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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend. Now here is your host, DJ Leaves. All right,

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we get ready for a very intriguing card, the most

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prominent card worldwide will be in Rio, Saudi Arabia. Moses

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Etama and Dillian White in the main event, a Nick

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Ball feather Away title defense, and the co feature and

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a lot more. We're ready to preview that, a whole

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lot of news and much more. Welcome in. It is

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the Big Fight Weekend Preview podcast. I am the somewhat

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competent host TJ. Reeves. You are here for the man,

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the myth legend, fight Freaktion Nit is a substack for

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our insider, Big Dan Rayphiel. Good to be back with you,

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and look, we don't have to oversell this. This is

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intriguing what's about to happen this weekend, especially with Etama

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rising as he has and facing his most prominent named

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opponent today eight. We're ready to go over all of

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that and a lot more. How are you as we

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Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm fascinated by this main event for a

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lot of reasons. Some of the undercard fights as well.

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Don't think it should be a fifty dollars pay per view,

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but that's a different story altogether.

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Speaker 1: Another argument. We're going to talk business and pay per

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views a little later with Paramount Plus and the whole

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situation with UFC and we're trying to do boxing. We'll

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let's get into it. This is the main event, which

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will be Saturday afternoon US time of the read season

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des own pay per view show The Etama, who we've

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talked about a couple of times here in the build

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up fighting former world title challenger. I don't really know

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how much Dyllion White has left. As I said, it's

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the biggest name Ittama has fought to date. They had

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the press conferences on Thursday in Saudi Arabia. What are

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your thoughts here leading into this now for Saturday night?

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Speaker 2: In read this this is one of those fights where

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they say the rubber beats the road. We're gonna find

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out a lot about Moses Tama. We're gonna find out

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about what Dylan White has left. You know, you made

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the point you're not sure what he's got left. I

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can tell you out. No matter what he's got left,

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it's better than anything that Moses A. Tama has faced

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so far. He's had only one fight that you can

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even clause. I say it was like a decent, solid guy.

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That was Demse McKean who had gone d into the

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fight with Philip Perginvich and got stopped and Moses Atama

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looked very impressive two fights ago and knocked him out

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in the first round. That's all we really have to

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go on. I mean, but Moses, he's got the look, obviously,

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seems to have the disposition. I thought he came across

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really well in terms of his groundedness when I spoke

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to him, and I've seen some other interviews that he

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has done this week and some other comments that he

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has made. But the thing is, he just doesn't have

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the experience. And sometimes you know, if you rush a

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guy before he's ready, you pay that price. And Dylan

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White is a perfect sort of you know, litmus test

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if you will. This is a fighter in Dylan White,

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who was vastly experienced, who's been at the highest levels

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in the sport, fought a lot of top guys. The negative, though,

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but positive of your team a TAMA is that when

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he has stepped up to fight the best guys, he's lost,

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and he's lost by knockout. You go back a decade ago,

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he got stopped in a good fight, but somewhat one

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sided against Anthony Joshua. This is before Joshua had won,

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you know, any of the belts he had won as

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as a world title holder. He got absolutely annihilated with

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one punch by Alexander Poveki. He fight that he was

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otherwise dominating. That was a hilatious knockout. He obviously we

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know about his issues with the PDS and all that business.

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When he finally got the long away the title shot

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against Tyson Very in twenty twenty two, he was pretty

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much outclassed and then knocked out in the sixth round.

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Since then he has won three fights in a row,

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and while they're not super elite, you know, super top

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contender type wins. He beat Jermaine Franklin, who was undefeated

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at the time, who had you know, had a fight

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at some point where he did pretty well against Anthony Joshua.

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He beat the you know, the journeyman Christian Hamer, who

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has been in with everybody, but he stopped him in

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the third round. And then had a really rough, tough

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fight with Ebenezer Teta that took place in December that

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frankly was a lot tougher and went a lot longer

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than it probably should have based on Teta's previous results.

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But in the end White Stolle scored the seventh round knockout.

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So it comes into this fight off the layoff eight

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months for Dylan White, not that big of a Deal's

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almost months to the day, and he's taken on Atama

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and he's got all that experience. He looks in tremendous condition.

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the workout, seeing him at the press conference, seeing him,

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you know when he did the arrivals. Hearing from some

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of my British media colleagues that have seen him and

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talk to him, just really in a good spot. It

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feels like for this fight. And Atama, by the way,

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clearly excited for the fight, understands what it means. But

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again I go back to the experience thing. You cannot

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buy the experience. So Dylan White has nearly two hundred

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professional boxing rounds, fought for the world title, all the

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you know the name guys I've mentioned to you, and

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even though he's lost, he's still got that experience and

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he's got some good wins on his record also. But

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then you look at Atama and you know, even with

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the McKeen win, here's a kind that's twenty years old

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TJ twenty twenty seventeen year age difference between him and

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the thirty seven year old Dylan White. He's twelve and

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zero with ten knockouts. The thing that that blows my mind.

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I just mentioned Dylan White's got nearly two hundred round

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I think it's a hundred night two rounds as a pro.

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Speaker 1: Dylan White was out looking without looking. I don't know this.

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Atomas had twelve fights. You said Dillion Whites had how

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many rounds in his career?

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Speaker 2: One hundred ninety two.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Moses Atama has fewer than thirty rounds.

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Speaker 2: You would be correct, he has. This is the crazy

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stat though he has twenty five professional rounds. But here's

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the thing. Though two of those fights, early on his

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third professional fight and his fourth professional fight, each win

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six round distance fights. OK. So if you take away

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the two six rounders at the very beginning of his career.

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Speaker 1: The other ten fights are thirteen total rounds.

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Speaker 2: That is correct, including you know, mostly first shown knockouts.

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I mean, in the last fight that he had against

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Mike Balagan in May, he got into the second round

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before he knocked him out. When he fought Marius Wak,

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you know, the long faded but former title challenger, he

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got into the second round. But he's had a ton

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of first shown knockouts. So you just don't know. So

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if you said to me, Mosy Tom is going to

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walk in there and blitz Dylan White. I wouldn't be

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shocked if you said to me, you know what, Dylan White,

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he's got all that experience, he's got good power himself,

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and as a young kid that has never fought anybody,

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he's in over said he's gonna get wiped out, and

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he knocked out one. Shocked. Mean, if you told me

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they rumbled for ten rounds, I wouldn't be shocked either.

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The one thing that is also significant is just the

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mere fact that they made the match and that they're

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going in to again. The experience is what it's all about.

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But you got to look at the chin that White

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has shown and getting knocked out. You got to look

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at the age discrepancy. You got to look at the

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speed advantage that Moses has. You got to look at

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the fact that he's a Southpaw. I mean, he's got

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a lot going for him, and you have to think

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that his people did their homework. He's with Ben Davison,

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who knows how to deal with heavyweights. He's got a

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good team behind him. And you know, nothing against Dylan White,

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But if you want to see a guy that can

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emerge as a future of the heavyweight division. I'm not

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anti Dylan White, but you should want Moses the Toma

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to win this fight.

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Speaker 1: By the way, it would shock me if it is

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a very competitive slugfest type fight. That would shock me.

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I think this is one of those that a Toama

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more than likely comes in and overwhelms Dillian White. But

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we'll see. He is the veteran. I like him. I

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liken this too because we're both nostalgic to the rise

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of Mike Tyson. Again, you and I have qualified at

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numerous times. We're not saying he is Mike Tyson. He's

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got buzz. But when Mike Tyson was fighting, the names

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like Quick Tillis and you'll remember maybe the order better

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than I do, or Jesse Ferguson, his rise was going on.

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He was blitzing everybody. Those took a few rounds for

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him to and if I'm not mistaken, Quick Tillis went

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the distance with him, went the full one. But Jesse Ferguson,

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he he ended up getting to him, brutalizing him with

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an uppercut, breaking his nose. But it was like the

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fifth or sixth round. This is not.

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Speaker 2: A better grade.

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Speaker 1: I understand, but this is not dissimilar in the analogy

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that this is a large step up for a TAMA

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and it might take a fourth round a sixth round

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before we see him get to him. But I know what,

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I had the full expectation he's gonna get to him

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and knock him out. And if he doesn't, I don't know.

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I don't know what that means.

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Speaker 2: But you should have one of his career. You should

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want Dylan white to get some rounds. I mean for

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Tom to get some rounds in against Dylan Whitey if

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he wins the Let's put like this the best case

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scenario if you're a team Dylan team a Tama is

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obviously he wins a fight, gets a knockout, and has

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to go five to six rounds, show some metal and

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get him out of there. That would be the perfect thing.

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Then you could say I went rounds with a quality heavyweight,

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a guy that fought for the title, who's respected by all.

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I did what I was supposed to do. I won

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the fight, I got the knockout, and more importantly, I

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put some very very much needed rounds in the bank

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because I only have twenty five rounds and twelve fights

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going into this fight. That is so so little professional experience,

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and let's be honest, if you look at the beginning

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of his career, I mean he's fighting just complete directs

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right right, which is to be expected. I mean, you know,

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he had about twenty amateur fights according to box track.

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He was undefeated in that amateur campaign. But he didn't

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fight at the ultra high level in terms of international

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experience because he was so young, so he didn't go

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to the Olympics or anything like that. He is such

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a work in progress, but you can see the talent

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pour out of him when you watch the way he

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carries himself and the speed that he has in the

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way he throws his punches and his poise. And this

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is a big moment for the young man. And it's

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the main event. I mean, it definitely is. You got

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to look at it like that. The guy's never been

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in a main event before, so that's another thing that's

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different about this fight. So we'll say that's going to

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be interesting.

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Speaker 1: All right, stay tuned, and we're going to talk a

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little more in a second about what else could be next,

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because Philip Herkovich is obviously on the card too. But

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Nick Ball defends the WBA featherweight title in the co

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feature against Sam Goodman. Give me a little more on that.

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In the preview mode here Ball and entertaining. I keep

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referring to him as squat. I'm not. I'm not saying

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that in a disparaging way. He's just not very tall.

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He's thick for a featherweight like, for example, Rafael Espinoza

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is long, lanky. He might be like eight inches taller

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than Nick Ball.

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Speaker 2: He's like the same six feet tall, yes.

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Speaker 1: And nick nick Ball might be five six maybe not probably.

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Speaker 2: Not stop stop Nick Bolls five foot two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say depending I said.

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Speaker 2: I've joked around about it. Like, imagine the featherweight unification

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between Nick Ball and five to two and Raphael espino

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was at like six to one or whatever. I mean,

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it would be interesting. It was a fight. I'm gonna

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date myself. There was a fight years ago when Diego Corrals.

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maybe he still had his one hundred and thirty pounds belt.

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Diego Craalis was about five ten five eleven as one

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hundred and thirty pounder, and he was fighting John Brown,

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who was a long time sort of second tier contender,

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who was like again like five foot two, five foot

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three zero, really small guy, and they fought each other

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and it was like, you know, you need to be

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standing on a on a stool and a ladder in

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the ring to get it to him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, well, in the modern Sebastian Fundora has been

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significantly taller than most of the junior middleweight fighters that

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he's been fighting, making them look smaller, but still matter

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what way, Yeah, five to two, five to two is

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definitely not that big, all right. One kind of threat

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is Sam Goodman, the Australian in this fight. In your mind,

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what do you think?

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Speaker 2: Goodman is undefeated? He's twenty and oh with eight knockouts.

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He doesn't have a very uh uh recognizable group of

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guys in his record. He does have a win by Thisson,

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for example, against TJ. Dohaney, who was a featherweight title

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holder or a junior featherweight title holder. So he's beaten

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those types of guys, but there's not a lot to recognize.

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But he was, as you recall, he was the mandatory

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for in a way at one hundred and twenty two.

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He got cut, the fight was postponed, the cut opened

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again when he went to redo. When the fight was rescheduled,

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when he was sparring once again, it got canceled. They

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bypassed him. So he kind of got ast out of

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the title shot, and so now he's moving up in

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weight to have this fight. He since that situation, he

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did come back and have one sort of you know,

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warm up fight he fought in May. He won a

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ten round decision, just fighting a slightly over the one

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hundred and twenty two pounds limit. Now he's fighting as

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a full fledged featherweight. He's obviously a clear underdog against

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Nick Ball, who right now is looking good, undefeated and

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been you know, not mowing guys down, but winning in

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exciting fights and doing you know, he's been knocking guys out.

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He also, you know, in his less defensive took place

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earlier this year in March, he stopped Ohany in round ten.

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He had the big split decision win over Raymond Ford

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that won him this title. Before that, he fought to

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the draft, challenging Ray Vargas for the WB seatbelt. He

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fight that many people thought that Nick Ball was the

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rightful winner. I thought, yeah, yeah, He's got the win

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over Isaac Dogbay, which was a good win from that

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was in a I believe that was a total eliminator.

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I mean, so he's got some nice names on the record.

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He's got the win over Isaac Low by knockout. So

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Nick's been doing his work. I mean, I think right

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now you'd have to say, based on the level of

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activity and the opposition faced. With all due respect to

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Rafael Espinoza, but Nick Ball probably would rank number one

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in the featherweight division at the moment. So this is

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a defense. You know, he's going to have a mandatory

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to do. You know, it's unfortunate it's not already happening.

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But nonetheless, Nick makes great fights that he's a very

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exciting fighter. Pressure pressure, pressure pressure. Goodmane's gonna have to

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be on his game because right now Nick looks looks

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the part. I mean, he has the stamina. You know.

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I feel like he's a guy that if there's fifteen

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round fights, he'd be okay with that, even though we

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live in the world of twelve round fights. And if

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he wins against Goodman, it's another solid win on his

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record against an undefeated guy, and if Goodman wins, it's

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going to be a big upset, will be huge for

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Australian boxing. And one of the things about this fight also,

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and I don't know if Nick Ball knows it, feels

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it or thinks about it, but for dorks like me,

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you look at this and you think about the great

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amount of champions and top fighters from the UK over

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the million less hours where boxing was invented. He's the

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only male world champion from the UK at the moment.

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Speaker 1: How about that which he made some people on that

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trivia question, who's the only current British world champion?

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Speaker 2: Of the four major organizations, he is the only one.

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So it reminds me of the recent anniversary that just happened.

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That was the anniversary of the rematch between Oleg Maskiv

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and Hassim Rockman. Hassim Rockman at the time was the

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WBC heavyweight title and obviously Oleg Maskiv was from Kazakhstan

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and at that time the other three so Rockman had

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the WBC belt. The other three title holders were from

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various former Soviet republics and back then, this is like

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fifteen years ago, absolutely unheard of for any of the

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belts to be not held by an American, much less

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none of the belts held by an American. So they

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named the They named the pay per view America's last

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line of defense, And sure enough, Oleg Maskiv went in

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the ring in a solid close fight. He knocked Rockman

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out in the twelve round and won the title, and

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that gave the former Soviet countries the clean sweeper with

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Sergey Layakovich, Oleg Naskiv, Klitschko, and Nikolai Valuev and no

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Americans held outs. And so nick Ball is facing that

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scenario where the fact that there could be a moment

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in time without a single British male world champion is

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crazy now.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I share with the audience all

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the time, you and I do this on video hookup.

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They see social media clips of us sometimes put stuff

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up on YouTube. Right Field just did all of that

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off the top of his head without looking at anything.

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You scare me, But.

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Speaker 2: In my own defense, I should scare you. But I

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the reason I remember that so vividly is because I

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had posted a thing about on the anniversary on my

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social media.

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Speaker 1: But still you ran all the names off and I'm

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saying to the audience, you weren't looking at that when

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you added it all off, looking at me. And let's

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hear it for Nick Ball being active. We talk about

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activity all the time. This is, by my math, his

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sixth fight, going back to May of twenty three, in

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twenty six months. There's a lot of fighters that don't

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fight four times.

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Speaker 2: Actually, if you go from twenty sixth from me twenty

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three when he had this was before he won the title.

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But this will be actually a seventh fight.

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Speaker 1: Seventh fight, excuse me, I even miscounted.

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Speaker 2: It'll be a second of this year. He fought three

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times in twenty twenty four and he had how.

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Speaker 1: Many times has Charedce Crawford fought in the last twenty

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six months? That would be two? Am I correct? Nick?

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And I realized different great fighter right now, but seven.

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Speaker 2: Times a lot of different money also, Nick.

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Speaker 1: Right, but seven times is still active. Let's hear it

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for activity, keeping his name out there totally and making

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himself more relevant. Now, let's see if he delivers in

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the fight with Goodman. All right, now, proceed down the undercard,

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including Philip Hergovich is back. Hergovich, by the way, was

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singing at the Did you see this singing on Thursday

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at the press conference the hip hop Let's get down,

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Let's get down to busy. He was quoting the lyrics

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with the Eastern European accent.

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Speaker 2: I'll just he say, broo, I say, stick to being

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a heavyweight boxer, stick to here.

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Speaker 1: I still like I still like it that he's ready

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to get down to business to win this fight and

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then maybe look ahead to fighting Ytama. All right, what

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about David?

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Speaker 2: Sure he's gonna I don't think they're going to make

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the Atama fight, but maybe. But anyway, here's the thing

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I mentioned you about Demsey McKean. The one sort of

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pause I name that that he Tama has on his record.

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He took he got knocked out by Philip Parkovich, but

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he took him into the twelfth round to do it.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Then he had his first fight with the Saudis. He

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scored the first round knockout against Mark Damurray in one

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of the most I would say this, and I think

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this is saying a lot, because the Saudis have put

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on really outstanding cards for the most part of every

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single boxing match of like the main card caliber fights

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that they have done. Herkovic Damori was probably the biggest

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worst mismatch of any fight they've done since they've been involved.

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But after that fight, he fought for the interim title

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and was a heavy favorite. This was June of last

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year when he fought Daniel Dubac and it was a

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tremendous battle and Duwa cut him up and the you know,

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we ended up having bad cuts over both eyes and

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the fight got stopped in the eighth round on a

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TKO and so Danga Dua became the interim IBF title.

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The ultimately he was elevated, and we know what's happened

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since then. So that's the one loss that Hergivichad, who

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was a top notch amateur. It was an Olympic medal winner.

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You know, he was, you know, one of the best

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amateurs for many many years. He came off of that

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loss to Dua, he was off about ten months, came

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back this past April, scored a unanimous decision in a

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pretty good performance. He won pretty clearly wide on two

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scorecards over Joe Joyce, who you know doesn't seem to

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have a whole lot left and so now you know,

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it's a matter of Okay, let's stay busy. And he

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takes on David Adelie, who is also a guy with

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just the one loss fourteen and one. And this is

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a British fighter who has won two fights in a

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row since on a read season card. Also, this is

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back at the late part of twenty twenty three. This

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was at the time, this was like a toss up fight.

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Nobody really there was a lot of differing opinion like

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that either a deliated win. He fought Fabio Wardly. This

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was a British and Commonwealth title, so it was like

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a big deal within the British boxing community. And in

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the end Wardley stopped him in the seventh round and

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so that was a pretty rough loss for him. He

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has won two fights in a row since then. And

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so as I said Herkievich has got the one win

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over Joyce since his loss. This guy's won two in

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a row since his loss. Both were stoppage losses, and so, uh,

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these guys are fighting for position. It's you know, either

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whoever wins this fight is gonna really take a nice

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step forward and be in consideration, whether it's a tom

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or it's a top contender, or it's somebody else. And

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the loser is going to take a step to the

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back of the line to some degree. So anytime you

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can take two maybe not the top five heavyweight contenders

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and I would say Philip Party, but you could still

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argue should be ranked in the top ten. A Delier

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probably falls a little bit outside of the top ten,

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but not by a whole lot. And the making. They

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just made a nice match, similar records and give this

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card some depth.

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Speaker 1: And also Raymond Ford, who you've been talking about here

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in this preview, will fight your boy, Abraham super Nova,

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my boy in a junior lightweight battle. Also, so I

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mean you get to I mean it is a pay

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per view, but least you're getting some meat on the

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bone here because.

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Speaker 2: This is good.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Ford has looked good, you know, he was. He held

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the featherweight belt. He had the loss, like we discussed,

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a super close split decision loss in nick Ball. That

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was back in June of last year. He has won

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the two fights in a row since then since then

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though heat in both of those fights, he had moved

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up two one hundred and thirty pounds. He was really

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straining to make one twenty six. He was talking about

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going to one thirty. You know, win or lose. In

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that fight against Nick Ball, he lost. He moved up,

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like I said, one two fights a row will both

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by decision. Look pretty damn good against Thomas Matiz. That

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was the most recent fight that took place in April.

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And so now he's in this fight with Abraham Nova.

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Not a championship fight or anything like that, but Nova.

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You know, he is my boy. I've always been a

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fan of his just from the mere fact he's from

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my hometown where I was born, Albany, New York. So

474
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you know, I've followed him and I've gotten him a

475
00:21:50,319 --> 00:21:52,000
little bit cool guy. You were with us actually then

476
00:21:52,039 --> 00:21:55,400
he come up, yes, leaving the arena after Spence and Crawford.

477
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Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, right right, Yeah, so.

478
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,759
Speaker 2: But but as much as I as I love Nova

479
00:22:00,079 --> 00:22:03,839
a personality, cool guy, uh, fun fighter, for the most part,

480
00:22:04,839 --> 00:22:06,759
he's this is like.

481
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 1: At the end, at the end.

482
00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I don't. I don't want to say bad

483
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,359
about him, but here's the bottom line. Uh, he got

484
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,480
his big opportunity, got stopped in the fifth round by

485
00:22:15,519 --> 00:22:17,359
Robesi Ramirez. That was in a title eliminated. This is

486
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,640
when he was still fighting that featherweight. After that fight,

487
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,079
he moved up to junior. Leighway won a couple of fights,

488
00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:25,200
but not against big time names. Then he lost a close,

489
00:22:25,279 --> 00:22:28,480
close fight in a split decision to O'shaki Foster. He

490
00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:31,200
challenged him for the WBC title and even in the loss,

491
00:22:31,559 --> 00:22:33,480
like he still looked pretty darn good. But then he

492
00:22:33,559 --> 00:22:37,160
lost to Andres Cortes. He got a split draw against

493
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:38,559
a guy he should have run out of the ring

494
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,680
in Hermberto Gala Glindo. That was in November of last year.

495
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,039
He did win his last fight on a on a

496
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small club card. Uh, they actually did the last fight

497
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he was in the there was a local promoter in

498
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the Boston area that they did a card like on

499
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the concourse at Fenway Park, and he fought on that

500
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,920
show when he got a victory. And so now he

501
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,079
gets the opportunity now. He was not the original opponent

502
00:22:59,279 --> 00:23:01,640
for Raimond. For it, Raymond was supposed to fight somebody

503
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,599
else and the name escapes me at the moment, but

504
00:23:04,039 --> 00:23:06,079
they got uh, you know, and it's not like it

505
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,640
happened yesterday. He's had several weeks notice to fill in,

506
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,319
but he is now taking this opportunity. And while I'm

507
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,599
I'm loath to say, like you know, if he doesn't win,

508
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,480
his careers over, but it would behoove him to at

509
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,039
the very least perform well in this particular situation because

510
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,319
he's not then on the greatest streak in terms of wins. Uh,

511
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,559
he really needs at the very least, like I said,

512
00:23:27,559 --> 00:23:31,119
he needs a good performance in this fight to sort

513
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,000
of keep things going, you know what I mean. It's

514
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,720
it's uh, it's been dicey for him, but uh, he's

515
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,319
a pretty good fighter. He's still going to give you, uh,

516
00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:40,519
still going to give you a pretty good run for

517
00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:42,559
your money. And by the way, just our dawned to me,

518
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,200
it was Ford who was originally scheduled to fight Anthony Kassachi,

519
00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:48,279
who had pulled out because of a back injury.

520
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Speaker 1: There you go, yes, And that was about they were

521
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,079
trying to have that fight as a payday because Kasachi

522
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:58,000
vacate vacated his belt right in the last couple of fights.

523
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Speaker 2: So that was so he's had so that was about

524
00:24:01,559 --> 00:24:05,079
a month ago, and the Abraham Nova was brought in,

525
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,119
you know, within a few days or so after that,

526
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,240
So he's had about a month to prepare for the fight.

527
00:24:09,319 --> 00:24:11,680
And also the good thing about Nova, he's if you're

528
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familiar with him, he typically is a guy that stays

529
00:24:14,039 --> 00:24:16,119
in pretty good condition between fights. He doesn't go out

530
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,200
and run around and put on a thousand pounds or

531
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,160
anything like that, so he should be ready to go.

532
00:24:20,279 --> 00:24:23,400
And Raymond Ford making the switch. Also, you know he's

533
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,759
got to face new opponent, so I feel like this

534
00:24:25,759 --> 00:24:28,799
this could be somewhat competitive. But I'm a little worried

535
00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:29,319
about my boy.

536
00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: I understand. And yeah, because you always do this, I'm

537
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,640
gonna put this up on a team. Lets you smack

538
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,480
it like Aaron Judge five hundred feet. Everybody bothers you

539
00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:39,759
about when is the fight card starting, When is the

540
00:24:39,799 --> 00:24:43,200
main event happening. It's now on a platter. Put it

541
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,680
out there for them before you get fifty seven social

542
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,160
media inquiries on Saturday.

543
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,839
Speaker 2: I will still get inquiries and I will post something

544
00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:52,519
about it in the next day or so. Besides the

545
00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:54,279
four main fights that we just spoke about, there's two

546
00:24:54,319 --> 00:24:58,160
other bouts on the card. There's the Saudi prospect, undefeated

547
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,119
kid who's from Riad named Muhammad al Kyle, who's fought

548
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,559
on some of these cars before he's in a six

549
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,200
rounder that will open the show, and then for whatever reason,

550
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:06,839
they slotted this in the middle of the show, even

551
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,000
though it's not a big fight. There's the Japanese Prospect

552
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,000
that Turkey al Hika is very high on. In the

553
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,480
Folks Are Reat season, hayatos Satsumi, he is taking on

554
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,240
a British opponent a ten rounder that's sort of in

555
00:25:18,279 --> 00:25:20,240
between in the middle of the show. So all those

556
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,279
six fights are on the show. Start time to his

557
00:25:23,319 --> 00:25:26,200
own pay per view twelve forty five pm Eastern Time

558
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,559
on Saturday, main event. You know, do the math. One

559
00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:31,640
thing that's interesting in terms of this pay per view,

560
00:25:32,079 --> 00:25:34,119
while it may be a little earlier than sometimes we

561
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:39,240
expect because there's only one twelve rounder, the Saudi Prospect

562
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,079
fight is a six rounder. The nick Ball fight, obviously

563
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,039
as a world championship fight, is a twelve rounder. But

564
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,279
the other four bouts are scheduled ten rounders.

565
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: All right, so be prepared what you're saying without saying it.

566
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,400
The main event might might come off as soon as

567
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,440
like five Eastern time, depending on how quick the other

568
00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:57,880
fights are because they don't have that many long fights.

569
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And the Atama White fight again is a schedule ten

570
00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:05,039
round fight, so stay tuned and adjust your time zone accordingly,

571
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,039
and it'll be primetime in the UK. It'll be late

572
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,559
night in Riod for the especial.

573
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Speaker 2: I got to say one other thing about that though,

574
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And while I said we've said we liked the card,

575
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,880
I don't understand the especially now that they've said they're

576
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,759
not going to be doing these on pay perview anymore.

577
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,680
Like when they do that card November twenty second with

578
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,799
Benavetez against you know, when he does the fight in Saudiyraby,

579
00:26:23,799 --> 00:26:25,400
he's going there to do the fight with Anthony Ard

580
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and that loaded show with you know, a bunch of

581
00:26:28,599 --> 00:26:31,559
other good fights, Devin Hainey against Brian Norman, et cetera.

582
00:26:33,079 --> 00:26:34,880
How is this a pay per view? In what world

583
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,119
they're charging fifty dollars in the United States for this

584
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,559
fight TJ the zones in a couple hundred three hundred

585
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:43,240
thousand homes, you know, or apps or the subscriptions in

586
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,160
the United States, whatever you want to say. I don't

587
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,799
know if this fight card does five thousand buys, not

588
00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:51,680
because it's a bad card, but it hasn't got it.

589
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 1: The middle of Saturday afternoon it's still summertime, and these

590
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,039
are not household names in the United States.

591
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Speaker 2: They add that all together bad time location. I'm not

592
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,200
saying Saudi Arabia is a bad place, but from from

593
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,799
the point of view of an American view where it's

594
00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:07,480
not conducive. Like you said, not a lot of big names,

595
00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:11,119
none of these main fights on this other than Forward

596
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:16,440
and Is and the Nova American, but not big name America.

597
00:27:16,519 --> 00:27:19,400
I just don't I don't understand what this should be

598
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,720
part of your dessowne subscription that would give that heft.

599
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,359
Why you pay two hundred and fifty dollars for the year,

600
00:27:25,799 --> 00:27:26,759
so I'm at a loss.

601
00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:28,599
Speaker 1: I agree, And Britain it's.

602
00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 2: A twenty pounds on pay per view at least the

603
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,920
main event is you know, you know a big British.

604
00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: Have you wait tould lead? I mean we we agree,

605
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,400
we're in lockstep. What would lead them to believe that

606
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,200
you should charge twice as much to the American audience

607
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,640
when it's earlier in the day. I just that's it's

608
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,559
a broken it's a broken part of the television or

609
00:27:49,599 --> 00:27:52,200
broadcast system. What what pay per view and pay per

610
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,640
view pricing is. I'm going to get into that a

611
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:54,839
little more here, and just.

612
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,279
Speaker 2: To say this though, but the fact that they've alread

613
00:27:57,279 --> 00:27:59,119
announced they're going to end their pay per view stuff,

614
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,960
I don't know why they're waiting until November. So that

615
00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:04,640
was my perspective on it. The other thing is especially.

616
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Speaker 1: But especially paying double what you're paying in the UK.

617
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Speaker 2: We've always do there.

618
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: This was a nineteen ninety five pay per view, it

619
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,440
might be a little more enticing. Maybe not. Maybe a

620
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,559
lot of the American consumers wouldn't pay four ninety five

621
00:28:16,599 --> 00:28:16,880
for it.

622
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, but pricing has been all over the place.

623
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,480
Some of them were twenty, some were thirty, some were forty.

624
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,480
I'm not sure what rises this went to the level

625
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,480
of fifty. Look, I've never had a problem with pay

626
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,920
per view. I think your normal boxing fan and or

627
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:34,119
sports consumer understands and is not aggravated when the biggest

628
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,519
fights possible are on pay per view. And I know

629
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:38,319
that it's not on pay perviwhen we're all happy, it's

630
00:28:38,319 --> 00:28:41,160
not when Canelo and Crawford fight. It's on live, regular

631
00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:44,400
subscription Netflix. But if this was the older days and

632
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,680
that was a normal like sixty dollars pay per view

633
00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:49,799
or seventy dollars pay per view or whatever. People be like, yeah,

634
00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:51,200
I get it, and then people would have parties and

635
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,200
it would be a big deal, right ordering their food,

636
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,240
and nobody would be upset.

637
00:28:54,079 --> 00:28:55,759
Speaker 1: About if they have. So I get what you're saying.

638
00:28:55,759 --> 00:29:02,160
They've so oversaturated, they've so overcharged show, they've overcharged, They've oversaturated.

639
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,359
It's stupid, all right, So that's going to segue us

640
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,039
into the news. All right, So, speaking of the Canelo

641
00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:11,720
Crawford fight and the main event, the undercard has now

642
00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:14,480
been officially announced. Let's cover that and then we'll get

643
00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:18,119
into the new deal that Paramount has done for UFC

644
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:22,720
and how allegedly they are now saying the Ultimate Fighting

645
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:25,680
Championships they're not going to have pay per views anymore.

646
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,359
Stay tuned, though, We're going to debate that and discuss

647
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,160
that a couple of moments. But Canello Crawford undercard, since

648
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,079
you brought that up, they have announced the two primary

649
00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:34,400
fights beneath it go ahead.

650
00:29:35,319 --> 00:29:37,799
Speaker 2: Well that the non primary fight, and that's is predicated

651
00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:41,680
on what happens tomorrow on Saturday. If the Saudi prospect

652
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,319
Muhammad Alaca wins, supposedly he's going to be on this

653
00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:49,039
undercard in another fight you know, a month after his

654
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:51,079
fight that will take place this weekend. But the two

655
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,319
main fights that would be of interest you have the

656
00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:57,480
co feature, which is the prospect in the germiddweight division,

657
00:29:57,519 --> 00:30:00,200
undefeated Kallum Wallsh So we've talked about we had on

658
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,440
the podcast one time. Who is primarily had all of

659
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,519
his fights for the last since you got to be

660
00:30:06,519 --> 00:30:08,640
at least a seven or eight of his fights have

661
00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:12,039
been on UFC Fight Pass. He's promoted by Tom Loffler.

662
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,759
Dana White from UFC and now ZUFA Boxing is a

663
00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:18,319
big Calum Walsh fan. He's got a friendship with Tom

664
00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:21,839
Loffler and so is. I expected this when they first

665
00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:25,200
announced that Dana would be promoting this event, I knew

666
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:27,640
right off the bat. I said, guarantee, unless there's an injury,

667
00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:30,039
you'll see Callum Walsh on this card. I didn't necessarily

668
00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:32,200
think he'd be in the co future, but at least

669
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,839
they've made a reasonable match for him. They've matched him

670
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,400
up with Fernando Vargas Junior, who is the older brother

671
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,160
of Emiliano Vargas and their other brother that also fights.

672
00:30:42,119 --> 00:30:45,400
So he's the oldest of the three fighting Vargas brothers,

673
00:30:46,079 --> 00:30:48,839
so he's in an opportunity. They're both undefeated. Callumus fourteen

674
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,440
and oh, Fernando Junior is seventeen and oh, and I

675
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,400
mean to me, that's an interesting match. I'm not sure

676
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,880
it's co future worthy, but obviously Callum's Callum Walsh has

677
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,720
the connections. But Fernando Vargas he's a little older. He's

678
00:31:01,759 --> 00:31:04,359
twenty eight years old in a southpaw. Callum is quite

679
00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:06,960
a bit younger, not his experience, He's only twenty four

680
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,400
years old, also a southpaw, so they're not going to

681
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,000
be having the heads clanking together like often happens. So

682
00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:15,079
that's the co feature. And then the other fight they

683
00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:17,680
made this is actually I think this is dynamite matchmaking.

684
00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:20,200
Not huge name recknish, but I think this is a

685
00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:24,039
pretty damn good fight. Christian Manbilly who hopes to be

686
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,240
a future Canelo Alvarez opponent. He is going to defend

687
00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:30,880
the WBC Interim Super Middlewhite title against Lester Martinez, who

688
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,440
was undefeated, who is a very entertaining fighter who's been

689
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,119
on a lot of the recent A lot of his

690
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,000
recent fights have been on pro box cards. He's with

691
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,079
Probox and so this is that next fight down the show,

692
00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:43,599
and I think this is going to be a good

693
00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:45,799
action fight. These guys are both guys that come to fight,

694
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,200
both guys that can knock you out. Lester Martinez had

695
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,799
a little bit of some issues. He had to pull

696
00:31:50,839 --> 00:31:53,119
out of a recent fight because of my grains. He's

697
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,640
had some other injury issues that have caused him to

698
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,279
be out of other fights. But he is coming off

699
00:31:58,319 --> 00:32:00,839
a fight in March where he looked good corn a knockout,

700
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,799
and we all know what Mobilly's doing.

701
00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:07,079
Speaker 1: He's we're high on Mobilly and this is a big

702
00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:11,920
opportunity for him because there's some speculation that he could

703
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,000
be a guy if if if Canelo is fighting in

704
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,119
Saudi Arabia next year, he could.

705
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,359
Speaker 2: Not not even if he's fighting wherever he's fighting. But

706
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,960
the main thing though is Mabilly. You know he two

707
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,599
fights go, he got, he went the distance and he

708
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:27,200
just beat up on Sergei devron Chenko uh in his

709
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,039
most recent fight, he was very impressed when he knocked

710
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:31,359
out Celeski in the first round. Celeski only even stopped

711
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:33,640
one time by Diego Pacheco. A little bit further in

712
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,359
the fight and was stopped, uh for the first time

713
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,119
in that doubt, and he just walked right through him.

714
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,039
And uh so this is all right again, this is

715
00:32:41,079 --> 00:32:42,440
going to have a lot of eyeballs on it too.

716
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,000
So I think what they were trying to do is

717
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:47,200
let's make a somewhat meaningful fight. Let's have it so

718
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:50,000
it means something. You know, if the guy that's the

719
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:52,000
winner is in the same weight class as our main

720
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,200
event with Crawford and Canelo, and by the way, uh,

721
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,160
based on the way Mobilly fights and the way Lesser

722
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,400
Martinez fights in the ring, it should go be an

723
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,400
interesting fight. And obviously it got this spot because if

724
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,279
you go and you look at the various comments at Turkey,

725
00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:07,000
Alshka has made, you know, he mentioned this fight specifically,

726
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,880
and he mentioned Christian Mobiliy is a guy he wanted

727
00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:10,880
to have on the card. So there's a lot riding

728
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:12,960
on a good performance by both of these guys.

729
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: All right. So again that is for September and the

730
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:22,599
Canelo Crawford fight card on Netflix are a paramount plus

731
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,039
in the news this week as they have landed the

732
00:33:26,119 --> 00:33:32,000
Ultimate Fighting UFC, ripping it away from ESPN and doing

733
00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:36,400
so with a do not chuckle at this seven point

734
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:42,359
seven billion dollar deal. To put that in context, that

735
00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:46,359
is ridiculously more money than the rights fee for the

736
00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:50,000
World Series and Baseball on Fox right now. It is

737
00:33:50,119 --> 00:33:53,839
ridiculously more money, lower rated than the Stanley Cup Playoffs

738
00:33:53,839 --> 00:33:58,200
get from all of their broadcast partners. Ultimate Fighting has

739
00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:02,240
cashed in Kids In and this deal with Skydant Slash Paramount.

740
00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:05,359
Speaker 2: I want to put this in perspective. They're getting. It's

741
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,640
a seven year deal for seven point seven billions. So

742
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,679
the average I don't know if it's going to be

743
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:11,880
exactly the same rights every year. It's going to fluctuate,

744
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,440
but the average value is one point one billion perio.

745
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,840
I can do basic math. So that's for all UFC content,

746
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,079
the whole thing. The numbered events, which are the pay

747
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:23,800
per views, which they say are not going to be

748
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,559
on pay per view anymore, they'll also be on Paramount Plus,

749
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,159
They'll they'll simulcast them on CBS. DAINA White did leave

750
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:33,119
a little caveat and for in a certain instance of

751
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:35,400
a quote unquote special event, they still might do a

752
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,639
pay per view, which, by the way, I think that's fine,

753
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,800
but by and large it's not going to be the

754
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,000
monthly pay per views anymore. And there are other you know,

755
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,679
they're fight night shows, their shoulder programs, their you know,

756
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,920
contender series, all that business, everything on Paramount Plus and

757
00:34:51,559 --> 00:34:54,960
you know cast on CBS. But but I want to

758
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,320
put in perspective as we're a boxing show, not a

759
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,440
UFC show, But to just explain what's so massive about this.

760
00:35:01,679 --> 00:35:03,559
First of all, I think the seven point seven billion

761
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,360
is more than Paramount was bought for when they were

762
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,800
purchased in the first place, or I sky Da. Yeah,

763
00:35:11,079 --> 00:35:13,480
so that's one thing. But but put it in context

764
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,679
to boxing. When Top Ranks Top Rank ESPN deal was

765
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:23,440
going on, they were getting from ESPN annually around eighty

766
00:35:23,519 --> 00:35:27,079
to ninety million dollars a year. They're getting one point

767
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:31,679
one billion dollars per year. You could do ten years

768
00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:35,199
of top rank contsting for not a year.

769
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, basically not equal to one year on this deal.

770
00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:42,079
Speaker 2: And I mean, look, i mean I'm a I'm a

771
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:44,039
boxing guy, so and I'm not here to insult the

772
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:45,880
UFC by any stretch of the imagination. But I'm just

773
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,519
making the point though that it's not like the numbers

774
00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:51,800
were being generated by the pay per views that USC

775
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,880
was doing with ESPN or their rocket shows were ten

776
00:35:56,199 --> 00:35:58,360
x of what Top Rank was doing, but they were

777
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,000
their rights went for ten compared to what Top Rank was. Yeah,

778
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,960
so so to me, Top Break is like a bargain.

779
00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 1: Right now, we corect and let's let's see what they

780
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,320
end up doing. But to that point and then we're

781
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,000
going to move it to boxing here with the same

782
00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:13,360
thing with Dana White and Zepha boxing like you're talking about.

783
00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:17,039
But it's interesting when you're talking about how much you're

784
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:21,639
willing to pay for example, crossover sports. NBC, all right

785
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:26,119
is paying six billion with a B dollars in the

786
00:36:26,199 --> 00:36:29,880
new NBA deal and they didn't get everything. They didn't

787
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,119
even get the NBA Finals, they got the All Star Game,

788
00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:36,639
they got playoff games, they got whatever, and the ratings

789
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,760
don't really demonstrate they should be NBC paying that much,

790
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,800
But it is what are you willing to pay because

791
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,599
you want the content, and Paramount obviously is willing to

792
00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:52,440
pay this with UFC and with Dana Whites' organization because

793
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,639
they want the content and plus they're keeping it away

794
00:36:54,639 --> 00:36:55,519
from their competitors.

795
00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:58,679
Speaker 2: Well, here's here's your thing about it. The longer they

796
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,559
lock them in. For if you were a Paramount plus

797
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,639
two things, or any streaming service for that matter, a

798
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,079
you have you know what your budget is, like the

799
00:37:08,159 --> 00:37:11,000
cost is locked in. You know here in twenty twenty

800
00:37:11,039 --> 00:37:14,199
five that in two thousand and thirty one, what's your

801
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,920
cost for this asset is going to be number one

802
00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:19,800
and number two. What is very important for any streaming

803
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,800
service is the folks that are the fan of whatever

804
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,599
it is. It's a widget, if it's a boxing show,

805
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:28,039
if it's a UFC show, if it's a movie, a series,

806
00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:31,559
a documentary series, whatever the case may be. You want

807
00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:33,440
people to know they're going to have that content. So

808
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,719
if you lock in a product like UFC, you know

809
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,719
that every single month you're going to have something and

810
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,719
theoretically something pretty big for your viewers, and it's going

811
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,679
to mean less reason to cancel. It's the same exact

812
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,920
concept when pay cable became a thing and HBO and

813
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,920
Showtime were doing boxing. It was Okay, we have this

814
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,599
fight on a Saturday night, and they would promote the

815
00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:56,320
next fight on Saturday night and they're like, oh, that's

816
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,440
a good fight. So nobody was going to cancel because

817
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,719
I knew that you know three or four later they're getting

818
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,159
another significant fight. And so if you're streaming service, Paramount

819
00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:06,840
Plus or anybody else, you know that for the period

820
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,239
of seven years, you can count on the fact that

821
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,440
those fans are gonna be with you because there's not

822
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,679
going to be necessarily a reason to cancel, and they're

823
00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:16,079
gonna have that money coming in, and they're going to

824
00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:18,960
know their costs are already built in. They know when

825
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,199
they do their budget, like I said, it's five, six,

826
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,559
seven years from now what this product costs. And by

827
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:25,760
the way, it's not out of the realm of possibility

828
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,280
that some huge star could be created and could make

829
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,400
that actually worthwhile in the long run. Right now, and

830
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:32,880
I'm no expert on this, but I've been reading a

831
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,400
lot of the takes on it and watching and listening.

832
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,159
Most people think they dramatically overvalued it because ESPN was

833
00:38:39,199 --> 00:38:41,719
paying them, you know, probably around I think around eight

834
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,159
hundred million a year or something like that. That's a

835
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:47,000
pretty substantial raise over the course of a long period.

836
00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: And one other thing, this is another thing that I know,

837
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,320
you know, and you better get ready for it. Your

838
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,599
Paramount Plus subscription is about to go up significantly. Stay

839
00:38:55,639 --> 00:38:58,360
tuned because it is an arms race right now for

840
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,559
all of these streamers, and they're all going to start

841
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:01,400
charging more money.

842
00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 2: I mean, you would so funny, J because everybody wanted like,

843
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,840
let's break, let's be able to do our ala card

844
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,199
cable channels. Well, now you end up with all these

845
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,880
ala car at streaming services, and you're probably paying more

846
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,039
than if you had a cable run.

847
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,119
Speaker 1: And in this case, the the notion I keep saying

848
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:20,400
this on other interviews and other stuff, the notion that

849
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,920
it's not pay perview. Yeah, it is pay perview because

850
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,320
you're having to pay for that service and the money

851
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,239
is coming up. Now. It's not in the individual event

852
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,039
pay perview business, but you are paying to watch this.

853
00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:36,920
You're paying significantly to watch this. And unless you're going

854
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,719
back to the tinfoil digital land, I.

855
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 2: Mean no, I don't know when, when or if for

856
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,199
how much you're going to raise the price, but paramount

857
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:46,719
is pretty reasonably.

858
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: Currently thirteen ninety nine a month, depending on if you

859
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,000
were locked in for like a year or whatever. But

860
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:54,039
you can also monthly. I don't know what the monthly

861
00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:54,639
sign up is.

862
00:39:54,679 --> 00:39:56,599
Speaker 2: I think I was listening to Mark Shapiro who was

863
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,760
the CEO or COO or some high executive with TKO

864
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:05,199
that made this deal with paramout, saying that for the

865
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,079
ad supported version of Paramount, you can get a monthly

866
00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:12,280
subscription for like eight dollars. And by the way, it's

867
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,000
you're not necessarily just buying it for UFC.

868
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: Now some people just all programming.

869
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:18,639
Speaker 2: It's always you get out of the other stuff on it,

870
00:40:18,639 --> 00:40:20,920
whether it's don't know, fucking Star Trek or I can.

871
00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: I can assure you it's going to be like nineteen

872
00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:25,920
ninety five by January.

873
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: Stay tuned, so you're probably right rates win the zone started,

874
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,599
it was ten dollars a month, that's.

875
00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: Right, And now what is it? What is it now

876
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,159
up to? If you're trying to buy them monthly, it's

877
00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:36,440
like twenty five, right.

878
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's twenty five and it's twenty,

879
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,119
but the point is it's it's increased multiple times over

880
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:44,280
the last couple of years, quite dramatically in terms of percentage,

881
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,760
And uh, that's just the way it is. I mean,

882
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:48,719
but I don't look at it as pay per view

883
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,320
because I buy ESPN Plus. I obviously had it primarily

884
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,800
for boxing, but I watched basketball and Baseball, and you

885
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,039
know NFL Primetime and you know all kinds of other

886
00:40:57,119 --> 00:40:59,559
program the same way if you subscribed to HBO, did

887
00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:01,360
I buy it for boxing? Yeah of course. But did

888
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,360
I watch comedy shows or curb your enthusiasm or you know,

889
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,559
pick a show at documentary, Yeah of course I did.

890
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:10,519
So you're just paying for that service and you get

891
00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:12,519
all the things, even though you don't necessarily want to

892
00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:15,199
have anything else understood.

893
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 1: All right, So, now as you made mention of, they

894
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:23,280
are also the front runner. Apparently what a surprise for

895
00:41:23,559 --> 00:41:26,960
Paramount Plus to be with Dana White's new endeavor here

896
00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:31,679
the Zufa boxing which also involves Turkey al chic that

897
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,239
this would potentially be the outlet fun Office Sports is

898
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,079
reporting that. Of course you dig also and look into things,

899
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,239
so what do we know and how soon might they

900
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,800
have a regular boxing series also on Paramount Plus.

901
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,039
Speaker 2: If you go back to March when the deal between

902
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,719
TKO and the Saudi's and Sella was announced, and it's

903
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,719
in Mark Shapiro, who has been on a lot of

904
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,599
the financial shows and in interviews, and it was on

905
00:41:57,639 --> 00:41:59,519
an earnings call about a week or so ago talking

906
00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:02,880
about all stuff. The way that their deal is structured

907
00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:05,519
according to what everybody has said was in their press release,

908
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,039
is that the Saudis are paying TKO ten million dollars

909
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,960
to be basically the managing organization to handle all the

910
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,920
boxing stuff, just to manage the day to day operations

911
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,119
and to promote the events. And they're not at any

912
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:22,000
particular TKO anyway, It's not at any particular financial risk,

913
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:23,719
and if it turns out to be a big hit

914
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,159
and they generate money once it gets to a certain level,

915
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:28,559
they'll obviously be cut in for a percentage of that

916
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,320
whatever the profits are. So for them, it's a great

917
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,800
opportunity to see what they can do in boxing and

918
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,159
not have to gamble their own assets or money in

919
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,760
terms of trying to build it up. But as soon

920
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,760
as the thing was announced, we all speculated that they

921
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,719
would certainly be the promoter of Terrence Crawford against Kennelabers.

922
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,760
That is the case, this will be their first event,

923
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,840
but that the full blast series of regular shows was

924
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,119
not going to begin until sometime in twenty twenty six.

925
00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:57,360
That is still the plan. They are definitely out there

926
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,559
trying to sign fighters right now. There's been a lot

927
00:42:59,559 --> 00:43:02,880
of discuss within the business about them looking for talent,

928
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,679
whether it's unsigned fighters who are established, or some prospects,

929
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,760
or perhaps some of the top amateurs that are looking

930
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,840
to turn professional, and they're going to try to build

931
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,119
them up and do their thing. You know, there's been

932
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:16,599
their movement to try to change the ALI Act in

933
00:43:16,639 --> 00:43:19,119
a manner that would allow them to have their own titles,

934
00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:22,199
which is currently against federal law. So there's a lot

935
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:25,480
of stuff happening in that respect. So they're going to

936
00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:27,800
have their dry run, if you will, with this event

937
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,760
with Canelo and Crawford, but the real stuff won't start

938
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,320
in terms of their regularity until next year. Even though

939
00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:37,599
those early shows certainly well come, we'll be they'll pale

940
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:40,320
in comparison to the magnitude of what we're having with

941
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,880
Canelo against Crawford. But if they whatever they do, and

942
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,960
Dana White said this to me when I interviewed them,

943
00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:49,760
it was on our podcast back when they were announcing

944
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,039
the deal, is we will structure the number of events

945
00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:56,320
that we do, how often we run that type of

946
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,199
thing around the needs of our broadcast partner. So if

947
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,079
paramount plus, which is what Front Office Sports reported, was

948
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:05,480
the quote unquote front runner to get a deal with them.

949
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,360
If they want a monthly show, then presumably ZUFA Boxing

950
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,360
will provide them with a monthly show. If they want fewer,

951
00:44:10,679 --> 00:44:12,400
they'll get fewer. If they want more, they'll get more.

952
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,199
But that is uh, that is apparently what's gonna happen now.

953
00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:18,159
It doesn't mean there couldn't be a change up at

954
00:44:18,199 --> 00:44:19,960
the end and they go somewhere else. But what it

955
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,920
tells you is that Paramount and Now is going to

956
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,920
have UFC. They're gonna have ZUFA, which they're not established

957
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,800
yet because they don't have any fighters there, at least

958
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,719
nobody that's name fighters, but the people that are involved

959
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,320
in running it, whether it's Turkey Alschik, or it's the

960
00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:36,960
Dana White or Nick con who was also involved, who

961
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,840
was the president of WWE. Like all the all the

962
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,800
combat dominoes are falling, ZUFA is about to sign a

963
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,639
deal probably with Paramount. Paramount just did the deal with UFC.

964
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,239
ESPN just did the deal with ww but only for

965
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,360
their what they call the premium lot of events, which

966
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,239
we used to know is the pay per views. They

967
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:59,239
paid you know what, one point six billion, right, and

968
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,320
only for those events, not even for like Raw and SmackDown.

969
00:45:02,559 --> 00:45:05,599
So the money is getting eaten up and going in

970
00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:07,760
different places. So now the question is where the hell's

971
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,639
Top rank gonna wind up. That's right, when the dust settles,

972
00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:12,639
I'm pretty sure they're gonna have something better. Know what

973
00:45:13,039 --> 00:45:16,440
they can go and say, Look, they sign UFC for

974
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:19,920
seven years for almost you know what, seven point seven billion,

975
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,880
we're a cheap compared to that, and they can still

976
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,639
make you know, pretty good money. And listen and all

977
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:27,400
the people that want to rag about them. I don't,

978
00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:29,159
I don't, I don't buy it. Top rank still has

979
00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:32,000
a superb stable of fighters, they've got a quality number

980
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,039
of champions, they've got excellent matchmaking, they've got top prospects

981
00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:38,639
in all various weight classes, and they know what they're doing.

982
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,639
So to me, right now, based on what the market

983
00:45:41,679 --> 00:45:44,639
is bearing, Top rank I believe is a bargain for

984
00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:45,280
somebody out there.

985
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,679
Speaker 1: Of course, yeah, financially, it obviously is, and I again repeat,

986
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,000
it would surprise me. I would be shocked if they

987
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,320
don't have something by October that they're announcing and talking about,

988
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,800
because they have known since earlier this year the ESPN

989
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:58,599
deal is over.

990
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: So you got to get somebody to offer, you got

991
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:01,119
to get.

992
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: A dance partner, one other thing. And we don't have

993
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:04,599
to go for ten more minutes on this because we

994
00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:06,719
got two or three other things that are coming. The

995
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,760
whole notion of amending the Muhammad Ali Act is a bad,

996
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:16,280
bad thing for boxers and for fighters. They are making

997
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,000
so much more on the pay me what I'm worth,

998
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,440
and speaking of the market will bear versus being under

999
00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:26,000
an umbrella and a thumb that says, if you're with us,

1000
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,159
we're the promoter, We're in charge of your fights, We're

1001
00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:31,360
in charge of your career. You make what we tell

1002
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:36,639
you you're making. That's and the whole reason that you

1003
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,039
want the open and free market. And this is the

1004
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:41,599
reason why Dana White's UFC fighters were all running to

1005
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:45,079
fight Jake Paul and fight Anthony Joshua or Tyson Fury

1006
00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:48,000
or whoever, because they're making six, eight, ten times what

1007
00:46:48,039 --> 00:46:49,159
they were making in UFC.

1008
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,559
Speaker 2: There's two weeks for layman who just want to put

1009
00:46:53,559 --> 00:46:56,880
on the TV or the stream or the screen and

1010
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,360
watch whatever they want to watch. They don't care what

1011
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,320
the fighters are making. They just want to be entertained.

1012
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,159
And so from the if you're a fan, I wouldn't

1013
00:47:04,159 --> 00:47:08,480
really sweat it, but it is. It is problematic in

1014
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:11,320
many respects because you want people to be paid fairly.

1015
00:47:11,679 --> 00:47:15,559
I look at it like this. I'm not against promoters

1016
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:17,920
making money. I've always advocated promoters should make a ton

1017
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,119
of money, but they should make more money than the fighters.

1018
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:23,920
So it's not about who's making money who's not making money.

1019
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,039
It's what is the equitable distribution of the dramatic amounts

1020
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:30,079
of money that are available. That's the way I look

1021
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:32,679
at it. And because there is no union among fighters

1022
00:47:32,679 --> 00:47:34,519
the way there is in the NFL or the NBA

1023
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,440
or Major League Baseball or even you know, individual sports,

1024
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,039
so they have some type of you know, collective ability

1025
00:47:41,039 --> 00:47:46,280
to do at least rules, if not contracts, every man

1026
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:46,920
for themselves.

1027
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: And that's but this was to help curtail that and

1028
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,920
get some regulation. This was put in place primarily, I'm

1029
00:47:54,920 --> 00:48:00,159
gonna say today, because Don King lorded over all the fighters,

1030
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:02,360
all the fights with long term contracts. You had to

1031
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,880
use his management, you had to agree to his matchmaking,

1032
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,840
you had to fight when he said for what he said.

1033
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,199
That's a big reason why he was a big reason.

1034
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 2: Why it was a fight for the money. They are

1035
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,639
allowed to negotiate and you didn't have to go with

1036
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,480
his management. That's not true. It usually it worked out

1037
00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:18,760
that way, but that was true.

1038
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,199
Speaker 1: Most of the time in the eighties. He controlled the

1039
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,199
most prominent fighters, the biggest fights in Moss And that's

1040
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,400
the impetus for why this was put in.

1041
00:48:27,639 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 2: We can disagree with that.

1042
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: We don't have to disagree on that. I'm telling you

1043
00:48:31,039 --> 00:48:33,360
what the truth is. The reason it was put in

1044
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,719
was that the promoter cannot be in management. Not only

1045
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,800
would just one of the fighters, but both of the fighters.

1046
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:42,360
That's why it was put in, because it's not good

1047
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,679
for the free market and for the fighters. That that is.

1048
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 2: In the nineteen eighties, top rank was every bit as

1049
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,800
big as Don King, as was main Events number one.

1050
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,760
But the real deal there was the Mom and Aliact

1051
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,480
didn't happen until I believe till like around the nineties.

1052
00:48:56,679 --> 00:48:59,119
I don't think it was actually put into effect until

1053
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:01,400
about two thousand. In two thousand and one, because I

1054
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,320
can still remember Bernard Hopkins going and by the way

1055
00:49:04,199 --> 00:49:06,480
he talked, we took the fighters. If the fighters feel

1056
00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:09,320
they're being screwed, it's in some manner their own fault,

1057
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,639
because the only boxer that actually went and testified in

1058
00:49:12,639 --> 00:49:15,000
front of the Congress at the hearings that were overseen

1059
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,159
by the late John McCain, a big boxing supporter, was

1060
00:49:18,199 --> 00:49:21,199
Bernard Hopkins. And I've told the story and it's very simple.

1061
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,239
He fought a fight on HBO. He found out that

1062
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,519
are against Roy Jones in their first fight, and when

1063
00:49:26,599 --> 00:49:29,519
was that nineteen ninety eight something like that, whenever the

1064
00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:32,079
heck it was nineteen ninety seven, whenever the year it was.

1065
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,519
He found out after the fact that HBO had paid

1066
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:39,559
his promoter, Butch Lewis, six hundred thousand dollars for their

1067
00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:42,599
side of the equation. And butch Lewis made a deal

1068
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:46,119
and paid Bernard Hopkins sixty thousand dollars. He got ten

1069
00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:48,079
percent of the money and flipped out. And that is

1070
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:50,480
egregious and that is not right. What the real number

1071
00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:52,480
should be. I can't say exactly, but I can damn

1072
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:55,559
well say, if your promoter's getting six hundred thousand and

1073
00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:57,800
you don't owe him a ton of money, you getting

1074
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,480
sixty grand is absolutely criminal.

1075
00:49:59,679 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 1: Correct, So notifying them of what the actual purse is,

1076
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,400
and that's that's an important part. All right, So we

1077
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,880
covered we covered that, and we will stay tuned on

1078
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,480
what comes of the ALI Act and this Zuffa boxing thing.

1079
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:14,000
I mean, there is there is no question they are

1080
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:18,440
trying to get it amended and changed at the legislative level.

1081
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,679
There's lobbying going on that's out there. So stay tuned,

1082
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,199
stay tuned on that. All right, More news here. The

1083
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,159
Gervante Davis latest arrest you like how I put that.

1084
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:32,800
Rayphiel has has resulted now in the charges earlier this

1085
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:37,039
week once again being dropped according to the Miami Dade

1086
00:50:37,039 --> 00:50:40,639
County Court. This is the mother of his children, who

1087
00:50:40,679 --> 00:50:44,840
I believe has had one previous domestic incident with him.

1088
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 2: She is not one I remember. Actually I've reported about

1089
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,800
these incidents and I'm not and I've written it is

1090
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,760
unclear if the woman that made the accusation in this

1091
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,559
particular case that stems to an incident on Father's Day

1092
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,719
is the same woman that had happened with the previous

1093
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,360
time where there was the nine to one one call

1094
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,199
where she was yelling, He's going to kill me. It's

1095
00:51:05,199 --> 00:51:07,079
not clear if it's the same woman. He does have.

1096
00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:11,280
I believe three children, might be two with the one woman,

1097
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,719
one with the other whatever it okay, regardless of who

1098
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,039
it is, the woman involved with this particular incident has

1099
00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:20,239
now dropped the case or refuses to prosecute or isn't

1100
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,280
going to testify, And if that happens, there's no way

1101
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,320
to go forward. So I was there, I know enough

1102
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,000
about it. They didn't see the activity that was happening.

1103
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,119
It was you know, if they if there, if the

1104
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,760
if the officer had witnessed it, then there's another correct

1105
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:34,320
another matter.

1106
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,519
Speaker 1: And here's another thing in Florida and a lot of

1107
00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:41,159
states have this now where if there is evidence, if

1108
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:45,000
there's eyewitnesses like what you're talking about, they will proceed

1109
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:49,639
without the accuser of the alleged victims cooperation if they

1110
00:51:49,679 --> 00:51:53,480
believe they have a case. Obviously, in this situation, they

1111
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,760
don't believe that they can improve it. They don't have

1112
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,079
a witness, they don't have the evidence, and without her cooperation.

1113
00:51:59,559 --> 00:52:04,920
It's so my question still remains out there on what

1114
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,000
what is his status just for the arrest in Maryland

1115
00:52:08,039 --> 00:52:10,719
while he's on probation. I've never seen anything about that,

1116
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,679
and I actually looked when all this came up. Yeah,

1117
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,320
I mean, is there anything about that with with him.

1118
00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 2: Being on if there's no there now there's no case,

1119
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,920
right so he's there's nothing on his record. He's not

1120
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,880
going to be punished for any reason really to this.

1121
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,239
So I don't think the court in Maryland has anything

1122
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,559
to talk about because he's not in any trouble right now.

1123
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,159
Uh they you know, it took a couple of weeks

1124
00:52:31,159 --> 00:52:34,079
to figure it out. But whether you believe nothing happened

1125
00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:36,559
or whatever, she dropped the case. She's not prosecuting, so

1126
00:52:36,599 --> 00:52:40,920
there's no case. So I guess the probation in Maryland

1127
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,840
from the hit and run accident stands, and he just

1128
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,280
goes forward and continues to be on probation. And now

1129
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,199
the question becomes what becomes of with boxing because we

1130
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,840
all know that even before this case came up, there

1131
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,280
was a lot of questions about whether that roach rematch,

1132
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,280
will not roach rematch? What happen? They had its schedule

1133
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,480
at one point, although not announced for June, then it

1134
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:03,519
got delayed until August sixteenth. Clearly that's not happening, and

1135
00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:05,400
so now and then there's been a lot of conversations

1136
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,400
since that that that's not gonna happen at all in

1137
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,719
terms of the Road rematch, if I'm Tank Davis and

1138
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,320
I'm now free and clear to resume my career, and

1139
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,000
there's been a lot of conversation like, oh, maybe he's

1140
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,599
gonna retire because he's tired of it. You know, I'm

1141
00:53:16,639 --> 00:53:20,360
going to go on the the normal thing that guys

1142
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,880
talk about retirement. But when you're an undefeated fighter still

1143
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,119
able to make millions of dollars a couple times a year,

1144
00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:29,719
you're probably not retiring. You're still really good at what

1145
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,920
you do. There are still opponents out there for you

1146
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,199
to fight. You know, you do enjoy the spotlight to

1147
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:38,119
some degree and certainly the money. That my assumption is

1148
00:53:38,119 --> 00:53:40,840
that whatever he says here and there, Tank Davis is

1149
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,280
not retiring at this point, just quite yet. And he's

1150
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,719
only thirty years old, hasn't taken a tremendous amount of

1151
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,800
punishment by any stretch anyway, If he's not going to

1152
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,159
do the road rematch, which I wish that he would,

1153
00:53:51,199 --> 00:53:52,679
because you know, he needs to kind of clean up

1154
00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:56,519
that mess. To me, the biggest fight out there for

1155
00:53:56,599 --> 00:53:58,760
me is to go and do December against Manny pac Yah.

1156
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,760
That's the fight that will make a huguge amount of money.

1157
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,679
Huge amount of attention. Everybody will watch that fight. That's

1158
00:54:03,679 --> 00:54:05,960
a fight that absolutely could be a pay per view

1159
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:08,039
in a moment in time in boxing where pay per

1160
00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:10,280
view is not a thing for the most part anymore.

1161
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,199
With what's happening with Canelo Crawford, what's supposed to happen

1162
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,320
on his own post this weekend's fight with a Tama

1163
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,760
and Dylan White. But that's still a fight that could

1164
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,239
generate substantial amount of viewership and a lot of money.

1165
00:54:23,559 --> 00:54:26,079
Speaker 1: Oh, there's no doubt. And there's a weight disparity too,

1166
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:28,159
so they'd have to figure that out, but it's not

1167
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:28,639
I don't.

1168
00:54:28,519 --> 00:54:30,119
Speaker 2: Think it's that big of a disparity. I see. The

1169
00:54:30,159 --> 00:54:32,199
reason why is because number one, Manny Packyow was a

1170
00:54:32,199 --> 00:54:35,599
small walter rate and has always maintained for you know

1171
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,639
years wait before he retired for four years one hundred

1172
00:54:38,639 --> 00:54:41,480
percent could make a lower weight than one forty seven

1173
00:54:41,519 --> 00:54:43,840
if he wanted to. And in terms of Tank Davis,

1174
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,239
he does have a fight against Mario Barrios, who was

1175
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,800
the previous pack the opponent, and he knocked him out

1176
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,840
at one forty And there's zero reason why for that

1177
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,920
level of the magnitude of a fight against an old

1178
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,320
man like Manny Packet. Although he did look good coming

1179
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,400
back against Barrios in a draw that I felt like

1180
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,159
he'd certainly was the winner of. There's zero reason why

1181
00:55:02,159 --> 00:55:04,039
they couldn't come up with something and have that fight

1182
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,400
one hundred forty two, one hundred and forty three hundred

1183
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,559
and forty four whatever and make that match.

1184
00:55:08,639 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: All right, stay tuned on Jervonte Davis and what might

1185
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,920
or might not be next. Oh my goodness, this is

1186
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,280
on my rundown, all right, Jeron boots Ennis.

1187
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 2: Oh, I thought so before you go, before you get there,

1188
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,039
when you when you made that sound, I thought you

1189
00:55:23,079 --> 00:55:24,400
were looking at my last item.

1190
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: Oh, I know what the last item is. But on

1191
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,519
this item with boots Nis, he has given up to

1192
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,960
the unified two belt welterweight titles to move up to

1193
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:37,679
junior middleweight. We presumed, but then again, it's boxing. We

1194
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,039
presumed that this was to fight a significant fight at

1195
00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:44,119
one hundred and fifty four pounds. Raphael, what is this

1196
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:48,719
that we're getting instead of that for October? And I'm

1197
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,760
just gonna I'm just gonna put it out there. This

1198
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,360
guy's been talking out of all sides of his mouth

1199
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,159
and now he's moving up to one fifty four and

1200
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,440
who is this against? What is this?

1201
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 2: This is is what it is. And I say that

1202
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,000
his opponent for this fight, it's gonna be October eleventh.

1203
00:56:05,039 --> 00:56:07,559
Match from Boxing announced that there were some other fights

1204
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:10,480
that were announced. He's going back to the Wells Fargo

1205
00:56:10,519 --> 00:56:13,239
Center in his hometown of Philadelphia, where he has fought

1206
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:17,920
two previous times against increasingly lesser opponents David Evanessian, followed

1207
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,599
by the Karen Chakazi in rematch, and now he's fighting

1208
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,079
the one and only Uzma Alima, who, for those who care,

1209
00:56:24,559 --> 00:56:28,320
is the IBO champ of the world. Whatever. He's fourteen

1210
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,199
and one, and I say this, and it's not a

1211
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,719
This has nothing to do with Lima. He may turn

1212
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,400
out to be a great fighter for all I know,

1213
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,039
but he hasn't done it yet and no one knows

1214
00:56:38,039 --> 00:56:40,119
who he is, so there's not going to be a

1215
00:56:40,159 --> 00:56:42,559
lot of tremendous public interests. He doesn't bring anything to

1216
00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:45,000
the table in terms of a story for why the

1217
00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:48,000
fight's happening. This is supposed to be a so called

1218
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:50,880
tune up fight or whatever. I feel like John Ennis's

1219
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,119
entire career has been a tune up fight other than

1220
00:56:53,159 --> 00:56:57,119
the Stanionas fight, and that's borderline. They made this a

1221
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,679
WBA eliminator, which just is another mark on why the

1222
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:03,239
w is ridiculous. And so they're gonna do the fight. Now.

1223
00:57:03,559 --> 00:57:06,280
The WBA can do whatever they want, but the terms

1224
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,079
of the match making for Ennis one hundred and fifty

1225
00:57:09,079 --> 00:57:11,480
four is a tremendous division. And so you hear him

1226
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,079
talk about this guy didn't want to fight, or this

1227
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:15,599
guy was obligated to some other botter, or this guy

1228
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,840
was scheduled for somebody else. You know what, Go find

1229
00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:21,199
somebody that the public might have heard of. And the

1230
00:57:21,199 --> 00:57:23,840
funny thing is supposedly he was saying this on some interviews.

1231
00:57:24,119 --> 00:57:27,400
They supposedly made an offer to Ramos, presumably that would

1232
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,480
be Jesus Ramos Jinger and that's a good fight. That's

1233
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,119
a guy that's a bona fide contender, really good fighter

1234
00:57:32,719 --> 00:57:35,320
in the weight division. It turned out that the message

1235
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,800
and then go to Jaesus Ramos, It went to the

1236
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,559
man's uncle, Abbo Ramos, who's a fucking wealtherweight. So they're

1237
00:57:41,559 --> 00:57:43,360
not looking to fight real guys right now. He wants

1238
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,360
his tune ups. And I made the point elsewhere, if

1239
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,199
you're fighting twice a year, there's no such thing as

1240
00:57:50,199 --> 00:57:52,199
tune ups. That means your entire fucking career as a

1241
00:57:52,239 --> 00:57:54,119
tune up. Right, If you're gonna fight five times a

1242
00:57:54,199 --> 00:57:55,679
year or four times a year, and you want to

1243
00:57:55,719 --> 00:57:58,079
slide this kind of fight in, by all means, do it,

1244
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,639
but your time is precious. I said, it's twenty eight

1245
00:58:01,679 --> 00:58:04,960
years old, I coming off his biggest win. What are

1246
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:05,639
we doing here?

1247
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,239
Speaker 1: What are we doing here? I said it in the

1248
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,079
lead in. He has been talking out of all sides

1249
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:12,880
of his mouth for a year that the reason he

1250
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,559
wasn't going to have the Ortiz fight was because how

1251
00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:20,239
important it was to have unified, if not undisputed welterweight belts.

1252
00:58:20,599 --> 00:58:23,880
And then he promptly fights a garbage fight that the

1253
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,400
IBF makes him fight against the guy he's already beaten.

1254
00:58:26,519 --> 00:58:29,960
He fights Stanionis and gets the unified belt, and the

1255
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,960
first chance he gets now to move back up, he's

1256
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,639
moving back up. So you can't. You can't have all sides,

1257
00:58:34,679 --> 00:58:37,920
you can't have all lanes in the argument, he could

1258
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:42,559
have been fighting Brian Norman this fall in October for

1259
00:58:42,639 --> 00:58:44,880
a three belt welter White fight that we would all

1260
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,760
care about Big Dan. We would care about that fight

1261
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:48,760
much more than this.

1262
00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 2: He basically announced his intentions to go to fifty four,

1263
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,679
like I think it was basically on the day before

1264
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,960
or the day after Brian Norman won the fight in Japan,

1265
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,440
and Norman came out smelling like a row because he

1266
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,039
looked great in the Japanese And he's now taken on

1267
00:59:03,159 --> 00:59:03,960
Devin Haney, who.

1268
00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: And Norman and Norman by and Norman, by the way,

1269
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,679
is gonna end up fighting Devin Haney and that's gonna

1270
00:59:09,679 --> 00:59:13,000
be an interesting, intriguing fight that we're gonna care about.

1271
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:17,480
This fight no one cares about relatively.

1272
00:59:17,639 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 2: So the thing is, if they they're still supposedly going

1273
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:21,960
to try to make the Virgil Artist fight for early

1274
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,239
next year, I say, if that was the case, you

1275
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,400
got to announce the Lima fight and say we have

1276
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,280
a deal. If if our guy wins, and if Virgil,

1277
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,440
who's gonna fight in October or November, if he wins,

1278
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:33,360
they're gonna fight each other. Now, Virgil is a different

1279
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,519
story because they were trying to make a match between

1280
00:59:35,599 --> 00:59:38,519
him and Keith Thurman, and they were all very far

1281
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:40,119
along down the road. It was going to be a

1282
00:59:40,199 --> 00:59:45,000
unified broadcast on Prime Video as well as on his

1283
00:59:45,079 --> 00:59:48,079
own because obviously one guy's with PBC, one guys with

1284
00:59:48,159 --> 00:59:49,840
Golden Boys that they are on different platforms, but they

1285
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:53,280
were willing to work together, and they kept stringing Virgil

1286
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,840
along and then finally it's not signed or done yet.

1287
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,400
Now it's gonna be Keith Thurman is gonna take the opportunity,

1288
00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:02,239
probably make more money. He's in a challenge against Fondora

1289
01:00:02,599 --> 01:00:05,159
for his WBC title, which is fine. I got a

1290
01:00:05,159 --> 01:00:06,639
problem with that fight. They'll make out a pay per

1291
01:00:06,719 --> 01:00:09,599
view for PBC, but Virgil is kind of left out

1292
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:11,480
in the cold because n it's never at any I

1293
01:00:11,719 --> 01:00:14,199
never had even the notion to fight him in the

1294
01:00:14,199 --> 01:00:16,199
first fight at one fifty four, and I don't even

1295
01:00:16,239 --> 01:00:19,920
think anybody begrudges him taking a fight at one fifty four.

1296
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,360
But there's a happy meeting between fighting a Fondora or

1297
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,639
a Virgil Artis or somebody of that caliber in your

1298
01:00:25,639 --> 01:00:29,000
first fight in the way class. Somewhere in between, there's

1299
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,719
a better matchup than than Lima. I mean, give me

1300
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:32,440
a fucking break.

1301
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: And that is in October, and then we wrap with

1302
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:40,199
this which is the increasing chatter. Shall I use that

1303
01:00:40,239 --> 01:00:42,119
word on a Thursday night into Friday.

1304
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 2: On the planet even chatter, it's the promoter.

1305
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: The promoter's been chattering about this. Jake Paul was chattering

1306
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,519
about this because he was over in England for the

1307
01:00:50,679 --> 01:00:57,639
USIK title defense against Daniel Dubois, that Jake Paul wants

1308
01:00:57,679 --> 01:01:00,760
to fight Anthony Joshua. Now, as I joked earlier, I

1309
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:04,280
was there at the Honda Center in late June in Anaheim, California,

1310
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,400
and Jake Paul's list of who he wants to fight

1311
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,719
was longer than Santa's list. He included Santa Claus and

1312
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,760
the Easter Bunny and Aaron Judge and Patrick Mahomes and

1313
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:18,480
a few other fighter fighters. But now the chatter is

1314
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,800
continuing that it would potentially be Anthony Joshua for an

1315
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,599
upcoming opponent. You want me to say it to lead off,

1316
01:01:24,599 --> 01:01:25,840
but I think you want to say it. What are

1317
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,360
we doing here? Is this legit? Is this legit in

1318
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:29,840
your mind?

1319
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,519
Speaker 2: I think it is because in boxing you only have

1320
01:01:33,519 --> 01:01:36,400
to always think about one thing, money and you can

1321
01:01:36,719 --> 01:01:41,280
hate the fight. I mean, it's not like like when

1322
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,039
we rip on Ennis against Lima it's not even like

1323
01:01:44,039 --> 01:01:45,719
a money fight. It's just they have a budget from

1324
01:01:45,719 --> 01:01:47,400
the z own. He's gonna make the fight whatever. But

1325
01:01:47,519 --> 01:01:50,199
a fight between Joshua and Jake Paul, now you're talking

1326
01:01:50,239 --> 01:01:55,880
worldwide event, I mean farcical perhaps, but to Ching Chi

1327
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,360
Ching Chi ching, to cha course, I mean it's gonna

1328
01:01:58,599 --> 01:02:01,480
cross over. Joshua was one of the biggest superstars in boxing.

1329
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,320
Whatever you think of his recent performance and getting destroyed

1330
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,480
by Daniel Dubois, Jake call is a whole different level. Also,

1331
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,519
you know, this is a guy that's you know, did

1332
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:12,840
sixty seventy million viewers on Netflix with Mike Tyson. Obviously

1333
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:14,440
Tyson was a huge part of that, but he's got

1334
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,000
such a huge fan base all around the world. You know,

1335
01:02:18,559 --> 01:02:21,880
younger people, boxing fans who tune in because they want

1336
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,000
to watch him lose whatever it is. People gravitate toward

1337
01:02:25,039 --> 01:02:28,400
his events, and same with Anthony Joshua. So, you know,

1338
01:02:29,159 --> 01:02:31,679
he's a much smaller guy, both in terms of his

1339
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,199
height and weight. Obviously, you know, he fought over two

1340
01:02:34,239 --> 01:02:37,760
hundred pounds against Tyson, but he's primarily been one ninety something.

1341
01:02:38,039 --> 01:02:40,719
Speaker 1: He caught it like to twenty right against Tyson, and

1342
01:02:40,719 --> 01:02:42,119
then he had to get all the way back down

1343
01:02:42,159 --> 01:02:45,119
around one ninety for this fite, which the point.

1344
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 2: Is even at two twenty against Tyson Joshua regularly and

1345
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,280
in shape. Joshua is always in great shape, two hundred

1346
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,159
and fifty plus pounds, some much bigger guy. And also,

1347
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,000
by the way, Anthony Joshua is like six foot six.

1348
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:02,840
So even even if you view Anthony Joshua as a

1349
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,519
diminished fighter, which is fair, I mean, he's been on

1350
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:08,480
the downside for a little while. He looked obviously tremendous,

1351
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,880
but he wiped out Francis Naganu, who is not a boxer,

1352
01:03:11,119 --> 01:03:12,960
took him all of you know, two and a half

1353
01:03:13,039 --> 01:03:15,920
minutes and one gigantic punch put him out. And now

1354
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,960
after that he gets wiped out by Dua in a

1355
01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:22,840
spectacular knockout loss. So a lot of people think Joshua

1356
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:24,639
has done But I would submit to you that even

1357
01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:27,320
Anthony Joshua in the diminished state, coming off a knockout

1358
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,360
loss against Danga Dua, you know.

1359
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: Much more experienced, much more skilled, much waigger, bigger.

1360
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:39,639
Speaker 2: All right, he knocks out Jake Paul. When he decides

1361
01:03:39,679 --> 01:03:40,159
to knock.

1362
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:44,119
Speaker 1: Out Joe Okay, so I'm this is obvious. All right. Uh,

1363
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,719
this has been going on now for about five years.

1364
01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:51,719
He Jake Paul, he has made tremendous money. We've talked

1365
01:03:51,719 --> 01:03:54,639
about it frequently. You've interviewed him, I've been to the fights.

1366
01:03:55,119 --> 01:03:57,440
I've been to three of his fights. Now. As a

1367
01:03:57,519 --> 01:04:00,480
matter of fact, there's always an in game. The in

1368
01:04:00,719 --> 01:04:02,679
game was not. Maybe you could make the argument the

1369
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,719
end game was the Tyson fight. Cash in on that fight.

1370
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:09,559
He made mega, mega money on that fight. Is this

1371
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:14,039
the in game fight here? Because if any Joshua, here's why. No,

1372
01:04:14,119 --> 01:04:17,519
I'm just saying, if Joshua does what you and I

1373
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,480
and most believe is going to happen, I think that

1374
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:27,280
completely just ruins whatever's left of the charade that he's

1375
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,039
actually in this for the fighting, the boxing, and to

1376
01:04:30,119 --> 01:04:32,800
win world titles. So is this the end game? Is

1377
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:37,840
this to make thirty forty fifty million dollars and probably

1378
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:39,840
get freight trained in the fight, And this is the

1379
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:40,280
end game?

1380
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 2: That's what The reason the reason why I say, the

1381
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,480
reason why I say it's not is because you could

1382
01:04:45,519 --> 01:04:47,480
look at the if the result is what we think

1383
01:04:47,639 --> 01:04:49,440
if I mean, if he wins, obviously it's not the

1384
01:04:49,519 --> 01:04:51,320
end game, and that would be a huge upset. But

1385
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:53,440
if he gets freight trained, as you suggest, I like

1386
01:04:53,519 --> 01:04:55,599
that terminology. You never heard that before. I'm gonna have

1387
01:04:55,599 --> 01:04:57,119
to use that. He gets freight trained. I like that

1388
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,920
he gets. If he gets freight trained, people will look

1389
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,000
and say, look, you know what, he took the opportunity.

1390
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:07,320
He's still an inexperienced novices type fighter. He's never fought

1391
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,000
anybody like a Joshua, even a diminished Joshua. You know,

1392
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:11,639
we're not you know, this is still a guy on

1393
01:05:11,639 --> 01:05:13,719
a thousand times better at this state of their career

1394
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:18,159
than a twenty years in retirement Mike Tyson or Julio

1395
01:05:18,239 --> 01:05:21,400
Sazar chav Is forty pounds over his best weight inactive

1396
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:23,960
you know, all kinds of outside the rank problems, et cetera,

1397
01:05:24,599 --> 01:05:27,639
older even than Joshua is. You know, this would be

1398
01:05:27,719 --> 01:05:30,599
against a you know, whatever you think about the state

1399
01:05:30,639 --> 01:05:33,440
of Anthony Joshua. He's a real guy. He's a former

1400
01:05:33,559 --> 01:05:37,039
two time unified heavyweight champion. And yeah he got knocked out,

1401
01:05:37,079 --> 01:05:39,280
he got freight trained in his last fight, but he's

1402
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,960
he's done well for himself. This is a totally different bulgame.

1403
01:05:42,119 --> 01:05:44,920
So if Joshua were to fight Paul and Jake were

1404
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:48,199
to get destroyed by him, as we would suspect, he

1405
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:50,679
can say, look, I took the chance. I fought a

1406
01:05:50,719 --> 01:05:53,719
great fighter, a guy that was a two time heavyweight champ,

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01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:54,400
a guy that might.

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01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: Be understand what I'm saying. At that point, you can't

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01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,480
really be taken seriously about winning titles and doing it seriously.

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But no, No.

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01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 2: The reason I say no is, first of all, if

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01:06:03,519 --> 01:06:05,679
he doesn't get destroyed, and even he loses, but he

1413
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,360
has a halfway, he's in performance. He'd mean, Look, I

1414
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,079
was finding guy tw hundred fifty pounds, I'm really a

1415
01:06:10,119 --> 01:06:12,360
cruiserweight and his goal is still to be a cruiserweight

1416
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,320
world champion, and he's gonna pocket that.

1417
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,559
Speaker 1: I don't think he's not going to fight contenders at

1418
01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:21,159
cruiserweight he wants and all all shot.

1419
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 2: But the organizations have already at least one organization's already

1420
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,440
put him in the ratings. Jake Paul, for what he

1421
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,079
brings financially, he can get a title shot even if

1422
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:31,000
he doesn't fight a contender. And I'm not saying I

1423
01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:32,920
agree with that, I'm just being real on what's going

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01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:33,320
to happen.

1425
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,079
Speaker 1: But the way this operates all right, so state but

1426
01:06:36,199 --> 01:06:38,239
I mean, I mean with the organizations drop him.

1427
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 2: If he ask yourself, if you're a boxing fan or

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01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:45,000
even just a sports fan, would you watch it?

1429
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 1: Yes, we would all watch it. There you go, we

1430
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:49,119
would all watch it.

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01:06:49,199 --> 01:06:51,599
Speaker 2: And I suspect, because of the way that the business

1432
01:06:51,599 --> 01:06:54,199
has been running lately, maybe that winds up on a Netflix.

1433
01:06:54,679 --> 01:06:58,559
Speaker 1: So what on the Rayfield meter? Is it a five?

1434
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,960
Is it a that this could actually happen? What would

1435
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,519
you gauge it? In August of twenty twenty five.

1436
01:07:05,599 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 2: Joshua Joshua seems open to it. Jake Call is definitely

1437
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:11,679
open to and his team are open to it. They

1438
01:07:11,719 --> 01:07:14,400
want to do it. Eddie Hearn, who was the promoter

1439
01:07:14,639 --> 01:07:18,320
for Joshua for his entire career, was on mainstream Sky

1440
01:07:18,519 --> 01:07:22,039
Sports News talking about it as a real possibility. And

1441
01:07:22,199 --> 01:07:25,199
Eddie doesn't usually do that for Joshua's stuff if it's

1442
01:07:25,239 --> 01:07:26,039
not real Joshua.

1443
01:07:26,119 --> 01:07:29,679
Speaker 1: He talks about Joshua fighting everybody besides Godzilla and who

1444
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:31,400
like you.

1445
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,079
Speaker 2: Know, I'm telling you, I've known Eddie a long time

1446
01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:34,760
and I sense the difference in the way he was

1447
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,119
speaking about this, there was something different in the way

1448
01:07:37,199 --> 01:07:39,320
he It's one thing to get asked the question about

1449
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,199
theory or this or that and him answer it. It's

1450
01:07:42,239 --> 01:07:47,719
a different ballgame when he voluntarily, Hey, what let me

1451
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:48,360
answer the question.

1452
01:07:48,559 --> 01:07:48,599
Speaker 1: No.

1453
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 2: No.

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01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:50,559
Speaker 1: But one other variable that I forgot to put in

1455
01:07:50,639 --> 01:07:54,360
the premise. Joshua's been hurt, He's had elbow surgery, he's

1456
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:58,159
been hurt. What's his availability to in the equation of

1457
01:07:58,280 --> 01:07:59,280
what's the likelihood go.

1458
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:01,559
Speaker 2: Well, suppose he's going to be available before the end

1459
01:08:01,559 --> 01:08:03,599
of the year. Now that might happen. Maybe they'll put

1460
01:08:03,639 --> 01:08:05,199
this off till the early part of next year. But

1461
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,400
the point I'm saying is this, you ask, what's the

1462
01:08:07,519 --> 01:08:09,960
chances of it happening. I'm not going to give it

1463
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:11,760
a number, but I think it's got a really good

1464
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,280
chance because, look, Jake wants it. He wants to make

1465
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:16,800
big events in big money. Anthony Joshua was not a

1466
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,079
post to make another guardantru and pay Day. By the way,

1467
01:08:19,119 --> 01:08:21,000
in a fight that he should be a humongous favorite

1468
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,199
against Jake Paul even though he's coming off a horrendous

1469
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:28,880
knockout loss tod Wa and it's not like he's getting younger.

1470
01:08:29,039 --> 01:08:32,319
Joshua is already thirty five years old. There's only two

1471
01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:35,079
fights that exist for him that matter right now, putting

1472
01:08:35,159 --> 01:08:37,359
us anything with Jake Paul side, and that would be

1473
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:40,840
still the Tyson Fury fight, and to a lesser degree,

1474
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:42,520
I guess there's a lot of people would still be

1475
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,239
happy to see him fight Deontay Wilder, which the Wilder

1476
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:48,199
camp would still want. I'm less interested in that, I guess,

1477
01:08:48,279 --> 01:08:50,800
but I would still like to see the Tyson Fury fight.

1478
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:53,479
And so when you look around the landscape, he's not

1479
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,479
fighting a third fight against It was sick. That's not happening.

1480
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,279
I mean, he's already beaten a lot of other good fighters.

1481
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 1: Fighting Fury, which is a massive, massive fight in the UK,

1482
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,119
this would be the next biggest.

1483
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 2: Fight, a rematch with Joseph Parker. Yeah, and it would

1484
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,399
be big fighting Agi Cabiel, your boy, I mean.

1485
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 1: Have one with you. I like that. It would be

1486
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:15,439
bigger than I'm gonna say. It would be bigger than

1487
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:18,159
the Deontay wilderfight for Anthony Joshua just from the attention,

1488
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:21,199
social media attention, et cetera.

1489
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 2: Because Anthony Joshua against Wilder five years ago would have

1490
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,439
been the biggest fight in boxing. But Anthony Joshua against

1491
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:29,960
Dedanty Wilder. Uh and it's not the same Wilder as

1492
01:09:30,119 --> 01:09:32,560
is well passed it. Joshua was well pasted it, but

1493
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:34,479
he still got enough to be a guy like Jake

1494
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:37,680
Paul in my mind. All right, it's amazing him. Like

1495
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:39,279
my boy TJ says, I.

1496
01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 1: Can't believe you've never heard me. I've used that a

1497
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:42,720
few times. I thought on this pod, you like that,

1498
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,600
borrow it as your own. The greatest compliments in our

1499
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:49,279
business is when people steal your stuff. Uh okay. So

1500
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:51,560
we get ready for this read season card. What do

1501
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:54,119
we got with Moses e Tama? How much does Dillion

1502
01:09:54,199 --> 01:09:58,039
White present? A challenge? Nick Ball w B a featherweight

1503
01:09:58,119 --> 01:10:00,520
title fight on the undercard. We look forward to all

1504
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:05,119
of that happening Saturday. What say you and I reconvene

1505
01:10:05,279 --> 01:10:07,600
off the weekend Sunday night and the Monday. Between now

1506
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:09,880
and then, I have to go to Pittsburgh for the

1507
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,680
Buccaneers and the Pittsburgh Steelers. My fall job is cranking

1508
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,039
up with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers radio broadcast. They played

1509
01:10:16,039 --> 01:10:19,279
the Stillers, that's what they call them in Pittsburgh. Not Steel,

1510
01:10:19,399 --> 01:10:22,920
but still the Stellers. Did you ever cover a big

1511
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:24,680
time fight in Pittsburgh? While I just throw this out

1512
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:26,279
there as we say goodbye, did you ever have a

1513
01:10:26,319 --> 01:10:28,359
big time car that you covered for USA Today or

1514
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:29,319
ESPN in Pittsburgh.

1515
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:32,319
Speaker 2: I've been I've covered many fights in Pennsylvania, but not

1516
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:33,000
in Pittsburgh.

1517
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:33,399
Speaker 1: How about that?

1518
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:36,560
Speaker 2: I was ready about Paul spat of four back in

1519
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:40,600
the day when he was lateweight champion, but never covered

1520
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:44,479
a fight of his in Pittsburgh. Covered fight Hiladelphy.

1521
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 1: I just thought of something. I'm doing my Rayfield off

1522
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:51,680
the top of my head. I believe Larry Holmes fought

1523
01:10:52,319 --> 01:10:56,840
Ronaldo Snipes in Pittsburgh, or Ronaldo Snipes was from Pittsburgh,

1524
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,600
one of the two. And if I'm not mistaken, there

1525
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:03,359
were a couple of prominent like Jersey Joe Walcott heavyweight

1526
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:05,439
title defenses or something in peace.

1527
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,399
Speaker 2: The way the Ronaldo Snipes fight between Homes and Snipes

1528
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:10,760
for the WBC title in nineteen eighty one was at

1529
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:12,119
the Civic Arena in Pittsburgh.

1530
01:11:13,079 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 1: Now, am I a silvot? Was I looking at anything?

1531
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:16,359
Was I looking?

1532
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:19,039
Speaker 2: He's not? But Ronaldo Snipes is not from Pittsburgh. Did

1533
01:11:19,079 --> 01:11:20,720
I say on the PREMI and all those snipes is

1534
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,920
born in Houston, and I guess lived in Yonkers, New York.

1535
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,039
Speaker 1: Okay, but on the premise I said, either the fight

1536
01:11:27,239 --> 01:11:30,000
was in Pittsburgh. I he's from Pittsburgh, and that was

1537
01:11:30,079 --> 01:11:32,880
off the top of my head. That was a long

1538
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:34,039
time ago.

1539
01:11:34,359 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 2: Listen, back in the early days of like, uh, that's

1540
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:39,840
in the early days, but like in nineteen fifties, let's say,

1541
01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:43,279
like there was Pittsburgh was a was a place. You know.

1542
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 1: It was not you anymore, not really, but they got

1543
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:47,960
the stillers and they got.

1544
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 2: In the early fifties was when when Jersey Joe Walcott,

1545
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:58,520
who was from Camden, New Jersey, fought Ezra Charles in

1546
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:02,720
Pittsburgh and heavyweight championship fight there. That's the old baseball

1547
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:03,239
stadium play.

1548
01:12:03,239 --> 01:12:05,359
Speaker 1: There's a little nostalgia to end the show as well,

1549
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:07,439
I'll head to Pittsburgh. I'll be back and we'll recap

1550
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:09,359
this read card and see what happens with a time.

1551
01:12:09,359 --> 01:12:11,039
Speaker 2: And I'm not sure why that was in Pittsburgh either,

1552
01:12:11,039 --> 01:12:13,560
because Zra Charles was from Cincinnati, and as I mentioned,

1553
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,560
you had Walcott from Camden Pole where.

1554
01:12:16,399 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 1: The month is and the promoters are right go where

1555
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:23,479
the monkeys? All right, let's uh, let's reconvene off of

1556
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,960
this card. In read the read season card with a

1557
01:12:27,039 --> 01:12:29,039
Tama in the main event, Dan have a good weekend.

1558
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:33,359
They duel him on the substack and the newsletter. We

1559
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:35,239
look forward to everything that's going to happen here be

1560
01:12:35,319 --> 01:12:37,199
with us on the Big Fight Weekend podcast feed. Go

1561
01:12:37,279 --> 01:12:39,720
find the YouTube channel as well, subscribe and like us,

1562
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,960
there are plenty of more content coming there. Go watch

1563
01:12:43,079 --> 01:12:46,000
Moses Atama with Dan on that channel. Go watch Terrence

1564
01:12:46,079 --> 01:12:48,680
Quawford with Dan on that channel as well in one

1565
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:50,960
on one interviews. For now, we are good on the

1566
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:52,680
Big Fight Weekend preview pot. Bye