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Speaker 2: I just want to like, I'm not even gonna look

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amazing tonight.

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Speaker 3: I love what you're wearing.

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Speaker 1: Always say, oh my god, we're all I have an

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angry clownish life.

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Speaker 4: But that's hard, like unless it's like an NBA team

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or something like.

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Speaker 1: WHOA, Hello, everybody.

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or you can use Google if it's not obvious. Today's

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guest is someone who's lived multiple eras of the adult

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industry and lived to tell the tale. She started young,

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grew up on camera, and is now navigating a rare

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transition that not a lot of performers get to experience,

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evolving aging, redefining herself in real time, from shifting fan

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bases to wild off the grid adventures and stepping into

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something entirely new. Her stories about growth reinvention and staying

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honest while everything is still on display. Please welcome one

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of my truly favorite people in this industry, Alena Lopez.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Holly. I'm so happy to be here.

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Speaker 3: I was trying to remember when we did our last one,

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because it was like during COVID No.

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Speaker 1: No, it wasn't. You came to my studio.

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Speaker 5: It was the old studio in Koreatown and you were

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actually I remember, I think you didn't know it was

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on camera.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know because I showed up with no makeup.

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Speaker 1: You had no makeup on, and you were on your

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way to a Vixen event.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they were probably going to do a makeup

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Speaker 5: To get your makeup done, and then you were like, yeah,

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well fuck it. I mean you're beautiful either, well.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, and today I'm wearing makeup from last night.

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So I promise the next time we have you on,

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I have a proper gland.

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Speaker 4: I'm done.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold you to that.

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Speaker 3: How long have you been in the industry now? Eight years?

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I started in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 5: Wow, Because I'm like reading this story that I definitely

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wrote by myself, and I'm like, God is she like,

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has it been that long?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy, I know.

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Speaker 3: Because you were nineteen when you started in the ent,

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I was twenty two when I started.

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Speaker 1: You were twenty two, okay, and now you're thirty or

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almost thirty thirty. Yep, I turned thirty thirty.

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Speaker 4: It was really exciting.

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Speaker 3: I like feel lucky to be here, and like aging

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is a privilege. I'm not afraid of it. But yeah,

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I imporn. It's an interesting journey. Yeah, it used to

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be a death sentence.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, like I mean, now milvs is like

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the number one, like one of the most top googled searches,

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but it used to literally be like back when I started,

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it was like you were twenty eight, and it was like, ooh,

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she's getting to the end of the line.

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Speaker 4: I think people have.

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Speaker 3: Always liked mel it's just become like more socially acceptable

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to life to be open about liking milks, because who

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doesn't Who doesn't like mils?

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, come.

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Speaker 5: On, everybody seems to like trace it back to like

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American pie and like Stifflers.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's like where it came from.

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Speaker 3: I can't speak for the guys, but I feel like

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a lot of their first crushes probably were their friends' moms.

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whether they want to admit it or not, but that

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they find sexy about a mature, intelligent woman.

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Speaker 5: When did you start feeling like you were shifting into

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm feeling it right now.

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Speaker 3: When I turned thirty, especially, I've course got those comments

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like okay, I'm unfollowing you now, blah blah blah, like

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they have to make sure, you know, it's so silly

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when they want to like make a point.

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Speaker 1: To live you because you turned thirty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, even though it's like I look the same as

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same as when I first started in this job, but yeah,

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just the mere fact that I turned thirty, it's just just.

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Speaker 5: Like when people comment about aging online and they're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: What you know what happens when time passed?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Right, yeah, or they get mad at you, like

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they're like, oh, you don't look like you did when

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two then, I'm a thirty year old woman now. But

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at the same time I'm experiencing, like, you know, those

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those guys leaving, which is fine. I don't want them

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here anyways, if that's the way they're going to be

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speaking to me. But then I'm starting to gain this

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new audience of their like they were waiting for me

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to grow.

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Speaker 5: Yeah health now yeah wow. So how are like the

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two fan bases different.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like I said, I'm still kind of like

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learning it and getting to experience those kinds of comments

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Speaker 4: But so far it's been really positive.

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Speaker 3: And you know, like when I got my boobs done,

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I lost a lot of fans because they made me

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look more mature and made me look older and.

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Speaker 4: I think sexier.

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Speaker 3: And there was a lot of guys who who liked

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that and supported it, and I found them to be,

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fans who are going out who liked teen girls. But

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girls are a certain kind of guy anyway, is so right? Yeah,

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those two things go hand in hand.

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like the teen genre is looking to be like the

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dominant one in the relationship and is maybe maybe there's

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a sense of like vulnerability about the girl or you know,

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like she's still learning and she's malleable, yeah in some way.

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Speaker 1: And then the mouth is like the.

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Speaker 5: Opposite, Yeah right, like I will teach you, you know how.

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Speaker 3: You're outwardly confident and intelligent and all those things.

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Speaker 4: So that's a turn off to them. So it's fun.

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we know we've heard like what some of the fans think,

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go fuck yourselves beautiful, but like, how are you accepting

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like aging and how are you feeling about it?

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Speaker 3: I feel great. I am closing on a house next week.

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I feel like very grown up. I mean I've already

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had a house before, but like this, I'm just doing

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grown up things and I'm being a big girl and

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it feels good. And I wish I could like go

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back and tell my younger self that that growing up

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is gonna be okay, And it has been, so I'm

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happy with it.

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Speaker 1: For me.

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Speaker 5: There's a little exception in here because I stopped drinking

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at twenty eight, Like my twenties was just like fueled.

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Speaker 3: All the way.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but my thirties were like significantly better than my twenties.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been It's I mean, I've only been thirty

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since September. So how many months is that?

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Speaker 1: I forgot? You and I have like birthdays like two

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days apart.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm September six. When is yours?

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Speaker 1: I'm September fifth?

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Speaker 3: Okay, one day apart.

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Speaker 1: That's what it was. I remembered where birthdays are super close.

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Speaker 4: Okay, you just turned thirty two?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just turned three.

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Speaker 5: I don't like no, great, No, I'm forty seven, hot, crazy,

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I'm going to be fifty soon.

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Speaker 1: Let's go, you know.

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Speaker 5: I mean and also, like my forties have been different

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than my thirties, and in a good way.

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Speaker 3: What's been different about your forties versus your thirties?

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Speaker 5: I mean, well, I want I want you to tell

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me what I need, what I have to look forward to.

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I mean, you and I started on this journey at

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different times, though. I mean for me, it's like becoming

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a mom, right, Like that's that was like a huge

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part of what maybe my forties different because I had

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my daughter at forty one, which is wild, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I would say that that's a that's a big

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part of it.

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Speaker 5: But also like you know, just like growing and you know,

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like starting other businesses. I've been it's been like a

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wild kind of up and down ride these last couple

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Speaker 1: You know, I.

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Speaker 5: Dropped everything to like work on a startup that did

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not survive. So now like I've started a marketing agency and.

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Speaker 4: Get you go damn.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, you're you're doing things, and that's

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I can't get myself to like to think outside of

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the box like that. So I'm impressed that you're able

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to do that, even like just having the nerve to

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start like branch out to something like that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you cool.

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Speaker 5: I will say, though, like honestly, a lot of it

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is you know, like I've met amazing people and I've

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you know, partnered with them, and they've like pushed me to,

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you know, go do other things. I have recognizing my

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self worth and that's I think a big part of it.

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like who's the right people to have in your life?

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Speaker 3: For sure, I have I have learned that lesson. Like

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like development and changes and you know, you lose some friends,

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you gain some friends. But yeah, that's been a big

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Speaker 5: And I think and also like recognizing how you can

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be confronted with really really hard situations life. And like

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twenty twenty five was a horrible year for me and

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other for other reasons. And you know, like if you

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had told me, like this thing is going to happen

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to you in twenty twenty five, I would have been like,

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there's no way I could manage that, but like it happened,

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and like the fuck I did, Like I walked through it.

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Speaker 1: You know, handle it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's just like I think that we're not

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aware of how much we're capable of until like we're.

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Speaker 4: Facebook sure for sure.

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Speaker 3: I've had tho similar experiences too, and it's both like

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terrifying but also reassuring to know that we can do

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hard things.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we can walk through fire and like come out

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on the other side. Okay, so let's talk about some

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of your more adventurous stuff. I saw that video on

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your Twitter crazy and I was like, because I remember,

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like I didn't you do a scene too, like repelling

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down a mountain or something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was two hundred feet in the air for

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that one, like hanging from my harness having sex in

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the air. Like just it was funny too because I

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went all the way upside on. Have you ever been

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rock climbing or anything like been in a harness like that?

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You can hang?

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Speaker 2: You can?

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Speaker 1: You've never done that? Come on, I'm not, I'm not,

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Speaker 4: Not for you. Yeah, I'll take you some time when

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you go to Utah next, okay.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, fair, you know, bring a camera and record it

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for yeah, and you can like exploit my am.

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Speaker 3: Your virginity of yea, yeah perfect. But yeah, I feel

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an adventure creator. I do this kind of stuff in

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my personal life all the time, and like that's kind

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of what you do in Utah.

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Speaker 4: You're just outside a lot.

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Speaker 3: And I just started thinking like, oh, what if I

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like filmed content while doing this stuff. And yeah, it's

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so far it's been going well, but now like, well shit,

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I have to keep one upping it the last one

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I posted, the scuba diving one. People were talking about

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that and the previous ones that I had done, and

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they're like, so what do you do next? You go

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to space? You going to I got so many comments

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about going to space. I'm like, well, you I pay

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for it. I'll go to space. It's not that cheap, okay.

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Speaker 5: So to tell us about like the scuba diving adventure,

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like how did that whole thing come about?

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Speaker 1: What exactly happened?

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Speaker 3: Well, I had planned this trip to Saint Lucia with

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a bunch of my Utah friends, and I got scuba

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certified right before going. Because it's because I have other

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friends on the boat who were certified as well. I'm like,

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I'm not missing out on that. And I actually drowned

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in my certification. Of course, like I was drowning. It's

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I was okay, obviously I'm here, but it was really scary,

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and but it was like, okay, I have to be

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careful down there. And then so of course I'm like, oh,

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let's have sex down there.

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Speaker 4: Who cares if we drowned?

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I wasn't sure because I was like, how

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can we? It was so clear and that the light

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was actually shining down well that like while I was

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down there, I'm like, this would be sick to shoot

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a scene out in here. So thankfully my friends are

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just as crazy as I am. And yeah, I worked out.

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I was like sitting up on the boat with my

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legs back because I wasn't sure how it would be

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in the salt water too for penetration. So I'm sitting

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on the boat with my legs back just like pouring

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silicon lube into my pussy, like just filling it and

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it worked like and then like just keggling to hold

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it in there.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, it totally worked.

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Speaker 5: You think about like these kind of like romantic scenes

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like sex and a big bathtub or the jacuzzi or

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like on the beach, and they're actually like water is

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not great for sex.

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Speaker 3: It's not, especially salt water. Yeah, so yeah, we but

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like I said, the silicon lube really worked because the

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water base would have just dissolved.

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Speaker 1: So there you go.

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Speaker 5: If you want to have sex underwater, you use it.

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Is how many of you were down there.

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Speaker 3: I have a friend and a married couple who had

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come down with me and our other friend.

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Speaker 4: The guy who I was having sex.

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Speaker 3: With and they are our married friends were filming us,

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and like, you know, we all knew the plan and

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we get down there. We had talked about it on

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the surface because you can't communicate once you're down there.

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So they're filming and it ended like the scene was

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good and it actually felt good and it was not

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too hard to move around, and I could see my

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friends there. Like the girl that was filming, she like

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started touching herself while she's filming us, and then I

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look over, I'm like and we're I'm like, okay, we're done.

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We got what we needed. And I just went over

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to her and I was like giving her a hug underwater,

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and like I just started touching her to him. We

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all ended up having like an orgy underwater. So but

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that part wasn't filmed because these other people aren't performers too.

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But it was funny because like we can't really talk.

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It just we all just kind of got together and

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just were like, let's keep going, Oh my god, like

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we can't let you have all the fun.

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Speaker 1: So that is wild.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just an underwater orgy casually on it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah and say, I mean, yeah, that's that's the life

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of Alena Lopez casual underwater orgy.

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Speaker 4: We actually did record it. I didn't post it, but

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I can you.

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Speaker 1: Have it first?

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Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, okay, because I am very curious to see. Okay, So,

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how important is penisized to you?

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Speaker 3: It's not important at all to me. I get that

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like question all the time. I'm not a size queen.

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Is that a turn off for them to hear that

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I'm not a size queen? I hope not, But I

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know it sounds super to say it's oh, it's about

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how you use it, but it really is. But I

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mean I tell people like I like having sex with women,

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and they don't even have a penis, so it's like

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we don't. We don't even need one to make it good.

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It's like, you use what tools you have to make.

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Speaker 1: It good, so you could go for an average one.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I'm going to choose between being a little

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bit too small or a little bit too big. I'd

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pick a little bit too small. I just think it's easier.

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I've been injured by a big penis before, so I'm

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happier with the smaller ones.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Guys care more about penis size than girls do, for sure.

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Speaker 1: They use it as like a measure of their masculinity.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean even when they're watching porn, they want

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to watch porn that has a guy with a big dick,

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whereas like girls, if they're watching porn, they're not going

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to be searching that up like guys are searching for

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big dicks. So you guys are the size queens, not us.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's funny that you say that, because you know,

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my audience is like ninety six percent men that watch

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this podcast, and normally male performers on this show, like,

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don't the numbers don't perform as well because guys are

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mostly interested in hearing from the ladies. But the two

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guys that have absolutely fucking killed aster, Yeah, he's so

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great and small hands no dread really yes?

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Speaker 3: Oh well okay that makes it because huge because huge

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dicks people are like the guy they're like, they're both

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very kind and funny too, so that yeah, yes, but

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also being kind of funny and having a giant dick, Yeah,

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a man's dream.

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Speaker 5: And then what about just like general sex advice for men,

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Like that's another question I get asked a lot.

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Speaker 4: Like four play starts.

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Speaker 3: When you wake up, you have to start being a

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gentleman and warming her up literally from the minute you

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wake up and having a good attitude. The sex will

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be so much better that night if you're being a

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gentleman to her all day.

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Speaker 1: I love that. We we've talked about this before. We're

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like four.

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Speaker 5: Play doesn't necessarily have to mean like kissing and touching

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and stuff.

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Speaker 1: It can be.

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Speaker 3: It's just like intimacy. Yeah, that intimacy doesn't It doesn't

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always have to be physical. Yeah, Like, you know, are

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you making sure she's she's eight that day? Maybe take

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her shopping, you know, do all the things and sexually

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good that night.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 5: So you're about to reveal your entire personal life in

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a mainstream project, is that right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I got approached to do this project.

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Speaker 3: I can't say too much about it, but it's been

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in the works for almost a year now and still

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probably got another six months before anything is public. Yeah,

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I'm basically putting it all out there. Like I'm very

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private about my personal life. I stay in Utah, you know,

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I've never lived in La full time. So this is

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going to be a big, big thing. So keep an

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eye out.

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Speaker 5: What made you decide that this was like the time

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to do it, Like, what about the project made you

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feel like comfortable for it.

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Speaker 3: I just feel like I've been in the industry for

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long enough that I have a better understanding of like

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how it affects my life, and I felt confident to

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like make a decision to cross that over a little

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bit with my personal life because I feel like I'm

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becoming more myself even in the industry. Yeah, it just

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makes sense timing wise to kind of merge my two

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lives together because I love this part of my life

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and I love this part of my life, but they've

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always been so separate, So this just seems like a

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cool opportunity to kind of like branch those together and

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see what happens.

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Speaker 5: And is there anything that you're nervous about people seeing everything?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Everything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we all have our personal lives and for a

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lot of reasons like safety and privacy and all that.

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But I want to be able to show the world

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that I'm a normal human and have a normal life

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and do normal things that you know, people aren't aware of.

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And it doesn't seem that groundbreaking, but it is in

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our industry to be showing so much of our personal lives.

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But I think it's it's scary because I know I'm

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just going to get torn apart because that's just what

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people like to do with a porn stars no matter what.

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But I'm hoping that it kind of that this project

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will be something that helps humanize us more to the

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public eye just by seeing me, you know, innerc with

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my neighbors and go to the grocery store.

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Speaker 4: And you know, do normal things.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, it doesn't seem like it should be

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that groundbreaking, but I'm hoping that it kind of gives

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people a peek behind the curtain into showing that we're

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just normal people too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree. So what does success look like for

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you in this next phase? Is it financial, emotional, creative?

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Speaker 3: To me, if I feel like success is just peace,

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just having peace and stability. I've never cared that much

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about money. I've never been that like financially motivated. I

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need it to pay my bills and you know, travel

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so that I can go have sex underwater. But to me,

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true success is just being happy. And I didn't really

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realize that also until this over this last year, that

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that's what success is, right And yeah, I'm getting there.

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I mean I am happy, but the peace and the

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stability are mostly there, but there's still more work to

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be done to to make that happen to the degree

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that I wanted to.

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Speaker 4: I feel like happened.

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Speaker 5: Probably always it's a journey, right, Yeah, Yeah, we're always

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like striving.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I didn't realize how far I was away

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from that until this last year. I feel like a

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lot of self awareness has has stared.

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Speaker 1: It was like a heavy year for you, Yeah in

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a good way. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, some hard stuff, a lot of good stuff. Yeah,

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certainly a year of personal development.

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Speaker 5: Crazy, Like almost everyone I've talked to said that twenty

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twenty five was like either like the worst year for

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them or like definitely a year of growth. If you

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could talk to your eighteen year old self right now,

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what would you tell her about aging, about success, and

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about staying power to.

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Speaker 3: Keep more things to myself? You know, not everyone has

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to You don't have to have an opinion on everything.

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Not everyone has to know everything about your what you're

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up to every day. I've always been like very outwardly expressive,

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and I find the more I keep that energy in word,

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the happier I feel. You know how, I had a

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family of said kids and stuff, so I feel like

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I was always having to like do things like work

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really hard to get attention, and that kind of behavior

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has like transferred over to my adult life. It was

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almost like a survival mode type of thing where I

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just felt like I needed to act a certain way

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and say and do a lot of dumb shit at

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that age, where yeah, now I'm just focusing a lot

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more about keeping my energy inwards. So but I mean

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she needed to go through that, so.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, we all have to

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have those experiences to otherwise we never learn and grow. Okay,

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So I have some questions from my Patreon members for you.

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We normally did this in a separate segment, but we're

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a little tight on time for these episodes, so I'm

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just throwing them into the main episode, so everybody can

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get to hear them. But you can only send me

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the questions if you're a member of my Patreon. So

479
00:20:55,519 --> 00:20:58,400
just fyh, I'm excited to hear. Not everyone gets to

480
00:20:58,519 --> 00:21:02,599
ask Lena Lopez quest other questions for me. Yeah okay,

481
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:03,920
oh yeah, no, no one cares about me.

482
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:05,880
Speaker 4: That is not true.

483
00:21:06,519 --> 00:21:06,759
Speaker 2: Okay.

484
00:21:06,839 --> 00:21:09,319
Speaker 5: So the first question is from Jeremy. He says, is

485
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,799
there any scene or fantasy. You haven't filmed yet that

486
00:21:11,839 --> 00:21:14,720
you would like to anal? You haven't done an Yeah,

487
00:21:14,759 --> 00:21:17,559
I know, right, You've survived eight years in the industry

488
00:21:17,559 --> 00:21:18,319
and you haven't done anything.

489
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:18,680
Speaker 3: I know.

490
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 4: I'm working on it though, training for it.

491
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:26,119
Speaker 5: Okay, Is it because you wanted to like ease into

492
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,319
it or make sure that you like it?

493
00:21:28,759 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 1: Sounds like it's not something that you do a lot

494
00:21:30,279 --> 00:21:30,920
in your personal life.

495
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 4: I do do it a lot in my personal life.

496
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 3: I love anals, so yeah, it makes sense that I

497
00:21:35,279 --> 00:21:37,519
have would have shot it by now. But yeah, the

498
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,759
stars haven't aligned right quite yet.

499
00:21:39,839 --> 00:21:42,599
Speaker 1: But we're working on it, looking for a good opportunity.

500
00:21:43,079 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 2: Got it.

501
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 1: Second question, is there anyone in the industry that you haven't.

502
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 5: Worked with yet that you would really love to I

503
00:21:48,279 --> 00:21:50,359
met there's a new speaker girl that's really cute that

504
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,880
I met at XPIZ on Sunday.

505
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:58,079
Speaker 3: She looks Latina, she's younger.

506
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, I can just literally pull up yeah

507
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:02,440
right now.

508
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,319
Speaker 4: She's gorgeous and she was so nice, So I would

509
00:22:05,319 --> 00:22:06,000
love to work with her.

510
00:22:06,279 --> 00:22:07,759
Speaker 3: I haven't looked at a site and forebber No, she's

511
00:22:07,759 --> 00:22:09,039
not on here, but I know he's not he's not

512
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:10,599
putting every girl on the site right now.

513
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:17,279
Speaker 1: I love Mark so much, but we ever redesigned your website?

514
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 3: He won't, he refuses. We talked about this. We talked

515
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,599
about this in the first podcast. Say it looks like

516
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,559
it's nostalgic. It's like og pornett agent website.

517
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 5: It really is, ma'am. Well that's him, that's Bigler, that

518
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,920
is Bigler. Okay, so it's her that what we don't

519
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:40,319
already a hot new Latina Spiegler girl. Okay, got it

520
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,279
all right. Next question is from a'man Hi Holly and Alina.

521
00:22:44,279 --> 00:22:46,519
A huge fan of both of your work. Do either

522
00:22:46,559 --> 00:22:49,119
of you watch football or, as they say in the US,

523
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,480
soccer and if so, are you going to watch any

524
00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:52,359
of the matches live?

525
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:58,519
Speaker 3: I grew up in a family of women, so no, no, okay,

526
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,559
we we did sports, but it was always like gymnastic, stance, cheer,

527
00:23:03,279 --> 00:23:04,759
not ever any ball sports.

528
00:23:05,039 --> 00:23:07,839
Speaker 4: Okay, So I'm just just not really into watching sports.

529
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 1: Sorry.

530
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're not really into sports either. But my daughter

531
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,519
is doing soccer. Oh fine, but she's also doing gymnastics

532
00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:19,079
and dance. Nice, nice, keeping up pretty busy, but she's

533
00:23:19,079 --> 00:23:20,680
gotten really good. Actually, my husband coach.

534
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: She's five. Oh, so big, it's crazy.

535
00:23:25,279 --> 00:23:25,759
Speaker 4: I want to see.

536
00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: But my husband also coaches her soccer team. Cute, really cute. Yeah,

537
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:31,799
they all love him.

538
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:32,559
Speaker 4: Oh I love that.

539
00:23:32,759 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a really good soccer coach. Okay, and then

540
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,079
the last question was from Dave, who's like, I'm confused,

541
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,160
where do we watch these videos live? They are not

542
00:23:41,319 --> 00:23:45,160
live because the hotel WiFi is very very bad and

543
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:46,480
we can't stream.

544
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 4: These lives, so I would be nervous live anyways.

545
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, well you can also tell this is a big

546
00:23:52,079 --> 00:23:55,480
mishmash of me, like like stopping and starting, but it's

547
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:56,680
going to be edited together to be.

548
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 4: That's not true. You only did that once here, so

549
00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:00,400
you flow so nicely.

550
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 5: Thank you all right, Well, Elena, thank you so much

551
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,519
for money. I'm excited to hear about this personal project.

552
00:24:08,519 --> 00:24:09,960
Maybe when it comes out you can come back on

553
00:24:10,599 --> 00:24:13,279
and talk more about it for sure. Yeah, okay, amazing.

554
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,240
Can you tell everyone where they can find you online?

555
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 3: You can find me on Instagram at It's Helena Lopez

556
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,519
Official and on Twitter at It's Helena Lopez.

557
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,799
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for watching, and I will

558
00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:23,599
see you on the next one.

559
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,599
Speaker 5: Hey, guys, welcome back to round two of my AVN interviews.

560
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,920
Today's guest got banned for being a too mean, got

561
00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:36,640
nominated for being too good, and proved that being Brady

562
00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:39,440
actually pays meet Trinity Infinity.

563
00:24:39,839 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 2: Hello, thank you so much for having me today.

564
00:24:42,519 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 1: Of course, thank you so much for coming.

565
00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:47,279
Speaker 5: I know, amid all the av and chaos, I know

566
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,680
that sometimes it's hard to make your way up here

567
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:50,720
on time.

568
00:24:51,839 --> 00:24:54,079
Speaker 2: Well, I'm happy to be here, and this was definitely

569
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,079
a priority for me to be here today. So I'm

570
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,359
really happy to be here and share my story.

571
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,599
Speaker 1: Oh right, well let's get into it.

572
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 5: So I guess let's talk about like how you got

573
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,240
into the adult industry in the first place, because you've

574
00:25:08,279 --> 00:25:11,279
been very open about coming from generational poverty, right.

575
00:25:11,599 --> 00:25:15,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've made it kind of part of my mission

576
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,240
and I guess my brand to make it clear that

577
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,640
I grew up super poor. I have no safety net

578
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,119
of any kind. I was homeless for a while as

579
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,599
a teenager. So when I was eighteen, I was working

580
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,880
at a halloween store and I had a coworker who

581
00:25:32,279 --> 00:25:35,680
she came in one day with her wife and then

582
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,960
I was like, okay, cool, whatever, And then the next day,

583
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,640
it was her girlfriend, and I was like, okay, what's

584
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,480
going on here, tell me of the situation. So we

585
00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:44,799
went to lunch. She introduced me to fat life. Okay,

586
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,880
So then that kind of like sparked my curiosity and

587
00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:50,799
like the whole like world of fetish and cank. I've

588
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,799
always been the kind of person to march to the

589
00:25:52,839 --> 00:25:55,119
beat of my own drum and do what I want.

590
00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:56,960
So then I dipped my toes a little bit into

591
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,559
fetish modeling and camming. That didn't really pan.

592
00:26:01,519 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 4: Out so well.

593
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 2: I fell in love briefly with someone who was not

594
00:26:06,039 --> 00:26:08,720
okay with this kind of work. So I was like, Okay,

595
00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:12,759
I'm gonna do good things. I'm gonna get a real job. Exactly,

596
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,559
get a real job. I hated every minute of it,

597
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,839
and I did lots of real jobs. I worked in

598
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,799
every kind of service industry basically you can think of

599
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,240
fast food, housekeeping. I worked in childcare, and I just

600
00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:31,440
I never felt happy. I never enjoyed it. So I'm

601
00:26:31,519 --> 00:26:35,839
in Portland, Oregon, I'm living with six roommates, I am

602
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:41,519
in debt, I have no car, and I am still

603
00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:44,119
thinking about a little bit of like sex work that

604
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,559
I had dabbled with. But I'm working as a housekeeper,

605
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,480
trying to still kind of do the right thing, and

606
00:26:50,599 --> 00:26:54,759
then I'm like phone sex. I come across a night

607
00:26:54,839 --> 00:26:57,799
flirt and I'm like, well, this is interesting. It's not

608
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,519
like the one eight hundred and one nine hundreds from

609
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:02,880
like the nineties, Like I can kind of do my

610
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,599
own thing here. So I kind of jumped in with

611
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,880
that first. I dabbled with it for a while, just

612
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,000
on and off, and then I realized I was like,

613
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,839
I don't want to keep doing housekeeping.

614
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: I hate this. It's not for me.

615
00:27:16,519 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: And I just walked out of that housekeeping job. And

616
00:27:19,319 --> 00:27:22,960
then I decided that this needs to work for me.

617
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:26,640
And uh, that'll be eight years this July, and wow

618
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,839
that led to all of this. Wow.

619
00:27:29,599 --> 00:27:33,079
Speaker 5: So you started off as a phone sex operator. Now

620
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,400
you mentioned that you know, it was different than like

621
00:27:35,599 --> 00:27:38,480
the you know what we remember from the manyties and like,

622
00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:43,319
actually we used to sell photos to those phone sex adds.

623
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that world very well.

624
00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

625
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 5: What do you think would surprise people most about phone

626
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,880
sex work in twenty twenty five, Because I feel like

627
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,880
people don't even think that this exists anymore. Right with

628
00:27:54,079 --> 00:27:57,279
all the capabilities of seeing people and camming and all

629
00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:00,000
these other platforms. Like I think that most people think

630
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,079
think that like phone sex is like an archaic, outdated,

631
00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:05,160
unused medium, but that sounds wrong.

632
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: It absolutely is.

633
00:28:06,759 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 2: I would say it's actually highly underappreciated nowadays because of

634
00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:13,839
the fact that we have so much visual stimulation all

635
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,079
the time, just constant, like camming this clips that the

636
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,480
amount of times that I have fans or customers or

637
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:27,119
callers who enjoy just talking to me, whether it's something

638
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,519
sexual or not, like we're just having regular conversations, I

639
00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:34,559
think that's very underappreciated nowadays. And I also think it

640
00:28:35,079 --> 00:28:37,279
helps that a lot of my callers are older, Like

641
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,920
a lot of older people still don't really want to

642
00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:42,119
just be on FaceTime all the time. They don't want to,

643
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,440
you know, be sharing pictures all the time. It's comfortable

644
00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:47,559
for them to pick up a phone and talk to somebody.

645
00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:51,359
And I'm a yapper, so it comes naturally for me

646
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,200
to you know, talk and talk and talk, and so

647
00:28:54,279 --> 00:28:55,920
I was like, oh, I can get paid per the

648
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,680
minute to talk. This is perfect for me. I'll never

649
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,160
shut the fuck up, and people, if someone lets me

650
00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:03,839
ramble on, I will yeap, Yeah, yeah forever. So it

651
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,559
really it works out nicely for me. And I think

652
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,920
that a lot of people really take for granted the

653
00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:10,960
power of your voice.

654
00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, how much emotional intelligence do you think phone sex

655
00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:19,920
operating takes right because you, on one hand, yes, like

656
00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:22,680
it might be easier, but also like you're lacking other

657
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,279
tools to get somebody excited or engaged.

658
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: Really is just your voice?

659
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that it definitely takes a lot

660
00:29:29,359 --> 00:29:31,799
of emotional intelligence. I would say it takes a lot

661
00:29:31,839 --> 00:29:34,759
of literacy, to be honest. I was a big reader

662
00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:37,960
when I was a kid, so I have a pretty

663
00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:41,799
colorful vocabulary. I would like to think of myself as

664
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,759
being witty and on the spot. So you have to

665
00:29:43,839 --> 00:29:45,920
be able to kind of like be on the fly.

666
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,359
I know a lot of phone sex operators use scripts.

667
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,599
I've never used a script. I can't use scripts. I

668
00:29:53,799 --> 00:29:57,880
feel clunky and not natural when I'm using them. I'm like,

669
00:29:58,119 --> 00:30:01,480
I feel like I'm reading from a script. Whenever I'm

670
00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:04,119
on the phone, everything comes out of my brain just

671
00:30:05,359 --> 00:30:07,440
on this fly. And you know, every once in a

672
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,480
while you're gonna flub, and every once in a while

673
00:30:09,599 --> 00:30:11,039
you might have a phone call where you're like, oh,

674
00:30:11,119 --> 00:30:14,759
that wasn't the best. But generally speaking, I think it

675
00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:17,480
does require a lot of emotional intelligence because you have

676
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,839
to be able to pick up on what the other

677
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,119
person wants, even if they're not telling you anything. Which

678
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,599
is crazy that there's people who will call phone sex

679
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,039
operators and they don't talk. Yeah, I'm like, uh, well, okay,

680
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:32,799
I can do all the talking here. You're gonna have

681
00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:35,240
to start giving me some cues about what you want.

682
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,240
But so you have to sometimes be a little bit

683
00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:41,079
of a mind reader too, Yeah, which has gotta be

684
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,839
hard across like a phone line. Yeah, sometimes you can

685
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,759
get visual cues from people, but on the phone not

686
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,839
at all. No, I feel like I'm playing Miss Cleo sometimes.

687
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,319
Speaker 1: Wow, that's gonna be so many people.

688
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 5: Actually, my my audience is a SCW is a little

689
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,519
bit older, but there's gonna be a lot of people watching.

690
00:30:57,519 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: It's gonna who the fuck is Miss Cleo.

691
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to look that up later and find out.

692
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god.

693
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,559
Speaker 5: Okay, so you're doing phone sex operating and then where

694
00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:07,839
did you move into from there?

695
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,039
Speaker 2: So, because I was using my own pictures with phone

696
00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:14,599
sex operating, it all happened as like a natural progression.

697
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,799
I started having my callers who would request custom content

698
00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:20,640
they would want to see, like custom pictures of me,

699
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,759
eventually custom videos. Even though I had started off a

700
00:31:24,839 --> 00:31:28,119
little bit with camming because I had gotten so comfortable

701
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,799
being behind the phone, the idea of camming again actually

702
00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:34,200
became intimidating to me because I got so used to

703
00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:36,359
having like all of the control and a little bit

704
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,119
of the anonymity and mystery of being behind the phone.

705
00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:42,799
So then I started doing faceless camming a little bit

706
00:31:43,359 --> 00:31:46,240
that happened after I moved out of my roommate situation.

707
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,440
Once I had saved up enough money to move out

708
00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:52,799
of like the six roommate situation, I got my own

709
00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:54,279
place and I was like, Okay, now I can do

710
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:58,200
more on my own with this job. I'm not having

711
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,920
to navigate around all those people. So I started doing

712
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,319
face with camming. And then I had a couple fans

713
00:32:04,359 --> 00:32:06,519
who were really interested in watching me hit my bong,

714
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,240
and I was like, well, yeah, I'm down to smokeweed

715
00:32:09,319 --> 00:32:12,960
on camera for you. That's easy for me. And then

716
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:16,960
that just kind of led to all of this. Now

717
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:19,359
I'm you know, here in Las Vegas, and I just

718
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,559
do everything still. I do phone sex custom content is

719
00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:25,960
really like the bulk of what I also do nowadays.

720
00:32:26,119 --> 00:32:30,440
I really enjoy making my fans weird fantasies come to life,

721
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:32,279
Like that's one of my favorite things in the world.

722
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: What's one of the strangest requests you've gotten?

723
00:32:35,319 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 3: What I mean?

724
00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: I kind of specialize in strange so it's hard to

725
00:32:38,839 --> 00:32:42,880
like pick just one. I did a breast expansion custom

726
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,839
that was so much fun. It started off with me

727
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,359
working out in a gym because the whole premise was

728
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,599
like I'm I'm working out and I'm taking this like

729
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,119
protein drink that's gonna help me bulk up, and then

730
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,880
I'm taking a nap and oh gosh, well I'm sleeping.

731
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:03,000
All of a sudden my breast just balloon to these giant, huge, ridiculous,

732
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,200
comical things And it was so much fun and just

733
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:09,640
so playful. So I love doing that kind of stuff.

734
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 5: How did you make that work? Like logistically? Because you

735
00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:16,480
had to like movie magic, like, like did you have

736
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:17,279
like prosthetic?

737
00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 2: So I used balloons? Oh okay, And truthfully speaking to like,

738
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:25,920
I'm a huge centiphile at heart, Like I love movies,

739
00:33:26,079 --> 00:33:28,240
so I was trying to get creative with us, and

740
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:29,759
I was thinking about it. I was like, how the

741
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,079
fuck am I going to do this? I blew them

742
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,759
up first, and then I deflated them, and then I

743
00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:37,359
played it backwards.

744
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,799
Speaker 1: Oh smart.

745
00:33:42,079 --> 00:33:44,279
Speaker 2: So it was a little bit of camera trickery, but

746
00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:47,119
it worked so perfectly and seamlessly, and it was just

747
00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:48,200
it's so much fun.

748
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: You can tell.

749
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:51,799
Speaker 2: I'm just having the most ridiculous time with that.

750
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that, Oh my god.

751
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: Any others, I've done a lot of Giantess stuff, I

752
00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:02,119
haven't won popular. I have one regular, though, specifically who

753
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,480
he likes to think about me tormenting the military. So

754
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,679
I get really really big and then I start messing

755
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,440
around with each branch of the military until it usually

756
00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:15,800
leads to me messing with the Pentagon and then finally

757
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,880
just wiping out the whole US like some giantis terrorists.

758
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,760
And it's fucking hilarious and fun every single time, and

759
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,119
I just again get really silly and playful with it.

760
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,079
My most strange request that I've had so far that

761
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,280
I really enjoyed, though, was my gold fingered custom that

762
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,760
I did last year. I had a fan who wanted

763
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,079
me to do an homage to the James Bond movie Goldfinger.

764
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:45,119
I come across this pen that I got gifted by

765
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:48,679
a random suitor, and for some reason, it possesses me

766
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,400
to masturbate, And as I masturbate, I turned completely gold

767
00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:56,760
from head to toe, just painted. And then I mailed

768
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,159
him the pen afterwards, so he have that. I was

769
00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:02,719
like a little souvenir. And part of the custom was

770
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,760
his request too, was he actually wanted to see like

771
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,440
the before and after too, So I did this whole

772
00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:11,360
very cinematic like clip of the gold Finger homage, and

773
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,400
then there's the process of me getting painted and then

774
00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:15,679
me washing it all off.

775
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 3: Wow.

776
00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a lot of fun.

777
00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 5: See when people say, like sex work is easy, you

778
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,280
haven't done like a head to toe painted gold customs.

779
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,159
Speaker 2: No. And I had to get creative with that too

780
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:29,920
because I was just thinking. I was like, how am

781
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,800
I going to do this? And I got like gold

782
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,119
eyelashes and gold nails, I got gold bed sheets like

783
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,679
I was. It was gold all over the place for

784
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,000
a while. And there's a lot of laundry to be

785
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:41,960
done after that too, But it was fun and it

786
00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:44,000
was so worth it. I love the end result, and

787
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:46,559
that ended up being my best seller last year too.

788
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,199
When I put it up for sale on Clips for Sale,

789
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,480
it was just popping off left and right. Everybody loved

790
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:53,320
it and ate it up.

791
00:35:53,559 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 5: Isn't that great when like one person's like seems like

792
00:35:56,599 --> 00:35:59,880
kind of strange and unique fantasy ends up being something

793
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:01,760
that like a whole bunch of other people are into.

794
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: Yes, I was so thrilled with that. Every day when

795
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,480
I would see itself, I was just like, oh my god,

796
00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:08,079
another person bought gold bangerd Oh my god, another person

797
00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:10,360
wanted to see that. I love it because it's such

798
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,599
a weird, niche concept, and that's one of the things

799
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:15,239
that I love to do. I mean, nowadays you can

800
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,559
go on any tube site and just see everything, and

801
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,960
I want to try to be the person that finds

802
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,320
the thing that you can't see.

803
00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: It's like, what's that.

804
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:29,079
Speaker 2: Really weird, fucked up, creative, bizarre thing that's been floating

805
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:31,119
around in your brain? I want to make that come

806
00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:31,519
to life.

807
00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 5: So you've built a career without a massive social following,

808
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,360
is that right? And that's something that people you know

809
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:42,679
often think like requires success, which is true, like in

810
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,519
some cases, depending on the platforms that you're using. So

811
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,360
how how are you able to be successful without that?

812
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 2: I work a lot. I mean, first of all, I'm

813
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,920
a twenty four to seven girl. I do hustle. I

814
00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:58,239
focus really on trying to find platforms that have internal

815
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,519
traffic because truthfully speaks in my experience, I don't love

816
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:07,000
catering to the masses. I'm not a social media person naturally.

817
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,320
I never really had like Snapchat or Instagram or any

818
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,199
of that kind of stuff before sex work, and I

819
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,840
kind of test it sometimes to be honest.

820
00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: Well, it's just frustrating, like how biased they are against.

821
00:37:18,039 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 2: Us, Oh, how biased they are against us, And like

822
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,840
I would rather just be like buy my porn. I

823
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,360
don't want to have to do TikTok dances and stuff.

824
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,119
I feel so silly and cringe doing that kind of shit.

825
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,199
Like I can get naked and put weird things in

826
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,280
my holes on camera, no problem, but then you see

827
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,480
me taking a selfie and public and I want to die.

828
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,119
Speaker 5: I'm so say I wish like I'm not good at that,

829
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,639
Like I've done like no social media since I've been here.

830
00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: I'm so bad.

831
00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 2: I have to keep reminding myself every damnit.

832
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,159
Speaker 1: Did I take pictures for like socials?

833
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:49,679
Speaker 4: I hate it?

834
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,599
Speaker 2: So it's like such an idiot me too, And I

835
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:54,840
joke that it's just like I feel like such a

836
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,679
boomer sometimes compared to people my age, because I'm like,

837
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,599
I don't know how to do this stuff. So for me,

838
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,199
like I never found great success with trying to like

839
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,920
build up a giant social media following and find and

840
00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:11,559
convince people to buy my porn or call me. I

841
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:14,119
would rather than be on a site where they've put

842
00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:16,599
their credit card and they know what they're there to do,

843
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,840
Like they know they're there to spend, they know that

844
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,360
they're horny, they know what this is, and it's a

845
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,119
lot easier to market to people like that. So like

846
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,800
focusing on sites for me originally, like I said, night

847
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,679
Flair was one of them. Now I do a lot

848
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,559
on loyal Fans. When I first joined Loyal Fans, my

849
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,960
following was like dismal, and then after putting in like

850
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:39,440
a solid year's worth of work, I went from like

851
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,400
three hundred followers to over ten thousand on there. And

852
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,119
it does help in terms of like I do have

853
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,079
more people to sell to, But what really keeps me

854
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:52,000
going is my consistent stable of regulars I have I

855
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:56,639
would say like a good dozen or so that pop

856
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,840
in and out that I've built long lasting connections with

857
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,480
that they know they're not gonna just find anywhere else.

858
00:39:03,639 --> 00:39:07,079
Like we've built a relationship of sorts where I know

859
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:09,920
their kinks, I know they're fetishes. I often know their

860
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,480
birthdays and all kinds of things about them. So it

861
00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:16,159
makes it feel a lot more like intimate than just

862
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,719
being like, okay, you can. You can't subscribe to my

863
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,079
loyal fans for ten dollars and not talk to me

864
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:23,000
at all and see what content I put up there.

865
00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:26,159
But if you want to have like a lasting, meaningful

866
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,880
connection with like a creator, that's that's what I shoot for.

867
00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:33,719
So that's how I've managed to build success without having

868
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,599
like one hundred thousand followers or anything like that.

869
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: Now you are you're a dom, right like? You do

870
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,400
mostly like that Braddy kind of dom.

871
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I consider myself a Brady dom. I also

872
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,280
do solo play and like fetish stuff and some boy

873
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,840
girl stuff too, but generally speaking, I like to to

874
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,719
stay in the domination realm.

875
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 5: So how do you manage like consent with degradation? Like,

876
00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:06,159
if somebody wants to be humiliated, do you have to

877
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,800
like kind of ask them where their boundaries lie before

878
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:09,679
you get into all of that.

879
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it can get tough too, because unfortunately, I

880
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,480
feel like a lot of guys are not genuinely submissive.

881
00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:20,599
I think a lot of them are fetishists or guys

882
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:23,360
with porn brain who have watched a lot of kinky

883
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:26,239
porn and so they're like, oh, like I want you

884
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,199
to dominate me, and I'm like, okay, well, what the

885
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,239
fuck do is that? Like you have to be more specific.

886
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,800
There's lots of ways I can do that. So I

887
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,880
definitely try to have like consent talks with all of

888
00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:41,119
like my people I interact with. Again, sometimes it's hard

889
00:40:41,159 --> 00:40:43,519
to because some guys will say I want you to

890
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:46,239
be really mean, and I'm like, okay, well how mean?

891
00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:48,519
Like how fucking mean? Like I need to know because

892
00:40:48,519 --> 00:40:51,960
I will get really cut through and say some shit

893
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:58,559
that will probably surprise you. So I definitely find people's limits,

894
00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:00,400
but I always let them know too, to tell me,

895
00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:02,360
Like I'm like, I would rather you tell me and

896
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,239
let me know that I found a limit than just

897
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,599
like run away like a scared little puppy dog and

898
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:07,400
never come back.

899
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: So where do you think the line is between like

900
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,840
fantasy cruelty and like real.

901
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 2: Harm, I would say, when again, like it leads to

902
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,320
them actually not enjoying the experience, Like I don't want

903
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,800
someone to ever like be like Okay, that was that

904
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,199
was too far, that that hurt. And it's like because

905
00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:26,679
I'm not actually trying to cause like harm, Like I

906
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,320
might want to hurt you, but I don't want to

907
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,360
harm you. You want to hurt the people that like

908
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,400
the pain, yes, or whether it's emotional or physical. I'm

909
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,719
not trying to like just do that to anybody, which

910
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,920
is also why some guys get kind of confused that,

911
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:42,079
like my initial approach isn't to just be like fuck

912
00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:44,000
you pay me or like get on your knees and

913
00:41:44,039 --> 00:41:46,639
start like worshiping me. I'm usually just very much like hey,

914
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:49,119
what are you into? And they're like, why are you

915
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:50,880
being so nice? I'm like, well, because if I start

916
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,079
off being way too fucking mean, it can go bad.

917
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,280
So I have to kind of like test out the

918
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,519
waters and see it's like what is it that you want?

919
00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:01,000
Because some guys too just don't really like they think

920
00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:03,599
that like cuckholding is humiliating or like sucking a dick

921
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,599
is humiliating, And to me, I'm like, that's not that

922
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,719
humiliate Okay, I'm not going to be that mean toy

923
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,119
about that, but some guys really want like to be berated,

924
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:12,760
and those are the ones where I have to be like,

925
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,440
how how far can I go? Like what do you

926
00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:18,159
want me to like hit home with? And what's what's

927
00:42:18,199 --> 00:42:18,960
off limits to you?

928
00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:23,119
Speaker 1: You know, I really wish that there was. I was

929
00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:26,480
actually we won't get into this because it was.

930
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:29,639
Speaker 5: A bad year, but I was building a platform and

931
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,559
we had specifically in there that when users signed up,

932
00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:36,039
they they kind of wrote out I wrote out that

933
00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:38,960
there was like a checklist of like specifically what they wanted,

934
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,679
so when they signed up to like your platform, you

935
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,280
would see it already. Yeah, and you never had to

936
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,159
have that conversation with them and break the fantasy. Yes,

937
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,599
you know, they they like when they sign up, they

938
00:42:51,679 --> 00:42:55,599
supply all of that information like automatically in their profile. Yeah,

939
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,760
I'm not on like every platform. Does that exist on

940
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,320
any platforms? Anyone figured that out? That that's a good idea? Y.

941
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 2: So I will say that on loyal fans fans are

942
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,239
allowed to have a bio on there, like they can

943
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,880
have their own little profile, and a lot of them

944
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,760
don't utilize it. Utilize it because I lurk on your

945
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,480
guys's profiles and I will see the ones who put

946
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,360
what their kinks and fetishes are, and I will DM

947
00:43:18,559 --> 00:43:20,800
them directly and be like, we're a good fit. I

948
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,039
know what you're into. Let's play, let's have some fun.

949
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,000
It definitely makes it a lot easier. It makes it

950
00:43:26,039 --> 00:43:27,880
a lot easier when they come right out of the

951
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,400
gate and they're like this is what I want, this

952
00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:31,000
is what I don't want. I'm like, okay, yes, I

953
00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:32,400
don't have to do a bunch of guessing work.

954
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: I can just get into it and do my thing.

955
00:43:36,119 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 2: But no, more platforms need to be able to like

956
00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:41,280
they always think about our tags and thinking about the

957
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,760
way that they, like, you know, find us, but we

958
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,960
need to know what they're looking for too. Yes.

959
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,039
Speaker 5: Yes, And that was like a big thing behind, like

960
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,360
behind what we were building, and it was it was

961
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,639
actually like you had to kind of fill this out,

962
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,480
like you had to either like hit like non applicable

963
00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:00,480
or whatever, or you had to and it was a checklist.

964
00:44:00,519 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: So you don't have to think about what it was.

965
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, easy, and then like those tags would be associated

966
00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:08,639
with your profile, and then you as a creator would

967
00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:11,320
associate tags with your profile and then in the algorithm

968
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,320
that would match you up automatically, so you would find Well, that.

969
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,559
Speaker 2: Makes sense and rather have it just be a guessing

970
00:44:16,639 --> 00:44:18,920
game and people playing roulette and helping for the best.

971
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:22,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it was. We had some great ideas.

972
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 5: Sadly some people that didn't help us bring it to light,

973
00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:30,559
but that's fine.

974
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: Not everything comes to fruition.

975
00:44:33,639 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: That is absolutely true.

976
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,079
Speaker 5: I definitely believe that everything happens for a reason, and

977
00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:39,039
I'm very happy in the place that I'm at right now.

978
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,920
So what advice would you give to someone starting sex

979
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:44,800
work in the same situation like you, with no privilege,

980
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,960
no platform, like no backup plan.

981
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,199
Speaker 2: Think about it like I mean it, like really think

982
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,559
about it, because I've accepted at this point in my

983
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:58,239
life that the chances of me ever doing anything outside

984
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,079
of this is unlikely. Like my out there, even though

985
00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:03,440
I don't have a huge following and I don't expect

986
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,400
anyone to know me, I'm very humble in my presence

987
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,559
in this space. I have accepted that my face is

988
00:45:11,679 --> 00:45:14,280
very much out there, and I've put myself all over

989
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,559
all kinds of different places and sights, so that if

990
00:45:16,599 --> 00:45:20,280
I ever wanted to just be like I'm done, it's

991
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,360
not so easy to just be like I'm going to

992
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:27,039
disappear and hope that nobody ever finds whatever else I did.

993
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:29,480
So I think a lot of people really need to

994
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:32,400
think it through and that it's not just easy money,

995
00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:34,360
Like it's not just easy money, and that it's going

996
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,320
to happen overnight, and that you're going to just like

997
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,639
wake up one day and blow up all of a sudden.

998
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,280
I worked like twelve fourteen, sixteen hour days, seven days

999
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,960
a week consistently. When I first started doing phone sex,

1000
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:51,559
I sacrificed sleep. I lost all of my vanilla friendships

1001
00:45:51,559 --> 00:45:53,960
that I had left because people didn't understand how I

1002
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,599
could be working from home and not willing to like

1003
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,800
go out and do things like I was like, no,

1004
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,400
I'm sorry, I'm not going to go out to the

1005
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,880
bars with you and party because if I'm not home,

1006
00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:09,039
I'm not making money. And if I'm not making money

1007
00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:11,000
and I'm spending money, then that's not a good place

1008
00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:13,920
to be. I also think you have to be willing

1009
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,360
to like save and be smart about your finances. It's

1010
00:46:18,159 --> 00:46:21,760
very tempting when you start seeing the bigger paychecks coming

1011
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,800
in to be like pursa's shoes, like fancy things, and

1012
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,800
that's not really great when like then things start to

1013
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,280
take a dip or maybe you get burnt out and

1014
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,639
you take some time off. So I think it's really

1015
00:46:36,679 --> 00:46:41,840
important to save and prioritize like what you want for yourself. Like,

1016
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,119
I got a manifestation journal and I wrote down all

1017
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:47,079
of my goals that I had when I started doing

1018
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:49,599
phone sex, and I was going through stuff a few

1019
00:46:49,679 --> 00:46:51,440
years later before I was getting ready to move, and

1020
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,840
I came across that journal and I was like, holy shit,

1021
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,519
I accomplished every single fucking thing I wrote down within

1022
00:46:56,559 --> 00:46:58,760
a year. But it wasn't because I was just like

1023
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,480
woo woo about it. I worked for it. I put

1024
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:04,760
in like a lot of work and I sacrificed a lot,

1025
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,039
and every step of the way, it's been like slowly

1026
00:47:08,159 --> 00:47:11,920
reinvesting into my business and reinvesting into myself. So when

1027
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,559
I first started, I didn't have a lot of like

1028
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:17,639
great makeup skills. I didn't like do a whole lot.

1029
00:47:17,679 --> 00:47:19,280
I just I worked with what I had, and every

1030
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:20,840
step of the way, I'm like, Okay, now I'll spend

1031
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,280
a little bit more on this. Now I'll spend a

1032
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,239
little bit more on that, and then seeing the results.

1033
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,320
So I think it's you have to be strategic and

1034
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,239
not just be like I'm just gonna do this and

1035
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,559
and hope that it works out, which is kind of

1036
00:47:32,639 --> 00:47:34,880
what I did. So don't do what I did, like,

1037
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,679
really think about it and plan things through, because, uh,

1038
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:42,599
it's a life or death kind of thing in the

1039
00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:44,920
sense that like you can't go back from this, Like

1040
00:47:45,039 --> 00:47:48,039
there's not like a oh well, that's a wrap. Like

1041
00:47:48,159 --> 00:47:51,320
so many times I've heard of stories of like women

1042
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,480
doing porn and they're like I only did like one

1043
00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:55,920
or two scenes, and now it's like ruined it for

1044
00:47:56,039 --> 00:48:00,280
me to get other jobs. So so really think it through, like,

1045
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:01,519
really really think it through.

1046
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 5: What does financial independence mean to someone who didn't grow

1047
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:05,639
up with safety nets?

1048
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 2: Means I can pay my bills. When I was growing up,

1049
00:48:11,079 --> 00:48:13,519
I was always aware of bills, Like I was not

1050
00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:15,920
one of those kids that like was oblivious to money.

1051
00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:19,360
I remember like selling my toys to one of my

1052
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,800
neighbors because I heard my parents talking about not having

1053
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:28,719
gas money. Am I alcoholic? Fother so lovingly accepted that

1054
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,519
money that I gave them to no shame. So financial

1055
00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:36,079
independence for me means that I can afford to live,

1056
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,400
that I'm not breaking my back working minimum wage jobs,

1057
00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:45,960
not getting anywhere. It means that I can afford to

1058
00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:48,079
have my cat, who I love so much, and I

1059
00:48:48,119 --> 00:48:50,280
can give her the best life ever and spoil the

1060
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,840
crap out of her. It means that despite things being

1061
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,719
more expensive right now when it sucks, I'm not feeling

1062
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,639
like the huge brunt of it and that I'm like,

1063
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,679
oh no, I can't pay my bills all of a sudden,

1064
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,719
Like I never thought I'd be like, Okay, I can

1065
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,639
pay my bills. I can afford to take time off.

1066
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,599
I can afford little luxuries that I never used to

1067
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,320
be able to have. I mean, I'm going to see

1068
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,159
a Golden Nights game this week, so fucking excited to

1069
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,519
do that. That's something that would have been like out

1070
00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:23,440
of my means growing up. So it just means freedom.

1071
00:49:23,679 --> 00:49:25,559
It means freedom to be able to do what I want.

1072
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,559
Speaker 5: It sounds like the life that you had as a child,

1073
00:49:28,639 --> 00:49:30,480
as hard as it was gave you like a sense

1074
00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:32,760
of gratitude that probably a lot of people don't have.

1075
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am again, forever grateful for every bit of

1076
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,679
success I have gotten from this job. I am grateful

1077
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:47,440
for every nomination, every milestone I've achieved, every time I've

1078
00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:51,800
made a financial goal. I'm just like, holy crap, I

1079
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,000
never thought I would have this level of stability and

1080
00:49:55,199 --> 00:49:56,039
or success in my life.

1081
00:49:56,079 --> 00:49:59,519
Speaker 5: Truthfully speaking, with all the nominations and the recognition, what

1082
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:00,599
are you the I'm most proud of?

1083
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: That isn't an award?

1084
00:50:02,199 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 2: I would probably say my cat. To be honest, I

1085
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,679
know it sounds so silly, but like I'm such a

1086
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,440
huge animal lover like being able to like have her

1087
00:50:11,559 --> 00:50:15,280
because like I rescued her from southern California. I just

1088
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,400
I saw Craigslist added this poor little four week old

1089
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,280
kitten with a goopy eye, and I was like, I'm

1090
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,920
going to drive a California and get her. And that's

1091
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,000
the kind of crazy thing that I can afford to

1092
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:27,559
do because I have this job in this life that

1093
00:50:27,639 --> 00:50:30,000
I was like, I have the financial means to do that.

1094
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:31,679
I can take the time off to do it. I

1095
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,599
can be impulsive if I want to to do it,

1096
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,840
and she's going to be two in just a couple months,

1097
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,320
and it's just been so much fun seeing her grow

1098
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,800
and like add so much love in life to my life,

1099
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,880
and I want to be able to do that at

1100
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,719
some point too. Ultimately, I have a long term goal

1101
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,000
of either opening up some kind of animal rescue or

1102
00:50:53,079 --> 00:50:55,199
cat cafe, and I would love to be able to

1103
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,480
give back to animals and also help sex workers who

1104
00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:02,639
want other kind of jobs if they want a way out.

1105
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,519
Not saying I have to rescue you, but if you

1106
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:07,840
want some kind of other option to not have to

1107
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,880
do it forever. We need more places that are willing

1108
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,920
to do things like that for people like us.

1109
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:16,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. So what's next for Trinity.

1110
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 2: I'm going to keep doing this for as long as

1111
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,360
I can. I love that in this industry you don't

1112
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,960
age out, you age in and age up. I love

1113
00:51:26,039 --> 00:51:28,880
that the milk category has just blown up so much

1114
00:51:29,039 --> 00:51:32,440
more so that I have nothing else to look forward

1115
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,239
to other than just getting better with age and knowing

1116
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,199
that I can. I can keep doing this for as

1117
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:39,800
long as I want to do it. I'm going to

1118
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,639
continue to try to expand and grow my brand. And

1119
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,280
continue to collaborate with other creators and models. I will

1120
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,280
continue to always find new websites to hustle on because

1121
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,519
I'm everywhere. I'm on dozens of websites. I will find

1122
00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:55,440
the best customers out of like the shittiest websites and

1123
00:51:55,519 --> 00:51:58,519
be like, we are going to be best friends and

1124
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,119
I'm just going to keep in my best life here

1125
00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:01,960
in Las Vegas.

1126
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:05,079
Speaker 1: I love that well, Trinity, thank you so much for

1127
00:52:05,199 --> 00:52:05,519
coming on.

1128
00:52:05,679 --> 00:52:09,079
Speaker 5: Your story is like really inspirational and it's very different

1129
00:52:09,159 --> 00:52:12,039
from a lot of other people who talk about coming

1130
00:52:12,119 --> 00:52:14,960
on and building a big social media following, and I

1131
00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:16,840
think that that is the route that a lot of

1132
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,760
us like have followed, and maybe it's a trap that

1133
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,039
we've fallen into. And recognizing that, you know, there are

1134
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,960
platforms out there that have internal discovery systems that will

1135
00:52:29,039 --> 00:52:32,960
allow you to find fans and build a fan base

1136
00:52:33,039 --> 00:52:37,239
without having to like dance around the you know, rules

1137
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,519
of Instagram or anything else. I will actually say that

1138
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,960
our sponsor, Stripchat, of course, is one of those platforms.

1139
00:52:44,119 --> 00:52:47,360
They have a great internal discovery system. Some of the

1140
00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:51,840
highest achieving cam models on there, like literally don't have

1141
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,000
a social media following, so you don't have to go

1142
00:52:55,199 --> 00:52:57,599
that route. There are other ways, and there's strip chat

1143
00:52:57,679 --> 00:53:01,719
and other platforms like you said that have the capability

1144
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,679
to allow you to grow without having to put yourself

1145
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,559
out there on social media.

1146
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,519
Speaker 1: So it's a good reminder. So thank you for that, Trinity.

1147
00:53:09,679 --> 00:53:11,639
Speaker 2: Of course, again, I just want people to remember that

1148
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,280
sex work is the world's oldest profession and it's been

1149
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:19,320
around long, long, long, long long before social media ever has.

1150
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,760
So let's not forget that we can be successful hoes

1151
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,920
without having to cater to the masses.

1152
00:53:25,559 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: I love that. Can you let everyone know where they can?

1153
00:53:28,119 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 5: Speaking of social media, can you let everyone know what

1154
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:30,960
they can find you online?

1155
00:53:31,199 --> 00:53:35,280
Speaker 2: Yes? So my website, trinityinfinity dot com is the best

1156
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,920
place to go to find all of my sites, links,

1157
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,480
all that good stuff. And then as for my handles,

1158
00:53:40,519 --> 00:53:49,039
you can find me at Trinfinity sixty nine, on Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat, Reddit, TikTok,

1159
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:50,360
and Tumblr.

1160
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,519
Speaker 1: For someone who isn't like social media, you're on fucking

1161
00:53:53,679 --> 00:53:54,239
all of them.

1162
00:53:54,599 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 2: I don't utilize them all very well, but I'm on

1163
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:57,559
all of them.

1164
00:53:57,519 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: So you can find me on all of them.

1165
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 5: Of course, you guys can find me on Instagram, at

1166
00:54:03,079 --> 00:54:06,039
Holly Randall also on x Go to hollylinks dot com

1167
00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:08,360
for access to all of my platforms. If you want

1168
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,280
to support this podcast, it's Patreon dot com, slash Holly

1169
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,039
Randall Unfiltered and of course, thank you so much to

1170
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:16,119
strip chat for sponsoring the podcast.

1171
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:18,679
Speaker 1: Give them a follow on Instagram.

1172
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:23,199
Speaker 5: At scworld dot Official on Twitter at stripchat.

1173
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,559
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for watching and I will

1174
00:54:25,679 --> 00:54:26,719
see you next time.