WEBVTT 1 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:32.200 At the end of twenty twenty five, we were introduced 2 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:36.840 to the new Twilight Zone comic series by IDW or 3 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:41.240 id Dark as they are calling this imprint, and we 4 00:00:41.399 --> 00:00:46.280 had generally positive feelings about that faced issue. But tonight 5 00:00:46.439 --> 00:00:50.600 we tackle issue too, And tonight I am joined as 6 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:54.799 ever by my man in the comic shop, mister Zach Moore. 7 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:57.880 Zach, welcome back, hellother Tom happy to be here. 8 00:00:57.840 --> 00:01:00.799 So, Zach, I think we were generally positive less time, right, 9 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:05.079 you know, a few things to be discussed, maybe an 10 00:01:05.159 --> 00:01:07.480 art style in that comic that we would have been 11 00:01:07.519 --> 00:01:10.640 unsure of, and also there was the kind of issue 12 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:14.159 of brevity. It felt like really quick. But I think 13 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:17.280 within that we generally liked that story, didn't we. 14 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:20.079 I did. I was the one who was a little 15 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:23.719 more critical of the art work, and you're right, I 16 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:26.400 do remember feeling like, oh man, they went by fast, 17 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:30.319 and yeah, I feel like this one issue too makes 18 00:01:30.319 --> 00:01:32.200 me appreciate Issue one even more. 19 00:01:32.040 --> 00:01:34.799 Time in the sense of that this felt. 20 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:38.680 Faster, well you know, it felt longer. 21 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:40.959 So that's out the way. 22 00:01:41.719 --> 00:01:46.120 Despite what we may say about the content itself, I 23 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:50.239 did like the approach of the art style. I'll say 24 00:01:50.239 --> 00:01:54.120 that it felt more, you know, twide zones in the 25 00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:57.319 fifties and sixties. It feels like more fifties and sixties 26 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:00.640 kind of artwork than Issue number one. Well that's how 27 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:02.879 I felt about that. That is my follow up on 28 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:07.400 my criticisms of issue one. They have been addressed here 29 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:11.800 an issue two. But we did enjoy blanks was issue 30 00:02:11.840 --> 00:02:14.520 number one. We enjoyed that quite a bit. I believe 31 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:17.479 one of the stronger things for me when I look 32 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:20.560 at this tie in material, I'm like, could this have 33 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:23.159 been an episode of the Twilight Zone? And I thought, sure, 34 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:25.520 absolutely that that could have been an episode of the 35 00:02:25.520 --> 00:02:28.719 Twilet Zone. Issue one. We'll talk about what we think 36 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:29.639 about Issue two. 37 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:33.599 Okay, so this one is called A World of Your 38 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:38.479 Wildest Dreams. The writer, artist and letterer is Tom Showley, 39 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:40.759 and I kind of like that, Zach. You know that 40 00:02:41.159 --> 00:02:43.599 this issue and the next issue. I'm not sure about 41 00:02:43.719 --> 00:02:46.719 issue four, which is also out at the time of recording, 42 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:49.719 but those two issues, at least issues two and three, 43 00:02:49.759 --> 00:02:53.240 they've handed it over to a single creator and said, 44 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:56.360 there you go, do your Twilight Zone story, which I 45 00:02:56.479 --> 00:02:58.919 kind of like, you know, let's see what someone has 46 00:02:59.000 --> 00:02:59.400 to say. 47 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:02.759 I agree I think have that singular creative vision is interesting. 48 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:06.000 You know a lot of comic book writers and artists 49 00:03:06.039 --> 00:03:09.319 are mutually exclusive, right, but some of them can do everything. 50 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:12.759 And that's that's fun that you know you love it 51 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:15.120 hate it somewhere between. You know that this was someone's 52 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:17.599 vision start to finish, top to bottom. 53 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:21.879 So the way this story starts it is a very 54 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:27.759 Twilight Zone setup. I'm thinking elergy, I'm thinking death ship. 55 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:30.000 We just got a bunch of guys and a woman 56 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:32.759 on a ship. Most of them are in cry of sleep. 57 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:36.639 But we got this one guy kind of watching over things, 58 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:40.240 having a little grumble about the lot he has in life, 59 00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:43.520 about this this terrible job. And I think this is 60 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:47.840 very Twilight Zone, where you know, there's no differentiation between 61 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:52.919 like astronauts or like, you know, the guy who who 62 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:55.840 drives a truck. They're just all the same. Which I 63 00:03:55.919 --> 00:03:58.199 kind of like, you know, our astronauts are all like 64 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:02.919 American hero and this and that from the military or whatever. 65 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:07.159 But these guys, you drive a truck, you drive a spaceship, 66 00:04:07.199 --> 00:04:08.960 it's all the same. And I kind of like that. 67 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:11.240 Look, that's the future, that's the future. We can all 68 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:15.879 aspire towards right, and even the kind of the vernacular 69 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:18.120 terminology and some of the dialogue. I was like, Oh, 70 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:19.920 this feels like it's straight out of the fifties. So 71 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:24.920 I really like this setup of the story. Also, if 72 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:27.279 you see in the movie Alien, which I'm sure people 73 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:30.279 listening to this podcast have seen, that is the first 74 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:32.480 scene where all the pods open up and people come 75 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:34.480 out and that sort of thing. But yeah, I really 76 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:37.199 liked those episodes where there's like two or three people 77 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:39.160 on a spaceship and they go somewhere, and I feel 78 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:41.040 like they did that a lot on the Twilight Zone, 79 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:44.480 and so this set up perfect right in line with 80 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:46.279 what I would expect from a Twilight Zone story. 81 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:52.160 Okay, so these people learned on a planet. I can't 82 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:54.000 remember what exactly the mission was. 83 00:04:54.279 --> 00:04:59.160 Get geological surveys and rocks and minerals and resources. I 84 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:02.319 think they talked about that, but that's basically yeah. 85 00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:04.199 That's right. You know, they must have got to the 86 00:05:04.199 --> 00:05:09.240 point where space travel is relatively cheap, fuel is cheap, 87 00:05:09.399 --> 00:05:13.279 so they'll spend billions to go and get some min rules. 88 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:17.399 It's almost like sending criminals on a life sentence across 89 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:19.279 the Solar system that's much more efficient. 90 00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:26.160 Absolutely great twilight Zone logic. And I mean, let's before 91 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:28.680 we get into the story proper. I don't think you 92 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:31.879 can critique a comic book without talking about the artwork. 93 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:38.240 And I find this is I'm very divided on it. Okay, 94 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:43.600 I like the vehicles. I like, you know, the outfits 95 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:46.959 has got a very Twilight Zone feel, like they're all 96 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:49.319 just in jumpsuits, you know what I mean, and that 97 00:05:49.319 --> 00:05:52.560 that's the way it tends to be. The actual detail 98 00:05:52.639 --> 00:05:56.199 of the features and things. I don't know, man, I'm 99 00:05:56.199 --> 00:05:58.000 not sure I like this artwork too much. 100 00:05:58.040 --> 00:06:01.120 But okay, so you're me from my time now. Well, 101 00:06:01.160 --> 00:06:03.000 I just felt like this looks like you'd see in 102 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:05.759 a comic book, in like a nineteen sixty comic book, right, 103 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:09.360 just kind of square jawed, clean cut professionals here in 104 00:06:09.399 --> 00:06:12.560 their spaceships and their laser guns and their space like 105 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:16.319 it fit I think. And in the other one issue one, 106 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:19.319 I mean, it was it was different. It was it 107 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:21.319 was it was an artistic choice they had on everything. 108 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:22.600 Yeah, highly stylized. 109 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:25.240 Yeah, and this is this is stylized in its own way. 110 00:06:25.319 --> 00:06:27.079 Now when it when it when we start seeing other 111 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:30.120 things in the story. I'm like, I don't know, guys, 112 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:34.079 but as far as the humans and the technology and 113 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:36.439 all that, I liked that. I think it fit in 114 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:39.199 well with what they're with what I think they're trying 115 00:06:39.199 --> 00:06:40.120 to do with these comics. 116 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:45.319 They land on this planet, they start to explore. Thankfully, 117 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:50.079 in true Twilight Zone fashion, the air is breathable, so 118 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:54.560 no problems there. Again, very on brand for the Twilight Zone. 119 00:06:55.240 --> 00:06:58.680 But they start to encounter things. First of all, it's 120 00:06:58.759 --> 00:07:04.240 like this sort of jackalope type creature, and one of 121 00:07:04.279 --> 00:07:07.120 the astronauts is like, hey, that reminds me of something 122 00:07:07.120 --> 00:07:09.759 when I was a kid, and what was it? Like? 123 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:11.519 A rabbit and run over by a car? 124 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:14.480 A rabbit in their backyard. Their parents will let them 125 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:17.240 keep it as a pet because of allergies. And then 126 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:19.480 oh yeah, then my parents accidentally hit it with their 127 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:21.199 car when they were backing out of the driveway. I'm like, 128 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:23.959 that was unnecessarily dark. Did we have to go there? 129 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:28.839 Yeah? Well, it's also sets us up into like this 130 00:07:29.439 --> 00:07:32.360 sequence of events where like I think about three of 131 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:37.519 the astronauts have some kinds of encounter and each time 132 00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:40.040 they're like, hey, that reminds me of something when I 133 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:42.439 was a kid, you know, I got a point one 134 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:45.759 of them out, Zach. Okay, so a couple of these 135 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:49.199 things have happened, and they're all like, so what's going 136 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:53.800 on here? And I'll read you the actual dialogue. What 137 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:56.680 do you think is going on on this planet? Maybe 138 00:07:56.720 --> 00:08:00.240 it's the afterlife? This definitely isn't heaven, that's for sure. 139 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:03.079 The best we could hope for. It is some kind 140 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:12.160 of limbo or pregatory someplace in between. A twilight zone. 141 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:15.279 That dropped like a bit of a brick for me. 142 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:20.199 Thank you. Okay, because you know in the intro right 143 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:22.720 there is no hint of a rod Serling in this 144 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:25.199 you know, an issue one there was the guy under 145 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:27.360 the umbrella like with a drink and I assume a 146 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:31.120 cigarette because that's his signature. There was none of that. 147 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:33.360 And then it doesn't end with in the twilight zone. 148 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:35.720 I said, oh, okay, I guess we're not doing that 149 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:38.480 season early season one style, insrows. We're not dropping the 150 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:40.919 towilights on that, fine, but then you gotta drop it 151 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:44.240 like we're some kind of suicide squad. That's what we're 152 00:08:44.279 --> 00:08:47.440 doing here. I did not like that line either time. 153 00:08:47.480 --> 00:08:49.879 I'm glad. We seem to be in alignment on that. 154 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:54.799 Even better one than the suicide squads. Christopher walk in 155 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:57.840 A View to a kill. Look at the view A 156 00:08:57.919 --> 00:09:02.159 view to a kill? You know, it's like there's no 157 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:04.720 view to a kill. I'm sorry, no one says that. 158 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:07.320 But it's then that it's it is kind of like 159 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:09.679 death ship because they're rolling through all the possible Oh, 160 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:13.080 maybe we're dead, maybe it's blimbo, maybe it's yeah. Also, 161 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:16.679 I have to point out this is ripping off a 162 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:20.519 very famous Star Trek Original series episode. It's called Shore Leave. 163 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:23.320 They go to a planet. You know, the first thing 164 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:25.919 they see on this planet is a giant rabbit from 165 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:29.120 Alice in underline. I'm like, oh, okay, and the whole 166 00:09:29.320 --> 00:09:31.279 crux of that is what we're going to get into here. 167 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:35.279 What the planet does its function like? This is straight 168 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:38.639 up sure Leave an episode of the first season of 169 00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:41.039 Star Trek Original series, So just throw that out there. 170 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:44.039 I feel like genre like genre fans who are really 171 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:46.240 tuned into that will immediately identify this. 172 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:50.360 Before we get to that kind of what the planet is. Yeah, 173 00:09:51.879 --> 00:09:54.919 I also have to talk about this next encounter because 174 00:09:55.279 --> 00:09:57.919 because when they are exploring, they will come across something 175 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:01.440 and be like, oh my goodness, what's that. Now they're 176 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:05.679 driving along in their little moon buggy thing, and one 177 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:09.080 of them says, stopped her over, And you see like 178 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:14.159 this space creature whacking another kind of space creature that 179 00:10:14.200 --> 00:10:19.200 looks vaguely feminine with a stick. So one of the 180 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:23.200 space guys comes down and he shoulder charges this alien 181 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:26.639 that's beaten the woman with a stick. And so the 182 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:30.399 other astronaut says, to what happened here? Okay, So the 183 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:33.279 astronaut says, I don't know. It reminded me of something. 184 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:35.200 When I was a kid. My dad woke us up 185 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:37.519 out of bed in the middle of the night. He 186 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:40.639 was screaming his head off, ranting and raving about what 187 00:10:40.840 --> 00:10:43.919 a mess the house was. He made us clean up 188 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:46.159 in the middle of the night, a school night, but 189 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:48.840 I tell you there was nothing to clean. My mom 190 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:51.679 got down on all fours and started scrubbing the carpet, 191 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:55.720 scrubbing the carpet. We just wanted them to stop. We 192 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:58.679 didn't know what to do. I don't think he did either. 193 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:01.759 He grabbed his pool cue and started beating her with it. 194 00:11:02.320 --> 00:11:05.120 I just stood there and watched. Don't get me wrong. 195 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:08.120 My dad was a great guy, but he'd have these moments. 196 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:13.679 This reminded me of that. I mean, clearly he is 197 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:16.840 channeling some terrible memories from when he was a child. 198 00:11:17.039 --> 00:11:19.120 Domestic violence has nothing to laugh about. 199 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:22.559 Well when he presented in this way, yeah, oh well, 200 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:24.600 I mean he was a great guy. He just had 201 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:26.480 a long day at work. I'm like, that's the kind 202 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:28.000 of like, what do we talk? Why are we waving 203 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:32.000 off this? This obviously traumatic The story itself acknowledges is 204 00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:34.559 traumatic because it's bringing up this traumatic memory. This guy 205 00:11:34.600 --> 00:11:38.000 acts on it. But it's like, y'all, although I feel 206 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:39.960 like this is something they might have said in the fifties, 207 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:42.759 I mean I don't maybe give it that. Maybe maybe 208 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:45.919 that's what they were trying to do but they failed. 209 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:49.960 Uh huh. Yeah. It's just I don't know, man, it's 210 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:55.879 just really an odd moment. You know, maybe the character 211 00:11:56.120 --> 00:11:58.840 was trying to deal with these things. Oh but it's 212 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:02.320 my dad, you know, and you love your dad, but 213 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:04.759 he's doing these terrible things, and you know, I kind 214 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:08.240 of get that, but it's hard to have that nuance 215 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:12.960 on one page after he's you know, had this kind 216 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:16.639 of monologue so I think maybe it would have been 217 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:20.440 better without the great guy comments at the end. You know, so, 218 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:25.320 I think I was on the same page. Okay, now 219 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:28.600 it's here that all hell breaks loose. You have all 220 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:32.519 kinds of creatures start attacking them. They get taken away 221 00:12:32.600 --> 00:12:38.240 to some kind of courtroom like the space court, where 222 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:41.879 they are put on trial because the guy who he 223 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:45.600 shoulder charged, who was hitting the creature with the stick, 224 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:48.039 has I think it died. 225 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:51.399 Yes, they accused him of murder. 226 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:55.159 And I think they get sentenced, and they get taken 227 00:12:55.200 --> 00:12:59.279 away to some kind of chamber or something, but they 228 00:12:59.320 --> 00:13:02.639 managed to gape. We won't go into all the details. 229 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:06.080 By the way, if you've not read the comic, spoilers 230 00:13:06.759 --> 00:13:09.720 are going to be all throughout this, and they managed 231 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:13.159 to escape. But then sorry, I'm just scrolling through. There's 232 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:18.639 a few pages of wackiness here, like giant carrots trying 233 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:23.519 to eat them, that kind of stuff. And then what 234 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:28.200 we get to in the end is that these sort 235 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:30.679 of we've seen all kinds of wacky creatures through this, 236 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:33.799 but a group of aliens who all are kind of uniform, 237 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:38.879 they're just say, okay, stop listen, We're sorry about this. 238 00:13:38.879 --> 00:13:42.679 This planet is a kind of vacation planet. People come 239 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:46.639 here and it will form itself around whatever. You know, 240 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:49.720 your desires are, whatever you want to do to unwind. 241 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:53.879 But you humans, you humans have got some problems, okay, 242 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:57.559 and we weren't prepared for that, you know. And they 243 00:13:57.600 --> 00:14:02.159 talk about the kind of psychological baggage we all carry. 244 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:06.600 We're still quite a violent people, and so on and 245 00:14:06.639 --> 00:14:07.279 so forth. 246 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:10.399 There is a lot of talking. But yeah, there was 247 00:14:10.480 --> 00:14:14.320 a lot of like and again, we love the toilet zone. 248 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:16.919 We love dialogue, we love back and forth, we love 249 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:21.440 exploring these these high minded ideas and societal and cultural 250 00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:24.840 stuff like what what is humanity? And all right, love that, right, 251 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:27.519 But if you're reading a comic book and it's like 252 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:32.919 there are four pages of just dialogue, bubble, dialogue, bubble, 253 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:37.000 that's just just explanation, exposition, explanation, exposition. I found it 254 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:41.039 quite long, which which you know, calling back to how 255 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:43.720 I started off the conversation. Hey, it felt longer than 256 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:45.120 the first one. So there's that. 257 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:49.559 Yeah, there is that. And you know this idea that 258 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:52.759 they're like, whoa hold on the man? It We see 259 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:55.600 this a lot in science fiction storyes. You humans and 260 00:14:55.639 --> 00:14:58.720 your ways you know, blah blah blah, you're still walking. 261 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:02.720 Like anyone we haven't before you were a young savage race. Yeah, 262 00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:04.639 I mean like this is like a dozen episodes of 263 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:05.799 Star Trek as well, by the. 264 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:10.799 Way, So yeah, yeah, so on brand for fifties or 265 00:15:10.840 --> 00:15:13.320 sixties sci fi, you know. And I kind of like 266 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:16.480 the idea of it that everyone else has got this 267 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:18.960 stuff worked out. But then when we go, it's just 268 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:22.240 like the planet doesn't know what's going on, so it 269 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:25.440 just goes a little bit crazy. I'm kind of talking 270 00:15:25.480 --> 00:15:27.879 myself into liking this issue a bit more than I 271 00:15:27.919 --> 00:15:31.480 did when I first read it. But well, we'll come 272 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:35.639 to our overall thoughts in a moment. But basically what 273 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:39.919 happens is these creatures say, listen, we know what you're like. 274 00:15:40.039 --> 00:15:43.519 Now we can change the sort of algorithm or whatever 275 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:46.720 so that you can stay. You can work your stuff 276 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:49.159 out here. You could be here for the century if 277 00:15:49.159 --> 00:15:53.399 you wanted to. And most of them are like, sounds great, 278 00:15:53.600 --> 00:15:56.399 let's do it. But I think it's the guy who 279 00:15:56.519 --> 00:15:59.360 was the like the caretaker guy at the beginning watching 280 00:15:59.440 --> 00:15:59.840 over them. 281 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:03.159 He's like, no, not for me, Okay, was that the 282 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:05.440 same guy? Because I actually went back and was looking 283 00:16:05.480 --> 00:16:07.399 around because I read it once and I looked it 284 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:11.200 over again before this conversation, obviously, and I was like, oh, 285 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:14.039 that makes sense. I mean, it's it's very it's not 286 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:16.759 made very clear in the story, honestly, maybe you know what. 287 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:18.639 And as much as we like it being in black 288 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:20.480 and white, that might be a factor as well, because 289 00:16:20.480 --> 00:16:22.799 we got just four dudes who look pretty much identical 290 00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:24.639 and then a woman. I'm not sure who's who. 291 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:26.759 Yeah, but it makes sense that there's names. 292 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:30.879 Yeah, right, so you get to the end, and we'll 293 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:32.440 get to it here just in a second. But like 294 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:35.200 it book ends because we open with this guy and 295 00:16:35.240 --> 00:16:37.600 we close with the same guy. That makes sense, But 296 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:39.879 at no point is it ever made clear or any 297 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:42.519 connections made to like, oh, that's the guy from the 298 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:44.600 beginning who wants to say I just said, oh, one 299 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:47.000 of the five of them wants to stay. I wants 300 00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:48.639 to oh, one of the five that wants to leave? 301 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:50.840 Excuse me? Okay, sure. 302 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:53.120 So when he gets back to it, as he's clearly 303 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:55.519 got some questions to answer, where is the rest of 304 00:16:55.559 --> 00:16:58.399 the crew, and he's sitting down to a couple of 305 00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:01.799 you know, maybe superior officers or whatever, and he's saying, 306 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:04.720 you think I'm crazy, don't you You think I've lost my mind. 307 00:17:04.759 --> 00:17:06.799 You think I came up with a cock and bull story, 308 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:10.960 but I swear it's all true, every word. And one 309 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:13.519 of the people says, it sounds like an intense experience, 310 00:17:13.559 --> 00:17:17.119 but you must understand our skepticism. And the guy says, 311 00:17:17.119 --> 00:17:19.039 it's like a cult up there. You don't get it. 312 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:21.240 They're up there living their best life, and you're treating 313 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:23.640 me like I'm a nut. They begged me to let 314 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:26.519 them stay on that rock. If I didn't leave when 315 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:29.680 I did, they might have forced us to stay with them. 316 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:34.759 And basically we're left with I don't know, is it sort. 317 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:39.799 Of Is it supposed to be ambiguous? Yeah, if they 318 00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:42.200 told a different story in the middle, then maybe, But 319 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:44.160 I don't. I mean, like, I don't like I think. Look, 320 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:47.720 I was I really enjoyed the intro, and I actually 321 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:50.240 did enjoy the outro. It's all the middle stuff. I 322 00:17:50.319 --> 00:17:52.519 was like, this is stuff I've seen a hundred times, 323 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:54.480 and it's very strange. And I don't think they're hitting 324 00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:56.599 what they think they are, or at least, you know, 325 00:17:56.799 --> 00:17:59.559 succeeding what they're trying to do. But I think it's 326 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:02.119 really interesting that at the ends it's the guy trying 327 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:05.319 to explain like he because it's also it's not it's all. 328 00:18:05.720 --> 00:18:09.079 It's also a therapy planet, more even more so than 329 00:18:09.119 --> 00:18:11.400 like an amusement park planet. And he's like, I don't 330 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:13.200 need to stay here and work through this stuff. And 331 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:14.759 he goes back to Earth and they're like, whoa, he's 332 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:16.400 gotta take him years of therapy to get over this. 333 00:18:16.440 --> 00:18:19.720 And I thought, oh, that's some sort of ironic cosmic twist. 334 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:21.440 The guy left the place, now he's back where he is. 335 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:24.519 It was interesting that they didn't believe him. But I 336 00:18:24.559 --> 00:18:27.279 don't know how does that inform his character or the 337 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:29.319 whole story, Like there's a way you could tell that story, 338 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:31.799 Like I don't maybe they should have like had the 339 00:18:31.839 --> 00:18:33.880 whole framing device of him in this room and people 340 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:36.920 ask him questions and then maybe wrap back around to this. 341 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:39.960 Don't but I did like that kind of like got 342 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:41.960 me like, oh that was that was cool. I liked 343 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:44.359 I liked ending on that beat. I just don't know 344 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:46.480 if it all weaved together as well as it could have, 345 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:50.960 because yeah, it's it is. I like the ambiguous ones. 346 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:52.519 I toilet zones. There's not a lot of them, but 347 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:55.640 those are interesting. They create more conversation. And but I 348 00:18:55.680 --> 00:18:58.519 think no, no put intended. It's all black and white, 349 00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:01.480 like all that stuff happened. I mean, that's well, there 350 00:19:01.519 --> 00:19:03.960 was no reason for us to think this guy made 351 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:04.640 up the story. 352 00:19:05.680 --> 00:19:09.519 Yeah, I mean, I think they're implying that maybe he's 353 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:13.279 sort of lost his mind a little bit. That So 354 00:19:13.359 --> 00:19:16.799 I don't know, because you know, if it was me 355 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:19.119 and that happened, I would come back and be like, 356 00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:21.160 there's no way I'm telling them that happened. I was 357 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:22.680 just going to say that the rover fell off a 358 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:26.480 cliff or something. You know, That's that's the way I 359 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:28.480 would tend to go. But I think they're implying that 360 00:19:28.599 --> 00:19:32.519 he's left them all behind and then gone mad a 361 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:35.400 little because he's left them all behind. But I'm not 362 00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:37.480 sure it sets up a reason why he would leave 363 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:38.400 them all behind and. 364 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:41.400 Come exactly exactly. Yeah, they could have delved into this 365 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:43.839 guy's frustrated his job at the beginning, Like they really 366 00:19:43.839 --> 00:19:46.720 could have, like like cut again the twilight zone ahead 367 00:19:46.720 --> 00:19:49.880 two or three people on these astronaut trips. There's a 368 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:52.319 reason for that you cut all that extra fat. Yeah, 369 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:55.839 three people, right, the one guy comes back, he's frustrated. 370 00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:58.640 Maybe he did. But even the end, even the who 371 00:19:58.680 --> 00:20:02.000 we can assume is the Rodsling, it's a happy ending 372 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:04.440 that could only happen in the Twilight Zone. I'm like 373 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:06.960 a happy ending. Like I thought, you're trying to be 374 00:20:06.960 --> 00:20:08.640 all ambiguous about it. Now are you telling me it's 375 00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:11.079 a halfy ending? So it's just it's messy. I like 376 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:13.519 some of the elements here. I like I like the setup, 377 00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:15.920 I like the closing. I like ambiguity they're trying to 378 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:19.240 go for. But I just it's none of it connects 379 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:21.640 with each other, with each other, and we're sitting here 380 00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:24.799 asking these questions about like why would this guy kill 381 00:20:24.839 --> 00:20:26.880 everybody and leave him on the planet. I don't know, 382 00:20:28.359 --> 00:20:31.319 So yeah, there it is. And then in the middle, 383 00:20:31.359 --> 00:20:34.240 I just like I was like, guys, this is you're 384 00:20:34.279 --> 00:20:36.880 making this way too complicated, like when because there and 385 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:40.319 there's no way. Also, there's no way they could have 386 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:43.279 made this episode. It's an original Twilight Zone episode with 387 00:20:43.359 --> 00:20:46.160 all these monsters and aliens and stuff, like you know, 388 00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:48.240 you gotta simplify it, like like it would have been 389 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:50.039 different if he saw like a rabbit, but no, he 390 00:20:50.079 --> 00:20:52.799 saw like a rabbit monster and he just sees like 391 00:20:52.839 --> 00:20:54.759 a bug. No, it's like a moth monster. And then 392 00:20:54.759 --> 00:20:57.599 all that aliens, these giant vegetable monsters. I'm like, and 393 00:20:57.599 --> 00:20:59.960 I don't. Maybe that's not being fair to it. Maybe 394 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:02.799 the prerequisite is not this should have been able to 395 00:21:02.839 --> 00:21:05.240 have been an episode of the show. Maybe it should be. Look, 396 00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:07.680 we can accomplish show all these things we could never 397 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:10.039 do on the show because there's no budget. True, but 398 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:11.839 it was all just kind of weird, Like I just 399 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:14.640 didn't They're finding like Godzilla looking monsters at some point 400 00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:16.640 with like some kind of radio device, and like, what 401 00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:20.200