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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to episode five sixty of five and Dive. It

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<v Speaker 1>is Monday, July sixth. I'm your host, Craig Goldstein, joined

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<v Speaker 1>as usual by Patrick Dubuk and Jeffrey Petternostro. We had

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<v Speaker 1>a three day holiday weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>How was yours been at watching soccer? Again? Sure, I

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<v Speaker 2>do want to say, I know this is a baseball podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>but there.

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<v Speaker 1>Is Patrick's gonna log off, right.

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<v Speaker 2>There is something beautiful about the sport outside of the

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<v Speaker 2>other stuff was going on today where you can have

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<v Speaker 2>a game like Cabo Verde against Argentina, which is like

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<v Speaker 2>probably one of the five best World Cup games I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever seen, you know, like I'd have to like wrack

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<v Speaker 2>my brain for like euro other major games that were better.

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<v Speaker 2>But given the stakes and the performance and the relative

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<v Speaker 2>disparity and the quality of the goals in a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of cases.

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<v Speaker 1>That second Cabo Verde goal was one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>ridiculous things I've ever read.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was one of those games where you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there weren't any like really close off side and we

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<v Speaker 2>weren't seeing going to the ball censor to see if

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<v Speaker 2>it touched someone's hair. There wasn't any you know, Dodgy pens.

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<v Speaker 2>There's just two teams leaving all out on the field, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the next day you can have France Paraguay.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the same sport.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you were going to say, because I saw

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<v Speaker 1>you say it was maybe like top five, And you

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<v Speaker 1>don't need to litigate that, Like I think it's fine

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<v Speaker 1>to say you can have like eight or ten top

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<v Speaker 1>five things. It's fine. We were just talking about a

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<v Speaker 1>genre kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a yeah, there's a class, there's a classic. Like

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<v Speaker 2>the quote I think it's a Tiger Woods quote when

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<v Speaker 2>I asked you it was the best golfer of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, all you can ask for is to be

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<v Speaker 2>in the conversation, and like, this is in the conversation, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I thought you were going to say, and then

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<v Speaker 1>get England Mexico.

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<v Speaker 2>Well no, no, that was also it was a different

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<v Speaker 2>kind of great game. But like France Paraguay is just

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<v Speaker 2>the opposite of that in all regards. Right, it's just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna make this the most unpleasant and there's a

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<v Speaker 2>beauty in that sort of and it's like the same

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<v Speaker 2>round is the same stakes. It's the same gap between

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<v Speaker 2>the teams, right and we're gonna you know, we are

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<v Speaker 2>going to make this and they did it against Germany

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<v Speaker 2>too to win, right, We're gonna make this as difficult

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<v Speaker 2>as possible for you. Yeah, No, England Mexico is just

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<v Speaker 2>pure chaos, which was also great. Ref had no control

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<v Speaker 2>over that game from from the kickoff. Basically there were

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<v Speaker 2>several at least one dodgy pen which one was dodgy

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<v Speaker 2>to you the one they gave MX. That's not a foul.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a fifty to fifty ball, like kicking underneath.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it doesn't kick.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't kick him, but he doesn't really like in

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<v Speaker 2>that's like not that's not a foul. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>understand why I was given it did make it more fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just thinking about thinking about everyone and when they

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't I had not thought about it at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>But then they cut over after the game to all

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<v Speaker 1>the people in England celebrating and it was four in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning. Yeah, having to go through that game, yeah

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<v Speaker 1>as an England fan from two to four in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, because they pushed it back an hour or two

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<v Speaker 2>because of though the weather. Yeah, phenomenal, phenomenal game. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and we also got like like dan Byrne just like

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely caked and sweat and he was on for like

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was curely.

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan Henderson breaking his arm in the celebration during Wonderwall

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<v Speaker 2>havy to be stretchered off. Yes, he broke his arm

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<v Speaker 2>during the celebration.

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<v Speaker 1>What I missed that entirely?

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<v Speaker 2>How I don't know there's video of it. I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>looked at it, but like Harry Kane's like, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>think he's okay. While he's doing like games. He couldn't talk, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>he couldn't talk yet. I don't know how much he

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<v Speaker 2>had been yelling on the pitch, probably a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably a lot. I'm sure it was hard to get.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the environment was I honestly wish I could

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<v Speaker 1>have heard more of the crowd.

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<v Speaker 2>But obviously I have a lot of expat friends. Being

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<v Speaker 2>a Wednesday person, I knew several people that were at

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<v Speaker 2>the game. But I was saying to them like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if England is a good team per se,

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<v Speaker 2>Like they're not the best team in the tournament, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they're like a good team, but

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<v Speaker 2>like those are the kind of games you have to win.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to win the World Cup, basically you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get at least one of those where it's

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<v Speaker 2>just an absolute dog fight. Dog fight.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I also want a lot of soccer, to

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<v Speaker 1>the point that by the time Sunday Night Baseball rolled around,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, what what is it that people are

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<v Speaker 1>talking about everything being paywalled? I did not try and

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<v Speaker 1>watch baseball on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything was all on Peacock.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah apparently, But I was also confused because I went

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<v Speaker 1>to go see the Sunday Night Baseball game thinking that

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<v Speaker 1>was only on Peacock, but it was on NBC.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, Braves was also on NBC, So I

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<v Speaker 2>I got to watch that, which was something I really

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<v Speaker 2>needed in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Was so I was like, why are people mad? But honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>people are mad for affair. Why was everything on Peacock?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean why, uh not that I should value and everything,

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<v Speaker 1>but like, what are we doing?

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<v Speaker 2>They also did all the thrown together Peacock boots too,

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<v Speaker 2>So the metro like Todd zal on, Tripper Jones, like

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<v Speaker 2>Tippery Lake doesn't like Todd zeal is like they're filling

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<v Speaker 2>play by play guy, but like Tipper Downes doesn't show

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<v Speaker 2>up showing up. Yeah, yeah, Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>My only contribution here is that, uh I think I

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned we're gonna slushy machine as a family, and it

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<v Speaker 1>arrived on Thursday and we've made six different batches of slush.

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<v Speaker 2>You're, by the way, you are not allowed to tell

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<v Speaker 2>my kid about this, about the existence of this, but

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that you can get one for home use

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<v Speaker 2>not allowed.

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<v Speaker 1>What's interesting to me that I did not know was

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<v Speaker 1>like all all for this one anyway, all you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>is pouring and juice. It's just it's literally just juice.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's not added sugar. It's not there has to

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<v Speaker 1>be a minimum amount of sugar, I guess for it

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<v Speaker 1>to reach slushy status in terms of percentage, but like

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<v Speaker 1>it's just pouring in a regular juice.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still you're still not allowed to tell.

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<v Speaker 1>You no, I understand. I'm I'm revealing my ignorance.

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<v Speaker 3>Here as the machine afterwards, right, Like it's really easy, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>we have one of those like thirty dollars snow cone

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<v Speaker 3>makers that is not worth the effort the clean I

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<v Speaker 3>could see that, and so like it's also not worth

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<v Speaker 3>the effort to wait for them to do it so

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<v Speaker 3>the kids, like, it's become an option for my children,

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<v Speaker 3>not one worth pursuing.

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<v Speaker 1>It does it does take a bit. It takes like

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<v Speaker 1>thirty forty five minutes potentially, But but like to clean it,

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<v Speaker 1>you just put in warm water with soap and then

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<v Speaker 1>like you can take it apart and let it air

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<v Speaker 1>dry or whatever. But you don't even like if you're

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<v Speaker 1>just going to make another batch. You don't have to anyway, Patrick,

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<v Speaker 1>how was your weekend?

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<v Speaker 3>Not so much? No, not my kids. I don't really

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<v Speaker 3>know how this decision was made. I was not involved

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<v Speaker 3>in the decision. I imagine that a plurality was reached

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<v Speaker 3>without my while I understained. But my children decided to

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<v Speaker 3>switch bedrooms.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you mentioned this and you never answered my question,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm going to repeat it. You live in a

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<v Speaker 1>blue episode?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not allowed, Like that's just as a parent you

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<v Speaker 2>can just say no.

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<v Speaker 1>They they did a bluey episode about this, and my

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<v Speaker 1>reaction at the time was what are they doing? Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess they shared a room to split, but the shared.

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<v Speaker 3>Room to split. Uh. In this case, there were logistical

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<v Speaker 3>factors involved. Basically, my son, my younger son, really struggles

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<v Speaker 3>to sleep and it's a real drain on our lifestyle

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<v Speaker 3>that my son is constantly waking up and I have

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<v Speaker 3>to constantly put him back to bed, like multiple times

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<v Speaker 3>a night, and then find him in my bed kicking

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<v Speaker 3>me in the back every time I wake up. So

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<v Speaker 3>we're trying anything at this point, and we're hoping that

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<v Speaker 3>you know, changes the scenery. You know, always always improve

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<v Speaker 3>your life. Just to change nothing about yourself except your

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<v Speaker 3>surroundings is always ineffective.

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<v Speaker 1>That only true for baseball players and.

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<v Speaker 3>Growth and personal growth. So we're just gonna, I guess

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<v Speaker 3>we're just what. Look, you guys are attacking me like

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<v Speaker 3>I'm the one who made this choice when I know,

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<v Speaker 3>really really clearly established I'm I'm I'm attacking being more

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<v Speaker 3>clear about how little input I had on this process.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not attacking you. I'm attacking your life, Okay, your circumstances.

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<v Speaker 3>My life if isn't vulnerable, don't bother anyway. So, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>we did that, and the worst part, of course is

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<v Speaker 3>the art. So we had to we had to re

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<v Speaker 3>hang all the artcause they wanted to move all the

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<v Speaker 3>art over and they had to move the bookcases and stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>so they had to move into do.

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<v Speaker 2>You actually hang your art or do you just use

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<v Speaker 2>like the actually.

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<v Speaker 3>I actually most of my because most of it's actually

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<v Speaker 3>the canvases and stuff. So if this doesn't take oh

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<v Speaker 3>it's taking moving, they're not moving back.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, it would have been my reaction to begin with.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, yeah, no, I mean like it's yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 3>this is this is it for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>They're good, That's what I wanted to hear. But I

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<v Speaker 1>had some trepidation. All Right, shall we get into the show? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, our first segment deadline.

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<v Speaker 2>Dreaming speaking of changes of scenery, that would.

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<v Speaker 1>Have been a good transition. Maybe you should host the show. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>who is actually going to be available in this trade market?

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<v Speaker 1>I I'm on record as saying it's gonna be weird.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's gonna be a deeply weird trade market.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we've already seen like the last few deadlines.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say, at least the last two, there's

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<v Speaker 1>been a lot of like half buying, half selling stuff

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<v Speaker 1>or like maybe that's not even the right way to

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<v Speaker 1>put it. It's that there's not buyers and sellers, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just moving pieces to fit your individual circumstance as an organization.

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<v Speaker 3>Griffin Jackson, Griffin Jackson.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, exactly, And I think it's just gonna be a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of that. Again, we go back to the standings

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<v Speaker 1>and that everything's just kind of weird, but like it

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<v Speaker 1>really makes for a complicated it does deadline.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got Houston out here saying that they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be in the Terek Schogle market.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, I missed that. But like Baltimore is forty

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<v Speaker 1>two and forty nine, twelve games back in the division

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they're three and a half out of a wildcard.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure don't. I'm not saying they're wrong, but that's there.

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<v Speaker 1>They're buying. The White Sox are a game up in

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<v Speaker 1>the other being the Tigers. But like who's again, like

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<v Speaker 1>who is actually selling? What do they have to sell?

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<v Speaker 2>If you want relievers, they can offer you relievers.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, you know Freddie Peralta we've talked about, but like

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<v Speaker 1>Mario Delgado Henzori had a great piece on Baseball Perspectives

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<v Speaker 1>it's complicated is the.

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<v Speaker 2>Short they also only have to beat a fourth round

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<v Speaker 1>He's damn it, like he's part of the reason they're

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it's like, if you want to acquire him,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you you're not necessarily getting someone at the top

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<v Speaker 1>for when you're when you're acquiring at deadline prices. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I I don't know you can you can do this?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it's it's a lot of relievers. I think

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<v Speaker 3>is us Craig writing about this. There are gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>so many reliever round ups.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's also it's also I will say, it's also

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on saying we didn't like the prices for buying, right, but.

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<v Speaker 3>You can always like the price on the reliever, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's.

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<v Speaker 2>It's because yeah, but the reliever market especially, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like last deadline was pretty hefty, relatively speaking.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, Like, I don't know if they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>Pirates for forty six and forty five. Yeah, and have

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<v Speaker 1>one of the worst bullpens I've ever seen, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>the Phillies bullpen would just spontaneously implode like this is

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<v Speaker 1>this should be the best news of all time to

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<v Speaker 1>the Pirates. But I also don't know if they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to do it, yeah, right, right, Like it should be

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty slow I feel like maybe there'll be a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of traits, but it's gonna be relatively slow on impacts.

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<v Speaker 1>But like the one thing that they can address that

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<v Speaker 1>they really need to address should be there in spades.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I feel like the Cubs are in that same

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<v Speaker 3>spot where they could desperately use They also could use

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<v Speaker 3>a starter, yeah, several starters, but there are none of those,

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<v Speaker 3>but there are, and they could use some relievers because

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<v Speaker 3>all the relievers are now starters. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>The Giants said that. The Giants said they're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to make Logan Web available.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, I don't know if it's a guy who's.

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<v Speaker 2>Worth something, Yeah, the extensive guys who aren't worth anything

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<v Speaker 2>are definitely available.

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<v Speaker 1>He can have them if you want.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no one's going to take these.

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<v Speaker 2>There was kind of one of those like speculative but

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<v Speaker 2>possibly something their stories. I think in the athletic today,

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<v Speaker 2>the Mets might be making Francisco Alvarez available. Why because

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<v Speaker 2>they decided Louis Torrenz as their starting catcher for something. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like it either, Craig.

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<v Speaker 1>They can't possibly mean that well.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think they're gonna if they get like

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<v Speaker 2>a haul for Alvarez, they will consider doing it more

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<v Speaker 2>than anything else. But I think they're going to trade.

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<v Speaker 1>All the last time there was a mid season trade

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<v Speaker 1>of a catcher that was a.

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<v Speaker 3>All yeah, yeah, and your team that doesn't doesn't really

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<v Speaker 3>have another catcher, right, Like, you can at least see

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<v Speaker 3>it with those two the tandem catcher teams. Yeah, like,

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<v Speaker 3>which is why Danny Jansen gets getting traded every.

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<v Speaker 2>Single year he's a free agent. But like if Ryan

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<v Speaker 2>Jeffers still had two years left or something, right, like like.

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<v Speaker 1>The the thing about catcher deals, and this applies to

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<v Speaker 1>like Hunter Goodman, who I know Mario also wrote about

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<v Speaker 1>by the Way and his potential for being traded, like

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<v Speaker 1>it's always underwhelming relative to the quality of player, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a major in season switch for not just

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<v Speaker 1>the catcher but the whole pitching staff.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, Patrick Bailey seems to be working out fine,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I mean within the.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the same guy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just like.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it wouldn't surprise me that Patrick Bailey can

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<v Speaker 1>adjust to a pitching staff.

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<v Speaker 2>And continue to hit like Patrick Bailey in a new

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<v Speaker 2>new environment.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you say, it's working out. He's got a sixty

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<v Speaker 1>four ops plus.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, that's Patrick Bailey, Patrick Bailey.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's also legitimately it is work. It is dramatically

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<v Speaker 1>better than what he had done in San Francisco and

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<v Speaker 1>also worse than he's ever done over the course of

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<v Speaker 1>a full season before.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I mean, like, look, if you want like

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<v Speaker 2>iffect them at They're gonna trade Parolta, They're gonna trade

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<v Speaker 2>Raley probably trade aj Minder. I would not be surprised

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<v Speaker 2>if they trade Luke Weaver, who I think will bring

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<v Speaker 2>back the most of any of these guys because he

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<v Speaker 2>is an extra year of control.

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<v Speaker 1>You wrote about that, Yeah on Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>You know Cincinnati, they could they trade uh Melio not

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<v Speaker 2>Emelio Opac Meliopacan. Yeah, yeah, okay, he's he was bad

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<v Speaker 2>before the jury. He was. But like again, like a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of this stuff was like, you're not trading for

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<v Speaker 2>Freddy Parolta because you think per Alta is a four

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<v Speaker 2>r A pitcher going forward right, Like you think he's

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<v Speaker 2>had a bad half season. All of this you're trading for.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw Mets fans were freaking out because.

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<v Speaker 1>Also just signed a two year deal with them.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, Wasscar Brasabon gave up like five runs yesterday to

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<v Speaker 2>races R A to three and Mets fans are like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>they've ruined his trade value, And I'm like, no, Like

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<v Speaker 2>his trade value has not changed at all. He's still

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<v Speaker 2>Hostcar Brasabon, Like nobody was paying for the one point

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<v Speaker 2>seventy r A of Wasscar Brazabon.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, while I am uh, the last person I know

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<v Speaker 1>would do that was that didn't didn't Sandy Older since

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<v Speaker 1>say he.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, no, he's sorted by Kate per nine and wasscarra

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was the Yeah, No, it was kro nine.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. The the Reds have a lot of guys with surfaces,

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<v Speaker 3>like Caleb Ferguson has like a one point six two

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<v Speaker 3>e r A that you cannot believe would continue brock

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<v Speaker 3>Burke two point ninety eight, like if you want to

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<v Speaker 3>pay for past performance. The Rents have some.

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<v Speaker 2>Leaders way, I mean, the Angels have already said they're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to trade anyone that's any good, So that

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<v Speaker 2>takes one of the bad teams.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they wouldn't They said they wouldn't trade one of

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<v Speaker 3>their two starters. Who are the only people they could

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<v Speaker 3>trade there?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh? The Rockies. You know, maybe the Rockies trade more

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<v Speaker 2>under de Podessa than they have under previous regimes. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't really have an obvious expiring contract to trade now.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean they could trade Centstella, right, you're selling

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<v Speaker 2>high on Senstel. But I just don't think you know

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<v Speaker 2>a reliever, you know, even like a multi inning guy

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<v Speaker 2>striking out seven per nine. I know he's a sinker

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<v Speaker 2>Ball's just not going to bring back that much, right,

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<v Speaker 2>like and and he's it like Jimmy Hrdan, I guess.

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<v Speaker 3>Freeman is one of the worst players in baseball. Of

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<v Speaker 3>course he's one of the worst players in baseball because they.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep playing him in the right field. I mean, like,

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<v Speaker 1>what are the Royals are are so out of it?

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<v Speaker 1>They can trade guys, but like who are they going

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<v Speaker 1>to trade?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and the Royal Like the Royals are weird because

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<v Speaker 3>if they do it, If the Royals trade guys, that's

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<v Speaker 3>a big white flag, right, Like that's that's ending the era,

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<v Speaker 3>Whereas it feels like.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of what is the era?

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<v Speaker 3>Is the era? Yes it is, but but like it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Two seasons, right and then they're bad. But like the

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<v Speaker 1>I think the era is over with their performance this season,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Like you can. I wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I was supportive of them running it back last year

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<v Speaker 1>and it didn't go well. And then they ran it

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<v Speaker 1>back this year again and it didn't. It's it's gone worse.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, what what do you do?

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<v Speaker 2>The old pictures, their old pictures have been worse. All

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<v Speaker 2>their young pictures are hurt, right, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not going to augment I think that I think

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<v Speaker 1>that era is over, Like they're not going to augment it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they're even like Jack is here and pretty.

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<v Speaker 2>Good, pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Bobby Witt has climbed out out of the hole

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<v Speaker 1>he dug to start the season and it's been fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all they get. Yeah, offensive, the Carter Jensen has

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<v Speaker 1>been pretty.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Mike, Michael Garcia has gone back to being like

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<v Speaker 2>three seventy slug Michael Garcia, Right, and like everybody again,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the same story, right, Like you look at these OVPs, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Carter Jensen three h nine beating past Quentino three oh nine,

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<v Speaker 2>Isaac Collins is leading outside of Wit, is leading the

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<v Speaker 2>three forty four because he is Isaac Collins.

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<v Speaker 1>Seal Perez their designated hitter as a two. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, not playing him might be a first step towards

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<v Speaker 3>whatever they're doing, whichever.

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<v Speaker 1>They also can't they have nobody to backfill, right, they don't.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't have another.

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<v Speaker 3>No, they just they they don't have any backfields. They're

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<v Speaker 3>terrible at that film, right. That is the thing that's

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<v Speaker 3>that's what makes the Royals so frustrating is that they've

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<v Speaker 3>had half a team. They've had the parts for a team.

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<v Speaker 2>Like kag Leon was their most recent like high draft pick,

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<v Speaker 2>and he got to the majors pretty quickly and after

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<v Speaker 2>some initial struggles, looks like a good regular. But like

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<v Speaker 2>maybe there's one Yeah, maybe there's more of the tech there.

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<v Speaker 2>I think again, the approach is going to be somewhat

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<v Speaker 2>limiting generally speaking. But you look at their other recent

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like I'm doing the Ron Swanson like I

424
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<v Speaker 2>hear what you you think I'm saying. But he is.

425
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<v Speaker 2>He is giving you all the walk, strikeouts and home

426
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<v Speaker 2>runs that he has.

427
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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

428
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<v Speaker 2>He has three hundred and fifteen played appearances this year,

429
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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and ninety seven have ended in a walk,

430
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<v Speaker 2>strikeout or home run, Like he is just robbed here

431
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<v Speaker 2>at twenty one in quad Cities, which is not ideal.

432
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<v Speaker 2>You know, before that I liked uh Devin Cross out

433
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<v Speaker 2>of the draft. He just hasn't really worked out, yep.

434
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<v Speaker 2>I like Frank Mazacado not as the seventh overall pick

435
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<v Speaker 2>in the draft.

436
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<v Speaker 1>And I didn't remember not to the Royals and to.

437
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<v Speaker 2>The Royals and that has gone exactly as I would

438
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<v Speaker 2>have expected. And then the after as Lacey and like

439
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<v Speaker 2>Nick lofton, then you get back to Okay, they had

440
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<v Speaker 2>a good run, right, they had Singer, they had Wit,

441
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<v Speaker 2>you know, boo Bitch. I mean they had the draft

442
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<v Speaker 2>where they had a ton of fur round picks and Singer,

443
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<v Speaker 2>Kovar Lynch and Boo Bitch, which sort of on aggregate

444
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<v Speaker 2>have worked out fine. Yeah.

445
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<v Speaker 1>I think the Lace pick really hurt.

446
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and again it was it was it was tough

447
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<v Speaker 2>because one of the best college in the draft. Yeah.

448
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<v Speaker 2>And they just beyond that, they don't have the depth

449
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<v Speaker 2>of God like they don't like Nick often is like

450
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<v Speaker 2>a relatively good outcome for their high draft picks.

451
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<v Speaker 3>They can't develop a quality team around with and they

452
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<v Speaker 3>can't sign a quality team around Bobby.

453
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<v Speaker 1>Wait, I certainly won't.

454
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<v Speaker 3>And the thing is that, like, yes, you can't have

455
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<v Speaker 3>a good team if you can't do any of those things. Also,

456
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<v Speaker 3>you can't just accept that those are going to be

457
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<v Speaker 3>bad forever, because then why have a baseball team.

458
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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to many years of the Pittsburgh Pirates. Yeah, I

459
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<v Speaker 1>know again, and I'm happy for the Pirates fans that

460
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<v Speaker 1>they've been better this year.

461
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<v Speaker 3>But like, but the Pirates didn't pretend, and the Royals

462
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<v Speaker 3>did spend some time pretending, and it'd be weird for

463
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<v Speaker 3>them to just stop pretending now, like they seem to

464
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<v Speaker 3>believe in themselves. It feels like selling now would be

465
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<v Speaker 3>a turnaround on that, and maybe not necessarily an unjustified one,

466
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<v Speaker 3>but it would surprise them.

467
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<v Speaker 2>The Royals have not had a second round pick make

468
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<v Speaker 2>the Major since two thousand and night.

469
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<v Speaker 1>Really hard to do it. That's good, that's good, right,

470
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<v Speaker 1>especially when you miss on some of your first.

471
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<v Speaker 2>Rounders, right, And I'm looking at this list of names,

472
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<v Speaker 2>and you know, outside of the more recent picks, and

473
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<v Speaker 2>like what David Shield's doing this year, he's been fine,

474
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<v Speaker 2>but like most of these guys are probably not going

475
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<v Speaker 2>to make it either.

476
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I didn't need to get too bogged down on

477
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<v Speaker 1>in the Royals. But like.

478
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<v Speaker 2>I said, do you know the last second round pick

479
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<v Speaker 2>by the Royals to have more than two and a

480
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<v Speaker 2>half wins above replacement Bob Hammeler Carlos Beltron. Oh yeah,

481
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<v Speaker 2>that's nineteen ninety five for the record.

482
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean here's the other here's the other part

483
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<v Speaker 1>of this, Like the big ticket item for this deadline

484
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<v Speaker 1>is Scoobale right right. The Tigers are five how Yeah,

485
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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of teams in between.

486
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<v Speaker 3>I just wondered if the Bob Hamlin was a second

487
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<v Speaker 3>round pick he did not make it to two points.

488
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<v Speaker 3>Oh sorry, But like it's.

489
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<v Speaker 1>They're five out, and I understand there's there's I don't

490
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<v Speaker 1>know six seven teams in between them and that playoff spot.

491
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<v Speaker 1>But none of those teams are good either.

492
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<v Speaker 2>Right, Like I legitimately Tigers are better than all of them,

493
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<v Speaker 2>like the.

494
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<v Speaker 1>Well, okay, so Boston is a game ahead of them

495
00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:32.319
<v Speaker 1>and has a plus five.

496
00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:34.279
<v Speaker 2>Run differential, right, and they won eight of ten.

497
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<v Speaker 1>So every every other team ahead of them, including two

498
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<v Speaker 1>teams in the wildcard, have a negative run differential, and

499
00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:45.640
<v Speaker 1>the Tigers are at plus eleven. Like in all honesty.

500
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<v Speaker 1>The Tigers should not be training school unless unless they're

501
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<v Speaker 1>getting blown away.

502
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<v Speaker 2>I mean they can run this down to the wire

503
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<v Speaker 2>to write and see where they are.

504
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<v Speaker 1>They should, right, they should, and and like unless you're

505
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<v Speaker 1>getting in, I don't know, and I apologize if I'm

506
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<v Speaker 1>mispronounced it. Josewe to Paula. Joseie to Paula, Jose to Paula. Yeah,

507
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<v Speaker 1>hoose to Paula. If if you're getting him, which, by

508
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<v Speaker 1>the way, Katie Katie wou for the Athletic Report, he's untouchable.

509
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he should be. And you're gonna be very like

510
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<v Speaker 2>if I had my druthers, and I'm not going to

511
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<v Speaker 2>have my druthers, I think it would be one on

512
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<v Speaker 2>the mid season fifty.

513
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<v Speaker 1>He if you're getting him, okay, sure, right and probably

514
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<v Speaker 1>you know and maybe someone whatever.

515
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<v Speaker 2>But like if you're getting Mike Saroda, and I like Mike,

516
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<v Speaker 2>so he's also be very high on the middle fifty.

517
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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I don't know. This is so just our

518
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<v Speaker 1>rundown says. Is this going to be a slow deadline

519
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<v Speaker 1>because of the parody or an expensive one? I don't

520
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<v Speaker 1>know that it'll be slow. I think there will be

521
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<v Speaker 1>a lot of trades. I think they're all going to

522
00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:55.400
<v Speaker 1>be like, what is this Brooks Raley, You're well, it's

523
00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:57.400
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be a lot of relievers, but it's also

524
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<v Speaker 1>it's also just going to be like again trading part

525
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<v Speaker 1>arts like can I patch a hole here and maybe

526
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<v Speaker 1>be thinner here? But and but I don't know if

527
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<v Speaker 1>a ton of it's going to be big. And like

528
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<v Speaker 1>the other part of the Katie wu article, uh where

529
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<v Speaker 1>they she talked about how the Dodgers Art said he's

530
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<v Speaker 1>he's off limits for Apaula is that they are willing

531
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<v Speaker 1>to trade from there. They have very extensive outfield the

532
00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:26.720
<v Speaker 1>prospects depth, but but they basically want other prospects. They

533
00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:30.400
<v Speaker 1>want infield prospects or pitching prospects or whatever. So like

534
00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:33.519
<v Speaker 1>it's they're not talking about going and getting Trek Scooble.

535
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<v Speaker 2>Be very funny to flips all your hope for like

536
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<v Speaker 2>another low miners prospect and just keep the shaking to get.

537
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<v Speaker 1>The Michael Bush. So like, I think we're gonna see

538
00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:48.519
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that, like the moves that the Rays specialize in.

539
00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:52.240
<v Speaker 1>Right like whatever that deal was where they they would

540
00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Seattle and another team, I think right where they trade

541
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<v Speaker 1>Diego Castillo and got back you know, like whatever that

542
00:27:58.839 --> 00:28:01.319
<v Speaker 1>deal was a while back. Gonna see stuff like that.

543
00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:03.759
<v Speaker 1>I think we're going to see three team deals where

544
00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:06.559
<v Speaker 1>it's just again it's it's filling parts. It's we're gonna

545
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<v Speaker 1>see the Hunter Forduccia.

546
00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:11.759
<v Speaker 2>Adam's trade for Matt McLain for some reason.

547
00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:12.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

548
00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:15.720
<v Speaker 3>Sure, it'll probably be the Royals, the Rays will get

549
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:17.240
<v Speaker 3>a player without trading anyone.

550
00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Again that well, that was the Dodgers, I mean the.

551
00:28:24.799 --> 00:28:27.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm always I'm always impressed when a three team

552
00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:30.079
<v Speaker 3>trade with somebody just getting.

553
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:33.599
<v Speaker 1>But I think it's going to be the Dodgers. Raise

554
00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:36.839
<v Speaker 1>Brewers for the Mariners in there, because Jerry's always in

555
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:38.359
<v Speaker 1>trades like that kind.

556
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:43.119
<v Speaker 2>Of Mariners also need relievers, yes, I and.

557
00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:46.240
<v Speaker 1>So I That's that's where I'm coming out on it.

558
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:50.440
<v Speaker 1>It's I know that's not like you know, fancy analysis

559
00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:52.839
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, but that that really seems like where we're

560
00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:56.160
<v Speaker 1>where we're headed. And again, this is the incentive that

561
00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:59.759
<v Speaker 1>when you put six teams in each league and you

562
00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:04.960
<v Speaker 1>get a weird year on performance like over here.

563
00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:06.279
<v Speaker 2>Right, like the American League being as weird as it

564
00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:10.559
<v Speaker 2>and the American League having like teams with aspirations like

565
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:13.960
<v Speaker 2>the Jays, the Orioles, the Red Sox, the Tigers.

566
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:17.160
<v Speaker 1>So many teams have fallen flat on their face, right,

567
00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:22.400
<v Speaker 1>but also aren't really far enough out or are so

568
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:29.000
<v Speaker 1>pot committed. Yeah, you can't sell if you're Toronto this year, right.

569
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:31.279
<v Speaker 2>And also like if you're the I know it has

570
00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:34.799
<v Speaker 2>not been a great year for the Jays, but you

571
00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:36.759
<v Speaker 2>know they're only three out. You're gonnak at the team

572
00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:39.720
<v Speaker 2>that you can better work better than these teams, like

573
00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:42.480
<v Speaker 2>we are a few weeks away from being in this Yeah.

574
00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:45.240
<v Speaker 1>Well, and again like running for their minus forty two,

575
00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:48.000
<v Speaker 1>they really haven't been. But you have to believe you

576
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:50.599
<v Speaker 1>are right. You have to believe Vlad can stop hitting

577
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:54.200
<v Speaker 1>only singles. Yeah, right, at some point and that changes.

578
00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:56.480
<v Speaker 2>Because if he can't, you've got longer term problems. In

579
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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty six.

580
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:00.559
<v Speaker 1>Sure, but I think six you just got to.

581
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:05.480
<v Speaker 2>Ride it, get on, get on Ernie Clement's back, and.

582
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<v Speaker 1>That takes us to our second segment. We're gonna get

583
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<v Speaker 1>on Ernie clements back and go to our second segment. Hey,

584
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<v Speaker 1>now you're an all star. We've got starting lineups.

585
00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:21.079
<v Speaker 2>We don't have the full teams the full team before

586
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:21.400
<v Speaker 2>we do.

587
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:25.039
<v Speaker 1>Okay, lay it on me, I thought. I decided, I

588
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:26.119
<v Speaker 1>realized that could look.

589
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:28.640
<v Speaker 2>You're the one posted about never Wrong just early on

590
00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:30.839
<v Speaker 2>my Gal Vargas.

591
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:31.240
<v Speaker 1>But I thought he was a starter.

592
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:34.519
<v Speaker 2>He's just on the No, this is a very good

593
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:38.519
<v Speaker 2>like never Wrong just early group. We got Jordan Walker,

594
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:40.559
<v Speaker 2>we got Miguel Vargas.

595
00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:43.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

596
00:30:43.599 --> 00:30:43.839
<v Speaker 3>So I.

597
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:47.279
<v Speaker 1>Thought about going to look it up, and then I

598
00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:50.799
<v Speaker 1>thought maybe I will just respond in real time and

599
00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:55.079
<v Speaker 1>see if it is there anything that's gonna gonna pop.

600
00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:56.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

601
00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:01.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a lot of relievers, as Patrick last, that's not surprising.

602
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:05.640
<v Speaker 3>Nationally has like three relievers, right, they have a lot

603
00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:08.039
<v Speaker 3>of starters, have a lot of starters. So it's Mason

604
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:13.279
<v Speaker 3>Miller and rise Igasias and John Dura the only three relievers.

605
00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:15.039
<v Speaker 2>That's all you need, Frank, all.

606
00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:25.079
<v Speaker 3>Three excellent closers for you know, and somebody, Oh yeah.

607
00:31:24.039 --> 00:31:25.160
<v Speaker 1>Somebody had to make.

608
00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:27.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.

609
00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:32.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. No. The American League has uh this is this

610
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:36.279
<v Speaker 3>is probably my only actual annoyance with the American with

611
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:38.319
<v Speaker 3>the All Star roster this year is that the American

612
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:42.960
<v Speaker 3>League has four first basemen and seven starting pitchers and

613
00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:45.640
<v Speaker 3>there are five times as many starting pitchers as there

614
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:48.440
<v Speaker 3>are first basemen. Like the starting pitching has always been

615
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:52.519
<v Speaker 3>underrepresented in the Australia, just historically. You know, it used

616
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:54.839
<v Speaker 3>to be that. You know, in the old days, everybody

617
00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:57.599
<v Speaker 3>pitched two winnings and so you just got five.

618
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:01.160
<v Speaker 2>Having no good team in the al As, there's been

619
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:02.920
<v Speaker 2>no good starting pitching in the al either.

620
00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:05.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Nathany Aldi could have fit on this roster.

621
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:07.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna tell you this. I don't know if this

622
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:10.279
<v Speaker 1>would be hot take. I don't think South Stewart should

623
00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:10.559
<v Speaker 1>be here.

624
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:14.440
<v Speaker 2>He's been somebody had to make I guess Burns made

625
00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:16.000
<v Speaker 2>it from the Red So yeah.

626
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:18.000
<v Speaker 1>He has a one to seventeen ops plus as a

627
00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:18.640
<v Speaker 1>first basement.

628
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:21.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, some of this might be like the players voted

629
00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:23.920
<v Speaker 2>earlier or something when his umbers were better.

630
00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Look, he was absolutely phenomenal to start this. Yeah, that

631
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:29.480
<v Speaker 1>version absolutely deserves to be here.

632
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:32.079
<v Speaker 2>I think this is the South. This is what you're

633
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:34.519
<v Speaker 2>gonna You're gonna get South Stewart. It's like an eight

634
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:37.880
<v Speaker 2>hundred ops first and like on the not like eight

635
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:40.359
<v Speaker 2>hundreds ops, eight hundred ops first base.

636
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:43.480
<v Speaker 1>Dhah and to Patrick's like, why are there for first basement?

637
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:46.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Well because that's not starting.

638
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:49.759
<v Speaker 1>Now has four first basemen.

639
00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:54.799
<v Speaker 3>Well yeah, yeah, the NLS four first baseman and the

640
00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:56.240
<v Speaker 3>American league's four first baseman.

641
00:32:56.359 --> 00:32:59.440
<v Speaker 2>It's just like, well, second base is terrible in both leagues.

642
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:01.160
<v Speaker 2>You might as well slowed up on first basement.

643
00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:06.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, look auto, look Otto Lopez is Oh no, he's

644
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:09.119
<v Speaker 1>at short stop now anyway, I forgot, but he can

645
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:11.160
<v Speaker 1>play second. He's like deservingly there.

646
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:14.680
<v Speaker 2>Sure, I mean sure, Although, okay.

647
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Here's another one. Why is Travis Bazana here?

648
00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:18.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because that was.

649
00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:22.680
<v Speaker 2>A question because Kate Smith obviously man like whatever, he's

650
00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:24.799
<v Speaker 2>Kate Smith, but he's a good reliever, right, I fine,

651
00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:29.200
<v Speaker 2>Bazana like hasn't played like he's played fine, but he

652
00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:30.440
<v Speaker 2>also hasn't played.

653
00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:33.079
<v Speaker 1>It's very solid.

654
00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:35.160
<v Speaker 2>And again, second base is not very deep. I don't

655
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:37.880
<v Speaker 2>know why he's here instead of Ezekiel Dron Right.

656
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:39.720
<v Speaker 1>Well, again, if you're going to give it to someone

657
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:42.400
<v Speaker 1>who like is doing it purely off the strength of

658
00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:44.680
<v Speaker 1>this season, right because Basanna is.

659
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:48.160
<v Speaker 2>No track record beyond, then just give it to Doran.

660
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:51.799
<v Speaker 2>I do think there's this idea that they want to get,

661
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:54.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, going back to like Misrawski making the team

662
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:54.720
<v Speaker 2>last year.

663
00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:59.279
<v Speaker 1>I Actually, that's it. That's a valid argument, right if

664
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:01.359
<v Speaker 1>you said, like, we don't want to give it to

665
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:05.000
<v Speaker 1>a Rando Bazana was the first round pick, starts him

666
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:08.280
<v Speaker 1>to be right, Sorry, first, that's what I'm meant. Yeah,

667
00:34:08.440 --> 00:34:11.519
<v Speaker 1>we expect him to be good. That is Actually I

668
00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:14.320
<v Speaker 1>may or may not agree, but it's a real cojing argument,

669
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:17.760
<v Speaker 1>and I think a better use of the All Star Game.

670
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Then here's a good first half, right, I like, Also,

671
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:23.320
<v Speaker 1>the only reason he's here is here's a good first half.

672
00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:25.559
<v Speaker 1>And he didn't even come up that early.

673
00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:27.199
<v Speaker 2>Right, And it hasn't been that good at first half. No,

674
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:29.760
<v Speaker 2>not that Duran has been amazing or anything himself, Like

675
00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:33.039
<v Speaker 2>he's a very similar line to Bazana, but he's played

676
00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:36.559
<v Speaker 2>eighty one games, right, Like, I don't know. And look,

677
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:38.320
<v Speaker 2>there's a very good chance that Duran will end up

678
00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:40.280
<v Speaker 2>on this rocker at some point because they're going to

679
00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:42.679
<v Speaker 2>add another twenty players in the next week.

680
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:46.280
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I mean.

681
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:50.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but if you.

682
00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Look at like I'm just gonna look at the leaders

683
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:55.000
<v Speaker 2>at second base this year, you know, Chase.

684
00:34:56.679 --> 00:35:01.519
<v Speaker 1>Literally Chase, I do get but I guess to my mind,

685
00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:03.920
<v Speaker 1>like you then you fill the starter and just do

686
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.599
<v Speaker 1>middle infielders find another shortstop. I don't care.

687
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:11.960
<v Speaker 2>It's very funny to me that like Bezanna made it

688
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:13.280
<v Speaker 2>and weather Holt didn't.

689
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:16.039
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, well that's so that's the at Lopez thing,

690
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:19.440
<v Speaker 3>because like Otto, Lopez also isn't the only Marlin in

691
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:23.840
<v Speaker 3>right Max, Yeah, x Minor is there, but also Xavier

692
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:26.199
<v Speaker 3>Edwards did not make it, and it seems very weird

693
00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:27.000
<v Speaker 3>that one of them.

694
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Didn't having they're both having very they're both a great year.

695
00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:34.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think Lopez deserves to be there, sure.

696
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:37.239
<v Speaker 3>But then if you did Xavier Edwards, then you could do. Yeah,

697
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:39.920
<v Speaker 3>but then like you'd bump Louis Arise and like, I

698
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:41.800
<v Speaker 3>guess you need to have Louis Rise there.

699
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:44.440
<v Speaker 1>You don't need to, but he looks he's also having

700
00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:45.599
<v Speaker 1>a nice year. I don't.

701
00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:48.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, like weatherhol and Terrag probably both got

702
00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:49.920
<v Speaker 2>snobbed a little bit here.

703
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well but yeah, but does you dropel Stewart and

704
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:57.159
<v Speaker 1>three first Basement and you can add one of these guys.

705
00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:03.119
<v Speaker 1>I think the outfield is entirely deserving perfectly. Brenda Marsh

706
00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:06.119
<v Speaker 1>is a starter. It's still a little weird. It's a

707
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:07.960
<v Speaker 1>little weird. I mean, so and again he's had a

708
00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:09.920
<v Speaker 1>great year, but so is Andy Pies as a starter.

709
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:12.559
<v Speaker 1>But like the rest of the outfield is also all

710
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:17.480
<v Speaker 1>these guys in the NL are are deserving to be there.

711
00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, I don't know.

712
00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:22.559
<v Speaker 3>Baker just yeah, Brian.

713
00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:25.639
<v Speaker 1>Good year, good year. No, I'm not trying, not trying

714
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:27.320
<v Speaker 1>to reliever.

715
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:29.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, I also don't know why.

716
00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:34.400
<v Speaker 1>He closed for them, didn't He's been their closer And

717
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:35.639
<v Speaker 1>I guess.

718
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:39.280
<v Speaker 2>Patrick was talking about how many relievers are in the

719
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:42.000
<v Speaker 2>AL without matching that one of the starters is Michael Waka.

720
00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:47.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, and he's the he is the Royals representative, right, No, yeah,

721
00:36:48.159 --> 00:36:54.159
<v Speaker 3>all right, okay, Nathan Ivaldi could have gone for Michael Walker.

722
00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:57.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, Nathan.

723
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:00.599
<v Speaker 2>Again, I think some of these are just the players

724
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:02.119
<v Speaker 2>votes are going to be weird. Well, we see the

725
00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:02.960
<v Speaker 2>players votes, but.

726
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:07.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's not. Yeah, I mean you said Kate Smith,

727
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:09.079
<v Speaker 1>Parker mess the Guardians have three.

728
00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:12.119
<v Speaker 2>Man Well, Parker Mastic deserve like Bankly Parker mat deserves it.

729
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:18.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not I'm just saying they have multiple they

730
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:22.920
<v Speaker 1>have multiple guys. I tell you I wasn't. I had

731
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:26.679
<v Speaker 1>lost track after the rough start and minor rebound for

732
00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:30.639
<v Speaker 1>for Ranger Suarez. Yeah, I'm not. I was not expecting

733
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:33.199
<v Speaker 1>him to be on the All Star team.

734
00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:36.440
<v Speaker 2>Well he's not going to be my fault grind, but yeah,

735
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:37.800
<v Speaker 2>well but he was.

736
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:37.880
<v Speaker 3>He was.

737
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:40.000
<v Speaker 1>He is an All Star. He is an star, yes,

738
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:42.000
<v Speaker 1>not even if he's not on the team.

739
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:44.920
<v Speaker 3>It's it's very funny, I know, you know. Obviously the

740
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:48.800
<v Speaker 3>Toronto the Canadians packed the vote, although they only succeeded

741
00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:54.119
<v Speaker 3>in actually putting two guys in through the voting process, right,

742
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:59.239
<v Speaker 3>despite basically destroying any purpose of the runoff. Yeah, but

743
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:01.760
<v Speaker 3>the idea the Blue Jays have four All Stars is

744
00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:05.239
<v Speaker 3>still pretty funny for a team that's like a negative

745
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:09.440
<v Speaker 3>fifty frand differential the Mariners have. One part of this

746
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:11.679
<v Speaker 3>pitching thing for the American League is that none of

747
00:38:11.679 --> 00:38:12.920
<v Speaker 3>the Mariners starters made it.

748
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and like you kind of them really they really

749
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:17.880
<v Speaker 2>deserved it. They were all better than Michael some of

750
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:20.400
<v Speaker 2>them better than Michael waka Michael Walker.

751
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:23.880
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, there's a there, Yeah, I mean yeah. The

752
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:27.840
<v Speaker 1>Blue Jays thing is is Clement and Guerrero don't really

753
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:30.039
<v Speaker 1>deserve to be I mean a Clement does.

754
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:32.920
<v Speaker 3>It's the best second basement in the American League. It's

755
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:34.559
<v Speaker 3>just a really bad position.

756
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:39.599
<v Speaker 1>Like again, Doran has been better, has he has he

757
00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:42.440
<v Speaker 1>tailed off? I thought I thought Ernie Clement had like

758
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:43.199
<v Speaker 1>a ninety five.

759
00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:45.599
<v Speaker 3>I think it's like a one O seven is up.

760
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:46.159
<v Speaker 1>To one seven?

761
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:49.559
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, Duran's around one ten, So he's.

762
00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:55.280
<v Speaker 1>At one sixteen Doran and it's.

763
00:38:56.679 --> 00:38:57.880
<v Speaker 3>It's one of seven. I think.

764
00:38:57.920 --> 00:38:59.280
<v Speaker 1>By I mean, if you want to see good enough

765
00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:01.920
<v Speaker 1>ball park, that's fine. Again, this is like first half stuff.

766
00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:05.800
<v Speaker 1>If you want to give Clement the credit for the

767
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:07.920
<v Speaker 1>the playoffs, I think that's fine.

768
00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:08.360
<v Speaker 3>Right.

769
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:11.159
<v Speaker 1>Again, some of this stuff is til you get trailing

770
00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:13.599
<v Speaker 1>performance stuff. I don't really have a problem, but like

771
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:15.960
<v Speaker 1>flat doesn't deserve The thing is that the pitchers really do.

772
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:19.039
<v Speaker 1>Dylan Ceese and and lou Varland have been phenomenal as well.

773
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:23.320
<v Speaker 1>All I was trying to say, Yeah, and I honestly

774
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:25.639
<v Speaker 1>don't really have a problem with Vlad being there. He

775
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:28.320
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be a starter, but I again, he is a star,

776
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:31.559
<v Speaker 1>and I know he has not been good this year.

777
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:34.840
<v Speaker 1>But the whole thing with the first half performance stuff, yeah.

778
00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:39.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's not so much like angry stuffs so

779
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:40.119
<v Speaker 3>much just funny.

780
00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, all right, shall we go to our third segment,

781
00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:52.440
<v Speaker 1>drag me down to hell? The baseballs are different. We

782
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:54.719
<v Speaker 1>are I don't know, are we indifferent?

783
00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:58.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm I am at this point because it's it happens there,

784
00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:00.519
<v Speaker 2>like this is just what baseball is now and what

785
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:05.199
<v Speaker 2>the baseballs are right. This is kind of weaved its

786
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:07.119
<v Speaker 2>way into the fabric of how we have to talk

787
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:09.559
<v Speaker 2>about baseball now.

788
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:12.920
<v Speaker 1>I think it is. It is an issue that is

789
00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:17.960
<v Speaker 1>both important and in many ways none of my business.

790
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:23.320
<v Speaker 2>It's important to know about everyone's.

791
00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:29.239
<v Speaker 1>My My issue had going back to the kind of

792
00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:33.559
<v Speaker 1>the first kind of breakthrough reporting on this stuff had

793
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:39.000
<v Speaker 1>been with the league's obstinates in you know, coming forward

794
00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:43.679
<v Speaker 1>with any information the sifications. It's straight up lying about

795
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:51.199
<v Speaker 1>the specifications. Yeah, I don't love the specifications are extremely wide.

796
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:54.599
<v Speaker 1>And so that's like a very meaningless makes the phrase

797
00:40:54.639 --> 00:40:59.679
<v Speaker 1>so great rejoinder. But my issue was with their their

798
00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:03.599
<v Speaker 1>last of truthfulness. Frankly, like they just they lied about

799
00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:06.239
<v Speaker 1>stuff and they got caught lion, and that to me

800
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:11.960
<v Speaker 1>was a really really really big scandal. Beyond that, like

801
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:17.800
<v Speaker 1>they appear to be extremely bad at you know, consistent

802
00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:24.800
<v Speaker 1>consistent production in this stuff, and that is that is

803
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:27.960
<v Speaker 1>something I think is important that they need to clarify.

804
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:31.400
<v Speaker 1>I also like, I'm not it doesn't upset me on

805
00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:37.639
<v Speaker 1>a ethical or moral basis. I guess like it doesn't offend.

806
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:40.079
<v Speaker 3>Let's actually establish what happened.

807
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:43.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm just so, I'm going back to the to the

808
00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:47.239
<v Speaker 1>stuff we've already talked about way back when, right, like,

809
00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:53.400
<v Speaker 1>to me, the scandal was they tried to cover it up.

810
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:57.159
<v Speaker 1>The yeah, exactly, and they are incompetent, right, And I

811
00:41:57.159 --> 00:42:00.519
<v Speaker 1>don't believe they've gotten more competent, and that is a problem.

812
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:02.079
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's a scandal.

813
00:42:03.400 --> 00:42:06.519
<v Speaker 3>So anyway, what happened is that after the baseball was

814
00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:09.840
<v Speaker 3>normal for the first two months of the season, basically

815
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:13.239
<v Speaker 3>starting around June, the baseball stop.

816
00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:14.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, and there's no normal.

817
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:17.280
<v Speaker 3>It was well, it was it was twenty twenty five

818
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:20.280
<v Speaker 3>drag coefficients.

819
00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:22.039
<v Speaker 1>Kind of because I will say, I was talking about

820
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:24.559
<v Speaker 1>this with someone else and and like you can you

821
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:27.960
<v Speaker 1>can go search Matt Trueblood's Blue Sky posts and he's

822
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:30.880
<v Speaker 1>been since May being like the drag is dropping and

823
00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:34.639
<v Speaker 1>it's weird. It's right, So like it's been whatever, But

824
00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:35.960
<v Speaker 1>go ahead, I'm sorry, I keep saying.

825
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:41.000
<v Speaker 3>So Basically, Homer's for flaball in general norma, as the

826
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:43.840
<v Speaker 3>season warms up, they go up, right, It goes up

827
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:48.360
<v Speaker 3>generally about half a percent per month. In May it

828
00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:50.599
<v Speaker 3>was ten point eight. In June, it's thirteen in July.

829
00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:53.800
<v Speaker 3>So far it's fourteen point seven. We are now seeing

830
00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:57.280
<v Speaker 3>drag that's as close to twenty nineteen as we've seen

831
00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:03.920
<v Speaker 3>since twenty nineteen. That's what's going on. As far as like,

832
00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:06.559
<v Speaker 3>I think I care more about this than either of

833
00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:07.239
<v Speaker 3>you two do.

834
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

835
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:13.280
<v Speaker 3>I think part of it is that there's there's I'm

836
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:17.079
<v Speaker 3>of two mindst So one is that, like the question

837
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:20.559
<v Speaker 3>is why did the why did Like there's never really

838
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:24.039
<v Speaker 3>been answered why baseball? Why MLB lied about it in

839
00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:28.639
<v Speaker 3>the first place, right, because you could have just said, yes,

840
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:32.400
<v Speaker 3>we're having some manufacturing problems. You try making a baseball,

841
00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:35.360
<v Speaker 3>see how you well you do? And that could have

842
00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:38.719
<v Speaker 3>just been and people wouldn't annoyed, but they wouldn't have

843
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:39.159
<v Speaker 3>been annoyed.

844
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:42.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, whatever I will say on the like, you try

845
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:44.840
<v Speaker 1>making a baseball, see how well you do? Is the

846
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:47.840
<v Speaker 1>front is that like other people were making the baseball,

847
00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:51.679
<v Speaker 1>they bought the factory and said, like, we're going to

848
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:54.840
<v Speaker 1>do this and then I don't know. Maybe, look, we

849
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:56.840
<v Speaker 1>didn't pay attention to this kind of stuff. We didn't

850
00:43:56.880 --> 00:44:01.440
<v Speaker 1>have stat cast to start measuring the drag on this stuff,

851
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:06.079
<v Speaker 1>like back when MLB wasn't co owners of the of

852
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:10.719
<v Speaker 1>the production facility. But maybe it was also a problem that.

853
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:11.400
<v Speaker 3>You can like.

854
00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:16.320
<v Speaker 2>They definitely took us drag, right, or they definitely.

855
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:19.519
<v Speaker 1>But they took a company that knew what they were

856
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:21.880
<v Speaker 1>doing and had supply chain stuff in place and took

857
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:25.360
<v Speaker 1>it over and like they didn't have that expertise, so

858
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:28.239
<v Speaker 1>like it wouldn't surprise me if it got worse now

859
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:31.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm not Again, maybe the prior company also had these

860
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:33.840
<v Speaker 1>problems and we all just said, like a lot of

861
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:36.880
<v Speaker 1>home runs this month, yeah, right, like we didn't know,

862
00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:39.519
<v Speaker 1>but now we know.

863
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:43.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, so keeping like home runs for fly ball,

864
00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:46.400
<v Speaker 3>which we tracked the last twenty five years, I think

865
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:53.639
<v Speaker 3>basically that number since two thousand and two generally in

866
00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:57.159
<v Speaker 3>the six to seventy eight percent range for a decade

867
00:44:57.199 --> 00:44:59.199
<v Speaker 3>and a half. And then but are you going by

868
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:01.440
<v Speaker 3>year or by going by a year in league wide?

869
00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:02.320
<v Speaker 1>Right?

870
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:05.760
<v Speaker 3>And then like the swing approach, and then you have

871
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:08.760
<v Speaker 3>the launch angle of revolution quote unquote right.

872
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:13.239
<v Speaker 1>Which which again is in tandem with the ball change, right,

873
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:18.440
<v Speaker 1>and now we're seeing generally numbers more like ten eleven,

874
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:19.199
<v Speaker 1>like in.

875
00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:23.840
<v Speaker 3>Twenty nineteen, it's twelve point eight for the year. It

876
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:27.000
<v Speaker 3>was way down before, like it was like eight point three.

877
00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:30.079
<v Speaker 3>Given that we're only through you know, only through the

878
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:34.079
<v Speaker 3>cold months for the most part, was the lowest since

879
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:38.119
<v Speaker 3>twenty fourteen. That wouldn't have stayed there, but it's it

880
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:42.679
<v Speaker 3>was starting pretty low. We also no go ahead.

881
00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:46.920
<v Speaker 1>I was just say Ben Ben Lindberg and Andino Saras

882
00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:52.880
<v Speaker 1>asked the league about their baseballs and the production right

883
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:56.159
<v Speaker 1>this is last week, and they answered, I'm not going

884
00:45:56.199 --> 00:45:58.480
<v Speaker 1>to read the whole thing. It's it's a fairly lengthy

885
00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:03.360
<v Speaker 1>to paragraphs, but they basically answered and said, everything's within

886
00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:08.360
<v Speaker 1>specifications as expected. And also some of these baseballs have

887
00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:13.519
<v Speaker 1>some yellow discoloration because it's some oil and it's like

888
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:19.119
<v Speaker 1>it's potentially leaking into the the like through the seams

889
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:24.719
<v Speaker 1>into the specific But they answer this, they bring it

890
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:27.760
<v Speaker 1>up and like, I'm just gonna quote what Ben said.

891
00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:30.400
<v Speaker 1>He said, I asked MLB about the recent variability in

892
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:33.400
<v Speaker 1>the drag and carry of the baseball. Here's the league's response,

893
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:36.400
<v Speaker 1>and then they just launched into like yellowing from excess

894
00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:39.400
<v Speaker 1>oil from the yarn inside the baseball, and it was

895
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:43.440
<v Speaker 1>it is one of the most like my statement on

896
00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:46.280
<v Speaker 1>the yellowing of the baseball is answering a lot of

897
00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:49.440
<v Speaker 1>questions brought up by my statement. No one was asking

898
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:53.880
<v Speaker 1>about yellow baseballs. The question was about drag and carry,

899
00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:57.599
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, listen, the baseballs are yellow, but it

900
00:46:57.679 --> 00:47:01.480
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't impact the drag and the care. And it's like, well,

901
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:05.440
<v Speaker 1>something is why is every beat yellow? Hold on?

902
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:09.480
<v Speaker 3>So all right, So to go back to my point

903
00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:13.920
<v Speaker 3>about the two lines, uh people, I think generally people

904
00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:18.000
<v Speaker 3>don't want the baseball to change. They want it to

905
00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:21.719
<v Speaker 3>be predictable. We want this partially because we want our

906
00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:24.719
<v Speaker 3>players to have the same playing field as previous players.

907
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:27.760
<v Speaker 3>Baseball has this thing about, you know, the field, the

908
00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:30.599
<v Speaker 3>way the game is played not changing very much so

909
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:33.000
<v Speaker 3>that we can compare players so that we can get

910
00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:35.480
<v Speaker 3>a better sense of how good they are. Right. You

911
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:39.760
<v Speaker 3>also have the external factors, which you know about who

912
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:44.239
<v Speaker 3>is betting on these games. I don't I don't care

913
00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:47.039
<v Speaker 3>about the betting on the games. People do care about

914
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:50.519
<v Speaker 3>the betting on the games. And yes, it looks weird, but.

915
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:55.199
<v Speaker 2>The season, like, you know, all this information is available, right,

916
00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:57.519
<v Speaker 2>Like if you're an actual sharp or you're a casino,

917
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:01.199
<v Speaker 2>you are looking at stuff like car remember fly ball

918
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:03.960
<v Speaker 2>rate and run environment before you're setting over underlines.

919
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:08.039
<v Speaker 1>Sure so sure, but look, this is a rapid in

920
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:09.000
<v Speaker 1>season change.

921
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like someone's probably got caught.

922
00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:13.320
<v Speaker 1>With their pants down, right, so to speak, whether it's

923
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:16.559
<v Speaker 1>a better or or a book or whatever. I think

924
00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:19.079
<v Speaker 1>the only part I and I don't really care, but

925
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:22.000
<v Speaker 1>like MLB really has to care about in this regard

926
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:29.920
<v Speaker 1>is their partners with these sports books are probably not thrilled.

927
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:30.719
<v Speaker 3>They're not happy.

928
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:34.920
<v Speaker 1>I imagine if the league was capable of shame, they

929
00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:38.119
<v Speaker 1>should be embarrassed, right, But like I don't know that

930
00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:41.239
<v Speaker 1>they are. Yeah, I don't know.

931
00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:43.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I'm not going to care on those people's behalf.

932
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:45.599
<v Speaker 1>No, no, not to admit.

933
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:48.800
<v Speaker 3>That those forces are there that this this game to

934
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:52.920
<v Speaker 3>be consistent and because of those partnerships, every time something

935
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:58.079
<v Speaker 3>like this happens, you go, okay, but you know what people.

936
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:01.760
<v Speaker 1>Right right, this and this was the whole thing. Look,

937
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:04.119
<v Speaker 1>I spent a lot of time saying, like, I don't

938
00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:10.000
<v Speaker 1>think these partnerships are like people talk about getting in

939
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:12.559
<v Speaker 1>bed with the sports books and stuff like, I don't

940
00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:15.920
<v Speaker 1>think they're necessarily that kind of thing, but it raises

941
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:19.320
<v Speaker 1>the possibility. Like you, you've got to be on top

942
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:22.159
<v Speaker 1>of your game. You have to be very clean about

943
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:24.320
<v Speaker 1>all of this stuff. And the reality is MLB is

944
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:28.079
<v Speaker 1>very messy. Yeah, and so it introduces that possibility. And

945
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:31.599
<v Speaker 1>again they should be embarrassed by all of that.

946
00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:33.880
<v Speaker 3>It is the part of the cost of doing business

947
00:49:33.880 --> 00:49:36.880
<v Speaker 3>to be to work with these people is that you

948
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:40.960
<v Speaker 3>have to You're getting all this money from those you know,

949
00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:44.079
<v Speaker 3>from the gamblers, less money than they spent. Yeah, but

950
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:46.039
<v Speaker 3>whatever money you're getting, somebody what I'm.

951
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Saying, like they should like you, you would hope given

952
00:49:48.679 --> 00:49:51.239
<v Speaker 1>given everything that comes with it, like you, it should

953
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:52.000
<v Speaker 1>have been more money.

954
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:56.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but you know what I mean. True, but you

955
00:49:56.199 --> 00:49:58.920
<v Speaker 3>need to take some of that money and invest it

956
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:02.599
<v Speaker 3>in me making sure that you don't screw up like this,

957
00:50:03.079 --> 00:50:05.079
<v Speaker 3>Like it's part of the cost of doing this particular

958
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:05.880
<v Speaker 3>type of business.

959
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Couldn't agree more.

960
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:13.400
<v Speaker 3>Now that's it. I actually like random baseball, Yeah, independent

961
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:15.639
<v Speaker 3>of independent of everything else. Yeah.

962
00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:18.360
<v Speaker 1>This this goes back to the original report that like

963
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:22.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't care as much like if everyone's playing by

964
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:28.639
<v Speaker 1>the same, like random rules, not that the rules are

965
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:30.639
<v Speaker 1>like the randomness of the ball is true if it's

966
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:32.599
<v Speaker 1>truly random, and like you get what you get and

967
00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:36.000
<v Speaker 1>you don't get upset, like and it's not biased in

968
00:50:36.039 --> 00:50:37.119
<v Speaker 1>some way, shape or form.

969
00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:41.280
<v Speaker 3>He's getting all the Yeah, I don't know what what

970
00:50:41.480 --> 00:50:43.960
<v Speaker 3>you get. I don't think it happened, but you are

971
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:44.519
<v Speaker 3>opening up.

972
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:50.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, anyway, as long as it's all even what it

973
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:54.719
<v Speaker 4>does like this is this is a chance to throw

974
00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:57.840
<v Speaker 4>a little bit of fair chaos into the game.

975
00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:00.679
<v Speaker 3>And I think the sport needs more fair chaos. I

976
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:06.239
<v Speaker 3>think baseball needs to be more complicated for the people

977
00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:09.320
<v Speaker 3>we need. We need the people who are his job

978
00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:12.360
<v Speaker 3>is to solve the game to have more work to do,

979
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:14.599
<v Speaker 3>and this is a good way to give them more work.

980
00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:17.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's not good when it's entirely we don't

981
00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:19.480
<v Speaker 1>want it to be predictable, right, that's exactly.

982
00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Look, you can't I cannot say anything bad about the

983
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:25.480
<v Speaker 2>baseballs because it's allowed Junior Camon Arrow to do whatever

984
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:29.360
<v Speaker 2>he's doing, which he might be doing with like if

985
00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:31.400
<v Speaker 2>he was swinging at bowling balls at this point.

986
00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:34.599
<v Speaker 1>So, and to be clear, that there's there's additional I

987
00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:37.559
<v Speaker 1>keep mentioning the original reporting, which was was broadly on

988
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:41.840
<v Speaker 1>the backs of Bradford, William Davis, and Meredith Wills for

989
00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:46.079
<v Speaker 1>Business Insider. Bradford had come out with a new article

990
00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:50.599
<v Speaker 1>today this morning on some emails he got a hold

991
00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:54.679
<v Speaker 1>of from Morgan Sword to various scientists and other legal officials.

992
00:51:56.280 --> 00:51:59.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the thing Bradford seems to be focusing on

993
00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:03.280
<v Speaker 1>in his article is that Sword mentions a target home

994
00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:06.920
<v Speaker 1>run rate and these are These are from twenty nineteen,

995
00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:11.800
<v Speaker 1>to be clear, So this is new reporting on at

996
00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:17.599
<v Speaker 1>the time discussions. These are not like new and I'm

997
00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:20.599
<v Speaker 1>not trying to downplay it necessarily, but like it would

998
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:24.880
<v Speaker 1>hit differently to me, so to speak, if if we

999
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:28.840
<v Speaker 1>had an email from Morgan's Sword in May, or even

1000
00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:32.079
<v Speaker 1>in or even in February that said we want a

1001
00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:35.239
<v Speaker 1>different home run rate and now the ball is changing, right,

1002
00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:37.840
<v Speaker 1>These are twenty nine. I just want to set the

1003
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:40.599
<v Speaker 1>scene for everyone. These are twenty nineteen emails, so it

1004
00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:42.880
<v Speaker 1>is of the of a piece of of when we're

1005
00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:47.239
<v Speaker 1>talking about those original reporting. I don't have a problem

1006
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:50.119
<v Speaker 1>with the league wanting a target home run right, or

1007
00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:55.159
<v Speaker 1>run environment or anything we've seen. We've seen the was it.

1008
00:52:56.239 --> 00:52:59.360
<v Speaker 1>The MVB and KBO have both come out and said

1009
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:03.800
<v Speaker 1>like we're ching the balls for this reason. Right, I

1010
00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:06.840
<v Speaker 1>don't think that's scandalous. Again, I think the league should

1011
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:11.639
<v Speaker 1>be more forthcoming or not because people people's lives are

1012
00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:13.360
<v Speaker 1>based on it, right, Like, yeah.

1013
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:16.159
<v Speaker 2>And this is sport. This is no only sport. This happens.

1014
00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:19.320
<v Speaker 2>And obviously there's remember that probably over a decade ago

1015
00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:22.079
<v Speaker 2>at MBA they changed they had like the slick basketballs

1016
00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:25.679
<v Speaker 2>whatever it was soccer like because it's.

1017
00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:27.039
<v Speaker 1>Well and they yeah, they changed it and then changed

1018
00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:28.920
<v Speaker 1>it back with it.

1019
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Like the World Cup soccer ball is just different from

1020
00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:34.840
<v Speaker 2>any other soccer ball usually like this year, I know

1021
00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:37.599
<v Speaker 2>people have noticed it the playoff balls because it has

1022
00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:40.760
<v Speaker 2>the sensor and it like it's it's moving slightly differently

1023
00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:44.559
<v Speaker 2>because it has like slightly different I don't center gravity

1024
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:47.639
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. But there have been issues before. There's one

1025
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:50.079
<v Speaker 2>of them. I think it was a twenty ten World

1026
00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:55.159
<v Speaker 2>Cup had like a weird kind of like knuckleball effect

1027
00:53:55.239 --> 00:53:58.000
<v Speaker 2>to it that goalkeepers didn't like. Obviously, there was like

1028
00:53:58.039 --> 00:53:59.960
<v Speaker 2>the flight gate in the NFL, right, like, this is

1029
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:04.239
<v Speaker 2>just something that but baseball. I think because baseball is

1030
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:10.639
<v Speaker 2>so based around like it's it's baseball, it is really

1031
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:13.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of like a physics experiment when you everything is physics,

1032
00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:17.280
<v Speaker 2>right from the pitches to the ball, how the ball

1033
00:54:17.320 --> 00:54:19.760
<v Speaker 2>travels off the bat and everything else in a way

1034
00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:24.239
<v Speaker 2>that kind of like other sports aren't as heavily indebted

1035
00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:27.840
<v Speaker 2>to just because like the distance being traveled is generally

1036
00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:32.239
<v Speaker 2>more so we're never getting away from this now that

1037
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:33.360
<v Speaker 2>we can measure it basically.

1038
00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and again I guess I just I don't think.

1039
00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:40.800
<v Speaker 1>I think. I think you could argue the league should

1040
00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:44.320
<v Speaker 1>target home run right, they should want the consistency.

1041
00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:47.199
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it doesn't really matter what the rate is, as

1042
00:54:47.239 --> 00:54:49.159
<v Speaker 2>long as there's right, right, right right.

1043
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:53.000
<v Speaker 1>The second half of what matters is can you do it?

1044
00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Can you produce a ball or a series of balls

1045
00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:03.159
<v Speaker 1>that consistently in that range? And the answer and the embarrassing.

1046
00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Part don't know anymore.

1047
00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:07.480
<v Speaker 1>And why I would assume the league isn't forthcoming about

1048
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:10.840
<v Speaker 1>this is they would they have and would fail? Yeah,

1049
00:55:11.920 --> 00:55:14.000
<v Speaker 1>they were, you know, they could come out and say

1050
00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:15.840
<v Speaker 1>we want a I don't know, what did you say?

1051
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:18.159
<v Speaker 1>It was mostly six and then it's ten and obviously

1052
00:55:18.239 --> 00:55:20.679
<v Speaker 1>now it's they might say we want somewhere in the

1053
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:24.639
<v Speaker 1>eight twelve range, and then people are gonna say, like, hey, fucos,

1054
00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:27.400
<v Speaker 1>it's fourteen percent, right, what's wrong with you?

1055
00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:32.400
<v Speaker 2>And that's so, why are these baseball so oily?

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<v Speaker 1>What? What's wrong with you? And they would say they're yellow?

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00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:38.440
<v Speaker 1>But it's fine, it's fine.

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00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:40.360
<v Speaker 3>It's a pleasant color.

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00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:44.119
<v Speaker 1>I really, I've.

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00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:46.239
<v Speaker 2>Never I just keep thinking back. You remember, I know

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00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:49.719
<v Speaker 2>you guys watch X Files, but the cerulean blue episode,

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00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:52.760
<v Speaker 2>and they're just saying, like, I don't know, like it's

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00:55:54.639 --> 00:55:57.599
<v Speaker 2>it's like dandelion yellow, just like over and try to like.

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<v Speaker 1>The issue with the supplier. But due to necessary lead

1065
00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:05.960
<v Speaker 1>times associated with baseball production, the balls out the staining

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00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:07.960
<v Speaker 1>will not be shipped to clubs until late in the

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00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:08.480
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty.

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00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:10.480
<v Speaker 2>Put some more mud on them to cover up the

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00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:11.280
<v Speaker 2>yellow stains.

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00:56:11.400 --> 00:56:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, so they do say MLB's game day compliance monitors

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00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:18.840
<v Speaker 1>remove any baseballs that show cosmetic imperfections after the pregame

1072
00:56:18.920 --> 00:56:26.400
<v Speaker 1>mudding process. Now they do. They also say, to be clear,

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00:56:26.440 --> 00:56:29.239
<v Speaker 1>there has been no change in the materials or manufacturing

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00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:32.880
<v Speaker 1>process of the baseball. I mean, but I don't know

1075
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:36.840
<v Speaker 1>how that squares with extra oil in the yard that

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00:56:36.920 --> 00:56:37.559
<v Speaker 1>has been.

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00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:42.119
<v Speaker 2>Resolved but is also still but also it was never changed.

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00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:51.400
<v Speaker 1>We've resolved the issue, there have been no changes. Absolutely incredible.

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00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:56.079
<v Speaker 1>On that note, Let's take a break. We're going to

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00:56:56.159 --> 00:56:58.719
<v Speaker 1>resolve to never change, and we will be back with

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00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:24.960
<v Speaker 1>the Restless. Welcome back to episode five hundred and sixty

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00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:27.199
<v Speaker 1>of five and dive. We're on our fourth segment. We're

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00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:29.920
<v Speaker 1>going around the Horn. We'll start with some bad news.

1084
00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:34.840
<v Speaker 1>We've got two UCL reconstructions, one of which will actually

1085
00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:40.320
<v Speaker 1>be a third U Seel reconstruction for Paul Reagans. We

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00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:44.320
<v Speaker 1>managed not to bring that up specifically in the entire

1087
00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:45.599
<v Speaker 1>discussion we had on the Royal Well.

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00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:47.280
<v Speaker 2>I did say they were starting pitching was either bad

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00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:48.079
<v Speaker 2>or hurt, and he's.

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00:57:48.280 --> 00:57:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, yeah.

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00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:52.760
<v Speaker 3>It feels Likechael Reagan's has gotten Tommy John in the

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00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:54.840
<v Speaker 3>middle of his other Tommy John. I feel like every

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00:57:55.079 --> 00:57:57.159
<v Speaker 3>every month we talk about him getting Tommy John.

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00:57:57.800 --> 00:58:00.800
<v Speaker 1>He he had also a lot of shoulder issues. I mean,

1095
00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:05.239
<v Speaker 1>like this is their window basically flew open when they

1096
00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:08.000
<v Speaker 1>traded a rold As trapman for Cole Reagan's and Cole

1097
00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Reagan's was elite and it's basically like, again, if he's

1098
00:58:11.960 --> 00:58:15.639
<v Speaker 1>gonna miss next year, how can next year possibly be better? Right?

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00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:18.119
<v Speaker 2>I think they also they can't done it. It is,

1100
00:58:18.159 --> 00:58:21.719
<v Speaker 2>but also they can't do anything to change it, right,

1101
00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Like that they can't do anything to change it, and

1102
00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:25.079
<v Speaker 2>they can't. Also they don't have any of miss out.

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00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:27.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well no, no, I want to be I know

1104
00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:29.920
<v Speaker 1>we all know this, but like they can do something

1105
00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:33.360
<v Speaker 1>to okay, but they will not fair, they will not.

1106
00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:37.880
<v Speaker 1>I think it's just so on that front, it's pretty devastating.

1107
00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:39.960
<v Speaker 1>It's not a change from the status quo because he's

1108
00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:42.880
<v Speaker 1>been hurt most of the season, but it's it's a

1109
00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:46.519
<v Speaker 1>very long term. Yeah, and like we don't know if

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00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:47.840
<v Speaker 1>he can come back from it from.

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00:58:47.719 --> 00:58:49.239
<v Speaker 2>A third do you see l surgery? Like it's like

1112
00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:51.559
<v Speaker 2>Johnny Benter's and like I can't think of anybody else

1113
00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:52.840
<v Speaker 2>that's actually come back from it.

1114
00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:56.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's the only one I I'm thinking of at

1115
00:58:56.760 --> 00:59:02.199
<v Speaker 1>the moment. Carl Stephen also going under under the knife

1116
00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:05.880
<v Speaker 1>for you see all reconstruction. It's a tough one. That's

1117
00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:09.360
<v Speaker 1>what he's the guardians. He was the Shane Beabery turn

1118
00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:13.559
<v Speaker 1>right and and someone who could have could have arrow

1119
00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:16.159
<v Speaker 1>up guy last year. Yeah, and then has been.

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<v Speaker 2>Could have been a twenty twenty six factor in their

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00:59:18.800 --> 00:59:21.199
<v Speaker 2>rotation based on where he started the season.

1122
00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Brandon Woodruff has a dead arm.

1123
00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:31.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we know moving it's dead, Jim moving on.

1124
00:59:32.480 --> 00:59:35.320
<v Speaker 1>This is probably the biggest item of discussion on the

1125
00:59:35.320 --> 00:59:40.559
<v Speaker 1>field from the weekend. Urie Perez had a perfect game

1126
00:59:40.800 --> 00:59:45.679
<v Speaker 1>through seven innings, pulled at ninety two pitches. It was

1127
00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:48.440
<v Speaker 1>what eight nothing? Yes, it and ended up a one

1128
00:59:48.559 --> 00:59:48.960
<v Speaker 1>run game.

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00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:52.719
<v Speaker 1>The reliever immediately immediately walked a guy, so then it

1131
00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:54.840
<v Speaker 1>was a no hitter and then gave up five runs

1132
00:59:55.239 --> 00:59:57.320
<v Speaker 1>I think straight off the bat, and then they tacked

1133
00:59:57.360 --> 00:59:59.000
<v Speaker 1>on a couple more to make it a one run game.

1134
01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:03.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't like speaking of discourse. I'm just not This

1135
01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:07.960
<v Speaker 2>is just baseball now. The baseballs are inconsistent. The pitchers

1136
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:11.880
<v Speaker 2>get pulled earlier during no hitters perfect games. Like give

1137
01:00:11.920 --> 01:00:15.000
<v Speaker 2>him Perez's age and his injury history.

1138
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:17.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't, and he's what this is his third start

1139
01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:18.519
<v Speaker 1>off the IL.

1140
01:00:18.880 --> 01:00:23.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't have a huge problem with this, Like, like

1141
01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:26.480
<v Speaker 2>the fact of the matter is as cool as no

1142
01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:30.719
<v Speaker 2>hitters and perfect games are, Like they're just not cool

1143
01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:33.119
<v Speaker 2>enough or remembered enough to be worth.

1144
01:00:33.960 --> 01:00:37.280
<v Speaker 1>So I I just I disagree, Okay, I agree with

1145
01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:42.679
<v Speaker 1>you on no hitters. Perfect games are one of the

1146
01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:44.079
<v Speaker 1>rarest things in these they are.

1147
01:00:44.079 --> 01:00:45.519
<v Speaker 2>But also who to the last one?

1148
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:53.719
<v Speaker 1>Like, I don't remember anything. That's that's that's a gotcha,

1149
01:00:53.920 --> 01:00:54.719
<v Speaker 1>that's not fair.

1150
01:00:56.400 --> 01:00:58.320
<v Speaker 2>The only one I remember is Tom Browning when I

1151
01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:03.400
<v Speaker 2>was a kid. Through one. I remember Philip Humber Phlip Humber.

1152
01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:10.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it's again, yahact like I don't. Yeah, you probably

1153
01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:12.880
<v Speaker 2>should have given him the eighth right, it's ninety two pitches.

1154
01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:14.079
<v Speaker 2>It's not but again, it's just.

1155
01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:17.440
<v Speaker 1>It's cool.

1156
01:01:19.360 --> 01:01:20.440
<v Speaker 3>That's the last one to do it.

1157
01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:22.920
<v Speaker 2>That makes sense. I did not remember that, But.

1158
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think we intentionally forgot that. That was twenty

1159
01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:31.519
<v Speaker 1>twenty three. Yeah, and before that it was Felix.

1160
01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:32.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:37.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, before that twenty twelve, had it had three?

1162
01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:39.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, that was weird.

1163
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:44.280
<v Speaker 1>Humber, Matt Kine and Felix in twenty twelve. I mean, look,

1164
01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:47.440
<v Speaker 1>there's twenty four I know in all of history. Plus

1165
01:01:47.480 --> 01:01:50.519
<v Speaker 1>I would say, which is the easiest one to remember?

1166
01:01:51.719 --> 01:01:54.320
<v Speaker 1>I just I do twenty four in the entire history

1167
01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:58.920
<v Speaker 1>of baseball? Yeah to me, Like, you let a guy

1168
01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:02.159
<v Speaker 1>go because look, if he goes to one hundred and ten,

1169
01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:05.920
<v Speaker 1>he's unless they just foul foulfoul, which I understand is

1170
01:02:05.960 --> 01:02:08.559
<v Speaker 1>what they had done. But like he's either gonna lose

1171
01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:10.480
<v Speaker 1>it via a walk or a hit or or you know,

1172
01:02:10.599 --> 01:02:12.800
<v Speaker 1>or whatever and then or an error and then whatever

1173
01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:17.920
<v Speaker 1>and then you pull him. But like there's twenty four

1174
01:02:18.119 --> 01:02:23.480
<v Speaker 1>ever in baseball's insanely long history of one hundred and

1175
01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:27.400
<v Speaker 1>sixty sixty two games a year, there's so many games,

1176
01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:31.280
<v Speaker 1>like you're gonna be I understand that it's Domingo Harmon

1177
01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:35.960
<v Speaker 1>and Philip Umber and like it's it's not the most

1178
01:02:36.400 --> 01:02:42.480
<v Speaker 1>glorious m hm list of names necessarily, but like it

1179
01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:49.719
<v Speaker 1>is an achievement that it's such a small percentage, right, Yeah,

1180
01:02:50.400 --> 01:02:52.400
<v Speaker 1>get to do it. I don't know how to. I

1181
01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:56.480
<v Speaker 1>couldn't take that away from someone a no hitter short, fine,

1182
01:02:56.599 --> 01:03:00.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't care about no hitters. That perfect game is

1183
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:01.519
<v Speaker 1>a different story.

1184
01:03:03.880 --> 01:03:13.360
<v Speaker 3>Patrick, Yeah, I mean yeah, ninety two boy two pitches. Yeah,

1185
01:03:13.400 --> 01:03:17.559
<v Speaker 3>it's it's a bummer. I I want more than anything. Like,

1186
01:03:17.800 --> 01:03:20.960
<v Speaker 3>you can never criticize the individual decisions in these situations.

1187
01:03:20.960 --> 01:03:25.800
<v Speaker 3>You can only criticize the wide long view that has

1188
01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:28.119
<v Speaker 3>gotten us to this point, and I don't even know.

1189
01:03:28.119 --> 01:03:35.199
<v Speaker 1>What I'm criticizing. Don Mattingly, Okay, it's done that manage

1190
01:03:35.199 --> 01:03:41.360
<v Speaker 1>the market knew he was a manager. Again. The Marlins

1191
01:03:41.360 --> 01:03:45.000
<v Speaker 1>don't even have a marriage bench coach.

1192
01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:50.280
<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, I just wish baseball it's something I miss.

1193
01:03:50.800 --> 01:03:54.599
<v Speaker 3>I like pitchers pitching tired, and I understand why they don't.

1194
01:03:54.719 --> 01:03:57.519
<v Speaker 3>And I understand why they don't even without the rules.

1195
01:03:57.840 --> 01:04:01.400
<v Speaker 1>But I also to be clear that I am forticizing

1196
01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:01.920
<v Speaker 1>to Mattie.

1197
01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:05.559
<v Speaker 3>Okay, just whatever, whatever's going on, whatever the hell.

1198
01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:09.760
<v Speaker 1>Is going on, I don't like it. I agree with you,

1199
01:04:09.840 --> 01:04:13.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm not patter, but I am also criticizing Cleeton McCall. Yeah,

1200
01:04:14.119 --> 01:04:16.639
<v Speaker 1>I mean he learned from the best. Dave Roberts has

1201
01:04:16.639 --> 01:04:20.960
<v Speaker 1>removed Rich Hill in Miami from a perfect game after

1202
01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:25.400
<v Speaker 1>seven eights, I think, so, you know, he's he had

1203
01:04:25.400 --> 01:04:28.199
<v Speaker 1>an example set for him. Speaking of the Dodgers, we've

1204
01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:31.519
<v Speaker 1>got good news for teams that he don't need. Good news.

1205
01:04:32.079 --> 01:04:37.719
<v Speaker 1>Evan Phillips is back after a lengthy stay on the IL.

1206
01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:40.679
<v Speaker 1>The relief corps has been it's been up and down,

1207
01:04:40.679 --> 01:04:43.760
<v Speaker 1>but mostly pretty good. Tanner Scott is good again. Yeah,

1208
01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:47.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't really want to admit it, but

1209
01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:47.960
<v Speaker 1>he's been very good.

1210
01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:50.400
<v Speaker 3>It's very funny that when Tanner Scott is bad, you

1211
01:04:50.440 --> 01:04:52.760
<v Speaker 3>hear about him constantly. When he's good, you like, the

1212
01:04:52.800 --> 01:04:55.039
<v Speaker 3>only way you know Tanner Scott's been good because you haven't.

1213
01:04:56.320 --> 01:04:58.920
<v Speaker 1>We also heard about Tanner Scott when he came up

1214
01:04:58.920 --> 01:04:59.800
<v Speaker 1>with the brimless hat.

1215
01:04:59.840 --> 01:05:00.079
<v Speaker 3>To be.

1216
01:05:03.320 --> 01:05:08.559
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of Dodger's closers, Edwin Diaz is facing live batters.

1217
01:05:10.239 --> 01:05:12.079
<v Speaker 2>He also did give a quote that like he did

1218
01:05:12.199 --> 01:05:14.960
<v Speaker 2>about the cock fighting ring, where he did not it's

1219
01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:16.840
<v Speaker 2>in the past and he did not do anything illegal

1220
01:05:16.960 --> 01:05:19.239
<v Speaker 2>and has not heard from Major League Baseball again.

1221
01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:23.239
<v Speaker 1>It was within specifications. Nothing has changed, but we've resolved

1222
01:05:23.239 --> 01:05:29.519
<v Speaker 1>the issue. Those live batters included Enrique Hernandez, who was

1223
01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:35.800
<v Speaker 1>recovering from a strained oblique. He had an oblique issue

1224
01:05:35.800 --> 01:05:37.920
<v Speaker 1>that he had just come back from. He had tweaked

1225
01:05:37.960 --> 01:05:40.079
<v Speaker 1>the I still I can't get over this. I just

1226
01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:44.519
<v Speaker 1>remember this. He he had tweaked the oblique that he

1227
01:05:44.559 --> 01:05:46.039
<v Speaker 1>had just come off the eel from he had I

1228
01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:48.800
<v Speaker 1>think he played like three four games total in that

1229
01:05:49.119 --> 01:05:52.599
<v Speaker 1>like in BP Yeah, and then said I'm going to

1230
01:05:52.679 --> 01:05:53.400
<v Speaker 1>keep playing it.

1231
01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:54.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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01:05:54.079 --> 01:05:57.199
<v Speaker 1>After tweaking a thing you just got off the iel

1233
01:05:57.280 --> 01:05:59.519
<v Speaker 1>front and then hit like a home run in a

1234
01:05:59.519 --> 01:06:02.239
<v Speaker 1>double and I'm the double. He really hurt himself.

1235
01:06:03.519 --> 01:06:05.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, take some more live VP and see if he

1236
01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:06.599
<v Speaker 2>can tweak it again and get another.

1237
01:06:06.360 --> 01:06:09.559
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, and then just play through it. Just play through it.

1238
01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:12.519
<v Speaker 1>It works for everybody. Yeah, that takes us to our game.

1239
01:06:13.719 --> 01:06:15.840
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so we're gonna play a new one this time.

1240
01:06:15.880 --> 01:06:18.119
<v Speaker 3>It's not really that going to be that different, but

1241
01:06:18.199 --> 01:06:21.000
<v Speaker 3>we haven't done this format. It's name that too. So

1242
01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:22.960
<v Speaker 3>what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna give you both

1243
01:06:23.119 --> 01:06:27.440
<v Speaker 3>a category and then you have to take turns stating

1244
01:06:27.519 --> 01:06:31.239
<v Speaker 3>how many players or names you can fulfill for that

1245
01:06:31.280 --> 01:06:34.840
<v Speaker 3>category without getting any wrong. And we'll keep going until

1246
01:06:34.880 --> 01:06:37.480
<v Speaker 3>somebody is a coward and the other person will either

1247
01:06:37.880 --> 01:06:40.519
<v Speaker 3>either the coward will win because the other person screws up,

1248
01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:43.800
<v Speaker 3>or they will get points for it. All right, so

1249
01:06:44.239 --> 01:06:47.159
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna start. Jeff will make the first bet here

1250
01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:51.599
<v Speaker 3>we are one to see how many of the twenty

1251
01:06:51.639 --> 01:06:55.360
<v Speaker 3>twenty five Colorado Rocky pitchers you can anybody's through at

1252
01:06:55.440 --> 01:06:58.719
<v Speaker 3>least faced one bat one batter.

1253
01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:01.159
<v Speaker 2>Okay, does that include players? Not that I'm going to

1254
01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:01.719
<v Speaker 2>try to guess.

1255
01:07:01.719 --> 01:07:02.920
<v Speaker 3>But let me let me pull up the list and

1256
01:07:02.920 --> 01:07:06.079
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna say, no, yeah, we're not doing we're not

1257
01:07:06.079 --> 01:07:09.280
<v Speaker 3>doing players. So let me let me take on. Let

1258
01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:10.840
<v Speaker 3>me trim it down and then tell you how what

1259
01:07:10.920 --> 01:07:14.400
<v Speaker 3>your target is. Uh, all right, I've trimmed out four

1260
01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:17.000
<v Speaker 3>position players. I think those are the only four you

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01:07:17.079 --> 01:07:21.360
<v Speaker 3>have twenty nine, you know, twenty seven potential pitchers for

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01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:23.280
<v Speaker 3>the twenty twenty five Colorado Rockets.

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01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:25.519
<v Speaker 2>I will start conservatively and say eight.

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01:07:26.079 --> 01:07:28.880
<v Speaker 3>Okay, oh oh, it's bad, Craig, do you want to

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01:07:28.880 --> 01:07:29.400
<v Speaker 3>bid nine?

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01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:36.000
<v Speaker 1>I forgot about this game.

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01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:40.840
<v Speaker 3>This is a game that I like hosting and hate playing.

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01:07:42.880 --> 01:07:44.400
<v Speaker 3>Do not make this game? I want to say.

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01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:45.599
<v Speaker 1>Do I want to say nine?

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01:07:45.800 --> 01:07:46.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:51.119
<v Speaker 1>I honestly like again, my mind just vacates, do I? Yeah?

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01:07:51.159 --> 01:07:52.199
<v Speaker 1>I'll say nine? Sure?

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01:07:52.679 --> 01:07:54.159
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Jeff, you want to go ten?

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01:07:54.320 --> 01:07:55.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you can do ten.

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01:07:57.239 --> 01:08:01.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't like to you, Jeff, I don't like you.

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01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:05.159
<v Speaker 3>Uh sure, let's go eleven, okay, Jeff? Eight? Twelve?

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01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:11.480
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm? How many Rockies relievers can I name? It

1278
01:08:11.599 --> 01:08:12.920
<v Speaker 2>is the eternal question.

1279
01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:14.119
<v Speaker 3>How many of last years?

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01:08:14.280 --> 01:08:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Which screen is like? As as we were doing the

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01:08:16.840 --> 01:08:21.520
<v Speaker 1>bidding process, I I was like remembering additional Rockies relievers,

1282
01:08:21.520 --> 01:08:23.720
<v Speaker 1>and then I was like, I was like, oh, so yeah,

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01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:25.199
<v Speaker 1>I can do this, And I know as soon as

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01:08:25.239 --> 01:08:28.640
<v Speaker 1>I start, I'll get four pictures total and I'll be like,

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01:08:28.680 --> 01:08:29.199
<v Speaker 1>I got nothing.

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01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:33.039
<v Speaker 2>I am more confident. Craig can't do eleven than I

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01:08:33.039 --> 01:08:33.560
<v Speaker 2>can do twelve.

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01:08:33.600 --> 01:08:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Wow, I was not going to thirteen. Yeah.

1289
01:08:36.680 --> 01:08:38.760
<v Speaker 2>I didn't think you were so all right.

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01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:42.800
<v Speaker 3>So Greig name eleven twenty twenty five Colorado Rockies Pictures.

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01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:46.479
<v Speaker 1>Antonio sends Itela love that you go there first. Ye,

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01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:51.119
<v Speaker 1>well you have to you do Kyle Freeland two, Uh,

1293
01:08:52.479 --> 01:09:00.399
<v Speaker 1>Ryan Feldner three, Seth Halverson four, Jimmy herget.

1294
01:09:01.319 --> 01:09:06.359
<v Speaker 3>The best one of them all. Five, Zach Agnos six.

1295
01:09:07.199 --> 01:09:09.399
<v Speaker 1>Thank you? I believe on how shivvy e?

1296
01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:12.439
<v Speaker 3>Uh? There is seven?

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01:09:14.079 --> 01:09:16.359
<v Speaker 1>There should there should be more starters in this mix.

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01:09:16.479 --> 01:09:20.319
<v Speaker 1>I named I named you say that, but uh that's

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01:09:20.840 --> 01:09:23.479
<v Speaker 1>now I'm remembering twenty twenty six Rockies. So how many

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01:09:23.479 --> 01:09:25.640
<v Speaker 1>of it? I got six? So I got past four seven,

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01:09:25.760 --> 01:09:34.239
<v Speaker 1>So far I'm a seven. There there were additional who

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01:09:37.279 --> 01:09:42.479
<v Speaker 1>Why can't I remember Lambert was? Lambert up? I'm already reaching.

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01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:48.680
<v Speaker 3>No, Lambert was. It's the point that's fine.

1304
01:09:49.720 --> 01:09:52.399
<v Speaker 1>I like the problem is, I know, I like, I know,

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01:09:52.680 --> 01:09:53.359
<v Speaker 1>I know so many.

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01:09:53.479 --> 01:09:56.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm gonna name them Mafia get man. Yeah. Uh,

1307
01:09:56.319 --> 01:09:57.560
<v Speaker 3>Carmon Marquess.

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01:09:58.159 --> 01:10:00.199
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I thought about Marquees, but I couldn't remem Rember

1309
01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:02.359
<v Speaker 1>if he was injured. All year stars should have just

1310
01:10:02.399 --> 01:10:02.680
<v Speaker 1>said it.

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01:10:04.640 --> 01:10:09.399
<v Speaker 3>Chase Dollander, Tanner, Gordon's, Bradley Blaylock, are your forgettable starters

1312
01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:14.359
<v Speaker 3>as far as uh, Victor Vodnick the.

1313
01:10:14.600 --> 01:10:20.359
<v Speaker 1>God next, that's it came and went, and that.

1314
01:10:19.439 --> 01:10:24.119
<v Speaker 3>Brave Star middle reliever Tyler Kelly Kenley. I got Jake Bird,

1315
01:10:24.119 --> 01:10:26.720
<v Speaker 3>you got Austin gomber So Bird.

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01:10:26.760 --> 01:10:28.760
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't sure if I traded the deadline.

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01:10:28.880 --> 01:10:30.640
<v Speaker 1>I knew he was traded, but I didn't remember which,

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01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:32.239
<v Speaker 1>if it was that deadline or.

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01:10:32.239 --> 01:10:36.840
<v Speaker 3>The one before. Uh, you wanted to dig deep Rocky's relievers.

1320
01:10:37.399 --> 01:10:40.319
<v Speaker 3>If you wanted to dig deep, there's Nick Anderson and

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01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:46.520
<v Speaker 3>Ramsey Contreres. Oh yeah, so second one, Uh, this one,

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01:10:46.520 --> 01:10:49.079
<v Speaker 3>Craig gets to go first. It is. There have been

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01:10:49.239 --> 01:10:53.119
<v Speaker 3>thirty nine first overall draft picks since nineteen eighty seven,

1324
01:10:53.159 --> 01:10:57.800
<v Speaker 3>which is when modern baseball began. How many first overall

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01:10:57.880 --> 01:10:59.399
<v Speaker 3>picks do you think you could.

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01:10:59.239 --> 01:11:04.760
<v Speaker 1>Mean I'm gonna decimated. I'm going to get.

1327
01:11:04.840 --> 01:11:07.279
<v Speaker 2>You act like I pay attention to the draft, but

1328
01:11:07.439 --> 01:11:11.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, you knows, you know first overall picks.

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01:11:11.840 --> 01:11:14.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'm gonna say like seven.

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01:11:14.319 --> 01:11:15.560
<v Speaker 2>Seven, eight.

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01:11:20.079 --> 01:11:20.399
<v Speaker 1>Nine.

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01:11:20.800 --> 01:11:23.199
<v Speaker 2>It would be more funny to make Craig do it, but.

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01:11:24.079 --> 01:11:28.600
<v Speaker 3>I know would Craig's got to decide what the point

1334
01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:30.439
<v Speaker 3>of how much is it worth not to have the

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01:11:30.520 --> 01:11:31.159
<v Speaker 3>name names?

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01:11:31.359 --> 01:11:36.159
<v Speaker 1>Ten, ten, eleven.

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01:11:38.720 --> 01:11:40.680
<v Speaker 2>This is almost funny enough to make Craig do it? Now,

1338
01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:43.000
<v Speaker 2>I gotta I do actually have to think now for

1339
01:11:43.039 --> 01:11:44.640
<v Speaker 2>a second. I should be able to do.

1340
01:11:48.640 --> 01:11:51.399
<v Speaker 1>And I can, like look at standings, just look at teams, right,

1341
01:11:51.399 --> 01:11:57.680
<v Speaker 1>it helps my Sure, twelve twelve, I think you can

1342
01:11:57.720 --> 01:11:58.359
<v Speaker 1>do twelve?

1343
01:11:59.680 --> 01:12:01.840
<v Speaker 3>Like, do you think you can do the thirteen? Because

1344
01:12:01.840 --> 01:12:03.640
<v Speaker 3>you can at least hope he screws up.

1345
01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:10.840
<v Speaker 5>No, he's not, He's not gonna screw Yeah, I think

1346
01:12:10.960 --> 01:12:17.560
<v Speaker 5>I do.

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01:12:19.359 --> 01:12:22.199
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Sure, Just go do twelve and I'm

1348
01:12:22.199 --> 01:12:22.840
<v Speaker 1>gonna lose all.

1349
01:12:23.199 --> 01:12:30.600
<v Speaker 2>All right, fine, Casey mies yep, Spencer tarkleson.

1350
01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:32.720
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, wait a minute, you're gonna go. You start

1351
01:12:32.760 --> 01:12:34.680
<v Speaker 1>at Antonio sends a tella for me and you used

1352
01:12:34.720 --> 01:12:36.000
<v Speaker 1>to start with Casey.

1353
01:12:38.479 --> 01:12:39.359
<v Speaker 3>Spencer Tarkleson.

1354
01:12:39.399 --> 01:12:41.960
<v Speaker 2>That's two, Jackson Holliday, Where did you think I was

1355
01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:42.520
<v Speaker 2>gonna start?

1356
01:12:43.600 --> 01:12:46.760
<v Speaker 1>Where did I think you were gonna start? Yeah? We

1357
01:12:46.840 --> 01:12:48.520
<v Speaker 1>literally named one earlier on the.

1358
01:12:48.479 --> 01:12:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Show, Adley Richman, Hi, Rushmand, that's four? Sure we did.

1359
01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:56.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't necessarily don't think I remember anything from like

1360
01:12:56.319 --> 01:13:00.920
<v Speaker 2>the beginning of the show. Craig okay, the two Tigers

1361
01:13:00.920 --> 01:13:06.960
<v Speaker 2>and two Oriels. So Paul Skeens, yep? Can I say

1362
01:13:06.960 --> 01:13:07.800
<v Speaker 2>Markopell twice?

1363
01:13:08.680 --> 01:13:09.239
<v Speaker 3>No?

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01:13:10.239 --> 01:13:11.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah?

1365
01:13:12.079 --> 01:13:14.359
<v Speaker 3>And he wasn't he wasn't a first round first twice

1366
01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:15.640
<v Speaker 3>or first overall twice?

1367
01:13:16.760 --> 01:13:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Uh?

1368
01:13:18.399 --> 01:13:21.800
<v Speaker 2>Brady Aiken? Okay, what's that? Seven?

1369
01:13:22.680 --> 01:13:23.279
<v Speaker 3>That is seven?

1370
01:13:23.840 --> 01:13:35.239
<v Speaker 2>I need five more? Okay, Carlos Korea see in nineteen

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01:13:35.279 --> 01:13:37.279
<v Speaker 2>eighty seven? Pardon? Do I want to go back? As

1372
01:13:37.279 --> 01:13:41.560
<v Speaker 2>the problem like trying to remember who was like Chipper

1373
01:13:41.600 --> 01:13:42.680
<v Speaker 2>Jones was first overall?

1374
01:13:42.760 --> 01:13:43.880
<v Speaker 3>Wasn't he was?

1375
01:13:44.119 --> 01:13:48.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like the famous older one I remember, Uh

1376
01:13:51.039 --> 01:13:57.479
<v Speaker 2>Todd Van Poppold Van was not well. I got I

1377
01:13:57.479 --> 01:13:59.279
<v Speaker 2>got too clever there apparently.

1378
01:13:58.920 --> 01:13:59.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah you should.

1379
01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:01.760
<v Speaker 1>I thought Harper and Strasburg.

1380
01:14:01.960 --> 01:14:03.640
<v Speaker 2>Getting there, But I was like trying to get to

1381
01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:05.119
<v Speaker 2>where those will be my last two.

1382
01:14:05.520 --> 01:14:09.439
<v Speaker 3>Harper and Strasburg was Bazana was the one. Craig was

1383
01:14:09.479 --> 01:14:13.079
<v Speaker 3>mentioning Eli Willits is of course this last year, and

1384
01:14:13.239 --> 01:14:17.399
<v Speaker 3>Henry Davis, Royce Lewis, Mickey Moniac, Dansby Swanson. Then your

1385
01:14:17.439 --> 01:14:20.840
<v Speaker 3>big names before that, Garrett Cole, David Price, Justin Upton,

1386
01:14:21.960 --> 01:14:24.640
<v Speaker 3>Joe Mauer, Adrian Gonzalez. I always forget he was the

1387
01:14:24.680 --> 01:14:29.760
<v Speaker 3>first overall pick. Yeah, txas Josh Hamilton, pat the bat.

1388
01:14:30.319 --> 01:14:36.840
<v Speaker 3>Then some real choices, uh and Arod Brian Taylor is on.

1389
01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:39.399
<v Speaker 2>Brian Taylor instead of Todd Van Popple. I was sure

1390
01:14:39.439 --> 01:14:41.840
<v Speaker 2>about Brian Taylor. Then I was about Todd Van Pople.

1391
01:14:41.760 --> 01:14:44.800
<v Speaker 3>Big Ben McDonald, Andy Bellis and Kengar Vi Jr.

1392
01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:50.039
<v Speaker 1>But Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh Wash.

1393
01:14:49.960 --> 01:14:54.079
<v Speaker 3>Was the athletics, and I think he went like, didn't

1394
01:14:54.079 --> 01:14:56.159
<v Speaker 3>the pirates have who's.

1395
01:14:55.960 --> 01:14:59.079
<v Speaker 2>The there is bullying?

1396
01:14:59.399 --> 01:15:02.720
<v Speaker 3>Second? One thing second Van Papa was fourteenth overall. I

1397
01:15:02.760 --> 01:15:04.560
<v Speaker 3>think has signability issues.

1398
01:15:04.600 --> 01:15:05.520
<v Speaker 2>That might be why. I don't know.

1399
01:15:05.520 --> 01:15:07.439
<v Speaker 3>It was a high school pitcher and had committed.

1400
01:15:07.600 --> 01:15:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah someone I got too clever there instead of just

1401
01:15:10.359 --> 01:15:11.720
<v Speaker 2>playing out the two thousand times one.

1402
01:15:12.439 --> 01:15:14.840
<v Speaker 3>All right, So category three, Jeff will go first on

1403
01:15:14.880 --> 01:15:17.520
<v Speaker 3>this Wellington was Bullington wasn't one pick?

1404
01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

1405
01:15:17.800 --> 01:15:20.000
<v Speaker 2>It was okay, yep, two.

1406
01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:20.880
<v Speaker 3>Thousand and two negative.

1407
01:15:21.520 --> 01:15:23.159
<v Speaker 1>I want to be clear. I would not have thought

1408
01:15:23.199 --> 01:15:25.520
<v Speaker 1>of him, all right.

1409
01:15:26.199 --> 01:15:34.600
<v Speaker 3>Next one, there are seventy six current umpires in baseball.

1410
01:15:34.760 --> 01:15:39.199
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, god absolutely, are you kidding me?

1411
01:15:40.560 --> 01:15:42.279
<v Speaker 3>The number Candy one? If you want it to be

1412
01:15:42.520 --> 01:15:44.920
<v Speaker 3>it doesn't matter, or does it?

1413
01:15:44.960 --> 01:15:48.119
<v Speaker 1>Does it include the ones who are reportedly accepting a buyout.

1414
01:15:47.800 --> 01:15:50.159
<v Speaker 2>They're still they're still empires.

1415
01:15:51.279 --> 01:15:53.439
<v Speaker 3>I was trying trying to determine yes, because that's like

1416
01:15:53.479 --> 01:15:54.319
<v Speaker 3>all the ones you can make.

1417
01:15:54.399 --> 01:15:57.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying four, right, Craig, can you do five umpires?

1418
01:15:58.039 --> 01:15:59.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm gonna say five.

1419
01:16:00.880 --> 01:16:02.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't even want to do six. I probably could

1420
01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:07.960
<v Speaker 2>if I thought about it. I'll do six, fine, okay, six, great,

1421
01:16:10.119 --> 01:16:14.560
<v Speaker 2>I love this game. Let me do it and we'll

1422
01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:22.119
<v Speaker 2>move on. C. B. Buckner, last, Dias Seer Wendel stat three,

1423
01:16:22.720 --> 01:16:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Carlos Torres.

1424
01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:27.039
<v Speaker 3>Yes, four.

1425
01:16:27.520 --> 01:16:28.800
<v Speaker 2>I just remember because he's the same name as the

1426
01:16:28.840 --> 01:16:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Matt's picture. Jim Joyce still an umpire.

1427
01:16:38.079 --> 01:16:38.600
<v Speaker 3>No he's not.

1428
01:16:40.359 --> 01:16:45.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't She's not officially a full time umpires.

1429
01:16:47.640 --> 01:16:50.760
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know what Okay, okay, it was full time.

1430
01:16:51.640 --> 01:16:56.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so ron Kopa. Let's see. As far as famous ones,

1431
01:16:56.319 --> 01:16:58.159
<v Speaker 3>the Tony Rendazo, I feel like.

1432
01:16:59.880 --> 01:17:05.399
<v Speaker 1>He was the expert on hand. Yes, oh yeah, you

1433
01:17:05.520 --> 01:17:08.760
<v Speaker 1>didn't remember who that was Italian last name, but he

1434
01:17:08.840 --> 01:17:09.520
<v Speaker 1>might have retired.

1435
01:17:10.960 --> 01:17:14.720
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, ron Kolpa is one. I always recognized Lance Barksdale.

1436
01:17:14.880 --> 01:17:16.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh, actould have gotten Lance Barksdale.

1437
01:17:16.439 --> 01:17:19.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and there are some of the really good young ones,

1438
01:17:19.439 --> 01:17:23.960
<v Speaker 1>but I don't follow there anymore, so I don't remember

1439
01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:24.640
<v Speaker 1>their names.

1440
01:17:24.840 --> 01:17:30.479
<v Speaker 3>Dan Bellino, I feel like I've heard sometimes and that

1441
01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:31.119
<v Speaker 3>might be it.

1442
01:17:32.199 --> 01:17:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, as first, Yeah, I know the thing is like

1443
01:17:34.600 --> 01:17:37.239
<v Speaker 1>the good good young ones are pretty anonymous.

1444
01:17:37.560 --> 01:17:41.479
<v Speaker 3>Second forth in a good way. Yep, all right, Craig's

1445
01:17:41.520 --> 01:17:43.960
<v Speaker 3>up two point to one. We will probably just do

1446
01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:47.000
<v Speaker 3>two more of these. We want to do seven. Next

1447
01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:51.000
<v Speaker 3>one is the one that Craig was supposed to have

1448
01:17:51.000 --> 01:17:55.000
<v Speaker 3>the advantage on contributors to the twenty fifteen VP Annual.

1449
01:17:56.600 --> 01:18:00.000
<v Speaker 3>Twenty fifteen. Yeah, I'm going to get an advantage on that. Well, sure,

1450
01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:01.279
<v Speaker 3>you know, listen to these people.

1451
01:18:03.640 --> 01:18:04.760
<v Speaker 1>More than Jeff Dogs.

1452
01:18:05.479 --> 01:18:07.600
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't on the twenty fifteen annual. I got hired

1453
01:18:07.600 --> 01:18:08.840
<v Speaker 2>in September twenty fifteen.

1454
01:18:10.680 --> 01:18:12.159
<v Speaker 1>But the you have it.

1455
01:18:13.279 --> 01:18:15.680
<v Speaker 3>There are twenty four credited.

1456
01:18:15.319 --> 01:18:17.720
<v Speaker 2>People sixteen on when there are twenty four.

1457
01:18:17.680 --> 01:18:20.439
<v Speaker 3>Credited people in the twenty fifteen BPO. This is the

1458
01:18:20.520 --> 01:18:21.119
<v Speaker 3>slim green.

1459
01:18:21.479 --> 01:18:24.000
<v Speaker 1>There are some there are some big big names here

1460
01:18:24.039 --> 01:18:26.520
<v Speaker 1>that you didn't mention on that on the oh for

1461
01:18:26.600 --> 01:18:32.359
<v Speaker 1>the for the Empires Dings, Oh suregatds and Mike Estabrook.

1462
01:18:35.840 --> 01:18:38.560
<v Speaker 1>Come on, all right, Craig, he Helenia, No, Nora, I'm

1463
01:18:38.560 --> 01:18:39.359
<v Speaker 1>remembering some guys.

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01:18:39.399 --> 01:18:41.399
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Craig, how many?

1465
01:18:41.720 --> 01:18:42.439
<v Speaker 1>How many people?

1466
01:18:42.479 --> 01:18:45.520
<v Speaker 3>How many contributors? How many credited contributors to the twenty

1467
01:18:45.520 --> 01:18:46.279
<v Speaker 3>fifteen annual?

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01:18:47.359 --> 01:18:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Uh?

1469
01:18:48.039 --> 01:18:48.600
<v Speaker 3>Can you can?

1470
01:18:48.640 --> 01:18:49.439
<v Speaker 1>I look at it?

1471
01:18:50.880 --> 01:18:51.159
<v Speaker 2>You people?

1472
01:18:51.159 --> 01:18:51.479
<v Speaker 3>Look at me?

1473
01:18:51.920 --> 01:18:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Have it over there?

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01:18:53.079 --> 01:18:54.680
<v Speaker 3>You can look at this? Fine?

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01:18:55.439 --> 01:18:58.039
<v Speaker 1>Uh? How many Jesus?

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01:18:59.560 --> 01:19:02.159
<v Speaker 3>This is the This is the annual that I feel

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<v Speaker 3>is the best one.

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01:19:03.000 --> 01:19:06.000
<v Speaker 1>And is also the papers shitty, right, No, it was.

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01:19:06.039 --> 01:19:08.359
<v Speaker 3>The font was smaller and so it got the worst reviews.

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01:19:08.399 --> 01:19:10.119
<v Speaker 1>But I think it's thin. I think the pages are

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<v Speaker 1>thin too. I'm gonna I'm a huge coward.

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01:19:16.359 --> 01:19:19.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say like five, five, I think I can

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01:19:19.119 --> 01:19:19.560
<v Speaker 2>do six.

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01:19:23.520 --> 01:19:24.720
<v Speaker 1>I'll go seven.

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01:19:25.399 --> 01:19:27.159
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say if Craig started with seven, I

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01:19:27.199 --> 01:19:28.479
<v Speaker 2>was gonna make him do it. So I will make

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<v Speaker 2>Craig do seven.

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01:19:29.359 --> 01:19:30.880
<v Speaker 3>Alright, seven names?

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01:19:32.319 --> 01:19:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Do the editors count? No? Yes or no?

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01:19:38.680 --> 01:19:42.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna say yes. I'm gonna say a chance an

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01:19:42.319 --> 01:19:45.239
<v Speaker 3>editor myself. I've written lots of stuff for the book.

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01:19:45.960 --> 01:19:47.920
<v Speaker 1>I the problem with that. I want to offer Jeff

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01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:50.239
<v Speaker 1>the ability to adjust if you want to.

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01:19:50.640 --> 01:19:52.199
<v Speaker 3>So, Jeff, do you want to add to your number?

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01:19:52.279 --> 01:19:53.680
<v Speaker 3>Now that I'm saying the editors caun't.

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01:19:54.000 --> 01:19:56.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't actually remember who the editors are, but Craig

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01:19:56.199 --> 01:19:58.039
<v Speaker 2>probably does. So I have to go eight. I think.

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01:19:59.439 --> 01:20:02.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure I do. I'll make you do it.

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01:20:02.840 --> 01:20:04.479
<v Speaker 1>I think you can do it like you can.

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01:20:04.760 --> 01:20:05.199
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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01:20:06.199 --> 01:20:09.159
<v Speaker 1>No, it was a real offer. He doesn't have to

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01:20:09.319 --> 01:20:13.239
<v Speaker 1>but me do it. He wrote changes the game. If

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01:20:13.279 --> 01:20:15.800
<v Speaker 1>you say, here's two people, I think he'll know. Yeah.

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01:20:15.840 --> 01:20:18.760
<v Speaker 3>No, no, just very hard. I'm complimenting you, Craig.

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01:20:18.800 --> 01:20:21.319
<v Speaker 1>That was slow. I thought you were well. I'm not

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01:20:21.319 --> 01:20:22.399
<v Speaker 1>trying to be duplicitous.

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01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:25.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all right, Jeff named eight contributors.

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01:20:25.640 --> 01:20:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't know if I can do nine.

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01:20:27.359 --> 01:20:32.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Sam Miller, okay, that's one. Russell Carlton I think

1510
01:20:32.399 --> 01:20:33.560
<v Speaker 2>he was still there while I was.

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01:20:35.840 --> 01:20:37.479
<v Speaker 1>You just have to know whether he was up with

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01:20:37.520 --> 01:20:38.159
<v Speaker 1>a team or not.

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01:20:38.239 --> 01:20:39.920
<v Speaker 2>I think he was on the fifteen because he was

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01:20:39.960 --> 01:20:40.760
<v Speaker 2>there when I was hired.

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01:20:41.079 --> 01:20:42.239
<v Speaker 3>He is not credited.

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01:20:42.680 --> 01:20:51.680
<v Speaker 6>Christ Okay, can I well, okay, we we got a

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01:20:51.720 --> 01:20:54.800
<v Speaker 6>probably there's an error in this.

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01:20:55.199 --> 01:20:57.479
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, so all right, this is this is an issue

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01:20:58.239 --> 01:21:02.560
<v Speaker 7>we The front page of the book was not No,

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01:21:02.720 --> 01:21:03.279
<v Speaker 7>it is.

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01:21:03.920 --> 01:21:05.439
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't list all the authors.

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01:21:07.039 --> 01:21:11.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's only like comment writers. I don't know.

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01:21:13.319 --> 01:21:16.479
<v Speaker 7>I because they're like, my name's on the front of

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01:21:16.520 --> 01:21:19.640
<v Speaker 7>the book. I wrote one essay and wrote one team

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01:21:19.640 --> 01:21:24.600
<v Speaker 7>comment for this book. The first, the the the uh.

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01:21:25.159 --> 01:21:28.720
<v Speaker 7>Tim Marschman wrote an essay.

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01:21:28.800 --> 01:21:30.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't even I don't even have the twenty fifteen.

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01:21:30.840 --> 01:21:31.840
<v Speaker 1>I have the Futures Guide.

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01:21:32.479 --> 01:21:36.000
<v Speaker 7>I don't go get a copy. Tim Marchman's got an

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01:21:36.079 --> 01:21:38.039
<v Speaker 7>essay in here and is not on the cover. I

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01:21:38.039 --> 01:21:42.680
<v Speaker 7>think they only put actual DP employees on the on

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01:21:42.720 --> 01:21:44.680
<v Speaker 7>the title page, and I don't have a way of

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01:21:44.720 --> 01:21:45.359
<v Speaker 7>going through.

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01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:47.640
<v Speaker 3>Every single essay to see who actually is. So we're

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01:21:47.680 --> 01:21:51.800
<v Speaker 3>gonna writ after all this fourteen, after all of that,

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01:21:51.840 --> 01:21:53.600
<v Speaker 3>we're not going to do this categor I'm gonna skip it.

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01:21:53.600 --> 01:21:55.840
<v Speaker 3>So sorry, you guys, get to pass, because I'm not

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01:21:55.800 --> 01:21:57.640
<v Speaker 3>going to bother looking through the book to think.

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01:21:57.720 --> 01:21:58.880
<v Speaker 1>So that was Samon Woj.

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01:21:59.159 --> 01:21:59.920
<v Speaker 3>That was Samon Woj.

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01:22:00.560 --> 01:22:04.239
<v Speaker 1>I absolutely would have said David Roth. Just assume he's

1542
01:22:04.279 --> 01:22:06.520
<v Speaker 1>been doing it. I don't know.

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01:22:07.359 --> 01:22:10.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so sorry, all right, we're gonna go. This means

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01:22:10.039 --> 01:22:13.520
<v Speaker 3>that Craig, you get to bid again. This time it

1545
01:22:13.600 --> 01:22:19.479
<v Speaker 3>is going to be for net positive framers current twenty six.

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01:22:19.560 --> 01:22:23.319
<v Speaker 3>There are twenty nineteen nineteen catchers that are above average

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01:22:23.359 --> 01:22:26.680
<v Speaker 3>at framing. I have above average framing runs this year.

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01:22:29.560 --> 01:22:31.880
<v Speaker 1>There's no minimum, there's no minimum.

1549
01:22:32.399 --> 01:22:34.239
<v Speaker 3>Just have to have more than Actually it might be

1550
01:22:34.279 --> 01:22:39.119
<v Speaker 3>a minimum. I'm gonna say it's five thousand plus pitches.

1551
01:22:39.600 --> 01:22:40.640
<v Speaker 3>So they have to be a start off.

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01:22:40.960 --> 01:22:43.760
<v Speaker 2>They have to well that'd be a starter, but you

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01:22:43.800 --> 01:22:44.359
<v Speaker 2>probably have to.

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01:22:44.560 --> 01:22:48.239
<v Speaker 3>We have to at least half time basic it plus pitches.

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01:22:49.880 --> 01:22:56.560
<v Speaker 3>So it's whatever the it's whatever the default filtering was.

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01:22:58.000 --> 01:22:59.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the filter is. I don't know

1557
01:22:59.640 --> 01:23:04.279
<v Speaker 1>like what that means for some very obviously good ramers

1558
01:23:04.279 --> 01:23:07.520
<v Speaker 1>who are like half time. I don't know if half

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01:23:07.760 --> 01:23:14.000
<v Speaker 1>is five thousand or not. I don't know.

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01:23:14.079 --> 01:23:18.520
<v Speaker 3>Three hundred plus innings. It's the filter. So it's literally yeah,

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01:23:18.520 --> 01:23:21.560
<v Speaker 3>so it's literally if they half half the games.

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01:23:21.880 --> 01:23:28.359
<v Speaker 1>All Right, I'm gonna say you said there's twenty nineteen.

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01:23:28.399 --> 01:23:30.479
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say, like again, I'm gonna make a coward.

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01:23:30.479 --> 01:23:31.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say.

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01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Six, I can do seven.

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01:23:42.760 --> 01:23:43.439
<v Speaker 1>Let's say.

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01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:45.560
<v Speaker 2>Do eight.

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01:23:45.640 --> 01:23:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Craig, Yeah right, I had I feel that was a bad,

1569
01:23:48.119 --> 01:23:54.359
<v Speaker 1>poor strategy. All right, you know what, let's Jesus Christ.

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01:23:55.279 --> 01:24:04.199
<v Speaker 1>Let's let's just say I'm gonna I'm gonna start off

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01:24:04.239 --> 01:24:07.479
<v Speaker 1>with a weird one. Why not mh Brandan Valens whale.

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01:24:08.159 --> 01:24:10.199
<v Speaker 3>Well, he's second overall, it's not that weird, so that's.

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01:24:10.279 --> 01:24:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's not that, but he's not like who you

1574
01:24:12.479 --> 01:24:21.680
<v Speaker 1>He's not like a notable catcher, so like Dylan Dingler.

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01:24:22.880 --> 01:24:24.079
<v Speaker 3>Number one. So that's two.

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01:24:24.520 --> 01:24:27.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well that I felt. I felt good about Dylan.

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01:24:28.079 --> 01:24:35.560
<v Speaker 1>M hm hmm. I'm gonna i I honestly, you have

1578
01:24:35.640 --> 01:24:37.119
<v Speaker 1>not checked in on this. I don't know how he's doing.

1579
01:24:37.159 --> 01:24:38.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say cal.

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01:24:38.039 --> 01:24:41.800
<v Speaker 3>Raleigh, yes, three, Okay, that's three.

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01:24:42.600 --> 01:24:51.880
<v Speaker 1>That is three. How about mm hmm, that's dicey mm hmm.

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01:24:53.199 --> 01:24:57.359
<v Speaker 1>How about William Contrares?

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01:25:00.800 --> 01:25:04.680
<v Speaker 2>Uh no, shit, no, you didn't do Patrick Bailey.

1584
01:25:05.159 --> 01:25:06.760
<v Speaker 1>Bailey worried about time.

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01:25:06.960 --> 01:25:10.720
<v Speaker 3>Bailey is nineteenth. Actually even though he's he's plenty over

1586
01:25:10.800 --> 01:25:13.800
<v Speaker 3>the threshold, but he is a point. He is at

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01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:16.880
<v Speaker 3>point two framing runs get.

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01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:19.079
<v Speaker 1>To Patrick Bailey. But like, I was worried about play

1589
01:25:19.159 --> 01:25:21.399
<v Speaker 1>in time. I was trying to go on on starter.

1590
01:25:21.680 --> 01:25:22.960
<v Speaker 3>Number three is Louise Torrance.

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01:25:23.159 --> 01:25:24.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was.

1592
01:25:24.239 --> 01:25:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Gonna, I was gonna say Louis Torrence. I really was.

1593
01:25:26.760 --> 01:25:30.520
<v Speaker 3>Number four, weirdly is Victor Carrottini three point four.

1594
01:25:31.039 --> 01:25:31.960
<v Speaker 1>We love Victor.

1595
01:25:32.000 --> 01:25:35.520
<v Speaker 3>Austin Wells, Adley Richman Francisco operas Hunter Fiduccia.

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01:25:35.880 --> 01:25:39.239
<v Speaker 1>So again, Adley was I was worried about playtime. He's

1597
01:25:39.239 --> 01:25:41.680
<v Speaker 1>been hurt twice. I think this season already, So like.

1598
01:25:41.760 --> 01:25:44.319
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't that long.

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01:25:44.399 --> 01:25:47.840
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, all right, all right, last one, bad performance.

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01:25:48.680 --> 01:25:51.119
<v Speaker 2>Just don't be the person who got yeah family.

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01:25:51.840 --> 01:25:55.199
<v Speaker 3>Last one. There have been eighteen position players for the

1602
01:25:55.239 --> 01:26:00.760
<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty six Miami Marlins. Jeff, how many of them?

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01:26:00.800 --> 01:26:00.960
<v Speaker 3>Can you?

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01:26:01.079 --> 01:26:01.239
<v Speaker 1>Nick?

1605
01:26:03.760 --> 01:26:06.079
<v Speaker 3>This includes people who are not on the active roster.

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01:26:06.159 --> 01:26:14.760
<v Speaker 3>But we've played for the Marlins this year nineteen nineteen Marlins.

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01:26:16.640 --> 01:26:17.680
<v Speaker 2>Craig very confident.

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01:26:18.239 --> 01:26:23.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I think so nine ten.

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01:26:23.920 --> 01:26:46.640
<v Speaker 2>Craig's and I gotta think, can I actually ten he

1610
01:26:46.800 --> 01:26:49.600
<v Speaker 2>just said, all right, I'll do eleven, all.

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01:26:49.560 --> 01:26:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Right, name eleven? All right, all right, it's not I

1612
01:26:53.159 --> 01:26:54.319
<v Speaker 1>think I could maybe do a lot.

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01:26:54.960 --> 01:26:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like I was thinking I had to start

1614
01:26:56.960 --> 01:26:59.840
<v Speaker 2>counting like in my head, and I got close enough

1615
01:26:59.880 --> 01:27:01.319
<v Speaker 2>that I think I can get there if I think, all.

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01:27:01.319 --> 01:27:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Right, it wouldn't shock me if you can do it.

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01:27:04.359 --> 01:27:11.479
<v Speaker 2>Liam Hicks one, Augustin Ramirez two, Joe Mack three, Uh,

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01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:12.720
<v Speaker 2>Jacob Marcy.

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01:27:14.920 --> 01:27:17.960
<v Speaker 3>Or yeah, I know, I'm trying to find where he is,

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01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:18.760
<v Speaker 3>okay four.

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01:27:18.760 --> 01:27:25.800
<v Speaker 2>Otto Lopez five, Xavier Edwards six, Javier Sonoha seven, Kyle

1622
01:27:25.880 --> 01:27:27.520
<v Speaker 2>Stowers eight.

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01:27:28.000 --> 01:27:29.600
<v Speaker 1>I like that you skipped first base because I.

1624
01:27:29.640 --> 01:27:32.199
<v Speaker 2>Also, yeah, I know they have a first baseman. But

1625
01:27:33.520 --> 01:27:38.560
<v Speaker 2>all right, now it gets like the problem is like

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01:27:38.600 --> 01:27:43.399
<v Speaker 2>one of them that I had in my head. Oh uh,

1627
01:27:44.319 --> 01:27:48.199
<v Speaker 2>Connor Norby nine, I need what two more?

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01:27:48.479 --> 01:27:48.920
<v Speaker 3>Two more?

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01:27:51.960 --> 01:27:56.680
<v Speaker 2>It's all tricky. Did I say? I didn't say?

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01:27:56.760 --> 01:27:56.880
<v Speaker 5>Uh?

1631
01:27:56.920 --> 01:27:59.000
<v Speaker 2>When Casey that's ten, that's.

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01:27:58.840 --> 01:28:03.199
<v Speaker 3>Ten, one more for the with it's the This is.

1633
01:28:03.159 --> 01:28:08.359
<v Speaker 2>So annoying because it's the other guy they traded with, Marseille,

1634
01:28:08.800 --> 01:28:13.119
<v Speaker 2>and I cannot like his name, just like has completely

1635
01:28:13.239 --> 01:28:13.760
<v Speaker 2>escaped me.

1636
01:28:15.520 --> 01:28:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, they.

1637
01:28:17.359 --> 01:28:19.000
<v Speaker 3>Don't hint, no, it's not.

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01:28:19.199 --> 01:28:21.359
<v Speaker 2>It's maybe it wasn't with Marcia, it wasn't the same.

1639
01:28:30.159 --> 01:28:33.680
<v Speaker 2>Still missing an outfielder too, Oh no, because I got

1640
01:28:33.640 --> 01:28:36.600
<v Speaker 2>stars in the two. Yeah, I mean I've seen a

1641
01:28:36.600 --> 01:28:38.880
<v Speaker 2>lot of Marlin's games. They played the Mets affair bed

1642
01:28:39.000 --> 01:28:49.600
<v Speaker 2>I like not and the catchers. What's the other guy?

1643
01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:54.359
<v Speaker 2>It's not Marci, it's the it's the third basement. That's

1644
01:28:54.399 --> 01:28:59.319
<v Speaker 2>not really a third baseman. Oh yeah, and his name like.

1645
01:28:59.239 --> 01:29:01.159
<v Speaker 1>That is one of the as I'm thinking of. I

1646
01:29:01.199 --> 01:29:02.159
<v Speaker 1>forgot he was part of that.

1647
01:29:02.560 --> 01:29:05.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was, And like I just like, for whatever reason,

1648
01:29:05.279 --> 01:29:07.760
<v Speaker 2>his name is just I'll just I'll just tap out

1649
01:29:07.800 --> 01:29:08.600
<v Speaker 2>because I gotta go.

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01:29:08.840 --> 01:29:10.720
<v Speaker 1>He went to Does that help you?

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01:29:10.720 --> 01:29:11.000
<v Speaker 2>No?

1652
01:29:11.760 --> 01:29:12.039
<v Speaker 1>Graham?

1653
01:29:12.119 --> 01:29:15.520
<v Speaker 2>Right, Graham, I think the most, Like it's very duke name.

1654
01:29:15.560 --> 01:29:24.199
<v Speaker 3>I suppose boy Hernandez uh congratulations, Craig on your on.

1655
01:29:24.840 --> 01:29:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Pally in the least.

1656
01:29:27.720 --> 01:29:30.319
<v Speaker 3>Uh Leo him and his estuary Ruiz.

1657
01:29:32.600 --> 01:29:35.199
<v Speaker 2>Brian never read he No, I mean yes, but.

1658
01:29:35.239 --> 01:29:39.720
<v Speaker 3>Now Davison del Santos and I forgot he was there.

1659
01:29:39.840 --> 01:29:46.399
<v Speaker 8>Austin Slater, who was their first basement Christopher Morrell, Yeah,

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01:29:48.560 --> 01:29:52.560
<v Speaker 8>dollar contract, Yeah, okay, all right, sure?

1661
01:29:52.640 --> 01:29:59.479
<v Speaker 1>Why not? Well a rousing a rousing victory. I'll take it.

1662
01:30:00.640 --> 01:30:02.720
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for the game, Patrick, I know you it

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01:30:02.800 --> 01:30:05.520
<v Speaker 1>was delightful for you to host. Thank you to our

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01:30:05.520 --> 01:30:07.840
<v Speaker 1>listeners for joining us on another episode of five and Dive,

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01:30:10.319 --> 01:30:11.640
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01:30:11.680 --> 01:30:14.399
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01:30:14.399 --> 01:30:17.119
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<v Speaker 1>waiting for the pod to be over, your time, Isn't

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