WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:03.640 Hey, y'all, welcome back to Mountain Murders Midweek. I'm Heather 2 00:00:03.960 --> 00:00:08.240 and I'm Dylan. Hey Dylan, what how are you today? 3 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:11.759 If I was doing any better, i'd burst. 4 00:00:12.119 --> 00:00:15.240 I understand that feeling. You know, I'm having a great 5 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:16.079 day as well. 6 00:00:16.320 --> 00:00:18.640 Yeah, you know when you have that good day after 7 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:22.359 a string of shit days, it just feels really good. 8 00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:28.039 I'm having a fantastic day. I woke up started tingling 9 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:32.240 and kind of itching all over my body and quickly 10 00:00:32.320 --> 00:00:37.320 watched some sort of rash or hive situation just like 11 00:00:37.439 --> 00:00:38.520 pop up everywhere. 12 00:00:38.679 --> 00:00:39.399 Oh God, which is. 13 00:00:39.399 --> 00:00:43.320 Always fun because I never know what's causing it or 14 00:00:43.359 --> 00:00:46.359 why it's happening. But it's not like an irregular thing 15 00:00:46.399 --> 00:00:52.039 in my life. Yeah, I see an allergist, right, I 16 00:00:52.520 --> 00:00:56.280 think you should, or an internist. Maybe have an autoimmune issue, 17 00:00:56.359 --> 00:00:59.119 which I think I do. But anyway, so I woke 18 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:00.000 up all red and rash. 19 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:03.119 You always balk at the cost of analergists. 20 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:04.239 Well there's that. 21 00:01:05.480 --> 00:01:08.280 Even if you have good insurance, which we're fortunate to 22 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:12.159 have decent insurance right now, the allergy stuff is always 23 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:14.439 outside of it, like it has a lot of out 24 00:01:14.439 --> 00:01:17.120 of pocket it's spens you know, four or five hundred 25 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:19.319 bucks up front, and then we're going to do this 26 00:01:19.400 --> 00:01:21.519 and then you know, I don't understand that. 27 00:01:21.640 --> 00:01:25.680 Well, after being built for like a ninety thousand dollars surgery, recently, 28 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:29.599 I've met my deductibles. So everything I have done from 29 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:33.159 here till the end of the year is zero cost 30 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:36.239 to me. I'm getting my ass into an allergist. 31 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:40.760 You need to get everything looked at more red rashie 32 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:44.920 hives for me, I told you, burn it up, come up, 33 00:01:45.319 --> 00:01:48.280 make things up, just try everything. You can't just get 34 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:50.719 everything checked out. We need to run all the tests. 35 00:01:51.280 --> 00:01:53.640 All this needs to be done before December thirty. 36 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:57.319 First, well, here's the thing, Dylan, I don't like to 37 00:01:57.319 --> 00:02:00.200 think of myself as vain, though I know I am 38 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:03.239 in some ways because when I do break out like 39 00:02:03.319 --> 00:02:05.719 in this rash, like for example, it's all over my face. 40 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:08.520 I don't want to go out in public because I 41 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:10.840 know people will stare at me like I'm a leper, 42 00:02:11.639 --> 00:02:13.960 or that maybe I'm bringing them like the haunt of 43 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:15.560 virus or something. 44 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:18.319 Just like the modern day scarlet letter, right, except you 45 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:19.520 just have a scarlet face. 46 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:22.199 Maybe I should just wear a mask and then people 47 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:24.719 will just think I'm a weirdo who is afraid of 48 00:02:24.759 --> 00:02:27.280 COVID again in twenty twenty six. I don't know. I 49 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:28.000 don't know what to do. 50 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:30.199 Yeah, you can tell people you have perma COVID. 51 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:34.439 But it really launched my day, you know, just just 52 00:02:34.879 --> 00:02:37.520 as you'd want it to, just into this wonderful space. 53 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:40.680 Yeah, but it seems to be receding. So I mean, 54 00:02:41.439 --> 00:02:44.759 it's nice to watch a rash go away quickly as 55 00:02:44.919 --> 00:02:46.159 you know, as quick as it came. 56 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:48.199 I took a bunch of antihistamines. 57 00:02:48.360 --> 00:02:50.400 And this is a description of your good day. 58 00:02:50.560 --> 00:02:53.319 This is a description of my great day. No, I 59 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:55.520 have a lot to look forward to. I'm so proud 60 00:02:55.680 --> 00:03:00.199 of my son. He will be graduating from high schoo 61 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:03.120 in a couple of weeks. We have a big trip 62 00:03:03.159 --> 00:03:07.719 planned to Michigan watch the graduation and be there for 63 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:11.080 my son. And I'm so excited that he's graduating from 64 00:03:11.159 --> 00:03:14.080 high school. I know I've spoken a little bit about 65 00:03:14.199 --> 00:03:16.960 Zaying on the pod. He is on the Spectrum. He 66 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:19.360 had a really rough start to life. We were not 67 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:22.080 sure he was going to make it. Had a very 68 00:03:22.159 --> 00:03:25.319 lengthy nick you stay. He was on a machine called 69 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:28.759 Ekmo it's like a long bypass machine. Had heart surgery 70 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:31.680 at a very early age. And when I say early age, 71 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:34.080 I mean like two days old, you know. So he 72 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:36.719 had a really rough start to life, and we've had 73 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:40.400 our ups and downs over the years just getting that 74 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:45.240 autism spectrum disorder diagnosis. Especially living in a rural community, 75 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:48.840 it was quite difficult to get that diagnosis for him 76 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:52.159 and then get him the you know, early intervention that 77 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:55.439 he needed. So, you know, I'm just so proud of 78 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:58.960 him because he's come so far since that tee tiny 79 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:01.319 little baby that I held in my arms, you know, 80 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:03.520 that was hooked up to all these machines and had 81 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:06.639 such a rough start. So I'm really looking forward to 82 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:07.439 his graduation. 83 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:10.159 Yeah, yeah, it's a big day, and I'm proud of 84 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:12.719 him as well. I've known him for some years now. 85 00:04:13.080 --> 00:04:15.439 He's a great little great dude. I say little dude, 86 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:19.399 but he's like six two, yeah, but a skit like 87 00:04:19.439 --> 00:04:22.680 a string bean, like one hundred and fifty forty five 88 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:26.319 pounds six y two. But you know, I think some 89 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:31.560 people may nowadays, people may not realize how hard it 90 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:34.959 is or how hard it was on parents back in 91 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:39.199 the day, with things like autism and some of these 92 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:42.399 other things that are just openly talked about and discussed 93 00:04:43.240 --> 00:04:44.279 so much nowadays. 94 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:46.720 Progress that has been made even in just the last 95 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:50.600 ten to fifteen years to help folks who are on 96 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:56.040 the spectrum, to diagnose children, to recognize their little quirks 97 00:04:56.079 --> 00:04:58.600 or milestones maybe they're not hitting, and to get that 98 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:03.439 early intervention. It's so important, right and parents, you you know, 99 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:06.959 my advice always is advocate like hell for your children 100 00:05:07.639 --> 00:05:10.800 because that is the only way we got a diagnosis 101 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:14.319 because I would not let it go. I knew my 102 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:16.959 son was not hitting milestones. I knew there were certain 103 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:20.040 things that were going on that were not quote unquote 104 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:24.040 like normal, you know, developmentally for him, and just push 105 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:26.439 like hell. And so mama's I know, we got a 106 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:28.399 lot of mama bears out there. You gotta fight for 107 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:29.240 your kids, man. 108 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:32.920 Yeah. Oftentimes you can't take no for an answer. If 109 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:35.839 one doctor just doesn't see, you know, understand what you're 110 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:39.079 talking about, or see it the same way, sometimes you 111 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:41.839 have to get that second opinion and do follow ups 112 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:44.319 and just keep, like you said, keep pushing and nadvocating 113 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:47.160 for your child. It's very important because the early intervention 114 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:49.600 and the early therapies and all these things that they 115 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:51.639 developed which have come a long ways. 116 00:05:52.279 --> 00:05:56.439 I mean the earlier the better, right, right, So moving forward, 117 00:05:57.160 --> 00:06:00.279 after having said all that, we may miss an episode 118 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:03.160 in June, like around the second week of June, we 119 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:06.319 may not have an episode out on time. But we'll 120 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:08.079 make it up to you guys, because we will be 121 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:10.839 out of town, going to take a little vacation, go 122 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:11.519 up north. 123 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:14.720 Yes, that's gonna be great, and maybe we can maybe 124 00:06:14.759 --> 00:06:17.519 work up a silly, little bonus episode and schedule it 125 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:20.279 to drop. We may figure something out. But our listeners, 126 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:24.759 they're incredible people. They understand that life happens sometimes and 127 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:25.639 it'll be okay. 128 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:27.000 And you know, when I go on a road trip, 129 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:30.959 I always like to research places to stop off, maybe 130 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:36.600 interesting roadside attractions or dining spots along the way. So 131 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:39.759 I am checking our route. I'm not quite sure if 132 00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:43.519 we're going to go through mostly West Virginia and to Ohio, 133 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:47.040 if we're just gonna go like Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio like 134 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:49.680 we have done in the past. But I am looking 135 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:53.360 for some interesting roadside attractions and places to dine. 136 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:56.959 Yeah, So if anyone out there knows are familiar with 137 00:06:57.000 --> 00:06:59.160 the route we may take. You'll know it if you're 138 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:03.439 near it. Hit us up, Let us know about the Giant, 139 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:05.920 the world's biggest ball of yarn or something like that. 140 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:08.199 Now, there's a place in West Virginia I do keep 141 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:11.079 seeing on social media, and it's called like Hillbilly Heaven. 142 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:14.120 I think that's what it's called. But it's a hot 143 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:18.120 dog like a roadside hot dog place where you can 144 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:19.800 also get married. It's a wedding chapel. 145 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:21.920 Dude, that sounds awesome. 146 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:24.879 I know, right. So I'm thinking maybe we should stop there, 147 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:28.079 either you know, going up or on our way back, 148 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:30.519 and maybe we were new our vows at the Hillbilly 149 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:33.000 hot dog stand. And then I'll but whatever, I'm not 150 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:34.000 sure what it's called. 151 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:37.480 And then I'll get you a foot long. Yeah, yeah, 152 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:37.959 I love. 153 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:40.319 I love a good hot dog. I'm not gonna lie. 154 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:43.800 I love a solid hot dog too. But I got 155 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:47.040 to say I have a hot dog story of my own. Recently, 156 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:51.079 there was a oh yeah, hot dog joint near where 157 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:56.240 I work at and we'd moved locations, so it's new 158 00:07:56.279 --> 00:07:59.639 to me, and I was like another day, I was 159 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:01.759 really hungry after I got off of work and I 160 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:03.639 was like, man, I'm going to grab I'm going to 161 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:05.160 grab one of those hot dogs. 162 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:07.720 Hot diggity dog, hot dog. 163 00:08:08.680 --> 00:08:11.800 No, no, no, You're like, how much can a hot 164 00:08:11.800 --> 00:08:12.079 dog be? 165 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:12.279 Right? 166 00:08:12.319 --> 00:08:14.360 If you're you getting just a dog? I already had 167 00:08:14.360 --> 00:08:17.639 my drink, had a little two for a dollar chips. 168 00:08:17.319 --> 00:08:19.439 It's like a hipster spot because I'm going to guess 169 00:08:19.439 --> 00:08:20.680 the hot dog was ten dollars. 170 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:23.639 It was two ninety Oh that's nothing. 171 00:08:23.879 --> 00:08:25.199 Was this economy hunt? 172 00:08:25.600 --> 00:08:27.759 Hey, I feel like that's high for the kind of 173 00:08:27.800 --> 00:08:28.680 hot dog I got. 174 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:30.480 Gas is four dollars a gallon right now. 175 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:33.480 Because this hot dog was so small, I didn't know 176 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:34.919 they made hot dogs this small. 177 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:36.200 It was like a tiny weenie. 178 00:08:36.360 --> 00:08:38.240 Yeah, it was like a mini dog. It was like 179 00:08:38.279 --> 00:08:40.559 two bites. I mean, I swear it was not a 180 00:08:40.600 --> 00:08:41.759 normal size hot dog. 181 00:08:42.519 --> 00:08:43.679 Oh it sounds cute. 182 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:45.720 I could eat like five of these five of these 183 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:48.360 hot dogs. I could eat fifteen dollars worth of hot dogs. 184 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:52.679 That's maybe that's what they're aiming for. That's their strategicy 185 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:54.039 right there in place. 186 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:57.960 The QT for two ninety five. 187 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:00.360 The Quick Trip Baby has a. 188 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:02.519 Much superior hot dog than this place. 189 00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:04.879 Yeah, may have like a special. It's like, what five 190 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:07.799 dollars you get like a dog, a drink and chips 191 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:10.759 for like five five ninety nine something like that. Yeah, yeah, 192 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:11.600 you can't beat it. 193 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:12.840 It's one of the best combos out. 194 00:09:12.879 --> 00:09:17.279 Dylan loves gas station cuisine. We've discussed this before, Dylan. 195 00:09:17.360 --> 00:09:19.360 Let's move on. We've got a lot to get to 196 00:09:19.759 --> 00:09:21.919 and one of the main stories I would like to 197 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:27.000 discuss is a video that has made its rounds on 198 00:09:27.080 --> 00:09:32.519 social media, and the story behind it is wild. So 199 00:09:32.840 --> 00:09:37.159 there's a video. Okay. Let me preface this by saying 200 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:41.399 a shooting happened in January when a man named Derek 201 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:46.000 Manigalt got into an argument with another man outside Jacob's 202 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:49.799 Food Mart in Gastonia, North Carolina, and then the confrontation 203 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:54.759 continued inside the store. Now in the video, Managalt can 204 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:57.240 be heard asking the men quote if you wanted to 205 00:09:57.279 --> 00:10:00.519 lose his life tonight, before pulling out what Invests stigators 206 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:04.080 later confirmed was a fake gun, right, but. 207 00:10:04.039 --> 00:10:06.200 It's a very realistic looking fake. 208 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:10.960 Manigal holding this replica firearm pointed toward the ground beginning 209 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:13.799 I'm sorry, began walking toward the exit, and that is 210 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:18.120 when an undercover Gastonia Police officer inside the store opened 211 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:22.360 fire a second plane closed. Detective outside heard the gunshots 212 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:25.000 and fired as Manigault ran out of the store with 213 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:31.159 the gun raised. Manigalt collapsed and later died at the hospital. Now, 214 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:33.360 this video has been making the rounds on social media, 215 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:37.840 and of course everyone has an opinion. Most people support 216 00:10:38.600 --> 00:10:41.759 the decision that was just released a day or so ago. 217 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:45.759 So this newly released video shows the moments leading up 218 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:49.639 to that deadly officer involved shooting, and the district attorney 219 00:10:49.720 --> 00:10:53.240 has ruled it is a justified homicide, meaning no charges 220 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:54.879 will be filed against the officers. 221 00:10:56.240 --> 00:11:01.159 And I saw the video totally unedited. It's since been 222 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:06.279 kind of censored and pulled from some social media sites, 223 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:11.600 and I have to say I fully agree with their 224 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:15.039 decision to not file charges against the officer. I think 225 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:21.159 everything about that video made it a justified shooting by 226 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:24.120 the officer. He was doing his job in my opinion. 227 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:27.080 Well, and it's report the District Attorney's office wrote that 228 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:30.240 the constitution quote does not require police to gamble with 229 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:32.960 their lives in the face of a serious threat. 230 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:36.840 Of harm or the lives of everyone else in that store, 231 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:40.000 Because I mean if you will, if you see this 232 00:11:40.159 --> 00:11:42.159 video and you'll you'll be able to find it somewhere. 233 00:11:42.159 --> 00:11:47.519 I'm sure I think many most people would agree that 234 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:49.759 if you'd been in that store, you would have. In 235 00:11:49.799 --> 00:11:53.320 this day and age of mass shootings and just the 236 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:55.240 gun violence that we see. 237 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:57.159 The hyper awareness we all have. 238 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:01.039 I think that if I've been in there, ought to 239 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:05.600 be like, Thank God, of course, no one knows that 240 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:06.440 this gun is fake. 241 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:07.960 It looks like a real gun. 242 00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:12.519 It's just on the video, utrue, realistic replica of a gun. 243 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:16.000 If if somebody's stuck this gun in your face, you'd 244 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:17.879 probably think it was a real gun. 245 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:20.720 Well, Dylan, of course you have folks out there who 246 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:25.080 are defending the I guess you would call him the 247 00:12:25.159 --> 00:12:29.720 victim in this case. Derek Manigault that police had no 248 00:12:29.840 --> 00:12:33.279 right to shoot that man. It could have been de escalated, 249 00:12:34.759 --> 00:12:39.120 that the police officer didn't identify himself before shooting the man. 250 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:43.360 But you can see clearly from the video Manigal exits 251 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:46.480 the store the cop is shooting, he turns around and 252 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:49.360 has his gun raised in the direction of the officer. 253 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:52.720 Yeah, and so he's been arguing with this guy. And 254 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:54.720 by arguing, I mean threatening. 255 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:56.840 Yeah, threatening him, I mean multiple times, do you want 256 00:12:56.840 --> 00:12:58.840 to lose your life tonight? I'm not the. 257 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:03.559 One A man whose transgression was saying what's up to 258 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:06.960 him outside the store in the parking lot, And so 259 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:10.919 from there it went to you know who? You you 260 00:13:10.960 --> 00:13:14.080 don't know who I am? Just a lot of posturing 261 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:15.519 and threats. 262 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:18.799 And the second fellow who said what's up explaining I 263 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:21.440 didn't mean anything by it. It was just a friendly hey, 264 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:21.960 what's up? 265 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:25.399 Yeah, you know reading And he's standing in the store 266 00:13:25.559 --> 00:13:27.399 saying do you want to asking the guy if he 267 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:29.879 wants to lose his life over and over again, then 268 00:13:29.960 --> 00:13:31.720 pulls a gun out and now he's holding a gun 269 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:37.360 in his hand. So, I mean, honestly, from everyone else's perspective, 270 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:41.240 what do you think the next move is? Because it 271 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:44.559 seems like this guy may be about to shoot this other. 272 00:13:44.879 --> 00:13:49.799 Person and potentially others in the store. Yeah, he doesn't 273 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:54.799 seem stable. It's not rational to pull a gun, much 274 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:57.399 less a fake gun on people. Well, anyway, let's get 275 00:13:57.399 --> 00:13:59.879 into Derek Manigau a little bit. Maybe some of his 276 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:04.159 defenders are unaware that he was only released from prison 277 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:11.120 in twenty twenty five after having served a number of years. 278 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:14.159 And what crime landed him in jail for years on end? 279 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:18.240 Well, in nineteen ninety eight, Derek assaulted a public official. 280 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:23.000 He communicated threats, He was charged with assault. He also 281 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:27.320 received a first degree burglary conviction as well as a 282 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:31.679 first degree rape conviction. All that in ninety eight. So 283 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:34.480 the guy's been in prison up until twenty twenty three 284 00:14:34.519 --> 00:14:40.799 when he was released. His parole was revoked, his post release, 285 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:44.159 you know, all of that was revoked. He served another 286 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:47.440 two years and was released in May of twenty twenty five. 287 00:14:47.799 --> 00:14:49.480 So the fella has only been out of prison a 288 00:14:49.559 --> 00:14:56.080 year after having served a pretty lengthy sentence on the 289 00:14:56.120 --> 00:15:00.840 heinous crime of rape, burglary, assault. Yeah, I insulting a 290 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:01.639 police officer. 291 00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:06.120 Yeah, these are serious charges. These aren't misdemeanors. These aren't 292 00:15:06.320 --> 00:15:09.159 you know, some silly situation where you lost your temper 293 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:12.879 or something like that and threatened someone there. These are 294 00:15:12.919 --> 00:15:20.360 significant violent crimes, multiple of them. And now the forty 295 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:24.399 four year old is dead. Now he's dead, but I 296 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:26.480 would argue that it's because of his own actions. 297 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:28.480 So it's definitely because of his own action. 298 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:29.679 You're convicted felon. 299 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:33.360 Think someone who just got out of prison after serving 300 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:37.879 this very lengthy sentence, would be minding their business and 301 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:38.559 watching their. 302 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:40.879 Ps and q's staying out of the way. 303 00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:42.639 And not carrying a fake gun. 304 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:47.000 So why does this grown man here? That's another interesting 305 00:15:47.039 --> 00:15:50.879 thing to think about. Why does this grown man have 306 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:57.360 a realistic fake gun? What's his intentions with that fake gun? 307 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:02.399 I mean, we don't know. We can't ask him. I mean, 308 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:07.120 unfortunately for him, he lost his life. But I could 309 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:09.919 come up with some ideas as to why he may 310 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:12.600 have this fake gun. For one, he pulls it out 311 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:15.960 and threatens someone on camera with it, So there's one 312 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:20.120 reason he carries this gun around. Could pure speculation on 313 00:16:20.120 --> 00:16:22.919 my part. Could it be to pull out on another victim, 314 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:27.200 another woman, and to get her and maybe rape her 315 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:30.440 because he's a rapist, or rob her, or rob her 316 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:33.279 and assault her, or scare someone if he breaks into 317 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:36.320 their house because he's a burglar. I mean, for all 318 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:37.559 we know, this is a person. 319 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:39.720 Who's completely incompatible with society. 320 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:41.799 Even after all those years he's not. 321 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:43.960 He did not learn a lesson by serving this time 322 00:16:43.960 --> 00:16:46.080 in prison. He gets out and then here he is 323 00:16:46.120 --> 00:16:50.120 a year later, laying on a cold, hard slab, dead 324 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:52.600 as a damn door nail because he acted a damn 325 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:55.759 fool And this is a perfect example a fuck around 326 00:16:55.759 --> 00:16:56.519 and find. 327 00:16:56.200 --> 00:16:57.600 Out it really is. 328 00:16:58.240 --> 00:17:01.879 And is just hard pressed to understand people who are 329 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:07.960 defending this fella Manigault, like he's just this poor victim 330 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:11.559 and how dare police shoot him? And I guess it's 331 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:14.359 you know, they don't know about his backgrounds, they don't 332 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:18.240 know that he's not supposed to have a firearm, even 333 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:19.480 if it's a fake firearm. 334 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:23.200 No, no, he's a convicted fellow and he's not supposed 335 00:17:23.240 --> 00:17:27.799 to possess or I'm not sure about the the rule 336 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:29.920 or the law against it being a fake gun, but 337 00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:33.519 I'm going to assume he would be in serious trouble 338 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:35.200 if you use that fake gun to commit a crime. 339 00:17:35.319 --> 00:17:38.880 Self defense is a serious it's a serious right. I 340 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:40.720 believe it's very serious right that we have in this 341 00:17:40.759 --> 00:17:43.519 country to be able to defend ourselves. And I'm not 342 00:17:43.559 --> 00:17:45.359 sure what is going on, but it seems like in 343 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:47.839 the last ten years we've seen a lot of folks 344 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:50.759 like this movement to get away from defending yourself and 345 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:54.480 that if you practice self defense that you're the villain somehow, 346 00:17:56.160 --> 00:18:00.440 and that the person who's actually committing the crime of 347 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:05.680 entering your home, assaulting you, trespassing on your property with 348 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:11.640 you know, malcontent in their brain. We're supposed to just 349 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:15.559 ignore those people when they're making threats, when they're physically, 350 00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:20.960 you know, imposing, they're in our space. Daniel Penny comes 351 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:24.279 to mind. Now we've got these officers shooting this fellow 352 00:18:24.319 --> 00:18:26.640 who's got a fake gun, but they don't know he's 353 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:28.720 a fake. It's a fake gun, waving it around, threatening 354 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:33.079 to kill people. You should have a right to defend yourself, absolutely, 355 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:37.680 And I just don't understand how you can rationalize that 356 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:38.240 that's wrong. 357 00:18:39.160 --> 00:18:42.200 It's like all the responsibility has been pushed onto the 358 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:45.279 potential victims in these cases. They're the ones who have 359 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:49.319 to make sure everything's perfect, everything's just right, and they 360 00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:52.599 have to try everything under the sun before they end up, 361 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:55.200 you know, going for deadly force or something like that. 362 00:18:55.720 --> 00:19:00.240 So I don't agree with that. I think that the 363 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:03.680 victims should get the benefit of a doubt in a situation, 364 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:09.160 not the criminal. If you are committing crimes, and I 365 00:19:09.160 --> 00:19:13.200 think our listeners know. I think burglary and stealing property 366 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:16.200 and things like that is a way more serious crime 367 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:20.400 than it's sometimes treated. I think breaking into someone's house, 368 00:19:20.440 --> 00:19:21.359 invading their sales. 369 00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:26.000 Say, if you're willing to be part of a home invasion, yes, 370 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:31.559 I mean to me, that's very violent in itself because 371 00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:34.960 when you go into someone's home, they could be there, 372 00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:37.119 people could be there, and that lets me know that 373 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:40.359 you are potentially willing to do harm to those people. 374 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:44.440 Right, and so if you have an overreaction from a 375 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:47.839 victim of these types of crimes, you know what wouldn't 376 00:19:47.839 --> 00:19:50.640 have happened if you hadn't committed that crime in the 377 00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:54.720 first place, they wouldn't have had their overreaction. 378 00:19:54.880 --> 00:19:57.400 Well, let's discuss this for a moment, Dylan. You get 379 00:19:57.440 --> 00:20:02.599 a lot of I guess defender people who are you know, 380 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:05.640 anti self defense and think you don't really have a 381 00:20:05.720 --> 00:20:09.039 right to pull a gun and shoot someone who's about 382 00:20:09.079 --> 00:20:11.359 to harm you or whatever, that that's not your right 383 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:17.079 to take their life. Most of the time, normal everyday 384 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:21.160 citizens like you and me, for example, and probably our listeners, 385 00:20:21.680 --> 00:20:26.359 we're not typically like dangerous psychopaths who are just itching 386 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:29.839 to pull a trigger and kill someone, right, right, most 387 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:33.440 normal people, that is the last thing you want to 388 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:37.559 do is to have blood on your hands. And I 389 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:39.839 do truly believe that most people who are put in 390 00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:42.680 a situation where they feel their life is at risk, 391 00:20:43.720 --> 00:20:46.880 that they must react, they have to do something. They 392 00:20:46.880 --> 00:20:49.640 are not people who are just looking for someone to 393 00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:53.440 shoot and kill. They're doing this and it goes against 394 00:20:53.480 --> 00:20:56.599 every fiber of their being. But they know it's me 395 00:20:56.759 --> 00:20:59.799 or you know it's me or you, it's me versus them, 396 00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:03.960 and they choose to protect themselves. Those people have to 397 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:06.240 live with that for the rest of their lives. They 398 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:09.680 live with guilt. I'm sure they live with, you know, 399 00:21:09.920 --> 00:21:13.880 constant reminders of what they've done. And even though they know, 400 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:17.240 like it was my life or this person's life, that's 401 00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:20.799