Speaker 1: Hey, y'all, welcome back to Mountain Murders Midweek. I'm Heather
Speaker 1: and I'm Dylan. Hey Dylan, what how are you today?
Speaker 2: If I was doing any better, i'd burst.
Speaker 1: I understand that feeling. You know, I'm having a great
Speaker 1: day as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know when you have that good day after
Speaker 2: a string of shit days, it just feels really good.
Speaker 1: I'm having a fantastic day. I woke up started tingling
Speaker 1: and kind of itching all over my body and quickly
Speaker 1: watched some sort of rash or hive situation just like
Speaker 1: pop up everywhere.
Speaker 2: Oh God, which is.
Speaker 1: Always fun because I never know what's causing it or
Speaker 1: why it's happening. But it's not like an irregular thing
Speaker 1: in my life. Yeah, I see an allergist, right, I
Speaker 1: think you should, or an internist. Maybe have an autoimmune issue,
Speaker 1: which I think I do. But anyway, so I woke
Speaker 1: up all red and rash.
Speaker 2: You always balk at the cost of analergists.
Speaker 1: Well there's that.
Speaker 2: Even if you have good insurance, which we're fortunate to
Speaker 2: have decent insurance right now, the allergy stuff is always
Speaker 2: outside of it, like it has a lot of out
Speaker 2: of pocket it's spens you know, four or five hundred
Speaker 2: bucks up front, and then we're going to do this
Speaker 2: and then you know, I don't understand that.
Speaker 1: Well, after being built for like a ninety thousand dollars surgery, recently,
Speaker 1: I've met my deductibles. So everything I have done from
Speaker 1: here till the end of the year is zero cost
Speaker 1: to me. I'm getting my ass into an allergist.
Speaker 2: You need to get everything looked at more red rashie
Speaker 2: hives for me, I told you, burn it up, come up,
Speaker 2: make things up, just try everything. You can't just get
Speaker 2: everything checked out. We need to run all the tests.
Speaker 2: All this needs to be done before December thirty.
Speaker 1: First, well, here's the thing, Dylan, I don't like to
Speaker 1: think of myself as vain, though I know I am
Speaker 1: in some ways because when I do break out like
Speaker 1: in this rash, like for example, it's all over my face.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go out in public because I
Speaker 1: know people will stare at me like I'm a leper,
Speaker 1: or that maybe I'm bringing them like the haunt of
Speaker 1: virus or something.
Speaker 2: Just like the modern day scarlet letter, right, except you
Speaker 2: just have a scarlet face.
Speaker 1: Maybe I should just wear a mask and then people
Speaker 1: will just think I'm a weirdo who is afraid of
Speaker 1: COVID again in twenty twenty six. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know what to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can tell people you have perma COVID.
Speaker 1: But it really launched my day, you know, just just
Speaker 1: as you'd want it to, just into this wonderful space.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it seems to be receding. So I mean,
Speaker 2: it's nice to watch a rash go away quickly as
Speaker 2: you know, as quick as it came.
Speaker 1: I took a bunch of antihistamines.
Speaker 2: And this is a description of your good day.
Speaker 1: This is a description of my great day. No, I
Speaker 1: have a lot to look forward to. I'm so proud
Speaker 1: of my son. He will be graduating from high schoo
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks. We have a big trip
Speaker 1: planned to Michigan watch the graduation and be there for
Speaker 1: my son. And I'm so excited that he's graduating from
Speaker 1: high school. I know I've spoken a little bit about
Speaker 1: Zaying on the pod. He is on the Spectrum. He
Speaker 1: had a really rough start to life. We were not
Speaker 1: sure he was going to make it. Had a very
Speaker 1: lengthy nick you stay. He was on a machine called
Speaker 1: Ekmo it's like a long bypass machine. Had heart surgery
Speaker 1: at a very early age. And when I say early age,
Speaker 1: I mean like two days old, you know. So he
Speaker 1: had a really rough start to life, and we've had
Speaker 1: our ups and downs over the years just getting that
Speaker 1: autism spectrum disorder diagnosis. Especially living in a rural community,
Speaker 1: it was quite difficult to get that diagnosis for him
Speaker 1: and then get him the you know, early intervention that
Speaker 1: he needed. So, you know, I'm just so proud of
Speaker 1: him because he's come so far since that tee tiny
Speaker 1: little baby that I held in my arms, you know,
Speaker 1: that was hooked up to all these machines and had
Speaker 1: such a rough start. So I'm really looking forward to
Speaker 1: his graduation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a big day, and I'm proud of
Speaker 2: him as well. I've known him for some years now.
Speaker 2: He's a great little great dude. I say little dude,
Speaker 2: but he's like six two, yeah, but a skit like
Speaker 2: a string bean, like one hundred and fifty forty five
Speaker 2: pounds six y two. But you know, I think some
Speaker 2: people may nowadays, people may not realize how hard it
Speaker 2: is or how hard it was on parents back in
Speaker 2: the day, with things like autism and some of these
Speaker 2: other things that are just openly talked about and discussed
Speaker 2: so much nowadays.
Speaker 1: Progress that has been made even in just the last
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen years to help folks who are on
Speaker 1: the spectrum, to diagnose children, to recognize their little quirks
Speaker 1: or milestones maybe they're not hitting, and to get that
Speaker 1: early intervention. It's so important, right and parents, you you know,
Speaker 1: my advice always is advocate like hell for your children
Speaker 1: because that is the only way we got a diagnosis
Speaker 1: because I would not let it go. I knew my
Speaker 1: son was not hitting milestones. I knew there were certain
Speaker 1: things that were going on that were not quote unquote
Speaker 1: like normal, you know, developmentally for him, and just push
Speaker 1: like hell. And so mama's I know, we got a
Speaker 1: lot of mama bears out there. You gotta fight for
Speaker 1: your kids, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oftentimes you can't take no for an answer. If
Speaker 2: one doctor just doesn't see, you know, understand what you're
Speaker 2: talking about, or see it the same way, sometimes you
Speaker 2: have to get that second opinion and do follow ups
Speaker 2: and just keep, like you said, keep pushing and nadvocating
Speaker 2: for your child. It's very important because the early intervention
Speaker 2: and the early therapies and all these things that they
Speaker 2: developed which have come a long ways.
Speaker 1: I mean the earlier the better, right, right, So moving forward,
Speaker 1: after having said all that, we may miss an episode
Speaker 1: in June, like around the second week of June, we
Speaker 1: may not have an episode out on time. But we'll
Speaker 1: make it up to you guys, because we will be
Speaker 1: out of town, going to take a little vacation, go
Speaker 1: up north.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's gonna be great, and maybe we can maybe
Speaker 2: work up a silly, little bonus episode and schedule it
Speaker 2: to drop. We may figure something out. But our listeners,
Speaker 2: they're incredible people. They understand that life happens sometimes and
Speaker 2: it'll be okay.
Speaker 1: And you know, when I go on a road trip,
Speaker 1: I always like to research places to stop off, maybe
Speaker 1: interesting roadside attractions or dining spots along the way. So
Speaker 1: I am checking our route. I'm not quite sure if
Speaker 1: we're going to go through mostly West Virginia and to Ohio,
Speaker 1: if we're just gonna go like Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio like
Speaker 1: we have done in the past. But I am looking
Speaker 1: for some interesting roadside attractions and places to dine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So if anyone out there knows are familiar with
Speaker 2: the route we may take. You'll know it if you're
Speaker 2: near it. Hit us up, Let us know about the Giant,
Speaker 2: the world's biggest ball of yarn or something like that.
Speaker 1: Now, there's a place in West Virginia I do keep
Speaker 1: seeing on social media, and it's called like Hillbilly Heaven.
Speaker 1: I think that's what it's called. But it's a hot
Speaker 1: dog like a roadside hot dog place where you can
Speaker 1: also get married. It's a wedding chapel.
Speaker 2: Dude, that sounds awesome.
Speaker 1: I know, right. So I'm thinking maybe we should stop there,
Speaker 1: either you know, going up or on our way back,
Speaker 1: and maybe we were new our vows at the Hillbilly
Speaker 1: hot dog stand. And then I'll but whatever, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure what it's called.
Speaker 2: And then I'll get you a foot long. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 1: I love a good hot dog. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: I love a solid hot dog too. But I got
Speaker 2: to say I have a hot dog story of my own. Recently,
Speaker 2: there was a oh yeah, hot dog joint near where
Speaker 2: I work at and we'd moved locations, so it's new
Speaker 2: to me, and I was like another day, I was
Speaker 2: really hungry after I got off of work and I
Speaker 2: was like, man, I'm going to grab I'm going to
Speaker 2: grab one of those hot dogs.
Speaker 1: Hot diggity dog, hot dog.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, You're like, how much can a hot
Speaker 2: dog be?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: If you're you getting just a dog? I already had
Speaker 2: my drink, had a little two for a dollar chips.
Speaker 1: It's like a hipster spot because I'm going to guess
Speaker 1: the hot dog was ten dollars.
Speaker 2: It was two ninety Oh that's nothing.
Speaker 1: Was this economy hunt?
Speaker 2: Hey, I feel like that's high for the kind of
Speaker 2: hot dog I got.
Speaker 1: Gas is four dollars a gallon right now.
Speaker 2: Because this hot dog was so small, I didn't know
Speaker 2: they made hot dogs this small.
Speaker 1: It was like a tiny weenie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like a mini dog. It was like
Speaker 2: two bites. I mean, I swear it was not a
Speaker 2: normal size hot dog.
Speaker 1: Oh it sounds cute.
Speaker 2: I could eat like five of these five of these
Speaker 2: hot dogs. I could eat fifteen dollars worth of hot dogs.
Speaker 1: That's maybe that's what they're aiming for. That's their strategicy
Speaker 1: right there in place.
Speaker 2: The QT for two ninety five.
Speaker 1: The Quick Trip Baby has a.
Speaker 2: Much superior hot dog than this place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, may have like a special. It's like, what five
Speaker 1: dollars you get like a dog, a drink and chips
Speaker 1: for like five five ninety nine something like that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't beat it.
Speaker 2: It's one of the best combos out.
Speaker 1: Dylan loves gas station cuisine. We've discussed this before, Dylan.
Speaker 1: Let's move on. We've got a lot to get to
Speaker 1: and one of the main stories I would like to
Speaker 1: discuss is a video that has made its rounds on
Speaker 1: social media, and the story behind it is wild. So
Speaker 1: there's a video. Okay. Let me preface this by saying
Speaker 1: a shooting happened in January when a man named Derek
Speaker 1: Manigalt got into an argument with another man outside Jacob's
Speaker 1: Food Mart in Gastonia, North Carolina, and then the confrontation
Speaker 1: continued inside the store. Now in the video, Managalt can
Speaker 1: be heard asking the men quote if you wanted to
Speaker 1: lose his life tonight, before pulling out what Invests stigators
Speaker 1: later confirmed was a fake gun, right, but.
Speaker 2: It's a very realistic looking fake.
Speaker 1: Manigal holding this replica firearm pointed toward the ground beginning
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, began walking toward the exit, and that is
Speaker 1: when an undercover Gastonia Police officer inside the store opened
Speaker 1: fire a second plane closed. Detective outside heard the gunshots
Speaker 1: and fired as Manigault ran out of the store with
Speaker 1: the gun raised. Manigalt collapsed and later died at the hospital. Now,
Speaker 1: this video has been making the rounds on social media,
Speaker 1: and of course everyone has an opinion. Most people support
Speaker 1: the decision that was just released a day or so ago.
Speaker 1: So this newly released video shows the moments leading up
Speaker 1: to that deadly officer involved shooting, and the district attorney
Speaker 1: has ruled it is a justified homicide, meaning no charges
Speaker 1: will be filed against the officers.
Speaker 2: And I saw the video totally unedited. It's since been
Speaker 2: kind of censored and pulled from some social media sites,
Speaker 2: and I have to say I fully agree with their
Speaker 2: decision to not file charges against the officer. I think
Speaker 2: everything about that video made it a justified shooting by
Speaker 2: the officer. He was doing his job in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Well, and it's report the District Attorney's office wrote that
Speaker 1: the constitution quote does not require police to gamble with
Speaker 1: their lives in the face of a serious threat.
Speaker 2: Of harm or the lives of everyone else in that store,
Speaker 2: Because I mean if you will, if you see this
Speaker 2: video and you'll you'll be able to find it somewhere.
Speaker 2: I'm sure I think many most people would agree that
Speaker 2: if you'd been in that store, you would have. In
Speaker 2: this day and age of mass shootings and just the
Speaker 2: gun violence that we see.
Speaker 1: The hyper awareness we all have.
Speaker 2: I think that if I've been in there, ought to
Speaker 2: be like, Thank God, of course, no one knows that
Speaker 2: this gun is fake.
Speaker 1: It looks like a real gun.
Speaker 2: It's just on the video, utrue, realistic replica of a gun.
Speaker 2: If if somebody's stuck this gun in your face, you'd
Speaker 2: probably think it was a real gun.
Speaker 1: Well, Dylan, of course you have folks out there who
Speaker 1: are defending the I guess you would call him the
Speaker 1: victim in this case. Derek Manigault that police had no
Speaker 1: right to shoot that man. It could have been de escalated,
Speaker 1: that the police officer didn't identify himself before shooting the man.
Speaker 1: But you can see clearly from the video Manigal exits
Speaker 1: the store the cop is shooting, he turns around and
Speaker 1: has his gun raised in the direction of the officer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so he's been arguing with this guy. And
Speaker 2: by arguing, I mean threatening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, threatening him, I mean multiple times, do you want
Speaker 1: to lose your life tonight? I'm not the.
Speaker 2: One A man whose transgression was saying what's up to
Speaker 2: him outside the store in the parking lot, And so
Speaker 2: from there it went to you know who? You you
Speaker 2: don't know who I am? Just a lot of posturing
Speaker 2: and threats.
Speaker 1: And the second fellow who said what's up explaining I
Speaker 1: didn't mean anything by it. It was just a friendly hey,
Speaker 1: what's up?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know reading And he's standing in the store
Speaker 2: saying do you want to asking the guy if he
Speaker 2: wants to lose his life over and over again, then
Speaker 2: pulls a gun out and now he's holding a gun
Speaker 2: in his hand. So, I mean, honestly, from everyone else's perspective,
Speaker 2: what do you think the next move is? Because it
Speaker 2: seems like this guy may be about to shoot this other.
Speaker 1: Person and potentially others in the store. Yeah, he doesn't
Speaker 1: seem stable. It's not rational to pull a gun, much
Speaker 1: less a fake gun on people. Well, anyway, let's get
Speaker 1: into Derek Manigau a little bit. Maybe some of his
Speaker 1: defenders are unaware that he was only released from prison
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five after having served a number of years.
Speaker 2: And what crime landed him in jail for years on end?
Speaker 1: Well, in nineteen ninety eight, Derek assaulted a public official.
Speaker 1: He communicated threats, He was charged with assault. He also
Speaker 1: received a first degree burglary conviction as well as a
Speaker 1: first degree rape conviction. All that in ninety eight. So
Speaker 1: the guy's been in prison up until twenty twenty three
Speaker 1: when he was released. His parole was revoked, his post release,
Speaker 1: you know, all of that was revoked. He served another
Speaker 1: two years and was released in May of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: So the fella has only been out of prison a
Speaker 1: year after having served a pretty lengthy sentence on the
Speaker 1: heinous crime of rape, burglary, assault. Yeah, I insulting a
Speaker 1: police officer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these are serious charges. These aren't misdemeanors. These aren't
Speaker 2: you know, some silly situation where you lost your temper
Speaker 2: or something like that and threatened someone there. These are
Speaker 2: significant violent crimes, multiple of them. And now the forty
Speaker 2: four year old is dead. Now he's dead, but I
Speaker 2: would argue that it's because of his own actions.
Speaker 1: So it's definitely because of his own action.
Speaker 2: You're convicted felon.
Speaker 1: Think someone who just got out of prison after serving
Speaker 1: this very lengthy sentence, would be minding their business and
Speaker 1: watching their.
Speaker 2: Ps and q's staying out of the way.
Speaker 1: And not carrying a fake gun.
Speaker 2: So why does this grown man here? That's another interesting
Speaker 2: thing to think about. Why does this grown man have
Speaker 2: a realistic fake gun? What's his intentions with that fake gun?
Speaker 2: I mean, we don't know. We can't ask him. I mean,
Speaker 2: unfortunately for him, he lost his life. But I could
Speaker 2: come up with some ideas as to why he may
Speaker 2: have this fake gun. For one, he pulls it out
Speaker 2: and threatens someone on camera with it, So there's one
Speaker 2: reason he carries this gun around. Could pure speculation on
Speaker 2: my part. Could it be to pull out on another victim,
Speaker 2: another woman, and to get her and maybe rape her
Speaker 2: because he's a rapist, or rob her, or rob her
Speaker 2: and assault her, or scare someone if he breaks into
Speaker 2: their house because he's a burglar. I mean, for all
Speaker 2: we know, this is a person.
Speaker 1: Who's completely incompatible with society.
Speaker 2: Even after all those years he's not.
Speaker 1: He did not learn a lesson by serving this time
Speaker 1: in prison. He gets out and then here he is
Speaker 1: a year later, laying on a cold, hard slab, dead
Speaker 1: as a damn door nail because he acted a damn
Speaker 1: fool And this is a perfect example a fuck around
Speaker 1: and find.
Speaker 2: Out it really is.
Speaker 1: And is just hard pressed to understand people who are
Speaker 1: defending this fella Manigault, like he's just this poor victim
Speaker 1: and how dare police shoot him? And I guess it's
Speaker 1: you know, they don't know about his backgrounds, they don't
Speaker 1: know that he's not supposed to have a firearm, even
Speaker 1: if it's a fake firearm.
Speaker 2: No, no, he's a convicted fellow and he's not supposed
Speaker 2: to possess or I'm not sure about the the rule
Speaker 2: or the law against it being a fake gun, but
Speaker 2: I'm going to assume he would be in serious trouble
Speaker 2: if you use that fake gun to commit a crime.
Speaker 1: Self defense is a serious it's a serious right. I
Speaker 1: believe it's very serious right that we have in this
Speaker 1: country to be able to defend ourselves. And I'm not
Speaker 1: sure what is going on, but it seems like in
Speaker 1: the last ten years we've seen a lot of folks
Speaker 1: like this movement to get away from defending yourself and
Speaker 1: that if you practice self defense that you're the villain somehow,
Speaker 1: and that the person who's actually committing the crime of
Speaker 1: entering your home, assaulting you, trespassing on your property with
Speaker 1: you know, malcontent in their brain. We're supposed to just
Speaker 1: ignore those people when they're making threats, when they're physically,
Speaker 1: you know, imposing, they're in our space. Daniel Penny comes
Speaker 1: to mind. Now we've got these officers shooting this fellow
Speaker 1: who's got a fake gun, but they don't know he's
Speaker 1: a fake. It's a fake gun, waving it around, threatening
Speaker 1: to kill people. You should have a right to defend yourself, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And I just don't understand how you can rationalize that
Speaker 1: that's wrong.
Speaker 2: It's like all the responsibility has been pushed onto the
Speaker 2: potential victims in these cases. They're the ones who have
Speaker 2: to make sure everything's perfect, everything's just right, and they
Speaker 2: have to try everything under the sun before they end up,
Speaker 2: you know, going for deadly force or something like that.
Speaker 2: So I don't agree with that. I think that the
Speaker 2: victims should get the benefit of a doubt in a situation,
Speaker 2: not the criminal. If you are committing crimes, and I
Speaker 2: think our listeners know. I think burglary and stealing property
Speaker 2: and things like that is a way more serious crime
Speaker 2: than it's sometimes treated. I think breaking into someone's house,
Speaker 2: invading their sales.
Speaker 1: Say, if you're willing to be part of a home invasion, yes,
Speaker 1: I mean to me, that's very violent in itself because
Speaker 1: when you go into someone's home, they could be there,
Speaker 1: people could be there, and that lets me know that
Speaker 1: you are potentially willing to do harm to those people.
Speaker 2: Right, and so if you have an overreaction from a
Speaker 2: victim of these types of crimes, you know what wouldn't
Speaker 2: have happened if you hadn't committed that crime in the
Speaker 2: first place, they wouldn't have had their overreaction.
Speaker 1: Well, let's discuss this for a moment, Dylan. You get
Speaker 1: a lot of I guess defender people who are you know,
Speaker 1: anti self defense and think you don't really have a
Speaker 1: right to pull a gun and shoot someone who's about
Speaker 1: to harm you or whatever, that that's not your right
Speaker 1: to take their life. Most of the time, normal everyday
Speaker 1: citizens like you and me, for example, and probably our listeners,
Speaker 1: we're not typically like dangerous psychopaths who are just itching
Speaker 1: to pull a trigger and kill someone, right, right, most
Speaker 1: normal people, that is the last thing you want to
Speaker 1: do is to have blood on your hands. And I
Speaker 1: do truly believe that most people who are put in
Speaker 1: a situation where they feel their life is at risk,
Speaker 1: that they must react, they have to do something. They
Speaker 1: are not people who are just looking for someone to
Speaker 1: shoot and kill. They're doing this and it goes against
Speaker 1: every fiber of their being. But they know it's me
Speaker 1: or you know it's me or you, it's me versus them,
Speaker 1: and they choose to protect themselves. Those people have to
Speaker 1: live with that for the rest of their lives. They
Speaker 1: live with guilt. I'm sure they live with, you know,
Speaker 1: constant reminders of what they've done. And even though they know,
Speaker 1: like it was my life or this person's life, that's
Speaker 1: not easy to live with. So this idea that there's
Speaker 1: just these crazed folks sitting at home on a pile
Speaker 1: of weapons, just waiting for someone, I mean, I just
Speaker 1: think that's really inaccurate.
Speaker 2: And it's not to say there isn't someone out there
Speaker 2: who may fit that bill, but I think, like you said,
Speaker 2: for the most part, regular people do not want to
Speaker 2: be in that situation. And you also have to remember
Speaker 2: a regular Joe and Jane citizen are not used to
Speaker 2: violent confrontations they're not used to fighting, scrapping or you know,
Speaker 2: someone attacking them, and so you know, you have to
Speaker 2: think about that. They don't know what to do in
Speaker 2: these situations. They're surprised to be in up in a
Speaker 2: situation like that, And it's just I don't understand why
Speaker 2: I've never seen anything like it. It's one of the
Speaker 2: conversations in our modern day that really just puzzles me
Speaker 2: is how we have people arguing over whether or not
Speaker 2: we let these career criminals out of jail. For one,
Speaker 2: and also in any instance, you'll have people defending the
Speaker 2: person who was the bad guy in the situation. In
Speaker 2: the same situation, if that had been a real gun
Speaker 2: and he pulls it out, and these plane clothes detectives
Speaker 2: who just happened to be in the store didn't react,
Speaker 2: didn't react, and this guy starts shooting everyone in the store.
Speaker 2: And then they find out later there's two plane closed
Speaker 2: armed cops in there. Why didn't you do something. You're
Speaker 2: a coward, you're afraid to do your job. You're supposed
Speaker 2: to protect the citizens, blah blah blah, and that would
Speaker 2: have been the story. So, I mean, it's really it's
Speaker 2: just ridiculous. This is a sad situation.
Speaker 1: It's also interesting to me how the media is not
Speaker 1: releasing any details of this man's criminal past.
Speaker 2: That's what they do. But this is it's not to
Speaker 2: say this isn't a sad situation. It's not to say
Speaker 2: that that he this man doesn't have a family who's
Speaker 2: going to mourn his loss. I'm sure he does family
Speaker 2: and friends, but I'll bet you a million dollars. There's
Speaker 2: also people that know him in his neighborhood that were
Speaker 2: scared of him. Because I just just seeing him in
Speaker 2: this short clip of a video, I can tell what
Speaker 2: topic person know.
Speaker 1: He's not a good person.
Speaker 2: He's a violent person.
Speaker 1: He's a scared not a good person. If you serve
Speaker 1: twenty plus years in prison for rape and.
Speaker 2: Know when you come out when you still got an
Speaker 2: attitude like that, I mean, I don't know what to say.
Speaker 2: And I would argue that that community is safer now
Speaker 2: that he is not in it.
Speaker 1: Word to your mother.
Speaker 2: Gosh, there's just so many of these stories lately.
Speaker 1: You might have said things that hurt people's feelings, but
Speaker 1: you didn't want, did you.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feeling.
Speaker 1: You didn't lie.
Speaker 2: We all deserve a safe, clean neighborhood.
Speaker 1: We do.
Speaker 2: And I'm sick to death of people's expectation for everyday
Speaker 2: citizens who are just going along in this hard economy
Speaker 2: and hard you know, them wraking over.
Speaker 1: Their hard earned money to pay taxes, to live in
Speaker 1: a community where you have a certain expectation of safety, privacy,
Speaker 1: right to your private property, and that you can just
Speaker 1: go about your business. Your kids are going to be safe.
Speaker 1: You can go to the local park and recreate without
Speaker 1: fear of someone shooting you, stabbing you, murdering the family
Speaker 1: pet right.
Speaker 2: Or any of that. But it's like, why do you
Speaker 2: keep why you keep expecting everyday citizens who are doing
Speaker 2: all the right things.
Speaker 1: Change of people, and we're expect the majority is expected
Speaker 1: to endure or change their lives to accommodate this little
Speaker 1: minority subset of people who choose not to participate in society. Right,
Speaker 1: And that's that's not how it works. Right, majority typically rules,
Speaker 1: and we should not have to accommodate people who are dangerous,
Speaker 1: who are committing crimes, who are threatening our safety, who
Speaker 1: are destroying our city. I shouldn't have to step in
Speaker 1: a pile of human feces when I walk downtown.
Speaker 2: Well, no, I mean that's just not.
Speaker 1: And that's a health and safety issue. It's an environmental hazard,
Speaker 1: and we just should that we shouldn't be expected to
Speaker 1: just deal with it because that's just how it is. Right.
Speaker 2: Well, no, And people will say, okay, you're talking. Maybe
Speaker 2: if a homeless person shit on the sidewalk in front
Speaker 2: of the door of a business, they'll say, well, where
Speaker 2: they supposed to they don't have a house. Well I
Speaker 2: don't know where they're suppose to go to the bathroom,
Speaker 2: but I can tell you where they shouldn't, And that's
Speaker 2: on the sidewalk, in front of a business, in front
Speaker 2: of kids, in front of regular people. That's where you
Speaker 2: should not, ever, as a functioning adult, take a shit,
Speaker 2: find a bush, or piss any of that. Find a bush,
Speaker 2: find a bush, go behind a tree, go off in
Speaker 2: the ditch.
Speaker 1: Like if there's a nice planter in front of the business,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, some plants go shit in the planter. I'd
Speaker 1: rather you shit in the planter in front of the
Speaker 1: business than shit on the sidewalks. Not only are you
Speaker 1: affecting just society, people walking down the street, kids seeing
Speaker 1: this whatever. But the small business owner, but yeah, has
Speaker 1: to clean that up, must clean that up. And then
Speaker 1: they're dealing with this issue every day, and then they
Speaker 1: start to lose customers because nobody wants to be in
Speaker 1: that neighborhood or be in that area. And it's like
Speaker 1: a domino effect.
Speaker 2: And dare I say that's a biohazard that someone shouldn't
Speaker 2: have to deal with it?
Speaker 1: Exactly?
Speaker 2: I might not have the proper ppe designate a ditch
Speaker 2: a shit ditch, shit in the planner, go shit in
Speaker 2: the ditch.
Speaker 1: Okay, Dylan, Well, let's move along here. I love every episode.
Speaker 1: We somehow managed to incorporate shitting, all right, So this
Speaker 1: blows my mind. The State Supreme Court of South Carolina
Speaker 1: overturned Alec Murdaw's murder charges in the shooting deaths of
Speaker 1: his wife and younger son. They've overturned his conviction and
Speaker 1: his life sentence.
Speaker 2: This is huge, breaking news on a very notable case.
Speaker 1: State Attorney General Alan Wilson said his office respected the
Speaker 1: court's decision, but no one is above the law. In
Speaker 1: a unanimous ruling Wednesday, the South Carolina Supreme Court said
Speaker 1: the conduct by the court clerk quote egregiously attacked Murdaw's
Speaker 1: credibility by suggesting to jurors his testimony could not be trusted.
Speaker 1: They also said the trial judge went too far in
Speaker 1: allowing evidence of Murdall's financial crimes in to his murder trial.
Speaker 1: But he will not be getting out of prison. The
Speaker 1: fifty seven year old pleaded guilty to stealing around twelve
Speaker 1: million from his clients and is currently serving a forty
Speaker 1: year federal sentence, but he.
Speaker 2: Will be getting a completely new trial.
Speaker 1: Well. Still, this ruling is a win for murder, who
Speaker 1: admits to being a thief and a liar, an insurance cheat,
Speaker 1: and a bad lawyer, but has denied killing his wife
Speaker 1: and son since he found their bodies outside their home
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: Gosh, that was such a crazy you know, that was
Speaker 2: such a crazy story when it happened, and as the
Speaker 2: story developed, you know, I think many remember some of
Speaker 2: the major details. You know, his son who was killed,
Speaker 2: and his son and wife were shot in the driveway
Speaker 2: of their large estate property first, and then you had
Speaker 2: the son had been involved in a boting accident that
Speaker 2: led to the death of someone, and so people were like, oh,
Speaker 2: is this retribution for that, you know, you had all
Speaker 2: that in the mix, and then you hear that their father,
Speaker 2: Alex Murdau, has been attacked on the side of the
Speaker 2: road and maybe shot in the head. You're like, wow,
Speaker 2: is someone hunting this family down? You know, You're like,
Speaker 2: what is really going on here? And then as the
Speaker 2: rest of the story came out, you just don't even
Speaker 2: know what to think that it turns out it was
Speaker 2: him and likely the attack on him on the roadside
Speaker 2: there was a stage.
Speaker 1: Myrdal's lawyers also argued before the High Court that the
Speaker 1: judge in the twenty twenty three trial made rulings that
Speaker 1: prevented a fair trial, such as allowing evidence of Murdaal
Speaker 1: stealing from his clients that had nothing to do with
Speaker 1: the killings but bistres against him.
Speaker 2: Do you agree with that component of it?
Speaker 1: I believe the financial crimes directly relate to the murders
Speaker 1: of his wife and son.
Speaker 2: I agree. And the reason I think his whole all
Speaker 2: his fraud and everything was coming to a head. He
Speaker 2: was in big trouble with his partners at the law.
Speaker 1: Firm's very common among family annihilators. Yes, when they are
Speaker 1: experiencing some kind of financial turmoil.
Speaker 2: Or reputational ruin.
Speaker 1: We've seen this with John List and others. They resort
Speaker 1: to killing their families.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we can't forget that his family had been
Speaker 2: in seats of power in that area for many, many generations,
Speaker 2: and so obviously his reputation and family name was on
Speaker 2: the line as well. And then we have he has
Speaker 2: a drug addiction that was, you know, obviously not helping
Speaker 2: the financial and dude, the way he was cheating those
Speaker 2: people he represented to the degree that he was was
Speaker 2: really disgusting. I mean, he was taking the line's share.
Speaker 2: And we all know lawyers get a big chunk of
Speaker 2: settlements and things that this guy was taking ninety ninety
Speaker 2: five percent and giving them five or ten percent, And
Speaker 2: that is just I mean, that just goes against everything
Speaker 2: you're supposed to be doing as a lawyer to help
Speaker 2: help people and represent them and get them justice. It's
Speaker 2: really disgusting.
Speaker 1: Because you are planning to sue you know, a like
Speaker 1: a you know, an insurance issue or something like that,
Speaker 1: and you're planning to sue someone and hoping to get
Speaker 1: a settlement, you really should shop around. You're a lawyer.
Speaker 1: For a lawyer, there are many attorneys out there who
Speaker 1: will do kind of like an upfront like, this is
Speaker 1: how much I will take if we win.
Speaker 2: This is my feed and it'll be.
Speaker 1: Like ten percent or whatever. So you kind of have
Speaker 1: an idea moving forward with this person what to expect.
Speaker 1: I would never get in bed with a lawyer who's
Speaker 1: not going to be upfront with me and honest with
Speaker 1: me about their fee or or the extent of what
Speaker 1: moneys they will be recouping.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I at least have to know what
Speaker 2: percentage you expect out of the settlement. But then you
Speaker 2: have people who are suing because you know someone's died accidentally,
Speaker 2: or you know the holding or holding someone libel, or
Speaker 2: they have a lifelong medical condition after the accident and
Speaker 2: they need that money for medical care and things like that,
Speaker 2: and this guy's robbing them blind. I mean, how disgusting.
Speaker 2: I think that was, like you said, directly tied to
Speaker 2: his motivation to commit this crime.
Speaker 1: His attorneys also detailed the lack of physical evidence. There's
Speaker 1: no DNA or blood found splattered on Murdaw or any
Speaker 1: of his clothes, even though the killings were at close
Speaker 1: range with powerful weapons that were never found prosecutors argued
Speaker 1: that the clerk's comments were fleeting and the evidence against
Speaker 1: Murdaw was overwhelming. His lawyer said that didn't matter because
Speaker 1: the comments. A juror said that this clerk made urged
Speaker 1: yours to watch Murdall's body language and listen to his
Speaker 1: testimony carefully, removing the presumption of innocence before the jury
Speaker 1: ever deliberated.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, this is crazy, but I mean I
Speaker 2: stand behind for as far as the system goes. In
Speaker 2: our system of justice, you have to be careful because
Speaker 2: you can't this is the kind of situation that can arise.
Speaker 2: But I do believe that the evidence was overwhelming.
Speaker 1: Personally, and if you're unfamiliar with the clerk of court,
Speaker 1: her name is Becky Hill and she was assigned to
Speaker 1: oversee the evidence and the jury during the trial. Allegedly,
Speaker 1: she influenced jurors define Murdall guilty because she hoped to
Speaker 1: improve sales of a book she was writing about the case. Wow,
Speaker 1: And the name of the book was Behind the Doors
Speaker 1: of Justice the Murdaw Murders, and it was pulled from
Speaker 1: publication after plagiarism allegations were made and as her book
Speaker 1: suggests it turns out that she was quite busy behind
Speaker 1: the doors of justice, thwarting the integrity of the justice
Speaker 1: system she was sworn to protect and uphold. According to
Speaker 1: one of.
Speaker 2: The justices, well, and I would like to if all
Speaker 2: that's true, she should be fired and she should never
Speaker 2: be able to hold any other position in or near
Speaker 2: a courthouse, because that is that's really inappropriate. And now
Speaker 2: look what you've done. You're going to cost the taxpayers
Speaker 2: another you know, bunch of money because for some reason,
Speaker 2: these trials cost millions of dollars. I've never understood the call.
Speaker 2: I mean, I get people's salaries and things like that,
Speaker 2: but these these prices they say that these trials costs
Speaker 2: really blows my mind because if you go set in court,
Speaker 2: what you will see, typically, and I'm not being a
Speaker 2: lot of murder trials is a bunch of people who
Speaker 2: don't really want to do their job. They want to
Speaker 2: continue everything and want keep the revolving door going.
Speaker 1: And maybe that's just where we lived.
Speaker 2: Maybe, but it certainly was a joke of a kangaroo court, if.
Speaker 1: You will, it was something else.
Speaker 2: Because when you would force this in this area, when
Speaker 2: you would force them to actually go through the motions
Speaker 2: of a trial or you know.
Speaker 1: Whatever, I want this case tried today.
Speaker 2: That lines up with your rights as a citizen and
Speaker 2: the constitutional rights you have. Oh my gosh, you've never
Speaker 2: seen anything like it. It's so funny.
Speaker 1: They'll quickly backflip into deals and dropping the charges and
Speaker 1: negotiating with the other party, and let's get this all
Speaker 1: straightened out so we can go golf. Anyway, The justices
Speaker 1: and their ruling praise the prosecutors, the defense team, and
Speaker 1: the judge for outstanding work, and heaped almost all of
Speaker 1: the blame for having to retry Alec Murda again on
Speaker 1: Becky Hill.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I wonder if she'll face any kind of
Speaker 2: uh ramifications.
Speaker 1: Possibly, But don't ask me, because I don't have that
Speaker 1: information for me, right.
Speaker 2: No, I'm just I'm just curious. I have to follow
Speaker 2: up on that, Dylan.
Speaker 1: This is something that we must discuss because we are
Speaker 1: truly living in an upside down world. I just do
Speaker 1: not understand anything that's happening around me. A California politician
Speaker 1: stepped down from her role as mayor after being charged
Speaker 1: with acting as an illegal agent for China.
Speaker 2: You know, when I was younger, this would have been
Speaker 2: a huge story, yes, because I remember there were some
Speaker 2: spies uncovered and outed.
Speaker 1: And you know in the eighties and early nineties, they.
Speaker 2: Can be put to death. Treason is treason, and it
Speaker 2: is a can be a death sentence. And no, it's
Speaker 2: like this is called this is lost in the noise,
Speaker 2: because that's all there is now is noise, and it's
Speaker 2: like nobody even takes a second to to talk about
Speaker 2: how bad this is and what she was doing in
Speaker 2: the service of the People's Republic of China. A don't
Speaker 2: kill the messenger. That's what the reports are saying. We're
Speaker 2: pretty pretty ludicrous, right, because she ran, you know, some
Speaker 2: media that was directly connected to American Chinese community in
Speaker 2: her area, and so she was getting direction from officials
Speaker 2: in China to put pro pro Chinese news or pro
Speaker 2: government Chinese government news, and to really kind of push
Speaker 2: that into the narrative and push that out to the
Speaker 2: American Chinese community here, which is very strange.
Speaker 1: Fifty eight year old Eileen Wang was charged in federal
Speaker 1: court with the felony count and this was on Monday,
Speaker 1: May eleventh. Later that day, a spokesperson said she'd resigned
Speaker 1: from her position as mayor and council member for the
Speaker 1: city of Arcadia. In a press release. She was sworn
Speaker 1: in as mayor of Arcadia, a city in Los Angeles County,
Speaker 1: on February sixteenth, So she's not been in office very long.
Speaker 1: The US Attorney's Office said that Wang is expected to
Speaker 1: plead guilty in the coming weeks. Yeah, it's pretty wild.
Speaker 1: So according to prosecutors, Wang admitted in a plea agreement
Speaker 1: that she and Yo Ning Mike Son sixty five of
Speaker 1: Chino Hill's work together promoting pro People's Republic of China
Speaker 1: propaganda in the United States from late twenty twenty through
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. The pair were able to do so
Speaker 1: by running a website called US NewsCenter that purported to
Speaker 1: be a new source for local Chinese American the local
Speaker 1: Chinese American community.
Speaker 2: Now, get this interesting setup in Arcadia there. So you
Speaker 2: have a five person city council, right, and the mayor.
Speaker 2: In a rotation, each member of the council serves as mayor.
Speaker 2: So she wasn't She was voted into the council seat,
Speaker 2: but she was never technically voted in as mayor because
Speaker 2: their system actually just rotates the mayoral position amongst the
Speaker 2: five members of the council seat. Okay, isn't that weird.
Speaker 2: I've never heard of a set of different quite as
Speaker 2: I've never you know, almost I could see. I could
Speaker 2: argue there's benefits of that, you know what I'm saying too,
Speaker 2: because so because sometimes a mayoral kind of get a
Speaker 2: stranglehold on a community and for whatever reason they have
Speaker 2: the the name recognition, or you know, they're a big wig,
Speaker 2: or maybe they're moneyed or whatever, they have all the
Speaker 2: right connections and kind of just have a stranglehold on
Speaker 2: a community.
Speaker 1: Well, I would say the city council or aldermen, the
Speaker 1: county aldermen, commissioners like, however, you have that in your
Speaker 1: local area, I would say they wield a lot more
Speaker 1: power than the mayor.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, yeah, that's true. The mayor honestly.
Speaker 1: Almost seems like a figurehead.
Speaker 2: Especially of smaller communities.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, just based on having lived in small
Speaker 1: communities right most of my life. I've lived in major
Speaker 1: cities as well, But it does seem to me that
Speaker 1: the mayor doesn't really have a lot of power. They
Speaker 1: maybe will break a tie if there's like a vote
Speaker 1: something like that, but for the most.
Speaker 2: Part, they're almost just like a spokesper.
Speaker 1: I think the town council, the city commissioners, the local
Speaker 1: the actual like elected officials you know in that capacity
Speaker 1: are more powerful. Well, they certainly have more coordinances and
Speaker 1: stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, zoning alone, the power to zone and change that
Speaker 2: has a much more significant impact on your local area
Speaker 2: than maybe anything to marit does.
Speaker 1: Wang and Sun took directions from the PRC government officials
Speaker 1: to post pro PRC content on the website. Federal prosecutors
Speaker 1: further ledge that they engaged in communications with p RC
Speaker 1: officials via encrypted messages on we Chat about pre written
Speaker 1: news articles. After Wang was instructed to publish these specific
Speaker 1: articles to her site, she would share the data with
Speaker 1: PRC officials, confirming that the article had been seen more
Speaker 1: than fifteen thousand times.
Speaker 2: Now, I wonder if she was what was her Was
Speaker 2: it just an allegiance to China, the government of China,
Speaker 2: or was she being paid for this service, and like
Speaker 2: how much of an impact was that actually having. So
Speaker 2: I'm just really trying to figure out what her motivation
Speaker 2: would be to do something that even though what she
Speaker 2: was doing was pretty minor, but in reality it's actually
Speaker 2: a very very big deal. It's technically treason.
Speaker 1: I don't have the answers to those questions. I know
Speaker 1: possibles were involved, but maybe she just did it. She
Speaker 1: did it for the love of the game.
Speaker 2: Ah, I see, She's like, look at my Facebook as soil,
Speaker 2: I get so many heads. Kind of I can't. I
Speaker 2: shouldn't do that. No, okay, I won't do it anymore.
Speaker 1: All right, Dylan, you are very inappropriate. Let's move along here.
Speaker 1: This is wild stuff. Of course, we love our South
Speaker 1: Carolina crime stories. We just discussed Alec Murdau. Let's discuss
Speaker 1: a Florence County woman who was busted with pills stamped
Speaker 1: with a fake Louis Vauton logo and enough of them
Speaker 1: to kill one million people, according to the Florence County
Speaker 1: Sheriff's office.
Speaker 2: Wait a second, those Louis Vauton fake fentanyl pills were
Speaker 2: that was in South Carolina too. Look, I'm gonna go ahead,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna go ahead and say it.
Speaker 1: Do you buy your drugs based on the designer logo
Speaker 1: stamped in the pill? I'm is this a thing?
Speaker 2: I'm just a no. I can't imagine anyone who's actually
Speaker 2: doing the drug cares, but you know people do. It's
Speaker 2: really common in heroin.
Speaker 1: Can I get a Chloe stamp? Because I'm a big
Speaker 1: Chloe that's that's a designer. I'm really into their clothes.
Speaker 1: Can I get a Chloe stamp?
Speaker 2: People brand their heroin, their brand their drugs, so people
Speaker 2: know where it came from. So if they like it,
Speaker 2: you know, they come in search of the Louis Vatam
Speaker 2: fentanyl pills. But oh yeah, well I think it's common.
Speaker 2: And the only reason I know this, I've never even
Speaker 2: seen heroin is just from shows, from things like Yeah,
Speaker 2: and when you're in a highly competitive market, you want
Speaker 2: to brand your drugs. So when you got the fire,
Speaker 2: if you will, people will know it's yours and they'll
Speaker 2: it'll actually you'll have an uptick in your market share.
Speaker 1: Right, there's a show on that Geo Trafficked and it
Speaker 1: escapes me. The journalist's name.
Speaker 2: She's a female, which blonde headed woman. Right, Yes, I.
Speaker 1: Really like that show. She actually gets down and dirty
Speaker 1: with like fentanyl traffickers. She'll watch them make the fentanyl
Speaker 1: pills all the way from you know, buying the products
Speaker 1: in Mexico, make the pills, transporting them into the United States,
Speaker 1: you know, all the way to like distribution, gangs picking
Speaker 1: it up, street sales being made, and it's a pretty
Speaker 1: interesting show if you like that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: On May seventh, deputies assigned to the department's Criminal Enforcement
Speaker 1: Unit were on patrol on Interstate ninety five when they
Speaker 1: pulled over a car for speeding near the one sixty
Speaker 1: four mile marker. During the stop, the deputy reported a
Speaker 1: positive canine alert to the odor of narcotics coming from
Speaker 1: the vehicle. It was searched and revealed two kilos a fentanyl,
Speaker 1: which is four point four pounds.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 1: The street value of the seizure is a quarter of
Speaker 1: a million dollars.
Speaker 2: You know, we've seen all kinds of different drugs come
Speaker 2: and go. I have you know, you know I'm approaching fifty.
Speaker 2: I may have mentioned this, I'm approaching fifty. I'm forty
Speaker 2: eight fifty. But I'll get to say, and when I
Speaker 2: think about it, I've seen, you know, as people get
Speaker 2: I understand now why you kind of get like this
Speaker 2: uh error about you, this wise wiseeness. I don't know
Speaker 2: this wisdom if you will, because you've seen some shit.
Speaker 2: You know, you've been around almost five decades.
Speaker 1: I've seen some shit and I would not recommend it.
Speaker 2: That's a long time, right, And we've seen drugs. I've
Speaker 2: seen drugs come and go Heather as well. And what
Speaker 2: I don't understand about the fentanyl because at first it
Speaker 2: was oh my god, there's putting their They're lacing other
Speaker 2: drugs with fentanyl and it'll kill you. And people's like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, I don't want fentanyl. It's you know, to
Speaker 2: kill you. But very quickly people just kind of the
Speaker 2: I guess the worst of the addicts or the most
Speaker 2: strong addicts very quickly just switched over to well, well,
Speaker 2: I'll just do fentyl. I'll just learn how to do
Speaker 2: it right. I'll build my tolerance up and then you know,
Speaker 2: I keep my narcan with me and my buddy can
Speaker 2: hit me with the narcan if I do too much,
Speaker 2: and then I can come back alive, and then I
Speaker 2: can do more fentanyl. And I just don't understand. I
Speaker 2: don't understand what's going on with it.
Speaker 1: I don't understand a lot of things when we get
Speaker 1: into drug addiction. I don't understand gas station heroin creat them.
Speaker 1: I don't understand using synthetic opioids taking bath salts right, potentially,
Speaker 1: you know, you might eat someone's face. I don't understand
Speaker 1: any of that, but I'm also not seeking I guess
Speaker 1: a high.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you're I mean, when it comes to that,
Speaker 2: your your squareness is maybe what stock which is good?
Speaker 2: It's good. Oh, you know you should be that way
Speaker 2: and avoid those types of things.
Speaker 1: But my brain is wired to just just go ahead
Speaker 1: and experience all the misery that the world wants you
Speaker 1: to experience. Don't escape it.
Speaker 2: You're just headlong like a sober as a judge. And here,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: In the shit storm without an umbrella. Let it smack
Speaker 1: your right in the face. Oh god, Okay, I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just free wheeling out here. Dylan now, Melissa Seue
Speaker 1: Ellen Blair Danceler. That is quite the name. Thirty one
Speaker 1: of Myrtle Beach was arrested in charge with trafficking infentanyl,
Speaker 1: a murder beach back in the news. So Under South
Speaker 1: Carolina law, trafficking infentanyl of this amount carries a mandatory
Speaker 1: penalty of imprisonment of not less than twenty five nor
Speaker 1: more than forty years, plus a fine of two hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: Damn I believe they found those drugs in a spare tire.
Speaker 1: She's being held at the Florence County Detention Center without bonds.
Speaker 1: I guess when I stop and pause for a moment,
Speaker 1: I mean, we hear of these drug busts all the time.
Speaker 1: But to have enough pills to kill one million people
Speaker 1: and you live in an area like Murder, I mean
Speaker 1: Myrtle Beach, a tourist area where you have a high
Speaker 1: likelihood of being able to sell these pills to tourists.
Speaker 1: I mean, think of the number of people that could
Speaker 1: have been killed.
Speaker 2: One million people.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Dylan, Well, it's a lot of people. Though oftentimes I
Speaker 2: would say that they overestimate the street value, or maybe
Speaker 2: they overestimate. Well, let's say it's just hundreds of thousands.
Speaker 2: That's still a lot of people.
Speaker 1: We have to discuss this, Dylan. Last I believe it
Speaker 1: was last midweek, you mentioned a documentary thirst Trap or
Speaker 1: a docuseries that you had previewed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, you have viewed. Oh I watched it all.
Speaker 1: It is called trap first trap, right, yes, because I'm
Speaker 1: not fully aware of that. I only learned about it
Speaker 1: because you told me. You informed me as well as
Speaker 1: the listeners the looks maxing thing again something I am.
Speaker 1: I'm completely in the dark because I'm old and i
Speaker 1: have a life. I'm not on social media. A TikToker
Speaker 1: influencer popular in this looks maxing space has been arrested
Speaker 1: on fifteen counts of child pornography possession, according to authorities.
Speaker 2: Oh who is this?
Speaker 1: Eighteen year old Mason Holl. According to a probable calls
Speaker 1: Affiday David obtained by WWSB News, the girlfriend of eighteen
Speaker 1: year old Whole was looking through his phone when she
Speaker 1: allegedly found links to child sexual abuse material, as well
Speaker 1: as purported evidence that he was selling such images. When
Speaker 1: deputies arrived at his home, Hull allegedly admitted that he
Speaker 1: used the app Telegram to find sea sam material. His
Speaker 1: fund was seized and authorities found that he had photos
Speaker 1: and videos of girls ages six to ten being forced
Speaker 1: into situations with adult men. And I'll leave it there.
Speaker 2: What a piece of shit.
Speaker 1: He goes by hullo hu Llo on TikTok and has
Speaker 1: about three hundred and fifty thousand subscribers as a looksmaxer.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad he max Auto's looks for when he
Speaker 2: goes to prison.
Speaker 1: His content is reportedly popular among young men who want
Speaker 1: advice and to pay for services to improve their physical appearance.
Speaker 1: And at present his account is now private.
Speaker 2: Well you know, okay, TikTok, riddle me this. How does
Speaker 2: this guy have an account period anymore? You know, I
Speaker 2: can say that those people are acting like trash and
Speaker 2: get you know, threats to be banned completely. But this
Speaker 2: guy can have c spam material see sam or s spaan.
Speaker 2: Let's be honest. Is that like, yeah spam not without
Speaker 2: my colonoscamy. But yeah, so he can have this mess
Speaker 2: and still have a platform. Okay, that makes sense. And
Speaker 2: now have you heard of some of these procedures. Now
Speaker 2: you have the this guy and people like Clavi clavicker,
Speaker 2: clavicular whatever, cluvicular and a few of these other guys,
Speaker 2: they will actually have these procedures, uh, plastic surgery procedures
Speaker 2: to make themselves more attractive for the men. It's things
Speaker 2: like your jawline and some of the more extreme surgeries
Speaker 2: are leg lengthening surgeries to make you taller, which is
Speaker 2: obviously a pretty invasive procedure.
Speaker 1: I don't need that surgery. It's then I can live
Speaker 1: out my dreams as a pro you know, basketball NBA player.
Speaker 2: Honey, they can't add that much leg to you that
Speaker 2: you would need. I disagree to be like regular size.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm motherfucking Larry Bird up in here.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're like a Just let me be like one
Speaker 2: of them little tiny snickers.
Speaker 1: I wish I was a baller.
Speaker 2: You're like a Halloween snicker.
Speaker 1: Get me on the court and I'm troubled.
Speaker 2: Dylan, Yeah, what'd you do last week?
Speaker 1: I'll be kicking your ass on the court. That's why
Speaker 1: you don't be playing me.
Speaker 2: You fucked around and got a triple double.
Speaker 1: You know, No, I was too busy in the fat burger.
Speaker 1: Hull allegedly told him that investigators that he sought out
Speaker 1: sexual abuse material to see Sam the child sexual abuse
Speaker 1: material because he wanted to try something.
Speaker 2: Quote now, now, I actually heard someone flow to theory
Speaker 2: the other day that actually pertains to this, that this
Speaker 2: this is where okay, how do I say this? This
Speaker 2: is where the easily accessed porn at early ages and
Speaker 2: all this stuff like that it actually leads you down
Speaker 2: this path to where you're not a person who like
Speaker 2: is just oh my god, God, you know, I want
Speaker 2: to be with a kid like you're always thinking about it.
Speaker 1: Child, I'm actually the one. I believe that we had
Speaker 1: the society.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: I have a theory that if you have a pornography addiction,
Speaker 1: that it can often lead you to seek out.
Speaker 2: Sea some material because you've seen so much and you've
Speaker 2: seen such visitized that yes, you have to go there.
Speaker 2: You have to keep continuing to go to the more
Speaker 2: darker and the more taboo to kind of I guess,
Speaker 2: feel something if you will, a feel of thrill if
Speaker 2: you will. And I think that maybe explains because you
Speaker 2: often say, how in the world is that this many
Speaker 2: people in the world, And that might actually explain that
Speaker 2: that's how millions of people end up on these sides,
Speaker 2: at these images. Gateway drug is they've just you know,
Speaker 2: had so much smut in their lives.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I do view pornography as
Speaker 1: like this gateway drug to some of the more extreme
Speaker 1: and taboo imagery or videos you might find out there.
Speaker 1: And maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: Now I think you're right. I think you're right in
Speaker 2: a way because you know, just why what why happened
Speaker 2: to porn you know, I mean, it used to be
Speaker 2: just you know, you could search out the more niche, depraved, fetishy,
Speaker 2: like really weird shit. You could look. You could find
Speaker 2: that stuff if you looked for it.
Speaker 1: Now it's just a category.
Speaker 2: But now it's just yeah, it's a category, or just
Speaker 2: the titles alone, or just the setup or what they're
Speaker 2: acting like they are and all this like it's really
Speaker 2: gross and it goes downhill so fast, you know, if
Speaker 2: you are to look at something like.
Speaker 1: That, Man, we're just old farts. Now.
Speaker 2: No, I don't you know. I used to be way
Speaker 2: more a live and let live type. But I mean,
Speaker 2: you just have to notice what some of this stuff
Speaker 2: seems to the effect it seems to be having on society.
Speaker 1: My concern is the effect it has on very young
Speaker 1: people who are able to access pornography through the Internet
Speaker 1: because it is so readily available and easily accessible. When
Speaker 1: we were growing up, you were quote unquote lucky if
Speaker 1: you found like a stash of Playboy magazines right under
Speaker 1: your dad's work bench or something in the garage or
Speaker 1: at your uncle's house something like that, or maybe some
Speaker 1: friend out a sleepovers, like hey, watch this and they
Speaker 1: have some old VHS porno tape from like nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 2: It's all fuzzy yes and bush everywhere.
Speaker 1: It's ginger line or something. But nowadays, I mean kids,
Speaker 1: they have such access and they see pornography at such
Speaker 1: young ages, and it really does have an impact on
Speaker 1: their development their brains. It's not good. I mean, we've
Speaker 1: seen it. It's got a very negative impact. And I
Speaker 1: think of all the addictions we discuss and that are
Speaker 1: in the forefront, you know, addictions to drugs, alcohol, gambling,
Speaker 1: sex addiction, and pornography addiction is still not part of
Speaker 1: the mainstream conversation. We don't discuss it enough, and I
Speaker 1: do feel like it is a real problem, and you
Speaker 1: do have a lot of folks out there who are
Speaker 1: suffering from sex addiction, pornography addiction, and that it can
Speaker 1: lead them to very bad places. Just as alcohol can
Speaker 1: lead you to dark places, drugs can lead you to
Speaker 1: dark places. It's no different.
Speaker 2: Seeing this, this ease of access across many many serious
Speaker 2: things in society. Now. For one, there's almost this steroid
Speaker 2: craze amongst young people. The books Maxings, well, that's part
Speaker 2: of the looks Maxing. And the fact is, when I
Speaker 2: was a kid, you were told steroids are bad and
Speaker 2: everything you saw about it. I mean I lived through
Speaker 2: the home run runs of Martin McGuire and Sammy Sosa
Speaker 2: and Barry Bonds, and it was very exciting. They're breaking records,
Speaker 2: they're just driving balls out, literally out of the ballpark,
Speaker 2: and you were like, what the hell. But you were
Speaker 2: also told, oh my god, they're using steroids, and you
Speaker 2: were again reminded how it's not.
Speaker 1: Goodgerous specials about like high schoolers using roid's and roid raging.
Speaker 2: Aah, yeah, I'm ripping the wall out. And then with
Speaker 2: the wrestlers, you know, same old song and dance. It's bad.
Speaker 2: You don't do that, it's you know, and they talk
Speaker 2: about all the help side effects and how you know
Speaker 2: all this stuff. Well now that's not even the discussion anymore.
Speaker 2: And you can literally go online right now. And you
Speaker 2: also had to know a guy. It was like, no
Speaker 2: different than any other. Yeah, well there's multiple I'm no expert,
Speaker 2: but there's various forms now of it, like trend and
Speaker 2: all this stuff like that. But you can you can
Speaker 2: get it, you can order it online. You don't have
Speaker 2: to know a guy. You don't have to you know,
Speaker 2: go to some meathead gym and you get to know
Speaker 2: people and then buy in the showers kind of shit
Speaker 2: like that. I mean, you know, it's it's easier to.
Speaker 1: Meet me in the shower and some fella just opens
Speaker 1: up his uh trench coat.
Speaker 2: No, it's his lat he just opens his ladder.
Speaker 1: And it's lined with various roids.
Speaker 2: And it's the same thing with porn boom. It's everywhere.
Speaker 2: It's easy to find. You have steroids and you have
Speaker 2: now it's the gambling used too. You knew had to
Speaker 2: know a book you had to know a bookie, you
Speaker 2: had to know a guy, you had to know somebody
Speaker 2: who's running numbers or whatever, and that was possible, but
Speaker 2: it was are defined, dude, These young people, they are
Speaker 2: just getting ringed by gambling addictions. And it's all legal.
Speaker 2: It's all above boys. I can get an app right
Speaker 2: now in almost every state.
Speaker 1: Nearly every other podcast ad is for like that online. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of those you watch gambling apps.
Speaker 2: You watch TV and that's all it is. Either it's
Speaker 2: a commercial for a drug that is for exema, which
Speaker 2: I know Exma is a terrible thing, but it's always
Speaker 2: these drug commercials.
Speaker 1: Skyrizzy, I don't.
Speaker 2: Know who names these things or some gambling shit. And
Speaker 2: these these are not good. These are not things that
Speaker 2: are good for society. And I think they're just way
Speaker 2: too accessible. And I think years from now we're going
Speaker 2: to see that this is truly the age of excess
Speaker 2: and it's going to have bad, a bad outcome for
Speaker 2: many people.
Speaker 1: Well, we have yet to see the true ramifications of
Speaker 1: life online. A generation that never knew life without the internet,
Speaker 1: without a smartphone in your hand twenty four to seven.
Speaker 2: Well, these kids are addicted to it. That's like a drug.
Speaker 2: I mean, it makes their brain act the same way
Speaker 2: these kids free lose their shit, want to fight and
Speaker 2: tear the house up if you take their devices away,
Speaker 2: cut them off from the Internet.
Speaker 1: Oh I know. I've parented teenagers and have taken phones away,
Speaker 1: and I am fully aware of the reaction that comes
Speaker 1: with that, because they truly do have an addiction. They
Speaker 1: cannot be disconnected from that phone for just a minute. No,
Speaker 1: all right, Dylan, we got to talk about this. Our
Speaker 1: last story. This happened just outside of Asheville. Very important
Speaker 1: to talk about. A man charged with the murder of
Speaker 1: three people in North Carolina last week told a Tennessee
Speaker 1: judge on Monday that he would consider waiving extradition to
Speaker 1: return to the state to face charges. Devin Loving twenty
Speaker 1: eight eight, appeared in court in Severe County, Tennessee, and
Speaker 1: indicated that he would agree not to fight extradition so
Speaker 1: he could return to Bunkhom County. He faces three counts
Speaker 1: of murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder
Speaker 1: in the deaths of Travis and Kimberley Grant and Sharon Grant,
Speaker 1: and he also faces a charge of kidnapping a juvenile
Speaker 1: in North Carolina.
Speaker 2: What the hell a triple murder?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's a pretty wild story. After several welfare
Speaker 1: checks this family was discovered, these three family members were
Speaker 1: discovered murdered inside their home, their teenage the couple's teenage
Speaker 1: daughter sixteen was missing. Yeah okay. So during Monday's hearing,
Speaker 1: the judge ordered a no bond hold on Loving, who
Speaker 1: acknowledged that he faces triple murder counts in Buncom County,
Speaker 1: North Carolin, Rollina. Loving would be appointed a public defender
Speaker 1: and that he did have a right to consult with
Speaker 1: an attorney before agreeing not to fight that extradition. He
Speaker 1: is currently being held in Tennessee on a fugitive from
Speaker 1: justice charge, and basically the fugitive from justice charge serves
Speaker 1: as a mechanism to answer to out of state charges.
Speaker 1: New court records say authorities made contact with Devin Loving
Speaker 1: at a Motel six in Gatlinburg on Friday, May eighth.
Speaker 1: The records say he was wanted out of North Carolina
Speaker 1: for kidnapping a juvenile identified a sixteen year old star Grant.
Speaker 1: Loving was taken into custody at the Motel six by
Speaker 1: Gatlinburg police.
Speaker 2: Now, I don't I guess. We don't know if she
Speaker 2: went with him willingly.
Speaker 1: We don't know for sure. Authorities say when they entered
Speaker 1: the room to make the arrest, they found both suspects
Speaker 1: in a bed together, had to pull them apart and
Speaker 1: separate them okay. Investigators believe the pair had been staying
Speaker 1: there for at least four or five days. They have
Speaker 1: not confirmed the nature of their relationship, though family members
Speaker 1: have spoken to local press with indications that it is
Speaker 1: possible Stargrant's parents, who were victims of this triple homicide,
Speaker 1: had issues with her seeing this older man, right that
Speaker 1: she would take breaks from her job to go meet
Speaker 1: him in the parking lot.
Speaker 2: Things like that. This is an age old situation.
Speaker 1: He reminds me of like the Charles Starkweather Carolyn Fuget
Speaker 1: pace where they murder her family and then they take off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's no different. I mean it's almost
Speaker 2: in a way, no different than the Gypsy Road story.
Speaker 2: I mean they murdered her mother and took off.
Speaker 1: Star Grant is also charged with the deaths of her
Speaker 1: parents and grandmother. She's also being held in the Severe
Speaker 1: County Juvenile Facility, and although she is sixteen, they are
Speaker 1: charging her as an adult.
Speaker 2: And that's not to say that now, how old is he?
Speaker 1: Twenty eight?
Speaker 2: Oh, so this is totally disgusting. He should not be
Speaker 2: having any contact with.
Speaker 1: This twenty eight and she's sixteen.
Speaker 2: It's certainly not a Romeo Juliet situation. He is a
Speaker 2: piece of shit on many many counts, obviously, and she's
Speaker 2: not old enough to of course, you should never want
Speaker 2: anything bad. She's being manipulate, Let's be honest. She's definitely
Speaker 2: being manipulated by this twenty eight year old shipbird. There's
Speaker 2: no way around that. And it'll be interesting because oftentimes
Speaker 2: in these situations, you know, the it's usually a girl.
Speaker 2: It ends up being a victim of sorts of the
Speaker 2: perpetrator as well, even though even if they seemed like
Speaker 2: they were on board with what was going on, it's
Speaker 2: usually not really the case. So it'll be interesting to
Speaker 2: see how that case develops as far as she is concerned.
Speaker 2: But my god, two generations of a family murdered because
Speaker 2: this guy who's pushing thirty wouldn't stay away from their
Speaker 2: sixteen year old daughter. I mean, come on, and that's
Speaker 2: right there is why you got to keep that hot
Speaker 2: lead for somebody like this dude.
Speaker 1: You got to Court records say that Star Grant was
Speaker 1: adopted by the forty one year old victim, Travis Grant
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. Previous court records also state that Travis
Speaker 1: was married twice before, once to one of the other victims,
Speaker 1: Kimberly Grant. Okay, so it seems maybe he is her
Speaker 1: stepfather and adopted her. Not one hundred percent on that,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really sad. So when Buncom County Sheriff's
Speaker 1: Office were called out to eighteen Ashworth Drive around seven
Speaker 1: point fifteen on Thursday, May seventh, they entered the home
Speaker 1: and they found the three people dead. Authority said. The
Speaker 1: victims were found with gunshot wounds. They also learned that
Speaker 1: Star Grant, who lived at the home, was unaccounted for,
Speaker 1: and then they were able to track them to Gatlinburg,
Speaker 1: North Carolina or I'm sorry, Gatlinburg, Tennessee from North Carolina.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they probably took their credit cards and debit
Speaker 2: cards and that's what they were using to finance her trip.
Speaker 2: Because that's how smart this dumb ass guy is. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like they can't see that.
Speaker 1: Wow, I mean, what did they actually think would happen?
Speaker 1: That they would murder her family and then go to
Speaker 1: Gatlinburg on vacation and then where were they going to
Speaker 1: go from there? Or were they just planning to kind
Speaker 1: of have this romantic week together before law enforcement caught up.
Speaker 2: Well, it always seems like there's a kind of a
Speaker 2: desperation to a situation like this, and it's like the
Speaker 2: couple involved. Again, we don't know how involved she was
Speaker 2: in the actual murders or she wanted that to happen
Speaker 2: or anything. We don't know that, but it's almost like
Speaker 2: they're just trying to stay together as long as they can,
Speaker 2: though they always it always comes to an end. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, dude, and see that. Even though that's our
Speaker 2: last story, we might have to do another episode, like
Speaker 2: in another day or two because there is so much
Speaker 2: going on. There's literally so much going on right now
Speaker 2: that in the world of true crime that you even
Speaker 2: almost you can't keep it well.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Gallinburg, I'll leave you with this, Dylan. A
Speaker 1: black bear managed to lock itself inside a hotel bathroom
Speaker 1: in Gatlinburg, and this wild viral video has made the rounds.
Speaker 1: The bear racked up fifty dollars in damages by breaking
Speaker 1: a mirror.
Speaker 2: Just fifty dollars. Yeah, you know, that reminds me of
Speaker 2: those people had those luxury cars and they tried to
Speaker 2: do an entrance scam by saying that a bear got
Speaker 2: inside of the cars. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we discussed that a few.
Speaker 2: Years ago on the pod and it was them. They
Speaker 2: faked it. They faked the bear like ripping, you know,
Speaker 2: try they tore up the interior and shit, what dumbasses.
Speaker 1: Well this is interesting, Dylan. So the Gatlinburg Police Department
Speaker 1: responded to what is just truly a peak great Smoky
Speaker 1: Mountains call.
Speaker 2: This week, a bear and a bathroom call.
Speaker 1: They get a bear locked in a bathroom inside the
Speaker 1: quality in in suites in the down Town area. According
Speaker 1: to the police report, officers responded to the motel around
Speaker 1: two thirty three am Friday after receiving this report from
Speaker 1: an employee. The employee observed a bear enter an exterior
Speaker 1: bathroom and lock itself inside.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 1: I mean, God forbid, the guy just wants a little
Speaker 1: bit of privacy, y'all.
Speaker 2: That's an awesome hotel that has exterior bathroom stead well.
Speaker 1: The footage shows officers carefully opening the bathroom door before
Speaker 1: the confused bear casually strolls out. He heads down the
Speaker 1: sidewalk to freedom. Of course, officers and bystanders scatter out
Speaker 1: of the way. One officer beats six together while they
Speaker 1: both holler to deter the animal, and it seems like
Speaker 1: the bear had no interest in the humans anyway.
Speaker 2: I will guarantee you that somebody on site said go
Speaker 2: on get.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure that it was said. It
Speaker 1: seems like the officers did handle the situation perfectly. Nobody
Speaker 1: was injured, the bear wasn't harmed, and the only damage
Speaker 1: was just minor property damage to a mirror that was broken,
Speaker 1: and that was estimated to be about fifty dollars worth
Speaker 1: of damage.
Speaker 2: And the bear has been ordered to pay fifty dollars
Speaker 2: in restitution to the Quality in and Sweet, And now
Speaker 2: all they have to figure out is how many berries
Speaker 2: it actually takes to equal that fifty dollars value. So
Speaker 2: the bear's working on that. Okay, all right, geez, what next?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: He's gonna make us way down the street, get an airbrush,
Speaker 1: T shirt, sample some free moonshine, and maybe pop in
Speaker 1: the store for a half pound of that delicious Some'meor's fudge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or maybe some smoke Road fudge.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, the bears have come a long way since
Speaker 2: the day of the the bear dens, the bear holes
Speaker 2: where they would keep them locked up and feed them.
Speaker 1: Like bear pits.
Speaker 2: Bear it. Yes, yeah, so the bear's been freed. And
Speaker 2: I think that's a good thing. I think that after
Speaker 2: all these stories of turmoil, murder, violence that you've just
Speaker 2: went over, I think it really shows that there is
Speaker 2: a chance for humanity because the bears are out of
Speaker 2: the pits and they're in the Quality and in Sweet's bathroom.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, they're being trained. Maybe the bears
Speaker 1: trained to use the toilet.
Speaker 2: Well, I could barely get through that story, all right.
Speaker 2: Thank you for those stories. Heather. We've got to drop
Speaker 2: another up.
Speaker 1: You are welcome, Dylan.
Speaker 2: We've got to drop another like a bonus of Midweek,
Speaker 2: because there's more we need to get to. There's crazy
Speaker 2: ass stories we didn't even make it to, so until
Speaker 2: next time. And I also, Heather, I want to thank
Speaker 2: you for those that two parter that we just dropped,
Speaker 2: just finished case, the Releasia rud case, the Poor Little Girl.
Speaker 2: Such a sad story, but I enjoyed going over that
Speaker 2: case with you, and thank you to our listeners.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to dropping our next episode, Dylan.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see what it's about. Bye bye,