1 00:00:08,599 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't 2 00:00:10,839 --> 00:00:13,720 Be Serious Podcast d This week we are going back 3 00:00:13,759 --> 00:00:23,280 into nineties grunge and tackling Stone Temple Pilots say. 4 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: I am standing like a loan at somebody gave me 5 00:00:33,759 --> 00:00:38,840 because I needed a house. I don't know, it just 6 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:39,520 came out. 7 00:00:40,399 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: That's terrible. 8 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 3: We're gonna need a drug test on mile three. 9 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,119 Speaker 2: Welcome everybody to the Shirley You Can't Be Serious Podcast. 10 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,200 We are here to compare Stone Temple Pilot's Core to 11 00:01:02,399 --> 00:01:05,519 Allison Chain's Dirt. If you missed our last two episodes, 12 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,879 we covered the history of Alison Chain's beginning to Bitter 13 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:14,120 Bitter End, then we went through Dirt track by track, 14 00:01:14,439 --> 00:01:16,920 and today we are here to talk about the history 15 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,959 of Stone Timple Pilots and we will be covering Core 16 00:01:21,439 --> 00:01:25,359 track by track with our dear friend and longtime supporter 17 00:01:25,879 --> 00:01:26,519 Brad Moore. 18 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: I know I'm excited to meet Brad and he's a 19 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,239 big Stone Table Pilots guy. I know you're a big 20 00:01:31,239 --> 00:01:33,920 Stone Table Pilots guy. Everybody it seems like in the 21 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,920 nineties was like handed a copy of Core and said 22 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:38,719 you must have this to enter college. 23 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 2: Yes, I wasn't in college yet at that point, but 24 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,040 I was definitely loving Core before we get rolling. I 25 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,719 want to say thank you to our executive producer for 26 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,680 this episode, my good friend mister Kevin Davis, who have 27 00:01:49,799 --> 00:01:52,799 mentioned just two episodes ago as a guy who's been 28 00:01:52,879 --> 00:01:56,000 a long time follower over us. He hit our Patreon 29 00:01:56,079 --> 00:01:58,760 page joined in the support. Thank you so much, Kevin, 30 00:01:58,799 --> 00:02:01,959 you are the executive producer sure of this episode. 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Jason, tell me 63 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,919 the first time you remember hearing something about STP. 64 00:03:33,879 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: My first time was when Plush went next level the 65 00:03:37,599 --> 00:03:40,800 summer of ninety three. Right, yeah, so I know Sex 66 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,680 Type Thing was their first single and their first video, 67 00:03:44,439 --> 00:03:47,280 but it just, I mean, I just kind of bypassed me. 68 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,960 I wasn't that familiar with it. But then every time 69 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:51,800 I turned on the radio the summer of ninety three, 70 00:03:51,800 --> 00:04:03,319 it was Plush, Plush, Plush, Lush. 71 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,639 Speaker 2: I talked to my brother this weekend, just kind of 72 00:04:05,639 --> 00:04:08,319 called out of the blue, and I said, hey, you know, 73 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,680 we're going to be covering STP. And I can remember 74 00:04:10,719 --> 00:04:13,680 the first time that I heard anything about STP. I 75 00:04:13,719 --> 00:04:15,719 was riding in the car with my brother and he said, 76 00:04:15,879 --> 00:04:19,720 I heard this pearl Jam sounding band and I was like, 77 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,160 was it Pearl Jam And he said no, it was 78 00:04:22,199 --> 00:04:25,920 a Pearl Jam sounding band and I was like, okay, yea. 79 00:04:26,079 --> 00:04:28,639 And within the week I had heard whatever the song was, 80 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,279 whether it was Plush or Sex Type Thing, I don't remember, 81 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,839 but I was like, oh, this is the band, this 82 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:35,920 is the band that he is referring to. But it 83 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,920 wasn't long before I was at Hastings picking out my own. 84 00:04:39,319 --> 00:04:41,040 Actually I think this might have been a BMI. 85 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: I might have gotten Columbia House Yeah, that's funny because 86 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,160 I had Columbia House and it could have easily been 87 00:04:49,199 --> 00:04:50,000 that for me as well. 88 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 2: For all I know, I might have gotten Core and 89 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,879 Dirt on the same one CD for one penny order. 90 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: That's a heck of an order right there. Yeah, these 91 00:04:59,079 --> 00:05:01,879 guys rolled through Tulsa, Oklahoma. I remember they played the 92 00:05:01,959 --> 00:05:05,560 Zoo Amphitheater. I didn't go, but I remember wanting to go. 93 00:05:05,879 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. I never saw these guys in concert. That was 94 00:05:08,759 --> 00:05:10,399 not a big concert goer when I was a kid, 95 00:05:10,399 --> 00:05:12,800 but I would have loved to have seen them back 96 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:13,399 in the heyday. 97 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, okayde This is Stone Temple Pilot's Core versus Alis 98 00:05:18,079 --> 00:05:21,240 and Chain's Dirt. Core is Stone Tumble Pilot's first album, 99 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,279 Dirt is Alison Chain's second album, but they both came 100 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,000 out on the same day in nineteen ninety two. 101 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,639 Speaker 2: Thirty years ago this month these albums were released. Did 102 00:05:30,639 --> 00:05:32,199 these albums sound thirty years old to you? 103 00:05:32,399 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: Well? 104 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:37,759 Speaker 2: No, no, But it's interesting having listened to interviews that 105 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,000 Scott Wiland gave with Howard Stern, it gave me an 106 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,720 appreciation for what we had in the nineties that basically, 107 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,560 after about early two thousands, you didn't have anymore, and 108 00:05:48,639 --> 00:05:51,079 that was that you went to Hastings and you bought 109 00:05:51,079 --> 00:05:55,000 an album, or you ordered BMI CDs or tapes or whatever. 110 00:05:55,319 --> 00:06:00,000 Columbia House was a cheap and beautiful thing that doesn't 111 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,800 exist anymore because people don't buy albums anymore, I know. 112 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,480 And so not only are people not buying records, that's 113 00:06:07,519 --> 00:06:11,000 a thing, but because of that, record companies have lost money, 114 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,279 which means we have a decrease in quality of music 115 00:06:13,319 --> 00:06:15,600 that's being produced because you don't have the money to 116 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,279 create a big production, so you use cheaper ways to 117 00:06:19,319 --> 00:06:22,720 do things, computers and such. And because of that, those 118 00:06:22,959 --> 00:06:25,759 artists of that time, like Scott Wiland and like some 119 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,439 of those other guys, in order to maintain that lifestyle 120 00:06:29,519 --> 00:06:32,240 that they had grown to appreciate in the nineties, when 121 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,480 all of a sudden the two thousands rolls along and 122 00:06:34,519 --> 00:06:38,639 nobody's buying music anymore. We're all downloading it and napstering 123 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,879 it or whatever, then suddenly you have to go tour 124 00:06:42,199 --> 00:06:45,839 substantially more than you did before just to maintain your 125 00:06:45,879 --> 00:06:48,639 standard of living. And if like Scott Wiland, you've been 126 00:06:48,639 --> 00:06:50,839 through a couple of divorces, you've got to do it 127 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:52,560 just to be able to pay your child support, which 128 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,920 he did not do. Well, yeah, it was troubling. 129 00:06:55,079 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: His money went elsewhere sadly. Well, yeah, hey, you know 130 00:06:58,519 --> 00:07:01,279 you mentioned Napster and you mentioned Pearl Jam. I thought 131 00:07:01,319 --> 00:07:04,040 this was funny. The song Creep by Stone Tiple Pilots. 132 00:07:04,079 --> 00:07:06,519 There's some sort of problem with the naming of the songs. 133 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,120 They can ever pick the right title because every time 134 00:07:10,319 --> 00:07:12,560 they choose the title, it's not really in the song. 135 00:07:12,879 --> 00:07:15,600 But I thought it was funny on Napster. The song 136 00:07:15,759 --> 00:07:20,160 Creep is most commonly referred to as half the Man 137 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:27,439 I Used to be by Nirvana. 138 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:29,319 Speaker 2: Which is funny because Radiohead we mentioned last time. Radiohead 139 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,000 had a song called Creep as well, which was Lane 140 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,279 Staley's favorite song of that time period. They said, mate, 141 00:07:36,319 --> 00:07:38,199 you know, this is the best song that I've heard 142 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,600 in three years when it first came out. Its song, 143 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,519 and it was a constant source of confusion for me 144 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,800 of which Creeper were we about to listen to? Is 145 00:07:45,839 --> 00:07:48,040 the Radiohead version or is it the stone Tiple Pilots. 146 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,439 Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, yeah, Well at least they say creep in 147 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,519 the song, right, right, yes, put it in there, right okay, 148 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,959 so my history starts in nineteen fifty three. 149 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:06,079 Speaker 2: What In nineteen fifty three, a company called Chemical Compounds 150 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:10,959 was founded by three businessmen, Charles Dwight Liggett, Jim Hill, 151 00:08:11,279 --> 00:08:15,839 and Robert Deehart with three thousand dollars startup capital in 152 00:08:15,959 --> 00:08:20,839 Saint Joseph, Missouri. They started the company Chemical Compounds Now. 153 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,720 The next year, actor Scott Marlowe made his acting debut. 154 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,920 Nineteen fifty four, made his acting debut in a movie 155 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:33,480 called Attila, starring mister Anthony Quinn and Miss Sophia la Writt. 156 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,399 By nineteen sixty, he was in a movie called The 157 00:08:36,399 --> 00:08:40,200 Subterraneans with actor Roddy McDowell. Fright Night, There you Go 158 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,440 throw back to our Fright Night episode Very good. He 159 00:08:42,519 --> 00:08:45,240 was also in many episodes of Have Gun, We'll Travel. 160 00:08:45,399 --> 00:08:46,879 I'm not going to sing the song for you today. 161 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:48,440 Go listen to stand by Me if you want to 162 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,679 hear it. So after nineteen sixty, The next year, Scott 163 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,759 Marlowe had his first little brother, whose name was Dean. 164 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:01,879 Because Scott Marlow's given name was Ronald Richard Delio Wow. 165 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,960 His very much younger half brother, Dean, was born in 166 00:09:06,039 --> 00:09:09,240 nineteen sixty one. Five years later, he had another half 167 00:09:09,279 --> 00:09:12,840 brother who they named Robert. That's Robert and Dean de Leo. 168 00:09:12,919 --> 00:09:15,039 A little later on that year, a guy named Eric 169 00:09:15,159 --> 00:09:18,000 Kretz was born, and the following year we saw the 170 00:09:18,039 --> 00:09:19,639 birth of mister Scott Wiland. 171 00:09:29,399 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: That's fantastic. I thought you were going all the way 172 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,440 back to like the birth of Heroin or something like this. 173 00:09:33,519 --> 00:09:35,559 I was like, nineteen fifty three, what are we talking 174 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:36,120 about here? 175 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 2: Well, the Chemical Compound Company. It's going to come up later, 176 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,039 but not now. Just save it, put a pin in it, 177 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,080 think about it, and you know where it's going to go, 178 00:09:43,159 --> 00:09:45,480 but you may not. Listener, You'll have to hold on 179 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:47,879 and see where it comes back up again. Okay, I 180 00:09:47,919 --> 00:09:48,600 am at your feet. 181 00:09:48,639 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: Do you lead us down this trail to where we're going? 182 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 2: Okay? So Scott Wiland was not born Scott Wiland. He 183 00:09:54,399 --> 00:09:57,639 was born Scott Klein. His parents ultimately got divorced, his 184 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,840 mother remarried. He was adopted by his father, whose last 185 00:10:00,919 --> 00:10:04,559 name was Wyland, and that's how he became Scott Wiland. Yes, 186 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,519 he lived in Ohio. The DeLillo brothers grew up in 187 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,759 New Jersey. Eric Kretz grew up in California. But ultimately 188 00:10:13,159 --> 00:10:16,039 Scott decided to go out to California and Robert decided 189 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,480 to go out to California and they started, you know, 190 00:10:18,759 --> 00:10:22,360 seeing girls going to concerts. Well, sure, and they go 191 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,080 to a Black Flag concert and they run into each 192 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,240 other and they're like, oh, hey, how's it going. Yeah? Good, 193 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,080 And they start talking about their girlfriend and it turns 194 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,639 out it's the same girl I hated. 195 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: Hi. When that happens, well, it ends up. 196 00:10:34,519 --> 00:10:36,159 Speaker 2: That I think they liked each other better than they 197 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,000 really liked her. She moves back to Texas and so 198 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,600 they roommate together in her old apartment. Well really, yes, wow, 199 00:10:43,879 --> 00:10:47,840 And since Scott's a singer and Robert is a guitarist 200 00:10:47,879 --> 00:10:50,080 and a bass player, they decide they're going to put 201 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:50,759 together a band. 202 00:10:50,799 --> 00:10:52,919 Speaker 1: Hey, before you get there, Before you get there, I 203 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,200 just want to mention this really quick. I found this fascinating. 204 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,879 Scott Wiland in high school was an athlete. 205 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,279 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you sent me a picture of him, like 206 00:11:00,279 --> 00:11:01,639 he's a quarterback, and I. 207 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:02,799 Speaker 1: Sent you his football picture. 208 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: Yes, it's fantastic. 209 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: It's he wasn't like the last guy off the bench. 210 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,879 He was the quarterback. Yeah, he played football. He played soccer. Yeah, 211 00:11:10,919 --> 00:11:12,759 he wrestled, Yeah, played volleyball. 212 00:11:12,919 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 2: You sent a picture of him in the group text 213 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,960 that we share with James Buckley and David Wright, right, 214 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,039 and you're like, who's this guy? And David Wright said, 215 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,320 is it Jack Wagner? And I thought, yeah, he's right, 216 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,879 that's Jack Wagner. Like he looks like a soap opera star, 217 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:30,159 very young. Scott Weiland looks like a young James Wagner. 218 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:34,519 Speaker 1: Flashback to Our Girls Girls, The Girls episode Jack Wagner. 219 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:35,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, but he does. 220 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,879 Speaker 1: I mean he looks athletic, he's bustled up, and he 221 00:11:37,919 --> 00:11:38,960 looks like a football player. 222 00:11:39,039 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, he changes that look. He changes his look over 223 00:11:41,759 --> 00:11:44,279 and over again. As his career progressive. He does. He 224 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:44,759 does so. 225 00:11:44,799 --> 00:11:47,799 Speaker 1: When he's a young man, he's an athlete. He's going 226 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,919 here and there, and on the weekends he's starting to 227 00:11:49,919 --> 00:11:52,320 go to parties. High scholers do that, they binge drink 228 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,759 on the weekends. Except for Scott. It starts to have 229 00:11:55,879 --> 00:11:59,840 an obsessive pull on him to where he thinks about Monday, 230 00:12:00,159 --> 00:12:02,919 thinks about it Tuesday, thinks about it Wednesday and has 231 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,440 to kind of make it to Friday. Yeah, that leads 232 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,200 to weed and then cocaine, and his parents find those 233 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,000 little white bundles in his bedroom one day and he's 234 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,200 off to rehab for the first time, age sixteen. 235 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 2: Sixteen. Yeah, so I learned in this process a very 236 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:24,519 tragic story. Apparently, and possibly he was dealing with a 237 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,559 prior event that had occurred about four years before, right 238 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,360 that he had, according to him in his book, suppressed 239 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,960 this memory until he's in rehab and was going through therapy. 240 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:40,480 But apparently twelve years old again, gets invited to a 241 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,320 barn to you know, hang out like you do out 242 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,200 in Ohio, and it's play spin the bottle with some 243 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,159 girls and a mason jar full of liquor. And this older, 244 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,399 you know, high school senior who's twenty at the time, 245 00:12:53,639 --> 00:12:57,759 shows up and starts having relations with one of the 246 00:12:57,799 --> 00:13:00,519 girls right there in front of everyone, and then just 247 00:13:00,639 --> 00:13:03,639 within the week says, hey, you want to come hang out. 248 00:13:03,879 --> 00:13:06,759 Scott goes with him over to his house and he 249 00:13:06,879 --> 00:13:09,799 is raped by this twenty year old high school senior. 250 00:13:09,879 --> 00:13:12,679 That is tragic. I could see myself becoming a drinker 251 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,559 and a drugger if that had happened to me, and. 252 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: A violent, angry young man. Yeah, okay, when to bring 253 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,159 it down. Actually I did hear him describe it as 254 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:29,919 quick and unpleasant. 255 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,519 Speaker 2: At least it was quick, I guess at the very least. Yes. 256 00:13:32,879 --> 00:13:36,159 So Robert and Scott are living together. They've decided to 257 00:13:36,159 --> 00:13:38,600 put a band together. They get a couple of childhood 258 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,320 friends to join the band, a guy named Corey Hickock 259 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,000 and a guy named David Allen. Yep, but they don't 260 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,240 live up to snuff. And while Robert and Scott are 261 00:13:47,279 --> 00:13:50,000 at a concert, they are listening to this band and 262 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,399 they're like, man, I can't hear anything but the drums. 263 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,080 This guy is incredible, right. That guy was Eric Kretz. 264 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,600 They said we need to get him. They got him, 265 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,759 kicked out the other two guys and said, okay, we 266 00:14:01,799 --> 00:14:04,080 need a guitar player. And Robert says, you know what, 267 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:05,480 let's give my brother Dean a call. 268 00:14:05,759 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: You mentioned the fact that Scott Wiland's childhood friends are 269 00:14:09,039 --> 00:14:11,639 in this band. They're just not quite as good as 270 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:13,840 they need to be. And so one of the songs 271 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,639 that they had been working on very early on in 272 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:24,679 their days as a band was Piece of Pie. So 273 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,320 they had been working on it and it had guitars 274 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,039 and Corey Hickock was playing the guitar wasn't a great 275 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,320 guitar player, so Dean actually came to help out on 276 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,039 that song in particular, and when he showed up to help, 277 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,279 it became obvious that Dean is much better. And so 278 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,679 when Dean showed up, he inadvertently kicked him out of 279 00:14:44,679 --> 00:14:48,440 the band. And he said that he has since forgiven 280 00:14:48,559 --> 00:14:49,799 him and that he's a sweet guy. 281 00:14:50,039 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 2: So well, that's nice. It seems to me that Robert 282 00:14:53,159 --> 00:14:56,480 is probably the most driven of the group, right. I 283 00:14:56,519 --> 00:14:59,240 heard Scott talk about it. Robert would have a beer, 284 00:14:59,519 --> 00:15:02,080 you know, once or twice a month maybe, but he 285 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,600 said that while he was doing drugs and STP Dean 286 00:15:05,759 --> 00:15:07,720 was doing them with them. Dean was a heavy drug 287 00:15:07,759 --> 00:15:10,840 addict as well. Wow. But as they pointed out, it's 288 00:15:10,879 --> 00:15:14,360 a little different to play the guitar than it is 289 00:15:14,399 --> 00:15:18,240 to sing. You've got a human instrument when you're the singer, 290 00:15:18,279 --> 00:15:20,919 and if you're off, you can't tune it. You know, 291 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,840 there's no key to change, so it's a little bit difficult, 292 00:15:23,879 --> 00:15:26,919 which is probably why he ultimately had more pressure from 293 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,159 the rest of the band and why ultimately he got 294 00:15:29,519 --> 00:15:30,480 the bit right. 295 00:15:30,559 --> 00:15:34,759 Speaker 1: So Originally they weren't even called Stone Temple Pilots. Really, 296 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,480 this blew me away. All right, tell me about that. Okay, 297 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,639 So their original name was called Mighty Joe Young. 298 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 2: Like the old Giant Gorilla movie. Yeah, okay, all right, 299 00:15:44,639 --> 00:15:46,799 you see that one, Bill Paxton. I did not. I 300 00:15:46,799 --> 00:15:48,360 saw the old black and white one though. Okay. 301 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: So, like weeks before Coors come out, they realize that 302 00:15:52,519 --> 00:15:54,679 there's this guy in Chicago who's got the copyright to 303 00:15:54,759 --> 00:15:55,200 this name. 304 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,919 Speaker 2: He has the rights to the name Mighty Joe Young. Yes, 305 00:15:58,039 --> 00:16:00,960 blues musician, yes, yes, So they have to come up 306 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:01,480 with a new name. 307 00:16:01,559 --> 00:16:02,639 Speaker 1: So they do that. 308 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 2: My friend brings me to the Chemical Compound Company that 309 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,440 started back in nineteen fifty three. 310 00:16:08,639 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: Okay, this is great, so good job. 311 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:15,799 Speaker 2: The Chemical Compound Company's sole product was an oil treatment 312 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:22,320 simply called STP. The name was derived from scientifically Treated Petroleum. 313 00:16:22,559 --> 00:16:26,120 In nineteen sixty one, same year that Dean was born, 314 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,679 the company was acquired by the Studebaker Packard Corporation and 315 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:35,360 they changed the meaning of STP to Studebaker Tested products. 316 00:16:35,879 --> 00:16:39,440 But the CEO of Studebaker at the time said, you 317 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,120 know what, I think this product could outpace Studebaker, and 318 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,120 so he recruited this guy named Andy Granatelli and he 319 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:51,320 made him the CEO of the STP company to help 320 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,159 raise the product's image. The way that he did that 321 00:16:54,679 --> 00:16:57,759 is he became the public face of STP and he 322 00:16:57,799 --> 00:17:01,919 would go to races with a white suit emblazoned with 323 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:08,799 a red oval with the logo STP. That STP logo 324 00:17:09,039 --> 00:17:14,119 became a fashion go to for skaters and bmxer's and 325 00:17:14,279 --> 00:17:19,400 other guys my age in the late eighties early nineties. Absolutely, 326 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,640 And so when these guys find out they can't be 327 00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:27,039 Mighty Joe Young, they say, we love STP. Let's just 328 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,440 come up with three words that give us the initials 329 00:17:31,079 --> 00:17:32,519 S t P. 330 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: That's a fascinating story, right, right, So here's what they 331 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:36,440 come up with. 332 00:17:36,839 --> 00:17:37,799 Speaker 2: Shirley Temple's po. 333 00:17:44,599 --> 00:17:48,079 Speaker 1: Once again, a name you can't use at Walmart. 334 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:57,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, they also thought of sticky toilet paper. Ultimately they 335 00:17:57,319 --> 00:18:03,359 got really close. They said, how about Stereo Temple Pirates? Yes, 336 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,240 and it was very close, but the record company was 337 00:18:06,279 --> 00:18:09,720 like pirates with the music I don't know. And so 338 00:18:10,079 --> 00:18:13,039 they said, well what about pilots And someone else said, 339 00:18:13,079 --> 00:18:17,240 I like the idea of stone better than Stereo, So 340 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:18,279 there you go. 341 00:18:18,559 --> 00:18:33,839 Speaker 1: Stone Temple Pilots once again grabbed this name at the 342 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,000 last second before the album came out. 343 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,799 Speaker 2: All because of Micole compound company stp Oil. 344 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: I like this name better than Mighty Joe Young. 345 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know it doesn't I mean, m Jay 346 00:18:48,519 --> 00:18:50,319 Y doesn't roll off the tongue quite as well as 347 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,920 that's true. That's true. So these guys started playing together 348 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,160 as Mighty Joe Young for the longest time in San 349 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,079 Diego and they would go up and down the coast. 350 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,079 They ended up playing at the Whiskey in La Yep, 351 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,920 And very quickly we're discovered. And this is about nineteen 352 00:19:05,079 --> 00:19:08,920 ninety two, when we've had Nirvana's Nevermind has come out, 353 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,799 Pearl Jams ten has come out, and the record company 354 00:19:11,839 --> 00:19:14,759 is seeing these guys on stage and saying, these guys 355 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:19,640 are obviously well within this new alternative music that's happening, 356 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,759 even though they were not a Seattle band. They're like, 357 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,759 we can see the dollar signs here, good look, and 358 00:19:23,839 --> 00:19:27,480 lead singer Rough Grungey sound, let's sign these guys up. 359 00:19:27,559 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: This is what I didn't know, or at least didn't 360 00:19:29,519 --> 00:19:31,720 realize at the time. I was well aware of the 361 00:19:31,759 --> 00:19:35,279 Seattle sound. Yeah, but the flavor of the month kind 362 00:19:35,319 --> 00:19:38,039 of in the early nineties was San Diego. So record 363 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,599 companies went like flocked to San Diego to find the 364 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,279 next big thing. And even though these guys, it's kind 365 00:19:43,319 --> 00:19:45,559 of misnomed that they were from San Diego. They are 366 00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:48,799 actually an LA band, but record companies were hot on 367 00:19:48,839 --> 00:19:52,160 the trail of San Diego bands. I've never even heard 368 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:52,680 of that before. 369 00:19:52,839 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, So ultimately they signed with Atlantic Records on April first, 370 00:19:57,759 --> 00:20:01,079 nineteen ninety two. Yep, Dean has a day job still, 371 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,160 you know. I mean, they're not making it enough as 372 00:20:03,559 --> 00:20:05,559 musicians to live, so he's got a day job. He 373 00:20:05,599 --> 00:20:08,480 goes to tell them, He's like, hey, guys, I gotta leave. 374 00:20:08,519 --> 00:20:11,160 I'm signed a record deal. And they didn't believe him 375 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:12,759 because it was April first. 376 00:20:13,279 --> 00:20:15,559 Speaker 1: They're like, hilarious, back to where. 377 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 2: No, really, guys, really okay, guys, see you later. 378 00:20:19,759 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy, man. 379 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 2: You know. 380 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,079 Speaker 1: During this time, Robert worked at a guitar store. 381 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, he worked with Schechter Guitar Research, which was it 382 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,000 started off as a repair shop back in the seventies, 383 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,599 got bought by a Texas company in the mid eighties, 384 00:20:34,839 --> 00:20:36,920 went to Texas for a while and then a Japanese 385 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,559 company bought him moved him back out to California. That's 386 00:20:39,599 --> 00:20:42,920 when Robert started working with him, and he built the 387 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,720 prototype of what would later become his signature model when 388 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,240 he was working there. It was the Scheckter Model T 389 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,000 and it was his primary live instrument while he was 390 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,079 with Stone Table Pilots. 391 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,079 Speaker 1: Wow, so he worked at this guitar store. 392 00:20:55,319 --> 00:20:57,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry to give you a little bit more there. 393 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,799 Speaker 1: So anyway, that's great, that's great. That's way more than 394 00:21:01,839 --> 00:21:03,519 I had. So he would work at the guitar store 395 00:21:03,799 --> 00:21:06,680 and across the street Scott was working at like parking 396 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,480 cars and driving people around models. 397 00:21:09,559 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, he drove the models around, right, Yes, he did. 398 00:21:12,519 --> 00:21:14,559 Speaker 1: Not a bad gig if you can get it. And 399 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,720 so apparently Scott would have these little downtimes and he 400 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,000 would come across the street and he would tell Robert, 401 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,880 he say, hey, got this idea. What do you think 402 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,880 I am smelling like a road? You know, what do 403 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,279 you think about that? Okay? And he said In fact, 404 00:21:27,519 --> 00:21:31,119 they wrote the song Creep in Robert's back seat while 405 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:32,279 parked at the guitar store. 406 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was thinking about how he was rejected a 407 00:21:35,559 --> 00:21:38,880 lot as a youth and felt like he was a 408 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:39,759 Greef a lot of the time. 409 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 1: By the way, the guy that they opened for at 410 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,400 the Whiskey was Henry Rawlins. You know what band he 411 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,119 was in prior to the Henry Rowlins band, tell Me 412 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:49,160 Black Flac. 413 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:50,319 Speaker 2: There you go. 414 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: How about that? 415 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it comes full circle, it sure does. And as 416 00:21:53,759 --> 00:21:55,839 a matter of fact, another band that they opened for 417 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:00,559 was Electric Love Hawks. The guitarist for Electric Love Hoggs 418 00:22:00,839 --> 00:22:05,480 was Dave Kushner, who was the founder of Velvet Revolver, 419 00:22:06,039 --> 00:22:09,240 where Scott Wiland would go after leaving stp. 420 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: And where he was eventually fired from. It's all part 421 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:19,559 of the same story. 422 00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 2: Okay. So it's summer of nineteen ninety two. They have 423 00:22:23,279 --> 00:22:25,880 got to come out with a debut album. We know 424 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,680 that it comes out September of that year, but they've 425 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,440 got to get started recording. So what do you do 426 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,079 when you have to record an album. You hire a producer. 427 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,519 Let me tell you about mister Brendan O'Brien. Okay, yeah, 428 00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:41,519 So Brendan O'Brien started off playing in bands in Atlanta. 429 00:22:41,599 --> 00:22:43,720 One band was called the Pranks. The other one was 430 00:22:43,759 --> 00:22:45,319 called Samurai. 431 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: Catfish, Samurai cash. 432 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,279 Speaker 2: Samurai catfish with a fantastic name, right, And so he 433 00:22:50,839 --> 00:22:52,720 had a bit of success. He was a good musician, 434 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,119 but he had a kid early on, so he was 435 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,039 a dad who needed to take care of a family. 436 00:22:57,079 --> 00:22:59,599 So he needed paying gig, right, And so he was 437 00:22:59,599 --> 00:23:03,079 always kind of fascinated by the name that would show 438 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,000 on producer lines on his albums that he loved, like 439 00:23:06,039 --> 00:23:09,119 the Beatles or led Zeppelin. You know, he sees Jimmy 440 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,440 Page's producer, He's like, how did he make that sound? 441 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,519 So he kind of becomes fascinated with this idea of 442 00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:18,359 being a producer and an engineer. And because he needs money, 443 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,839 he works cheap and he became known as the guy 444 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,240 who if you were with a small record company and 445 00:23:23,279 --> 00:23:25,400 you need an album for fifteen hundred bucks, he was 446 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,319 your guy to go to interesting. Okay, So he does 447 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,359 some engineering, does some mixing, and in nineteen eighty nine 448 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,680 he gets together with this kind of unknown band to 449 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,880 do engineering for them. Their name was the Black Crows 450 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,759 and the album was Shake Your Money Maker. 451 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:54,599 Speaker 1: Whoa. 452 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,279 Speaker 2: And he goes from mister guy you need cheap to 453 00:23:59,000 --> 00:23:59,920 a guy in demand. 454 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: I love that album. Of course, we gotta cover that 455 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,000 the album, right, there is not a bad song on 456 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:06,400 that album. 457 00:24:06,519 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 2: Let me just touch on some of the some of 458 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,319 the albums that this guy has been involved with. Right, So, 459 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,759 he did Black Crows, He was an engineer for Black Crows, 460 00:24:14,759 --> 00:24:18,599 Shake Your Money Maker. He mixed Pearl Jams ten. Yeah, 461 00:24:18,839 --> 00:24:21,240 he was the mixer for Temple of the Dog by 462 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,400 Temple of the Dog. You ready for this. Yes, he 463 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,359 was the engineer for Red Hot Chili Peppers, Blood Sugar, 464 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,680 Sex Magic, which we know came out the same time 465 00:24:28,759 --> 00:24:33,400 as Nevermind and ten Huge. He did the Black Crows 466 00:24:33,519 --> 00:24:41,720 follow up album, and then he does Stone Tipple Pilots. 467 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,319 Speaker 1: You know when you said that there is a song 468 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,759 on Core that reminds me of Remedy by the Black Crows. Yeah, 469 00:24:53,839 --> 00:24:55,200 we'll talk about it when we get there. 470 00:24:55,319 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 2: So on the song wet My Bad, Yes, at the 471 00:24:57,559 --> 00:25:00,960 very end, you hear a voice come in. Yes, Okay, 472 00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:01,720 what are we gonna do? 473 00:25:01,799 --> 00:25:02,039 Speaker 1: Now? 474 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,079 Speaker 2: That's him Brendan O'Brien. If you you know, you've got 475 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,759 probably no image in your head you but you probably 476 00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:11,920 have seen him if you saw the Bob Dylan Unplugged 477 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,839 on MTV. He's the guy playing the him in organ okay. 478 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,640 He also played keyboards for Pearl Jam and Neil Young 479 00:25:18,759 --> 00:25:21,960 on their Mirror Ball tour in Europe. More recently, like 480 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,200 twenty years ago, he won the Grammy for the Rising 481 00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:28,000 by Bruce Springsteen throw back to Bruce Springs Yes Bruce 482 00:25:28,039 --> 00:25:32,960 Springsteen episode. In twenty fifteen, he produced Higher Truth, which 483 00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:37,519 was Chris Cornell's final album before his death, Interesting Intending, 484 00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:40,680 and most recently he's done Power Up by ac DC, 485 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,279 came out in twenty twenty, same year that we did 486 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,279 our ac DC versus Guns n' Roses Appetite for Destruction. 487 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: Hey back you black versus Appetite for Destruction. Come on, 488 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,519 that's that's a really good matchup. 489 00:25:51,759 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 2: So this is the guy who was primarily responsible for 490 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,519 the sound of the music of the nineties. And the 491 00:25:57,559 --> 00:26:00,440 thing that all of these songs seemed to share is 492 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,920 this piccolo snare. It's this really and I can remember 493 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,480 I can remember early nineties is when I was in 494 00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:09,000 high school band talking to my drummer about stuff, and 495 00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:11,640 I'm like, can you can you make the drum sound 496 00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:15,680 more high pitch and more poppy. It's that piccolo snare 497 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,279 that has that high pitched kind of echoe sound, and 498 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:33,039 Brendan O'Brien is the guy who's responsible for us. As 499 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:36,400 I mentioned at the beginning of the episode, everybody including 500 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,440 my brother, thought one of these guys sound like Pearl Jam. Well, 501 00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:44,880 Brendan O'Brien produced all of the Pearl Jam albums except 502 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,599 for ten, and he produced Core, so he's the one 503 00:26:49,759 --> 00:26:53,759 tie between these two bands. It's just interesting because this 504 00:26:53,839 --> 00:26:55,759 is a guy who until we did the research on this, 505 00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:57,759 I had no idea who he was. But he's the 506 00:26:57,799 --> 00:26:59,720 guy who gave us the sound of the nineties, and 507 00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:02,880 he talked about how in the eighties things had gotten 508 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,400 so hi fi and people were done with that, and 509 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,920 so the nineties he was the perfect guy to come 510 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,359 in and do low fi sound. 511 00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: You know who else thought they sounded like Pearl Jim, 512 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,279 I hate to keep bringing this up. David Spade on 513 00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:16,240 Saturday Night Live. 514 00:27:16,319 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 2: I've heard the episode, let's listen to it here. 515 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: And in Music Stone Temple Pilots were on tour. They 516 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,400 were great the first time I saw him when they 517 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,759 were called Pearl Jam, David Spade, hilarious. 518 00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, but Beavis's buttead two. 519 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. Scott Wiland really bristled at that. I'm sure, I 520 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,920 mean really bristled at it. 521 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 522 00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: So the guy from the Butthole Surfers who they toured 523 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,519 with the last date of this concert was when Scott 524 00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:48,599 Wiland started Heroin for the very first time. But the 525 00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:51,079 guy for Butthole Surfers was on with Ricky Rackman on 526 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,640 MTV and the guy for Butthole Servers said, you know 527 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,039 who they sound like, don't you? And Ricky Rackman said, 528 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,960 who don't they sound like? And because of that state, 529 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,200 Scott Wiland was super pissed at MTV. Yeah, whend come 530 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,519 on any of their stuff. They came to rick your 531 00:28:05,519 --> 00:28:07,920 reckman and they're like, you have got to go and 532 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,079 apologize to him. 533 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's interesting because Headbanger's Ball is where you 534 00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:16,200 get the live version of Plush, which I mean, that's 535 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:17,480 my favorite version of the song. 536 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. Well, that got as much radio 537 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,200 play as anything I know, because it's fantastic. It's fantastic. Yeah, 538 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,680 although I like the I like the. 539 00:28:25,599 --> 00:28:29,279 Speaker 2: Real one better. I know you do. Okay, so we 540 00:28:29,319 --> 00:28:31,920 need to do our Shirley showcase. Now we have our 541 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,960 dear friend and fellow podcaster mister Jeff Johnson, who is 542 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,400 going to give us his thoughts on this matchup. And 543 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,480 Jeff is a little younger than us, so this was 544 00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:43,279 more like right in his sweet spot. 545 00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:43,559 Speaker 4: I think. 546 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait to hear what Jeff has to say. 547 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,480 Jeff has knocked it out of the park and all 548 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,279 the Shirley showcases so far, So Jeff, no pressure. Here 549 00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:52,519 you go. 550 00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 4: Hello Shirley fans. This is Jeff Johnson from a film 551 00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:00,240 by podcast and I'm here to do a quick set 552 00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:04,519 before d and Jason take the stage. In nineteen ninety two, 553 00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:08,680 Alison Chains and Stone Timble Pilots both put out albums 554 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,839 that would ultimately become their highest selling I want to 555 00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:14,359 offer a final judgment on what I feel is the 556 00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:17,240 best album though, the first time I heard Sex Type 557 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,640 Thing on my local radio station, I knew two things. 558 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,480 I wanted to hear it again and I wanted to 559 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,359 hear what else did these guys got With their debut 560 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,440 album Core, The Stone Tible Pilots deliver a message about 561 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:35,079 social injustice with songs like Naked Sunday and Wicked Garden. 562 00:29:35,519 --> 00:29:39,359 They shed some light on the hypocrisies of our values 563 00:29:39,519 --> 00:29:43,079 and some of our beliefs. Meanwhile, hard hitting tracks like 564 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,599 Dead and Bloated gave you an idea of what kind 565 00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:48,880 of attitude this band had, while Where the River Goes 566 00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:52,039 ensures that they know how to close an album out 567 00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:55,960 the right way. As for Alison Chains, we knew what 568 00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:59,559 to expect and we wanted more of it, and they 569 00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:04,599 provide with their follow up Dirt. Songs like Wood and 570 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,759 Down in a Hole have a way of just pulling 571 00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:10,720 you in. Your eyes are closed and you're kind of 572 00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:14,559 swaying with the music. Plaine's vocals are more like a lullaby, 573 00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:17,440 beckoning meat to come with him on a journey, but 574 00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:21,599 it's a dark journey into the depths of addiction, self 575 00:30:21,599 --> 00:30:27,759 harm with little reconciliation. Ultimately, choosing the best album is 576 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,759 very difficult, but not impossible. As for myself, I'm gonna 577 00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:35,480 go with the one I feel I can play from 578 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,000 start to finish and more importantly sing along with. And 579 00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:43,599 that is why I'm gonna go with Core. Jason d 580 00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:48,359 roll out of that birthday deathbed, have a piece of pie, 581 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,000 and find out Where the River Goes. I'm Jeff Johnson 582 00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:55,680 from a film by podcast Thank You, Good Night. 583 00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 2: Hey knocked it out of the park again. That's fantastic 584 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,759 it so obviously he is a big STP. 585 00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: Fan right coming strong with Core Yeah, Jeff, Thank you 586 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,319 so much. Jeff is a great friend of ours. Go 587 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,000 check out his podcast, A film by Podcast. 588 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's time to jump into the album. 589 00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:19,319 Speaker 1: That brings us to September twenty ninth, nineteen ninety two, 590 00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:24,240 the release of Core and Dirt. But next week we're 591 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,680 gonna go track by track through each one of these 592 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:27,839 songs off Core. 593 00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:31,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, with our good friend and supporter Brad More. Thank 594 00:31:31,119 --> 00:31:33,799 you guys for listening to the whole episode. We look 595 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,200 forward to seeing you again when we go through this 596 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,119 album track by track and give you our final judgment 597 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,200 as to which of these two albums, in our opinion, 598 00:31:43,319 --> 00:31:46,480 is the best. Is it Dirt? Is it Core? Tune 599 00:31:46,519 --> 00:31:47,200 in next week to. 600 00:31:47,119 --> 00:31:51,559 Speaker 1: Find out sounds good. We'll see you guys then