Speaker 1: Welcome to episode five sixty of five and Dive. It
Speaker 1: is Monday, July sixth. I'm your host, Craig Goldstein, joined
Speaker 1: as usual by Patrick Dubuk and Jeffrey Petternostro. We had
Speaker 1: a three day holiday weekend.
Speaker 2: How was yours been at watching soccer? Again? Sure, I
Speaker 2: do want to say, I know this is a baseball podcast,
Speaker 2: but there.
Speaker 1: Is Patrick's gonna log off, right.
Speaker 2: There is something beautiful about the sport outside of the
Speaker 2: other stuff was going on today where you can have
Speaker 2: a game like Cabo Verde against Argentina, which is like
Speaker 2: probably one of the five best World Cup games I've
Speaker 2: ever seen, you know, like I'd have to like wrack
Speaker 2: my brain for like euro other major games that were better.
Speaker 2: But given the stakes and the performance and the relative
Speaker 2: disparity and the quality of the goals in a lot
Speaker 2: of cases.
Speaker 1: That second Cabo Verde goal was one of the most
Speaker 1: ridiculous things I've ever read.
Speaker 2: And it was one of those games where you know,
Speaker 2: there weren't any like really close off side and we
Speaker 2: weren't seeing going to the ball censor to see if
Speaker 2: it touched someone's hair. There wasn't any you know, Dodgy pens.
Speaker 2: There's just two teams leaving all out on the field, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then the next day you can have France Paraguay.
Speaker 2: It's the same sport.
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say, because I saw
Speaker 1: you say it was maybe like top five, And you
Speaker 1: don't need to litigate that, Like I think it's fine
Speaker 1: to say you can have like eight or ten top
Speaker 1: five things. It's fine. We were just talking about a
Speaker 1: genre kind of.
Speaker 2: It's a yeah, there's a class, there's a classic. Like
Speaker 2: the quote I think it's a Tiger Woods quote when
Speaker 2: I asked you it was the best golfer of all time.
Speaker 2: He said, all you can ask for is to be
Speaker 2: in the conversation, and like, this is in the conversation, right.
Speaker 1: Well, I thought you were going to say, and then
Speaker 1: get England Mexico.
Speaker 2: Well no, no, that was also it was a different
Speaker 2: kind of great game. But like France Paraguay is just
Speaker 2: the opposite of that in all regards. Right, it's just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're gonna make this the most unpleasant and there's a
Speaker 2: beauty in that sort of and it's like the same
Speaker 2: round is the same stakes. It's the same gap between
Speaker 2: the teams, right and we're gonna you know, we are
Speaker 2: going to make this and they did it against Germany
Speaker 2: too to win, right, We're gonna make this as difficult
Speaker 2: as possible for you. Yeah, No, England Mexico is just
Speaker 2: pure chaos, which was also great. Ref had no control
Speaker 2: over that game from from the kickoff. Basically there were
Speaker 2: several at least one dodgy pen which one was dodgy
Speaker 2: to you the one they gave MX. That's not a foul.
Speaker 2: It's a fifty to fifty ball, like kicking underneath.
Speaker 1: I mean it doesn't kick.
Speaker 2: He didn't kick him, but he doesn't really like in
Speaker 2: that's like not that's not a foul. I mean, I
Speaker 2: understand why I was given it did make it more fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just thinking about thinking about everyone and when they
Speaker 1: I didn't I had not thought about it at the time.
Speaker 1: But then they cut over after the game to all
Speaker 1: the people in England celebrating and it was four in
Speaker 1: the morning. Yeah, having to go through that game, yeah
Speaker 1: as an England fan from two to four in the morning.
Speaker 2: Right, because they pushed it back an hour or two
Speaker 2: because of though the weather. Yeah, phenomenal, phenomenal game. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we also got like like dan Byrne just like
Speaker 2: absolutely caked and sweat and he was on for like
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was curely.
Speaker 2: Jordan Henderson breaking his arm in the celebration during Wonderwall
Speaker 2: havy to be stretchered off. Yes, he broke his arm
Speaker 2: during the celebration.
Speaker 1: What I missed that entirely?
Speaker 2: How I don't know there's video of it. I haven't
Speaker 2: looked at it, but like Harry Kane's like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think he's okay. While he's doing like games. He couldn't talk, Oh,
Speaker 2: he couldn't talk yet. I don't know how much he
Speaker 2: had been yelling on the pitch, probably a lot.
Speaker 1: Probably a lot. I'm sure it was hard to get.
Speaker 1: I mean, the environment was I honestly wish I could
Speaker 1: have heard more of the crowd.
Speaker 2: But obviously I have a lot of expat friends. Being
Speaker 2: a Wednesday person, I knew several people that were at
Speaker 2: the game. But I was saying to them like, I
Speaker 2: don't know if England is a good team per se,
Speaker 2: Like they're not the best team in the tournament, but
Speaker 2: I don't know if they're like a good team, but
Speaker 2: like those are the kind of games you have to win.
Speaker 2: If you want to win the World Cup, basically you're
Speaker 2: going to get at least one of those where it's
Speaker 2: just an absolute dog fight. Dog fight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I also want a lot of soccer, to
Speaker 1: the point that by the time Sunday Night Baseball rolled around,
Speaker 1: I was like, what what is it that people are
Speaker 1: talking about everything being paywalled? I did not try and
Speaker 1: watch baseball on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Everything was all on Peacock.
Speaker 1: Yeah apparently, But I was also confused because I went
Speaker 1: to go see the Sunday Night Baseball game thinking that
Speaker 1: was only on Peacock, but it was on NBC.
Speaker 2: I was like, Braves was also on NBC, So I
Speaker 2: I got to watch that, which was something I really
Speaker 2: needed in my life.
Speaker 1: Was so I was like, why are people mad? But honestly,
Speaker 1: people are mad for affair. Why was everything on Peacock?
Speaker 1: I mean why, uh not that I should value and everything,
Speaker 1: but like, what are we doing?
Speaker 2: They also did all the thrown together Peacock boots too,
Speaker 2: So the metro like Todd zal on, Tripper Jones, like
Speaker 2: Tippery Lake doesn't like Todd zeal is like they're filling
Speaker 2: play by play guy, but like Tipper Downes doesn't show
Speaker 2: up showing up. Yeah, yeah, Uh.
Speaker 1: My only contribution here is that, uh I think I
Speaker 1: mentioned we're gonna slushy machine as a family, and it
Speaker 1: arrived on Thursday and we've made six different batches of slush.
Speaker 2: You're, by the way, you are not allowed to tell
Speaker 2: my kid about this, about the existence of this, but
Speaker 2: the fact that you can get one for home use
Speaker 2: not allowed.
Speaker 1: What's interesting to me that I did not know was
Speaker 1: like all all for this one anyway, all you're doing
Speaker 1: is pouring and juice. It's just it's literally just juice.
Speaker 1: Like it's not added sugar. It's not there has to
Speaker 1: be a minimum amount of sugar, I guess for it
Speaker 1: to reach slushy status in terms of percentage, but like
Speaker 1: it's just pouring in a regular juice.
Speaker 2: I'm still you're still not allowed to tell.
Speaker 1: You no, I understand. I'm I'm revealing my ignorance.
Speaker 3: Here as the machine afterwards, right, Like it's really easy, Okay,
Speaker 3: we have one of those like thirty dollars snow cone
Speaker 3: makers that is not worth the effort the clean I
Speaker 3: could see that, and so like it's also not worth
Speaker 3: the effort to wait for them to do it so
Speaker 3: the kids, like, it's become an option for my children,
Speaker 3: not one worth pursuing.
Speaker 1: It does it does take a bit. It takes like
Speaker 1: thirty forty five minutes potentially, But but like to clean it,
Speaker 1: you just put in warm water with soap and then
Speaker 1: like you can take it apart and let it air
Speaker 1: dry or whatever. But you don't even like if you're
Speaker 1: just going to make another batch. You don't have to anyway, Patrick,
Speaker 1: how was your weekend?
Speaker 3: Not so much? No, not my kids. I don't really
Speaker 3: know how this decision was made. I was not involved
Speaker 3: in the decision. I imagine that a plurality was reached
Speaker 3: without my while I understained. But my children decided to
Speaker 3: switch bedrooms.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned this and you never answered my question,
Speaker 1: so I'm going to repeat it. You live in a
Speaker 1: blue episode?
Speaker 2: Yeah, not allowed, Like that's just as a parent you
Speaker 2: can just say no.
Speaker 1: They they did a bluey episode about this, and my
Speaker 1: reaction at the time was what are they doing? Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I guess they shared a room to split, but the shared.
Speaker 3: Room to split. Uh. In this case, there were logistical
Speaker 3: factors involved. Basically, my son, my younger son, really struggles
Speaker 3: to sleep and it's a real drain on our lifestyle
Speaker 3: that my son is constantly waking up and I have
Speaker 3: to constantly put him back to bed, like multiple times
Speaker 3: a night, and then find him in my bed kicking
Speaker 3: me in the back every time I wake up. So
Speaker 3: we're trying anything at this point, and we're hoping that
Speaker 3: you know, changes the scenery. You know, always always improve
Speaker 3: your life. Just to change nothing about yourself except your
Speaker 3: surroundings is always ineffective.
Speaker 1: That only true for baseball players and.
Speaker 3: Growth and personal growth. So we're just gonna, I guess
Speaker 3: we're just what. Look, you guys are attacking me like
Speaker 3: I'm the one who made this choice when I know,
Speaker 3: really really clearly established I'm I'm I'm attacking being more
Speaker 3: clear about how little input I had on this process.
Speaker 1: I'm not attacking you. I'm attacking your life, Okay, your circumstances.
Speaker 3: My life if isn't vulnerable, don't bother anyway. So, yes,
Speaker 3: we did that, and the worst part, of course is
Speaker 3: the art. So we had to we had to re
Speaker 3: hang all the artcause they wanted to move all the
Speaker 3: art over and they had to move the bookcases and stuff,
Speaker 3: so they had to move into do.
Speaker 2: You actually hang your art or do you just use
Speaker 2: like the actually.
Speaker 3: I actually most of my because most of it's actually
Speaker 3: the canvases and stuff. So if this doesn't take oh
Speaker 3: it's taking moving, they're not moving back.
Speaker 1: Okay, it would have been my reaction to begin with.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, no, I mean like it's yeah, no,
Speaker 3: this is this is it for a while.
Speaker 1: They're good, That's what I wanted to hear. But I
Speaker 1: had some trepidation. All Right, shall we get into the show? Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, our first segment deadline.
Speaker 2: Dreaming speaking of changes of scenery, that would.
Speaker 1: Have been a good transition. Maybe you should host the show. Uh,
Speaker 1: who is actually going to be available in this trade market?
Speaker 1: I I'm on record as saying it's gonna be weird.
Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be a deeply weird trade market.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think we've already seen like the last few deadlines.
Speaker 1: I want to say, at least the last two, there's
Speaker 1: been a lot of like half buying, half selling stuff
Speaker 1: or like maybe that's not even the right way to
Speaker 1: put it. It's that there's not buyers and sellers, it's
Speaker 1: just moving pieces to fit your individual circumstance as an organization.
Speaker 3: Griffin Jackson, Griffin Jackson.
Speaker 1: Sure, exactly, And I think it's just gonna be a
Speaker 1: lot of that. Again, we go back to the standings
Speaker 1: and that everything's just kind of weird, but like it
Speaker 1: really makes for a complicated it does deadline.
Speaker 2: You've got Houston out here saying that they're going to
Speaker 2: be in the Terek Schogle market.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I missed that. But like Baltimore is forty
Speaker 1: two and forty nine, twelve games back in the division
Speaker 1: and says they're buying.
Speaker 2: Well, they're three and a half out of a wildcard.
Speaker 1: Sure don't. I'm not saying they're wrong, but that's there.
Speaker 1: They're buying. The White Sox are a game up in
Speaker 1: the Central one of two teams with a positive run differential, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the other being the Tigers. But like who's again, like
Speaker 1: who is actually selling? What do they have to sell?
Speaker 1: I think you know, you look at the Mets, don't
Speaker 1: really have a ton to sell.
Speaker 2: If you want relievers, they can offer you relievers.
Speaker 1: Sure, you know Freddie Peralta we've talked about, but like
Speaker 1: they they just acquired him and he's not been himself.
Speaker 1: Mario Delgado Henzori had a great piece on Baseball Perspectives
Speaker 1: on Friday that people should check out as to why
Speaker 1: it's complicated is the.
Speaker 2: Short they also only have to beat a fourth round
Speaker 2: pick here because of where they are on qualifying offer
Speaker 2: and luxury.
Speaker 1: He's damn it, like he's part of the reason they're
Speaker 1: in the situation that they're selling is he's been bad.
Speaker 1: So it's it's like, if you want to acquire him,
Speaker 1: it's not been an ideal situation, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like you you're not necessarily getting someone at the top
Speaker 1: of his game. That's not like the price you necessarily
Speaker 1: want to pay or the piece you want to pay
Speaker 1: for when you're when you're acquiring at deadline prices. You know,
Speaker 1: I I don't know you can you can do this?
Speaker 1: Something that San Diego doesn't really have pieces all their
Speaker 1: all their major pieces are on forever contracts. It's it's
Speaker 1: hard to know where to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's a lot of relievers. I think
Speaker 3: I think we're good like and and part of this
Speaker 3: is us Craig writing about this. There are gonna be
Speaker 3: so many reliever round ups.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also it's also I will say, it's also
Speaker 2: easy to say we plan on buying and then in
Speaker 2: I'm on saying we didn't like the prices for buying, right, but.
Speaker 3: You can always like the price on the reliever, right,
Speaker 3: and it's.
Speaker 2: It's because yeah, but the reliever market especially, I feel
Speaker 2: like last deadline was pretty hefty, relatively speaking.
Speaker 1: To me, Like, I don't know if they're going to
Speaker 1: do it, yeah, but I'm still looking at the Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: Pirates for forty six and forty five. Yeah, and have
Speaker 1: one of the worst bullpens I've ever seen, right, And
Speaker 1: I say that having seen whatever years it was, that
Speaker 1: the Phillies bullpen would just spontaneously implode like this is
Speaker 1: this should be the best news of all time to
Speaker 1: the Pirates. But I also don't know if they're going
Speaker 1: to do it, yeah, right, right, Like it should be
Speaker 1: a pretty slow I feel like maybe there'll be a
Speaker 1: lot of traits, but it's gonna be relatively slow on impacts.
Speaker 1: But like the one thing that they can address that
Speaker 1: they really need to address should be there in spades.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like the Cubs are in that same
Speaker 3: spot where they could desperately use They also could use
Speaker 3: a starter, yeah, several starters, but there are none of those,
Speaker 3: but there are, and they could use some relievers because
Speaker 3: all the relievers are now starters. Right.
Speaker 2: The Giants said that. The Giants said they're not going
Speaker 2: to make Logan Web available.
Speaker 3: Right, I don't know if it's a guy who's.
Speaker 2: Worth something, Yeah, the extensive guys who aren't worth anything
Speaker 2: are definitely available.
Speaker 1: He can have them if you want.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no one's going to take these.
Speaker 2: There was kind of one of those like speculative but
Speaker 2: possibly something their stories. I think in the athletic today,
Speaker 2: the Mets might be making Francisco Alvarez available. Why because
Speaker 2: they decided Louis Torrenz as their starting catcher for something. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't like it either, Craig.
Speaker 1: They can't possibly mean that well.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think they're gonna if they get like
Speaker 2: a haul for Alvarez, they will consider doing it more
Speaker 2: than anything else. But I think they're going to trade.
Speaker 1: All the last time there was a mid season trade
Speaker 1: of a catcher that was a.
Speaker 3: All yeah, yeah, and your team that doesn't doesn't really
Speaker 3: have another catcher, right, Like, you can at least see
Speaker 3: it with those two the tandem catcher teams. Yeah, like,
Speaker 3: which is why Danny Jansen gets getting traded every.
Speaker 2: Single year he's a free agent. But like if Ryan
Speaker 2: Jeffers still had two years left or something, right, like like.
Speaker 1: The the thing about catcher deals, and this applies to
Speaker 1: like Hunter Goodman, who I know Mario also wrote about
Speaker 1: by the Way and his potential for being traded, like
Speaker 1: it's always underwhelming relative to the quality of player, because
Speaker 1: it's it's a major in season switch for not just
Speaker 1: the catcher but the whole pitching staff.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, Patrick Bailey seems to be working out fine,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean within the.
Speaker 1: It's the same guy.
Speaker 3: It's just like.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it wouldn't surprise me that Patrick Bailey can
Speaker 1: adjust to a pitching staff.
Speaker 2: And continue to hit like Patrick Bailey in a new
Speaker 2: new environment.
Speaker 1: Like you say, it's working out. He's got a sixty
Speaker 1: four ops plus.
Speaker 2: Hey, that's Patrick Bailey, Patrick Bailey.
Speaker 1: But it's also legitimately it is work. It is dramatically
Speaker 1: better than what he had done in San Francisco and
Speaker 1: also worse than he's ever done over the course of
Speaker 1: a full season before.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, like, look, if you want like
Speaker 2: iffect them at They're gonna trade Parolta, They're gonna trade
Speaker 2: Raley probably trade aj Minder. I would not be surprised
Speaker 2: if they trade Luke Weaver, who I think will bring
Speaker 2: back the most of any of these guys because he
Speaker 2: is an extra year of control.
Speaker 1: You wrote about that, Yeah on Friday.
Speaker 2: You know Cincinnati, they could they trade uh Melio not
Speaker 2: Emelio Opac Meliopacan. Yeah, yeah, okay, he's he was bad
Speaker 2: before the jury. He was. But like again, like a
Speaker 2: lot of this stuff was like, you're not trading for
Speaker 2: Freddy Parolta because you think per Alta is a four
Speaker 2: r A pitcher going forward right, Like you think he's
Speaker 2: had a bad half season. All of this you're trading for.
Speaker 2: I saw Mets fans were freaking out because.
Speaker 1: Also just signed a two year deal with them.
Speaker 2: Sure, Wasscar Brasabon gave up like five runs yesterday to
Speaker 2: races R A to three and Mets fans are like, oh,
Speaker 2: they've ruined his trade value, And I'm like, no, Like
Speaker 2: his trade value has not changed at all. He's still
Speaker 2: Hostcar Brasabon, Like nobody was paying for the one point
Speaker 2: seventy r A of Wasscar Brazabon.
Speaker 1: Well, while I am uh, the last person I know
Speaker 1: would do that was that didn't didn't Sandy Older since
Speaker 1: say he.
Speaker 2: Like, no, he's sorted by Kate per nine and wasscarra
Speaker 2: I thought it was the Yeah, No, it was kro nine.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The the Reds have a lot of guys with surfaces,
Speaker 3: like Caleb Ferguson has like a one point six two
Speaker 3: e r A that you cannot believe would continue brock
Speaker 3: Burke two point ninety eight, like if you want to
Speaker 3: pay for past performance. The Rents have some.
Speaker 2: Leaders way, I mean, the Angels have already said they're
Speaker 2: not going to trade anyone that's any good, So that
Speaker 2: takes one of the bad teams.
Speaker 3: Well, they wouldn't They said they wouldn't trade one of
Speaker 3: their two starters. Who are the only people they could
Speaker 3: trade there?
Speaker 2: Uh? The Rockies. You know, maybe the Rockies trade more
Speaker 2: under de Podessa than they have under previous regimes. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: They don't really have an obvious expiring contract to trade now.
Speaker 2: No, I mean they could trade Centstella, right, you're selling
Speaker 2: high on Senstel. But I just don't think you know
Speaker 2: a reliever, you know, even like a multi inning guy
Speaker 2: striking out seven per nine. I know he's a sinker
Speaker 2: Ball's just not going to bring back that much, right,
Speaker 2: like and and he's it like Jimmy Hrdan, I guess.
Speaker 3: Freeman is one of the worst players in baseball. Of
Speaker 3: course he's one of the worst players in baseball because they.
Speaker 1: Keep playing him in the right field. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: what are the Royals are are so out of it?
Speaker 1: They can trade guys, but like who are they going
Speaker 1: to trade?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Royal Like the Royals are weird because
Speaker 3: if they do it, If the Royals trade guys, that's
Speaker 3: a big white flag, right, Like that's that's ending the era,
Speaker 3: Whereas it feels like.
Speaker 1: A lot of what is the era?
Speaker 3: Is the era? Yes it is, but but like it was.
Speaker 1: Two seasons, right and then they're bad. But like the
Speaker 1: I think the era is over with their performance this season,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you can. I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I was supportive of them running it back last year
Speaker 1: and it didn't go well. And then they ran it
Speaker 1: back this year again and it didn't. It's it's gone worse.
Speaker 1: I don't know, what what do you do?
Speaker 2: The old pictures, their old pictures have been worse. All
Speaker 2: their young pictures are hurt, right, Like.
Speaker 1: They're not going to augment I think that I think
Speaker 1: that era is over, Like they're not going to augment it.
Speaker 1: Like they're even like Jack is here and pretty.
Speaker 2: Good, pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bobby Witt has climbed out out of the hole
Speaker 1: he dug to start the season and it's been fantastic.
Speaker 1: That's all they get. Yeah, offensive, the Carter Jensen has
Speaker 1: been pretty.
Speaker 2: Right, Mike, Michael Garcia has gone back to being like
Speaker 2: three seventy slug Michael Garcia, Right, and like everybody again,
Speaker 2: it's the same story, right, Like you look at these OVPs, right,
Speaker 2: Carter Jensen three h nine beating past Quentino three oh nine,
Speaker 2: Michael Massey two eighty four, Kyle isbel to ninety eight,
Speaker 2: Isaac Collins is leading outside of Wit, is leading the
Speaker 2: team with three thirty nine. Yeah, and he's also slugging
Speaker 2: three forty four because he is Isaac Collins.
Speaker 1: Seal Perez their designated hitter as a two. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not playing him might be a first step towards
Speaker 3: whatever they're doing, whichever.
Speaker 1: They also can't they have nobody to backfill, right, they don't.
Speaker 1: They don't have another.
Speaker 3: No, they just they they don't have any backfields. They're
Speaker 3: terrible at that film, right. That is the thing that's
Speaker 3: that's what makes the Royals so frustrating is that they've
Speaker 3: had half a team. They've had the parts for a team.
Speaker 2: Like kag Leon was their most recent like high draft pick,
Speaker 2: and he got to the majors pretty quickly and after
Speaker 2: some initial struggles, looks like a good regular. But like
Speaker 2: maybe there's one Yeah, maybe there's more of the tech there.
Speaker 2: I think again, the approach is going to be somewhat
Speaker 2: limiting generally speaking. But you look at their other recent
Speaker 2: like first round picks. Yeah, you know, but Blake Mitchell
Speaker 2: has been okay. I mean he obviously missed all of
Speaker 2: last year with injury, is a prep catcher, et cetera,
Speaker 2: et cetera. He has had the most three true outcome
Speaker 2: season you could possibly envision. And you think, I'm just like,
Speaker 2: I'm just like I'm doing the Ron Swanson like I
Speaker 2: hear what you you think I'm saying. But he is.
Speaker 2: He is giving you all the walk, strikeouts and home
Speaker 2: runs that he has.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: He has three hundred and fifteen played appearances this year,
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety seven have ended in a walk,
Speaker 2: strikeout or home run, Like he is just robbed here
Speaker 2: at twenty one in quad Cities, which is not ideal.
Speaker 2: You know, before that I liked uh Devin Cross out
Speaker 2: of the draft. He just hasn't really worked out, yep.
Speaker 2: I like Frank Mazacado not as the seventh overall pick
Speaker 2: in the draft.
Speaker 1: And I didn't remember not to the Royals and to.
Speaker 2: The Royals and that has gone exactly as I would
Speaker 2: have expected. And then the after as Lacey and like
Speaker 2: Nick lofton, then you get back to Okay, they had
Speaker 2: a good run, right, they had Singer, they had Wit,
Speaker 2: you know, boo Bitch. I mean they had the draft
Speaker 2: where they had a ton of fur round picks and Singer,
Speaker 2: Kovar Lynch and Boo Bitch, which sort of on aggregate
Speaker 2: have worked out fine. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the Lace pick really hurt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again it was it was it was tough
Speaker 2: because one of the best college in the draft. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And they just beyond that, they don't have the depth
Speaker 2: of God like they don't like Nick often is like
Speaker 2: a relatively good outcome for their high draft picks.
Speaker 3: They can't develop a quality team around with and they
Speaker 3: can't sign a quality team around Bobby.
Speaker 1: Wait, I certainly won't.
Speaker 3: And the thing is that, like, yes, you can't have
Speaker 3: a good team if you can't do any of those things. Also,
Speaker 3: you can't just accept that those are going to be
Speaker 3: bad forever, because then why have a baseball team.
Speaker 1: Welcome to many years of the Pittsburgh Pirates. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know again, and I'm happy for the Pirates fans that
Speaker 1: they've been better this year.
Speaker 3: But like, but the Pirates didn't pretend, and the Royals
Speaker 3: did spend some time pretending, and it'd be weird for
Speaker 3: them to just stop pretending now, like they seem to
Speaker 3: believe in themselves. It feels like selling now would be
Speaker 3: a turnaround on that, and maybe not necessarily an unjustified one,
Speaker 3: but it would surprise them.
Speaker 2: The Royals have not had a second round pick make
Speaker 2: the Major since two thousand and night.
Speaker 1: Really hard to do it. That's good, that's good, right,
Speaker 1: especially when you miss on some of your first.
Speaker 2: Rounders, right, And I'm looking at this list of names,
Speaker 2: and you know, outside of the more recent picks, and
Speaker 2: like what David Shield's doing this year, he's been fine,
Speaker 2: but like most of these guys are probably not going
Speaker 2: to make it either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't need to get too bogged down on
Speaker 1: in the Royals. But like.
Speaker 2: I said, do you know the last second round pick
Speaker 2: by the Royals to have more than two and a
Speaker 2: half wins above replacement Bob Hammeler Carlos Beltron. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: that's nineteen ninety five for the record.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean here's the other here's the other part
Speaker 1: of this, Like the big ticket item for this deadline
Speaker 1: is Scoobale right right. The Tigers are five how Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of teams in between.
Speaker 3: I just wondered if the Bob Hamlin was a second
Speaker 3: round pick he did not make it to two points.
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, But like it's.
Speaker 1: They're five out, and I understand there's there's I don't
Speaker 1: know six seven teams in between them and that playoff spot.
Speaker 1: But none of those teams are good either.
Speaker 2: Right, Like I legitimately Tigers are better than all of them,
Speaker 2: like the.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so Boston is a game ahead of them
Speaker 1: and has a plus five.
Speaker 2: Run differential, right, and they won eight of ten.
Speaker 1: So every every other team ahead of them, including two
Speaker 1: teams in the wildcard, have a negative run differential, and
Speaker 1: the Tigers are at plus eleven. Like in all honesty.
Speaker 1: The Tigers should not be training school unless unless they're
Speaker 1: getting blown away.
Speaker 2: I mean they can run this down to the wire
Speaker 2: to write and see where they are.
Speaker 1: They should, right, they should, and and like unless you're
Speaker 1: getting in, I don't know, and I apologize if I'm
Speaker 1: mispronounced it. Josewe to Paula. Joseie to Paula, Jose to Paula. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hoose to Paula. If if you're getting him, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, Katie Katie wou for the Athletic Report, he's untouchable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he should be. And you're gonna be very like
Speaker 2: if I had my druthers, and I'm not going to
Speaker 2: have my druthers, I think it would be one on
Speaker 2: the mid season fifty.
Speaker 1: He if you're getting him, okay, sure, right and probably
Speaker 1: you know and maybe someone whatever.
Speaker 2: But like if you're getting Mike Saroda, and I like Mike,
Speaker 2: so he's also be very high on the middle fifty.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't know. This is so just our
Speaker 1: rundown says. Is this going to be a slow deadline
Speaker 1: because of the parody or an expensive one? I don't
Speaker 1: know that it'll be slow. I think there will be
Speaker 1: a lot of trades. I think they're all going to
Speaker 1: be like, what is this Brooks Raley, You're well, it's
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot of relievers, but it's also
Speaker 1: it's also just going to be like again trading part
Speaker 1: arts like can I patch a hole here and maybe
Speaker 1: be thinner here? But and but I don't know if
Speaker 1: a ton of it's going to be big. And like
Speaker 1: the other part of the Katie wu article, uh where
Speaker 1: they she talked about how the Dodgers Art said he's
Speaker 1: he's off limits for Apaula is that they are willing
Speaker 1: to trade from there. They have very extensive outfield the
Speaker 1: prospects depth, but but they basically want other prospects. They
Speaker 1: want infield prospects or pitching prospects or whatever. So like
Speaker 1: it's they're not talking about going and getting Trek Scooble.
Speaker 2: Be very funny to flips all your hope for like
Speaker 2: another low miners prospect and just keep the shaking to get.
Speaker 1: The Michael Bush. So like, I think we're gonna see
Speaker 1: stuff like that, like the moves that the Rays specialize in.
Speaker 1: Right like whatever that deal was where they they would
Speaker 1: Seattle and another team, I think right where they trade
Speaker 1: Diego Castillo and got back you know, like whatever that
Speaker 1: deal was a while back. Gonna see stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I think we're going to see three team deals where
Speaker 1: it's just again it's it's filling parts. It's we're gonna
Speaker 1: see the Hunter Forduccia.
Speaker 2: Adam's trade for Matt McLain for some reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Sure, it'll probably be the Royals, the Rays will get
Speaker 3: a player without trading anyone.
Speaker 1: Again that well, that was the Dodgers, I mean the.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm always I'm always impressed when a three team
Speaker 3: trade with somebody just getting.
Speaker 1: But I think it's going to be the Dodgers. Raise
Speaker 1: Brewers for the Mariners in there, because Jerry's always in
Speaker 1: trades like that kind.
Speaker 2: Of Mariners also need relievers, yes, I and.
Speaker 1: So I That's that's where I'm coming out on it.
Speaker 1: It's I know that's not like you know, fancy analysis
Speaker 1: or whatever, but that that really seems like where we're
Speaker 1: where we're headed. And again, this is the incentive that
Speaker 1: when you put six teams in each league and you
Speaker 1: get a weird year on performance like over here.
Speaker 2: Right, like the American League being as weird as it
Speaker 2: and the American League having like teams with aspirations like
Speaker 2: the Jays, the Orioles, the Red Sox, the Tigers.
Speaker 1: So many teams have fallen flat on their face, right,
Speaker 1: but also aren't really far enough out or are so
Speaker 1: pot committed. Yeah, you can't sell if you're Toronto this year, right.
Speaker 2: And also like if you're the I know it has
Speaker 2: not been a great year for the Jays, but you
Speaker 2: know they're only three out. You're gonnak at the team
Speaker 2: that you can better work better than these teams, like
Speaker 2: we are a few weeks away from being in this Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, and again like running for their minus forty two,
Speaker 1: they really haven't been. But you have to believe you
Speaker 1: are right. You have to believe Vlad can stop hitting
Speaker 1: only singles. Yeah, right, at some point and that changes.
Speaker 2: Because if he can't, you've got longer term problems. In
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: Sure, but I think six you just got to.
Speaker 2: Ride it, get on, get on Ernie Clement's back, and.
Speaker 1: That takes us to our second segment. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: on Ernie clements back and go to our second segment. Hey,
Speaker 1: now you're an all star. We've got starting lineups.
Speaker 2: We don't have the full teams the full team before
Speaker 2: we do.
Speaker 1: Okay, lay it on me, I thought. I decided, I
Speaker 1: realized that could look.
Speaker 2: You're the one posted about never Wrong just early on
Speaker 2: my Gal Vargas.
Speaker 1: But I thought he was a starter.
Speaker 2: He's just on the No, this is a very good
Speaker 2: like never Wrong just early group. We got Jordan Walker,
Speaker 2: we got Miguel Vargas.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I.
Speaker 1: Thought about going to look it up, and then I
Speaker 1: thought maybe I will just respond in real time and
Speaker 1: see if it is there anything that's gonna gonna pop.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of relievers, as Patrick last, that's not surprising.
Speaker 3: Nationally has like three relievers, right, they have a lot
Speaker 3: of starters, have a lot of starters. So it's Mason
Speaker 3: Miller and rise Igasias and John Dura the only three relievers.
Speaker 2: That's all you need, Frank, all.
Speaker 3: Three excellent closers for you know, and somebody, Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Somebody had to make.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No. The American League has uh this is this
Speaker 3: is probably my only actual annoyance with the American with
Speaker 3: the All Star roster this year is that the American
Speaker 3: League has four first basemen and seven starting pitchers and
Speaker 3: there are five times as many starting pitchers as there
Speaker 3: are first basemen. Like the starting pitching has always been
Speaker 3: underrepresented in the Australia, just historically. You know, it used
Speaker 3: to be that. You know, in the old days, everybody
Speaker 3: pitched two winnings and so you just got five.
Speaker 2: Having no good team in the al As, there's been
Speaker 2: no good starting pitching in the al either.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Nathany Aldi could have fit on this roster.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you this. I don't know if this
Speaker 1: would be hot take. I don't think South Stewart should
Speaker 1: be here.
Speaker 2: He's been somebody had to make I guess Burns made
Speaker 2: it from the Red So yeah.
Speaker 1: He has a one to seventeen ops plus as a
Speaker 1: first basement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of this might be like the players voted
Speaker 2: earlier or something when his umbers were better.
Speaker 1: Look, he was absolutely phenomenal to start this. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: version absolutely deserves to be here.
Speaker 2: I think this is the South. This is what you're
Speaker 2: gonna You're gonna get South Stewart. It's like an eight
Speaker 2: hundred ops first and like on the not like eight
Speaker 2: hundreds ops, eight hundred ops first base.
Speaker 1: Dhah and to Patrick's like, why are there for first basement?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well because that's not starting.
Speaker 1: Now has four first basemen.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah, the NLS four first baseman and the
Speaker 3: American league's four first baseman.
Speaker 2: It's just like, well, second base is terrible in both leagues.
Speaker 2: You might as well slowed up on first basement.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look auto, look Otto Lopez is Oh no, he's
Speaker 1: at short stop now anyway, I forgot, but he can
Speaker 1: play second. He's like deservingly there.
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean sure, Although, okay.
Speaker 1: Here's another one. Why is Travis Bazana here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that was.
Speaker 2: A question because Kate Smith obviously man like whatever, he's
Speaker 2: Kate Smith, but he's a good reliever, right, I fine,
Speaker 2: Bazana like hasn't played like he's played fine, but he
Speaker 2: also hasn't played.
Speaker 1: It's very solid.
Speaker 2: And again, second base is not very deep. I don't
Speaker 2: know why he's here instead of Ezekiel Dron Right.
Speaker 1: Well, again, if you're going to give it to someone
Speaker 1: who like is doing it purely off the strength of
Speaker 1: this season, right because Basanna is.
Speaker 2: No track record beyond, then just give it to Doran.
Speaker 2: I do think there's this idea that they want to get,
Speaker 2: you know, going back to like Misrawski making the team
Speaker 2: last year.
Speaker 1: I Actually, that's it. That's a valid argument, right if
Speaker 1: you said, like, we don't want to give it to
Speaker 1: a Rando Bazana was the first round pick, starts him
Speaker 1: to be right, Sorry, first, that's what I'm meant. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we expect him to be good. That is Actually I
Speaker 1: may or may not agree, but it's a real cojing argument,
Speaker 1: and I think a better use of the All Star Game.
Speaker 1: Then here's a good first half, right, I like, Also,
Speaker 1: the only reason he's here is here's a good first half.
Speaker 1: And he didn't even come up that early.
Speaker 2: Right, And it hasn't been that good at first half. No,
Speaker 2: not that Duran has been amazing or anything himself, Like
Speaker 2: he's a very similar line to Bazana, but he's played
Speaker 2: eighty one games, right, Like, I don't know. And look,
Speaker 2: there's a very good chance that Duran will end up
Speaker 2: on this rocker at some point because they're going to
Speaker 2: add another twenty players in the next week.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you.
Speaker 2: Look at like I'm just gonna look at the leaders
Speaker 2: at second base this year, you know, Chase.
Speaker 1: Literally Chase, I do get but I guess to my mind,
Speaker 1: like you then you fill the starter and just do
Speaker 1: middle infielders find another shortstop. I don't care.
Speaker 2: It's very funny to me that like Bezanna made it
Speaker 2: and weather Holt didn't.
Speaker 3: And yeah, well that's so that's the at Lopez thing,
Speaker 3: because like Otto, Lopez also isn't the only Marlin in
Speaker 3: right Max, Yeah, x Minor is there, but also Xavier
Speaker 3: Edwards did not make it, and it seems very weird
Speaker 3: that one of them.
Speaker 1: Didn't having they're both having very they're both a great year.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Lopez deserves to be there, sure.
Speaker 3: But then if you did Xavier Edwards, then you could do. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but then like you'd bump Louis Arise and like, I
Speaker 3: guess you need to have Louis Rise there.
Speaker 1: You don't need to, but he looks he's also having
Speaker 1: a nice year. I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like weatherhol and Terrag probably both got
Speaker 2: snobbed a little bit here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well but yeah, but does you dropel Stewart and
Speaker 1: three first Basement and you can add one of these guys.
Speaker 1: I think the outfield is entirely deserving perfectly. Brenda Marsh
Speaker 1: is a starter. It's still a little weird. It's a
Speaker 1: little weird. I mean, so and again he's had a
Speaker 1: great year, but so is Andy Pies as a starter.
Speaker 1: But like the rest of the outfield is also all
Speaker 1: these guys in the NL are are deserving to be there.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Baker just yeah, Brian.
Speaker 1: Good year, good year. No, I'm not trying, not trying
Speaker 1: to reliever.
Speaker 2: Well, I also don't know why.
Speaker 1: He closed for them, didn't He's been their closer And
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 2: Patrick was talking about how many relievers are in the
Speaker 2: AL without matching that one of the starters is Michael Waka.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and he's the he is the Royals representative, right, No, yeah,
Speaker 3: all right, okay, Nathan Ivaldi could have gone for Michael Walker.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Nathan.
Speaker 2: Again, I think some of these are just the players
Speaker 2: votes are going to be weird. Well, we see the
Speaker 2: players votes, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not. Yeah, I mean you said Kate Smith,
Speaker 1: Parker mess the Guardians have three.
Speaker 2: Man Well, Parker Mastic deserve like Bankly Parker mat deserves it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not I'm just saying they have multiple they
Speaker 1: have multiple guys. I tell you I wasn't. I had
Speaker 1: lost track after the rough start and minor rebound for
Speaker 1: for Ranger Suarez. Yeah, I'm not. I was not expecting
Speaker 1: him to be on the All Star team.
Speaker 2: Well he's not going to be my fault grind, but yeah,
Speaker 2: well but he was.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 1: He is an All Star. He is an star, yes,
Speaker 1: not even if he's not on the team.
Speaker 3: It's it's very funny, I know, you know. Obviously the
Speaker 3: Toronto the Canadians packed the vote, although they only succeeded
Speaker 3: in actually putting two guys in through the voting process, right,
Speaker 3: despite basically destroying any purpose of the runoff. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: the idea the Blue Jays have four All Stars is
Speaker 3: still pretty funny for a team that's like a negative
Speaker 3: fifty frand differential the Mariners have. One part of this
Speaker 3: pitching thing for the American League is that none of
Speaker 3: the Mariners starters made it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like you kind of them really they really
Speaker 2: deserved it. They were all better than Michael some of
Speaker 2: them better than Michael waka Michael Walker.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a there, Yeah, I mean yeah. The
Speaker 1: Blue Jays thing is is Clement and Guerrero don't really
Speaker 1: deserve to be I mean a Clement does.
Speaker 3: It's the best second basement in the American League. It's
Speaker 3: just a really bad position.
Speaker 1: Like again, Doran has been better, has he has he
Speaker 1: tailed off? I thought I thought Ernie Clement had like
Speaker 1: a ninety five.
Speaker 3: I think it's like a one O seven is up.
Speaker 1: To one seven?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Duran's around one ten, So he's.
Speaker 1: At one sixteen Doran and it's.
Speaker 3: It's one of seven. I think.
Speaker 1: By I mean, if you want to see good enough
Speaker 1: ball park, that's fine. Again, this is like first half stuff.
Speaker 1: If you want to give Clement the credit for the
Speaker 1: the playoffs, I think that's fine.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Again, some of this stuff is til you get trailing
Speaker 1: performance stuff. I don't really have a problem, but like
Speaker 1: flat doesn't deserve The thing is that the pitchers really do.
Speaker 1: Dylan Ceese and and lou Varland have been phenomenal as well.
Speaker 1: All I was trying to say, Yeah, and I honestly
Speaker 1: don't really have a problem with Vlad being there. He
Speaker 1: shouldn't be a starter, but I again, he is a star,
Speaker 1: and I know he has not been good this year.
Speaker 1: But the whole thing with the first half performance stuff, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's not so much like angry stuffs so
Speaker 3: much just funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, shall we go to our third segment,
Speaker 1: drag me down to hell? The baseballs are different. We
Speaker 1: are I don't know, are we indifferent?
Speaker 2: I'm I am at this point because it's it happens there,
Speaker 2: like this is just what baseball is now and what
Speaker 2: the baseballs are right. This is kind of weaved its
Speaker 2: way into the fabric of how we have to talk
Speaker 2: about baseball now.
Speaker 1: I think it is. It is an issue that is
Speaker 1: both important and in many ways none of my business.
Speaker 2: It's important to know about everyone's.
Speaker 1: My My issue had going back to the kind of
Speaker 1: the first kind of breakthrough reporting on this stuff had
Speaker 1: been with the league's obstinates in you know, coming forward
Speaker 1: with any information the sifications. It's straight up lying about
Speaker 1: the specifications. Yeah, I don't love the specifications are extremely wide.
Speaker 1: And so that's like a very meaningless makes the phrase
Speaker 1: so great rejoinder. But my issue was with their their
Speaker 1: last of truthfulness. Frankly, like they just they lied about
Speaker 1: stuff and they got caught lion, and that to me
Speaker 1: was a really really really big scandal. Beyond that, like
Speaker 1: they appear to be extremely bad at you know, consistent
Speaker 1: consistent production in this stuff, and that is that is
Speaker 1: something I think is important that they need to clarify.
Speaker 1: I also like, I'm not it doesn't upset me on
Speaker 1: a ethical or moral basis. I guess like it doesn't offend.
Speaker 3: Let's actually establish what happened.
Speaker 1: I'm just so, I'm going back to the to the
Speaker 1: stuff we've already talked about way back when, right, like,
Speaker 1: to me, the scandal was they tried to cover it up.
Speaker 1: The yeah, exactly, and they are incompetent, right, And I
Speaker 1: don't believe they've gotten more competent, and that is a problem.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a scandal.
Speaker 3: So anyway, what happened is that after the baseball was
Speaker 3: normal for the first two months of the season, basically
Speaker 3: starting around June, the baseball stop.
Speaker 1: Well, and there's no normal.
Speaker 3: It was well, it was it was twenty twenty five
Speaker 3: drag coefficients.
Speaker 1: Kind of because I will say, I was talking about
Speaker 1: this with someone else and and like you can you
Speaker 1: can go search Matt Trueblood's Blue Sky posts and he's
Speaker 1: been since May being like the drag is dropping and
Speaker 1: it's weird. It's right, So like it's been whatever, But
Speaker 1: go ahead, I'm sorry, I keep saying.
Speaker 3: So Basically, Homer's for flaball in general norma, as the
Speaker 3: season warms up, they go up, right, It goes up
Speaker 3: generally about half a percent per month. In May it
Speaker 3: was ten point eight. In June, it's thirteen in July.
Speaker 3: So far it's fourteen point seven. We are now seeing
Speaker 3: drag that's as close to twenty nineteen as we've seen
Speaker 3: since twenty nineteen. That's what's going on. As far as like,
Speaker 3: I think I care more about this than either of
Speaker 3: you two do.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: I think part of it is that there's there's I'm
Speaker 3: of two mindst So one is that, like the question
Speaker 3: is why did the why did Like there's never really
Speaker 3: been answered why baseball? Why MLB lied about it in
Speaker 3: the first place, right, because you could have just said, yes,
Speaker 3: we're having some manufacturing problems. You try making a baseball,
Speaker 3: see how you well you do? And that could have
Speaker 3: just been and people wouldn't annoyed, but they wouldn't have
Speaker 3: been annoyed.
Speaker 1: Well, whatever I will say on the like, you try
Speaker 1: making a baseball, see how well you do? Is the
Speaker 1: front is that like other people were making the baseball,
Speaker 1: they bought the factory and said, like, we're going to
Speaker 1: do this and then I don't know. Maybe, look, we
Speaker 1: didn't pay attention to this kind of stuff. We didn't
Speaker 1: have stat cast to start measuring the drag on this stuff,
Speaker 1: like back when MLB wasn't co owners of the of
Speaker 1: the production facility. But maybe it was also a problem that.
Speaker 3: You can like.
Speaker 2: They definitely took us drag, right, or they definitely.
Speaker 1: But they took a company that knew what they were
Speaker 1: doing and had supply chain stuff in place and took
Speaker 1: it over and like they didn't have that expertise, so
Speaker 1: like it wouldn't surprise me if it got worse now
Speaker 1: I'm not Again, maybe the prior company also had these
Speaker 1: problems and we all just said, like a lot of
Speaker 1: home runs this month, yeah, right, like we didn't know,
Speaker 1: but now we know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so keeping like home runs for fly ball,
Speaker 3: which we tracked the last twenty five years, I think
Speaker 3: basically that number since two thousand and two generally in
Speaker 3: the six to seventy eight percent range for a decade
Speaker 3: and a half. And then but are you going by
Speaker 3: year or by going by a year in league wide?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: And then like the swing approach, and then you have
Speaker 3: the launch angle of revolution quote unquote right.
Speaker 1: Which which again is in tandem with the ball change, right,
Speaker 1: and now we're seeing generally numbers more like ten eleven,
Speaker 1: like in.
Speaker 3: Twenty nineteen, it's twelve point eight for the year. It
Speaker 3: was way down before, like it was like eight point three.
Speaker 3: Given that we're only through you know, only through the
Speaker 3: cold months for the most part, was the lowest since
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen. That wouldn't have stayed there, but it's it
Speaker 3: was starting pretty low. We also no go ahead.
Speaker 1: I was just say Ben Ben Lindberg and Andino Saras
Speaker 1: asked the league about their baseballs and the production right
Speaker 1: this is last week, and they answered, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to read the whole thing. It's it's a fairly lengthy
Speaker 1: to paragraphs, but they basically answered and said, everything's within
Speaker 1: specifications as expected. And also some of these baseballs have
Speaker 1: some yellow discoloration because it's some oil and it's like
Speaker 1: it's potentially leaking into the the like through the seams
Speaker 1: into the specific But they answer this, they bring it
Speaker 1: up and like, I'm just gonna quote what Ben said.
Speaker 1: He said, I asked MLB about the recent variability in
Speaker 1: the drag and carry of the baseball. Here's the league's response,
Speaker 1: and then they just launched into like yellowing from excess
Speaker 1: oil from the yarn inside the baseball, and it was
Speaker 1: it is one of the most like my statement on
Speaker 1: the yellowing of the baseball is answering a lot of
Speaker 1: questions brought up by my statement. No one was asking
Speaker 1: about yellow baseballs. The question was about drag and carry,
Speaker 1: and they're like, listen, the baseballs are yellow, but it
Speaker 1: shouldn't impact the drag and the care. And it's like, well,
Speaker 1: something is why is every beat yellow? Hold on?
Speaker 3: So all right, So to go back to my point
Speaker 3: about the two lines, uh people, I think generally people
Speaker 3: don't want the baseball to change. They want it to
Speaker 3: be predictable. We want this partially because we want our
Speaker 3: players to have the same playing field as previous players.
Speaker 3: Baseball has this thing about, you know, the field, the
Speaker 3: way the game is played not changing very much so
Speaker 3: that we can compare players so that we can get
Speaker 3: a better sense of how good they are. Right. You
Speaker 3: also have the external factors, which you know about who
Speaker 3: is betting on these games. I don't I don't care
Speaker 3: about the betting on the games. People do care about
Speaker 3: the betting on the games. And yes, it looks weird, but.
Speaker 2: The season, like, you know, all this information is available, right,
Speaker 2: Like if you're an actual sharp or you're a casino,
Speaker 2: you are looking at stuff like car remember fly ball
Speaker 2: rate and run environment before you're setting over underlines.
Speaker 1: Sure so sure, but look, this is a rapid in
Speaker 1: season change.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like someone's probably got caught.
Speaker 1: With their pants down, right, so to speak, whether it's
Speaker 1: a better or or a book or whatever. I think
Speaker 1: the only part I and I don't really care, but
Speaker 1: like MLB really has to care about in this regard
Speaker 1: is their partners with these sports books are probably not thrilled.
Speaker 3: They're not happy.
Speaker 1: I imagine if the league was capable of shame, they
Speaker 1: should be embarrassed, right, But like I don't know that
Speaker 1: they are. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm not going to care on those people's behalf.
Speaker 1: No, no, not to admit.
Speaker 3: That those forces are there that this this game to
Speaker 3: be consistent and because of those partnerships, every time something
Speaker 3: like this happens, you go, okay, but you know what people.
Speaker 1: Right right, this and this was the whole thing. Look,
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time saying, like, I don't
Speaker 1: think these partnerships are like people talk about getting in
Speaker 1: bed with the sports books and stuff like, I don't
Speaker 1: think they're necessarily that kind of thing, but it raises
Speaker 1: the possibility. Like you, you've got to be on top
Speaker 1: of your game. You have to be very clean about
Speaker 1: all of this stuff. And the reality is MLB is
Speaker 1: very messy. Yeah, and so it introduces that possibility. And
Speaker 1: again they should be embarrassed by all of that.
Speaker 3: It is the part of the cost of doing business
Speaker 3: to be to work with these people is that you
Speaker 3: have to You're getting all this money from those you know,
Speaker 3: from the gamblers, less money than they spent. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: whatever money you're getting, somebody what I'm.
Speaker 1: Saying, like they should like you, you would hope given
Speaker 1: given everything that comes with it, like you, it should
Speaker 1: have been more money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know what I mean. True, but you
Speaker 3: need to take some of that money and invest it
Speaker 3: in me making sure that you don't screw up like this,
Speaker 3: Like it's part of the cost of doing this particular
Speaker 3: type of business.
Speaker 1: Couldn't agree more.
Speaker 3: Now that's it. I actually like random baseball, Yeah, independent
Speaker 3: of independent of everything else. Yeah.
Speaker 1: This this goes back to the original report that like
Speaker 1: I don't care as much like if everyone's playing by
Speaker 1: the same, like random rules, not that the rules are
Speaker 1: like the randomness of the ball is true if it's
Speaker 1: truly random, and like you get what you get and
Speaker 1: you don't get upset, like and it's not biased in
Speaker 1: some way, shape or form.
Speaker 3: He's getting all the Yeah, I don't know what what
Speaker 3: you get. I don't think it happened, but you are
Speaker 3: opening up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, anyway, as long as it's all even what it
Speaker 4: does like this is this is a chance to throw
Speaker 4: a little bit of fair chaos into the game.
Speaker 3: And I think the sport needs more fair chaos. I
Speaker 3: think baseball needs to be more complicated for the people
Speaker 3: we need. We need the people who are his job
Speaker 3: is to solve the game to have more work to do,
Speaker 3: and this is a good way to give them more work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's not good when it's entirely we don't
Speaker 1: want it to be predictable, right, that's exactly.
Speaker 2: Look, you can't I cannot say anything bad about the
Speaker 2: baseballs because it's allowed Junior Camon Arrow to do whatever
Speaker 2: he's doing, which he might be doing with like if
Speaker 2: he was swinging at bowling balls at this point.
Speaker 1: So, and to be clear, that there's there's additional I
Speaker 1: keep mentioning the original reporting, which was was broadly on
Speaker 1: the backs of Bradford, William Davis, and Meredith Wills for
Speaker 1: Business Insider. Bradford had come out with a new article
Speaker 1: today this morning on some emails he got a hold
Speaker 1: of from Morgan Sword to various scientists and other legal officials.
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing Bradford seems to be focusing on
Speaker 1: in his article is that Sword mentions a target home
Speaker 1: run rate and these are These are from twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: to be clear, So this is new reporting on at
Speaker 1: the time discussions. These are not like new and I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to downplay it necessarily, but like it would
Speaker 1: hit differently to me, so to speak, if if we
Speaker 1: had an email from Morgan's Sword in May, or even
Speaker 1: in or even in February that said we want a
Speaker 1: different home run rate and now the ball is changing, right,
Speaker 1: These are twenty nine. I just want to set the
Speaker 1: scene for everyone. These are twenty nineteen emails, so it
Speaker 1: is of the of a piece of of when we're
Speaker 1: talking about those original reporting. I don't have a problem
Speaker 1: with the league wanting a target home run right, or
Speaker 1: run environment or anything we've seen. We've seen the was it.
Speaker 1: The MVB and KBO have both come out and said
Speaker 1: like we're ching the balls for this reason. Right, I
Speaker 1: don't think that's scandalous. Again, I think the league should
Speaker 1: be more forthcoming or not because people people's lives are
Speaker 1: based on it, right, Like, yeah.
Speaker 2: And this is sport. This is no only sport. This happens.
Speaker 2: And obviously there's remember that probably over a decade ago
Speaker 2: at MBA they changed they had like the slick basketballs
Speaker 2: whatever it was soccer like because it's.
Speaker 1: Well and they yeah, they changed it and then changed
Speaker 1: it back with it.
Speaker 2: Like the World Cup soccer ball is just different from
Speaker 2: any other soccer ball usually like this year, I know
Speaker 2: people have noticed it the playoff balls because it has
Speaker 2: the sensor and it like it's it's moving slightly differently
Speaker 2: because it has like slightly different I don't center gravity
Speaker 2: or whatever. But there have been issues before. There's one
Speaker 2: of them. I think it was a twenty ten World
Speaker 2: Cup had like a weird kind of like knuckleball effect
Speaker 2: to it that goalkeepers didn't like. Obviously, there was like
Speaker 2: the flight gate in the NFL, right, like, this is
Speaker 2: just something that but baseball. I think because baseball is
Speaker 2: so based around like it's it's baseball, it is really
Speaker 2: kind of like a physics experiment when you everything is physics,
Speaker 2: right from the pitches to the ball, how the ball
Speaker 2: travels off the bat and everything else in a way
Speaker 2: that kind of like other sports aren't as heavily indebted
Speaker 2: to just because like the distance being traveled is generally
Speaker 2: more so we're never getting away from this now that
Speaker 2: we can measure it basically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and again I guess I just I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think. I think you could argue the league should
Speaker 1: target home run right, they should want the consistency.
Speaker 2: Yes, it doesn't really matter what the rate is, as
Speaker 2: long as there's right, right, right right.
Speaker 1: The second half of what matters is can you do it?
Speaker 1: Can you produce a ball or a series of balls
Speaker 1: that consistently in that range? And the answer and the embarrassing.
Speaker 2: Part don't know anymore.
Speaker 1: And why I would assume the league isn't forthcoming about
Speaker 1: this is they would they have and would fail? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were, you know, they could come out and say
Speaker 1: we want a I don't know, what did you say?
Speaker 1: It was mostly six and then it's ten and obviously
Speaker 1: now it's they might say we want somewhere in the
Speaker 1: eight twelve range, and then people are gonna say, like, hey, fucos,
Speaker 1: it's fourteen percent, right, what's wrong with you?
Speaker 2: And that's so, why are these baseball so oily?
Speaker 1: What? What's wrong with you? And they would say they're yellow?
Speaker 1: But it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 3: It's a pleasant color.
Speaker 1: I really, I've.
Speaker 2: Never I just keep thinking back. You remember, I know
Speaker 2: you guys watch X Files, but the cerulean blue episode,
Speaker 2: and they're just saying, like, I don't know, like it's
Speaker 2: it's like dandelion yellow, just like over and try to like.
Speaker 1: The issue with the supplier. But due to necessary lead
Speaker 1: times associated with baseball production, the balls out the staining
Speaker 1: will not be shipped to clubs until late in the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Put some more mud on them to cover up the
Speaker 2: yellow stains.
Speaker 1: Well, so they do say MLB's game day compliance monitors
Speaker 1: remove any baseballs that show cosmetic imperfections after the pregame
Speaker 1: mudding process. Now they do. They also say, to be clear,
Speaker 1: there has been no change in the materials or manufacturing
Speaker 1: process of the baseball. I mean, but I don't know
Speaker 1: how that squares with extra oil in the yard that
Speaker 1: has been.
Speaker 2: Resolved but is also still but also it was never changed.
Speaker 1: We've resolved the issue, there have been no changes. Absolutely incredible.
Speaker 1: On that note, Let's take a break. We're going to
Speaker 1: resolve to never change, and we will be back with
Speaker 1: the Restless. Welcome back to episode five hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: of five and dive. We're on our fourth segment. We're
Speaker 1: going around the Horn. We'll start with some bad news.
Speaker 1: We've got two UCL reconstructions, one of which will actually
Speaker 1: be a third U Seel reconstruction for Paul Reagans. We
Speaker 1: managed not to bring that up specifically in the entire
Speaker 1: discussion we had on the Royal Well.
Speaker 2: I did say they were starting pitching was either bad
Speaker 2: or hurt, and he's.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: It feels Likechael Reagan's has gotten Tommy John in the
Speaker 3: middle of his other Tommy John. I feel like every
Speaker 3: every month we talk about him getting Tommy John.
Speaker 1: He he had also a lot of shoulder issues. I mean,
Speaker 1: like this is their window basically flew open when they
Speaker 1: traded a rold As trapman for Cole Reagan's and Cole
Speaker 1: Reagan's was elite and it's basically like, again, if he's
Speaker 1: gonna miss next year, how can next year possibly be better? Right?
Speaker 2: I think they also they can't done it. It is,
Speaker 2: but also they can't do anything to change it, right,
Speaker 2: Like that they can't do anything to change it, and
Speaker 2: they can't. Also they don't have any of miss out.
Speaker 1: Okay, well no, no, I want to be I know
Speaker 1: we all know this, but like they can do something
Speaker 1: to okay, but they will not fair, they will not.
Speaker 1: I think it's just so on that front, it's pretty devastating.
Speaker 1: It's not a change from the status quo because he's
Speaker 1: been hurt most of the season, but it's it's a
Speaker 1: very long term. Yeah, and like we don't know if
Speaker 1: he can come back from it from.
Speaker 2: A third do you see l surgery? Like it's like
Speaker 2: Johnny Benter's and like I can't think of anybody else
Speaker 2: that's actually come back from it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the only one I I'm thinking of at
Speaker 1: the moment. Carl Stephen also going under under the knife
Speaker 1: for you see all reconstruction. It's a tough one. That's
Speaker 1: what he's the guardians. He was the Shane Beabery turn
Speaker 1: right and and someone who could have could have arrow
Speaker 1: up guy last year. Yeah, and then has been.
Speaker 2: Could have been a twenty twenty six factor in their
Speaker 2: rotation based on where he started the season.
Speaker 1: Brandon Woodruff has a dead arm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we know moving it's dead, Jim moving on.
Speaker 1: This is probably the biggest item of discussion on the
Speaker 1: field from the weekend. Urie Perez had a perfect game
Speaker 1: through seven innings, pulled at ninety two pitches. It was
Speaker 1: what eight nothing? Yes, it and ended up a one
Speaker 1: run game.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The reliever immediately immediately walked a guy, so then it
Speaker 1: was a no hitter and then gave up five runs
Speaker 1: I think straight off the bat, and then they tacked
Speaker 1: on a couple more to make it a one run game.
Speaker 2: I don't like speaking of discourse. I'm just not This
Speaker 2: is just baseball now. The baseballs are inconsistent. The pitchers
Speaker 2: get pulled earlier during no hitters perfect games. Like give
Speaker 2: him Perez's age and his injury history.
Speaker 1: I don't, and he's what this is his third start
Speaker 1: off the IL.
Speaker 2: I don't have a huge problem with this, Like, like
Speaker 2: the fact of the matter is as cool as no
Speaker 2: hitters and perfect games are, Like they're just not cool
Speaker 2: enough or remembered enough to be worth.
Speaker 1: So I I just I disagree, Okay, I agree with
Speaker 1: you on no hitters. Perfect games are one of the
Speaker 1: rarest things in these they are.
Speaker 2: But also who to the last one?
Speaker 1: Like, I don't remember anything. That's that's that's a gotcha,
Speaker 1: that's not fair.
Speaker 2: The only one I remember is Tom Browning when I
Speaker 2: was a kid. Through one. I remember Philip Humber Phlip Humber.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's again, yahact like I don't. Yeah, you probably
Speaker 2: should have given him the eighth right, it's ninety two pitches.
Speaker 2: It's not but again, it's just.
Speaker 1: It's cool.
Speaker 3: That's the last one to do it.
Speaker 2: That makes sense. I did not remember that, But.
Speaker 1: Well, I think we intentionally forgot that. That was twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three. Yeah, and before that it was Felix.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, before that twenty twelve, had it had three?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was weird.
Speaker 1: Humber, Matt Kine and Felix in twenty twelve. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: there's twenty four I know in all of history. Plus
Speaker 1: I would say, which is the easiest one to remember?
Speaker 1: I just I do twenty four in the entire history
Speaker 1: of baseball? Yeah to me, Like, you let a guy
Speaker 1: go because look, if he goes to one hundred and ten,
Speaker 1: he's unless they just foul foulfoul, which I understand is
Speaker 1: what they had done. But like he's either gonna lose
Speaker 1: it via a walk or a hit or or you know,
Speaker 1: or whatever and then or an error and then whatever
Speaker 1: and then you pull him. But like there's twenty four
Speaker 1: ever in baseball's insanely long history of one hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty sixty two games a year, there's so many games,
Speaker 1: like you're gonna be I understand that it's Domingo Harmon
Speaker 1: and Philip Umber and like it's it's not the most
Speaker 1: glorious m hm list of names necessarily, but like it
Speaker 1: is an achievement that it's such a small percentage, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: get to do it. I don't know how to. I
Speaker 1: couldn't take that away from someone a no hitter short, fine,
Speaker 1: I don't care about no hitters. That perfect game is
Speaker 1: a different story.
Speaker 3: Patrick, Yeah, I mean yeah, ninety two boy two pitches. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's a bummer. I I want more than anything. Like,
Speaker 3: you can never criticize the individual decisions in these situations.
Speaker 3: You can only criticize the wide long view that has
Speaker 3: gotten us to this point, and I don't even know.
Speaker 1: What I'm criticizing. Don Mattingly, Okay, it's done that manage
Speaker 1: the market knew he was a manager. Again. The Marlins
Speaker 1: don't even have a marriage bench coach.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I just wish baseball it's something I miss.
Speaker 3: I like pitchers pitching tired, and I understand why they don't.
Speaker 3: And I understand why they don't even without the rules.
Speaker 1: But I also to be clear that I am forticizing
Speaker 1: to Mattie.
Speaker 3: Okay, just whatever, whatever's going on, whatever the hell.
Speaker 1: Is going on, I don't like it. I agree with you,
Speaker 1: I'm not patter, but I am also criticizing Cleeton McCall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he learned from the best. Dave Roberts has
Speaker 1: removed Rich Hill in Miami from a perfect game after
Speaker 1: seven eights, I think, so, you know, he's he had
Speaker 1: an example set for him. Speaking of the Dodgers, we've
Speaker 1: got good news for teams that he don't need. Good news.
Speaker 1: Evan Phillips is back after a lengthy stay on the IL.
Speaker 1: The relief corps has been it's been up and down,
Speaker 1: but mostly pretty good. Tanner Scott is good again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't really want to admit it, but
Speaker 1: he's been very good.
Speaker 3: It's very funny that when Tanner Scott is bad, you
Speaker 3: hear about him constantly. When he's good, you like, the
Speaker 3: only way you know Tanner Scott's been good because you haven't.
Speaker 1: We also heard about Tanner Scott when he came up
Speaker 1: with the brimless hat.
Speaker 3: To be.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Dodger's closers, Edwin Diaz is facing live batters.
Speaker 2: He also did give a quote that like he did
Speaker 2: about the cock fighting ring, where he did not it's
Speaker 2: in the past and he did not do anything illegal
Speaker 2: and has not heard from Major League Baseball again.
Speaker 1: It was within specifications. Nothing has changed, but we've resolved
Speaker 1: the issue. Those live batters included Enrique Hernandez, who was
Speaker 1: recovering from a strained oblique. He had an oblique issue
Speaker 1: that he had just come back from. He had tweaked
Speaker 1: the I still I can't get over this. I just
Speaker 1: remember this. He he had tweaked the oblique that he
Speaker 1: had just come off the eel from he had I
Speaker 1: think he played like three four games total in that
Speaker 1: like in BP Yeah, and then said I'm going to
Speaker 1: keep playing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: After tweaking a thing you just got off the iel
Speaker 1: front and then hit like a home run in a
Speaker 1: double and I'm the double. He really hurt himself.
Speaker 2: Well, take some more live VP and see if he
Speaker 2: can tweak it again and get another.
Speaker 1: Exactly, and then just play through it. Just play through it.
Speaker 1: It works for everybody. Yeah, that takes us to our game.
Speaker 3: Okay, so we're gonna play a new one this time.
Speaker 3: It's not really that going to be that different, but
Speaker 3: we haven't done this format. It's name that too. So
Speaker 3: what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna give you both
Speaker 3: a category and then you have to take turns stating
Speaker 3: how many players or names you can fulfill for that
Speaker 3: category without getting any wrong. And we'll keep going until
Speaker 3: somebody is a coward and the other person will either
Speaker 3: either the coward will win because the other person screws up,
Speaker 3: or they will get points for it. All right, so
Speaker 3: we're gonna start. Jeff will make the first bet here
Speaker 3: we are one to see how many of the twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five Colorado Rocky pitchers you can anybody's through at
Speaker 3: least faced one bat one batter.
Speaker 2: Okay, does that include players? Not that I'm going to
Speaker 2: try to guess.
Speaker 3: But let me let me pull up the list and
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, no, yeah, we're not doing we're not
Speaker 3: doing players. So let me let me take on. Let
Speaker 3: me trim it down and then tell you how what
Speaker 3: your target is. Uh, all right, I've trimmed out four
Speaker 3: position players. I think those are the only four you
Speaker 3: have twenty nine, you know, twenty seven potential pitchers for
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty five Colorado Rockets.
Speaker 2: I will start conservatively and say eight.
Speaker 3: Okay, oh oh, it's bad, Craig, do you want to
Speaker 3: bid nine?
Speaker 1: I forgot about this game.
Speaker 3: This is a game that I like hosting and hate playing.
Speaker 3: Do not make this game? I want to say.
Speaker 1: Do I want to say nine?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: I honestly like again, my mind just vacates, do I? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I'll say nine? Sure?
Speaker 3: Okay, Jeff, you want to go ten?
Speaker 2: Yeah you can do ten.
Speaker 1: I don't like to you, Jeff, I don't like you.
Speaker 3: Uh sure, let's go eleven, okay, Jeff? Eight? Twelve?
Speaker 2: Mm hmm? How many Rockies relievers can I name? It
Speaker 2: is the eternal question.
Speaker 3: How many of last years?
Speaker 1: Which screen is like? As as we were doing the
Speaker 1: bidding process, I I was like remembering additional Rockies relievers,
Speaker 1: and then I was like, I was like, oh, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I can do this, And I know as soon as
Speaker 1: I start, I'll get four pictures total and I'll be like,
Speaker 1: I got nothing.
Speaker 2: I am more confident. Craig can't do eleven than I
Speaker 2: can do twelve.
Speaker 1: Wow, I was not going to thirteen. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I didn't think you were so all right.
Speaker 3: So Greig name eleven twenty twenty five Colorado Rockies Pictures.
Speaker 1: Antonio sends Itela love that you go there first. Ye,
Speaker 1: well you have to you do Kyle Freeland two, Uh,
Speaker 1: Ryan Feldner three, Seth Halverson four, Jimmy herget.
Speaker 3: The best one of them all. Five, Zach Agnos six.
Speaker 1: Thank you? I believe on how shivvy e?
Speaker 3: Uh? There is seven?
Speaker 1: There should there should be more starters in this mix.
Speaker 1: I named I named you say that, but uh that's
Speaker 1: now I'm remembering twenty twenty six Rockies. So how many
Speaker 1: of it? I got six? So I got past four seven,
Speaker 1: So far I'm a seven. There there were additional who
Speaker 1: Why can't I remember Lambert was? Lambert up? I'm already reaching.
Speaker 3: No, Lambert was. It's the point that's fine.
Speaker 1: I like the problem is, I know, I like, I know,
Speaker 1: I know so many.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna name them Mafia get man. Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 3: Carmon Marquess.
Speaker 1: Okay, I thought about Marquees, but I couldn't remem Rember
Speaker 1: if he was injured. All year stars should have just
Speaker 1: said it.
Speaker 3: Chase Dollander, Tanner, Gordon's, Bradley Blaylock, are your forgettable starters
Speaker 3: as far as uh, Victor Vodnick the.
Speaker 1: God next, that's it came and went, and that.
Speaker 3: Brave Star middle reliever Tyler Kelly Kenley. I got Jake Bird,
Speaker 3: you got Austin gomber So Bird.
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure if I traded the deadline.
Speaker 1: I knew he was traded, but I didn't remember which,
Speaker 1: if it was that deadline or.
Speaker 3: The one before. Uh, you wanted to dig deep Rocky's relievers.
Speaker 3: If you wanted to dig deep, there's Nick Anderson and
Speaker 3: Ramsey Contreres. Oh yeah, so second one, Uh, this one,
Speaker 3: Craig gets to go first. It is. There have been
Speaker 3: thirty nine first overall draft picks since nineteen eighty seven,
Speaker 3: which is when modern baseball began. How many first overall
Speaker 3: picks do you think you could.
Speaker 1: Mean I'm gonna decimated. I'm going to get.
Speaker 2: You act like I pay attention to the draft, but
Speaker 2: you know, you knows, you know first overall picks.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm gonna say like seven.
Speaker 2: Seven, eight.
Speaker 1: Nine.
Speaker 2: It would be more funny to make Craig do it, but.
Speaker 3: I know would Craig's got to decide what the point
Speaker 3: of how much is it worth not to have the
Speaker 3: name names?
Speaker 1: Ten, ten, eleven.
Speaker 2: This is almost funny enough to make Craig do it? Now,
Speaker 2: I gotta I do actually have to think now for
Speaker 2: a second. I should be able to do.
Speaker 1: And I can, like look at standings, just look at teams, right,
Speaker 1: it helps my Sure, twelve twelve, I think you can
Speaker 1: do twelve?
Speaker 3: Like, do you think you can do the thirteen? Because
Speaker 3: you can at least hope he screws up.
Speaker 5: No, he's not, He's not gonna screw Yeah, I think
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Sure, Just go do twelve and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna lose all.
Speaker 2: All right, fine, Casey mies yep, Spencer tarkleson.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, wait a minute, you're gonna go. You start
Speaker 1: at Antonio sends a tella for me and you used
Speaker 1: to start with Casey.
Speaker 3: Spencer Tarkleson.
Speaker 2: That's two, Jackson Holliday, Where did you think I was
Speaker 2: gonna start?
Speaker 1: Where did I think you were gonna start? Yeah? We
Speaker 1: literally named one earlier on the.
Speaker 2: Show, Adley Richman, Hi, Rushmand, that's four? Sure we did.
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily don't think I remember anything from like
Speaker 2: the beginning of the show. Craig okay, the two Tigers
Speaker 2: and two Oriels. So Paul Skeens, yep? Can I say
Speaker 2: Markopell twice?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And he wasn't he wasn't a first round first twice
Speaker 3: or first overall twice?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Brady Aiken? Okay, what's that? Seven?
Speaker 3: That is seven?
Speaker 2: I need five more? Okay, Carlos Korea see in nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty seven? Pardon? Do I want to go back? As
Speaker 2: the problem like trying to remember who was like Chipper
Speaker 2: Jones was first overall?
Speaker 3: Wasn't he was?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the famous older one I remember, Uh
Speaker 2: Todd Van Poppold Van was not well. I got I
Speaker 2: got too clever there apparently.
Speaker 3: Yeah you should.
Speaker 1: I thought Harper and Strasburg.
Speaker 2: Getting there, But I was like trying to get to
Speaker 2: where those will be my last two.
Speaker 3: Harper and Strasburg was Bazana was the one. Craig was
Speaker 3: mentioning Eli Willits is of course this last year, and
Speaker 3: Henry Davis, Royce Lewis, Mickey Moniac, Dansby Swanson. Then your
Speaker 3: big names before that, Garrett Cole, David Price, Justin Upton,
Speaker 3: Joe Mauer, Adrian Gonzalez. I always forget he was the
Speaker 3: first overall pick. Yeah, txas Josh Hamilton, pat the bat.
Speaker 3: Then some real choices, uh and Arod Brian Taylor is on.
Speaker 2: Brian Taylor instead of Todd Van Popple. I was sure
Speaker 2: about Brian Taylor. Then I was about Todd Van Pople.
Speaker 3: Big Ben McDonald, Andy Bellis and Kengar Vi Jr.
Speaker 1: But Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh Wash.
Speaker 3: Was the athletics, and I think he went like, didn't
Speaker 3: the pirates have who's.
Speaker 2: The there is bullying?
Speaker 3: Second? One thing second Van Papa was fourteenth overall. I
Speaker 3: think has signability issues.
Speaker 2: That might be why. I don't know.
Speaker 3: It was a high school pitcher and had committed.
Speaker 2: Yeah someone I got too clever there instead of just
Speaker 2: playing out the two thousand times one.
Speaker 3: All right, So category three, Jeff will go first on
Speaker 3: this Wellington was Bullington wasn't one pick?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It was okay, yep, two.
Speaker 3: Thousand and two negative.
Speaker 1: I want to be clear. I would not have thought
Speaker 1: of him, all right.
Speaker 3: Next one, there are seventy six current umpires in baseball.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, god absolutely, are you kidding me?
Speaker 3: The number Candy one? If you want it to be
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter, or does it?
Speaker 1: Does it include the ones who are reportedly accepting a buyout.
Speaker 2: They're still they're still empires.
Speaker 3: I was trying trying to determine yes, because that's like
Speaker 3: all the ones you can make.
Speaker 2: I'm saying four, right, Craig, can you do five umpires?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna say five.
Speaker 2: I don't even want to do six. I probably could
Speaker 2: if I thought about it. I'll do six, fine, okay, six, great,
Speaker 2: I love this game. Let me do it and we'll
Speaker 2: move on. C. B. Buckner, last, Dias Seer Wendel stat three,
Speaker 2: Carlos Torres.
Speaker 3: Yes, four.
Speaker 2: I just remember because he's the same name as the
Speaker 2: Matt's picture. Jim Joyce still an umpire.
Speaker 3: No he's not.
Speaker 2: I don't She's not officially a full time umpires.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what Okay, okay, it was full time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so ron Kopa. Let's see. As far as famous ones,
Speaker 3: the Tony Rendazo, I feel like.
Speaker 1: He was the expert on hand. Yes, oh yeah, you
Speaker 1: didn't remember who that was Italian last name, but he
Speaker 1: might have retired.
Speaker 3: So yeah, ron Kolpa is one. I always recognized Lance Barksdale.
Speaker 2: Oh, actould have gotten Lance Barksdale.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there are some of the really good young ones,
Speaker 1: but I don't follow there anymore, so I don't remember
Speaker 1: their names.
Speaker 3: Dan Bellino, I feel like I've heard sometimes and that
Speaker 3: might be it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as first, Yeah, I know the thing is like
Speaker 1: the good good young ones are pretty anonymous.
Speaker 3: Second forth in a good way. Yep, all right, Craig's
Speaker 3: up two point to one. We will probably just do
Speaker 3: two more of these. We want to do seven. Next
Speaker 3: one is the one that Craig was supposed to have
Speaker 3: the advantage on contributors to the twenty fifteen VP Annual.
Speaker 3: Twenty fifteen. Yeah, I'm going to get an advantage on that. Well, sure,
Speaker 3: you know, listen to these people.
Speaker 1: More than Jeff Dogs.
Speaker 2: I wasn't on the twenty fifteen annual. I got hired
Speaker 2: in September twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: But the you have it.
Speaker 3: There are twenty four credited.
Speaker 2: People sixteen on when there are twenty four.
Speaker 3: Credited people in the twenty fifteen BPO. This is the
Speaker 3: slim green.
Speaker 1: There are some there are some big big names here
Speaker 1: that you didn't mention on that on the oh for
Speaker 1: the for the Empires Dings, Oh suregatds and Mike Estabrook.
Speaker 1: Come on, all right, Craig, he Helenia, No, Nora, I'm
Speaker 1: remembering some guys.
Speaker 3: Okay, Craig, how many?
Speaker 1: How many people?
Speaker 3: How many contributors? How many credited contributors to the twenty
Speaker 3: fifteen annual?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: Can you can?
Speaker 1: I look at it?
Speaker 2: You people?
Speaker 3: Look at me?
Speaker 1: Have it over there?
Speaker 3: You can look at this? Fine?
Speaker 1: Uh? How many Jesus?
Speaker 3: This is the This is the annual that I feel
Speaker 3: is the best one.
Speaker 1: And is also the papers shitty, right, No, it was.
Speaker 3: The font was smaller and so it got the worst reviews.
Speaker 1: But I think it's thin. I think the pages are
Speaker 1: thin too. I'm gonna I'm a huge coward.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say like five, five, I think I can
Speaker 2: do six.
Speaker 1: I'll go seven.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say if Craig started with seven, I
Speaker 2: was gonna make him do it. So I will make
Speaker 2: Craig do seven.
Speaker 3: Alright, seven names?
Speaker 1: Do the editors count? No? Yes or no?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say yes. I'm gonna say a chance an
Speaker 3: editor myself. I've written lots of stuff for the book.
Speaker 1: I the problem with that. I want to offer Jeff
Speaker 1: the ability to adjust if you want to.
Speaker 3: So, Jeff, do you want to add to your number?
Speaker 3: Now that I'm saying the editors caun't.
Speaker 2: I don't actually remember who the editors are, but Craig
Speaker 2: probably does. So I have to go eight. I think.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I do. I'll make you do it.
Speaker 1: I think you can do it like you can.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: No, it was a real offer. He doesn't have to
Speaker 1: but me do it. He wrote changes the game. If
Speaker 1: you say, here's two people, I think he'll know. Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, no, just very hard. I'm complimenting you, Craig.
Speaker 1: That was slow. I thought you were well. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to be duplicitous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Jeff named eight contributors.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if I can do nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sam Miller, okay, that's one. Russell Carlton I think
Speaker 2: he was still there while I was.
Speaker 1: You just have to know whether he was up with
Speaker 1: a team or not.
Speaker 2: I think he was on the fifteen because he was
Speaker 2: there when I was hired.
Speaker 3: He is not credited.
Speaker 6: Christ Okay, can I well, okay, we we got a
Speaker 6: probably there's an error in this.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so all right, this is this is an issue
Speaker 7: we The front page of the book was not No,
Speaker 7: it is.
Speaker 3: It doesn't list all the authors.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's only like comment writers. I don't know.
Speaker 7: I because they're like, my name's on the front of
Speaker 7: the book. I wrote one essay and wrote one team
Speaker 7: comment for this book. The first, the the the uh.
Speaker 7: Tim Marschman wrote an essay.
Speaker 1: I don't even I don't even have the twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: I have the Futures Guide.
Speaker 7: I don't go get a copy. Tim Marchman's got an
Speaker 7: essay in here and is not on the cover. I
Speaker 7: think they only put actual DP employees on the on
Speaker 7: the title page, and I don't have a way of
Speaker 7: going through.
Speaker 3: Every single essay to see who actually is. So we're
Speaker 3: gonna writ after all this fourteen, after all of that,
Speaker 3: we're not going to do this categor I'm gonna skip it.
Speaker 3: So sorry, you guys, get to pass, because I'm not
Speaker 3: going to bother looking through the book to think.
Speaker 1: So that was Samon Woj.
Speaker 3: That was Samon Woj.
Speaker 1: I absolutely would have said David Roth. Just assume he's
Speaker 1: been doing it. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so sorry, all right, we're gonna go. This means
Speaker 3: that Craig, you get to bid again. This time it
Speaker 3: is going to be for net positive framers current twenty six.
Speaker 3: There are twenty nineteen nineteen catchers that are above average
Speaker 3: at framing. I have above average framing runs this year.
Speaker 1: There's no minimum, there's no minimum.
Speaker 3: Just have to have more than Actually it might be
Speaker 3: a minimum. I'm gonna say it's five thousand plus pitches.
Speaker 3: So they have to be a start off.
Speaker 2: They have to well that'd be a starter, but you
Speaker 2: probably have to.
Speaker 3: We have to at least half time basic it plus pitches.
Speaker 3: So it's whatever the it's whatever the default filtering was.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the filter is. I don't know
Speaker 1: like what that means for some very obviously good ramers
Speaker 1: who are like half time. I don't know if half
Speaker 1: is five thousand or not. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Three hundred plus innings. It's the filter. So it's literally yeah,
Speaker 3: so it's literally if they half half the games.
Speaker 1: All Right, I'm gonna say you said there's twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, like again, I'm gonna make a coward.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2: Six, I can do seven.
Speaker 1: Let's say.
Speaker 2: Do eight.
Speaker 1: Craig, Yeah right, I had I feel that was a bad,
Speaker 1: poor strategy. All right, you know what, let's Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: Let's let's just say I'm gonna I'm gonna start off
Speaker 1: with a weird one. Why not mh Brandan Valens whale.
Speaker 3: Well, he's second overall, it's not that weird, so that's.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not that, but he's not like who you
Speaker 1: He's not like a notable catcher, so like Dylan Dingler.
Speaker 3: Number one. So that's two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that I felt. I felt good about Dylan.
Speaker 1: M hm hmm. I'm gonna i I honestly, you have
Speaker 1: not checked in on this. I don't know how he's doing.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say cal.
Speaker 3: Raleigh, yes, three, Okay, that's three.
Speaker 1: That is three. How about mm hmm, that's dicey mm hmm.
Speaker 1: How about William Contrares?
Speaker 2: Uh no, shit, no, you didn't do Patrick Bailey.
Speaker 1: Bailey worried about time.
Speaker 3: Bailey is nineteenth. Actually even though he's he's plenty over
Speaker 3: the threshold, but he is a point. He is at
Speaker 3: point two framing runs get.
Speaker 1: To Patrick Bailey. But like, I was worried about play
Speaker 1: in time. I was trying to go on on starter.
Speaker 3: Number three is Louise Torrance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: Gonna, I was gonna say Louis Torrence. I really was.
Speaker 3: Number four, weirdly is Victor Carrottini three point four.
Speaker 1: We love Victor.
Speaker 3: Austin Wells, Adley Richman Francisco operas Hunter Fiduccia.
Speaker 1: So again, Adley was I was worried about playtime. He's
Speaker 1: been hurt twice. I think this season already, So like.
Speaker 2: I wasn't that long.
Speaker 3: But yeah, all right, all right, last one, bad performance.
Speaker 2: Just don't be the person who got yeah family.
Speaker 3: Last one. There have been eighteen position players for the
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six Miami Marlins. Jeff, how many of them?
Speaker 3: Can you?
Speaker 1: Nick?
Speaker 3: This includes people who are not on the active roster.
Speaker 3: But we've played for the Marlins this year nineteen nineteen Marlins.
Speaker 2: Craig very confident.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think so nine ten.
Speaker 2: Craig's and I gotta think, can I actually ten he
Speaker 2: just said, all right, I'll do eleven, all.
Speaker 1: Right, name eleven? All right, all right, it's not I
Speaker 1: think I could maybe do a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like I was thinking I had to start
Speaker 2: counting like in my head, and I got close enough
Speaker 2: that I think I can get there if I think, all.
Speaker 1: Right, it wouldn't shock me if you can do it.
Speaker 2: Liam Hicks one, Augustin Ramirez two, Joe Mack three, Uh,
Speaker 2: Jacob Marcy.
Speaker 3: Or yeah, I know, I'm trying to find where he is,
Speaker 3: okay four.
Speaker 2: Otto Lopez five, Xavier Edwards six, Javier Sonoha seven, Kyle
Speaker 2: Stowers eight.
Speaker 1: I like that you skipped first base because I.
Speaker 2: Also, yeah, I know they have a first baseman. But
Speaker 2: all right, now it gets like the problem is like
Speaker 2: one of them that I had in my head. Oh uh,
Speaker 2: Connor Norby nine, I need what two more?
Speaker 3: Two more?
Speaker 2: It's all tricky. Did I say? I didn't say?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: When Casey that's ten, that's.
Speaker 3: Ten, one more for the with it's the This is.
Speaker 2: So annoying because it's the other guy they traded with, Marseille,
Speaker 2: and I cannot like his name, just like has completely
Speaker 2: escaped me.
Speaker 1: Well, they.
Speaker 3: Don't hint, no, it's not.
Speaker 2: It's maybe it wasn't with Marcia, it wasn't the same.
Speaker 2: Still missing an outfielder too, Oh no, because I got
Speaker 2: stars in the two. Yeah, I mean I've seen a
Speaker 2: lot of Marlin's games. They played the Mets affair bed
Speaker 2: I like not and the catchers. What's the other guy?
Speaker 2: It's not Marci, it's the it's the third basement. That's
Speaker 2: not really a third baseman. Oh yeah, and his name like.
Speaker 1: That is one of the as I'm thinking of. I
Speaker 1: forgot he was part of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was, And like I just like, for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: his name is just I'll just I'll just tap out
Speaker 2: because I gotta go.
Speaker 1: He went to Does that help you?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Graham?
Speaker 2: Right, Graham, I think the most, Like it's very duke name.
Speaker 3: I suppose boy Hernandez uh congratulations, Craig on your on.
Speaker 1: Pally in the least.
Speaker 3: Uh Leo him and his estuary Ruiz.
Speaker 2: Brian never read he No, I mean yes, but.
Speaker 3: Now Davison del Santos and I forgot he was there.
Speaker 8: Austin Slater, who was their first basement Christopher Morrell, Yeah,
Speaker 8: dollar contract, Yeah, okay, all right, sure?
Speaker 1: Why not? Well a rousing a rousing victory. I'll take it.
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