Speaker 1: Get weird on a Thursday. Why not we have weird
Speaker 1: on a Thursday. Chris com Ronnie is live in studio. Now,
Speaker 1: you and I are both fans of the sunshine. Do
Speaker 1: you enjoy a little bit of rain from time to
Speaker 1: time or is this just an indicator of what we're.
Speaker 2: In form The answer is yes.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, like yes and.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's fine. I think we were absurdly spoiled the
Speaker 2: last month. Yes, were something that's I don't remember ever
Speaker 2: happening here, like end of September through basically most of October,
Speaker 2: where it's eighty degrees every day, like no clouds in
Speaker 2: the sky. This is fine, this is this is acceptable.
Speaker 2: I'm about it. That rain and wind means like clear air,
Speaker 2: chrisp aair.
Speaker 1: Yes it does.
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, that's what we're
Speaker 2: all aiming for in this place.
Speaker 1: For sure, and we have been spoiled with an actual fall,
Speaker 1: so we'll take that. Christopher, how are you man? Happy Thursday?
Speaker 1: Things good with you?
Speaker 2: I'm good, man. I'm standing up straight because I know
Speaker 2: I'm on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Chris is on YouTube. If you want to go watch
Speaker 1: us on YouTube, go ahead. We get like two people, man,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it, you know, and that's why I
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Speaker 1: Comaraddi in studio situation might change things. So hopefully we
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Speaker 2: Know what is the sky falling? You know?
Speaker 1: Before we do that, let's save Utah football for the
Speaker 1: four o'clock out that I like. And let's start with
Speaker 1: the lads. Okay, let's start with the It'.
Speaker 2: Still okay because I know it's in a little bit
Speaker 2: of like you know, parking the bus, so to speak.
Speaker 2: Like if we're playing online and we're playing against a
Speaker 2: player that you know is better than you, got to
Speaker 2: kind of play from the back.
Speaker 1: That feels like a personal shot. But anyway, but I
Speaker 1: know Trey's listening. He's crying real tears because we haven't
Speaker 1: talked to oursl and they play this week, and we'll
Speaker 1: do a whole segment of Utah Football Cam rising at
Speaker 1: the four o'clock hour, and we'll also recap your trip
Speaker 1: to Hawaii to hunt for pigs with Trevor Riley. A
Speaker 1: real thing. But as we approach the final match of
Speaker 1: the season, you'll be good with us. Put into context
Speaker 1: what setting a record would mean four points in a season.
Speaker 1: If they get three on Saturday, that's oh wow. I
Speaker 1: did not know that it would set a record for
Speaker 1: the regular season.
Speaker 2: Wow. I still think that we're playing the same amount
Speaker 2: of regular season games as we did around the early
Speaker 2: twenty tens to mid twenty tens when they had really
Speaker 2: good runs, So that obviously you can compare that fairly.
Speaker 2: On one hand, glass half full, despite very lackluster last
Speaker 2: two months, the fact that you can still achieve that
Speaker 2: is impressive. Yea glass half empty. If they don't hit
Speaker 2: the skids in August, September and October, you wonder where
Speaker 2: this team could be. Honestly, like I, and this is
Speaker 2: going to be a talking point for the fan base
Speaker 2: for a long time, is what was the ultimate ceiling
Speaker 2: of this team before they had to sell Andras Gomas
Speaker 2: and I think you can make an argument that it
Speaker 2: was a potential top two seed, But as good as
Speaker 2: Andras was and as in sync as he was with
Speaker 2: Diego Luna and Chico Rongo, it wasn't really. It was
Speaker 2: kind of masking the defensive deficiencies of this team for
Speaker 2: a long time. I mean, we were watching very fun
Speaker 2: back and forth four two, five, three three three games,
Speaker 2: which if you're even a casual soccer fan, you're stoked
Speaker 2: on because there's actual, tangibly cool stuff happening on the field.
Speaker 1: It was as entertaining of a group that potentially I've
Speaker 1: ever seen.
Speaker 2: Here from an attacking standpoint, yeah, yeah, And there will
Speaker 2: always be a what might have been type of deal?
Speaker 2: My bad, there will always be a what type of
Speaker 2: like what could have been? But Andres had to be
Speaker 2: sold because you have to pocket that money. That is
Speaker 2: an insane amount of money. It's a club record, it's
Speaker 2: one of the highest fees in the history of the league.
Speaker 2: And I don't think they I don't think they've missed
Speaker 2: the mark with some of these investments. It's just it's
Speaker 2: always hard to come into this league in the middle
Speaker 2: of the season as an international player and hit the
Speaker 2: ground running. Look at Diego Gonzalveez, like, this is a
Speaker 2: dude who basically owned Manchester United in a Champions League game,
Speaker 2: and he's having trouble finding his spot in the starting eleven.
Speaker 2: It's not because he's not a good player or the
Speaker 2: wrong player. It's just that Pablo has to figure out
Speaker 2: who his best attacking group is right now, and currently
Speaker 2: it's Diogo coming off the bench, it's Matt Crooks in
Speaker 2: that attacking spot. It's Dominic mark Zuk, who's been very
Speaker 2: good I think since coming over. So a very long
Speaker 2: winded way of saying, if they can achieve the points
Speaker 2: record from a club standpoint, it's a huge accomplishment. But
Speaker 2: it's just a very odd season that we'll look back
Speaker 2: on for a multitude of reasons, and it's not a
Speaker 2: bad thing. It's just something that this club has never
Speaker 2: really had to go through before.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and you did a good job of unpacking
Speaker 1: it because ultimately it might be the right thing. But
Speaker 1: I did feel like there was a chance, and I
Speaker 1: asked Kurt this, I asked Jason this, and I asked
Speaker 1: Pablo this. I felt like there was a chance that
Speaker 1: even though to your point, you can't turn down that
Speaker 1: transfer fee, they were trading the potential for something cool
Speaker 1: now for the long game down the road, which again
Speaker 1: might be the right thing. But in retrospect, did they
Speaker 1: do that or do we still have to wait and see?
Speaker 2: I think we still have to wait and see again,
Speaker 2: Like if Andris is here, if Carlos is here, Carlos
Speaker 2: Andres Gomss is still here. Excuse me, are they still
Speaker 2: winning five three games? Because if you are, that's not
Speaker 2: sustainable in the playoffs. Good point, like we've seen when
Speaker 2: Ursel has had runs under Pablo. They're literally winning games
Speaker 2: where they haven't registered a shot on goal, or if
Speaker 2: they've gone on the road and the only two shots
Speaker 2: on goal that they've registered that those were two goals,
Speaker 2: like against Kansas City a couple of years ago. Like
Speaker 2: things tighten up in the postseason.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: You you you roll the dice. So to speak in
Speaker 2: selling andris. But there's just no way you could have
Speaker 2: turned that down because the whole point for some clubs
Speaker 2: in this league is to do what ourselves doing.
Speaker 1: That's just it.
Speaker 2: Correct. Yeah, and but in I think in oursl's mind,
Speaker 2: I think ideally you're talking about homegrown players who are
Speaker 2: able to fetch that kind of cash eventually. And they've
Speaker 2: had some players here and there be you know, moved on.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately not for any sums of money. Guys that left early. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, Ricardo Ledesma comes to Richie Ledesma comes to mind.
Speaker 2: He's in Holland and has been a very good player
Speaker 2: over there, Sebastian Soto. But yeah, RSL is a club
Speaker 2: that is towing the fine line of competing for a
Speaker 2: MLS Cup championship while also developing to sell on.
Speaker 1: So as we approach Saturday, there's some interesting stories to
Speaker 1: dig into, and you alluded to this. It appears that
Speaker 1: Zach has his job back. Pablo yesterday said they're going
Speaker 1: game by game, but Zach has had way too many
Speaker 1: gaffes that are so elementary and punitive that I'm sure
Speaker 1: there's a permeating nervousness in the fan base if it's Zach,
Speaker 1: but he does have this ability to be a little
Speaker 1: bit more front facing with his communication than Gavin does
Speaker 1: at eighteen what do you do back there? And look,
Speaker 1: I want to be clear, I always want to be
Speaker 1: fair to keepers. It's never all.
Speaker 2: All the work. Listen, man, I play keeper and indoors
Speaker 2: sometimes and it is the worst. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 2: is the absolute worst because you see every breakdown in
Speaker 2: front of you right right. And yes, there have been some,
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, elementary mistakes by both of those players,
Speaker 2: but it is it is an unforgiving position like it
Speaker 2: is not. It can be fun, but it is not fun.
Speaker 1: So how much of the late game conceding of goals
Speaker 1: and therefore losing of points is on the keeper situation
Speaker 1: and how much of it is on the groove?
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a good question. I think, like, if
Speaker 2: you're looking at some of these goals that RSL has
Speaker 2: been giving up late in games when they've seen leads disappear,
Speaker 2: a lot of it is just guys tuning out for
Speaker 2: a split second, guys losing their marks. A lot of
Speaker 2: it is newer players being thrust into, you know, spots
Speaker 2: on the back line that you know you're you're learning
Speaker 2: on the fly how to communicate with players that you
Speaker 2: might only have known for the last two or three
Speaker 2: weeks or the last two or three months. That stuff
Speaker 2: takes time. I mean again, like, I know, it's going
Speaker 2: to always be unfair to compare eras, But the reason
Speaker 2: why you know RSL was once impossible to score on
Speaker 2: was because they had basically the same five guys on
Speaker 2: that back line for like four straight years. It wasn't
Speaker 2: just Nick, which is insane if you think about like
Speaker 2: that just doesn't really happen, and he throw Kyle in
Speaker 2: the mix as well as the defensive midfielder, it just
Speaker 2: doesn't happen. So if you're talking about who's at fault
Speaker 2: for a lot of these costly late goals and these
Speaker 2: leads being conceded, I think it's everybody. And it's really
Speaker 2: odd because if you think about Pablo, like, I know,
Speaker 2: he's a vibes guy, but he's a I mean, he's
Speaker 2: a defensive minded player.
Speaker 1: That's what he did, Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's that's how he basically cut his teeth in the
Speaker 2: sport when he was a player. So I'm fascinated to
Speaker 2: see how they look in the playoffs because if they
Speaker 2: keep these kinds of like mental errors and lapses of
Speaker 2: mental judgment going, they're going to be a quick out
Speaker 2: no matter who they play.
Speaker 1: So who do you think should be between the pipes?
Speaker 2: I probably go with Zach. It's it kind of goes
Speaker 2: against everything that I stand for because you know, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm all about, like, you know, playing the right goalkeeper
Speaker 2: in Major League socer. I mean, Gavin, Gavin Beavers is
Speaker 2: really well regarded in the youth national CURIYSM, So I
Speaker 2: would assume that it will be Zach. But I think
Speaker 2: this has to be the last year, like if you're
Speaker 2: going to keep if Gavin is going to be your
Speaker 2: guy for the future and a guy that you can
Speaker 2: see potentially, you know, establishing himself well enough that he
Speaker 2: could maybe be moved on overseas. He's got to have
Speaker 2: more games. He just has to.
Speaker 1: Zach mcmathe cam rising of RSL.
Speaker 5: We'll get to that in a little bit too early
Speaker 5: of a transition. We'll get to that a little bit.
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's have a little fun here. Okay,
Speaker 1: So Pablo yesterday because I asked him, Okay, you've been
Speaker 1: on a break and you know the schedule has been
Speaker 1: a little bit chaotic. So we've seen a lot of Saturday, Wednesday, Saturday,
Speaker 1: and therefore Diego will sit on Wednesday, and then Chico
Speaker 1: will sit on Saturday, et cetera, et cetera. He said
Speaker 1: on Saturday he's going to march out the closest thing
Speaker 1: to a first choice eleven to prepare for the playoffs
Speaker 1: now that he's had a little bit of a break.
Speaker 2: Fascinating Vera.
Speaker 1: My goodness, come on, dude, like.
Speaker 2: Second year in a row.
Speaker 1: I know it's such a horrible look, asked Pablo about
Speaker 1: it yesterday. But varis out on Saturday and he misses
Speaker 1: a playoff match.
Speaker 2: So tell me, because I'm a terrible follower of the sport.
Speaker 2: Are we still in a best of three in the
Speaker 2: first round or is it a one off.
Speaker 1: Best of three? Okay, I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: it's best of three.
Speaker 2: We need a fact We're gonna a fact check her
Speaker 2: back there, porter.
Speaker 1: Order is our ESPN stats in the FO department. Here's
Speaker 1: the thing, the Mickey Mouse League changes.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I believe it's best of three.
Speaker 2: If you if I hate that I think it's so silly.
Speaker 1: Trey's gonna call in eight seven seven three five three
Speaker 1: zero seven hundred at any moment. I'm pretty sure it's
Speaker 1: best of three. But do you think you can guess
Speaker 1: what the eleven will be on Saturday if we go?
Speaker 2: I think if you're asking me, or if I'm asking
Speaker 2: you to read Pablo's mind.
Speaker 1: Important line of delineation. You are trying to read Pablo's
Speaker 1: mind about what the eleven will look like on Saturday.
Speaker 1: If this is as close to a first choice as
Speaker 1: we're going to.
Speaker 2: See, I'll go Zach and gool U katrona set left
Speaker 2: back Justin because they have no death right now, I'm
Speaker 2: guessing Philip Quinton next to Justin, and then Andrew Brodie
Speaker 2: it right back midfield obviously a Mecca hada. So this
Speaker 2: is where it gets tricky. I'm reading, I'm reading Pablo's mind.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go Luna, Crooks, Mark Zuke. I know
Speaker 2: this is hard.
Speaker 5: Either Diogo or Chiacho. I know, no, it's Anderson or
Speaker 5: Chico right at the top, run me through your midfield
Speaker 5: the end.
Speaker 2: So I'm going I'm going at the holding spots and
Speaker 2: then the three in front of them, I'm going Luna Crooks,
Speaker 2: Mark Zuke.
Speaker 1: So Crooks instead of Diogo gotcha okay.
Speaker 2: And then I'm gonna go cheat Cho. But it but
Speaker 2: it's close. They've looked better, and I'm not saying it's
Speaker 2: the I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm just
Speaker 2: saying they know they just have looked better with Anderson.
Speaker 1: Julio For the past seven months.
Speaker 2: How have they not? Chicho hasn't scored.
Speaker 1: And how long July seventeen, he's.
Speaker 2: One goal away from breaking Savo's record for how long?
Speaker 2: Four months?
Speaker 1: Do you think there's any shot that.
Speaker 2: Oh, there's a chance he doesn't break it?
Speaker 1: Do you think that Pablo sits Chicho on Saturday?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Wow, breaking news.
Speaker 2: If you're talking about if we're going off of our guy,
Speaker 2: who is who is a Vibes guy.
Speaker 1: He is a Vibes guy. But results have come this
Speaker 1: year too.
Speaker 2: Results have come. But I'm just saying, it's kind of
Speaker 2: what have you done for me lately? And the last
Speaker 2: couple of games. It is so obvious that Chiecho is
Speaker 2: so in his head that I don't know, I honestly
Speaker 2: don't know who gives you the best chance to win, right?
Speaker 2: Now are you. Are you going with your superstar striker
Speaker 2: who is terribly out of farm.
Speaker 1: Coach win on me best chance to win.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I don't think you're you're asking me
Speaker 2: to read Pablo's mind. If it's me. If it's me,
Speaker 2: I'm going pure FIFA. Give me the highest overall rated
Speaker 2: players and then let me hit turbo and see what happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, we're on the same page then, because that's
Speaker 1: what I would do. And you, okay, do you do
Speaker 1: you think because I can remember I had you on.
Speaker 1: I think it was just a couple of days after
Speaker 1: the suspension was announced, and I remember when I got
Speaker 1: the alert that this was the deal.
Speaker 2: And I.
Speaker 1: You see things like that derail seasons all the time
Speaker 1: in any sport. You think there's still something there with him,
Speaker 1: probably because he has just not well.
Speaker 2: And then he got injured right as soon as he
Speaker 2: came out.
Speaker 1: True, but there was a stretch Chris where if he
Speaker 1: only scored one goal, You're like, what's up with the dude,
Speaker 1: And now he hasn't scored since me.
Speaker 2: He had some he had some telepathic stuff going on
Speaker 2: with Gomez where they were just always always on the
Speaker 2: same page. I mean, I think him moving really really
Speaker 2: hurt Chi. Cho's just connectivity, like I would have to
Speaker 2: ask Trey, But I wonder of those seventeen goals, how
Speaker 2: many were direct assists from from andras.
Speaker 1: Let's go to our ESPN Stats and Information department for
Speaker 1: an update on the first round of the MLS playoff format.
Speaker 4: Yes, so first round, of course is as as it
Speaker 4: was last year. Round one, best of three. Of course,
Speaker 4: RSL misses the wild card, so that's well where they'll start.
Speaker 1: All right, So best of three and home field advantage,
Speaker 1: home pitch advantage as it were. I believe that's on
Speaker 1: the line. Because you know what's interesting, Chris. On Saturday,
Speaker 1: we have RSL taking on Vancouver and then we have
Speaker 1: Seattle taking on Portland. RSL and Sattle.
Speaker 2: It's a derby.
Speaker 1: It is RSL and Seattle are still in the mix
Speaker 1: for three, and Vancouver and Portland are trying to avoid
Speaker 1: the wildcard, which is a one match elimination, and those
Speaker 1: games they first kick is at the same time.
Speaker 2: Listen, man, I think if you're RSL, honestly, you want
Speaker 2: to avoid Houston at all costs. They just have their number.
Speaker 2: I don't I think there's I don't know what it
Speaker 2: is tacked, you know, from a tactical standpoint or whatever.
Speaker 2: But you've seen different pieces come and go, but here
Speaker 2: or there, Ben Olsen's group has had the best of
Speaker 2: Pablo side. So it looks like it's going to be Houston.
Speaker 2: Right Like, if we're looking at the standing, if.
Speaker 1: It started today five, if RSL wins and Seattle loses,
Speaker 1: RSL will move up to third.
Speaker 2: Where's that Seattle game?
Speaker 1: Seattle that is in Portland, So oursel's at home, Seattle's
Speaker 1: in Portland. And if RSL moves up to third, they
Speaker 1: could see, as JP would say, the crappits, they hated crappits.
Speaker 2: I mean that would be that would be good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that would be good.
Speaker 1: That looks like it's either gonna be Houston or Colorado.
Speaker 2: I mean Colorado has been much improved. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: I it would be a a monkey off their back,
Speaker 2: so to speak, if they could draw Houston and eliminate them.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 2: It just has looked real bad the last couple of seasons.
Speaker 1: All right, before we break and we'll do a segment
Speaker 1: on Utah football, b YU football college football coming up next.
Speaker 1: HEK has been in the lab. We have now a
Speaker 1: very decent sample size of well Linel Messi looks like
Speaker 1: in MLS and Miami potentially, well, they're going to win
Speaker 1: the Supporter Shield. They're three points and they're also three
Speaker 1: points away from setting an MLS single season record. How
Speaker 1: much of it is messy? How much of it is
Speaker 1: the embarrassment of riches and can anybody beat them in
Speaker 1: the playoffs?
Speaker 2: A lot, a lot, and yes, a lot of it
Speaker 2: is messy.
Speaker 1: A lot of it is messy.
Speaker 2: A lot of it is the insane amount of talent
Speaker 2: that they've added, albeit aging talent, and this is going
Speaker 2: to mait their last stop. It's MLS. But listen, man,
Speaker 2: like you're talking about putting together like thirty percent of
Speaker 2: arguably the best club team ever. Maybe it's a decade later,
Speaker 2: but you're still talking about or sorry, yeah I'm missing
Speaker 2: one Lionel Messi, Luis Suarez, Sergio Busquetz.
Speaker 1: And Georgia Albo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that is insane, it is, I'm sorry. And
Speaker 2: the fact that they've all managed to stay healthy for
Speaker 2: the most part outside of Messi than when he got
Speaker 2: hurt in Copa America. Like this, that team has been
Speaker 2: as good if not better without him as they have
Speaker 2: been with him. But like in MLS, yes, can they
Speaker 2: be beat? Yes, of course they can be beat.
Speaker 1: It's MLS who last thing, who lives in their cul
Speaker 1: de sac. I mean I don't watch enough. I only
Speaker 1: watch RSL and then I'll check you if Miami's on,
Speaker 1: And of course you want to see what that looks like.
Speaker 2: Columbus.
Speaker 1: Columbus is in their stratosphere. Anyone out west I would be.
Speaker 2: I mean LA Galaxy have been really good, like they
Speaker 2: finally ditch the superstar chasing mode. They do have Marco
Speaker 2: Royce who just came up. But LAFC. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: if you're talking about the two best teams in the league,
Speaker 2: it's Columbus in Miami.
Speaker 1: Easy. Interesting, well, fall soccer is a lot of fun.
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Speaker 1: I'm getting clueless vibes with the no Doubt I'm just
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Speaker 2: No great song.
Speaker 1: It's a good shout out, King, it's a good shout
Speaker 1: out to Gen X, my generation, the generation that.
Speaker 2: You the best generation?
Speaker 1: You really should you fit the description you. You are
Speaker 1: a millennial trapped in a Gen x ER's body.
Speaker 2: I believe that wholeheartedly, and I'm sad that I am
Speaker 2: part of what I can argue is not the best generation.
Speaker 2: But hey, we move forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and nobody wants my take gone it. It's well documented.
Speaker 2: They just gen X sounds cooler. It's like if you
Speaker 2: when you say millennial does not sound cool, well and
Speaker 2: gen Z sounds cooler. It is cooler, yes, millennials. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we don't have to you know what, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to do that thing today. There's a certain age
Speaker 2: right now that I'm having a tough time with in life.
Speaker 1: But I think it's just going to move on from
Speaker 1: all of that, all right, Chris? Since you and I
Speaker 1: last spoke, uh, the news became official that Cameron Rising
Speaker 1: is done for the year. Yeah, second straight season. You
Speaker 1: had very unique access to Cam and his family for
Speaker 1: the piece you wrote that I've sent people to over
Speaker 1: and over and over. There is still this faction of
Speaker 1: our community that, you know, he's a sandbagger, he got paid,
Speaker 1: he should be playing. I don't know how much attention
Speaker 1: I want to give that faction of our community, but
Speaker 1: they do exist, and the money thing does.
Speaker 2: Can the players see it, which is unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Yes, no, No. I've been talking about that. Every time
Speaker 1: I hear a coach say, well, I'm not on social media,
Speaker 1: I say, well, guess what your players are, right, So
Speaker 1: let's just big picture where you are with this entire thing,
Speaker 1: second year in a row.
Speaker 2: Brutal development. I can't remember the last time a local
Speaker 2: player had as many high highs and low you know,
Speaker 2: personal lows from an injury standpoint, like we don't. I
Speaker 2: guess Taysom is like would be a close like analogy,
Speaker 2: but Tasom never led them to COMPU championships. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: but you're not wrong, but like I'm just yeah, it's unfortunate.
Speaker 2: I mean, he shouldn't have been out there, like clearly
Speaker 2: it did not look right, and we can relitigate that
Speaker 2: till the cows come home. But he's done for the year.
Speaker 2: And my assumptions would be that the two sides, you know,
Speaker 2: hug each other, give each other thanks and say we
Speaker 2: did a lot of cool stuff, but it's time to
Speaker 2: part ways. That is just an assumption on my part,
Speaker 2: and I think that would be best for both parties involved.
Speaker 1: I agree with you there, and that obviously has been
Speaker 1: a topic on the show. Eric Weddle was on on
Speaker 1: Monday and I asked him straight up his thoughts on
Speaker 1: cam coming back for an eighth year, and you can
Speaker 1: go listen to it. I don't want to speak for him.
Speaker 1: He wasn't taking a shot at Cam. He echoed what
Speaker 1: you just said. Probably best for everybody to kind of
Speaker 1: go their separate ways. I do have to say I
Speaker 1: wouldn't blame Cam if he did it, Like, if the
Speaker 1: nil money is still there, he's not I agree with that.
Speaker 1: So but if it's even there for a couple hundred grand, come,
Speaker 1: you know, be on the sideline and help Isaac Wilson
Speaker 1: as a quasi backup. I don't know. I'm just thinking
Speaker 1: out loud because what's Cam going to do next year
Speaker 1: if he doesn't play football? Gordon joined us earlier. He
Speaker 1: made a good point, like he's got a good community
Speaker 1: if he's got an agent and he's made a little money.
Speaker 1: A lot of these guys, like X BYU players latch
Speaker 1: onto the bro companies down south to make a lot
Speaker 1: of money. They work down there, and there is a
Speaker 1: community you have as a collegiate athlete where you're not
Speaker 1: going to go be the assistant manager at Shields. But
Speaker 1: what does he do next year if he doesn't play football?
Speaker 1: Would you blame him if he came back?
Speaker 2: Oh no, I wouldn't blame him if he came back.
Speaker 2: But I mean he has to make a business decision
Speaker 2: at this point, Like he's made a lot of money,
Speaker 2: he's been very successful. Does it make sense for him
Speaker 2: to if he doesn't come back to Utah, does he
Speaker 2: want to pursue going somewhere else? And what does that
Speaker 2: market look like? I mean, because at this point, I
Speaker 2: don't we don't know what the severity of the injury
Speaker 2: is and how long he's going to be out. Now,
Speaker 2: Like when Kyle says he's out for the rest of
Speaker 2: the year, we're talking six games, which is basically two months,
Speaker 2: So I would assume it's nothing serious. We haven't heard otherwise.
Speaker 2: But Cam has made it very clear to me. His
Speaker 2: folks have made it very clear to me that you know,
Speaker 2: he wants to give the NFL a shot. And like,
Speaker 2: I'm not comparing the two before people before the two
Speaker 2: people watching on YouTube go nuts five. Who would have
Speaker 2: thought that Taysom Hill would become a very good NFL player?
Speaker 2: Totally different skill set. I get it, But I'm just saying,
Speaker 2: like you're talking about a guy who had like the
Speaker 2: same awful injury three years in a row, and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden became like a very reliable, unique Swiss
Speaker 2: Army knife healthy player in the NFL. So Cam ran
Speaker 2: into about of really crappy luck man, like that is
Speaker 2: the bottom line, Like you can't really turn it or
Speaker 2: twist it any other way. The knee injury was lingering
Speaker 2: two years ago. You know, he heard it in that
Speaker 2: crazy USC game and it prolonged and eventually exploded. That's
Speaker 2: a that's a very big, unfortunate reality. The hand thing
Speaker 2: you never see happen, especially to your throwing hand, you know,
Speaker 2: being shoved into a gatorade station and got rolled up
Speaker 2: on it is what it is again, Like, I don't
Speaker 2: want to be that guy who sounds like a broken record.
Speaker 2: Can't be mad at football player for getting hurt.
Speaker 1: Let me follow up and I'll just ask you straight up,
Speaker 1: outside of what you just said, what's your reaction to
Speaker 1: the portion of the community that I perceive to be
Speaker 1: real Because it's not just cowards that want to be
Speaker 1: brave online. I've hurt real people who I know say
Speaker 1: out loud that they're out on camp, like just out
Speaker 1: on them, just over it.
Speaker 2: To that, I would say the term fan is short
Speaker 2: for fanatic, and that is a very fanatic approach to
Speaker 2: an existence that people have poured a lot of energy
Speaker 2: and time and money into But I'll tell you one thing.
Speaker 2: In this day and age, people can pay attention to
Speaker 2: how fan bases treat their players. And if you're talking
Speaker 2: about a place that has historically struggled to recruit and
Speaker 2: retain quarterbacks, if you're having their fan base turn on
Speaker 2: one of the best to ever do, it not a
Speaker 2: great look. That's just the reality. It's not a great look.
Speaker 1: They did lose a big time commit today as well,
Speaker 1: a defensive lineman from Spanish Fork decommitted. He was one
Speaker 1: of the best players they had in the class coming up.
Speaker 1: I'm not drawing a straight line, but you're not wrong.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, is there any part of
Speaker 1: the entire dynamic that it's fair to be frustrated with?
Speaker 2: You can be well, if you're asking me, my opinion
Speaker 2: is you can be frustrated with the way Utah handled
Speaker 2: the injury quote unquote reports the situation mainly last year.
Speaker 2: I think this year people understood saw the writing on
Speaker 2: the wall, realized kind of what was taking place. But again,
Speaker 2: Kyle doesn't care. He doesn't you're talking about like I mean,
Speaker 2: is Kyle the most powerful like non politician in this
Speaker 2: state probably honestly, Like he's a guy that could walk
Speaker 2: into most house and everybody would just be like, here,
Speaker 2: let me make something for you, please.
Speaker 1: My guy Ryan might have a little power these days.
Speaker 2: Okay, I guess, like, yeah, I guess I'm saying like
Speaker 2: a player athlete from a player coach athlete point of view,
Speaker 2: But yeah, they fans can be frustrated with that. I
Speaker 2: do think we had an unfortunate bubbling to the surface
Speaker 2: of people believing that this team was going to go
Speaker 2: undefeated in the Big Twelve and that they were better
Speaker 2: than everybody else and kind of drinking the kool aid,
Speaker 2: which is an overuseed cliche. But this team has a
Speaker 2: lot of flaws and they have a lot of injuries.
Speaker 2: But you know, teams also have other injuries across the country.
Speaker 2: Other teams have injuries across the country. They just have
Speaker 2: better depth. And that's just the reality. We've talked about
Speaker 2: this ad nauseum.
Speaker 1: Nick Saban feeded teams. Two of his national championship teams
Speaker 1: went undefeated in his entire run, Like even the best,
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen very often. I don't think I ever
Speaker 1: thought they were in that stratosphere potentially running the table.
Speaker 1: But I did think they'd have something to say about
Speaker 1: the Big twelve championship. Oh yeah, every day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if Cam stays healthy. Listen, Cam looked like his
Speaker 2: old self the first game and a half until he
Speaker 2: got hurt again, two different injuries. I'm sorry it happens,
Speaker 2: but eventually you got to turn the page. It is
Speaker 2: a cutthroat, unforgiving business for a player in college football.
Speaker 2: You can be a superstar, millionaire nil quarterback one day
Speaker 2: and then you get hurt, and then you have to
Speaker 2: figure out what's next. Unfortunately, for Cam that's where he's.
Speaker 1: At and it is time to turn the page. So
Speaker 1: let's let's talk ball.
Speaker 2: Okay. I came prepared, Listen, I know I'm prepared. Okay,
Speaker 2: where do you want to start offense or defense?
Speaker 1: I want to start with the dynamic on Saturday night
Speaker 1: where TCU is not great against the run. Okay, there,
Speaker 1: I think one hundred and sixteenth in the country the run,
Speaker 1: and you can't put everything on the shoulders of your
Speaker 1: freshman quarterback. I think we see Andy Ludwig and this
Speaker 1: entire approach go old school entirely. You got to start
Speaker 1: winning the line of scrimmage again, You've got to be
Speaker 1: better against the run. And I think we're gonna see
Speaker 1: a healthy dose in Mackai Bernard and I think they're
Speaker 1: gonna do everything they can to surround Isaac with healthy
Speaker 1: needs instead of making him be cammed from two years ago.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is a game that they can
Speaker 1: get because TCU doesn't stop the run. I think we're
Speaker 1: gonna see a healthy dose of the Utah run game.
Speaker 2: Okay, stats, bring it came, came prepared.
Speaker 1: I know you did.
Speaker 2: Total offense right now in the country fifty eighth. This
Speaker 2: is Utah Utah rushing offense fifty sixth, which is lower
Speaker 2: than I thought because McKay has been good. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: he's really been the only like there isn't.
Speaker 1: Really he's a best player on the team. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Passing offense sixty sixth, only ten spots behind the rushing
Speaker 2: running defense, First downs tied for seventy seconds, scoring offense
Speaker 2: eighty four, red zone offense eighty ninth. And this is
Speaker 2: the craziest part to me. Time of possession second in
Speaker 2: the country. So Utah has the second best time of
Speaker 2: possession in the country, but they have not been able
Speaker 2: to cash in no matter who's at quarterback. That is
Speaker 2: a huge problem considering the weapons that they have. And
Speaker 2: I understand fans have been frustrated with the offensive play
Speaker 2: calls and the schemes and whatnot. And there have been
Speaker 2: some very head scratching calls, you know, second and ten
Speaker 2: wildcat to brand Keithy, where you obviously know what's going
Speaker 2: to happen. That kind of stuff in the red zone.
Speaker 2: It doesn't work. But Andy and his staff have to
Speaker 2: figure out a way to Taylor an offense that fits
Speaker 2: who they have. And right now, they have Mackay Bernard,
Speaker 2: they have Dorian Singer, Bran Keithy's looked okay, and they,
Speaker 2: to your point, they have to make Isaac Wilson look
Speaker 2: comfortable because I think if you're talking about that Arizona,
Speaker 2: like we talked about it, if you kick field goals
Speaker 2: there and don't go for it twice on fourth and goal,
Speaker 2: you probably have a little bit of confidence. If you're Isaac,
Speaker 2: like you're bummed that you didn't get into the end zone,
Speaker 2: but shoot, it's still six zero or seven to six.
Speaker 2: That matters for young players. And like Andy, this isn't
Speaker 2: Andy's first rodeo. He's done it a bunch of schools.
Speaker 2: He's done it here with a bunch of different quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: But it is odd considering the personnel that they have
Speaker 2: at their disposal. I mean, most of the injuries have
Speaker 2: come on the defensive side of the ball. Outside of camp, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, like yeah, I mean they're they're wide receivers
Speaker 2: of stayed healthy, brand has stayed healthy. Everybody's obsessed with
Speaker 2: the amount of tight ends that they have, Like you know,
Speaker 2: you know, Cale Blowner had a good game against somebody
Speaker 2: a few weeks ago. Red zone threat, red zone threat,
Speaker 2: six to seven, throw it up. But I don't want
Speaker 2: to say it's all on the offense, man, it's because
Speaker 2: the entire team. Listen, Utah has not looked good and
Speaker 2: game this year. They have not looked good in one game.
Speaker 2: We're six games in and I was looking at this
Speaker 2: up the other day. When was the last time Utah
Speaker 2: beat a good team? In your mind?
Speaker 1: Off the top, I'll go USC a year ago, who
Speaker 1: was not a great team.
Speaker 2: Two years ago, SC that's the twelve champion.
Speaker 1: That's the last time they beat a good team. Yep.
Speaker 2: And the only other time they beat a good team
Speaker 2: that year was the previous time they'd beat USC in
Speaker 2: the crazy Cam game here and Dalton kincaide game. Utah
Speaker 2: has not played well like and I understand. Listen, the
Speaker 2: injuries to the most important position on the field will
Speaker 2: derail lots of people, of course, but this team has
Speaker 2: failed to meet expectations that I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people have, unfortunately and unfairly to them, blowed it up
Speaker 2: in recent years.
Speaker 1: Did you think Saturday Night is something that will manifest
Speaker 1: itself as a get right type situation If they see it,
Speaker 1: they get healthy.
Speaker 2: Gotta see it. I'm not going to believe it till
Speaker 2: I see. I mean, the vibes are not good, man,
Speaker 2: They do not look good.
Speaker 1: They're not turning the other team over. They lost the
Speaker 1: turnover battle the past couple of games. Want some stats,
Speaker 1: bring it, bring it. I will say this before you
Speaker 1: levy your stats on me. I do think the rushing
Speaker 1: defense numbers are a little bit cloudy right now because
Speaker 1: a couple of big runs from the Skataboo kid like
Speaker 1: fifty eight to forty eight. Look, you can't let that happen, correct,
Speaker 1: But ultimately I think if they can get Karenne back
Speaker 1: and Conner back, and I still think defensively, they're going
Speaker 1: to be fine stopping the run.
Speaker 2: But if you're Utah, if you're Utah, if you are
Speaker 2: the program that is known locally and nationally to be
Speaker 2: a quote unquote badass defense every year, are two players
Speaker 2: really going to make that much of a difference.
Speaker 1: Shouldn't be They shouldn't be exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, rushing defense forty second in the country, which
Speaker 2: is not where Utah is used to be. And you know,
Speaker 2: piggybacking off your point against Skataboo, against Arizona, those kids
Speaker 2: were running like eight or nine yards every single touch.
Speaker 1: Open lanes for sure.
Speaker 2: Turnovers tied for fifty ninth in the country, which is
Speaker 2: very not not like Utah, And this was the craziest
Speaker 2: one to meet. Red zone defense tied for ninety six.
Speaker 2: The opposing team scores on ninety percent of the time
Speaker 2: they get.
Speaker 1: Into ooh not good, not good, not good.
Speaker 2: So again, like, while people are pissed that Cam got hurt,
Speaker 2: while they're pissed about the offensive red zone numbers, this
Speaker 2: is not on one player or one group. The entire
Speaker 2: team has failed to meet expectations. And that's okay. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but again, like maybe we were too not locally and nationally.
Speaker 2: Maybe people were lazy, Maybe people were like up cam
Speaker 2: Riising's coming back. He hasn't played in a year and
Speaker 2: a half, but he's going to be the same guy
Speaker 2: that he was. Brand Keith he hasn't played in two years. Oh,
Speaker 2: he's going to be the same guy that he was.
Speaker 2: Kai Bernard out for a year. He's looked good, but
Speaker 2: like these were huge questions around a team that had
Speaker 2: a lot of questions going in regardless.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kyle's built a bit of a benefit of the
Speaker 1: doubt situation. Absolutely, there's no doubt. It's a good point.
Speaker 1: A few minutes left before set you loose. The team
Speaker 1: that is using the Utah ethos to win games is
Speaker 1: forty miles down south Man because they're turning the other
Speaker 1: team over. They won the turnover battle every single game. Statistically,
Speaker 1: their defensive numbers not just better this year, far better.
Speaker 1: They couldn't get to the quarterback last year. They didn't
Speaker 1: make very many transfer portal additions. They just relied on
Speaker 1: continuity and giving Jay Hill another year. And you know,
Speaker 1: I even heard Jay Hill say four and a score,
Speaker 1: that's an old John PA's Utah saying like they are
Speaker 1: using the model the Utah wants to be using, and
Speaker 1: they're doing it much better than Utah is forty miles
Speaker 1: to that so south the year.
Speaker 2: How many people on that staff were on Kyle staff
Speaker 2: at one point.
Speaker 1: Except Papinga Probably I really like you can go down
Speaker 1: the list.
Speaker 2: But yeah, to your point, they are not losing the
Speaker 2: turnover battle. They don't have like a standout offensive player.
Speaker 1: They have seventeen different players who've scored touchdowns. Isn't that mind.
Speaker 2: Blowing there you go, I mean they've played like eight
Speaker 2: running backs. They do have really good receivers. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'll give that. I mean, like, but they don't have
Speaker 2: a you know, a McMillan kid. Like they have a
Speaker 2: bunch of really good receivers. And you know, Jake Reetzlof
Speaker 2: has made some boneheaded plays in the past, but he
Speaker 2: looks really good man, like Aaron Roderick knows what he's doing,
Speaker 2: Like he knew what he was doing here, he knew
Speaker 2: knows what he's doing down there. But to your point
Speaker 2: about the defense, like they didn't go out and make
Speaker 2: wholesale changes. They got really good in the linebacker room,
Speaker 2: and some of those were portal ads. The Tiger Kid
Speaker 2: came from Oregon. Jack Kelly came from Weber State. I
Speaker 2: don't know if Glasker was a transfer or not, but
Speaker 2: he's a local kid who's been really good. I mean, like,
Speaker 2: BYU has the best linebacker corp in the Big twelve.
Speaker 2: It's not even close.
Speaker 1: It's so crazy to say, but you're not wrong.
Speaker 2: So like, to me, the most interesting part of this
Speaker 2: whole start is if you're comparing, like you can make
Speaker 2: a comparison almost like Utah fans have been so spoiled
Speaker 2: with the success of the last twenty years. BYU fans
Speaker 2: have been spoiled from the previous success of the Lovelle
Speaker 2: Edwards regime that like, coming into the season, people were
Speaker 2: saying Kilani was on the hot seat Spence like like
Speaker 2: that stuff to me is one it's silly because it's BYU.
Speaker 2: There are only two coaches out there, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: in the in the NFL and college football realm, who
Speaker 2: would be considered upgrades to Colonie Sataki.
Speaker 5: Right now, you want to name him Andy Reid Kyle Whittingham.
Speaker 1: Seriously, like people who.
Speaker 2: Think that like there would there was going to be
Speaker 2: a better direction for the program to go live in
Speaker 2: a unfortunate reality and don't understand the the difficulties of
Speaker 2: recruiting and retaining talent at BYU. So the fact that
Speaker 2: Kilanie has been able to do this, albeit there have
Speaker 2: been some some down years, you know last year in
Speaker 2: the Big twelve or sure one. It's tough, but they
Speaker 2: weren't their doors blown off them every week like they
Speaker 2: lost some brutal games. The Okay State game. You know
Speaker 2: they were talking about this week time. Yea insane like
Speaker 2: listen BYU fans should be throwing a party every single
Speaker 2: weekend knowing that they have Kalani Sataki as their head
Speaker 2: coach because it is probably the most difficult place to
Speaker 2: recruit and retain players at the P four level in
Speaker 2: the country.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you. Have you ever tried a
Speaker 1: cougar tail?
Speaker 2: I have not.
Speaker 1: You're kind of anti sugar though it's.
Speaker 2: Not that I'm anti sugar. I just feel like I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna get a migraine.
Speaker 1: Would you rather have beer or milk poured on you? Oh?
Speaker 2: That's a good question both same time.
Speaker 1: At the same time. If you want to party, all right,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. You know you're old enough
Speaker 1: to know, like Lavelle was like twenty one and two
Speaker 1: against Utah. Right now, there's a generation under Kyle of
Speaker 1: Utah football dominance over BYU. It's a full generation.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about like your son's age, where they like
Speaker 2: just showed up and they're like, oh, we're gonna win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. And when I was growing up,
Speaker 1: he was the exact opposite. If the games were close,
Speaker 1: it was a miracle. Utah very rarely won those games.
Speaker 1: And for you fans of a certain age, namely mine
Speaker 1: and maybe a little bit older, there's kind of this
Speaker 1: permeating nervousness that the pendulum is shaking beneath their feet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because look, if you were a diehard youth fan, the
Speaker 1: Lavelle years were painful. You never won, you never had
Speaker 1: a chance. Oftentimes you were insignificant. And then Ronnie Mack
Speaker 1: takes over and evens the playing field a bit. And
Speaker 1: then since Urban and Kyle, it's been all Utah. Do
Speaker 1: you think we're seeing the beginning of a moment. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be hyperbolic or a prisoner of the moment,
Speaker 1: but could this be the start of the next BYU generation?
Speaker 2: I would have to see BYU put together a few
Speaker 2: really good seasons in a row. I mean, I think
Speaker 2: like Colonne and his staff have had a couple of
Speaker 2: good seasons and then a bad season, A couple of
Speaker 2: good seasons and then a bad season. We'll see how
Speaker 2: this finishes, and we'll see how they look next year.
Speaker 2: You're talking about a lot of mitigating factors involved in this, too,
Speaker 2: like the fact that BYU went independent and basically could
Speaker 2: not recruit to the same level as their art rival.
Speaker 2: You're talking about moving from one head coach that wasn't
Speaker 2: very widely liked in Bronco Mendenhall to a guy that
Speaker 2: has very widely liked in Kaloni Saitaki. And you're talking
Speaker 2: about the ultimate equalizer. Was the guy who's coaching Utah
Speaker 2: used to play at BYU played for a little Bell
Speaker 2: said no, it was Alma mater and really likes beating them.
Speaker 2: So like Utah going to the PAC twelve and BYU
Speaker 2: going independent, I mean this that topic has been you know,
Speaker 2: relitigated ad nauseum for decades on local radio. But I'll
Speaker 2: have to see BYU string together a couple good seasons
Speaker 2: in a row and simultaneously see if Utah doesn't fall
Speaker 2: off the map. But if they're going seven and five,
Speaker 2: six and six, the way they were early on in
Speaker 2: the PAC twelve, then we can have that conversation.
Speaker 1: Coach Wit retires, Kilani has a rough couple of years. Uh, no,
Speaker 1: excuse me, Morgan has a rough couple of years. Utah
Speaker 1: hires Kilani, and by U talks coach Wit out of retirement.
Speaker 1: See what I did. That's called sports radio black magic
Speaker 1: right there.
Speaker 2: I mean that my wife like teases men in general
Speaker 2: by saying, like, you can't be mad at people for
Speaker 2: liking reality TV because sports is the ultimate like version
Speaker 2: of drama and reality TV. With the fact that you're
Speaker 2: that's even thrown out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, without the negative influences.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's no negative influences in sports.
Speaker 1: There's a few, but it's not permeating throughout society and culture. No.
Speaker 1: I've always said, and you know, like old school WWE wrestling,
Speaker 1: that is the soap operas for men. Oh absolutely, did
Speaker 1: you watch the Vincement mcmandals even started it.
Speaker 2: I need to.
Speaker 1: It's pretty compelling. That's one thing I can actually tell
Speaker 1: you they did. Okay, that's one thing I can tell
Speaker 1: you to watch that you haven't watched yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's that's good. I want I want to
Speaker 2: watch it because I'm sure they went to Stone Ranch.
Speaker 1: They did, they did. It's right. What else you got
Speaker 1: for me as far as what I can watch right now? Nothing?
Speaker 2: Nothing good man. Honestly, we are not watching any new shows.
Speaker 1: Lose Clues and is that still a thing for the kids.
Speaker 2: Lose Clues?
Speaker 1: No, too bad? Yeah, all right man, great to see. Okay, great,
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