Speaker 1: And that's why I never read the comment.
Speaker 2: I just want to like, I'm not even gonna look
amazing tonight.
Speaker 3: I love what you're wearing.
Speaker 1: Always say, oh my god, we're all I have an
angry clownish life.
Speaker 4: But that's hard, like unless it's like an NBA team
or something like.
Speaker 1: WHOA, Hello, everybody.
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or you can use Google if it's not obvious. Today's
guest is someone who's lived multiple eras of the adult
industry and lived to tell the tale. She started young,
grew up on camera, and is now navigating a rare
transition that not a lot of performers get to experience,
evolving aging, redefining herself in real time, from shifting fan
bases to wild off the grid adventures and stepping into
something entirely new. Her stories about growth reinvention and staying
honest while everything is still on display. Please welcome one
of my truly favorite people in this industry, Alena Lopez.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Holly. I'm so happy to be here.
Speaker 3: I was trying to remember when we did our last one,
because it was like during COVID No.
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't. You came to my studio.
Speaker 5: It was the old studio in Koreatown and you were
actually I remember, I think you didn't know it was
on camera.
Speaker 3: I didn't know because I showed up with no makeup.
Speaker 1: You had no makeup on, and you were on your
way to a Vixen event.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they were probably going to do a makeup
You were going.
Speaker 5: To get your makeup done, and then you were like, yeah,
well fuck it. I mean you're beautiful either, well.
Speaker 3: Thank you, and today I'm wearing makeup from last night.
So I promise the next time we have you on,
I have a proper gland.
Speaker 4: I'm done.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold you to that.
Speaker 3: How long have you been in the industry now? Eight years?
I started in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 5: Wow, Because I'm like reading this story that I definitely
wrote by myself, and I'm like, God is she like,
has it been that long?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy, I know.
Speaker 3: Because you were nineteen when you started in the ent,
I was twenty two when I started.
Speaker 1: You were twenty two, okay, and now you're thirty or
almost thirty thirty. Yep, I turned thirty thirty.
Speaker 4: It was really exciting.
Speaker 3: I like feel lucky to be here, and like aging
is a privilege. I'm not afraid of it. But yeah,
I imporn. It's an interesting journey. Yeah, it used to
be a death sentence.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, like I mean, now milvs is like
the number one, like one of the most top googled searches,
but it used to literally be like back when I started,
it was like you were twenty eight, and it was like, ooh,
she's getting to the end of the line.
Speaker 4: I think people have.
Speaker 3: Always liked mel it's just become like more socially acceptable
to life to be open about liking milks, because who
doesn't Who doesn't like mils?
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, come.
Speaker 5: On, everybody seems to like trace it back to like
American pie and like Stifflers.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's like where it came from.
Speaker 3: I can't speak for the guys, but I feel like
a lot of their first crushes probably were their friends' moms.
So yeah, yeah, So I think that there's something that,
whether they want to admit it or not, but that
they find sexy about a mature, intelligent woman.
Speaker 5: When did you start feeling like you were shifting into
like this new niche?
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm feeling it right now.
Speaker 3: When I turned thirty, especially, I've course got those comments
like okay, I'm unfollowing you now, blah blah blah, like
they have to make sure, you know, it's so silly
when they want to like make a point.
Speaker 1: To live you because you turned thirty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even though it's like I look the same as
I did yesterday. You know, maybe I don't look the
same as when I first started in this job, but yeah,
just the mere fact that I turned thirty, it's just just.
Speaker 1: So wild to me.
Speaker 5: Like when people comment about aging online and they're like, oh,
you're like.
Speaker 1: What you know what happens when time passed?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Right, yeah, or they get mad at you, like
they're like, oh, you don't look like you did when
you first started. I'm like, well, yeah, I was twenty
two then, I'm a thirty year old woman now. But
at the same time I'm experiencing, like, you know, those
those guys leaving, which is fine. I don't want them
here anyways, if that's the way they're going to be
speaking to me. But then I'm starting to gain this
new audience of their like they were waiting for me
to grow.
Speaker 5: Yeah health now yeah wow. So how are like the
two fan bases different.
Speaker 3: I mean, like I said, I'm still kind of like
learning it and getting to experience those kinds of comments
and those kinds of fans.
Speaker 4: But so far it's been really positive.
Speaker 3: And you know, like when I got my boobs done,
I lost a lot of fans because they made me
look more mature and made me look older and.
Speaker 4: I think sexier.
Speaker 3: And there was a lot of guys who who liked
that and supported it, and I found them to be,
I would say, a little bit kinder even than the
fans who are going out who liked teen girls. But
I feel like the guys who maybe exclusively like teen
girls are a certain kind of guy anyway, is so right? Yeah,
I don't think that they're as kind. For some reason,
those two things go hand in hand.
Speaker 5: I suppose one could argue that someone who's attracted to
like the teen genre is looking to be like the
dominant one in the relationship and is maybe maybe there's
a sense of like vulnerability about the girl or you know,
like she's still learning and she's malleable, yeah in some way.
Speaker 1: And then the mouth is like the.
Speaker 5: Opposite, Yeah right, like I will teach you, you know how.
Speaker 3: You're outwardly confident and intelligent and all those things.
Speaker 4: So that's a turn off to them. So it's fun.
I don't want those guys anyways.
Speaker 5: How do you see yourself now like versus I mean,
we know we've heard like what some of the fans think,
go fuck yourselves beautiful, but like, how are you accepting
like aging and how are you feeling about it?
Speaker 3: I feel great. I am closing on a house next week.
I feel like very grown up. I mean I've already
had a house before, but like this, I'm just doing
grown up things and I'm being a big girl and
it feels good. And I wish I could like go
back and tell my younger self that that growing up
is gonna be okay, And it has been, so I'm
happy with it.
Speaker 1: For me.
Speaker 5: There's a little exception in here because I stopped drinking
at twenty eight, Like my twenties was just like fueled.
Speaker 3: All the way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but my thirties were like significantly better than my twenties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been It's I mean, I've only been thirty
since September. So how many months is that?
Speaker 1: I forgot? You and I have like birthdays like two
days apart.
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm September six. When is yours?
Speaker 1: I'm September fifth?
Speaker 3: Okay, one day apart.
Speaker 1: That's what it was. I remembered where birthdays are super close.
Speaker 4: Okay, you just turned thirty two?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just turned three.
Speaker 5: I don't like no, great, No, I'm forty seven, hot, crazy,
I'm going to be fifty soon.
Speaker 1: Let's go, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean and also, like my forties have been different
than my thirties, and in a good way.
Speaker 3: What's been different about your forties versus your thirties?
Speaker 5: I mean, well, I want I want you to tell
me what I need, what I have to look forward to.
I mean, you and I started on this journey at
different times, though. I mean for me, it's like becoming
a mom, right, Like that's that was like a huge
part of what maybe my forties different because I had
my daughter at forty one, which is wild, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I would say that that's a that's a big
part of it.
Speaker 5: But also like you know, just like growing and you know,
like starting other businesses. I've been it's been like a
wild kind of up and down ride these last couple
of years.
Speaker 1: You know, I.
Speaker 5: Dropped everything to like work on a startup that did
not survive. So now like I've started a marketing agency and.
Speaker 4: Get you go damn.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, you're you're doing things, and that's
I can't get myself to like to think outside of
the box like that. So I'm impressed that you're able
to do that, even like just having the nerve to
start like branch out to something like that.
Speaker 1: Thank you cool.
Speaker 5: I will say, though, like honestly, a lot of it
is you know, like I've met amazing people and I've
you know, partnered with them, and they've like pushed me to,
you know, go do other things. I have recognizing my
self worth and that's I think a big part of it.
And I think also as you get older, you kind
of settle into and you know, you start to know
like who's the right people to have in your life?
Speaker 3: For sure, I have I have learned that lesson. Like
I feel like actually over the last year, like the
last year of my twenties was a lot of friendship
like development and changes and you know, you lose some friends,
you gain some friends. But yeah, that's been a big
part of growing up too.
Speaker 5: And I think and also like recognizing how you can
be confronted with really really hard situations life. And like
twenty twenty five was a horrible year for me and
other for other reasons. And you know, like if you
had told me, like this thing is going to happen
to you in twenty twenty five, I would have been like,
there's no way I could manage that, but like it happened,
and like the fuck I did, Like I walked through it.
Speaker 1: You know, handle it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's just like I think that we're not
aware of how much we're capable of until like we're.
Speaker 4: Facebook sure for sure.
Speaker 3: I've had tho similar experiences too, and it's both like
terrifying but also reassuring to know that we can do
hard things.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we can walk through fire and like come out
on the other side. Okay, so let's talk about some
of your more adventurous stuff. I saw that video on
your Twitter crazy and I was like, because I remember,
like I didn't you do a scene too, like repelling
down a mountain or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was two hundred feet in the air for
that one, like hanging from my harness having sex in
the air. Like just it was funny too because I
went all the way upside on. Have you ever been
rock climbing or anything like been in a harness like that?
You can hang?
Speaker 2: You can?
Speaker 1: You've never done that? Come on, I'm not, I'm not,
I'm no, it's.
Speaker 4: Not for you. Yeah, I'll take you some time when
you go to Utah next, okay.
Speaker 5: Yeah, fair, you know, bring a camera and record it
for yeah, and you can like exploit my am.
Speaker 3: Your virginity of yea, yeah perfect. But yeah, I feel
like I've kind of like unintentionally started branding myself as
an adventure creator. I do this kind of stuff in
my personal life all the time, and like that's kind
of what you do in Utah.
Speaker 4: You're just outside a lot.
Speaker 3: And I just started thinking like, oh, what if I
like filmed content while doing this stuff. And yeah, it's
so far it's been going well, but now like, well shit,
I have to keep one upping it the last one
I posted, the scuba diving one. People were talking about
that and the previous ones that I had done, and
they're like, so what do you do next? You go
to space? You going to I got so many comments
about going to space. I'm like, well, you I pay
for it. I'll go to space. It's not that cheap, okay.
Speaker 5: So to tell us about like the scuba diving adventure,
like how did that whole thing come about?
Speaker 1: What exactly happened?
Speaker 3: Well, I had planned this trip to Saint Lucia with
a bunch of my Utah friends, and I got scuba
certified right before going. Because it's because I have other
friends on the boat who were certified as well. I'm like,
I'm not missing out on that. And I actually drowned
in my certification. Of course, like I was drowning. It's
I was okay, obviously I'm here, but it was really scary,
and but it was like, okay, I have to be
careful down there. And then so of course I'm like, oh,
let's have sex down there.
Speaker 4: Who cares if we drowned?
Speaker 3: But yeah, I wasn't sure because I was like, how
can we? It was so clear and that the light
was actually shining down well that like while I was
down there, I'm like, this would be sick to shoot
a scene out in here. So thankfully my friends are
just as crazy as I am. And yeah, I worked out.
I was like sitting up on the boat with my
legs back because I wasn't sure how it would be
in the salt water too for penetration. So I'm sitting
on the boat with my legs back just like pouring
silicon lube into my pussy, like just filling it and
it worked like and then like just keggling to hold
it in there.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it totally worked.
Speaker 5: You think about like these kind of like romantic scenes
like sex and a big bathtub or the jacuzzi or
like on the beach, and they're actually like water is
not great for sex.
Speaker 3: It's not, especially salt water. Yeah, so yeah, we but
like I said, the silicon lube really worked because the
water base would have just dissolved.
Speaker 1: So there you go.
Speaker 5: If you want to have sex underwater, you use it.
Is how many of you were down there.
Speaker 3: I have a friend and a married couple who had
come down with me and our other friend.
Speaker 4: The guy who I was having sex.
Speaker 3: With and they are our married friends were filming us,
and like, you know, we all knew the plan and
we get down there. We had talked about it on
the surface because you can't communicate once you're down there.
So they're filming and it ended like the scene was
good and it actually felt good and it was not
too hard to move around, and I could see my
friends there. Like the girl that was filming, she like
started touching herself while she's filming us, and then I
look over, I'm like and we're I'm like, okay, we're done.
We got what we needed. And I just went over
to her and I was like giving her a hug underwater,
and like I just started touching her to him. We
all ended up having like an orgy underwater. So but
that part wasn't filmed because these other people aren't performers too.
But it was funny because like we can't really talk.
It just we all just kind of got together and
just were like, let's keep going, Oh my god, like
we can't let you have all the fun.
Speaker 1: So that is wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just an underwater orgy casually on it.
Speaker 5: Yeah and say, I mean, yeah, that's that's the life
of Alena Lopez casual underwater orgy.
Speaker 4: We actually did record it. I didn't post it, but
I can you.
Speaker 1: Have it first?
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, okay, because I am very curious to see. Okay, So,
how important is penisized to you?
Speaker 3: It's not important at all to me. I get that
like question all the time. I'm not a size queen.
Is that a turn off for them to hear that
I'm not a size queen? I hope not, But I
know it sounds super to say it's oh, it's about
how you use it, but it really is. But I
mean I tell people like I like having sex with women,
and they don't even have a penis, so it's like
we don't. We don't even need one to make it good.
It's like, you use what tools you have to make.
Speaker 1: It good, so you could go for an average one.
Speaker 3: In fact, I'm going to choose between being a little
bit too small or a little bit too big. I'd
pick a little bit too small. I just think it's easier.
I've been injured by a big penis before, so I'm
happier with the smaller ones.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Guys care more about penis size than girls do, for sure.
Speaker 1: They use it as like a measure of their masculinity.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean even when they're watching porn, they want
to watch porn that has a guy with a big dick,
whereas like girls, if they're watching porn, they're not going
to be searching that up like guys are searching for
big dicks. So you guys are the size queens, not us.
Speaker 5: You know, it's funny that you say that, because you know,
my audience is like ninety six percent men that watch
this podcast, and normally male performers on this show, like,
don't the numbers don't perform as well because guys are
mostly interested in hearing from the ladies. But the two
guys that have absolutely fucking killed aster, Yeah, he's so
great and small hands no dread really yes?
Speaker 3: Oh well okay that makes it because huge because huge
dicks people are like the guy they're like, they're both
very kind and funny too, so that yeah, yes, but
also being kind of funny and having a giant dick, Yeah,
a man's dream.
Speaker 5: And then what about just like general sex advice for men,
Like that's another question I get asked a lot.
Speaker 4: Like four play starts.
Speaker 3: When you wake up, you have to start being a
gentleman and warming her up literally from the minute you
wake up and having a good attitude. The sex will
be so much better that night if you're being a
gentleman to her all day.
Speaker 1: I love that. We we've talked about this before. We're
like four.
Speaker 5: Play doesn't necessarily have to mean like kissing and touching
and stuff.
Speaker 1: It can be.
Speaker 3: It's just like intimacy. Yeah, that intimacy doesn't It doesn't
always have to be physical. Yeah, Like, you know, are
you making sure she's she's eight that day? Maybe take
her shopping, you know, do all the things and sexually
good that night.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 5: So you're about to reveal your entire personal life in
a mainstream project, is that right?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I got approached to do this project.
Speaker 3: I can't say too much about it, but it's been
in the works for almost a year now and still
probably got another six months before anything is public. Yeah,
I'm basically putting it all out there. Like I'm very
private about my personal life. I stay in Utah, you know,
I've never lived in La full time. So this is
going to be a big, big thing. So keep an
eye out.
Speaker 5: What made you decide that this was like the time
to do it, Like, what about the project made you
feel like comfortable for it.
Speaker 3: I just feel like I've been in the industry for
long enough that I have a better understanding of like
how it affects my life, and I felt confident to
like make a decision to cross that over a little
bit with my personal life because I feel like I'm
becoming more myself even in the industry. Yeah, it just
makes sense timing wise to kind of merge my two
lives together because I love this part of my life
and I love this part of my life, but they've
always been so separate, So this just seems like a
cool opportunity to kind of like branch those together and
see what happens.
Speaker 5: And is there anything that you're nervous about people seeing everything?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we all have our personal lives and for a
lot of reasons like safety and privacy and all that.
But I want to be able to show the world
that I'm a normal human and have a normal life
and do normal things that you know, people aren't aware of.
And it doesn't seem that groundbreaking, but it is in
our industry to be showing so much of our personal lives.
But I think it's it's scary because I know I'm
just going to get torn apart because that's just what
people like to do with a porn stars no matter what.
But I'm hoping that it kind of that this project
will be something that helps humanize us more to the
public eye just by seeing me, you know, innerc with
my neighbors and go to the grocery store.
Speaker 4: And you know, do normal things.
Speaker 3: Like I said, it doesn't seem like it should be
that groundbreaking, but I'm hoping that it kind of gives
people a peek behind the curtain into showing that we're
just normal people too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree. So what does success look like for
you in this next phase? Is it financial, emotional, creative?
Speaker 3: To me, if I feel like success is just peace,
just having peace and stability. I've never cared that much
about money. I've never been that like financially motivated. I
need it to pay my bills and you know, travel
so that I can go have sex underwater. But to me,
true success is just being happy. And I didn't really
realize that also until this over this last year, that
that's what success is, right And yeah, I'm getting there.
I mean I am happy, but the peace and the
stability are mostly there, but there's still more work to
be done to to make that happen to the degree
that I wanted to.
Speaker 4: I feel like happened.
Speaker 5: Probably always it's a journey, right, Yeah, Yeah, we're always
like striving.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I didn't realize how far I was away
from that until this last year. I feel like a
lot of self awareness has has stared.
Speaker 1: It was like a heavy year for you, Yeah in
a good way. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, some hard stuff, a lot of good stuff. Yeah,
certainly a year of personal development.
Speaker 5: Crazy, Like almost everyone I've talked to said that twenty
twenty five was like either like the worst year for
them or like definitely a year of growth. If you
could talk to your eighteen year old self right now,
what would you tell her about aging, about success, and
about staying power to.
Speaker 3: Keep more things to myself? You know, not everyone has
to You don't have to have an opinion on everything.
Not everyone has to know everything about your what you're
up to every day. I've always been like very outwardly expressive,
and I find the more I keep that energy in word,
the happier I feel. You know how, I had a
family of said kids and stuff, so I feel like
I was always having to like do things like work
really hard to get attention, and that kind of behavior
has like transferred over to my adult life. It was
almost like a survival mode type of thing where I
just felt like I needed to act a certain way
and say and do a lot of dumb shit at
that age, where yeah, now I'm just focusing a lot
more about keeping my energy inwards. So but I mean
she needed to go through that, so.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, we all have to
have those experiences to otherwise we never learn and grow. Okay,
So I have some questions from my Patreon members for you.
We normally did this in a separate segment, but we're
a little tight on time for these episodes, so I'm
just throwing them into the main episode, so everybody can
get to hear them. But you can only send me
the questions if you're a member of my Patreon. So
just fyh, I'm excited to hear. Not everyone gets to
ask Lena Lopez quest other questions for me. Yeah okay,
oh yeah, no, no one cares about me.
Speaker 4: That is not true.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 5: So the first question is from Jeremy. He says, is
there any scene or fantasy. You haven't filmed yet that
you would like to anal? You haven't done an Yeah,
I know, right, You've survived eight years in the industry
and you haven't done anything.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 4: I'm working on it though, training for it.
Speaker 5: Okay, Is it because you wanted to like ease into
it or make sure that you like it?
Speaker 1: Sounds like it's not something that you do a lot
in your personal life.
Speaker 4: I do do it a lot in my personal life.
Speaker 3: I love anals, so yeah, it makes sense that I
have would have shot it by now. But yeah, the
stars haven't aligned right quite yet.
Speaker 1: But we're working on it, looking for a good opportunity.
Speaker 2: Got it.
Speaker 1: Second question, is there anyone in the industry that you haven't.
Speaker 5: Worked with yet that you would really love to I
met there's a new speaker girl that's really cute that
I met at XPIZ on Sunday.
Speaker 3: She looks Latina, she's younger.
Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, I can just literally pull up yeah
right now.
Speaker 4: She's gorgeous and she was so nice, So I would
love to work with her.
Speaker 3: I haven't looked at a site and forebber No, she's
not on here, but I know he's not he's not
putting every girl on the site right now.
Speaker 1: I love Mark so much, but we ever redesigned your website?
Speaker 3: He won't, he refuses. We talked about this. We talked
about this in the first podcast. Say it looks like
it's nostalgic. It's like og pornett agent website.
Speaker 5: It really is, ma'am. Well that's him, that's Bigler, that
is Bigler. Okay, so it's her that what we don't
already a hot new Latina Spiegler girl. Okay, got it
all right. Next question is from a'man Hi Holly and Alina.
A huge fan of both of your work. Do either
of you watch football or, as they say in the US,
soccer and if so, are you going to watch any
of the matches live?
Speaker 3: I grew up in a family of women, so no, no, okay,
we we did sports, but it was always like gymnastic, stance, cheer,
not ever any ball sports.
Speaker 4: Okay, So I'm just just not really into watching sports.
Speaker 1: Sorry.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're not really into sports either. But my daughter
is doing soccer. Oh fine, but she's also doing gymnastics
and dance. Nice, nice, keeping up pretty busy, but she's
gotten really good. Actually, my husband coach.
Speaker 1: She's five. Oh, so big, it's crazy.
Speaker 4: I want to see.
Speaker 1: But my husband also coaches her soccer team. Cute, really cute. Yeah,
they all love him.
Speaker 4: Oh I love that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a really good soccer coach. Okay, and then
the last question was from Dave, who's like, I'm confused,
where do we watch these videos live? They are not
live because the hotel WiFi is very very bad and
we can't stream.
Speaker 4: These lives, so I would be nervous live anyways.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well you can also tell this is a big
mishmash of me, like like stopping and starting, but it's
going to be edited together to be.
Speaker 4: That's not true. You only did that once here, so
you flow so nicely.
Speaker 5: Thank you all right, Well, Elena, thank you so much
for money. I'm excited to hear about this personal project.
Maybe when it comes out you can come back on
and talk more about it for sure. Yeah, okay, amazing.
Can you tell everyone where they can find you online?
Speaker 3: You can find me on Instagram at It's Helena Lopez
Official and on Twitter at It's Helena Lopez.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for watching, and I will
see you on the next one.
Speaker 5: Hey, guys, welcome back to round two of my AVN interviews.
Today's guest got banned for being a too mean, got
nominated for being too good, and proved that being Brady
actually pays meet Trinity Infinity.
Speaker 2: Hello, thank you so much for having me today.
Speaker 1: Of course, thank you so much for coming.
Speaker 5: I know, amid all the av and chaos, I know
that sometimes it's hard to make your way up here
on time.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm happy to be here, and this was definitely
a priority for me to be here today. So I'm
really happy to be here and share my story.
Speaker 1: Oh right, well let's get into it.
Speaker 5: So I guess let's talk about like how you got
into the adult industry in the first place, because you've
been very open about coming from generational poverty, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've made it kind of part of my mission
and I guess my brand to make it clear that
I grew up super poor. I have no safety net
of any kind. I was homeless for a while as
a teenager. So when I was eighteen, I was working
at a halloween store and I had a coworker who
she came in one day with her wife and then
I was like, okay, cool, whatever, And then the next day,
it was her girlfriend, and I was like, okay, what's
going on here, tell me of the situation. So we
went to lunch. She introduced me to fat life. Okay,
So then that kind of like sparked my curiosity and
like the whole like world of fetish and cank. I've
always been the kind of person to march to the
beat of my own drum and do what I want.
So then I dipped my toes a little bit into
fetish modeling and camming. That didn't really pan.
Speaker 4: Out so well.
Speaker 2: I fell in love briefly with someone who was not
okay with this kind of work. So I was like, Okay,
I'm gonna do good things. I'm gonna get a real job. Exactly,
get a real job. I hated every minute of it,
and I did lots of real jobs. I worked in
every kind of service industry basically you can think of
fast food, housekeeping. I worked in childcare, and I just
I never felt happy. I never enjoyed it. So I'm
in Portland, Oregon, I'm living with six roommates, I am
in debt, I have no car, and I am still
thinking about a little bit of like sex work that
I had dabbled with. But I'm working as a housekeeper,
trying to still kind of do the right thing, and
then I'm like phone sex. I come across a night
flirt and I'm like, well, this is interesting. It's not
like the one eight hundred and one nine hundreds from
like the nineties, Like I can kind of do my
own thing here. So I kind of jumped in with
that first. I dabbled with it for a while, just
on and off, and then I realized I was like,
I don't want to keep doing housekeeping.
Speaker 1: I hate this. It's not for me.
Speaker 2: And I just walked out of that housekeeping job. And
then I decided that this needs to work for me.
And uh, that'll be eight years this July, and wow
that led to all of this. Wow.
Speaker 5: So you started off as a phone sex operator. Now
you mentioned that you know, it was different than like
the you know what we remember from the manyties and like,
actually we used to sell photos to those phone sex adds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that world very well.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: What do you think would surprise people most about phone
sex work in twenty twenty five, Because I feel like
people don't even think that this exists anymore. Right with
all the capabilities of seeing people and camming and all
these other platforms. Like I think that most people think
think that like phone sex is like an archaic, outdated,
unused medium, but that sounds wrong.
Speaker 1: It absolutely is.
Speaker 2: I would say it's actually highly underappreciated nowadays because of
the fact that we have so much visual stimulation all
the time, just constant, like camming this clips that the
amount of times that I have fans or customers or
callers who enjoy just talking to me, whether it's something
sexual or not, like we're just having regular conversations, I
think that's very underappreciated nowadays. And I also think it
helps that a lot of my callers are older, Like
a lot of older people still don't really want to
just be on FaceTime all the time. They don't want to,
you know, be sharing pictures all the time. It's comfortable
for them to pick up a phone and talk to somebody.
And I'm a yapper, so it comes naturally for me
to you know, talk and talk and talk, and so
I was like, oh, I can get paid per the
minute to talk. This is perfect for me. I'll never
shut the fuck up, and people, if someone lets me
ramble on, I will yeap, Yeah, yeah forever. So it
really it works out nicely for me. And I think
that a lot of people really take for granted the
power of your voice.
Speaker 5: Yeah, how much emotional intelligence do you think phone sex
operating takes right because you, on one hand, yes, like
it might be easier, but also like you're lacking other
tools to get somebody excited or engaged.
Speaker 1: Really is just your voice?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that it definitely takes a lot
of emotional intelligence. I would say it takes a lot
of literacy, to be honest. I was a big reader
when I was a kid, so I have a pretty
colorful vocabulary. I would like to think of myself as
being witty and on the spot. So you have to
be able to kind of like be on the fly.
I know a lot of phone sex operators use scripts.
I've never used a script. I can't use scripts. I
feel clunky and not natural when I'm using them. I'm like,
I feel like I'm reading from a script. Whenever I'm
on the phone, everything comes out of my brain just
on this fly. And you know, every once in a
while you're gonna flub, and every once in a while
you might have a phone call where you're like, oh,
that wasn't the best. But generally speaking, I think it
does require a lot of emotional intelligence because you have
to be able to pick up on what the other
person wants, even if they're not telling you anything. Which
is crazy that there's people who will call phone sex
operators and they don't talk. Yeah, I'm like, uh, well, okay,
I can do all the talking here. You're gonna have
to start giving me some cues about what you want.
But so you have to sometimes be a little bit
of a mind reader too, Yeah, which has gotta be
hard across like a phone line. Yeah, sometimes you can
get visual cues from people, but on the phone not
at all. No, I feel like I'm playing Miss Cleo sometimes.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's gonna be so many people.
Speaker 5: Actually, my my audience is a SCW is a little
bit older, but there's gonna be a lot of people watching.
Speaker 1: It's gonna who the fuck is Miss Cleo.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to look that up later and find out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 5: Okay, so you're doing phone sex operating and then where
did you move into from there?
Speaker 2: So, because I was using my own pictures with phone
sex operating, it all happened as like a natural progression.
I started having my callers who would request custom content
they would want to see, like custom pictures of me,
eventually custom videos. Even though I had started off a
little bit with camming because I had gotten so comfortable
being behind the phone, the idea of camming again actually
became intimidating to me because I got so used to
having like all of the control and a little bit
of the anonymity and mystery of being behind the phone.
So then I started doing faceless camming a little bit
that happened after I moved out of my roommate situation.
Once I had saved up enough money to move out
of like the six roommate situation, I got my own
place and I was like, Okay, now I can do
more on my own with this job. I'm not having
to navigate around all those people. So I started doing
face with camming. And then I had a couple fans
who were really interested in watching me hit my bong,
and I was like, well, yeah, I'm down to smokeweed
on camera for you. That's easy for me. And then
that just kind of led to all of this. Now
I'm you know, here in Las Vegas, and I just
do everything still. I do phone sex custom content is
really like the bulk of what I also do nowadays.
I really enjoy making my fans weird fantasies come to life,
Like that's one of my favorite things in the world.
Speaker 1: What's one of the strangest requests you've gotten?
Speaker 3: What I mean?
Speaker 2: I kind of specialize in strange so it's hard to
like pick just one. I did a breast expansion custom
that was so much fun. It started off with me
working out in a gym because the whole premise was
like I'm I'm working out and I'm taking this like
protein drink that's gonna help me bulk up, and then
I'm taking a nap and oh gosh, well I'm sleeping.
All of a sudden my breast just balloon to these giant, huge, ridiculous,
comical things And it was so much fun and just
so playful. So I love doing that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: How did you make that work? Like logistically? Because you
had to like movie magic, like, like did you have
like prosthetic?
Speaker 2: So I used balloons? Oh okay, And truthfully speaking to like,
I'm a huge centiphile at heart, Like I love movies,
so I was trying to get creative with us, and
I was thinking about it. I was like, how the
fuck am I going to do this? I blew them
up first, and then I deflated them, and then I
played it backwards.
Speaker 1: Oh smart.
Speaker 2: So it was a little bit of camera trickery, but
it worked so perfectly and seamlessly, and it was just
it's so much fun.
Speaker 1: You can tell.
Speaker 2: I'm just having the most ridiculous time with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Any others, I've done a lot of Giantess stuff, I
haven't won popular. I have one regular, though, specifically who
he likes to think about me tormenting the military. So
I get really really big and then I start messing
around with each branch of the military until it usually
leads to me messing with the Pentagon and then finally
just wiping out the whole US like some giantis terrorists.
And it's fucking hilarious and fun every single time, and
I just again get really silly and playful with it.
My most strange request that I've had so far that
I really enjoyed, though, was my gold fingered custom that
I did last year. I had a fan who wanted
me to do an homage to the James Bond movie Goldfinger.
I come across this pen that I got gifted by
a random suitor, and for some reason, it possesses me
to masturbate, And as I masturbate, I turned completely gold
from head to toe, just painted. And then I mailed
him the pen afterwards, so he have that. I was
like a little souvenir. And part of the custom was
his request too, was he actually wanted to see like
the before and after too, So I did this whole
very cinematic like clip of the gold Finger homage, and
then there's the process of me getting painted and then
me washing it all off.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 5: See when people say, like sex work is easy, you
haven't done like a head to toe painted gold customs.
Speaker 2: No. And I had to get creative with that too
because I was just thinking. I was like, how am
I going to do this? And I got like gold
eyelashes and gold nails, I got gold bed sheets like
I was. It was gold all over the place for
a while. And there's a lot of laundry to be
done after that too, But it was fun and it
was so worth it. I love the end result, and
that ended up being my best seller last year too.
When I put it up for sale on Clips for Sale,
it was just popping off left and right. Everybody loved
it and ate it up.
Speaker 5: Isn't that great when like one person's like seems like
kind of strange and unique fantasy ends up being something
that like a whole bunch of other people are into.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was so thrilled with that. Every day when
I would see itself, I was just like, oh my god,
another person bought gold bangerd Oh my god, another person
wanted to see that. I love it because it's such
a weird, niche concept, and that's one of the things
that I love to do. I mean, nowadays you can
go on any tube site and just see everything, and
I want to try to be the person that finds
the thing that you can't see.
Speaker 1: It's like, what's that.
Speaker 2: Really weird, fucked up, creative, bizarre thing that's been floating
around in your brain? I want to make that come
to life.
Speaker 5: So you've built a career without a massive social following,
is that right? And that's something that people you know
often think like requires success, which is true, like in
some cases, depending on the platforms that you're using. So
how how are you able to be successful without that?
Speaker 2: I work a lot. I mean, first of all, I'm
a twenty four to seven girl. I do hustle. I
focus really on trying to find platforms that have internal
traffic because truthfully speaks in my experience, I don't love
catering to the masses. I'm not a social media person naturally.
I never really had like Snapchat or Instagram or any
of that kind of stuff before sex work, and I
kind of test it sometimes to be honest.
Speaker 1: Well, it's just frustrating, like how biased they are against.
Speaker 2: Us, Oh, how biased they are against us, And like
I would rather just be like buy my porn. I
don't want to have to do TikTok dances and stuff.
I feel so silly and cringe doing that kind of shit.
Like I can get naked and put weird things in
my holes on camera, no problem, but then you see
me taking a selfie and public and I want to die.
Speaker 5: I'm so say I wish like I'm not good at that,
Like I've done like no social media since I've been here.
Speaker 1: I'm so bad.
Speaker 2: I have to keep reminding myself every damnit.
Speaker 1: Did I take pictures for like socials?
Speaker 4: I hate it?
Speaker 2: So it's like such an idiot me too, And I
joke that it's just like I feel like such a
boomer sometimes compared to people my age, because I'm like,
I don't know how to do this stuff. So for me,
like I never found great success with trying to like
build up a giant social media following and find and
convince people to buy my porn or call me. I
would rather than be on a site where they've put
their credit card and they know what they're there to do,
Like they know they're there to spend, they know that
they're horny, they know what this is, and it's a
lot easier to market to people like that. So like
focusing on sites for me originally, like I said, night
Flair was one of them. Now I do a lot
on loyal Fans. When I first joined Loyal Fans, my
following was like dismal, and then after putting in like
a solid year's worth of work, I went from like
three hundred followers to over ten thousand on there. And
it does help in terms of like I do have
more people to sell to, But what really keeps me
going is my consistent stable of regulars I have I
would say like a good dozen or so that pop
in and out that I've built long lasting connections with
that they know they're not gonna just find anywhere else.
Like we've built a relationship of sorts where I know
their kinks, I know they're fetishes. I often know their
birthdays and all kinds of things about them. So it
makes it feel a lot more like intimate than just
being like, okay, you can. You can't subscribe to my
loyal fans for ten dollars and not talk to me
at all and see what content I put up there.
But if you want to have like a lasting, meaningful
connection with like a creator, that's that's what I shoot for.
So that's how I've managed to build success without having
like one hundred thousand followers or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Now you are you're a dom, right like? You do
mostly like that Braddy kind of dom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I consider myself a Brady dom. I also
do solo play and like fetish stuff and some boy
girl stuff too, but generally speaking, I like to to
stay in the domination realm.
Speaker 5: So how do you manage like consent with degradation? Like,
if somebody wants to be humiliated, do you have to
like kind of ask them where their boundaries lie before
you get into all of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it can get tough too, because unfortunately, I
feel like a lot of guys are not genuinely submissive.
I think a lot of them are fetishists or guys
with porn brain who have watched a lot of kinky
porn and so they're like, oh, like I want you
to dominate me, and I'm like, okay, well, what the
fuck do is that? Like you have to be more specific.
There's lots of ways I can do that. So I
definitely try to have like consent talks with all of
like my people I interact with. Again, sometimes it's hard
to because some guys will say I want you to
be really mean, and I'm like, okay, well how mean?
Like how fucking mean? Like I need to know because
I will get really cut through and say some shit
that will probably surprise you. So I definitely find people's limits,
but I always let them know too, to tell me,
Like I'm like, I would rather you tell me and
let me know that I found a limit than just
like run away like a scared little puppy dog and
never come back.
Speaker 1: So where do you think the line is between like
fantasy cruelty and like real.
Speaker 2: Harm, I would say, when again, like it leads to
them actually not enjoying the experience, Like I don't want
someone to ever like be like Okay, that was that
was too far, that that hurt. And it's like because
I'm not actually trying to cause like harm, Like I
might want to hurt you, but I don't want to
harm you. You want to hurt the people that like
the pain, yes, or whether it's emotional or physical. I'm
not trying to like just do that to anybody, which
is also why some guys get kind of confused that,
like my initial approach isn't to just be like fuck
you pay me or like get on your knees and
start like worshiping me. I'm usually just very much like hey,
what are you into? And they're like, why are you
being so nice? I'm like, well, because if I start
off being way too fucking mean, it can go bad.
So I have to kind of like test out the
waters and see it's like what is it that you want?
Because some guys too just don't really like they think
that like cuckholding is humiliating or like sucking a dick
is humiliating, And to me, I'm like, that's not that
humiliate Okay, I'm not going to be that mean toy
about that, but some guys really want like to be berated,
and those are the ones where I have to be like,
how how far can I go? Like what do you
want me to like hit home with? And what's what's
off limits to you?
Speaker 1: You know, I really wish that there was. I was
actually we won't get into this because it was.
Speaker 5: A bad year, but I was building a platform and
we had specifically in there that when users signed up,
they they kind of wrote out I wrote out that
there was like a checklist of like specifically what they wanted,
so when they signed up to like your platform, you
would see it already. Yeah, and you never had to
have that conversation with them and break the fantasy. Yes,
you know, they they like when they sign up, they
supply all of that information like automatically in their profile. Yeah,
I'm not on like every platform. Does that exist on
any platforms? Anyone figured that out? That that's a good idea? Y.
Speaker 2: So I will say that on loyal fans fans are
allowed to have a bio on there, like they can
have their own little profile, and a lot of them
don't utilize it. Utilize it because I lurk on your
guys's profiles and I will see the ones who put
what their kinks and fetishes are, and I will DM
them directly and be like, we're a good fit. I
know what you're into. Let's play, let's have some fun.
It definitely makes it a lot easier. It makes it
a lot easier when they come right out of the
gate and they're like this is what I want, this
is what I don't want. I'm like, okay, yes, I
don't have to do a bunch of guessing work.
Speaker 1: I can just get into it and do my thing.
Speaker 2: But no, more platforms need to be able to like
they always think about our tags and thinking about the
way that they, like, you know, find us, but we
need to know what they're looking for too. Yes.
Speaker 5: Yes, And that was like a big thing behind, like
behind what we were building, and it was it was
actually like you had to kind of fill this out,
like you had to either like hit like non applicable
or whatever, or you had to and it was a checklist.
Speaker 1: So you don't have to think about what it was.
Speaker 5: Yeah, easy, and then like those tags would be associated
with your profile, and then you as a creator would
associate tags with your profile and then in the algorithm
that would match you up automatically, so you would find Well, that.
Speaker 2: Makes sense and rather have it just be a guessing
game and people playing roulette and helping for the best.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it was. We had some great ideas.
Speaker 5: Sadly some people that didn't help us bring it to light,
but that's fine.
Speaker 2: Not everything comes to fruition.
Speaker 1: That is absolutely true.
Speaker 5: I definitely believe that everything happens for a reason, and
I'm very happy in the place that I'm at right now.
So what advice would you give to someone starting sex
work in the same situation like you, with no privilege,
no platform, like no backup plan.
Speaker 2: Think about it like I mean it, like really think
about it, because I've accepted at this point in my
life that the chances of me ever doing anything outside
of this is unlikely. Like my out there, even though
I don't have a huge following and I don't expect
anyone to know me, I'm very humble in my presence
in this space. I have accepted that my face is
very much out there, and I've put myself all over
all kinds of different places and sights, so that if
I ever wanted to just be like I'm done, it's
not so easy to just be like I'm going to
disappear and hope that nobody ever finds whatever else I did.
So I think a lot of people really need to
think it through and that it's not just easy money,
Like it's not just easy money, and that it's going
to happen overnight, and that you're going to just like
wake up one day and blow up all of a sudden.
I worked like twelve fourteen, sixteen hour days, seven days
a week consistently. When I first started doing phone sex,
I sacrificed sleep. I lost all of my vanilla friendships
that I had left because people didn't understand how I
could be working from home and not willing to like
go out and do things like I was like, no,
I'm sorry, I'm not going to go out to the
bars with you and party because if I'm not home,
I'm not making money. And if I'm not making money
and I'm spending money, then that's not a good place
to be. I also think you have to be willing
to like save and be smart about your finances. It's
very tempting when you start seeing the bigger paychecks coming
in to be like pursa's shoes, like fancy things, and
that's not really great when like then things start to
take a dip or maybe you get burnt out and
you take some time off. So I think it's really
important to save and prioritize like what you want for yourself. Like,
I got a manifestation journal and I wrote down all
of my goals that I had when I started doing
phone sex, and I was going through stuff a few
years later before I was getting ready to move, and
I came across that journal and I was like, holy shit,
I accomplished every single fucking thing I wrote down within
a year. But it wasn't because I was just like
woo woo about it. I worked for it. I put
in like a lot of work and I sacrificed a lot,
and every step of the way, it's been like slowly
reinvesting into my business and reinvesting into myself. So when
I first started, I didn't have a lot of like
great makeup skills. I didn't like do a whole lot.
I just I worked with what I had, and every
step of the way, I'm like, Okay, now I'll spend
a little bit more on this. Now I'll spend a
little bit more on that, and then seeing the results.
So I think it's you have to be strategic and
not just be like I'm just gonna do this and
and hope that it works out, which is kind of
what I did. So don't do what I did, like,
really think about it and plan things through, because, uh,
it's a life or death kind of thing in the
sense that like you can't go back from this, Like
there's not like a oh well, that's a wrap. Like
so many times I've heard of stories of like women
doing porn and they're like I only did like one
or two scenes, and now it's like ruined it for
me to get other jobs. So so really think it through, like,
really really think it through.
Speaker 5: What does financial independence mean to someone who didn't grow
up with safety nets?
Speaker 2: Means I can pay my bills. When I was growing up,
I was always aware of bills, Like I was not
one of those kids that like was oblivious to money.
I remember like selling my toys to one of my
neighbors because I heard my parents talking about not having
gas money. Am I alcoholic? Fother so lovingly accepted that
money that I gave them to no shame. So financial
independence for me means that I can afford to live,
that I'm not breaking my back working minimum wage jobs,
not getting anywhere. It means that I can afford to
have my cat, who I love so much, and I
can give her the best life ever and spoil the
crap out of her. It means that despite things being
more expensive right now when it sucks, I'm not feeling
like the huge brunt of it and that I'm like,
oh no, I can't pay my bills all of a sudden,
Like I never thought I'd be like, Okay, I can
pay my bills. I can afford to take time off.
I can afford little luxuries that I never used to
be able to have. I mean, I'm going to see
a Golden Nights game this week, so fucking excited to
do that. That's something that would have been like out
of my means growing up. So it just means freedom.
It means freedom to be able to do what I want.
Speaker 5: It sounds like the life that you had as a child,
as hard as it was gave you like a sense
of gratitude that probably a lot of people don't have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am again, forever grateful for every bit of
success I have gotten from this job. I am grateful
for every nomination, every milestone I've achieved, every time I've
made a financial goal. I'm just like, holy crap, I
never thought I would have this level of stability and
or success in my life.
Speaker 5: Truthfully speaking, with all the nominations and the recognition, what
are you the I'm most proud of?
Speaker 1: That isn't an award?
Speaker 2: I would probably say my cat. To be honest, I
know it sounds so silly, but like I'm such a
huge animal lover like being able to like have her
because like I rescued her from southern California. I just
I saw Craigslist added this poor little four week old
kitten with a goopy eye, and I was like, I'm
going to drive a California and get her. And that's
the kind of crazy thing that I can afford to
do because I have this job in this life that
I was like, I have the financial means to do that.
I can take the time off to do it. I
can be impulsive if I want to to do it,
and she's going to be two in just a couple months,
and it's just been so much fun seeing her grow
and like add so much love in life to my life,
and I want to be able to do that at
some point too. Ultimately, I have a long term goal
of either opening up some kind of animal rescue or
cat cafe, and I would love to be able to
give back to animals and also help sex workers who
want other kind of jobs if they want a way out.
Not saying I have to rescue you, but if you
want some kind of other option to not have to
do it forever. We need more places that are willing
to do things like that for people like us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. So what's next for Trinity.
Speaker 2: I'm going to keep doing this for as long as
I can. I love that in this industry you don't
age out, you age in and age up. I love
that the milk category has just blown up so much
more so that I have nothing else to look forward
to other than just getting better with age and knowing
that I can. I can keep doing this for as
long as I want to do it. I'm going to
continue to try to expand and grow my brand. And
continue to collaborate with other creators and models. I will
continue to always find new websites to hustle on because
I'm everywhere. I'm on dozens of websites. I will find
the best customers out of like the shittiest websites and
be like, we are going to be best friends and
I'm just going to keep in my best life here
in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: I love that well, Trinity, thank you so much for
coming on.
Speaker 5: Your story is like really inspirational and it's very different
from a lot of other people who talk about coming
on and building a big social media following, and I
think that that is the route that a lot of
us like have followed, and maybe it's a trap that
we've fallen into. And recognizing that, you know, there are
platforms out there that have internal discovery systems that will
allow you to find fans and build a fan base
without having to like dance around the you know, rules
of Instagram or anything else. I will actually say that
our sponsor, Stripchat, of course, is one of those platforms.
They have a great internal discovery system. Some of the
highest achieving cam models on there, like literally don't have
a social media following, so you don't have to go
that route. There are other ways, and there's strip chat
and other platforms like you said that have the capability
to allow you to grow without having to put yourself
out there on social media.
Speaker 1: So it's a good reminder. So thank you for that, Trinity.
Speaker 2: Of course, again, I just want people to remember that
sex work is the world's oldest profession and it's been
around long, long, long, long long before social media ever has.
So let's not forget that we can be successful hoes
without having to cater to the masses.
Speaker 1: I love that. Can you let everyone know where they can?
Speaker 5: Speaking of social media, can you let everyone know what
they can find you online?
Speaker 2: Yes? So my website, trinityinfinity dot com is the best
place to go to find all of my sites, links,
all that good stuff. And then as for my handles,
you can find me at Trinfinity sixty nine, on Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat, Reddit, TikTok,
and Tumblr.
Speaker 1: For someone who isn't like social media, you're on fucking
all of them.
Speaker 2: I don't utilize them all very well, but I'm on
all of them.
Speaker 1: So you can find me on all of them.
Speaker 5: Of course, you guys can find me on Instagram, at
Holly Randall also on x Go to hollylinks dot com
for access to all of my platforms. If you want
to support this podcast, it's Patreon dot com, slash Holly
Randall Unfiltered and of course, thank you so much to
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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for watching and I will
see you next time.