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The news has got out. Ladies and gentlemen. You know
from the Adam Carolla Show, you know from The Water Cooler,
he's a comic. Mike Dawson and the smoking kills and
he's on the radio in Charlotte. Whoo, North Carolina. Ladies
and gentlemen, Mike.
Speaker 1: Dawson, Yeah, is he presley happy to be here? Man? Yeah? Well,
not many people, not many people in my life who
had asked me to join a podcast would ever get
the answer. Hell yeah. But I'm happy to be here
because we're Symbodica. We know the same things, we talk
about the same things, we have the same dreams, desires,
we like the same girls, you know, and so it's
just it's it's a match made on the highway to hell.
Speaker 2: I agree, and you know, like a lot of the
same music, and you're my best and best friend. You know.
It was after the Corolla Christmas party. We were drinking
beers and just like I threw it and you like
thought them off for one second ago Yeah, hell yeah,
let's fucking do this and I love it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: There was no other answer.
Speaker 2: That was what's going on in Dawson world?
Speaker 1: Uh? Well, here's how you know that I'm a real
rock and roller. And I thought about this earlier today.
I lived with my mom. That's how you know that
I dedicated my life to rock and roll and nothing else. No,
what is going on is I do live with my mom.
We just finished building my mom's house in my backyard.
It's not completely done yet, but now my mom is
living in my house until her house is completely done.
And so that's what's going on in Dawson Land. You know,
it's January twod today. On New Year's Eve, my mom
and I I watched die Hard and that was New
Year's Eve, and then we went outside and watched illegal
fireworks in the San Fernando Valley because my mother had
never experienced the war zone. Uh, that makes us call
this area a little Bay route. But you know, it's been, uh,
it's been a nice it's been let's just call it
some time off because of the holidays.
Speaker 2: And you know what time off is a good thing. Yeah,
you know, you get back and you can relax and
just cleanse the fucking palate and have fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it was funny because I went up to the
Bay area for the Christmas holiday to spend with my
mom up at the old house, and up there, I
felt guilty for being lazy. And I didn't have a
recording studio in that house, so I couldn't do any
work anyway, and then when I get home and my
mom's here, it's like, I don't want to work. I
want to you know, I don't know, whatever did? I
love my mom. She's great, and that's that's what life
has been all about over here. But I am getting
excited because in a couple of months we're getting back
on a boat.
Speaker 2: Yeah we are. Cruise seasons officially begun now that we
turned the page and turned into twenty twenty six, oh
in Dawson, I cannot move forward without doing this, the
first one of the new Era Jesus Christ. In the
words of my close personal friends Stone call Steve Austin,
crack one for the working man.
Speaker 1: Cheers, cheers, my brother, have me New York, This.
Speaker 2: Mary fucking New Year. I love this. I get the
crack beers crack wise and talk to people much more
famous than us and have some.
Speaker 1: Fun, have some fun and live vicariously through their experiences
and wish we were there without the extreme fomo you
know exactly.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we're gonna be on the boat on Cruise
of the Edge in March. Then the Big Dog Monsters
of Rock Cruise. It is going to be fucking great,
And Cruise of the Edge is going to be a
blast as well. If you guys do want to get
on those boats. If you're a PROG fan, cruise Ofthedge
dot com and Monsters of Rock Monsters Rock Cruise dot com,
and don't forget in August the Monsters the Mountain Music
Festival used to be Monsters on the Mountain and that
is at.
Speaker 1: Uh Gatlinburg, Tennessee Gatlinburg, and that is where you share
the sidewalk with bears.
Speaker 2: That's right, And I believe that website is the Mountain
Music Mountain Music US. A hold on, I have it,
I have it up. I did have it up that
I had to google something during the interview.
Speaker 1: Incredible lineup this year, by the way, John Waite, Night Ranger,
lead a Ford of Course, Slaughter, Yeah, Faster Pussycat. That's
gonna be a hell of a weekend, dude.
Speaker 2: White Lion, Dangerous Toys, Dangerous Toys, fucking Rule thirty eight
special is always fucking amazing.
Speaker 1: Steele Hard you know it's funny, dude. I thought about
this the other day and I came across this on
my radio show. I had to back sell Leonard Skinnerd's
Saturday Night Special and I finally made the connection. Now,
that's that. It was basically Leonard Skinnerd's statement on you know,
gun violence, and for the first time in my life,
I made the connection in my mind. Wait a minute.
A Saturday Night Special is a thirty eight revolver also
known as a thirty eight Special. The front man for
thirty eight Special is Donnie Van sand who is Ronnie
Van Sant's brother. Did they take their name from Saturday
Night Special?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that? That had to have been the genesis.
Speaker 2: Of Well, what Dawson? I should pull some strings. Maybe
we could get him.
Speaker 1: On let's see that and then we can ask him
that question. Let's pull some strings.
Speaker 2: Let's pull some strings. I have a lot of I
got a lot of bullets in the chamber that I'm
gonna shoot for coming up very soon, and I believe
that one should be one of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. So, uh, this to take my shoes off.
Speaker 2: This interview we're about to get into. We just got
done recording, Uh Jimmy DeAnda from the Bullet Boys, who
are now reunited once again. I think you guys are
going to enjoy this. There is some fucking stories. Yeah,
great guy, amazing drummer. And I guess the one person
I know that I got in a fight with Eddie
van Halen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know. I had an ex girlfriend. Oh,
I have an ex girlfriend who wasn't She worked for
wes woand one, but she wasn't as into rock and
roll as we are. And she was at some radio
event for Westwood one and she was outside on a
balcony smoking a cigarette in Los Angeles and this guy
comes out and he asks her if he could bump
a cigarette and she's like, yeah, of course. And she's
like She's like, I'm Katie and he's like, hey, I'm
ed and he says, don't tell anyone he saw me smoking.
I'm not supposed to be doing this, and she's like, oh, yeah,
you know, why not. It turns out it was Eddie
van Halen, and and she didn't get into a fight
with him.
Speaker 2: Yep, I did not.
Speaker 1: I did not.
Speaker 2: But that's uh that that's a very fun little thing
that you're going to come across in this interview. And
you know we're gonna have because we got the fucking
porn of where its coming up again and I'm gonna
have to make my way down there and get some more,
get some more spots, of course, and that's that, you know,
because that works great between this and the interview. I
don't have one for us right now. Maybe next one,
next one. I still got a couple left to burn.
But uh, well do you think should we get into this?
Speaker 1: Sure? Man, But how are you doing? Happy New Year,
Marry New Year.
Speaker 2: I'm fine, you know me, you know, me, just doing
my thing and uh looking forward to a U a
good year.
Speaker 1: God, yeah, I don't want to jinx it man, and
a good year. I mean, I you know, when people
say prosperous, i'd be nice, it usually works out as persperous.
Speaker 2: Dear.
Speaker 1: There's that. There's that, you know, So let's let's be
careful and not jings things. You know, I concise when
we speak.
Speaker 2: I did a show just for the Patreon, and the
Patreon shows are just for the Patreon. This is obviously
going to be on the Patreon and get it at free.
But the one I did on New Year's Eve, when
I got home from my little soiree, I went to
it's a little small gathering here in Vegas at the
Bootlegger with Sir Edward of Trunk and I I went
through a list of things. But I don't call them resolutions.
I call them expectations, things that I expect of myself,
because I feel like if you called a resolution, it's like, ah,
fucket whatever, you know. But if it's an expectation of yourself,
that's going to drive me harder to do this kind
of stuff.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It reminds me of a reminds me
of a line from a song by a little band
called Nickel Creek that are not metal at all, but
the line is others have excuses. I have my reasons
why others have resolutions, You have expectations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it, Dawson. I'm so excited for this
because we're gonna have my world, but we're also gonna
have your world. Guests from my world, guess from your world.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so everybody gets both worlds. It is the best,
and they are the worlds that matter.
Speaker 2: That's right, ladies and gentlemen. Without further ado, we are
going to go to the drummer for the Bullet Boys,
the OG and he's back with them, Jimmy DeAnda right
here on another and podcast is he Presley and Mike
Dawson all right, ladies and gentlemen, we are back and
joining us the very first guest of the year and
surprised it's his first time on here. I've known this
cat for so long. He is the drummer. I mean,
you know, he's played with Lynch Mob, he's played with
Piercy d Martini, and he is again in the re
re re Reunited boys. Jimmy DeAnda, good to see you, buddy.
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me, both of you guys. It's
good to see you guys. A happy New Year, New Year.
Speaker 2: So you guys just played and this is what the
second or third show since you guys came back together.
Speaker 4: Well, actually with we had reunited just to me, Lonnie
and the singer Mark Uh and we had a guitar
player that was sitting in for a minute and unfortunately
his scheduling got a little lousie, but it you know,
had a change of heart and wanted to come back
into the fold.
Speaker 3: So that worked out.
Speaker 4: So we have all original members and we've done three
shows thus far.
Speaker 3: We did which is.
Speaker 4: Really kind of cool because the first show back was
with Lynch Bob, with George Lanshek, Jared Galino, who's like
like my little brother. But Andrew Freeman, who's you know,
it's so incestuous because he sang for what was a
version of Bullet Boys called Lives to Seed in Treachery Are.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So it's all family though, because Mark and him hung out.
They talk and it's all brothers. It's all we're trying
our best to move forward. And remember that, you know,
playing music, you guys, I think we all know this.
Speaker 3: Now. It's a gift man.
Speaker 4: Nobody, nobody gets to do like this isn't you don't
deserve this. But I will say, for the first time
in a long time, we are. We're in a better
place than we've all been. And I think it had
to take age. I think I had to get ready
to get older. I think that that's really I'm not
saying anybody's more spiritual or or fucking solid a lot.
I do believe we got older. And he looked around
and went and Lonnie was the one that said. He said, Jimbo,
how much time do we have? Seriously, like, if you
just look at the clock, how much more time? I go, Lonnie,
you're a preacher of the choir. You're right, I don't know,
but it's been good. So three shows with mixway with
the full full lineup.
Speaker 1: Well, Jimmy, even to have what career you've had already,
that should be enough. You know, it's it's it never is,
but it should be enough to scratch that itch. And
how fortunate are you now that, like you kind of
alluded to this, You know everything now, right, you know
the game back and forth, and now you're in you
probably take care better care of yourself, a little more professional,
you know all the tricks to the trade. How much
more fun is it now? Or is it going to
be because you don't have to worry about all the
little shit that you had to worry about in the You're.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent right, it's right now it's not as
fun as it's going to be.
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what, right because right now, you know.
Speaker 4: It's just like anytime somebody gets back with an ex.
You know, we have to just kind of get reused
to each other. And on stage, don't get me wrong,
on stage we are completely fucking it is like I
kind of we try to talk about the band like
we're all backstage going, why does.
Speaker 3: This sound the way it sounds? You know? I played
with George Lynchay and Warren G.
Speaker 4: Martinez and when some of the Grits guitar players on
the history of the fucking planet, and when I play
with next to Mix Suedea, it's a completely different animal
because and I know it has lots to do with
we started out together and we created something together, and
we have like this thing that when we were in
the studio and rehearsals and so on. But I will
say right now, it's good, but it's going to get
better in your right because we're gonna get you know,
some some a little bit of a staff, involves somebody
to help, you know, do the heavy lifting on the road.
That's going to take a big part of that of
the stress.
Speaker 3: Out of it.
Speaker 4: And we're gonna just hang out and go do shows.
You don't have food, you know, see other bands play,
come home to our families, you know, check comes to
the mail, and then that's it, you know, rinse wash, repeat,
right and no more bullshit. You know, we've all this,
we all said this, and I'll be honest, you know,
And and for those of you who don't, I don't talk.
Speaker 3: I don't I have never aired dirty laundry in my
fucking life.
Speaker 4: About my band because there's no sense in it.
Speaker 3: And and I'm a fan. I don't want to hear
Robert Platt talk shit about Jimmy Page. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I want you know what I mean, So I don't talk.
I've never talked shit about amateus band. But I will
tell you right now, this band, right now is probably
in the best place because we've set some rules up.
We've said, you guys, no more fighting, no more yelling,
no more Fucki's no that shit's gonna happen. Now, let's
just be If there's a problem, If there's an issue,
let's discuss it. If we can't resolve it, let's turn
around and walk away until the answer shows itself. So
in that sense, we're already off to a better start.
And we have been in our past at all.
Speaker 1: Well, I can already tell that you've excuse me, Izzie,
I can already tell how much you've evolved through maturity.
When you said we're gonna have food, Yeah, right, that
wouldn't be in the top twenty on your writer however,
many years ago. Food what's food? Right now you can
enjoy a nice steakhouse.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's exactly it. Hell yeah, we talked about steak
and getting some baked potato on the road. That's like,
that's like literally our jam right now.
Speaker 2: So fright right, Well, Jimmy, let me ask you this
is that one of the reasons that the reunion kind
of fell apart, it was what a couple of years ago,
because there weren't rules in place, and it was just
kind of falling back into the same old drama.
Speaker 4: Well, unfortunately, we try to do it during COVID, and
in that instance it was there was already so many
kind of uh uh barricades up for the band, per
you know, and so we just couldn't really sit down
and have discussions and and really the truth is we.
Speaker 3: Didn't kind of go back and clear some of the
era up. You know.
Speaker 4: One of the first things that me and the singer
Mark did is we went to a Mexican restaurant that
we both have grew up by and uh, unfortunately just closed.
I just found it just closed. You the ediclled Ordonnas,
which I'm so heartbroken by. But we sat there and
I said, Mark, I'm going to say some words that
might hurt you, but I mean out of love, because
I want this thing to work. And I don't want
to set us up for failure like that we did before.
So let's let's let's begin this process. You could say
the things, I can say things, but these are not
These are not coming from a bad place. They're coming
from a place that I want to heal from this.
I don't want to have all that shit hanging over
my shoulder where I'm pissed at you and you're pissed
at me about stuff. So we did do that, But
does that mean it prevents any future problems? You know,
it doesn't. You know, we're human beings and we're subject
to fail at a lot of places in our lives.
So that's why in the talking process and nobody gets
fucking angry and nobody does this stuff, I think, yeah,
kind of eliminating those things. And if we just go well,
I'm not happy now, bro, I'm gonna walk away. Okay,
I'm out, and just walk away for that time period
so we can then still know, Okay, we're still a band, yeah.
Speaker 3: And we're gonna move on.
Speaker 4: But I would love you guys, honestly, I would love
to finish my career with Bullet Boys. I started out
with those I was nineteen years old, when I did
the first BulletBoys album, I would love to say from here,
from fifty eight to sixty eight or seventy, I can
say that's it. I finished back here with it with
the band that I started with, and I will be
a fucking happy person.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's fucking beautiful. Yeah, fucking beautiful.
Speaker 1: Hey, it's funny too because and since you guys, since
you all do know each other over so many years, Yeah,
you notice in a relationship, when one person loses their shit,
the other person's like, Okay, I got this, you got more,
you got more, dudes, Yeah, pulling the weight, And it's
just I think you're right, man, it's just gonna get
a lot funner.
Speaker 4: I really do believe that because I think that, you know,
just the fact that we're being honest with each other.
You know, that's one of the things that a lot
of bands, you know, and we all know this, you know,
if it was easy for bands to reunite and stay reunited,
you'd see every fucking band out there doing it, you know.
And there's a reason that there's so few. I mean,
if you guys think about it, outside of right now
us Bullet Boys, there isn't one band from the eighties.
Speaker 1: That's all original, No exactly, dude, And why is Dean
Castronovo singing Steve Ferry parts in San Francisco before a
football game? Because people can't fucking get along.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you it's it is, very, very difficult because
it's not only personalities, but it's egos and it's feelings,
and people get hurt and it's a fuck you and
a fuck you, and then they decide to make that
entire decision reflect their business career.
Speaker 3: And don't get me wrong, I'm guilty of it. I've
done it before, you know. I think a lot of
us have done it.
Speaker 4: But I know that if you could set up some
guidelines to help each other, to kind of guardrails, if
you will, so no one fucking goes over the edge,
I think we're able to have some some luck, some hope,
that some success is staying together.
Speaker 3: So that's what I'm hopeful for you guys.
Speaker 2: Well, Jimmy and uh there there's actually three other ones
kings X. And when poison eventually does come back.
Speaker 4: Well, let's hope they come back. Yes, hope they You know,
I didn't know, I mean, I forgot Kingsax. You're right,
but I didn't know to our tour, so good for them.
I mean, listen, uh, it's it's just a crazy anomaly
to think that the benches can't do it. And then
you know, then before you know it, then somebody passes on,
you know, yeah, and then you get you get the dude.
I was in a band with Mike Star from alson
Shane's which is this is kind of a weird. It
was the last thing that he did when he passed away,
so that freaked me out a little bit. And then
I was in the last lineup of Jenny Lane's solo
vamped shit and then he died. And the dude, those
things kind of they fucking stay with you. They hurt
you because you know these people and you're traveling the
life with them, you know, step by step, we're talking,
we're having breakfast, we're out there on the road, and
then you get a call from one of their family members, Hey,
Janney's gone, and you're you're sitting there and you kind
of like you're shock.
Speaker 3: You're You're like gone, gone, gone, Okay, Janney's gone. Okay.
It's just like it's just fucking crazy things.
Speaker 4: So you know, again, we're trying to do this now
with bullet boys hate to be so morbid, but it's
kind of like you kind of have to put that
in the back somewhere, Like, you, guys, there's only so
much time we got on planet Earth, so let's do
our best. Please, Let's not funck this up, you guys.
Let's just do our best. And that that's where we
are right now.
Speaker 2: Jimmy, this is how I do things. I don't have
a list of questions in front of me.
Speaker 3: I shoot.
Speaker 2: I shoot from the hip, so we kind of bounce
all over the place.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: You talked about Michael Starr, you talked abou Jadie Wayne,
and you're sober. Yeah, how much did I mean, how
long have you been sober? And how did their their
deaths have an effect on that? Because obviously we know
what happened with.
Speaker 3: Them, right right.
Speaker 4: I've been cleaning sober now for twenty four years. I
just celebrated November nineteen, twenty four years. Correct, Thank you
so much, you guys, believe me. It doesn't get lost
on me. I'm well aware of, like how how difficult
it is that, first of all, to get clean and
sober is a miracle within itself because for most of us,
we've never had guidelines in our lives. I didn't have guidelines.
I was nineteen years old, shut up to gigs. It
was not only acceptable for me to be loaded, it
was expected for me to be loaded.
Speaker 3: I got to the venue. There was a godside with
a bag and he shook my hand and he goes,
what's up to me? D And I went, oh, hey,
what's up, bro?
Speaker 4: You know it was it wasn't just a part of
my life lifestyle, that was my business as well. So
the fact that I was able to have a moment
of clarity and and look around and go, this is
not going to last long.
Speaker 3: And I know it that in South America.
Speaker 4: But being able to stay clean and so over through the
trials and tribulations of life, you know, because just the
four or five freeway can make people fucking relax, you know.
So it's it's it's an interesting, you know concept to
be able to go okay, just for today, I'm not
going to take a drink, a snort, a pill or
anything that's gonna be mind altering. So for me, thank you.
It is a blessing. And I still I hold it
close to my heart.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: The tough part about it is which bo Janey and
Mike Starr. You know, I went to I took Mike
started meetings and and for a minute there I was
a sponsor and uh and I remember he was he
was always on the edge. He always stood on the edge,
you know, of being I'm gonna say abstinent. I don't
know if I say sober, but abstinately. And then and
then you know, and we could see it. Everyone around
it could see that, you know, he was having more
and more difficulty. And then uh, saying with Jane.
Speaker 3: But there's the saying. And I hate it.
Speaker 4: And I don't mean this to sound crude or disrespectful
or or heartless, but you know, for some addicts, alcoholics,
some have to die.
Speaker 3: In order for others to live. Sure, you know, and uh,
and I will tell.
Speaker 4: You it scared the fucking shit out of me to
know that my friends that I was hanging out with
it here in my house were dying from drugs and alcohol.
And it's it's it's listen, I'm no different. I'm a
day away from being one of those guys again.
Speaker 3: I'm a day away from relapsing.
Speaker 4: I got a bunch of money I got, I got guitars,
and I could fucking pull it and south.
Speaker 3: I mean, I I am.
Speaker 4: I'm much more closer to having a fucking overdose and
than ever before because now I have the money to
do it. So, you know, those guys remind me that, listen,
I have a disease. I have something that is a
big problem from for Jimmy. I can never say to
anybody who has a problem or who doesn't, and that's
not what it's about. But I do know that when
those things happen, it shakes you to your core. You
lose a dear friend, and it reminds you how precious
life is.
Speaker 3: So for me it was and for all of us.
Speaker 4: You guys knew those guys too, and it's it's devastating
to have our friends leave so soon in life. I mean,
they're never gonna see get grandkids. They're never going to
see you know, you know the other side on the
back nine, when we're out there playing like fucking you know,
Mick Jagger and fucking Keith Ridge. Hopefully when they're eighties,
you know, I mean, that would be a nice experience
for all of us to see each other go through that.
Speaker 2: You know, right, was it tough for you over the
pandemic being locked in and.
Speaker 4: Yes and no, I mean yes, uh for you know,
not seeing friends and family. Of course, I think for
all of us that that was the part that was
fucking that drove me crazy, not saying my mom because.
Speaker 2: They well, everything was closed except for the liquor stores.
Speaker 1: And the strip clubs and yeah, important and dealers still
had no problem going door to door.
Speaker 4: So right, right, right, that's so funny you say that,
But yeah, I don't. I don't really remember having a
problem per se as far as the uh, wanting to
take a drink or a snort or anything. The loneliness
was difficult, but I at that time I was think
I really had any issues with relapse, even though I
do know it was in my neck of the woodsider
because I'm in the valley receied in Northridge. There was
a lot of relapses of a lot of people that
I know, And you're right, it was a tough experience
for people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm in the valley too, and just being in
the valley most of the time is a reason to
have a drink, you know. And then and then God forbid,
in three days you got to go south of Sunset Boulevard.
You're like, shit, I need a drink now, right. The
valley has its own has its own wonderful curse to it.
But there are so many God blessed great musicians out here.
I mean you ever go out to uh Maui Sugar Mill.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: That out there in Tarzana. Yes, that's that's a bastion.
Ireland's thirty two on the edge of North Hollywood and
Van Eyes. Yeah, that's another. That's another great place. It's
like the San Fernando Valley pound for pound, I'll put
it against any other territory even OHI yeah, you know,
per per the guitars. Let's just put it at guitars
per capita. It's gonna be a high.
Speaker 3: Number, you know.
Speaker 4: Remember, I mean, I'm I'm literally five minutes from the
country club, the old country club. Yeah, I'm five minutes
from which is now at church, which is kind of wild.
Speaker 1: The Karate Kid country Club.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But dude, I mean, you know how mus Coke starting
there and now people are under praise and the Lord.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Yeah, but dude, everything comes full circle, right.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, but dude, we saw like Armored
Saint and Metallica there, I saw Malice there, I saw
fucking I mean, dude, we saw some of the greatest
rock bands there at the at the country club. Dude,
that's like, you know, for us, one of the places
you strive to play when you were a kid growing
up in La it was the true badoor on the
rock sy you know.
Speaker 3: The whiskey of Go Go.
Speaker 4: But but the country Club was kind of like almost
like an arena, you know, because it was so big,
you know, we loved it.
Speaker 2: Was any of those bands that when you saw them,
like like Metallica for instance, it seems aout the country club,
could you tell yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: The energy that was being displayed, not only by the
band but by the fans was it was palpable. It
was like you just knew you were a part of
some listen. I was part of the sunding with with
Motley Crue. We were seeing Motley Crue in the clubs
and Rat as well, and and the energy was just
you knew it was special. You knew you were a
part of something that was that had movement behind it.
And that's what gave me and my brother and all
my friends where we grew up playing music, knowing that
I just saw a band play at the Troubadour and
now they're out with you know, Van Handler, out with
you know some you know. So that was a real
eye opening experience to be able to see those bands play.
Speaker 3: And that's what's wild.
Speaker 4: Like I'm playing now with you know, Carlos Cavazo and
Warranty Martini and Steven Piercy. You know, that's a wild
thing for him because I grew up watching There's a
Carlos's first band was or one of the early bands
of a band called Snow, which is one of the
greatest rock bands for.
Speaker 3: Me, in the history of Los Angeles. Uh uh. And
so getting to hang out with those guys now.
Speaker 4: Is just such an amazing experience that I just got
to tell stories and stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, you talk about those those early days
and when you really think about it, it was a
moment in time. Yeah, I dou will never happen again,
right and it you know, the same thing happened in
the sixties with the British invasion and the Beatles and
ship like that. But what happened out here between the
San Fernando Valley and the Sunset Strip during that period
of time. It's an exclusive club that you're in. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so wild to think that how many bands
came out during that time period.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was like it was Quiet Riot, it
was Motley, it was a rat.
Speaker 4: There were just so many like little one offs that
I mean, we saw poison. I saw poison come into
town like they weren't here. And I was dating a
girl in Hollywood and I remember she was dating her
roommate was dating Brett, So we would go there and
before poison was poison, you know, I'd see Brett outside.
We talked and we were friends and stuff. We became
friends because we did, you know, roommates. You know, I
saw those guys get here. There was they were sleeping
on floors and fucking people. You know, I can't think
of where, but they were on sleep on floors at
some point. So again, you know, it was a time
period where if you wanted bad enough and you worked
your fucking ass off, you could have it.
Speaker 1: And you didn't die.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go, Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: Sorry to say it, but it's the truth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were.
Speaker 3: An LA kid, right, I'm one of the last actually
born and raised.
Speaker 4: It's actually I'm from Boyle Heights, which is around yeah
East sell it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, there are you kidding me that?
Speaker 4: Like I said, there's some Mextan restaurants that we're leaving,
but there's Alan Bees that's right there boy Heights. And
then of course there's the great place right there on
Alvera Street that.
Speaker 3: Sellsto's that it's just like.
Speaker 4: We go to the men and wife will go there,
just it takes us thirty five minutes to get there.
We'll eat in ten minutes, get back on our car
and drive thirty five minutes home.
Speaker 1: But did you ever there was a place It's a
placed on Santa Monica Boulevard right where it crosses either
the five or the one oh one called El g
On Burrito.
Speaker 3: No oh man, it was.
Speaker 1: It was like it was like a burrito flea market.
Yeah wow, I like the foutas like it's like almost
they had almost everything in food trucks and you just
eat outside. Oh but it closed down after COVID it's gone,
but now El Grand Burrito. And then in Santa Monica
there is a place called Tacos Poor Forvar' And I
thought I thought that both of those restaurants should be
should receive some acclaim for what they named their establishments.
Speaker 3: Interesting. Yeah, I'm sorry I missed that one.
Speaker 4: At least I would have let because that's what we
do now, me and my wife will.
Speaker 3: Go on a food tour and go find a new
place stage. Oh yeah, dude.
Speaker 1: I have you know. I've been down in Los Angeles.
I'm a Northern California kid, but I've been down in
LA for the past thirty years, and I found out
too truths to Mexican restaurants in Los Angeles. Number One,
the worse it looks on the outside, the better it
is on the inside. Yeah, anytime you see a Mexican
restaurant with neon lights and signs, avoid that place like
the plague. They're trying to get you in there because
no one wants to eat there. Number Two, dude, try
this sometime. I found a new test to try to
find a new Mexican place. I always look on a
Yelp or Uber Eats or whatever, and I search Caldo
the Poil. And if you make chicken soup good enough
to put it on the menu, I feel like I
can trust anything else. That's coming out of that kitchen.
Speaker 4: I've always thought, if the beans are good at a
Mexican restaurant, then pretty much everything is going to be good.
But if the beans are somehow overcooked or have too
much fat or too much of a a specific ingredient
that Yats saw, that's the way the rest of our food's.
Speaker 3: Going to be as well. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so much science to Mexican food.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, continue where I was going with. You're from there,
and you were talking about people, you know, sleeping on
floors like Blackie famously slept in a closet. Did you
ever have to go through that because you were from there,
you had you had a home to go to.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, I had a home to go to. You know
that that was one of the things, you know. Do
I think that it hurt me at all? I don't
think so. But I do know that there was a
sense of urgency of the guys I knew that came
out from other places, from you know, Michigan or from you.
Speaker 3: Know, somewhere.
Speaker 4: They came out and they had a sense of urgency
because they didn't want to sleep on the floor anymore,
so they worked ten times harder. I do I do
that very specifically. Yeah, guys did that. They worked for
a lot of those guys too. There was no going
back home.
Speaker 3: No, there wasn't. No, Yeah, no they couldn't.
Speaker 4: I knew guys that sold, like like John Carrabbi, who
I've known since he came here with his first band.
Speaker 3: Oh shit, I think what they're called around.
Speaker 2: So it was before the Scream.
Speaker 3: It was for the Scream. It'll come to me in
a minute.
Speaker 4: But if I'm not mistaking, I think they sold their
harleys to get out here, or that they I remember
him saying that, you know, they really they they did
what they had to do to get out here. And
but a lot of bands I remember hearing about them
coming out from back East that were just they will
do anything to become successful, you know. And that to
me is a sign of you know, seriousness about it,
because a lot of bands, listen, you know this, a
lot of bands just you know, if it happened and
happened for them, if it didn't, it didn't, you know.
But there's a lot of musicians I know that we're
that they were not going to give up anytime soon.
Speaker 2: Then, Yeah, we saw them on a decline of the
Western civilization part too, and then it never heard from
him again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there you go. Those guys. Yeah, they were
called Angara, that's what it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, John Bell was called what was I mean,
I have to remember that for when he's on the
show in a couple of weeks. He doesn't know it yet,
but I'm just proclaiming it. You know, the right up,
must have the ride up, you know, getting signed, the
whole thing that must want to blast. But how was
it when grunge hit, or, as I like to call it,
the Great Wall of Nirvana? And that was kind of
I mean, obviously it was the end of something that
at that time probably really needed to end because it
was just copycats clones in.
Speaker 4: And I tell you something, I have gotten a lot
of shit for saying this, and and the truth was this,
you guys, if we had in our genre more Rats
and Motley's and more bands that really were fucking like
like Tesla, you know, I thought I thought Kicks was
fucking one of the greatest bands I've ever seen in
my life. If we had more of those bands, grunge
would have done what it did. The reason gruns was
as successful is because it was a response to a
bunch of bland fucking music.
Speaker 3: That was a formula. You got a.
Speaker 4: Blonde singer, yep, you wrote some ballads, and then you
fucking got signed, and then you went to work.
Speaker 3: That to me was.
Speaker 4: Complete horseship, because to me, rock and roll was always
about kind of traveling into new places and still doing
it with angst and love and fucking with your balls
and your cock hanging out.
Speaker 3: That was rock and roll for me.
Speaker 4: You know, our plant, you know, out there with his
fucking cock to the left on his in his t
I was like that motherfucker's badass, you know, yeah, you know,
I just I we lost all that, We lost all that.
There was no more integrity, there was no more less fucking.
That's why Guns n' Roses when they came out, I
remember we were too.
Speaker 3: We were all in l A.
Speaker 4: And of course I had known both the bands coming up.
You know, uh when it was uh what was out,
it was uh there was something else before that, uh.
Speaker 2: Before Tracy started it as Guns and Roses.
Speaker 3: But there was something else about for a second there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever, excellent, excellent, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Okay, So but I and I remember we saw that
stuff and it was good.
Speaker 3: It wasn't phenomenal, it was okay.
Speaker 4: And then then they went away and they came back,
and I remember we saw them at some small club
in Hollywood, and I was like, what the fuck.
Speaker 3: It just happened?
Speaker 4: Like you like, like I said, like you know, with
Motley and seeing certain bands come out, you know, we
saw Race gets Machine when they got the night they
got signed, we saw them at a venue and you
knew it.
Speaker 3: You knew, like, holy shit, this is the beginning something
new and changed.
Speaker 4: It was like so like like a parent. And again
those bands all had heart, soul and a message. Guns
and Roses rage.
Speaker 1: You know, any bend that came, you know, it's funny,
as I could say going off of that is Guns
n' Roses was one bookend of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Gn R changed everything everything overnight.
Speaker 3: Everything, dude.
Speaker 4: I remember everybody looked like had teased hair and had
a certain look. And then they came out and then
literally the next day everybody had cowboy boots and let
their hair grow out long, and they looked a little
more fucking.
Speaker 3: Like only chic. Like I was like, what just happened?
Like you said, it happened overnight. It was wild.
Speaker 2: Well even though in the jungle video actual had the
fucking hair right, you know.
Speaker 3: When?
Speaker 2: So when did you got into you got into movie
and TV music production? Correct? How long after Bullet Boys?
After after the original fizzle out? Did that happen? And
are you still doing it? Because your Wikipedia only goes
up to like twenty eighteen.
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 4: Thank you for remind me. I'm gonna have to update that. Yeah,
that was through my wife. My wife was at Emi
Music Publishing for a lot of years, so she was,
you know, getting me in contact with people there. And
there was a program there, the Master's Program, where they
were re recording masters and stuff. And I was bringing
in certain artists musicians with me and we're just retracking stuff,
putting stuff in you know, uh, just certain places, just
a placement for songs in television.
Speaker 3: I did stuff some up with a couple of guys
out here.
Speaker 4: And the funny part about it is, I really was
what's the songs left the studio? For the most part,
I don't know really where they went, you know, I
just know they were sold out of here. But a
couple of them it was nice to hear, you know,
or see, like you know, in a pinball machine somewhere
or something like that. I still I think it takes
me in to no end when if you ever watched
the movie beer Fest, Bullet Boys has a heart of
heart Zarrakas and beer Fest right when they start to
train by drinking alcohol to to the point of nauseum
and then they hit the tape player and Bullet Boys
starts right then, you know, uh, to me stuff like that,
I just thought, it makes me happy to the land
that you know that we're still doing something out there
like that.
Speaker 2: Right. Well, it's so weird that there's three guys that
I know in our genre. You Tim Boser from junk
Yard and Fred Curry and I mean friends on a
whole nother one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he's whole new level. Yeah, yeah, actually is Fred.
Speaker 4: One day I was at a studio and we were
because we hang out just lunch and we have I
remember I did the first major tour of my life
was Cinderella Winger Bowl of Boys. It was like five
and a half months sold out, so we you know.
Speaker 3: When you do that, you live with somebody.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was fucking it was nutty cool nineteen Yeah,
it was absolutely and and Fred just took to me.
He liked me, said he was, hey, Jimmy d come
with me to go do what we're doing an in store,
come with me. And I'm like, okay, and I just
go hang out with him all day. So we have
always been close. I mean we talked literally, you know,
every other day. We still talk, you know, and and
we're just I love him dearly. But I went to
a studio one day and he's sitting there and he's like, hey,
because to my favorite, just go get those sticks and
then hit this floor Tom and give me like.
Speaker 3: This this this cadence oft gun shuck it to guns,
shuk it to guns.
Speaker 4: I go, yeah, and then I go and do it,
and then we uh, then we you know, we go
get lunch and we leave.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: Fast forward, I'm an l a King's game and the
King score.
Speaker 3: A goal and then this song comes out second Dig
and I go, what the I'm hitting a forecom in
the song? That's it? And I didn't even know that
the one it was more for the Kings. He doesn't
need it for the Kings. It was just I called
it and I go, dude, you were your epic bro epic,
that's amazing.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys, if either of you
guys have heard this, if you've been watching in the
NFL over the past season. But and this is probably
easily discernible by a quick Internet search, but I don't
work that way. I have a I have a feeling,
a sneaking suspicion that Paul Rogers sold his catalog and
someone involves with NFL Broadcasts bought it, and everything except
for Paul's voice has obviously been retracked. It's like you're
hearing bad Company, you're hearing free, But you know you're
not hearing bad Company. You're not hearing free. You are
hearing Paul Rogers and a bunch of La Studio musicians
who just wrote out everybody from a mechanical royalties going forward. Wow,
And I just I don't know the answer. I'm kind
of hoping somebody else does, but I'm sure the Internet
has the answer.
Speaker 2: But yes, yes, bad Company. This is according to the
AI overviewkay Primary Wave acquires the catalogs of bad Companies
Paul Rogers.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: It wasn't fully sold, alright. Lead singer Paul Rogers sold
a significant stake in this publishing royalties and master recording
income streams for both Bad Company and Free primary Wave
to Primary Wave Music in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: And well, and now I feel empty? Dude, what am
I going to do? Now? What's my new conspiracy theory
is he I didn't want this solved immediately?
Speaker 3: Yeah, right right now.
Speaker 2: Well you can Nawston, that's the thing. You can tell
when that happens, because this is like, there's fucking cold
Gin is showing up its fucking commercials. Now, yeah, I
saw that. Fucking It's great, It's fucking great.
Speaker 1: I'd rather just company.
Speaker 4: So I'm always conncerned that just the money needs to
be going to the right places. That's always after Spotify,
We're just fucked were the musicians are just I mean
I checked one time. I think Bullet Boys has like
six million streams, and I was getting like nothing, just
absolutely nothing, just crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just cashed out my uh for four years.
I think it was. I made eleven dollars. It's just
a good song.
Speaker 3: Dude's so fucking just being as horrible. It's just fucking horrible, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well grant it's only got like thirty seven streams.
But but listen.
Speaker 4: But we all now know when fucking Lars Olark was
fucking ringing the bell.
Speaker 3: Back in the day. Yep, we should have all fucking
listened to him.
Speaker 1: And I was on I was on team Metallica during
that whole Napster ship.
Speaker 4: Dude, I'm telling you, I didn't understand what he was
talking about. I'll be person honest. I was like, how
do I fucking affect me? Like whatever, dude, this is
how it affects me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Well, apparently the rumor and innuendo says that there was
somebody had a fucking deal that was great for everybody,
and the record company said no, and then fuck it.
I'm just gonna the dude that created Napster and like
he brought them the idea and they're like, nah, fuck
this and it's going to ruin us.
Speaker 4: Listen, of course, because now the record labels know they
can make much more money because they make the deals
themselves through this, So that's why they're like, why pay
these guys, But I can make the money. So it's
just it's it's a bad scene because you know, and
listen for guys like me and musicians who who you know,
get a little bit of something that's one thing. But
for a new band they make they make music for free.
Literally they just make it as a calling card. And
that's fucked up.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: That's just to me, like that.
Speaker 1: It's not fucked up when you're nineteen, though, Well it isn't.
Speaker 4: It isn't because you both you and I both know
so that we would do it for free back then.
Speaker 3: Yes, because that's it's just that's all you're right.
Speaker 4: But when after ten years of this guy doing it
and he has a kid and stuff and realizes, he's like,
I get nothing from this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's a tough part.
Speaker 2: But well do you think, Jimmy, let me ask you this,
do you think that's going to affect the business going
forward with people wanting to get into it.
Speaker 4: I think that what it's going to do personally is
it's going to alter the way people the amount of
time and effort they put into music.
Speaker 3: I think they're going to use AI to make music.
It's not going to be something.
Speaker 4: That like you and I sit like you got your
guitar behind you. You sat there for fucking years trying
to fucking go okay, what the fuck? And then you
practice and you learn, and then you went and you
got into a studio and you paid the guy. This process, Okay,
I think that kids say, we'll go, well, God, that
seems like I got to from it. But I'll just
have AI do this or I'll have this do this,
And I think that we're just gonna get a water
down version of.
Speaker 3: Music these days.
Speaker 1: I agree, And I'm going to add to that by
offering that we're going to see a lot less touring musicians. Yeah,
because people are now free to create something on a
computer that they cannot reproduce and.
Speaker 3: They don't have to. You're right, they won't have to.
Speaker 4: You're right, Yeah, right, Well, and that's that for all
of us, because I want listen.
Speaker 3: We grew up watching some of the greatest rock and.
Speaker 4: Roll musicians in the history of the world. We saw
Queen in nineteen seventy eight. We saw Queen, and but
when we left that the Forum, I remember just feeling
like I had discovered plutonium. I'm not like I discovered
something that was going to change the world. I did
by seeing Freddie Mercury, you know. But the year before
we saw Van Helen at the Forum and set Dave
Roth and Ederar. Van Helen was just like you feel
like you're now you have the secret to life, to
the universe, you know what to do now. It just
it just changes your life. And now these kids they
will never have that experience, do you right.
Speaker 1: I mean they can still watch The Wall on acid. Yeah,
kind of get the same, right, right, But yeah, no,
that's wow. Yeah, absolutely, And but I guess the other
side of that coin is it's going to force live
music back to the localities and we're going to start
seeing the resurgence of garage bands. I hope so fucking
heavy and hard now.
Speaker 3: I hope so. And I haven't seen some of that.
Speaker 2: You're right, Jimmy, do you think the relationship with the
music has changed? I mean, you remember what it was.
It was so different for us because we didn't have
it in our fingertips. I remember going to my first
Kis show, which was hot in the shade, and I
had that feeling of, oh my god, I'm in the
same building as fucking Jen and Paul right now. Yeah,
you know, do you think that relationship has changed and
that that worship has changed?
Speaker 3: Huh Well, I think I think here's what's weird.
Speaker 4: Because I work with a lot of young kids, you know,
well not anymore, but that was a while I was
working with younger kids, and to them kissing Van Halen
and Aerosmith, they're that's more folklore for them, you know.
For us, we had the ability to go, oh, they're
in town. I'm gonna buy a ticket to go see them.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: For for them, that this is it's like like Hammer
the Gods. It's like this this entity out there. But
I what I will say, that's what's interesting is we
don't have any musicians who are leaving the charge. I
feel like that's something that I've noticed that, you know,
like a movement. You know, when Marilyn Manson came out,
I remember seeing all these little goth kids coming out.
You know, I don't care what anybody says about fred Durst.
He maybe a dick, you may hate him, but when
he came out the way he dressed and the way
he acted, I saw a bunch of little fuckers running
around like.
Speaker 3: Him, you know.
Speaker 4: And those are again, these are the entities that help
to further these musicians as they're growing up, and they
can say, oh, yeah, when I was a kid, I
was in a fred Durston. Now, of course I found
Tom Waits you know, I found you know, Captain Beefheart,
and I understand more about what it is to be
a real musician. But I just think that unfortunately because
you know, for several things, MTV, which I don't know
if you guys know this, but MTV is done as
of the thirty first year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which a very important part of your career too.
Speaker 4: Listen, for a lot of musicians that we would not
have the careers we'd had if it wasn't for him.
Speaker 1: Again, you're members of an exclusive club.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and uh and and again without them and
without like real radio bands just can't have the careers
that they deserve, no matter how they are, because they
just don't have the tentacles that go out everywhere and
get to fans and people go.
Speaker 3: Oh, what band is this?
Speaker 4: Oh this is really cool. They just don't have that ability,
and that's a tough part. But they do have the Internet, yep.
But also in that same instance, there's now where there
used to be ten thousand bands, now there's literally one
hundred and ten thousand bands, And so it's you're dizzy
from the amount of intake, you know, looking around for
new bands, you're dizzy from it.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it was. Actually I did want to bring
this up before when I first brought it up. But
you know, Trunk, any Trunk always says it like, it's
great that anybody can put out music, but it sucks
that anybody can put out music because everybody bitched about
the gatekeepers, but those gatekeepers did it a very important job.
Yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I said about podcasting when it first started.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, I've.
Speaker 1: Spent thirty years in radio. I'm like, what now, anybody
anybody can fucking talk into a goddamn microphone. This is
fucking bullshit.
Speaker 4: Yes and no, because because listen, I watched some podcasts
and I'll watch one one time, and I go, these.
Speaker 3: These casts don't know what they're doing there.
Speaker 4: They think it's it's as simple as talking to a microphone,
and it's far far far from that. In order to
engage in audience with with actual with with some type
of intellect that makes them go oh, I never thought
about that.
Speaker 3: That's a that's an art form in itself.
Speaker 2: I don't care what the fuck are you doing on
this show?
Speaker 3: Oll listen, you offered me some good money.
Speaker 2: I thought, you know, oh, there's that yeah, Jimmy kind
of taking this full circle. Since we're on the business
side of it right now, has there been any talk
about Bullet Boys maybe wanting to do music. Are you
just taking it one step at a time?
Speaker 3: Well we are till.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we are taking it one step at a time.
But I spoke with make a while back, or I say,
well a while back. We've all had been doing this
for about the less of a month, and he mentioned,
you know, maybe just sitting down and sifting through some
of the old demos that we have, And I think
that's a really good idea.
Speaker 3: You know, it would be nice to put something out.
Speaker 4: Uh, let's be honest, though, is he does anybody really
care when.
Speaker 3: A band from our our generation.
Speaker 4: Puts on a new album, because what we've done already
is we've given them what they want. Okay, listen to
the first album, you know, it's just it's what made us.
The second album for me is my favorite because I
was actually involved in the process. I was meaning as
far as I was, I was there, I was present.
But I think that bands put records out today for
a different reason altogether.
Speaker 3: I think it's to show Hi, we still know how
to do this.
Speaker 4: One thing right, and of course then it provides new
merch as well.
Speaker 3: And you know, for a fan fan, they can say, oh.
Speaker 4: You know what, I could go I would like to
go out and purchase or download or whatever the hell
the problem these days, you know, And I think that
that is a good thing, because, you know what, I
don't want to live off laurels. At the same time,
you know, I'm not fooled. I don't think we're gonna
sell you know, a ship ton of records. I don't
think we want to, you know, break any sound barry
of like whoa, something great happen. But I think it
would be fun. I think it would be fun to
get the studio with Mark, with Mick and Lonnie and
sit there and count out one dude well too, and
you know, do do a recording, you know, and actual
recording as a band. To me, that would be a
lot of fun. I would hope for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But you know, like you said, it's like, does
anybody really care? It's like that's a double edged sword,
because it is. I did, like I do the Patreon
and I did an episode on that. But there's the
other side of it, where the hardcore fans do well,
think about.
Speaker 1: It this way. Think about this though. Here's a good question.
Do you think you'd be more apt to sell your
new record to an audience after you showed them the
respect of not playing any of your new songs? Ooh,
that's a good question, because gay, hey, on your way,
by the way, end of the show. By the way,
we got a new record. Uh, we're not gonna play
any of it, but you can pick up a copy
on your way out. Here's the song you all came for,
end of show house lights goodbye Hey, you're touching.
Speaker 3: But wait a minute, you know what that's still on
as bad.
Speaker 4: And I know we've all seen this where we go
and see whatever favorite bands from you know, from the
back in the day, and they don't play the songs
you go to see them play You're life. Well, dude,
I want to hear those three songs. You didn't play
any of those songs. That, to me is the bigger
slap of the face. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, I agree, I agree, but i'd
like The Black Crows is one of my favorite bands
of all time. I've seeing them over fifty times and
I don't really care when they play. She talks to angels.
That's when I'll go take a he can get a beer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, you're You're right, that's different. You don't want
to know why for me personally, because the radio killed
that song for me, right. You know, once I heard
it at Ralphs, I was I was over that.
Speaker 1: Trou oh ship. Dude. Yeah, you're just trying to get
some pepper and chini and some toilet paper fu.
Speaker 4: And I was like, you know, I found the semay
about Death Leopard because I was a Death Leopard fan
and that at a time, I just I got thick
of them, not because any thing of their own doing.
The radio stations in LA played them to death.
Speaker 3: And it made me not like them.
Speaker 2: But I think we have that mentality from the musician
point of view, there's a reason that when they play
those songs, the crowd goes wild, and there's a reason
those songs had that airplay is because they're good for you.
Didn't hate on the mind all you want, Like I said,
I know, I know, I know, I know, I know,
I know exactly what you meant. I didn't. I know
you didn't mean that. But I think sometimes that as
musicians and being in the industry, we have to remember
that instead of just hating this fucking song because we've
heard it ten billion times. Well, there's a reason we've
heard it ten billion times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And also that's probably for me personally. That's when
I stopped listening to the radio and thought, you know,
I mean, I don't know how many years ago I
was buying songs from iTunes, I was buying them, you know,
I don't know if you guys knows, you know that
you can't buy songs anywhere from iTunes?
Speaker 1: Oh you rend them?
Speaker 3: You rent them?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you can't anymore. Did that change?
Speaker 1: You have to subscribe?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you subscribe.
Speaker 1: Subscription is the I went to go.
Speaker 3: Buy something other day and nope, it's not. The option
is not there.
Speaker 2: Did you have to go to the store.
Speaker 4: Even at the store, I think there's something there that
was weird that I couldn't do.
Speaker 3: I was it was a weird.
Speaker 2: Because I've I've bought songs recently.
Speaker 3: Did you see you bought songs? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like, how long is it has it been? Do you think, well,
what I'm doing?
Speaker 4: I have a funk band, you guys, a funk cover
band that we just played nothing but the funk and
the whole funk, and there I was able to buy something,
but I bought him from somewhere else, and it wasn't
them at bottom of hear somewhere else. Uh but uh,
and then I put him into a which is really bad.
Speaker 1: You guys.
Speaker 3: There's there's an app now that creates stems.
Speaker 4: So I took out the drums, the guitar and the bass,
and then I have all I have earth wind and fire,
all the horns, all the background vocals, all the keyboard
parts in my pa here to a click track.
Speaker 2: So you're and you're playing along with it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So me, I'm on drums, I got a guitar player,
I got a bass player and they both lead sing
and it is my wife's in the house and she
comes in.
Speaker 3: She's like, that wasn't the Gap band And I'm like, nope,
she goes, that was you. I go yep.
Speaker 4: She's like, it's out because because you have the ability
through technology. You know, now we're you know, we're saying
some negative stuff about technology today.
Speaker 3: You know what you know, But that is absolutely.
Speaker 4: Incredible for me because I want a three piece bad
and this is a way to do it where I
can still do all the instruments, but.
Speaker 3: It is scary to know.
Speaker 4: I got you know, Stevie Wonder's actual keyboard part, you
know in my studio.
Speaker 1: That's pretty sweet, dude. Yeah, that's that's using that's using
the technology, not the technology using you.
Speaker 2: You know, and go, let me ask you this, Jimmy,
I mean, since you're doing that, I mean, how do
you feel about bands from your era using tracks and
using avery? What?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 2: Miss the late great Jeff Lebar used to call pixie dust.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh, you know it's funny because I know you know.
Speaker 2: A lot of people who do it well, of course.
Speaker 4: Of course, but I know Eddie Trunk had had you know,
he really frowns upon it, and he's mentioned in many
a time that he thinks it's you know, if you
can do what you can do, then maybe you shouldn't.
Speaker 3: Do it, you know.
Speaker 4: I I used to be a hard stand on you
know what, if you can't do it, then fucking stop
doing it.
Speaker 3: But the older I get them.
Speaker 4: I realized if the fans are having a good time,
then I.
Speaker 3: I don't care anymore.
Speaker 4: Honestly, No, listen if it's every bit, if you're if
you're not singing if you're not playing the guitar and basically,
then it's like that that's a hard no. But if
you're still playing and you have background vocals or keyboard
part or some different some go, that's different. But if
you're doing everything, then stop.
Speaker 3: I just stop. Come on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think if the lead vocals are all tracks,
it's like, yeah, yeah, you know, I I agree. I've
heard that Frankie Valley is basically that's what he's also
nine hundred years old.
Speaker 3: That's different.
Speaker 4: Now I accept that guy because I can still I'll
see him personally.
Speaker 3: I'll go with that.
Speaker 4: But if you're still in your early your late fifties
sixties and you already got backing tracks doing every instrument there,
and that's like, that's a hard like come on you guys.
Speaker 2: Like if I ever get to go see Barry manel
and I find out he's lip syncing, I'll be crying.
Not because I'm in the room with Barry Manilo right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that and because he doesn't have a big
band there. Yes, you will cry when you're in the
room with Barry Manilow. We all know it. All cry.
Jimmy will cry. Everybody cries. He writes the songs that
make the young Girls cry.
Speaker 3: He took the words right out of my mouth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, must have been while you were kissing me, Jimmy,
is there anybody left that you haven't met that you
would get nervous around or still do get nervous around?
Like every time I see Cottson, I hail him. He's
a friend of mine. But it's like, Hi, Richard, is
there anybody you get nervous around or would get nervous around?
Speaker 3: You know? I don't think so because and I'll tell
you why.
Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 4: On my twenty first birthday at the Rainbow Bar and Grill,
I was sitting there and my manager at the time,
Dave Kaplan, who still manages me on you know from
time to time, Dave Kaplan, he walked over to me
and he goes, Jimmy, he goes, get up. We were
out at a table, got a huge party in the
very back of the of the place. He walks me
over and there's Robert Plant sitting right there, and he
goes like I'm the special one. He goes, Robert Plant,
I would like you to meet Jimmy Deander from Bullet Boys.
And Robert gets up out of the booth and I'll
never forget because and I'm not a short guy.
Speaker 3: I'm sem I'm sixteens old.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I remember he stood up and I remember
I looked up at him.
Speaker 3: This is in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 4: Nine, eight ninety somewhere in that department, and I remember
looking up at him and he starts talking to me,
and he's like, hey, mate, so how's it going. And
I'm like, oh, it's going good, you know. And I'm
talking to Robert Plant about music. And I just remember,
like like having flashbacks of going to the midnight showing
of watching song remains the same right there in UCLA.
I kept in there's a movie theater they used to
have a midnight showing a rocky horror picture Zeppelin the Wall,
and I remember like just looking at him and then
here he is talking to me about music.
Speaker 3: And after that it was.
Speaker 4: Kind of like everybody I met, Like I hung out
at Van Halen and Ed was always you know, he's
a sweetheart.
Speaker 3: Used to give me big wet kisses on my cheek,
you know.
Speaker 4: One of the first time I ever started at Coke
was with davidly Roth and Mark Treene at the Rainbow.
Speaker 3: I was like seventeen.
Speaker 4: Years old, but Robert Plant was just a different It
was like, I can't ever explain it. It's just like
it's like pretty much almost talking to a beatle or something.
It's just like, you know, chances. So after that, nobody
really ever fucked me up like that because I just
kind of like it. You just kind of go, why
I just saw the sun and now you know there's
other things but the the sun.
Speaker 1: You ever thought about writing a book?
Speaker 4: You know, I've got I've had some experiences and and
I've talked to people and they said I should do that,
especially with my getting clean and sober, because that there
was some really dark, ugly stuff that I experienced and
they said that stuff that, you know, and then getting
clean really could be a good a good read. But
but stories like that. And got into a fight with
Eddy van Halen, a physical fist fight.
Speaker 3: Hold on, time out, time hold listen.
Speaker 4: I don't want to get into that right now, but
I but listen, listen.
Speaker 2: This time.
Speaker 1: That will be in the book.
Speaker 3: It will be. It will be because it was. It was.
It was a thing.
Speaker 2: Did he show up in a in a hummer with
the fucking with with the camel shorts and fucking guns
and ship trying to get his guitar backs from you or.
Speaker 1: Yeah, give us, give us venue time of day. And
what he was wearing, just give us that much.
Speaker 3: Is that the forum.
Speaker 4: It was in his dressing room and it was surrounded
by uh two of his security guards and my security guards.
Speaker 1: That's awesome to start drums.
Speaker 3: Just very drunk and coked up. It's the very bad scene.
Speaker 2: Good times, Uh, Mark Mark, And of course I said Mark,
well hi Mark, Uh Jimmy people want to find you.
Where can they find you?
Speaker 4: You know, I don't I'm not like a really heavy
presence in the internet world, but I am on all socials,
so you can find me anywhere from Facebook to Instagram,
TikTok x, you know pretty much all those places. And uh,
you know, I do my best to to to to
stay in the know. I'm working on a YouTube channel
so I can start doing I'm doing drum stuff. A
breakdown of like, let's listen to Aerosmith. Let's talk about
what Joey Kramer did in this one section, and let's
dissect it and go from high att to snare him
to kick drum.
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna start doing that hopefully somewhere soon.
Speaker 2: Nice breaking down one hundred thousand years the live one version.
Oh see Peter and Chris now one of the most
underrated and all fucking drummers that people shop on. And
he's so fucking awesome.
Speaker 4: I'll go further than that, is he he is possibly
one of the most important drummers in in uh, in
contemporary music.
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you why. I know, I know drummers
will go what but.
Speaker 4: No, no, if this is a fucking billion percent truth, he
influenced the starting of a of a human being picking
up drumsticks and putting them down on a beat on
a on a drum and a snare drum on something,
possibly more than any drummer in the history of the world.
And I'll tell you this is the reason why, Okay
a John Bonham, when you start to listen to drumming
there he's too out of your range.
Speaker 3: What he does seems it's it's it's like going to
the moon. It's just too much. But he did.
Speaker 4: And remember the Beatles. The music movement had started with
Ringo Starry. I mean, you know, you really couldn't be
a musician. It was something that somebody else did. But
by the mid seventies everybody was trying to be a musician,
and Peter Chris was one of the first guys to say, listen,
do this God.
Speaker 3: And when he did that, I was like, I want
to do that. I want I want to do what
he's doing. Show me. I want who can show me
how to do this?
Speaker 4: It was like almost like I said earlier, it's like discovering, uh,
you know, an ingredient that you didn't know existed on
the planet, and then he shows it to you and
you just want to do it. And I did it
every day once I you know, once I learned how
to play the drum beat to Do You Love Me?
Speaker 3: I played that every day.
Speaker 4: For hours and hours every day, all day, months and
two years.
Speaker 2: And it was It's weird. It's like with Peter and
even with Steven Adler, there was a swing and there
was a feel that nobody could replicate. There was it
was all in the wrists. And because you know, obviously
Pet you know, Peter came up on Krupa and and
all those big band jazz stuff, which which is what
he brought to rock and roll, and he just had
a f feel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he did ye.
Speaker 4: But but but you have the nail on the head
because he came from a big band background.
Speaker 3: That's what gave him.
Speaker 4: And Kiss their swing and uh and Steven Adler, I mean.
Speaker 3: Listen, you could say whatever you want.
Speaker 4: When Steven would get up and do those three songs
with gn R and when he came back for that minute,
it sounded it was guns n' roses. Nothing against Frank,
nothing against any drumm spender, the old fucking you're all great.
But when he played those songs, everyone went, oh, that's it.
What I was trying to figure out what was wrong.
He's not fucking there. When he played Dude Onto, I
was like, I exhaled him.
Speaker 3: I did got heart. At the same time, I was like,
thank you, Steven, thank you. Fuck. It's just so perfect, man.
Speaker 1: That's how you know. That's how you know it's not real.
Bad company songs on the NFL promo bumpers right. One
other quick question for you, Jimmy. You mentioned the funk
cover band that you're in. You guys play around the
San Fernando Valley and part two of that question. Although
they're not a traditional funk band, do you guys do
any blood sweat and tears.
Speaker 4: We don't do blood, sweat and tears, but we literally
the band's called Mandatory Get Down.
Speaker 3: Okay, Mandatory Get Down.
Speaker 4: So three Piece is Derek Day, who actually plays with
Stephen Perkins in a couple of bands, and he's actually playing.
Speaker 3: With a couple of different guys. He's just a sweetheart
of a kid. And then the other gentleman is, Oh
my god, I'm gonna go blank because of the medicine.
I'm on. I'm so you guys know I'm getting over
cold right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Griffin Tucker, Sorry, sorry, Griffin, Okay, Griffin Tucker is a
is a phenomenal musician, singer. Sorry, but but those guys
they play in Perspective bands and they came together with
me and we do these We we do everything from
Michael Jackson and I mean the good Michael Jackson to Parliament.
Speaker 1: Not the not the child toucher Michael Jackson, the good
Michael Jackson.
Speaker 4: Right, Okay, we don't do any child touching, Ohio players,
we do uh gosh darn a cameo. I mean, we
do songs that I mean even word up, bro, we
do all that stuff. And I'm telling you it's three
hours of dance that you'll come and see it. And
every song you'll go, I fucking love this song, and
the next song that was fire. I love this song.
Every song we play. At one point you just kind
of go, this is exhausted. At some point it's just.
Speaker 1: All right, mandatory get down. Is that on the Insta
or the twitters as we like? All right, but you're
gonna see me out of the show, dude.
Speaker 4: Rehearsal are in here and you'll gonna come out and
hang out. But we're definite gonna be booking out in between.
Bullet Boys and their bands that they got going.
Speaker 2: All right, fucking love it, Jimmy DeAnda, Bullet Boys back again,
Yes boys, good Bullet looking up now outrow Music. Mike Dawson.
People want to find you. Where can they find the
great Dos Angeles.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 3: We're a little late. Just say good night, Christie, good night,
good night,