really think that we have something. I posted a
video last week that has seventy thousand views on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I'm like, I know that there's something here.
I know we have something, But I just don't have
the time to do everything that goes into a podcast.
We were talking about it a few weeks ago, and
we could get into it more. But the amount of
work you need to do for a podcast these days
is incredible, and I would really I need more time
to work on this podcast and to grow it. And
so yeah, my Monday mornings will be spent editing social
clips and thumbnails instead of doing for crying out loud,
but that's yeah. I have other podcasts that I do,
you know, to make money or whatever, but this I
really want to put more focus and time and attention
into my dad's podcast, especially since we're hopefully going to
be going to two episodes a week pretty soon once
we can get guests and studio, then we're going to
be doing two episodes a week instead of just the one.
I'm already behind on making social clips on the one
videos I'm doing a week. So yeah, I really want
to put every everything I have into this podcast and
grow it and make it make it him check the podcast.
What's that?
Speaker 5: What's the name of that podcast?
Speaker 2: Just falling about with Michael.
Speaker 1: Bean And that comes from a movie that he was.
Speaker 2: In, Tombstone. That's his line in Tombstone when he's gonna
duel Val Kilmer. Uh, Val Kilmer says something along the
lines of play for blood, remember, and my dad goes,
I was just falling about. And so when I rewatched
that clip, I was like, Okay, that's the name of
our podcast right there. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: It's such a cool night name for a podcast.
Speaker 2: It is, And it's good to have a podcast with
a unique name because if you know, if you, if
we people always say, oh, just falling around, and I go, no,
it's not just falling around. But there was already like
five other podcasts called just falling around anywhere. Like, when
you come up with a new podcast, you want something
that's unique enough to where you can get the handles
on social media, you can get the YouTube channel name.
I looked up just falling about. That wasn't a thing.
Nobody had that, and so I was like, Okay, I
got that. It's a unique name. But everyone is called
just fallen around, which is like, okay, I understand, but
again that's not what it's called.
Speaker 1: Yeah, years ago, when Cecily and I, my other partner
for Rose Pricks and bord af were considering doing a
podcast together, before we started, we wanted to do one
about because she does a lot of online dating, and
I thought I was super smart because I'd come up
with the idea of calling it okay stupid. And oh
my god, so many podcasts called okay stupid and that
was even back then. Yeah, I looked it up and
I was like, I mean, none of them were doing anything.
Speaker 4: Is that okay stupid?
Speaker 1: It's cute title, right, except for a lot of people
had also thought of it. You know what's really interesting
that I was reading the other night is that do
you know that most podcasts I think make it to
three episodes before they quit after three episodes? Yeah, and
you're in the top like fifty percent if you make
it to like I forgot, how like it's a really
low one.
Speaker 2: I've heard eight, I've heard eight. There was like, and
I think there's like Reddit forms about it's like the
eight episode hump, like you need to get over eight
episodes and if you do that, then like, okay, maybe
you'll keep doing it. But yeah, I've heard three, I've
heard eight. Those seem to be the numbers where people
start dropping off.
Speaker 6: Well, it's the same on YouTube, as you know, I
mean six percent of YouTube channels get monetized.
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't. I didn't know that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, once you get once.
Speaker 6: I mean people don't know this, but if you start
a YouTube site, you can't make money until you have
I think they've taken it down, but it used to
be one thousand, a thousand subscribers subscribers and four thousand
watched hours. Yeah, and only six percent of YouTube channels
get to that, which is you know, it's hard to
do because this the beginning is very hard.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and like you know, even with our channel,
like I've had a couple videos now get a lot
of views. I have one video that has almost four
hundred thousand views. This one I just posted last week
has seventy thousand. I posted one like right after Valcilmer
died where were talking about Tombstone that has like one
hundred and twenty thousand views on it. But the subscribers,
it's still like it doesn't translate as fast as I
thought it would, Like, you know, we're we just hit
fifteen thousand subscribers, but I thought, like, oh, I'm getting
hundreds of thousands of views on these clips. I thought
the subscribers would pick up a lot faster than they all.
But it's yeah, I can put these clips up that
get over one hundred thousand views, but still the subscribers
they just kind of trickle in still.
Speaker 1: So I feel like, if you're gonna start a podcast,
you have to really love you have to love your topic.
You know. For me doing Drunkish, I thought a lot
about doing it before I started doing it. I mean
it took me like a year from the time that
I was like, should I do a podcast about like
sobriety to actually doing it, because I was like, it's
going to be a lot of work. It's going to
be every week, it's going to be and John does
a lot of cuts, all my clips, cuts does all
my promo, but even just interviewing people, finding people, you
get like a ton of emails from people that want
to be on it, and and then editing.
Speaker 2: It and yeah, it's like, well, first I promoting, I
start a lot of new podcasts with people I work with.
So if the audience remembers Laura Cathcart Robbins, your friend who.
Speaker 1: Wrote Sash, Yeah, who I just interviewed for Drunkard, Oh good, yeah,
she's she's not this week. This week is Emily Lynn Paulson,
who isn't a big was a MLM defector. She wrote
the book Heyhun, and she has an incredible sobriety story.
She's out today when you're listening to this, and part
two is out on Wednesday, but Laura is the next week, right.
Speaker 2: So Laura came in here and then she was doing
a podcast with her husband Scott on one in the room.
And then you kind of put us together and said, oh, hey,
they need They're paying too much money for all this stuff.
They need like just one person to simplify it. Also,
I started working for them. I started doing their podcast
and they were doing it for I think we were
working on it for about a year or two and
then they stop doing that. Laura, I think it was busy.
She's writing a book. But now I work with Scott,
her husband, and me and Scott are starting this company
called our six' three Pod, media and so we do
a lot of new. Podcasts our thing is, like, hey
if you want a, podcast you can come to. Us
we'll start it for, you or we'll take over your,
production like your production's too, messy will take it. Over
so we're doing. That So i'm starting a lot of
podcasts these, days and SO i tell people before they do, it,
like you need to really like doing. This if you're
in this to like make, money don't do, It like
you need to really enjoy doing. It you need to
like doing, it because you're gonna like run up against
a wall and you're gonna, like if you don't go
in and love doing, it then you're you're not gonna.
Work and like sometimes you know with like it works
this way, too where you don't have to be super
excited every time you're going to do a. Podcast WHEN
i Do The Water cooler with all all the Boys,
Chris loxamana And dawson And gary And, matt there's a
lot of days WHERE i go in THERE i go, oh,
fuck LIKE i DON'T i don't want to do this
podcast right. Now BUT i always leave the podcast happy
and like we just had. Fun we just hung, out,
Right so like you don't always need to have that
mindset of, like, OH i love going in and recording.
It but at least when you're done doing, it if
you have the thought, like, oh that was, fun that was,
fun this is this is WHY i do, it then
you're still on the right. Track but if you're like
dreading doing the, podcast dreading recording, it not happy after it's,
over then like maybe maybe it's not for.
Speaker 1: You, yeah which apparently a lot of people discover after
literally three episodes their, podcasts they're, like, huh why DID
i decide to do this? AGAIN i don't feel like,
It So i'm not going to or the people that
decide they're going to do a podcast put out an.
Episode i've seen this so many times Because i've researched
sobriety Podcasts i've. SEEN i can't tell you how many
of scene where it's like one episode or they do
a trailer and then one episode and then it's never.
Speaker 2: Again well a lot of people, too they don't realize
how much work goes into a, podcast so they still
think of podcasting like you, know ten years ago when
like you, know All billbird did was sit in his
living room with a recorder and a microphone and he
recorded and you just put it on YouTube and like
or he put it. Wherever but it's not that way,
anymore like to do a podcast from getting the, gear recording,
it editing, it posting, it social media, clips thumbnails, algorithms,
YouTube like all of this stuff takes a long long,
time and if you really want to do a podcast
and be, successful you need to do all these. Things
AND i take a more distant and be. Consistent you
need to be putting out an episode every. Week and
if you're a guest based, podcast that means you're needing
to get guests every, week which is what we were
doing with just falling about until like we couldn't get guests,
anymore and then we, went, okay well we don't have
guess how about it's just me and my dad Has
he's been In hollywood fifty, Years he's worked with. Everybody
he has so many. Stories it's, like, well why don't
we just hang out the three of. Us we'll talk
movies and you tell stories about like working With James
cameron And Quentin. Tarantino and the audience liked those episodes
more than the, interviews WHICH i was very surprised. By
so if you're a show that has, guests like if
we had trouble booking, guests like it's not, Easy like
it's gonna be, tough, Right so we pivoted and we
did this other, Thing but the audience likes it way
more so now it's, Like, okay we can do this every.
Week we don't need to worry about getting guests. Anymore
but we still want. Them so when we do get,
them we're gonna go two episodes that. Week you're just
gonna get an extra, episode.
Speaker 3: Right we learned a long time, Ago stephanie AND i
about you, know we were trying to get guests early
on or, whatever but we we learned that people weren't
tuning into your our. Guests they're tuning into hearing us
talk about our lives and being, honest you, know and
being vulnerable and all that. Stuff and that's what people really.
Like and you can be you could Be Michael bean
or you could be. NOBODY'S i think people would rather
have a connection to the hosts of the show and
feel like they have something in common with that.
Speaker 2: Person they really podcast audiences they like they're kind of
like your friends. Almost they want to just kind of
hang out and be your. Friend and you, know it's
just them at home with their their you, know earbuds
in listening to, you so it's it's a much more personal.
Thing AND i tell that to a lot of the
PODCASTS i start. TOO i, go, okay you're an interview,
show and that's. Fine you want to interview, people that's,
Fine but just so you, know like a podcast audience
there it's like a little, community and they want to
they want it more. Personal they want to feel like
they're like kind of sitting in on your, life especially
if you're being open and honest and, free like you
got to be all those things and you got to be,
vulnerable and the audience will pick up on. That and
that's like how you build a Little you can have
the biggest guests in the world, world but if you're
not kind of being that open and honest and kind
of just having it be more like a, hang it's
like they're sitting in on just a, hang, right then
it's gonna be a lot harder to build that. Community,
YEAH i.
Speaker 1: NOTICED i THINK i talked about this, before but there's
another sobriety podcast And i'm not gonna say what it's,
called BUT i was, LIKE i was trying to determine
IF i should say what it's, called but it doesn't really. Matter,
so but this person has had really big guests on
their show and they have like only a few. Reviews
they've been at it for like at least a year
and a. Half they have a lot of. Episodes they
have hardly any ratings or reviews with giant, guests And i'm,
like mine is doing way better with people with guests
that like not big, names not necessarily people that everybody's heard,
of but like good. Stories AND i really try to
have a personal can you, know IF i could get
a big, name it would BE i would of course do.
It but AND i have a couple of like more known.
People but to, me it's more interesting when it's more,
organic you. Know and when you AND i used to
have guests that were forced upon us that we didn't care,
about or that were giant. Blowhards what fun is it
to just hear us going uh huh oh, really oh,
yeah you're oh you raise your kids this certain way
and lecturing. Us then if it was somebody that we
were genuinely, like, OH i love this, person and then
asking them personal, questions.
Speaker 6: Not to you, know not to get to you, know
deep behind the. Scenes but when you guys have had,
guests don't you FIND i MEAN i know that through you,
know download numbers and, comments the guests that your most
popular guests are recurring friends of the show Like Julie.
Speaker 1: Kayse and literally foor friends with.
Speaker 6: You, yeah and those people like that and the and
the response is. Good but if it's somebody back in
the days when, PUBLICIST i mean this is years ago
now that you know that you guys used to people
would be, like somebody wants to promote a book and come,
on but it would feel like you guys didn't have
the chemistry with. Them and you'd hear that from the
viewers because they get, yeah Like kaylen, said it is
there's a certain intimacy in podcasts that doesn't exist in legacy,
media whereas people want to, go, okay we want that.
Connection and if you have somebody who's coming in from
a book publisher that you've never, met then that's just
flatline a little.
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Speaker 3: Nice, yeah what what are the other, shows you're Doing
kalin or you're still Doing, bonfire, Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah we're still Doing Bonfire talks With Mark, wahlberg the
host Of Temptation. Island, yes so we still record that
one out of here and he's still going strong on that.
One of, COURSE i do the Water cooler with all
of The adam kroller. Boys still we're all still. Kicking
do two episodes every.
Speaker 1: Week two episodes a week on that.
Speaker 2: One, yeah it's it's a free one and then A
patreon oh, okay, yeah and then we do we do
like Movie, nights so one of us will pick a,
movie we'll watch it and that'll be like a separate
episode that we. Do we do meetups with the, fans
so we meet with them every. Month so that's really
fun and over Zoom yeah and THAT i, know.
Speaker 1: Go we gotta do? That can we? Do can we
can we ink one For? June? Please? Okay to do all?
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah so we're doing all, that and, then LIKE i,
Said i'm starting this new company With scott CALLED r
six three Pod, media where it's, yeah it's people that
want to get into podcasting but don't know how to
do all the things That i've. Described when it comes To.
YEAH i mean, again there's just so much that go into,
it so we just take care of that for. Them
So i'm doing two weekly podcasts for that company right.
Now we have another one that we're starting In. September
and on top of, that we also do a thing
for authors that's kind of like a promo for their.
Book so instead of book, trailers sort, of it's instead
of like a full audio, book it's like they take you,
know it's it's usually like eight. Episodes we did one
Called The Jazz. Lions then he's this jazz Musician i'm
going to Be.
Speaker 1: Yeah It's Lee, yeah, yeah, Yeah i'm going to be
having him.
Speaker 2: On drunk Ash oh yeah yeah. Yeah he's the.
Speaker 1: Mutual friend of me And. Laura.
Speaker 2: Yeah and so it's like he would take out certain
excerpts from his chapters and then, read so it's kind
of almost like a teaser. Almost it's kind of like
almost telling the, story but it's not the whole. Book
so it's like you can learn about his life and the,
book and if you like, it you can go buy the.
Book but it's almost like it's like a mini audiobook or.
Something it's like a promo that we're doing for, authors
so we're doing that. Too SO i got a lot
on my plate. There and THEN i still do my
pawn work as. Well you, Know i'm still doing that
takes up at least an entire. Day all MY ponn
work is in The North valley AND i live In Long,
beach SO i need to get. Up, YEAH i need
to get up at six. THIRTY i need to drive
From Long beach To sunland Or silmar Or. Pasadena and
THEN i do anywhere from like six to ten or
eleven clients in a, day and THEN i come back
and then sometimes people are, like, OH i need my
pond drained and, cleaned AND i have To that's a
whole separate. DAY i have to doing that In la last.
Week so, Yeah i'm doing all those things AND i
have two young. Children.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah and then all on top of, THAT i might
be doing some work With Paton dylan on their podcast
there oh really, yeah we're not BAD. Tv BUT i
think specifically at The Below deck, episodes SO i might
be coming in to help The dylan's having a.
Speaker 3: Baby so, yeah, Yeah, toney yeah.
Speaker 2: Exactly so they're asking me to just come in and
help record them for a couple, episodes AND i might
be doing some more work for them. Later so, yeah
just a, lot a lot of work going. Around but
again my main, focus the big one Is Just Falling
about and to all the, audience wonderful audience listeners that
have heard me for twelve. Years if you wanted to
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Speaker 1: Well let's do the teen thousand is pretty.
Speaker 2: Huge it's you, know we do very well on, YouTube
but like The apple And spotify numbers are very. SLOWLY
i mean we're GETTING i think we're up to about
like a thousand an, episode and like with these, numbers
it's it's good and we can make a little money
on the YouTube programmatics like those ads that you see
at the beginning of videos and, stuff but like it's
still not really making any, money and like we've been
releasing episodes for a year, now we've been recording it
for a year and a. Half so and again this
is that thing of, like if you're gonna start a,
podcast you need to love doing. It i've been essentially
been doing, it not only for, free But i've invested
about four or five thousand dollars into the show that you,
know we haven't been able to make, back and whatever
money we are making now is just gonna go back
into the. Show it's just gonna go into you, Know
i'm probably gonna pay for some you, know social media
clips like, advertising just kind of upgrading cameras and that
sort of. Stuff so, Yeah i've been coming in recording
and doing this podcast for a year and a. Half
i'm still in the red money, wise BUT i love doing.
IT i love coming in and hanging out with my
dad and talking. Movies so if you're gonna start a,
podcast you need to be willing to kind of record
and put out episodes for over a year and not
see any money coming.
Speaker 1: In is he investing? Too does he love doing?
Speaker 2: It? Yeah, yeah he loves doing, it and, like, yeah
he's you, know we're going to upgrade some of the
some of the chairs in the. Studio he's going to
put in for. Those and so, yeah we both kind
of put in for.
Speaker 6: It AND i can't be the first to make the
suggestion those that you for. Efficiency have you thought about
taking your dad out on Your North valley cleaning and
calling it? Podcast so you guys talk about Old hollywood
while you're clean ponds and you give some how to's and.
Speaker 2: Takeaways, yeah there's a big fish pond market out there to.
Speaker 1: Hear that's.
Speaker 5: Great tune into podcast, Now, john.
Speaker 1: Why don't you talk a little bit about speaking of
like slow going but you're getting you're doing your history
your documentary DOT? Tv, yeah, Official.
Speaker 5: Yes where you find, it that's where you find.
Speaker 1: It are having trouble find?
Speaker 2: It?
Speaker 6: YEAH i know it's it's it's daunting because the algorithm,
is you, know until you get. Big and we're AT
i don't, know we're about seven thousand. SUBSCRIBERS i think that's.
Speaker 5: Good, YEAH i mean it's.
Speaker 6: Growing but, again as you, know backstory real quick is
THAT i spent a lot of years PRODUCING tv For,
cable FOR Hbo, discovery but PROBABLY i did more for
The History channel than any and this is before The
History channel became a reality outlet back in.
Speaker 5: The nineties and early two.
Speaker 6: Thousands and there are a handful of us who worked
for all of those you, know usual cable, Suspects, Discovery HISTORY.
Speaker 5: A and E, hbo et. Cetera and there is a
huge or there's a big.
Speaker 6: Market on YouTube for the old Style History channel Because
History channel was they were you, know too smart by.
Half in two thousand and, five they saw, that you,
know the reality shows were making more money than the.
Documentaries so one of The History channel executives, decided, oh
instead of you, know doing documentaries that draw in fifty
year old, viewers will create a bunch of you, know
fighting reality shows that will draw in you, know nineteen
twenty five year old. Viewers and so they, said, okay
now history isn't. History history is history as it, happens
which means axe men where you get a bunch of
lumberjacks screaming at each other and threatening to kill each.
Other and the documentaries kind of went. Away so we,
all while we were still PRODUCING, tv we noticed that
a lot of the traditional documentary viewers From discovery And
history and what have.
Speaker 5: You had moved to.
Speaker 6: YouTube so a number of, us AND i think people
have heard quite a bit ABOUT tv is contracted a.
Ton there's probably about thirty percent of THE tv work
In Los angeles now than there was five six years
ago because because of. Streaming but that's a whole different.
Story but in any, case a handful of us who
really enjoyed doing those documentaries back in the nineties and
the early two, thousands we're, like, well you, know while we,
are you, know trying to surf this reorganization OF, tv
if it ever, happens why don't we produce this stuff
that there still seems to be a real audience for
and put it on. YouTube and, again there are a
handful of very good channels that do very good jobs of,
this and we're, like let's expand that and do our.
Own and it's the big channel is Called DOCUMENTARY. Tv
documentary DOT, tv Dot. Official it's but if you put
documentary DOT tv and, YouTube you should come.
Speaker 5: Up and, Again.
Speaker 6: I've got a couple of what the kids like to call,
verticals But i've got a couple of little titles THAT i,
do or a little mini series THAT i do on
that channel once Called history in a, Hurry but SOMETIMES
i know people Put history in A Hurry up looking
for the. Chin it's actually a series Under DOCUMENTARY, tv
but it's kind of a tongue in cheek because you,
KNOW i like.
Speaker 5: Comedy i'm a little bit, sarcastic.
Speaker 4: SO i just kind OF i didn't expect the. Comedy
well IT'S i like. It.
Speaker 6: WELL i moved TO la to work for sitcoms AND
i went through staffing seasons AND i was just, like
history was kind of my second, tier and BUT i
loved doing it back in the. Day i'm, Like, okay
why DON'T i try to create a little of. Both
and it's a you, know it gets as a little,
dicey particularly when you're talking About Nazi. Germany you have
to and you have to know when to lean into
the jokes and lean away from. Them but in any,
Case i've got a vertical Called history in A Hurry
i've got another one Called, listery which is just because
the kids love a list and it's just.
Speaker 2: Countdowns but do you put it out as a podcast as?
Speaker 6: Well, no because no visual it's all it's all. Visual,
Yeah and there there are a number of other people
who are a handful of other people who are doing different.
Things there's one coming up it's Called Watch This space
and it's another producer is working with a pretty well
known space expert and they've got all of these great videos.
Speaker 5: On the space. Race and.
Speaker 6: Another Guy i've worked with for thirty years Named Rob,
kirk does a series Called warriors And Their Own, words
which is really.
Speaker 1: Good and that was from a.
Speaker 6: Podcast, yeah that one was re engineered from a podcast
that still is being put out On. Evergreen But rob
made a deal With evergreen when he was still running
a BIG tv. Company and because again the company that
THAT i did a lot of these four we used
to be Called Digital, Ranch AND i mean the number
of people that we interviewed back and they interviewed even
BEFORE i joined. Them JUST i, mean they've got Living
World War one veterans that they shot in you, know
nineteen ninety.
Speaker 5: ONE i, mean there's nobody.
Speaker 6: Alive that can Remember World War, one and these are
beautifully shot, interviews you, know veterans Remembering World War. One
World War. TWO i, interviewed you, know hundreds Of World
War two, Veterans, German. American you Love World War. Two
it's kind of fascinating.
Speaker 3: Me my, dad, guys my, SON i got him on
your YouTube channel and he loves.
Speaker 4: It he's loving. It AND i watched.
Speaker 3: IT i thought it was so well done and so
but a lot of guys Like sunny's really Into World
war two right.
Speaker 6: Now it's just IT'S i, mean it was if you
dig too, deep you can find plenty of horrible things
on all. Sides but in the cleanest, version it was
a it was the last clean. WAR i, mean there
was a clearly you, know designated bad. Guys you had you, Know, Germany, Italy, Japan, nazis,
fascists and you had you.
Speaker 5: Know we were the.
Speaker 6: Reluctant you, know, again there are ways to parts this
week and the deeper things that are complicated ever so,
slightly but not that. Much and again and it ended
heroically if there, was you, know so much, tragedy but
it ended with a. Victory so you, know it's the
last big thing where it can go. Okay it wasn't,
Cynical it wasn't for you, know financial or you, know cynical.
Geopolitical it was A cleanish. War so so there's, yeah
there's lots Of World war.
Speaker 4: Two so how often is, like is new content.
Speaker 6: Well there's stuff because there's so many of us and
there's such a big or again they're probably about five
producers working on, it but there's there's stuff going up every.
Week but some of it is just amazing archival, footage you,
know films that were made in nineteen fifty that we,
are this, group The digital ranch owns in their. Library
so sometimes we'll put up just fascinating old stuff and
some of those GET i, mean put up A GERMAN
u boat documentary shot by the OLD, ufa which was
the Big german, studio and then translated it and you,
know got sixty.
Speaker 5: Seventy thousand views just.
Speaker 6: On but we're trying to you, know we're trying to
prioritize our original stuff a little bit so and it's
again we're still we're still building the machine and we
haven't created all the, best most efficient. Ways, again we
all edit, ourselves but you, know most people who started
out with twenty thirty years AS tv producers were now
very late coming to the, editing and we kind of
all edited like. Monkeys and between the four or five of,
us we share one professional editor who goes over at
the very end and, goes, okay let me make this.
Look let me make this look a little bit more
fit for human. Consumption so we've Got that's where the
logjam is is that we don't have A we only
pretty much one and then there's a great woman who
comes in when she's, available but one and a half
professional editors finishing a lot of amateur.
Speaker 1: Attempts But john recently literally taught himself to edit pretty.
Well i'm hot, yourself.
Speaker 6: Sure BUT i mean that's NOT i, mean so many,
PEOPLE i mean most kids these days learn to edit
in high. School so it's not it's not anything that's it.
Speaker 5: Just it takes a little. Doing and then, AGAIN I.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to. VIDEO i don't even know
like An instagram.
Speaker 2: VIDEO i had to learn all that on YouTube as.
Well and BUT i mean my edits are Very they're
a lot easier than doing something like. That you, know
mine's like a podcast video editing or. Whatever but what
you said was right when you called it a. Machine
and that's what these, shows these podcasts are these. Days
it has to be a machine and it needs to run,
constantly and for the algorithm and everyone to pick up on,
it you need to be constantly putting out, videos, clips
social media. Lips there's like a whole science behind, thumbnails
Which i've should have got into, sooner but now doing
the whole science behind thumbnails grabbing people's attention where you,
know people's eyes look on the page of. YouTube but,
yeah saying it's a machine is right because it has
to just run all the, time constantly or else it's not.
Gonna it's just gonna kind, of you, know get lost
in the shuffle of everything else going.
Speaker 6: Out it's it's a beast and you have to feed
it or it loses. Interesting the algorithm loses interest in
you if you're. Not and again they it's so.
Speaker 5: Much jargon associated with.
Speaker 6: It but if you talk to a, YouTube if you
if you talk to a YouTube consultant or they talk
about the funnel and top of the, funnel and it's just.
Speaker 5: Like oh, god you've got more.
Speaker 6: Buzzwords but you, know drawing any listener or viewer into
a podcast or a, YouTube they refer to it as a.
Funnel and top of the funnel is how do you
get their attention sort of to bring them to? You
do you get their attention On? Instagram and does that
deliver them to your? YouTube do you get their attention
On TikTok to deliver to your you, know Your apple.
Speaker 2: PODCAST i haven't EVEN i haven't even done TikTok. Yet
just LIKE i, Said i'm so behind on doing Even
instagram clips for my dad's, Show LIKE i haven't even
touched TikTok, yet AND i, Know i'm, like oh, FUCK
i GOTTA i gotta get the TikTok up and. RUNNING
i gotta be doing that. ONE i gotta be Doing.
Instagram probably don't need to Do, TWITTER i. DON'T i
don't know how. MUCH i don't Think Twitter twitter IS
i don't think that's a big. Traffic but, yeah that's
just another area THAT i haven't even touched, yet which Is.
Speaker 4: TikTok so for, podcasts do they FOR Nat? LIKE i don't.
Speaker 3: KNOW i feel like we've been doing podcasting for so
long that we're like old.
Speaker 4: School BUT i feel.
Speaker 3: That, nowadays if you have a, podcast you gotta be on.
Speaker 4: YouTube is that? True like is that.
Speaker 2: THERE'S i, mean there's some podcasts That i've just been
around for long enough that, like if you have your
core audience and they'll listen to, you like it's not as.
Necessary but if you're starting a new. Podcast these, days
you have to be on. YouTube i did not understand
the horns of YouTube UNTIL i started my dad's show
AND i was, like, OH i. THINK i, mean it's
where most people consume podcasts now is.
Speaker 1: YouTube so if you just sit in front of THEIR i.
Speaker 5: DON'T i.
Speaker 2: DON'T i guess the screen and watch a. Podcast guess
how do you do other?
Speaker 1: THINGS i know the whole point of podcast.
Speaker 2: That you can Be that's WHAT i always thought. About
AND i went into my my YouTube analytics and it shows.
Me you, KNOW i know what my target audience is
for the. Show but most people that are watching me
and my dad's show are watching.
Speaker 5: It on A. Tv i've noticed that.
Speaker 2: Too, yeah they're not on a phone or a tablet
or a. Computer they're watching it on A. Tv And i'm, like,
oh they're just watching this as like A tv, Show
like you, KNOW i, mean we have YouTube tv. Now
we switched, over and you, KNOW i love it and it's.
Speaker 4: Good YouTube tv is.
Speaker 5: Different it's different from. YouTube it.
Speaker 2: Is it. Is, Yeah BUT i, mean like.
Speaker 1: We should do a quick. Break, yeah let's do a
break and then we'll come back and talk about. This,
okay we're. Back YouTube.
Speaker 2: Tv, yeah you're, right you you. TWO tv is not
the same as, YouTube but people are using YouTube as
just like their streaming platform instead of Like netflix or.
Whatever and, yeah WHEN i saw that most people are
consuming our show on A, TV i was very surprised by.
Speaker 5: That but that's also.
Speaker 6: The OLDER i, mean your older viewers tend to view
YouTube through A, tv.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah and that's what our audience. Is our audience
is male's ages thirty five to sixty.
Speaker 6: Five, yeah that's again the, older the you, know the very.
Youngest you're getting on. Mobile then you get sort of
that millennial who tend to be, mobile, laptop and then
you get the fact.
Speaker 2: That it's even on YouTube just still bapp, that like
that's where they're like, AGAIN i listen to podcasts just
When i'm doing my pawn, work when i'm you, know
driving in the, car When i'm putting the dishes. Away,
LIKE i was just surprised that it didn't that it's
not hitting more on like Just spotify And, apple but
it's blown up on YouTube just people watching.
Speaker 5: It well it.
Speaker 6: DOES i mean, again just Because i've been watching so
many analytic videos and everything on this since helping Stepf Loane,
drunkish and it is. INTERESTING i, mean different formats perform.
DIFFERENTLY i mean you. ALMOST i mean some of the
great narrative, podcasts the things that followed On, cereal a
lot of, THAT a lot of those don't translate to
YouTube as, well and they overperform on the audio.
Speaker 5: Platforms and then you've.
Speaker 6: Got you, know the more legacy podcasts still overperform on
it's the newer and younger skewing podcasts that.
Speaker 5: Do very well on.
Speaker 2: Youttube, yeah, Yeah AND i mean that's just another reason
why you have to put out an episode every single.
Week every. Week you have to on the same. Day keep, People,
yeah on the same. Day that's another. Thing BEFORE i was,
LIKE i was releasing episodes on like A tuesday or
maybe like A. Friday but ever SINCE i was, like,
no we're doing these episodes, now and it's going up Every.
TUESDAY i can see my audio download slowly, upticking and
it's just that. Consistent and, see that's really.
Speaker 1: Important people love a second episode a. Week. Though our
podcast Were Crying Out loud grew exponentially And i'll REMEMBER
i wasn't making any money on this podcast at the. Time,
yeah and you were, Like, okay we're gonna go to
two a, week AND i remember just thinking like really
LIKE i don't even know what one a week is.
Doing at this, Point you're like two a week And i'm,
like all, Right and then the show really. Grew, YEAH
i don't know what that. Is but even On, drunkish
When i've had episodes that are two, parters AND i
don't it's not on, purpose but sometimes the interviews just
go really, long AND i don't know if somebody's gonna
sit for like two hours and, Listen so it's better
IF i can go, here here's the first, chunk then
here's a second. Chunk those weeks do not just, double
but like they increase the, listenership do you know WHAT i?
Speaker 4: Mean like like.
Speaker 1: After the first days of, listening people listen more the
rest to the wee for some. Reason, yeah they like.
Speaker 2: It they like. It if they like your, show then
more show is you, know they're oh, great Look i'm
Getting i'm getting more, now you, Know like that's again,
too Why i'm, like, okay let's start. Going LET'S i,
mean we have to book some. GUESTS i think we
might have we might Have Sean aston on the, line
as like our next guest that we're. Doing BUT i
can't fucking figure out these. Anyway it's it's a tech
it's a tech Problem i'm running. Into that's frustrating the
hell out of. Me but, yeah ONCE i had that, realization,
oh let's do two episodes a, week we'll do a
guest interview and we'll do just or falling about we're
calling it where we just fuck. AROUND i think they're
really going to like, that AND i think it's going
to drive more people to. Channel but THEN i get
into the, whole, Like, okay the way you put up
a thumbnail for a guest episode is, Different LIKE i
can't figure out my thumbnails for these episodes where we're
just we're just. NAIL a thumbnail is what people see
on YouTube for the. Clip so when you're scrolling on,
YouTube the image that you see on the, videos that's a, thumbnail.
Speaker 5: Right and it's a it's it's it's a.
Speaker 2: Science and it's LIKE.
Speaker 1: I came home after talking To kaylin one day after
you left and came home and Told john you're doing it,
Wrong caylen. Says and Then john's, like, okay, me how's
This And i'm, like, yes that looks like What kaylen
showed Be.
Speaker 2: If you go to the just phone about, page you
can like go back and see like my original thumbnail
of like my dad AND i think Like Edward furlong
was one of our first, episodes and you can see
it like changing and like evolving over. Time but, yeah
there's a real science behind. THAT i was talking to
my brother in law who does social media. Marketing he's, Like,
okay you need eyes are very, Important so you need
you need to see a person and you need to
see where their eyes are, looking and where their eyes
are looking is where the audience is going to. Look
so you want like their eyes looking towards the caption
or like the title of your. Show so WHEN i
saw you posting the drunkest, EPISODES i was, like make them.
Bigger you need to make yourself, bigger and you need
to like overlay. It like the VIDEO i posted last
this week was really. GOOD i was, like it's my
dad in it and he's talking about they killed off
his Character hicks From. Aliens they killed him off in
the beginning Of alien. Three people Hate alien. Three they
Love alien And aliens they're great, movies and they Hate alien.
Three so he told the story about them killing off
his character at the beginning Of alien, three and, he
like somebody he, knew went to the studios when they
were filming it and he there was a dummy of
his character with his chest blown, open like like the
alien had come. Out and my dad got word of,
that and he eventually Called David, fincher The Academy award
winging director and cussed him out and told him to
go fuck, himself and all this.
Speaker 1: Before he had filmed. It he just because this.
Speaker 2: Is When David fincher was like a brand new, director
so he hadn't made, anything and he was getting pushed
around by the studio big time on that he hates
that movie that he. Made but he tells the story
of like there's the dummy of him, was and he
got word of that and he called his, agent who
was a big agent at the time Named Ed La
maude who handled Like denzel and Mel, gibbs and he was,
like fuck that they're not doing this to my. Character
and then he started like battling with the studios like
that's my. Likeness i'm gonna sue you if this is
like if he goes, out he goes, OUT i get,
It i'm not in the, movie but he's not dying
by a fucking alien coming out of his. Chest so Then, david,
yeah he made them change. It And David fincher called
him at one point and is, like, hey LIKE i,
know and he had against so many problems On he's,
like is there any way we can pay you this much?
Money and he's, like, no fuck you not doing. It
and so eventually they changed it to where like he
gets impaled by like a beam or. Something so he
had to get them to change.
Speaker 1: That but, wait why he didn't want to act out
a scene where an.
Speaker 2: Alien, no he was not in the movie at, All
like they did not ask him to be in the.
Speaker 1: Movie, oh he was, Like i'm gonna be in the.
Movie you're gonna kill. Me you're gonna work out of.
Speaker 2: It you're gonna make my likeness and you're gonna kill
my character off like, That like, not IF i have
anything to say about, it you can't use my likeness
because there Was president said Because Crispin, GLOVER i, guess
and you know he talks about all this in the.
Video they Used Crispin glover's likeness In back to The future,
too and he did not sign off on, that so
he sued the studio and. Won so there was president
said that you can't just use the likeness of, somebody
and so my dad was, Like i'm gonna sue the
fuck out of, You, Like i'm not in the. MOVIE
i get, it like you killed me. Off that's. Fine
my crew is, going, WELL i don't, care BUT i
don't Want hicks to die this. WAY i don't want
him to have been killed by an, alien like that's
his chest blown. OPEN i don't want that to be
the last image Of. Hicks so Then David fincher calls
him and goes, like is there any way we can
Do and he's, like, no fuck. You and so they
ended up settling and, like, okay we're gonna pay. You
they paid him like a lot of money just to
use his likeness and to change how he died In alien.
Speaker 1: Three, oh so he does he wasn't in the.
Speaker 2: Movie he, was he was not in the, movie and
he was okay with. That it was how they were
planning to kill his, character which he just got word.
Of he was working with a producer on another, movie
and that producer went over To england and saw that
dummy body came back and told him and he was, like,
NO i GOTTA i gotta.
Speaker 1: Stop, well if they were going to pay, him then
they should have just had him in the movie and
had him had his character killed.
Speaker 2: Again and that is a beloved, Character, hicks and everyone loves.
It and SO i knew, that and SO i was, like,
okay we. Did it was an hour and a half.
Episode that's like an eight or nine minute. Clip and
this is another thing with podcasting is the clips do very.
Well SO i will take that story out of the
episode And i'll post that as a separate clip on our.
Channel and like that episode has like seven thousand, views
but that clip has seventy five thousand views and it's
not even a week.
Speaker 1: Old so you'll take and this is in the weeds
for our listeners who don't give a fuck about this right.
Now but that's not a.
Speaker 2: Short SHORT a short, short.
Speaker 1: What do you call? That just a?
Speaker 2: Clip that's a SHORT i CALL i.
Speaker 1: Have all the ten minute one.
Speaker 2: Clips c it's like a separate you, know on your,
channel you have a kind of separate, channels and all
these are, interviews these are forms. Playlist, yeah these are,
clips and so my clips are the ones that are
getting all these. Views but getting back to the, THUMBNAIL
i was, Like, okay make my dad, big make him look, angry,
like catch a screenshot of him looking. Angry put a
picture of The alien three poster up a picture of his.
Character and then SOMETHING i haven't been doing But i'm
gonna start doing is you got to caption. It you
have to write something that people are gonna see and, go,
OH i want this sounds. Interesting SO i, WROTE i
wrote on the, Thumbnail there's no Way hicks is going
out like, that which is something that he says in the.
Video so it's, like there's no Way hicks is going
out like that with a picture of him In, aliens
and so that drives people to, go, OH i Like.
HICKS i Like. Aliens Oh. Hicks oh this Is Michael bean.
Talk Oh i'm going to click on. This so it's, like,
again it's that putting that just that was the first
TIME i did a caption in the, thumbnail and it
did very very. Well So i'm, like, okay, GREAT i
got a great story for this week's episode where my
dad was working on The mandalorian and totally made a
fool out of himself in front Of. Bilbert he Loves,
bilbert and he Freaked bilberg the fuck out on the
set Of The. Mandalorian and so Like i'm thinking in my, head, now,
okay how AM i going to get the thumbnail to
Look it's gonna be like him being, excited a picture
Of bilber being all freaked, out a picture Of The
mandalorian a, caption so like there's a whole science again
to the. Thumbnail you need to get people to just,
GO i want to watch, that like that looks, Interesting
so you need you just need. Something if it's like
a boring, thumbnail they're gonna pass over. It SO i.
Speaker 3: Notice, that like When i'm going through YouTube sometimes And
i'll see like a thumbnail of, like, uh you, Know
Daily dose Of donna the podcast and she talks About
baldoni And Blake lively and you, know And i'll, say,
like you, Know blake loses friends With Taylor, swift you,
know and then There's Taylor swift That blake's like like,
mad you, know and then you're there's clearly ai on
their face where they look like they're crying or something like,
that where it's like that's.
Speaker 4: Ridiculous, yeah you can.
Speaker 2: Get to like real gimmicky like just, baiting AND i
don't want to do.
Speaker 4: That you don't need.
Speaker 2: TO i, Mean i'm trying to find like a sweet.
Spot but, again it's, like so the episode thumbnails that
we do is, Like, okay me and my dad and
our friend just talk about twenty different movies in an, Episode, Like,
okay how DO i make a thumbnail for the actual?
Episode and so Far i've been doing like a picture
of him and a picture of different celebrities that he talks.
About so like one thumbnail has Like Jack nicholson And
Steven spielberg and. It but it's like it's not, Good
like it's like it needs to. Be it's too. Busy
the thumbnail are too busy AND i need to clean
it up, somehow BUT i don't know how. Yet So
i'm still learning About Like, Okay i'm gonna like change
it for this week And i'm gonna do, that but,
YEAH i need to figure out how to do thumbnails
a little better for like our full.
Speaker 1: Episodes you know HOW i relate to that Is i've
been playing a lot of online, poker and if you
choose your avatar SOMETIMES i go, THROUGH i want to
change it. Up i'm using a guy Called elbardo right,
now which is just a guy with a big beard
and a baseball. CAP i like to be a guy
When i'm playing poker BECAUSE i feel Like i'm going
to get targeted IF i use a female. ICON i
just feel like men are less likely to use a female.
Icon so women are probably using the female icon because
they think it's. Cool BUT i think men suss it
out and think you don't have a, hand and it's
harder to. Bluff SO i just like to be a
dude and just. Blend BUT i go through the sometimes the,
avatars And i'm like too, Busy like you need it
needs to be. CLEAN i don't want people staring at
it and trying to see what is that. EXACTLY i
don't want to drag in that's got fire going on
and other things have too much. HAPPENING i just want
a person the face and like let's go, yeah, sweeteard,
yes sweet, beard, yeah baseball hat he beard. O.
Speaker 6: Yeah you gotta change it because people are going to
start trying to trying to bluff.
Speaker 1: You, Now oh my, god there's only a set amount
of ones if you go AND i play On Glowslobal Global.
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Speaker 5: On there's one of ten.
Speaker 2: And, Yeah i've, Seen i've watched a couple of YouTube
videos on, like so people will and AGAIN i JUST
i don't have time for, this but, like MAYBE i
could do. It you essentially make like three or four different,
thumbnails and then you upload it to this program and
the program tells you that's the one you should use.
Speaker 5: Exactly BUT i.
Speaker 2: Also, yeah you got to like kind OF i want
to maintain consistency, Too SO i don't want them to
look completely different every, time AND i want people to
be able to look at it and, Know, okay this
is an, episode this is an, interview this is a.
Clip SO i need to make all those three look same.
Style they kind of look, similar but they're different enough
to where people will be able to differentiate between which
clip we're. Doing AND i still. Haven't it's still a
work in.
Speaker 1: Progress you too should just go have lunch and talk about.
This people are, like but what About? Natalia what IS.
Speaker 4: I don't Know i've had an Interesting, Yeah, no it is.
Speaker 1: Interesting it's interesting when you're a lot of people. THINK
i get asked this a, lot LIKE i want to
start a, podcast And i'm, like, yeah good luck with.
Speaker 4: That yeah all the. Time, YEAH i want to start a.
Speaker 1: Podcast. Yeah oh my. God IF i can tell you
all the people that want to start a podcast with
me that are just, like you, know we should start
a podcast, together And i'm, like, no we. SHOULDN'T i
already have a hundred of THEM a AND. B it's,
like unless you have some kind of A i had
no idea how LUCKY i was when we started this.
Podcast hats off To adam because it was his audience
that was interested, in, like OH i want to HEAR i,
mean they liked you immediately and they wanted to hear
things from your. Perspective but that's where the audience came.
From it's very difficult to get an audience from. Scratch
you have to have some sort of. Platform, luckily WHEN
i came into, IT i did into being your co.
HOST i did have a successful book, yep behind. ME i,
HAD i mean success with, that SO i had a
bit of an. AUDIENCE i wanted to like check it.
Out but like when people start a podcast from scratch
with no platform, WHATSOEVER i, WANT i always say to them, like,
okay but where is your audience going to come?
Speaker 2: From you, know especially these, days because it was definitely
easier back then when there were less podcasts. Out, yeah
now it's like the market is so. Oversaturated you need
to you need to have something like you need to
either be like a really niche like topic or you
need to have some kind of. Platform and even if you,
do it's going to be very hard to still grow that.
Podcast even if you have a platform and you have
an audience and you have people who like know who you,
are it's still going to be, very very difficult to
get to the point where, it's you, know where you're
like selling ads and like to like sell an ad
on a podcast on, YouTube you need to be getting
about twenty five thousand views per. Episode so every episode
that you post has to have at least twenty five
thousand people watching it for an ad agency to even, consider,
oh we're going to start Selling we're going to start
selling ads for. You that's fucking hard to get.
Speaker 1: To when you watch these documentaries about these kids that
all start going. Viral don't they make it seem so, easy,
Right they make it seem like just get some people
together and just like fuck around a little bit and
like record. It viral success will be waiting for. You
it's like you have to figure for every kid that
gets some other kids together and make some videos and
makes a, channel there are like one hundred thousand more
that get no.
Speaker 2: Views, right, yeah, YEAH i mean it's like what you were,
saying there's what six percent of YouTube channels are monetized.
Speaker 5: And then monetized, it and that's.
Speaker 2: High that number is you need a thousand subscribers and
four thousand watched hours and only six percent of content
on YouTube is getting to that. Number is like it's, Crazy, yeah,
no it's it's it's.
Speaker 1: Daunting but, well if you're getting twelve hundred downloads per,
episode you're in the top five percent of podcasts or
maybe the top one PER i don't, KNOW i forgot
what it, is but it's, oh it's most podcasts are
getting like fifty downloads an episode most and then the
next tier is like in the. Hundreds but if you're
just getting a few, hundred you're doing better than fifty
percent of all, podcasts.
Speaker 2: Which is, great but it doesn't make you.
Speaker 1: Money, no, no because you have to be up there
in like the top five percent be getting.
Speaker 4: Ads Y i keep going yeah again.
Speaker 2: There we're almost a twelve hundred.
Speaker 3: Episode so, Well kaylin will wash you all the, best thank.
Speaker 1: You, yeah but he's still here On.
Speaker 5: Friday, yeah On friday Shows. Alo you also will have
them on as a.
Speaker 2: Guest i'll be, Around you're going to, See you're going to,
see going to be.
Speaker 1: Around, also we have A patreon this. Week that's gonna
be pretty. Good john's gonna sit in for. It lynette's
going to get some input into, parenting especially.
Speaker 4: Fathers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, god but before we, go let's say we didn't
even say hi to our, friends like they're not. Important
Like dick frolickers not in, place still, Frolicking, Yeah Kelly
Lattie Da katie's still rolling on E she went to
a Rave Nikki call Your. Girls Elizabeth williamson still has
too many, kids But rita is helping, out rocking them
in her basket Yet, polly we love your. Pancakes, Valerie
Bubba fenwick hits out of the. Park, katerina you know
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