Speaker 1: At the end of twenty twenty five, we were introduced
Speaker 1: to the new Twilight Zone comic series by IDW or
Speaker 1: id Dark as they are calling this imprint, and we
Speaker 1: had generally positive feelings about that faced issue. But tonight
Speaker 1: we tackle issue too, And tonight I am joined as
Speaker 1: ever by my man in the comic shop, mister Zach Moore.
Speaker 2: Zach, welcome back, hellother Tom happy to be here.
Speaker 1: So, Zach, I think we were generally positive less time, right,
Speaker 1: you know, a few things to be discussed, maybe an
Speaker 1: art style in that comic that we would have been
Speaker 1: unsure of, and also there was the kind of issue
Speaker 1: of brevity. It felt like really quick. But I think
Speaker 1: within that we generally liked that story, didn't we.
Speaker 2: I did. I was the one who was a little
Speaker 2: more critical of the art work, and you're right, I
Speaker 2: do remember feeling like, oh man, they went by fast,
Speaker 2: and yeah, I feel like this one issue too makes
Speaker 2: me appreciate Issue one even more.
Speaker 1: Time in the sense of that this felt.
Speaker 2: Faster, well you know, it felt longer.
Speaker 1: So that's out the way.
Speaker 2: Despite what we may say about the content itself, I
Speaker 2: did like the approach of the art style. I'll say
Speaker 2: that it felt more, you know, twide zones in the
Speaker 2: fifties and sixties. It feels like more fifties and sixties
Speaker 2: kind of artwork than Issue number one. Well that's how
Speaker 2: I felt about that. That is my follow up on
Speaker 2: my criticisms of issue one. They have been addressed here
Speaker 2: an issue two. But we did enjoy blanks was issue
Speaker 2: number one. We enjoyed that quite a bit. I believe
Speaker 2: one of the stronger things for me when I look
Speaker 2: at this tie in material, I'm like, could this have
Speaker 2: been an episode of the Twilight Zone? And I thought, sure,
Speaker 2: absolutely that that could have been an episode of the
Speaker 2: Twilet Zone. Issue one. We'll talk about what we think
Speaker 2: about Issue two.
Speaker 1: Okay, so this one is called A World of Your
Speaker 1: Wildest Dreams. The writer, artist and letterer is Tom Showley,
Speaker 1: and I kind of like that, Zach. You know that
Speaker 1: this issue and the next issue. I'm not sure about
Speaker 1: issue four, which is also out at the time of recording,
Speaker 1: but those two issues, at least issues two and three,
Speaker 1: they've handed it over to a single creator and said,
Speaker 1: there you go, do your Twilight Zone story, which I
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, let's see what someone has
Speaker 1: to say.
Speaker 2: I agree I think have that singular creative vision is interesting.
Speaker 2: You know a lot of comic book writers and artists
Speaker 2: are mutually exclusive, right, but some of them can do everything.
Speaker 2: And that's that's fun that you know you love it
Speaker 2: hate it somewhere between. You know that this was someone's
Speaker 2: vision start to finish, top to bottom.
Speaker 1: So the way this story starts it is a very
Speaker 1: Twilight Zone setup. I'm thinking elergy, I'm thinking death ship.
Speaker 1: We just got a bunch of guys and a woman
Speaker 1: on a ship. Most of them are in cry of sleep.
Speaker 1: But we got this one guy kind of watching over things,
Speaker 1: having a little grumble about the lot he has in life,
Speaker 1: about this this terrible job. And I think this is
Speaker 1: very Twilight Zone, where you know, there's no differentiation between
Speaker 1: like astronauts or like, you know, the guy who who
Speaker 1: drives a truck. They're just all the same. Which I
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, our astronauts are all like
Speaker 1: American hero and this and that from the military or whatever.
Speaker 1: But these guys, you drive a truck, you drive a spaceship,
Speaker 1: it's all the same. And I kind of like that.
Speaker 2: Look, that's the future, that's the future. We can all
Speaker 2: aspire towards right, and even the kind of the vernacular
Speaker 2: terminology and some of the dialogue. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: this feels like it's straight out of the fifties. So
Speaker 2: I really like this setup of the story. Also, if
Speaker 2: you see in the movie Alien, which I'm sure people
Speaker 2: listening to this podcast have seen, that is the first
Speaker 2: scene where all the pods open up and people come
Speaker 2: out and that sort of thing. But yeah, I really
Speaker 2: liked those episodes where there's like two or three people
Speaker 2: on a spaceship and they go somewhere, and I feel
Speaker 2: like they did that a lot on the Twilight Zone,
Speaker 2: and so this set up perfect right in line with
Speaker 2: what I would expect from a Twilight Zone story.
Speaker 1: Okay, so these people learned on a planet. I can't
Speaker 1: remember what exactly the mission was.
Speaker 2: Get geological surveys and rocks and minerals and resources. I
Speaker 2: think they talked about that, but that's basically yeah.
Speaker 1: That's right. You know, they must have got to the
Speaker 1: point where space travel is relatively cheap, fuel is cheap,
Speaker 1: so they'll spend billions to go and get some min rules.
Speaker 2: It's almost like sending criminals on a life sentence across
Speaker 2: the Solar system that's much more efficient.
Speaker 1: Absolutely great twilight Zone logic. And I mean, let's before
Speaker 1: we get into the story proper. I don't think you
Speaker 1: can critique a comic book without talking about the artwork.
Speaker 1: And I find this is I'm very divided on it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I like the vehicles. I like, you know, the outfits
Speaker 1: has got a very Twilight Zone feel, like they're all
Speaker 1: just in jumpsuits, you know what I mean, and that
Speaker 1: that's the way it tends to be. The actual detail
Speaker 1: of the features and things. I don't know, man, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure I like this artwork too much.
Speaker 2: But okay, so you're me from my time now. Well,
Speaker 2: I just felt like this looks like you'd see in
Speaker 2: a comic book, in like a nineteen sixty comic book, right,
Speaker 2: just kind of square jawed, clean cut professionals here in
Speaker 2: their spaceships and their laser guns and their space like
Speaker 2: it fit I think. And in the other one issue one,
Speaker 2: I mean, it was it was different. It was it
Speaker 2: was it was an artistic choice they had on everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, highly stylized.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is this is stylized in its own way.
Speaker 2: Now when it when it when we start seeing other
Speaker 2: things in the story. I'm like, I don't know, guys,
Speaker 2: but as far as the humans and the technology and
Speaker 2: all that, I liked that. I think it fit in
Speaker 2: well with what they're with what I think they're trying
Speaker 2: to do with these comics.
Speaker 1: They land on this planet, they start to explore. Thankfully,
Speaker 1: in true Twilight Zone fashion, the air is breathable, so
Speaker 1: no problems there. Again, very on brand for the Twilight Zone.
Speaker 1: But they start to encounter things. First of all, it's
Speaker 1: like this sort of jackalope type creature, and one of
Speaker 1: the astronauts is like, hey, that reminds me of something
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, and what was it? Like?
Speaker 1: A rabbit and run over by a car?
Speaker 2: A rabbit in their backyard. Their parents will let them
Speaker 2: keep it as a pet because of allergies. And then
Speaker 2: oh yeah, then my parents accidentally hit it with their
Speaker 2: car when they were backing out of the driveway. I'm like,
Speaker 2: that was unnecessarily dark. Did we have to go there?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, it's also sets us up into like this
Speaker 1: sequence of events where like I think about three of
Speaker 1: the astronauts have some kinds of encounter and each time
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, that reminds me of something when I
Speaker 1: was a kid, you know, I got a point one
Speaker 1: of them out, Zach. Okay, so a couple of these
Speaker 1: things have happened, and they're all like, so what's going
Speaker 1: on here? And I'll read you the actual dialogue. What
Speaker 1: do you think is going on on this planet? Maybe
Speaker 1: it's the afterlife? This definitely isn't heaven, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: The best we could hope for. It is some kind
Speaker 1: of limbo or pregatory someplace in between. A twilight zone.
Speaker 1: That dropped like a bit of a brick for me.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Okay, because you know in the intro right
Speaker 2: there is no hint of a rod Serling in this
Speaker 2: you know, an issue one there was the guy under
Speaker 2: the umbrella like with a drink and I assume a
Speaker 2: cigarette because that's his signature. There was none of that.
Speaker 2: And then it doesn't end with in the twilight zone.
Speaker 2: I said, oh, okay, I guess we're not doing that
Speaker 2: season early season one style, insrows. We're not dropping the
Speaker 2: towilights on that, fine, but then you gotta drop it
Speaker 2: like we're some kind of suicide squad. That's what we're
Speaker 2: doing here. I did not like that line either time.
Speaker 2: I'm glad. We seem to be in alignment on that.
Speaker 1: Even better one than the suicide squads. Christopher walk in
Speaker 1: A View to a kill. Look at the view A
Speaker 1: view to a kill? You know, it's like there's no
Speaker 1: view to a kill. I'm sorry, no one says that.
Speaker 2: But it's then that it's it is kind of like
Speaker 2: death ship because they're rolling through all the possible Oh,
Speaker 2: maybe we're dead, maybe it's blimbo, maybe it's yeah. Also,
Speaker 2: I have to point out this is ripping off a
Speaker 2: very famous Star Trek Original series episode. It's called Shore Leave.
Speaker 2: They go to a planet. You know, the first thing
Speaker 2: they see on this planet is a giant rabbit from
Speaker 2: Alice in underline. I'm like, oh, okay, and the whole
Speaker 2: crux of that is what we're going to get into here.
Speaker 2: What the planet does its function like? This is straight
Speaker 2: up sure Leave an episode of the first season of
Speaker 2: Star Trek Original series, So just throw that out there.
Speaker 2: I feel like genre like genre fans who are really
Speaker 2: tuned into that will immediately identify this.
Speaker 1: Before we get to that kind of what the planet is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I also have to talk about this next encounter because
Speaker 1: because when they are exploring, they will come across something
Speaker 1: and be like, oh my goodness, what's that. Now they're
Speaker 1: driving along in their little moon buggy thing, and one
Speaker 1: of them says, stopped her over, And you see like
Speaker 1: this space creature whacking another kind of space creature that
Speaker 1: looks vaguely feminine with a stick. So one of the
Speaker 1: space guys comes down and he shoulder charges this alien
Speaker 1: that's beaten the woman with a stick. And so the
Speaker 1: other astronaut says, to what happened here? Okay, So the
Speaker 1: astronaut says, I don't know. It reminded me of something.
Speaker 1: When I was a kid. My dad woke us up
Speaker 1: out of bed in the middle of the night. He
Speaker 1: was screaming his head off, ranting and raving about what
Speaker 1: a mess the house was. He made us clean up
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, a school night, but
Speaker 1: I tell you there was nothing to clean. My mom
Speaker 1: got down on all fours and started scrubbing the carpet,
Speaker 1: scrubbing the carpet. We just wanted them to stop. We
Speaker 1: didn't know what to do. I don't think he did either.
Speaker 1: He grabbed his pool cue and started beating her with it.
Speaker 1: I just stood there and watched. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: My dad was a great guy, but he'd have these moments.
Speaker 1: This reminded me of that. I mean, clearly he is
Speaker 1: channeling some terrible memories from when he was a child.
Speaker 1: Domestic violence has nothing to laugh about.
Speaker 2: Well when he presented in this way, yeah, oh well,
Speaker 2: I mean he was a great guy. He just had
Speaker 2: a long day at work. I'm like, that's the kind
Speaker 2: of like, what do we talk? Why are we waving
Speaker 2: off this? This obviously traumatic The story itself acknowledges is
Speaker 2: traumatic because it's bringing up this traumatic memory. This guy
Speaker 2: acts on it. But it's like, y'all, although I feel
Speaker 2: like this is something they might have said in the fifties,
Speaker 2: I mean I don't maybe give it that. Maybe maybe
Speaker 2: that's what they were trying to do but they failed.
Speaker 1: Uh huh. Yeah. It's just I don't know, man, it's
Speaker 1: just really an odd moment. You know, maybe the character
Speaker 1: was trying to deal with these things. Oh but it's
Speaker 1: my dad, you know, and you love your dad, but
Speaker 1: he's doing these terrible things, and you know, I kind
Speaker 1: of get that, but it's hard to have that nuance
Speaker 1: on one page after he's you know, had this kind
Speaker 1: of monologue so I think maybe it would have been
Speaker 1: better without the great guy comments at the end. You know, so,
Speaker 1: I think I was on the same page. Okay, now
Speaker 1: it's here that all hell breaks loose. You have all
Speaker 1: kinds of creatures start attacking them. They get taken away
Speaker 1: to some kind of courtroom like the space court, where
Speaker 1: they are put on trial because the guy who he
Speaker 1: shoulder charged, who was hitting the creature with the stick,
Speaker 1: has I think it died.
Speaker 2: Yes, they accused him of murder.
Speaker 1: And I think they get sentenced, and they get taken
Speaker 1: away to some kind of chamber or something, but they
Speaker 1: managed to gape. We won't go into all the details.
Speaker 1: By the way, if you've not read the comic, spoilers
Speaker 1: are going to be all throughout this, and they managed
Speaker 1: to escape. But then sorry, I'm just scrolling through. There's
Speaker 1: a few pages of wackiness here, like giant carrots trying
Speaker 1: to eat them, that kind of stuff. And then what
Speaker 1: we get to in the end is that these sort
Speaker 1: of we've seen all kinds of wacky creatures through this,
Speaker 1: but a group of aliens who all are kind of uniform,
Speaker 1: they're just say, okay, stop listen, We're sorry about this.
Speaker 1: This planet is a kind of vacation planet. People come
Speaker 1: here and it will form itself around whatever. You know,
Speaker 1: your desires are, whatever you want to do to unwind.
Speaker 1: But you humans, you humans have got some problems, okay,
Speaker 1: and we weren't prepared for that, you know. And they
Speaker 1: talk about the kind of psychological baggage we all carry.
Speaker 1: We're still quite a violent people, and so on and
Speaker 1: so forth.
Speaker 2: There is a lot of talking. But yeah, there was
Speaker 2: a lot of like and again, we love the toilet zone.
Speaker 2: We love dialogue, we love back and forth, we love
Speaker 2: exploring these these high minded ideas and societal and cultural
Speaker 2: stuff like what what is humanity? And all right, love that, right,
Speaker 2: But if you're reading a comic book and it's like
Speaker 2: there are four pages of just dialogue, bubble, dialogue, bubble,
Speaker 2: that's just just explanation, exposition, explanation, exposition. I found it
Speaker 2: quite long, which which you know, calling back to how
Speaker 2: I started off the conversation. Hey, it felt longer than
Speaker 2: the first one. So there's that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is that. And you know this idea that
Speaker 1: they're like, whoa hold on the man? It We see
Speaker 1: this a lot in science fiction storyes. You humans and
Speaker 1: your ways you know, blah blah blah, you're still walking.
Speaker 2: Like anyone we haven't before you were a young savage race. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean like this is like a dozen episodes of
Speaker 2: Star Trek as well, by the.
Speaker 1: Way, So yeah, yeah, so on brand for fifties or
Speaker 1: sixties sci fi, you know. And I kind of like
Speaker 1: the idea of it that everyone else has got this
Speaker 1: stuff worked out. But then when we go, it's just
Speaker 1: like the planet doesn't know what's going on, so it
Speaker 1: just goes a little bit crazy. I'm kind of talking
Speaker 1: myself into liking this issue a bit more than I
Speaker 1: did when I first read it. But well, we'll come
Speaker 1: to our overall thoughts in a moment. But basically what
Speaker 1: happens is these creatures say, listen, we know what you're like.
Speaker 1: Now we can change the sort of algorithm or whatever
Speaker 1: so that you can stay. You can work your stuff
Speaker 1: out here. You could be here for the century if
Speaker 1: you wanted to. And most of them are like, sounds great,
Speaker 1: let's do it. But I think it's the guy who
Speaker 1: was the like the caretaker guy at the beginning watching
Speaker 1: over them.
Speaker 2: He's like, no, not for me, Okay, was that the
Speaker 2: same guy? Because I actually went back and was looking
Speaker 2: around because I read it once and I looked it
Speaker 2: over again before this conversation, obviously, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: that makes sense. I mean, it's it's very it's not
Speaker 2: made very clear in the story, honestly, maybe you know what.
Speaker 2: And as much as we like it being in black
Speaker 2: and white, that might be a factor as well, because
Speaker 2: we got just four dudes who look pretty much identical
Speaker 2: and then a woman. I'm not sure who's who.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it makes sense that there's names.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, so you get to the end, and we'll
Speaker 2: get to it here just in a second. But like
Speaker 2: it book ends because we open with this guy and
Speaker 2: we close with the same guy. That makes sense, But
Speaker 2: at no point is it ever made clear or any
Speaker 2: connections made to like, oh, that's the guy from the
Speaker 2: beginning who wants to say I just said, oh, one
Speaker 2: of the five of them wants to stay. I wants
Speaker 2: to oh, one of the five that wants to leave?
Speaker 2: Excuse me? Okay, sure.
Speaker 1: So when he gets back to it, as he's clearly
Speaker 1: got some questions to answer, where is the rest of
Speaker 1: the crew, and he's sitting down to a couple of
Speaker 1: you know, maybe superior officers or whatever, and he's saying,
Speaker 1: you think I'm crazy, don't you You think I've lost my mind.
Speaker 1: You think I came up with a cock and bull story,
Speaker 1: but I swear it's all true, every word. And one
Speaker 1: of the people says, it sounds like an intense experience,
Speaker 1: but you must understand our skepticism. And the guy says,
Speaker 1: it's like a cult up there. You don't get it.
Speaker 1: They're up there living their best life, and you're treating
Speaker 1: me like I'm a nut. They begged me to let
Speaker 1: them stay on that rock. If I didn't leave when
Speaker 1: I did, they might have forced us to stay with them.
Speaker 1: And basically we're left with I don't know, is it sort.
Speaker 2: Of Is it supposed to be ambiguous? Yeah, if they
Speaker 2: told a different story in the middle, then maybe, But
Speaker 2: I don't. I mean, like, I don't like I think. Look,
Speaker 2: I was I really enjoyed the intro, and I actually
Speaker 2: did enjoy the outro. It's all the middle stuff. I
Speaker 2: was like, this is stuff I've seen a hundred times,
Speaker 2: and it's very strange. And I don't think they're hitting
Speaker 2: what they think they are, or at least, you know,
Speaker 2: succeeding what they're trying to do. But I think it's
Speaker 2: really interesting that at the ends it's the guy trying
Speaker 2: to explain like he because it's also it's not it's all.
Speaker 2: It's also a therapy planet, more even more so than
Speaker 2: like an amusement park planet. And he's like, I don't
Speaker 2: need to stay here and work through this stuff. And
Speaker 2: he goes back to Earth and they're like, whoa, he's
Speaker 2: gotta take him years of therapy to get over this.
Speaker 2: And I thought, oh, that's some sort of ironic cosmic twist.
Speaker 2: The guy left the place, now he's back where he is.
Speaker 2: It was interesting that they didn't believe him. But I
Speaker 2: don't know how does that inform his character or the
Speaker 2: whole story, Like there's a way you could tell that story,
Speaker 2: Like I don't maybe they should have like had the
Speaker 2: whole framing device of him in this room and people
Speaker 2: ask him questions and then maybe wrap back around to this.
Speaker 2: Don't but I did like that kind of like got
Speaker 2: me like, oh that was that was cool. I liked
Speaker 2: I liked ending on that beat. I just don't know
Speaker 2: if it all weaved together as well as it could have,
Speaker 2: because yeah, it's it is. I like the ambiguous ones.
Speaker 2: I toilet zones. There's not a lot of them, but
Speaker 2: those are interesting. They create more conversation. And but I
Speaker 2: think no, no put intended. It's all black and white,
Speaker 2: like all that stuff happened. I mean, that's well, there
Speaker 2: was no reason for us to think this guy made
Speaker 2: up the story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think they're implying that maybe he's
Speaker 1: sort of lost his mind a little bit. That So
Speaker 1: I don't know, because you know, if it was me
Speaker 1: and that happened, I would come back and be like,
Speaker 1: there's no way I'm telling them that happened. I was
Speaker 1: just going to say that the rover fell off a
Speaker 1: cliff or something. You know, That's that's the way I
Speaker 1: would tend to go. But I think they're implying that
Speaker 1: he's left them all behind and then gone mad a
Speaker 1: little because he's left them all behind. But I'm not
Speaker 1: sure it sets up a reason why he would leave
Speaker 1: them all behind and.
Speaker 2: Come exactly exactly. Yeah, they could have delved into this
Speaker 2: guy's frustrated his job at the beginning, Like they really
Speaker 2: could have, like like cut again the twilight zone ahead
Speaker 2: two or three people on these astronaut trips. There's a
Speaker 2: reason for that you cut all that extra fat. Yeah,
Speaker 2: three people, right, the one guy comes back, he's frustrated.
Speaker 2: Maybe he did. But even the end, even the who
Speaker 2: we can assume is the Rodsling, it's a happy ending
Speaker 2: that could only happen in the Twilight Zone. I'm like
Speaker 2: a happy ending. Like I thought, you're trying to be
Speaker 2: all ambiguous about it. Now are you telling me it's
Speaker 2: a halfy ending? So it's just it's messy. I like
Speaker 2: some of the elements here. I like I like the setup,
Speaker 2: I like the closing. I like ambiguity they're trying to
Speaker 2: go for. But I just it's none of it connects
Speaker 2: with each other, with each other, and we're sitting here
Speaker 2: asking these questions about like why would this guy kill
Speaker 2: everybody and leave him on the planet. I don't know,
Speaker 2: So yeah, there it is. And then in the middle,
Speaker 2: I just like I was like, guys, this is you're
Speaker 2: making this way too complicated, like when because there and
Speaker 2: there's no way. Also, there's no way they could have
Speaker 2: made this episode. It's an original Twilight Zone episode with
Speaker 2: all these monsters and aliens and stuff, like you know,
Speaker 2: you gotta simplify it, like like it would have been
Speaker 2: different if he saw like a rabbit, but no, he
Speaker 2: saw like a rabbit monster and he just sees like
Speaker 2: a bug. No, it's like a moth monster. And then
Speaker 2: all that aliens, these giant vegetable monsters. I'm like, and
Speaker 2: I don't. Maybe that's not being fair to it. Maybe
Speaker 2: the prerequisite is not this should have been able to
Speaker 2: have been an episode of the show. Maybe it should be. Look,
Speaker 2: we can accomplish show all these things we could never
Speaker 2: do on the show because there's no budget. True, but
Speaker 2: it was all just kind of weird, Like I just
Speaker 2: didn't They're finding like Godzilla looking monsters at some point
Speaker 2: with like some kind of radio device, and like, what
Speaker 2: is going on? So oh man, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: might have liked it little more than you, but I
Speaker 2: also on the whole didn't enjoy it as a whole package.
Speaker 1: There's stuff to like in here. I think we're on
Speaker 1: the same page in that regard, Like the I like
Speaker 1: the overall conceit of Again, it's kind of cliche, I suppose,
Speaker 1: but it is very of that time, you know, humans
Speaker 1: land on the Planet's like, I'm not ready for you
Speaker 1: guys and your baggage. Sorry about that. So I like
Speaker 1: all that. I just think it could have been streamlined
Speaker 1: into something, you know, like you said, cut it down
Speaker 1: to like one or two guys and they go to
Speaker 1: this place that experience bearings and things maybe a little
Speaker 1: less wacky, you know than these guys experience, but stuff
Speaker 1: that is psychologically quite tortuous, and I think there's there's
Speaker 1: a good story at the core here. I just think
Speaker 1: this was was quite messy. As my overall thoughts on it.
Speaker 2: I did want to put out another direct comparison to
Speaker 2: that Star Trek episode I mentioned. In that episode, doctor
Speaker 2: McCoy gets killed by this Black Knight character that the
Speaker 2: planet makes up like he gets like a like a
Speaker 2: straight lance through him, and then he and then he disappears.
Speaker 2: He gets you know what happened to him. In the end,
Speaker 2: he pops up like, hey, everything's great, guys. He's got
Speaker 2: like a pretty woman on each arms. Hey, you know,
Speaker 2: And that's exactly what happens to this guy. He gets
Speaker 2: presumably eaten by a giant carrot, and then he comes
Speaker 2: in like drinking a milkshake at the end, having he's like, hey,
Speaker 2: it was great, Like that is exactly what happens in
Speaker 2: that Star Trek epis. So now, I know there's a
Speaker 2: lot of tropes, and like you said, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of the same beats I mean, but just to me,
Speaker 2: it was just so directly from that episode, because it's
Speaker 2: a planet where they go and they imagine things and
Speaker 2: they pop into their heads and people get killed. But
Speaker 2: it's hey, it's okay, guys, it's just you guys didn't
Speaker 2: know the rules. It's a it's an amusement park planet.
Speaker 2: To just keep that in mind, and I'm like, that
Speaker 2: is so, that's that's what this is. Like, it's it's
Speaker 2: I guess it's an homage. It's not a beat for
Speaker 2: beat rip off. But there's enough things where I was
Speaker 2: distracted and that was a lot better told story, honestly
Speaker 2: than this. So that's another factor. But yeah, no, they're
Speaker 2: like we've been we've been pretty down on it, but
Speaker 2: there is interesting stuff here. I just think the pieces
Speaker 2: just didn't fit together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm still of dumb mind. I actually talked myself
Speaker 1: into liking it a bit more, even though some of
Speaker 1: the stuff was just like kind of ridiculous. But hey,
Speaker 1: you know, it's on Sology comics, like Onstology television. It's
Speaker 1: it's always a mixed bag.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, and I do like and we both like
Speaker 2: the Jordan Peele Twilight Zone. We'round rather for that, which
Speaker 2: I don't know is that a hot take these days?
Speaker 2: I don't even know what the general consensus is. Who knows.
Speaker 1: Right, in ten years time, people will love that, They'll
Speaker 1: do another one and they'll be like, it's not like that.
Speaker 2: Jon and Gilbert think I got it. One of our
Speaker 2: criticisms of that though, was like, hey, everything's like in
Speaker 2: this not too distant future world, they don't do like
Speaker 2: Westerns and other planets and all that. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I admire the swing of like we're having people get
Speaker 2: in a spaceship and go to a planet and encounter
Speaker 2: some weird stuff. So that is very of the original
Speaker 2: show's DNA. So I respect them for that in this issue.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Okay, Well, let's just read the teaser for the
Speaker 1: next one. It says two bygone civilizations pursue a holy relic,
Speaker 1: for which both sides proudly kill and die. But in
Speaker 1: the Twilight Zone, nothing is ever as it appears at
Speaker 1: first glance. Now, the teaser of the cover there, I
Speaker 1: remember texting new Zac and saying, I don't like to
Speaker 1: look at this one. You know, this doesn't fit in
Speaker 1: my twilight zone. So I'm gonna be interested to see
Speaker 1: what we both think about on the next podcast. So
Speaker 1: before we go, tell us what's going on with you podcasts?
Speaker 1: Why is Zach?
Speaker 2: Yes? So always hold on a Smallville. We finished our
Speaker 2: episode by episode coverage, but currently in a project I'm
Speaker 2: calling Smallville the Ultimate Season. It is me in different
Speaker 2: panels of guests, new voices, old voys. As you've heard
Speaker 2: over the years on the podcast. We're getting together and
Speaker 2: we're determining the ultimate season of Smallville by going down
Speaker 2: each episode one of all ten seasons, each episode two
Speaker 2: of all ten seasons cool, and we're picking the best
Speaker 2: of those and then assembling the ultimate season of Smallville
Speaker 2: comprised of you know what episode number from each season. So,
Speaker 2: you know, a show runs that long for ten seasons,
Speaker 2: it gives you fun options like that, and so it's
Speaker 2: just kind of a fun recap celebration. It's kind of
Speaker 2: fun to see which ones people all agree on. You
Speaker 2: I'll get rid of those first, and then you know,
Speaker 2: we usually get it down to like two or three
Speaker 2: and have a good talk about which one is the
Speaker 2: ultimate one. So just a fun way to look back
Speaker 2: and celebrate the show. And that's what we're in the
Speaker 2: midst of right now. And you can find us on
Speaker 2: social media at always Malville with one.
Speaker 1: S Okay, I'm just putting it out there. I may
Speaker 1: steal that idea at the end of the twilight Zone.
Speaker 2: Well, you have my permissions. You just got to have
Speaker 2: me on a couple episodes and we'll call it even.
Speaker 1: To absolutely absolutely book. Considering how long the Twilight Zone
Speaker 1: seasons are, I'll probably be setting myself up for another
Speaker 1: five years of podcast and so we'll see, we'll see, Zach.
Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure my friend.
Speaker 2: Thanks Tom, see you next time, and.
Speaker 1: We will catch you next time here on the twilight
Speaker 1: Zone Podcast. Bye for now.