Speaker 1: One of us have to speak first, given that it's
Speaker 1: your podcast. I assumed that you would do that.
Speaker 2: Callum, what do you think?
Speaker 3: I'm not allowed to talk.
Speaker 2: So things have gone slightly arrived for this week's episode
Speaker 2: of Country Slide in that Richard Nigas is off on
Speaker 2: a fact finding mission about whether they could dump some
Speaker 2: extra sand out into the North Sea and reclaim Dogland
Speaker 2: to make it an extension of Suffolk out towards the
Speaker 2: Low Countries, and Callum is unavailable because he's what is
Speaker 2: he doing? I don't know, something to do with computers
Speaker 2: and AI probably, So instead we have we've got producer Amy,
Speaker 2: who we've allowed to speak for one special week. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we've purloined George from from Guns on Pegs and
Speaker 2: Scry Pound. So I'll let George speak because he's got
Speaker 2: such a wonderfully melodious voice.
Speaker 1: Melodious is it? Well, it's very nice to be back.
Speaker 1: It's a great honor to be asked again.
Speaker 2: Well, last time you were here, you were in a
Speaker 2: room which had a timer on the light switch, so
Speaker 2: every sort of seven and a half minutes you had
Speaker 2: to stand up and hit the switch to bring yourself
Speaker 2: back in.
Speaker 1: He's had to do sort of interpretive dance in the
Speaker 1: middle of the room to get the motion sensor to
Speaker 1: register that I was present. Today, I am in a
Speaker 1: completely different place, and hopefully all the lights will not
Speaker 1: go out. I'm interested in this doggerland thing. Though. How
Speaker 1: far out into the North Sea does Nigas propose we go?
Speaker 1: Is he's suggesting that we, you know, rejoined the continent.
Speaker 2: I think that'd be too far, even for Richard Nigus.
Speaker 2: I know he does quite like spending time in the
Speaker 2: South of Italy and things like that, but reattaching Suffolk
Speaker 2: fully to the continent might be too much for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it would be. I think that would
Speaker 3: be just a little step too far. But getting close
Speaker 3: enough that you could use something such as a trebishe
Speaker 3: he might be for that.
Speaker 1: I think he would. He'd be very happy about all
Speaker 1: the new flat land though, wouldn't he? Probably flat land?
Speaker 2: Think of the hedge and dike opportunities that that would
Speaker 2: offer in that new land.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a very good point. There'd be some very
Speaker 1: interesting archaeology.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, in all seriousness, it is something people
Speaker 2: have suggested. Because you go, you'd have to go that
Speaker 2: far off the coast of Suffolk, and the water is
Speaker 2: only a meter or two deep in places. You know
Speaker 2: that the old land this land bridge that used to
Speaker 2: connect the British Isles to Europe was was there, and
Speaker 2: it was it had rolling hills and valleys and all
Speaker 2: sorts of sort of herds of elk running around and
Speaker 2: hunter gatherers trying to hunt them.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's going to still need quite a lot of sand.
Speaker 1: I would imagine we do we need Bedfordshire. He's gonna
Speaker 1: dig out Bedfordshire.
Speaker 2: I think hollow out Bedfordshire and make dogg aland is
Speaker 2: probably the best option for everyone.
Speaker 1: Really seems fair.
Speaker 3: I can't see a problem.
Speaker 2: No, So we are recording this at the very very
Speaker 2: end of June, and it will be coming out at
Speaker 2: the very beginning of July. And for several reasons in
Speaker 2: our world, July is effectively either you started harvesting early
Speaker 2: month or it's game fair month.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll tell you what I reckon. Harvest. Certainly
Speaker 1: in this neck of the woods looks like it's going
Speaker 1: to be pretty early this year. I was out in
Speaker 1: Wiltshire over the weekend and the barley looks absolutely ready
Speaker 1: to rip. Now it's not actually ready. I chewed some
Speaker 1: and it's still pretty soft, but it's all ready to go.
Speaker 1: As far as color wise.
Speaker 2: Where was this scene where you were just standing in
Speaker 2: someone's field chewing barley? Or is this just did you
Speaker 2: stop for a week and a lay by?
Speaker 1: Well? I was. We were out on a sim day
Speaker 1: with the most noble order to gardis the guns on
Speaker 1: peg podcast listeners. So we were surrounded by the beautiful
Speaker 1: rolling chalk valleys of Wiltshire and lots of stunning scenery. Actually,
Speaker 1: and yeah, their barley all looked ready to go.
Speaker 3: Is the barley actually grown well this year it's gone
Speaker 3: tall enough and everything, or is it still a bit stunted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little bit short.
Speaker 3: It's a little bit short, very dry recently, I mean
Speaker 3: we've had we don't have crops around here in the
Speaker 3: same way that you guys do in Hampshire and East Country,
Speaker 3: but the silid cuts that they've been taking have been
Speaker 3: pretty short.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's not as short as last year when it
Speaker 1: was you know, sort of barely even knee high in places,
Speaker 1: which is a better than that. And actually, you know
Speaker 1: they look like decent thick crops. But you know, I
Speaker 1: only inspected one ear in great detail. So also, I'm
Speaker 1: not really an agronomist or a farmer in any meaningful sense,
Speaker 1: so I'm sort of starting to reach the outer limits
Speaker 1: of my knowledge.
Speaker 2: Now, is this going to be a service you offer
Speaker 2: to people? Sort of George Brown's metaphysical crop walks. You
Speaker 2: sort of go out and say whether it feels right.
Speaker 1: I do quite a lot of farming from car on
Speaker 1: long journeys. You know, look out the window and go, courk,
Speaker 1: cows look good, you know, as you whistle past at
Speaker 1: seventy five seventy miles an hour, it's the perfect speed
Speaker 1: at which to assess livestock.
Speaker 3: It's like vibe farming. Yeah, like just going right, Okay,
Speaker 3: it's it's a little bit soft weight. Two more days
Speaker 3: and that'll be hard enough, ready to go perfect.
Speaker 2: I usually drive by mountaineering from car where you would
Speaker 2: as driving or a valley on the way to somewhere else,
Speaker 2: look at all these ridges and go, yeah, I reckon
Speaker 2: that would go sort of Grade three scramble or maybe
Speaker 2: actually maybe it's a VID in that section, so you
Speaker 2: might be ropes on there, and.
Speaker 1: Then yeah, drive by farming sounds a bit different, though.
Speaker 1: Drive by farming sounds like, you know, you surreptitiously deposit
Speaker 1: livestock on somebody's place as you go past.
Speaker 2: That's gorilla farming. It's like steed bombing, but except you
Speaker 2: do it with cows, you know, freesion bombing.
Speaker 1: There we go, like, I like the idea of gorilla farming.
Speaker 1: I like the idea of drive by farming. I think
Speaker 1: maybe you know this could be a new movement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean certainly there's a campaign there.
Speaker 1: Sort of the anti Derek gow.
Speaker 2: With beaver bombing that he does allegedly allegedly or links bombing,
Speaker 2: because the other one isn't it allegedly? Who are you
Speaker 2: my lawyer?
Speaker 1: I'm my lawyer.
Speaker 2: On this stage. You appeared on a podcast where you
Speaker 2: claimed that's so and so engaged in a legal activity.
Speaker 2: So the wonderful gamefare at Ragley Hall? Are we all going?
Speaker 1: We are?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: I am m hmm.
Speaker 3: I believe I aren't because you need somebody to drive.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, the questions have been raised about whether I
Speaker 2: should put in for the mobility scooter this year to
Speaker 2: get around.
Speaker 1: If you don't, you won't have another opportunity to do so,
Speaker 1: for you know, twenty odd years at least.
Speaker 2: We hope not we hope now. I mean, I do
Speaker 2: quite like the idea of rattling down those metal walkways
Speaker 2: on the main sections on a mobility scooter like Rommel,
Speaker 2: of rolling rolling into the again into the low.
Speaker 3: Country, you'd be you'd be doing or just technique drive
Speaker 3: by game faring.
Speaker 2: Drive by game faring. Guess you don't have to actually
Speaker 2: go into any of the stalls. You just go past
Speaker 2: some judge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you take some binoculars you can see
Speaker 3: the prices from the walkway.
Speaker 1: Knowing you as I do, it wouldn't be surprising to
Speaker 1: me if you modeled your game Fair mobility scooter to
Speaker 1: make it do forty miles an hour.
Speaker 2: I do think that when you're still wandering through the
Speaker 2: thronged crowds, can you be a thronged crowd and you'll
Speaker 2: turn behind you and there's a nineteen year old with
Speaker 2: long hair wearing a high vis vest, driving a John
Speaker 2: Deere gator or something very very slowly with a VIP
Speaker 2: on board, trying to get to wherever they're doing a talk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you ever done the game Fair setup? Because
Speaker 1: they are extremely enthusiastic about people wearing high vis at
Speaker 1: all time?
Speaker 2: Are they? I never have I used to do years ago,
Speaker 2: or of the family business. We used to do lots
Speaker 2: of country fair set up things, but that was late nineties,
Speaker 2: early two thousands. Where as long as you didn't run
Speaker 2: over more than three people per show, they didn't really
Speaker 2: give a crap.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think that they had a ticking off from
Speaker 1: the HSE at some point, because certainly when I first
Speaker 1: did one, which would have been just the year post COVID,
Speaker 1: so probably twenty twenty one, they didn't appear to give
Speaker 1: two hoots, and then in subsequent years they've got more
Speaker 1: and more enthusiastic about neon vests.
Speaker 2: The guns on pegstand are sort of evolved into this
Speaker 2: like a floating aircraft carrier of a stand now, hasn't
Speaker 2: it with all sorts of sections.
Speaker 1: Yes, sort of part living room, part part office I guess,
Speaker 1: and a bar.
Speaker 2: The air again next year this year, this.
Speaker 1: Year, guntle Pegs will be there. Yes, I mean I
Speaker 1: don't really have very much to do with the activities
Speaker 1: on the stand these days. I'm there representing the podcast
Speaker 1: and that sort of thing. So we're recording in the
Speaker 1: Gamefare Theater again on Saturday, which we do every year,
Speaker 1: and much of the rest of the time, I'm just
Speaker 1: going to be a punter, barring one or two things.
Speaker 3: Oh well, that's nice. What time are you going to
Speaker 3: be at the Carter Jonas Theater with podcast?
Speaker 1: I think it's four thirty. I think we have the
Speaker 1: theater from four, but it normally takes us a little
Speaker 1: bit of time to get set up, so yeah, four thirty.
Speaker 1: Will be on stage for about an hour or so,
Speaker 1: talking shooting related nonsense.
Speaker 3: Excellent.
Speaker 2: It was last year where just as you were all
Speaker 2: going in, I said to Sam of your tribe, don't worry.
Speaker 2: Just remember that everyone's looking at you, judging you, and
Speaker 2: it is recorded live.
Speaker 1: Yes, I have to say that podcasting for me feels
Speaker 1: very natural and sort of my happy place. Being on
Speaker 1: stage I find really quite scary, certainly in the build
Speaker 1: up to it. Once we're on stage, the adrenaline kicks
Speaker 1: in and I can sort of I'm so concerned about
Speaker 1: making sure that we get to the next bit and
Speaker 1: that the thing's flowing along nicely that I sort of
Speaker 1: forget how nervous I am. But if you look closely,
Speaker 1: you will be able to see my hands shaking for
Speaker 1: the first ten or fifteen minutes until I settle into it, so.
Speaker 2: The adrenaline sort of flows through the rest of you,
Speaker 2: down into the ground and out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a reason we have a drink in our podcast,
Speaker 1: and that's one of them.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, does it help if you
Speaker 2: just sort of get drunk enough that you can defocus
Speaker 2: your eyes so much that you can't see beyond the stage,
Speaker 2: so you can't actually see the crowd? It just a blur.
Speaker 1: One year, I bought I typically I might drink for
Speaker 1: that episode at the Game Fair, and I bought a
Speaker 1: bottle of Cask Strength New Zealand whiskey. And I hadn't
Speaker 1: read the label sufficient with sufficient care before we went
Speaker 1: on stage, and it wasn't so much my vision was
Speaker 1: the problem. But I had a little sip of it,
Speaker 1: and then I couldn't really speak for about a minute
Speaker 1: and a half.
Speaker 2: Wow, the little flammable warning on the label.
Speaker 1: That really, yeah, exactly, very nice whiskey, though, so.
Speaker 2: Amy, You've not your first attendance at a game there
Speaker 2: was with me, wasn't it. You had never been into anything.
Speaker 3: Like like that?
Speaker 2: No, Sorry, I'm croaking at the same time, and I'm
Speaker 2: trying to not get distracted by that huge wasp. But
Speaker 2: that's come into my office. It's like the size of
Speaker 2: a V twenty two osprey.
Speaker 3: Nice. Definitely not a harlet.
Speaker 2: We shall see. So what what did you think about there?
Speaker 3: So it's interesting because the first one that we attended
Speaker 3: was just as punters, purely punters and shooting field sports
Speaker 3: country ways is not in It wasn't in my blood
Speaker 3: to my knowledge, until all of my grandparents died, and
Speaker 3: then I suddenly found out that actually both of my
Speaker 3: grandfathers had done a little bit of shooting when they
Speaker 3: were younger, and all this kind of thing pschi nice. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I like my I know my uncle used to go
Speaker 3: fishing as a boy, but it's kind of like everybody
Speaker 3: did then, I suppose, especially where they lived. But the
Speaker 3: game fair completely different place to me, completely different crowd,
Speaker 3: but was really nice and just relaxed, interesting, lots to see,
Speaker 3: lots to do, loads of things to try food and
Speaker 3: drink wise, which is always bonus in my book. And
Speaker 3: the weather was just fantastic as well, I think. And
Speaker 3: that one was Ragley Hall, wasn't it that first one?
Speaker 2: Yes, it was Ragley And then we went to blen
Speaker 2: him and then it's back at Ragley, which is actually
Speaker 2: easier for us because it's closer, but I think it's
Speaker 2: like harder for the rest of the country to get to.
Speaker 1: Amy. What was your experience of sort of trade shows
Speaker 1: and fairs of that ilk before the Game Fair?
Speaker 3: Then, so before the Game Fair when I was a kid,
Speaker 3: I remember Mum taking me to kind of the local
Speaker 3: county shows and things. I think I went to Cheshire
Speaker 3: County Show and I just have one memory of that
Speaker 3: where I was looking in the one of the tents
Speaker 3: and they had all sorts of different things, including ferrets,
Speaker 3: and I was handling this ferret which was being really
Speaker 3: nice and gentle, and my mum saw it from across
Speaker 3: the tent and thought, oh, that looks really nic and
Speaker 3: I always loved animals as a kid, and she walked
Speaker 3: over and smelt it and immediately just said, you are
Speaker 3: not having one, no fair, It's in our house, okay.
Speaker 3: But other than that, I suppose other kind of shows
Speaker 3: that would be similar but in different areas were the
Speaker 3: outdoor trade show, the there's a big outdoor show down
Speaker 3: in London that I went to a few years ago,
Speaker 3: which was all climbing, hiking, killwalking, that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: But that was all indoors as well, so it's always
Speaker 3: a bit different going to anywhere that's like the NEEC
Speaker 3: or this that was at the thing. It's that Excel
Speaker 3: down in London. Yeah. Yeah, so not the same kind
Speaker 3: of thing at all. And then, like I said, just
Speaker 3: as a child, County shows so very different.
Speaker 2: There was something you said to me at the first
Speaker 2: game for Amy, there was a layer of conservation and
Speaker 2: land management and farming and all sorts of other things
Speaker 2: overlaid onto is meant to be a recreation thing, whereas
Speaker 2: if you go to the National Outdoor Expo whatever the
Speaker 2: hell it's called this year, which is the hiking one,
Speaker 2: you won't find anything to do with the conservation or
Speaker 2: anything like that unless maybe the Woodland Trust have a
Speaker 2: stand there or something like that, and that would be
Speaker 2: the only thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one d percent, one hundred percent true. So you've
Speaker 3: been going to the game fair for a long time,
Speaker 3: I'm guessing, George.
Speaker 1: Well, actually my first game fare was only in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: I might have gone to one when it used to
Speaker 1: move around a lot when it was the Cla Game Fair.
Speaker 1: There was one in Hampshire, which I remember going to,
Speaker 1: but I would have been you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: if i'd even have been a teenager at that point.
Speaker 1: That would have been at Broadlands, I think. But yeah,
Speaker 1: apart from that, and so I've only ever really experienced
Speaker 1: the game Fair until last year at any rate as
Speaker 1: you know, somebody on a stand. And so then last
Speaker 1: year I went along for the day describe and didn't
Speaker 1: have a stand. So I went along just for the
Speaker 1: Saturday to record the Guns on Pegs podcast and I
Speaker 1: wandered around the game Fair a bit as a punter,
Speaker 1: and it's such a different experience, you know. Not one
Speaker 1: of the things about being on a stand is that
Speaker 1: you often feel guilty for being off it, yes, because
Speaker 1: it is quite a full on thing and everybody is
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're on this stand at sort of
Speaker 1: seven in the morning, seven eight o'clock and it's just
Speaker 1: pretty full on from then until quite late at night
Speaker 1: sometimes because of all the little drinks parties and what
Speaker 1: have you. So, yeah, just being able to wander about
Speaker 1: and you know, nip into a stand and or you know,
Speaker 1: nip into a friend's stand and have a chat without
Speaker 1: constantly feeling well I've got to get back because the
Speaker 1: guys will need me, you know. It's nice to have
Speaker 1: that freedom. And actually I did a bit of retail
Speaker 1: there last year. I bought shooting coats for my kids,
Speaker 1: which was an interesting experience trying to work out the
Speaker 1: very confusing size brackets that they have.
Speaker 2: Want to look at the kid's clothing there always seems
Speaker 2: like they've got the arm length right, but not the
Speaker 2: body length.
Speaker 1: Well, this is exactly it. So I bought two shooting coats,
Speaker 1: ostensibly the same size. My daughter's one is a perfect
Speaker 1: fit apart from the sleeves being a little bit long,
Speaker 1: and my son's, I mean it looks like a sleeping
Speaker 1: bag on him. It comes almost to ankle length.
Speaker 3: Fantastic.
Speaker 1: I can only assume that they were aiming for the
Speaker 1: same size because the number in it was the same.
Speaker 2: It's like one of those Arabian throbe things sort of
Speaker 2: just walks up here. Wear that is a sole garment, Yeah,
Speaker 2: like a trench coat. Yeah, there must be a spreadsheet
Speaker 2: somewhere of the average size of a child like child
Speaker 2: size ratio, but I imagine every manufacturer has got their
Speaker 2: own different version of it, and otherwise it's you end
Speaker 2: up just marketing entirely to short torsoed long armed midgets
Speaker 2: or something like that.
Speaker 1: It is complete. I mean, I could actually go on
Speaker 1: about this for a very long time, but this is
Speaker 1: a country side a broadly countryside podcast, rather than a
Speaker 1: parenting podcast. But yes, different companies. I think they just
Speaker 1: sort of guess, oh, well, you know how big is
Speaker 1: a six year old? Well about that big? Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure they've ever seen a six year old.
Speaker 2: This is why I always gravitate towards the Gilly stand
Speaker 2: Gilly clothing, because I've got fifty inch chests, thirty eight
Speaker 2: ish inch waist and a giant head, which is a
Speaker 2: problem for finding clothing unless you go to Gilly because
Speaker 2: the owner, Hey, is well, I'm fairly sure he's descended
Speaker 2: from the nepheline, the sort of the mythical race of
Speaker 2: giants from the Bible. He he makes me look like, well,
Speaker 2: look tiny in comparison, but all the Gill clothing of
Speaker 2: the sizes brilliantly fit me.
Speaker 1: I love Gilly stuff, their sort of field shirt thingies.
Speaker 1: I bought one and I wasn't sure if it was
Speaker 1: the right size, so they then ordered another one the
Speaker 1: next size. Up, and then I got over excited and
Speaker 1: thought I'll have two more. So I'd initially intended to
Speaker 1: return one of them, which everyone turned out to be
Speaker 1: the wrong size, and in the end I just thought,
Speaker 1: bugger it, I'm going to have more of these. So
Speaker 1: when I'm fishing next week in Scotland, I will be
Speaker 1: wearing a Gillie shirt every day.
Speaker 2: So is this a good ruse to get them past
Speaker 2: your wife as well? So you can say, no, it's
Speaker 2: the same shirt. Look, it's the gilly one.
Speaker 1: Well it would be if they weren't different colors.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, your wife's quite good on those kind
Speaker 2: of things, I imagine.
Speaker 1: Yes, she does tend to notice.
Speaker 2: So we've got a few with our three point five
Speaker 2: million listeners or three listeners, whichever one you believe that
Speaker 2: we have.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I think most people know what the Game Fair is
Speaker 2: and what it's about by now. We've banged on about
Speaker 2: it often enough in these shows. But it's actually quite
Speaker 2: a little tent pole of an outdoor show within the
Speaker 2: UK market, because it's quite big, isn't it In terms
Speaker 2: of numbers. It's one hundred and thirty thousand people over
Speaker 2: three days, big numbers.
Speaker 1: I often see sort of people. You know, after all
Speaker 1: of these shows, those people on social media moaning about
Speaker 1: the thing. Oh, we've turned up and we've been round
Speaker 1: in two hours. It was time to go home. We've
Speaker 1: done everything, And I just think that's nonsense. There is
Speaker 1: so much to see and do, and there are huge
Speaker 1: numbers of people there, particularly on sort of the Saturday
Speaker 1: if it's sunny, it's it's like Piccadilly Circus there sometimes.
Speaker 2: And because you're in those rows, in between all the
Speaker 2: tents and the marquies and the things, it often feels
Speaker 2: quite busy, just by the fact you can't fit everyone
Speaker 2: into that what gun makers row or the was the
Speaker 2: shopping experience or something wherever you go to buy your
Speaker 2: hot tubs from.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Callum Callum had been to like four
Speaker 3: or five shows before he even managed to make it
Speaker 3: into the Fishing Village, haven't they. So I can't believe
Speaker 3: that you can get around the whole show in two hours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you do have to go looking for the Fishing
Speaker 1: Village a bit. What is you have done in previous years?
Speaker 1: It's sort of because they put it down by the lake.
Speaker 1: Do you sort of have to go and hunt it out?
Speaker 1: A bit. It's sort of slightly off to one side.
Speaker 2: Well, the way Callum described it was sort of like Brigerdoon.
Speaker 2: It was sort of like this mythical place that if
Speaker 2: the myths were just right, it would reveal itself to you.
Speaker 2: You go, oh wow, there's the fishing village. I found
Speaker 2: it this year.
Speaker 1: Yes, you have to Invokejeremy Wade.
Speaker 2: So, speaking of Jeremy Wade, we have a We've had
Speaker 2: a bit of a ruse and a bit of an
Speaker 2: idea for what we can do for the game Fair
Speaker 2: this year, and being terrible at making money as we are,
Speaker 2: we've decided to do a thing which will cost you,
Speaker 2: the listener, a small amount of money, but the money
Speaker 2: will all go to the Game and Wildlife Conservancy Trust.
Speaker 2: So we're going to do game fare bingo. And if
Speaker 2: the game fair people are listening, it's not your trademarked
Speaker 2: game Fair, it's a different game fare.
Speaker 1: So could we call it generic outdoor field Sports and
Speaker 1: Farming show bingo?
Speaker 2: Standing in a field next to Ragley Hall bingo? So, George,
Speaker 2: you came up with a list after one of our
Speaker 2: episodes last year for game Fair a game Fair bingo card.
Speaker 2: Can you remember what was on it.
Speaker 1: Vaguely. It included squares that had your face and Nigas's
Speaker 1: face and Callum's face, and I think there was one
Speaker 1: that said something like king Red trousers.
Speaker 2: Yes, dog in a pram, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Dog in a pram. There was another one that said
Speaker 1: being Mustard trousers.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: I can't really. I think it was a sixteen square
Speaker 1: grid and I don't think I can reel off all
Speaker 1: sixteen of them, but you get the vibe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what we propose to do this year is
Speaker 2: we'll have a maybe I can get it together for
Speaker 2: the end of this week. We'll see if it's in
Speaker 2: the show notes for this episode I did. If not,
Speaker 2: then there's there'll be something next week or the week
Speaker 2: after that will have something a list there for you
Speaker 2: to buy a game card from this. There'll be several
Speaker 2: different versions. There'll be a round about a hound each
Speaker 2: and the money goes the game Wildlife Conservancy Trust. You
Speaker 2: can buy as many as you wish, but the idea
Speaker 2: will be that you go round with your Bingo card
Speaker 2: and you can see what you can spot. We also
Speaker 2: want suggestions from the audience and there will be a
Speaker 2: link for this in the show notes to what goes
Speaker 2: on those bingo cards. In fact, I've just realized the
Speaker 2: linear nature of time. I need your suggestions, don't I
Speaker 2: before I make the bingo cards. So yes, there we go.
Speaker 2: That's how time works, Richard's past, present, and future, right.
Speaker 3: I mean I do sometimes question if you can understand that,
Speaker 3: but you know, let's carry on.
Speaker 2: I exist in four dimensional time anyway. So yeah, we
Speaker 2: want your suggestions, so send them into the link that's
Speaker 2: in the show notes for this episode and send them
Speaker 2: to producer Amy. Just things like web trousers, mustard trousers,
Speaker 2: dog in a pram vinni.
Speaker 1: Jo full camo, full tweed, white jeans, stag do hendu,
Speaker 1: oh yeah boy, hats yeah, a teal for Dora.
Speaker 2: Well that's Amy.
Speaker 3: Actually, I was gonna say.
Speaker 2: Pith helmet, Yes, very good one, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: So we want your suggestions please, And.
Speaker 1: This is just for fun. So there's no prize, is
Speaker 1: that right?
Speaker 2: Erm, yes, because a prize would have required organization then
Speaker 2: putting out funding for it. The prize is that the
Speaker 2: gw CT gets some money and we all have some fun.
Speaker 1: Yes, But I do think like it would be quite
Speaker 1: fun for people to be able to share their success.
Speaker 1: Have you thought that's a very good idea. So I
Speaker 1: was thinking about this, but Amy, if you got an
Speaker 1: idea before I jump in.
Speaker 3: Mine was very simple, is that they can tag country
Speaker 3: slide Pod on social media with a picture of their
Speaker 3: card if they want to share it that way.
Speaker 1: I think one step further to that, which is in
Speaker 1: order to be declared as to having achieved bingo, which,
Speaker 1: now I say that out loud sounds wrong.
Speaker 2: Take it back, odd on, darling. We're very nearly at bingo.
Speaker 1: Anyway. You have to take a picture of the of
Speaker 1: the item in question for.
Speaker 2: It to count.
Speaker 3: Yes, ah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So then you upload your pictures and so I feel
Speaker 1: like on Friday or Saturday at the game fair, my
Speaker 1: phone is going to explode the moment I get back
Speaker 1: into signal with tags women.
Speaker 2: In Mike miniskirts and things like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Fine, algorithm is going to be all over the place.
Speaker 2: It already is from the what you people send to me.
Speaker 3: Moving on, so game fair bingo, Yes.
Speaker 2: We'll announce it via our social media properly with all
Speaker 2: the links when it's ready to buy, but that will
Speaker 2: be in the next week or two. We won't make
Speaker 2: any money from this. Apart from the payment process of fees,
Speaker 2: everything or gain go to the Gable Wildlife Conservacy Trust,
Speaker 2: who I'm sure are over the moon to find out
Speaker 2: they're being tied to this event.
Speaker 1: In this way, funding is funding exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: You can take the check without having to approve the
Speaker 2: method by which is arrived.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, okay, that's our exception. We're sticking with it.
Speaker 2: Yes, for our sake of our lawyers. But there we go.
Speaker 2: So that is the country Slide game fare bingo. Will
Speaker 2: you be encouraging the guns on Pegs audience to engage
Speaker 2: in this?
Speaker 1: Yes, I think I will. I We're sort of recording
Speaker 1: a bit out of whack at the moment because well,
Speaker 1: complicated reasons, but mainly because I'm going on holiday next week,
Speaker 1: so I need to work out in which episode I
Speaker 1: need to say this so that it goes out just
Speaker 1: before It might be the one I'm recording tomorrow, but
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that you'll have to mention a link that
Speaker 2: does not exist yet in the episode that recording tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Which will go out when the link does exist.
Speaker 2: Yes, fantastic world on everyone.
Speaker 1: Yes, that delinearature of time is causing problems.
Speaker 2: Again, I often find it does in my life. I've
Speaker 2: thought of an idea after it should have happened, and
Speaker 2: then I make the preparations for something that doesn't exist yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that checks out.
Speaker 2: So, speaking of which, the Project X. Yes, so we're
Speaker 2: all going to be very cagey about talking about this
Speaker 2: for various reasons, but we have hinted at it in
Speaker 2: the past. This is this is not the thing that
Speaker 2: Callums can't talk about yet. That's a completely different thing.
Speaker 2: We'll like Calum talk about that on his own. Maybe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe that's definitely not a project either.
Speaker 2: No, make a time code note on that, Amy in
Speaker 2: case I have to remove it later for legal reasons.
Speaker 3: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: So Project X. You may remember regular listeners. Way back
Speaker 2: in I think it was February of this year, I
Speaker 2: hurriedly announced that we're going to be doing some extra
Speaker 2: shows in a sort of addition to Countryslide, where they
Speaker 2: will be things like how the Countryside Works, which will
Speaker 2: feature the melodious tones of George Brown off Off Skry
Speaker 2: Pound and guns on Pegs.
Speaker 1: It will Now it should be added that it's not
Speaker 1: going to be me that's doing the explaining there as
Speaker 1: we've already established I have not qualified to explain how
Speaker 1: farming works, for example.
Speaker 2: Now that's that's the extra content, isn't it. George has
Speaker 2: a stab at it before someone's explained it to him.
Speaker 1: That's actually quite a good idea. It's a very good idea, George.
Speaker 3: Just to keep that one under our hats.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm really looking forward. It's going to be fun.
Speaker 2: And we've also got the Land Girls podcast, which is
Speaker 2: going to.
Speaker 3: Be Amy Tis Tis. I'm really looking forward to that
Speaker 3: one as well. Doing lots of interviews to find out
Speaker 3: all about what what other different careers in conservation, working
Speaker 3: on the land, all these kind of things that are
Speaker 3: happening around the UK mostly and talking to the women
Speaker 3: who were who are in those roles finding out more
Speaker 3: about them.
Speaker 2: There was an element of finding people who genuinely work
Speaker 2: in conservation and have been working in it for a
Speaker 2: while or are forging a career there, not just on
Speaker 2: social media, not just doing it performatively for Instagram and
Speaker 2: things like that. I'd be very careful.
Speaker 3: No, But essentially it's not going to be names that
Speaker 3: you have heard of necessarily, but they're going to be
Speaker 3: people who know what they're doing, and they're very good
Speaker 3: at it.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think that the really interesting thing there is
Speaker 1: the sort of practition in the nature of it, because
Speaker 1: the social media image of the countryside is particularly where
Speaker 1: women is concerned, is possibly not focused on people who
Speaker 1: are actually out there, you know, to borrow Patrick Albrace's
Speaker 1: rays getting mud under the fingernails so often. It tends
Speaker 1: to be more of a sort of lifestyle approach to
Speaker 1: it rather than the actually getting your hands dirty and
Speaker 1: doing things.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a really really great,
Speaker 1: great podcast that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's we're hopefully trying to subvert the algorithm
Speaker 2: a little bit in doing that as well, because it's
Speaker 2: quite easy for us chaps to do that kind of thing,
Speaker 2: because we can just let ourselves go and be any
Speaker 2: handed son of the soil with a whilst not really
Speaker 2: caring about our appearance unless you're Harry Hutchinson, which case
Speaker 2: you have to be absolutely ripped.
Speaker 1: Apparently. I have wondered whether this is where I've been
Speaker 1: going wrong all this time.
Speaker 2: Well, as I said on the after show the other week,
Speaker 2: you know, I have landed a partner. Now I never
Speaker 2: have to worry about my appearance or attractiveness to women.
Speaker 1: Ever, again, if somebody said to you that country Slide
Speaker 1: would increase its listenership tenfold, if you were suddenly absolutely stacked,
Speaker 1: would that change your view?
Speaker 2: I mean it would sort of remove the sideer and
Speaker 2: past these from my diet, which genetically I'm predisposed towards.
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe, but even when I was spectacularly fit,
Speaker 2: I was still broadly this shape. I'm just a weird
Speaker 2: free of genetics. I'm not sure it's actually possible. Whereas
Speaker 2: the ripped George Brown, sort of when Guy Adams from
Speaker 2: Scribe Pound of the Daily Mail, Yes, got absolutely ripped
Speaker 2: the men's fitness, and he said it wasn't that hard,
Speaker 2: which is really annoying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think I believe him. He told me
Speaker 1: what that required, and it sounded very hard, not as hard.
Speaker 2: As his abs.
Speaker 3: No, it sounds like it takes a lot of discipline
Speaker 3: to get to that level, and also a removing of
Speaker 3: many of life's joys from your life.
Speaker 1: Well, and also, in Guy Adams's case, to be on
Speaker 1: the cover of ment healthy had to have a full
Speaker 1: torso wax.
Speaker 2: Oh No, I think in my case that would be
Speaker 2: sort of a fourth road. Bridge kind of issue, the
Speaker 2: finish waxing one end coming back at the other, so
Speaker 2: back on project X, which is not benefficient. Well, I
Speaker 2: think that's going to be the case. This is not
Speaker 2: a instead of Country Slide. Country Slide will continue and
Speaker 2: will continue in the same, possibly slightly career steering the
Speaker 2: way that it has already, and but we'll be adding
Speaker 2: on stuff either side of its basically there, with more
Speaker 2: of the voices that you may already know and love
Speaker 2: from other audio projects and some new ones you haven't
Speaker 2: got a chance to know yet. Well, that sounded old professional,
Speaker 2: but I ruined it by saying that.
Speaker 1: I think one should always undercut moments of professionalism with
Speaker 1: that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: As you know, Callum's thing about is like offering a
Speaker 2: treat to a dog. He's got his teeth, his teeth
Speaker 2: are slightly on show, his lips are slightly pulled back.
Speaker 2: It's never quite by taking it in the way it
Speaker 2: was meant. That's like us with professionalism. We could get there,
Speaker 2: but we're.
Speaker 3: Choosing not to.
Speaker 1: I think it's actually quite a good point though, because
Speaker 1: you know, I think one of the things that we
Speaker 1: all agree on is that the a level of incompetence
Speaker 1: and chaos is sort of part of the part of
Speaker 1: the vibe to this. You know, we want to take
Speaker 1: how the countryside works. For example, you know, I'm going
Speaker 1: to talk to people who really do know what we'd have,
Speaker 1: whatever aspect of the countryside it is that we're talking about.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be talking to proper experts, but there's
Speaker 1: going to be a degree of misunderstanding and and attempting
Speaker 1: to translate things for the layman. I suppose.
Speaker 2: I think there's a there's an issue with every kind
Speaker 2: of media, but any kind of niche media and which
Speaker 2: there is a rural media world. Either it ends up
Speaker 2: being restrained by some external forces, whether that's commercial, whether
Speaker 2: it's you know, who your advertisers are, who your funders are,
Speaker 2: those kind of things, or it's the repetition of what
Speaker 2: you hear other people doing, and there's a sort of
Speaker 2: a house style that develops within that niche. We want
Speaker 2: to keep going in the way we have done, which
Speaker 2: is maybe reflect more of what we see on the
Speaker 2: ground and the conversations we have on the ground and
Speaker 2: those kind of things, rather than what you you know,
Speaker 2: you're tuning in. Let's hear about the countryside. Oh that
Speaker 2: sounds nothing like me being on the phone to Nick
Speaker 2: or Matthew or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I think there's the other aspect to it
Speaker 1: as well, which is, you know, if you take farming
Speaker 1: as an example, one, farming is a massive sort of
Speaker 1: catch all term for everything from you know, growing a
Speaker 1: little bit of stood for Coleman's to vast you know,
Speaker 1: industrial milking operations and this sort of stuff. So it's
Speaker 1: sort of hard to hard to put it all in
Speaker 1: one category in one sense. But also when you're talking
Speaker 1: about it, you can either talk about it in terms
Speaker 1: for you know, somebody who lives in Clapham. Actually Clapham
Speaker 1: was the wrong choice, you know, someone who lives in
Speaker 1: you know, some some suburbs somewhere, and you know, but
Speaker 1: the closest they get to say a cow is you know,
Speaker 1: the picture of one on the bottle of milk they
Speaker 1: buy from Tesco's. Or there's the sort of expert farmer
Speaker 1: audience who are expected to know what all of the
Speaker 1: acronyms and all that sort of thing means. But actually,
Speaker 1: you know, I can read a sheep farming article and
Speaker 1: it might as well be in French, but I do
Speaker 1: know my way roughly around cereal farming, because that's what
Speaker 1: we do here. So I guess the idea is to
Speaker 1: talk to an engaged countryside audience about things that might
Speaker 1: be new to them or that where their level of
Speaker 1: understanding is not so great, and trying to find that
Speaker 1: balance in there, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's also preconceptions that come with all of these
Speaker 2: things that if you're in dairy farming, to you, you
Speaker 2: know what farming is, and you also have a preconception
Speaker 2: about what the public thinks about you, and that might
Speaker 2: come from the comments on social media and under an
Speaker 2: article about farming, or what somebody has replied to your
Speaker 2: post about your farm shop with or something like that.
Speaker 2: So there's everyone I think can benefit from seeing what
Speaker 2: other people think about their world, as well as finding
Speaker 2: out how somebody doing something that is basically the different
Speaker 2: flavor of what you do, you know that they have
Speaker 2: a different preconception differ view of that world entirely.
Speaker 1: Yes, and we can go incredibly granularately with this as well.
Speaker 1: But again because you know, dairy farming in East Anglia
Speaker 1: is a pretty different beast to dairy farming in Wales
Speaker 1: just by virtue of the landscape. You know, it comes
Speaker 1: with its own set of challenges and ways of doing things.
Speaker 2: Within these new shows we're hoping to bring as we
Speaker 2: bring in some things that we've already done. So Amy
Speaker 2: and I run Wild Food People Wildfoodpeople dot co dot uk.
Speaker 2: It's where you can find our foraging courses. Somewhere in July,
Speaker 2: all of those public foraging courses are going to move
Speaker 2: over to our social enterprise, to the CIC Community Interest
Speaker 2: Company that we set up just about eighteen months or
Speaker 2: so ago, so that they can benefit that because they
Speaker 2: all take place in landscapes that we manage under that
Speaker 2: social enterprise anyway, So it makes sense. That means that
Speaker 2: the Wild Food People podcasts, which has been I think
Speaker 2: the last one we put out was June last year
Speaker 2: with John.
Speaker 3: Mailer been on a hiatus, hasn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that will be coming back, and that will be
Speaker 2: coming back covering all aspects of wild food, whether that's foraging, hunting, fishing,
Speaker 2: preparation of food, the issues affecting conservation and gathering food
Speaker 2: from the wild, as well as some of the outdoor
Speaker 2: cooking and wilder ingredients, even if they are slightly on
Speaker 2: the farm side of things as well, which again I
Speaker 2: think you'll be having some input into George with your
Speaker 2: setting fire to animals on coals on charcoal.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is one of my principal hobbies at this
Speaker 1: time of year, is setting fire to lumps of wood
Speaker 1: and then subsequently using those to set fire to various
Speaker 1: different sizes of bits of animal or fish. Actually, come to.
Speaker 2: Take it, explain cooking badly?
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, well exactly this is what I do, is
Speaker 1: I cook badly. And again, I think this comes back
Speaker 1: to what we were talking about with the you know,
Speaker 1: the levels of incompetence, because I'm enthusiastic, but I'm not
Speaker 1: an expert at these things. And I think that we'll
Speaker 1: all be learning from one another on this side of things.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I like this idea of continual learning journeys
Speaker 2: because well, anytime you get to the point of thinking, right,
Speaker 2: I know everything now, I don't need to learn anymore,
Speaker 2: something will swing in from left field and swipe you
Speaker 2: across your across your face with a new lesson, won't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that there's this sort of curiosity
Speaker 1: as well. If you take the sort of fire cooking thing,
Speaker 1: live fire cooking thing, you know, you maybe start off
Speaker 1: with something fairly straightforward, like a steak, but it's not
Speaker 1: long if you're like me at any rate, before you're
Speaker 1: starting to think things like I wonder if I can
Speaker 1: asado an entire road deer, And incidentally, I can tell
Speaker 1: you the answer is yes, you can, but it's not
Speaker 1: a tremendous idea.
Speaker 2: Don't plan to do many other things that day as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it takes a while. It's not the best way
Speaker 1: to cook a deer. That's my lesson that I learned
Speaker 1: on that one.
Speaker 2: But that's to be perfectly honest. The world food people
Speaker 2: element of this is the one I'm most excited about
Speaker 2: because get to expand into so many issues and so
Speaker 2: many areas. Because being able to cook something wild over
Speaker 2: and open fire in a place where it is lawful
Speaker 2: and appropriate to have that fire, there are so many
Speaker 2: steps to get there. It's like this thing about a
Speaker 2: bacon cheeseburger is one of the most technologically advanced things
Speaker 2: in human civilization because of all the stuff you have
Speaker 2: to have to be able to make that bread, have
Speaker 2: the lettuce there at the same time as bacon, at
Speaker 2: the same time as a burger, have cheese that won't
Speaker 2: go off it's this huge technological development. There's this sort
Speaker 2: of skill development, skill acquisition layer you need to have
Speaker 2: to be able to cook over and open fire well
Speaker 2: in the outdoors.
Speaker 1: Yes, you're absolutely right. It's it's new skills all the
Speaker 1: way down, isn't it, From acquiring the thing that you're
Speaker 1: going to cook, to preparing it, to making the fire,
Speaker 1: managing the fire, you know, different cooking techniques and so
Speaker 1: on and so forth. It's almost infinite how deep you
Speaker 1: can go into it.
Speaker 3: It is, and there's there's so so much to learn
Speaker 3: with that, and if you're go into smoking and and
Speaker 3: all of that side of it as well, and it's
Speaker 3: just there's always that area where chemistry starts overlapping with
Speaker 3: it as well, and it's whether it's more art or science.
Speaker 3: And yeah, yes, fascinating.
Speaker 1: I think that's another really good point, which is that
Speaker 1: there's going to be lots of opportunities for bodgery in this,
Speaker 1: particularly in the on the cooking side of things, because
Speaker 1: another thing that I'm quite a fan of is overly
Speaker 1: elaborate cooking apparatus. You know, I've always wanted a cold
Speaker 1: smoker that's made out of you know, a bit of
Speaker 1: an old hoover and a metal shoe box and a
Speaker 1: I don't even know what a metal shoe box is,
Speaker 1: but you know that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: When I first met you, one of the first things
Speaker 2: you asked me was, have you ever made a water
Speaker 2: wheel powered spit to go over a fire?
Speaker 1: Exactly that kind of thing, you know. Is it necessary?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Does it really achieve anything? Very much? Also no? Will
Speaker 1: it work? Probably not? I think the fun is in
Speaker 1: the trying.
Speaker 2: We also need somewhere with running water where we can
Speaker 2: light the fire. Yes, summer, maybe not, this is an
Speaker 2: autumn project. Maybe yes.
Speaker 1: Well, I suppose that if we do the cookery in
Speaker 1: the wetter months, it reduces the probability of us setting
Speaker 1: vide to the landscape as well, which is probably quite
Speaker 1: a good message to put out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, if our first if our first press release
Speaker 2: is sorry, we've set far out half of Hampshire.
Speaker 1: I think episode one of Wild Food People disposable barbecue
Speaker 1: somewhere in the North Pennines on a grouse more.
Speaker 3: Ycally locally sourced poultry.
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing. Well, they used to do the race,
Speaker 2: didn't they to visit the savoy who used trying to
Speaker 2: get the first grouse of the season, so.
Speaker 1: I think they still do that. You know, I think
Speaker 1: you can. You could. There's some places that sort of
Speaker 1: pride themselves on being able to serve you grouse on
Speaker 1: the twelfth in London.
Speaker 2: So as red grouse are the game bird that is
Speaker 2: wild really, you know, it's the most shot in the
Speaker 2: UK that is has to be a wild source. You
Speaker 2: could shorten that chain quite substantially by having a disposable
Speaker 2: barbecue on the edge of the grouse bird. So you
Speaker 2: shoot a grouse, the first grouse of the season, try
Speaker 2: and nail it onto the barbecue straight away.
Speaker 1: Or you know, have your loaders stand there with a
Speaker 1: long polled landing net.
Speaker 2: Or a skill or a GAF or something. He's sort
Speaker 2: of trying to drag it up the ball and towards you.
Speaker 2: Why is it you've not had me back on my
Speaker 2: guns on Pegs podcast, So I think that's a good
Speaker 2: place to leave the main show for now. But as
Speaker 2: a summary, we want your suggestions for things that will
Speaker 2: be on the game fare Bingo CUD and then they'll
Speaker 2: be available for purchase prior to the game fare, with
Speaker 2: all proceeds going to the Game of Wildlife Conservancy. Trust.
Speaker 2: Is it Conservation Trust and they're not Conservancy.
Speaker 1: It is the Game and Wildlife Conservation Trust.
Speaker 2: Yes, hasn't been Conservancy Trust for since about nineteen seventy
Speaker 2: four or something ninety something. I don't know, I should know,
Speaker 2: but g WCT you know what they do. Wonderful things
Speaker 2: are great partridges. Then we also have our Project X,
Speaker 2: which will be landing hopefully sometime just after the Game
Speaker 2: Fair in thereabouts, which will feature all this, well the
Speaker 2: start of all this wonderful new content and a new look,
Speaker 2: but in country Slide and the voices you love won't
Speaker 2: be going anywhere. How you feel about that is down
Speaker 2: to you. That might be a relief, it might just
Speaker 2: be sort of a portent of doom coming well just
Speaker 2: for the rest of your life really, because we're not
Speaker 2: going anywhere. Have I missed anything?
Speaker 1: I think that's everything. I think.
Speaker 2: M hm. So onto the after show. Goodbye everyone, Bye bye,