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<v Speaker 1>We talked about a lot of artifacts and buildings, temples, pyramids,

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<v Speaker 1>and other structures here on Earth ancients. But I became

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<v Speaker 1>aware of what it's known as the Lead Cotises probably

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<v Speaker 1>about five years ago, and I had invited David Elkinson,

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<v Speaker 1>who wrote the book on the topic called Discovering the

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<v Speaker 1>Lead Curtises a few years ago, but he rebuffed me

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<v Speaker 1>and said, no, I can't have you. I can't have

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<v Speaker 1>I can't be on the program because I have too

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<v Speaker 1>much information that I need to sort out and THEO

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<v Speaker 1>is now not up to date. So I said, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll wait for you to come up with more data,

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<v Speaker 1>and here we are. The data has been completed. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's funny because they these are these interesting plates that

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to learn about today that were found in

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan in the Middle East in a cave system, and

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<v Speaker 1>they brought so much controversy because the Church got upset

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<v Speaker 1>immediately and said they were forgeries. The Jordanian government, the

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<v Speaker 1>Egyptian government, the Israeli government all in it almost acquire

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<v Speaker 1>like fashion, said this is fake.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you doing? And a number of people, including

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<v Speaker 2>David and his wife Jennifer, were able to get scientific

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<v Speaker 2>evaluations done of these seventy plates which make up these books,

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<v Speaker 2>and what we're going to hear about today is what

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<v Speaker 2>they discovered. Hey, this is Cliff, your host of Earth Ancients,

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<v Speaker 2>and what we're talking about is is known as the

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan led Cotises. And I've been wanting to get this

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<v Speaker 2>out for a while because not only is it significant,

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<v Speaker 2>it's about as as significant as its Dead Sea Scrolls.

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<v Speaker 2>Because when the Dead Sea Scrolls came out now almost

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<v Speaker 2>seventy years ago, they were immediately dismissed. They were immediately

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<v Speaker 2>thought of as forgeries, and it turns out that they're not.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's one of those things when you're dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>organizations and institutions where change is really slow, and we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about this all the time with archaeology. New discoveries

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<v Speaker 2>will come up, new people will have new thought, and

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<v Speaker 2>they'll be rejected and it's like, hey, if you're not

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<v Speaker 2>part of the status quo, then don't say anything, which

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of sad because it doesn't really open the

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<v Speaker 2>door to a new thought. And this is the big

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<v Speaker 2>problem with organized academic science and study is that it

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<v Speaker 2>takes time. It took fifty years for us too or

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<v Speaker 2>people to adopt the Dead Sea Scrolls, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>we're looking at the same kind of a deal here

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<v Speaker 2>with the Jordan Codices. Now there's a lot of interesting

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<v Speaker 2>aspects of it. There's unusual symbology on these tablets, on

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<v Speaker 2>these codices, and we're going to hear about the analysis

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<v Speaker 2>today of the what technology tells us about these unusual codices.

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<v Speaker 2>But the message within the manuscript I thought was fascinating,

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<v Speaker 2>which is, according to these coteses Jesus Christ. And by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, the scripture the writing is what's known as

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<v Speaker 2>Paleo Hebrew. Paleo Hebrew goes as far back as five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred BC, excuse me, a thousand BC, and way before Christ.

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<v Speaker 2>And what apparently is happening is that there's a rebellion

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<v Speaker 2>among the people during Christ's time and including his followers.

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<v Speaker 2>And what we get is that Christ or Jesus of Nazarene,

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<v Speaker 2>is not founding a new religion, but restoring an ancient

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<v Speaker 2>tradition from the time of King David a thousand years

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<v Speaker 2>before his birth. And this is what we get. We

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<v Speaker 2>get passages in this codis and this is you know again,

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<v Speaker 2>because there's no paper trail, because there's no other documents

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<v Speaker 2>that hint at these codises. This is very upsetting to

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<v Speaker 2>the church. They don't want anybody saying that there's other scriptures,

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<v Speaker 2>there's other data. I mean, I would say, why not.

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<v Speaker 2>I am not a church going person. I never have been.

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<v Speaker 2>My belief is in personal spirituality. And if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to take up the story of Jesus Christ or marry

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<v Speaker 2>or or the Disciples or Moses or whatever, fine, fine,

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<v Speaker 2>But don't I mean for me, having somebody interpret the Bible,

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<v Speaker 2>having somebody interpret the scriptures or sacred Tora or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just buying into someone else's feelings and philosophy. And

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<v Speaker 2>it can help. I guess. I guess I should be

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<v Speaker 2>I should be so hard. It can help open the

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<v Speaker 2>door and help with your knowledge of the scriptures. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think people tend to fall over themselves and praise

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<v Speaker 2>the pastor praise the priest, praise the rabbi for extoring,

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<v Speaker 2>for providing information that they didn't understand. So there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always very careful. I try to be careful not

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<v Speaker 2>to upset or offend anybody, but I'm not. I never have.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was forced to go to church and I

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<v Speaker 2>hated it. I think I told the story. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I was in third or fourth grade and the Sunday

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<v Speaker 2>school teachers is telling talking about the an aspect of

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible, and I think I blurted out, well, how

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<v Speaker 2>do you know that's true? You know? I mean. The

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<v Speaker 2>other thing about this the Jordan Cotises is that it has,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, passages from Christ. We don't have a great

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<v Speaker 2>deal of information. And for me personally, I've always thought

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<v Speaker 2>that Christ was made up because the Church fathers heavily

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<v Speaker 2>edited the known Bible, even removing whole sections. We know

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<v Speaker 2>the Book of Enoch was removed. And if you ever

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<v Speaker 2>read the Book of Enoch, and I'd strongly urge you

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<v Speaker 2>to do so. It's very spiritual, it's very esoteric and

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<v Speaker 2>even pagan like in many ways, trusting your instincts, trusting

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<v Speaker 2>your intuition. So for and so get a copy of

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<v Speaker 2>the Book of Enoch because it's fascinating. So today's program

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<v Speaker 2>is Discovering the Lead Cotises and my guest is David Elkington.

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<v Speaker 2>A few years ago, I found a book called Discovering

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<v Speaker 2>the Lead Cotises, the Book of Seven Seals and the

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<v Speaker 2>Secret Teachings of Jesus, and it turned out that it

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<v Speaker 2>was a book written by David Elkinton and his wife Jennifer.

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<v Speaker 2>And we had David on a few years ago talking

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<v Speaker 2>about another book he wrote on acoustics, and at the

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<v Speaker 2>time David says, I can't talk about this, I just

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<v Speaker 2>cannot reveal the data. And I said to him, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to have to have you back then because

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<v Speaker 2>this is too hot not to discuss. And so here

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<v Speaker 2>we are today with David back to discuss this, and

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<v Speaker 2>we have some significant news to discuss and updates on

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<v Speaker 2>everything about these codises that is actually it is very

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<v Speaker 2>revelation based material. So David, welcome back to Earth Ancient's

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<v Speaker 2>great to see you.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi, Clip, It's nice to be here. It's good to

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<v Speaker 3>see you too.

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<v Speaker 2>We want to start from the beginning to get our

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<v Speaker 2>listeners some background. These are not casual artifacts. These are

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<v Speaker 2>very very significant, not only from a religious standpoint, but

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<v Speaker 2>just from a archival point of view to know where

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<v Speaker 2>if these what the material in the Curtises reveals is

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<v Speaker 2>an important part of not only a religious history, but

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<v Speaker 2>also extends things like the ancient scrolls in the Bible itself.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's go back to the beginning. These were found.

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<v Speaker 2>These courtises are metal, and they were found in the

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<v Speaker 2>hills of Jordan. Talk a little bit about the circumstances

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<v Speaker 2>that you understand of their finding.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we first encountered them via a better win friend

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<v Speaker 3>of ours. It's really a better win Arab called Hassan

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<v Speaker 3>in late two thousand and seven, and we originally received

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<v Speaker 3>an email via our journalist frend with some very indistinct

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<v Speaker 3>attachments two thousand and seven. You know, in that period

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<v Speaker 3>when you sent photographs by email, they were very grainy,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, you thought, oh, these are a bit dodgy.

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<v Speaker 3>And when I saw them, that's precisely what I thought,

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<v Speaker 3>because I looked at them and they were fascinating and beautiful,

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<v Speaker 3>but they were brown and they had writing on them,

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<v Speaker 3>and I said, this is these are leather, are they

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<v Speaker 3>And the journalist said, no, no, they're not leather. They're lead.

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<v Speaker 3>And I thought, that's really extraordinary. I'd never seen lead

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<v Speaker 3>in that kind of condition. It just struck me as

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<v Speaker 3>being very strange, and a close perspection of the lettering

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<v Speaker 3>real I realized it was very It was very much

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<v Speaker 3>an ancient Phoenician Canaanite text. So you know, we thought, right, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to we're going to get into this because

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<v Speaker 3>the journalists came back from a trip to Israel to

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<v Speaker 3>see how san and came back with some pretty astonishing

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<v Speaker 3>images that convinced me we had something very big here.

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<v Speaker 3>And then Jennifer and I ourselves traveled out to Israel

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<v Speaker 3>and to Jordan to see the codices and to see

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<v Speaker 3>the site where they came from, or one of the

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<v Speaker 3>sites where they come from, and we realized this was

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<v Speaker 3>really really significant.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you real quickly. So they were found

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<v Speaker 2>between two thousand and five and two thousand and seven

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<v Speaker 2>by a farmer in this cave, and he that suggests

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<v Speaker 2>that they were revealed because of a heavy rain.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that the story given us. Now you have to

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<v Speaker 3>kind of take that slightly with a pitcher of salt,

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<v Speaker 3>because Bedowin will sometimes make up these stories of, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>these things being found. But having been in the valley,

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<v Speaker 3>we largely could see that he was absolutely he was

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<v Speaker 3>spot on. He was right, because you could see that

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<v Speaker 3>the valley was such that if there was a heavy rainstorm,

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<v Speaker 3>it would have washed away all the top soil, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And they were revealed, as he said in his own words,

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<v Speaker 3>plug the rock with an X on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you've seen Raises the Lost Arc,

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<v Speaker 3>but Indiana Jones stated to his class, almost invariably X

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<v Speaker 3>never marks the spot.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>When I met the Indiana Jones Robert Watts some years later,

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<v Speaker 3>I said to him, you were completely wrong. In our case.

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<v Speaker 3>It did because when they unfoiled the plug and looked in,

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<v Speaker 3>they saw, to use the words of Howard Carter, the

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<v Speaker 3>discoverer of Toutencummen's tomb, wonderful things, you know, and papsite

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<v Speaker 3>is immense. I mean, I'm not talking here about a

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<v Speaker 3>very small cave. I'm talking about a complete underground city

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<v Speaker 3>that goes on for a very very long way. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>talking about here, three or four kilometers.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, this is the first I've heard of this. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't describe a intricate system in the book.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm we're rewriting work because the book you've got

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<v Speaker 3>there was actually censored by the publisher on the orders

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<v Speaker 3>of the church here in UK, and savagely cut in

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<v Speaker 3>very large part. Frankly, what's left of the manuscript in

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<v Speaker 3>that published version is dreadful, and it has literally no

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<v Speaker 3>information at all. The whole thing was sabotaged. And I'm

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<v Speaker 3>afraid to say, as you're reading Jennifer's book, that's been

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<v Speaker 3>the story all the way along. But you know, very threatening.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very threatening to the church, number one, especially if

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<v Speaker 2>it's revisionist history. That's never going to be a good sign.

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<v Speaker 2>But getting back to the curtises, are there other examples?

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<v Speaker 2>Because this is seventy small lead plated books. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't recollect any other historical documents being created in

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<v Speaker 3>Note these are the first books. These are the first

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<v Speaker 3>ever books, and this is what marks them out is

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<v Speaker 3>they're made of impure lead. And what you have in

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<v Speaker 3>terms of the state of the lead is when we

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<v Speaker 3>handled some of them, they are literally falling to pieces.

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<v Speaker 3>They are very, very very fragile, some of them. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>if you've ever seen lead in that kind of condition,

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<v Speaker 3>please tell me, because our corrosion specialist, Matthew Hood took

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<v Speaker 3>this to the British Ministry of Defense and spoke to

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<v Speaker 3>a load of experts nobody had ever seen led in

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<v Speaker 3>that condition. And his overall analysis, which we are about

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<v Speaker 3>to launch on the YouTube page the Jordan Codices. He

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<v Speaker 3>states in the presentation of the peer review paper which

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<v Speaker 3>we gave in the Houses of Parliament in London, England

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<v Speaker 3>on the twenty first November last year. He states, in

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<v Speaker 3>tandem with the peer review paper's findings on an atomic level,

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<v Speaker 3>that the corrosion definitely dates them to two thousand years ago,

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<v Speaker 3>and that there is no way on God's Earth that

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<v Speaker 3>these things could have been faked. Now we've been accused

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<v Speaker 3>of faking these things up. They have been accused of

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<v Speaker 3>being fakes. But one question that has never been answered

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<v Speaker 3>by anybody detracting from this discovery is if they're fakes,

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<v Speaker 3>what are they fakes of? So on top of that,

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<v Speaker 3>we have the first ever books that they come in

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<v Speaker 3>the form of the codex, which comes from the Latin cordex,

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<v Speaker 3>which is basically referencing the bark of a tree, because

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<v Speaker 3>the bark would be stripped and things will be written

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<v Speaker 3>on the interior, and then plates of these things will

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<v Speaker 3>be piled on top of each other, and then somebody

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<v Speaker 3>the side and connecting them by wire, and this is

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<v Speaker 3>what you have with the lead codices. They have been

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<v Speaker 3>bound very crudely with lead wire, which we know from

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<v Speaker 3>scientific analysis, has been hardened over an open fire because

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<v Speaker 3>they contain carbon in them, which obviously comes from charcoal.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's the binding wires are much stronger than the

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<v Speaker 3>plates of metal they bind, and necessarily so. Now some

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<v Speaker 3>of the books are sealed, some of them are not sealed,

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<v Speaker 3>and they were found in caves in northern Jordan, in

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<v Speaker 3>a very very deep valley, a remarkably beautiful place called

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<v Speaker 3>the Valley of the Skull. And if you look at

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<v Speaker 3>the image which I will forward to you shortly, you

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<v Speaker 3>will see why it's called the Value of the Skull.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really very, very haunting. It's like something out of

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<v Speaker 3>a medieval illumination stroke the Indiana Jones. And the valley

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<v Speaker 3>goes deeper and deeper and deeper, it becomes a gorge.

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<v Speaker 3>And these things are, you know, in caves, to be

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<v Speaker 3>found all around, and they are simply astonishing. But here's

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<v Speaker 3>the best bit. This valley site is not far from

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<v Speaker 3>the Sea of Galilee, okay. And if you go to

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<v Speaker 3>the Bible, you go to the Gospels quite regularly it

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<v Speaker 3>says that Jesus crossed the Jordan and this is exactly

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<v Speaker 3>where the site is. Up in the north country now.

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<v Speaker 3>Interestingly enough, John Marco Allegro, one of the very first

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<v Speaker 3>translators of the Dead Sea Scrolls, worked on the only

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<v Speaker 3>scroll that itself was made of metal, called the Copper Scroll,

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<v Speaker 3>and in it it describes the treasure of the Temple

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<v Speaker 3>of Jerusalem. Twenty years Allegro and others tried to search

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<v Speaker 3>for this tre and the conclusion was that it had

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<v Speaker 3>actually been stolen by the Romans or hidden away and

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<v Speaker 3>never to be found again. But one telling factor that

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<v Speaker 3>Allegro gives us in his book on the Deadsy Scrolls,

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<v Speaker 3>he says, the copper scroll itself says that the caves

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<v Speaker 3>wherein the treasure lies are north of the city of Pella,

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<v Speaker 3>the precise precise description of where our cave site is.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're looking at something here which is very truly profound.

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<v Speaker 3>We're looking at a fully or what was a fully

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<v Speaker 3>intact site of the very first Christians, the Nassaureans, otherwise

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<v Speaker 3>known as the Scenes, where they created these books, and also,

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<v Speaker 3>but to a lesser and much lesser degree, they created

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<v Speaker 3>also little metal scrolls. Let me make the distinction here.

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<v Speaker 3>The Jewish religion uses the scroll. The top ros Grohl

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<v Speaker 3>is famous the world over. It contains the words of Moses.

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<v Speaker 3>The early Christians used the form of the book the codex.

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<v Speaker 3>Therefore we have the site of the first Christians. And

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<v Speaker 3>there's much more evidence. Besides.

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<v Speaker 2>Please speculate, David on the cave system, because I've seen pictures.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it used as a burial, was its as a synagogue?

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<v Speaker 2>Was it used as a meeting place? Why was it found?

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<v Speaker 2>Why were the courtises found there?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, again, it correlates with what the New Testament and

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<v Speaker 3>the non canonical writings tell us. It also correlates with

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<v Speaker 3>what some of the books of the Old Testament tell us, precisely,

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<v Speaker 3>the Books of Jeremiah and the Books of Daniel. In

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<v Speaker 3>Daniel it states quite explicitly, the Angel says to Daniel, Daniel,

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<v Speaker 3>seal up these books, put them in the cave until

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<v Speaker 3>the end of time. This is extraordinary. So what we

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<v Speaker 3>have here is an extraordinary site. And Hassan told us

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<v Speaker 3>will always remember the conversation that when he and his

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<v Speaker 3>friends from the Jordanian side of things went into the

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<v Speaker 3>cave system, there were bodies, fully intact, mummified bodies wearing

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<v Speaker 3>all of the temple regalia. The Jerusalem Temple regalia still

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<v Speaker 3>on their bodies. So they had been stealed into the

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<v Speaker 3>cave and they had died with their sacred treasures.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry there, see these are priests from the old world,

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<v Speaker 2>yes I am.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not suggesting it from the description Hassan gave us.

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<v Speaker 3>We know that to be the case because the same

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<v Speaker 3>directions are in Josephu's books The Antiquities of the Jews,

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<v Speaker 3>which was written in the first century AD by Josepha,

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<v Speaker 3>who became the adopted son of the Emperor Vespasian when

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<v Speaker 3>he turned against his own people and joined the Remmens.

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<v Speaker 3>So we have very specific explicit details.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting now, the cotises have symbology, and one of them

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<v Speaker 2>has what appears to be a face of a man,

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<v Speaker 2>and I believe it was you or maybe somebody else

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<v Speaker 2>has suggested this is the face of Jesus of Nazarene.

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<v Speaker 2>Are we has that been verified or are we guessing

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<v Speaker 2>that that is who it is.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been verified by a couple of scholars here in

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<v Speaker 3>the UK, leading world scholars. And if you look at

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<v Speaker 3>the iconography of the small metal book upon which the

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<v Speaker 3>portrait appears on the cover, it has four more seals

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<v Speaker 3>top and bottom three on the left hand side and

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<v Speaker 3>seven seals down the right hand side side. We open it,

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<v Speaker 3>you go to the Book of Revelation, chapter five. Jesus

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<v Speaker 3>is to be seen on the divine throne in heaven

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<v Speaker 3>opening a small seven sealed book, and on the interior

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<v Speaker 3>of the book are three of the most dramatic faces

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<v Speaker 3>you could ever possibly wish to see. We were stunned

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<v Speaker 3>when we saw them. It took us a while to

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<v Speaker 3>get verification of what they could possibly be, because we simply

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<v Speaker 3>weren't expecting it. We came back and we talked to

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<v Speaker 3>a number of scholars here who also had no doubts

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<v Speaker 3>about the authenticity and antiquity of the codices. We were

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<v Speaker 3>allowed to bring one back by the Jordanians in twenty eleven.

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<v Speaker 3>We took it to a major biblical conference at Oxford University,

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<v Speaker 3>where it was handled by some of the world's top

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<v Speaker 3>biblical scholars, who assured us there was no way these

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<v Speaker 3>things could have been in fact.

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<v Speaker 2>Well even my other question is that were they able

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<v Speaker 2>to find references of this metal sculpture of what they

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<v Speaker 2>think is Christ? Is there are other examples of it? They?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there are. I mean, you know, if you look

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<v Speaker 3>at the face itself on the book, it's actually encapsulated

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<v Speaker 3>in a halo or a nimbus.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that what there is? Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Now that basically denotes that he is now separate

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<v Speaker 3>from the world. He is now holy in his own person,

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<v Speaker 3>and he is therefore but I mean become separate from

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<v Speaker 3>the mundane. So it means that he's gone into the

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<v Speaker 3>holy place and he has come out, as the Book

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<v Speaker 3>of Hebrews says, as the great Angel. He is the

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<v Speaker 3>Angel of the Lord, he is the Messiah, he is

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<v Speaker 3>the one who is due to come and knew the

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<v Speaker 3>cow Odd at the end of the jubilee period. And

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<v Speaker 3>underneath it, in the handwriting that is on that text,

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<v Speaker 3>we have him to being described as the Bridegooan. So

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<v Speaker 3>there's much more that I could talk about, but obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, this is such a wide subject. We've mostly

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<v Speaker 3>for the past fourteen years kept a very low profile

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<v Speaker 3>whilst the atomic research on the state of the lead

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<v Speaker 3>has continued. And that's why you know, in the face

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<v Speaker 3>of the onslaught that you know that these things are fake.

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<v Speaker 3>We felt we had no option but to go down

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<v Speaker 3>the purely scientific route, and that's why we announced in

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<v Speaker 3>Parliament this peer review paper that states that they are

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<v Speaker 3>not of modern origin. And then when we did the

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<v Speaker 3>presentation in Parliament, our corrosion expert states quite explicitly, as

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<v Speaker 3>you'll see in the film, that they are two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>years old. And I think that's pretty that's pretty staggering

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<v Speaker 3>really when you consider that. We've also got footage again

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<v Speaker 3>on the YouTube channel the jordan Codices of the interior

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<v Speaker 3>of the cave system that was taken by some of

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<v Speaker 3>the Jordanians a couple of years ago, and it shows

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<v Speaker 3>artifacts intact and for the benefit of your audience, if

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<v Speaker 3>you're patient and wait to the end, you will see

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<v Speaker 3>one of the many tomb chambers absolutely loaded with solid

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<v Speaker 3>gold artifacts.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, we're talking about the treasure of the Champel of Jerusalem. Here,

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<v Speaker 3>we're talking about, you know, a massive, massive treasure. There

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<v Speaker 3>are books here in solid gold, there are statues in

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<v Speaker 3>solid gold. There's all kinds of all manner of things,

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<v Speaker 3>and yet we've been accused of faking these things. And

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<v Speaker 3>it's tragic because we need to preserve the site, we

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<v Speaker 3>need to get archaeologists in there, and we need to

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<v Speaker 3>start under standing what it's about. We need to understand

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<v Speaker 3>the lives of these people, the context of these things,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's an opportunity to bring communities together, both from

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<v Speaker 3>within Jordan and from without, to work together towards a

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<v Speaker 3>proper understanding of the origins of the three Great Bates,

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<v Speaker 3>which of course today our Judaism, Islam and Christianity.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So are you saying that the site has not

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<v Speaker 2>been properly excavated by archaeologists.

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<v Speaker 3>Not at all.

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<v Speaker 2>You're kidding me.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, no. They've attempted to suppress everything about

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<v Speaker 3>these things. And as I said, Jennifer tells this story

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<v Speaker 3>in her books, so you can ask her about the whole.

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<v Speaker 2>Jennifer and Jennifer Elkington is David's wife. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors to

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<v Speaker 2>identify themselves, and we will return shortly with my guest today,

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<v Speaker 2>David at Elkington discussing his book Discovering the Lead Cotises.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be right back. Discovering new artifacts is very exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a new museum in Cairo, of all places

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<v Speaker 2>that has it just opened. It's the Grand Egyptian Museum.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been waiting almost eight years for it to open

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<v Speaker 2>and let me tell you, the statuary by itself is

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<v Speaker 2>worth the price of admission. We're talking over one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>thousand artifacts on display from all parts of Egypt, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is a fabulous museum. Hey, this is Cliff, your

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<v Speaker 2>host of Earth Ancients, and we have a few spaces

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<v Speaker 2>left for this amazing tour. We are gonna see the megalists.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna go to places that are off the beaten

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<v Speaker 2>paths to see huge statuary, temples and even the pyramids.

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<v Speaker 2>For all the details, go to earth Ancients dot com

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<v Speaker 2>forward slash tours and you will see not only the itinerary,

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<v Speaker 2>but some of the fabulous hotels and other sites that

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<v Speaker 2>we will visit. This is not to be missed. April

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight through May tenth, Come out and join me.

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<v Speaker 2>For more information, go to earth Ancients dot com forward

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<v Speaker 2>slash tours. My guess today is David Elkinton. He wrote

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<v Speaker 2>a book called The Lead Coatises twenty eleven. Today we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about a update. It's a documentary that you can

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<v Speaker 2>see on the Earth Ancient's Facebook page. I'll also make

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<v Speaker 2>it available on Instagram. But your best bet is to

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<v Speaker 2>go to Earth Agents, either the group page or the

435
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<v Speaker 2>public page and you will see it there under his banner.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the things that I understood was, now we've

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<v Speaker 3>last week, we've gone all separate ways, but.

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<v Speaker 2>She is keeping her original birth made.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Absolutely, yeah. Yeah. So if you need to look

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<v Speaker 3>her up, it's s O. L. I. G. N AC. Okay,

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00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:59.480
<v Speaker 3>you can see her work. It's quite fantastic to check

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<v Speaker 3>the figure out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I want to talk a little bit about the

444
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<v Speaker 2>analysis that I found was pretty shocking, which is the

445
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<v Speaker 2>writing isn't what they call Paleo Hebrew, and Paleo Hebrew

446
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<v Speaker 2>goes back to five hundred BC.

447
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<v Speaker 3>I know, it goes back to fifteen hundred BC.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's extremely old.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It names Jesus, Christ, Peter, John, Paul, the Disciples. But

451
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<v Speaker 2>one of the things I wanted you to talk about

452
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<v Speaker 2>is the manuscript suggests that Jesus was not finding or

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<v Speaker 2>founding a new religion, but restoring ancient traditions from the

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<v Speaker 2>time of King David, almost a thousand years before him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I mean, if you look at the coteses and

456
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<v Speaker 3>this is saying very nicely with my last comment, the

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<v Speaker 3>codices themselves reference the Temple of Jerusalem, and if you

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<v Speaker 3>look carefully at the symbolism the menorah, which is the

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00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:15.559
<v Speaker 3>sacred candlestick. You look at the altar stones that you

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<v Speaker 3>can see on it, and various bits of plant life.

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<v Speaker 3>You can see that they're not talking about the Temple

462
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<v Speaker 3>of Jesus time, but about the Temple of Solomon himself,

463
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<v Speaker 3>the first temple. That's one thousand BC. That's five hundred

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<v Speaker 3>years after the invention of Palo Hebrew. Okay, so what

465
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<v Speaker 3>we're looking here is an original theology that it actually

466
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<v Speaker 3>harks back to something very profound, and that therefore what

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<v Speaker 3>we're looking at is Christianity as the restoration of that

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<v Speaker 3>older faith, because Judaism as we know it today was

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<v Speaker 3>formulated from out of the older theology in around about

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<v Speaker 3>the first three or four centuries before Jesus. Before that,

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<v Speaker 3>we had the Hebrew faith. Now, what's the difference between

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<v Speaker 3>a Hebrew and a Jew. Well, a Jew can be

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<v Speaker 3>a Hebrew, but not all Hebrews are Jews, the reason

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<v Speaker 3>being that the Hebrews represent all twelve tribes of Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>The Jews are the tribe of Judah. The word Jew

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<v Speaker 3>is a piece of Babylonian slang from the exile dating

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<v Speaker 3>back to five eighty BC. And when the Jeens got

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<v Speaker 3>back as a tribe to Palestine to Judea in the

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<v Speaker 3>aftermath of that exile, they decided to reform the old

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<v Speaker 3>faith into what today we recognize as Judaism. So Jesus

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<v Speaker 3>comes along a couple of centuries later. He's a member

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<v Speaker 3>of we think of the Essene Nazarians, and the Nasarian

483
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<v Speaker 3>word means guardian or protector. And the question you have

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<v Speaker 3>to ask is of what obviously of the teachings which

485
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<v Speaker 3>go way way back. So in essence we've got the

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<v Speaker 3>key here to look at the source of all the

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<v Speaker 3>Abrahamic faiths, which all emerged from that particular period.

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<v Speaker 2>MHM is the do the Curtises bring up questions about,

489
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<v Speaker 2>say the Dead Sea Scrolls or the Bible any way

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<v Speaker 2>or does it support it?

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<v Speaker 3>They bring up new ways of looking at old things.

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<v Speaker 3>And in fact, one of the Deadsya scrolls does mention

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<v Speaker 3>the making of a small metal book with the face

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<v Speaker 3>of its Holy One on the front. Now, I've written

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<v Speaker 3>about this extensively in my book on the.

496
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<v Speaker 2>Yet the authority is the The naysayers are saying it's

497
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<v Speaker 2>a forgery or it's a fake. Oh, Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, here's the point I would like to lay down

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<v Speaker 3>the challenge actually having performed I mean numerous tests, innumerable

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<v Speaker 3>tests in fact, at laboratories across the planet. We've been

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<v Speaker 3>working now for fourteen years with Professor Rogers Ware at

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<v Speaker 3>the University of Surrey. We've been working with Professor Finn

503
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<v Speaker 3>Stuart at the University of Glasgow and Professor Silk Merkel

504
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<v Speaker 3>at the Nobel Prize winning University team at the University

505
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<v Speaker 3>of Vienna, and they've done numerous analyzes of alpha particles

506
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<v Speaker 3>and patterns within the lead. They've done an awful lot

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<v Speaker 3>of hard work on this, and we're now working on

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<v Speaker 3>further peer review papers because we may well have worked

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<v Speaker 3>out how to finally age date metal, which will be

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<v Speaker 3>a big breakthrough. I hope that's going to come this year.

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<v Speaker 3>But here's the challenge. Our naysayers, those who believe these

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<v Speaker 3>things to be fakes, haven't actually answered the questions what

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<v Speaker 3>are they fakes of? Secondly, I'd like to say to them,

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<v Speaker 3>where is your peer review paper, What metal have you

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<v Speaker 3>tested and where have you tested it? Where did you

516
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<v Speaker 3>get that metal from, where did you get codices from

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<v Speaker 3>to test that metal? And why haven't you yet responded

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<v Speaker 3>to our peer review paper that shows unequivocally that these

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00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:36.320
<v Speaker 3>are not modern. These are in fact, very very ancient.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good call to action. Why do you

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<v Speaker 2>think the academics and perhaps the church is so threatened

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<v Speaker 2>by your revelation.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, oddly enough, we've had a blessing from the late

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<v Speaker 3>Pope Frances bless him, and he was very keen to

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<v Speaker 3>see these objects out in the O And we've had

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<v Speaker 3>no problems in that sense with the church. It's the

527
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:10.440
<v Speaker 3>Protestant Church we've had a lot of problems with. It's

528
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<v Speaker 3>sad because if they've come to us and asked us

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<v Speaker 3>as a team what the context of these things were,

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<v Speaker 3>I would have turned around and said, actually, this is

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<v Speaker 3>profoundly exciting for Christianity because this could and should lead

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<v Speaker 3>to a renewal. There's nothing in this that is a

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<v Speaker 3>danger to Christianity. The only danger is to those who

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<v Speaker 3>want to suppress it, who want to just have their

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<v Speaker 3>view of what it is without expanding that view. Now

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<v Speaker 3>that we've got documents that predate the Council of Nicia,

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<v Speaker 3>that the Council that brought about the dogmas of the

538
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<v Speaker 3>present day Christianity, predates them by three hundred years. So

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<v Speaker 3>we've got the original documentation. We've got here a way

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00:38:56.639 --> 00:39:02.440
<v Speaker 3>to unify these faiths by asking, you know, good, simple

541
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:05.840
<v Speaker 3>but solid questions. And we've got a way here of

542
00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:10.679
<v Speaker 3>actually in a way melting away fundamentalism in the sunlight,

543
00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:14.480
<v Speaker 3>because they've got the base elements here, we've got the

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<v Speaker 3>foundation documents.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there a lot of description of Christ in the courtises,

546
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<v Speaker 2>doing things, speaking or so forth.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got to first of all, see that the Codeses

548
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<v Speaker 3>pre date the Gospels by probably seventy or eighty years.

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<v Speaker 3>At that time, you know, the way which the Messiah

550
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<v Speaker 3>was heralded or announced was, you would have bibicult statements

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<v Speaker 3>that would therefore almost serve as a curriculum vitae. Here's

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<v Speaker 3>why I'm qualified to do the job, you know. And

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<v Speaker 3>the whole idea of a narrative didn't really come along

554
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<v Speaker 3>until the Latin Gospel writers, you know, working on the

555
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<v Speaker 3>Roman level. Hence the word romance. So the Gospels are romances.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you go back to the early Church father

557
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<v Speaker 3>Papias who lived around about eighty eighty to one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and forty, I think he says that when the Gospels

559
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<v Speaker 3>were written very much. The episodes were quite jumbled, and

560
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<v Speaker 3>they wrote them as it just seemed to appear to them.

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<v Speaker 3>So what you've got really is a series of statements

562
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<v Speaker 3>that have been stitched together by a narrative. How accurate

563
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<v Speaker 3>that narrative is, we don't know. Okay, we do have

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<v Speaker 3>a gospel, I believe, amongst the codices. It's a very

565
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<v Speaker 3>different looking document. It's obviously one of the main codices,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's a huge amount of text in it, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm working with a translator at the moment to obviously

568
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<v Speaker 3>bring that out into the open and to transcribe and translate,

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<v Speaker 3>and hopefully we'll have news on that, you know, this

570
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<v Speaker 3>coming year. But what they're revealing in themselves, in terms

571
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<v Speaker 3>of what's written in them and in terms of what

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00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:19.360
<v Speaker 3>they're saying through their symbolism, is truly very remarkable. And

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<v Speaker 3>one thing I will say, by the way, we've also

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<v Speaker 3>got a lead plate that shows the temper of Jerusalem

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<v Speaker 3>and it shows the Crucifixion taking place, which is part

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<v Speaker 3>of the seventy it's part of the overall from Jordan.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so as part of what they picked up in

578
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<v Speaker 2>the cave.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, well, there are caves plural by the way

580
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<v Speaker 3>that there are a cave multiple case, right. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>this is a strange thing. I'm not anti academic, and

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<v Speaker 3>I can't blame them to a certain degree for taking

583
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<v Speaker 3>the stance they have because nobody was expecting these things

584
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<v Speaker 3>it came. You know, they were completely blinded by it.

585
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<v Speaker 3>You know, I don't come from a tenured academic background

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<v Speaker 3>in the sense that I have a place at a

587
00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:10.519
<v Speaker 3>university where I talk and lecture. I'm a completely independent researcher,

588
00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:15.880
<v Speaker 3>so they were blindsided by me. Although I have to

589
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<v Speaker 3>say that before we made the announcement on the BBC

590
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<v Speaker 3>in twenty eleven, we had a substantial team of people,

591
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<v Speaker 3>including the late Professor Phillip Davies of Dead Sea Scrolls fame,

592
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:29.000
<v Speaker 3>and we spoke to a number of others as well

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<v Speaker 3>who have backed us all the way. So I can't

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<v Speaker 3>blame them. It's now time to put aside our differences

595
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<v Speaker 3>and get working on excavating the sites and translating these

596
00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:44.559
<v Speaker 3>things so that people can begin to join in the

597
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:49.840
<v Speaker 3>debate into Christian origins and get excited by what they've

598
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:52.960
<v Speaker 3>got to reveal. Because I can tell you now they

599
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:54.719
<v Speaker 3>are profound they're really profound.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have somebody that was from this Dead Sea

601
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<v Speaker 2>scroll research, Richard, wouldn't that help validate the authenticity of

602
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<v Speaker 2>the plates.

603
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:10.920
<v Speaker 3>We had all of that, and then the ferocity of

604
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<v Speaker 3>the backlash against us was such that they withdrew back

605
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<v Speaker 3>into the academic shadows because it was very harsh. I mean,

606
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<v Speaker 3>it was very very harsh.

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<v Speaker 2>It may you make it sound like they're accusing you

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<v Speaker 2>of rewriting in biblical history or something.

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<v Speaker 3>Well it wasn't that. I mean, they just accused the

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<v Speaker 3>They accused me of knowing that these things were fake,

611
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<v Speaker 3>when actually I think it was largely fear. Perhaps, I

612
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<v Speaker 3>don't know that. The fact of the matter is we've

613
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:48.280
<v Speaker 3>done our duty, We've shown them to be authentic. It's

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<v Speaker 3>time to take the thing seriously, because I'd like to

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<v Speaker 3>hand it over to academ so that we could actually,

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<v Speaker 3>as I say, start looking at these things. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what gets me, Cliff, It's two thousand years

618
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<v Speaker 3>since the death of Jesus on the cross, and he

619
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<v Speaker 3>said he would come back, there'd be a second coming,

620
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<v Speaker 3>and he's right there on the front cover of that

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<v Speaker 3>book and on its interior. He kept his word. He's

622
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:17.679
<v Speaker 3>backed Christ is back. We need now to grasp that

623
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<v Speaker 3>and to run with it because our world needs that.

624
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<v Speaker 3>We've got a world in massive moral and spiritual breakdown

625
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:29.000
<v Speaker 3>and now got the means to revivify it, renew the church,

626
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<v Speaker 3>and march forward hand in hand with our other fellow

627
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<v Speaker 3>religions in a way in which we can extol Christ's

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<v Speaker 3>own words, and that is love thy neighbor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I totally hear you there. In one of

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<v Speaker 2>the images that you post, and I think I've seen

631
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<v Speaker 2>in a couple of other websites, the earlier plates or

632
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<v Speaker 2>covers have what appears to be hieroglyphs on them, little

633
00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:06.320
<v Speaker 2>notches and nicks and things like that. Has somebody deciphered that?

634
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<v Speaker 2>Is that a code or is that more of a

635
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<v Speaker 2>design element?

636
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<v Speaker 3>I think it's probably a design element. There are coder

637
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<v Speaker 3>within them, definitely, which again we're investigating. But it's the

638
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<v Speaker 3>use of Paleo Hebrew that struck me, because, of course,

639
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<v Speaker 3>in Jesus' time we had the use of Aramaic, we

640
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<v Speaker 3>had the beginnings of square form Hebrew, which was at

641
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:34.440
<v Speaker 3>least one hundred two hundred years old by the time

642
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:38.400
<v Speaker 3>of Jesus, and therefore the making books, and I thought, well,

643
00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:44.000
<v Speaker 3>why paleo Hebrew? Looking it up in you know, dictionaries

644
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:47.239
<v Speaker 3>and studying it and seeing that it dates back to

645
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<v Speaker 3>fifteen sixteen hundred BC, and that it emerged from out

646
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<v Speaker 3>of what we call proto Syinitic was fascinating. And I

647
00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:00.840
<v Speaker 3>realized that, you know, in the UK, if you get

648
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<v Speaker 3>sent to the House of Lords as a peer, you

649
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:08.840
<v Speaker 3>are given letters patent, and they're all written in Latin.

650
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:12.400
<v Speaker 3>Now there can't be many peers who could actually read

651
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:16.000
<v Speaker 3>that Latin, but the use of that kind of gives

652
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:19.199
<v Speaker 3>them a kind of a historical credibility. And I wondered

653
00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:21.199
<v Speaker 3>if it was the same with the books. The use

654
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<v Speaker 3>of Paleo Hebrew somehow was to lend them the aura

655
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:28.480
<v Speaker 3>of an even greater sanctity. And then I realize, of

656
00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:31.000
<v Speaker 3>course that we have the episode of Moses on the mountain,

657
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<v Speaker 3>and of course I realized if there's something, well you

658
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:40.480
<v Speaker 3>could say divine about them, because they contain divine imagery,

659
00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:43.679
<v Speaker 3>and the ones that contain that imagery are all sealed.

660
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:47.719
<v Speaker 3>So this is imagery that in its day was not

661
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:51.639
<v Speaker 3>supposed to be seen. If you looked at the seven

662
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:55.679
<v Speaker 3>branch Gnora and you saw it, it was punishable by death.

663
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<v Speaker 3>Because what we're talking about here is God's own furniture

664
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<v Speaker 3>in his own house, which of course was the Temple

665
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<v Speaker 3>of Jerusalem, and the cube at its center called the

666
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:09.239
<v Speaker 3>Holy of Holies, and only the high priest could go

667
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:12.000
<v Speaker 3>in there once a year on the day of Attonement,

668
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:15.639
<v Speaker 3>and then he would go in amidst clouds of frankincense

669
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<v Speaker 3>and in a state of high purification, but also great fear,

670
00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:24.440
<v Speaker 3>because if you read about the God of the Old Testament,

671
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:27.920
<v Speaker 3>he's a bit fearful, actually, you know, very very a

672
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:32.119
<v Speaker 3>thundering presence, you might say, you know, go back to

673
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:35.639
<v Speaker 3>the days of Solomon. It seems less. So there seems

674
00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:39.360
<v Speaker 3>to be a much less hard side to God, because

675
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:46.079
<v Speaker 3>obviously Solomon is looking at the divine scheme from a

676
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:50.639
<v Speaker 3>less monotheistic way, you might say.

677
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<v Speaker 2>One of the things I've been reading about is the

678
00:47:57.079 --> 00:47:59.800
<v Speaker 2>discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls. When they were found,

679
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:03.840
<v Speaker 2>they were summarily rejected as well. But one of the

680
00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:07.000
<v Speaker 2>serious problems, and this is what you're addressing in our

681
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:10.719
<v Speaker 2>interview today, is the fact that after they were found,

682
00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:15.440
<v Speaker 2>it took fifty years for solid research to really begin

683
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:21.679
<v Speaker 2>to take into affect the meaning and the acceptance of

684
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:28.000
<v Speaker 2>these scrolls. How can we cut the time factor on this.

685
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:30.840
<v Speaker 2>What do we need to do so that we can

686
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:33.199
<v Speaker 2>get in our solid research going on this.

687
00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:36.800
<v Speaker 3>Get it right out there, get the films out on

688
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:40.480
<v Speaker 3>social media that we're releasing now and into the near future.

689
00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:44.199
<v Speaker 3>Get it right out Let's create discussion and debate. Let's

690
00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:46.960
<v Speaker 3>get people working on this. Let's make it an open

691
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:50.800
<v Speaker 3>debate because it's an exciting one. That's the best way

692
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:53.679
<v Speaker 3>to go around this. We need academic help, We need

693
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:58.159
<v Speaker 3>the help from non specialists because non specialists might come

694
00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:01.400
<v Speaker 3>up with observations that don't seem so obvious to the

695
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:03.599
<v Speaker 3>likes of people like myself and others. You know, I

696
00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:06.880
<v Speaker 3>agree anybody can take part in this, and everybody should

697
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:11.440
<v Speaker 3>because it's their cultural heritage as well. So, you know,

698
00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:14.480
<v Speaker 3>we need to get this right out there, and then

699
00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:17.800
<v Speaker 3>we need to put pressure on the Jordaaning government to

700
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:21.480
<v Speaker 3>take this seriously. We need to put pressure on aspects

701
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:26.159
<v Speaker 3>of the church to say, look, you know your own collapse.

702
00:49:26.239 --> 00:49:30.920
<v Speaker 3>The church is collapsing worldwide. We've got something now with

703
00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:34.480
<v Speaker 3>which to grow the church and give people something that's

704
00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:40.039
<v Speaker 3>really exciting, A new moral perspective that we urgently need

705
00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:43.360
<v Speaker 3>right now so that we can actually start to rebuild

706
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:47.760
<v Speaker 3>and walk forward into the future. And we cannot continue

707
00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:51.599
<v Speaker 3>to treat our history as if it's today's political football.

708
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:55.519
<v Speaker 3>We need more debate on these things. We do not

709
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:56.400
<v Speaker 3>need suppression.

710
00:49:57.480 --> 00:50:00.599
<v Speaker 2>Have the Curtis has been completely deciphered this point and

711
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:04.599
<v Speaker 2>is there a website who can go and we can

712
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:06.400
<v Speaker 2>read the actual information.

713
00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:10.400
<v Speaker 3>I've put a few bits up and I will be

714
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<v Speaker 3>putting more up in the near future. We are working

715
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:17.639
<v Speaker 3>on deciphering them. They're an awful lot of codesies. I mean,

716
00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:21.320
<v Speaker 3>I'm talking here of hundreds of the things, and you know,

717
00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:25.320
<v Speaker 3>this is much bigger than the Dead Sea scrolls. We're

718
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:29.559
<v Speaker 3>looking here at text after text after text, and you know,

719
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:33.159
<v Speaker 3>for the past fourteen years, it's literally been Jennifer and

720
00:50:33.199 --> 00:50:37.199
<v Speaker 3>myself and that's it. There's been a few others that

721
00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:40.679
<v Speaker 3>they've fallen by the wayside, and we now need to,

722
00:50:41.719 --> 00:50:45.280
<v Speaker 3>you know, get another team together, get working on this,

723
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:47.519
<v Speaker 3>and get it, get it out there, share it with

724
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<v Speaker 3>the world.

725
00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:51.920
<v Speaker 2>I've We've got surprising that you don't have more support.

726
00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:56.400
<v Speaker 3>You know, well, yeah, so do I I do agree

727
00:50:56.440 --> 00:50:59.719
<v Speaker 3>with you there, but you know we're doing our best

728
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:04.679
<v Speaker 3>and trying to, you know, keep going. But all I

729
00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:06.239
<v Speaker 3>can say is that I'm glad I can hold my

730
00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:09.199
<v Speaker 3>head up eye that the accusation these things are not

731
00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:13.719
<v Speaker 3>modern means that. Well. Actually, to be honest with you,

732
00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:19.360
<v Speaker 3>I'd really like to thank our opponents for actually claiming

733
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:23.239
<v Speaker 3>that I'm a genius. One thing I'd like to state,

734
00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:27.000
<v Speaker 3>quite honestly, is that I'm not. But they think I

735
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:30.000
<v Speaker 3>had the genius of knowing how to fake up two

736
00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:32.679
<v Speaker 3>thousand year old lead when it couldn't be done by

737
00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:39.239
<v Speaker 3>Bold's greatest atomic laboratories. If that sounds sarcastic, I don't

738
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:43.119
<v Speaker 3>mean it too, because actually the journey itself has given

739
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:46.719
<v Speaker 3>me pause and made me think too. And I'm really

740
00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:49.960
<v Speaker 3>grateful to these people for this because it actually made

741
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:52.440
<v Speaker 3>me a better person. And isn't that what the Bible

742
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:52.960
<v Speaker 3>was about?

743
00:51:54.079 --> 00:52:02.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Exactly exactly. We're going to take a short commercial

744
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:06.159
<v Speaker 2>break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and we

745
00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:10.599
<v Speaker 2>will return shortly with my guest today, David Elkinton, discussing

746
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:17.760
<v Speaker 2>his book Discovering the Lead Courtesies. We'll be right back.

747
00:53:03.320 --> 00:53:06.039
<v Speaker 2>My returning guest today is David Elkington coming to us

748
00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:09.519
<v Speaker 2>from London, and he is the producer of a new

749
00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:13.960
<v Speaker 2>documentary on the Jordanian led cotises that you can see

750
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:17.400
<v Speaker 2>on Earth Ancients, Go to Earth Ancients. You'll see the

751
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:21.239
<v Speaker 2>banner and you can download or see it in the

752
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:24.880
<v Speaker 2>covert of your home and get the details on just

753
00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:28.679
<v Speaker 2>what's been going on and the scientific testing that dates

754
00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:37.039
<v Speaker 2>the codises to over two thousand years. I want you

755
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:41.559
<v Speaker 2>to talk about some recent testing that was done at

756
00:53:41.599 --> 00:53:48.000
<v Speaker 2>the University of Surrey Surrey excuse me, Ion Beams Center,

757
00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:53.239
<v Speaker 2>and how that got started and what the results were

758
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:55.199
<v Speaker 2>we got.

759
00:53:55.000 --> 00:54:01.039
<v Speaker 3>Back from Jordan in twenty eleven, we launched the the

760
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:04.440
<v Speaker 3>Discovery onto the wide world. Then we got condemned for

761
00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:10.519
<v Speaker 3>it by various parties, and so we knew we'd already

762
00:54:11.159 --> 00:54:17.159
<v Speaker 3>undertaken a number of research inquiries into the stage of

763
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:19.079
<v Speaker 3>the metal, but we needed to go a lot deeper

764
00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:23.760
<v Speaker 3>into it because it had been confirmed that the lead

765
00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:28.960
<v Speaker 3>was of Roman prominence. But the detractors made the very

766
00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:33.079
<v Speaker 3>fair point that it could also have been rebeaten lead,

767
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:37.000
<v Speaker 3>So we thought, right, okay, So I got in touch

768
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<v Speaker 3>with the University of Sorry because I knew they had

769
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:44.880
<v Speaker 3>a major Metallurgical department there. When I introduced ourselves to

770
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:49.480
<v Speaker 3>Professor web and we got going, I must admit I

771
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:53.320
<v Speaker 3>had high hopes we'd probably you know, finished the analysis

772
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:58.039
<v Speaker 3>within one or two years, but the criticism of us

773
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:01.920
<v Speaker 3>meant that we couldn't raise fun to get things done quickly.

774
00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:08.079
<v Speaker 2>The experiments expensive is the technology it is expensive, and

775
00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:10.599
<v Speaker 2>we therefore had to wait in the queue.

776
00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:13.320
<v Speaker 3>We had to wait our time. When there was time

777
00:55:13.360 --> 00:55:17.119
<v Speaker 3>for the analysis to be under undertaken, Professor Webb was

778
00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:21.400
<v Speaker 3>able to secure certain European grants on occasion to do

779
00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:28.760
<v Speaker 3>that analysis. And basically the initial analysis involved the detection

780
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<v Speaker 3>of alpha wave particles coming out of the lead. If

781
00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:35.519
<v Speaker 3>there were alf away particles coming out, then it would

782
00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:39.719
<v Speaker 3>have meant that the metal was modern. And in twenty

783
00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:43.519
<v Speaker 3>twelve the initial tests said they were modern. There were

784
00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:47.159
<v Speaker 3>alpha wave particles coming out of the cover of the

785
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:50.719
<v Speaker 3>codex that we had brought back with us from Jordan.

786
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<v Speaker 3>We were baffled by this because our corrosion analysis analyst,

787
00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:59.280
<v Speaker 3>sorry Matthew, said there's no way it could be modern

788
00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:03.440
<v Speaker 3>because the partit alone could not be faked and it

789
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:07.559
<v Speaker 3>had the corrosion elements on it. And then we realized

790
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:09.599
<v Speaker 3>about a year or so later, thanks to Matthew and

791
00:56:09.639 --> 00:56:13.519
<v Speaker 3>to Professor Web, that actually what had happened was that

792
00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:16.400
<v Speaker 3>water had washed through the cave site and over the

793
00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:21.440
<v Speaker 3>codex a trade a bit of limescale. Now there's natural

794
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:24.800
<v Speaker 3>raid on gas or polonium in the sky that comes

795
00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:30.199
<v Speaker 3>down with the rain and that contains alpha particles washing

796
00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:32.599
<v Speaker 3>over the cover of the book, and that's why it

797
00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:38.760
<v Speaker 3>seemed active. And finally in twenty sixteen we actually took

798
00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:41.679
<v Speaker 3>the step of opening the seals on the book and

799
00:56:41.719 --> 00:56:45.320
<v Speaker 3>opening a book itself and doing further tests on the interior,

800
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:50.239
<v Speaker 3>and we found there were no alpha webs whatsoever. The

801
00:56:50.280 --> 00:56:52.800
<v Speaker 3>book was the real genuine McCoy.

802
00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:58.880
<v Speaker 2>So you can't use carbon dating to date metal. What

803
00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:02.679
<v Speaker 2>were the systems that were in play to give us

804
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<v Speaker 2>a sense of the age.

805
00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:08.039
<v Speaker 3>Well, first of all, the decay of the alpha particles

806
00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:12.800
<v Speaker 3>can be measured. One thing that press Webb told me

807
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:18.039
<v Speaker 3>some time ago is that when you melt lead, you're

808
00:57:18.119 --> 00:57:21.440
<v Speaker 3>kind of really setting its clock. So from the moment

809
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:24.679
<v Speaker 3>you melt it, the helium in it begins to decay.

810
00:57:26.400 --> 00:57:29.000
<v Speaker 3>So the older it is, the more helium there will be.

811
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<v Speaker 3>So the theesis is now and we've been successful successfully

812
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:42.400
<v Speaker 3>and unsuccessfully trying to get enough sensitive machinery to measure

813
00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:46.719
<v Speaker 3>the helium output. Once we can actually measure accurately the

814
00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:50.000
<v Speaker 3>helium output at the point of melting, then we will

815
00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:53.079
<v Speaker 3>have a means of dating the metal itself, and that's

816
00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:54.480
<v Speaker 3>what we're working on at the present time.

817
00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but I think I remember reading in that paper

818
00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:05.760
<v Speaker 2>that there were two other testing devices or programs that

819
00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:10.320
<v Speaker 2>you submitted the leads to, and I don't remember what

820
00:58:10.480 --> 00:58:11.800
<v Speaker 2>the outcome was.

821
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<v Speaker 3>Well, we were looking at thorium. We were looking thorium. Yeah,

822
00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:19.760
<v Speaker 3>the mullum testing as well as the helium testing, and

823
00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:22.440
<v Speaker 3>obviously the alpha particle side of things as well. It

824
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:28.480
<v Speaker 3>is very complex interior science of the metal itself, but

825
00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:32.719
<v Speaker 3>it was more or less trying to ascertain the antiquity

826
00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:35.559
<v Speaker 3>of the book through the elements that were within it,

827
00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:40.159
<v Speaker 3>and that's what we're still working on. So, for instance,

828
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<v Speaker 3>on one of the samples of lead, the analysis which

829
00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:48.559
<v Speaker 3>was from just over a year ago, suggested again a

830
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:52.440
<v Speaker 3>two thousand year old date for the book, but unfortunately

831
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<v Speaker 3>the background radiation of the original lead or was also

832
00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:01.880
<v Speaker 3>mingling with the results to give us twenty thousand to

833
00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:07.039
<v Speaker 3>two hundred thousand year old date. So we're trying to

834
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<v Speaker 3>now narrow that down and I'm hoping that the next

835
00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:13.079
<v Speaker 3>periody paper will succeed with that because we think there's

836
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<v Speaker 3>a way around it. But as per usual, we need

837
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<v Speaker 3>to raise the funds to get the job done.

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00:59:18.559 --> 00:59:23.599
<v Speaker 2>Right. Does it the beetina denote great age?

839
00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:29.639
<v Speaker 3>Yes? It does. Yeah. Yeah. Part of the controversy over

840
00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:35.360
<v Speaker 3>the Jesus osuury that was found in Israel about twenty

841
00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:41.239
<v Speaker 3>years ago, and it says inscribed in I think in

842
00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:45.119
<v Speaker 3>Hebrew on the front of it it says Jesus son

843
00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:48.679
<v Speaker 3>of Joseph or was that effect? And you know it

844
00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:52.320
<v Speaker 3>was recently declared to be fake because their patination had

845
00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:57.559
<v Speaker 3>been obviously applied on microscopic analysis it was shown to

846
00:59:57.559 --> 01:00:00.440
<v Speaker 3>be the case. We haven't seen any of them on

847
01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:03.719
<v Speaker 3>the lead books. And in fact, what I'll do, I'll

848
01:00:03.719 --> 01:00:08.079
<v Speaker 3>also send you a fake lead book made by Hassan

849
01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:11.639
<v Speaker 3>and his friends. It's beautiful. They've done a really good job.

850
01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:16.760
<v Speaker 3>But the problem is is that the pagination they weren't

851
01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:19.039
<v Speaker 3>able to make it uniform across the whole surface of

852
01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:21.719
<v Speaker 3>the lead. It's only to be seen around the lettering.

853
01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:24.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, where are they making a fake?

854
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:28.920
<v Speaker 3>Because they wanted to see if these things could have

855
01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:30.360
<v Speaker 3>been made, if they could have been faked.

856
01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:33.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh, they were trying to see if they could Okay, yeah,

857
01:00:33.440 --> 01:00:35.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean an age is what you're saying.

858
01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:39.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. In two thousand and nine I said to him,

859
01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:41.320
<v Speaker 3>do you think you could fake these things up?

860
01:00:41.679 --> 01:00:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

861
01:00:42.119 --> 01:00:46.360
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I think he kind of you know, but also

862
01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:51.119
<v Speaker 3>don't forget as well that Bedouin you know, Israeli Arabs.

863
01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:56.119
<v Speaker 3>They also like other you know, Arabs in Jordan and elsewhere.

864
01:00:56.440 --> 01:00:59.280
<v Speaker 3>If you find something, they like to kind of up

865
01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:01.599
<v Speaker 3>the ante, but adding bits of their own so they

866
01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:04.559
<v Speaker 3>can make more, you know. And I can't blame them again.

867
01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:06.320
<v Speaker 3>I'd do the same if I were there. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>The book's called Discovering the Lead Curtises, the Book of

869
01:01:12.519 --> 01:01:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Seven Seals and the Secrets.

870
01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:16.760
<v Speaker 3>Can I can? I just intersperse?

871
01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:17.360
<v Speaker 2>Sure?

872
01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:20.679
<v Speaker 3>And please don't buy that book. It's awful. It's it's

873
01:01:20.679 --> 01:01:23.280
<v Speaker 3>a censored version of our original manuscript.

874
01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:25.199
<v Speaker 2>It's hard to get a hold of. I mean this

875
01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:27.239
<v Speaker 2>book I have, I've had it for over a year.

876
01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:30.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's from a library, so there must not

877
01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:32.960
<v Speaker 2>be many out there. I had to get a use

878
01:01:33.199 --> 01:01:34.599
<v Speaker 2>I had to go to use bookstore.

879
01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:38.199
<v Speaker 3>Fortunately there are less than a thousand because we the

880
01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:41.840
<v Speaker 3>company went bankrupt after they published it, and we managed

881
01:01:41.880 --> 01:01:45.199
<v Speaker 3>to seize hold of a lot of them. But well,

882
01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:49.119
<v Speaker 3>you know, if anybody wants to read a really good book,

883
01:01:49.119 --> 01:01:51.480
<v Speaker 3>it's the book that came up with that. It's the

884
01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:54.400
<v Speaker 3>academic text. If you can get a hold of a copy,

885
01:01:54.440 --> 01:01:57.880
<v Speaker 3>it's called the Case for the Jordan Codices.

886
01:01:58.199 --> 01:02:02.719
<v Speaker 2>Or is it actual? Is it a university paper or.

887
01:02:03.400 --> 01:02:06.039
<v Speaker 3>It's a series of academic papers in the form of

888
01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:11.159
<v Speaker 3>a book published by twenty fourteen by Professor Phillip Davies, myself,

889
01:02:11.199 --> 01:02:17.079
<v Speaker 3>doctor Keith hen Jennifer, Margaret Barker, and a forward written

890
01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:18.280
<v Speaker 3>by Jean Claude Brigade.

891
01:02:18.559 --> 01:02:21.480
<v Speaker 2>But I think we asked some We have something even better, David.

892
01:02:21.559 --> 01:02:23.559
<v Speaker 2>We have this video that you're going to send to me,

893
01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:26.599
<v Speaker 2>that you have sent to me and those of you listening.

894
01:02:26.760 --> 01:02:31.719
<v Speaker 2>This is David's recent review of the testing as well

895
01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:36.280
<v Speaker 2>as latest information in a video that I will place

896
01:02:36.840 --> 01:02:40.079
<v Speaker 2>throughout the social media. Go to Earth Ancients, look for

897
01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:44.840
<v Speaker 2>the link, look for the picture of David and the

898
01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:50.480
<v Speaker 2>banner for the week, and I'll have the video link

899
01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:53.400
<v Speaker 2>next to that, So there you go anywhere we have

900
01:02:53.639 --> 01:02:59.480
<v Speaker 2>on Instagram, Facebook, on the Earth Ancient's website, it'll be everywhere.

901
01:02:59.519 --> 01:03:02.360
<v Speaker 2>So I think that what you say, that's better. That's

902
01:03:02.440 --> 01:03:03.920
<v Speaker 2>the best way to go is to.

903
01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:07.400
<v Speaker 3>Show absolutely and if they want to visit, if your

904
01:03:07.639 --> 01:03:12.239
<v Speaker 3>viewers want to visit the YouTube channel which is the

905
01:03:12.320 --> 01:03:16.440
<v Speaker 3>Jordan hashtags the Jordan Codices, they can also go to

906
01:03:16.519 --> 01:03:21.320
<v Speaker 3>the led Codices dot com website. And for those who

907
01:03:21.320 --> 01:03:25.639
<v Speaker 3>are really interested in the science, there is also another

908
01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:29.360
<v Speaker 3>website we've set up called the Newman Society. I will

909
01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:31.559
<v Speaker 3>send you the details so you can forward it to

910
01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:37.320
<v Speaker 3>your your viewers. But you know, this is progressing and

911
01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:41.920
<v Speaker 3>we're we've got a lot to announce because there's some

912
01:03:41.960 --> 01:03:44.360
<v Speaker 3>pretty sensational stuff in the Codsese.

913
01:03:43.960 --> 01:03:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Give us an update, David as to where you're going

914
01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:50.840
<v Speaker 2>and what we can look forward to. Let's just say

915
01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:54.000
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty six, Well that's to this year.

916
01:03:54.079 --> 01:03:56.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm hoping that Jennifer and I will get our books

917
01:03:56.960 --> 01:04:02.000
<v Speaker 3>published by mainstream publishers this year. I've written the book

918
01:04:02.000 --> 01:04:05.880
<v Speaker 3>on the context, translation, and history of the Codices, putting

919
01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:10.639
<v Speaker 3>everything back into the proper biblical context. Now that they've

920
01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:15.800
<v Speaker 3>been discovered. Jennifer has written a wonderful two volume of

921
01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:20.639
<v Speaker 3>books on the everyday adventure of what happened to us,

922
01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:25.000
<v Speaker 3>who did what to us, and who said what to whom?

923
01:04:25.239 --> 01:04:28.760
<v Speaker 3>And it's very spicy, very juicy, and I think it

924
01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:32.719
<v Speaker 3>will tell a very very remarkable story to an audience

925
01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:34.559
<v Speaker 3>who will not be able to put it down.

926
01:04:34.840 --> 01:04:38.280
<v Speaker 2>I think, just to interrupt you for a minute, you

927
01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:41.400
<v Speaker 2>have spoken to me that you've had your life threatened

928
01:04:41.440 --> 01:04:46.920
<v Speaker 2>a couple of times. Yes, yeah, that's I mean, is

929
01:04:46.920 --> 01:04:50.000
<v Speaker 2>that running you off the road or is it more serious?

930
01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:55.599
<v Speaker 3>It's more serious that. To be honest with you, Cliff,

931
01:04:55.960 --> 01:04:57.280
<v Speaker 3>I find it exhilarating.

932
01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:02.360
<v Speaker 2>Guy, buddy, come by, now, Well, why.

933
01:05:02.360 --> 01:05:04.199
<v Speaker 3>Somebody wants to kill me if these things are fake?

934
01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Well, I guess you could put it in that context.

935
01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:11.519
<v Speaker 2>But you know, there's been a lot of people, not

936
01:05:11.599 --> 01:05:13.519
<v Speaker 2>a lot, but there's been a handful of people in

937
01:05:13.559 --> 01:05:17.920
<v Speaker 2>the alternative research field that have been put away because

938
01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:22.880
<v Speaker 2>of their the threat to certain organizations. I can name

939
01:05:22.920 --> 01:05:23.480
<v Speaker 2>a handful.

940
01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:27.480
<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm not I would say I'm kind of I've

941
01:05:27.519 --> 01:05:30.480
<v Speaker 3>got a foot in both camps, alternative and orthodox, because

942
01:05:31.159 --> 01:05:35.039
<v Speaker 3>you know, I'm left handed dyslexic, irish, I see things.

943
01:05:36.280 --> 01:05:38.320
<v Speaker 3>You know, I've got a big sense of humor, which

944
01:05:38.360 --> 01:05:42.079
<v Speaker 3>also helps as well. Yeah with you. You know, I

945
01:05:42.119 --> 01:05:45.280
<v Speaker 3>don't want to make anything of this because it's the

946
01:05:45.320 --> 01:05:48.840
<v Speaker 3>way humans act. I mean, you know, coming big here.

947
01:05:49.480 --> 01:05:51.519
<v Speaker 3>I want to share it with even with those people,

948
01:05:51.559 --> 01:05:54.599
<v Speaker 3>because when they realize what it is we've got and

949
01:05:54.719 --> 01:05:57.320
<v Speaker 3>it's going to need to renewal, they'll become a part

950
01:05:57.360 --> 01:06:00.239
<v Speaker 3>of this too, I'm sure, and I wish them, yes,

951
01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:05.159
<v Speaker 3>because this is about the renewal of the spirit in

952
01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:08.400
<v Speaker 3>modern human society. Because Jesus said he would come back.

953
01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:12.519
<v Speaker 3>He's back. Now that's the word out there real quickly.

954
01:06:12.559 --> 01:06:15.119
<v Speaker 2>Before I let you go, do you you've been in

955
01:06:15.199 --> 01:06:18.760
<v Speaker 2>contact with the scholars behind the research and the Dead

956
01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:22.599
<v Speaker 2>Sea scrolls. Did they have this same kind of problem

957
01:06:22.599 --> 01:06:27.039
<v Speaker 2>when they first released the information on the scrolls? That

958
01:06:27.159 --> 01:06:31.400
<v Speaker 2>was a long AGO's almost ninety years ago, isn't it

959
01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:32.400
<v Speaker 2>when they found out.

960
01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:34.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh, sort of nineteen forty seven, so that's about eighty

961
01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:35.400
<v Speaker 3>years ago.

962
01:06:35.559 --> 01:06:36.199
<v Speaker 2>Eighty years ago.

963
01:06:36.360 --> 01:06:39.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, there was a lot of controversy, definitely. Yeah, yeah,

964
01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:45.199
<v Speaker 3>I mean one senior scholar told us about all about

965
01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:51.960
<v Speaker 3>ten twelve years ago that when scholars first were brought

966
01:06:52.000 --> 01:06:56.119
<v Speaker 3>in to translate them, they were given orders by certain

967
01:06:56.159 --> 01:06:59.920
<v Speaker 3>people from one eye to translate them away from christian origin.

968
01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:00.880
<v Speaker 2>What.

969
01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:05.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, we were. I was astonished by that. And yeah,

970
01:07:05.880 --> 01:07:08.760
<v Speaker 3>but you know again, you know we're eighty years down

971
01:07:08.840 --> 01:07:14.800
<v Speaker 3>the pathway now Christianity is it's not in a brilliant state.

972
01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:19.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the church, not necessarily Christianity church.

973
01:07:19.880 --> 01:07:24.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we need now to start reconfiguring thinking about it

974
01:07:24.199 --> 01:07:27.800
<v Speaker 3>and as I said, we need to start loving our labels.

975
01:07:29.239 --> 01:07:31.559
<v Speaker 2>David, this has been a real eye opener and a

976
01:07:31.559 --> 01:07:33.360
<v Speaker 2>pleasure having you on the program. I want to mention

977
01:07:33.400 --> 01:07:35.320
<v Speaker 2>to our listeners that David is going to send me.

978
01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:38.679
<v Speaker 2>I think we agreed on five to seven photographs from

979
01:07:38.719 --> 01:07:42.480
<v Speaker 2>the book that he took of not only the cave,

980
01:07:42.639 --> 01:07:49.719
<v Speaker 2>but details of these codeses the middle and how it

981
01:07:49.800 --> 01:07:53.840
<v Speaker 2>was forged into these little small books are small, so

982
01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:57.280
<v Speaker 2>you can go to Earth Ancients on Facebook and you'll

983
01:07:57.280 --> 01:07:59.960
<v Speaker 2>see all the details. David, we want to follow up

984
01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:03.119
<v Speaker 2>on this, so let's have you back and we'll have

985
01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Jennifer back to do see the next phase of this research.

986
01:08:08.599 --> 01:08:11.360
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, and just one small thing I forgot to mention,

987
01:08:11.639 --> 01:08:14.639
<v Speaker 3>just that your viewers might find quite exciting if they

988
01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:17.399
<v Speaker 3>go to the Gospel of John to the episode of

989
01:08:17.439 --> 01:08:22.000
<v Speaker 3>the woman taking in adultery. Jesus went faced with the elders.

990
01:08:22.039 --> 01:08:26.199
<v Speaker 3>Before he utters his wonderful immortal words, he kneels down

991
01:08:26.319 --> 01:08:30.800
<v Speaker 3>to write in the sand. That is the description of

992
01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:35.119
<v Speaker 3>the making of a lead book. Sand is wetted with water,

993
01:08:35.640 --> 01:08:39.000
<v Speaker 3>You write in it, you stamp in your your symbols,

994
01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:42.439
<v Speaker 3>and then you pour molten lead over it. Within a

995
01:08:42.479 --> 01:08:46.439
<v Speaker 3>matter of a few minutes, you have got uniform, thin

996
01:08:46.520 --> 01:08:50.119
<v Speaker 3>sheets of lead that can then be trimmed, piled on

997
01:08:50.159 --> 01:08:52.399
<v Speaker 3>top of each other, and sewn together to give you

998
01:08:52.399 --> 01:08:53.039
<v Speaker 3>a codex.

999
01:08:53.199 --> 01:08:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Are you speculating that that's how they were made?

1000
01:08:56.760 --> 01:08:59.720
<v Speaker 3>Nope, we know that's how they were made, they don't.

1001
01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:06.600
<v Speaker 2>They pour the mold of the cover in the wet sand.

1002
01:09:07.439 --> 01:09:09.399
<v Speaker 3>In the sand. In wet sand, you know, when you

1003
01:09:09.439 --> 01:09:13.039
<v Speaker 3>go to the sea, Yeah, and you're sea shore down,

1004
01:09:13.319 --> 01:09:15.479
<v Speaker 3>you leave footprints in the wet sand and it takes

1005
01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:20.800
<v Speaker 3>two or three incoming waves to finally erase the mark.

1006
01:09:21.680 --> 01:09:24.720
<v Speaker 3>That's exactly how you make a metal book, because once

1007
01:09:24.720 --> 01:09:28.359
<v Speaker 3>you've wet the sand, the sand will not collapse. When

1008
01:09:28.359 --> 01:09:32.680
<v Speaker 3>you're pouring in the metal because it's wet. So we

1009
01:09:32.760 --> 01:09:36.159
<v Speaker 3>have the world's first printing in a sense that's amazing.

1010
01:09:36.199 --> 01:09:37.319
<v Speaker 2>I never even thought about that.

1011
01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:42.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, So that tells you immediately that there's

1012
01:09:42.680 --> 01:09:45.880
<v Speaker 3>a coder within the Gospels even which is giving you

1013
01:09:46.039 --> 01:09:50.119
<v Speaker 3>chap from Verse on these things. So that's another curious

1014
01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:55.359
<v Speaker 3>piece of well teasing information from myself, which we'll talk

1015
01:09:55.399 --> 01:09:56.720
<v Speaker 3>about in the coming months.

1016
01:09:57.720 --> 01:09:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Best wish is to get your books published and for

1017
01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:01.920
<v Speaker 2>keep in touch with me as see if I can help.

1018
01:10:01.920 --> 01:10:05.159
<v Speaker 2>If you can't get a straight line to a publisher,

1019
01:10:05.359 --> 01:10:07.399
<v Speaker 2>I would think that someone would be love to pick

1020
01:10:07.479 --> 01:10:09.279
<v Speaker 2>up this new book.

1021
01:10:10.079 --> 01:10:14.439
<v Speaker 3>Well, now we've you know, verified the authenticity of these

1022
01:10:14.479 --> 01:10:17.800
<v Speaker 3>things on the footage is now available online. I'm hoping

1023
01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:21.439
<v Speaker 3>that somebody will be brave enough to take on the

1024
01:10:21.479 --> 01:10:25.720
<v Speaker 3>task of getting this information out to Christians and non

1025
01:10:25.800 --> 01:10:28.479
<v Speaker 3>Christians everywhere, because this is really important.

1026
01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:33.159
<v Speaker 2>It would be a new Year's wish for you and

1027
01:10:33.199 --> 01:10:38.439
<v Speaker 2>for us to have this validated on a global scale.

1028
01:10:38.560 --> 01:10:41.319
<v Speaker 2>But I think the books would be a good first

1029
01:10:41.359 --> 01:10:42.960
<v Speaker 2>step in the right direction.

1030
01:10:43.720 --> 01:10:46.880
<v Speaker 3>Boroally agree absolutely my success.

1031
01:10:47.600 --> 01:10:48.199
<v Speaker 2>Keep it up.

1032
01:10:50.079 --> 01:10:53.520
<v Speaker 3>And it's great speaking with your Cliff as ever and

1033
01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:55.760
<v Speaker 3>speak to you hopefully later in the year.

1034
01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:05.119
<v Speaker 2>You know, discovery is what we're all about here on earth, ancients,

1035
01:11:05.159 --> 01:11:07.960
<v Speaker 2>and from the very minute that I decided to do

1036
01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:11.119
<v Speaker 2>a podcast, my goal was to find stories like this,

1037
01:11:11.319 --> 01:11:18.880
<v Speaker 2>the led coteses or books that are old and that

1038
01:11:18.920 --> 01:11:25.439
<v Speaker 2>people don't know about, and they shake up the institutions

1039
01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:33.279
<v Speaker 2>of education and higher learning. It obviously religion we need

1040
01:11:33.319 --> 01:11:36.920
<v Speaker 2>to be shaken up. We're too docile or too complacent

1041
01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:43.520
<v Speaker 2>in our daily activities. And I'm always questioning history, and

1042
01:11:43.560 --> 01:11:47.880
<v Speaker 2>this is one of the best examples of questioning the

1043
01:11:47.920 --> 01:11:51.359
<v Speaker 2>disciples of Christ and Christ himself. If these are actually

1044
01:11:51.359 --> 01:11:56.880
<v Speaker 2>what they look like they are, which is documents of

1045
01:11:57.039 --> 01:12:01.479
<v Speaker 2>a time prior to the Bible. This is prior to

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<v Speaker 2>the people who wrote the Bible. So and I just

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<v Speaker 2>love the story and I really urge you to see

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<v Speaker 2>the documentary. You can also see go to Jordancourtises dot com,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess and see what's there. But the documentary is

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<v Speaker 2>fairly new and we didn't really talk about it. He's

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<v Speaker 2>coming up with another book later in the year, so

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<v Speaker 2>we have that to look forward to also, So it

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<v Speaker 2>was fun having him on the program. We will have

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<v Speaker 2>him back. I'm sure we'll have him back before the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the year given his commitment to the projects

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<v Speaker 2>having to do with these codises. So fun stuff. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't mentioned it recently, but I'll be speaking at

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<v Speaker 2>the New Living Expo April seventeenth in Santra Fiel, which

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<v Speaker 2>is just north of San Francisco, and I'm presenting some

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<v Speaker 2>new slides on Mayan pyramid tech. Where they developed their science,

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<v Speaker 2>how they utilized it, and what we don't know scientifically,

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<v Speaker 2>what we're beginning to understand and from these oral traditions

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<v Speaker 2>left to us by the Maya, we're beginning to sense

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<v Speaker 2>that they really had a science in place that was

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<v Speaker 2>able to change not only the environment but human physiology.

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<v Speaker 2>For all the details on this expo, go to a

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<v Speaker 2>New Livingexpo dot com and you can see the entire

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<v Speaker 2>itinerary and daily speakers is over. I think it's about

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and fifty speakers over three days the seventeenth, eighteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>and nineteenth of April. So if you can make it,

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<v Speaker 2>come on down, say hi and take in the information.

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<v Speaker 2>Love to have you on the program. All right, then,

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<v Speaker 2>for this podcast, I want to think my guest today

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<v Speaker 2>David Elkington, coming to us from London as always the

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<v Speaker 2>team of Gueltor, Mark Foster and Faisal Pravar. You guys

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<v Speaker 2>rock al right, Take care of you well and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk to you next time. The Woman lads