Speaker 1: Coming to you from the dining room table at East
Speaker 1: Barbury Lane. Welcome to the first episode of season five
Speaker 1: of Full Circle, the podcast. A visit to our home
Speaker 1: where we squeeze a few headlines through our decidedly queer
Speaker 1: lens and see what happens. This episode is brought to
Speaker 1: you by Decanted jug Wine and a Windows open day
Speaker 1: in early March.
Speaker 2: I am your host, Charles Tyson Jr.
Speaker 1: And I am your host Martha Madrigal. Welcome back to
Speaker 1: the Full Circle Table.
Speaker 2: Five seasons.
Speaker 1: That was take four. It took me four takes to
Speaker 1: get the intro, which is always cold. I don't know
Speaker 1: why I was tripping over it, but I was, you wasp,
Speaker 1: I was tripping on it. Yeah, so season five, how
Speaker 1: about that? Who'd have thought me? Yeah, you saw that,
Speaker 1: you saw longevity. I did happening.
Speaker 2: Because you know, it's not like we're talking about a
Speaker 2: subject that has a shelf life or anything.
Speaker 1: Yes, it is.
Speaker 2: What queerness.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that doesn't know. I mean sometimes what's what
Speaker 1: we're talking about has a bit of a shelf life.
Speaker 2: Obviously that was getting ready saying.
Speaker 1: But I was like, wait, what, oh no, you know
Speaker 1: something I know? Yeah, neither one of us will stop
Speaker 1: being queer. You won't stop being black, I won't stop
Speaker 1: being trans. So I guess here we are yeah right, yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and it continues to bother up a segment
Speaker 1: of the population. Good right, good, Yeah, success is the
Speaker 1: best revenge.
Speaker 2: I was channeling the big bug Monster from one of
Speaker 2: the cut ways on Family Guy. Good good.
Speaker 1: This is what number is this? We're we're one hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this would be one hundred and sixty five.
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, so we've been we've been
Speaker 1: recording for a while now. Yeah, we do have some
Speaker 1: good news along with some nonsense, along with some folks
Speaker 1: who died as per usual. Yeah, yeah, pretty much. So,
Speaker 1: you know, any thoughts as we enter season five, any
Speaker 1: any other than you know, you've got a cold, and
Speaker 1: my clock is working and we have the windows open.
Speaker 2: This is the season where big things are going to happen,
Speaker 2: I think. So.
Speaker 1: I love that we have such a canon of work.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can figure out who we are and
Speaker 1: what this show is pretty well. Yeah by just listening back.
Speaker 2: It's crazy if you google me. Now, podcast stuff is
Speaker 2: like the bulk of what comes up. I have to
Speaker 2: dig to you know, find any vestiges of my performing
Speaker 2: arts career.
Speaker 1: Huh interesting and if you google me, I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess the same is true because we got contacted through
Speaker 1: the podcast. Yes, and I will be sitting on a
Speaker 1: local women's history panel this coming week.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: My understanding sounds like the first time that they have
Speaker 1: ever included a trans woman. It's exciting.
Speaker 2: It is exciting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be interesting. But it was actually
Speaker 1: a local teacher who is also very active in the
Speaker 1: teachers' union, who was googling looking for someone to speak
Speaker 1: on these issues a local trans person and found me
Speaker 1: and found the podcast, and yeah, so that was kind
Speaker 1: of cool. Yeah, because I thought it had something to
Speaker 1: do with my previous job and had nothing to do
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 2: And if you want to book Martha or I or
Speaker 2: both of us for anything, you can just visit full
Speaker 2: Circle thepod dot com just saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah you can, and folks are doing that. Yeah. That
Speaker 1: is something that's picked up lately, is invitations to speak Yes,
Speaker 1: and I'll pretty much go to anything. I I No
Speaker 1: one has asked me to do anything that I felt
Speaker 1: any kind of need to turn down, but it's nice
Speaker 1: to see that continuing to happen, and anytime there's trans
Speaker 1: representation and a conversation about us, I'm happier. So yeah,
Speaker 1: and anytime we get to lead that conversation, I'm happier
Speaker 1: still exactly. And then when it's me doing it, hey
Speaker 1: fullsclepot dot com. Yeah, there you go. So good things
Speaker 1: are happening. It's the start of a new season. So
Speaker 1: I guess we will see what season five holds. You know,
Speaker 1: we can't promise we record every week, but we're going
Speaker 1: to try exactly. Yeah, so who died? I don't have
Speaker 1: a segway into that Who's dead? Well damn Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I just want to start off by saying People Magazine,
Speaker 2: the way they publish their headlines is so interesting. It's
Speaker 2: like they don't name names. I guess because they're not
Speaker 2: trying to seem salacious.
Speaker 1: Okay, so.
Speaker 2: They'll say like superstar, beloved film star, and it's either
Speaker 2: like a big name or it's like who like that
Speaker 2: played like second rock on the left in the back,
Speaker 2: but lobster number two. So but this headline said Will
Speaker 2: and Grace Starr passes away and I was like, and
Speaker 2: come to find out it was Corey Parker Corey Parker
Speaker 2: was the actor who played I described him to you
Speaker 2: as a Grace's woo woo boyfriend, Josh.
Speaker 1: That is what you said?
Speaker 2: Who ended up being queer?
Speaker 1: Yes in the show. Yes, Oh, okay, he.
Speaker 2: Was, and he had a he had a multi episode
Speaker 2: arc on the show. He was there for a minute.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: The actor's name is Corey Parker and he was sixty
Speaker 2: when he lost his battle to cancer, which at first
Speaker 2: I was like, how is that possible? Then it occurred
Speaker 2: to me how long ago it was that Will and
Speaker 2: Grace was on the air.
Speaker 1: It's been a minute.
Speaker 2: It's well nigh thirty years now.
Speaker 1: So you know what I know about him? His mother,
Speaker 1: I want to say. Her name is Rocky Parker, was
Speaker 1: Patrick Dempsey's first wife and considerably older than him when
Speaker 1: they married. I think Patrick Dempsey was like twenty one
Speaker 1: and she was like forty seven. Oh I believe, yeah,
Speaker 1: in like the late eighties. That's what I know about Corey.
Speaker 1: This is about his mother, who Yeah, okay, it's all
Speaker 1: I got, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I enjoyed him on the show, and apparently his
Speaker 2: death is right after another Will and Grace actor, Charles C.
Speaker 2: Stevenson Junior, who played Smitty, who passed away last month
Speaker 2: in February.
Speaker 1: I don't know either of these characters.
Speaker 2: Smitty was always the bartender, and Karen would be talking
Speaker 2: to him and he would tell her like a really sad,
Speaker 2: dark story, and then she would crack up and go, oh, Smitty,
Speaker 2: you always know how to make me laugh. He'd be
Speaker 2: talking about how like he lost a toe of frostbite
Speaker 2: going through the snow to rescue his wife who ended
Speaker 2: up dying in a car crash or something, and she
Speaker 2: was just like, oh, Smitty, you sure know how to
Speaker 2: tell a joke.
Speaker 1: Oh, well, okay, I don't remember that. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: think she needed to go to a bar to drink. Well,
Speaker 1: she didn't need to, Well I didn't. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: remember that. I was not the same level of fan
Speaker 1: that you were. I've not seen every episode. I don't think.
Speaker 2: Well, it cracks me up because like he would always
Speaker 2: be the bartender no matter where she was.
Speaker 1: Oh that's okay, that's fun.
Speaker 2: So I wonder if like she just brought him with
Speaker 2: her everywhere.
Speaker 1: Oh that's kind of fun. Okay. So two cast members
Speaker 1: from Will and Grace.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, So rest in peace to Corey Parker and
Speaker 2: Charles Stevenson Junior.
Speaker 1: Bernard Lafayette, Yes.
Speaker 2: I just discovered his passing yesterday. Actually. Bernard Lafayette was
Speaker 2: the a voting rights organizer and Selma during the height
Speaker 2: of the Civil rights movement. He passed away at eighty five,
Speaker 2: okay this week of a heart attack. Bernard Lafayette did
Speaker 2: the risky groundwork for the voter registration campaign in Selma, Alabama,
Speaker 2: that culminated in the passage of the Voting Rights Act
Speaker 2: of nineteen six correct.
Speaker 1: He was one of a delegation of Nashville students who
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty had helped found the Student Nonviolent Coordinating
Speaker 1: Committee known as SNICK, which organized desegregation and voting rights
Speaker 1: campaigns across the South. They crossed Selma off their map
Speaker 1: after some initial scouting determined that the white folks were
Speaker 1: too mean and the black folks were too scared. Wow,
Speaker 1: but he insisted on trying anyway. Named director of the
Speaker 1: Alabama voter registration campaign in nineteen sixty three, Lafayette moved
Speaker 1: to the town and with his former wife, Collia Lidell,
Speaker 1: gradually built the leadership capacity of the local people, convincing
Speaker 1: them change was possible and creating momentum that could not
Speaker 1: be stopped. He described this work in a twenty thirteen
Speaker 1: memoir called In Peace and Freedom, My journey and the.
Speaker 2: Many dangers Lafayette faced included an assassination attempt on the
Speaker 2: same night Magdgar Evers was murdered in Mississippi in what
Speaker 2: the FBI said was a conspiracy to kill civil rights workers.
Speaker 2: Lafayette was beaten outside his home before his assailant pointed
Speaker 2: a gun at him. His calls for help brought out
Speaker 2: a neighbor with a rifle. Lafayette found himself standing between
Speaker 2: the two men, asking his neighbor not to shoot. He
Speaker 2: said he felt an extraordinary sense of internal strength instead
Speaker 2: of fear at that moment, and rather than fight back,
Speaker 2: he looked his attacker in the eyes. Nonviolence is a fight,
Speaker 2: to quote when that person over a struggle of the
Speaker 2: human spirit. That's what he wrombered.
Speaker 1: He was already working on a new project in Chicago
Speaker 1: by the time his work in Selma came to fruition
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty five. He had planned to join the
Speaker 1: Selma to Montgomery March on day two, so he missed
Speaker 1: Bloody Sunday when the march was stopped by teargas and
Speaker 1: club wieldings State troopers before it even got out of Selma.
Speaker 1: I felt helpless at a distance, he wrote. I was
Speaker 1: stricken with grief, concerned that so many people in my
Speaker 1: beloved community were hurt, possibly killed. But he shifted quickly,
Speaker 1: rounding up people in Chicago and arranging transport to Alabama
Speaker 1: for a second attempt. They set off two weeks later
Speaker 1: on what had become a victory march. President Lyndon Johnson
Speaker 1: had introduced the Voting Rights Act to Congress.
Speaker 2: Lafayette grew up in Tampa, Florida, where he recalled trying
Speaker 2: to board a trolley with his grandmother when he was
Speaker 2: seven years old. Black passengers had to pay at the front,
Speaker 2: then walk to the back to climb on, but the
Speaker 2: conductor began to pull away before they could board, and
Speaker 2: his grandmother fell. He was too little to help. I
Speaker 2: felt like a sword cut me in half, and I
Speaker 2: vowed I would do something about this problem one day,
Speaker 2: he wrote in his memoir, And he did you know?
Speaker 1: He had said Antentah twenty one. When you think about it,
Speaker 1: we weren't trying to make history or trying to rewrite history.
Speaker 1: We were responding to the problems of the particular time.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Wow, So what a life, right yeah, what an important contribution.
Speaker 2: And it's crazy that I didn't learn really about him
Speaker 2: until he died.
Speaker 1: How about that? How many? Right?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: In his memoir, Lafayette wrote that the ever present threat
Speaker 1: of death during those early years of organizing taught him
Speaker 1: that the value of life lies not in longevity, but
Speaker 1: in what people do to give it significance, rest in power,
Speaker 1: rust and power. Indeed, let's move right along and talk
Speaker 1: about some good news. How about that. That'd be great. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's see. So primary elections have started, Yes they have.
Speaker 1: Anti trans Democrats were blown out in North Carolina in
Speaker 1: the primary election.
Speaker 2: Ha.
Speaker 1: Yes, Nasif Majeed lost to Valeria Levy, who ran on
Speaker 1: a pro LGBT plus platform. Other conservative Democrats lost as well,
Speaker 1: you know, because I am tired of that trope that
Speaker 1: I'm hearing from some Democrats like Kevin Newsom, that you know,
Speaker 1: we've got to we've got to get off the tranny stuff. No,
Speaker 1: you don't. There's a big New York election that proved that.
Speaker 1: And I think this is more proof that the candidate
Speaker 1: you know these these were these folks were primaried. These
Speaker 1: these folks who were doing just that, abandoning the what
Speaker 1: should be the party line about queer and trans people
Speaker 1: are being primaried out. Yeah, I love seeing it. Let's
Speaker 1: see Democrats like Seth Multon and Tom Suzi, as well
Speaker 1: as Governor Gavin Newsom, have all leaned into this idea
Speaker 1: that they need to be more moderate on trans issues.
Speaker 1: There are no trans issues. First of all, let's get
Speaker 1: that clear. There are no trans issues. They were wholly
Speaker 1: manufactured by the Republican Party. We were doing just fine
Speaker 1: without y'all. We didn't need your input whatsoever. Our medicine
Speaker 1: belongs in the hands of doctors, period, patients, parents, caregivers.
Speaker 1: It should never have been an issue. They created it.
Speaker 1: So Democrats that are stupid enough to jump on that
Speaker 1: issue deserve to be primari and I love seeing this.
Speaker 1: Let's say. Yeah, and the state in North Carolina is
Speaker 1: most prominent anti te transgender democrat fell to a progressive
Speaker 1: challenger and lost by more than forty points. Other anti
Speaker 1: transit rate leaning democrats lost their own primaries as well.
Speaker 1: Former Representative Michael Ray, who voted with Republicans to override
Speaker 1: vetos on a transgender sportsman and a youth gender affirming
Speaker 1: Caraban in twenty twenty three, attempted to reclaim his seat
Speaker 1: after losing his twenty twenty four primary by just thirty
Speaker 1: four votes. He even appealed to Republicans in his district
Speaker 1: to temporarily switch their voting registrations so they could vote
Speaker 1: for him in the Democratic primary. It didn't work, nope. Pierce,
Speaker 1: who had campaigned explicitly against Ray's record of voting with Republicans,
Speaker 1: demolished him in the rematch sixty four percent to thirty
Speaker 1: six percent. Conservatives. Democrat Carla Cunningham, who was the sole
Speaker 1: Democratic vote to override Governor Stein's veto of an ice
Speaker 1: cooperation bill and declared on the House floor that all
Speaker 1: cultures are not equal, lost our own primary to the
Speaker 1: Reverend Rodney Sadler seventy percent to twenty two percent. It's
Speaker 1: almost like these tired old Republican in middle of the
Speaker 1: road ideas don't fly anymore. Exactly, this is not what
Speaker 1: the American people want. And the more you try to
Speaker 1: convince us that it is, the matter, folks get and
Speaker 1: we're seeing the backlash in states like North Carolina. Yep,
Speaker 1: how about.
Speaker 2: It say something I'm giving up on you.
Speaker 1: I know. Anti transgender Democrats have not fared well in
Speaker 1: recent years. In twenty twenty three, Texas Democrat Sean siy
Speaker 1: voted to pass a gender firming caraban for trans youth
Speaker 1: called Transgender Girls Biological Males, argued that conversion therapy was
Speaker 1: the true solution to gender dysphoria. The following year, she
Speaker 1: lost her primary runoff to Lauren Ashley Simmons, a black
Speaker 1: queer union organizer, sixty five to thirty five percent. Similar
Speaker 1: result came in Kansas, where Democrat Marvin Robinson was the
Speaker 1: sole Democratic vote to override Laura Kelly's veto of a
Speaker 1: transgender sports fan, a vote his Democratic colleagues accused him
Speaker 1: of trading to Republicans in exchange for two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars in funding for a community gazebo. He
Speaker 1: lost his twenty twenty four primary, receiving twenty two percent
Speaker 1: of the vote. In recent years, many Democrats have tried
Speaker 1: to suggest that the party should drop transgender issues and
Speaker 1: cave to Republicans to curry votes. The Republicans don't even
Speaker 1: want this shit, right, What you'd be currying the favor
Speaker 1: of Republican politicians, not actual Republicans, right, most of them.
Speaker 1: They should stay the fuck out of it. This is
Speaker 1: despite the American public siding with Democrats on transgender issues
Speaker 1: over Republicans at a plus twenty two percent margin, according
Speaker 1: to a very recent Fox News poem. I like it, right,
Speaker 1: I like it. I like seeing it. There was lots
Speaker 1: of news just like that. I did put some numbers
Speaker 1: here mid term primary voting results. In North Carolina, six
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty six thousand, six hundred and sixty seven
Speaker 1: Republicans voted, while eight hundred and twenty four thousand, seven
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety eight Democrats voted. In the Texas primaries,
Speaker 1: the Republicans saw two million, one hundred and fifty nine thousand,
Speaker 1: while the Democrats saw two million, three hundred and twelve.
Speaker 2: Fortunately, not enough of those voted for Jasmin Crockett. Not
Speaker 2: Jasmin Crockett is all I know, right right?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I'm sure we haven't heard the
Speaker 1: last from her.
Speaker 2: She was the first politician I sent money to besides Obama.
Speaker 1: There you go. I mean, I love listening to her,
Speaker 1: her clarity, her fearlessness, in her words, amazing, she's smart
Speaker 1: as hell.
Speaker 2: One thing about her loss, Oh, it brought out all
Speaker 2: of the massage noir of course, from every side, women, men,
Speaker 2: white people, black.
Speaker 1: People, absolutely absolutely well. And here's the thing. That was
Speaker 1: a statewide race. Her seat in the House was not
Speaker 1: that was you know, district right that I believed before this,
Speaker 1: before this was Jerrymander, you know too in her favor.
Speaker 1: Let's say that, right, This was the entire state of
Speaker 1: Texas voting. So are we surprised?
Speaker 2: Not really, I mean it was still a close.
Speaker 1: Race, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I saw the numbers she had,
Speaker 1: you know, ninety much percent of black voters, right, But
Speaker 1: it was the other ones. Every other race trended in
Speaker 1: his direction.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: White voters and Asian voters and Latino voters all went
Speaker 1: his way. So that's how, Yeah, if there was a
Speaker 1: little more equality in that direction, it justly could have one.
Speaker 2: How they tried to paint her as uneducated, as ghetto,
Speaker 2: you know, and it's like, oh, y'all.
Speaker 1: Name a black woman that they haven't tried to paint
Speaker 1: that way. Oh, I know, But it's like Katanji Katanji
Speaker 1: Brown Jackson they tried to paint in said light.
Speaker 2: Oh, I know, but they just they it just it,
Speaker 2: they just really coming for her. And it's because she
Speaker 2: was more colloquial in her speech. But no less clear,
Speaker 2: no younger, no less pointed, no less backed up by
Speaker 2: facts and information.
Speaker 1: Right, you know, everyone doesn't find that charming. Some people
Speaker 1: find that scary as fuck, obviously, right.
Speaker 2: I loved it. That's one of the things I loved
Speaker 2: about her.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh that her many of her speeches gave
Speaker 1: me a little hope, right, like, oh, thank god we
Speaker 1: still have voices like hers.
Speaker 2: Like I feel like we would have been besties if
Speaker 2: we hadn't known each.
Speaker 1: Other, right right now. I love her voice. I love
Speaker 1: her again, her clarity, her take on things. I certainly
Speaker 1: I don't think this is the end of us hearing
Speaker 1: from her at all. And you know, it is a
Speaker 1: shame that she didn't win that one, Yeah it is.
Speaker 1: But you know this is when you, you know, include
Speaker 1: the whole state, no matter how popular a representative might
Speaker 1: be in their area or their district, right, that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean they can carry the state. And you know, again,
Speaker 1: it's fucking Texas, fucking Texas well, right, I mean, you
Speaker 1: know it's Texas. Texan's going to Texas well, right, we
Speaker 1: still have this idea that maybe maybe there's this purple
Speaker 1: thing happening there. Uh, maybe there is. We'll see.
Speaker 2: Texas is a big state.
Speaker 1: It's a very big state. And yeah, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: look at their governor. I would love to see that
Speaker 1: governor no longer a governor so that they could maybe
Speaker 1: replace that attorney general, right, because they have overstepped in
Speaker 1: breathtaking ways. But you know, it's like Desanti's winning a
Speaker 1: second term in Florida. What the fuck?
Speaker 2: People?
Speaker 1: How much do you need to and why do you
Speaker 1: get off on seeing fellow citizens tortured for no reason? Why?
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a good ask question, isn't it Tale's
Speaker 1: oldest time. So, yes, she did not prevail, but she
Speaker 1: very much has an important voice regardless. True that this
Speaker 1: was fun, Tim Walls, Nancy Mayce tried to do a
Speaker 1: little gotcha with Tim Walls.
Speaker 2: She tried it, She tried it.
Speaker 1: So Tim Walls smacks down Nancy Mays's attempt to turn
Speaker 1: a fraud hearing into a debate about trans people as
Speaker 1: one does, right.
Speaker 2: And he was basically, what we're not going to do ah.
Speaker 1: You know, he did point out that the kids in
Speaker 1: his state are doing a hell of a lot better
Speaker 1: than the kids in her state. She is a Republican,
Speaker 1: of course, from South Carolina. Of course she I believe self.
Speaker 1: Des describes as a proud transfobe. Representative Nancy Mays asked
Speaker 1: Minnesota Governor Tim Walls to define what a woman is
Speaker 1: while questioning him in a hearing today in front of
Speaker 1: the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. Walls refused to
Speaker 1: do so, saying I'm not here to be your prop
Speaker 1: for your obsession. That part, Oh my god, I loved it.
Speaker 1: The Republican led committee ostensibly summoned Walls to discuss mass
Speaker 1: welfare fraud allegations that have occurred in his state. Minnesota's
Speaker 1: Attorney General, Keith Ellison, is currently prosecuting about one hundred
Speaker 1: individuals who stole hundreds of millions of taxpayer funds by
Speaker 1: setting up companies that build state agencies for services they
Speaker 1: never provided. However, in his opening statement, Walls said the
Speaker 1: people of Minnesota have been singled out and targeted by
Speaker 1: political retribution at an on paralleled scale, which is true,
Speaker 1: including blocking medicaid reimbursements to our state. Wow, the Trump
Speaker 1: administration blocked two hundred and sixty million dollars in Medicaid
Speaker 1: funding to the state, straining medical providers and poorer patients statewide.
Speaker 1: Yes they did, Yeah, they did. While the federal government
Speaker 1: has said it will release the funds only after Minnesota
Speaker 1: submits and implements a comprehensive corrective action plan to address fraud, waste,
Speaker 1: and abuse, Minnesota has sued, alleging that the congressionally approved
Speaker 1: funds are being withheld illegally and are punishing elderly, disabled
Speaker 1: and veteran patients who rely on Medicare funded community providers
Speaker 1: for care. Let me be clear, in Minnesota, if you
Speaker 1: defraud public programs, if you steal taxpayer money, we'll find you.
Speaker 1: We'll prosecute you, We'll convict you, and will throw you
Speaker 1: in jail, Walls said in his opening statement. While sitting
Speaker 1: near Ellison. During questioning, Mace asked Walls if he had
Speaker 1: learned anything from his experience testifying in front of the
Speaker 1: committee in January. Walls replied, I did. I learned that
Speaker 1: if I didn't speak up, two of my people would
Speaker 1: be dead. Congresswoman, and I warned you, ooh yeah, he's referring,
Speaker 1: of course, to Renee Good and Alex Pretty, who were
Speaker 1: killed by federal immigration agents in Minneapolis. Yes, sure, yep,
Speaker 1: Mace replied by asking what is a woman? This was
Speaker 1: her answer, right.
Speaker 2: Desperate?
Speaker 1: Did you learn that lesson? Do you know what a
Speaker 1: woman is? Walls answered, I'm the governor of Minnesota. Congresswoman,
Speaker 1: I'm not here to be your prop for your obsession.
Speaker 1: So if you can't define what a woman is, you
Speaker 1: certainly can't define what fraud is.
Speaker 2: Good God, I'm not playing with you, little girl.
Speaker 1: She's a mass. She's a mass. Later in the questioning,
Speaker 1: she wrote various monetarium percentage figures on a whiteboard and
Speaker 1: began questioning Walls about them. When Walls refused once again
Speaker 1: to be her prop, she accused him of not being
Speaker 1: able to answer basic math questions about fraud in his state.
Speaker 1: He then asked her where her state ranked in terms
Speaker 1: of fraud. Public rankings of fraud in each state vary
Speaker 1: due to the many different types of fraud. Did you
Speaker 1: do you even care about kids in Minnesota? She said, oh,
Speaker 1: they ranked near the top and every category. Wall said,
Speaker 1: where does South Carolina rank? My children are fed, My
Speaker 1: children are housed, my children have healthcare, My children have
Speaker 1: the best schools. Of course, we know. South Carolina frequently
Speaker 1: ranks in the bottom quartile of child well being. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thirty eighth overall in the twenty twenty five Kids Count
Speaker 1: data book for child wellbeing.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah.
Speaker 1: They consistently rank poorly in areas like education forty third,
Speaker 1: childcare forty fifth, and general family safety. Often cited as
Speaker 1: one of the worst states to raise a family.
Speaker 2: Which sucks because we happen to know several South Carolinians
Speaker 2: who are raising a family and doing quite well they are.
Speaker 1: But by the same measure, Minnesota ranks fifth best in
Speaker 1: the US for overall child wellbeing. Yeah, so maybe Mace
Speaker 1: is nothing but a lying hypocrite. Uh huh who is
Speaker 1: fixated on trans women?
Speaker 2: But what about but but it's like no little grind
Speaker 2: playing with you.
Speaker 1: I like his succinct answer, yep, I do. It made
Speaker 1: me happy. This was fun.
Speaker 2: Oh. The headline reads a surprising thing happens when conservatives
Speaker 2: are forced to watch real news, study finds huh. I
Speaker 2: found this particularly interesting. Podcaster Lucas Bean has been investigating
Speaker 2: the Trump cult for some time now on his YouTube
Speaker 2: and TikTok channels, and his findings, while unsurprising, are proving
Speaker 2: valuable in light of the administration's recent warmonger okay calling
Speaker 2: on a study done by UC Berkeley and Yale, Bean's
Speaker 2: recent video shows us what happens when you stop mainlining
Speaker 2: the propaganda and start engaging with actual journalistic reporting. The findings,
Speaker 2: while hopeful in some areas, are definitely a mixed bag.
Speaker 2: In a study conducted in twenty twenty two, political scientists
Speaker 2: found that when devoted Fox News viewers were exposed to
Speaker 2: CNN for just a month, their critical thinking skills sharpened,
Speaker 2: leading them to be less susceptible to conspiracy theories and
Speaker 2: right wing propaganda. Of the seven hundred and sixty three
Speaker 2: Republicans in the survey, the majority of them white men
Speaker 2: over fifty, they found that after just a month, even
Speaker 2: the most stubborn, most anti LGBTQ plus conservatives started to
Speaker 2: see good sense after watching traditional news reporting that didn't
Speaker 2: force viewers to draw partisan conclusions imagine right. These viewers
Speaker 2: were paid fifteen dollars an hour to watch CNN during
Speaker 2: prime time and were quizzed weekly to make sure they
Speaker 2: were actually doing their homework and surprise, surprise. It didn't
Speaker 2: take long for their views to start changing. They stopped
Speaker 2: assuming that reports of Biden's quote unquote stolen election were accurate,
Speaker 2: They became less paranoid about voting by mail, and they
Speaker 2: became more critical of Trump's policies. One month, Lucas Bean reports,
Speaker 2: that's all it took to start breaking through decades of propaganda.
Speaker 1: How about it? How about it?
Speaker 2: Right, It's like when you're actually dealing with facts and
Speaker 2: real people instead of buzz words and AI videos. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that wiring in your brain changes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's almost like not allowing things like Fox News
Speaker 1: to exist in the first place was a really good policy.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised they still let them use the word news.
Speaker 1: I am too, because it isn't.
Speaker 2: They had to legally stop saying they were news. They
Speaker 2: had to say they were entertainment.
Speaker 1: I know, but they still call themselves news. The study
Speaker 1: was the result of a hypothesis by UC Berkeley's David
Speaker 1: Brookman and Yale's Josh Calla that conservative news outlets were
Speaker 1: either under reporting or misreporting Trump's many first term failures.
Speaker 1: In the fall of twenty twenty, Trump had majorly bungled
Speaker 1: the response to COVID, creating a surge of voter dissatisfaction
Speaker 1: that led voters to elect Joe Biden. Fox News viewers,
Speaker 1: of course, were encouraged to believe that the results of
Speaker 1: the election were stolen. But as the study revealed, the
Speaker 1: more you watched heavily slanted part as the news outlets,
Speaker 1: the more you're likely to swallow the propaganda on offer,
Speaker 1: no matter how ludicrous it might appear.
Speaker 2: Right, if you keep shoveling shit into your gullet, you're
Speaker 2: going to start developing a taste for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not turning them into an MSNBC or CNN audience,
Speaker 1: Bruckman said of the study, But they start to realize,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Trump isn't doing as good a job
Speaker 1: on handling the coronavirus as I thought. They start to
Speaker 1: be aware of some new information and they're not just
Speaker 1: rejecting it as fake news. They're saying, I still like Trump,
Speaker 1: but maybe he could do a better job at this.
Speaker 1: That's something right, right.
Speaker 2: However, there's a depressing catch here. The storys After the
Speaker 2: study ended, reviewers reverted to their old habits, and their
Speaker 2: old partisan views snapped right back into place. The fear
Speaker 2: came back, the lies came back, the loyalty came back.
Speaker 2: Being explains again, it's not exactly a shock, but it
Speaker 2: does demonstrate how powerful propaganda can be when it's disguised
Speaker 2: as old fashioned common.
Speaker 1: Sense, right, and that is a disguise.
Speaker 2: Yes, one month of reality wasn't enough to break the
Speaker 2: Fox News machine, and a poll in twenty twenty three
Speaker 2: found that a majority of Republicans held on to their
Speaker 2: beliefs about Biden stealing the election, despite having zero evidence
Speaker 2: to prove it.
Speaker 1: Right. If anyone stole an election, well it wasn't Biden.
Speaker 1: So how can we hope to break people out of
Speaker 1: the Trump cult? The good news is people already seem
Speaker 1: to be doing that of their own accord, even with
Speaker 1: Fox News spinning its propaganda steadily. The reality is that
Speaker 1: Trump troops are already breaking ranks, with major figures like
Speaker 1: Megan Kelly, Nick Fuentes, and Alex Jones suddenly turning on
Speaker 1: the once worshiped figure. And if those people can break
Speaker 1: away from the Trump cult, there's hope for everyone, and
Speaker 1: we are seeing more and more of them. None of
Speaker 1: them wanted to go to war. They did believe in
Speaker 1: this whole America first, saying, even though that was always
Speaker 1: a joke where this one was concerned, they are turning
Speaker 1: on him left, right, and sideways and good. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I have so much good news. I want to take
Speaker 1: a break and come back and talk about more of that. Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll be right back, and we're back.
Speaker 2: We're bad.
Speaker 1: You know. That's one more story that leaves me to ponder,
Speaker 1: how do we repair the relationships destroyed, you know, by propaganda,
Speaker 1: lies and utter nonsense, And.
Speaker 2: Can they be repaired? I don't know, because there's a
Speaker 2: lot of people that are like, you know, I encourage
Speaker 2: you to have a change of heart. I you know,
Speaker 2: can forgive you, but that in the sense of like, yeah, but.
Speaker 1: Only if you acknowledge it. First of all, you know,
Speaker 1: they would have to acknowledge you know, Hey, I joined
Speaker 1: a cult for a while.
Speaker 2: Well, right, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I believed megalize about people I love and should know
Speaker 1: better and like, but how does that even happen?
Speaker 2: Well, there are people that are having these these changes
Speaker 2: of heart and come to Jesus moments, and people in
Speaker 2: their lives are like, that's cute and all, but your repentance,
Speaker 2: your change behavior needs to be at least as long
Speaker 2: as the amount of time you tortured us with your.
Speaker 1: Bullshit exactly exactly, So until then, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I have someone in mind as I asked that question, right,
Speaker 1: who you know, the closest person to me biologically anyway? Right,
Speaker 1: you know, escorted themselves out of my life based on
Speaker 1: a whole string of lies, right, and believing them, you know,
Speaker 1: and believing them and I was the problem. And I
Speaker 1: just I'd love to know what the way back is,
Speaker 1: if there ever is one.
Speaker 2: Well, because I think of do O Hughgley when he said,
Speaker 2: your apology needs to be as loud as your action.
Speaker 1: How about it?
Speaker 2: So you need to this you're a true apology and
Speaker 2: I've been saying this. A true apology looks like sustained
Speaker 2: changed behavior, agreed, And that sustained change behavior needs to
Speaker 2: last at least as long as the offense before we
Speaker 2: talk about reconciliation. I can forgive you, I can say
Speaker 2: I forgive you, but that doesn't mean you're allowed at
Speaker 2: my house for thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: Right, forgiveness does not necessarily mean we forget exactly, or yeah,
Speaker 1: or change the boundaries, right, Yeah, I certainly don't have
Speaker 1: an answer to it, but I really do wonder. Let's
Speaker 1: let's just say sanity ultimately prevails. I have midterm elections
Speaker 1: and they go the way pretty much all of us
Speaker 1: know that they will, right and should. So let's say
Speaker 1: that the Democrats take over the House and the Senate.
Speaker 1: You know that that will be a sea change, and
Speaker 1: of course this, you know, I think impeachment follows immediately.
Speaker 1: I think they all know that. I think that's you know,
Speaker 1: part of the chaos being sent our way. But let's say,
Speaker 1: just let's just for a moment, say we wind up
Speaker 1: in a sane world again, right, all the damage that
Speaker 1: one person did well, and all the people that supported
Speaker 1: it and made money from it, and all the people
Speaker 1: that you know, produce things like Fox News, I mean,
Speaker 1: all the families that have been destroyed, and I know several,
Speaker 1: do we ever find common ground? The question?
Speaker 2: It is a question, and I think it behooves us
Speaker 2: to resist the temptation to be sore winners.
Speaker 1: Right, that's fair, that's fair, But they're you know, it's
Speaker 1: harder because they are very sore winners. Well, they are
Speaker 1: the most miserable group of people, even when they're in
Speaker 1: charge of everything. Right, they are still bitterly unhappy and
Speaker 1: constantly attacking people who've never done a thing to them.
Speaker 1: That's what they do, that's their thing, right, And it's like,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, so it's incumbent on us to be nice
Speaker 1: about it, right, Okay, I'll try, assuming it happens, I'll try, right,
Speaker 1: I'll try to be gracious.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like all of a sudden, all their problems
Speaker 2: weren't mysteriously taken away because the guy they voted for
Speaker 2: who promised these things got into office.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna say this. We hadn't recovered from
Speaker 1: the damage Saint Reagan did to this country before Trump
Speaker 1: got elected. We had never fully returned to sanity. Right,
Speaker 1: there's still shit.
Speaker 2: We were the closest we'd ever been during Obama's administration.
Speaker 1: Yes we were, but he still couldn't get done everything
Speaker 1: he wanted to do because once again, the American people
Speaker 1: are fickle as fuck and racist as fuck. And you know,
Speaker 1: the midterms and they actively wiped away as a bill
Speaker 1: to do much of anything. And we had Mitch McConnell promising.
Speaker 2: Right, they were going to block everything he wanted to.
Speaker 1: Do, no matter what it was, no matter how good
Speaker 1: it might be for the American people because he said it,
Speaker 1: we reject it, right, and they took away his Supreme
Speaker 1: Court vote and got away with it.
Speaker 2: He could have said, I'm going to personally visit every
Speaker 2: home in the country and hand you fifty dollars cash
Speaker 2: and a puppy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they took away Nope, his vote and a vote
Speaker 1: that you know should have been Biden's. It's gross. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really gross. But you know, they don't play fair anymore,
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, as we move forward, we've
Speaker 1: got to just be really well aware of that. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want Democrats to continue to play fair. I would
Speaker 1: love to see a third party emerge, right, you know,
Speaker 1: but that has to start from the ground up. That
Speaker 1: can't We can't do that during in the middle of
Speaker 1: a national election.
Speaker 2: We should already be hearing about these parties so that
Speaker 2: when the election comes around, oh, we have like candidates
Speaker 2: from these third parties that are making away. But folks
Speaker 2: don't want to start getting mad and putting their fist
Speaker 2: in the air until like October third.
Speaker 1: And shit, Yeah, I know, it's an interesting time to
Speaker 1: be alive, I guess. But you know, the damage that
Speaker 1: Trump has done. I don't know if we ever recover
Speaker 1: from and maybe it is time for somebody else on
Speaker 1: the globe to take the reins and be the superpower,
Speaker 1: because we sure as hell have sucked it up left
Speaker 1: right and say well so, yeah, maybe somebody else will
Speaker 1: do a better job. Maybe somebody else can do a
Speaker 1: more peaceful job. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Again, when Germany is the voice of reason, I know,
Speaker 2: I hear you, and they have been well, they.
Speaker 1: Learned from their mistakes, at least in part overall, you know,
Speaker 1: where we have these jackasses who really don't grasp what
Speaker 1: that even was walking around with swastickers. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: because our education system is abysmal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ms Merkle. She was the leader of the free
Speaker 2: world like back in the day.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, and had no stomach for Trump.
Speaker 2: Nope.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know where it's headed. I really don't.
Speaker 1: And and I just it's a shame that we allowed this,
Speaker 1: and of course Republicans pushed for it because they've had
Speaker 1: this agenda all along.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: They feed racism, they feed sexism, they feed homophobia, they
Speaker 1: feed transphobia, and then they call us the ones who
Speaker 1: are insisting on identity politics. Leave us the fuck alone.
Speaker 1: That would be my politics, you know what, that would
Speaker 1: be my platform. Stay out of my life, right, I'll
Speaker 1: stay out of yours. But as long as you're not
Speaker 1: doing hard right, they can't, No, they can't. And it's
Speaker 1: so ironic because I'm old enough to know that they
Speaker 1: were the Party of small government. They were allegedly the
Speaker 1: party of less government interference, the party of more freedoms.
Speaker 1: And you know America first, remember that that went away
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ in months, right.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking about there's a woman we've been
Speaker 2: following on on social media, Sonya Norwood.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, she is making her stuff for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, she is a I just told her online.
Speaker 2: I said, you're my favorite kind of person. You are fabulous,
Speaker 2: you are smart, and you are silly as hell. So
Speaker 2: during Black History we discovered her because she was resurrecting
Speaker 2: forgotten uh I think she called them, yeah, lost and
Speaker 2: forgotten Black American recipes.
Speaker 1: Yes, and I made you vinegar pie.
Speaker 2: Yes, which was quite good. And I was like, well,
Speaker 2: since we're on that, here, try this, try this, try this.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I was looking bean pie is next. I'm excited
Speaker 1: about being I already know I like bean pie. Well,
Speaker 1: then then we go.
Speaker 2: But I was looking into her other content and she
Speaker 2: had posted this video. It was it was a story
Speaker 2: about some little itty bitty podunk spot in like Kansas
Speaker 2: or Wyoming or Kentucky or someplace where white people were
Speaker 2: building their own town for whites only, okay, And there
Speaker 2: was a guy, no culture, right, there was a guy
Speaker 2: who was like, you know, how come black people don't
Speaker 2: ever think to do this? Like, if if y'all ever
Speaker 2: did this, we would support it, we would encourage it.
Speaker 2: And then the rest of the video was her talking
Speaker 2: about every historically, like let's go back to Oklahoma, right,
Speaker 2: every black town and settlement in Central Park, right that
Speaker 2: rose to any kind of prominence and was completely self
Speaker 2: sustained and and you know, thriving on the black dollar.
Speaker 2: And that's it, right, And how long it took before
Speaker 2: white folks were like, we get and then destroyed it
Speaker 2: in some.
Speaker 1: Capacity, we must burn it down.
Speaker 2: Yes, the common thread was fire water, right, Yeah, all
Speaker 2: the elements, basically.
Speaker 1: All the elements, okay.
Speaker 2: Like first of course, you talked about you know, Tulsa,
Speaker 2: Black Wall Street. Then she talked about village. She talked
Speaker 2: about Seneca Village and how that became Central Park and
Speaker 2: all these other places that I didn't know about where
Speaker 2: they were like, you know, flooded or they the people
Speaker 2: the government knew that there was like a flood coming
Speaker 2: into the area, and they conveniently forgot to tell the
Speaker 2: black people in this town.
Speaker 1: Isn't that the ninth word?
Speaker 2: And they got flooded out?
Speaker 1: I mean they told them, but no, that was still.
Speaker 2: That was conveniently not bothering to upgrade the levee system.
Speaker 1: It was still water, right, and it still ain't what
Speaker 1: it was correct right right.
Speaker 2: So it's you know, that whole thing about we'll support
Speaker 2: black people if you know, you decide to pull yourself
Speaker 2: up by your bootstraps quote unquote and find your own
Speaker 2: your own towns and things.
Speaker 1: That's bullshit his history, I know, unless you look like
Speaker 1: you figured it out and you're succeeding. And uh, that
Speaker 1: bothers us, not me, But yeah, it does bather bothers
Speaker 1: out of a lot of white people, uh, to the
Speaker 1: point of genocide. But what else was Oklahoma? Truly?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 1: Yeah? How about it? How about it? How do we
Speaker 1: get there? Well, you were saying we were following her,
Speaker 1: and you know she has she was talking about this
Speaker 1: little podunktwn. She's in Texas by the way.
Speaker 2: Oh, that explains the accent.
Speaker 1: She was talking about this little podunk white town and
Speaker 1: whye don't black.
Speaker 2: People do this?
Speaker 1: Well, every time black people do that.
Speaker 2: But how do we get there?
Speaker 1: You'll destroy it?
Speaker 2: Oh, minding your own business?
Speaker 1: Is that how we got there? Yes, okay, that's how
Speaker 1: we got I didn't even know. I did say my
Speaker 1: mind's your business, there's my politics, right, stay out of
Speaker 1: my life. All that to say, yeah, you know I,
Speaker 1: to me, it should not be such a radical proposition
Speaker 1: that I fucking know myself better than you ever can
Speaker 1: anyone else. And you know, I have known who I
Speaker 1: was since I was a small child, as most of
Speaker 1: us do. And I knew that I was trans. I
Speaker 1: didn't have the word. I mean, I have had the word,
Speaker 1: but I knew how I was. I knew it was
Speaker 1: in no way congruent to what they were trying to sell.
Speaker 1: And that's true for all of us, all of us.
Speaker 1: And so you know, it boggles my mind that people
Speaker 1: can look around and say that they know themselves, their
Speaker 1: minds are sound right, But because I'm different from them,
Speaker 1: because I function differently because I am somehow something they
Speaker 1: can't comprehend, which is bullshit. I just I don't deserve
Speaker 1: to live, right, Like what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it don't make no sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I would love to get back to live
Speaker 1: and let live as a as a thing. And that
Speaker 1: was a Republican thing, right, that was a Republican thing?
Speaker 2: Or is James Brown said, don't start? Well? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: So, and I'm going to make a bean pie that
Speaker 1: came out of that whole conversation too. I bought the
Speaker 1: pie crust. I don't. I don't. I should make some
Speaker 1: pie crust at some point, but it's been a minute
Speaker 1: because I discovered pre made pie cross and I went,
Speaker 1: it's not any worse than I mean, it's as good
Speaker 1: as mine as far as I'm concerned, right, and it
Speaker 1: you know, I take it out of the refrigerator when
Speaker 1: I want to make a bye. So anyway, but I
Speaker 1: have the navy beans. She's amazing. We should link to
Speaker 1: her content.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: She would be a fun conversation.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, she would be.
Speaker 1: A really fun conversation and we could talk about recipes
Speaker 1: and whatever else she wanted to talk about.
Speaker 2: I'm down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, she's fabulous. Sonya, nor would anytime, anytime, anytime,
Speaker 1: we need to have that conversation. That would be a blast.
Speaker 1: Moving on, trans Girl Scouts have sold in excess of
Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty thousand boxes of cookies in a
Speaker 1: public outpouring of support. It's the highest in the history
Speaker 1: of Erin in the Mornings Trans Girl Scout Cookie List.
Speaker 1: She's been doing this for a bit five years ago,
Speaker 1: as the legislation first began spreading. Aaron started this. She
Speaker 1: started thinking about the trans kids caught in the middle
Speaker 1: of all this nonsense, transgender children suddenly facing a wave
Speaker 1: of hostility simply for existing, And that year she started
Speaker 1: something small in response, a trans Girl Scout cookie list.
Speaker 1: At that point, she only had three Scouts on the list,
Speaker 1: and the Internet responded immediately, helping them sell out their
Speaker 1: entire quota. And every year since the list has been
Speaker 1: made again again Aaron Reid, and every year it has
Speaker 1: grown larger. I want to sit down and talk to
Speaker 1: Aaron Reid too. I just I feel like she's too
Speaker 1: busy trying to protect all of us, But I really
Speaker 1: would love to sit and have a conversation with Aaron Reid.
Speaker 2: We missed the girl Scout cookie window didn't we I
Speaker 2: did we entirely? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know either.
Speaker 2: But if we.
Speaker 1: Didn't, I want something because last year I got to
Speaker 1: go next door.
Speaker 2: I know, last year we bought from our next door
Speaker 2: neighbor's daughter. You can't go knock on the door well
Speaker 2: because it was we had someone snow.
Speaker 1: But if we didn't miss it. Anyway, that's that's what
Speaker 1: you think of the Skout cookies. That's where you're going. Yeah, anyway.
Speaker 1: The list included two hundred and twenty transgender Girl Scouts participating,
Speaker 1: and together they have already sold more than three hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty thousand boxes of cookies, and the number is
Speaker 1: climbing by the minute. One Scout hoping to fund a
Speaker 1: troop trip to Alaska April twelve. Okay, so you can
Speaker 1: knock next door right, Yes, sold twenty five hundred boxes
Speaker 1: of cookies. Anyway, This is cool. This is a wonderful response.
Speaker 1: You know, this is a way that people can enjoy
Speaker 1: wonderful Girl Scout cookies and take a stand, you know,
Speaker 1: and say I do support trans kids and say you know,
Speaker 1: it's not my business, and say they deserve to live
Speaker 1: and thrive. Just like anyone else. So I think it's amazing.
Speaker 1: I think I love that it keeps growing. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's one more example. And I use this in talks,
Speaker 1: but we've used it here. God knows how many times
Speaker 1: when you are feeling lost and dejected, look to the responses,
Speaker 1: look to how folks are responding. And this is just
Speaker 1: one way you know that people are showing that they
Speaker 1: support you know, trans girls. It's amazing, it's a great cause.
Speaker 1: And they're delicious cookies. Love them, right, Yeah, And it
Speaker 1: sends a powerful message that hates not going to ultimately win.
Speaker 1: So you have until April what April twelve, April twelfth,
Speaker 1: until April twelfth, and we'll link to Aaron's list erin
Speaker 1: in the morning, and you can still buy Girl Scout
Speaker 1: cookies from the atreans Girl Scout and send a message.
Speaker 2: Lemonades and thin mints.
Speaker 1: A good one, they're yours. Yes, I love caramel delights.
Speaker 2: I also love those and the.
Speaker 1: Peanut butter one. Yes, the peanut butter sandwich cookies are
Speaker 1: probably my favorite ist ever. I love those.
Speaker 2: Me too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all good. Yeah, they'll buy some Girls Cut cookies. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: one doesn't like Girl Scout cookies exactly. And I love
Speaker 1: that this is happening. I love that Aaron Reid keeps
Speaker 1: doing it. And more than three hundred and thirty thousand,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that number is now this
Speaker 1: is probably a week old, but good on everyone, I'm
Speaker 1: too lazy to look it up. Moving on. This is
Speaker 1: out of the New York Times. The New York Attorney
Speaker 1: General has ordered Nyu Langon to resume youth transgender care.
Speaker 2: Yeh good, good good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Nyu was the latest among many who were
Speaker 1: willing to capitulate to Trump's whims that have no basis
Speaker 1: in science or reality. And they close their transgender youth
Speaker 1: health program, jeopardizing the life and well being of many
Speaker 1: children because the federal government threatened to pull federal funding
Speaker 1: from hospitals that provided gender transition treatments for adolescens. Yeah. However,
Speaker 1: in a letter to the hospital as, a senior official
Speaker 1: in the Attorney General's office raised the question of whether
Speaker 1: n Yu Langoun's action violated New York's anti discrimination laws
Speaker 1: by barring a single category of patients from receiving medications
Speaker 1: that others could access. That official, Darsana Srinivasan, oh, thank you.
Speaker 1: Who leads the office's healthcare bureau, wrote in the letter
Speaker 1: that puberty blockers and hormone treatments remained available to pediatric
Speaker 1: patients who were not transgender. Uh huh. New York state
Speaker 1: laws prohibit discrimination based on a patient's membership and a
Speaker 1: protected class, she wrote. The letter states that the Attorney
Speaker 1: General's Office had received several complaints from patients and their
Speaker 1: families regarding this decision. You are hereby advised to immediately
Speaker 1: resume all service office rings as they had before the
Speaker 1: change in policy, and to make medically necessary puberty blocking
Speaker 1: medications and hormone therapies available for patients under nineteen who
Speaker 1: are diagnosed with gender dysphoria. It say February twenty fifth letter.
Speaker 1: It was addressed to Nyu Langun's top lawyer, and it
Speaker 1: instructs the hospital to notify the Attorney General's Office that
Speaker 1: it had complied within ten days work. Yeah, of course,
Speaker 1: my lingoon declined to comment.
Speaker 2: Shocker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the office, of course of Letitia James,
Speaker 1: the Attorney General.
Speaker 3: Ha.
Speaker 1: I know who is another black woman I am in
Speaker 1: love with?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Who ain't afraidio?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: It left them in a difficult position. Of course, you know,
Speaker 1: this is an ugly mess of things, but it's healthcare.
Speaker 1: It's healthcare, and I'm like you, lingo. And of course
Speaker 1: hosts Nancy Wristbondlanger, who is one of you know, the
Speaker 1: East Coast premiere gender firm insurgents. Not for children, of course,
Speaker 1: but you know, are you gonna what stop treating all
Speaker 1: of us?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Where's she going?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: I don't know. We're going to follow this. We'll see
Speaker 1: what happens next, and of course we'll talk about it.
Speaker 1: But that was good news that there was a swift
Speaker 1: response that said, knock it off, stop complying in advance,
Speaker 1: because they're responding to a threat. It hasn't happened. And
Speaker 1: even if it does happen, you know, then shine the
Speaker 1: light on that they are willing to They're willing to
Speaker 1: fuck with cancer research. They've done it. They're willing to
Speaker 1: screw with anyone who doesn't feed their their ridiculous ideology.
Speaker 1: And yet they call us the ones that haven't I
Speaker 1: a gender ideology? What the is gender ideology?
Speaker 2: By the way, good ass question? What is that I've
Speaker 2: been wondering this whole time? What is it?
Speaker 1: Y'all? Have an ideology that says I don't deserve to live.
Speaker 1: My ideology is I'd like to live. Is that gender ideology?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's not so much an ideology is just self preservation.
Speaker 1: Right, Like what you know, water's wet, Some kids are trans,
Speaker 1: some kids are queer, and those who cannot accept themselves
Speaker 1: should shut the fuck up and sit down. Seems clear
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: Right, And as my father used to always say, self
Speaker 2: preservation is the first law of nature.
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying though, you know, like, what what
Speaker 1: the fuck? What the fuck the ideology? And that's the
Speaker 1: problem with right now is the words mean nothing, you know, right,
Speaker 1: they keep lobbing them at us as weapons, the opposite
Speaker 1: of what they actually mean. Well, they do, like the
Speaker 1: pedophile thing, exactly what they accuse right us of doing.
Speaker 1: Ironies apparently still alive and well, because alive and kicking,
Speaker 1: let's talk about all the pedophiles. Yeah, there is a
Speaker 1: pedophile ring running the world. They're just not democrats. Nope,
Speaker 1: So yeah, let's deal with that. Moving on, We're going
Speaker 1: to follow that story though and see where it lands. Okay,
Speaker 1: there was an unexpected announcement that took center stage at
Speaker 1: the gala that celebrated the fiftieth anniversary of Philadelphia Gay News.
Speaker 1: You were honored at the forty ninth I well, I yes.
Speaker 1: As on their march up to their fiftieth anniversary in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, they did name the forty nine most
Speaker 1: influential leaders within the LGBTQ plus community, and I was
Speaker 1: in fact one of them.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: Anyway, they had their fiftieth anniversary gala. There is millions
Speaker 1: of dollars in funding from state and local governments on
Speaker 1: their way to benefit the Community Center and the Attic
Speaker 1: Youth Center. Not sure how they reimagine that, but they did.
Speaker 1: It's important that we continue to make forward progress, not
Speaker 1: just to stand up against the bullies, not just to
Speaker 1: fight back against the insensitivity of those who would want
Speaker 1: to whitewash our shared history, said Josh Shapiro, but rather
Speaker 1: to continue to play offense and make progress, to remember
Speaker 1: our values and live up to the vision that others
Speaker 1: have fought to create for us. The Shapiro administration has
Speaker 1: committed two million dollars toward the renovation of the Wayamway
Speaker 1: Center in Philadelphia. They will apparently remain at thirteen fifteen
Speaker 1: Spruce Street, where they have been since night ninety six.
Speaker 1: Mark Siegel said during his remarks that it will be
Speaker 1: a brand new building, larger than it is now, with
Speaker 1: forty new LGBTQ plus friendly affordable housing units for seniorears.
Speaker 1: So another iteration of the John C. Anderson apartments right
Speaker 1: above the community Center. It is estimated that there will
Speaker 1: be fifty percent more usable and accessible space with the
Speaker 1: new building. So they are tearing down a historic building
Speaker 1: to build this new building. That seems clear, even though
Speaker 1: a lot of it was ambiguous. Because I have been
Speaker 1: talking to some Philly folks about this whole thing.
Speaker 2: I know it felt like the story kept changing.
Speaker 1: Well, it does keep changing. Yeah, it's still not crystal clear.
Speaker 1: There's still some mudd in here.
Speaker 2: It's for sale, it's not it's moving, it's not right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, for the last year, very quietly, a whole
Speaker 1: group of people have been working underground. Right now. I
Speaker 1: want to thank you all for being very quiet while
Speaker 1: we've been doing it, Siegel said as he recognized co
Speaker 1: collaborators including Judge Dan Anders, Senator Nikhil Saval, Representative Ben Waxman,
Speaker 1: and councilmember Mark Squilla, as well as Dave Hooting and
Speaker 1: Laura Ryan, co chairs of the William Way Center. About
Speaker 1: a year and a half ago, we've realized our community
Speaker 1: center was in disarray, to say the least, and we
Speaker 1: wanted to do something about it, Siegel said. So, thanks
Speaker 1: to the gentlemen and women I just mentioned, we are
Speaker 1: now on the ground floor of reinventing the William Way
Speaker 1: Community Center. This has been all over the damn map,
Speaker 1: it's been. It's been a bunch of this and then
Speaker 1: the other thing. They lost their funding that was supposed
Speaker 1: to be coming through the federal government.
Speaker 2: They lost their programming. Oh look they have new programs.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, when does that happen again?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly all of that. You know. There was a
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two design that had a whole plan to it,
Speaker 1: but again that did not come to truition. The campaign
Speaker 1: did not and could not meet its funding goals. It
Speaker 1: increased costs for repairs, made the dream feel unattainable. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, one of the co chairs said, we hope
Speaker 1: in the future, as a community, we can use this
Speaker 1: opportunity to build each other up. In a very diverse community.
Speaker 1: We are stronger together. That would be nice, That would
Speaker 1: be nice, wouldn't it, Because you've got people running their
Speaker 1: mouths who on your behalf who do not speak in
Speaker 1: that regard. Good to see it happen. If it happens,
Speaker 1: it has been chaotic. But you know, I like that
Speaker 1: the announcement came. I like that Dan Andrews is involved.
Speaker 1: I like that the governor spoke because that tells me
Speaker 1: that maybe we're finally onto something that will happen. And
Speaker 1: Philadelphia certainly deserves a community center and most importantly, those
Speaker 1: archives need to be preserved.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah, many community members, of course don't want to see
Speaker 1: the building come down. They were previously concerned about a
Speaker 1: possible loss of the Pride and Progress mural, which is
Speaker 1: on the side of that building and depicts our LGBTQ
Speaker 1: plus history and Joey the property staying within the care
Speaker 1: of the queer community, and final details about the design
Speaker 1: will allegedly be decided with community input. We're going to see,
Speaker 1: We're going to see what comes next. And there is
Speaker 1: a second new partner, Help Development Corporation, and nonprofit developer
Speaker 1: that focuses solely on affordable housing, which has completed projects
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. Help Development Corporation has also finished a project
Speaker 1: that serves as a model for the new building, a
Speaker 1: Pride House in New York City which features more than
Speaker 1: eighty LGBTQ plus friendly residential units, sage offices, and a
Speaker 1: rooftop community center. The money will come from various sources,
Speaker 1: including funds already earmarked to the Center for previous renovation plans,
Speaker 1: plus other state and local resources such as housing tax credits.
Speaker 1: We're going to see, We're going to see how this
Speaker 1: Some of the money could be coming from Mayor Cherrell
Speaker 1: parkers to billion dollar housing initiative.
Speaker 2: I think it should.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too. She hopes to deliver thirty
Speaker 1: thousand affordable housing units over the next four years. So
Speaker 1: she did say at the gala that the City of
Speaker 1: Philadelphia is in full support of the building project. Cool
Speaker 1: the building has been closed or semi closed. There has
Speaker 1: been very little staff doing any damn thing. Yep, it's
Speaker 1: been a mess, and I guess we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: Governor Shapiro also committed to investing two and a half
Speaker 1: million dollars to the Attic Youth Center, which provides a
Speaker 1: gathering place, counseling and organized activities, life skills programming, and
Speaker 1: other resources to young people fourteen to twenty three in
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia area, and you were one of those beneficiaries
Speaker 1: as a young person. The money is to help the
Speaker 1: Attics serve more of our use and expand their impact
Speaker 1: all across Pennsylvania. The new executive director, Jasper Liam of
Speaker 1: the Attic Youth Center said the organization is not ready
Speaker 1: to make announcements about the funding. Their fiftieth anniversary is
Speaker 1: certainly news, and they made some news with these announcements,
Speaker 1: and I thought we should put them here in good
Speaker 1: news because indeed, if it happens, there's been a lot
Speaker 1: of bits and starts here, and yeah, precarious involved, but
Speaker 1: if it does happen, that'd be great.
Speaker 2: It would be great, It really would.
Speaker 1: The Philly Pride Visitor Center so opened its doors ahead
Speaker 1: of America's two hundred and fiftieth anniversary.
Speaker 2: And it was a big to do.
Speaker 1: It was a big to do. Philly Pride Visitors Center
Speaker 1: is on Locust Street, just off of twelve, so it's
Speaker 1: it's knocks back room basically.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just past the restaurant was the back room where
Speaker 1: the piano sat, and they rented that section out to
Speaker 1: become the Visitor Center.
Speaker 2: And that's kind of awesome, how about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It is a partnership between the Philadelphia Visitor Center,
Speaker 1: Visit Philadelphia, Visit PA, and Philadelphia Gay News. It is
Speaker 1: designed to serve as both a welcoming hub for LGBTQ
Speaker 1: plus travelers and a gateway to the community's history in
Speaker 1: a city where much of that history began. So it's
Speaker 1: cool it happened there was a ribbon cutting. Governor Shapiro
Speaker 1: against that. At a time when other states are walking
Speaker 1: away from their LGBTQ plus community, we are walking toward it.
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania is a place that is warm and welcoming for all.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I was watching all the videos and things
Speaker 2: on social media from the ribbon cutting, and it looked
Speaker 2: like everyone was there. Yeah, it was very cool. A
Speaker 2: lot of people we know.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's not really much more to say. It's
Speaker 1: open Thursday through Monday from noon to six pm. Here
Speaker 1: you go, and when you're there and stop and have
Speaker 1: a drink or lunch or dinner at Knock, which is
Speaker 1: right next door. Right with all the ugliness happening everywhere else,
Speaker 1: I love seeing that Philadelphia is still supporting and moving forward.
Speaker 2: Agreed.
Speaker 1: This next one. I think you shared.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a gay activist who wants to put up
Speaker 2: cameras for twenty four hour surveillance of the Stonewall Monuments.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: The campaign comes after the National Park Service remove the
Speaker 2: monument's pride flag in the dead of night. Last month.
Speaker 2: Michael Petrellis, an LGBTQ activist and co founding member of
Speaker 2: Act Up, launched a GoFundMe campaign for the project, wanting
Speaker 2: to raise funds for cameras to monitor the pride flag
Speaker 2: at the Stonewall National Monument. They're looking to raise five
Speaker 2: thousand dollars to purchase five cameras that are cost of
Speaker 2: one thousand dollars each and to cover the streaming costs.
Speaker 2: The cameras, he says, will be installed on private homes
Speaker 2: and small businesses around Christopher Park, a small park adjacent
Speaker 2: to the Stonewall Inn in New York Sprettage Village.
Speaker 1: He said the recent removal of the Progress pride flag
Speaker 1: at the Stonewall National Monument happened without a single private
Speaker 1: camp focused on the flagpole. His goal is to install
Speaker 1: cameras to monitor the flagpole itself as well as the
Speaker 1: entrances to Christopher Park twenty four hours a day. That way,
Speaker 1: all future visits to Christopher Park, which comprises the heart
Speaker 1: of the monument, by any federal worker, will be recorded
Speaker 1: on video that we control.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 1: None of the cameras will be installed on federal land.
Speaker 1: This way, the community always controls the streaming. Nice, according
Speaker 1: to the campaign. According to the Advocate, the owners of
Speaker 1: the stonewall in which sits right across the street from
Speaker 1: the monument and as privately owned, have not commented on
Speaker 1: the campaign or indicated whether they would allow a camera
Speaker 1: to be installed on their property. There is a GoFundMe
Speaker 1: involved in the plan. I think they're about halfway there, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, if they're going to do this kind of
Speaker 1: shit and desecrate our park, like, we'll have one film
Speaker 1: that part, we can share it. So New Jersey wants
Speaker 1: comps to undergo personal biased reviews every five years.
Speaker 2: Sounds good to me.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, it really does, I say. This was published
Speaker 1: on March the fourth in Short News. I stayed out
Speaker 1: of the comment section of this one.
Speaker 2: Oh it's best that you do, I'm guessing.
Speaker 1: Sender. Angela McKnight's proposal aims to identify extremist ties and
Speaker 1: prevent discriminatory policing. A new bill in the New Jersey
Speaker 1: Senate would require all state, county, and municipal police departments
Speaker 1: to regularly vet law enforcement officers for signs of personal
Speaker 1: bias or extremist affiliations, part of a growing statewide push
Speaker 1: to strengthen accountability and rebuild public trust in policing. Uh huh,
Speaker 1: I like it sounds good to be is Senate Bill
Speaker 1: s one seven nine four. It mandates a personal bias
Speaker 1: review for all law enforcement officers at hiring and every
Speaker 1: five years thereafter. It includes social media reviews and a
Speaker 1: professionally developed test designed to detect explicit and implicit bias.
Speaker 1: The Attorney General would issue statewide guidelines to implement and
Speaker 1: enforce the program.
Speaker 2: Hopefully that becomes a national model.
Speaker 1: YEAH screenings would include a review of all publicly accessible information,
Speaker 1: including social media posts or other online activity, to identify
Speaker 1: potential bias, prejudice, or links to extremist groups, and the
Speaker 1: administration of a bias identification test YEAH. The proposal seeks
Speaker 1: to ensure that officers with potential extremist sympathies or discriminate
Speaker 1: to weary views are identified early and evaluated before such
Speaker 1: beliefs influence their professional conduct. I'm just going to point
Speaker 1: out that a lot of Proud Boys are also law
Speaker 1: enforcement offices yep, at least in this nation, yep. And
Speaker 1: that is what this legislation seeks to, you know, avoid How.
Speaker 2: Come you never see the cops showing up to break
Speaker 2: up Proud Boys.
Speaker 1: Rally because they're busy in their man.
Speaker 2: For the same reason you never see Clark Kenton Superman
Speaker 2: in the same place at the same time.
Speaker 1: Pretty much, I don't I don't think this is unreasonable.
Speaker 1: Well right, I mean, you know, I'm sure we could
Speaker 1: argue that this will just make them more stealth and
Speaker 1: more cautious. But you know what, good, good good.
Speaker 2: They've been at to be too free and easy with
Speaker 2: their bullshit.
Speaker 1: Seriously seriously, and we should not be paying for their
Speaker 1: protection when they're only protecting some of us, right, and
Speaker 1: certain ideas, and not others.
Speaker 2: Because if you're only going to protect some of us,
Speaker 2: then only some of us should have to pay taxes.
Speaker 1: Well, right, I mean shit right, I think there's a
Speaker 1: swath of us that shouldn't have to pay taxes now
Speaker 1: and for the next fifty years, because what is that about?
Speaker 1: No taxation without representation. Well thank you anyway. What the
Speaker 1: hell is going on with Billy Porter?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Billy Porter. So the headline reads this from
Speaker 2: out Billy Porter says he's a walking miracle after being
Speaker 2: dead for three days? All right, what is he?
Speaker 1: Jesus No, he's dead for three days.
Speaker 2: He was suffering from sepsis, Like very seriously, this has
Speaker 2: been an ongoing thing for him.
Speaker 1: Okay, so was he in like a medically induced coma.
Speaker 2: The Post star appeared on an episode of Outlaws with
Speaker 2: Ts Madison on March fourth. Okay, shit, I'm sure that is.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna check that one out, where he explained how
Speaker 2: a terrifying bout of sepsis nearly ended his life and
Speaker 2: forced him to bow out of his role in Cabaret
Speaker 2: at the Kitcat Club in September twenty twenty five. I
Speaker 2: remember this. I knew that I checked myself into the hospital,
Speaker 2: which is Tuesday night, because I'm in so much pain.
Speaker 2: I woke up on Saturday night, he remembered. Porter went
Speaker 2: to the hospital for a quote routine check to remove
Speaker 2: a kidney stone trapped in his urethra, but it turned
Speaker 2: out that his medical condition was much more serious than
Speaker 2: he initially thought. When they got in there, there was
Speaker 2: so much poss and bile and infection behind the stone.
Speaker 2: He said, it bubbled up and I went eurosceptic in minutes.
Speaker 2: According to the Cleveland Clinic, eurocepsis is a life threatening
Speaker 2: type of sepsis that begins in your urinary tract and
Speaker 2: happens when a urinary tract infection goes untreated and spreads
Speaker 2: to your kidneys.
Speaker 1: Oof, I was on the EKMA machine.
Speaker 2: Uh huh?
Speaker 1: I was dead for three days.
Speaker 2: Say?
Speaker 1: The ekm MA is the machine that breathes for you.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It's a type of life support that pumps blood outside
Speaker 1: of the body.
Speaker 2: Yes, Achimo, extra corporeal membrane oxygenation.
Speaker 1: Yes to a heart lung machine that removes carbon dioxide
Speaker 1: and sends oxygen rich blood back into the body. And often,
Speaker 1: as I'm as I'm watching more and more of Chicago med,
Speaker 1: some folks never get off of achima once. Right, Okay,
Speaker 1: So that is what he means by being dead for
Speaker 1: three days, a machine was doing the breathing and the
Speaker 1: heart beating.
Speaker 2: The fifty six year old actor added that while he
Speaker 2: was comatose, he developed compartment syndrome where the muscles are
Speaker 2: deprived of oxygen, and the doctors had to quote cut
Speaker 2: him open on either side of his leg from his
Speaker 2: knee to his hip. Yes, and leave it open for
Speaker 2: two days so that they could save his leg.
Speaker 1: Yes, I've heard of this. Yes again, Chicago man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was dead for three days. I'm a miracle.
Speaker 2: I'm a walking miracle. Looking back on the life threatening experience,
Speaker 2: Porter said, I am so grateful to be here. It
Speaker 2: is such a gift.
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that he is still with us,
Speaker 1: of course, yes, and that he survived that. That that
Speaker 1: was some very serious stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was some very serious stuff.
Speaker 2: And everyone knows my my personal love for Billy Porter.
Speaker 2: So I am so glad to hear that he is
Speaker 2: on the road to full recovery.
Speaker 1: You're not kidding. That is good news. It is that
Speaker 1: he is doing well. Uh and may he live long
Speaker 1: and prosper. Yes, lord, mm hmmm, it's time yay for
Speaker 1: that favorite segment we like to call.
Speaker 4: Employ people taking pleasure and nine.
Speaker 2: GoAhead and.
Speaker 1: So Pam bondy uh huh.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, the House Oversight Committee voted to subpoena the Attorney
Speaker 1: General to testify about the Justice Department's handling of the
Speaker 1: case against Jeffrey Epstein and the release of its files
Speaker 1: on the matter. The twenty four to nineteen vote by
Speaker 1: the Republican led panel to force a Cabinet member to
Speaker 1: testify was a rebuke to the Trump administration.
Speaker 2: Get thee behind me, and not in the way you like.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 1: Over the objection of the Republican chairman of the committee,
Speaker 1: Representative James Comer of Kentucky, five Republicans on the Oversight
Speaker 1: Committee joined Democrats to force approval of the subpoena, which
Speaker 1: was introduced actually by Nancy Mace. Lord, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't just my head spinds these days. She offered to
Speaker 1: Bondi offered to brief members of the House Oversight Committee
Speaker 1: on the Justice Department's handling of its investigative material. That
Speaker 1: wasn't enough. They moved to force the committee to subpoena Bondi.
Speaker 1: And yeah, she don't have to testify, And I like it.
Speaker 1: I like it right right, twenty four to nineteen. It's
Speaker 1: a rebuke against the Trump administration by members of his
Speaker 1: own party at a time when the Republican control of
Speaker 1: Congress has generally marched in lockstep with him. Also the
Speaker 1: second time in the past year that Republican members of
Speaker 1: the Oversight Committee, the House's chief investigative panel, have cross
Speaker 1: party lines to force action around Epstein. Graced financier who
Speaker 1: died in federal custody in twenty nineteen, not by citizen,
Speaker 1: while facing sex trafficking charges.
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 1: It's some accountability. And weren't they supposed to have this
Speaker 1: shit to us well before?
Speaker 2: Now? Oh?
Speaker 1: Hell, yeah right, and they just haven't. So good good.
Speaker 1: A little accountability among this party is something, right.
Speaker 2: It goes a long way, but not far. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So she thought, you know that this was a never
Speaker 1: ending gravy chain and no one would, you know, hold
Speaker 1: her to task and she has been and she's yeah,
Speaker 1: she got a test by Andrews so good.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 1: I hope it's uncomfortable as hell. Also, Trump fired Christy
Speaker 1: Noom as the DHS.
Speaker 2: Naming.
Speaker 1: I mean it's it doesn't get better from here because
Speaker 1: he named Mark Wayne Mullin to replace her. So one
Speaker 1: joke is replacing another joke. But she out as Homeland
Speaker 1: Security Secretary.
Speaker 3: She's out.
Speaker 1: She will be moving to be special on voided for
Speaker 1: whatever the fuck the Shield of the Americas.
Speaker 2: Their new security they just be making it up.
Speaker 1: Is whatever that is, which no one knows she will
Speaker 1: be involved. She's the first Cabinet secretary to leave the
Speaker 1: Trump administration in the second term. The announcement comes Afternoons
Speaker 1: spent two days being grilled by lawmakers in Congress over
Speaker 1: her leadership. Uh huh mullin, Oh god is a MAGA
Speaker 1: warrior and former undefeated professional MMA fighter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's a thick necked over testosterone fool.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He highlighted Mellan's position as the only Native American
Speaker 1: in the Senate. Native American friends have been saying that's
Speaker 1: fake news too, so I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really, come on now, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: But whatever, he was a wrestler or whatever the fuck
Speaker 1: you MMA sing whatever.
Speaker 2: Anyway that means you can punch and kick to the head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've replaced one idiot with another. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: that things are going to get any better, but it's
Speaker 1: so good to see Hargo, it really is. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: may she live the life she richly deserves.
Speaker 2: Or as I said to someone today that has to
Speaker 2: involve us, I hope you enjoy the life you deserve,
Speaker 2: and I hope that it is long.
Speaker 1: Right, right. I just hope, you know, what she's done
Speaker 1: to this country maybe gets she enjoys herself. She has
Speaker 1: faced bipartisan criticism over her quote unquote leadership of the
Speaker 1: immigration enforcement surge in Minneapolis that was her, where she
Speaker 1: deployed three thousand officers and two US citizens were killed
Speaker 1: by said officers. Some of the loudest voices on the
Speaker 1: right for her resignation have come from Senators Tom Tillis
Speaker 1: of North Carolina, not running for reelection, and Lisa Murkowski
Speaker 1: of Alaska. Other Republicans have denounced non after she referred
Speaker 1: to thirty seven year old Alex Pretty shot by two
Speaker 1: border patrol agents as a domestic terrorist. Yeah, before any
Speaker 1: investigation had even begun. That's who this.
Speaker 2: Lady is. You are right, You need an ask.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, whether he gives her some other
Speaker 1: thing to do or not, this is a public humiliation
Speaker 1: she richly, richly deserves and has earned. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: only been a matter of time. He loves to fire people,
Speaker 1: and as his numbers plummet, he's look for more, more
Speaker 1: and more folks to be filed. And we're going to
Speaker 1: keep shuffling idiots. Yep, I would say, on a chessboard,
Speaker 1: But there's no chessboard involved.
Speaker 2: In any of those. Please, it ain't that deep. Folks
Speaker 2: barely checkers anyway.
Speaker 1: Both of them are feeling a little uncomfortable tonight, which
Speaker 1: I find to be a sweet example of.
Speaker 4: Employ people taking pleasure.
Speaker 1: Name Yeah, do you have a fifteen minute fave I
Speaker 1: do for this first episode of season five?
Speaker 2: I do?
Speaker 1: Okay, I hope it measures up.
Speaker 2: What is it? So? This is actually a fun song
Speaker 2: that I discovered while I was driving to work listening
Speaker 2: to music that I asked Siri to play that I
Speaker 2: would like. Okay, And the song is called de e
Speaker 2: eight and it is by Madeline. And the point of
Speaker 2: the song is that we need to spend less time
Speaker 2: in our heads on our phones criticizing ourselves, in more
Speaker 2: time living because there is going to come a time
Speaker 2: when we're dead, that is true, totally dead. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: we should spend the time that we have actually living our.
Speaker 1: Lives, all right, their I love that idea. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: So let's go out to the break.
Speaker 2: With dead or Dead by mad Line right past.
Speaker 4: Today is today, and I don't feel so great, the
Speaker 4: blood starts draining from our face, the moment that I
Speaker 4: start to think about all the things that but then
Speaker 4: a simple face comes to luck makes it all feel better,
Speaker 4: Oh so much better.
Speaker 1: Some damn gonna be dead, so dead.
Speaker 4: Time to get out of my head worry just a
Speaker 4: little bit.
Speaker 2: Less damn gonna be dead, so dead.
Speaker 4: Time for me to get out of better and face
Speaker 4: the existential dread.
Speaker 2: What do do do? Do do do?
Speaker 1: Do?
Speaker 4: Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo.
Speaker 4: I feel like nothing I'm.
Speaker 2: Doing is right.
Speaker 4: I feel like lately I'm wasting my life because I
Speaker 4: got no direction.
Speaker 2: Always I can guessing. Every day I waste a.
Speaker 4: Little more time. Maybe at the moment is coming, it's
Speaker 4: gone and everybody is moving on. I can't stop obsessing.
Speaker 4: I'm living with attention, which could be what.
Speaker 1: No, And we're back.
Speaker 2: We're back.
Speaker 1: We're going to try to plow through this as quickly
Speaker 1: as possible. Yippie kaya, it is time. It was a
Speaker 1: cavalcade of nonsense since we last recorded. Of course, Kansas
Speaker 1: has lost its ever loving, motherfucking mind right, and the
Speaker 1: state legislature, with nothing better to do, and nothing else
Speaker 1: to focus on, decided to take away the driver's license
Speaker 1: of every trans citizen in Kansas. The ACLU, of course,
Speaker 1: immediately filed suit. Jesus Christ, I know they will do
Speaker 1: anything but actually hold their pedophiles to account. They will
Speaker 1: do anything but actually put themselves in check and admit
Speaker 1: we're not the problem, right, so you know, and yet
Speaker 1: another attempt to dehumanize trans people, which is in Kansas.
Speaker 1: I believe it's seventeen eighteen hundred people who are affected.
Speaker 1: Let's see, there's so much wrong with this whole story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: trans residents across Kansas were receiving letters demanding the immediate
Speaker 1: surrender of the driver's licenses, triggered by a new law
Speaker 1: that had just gone into effect House substitute for Senate
Speaker 1: Bill two forty four, which immediately invalidated driver's licenses for
Speaker 1: transgender people and enacted what may be the harshest bathroom
Speaker 1: ban in the nation. The law and the speed at
Speaker 1: which it began impacting people left transgender Kansas scrambling and
Speaker 1: stunned commentators who were unaware of the serious escalation targeting
Speaker 1: transgender people in state. The ACLU has filed a lawsuit
Speaker 1: in Kansas State Court to block the law. If successful,
Speaker 1: the challenge could buy trans residents time to see the
Speaker 1: law overturned altogether. The lawsuit is Doe versus State of Kansas,
Speaker 1: and it was filed on February twenty seventh District Court
Speaker 1: of Douglas County by the ACLU of Kansas and others,
Speaker 1: along with to anonymous plaintiffs referred to as Daniel Doe
Speaker 1: and Matthew mo Cute, both transgender men living in Lawrence, Kansas.
Speaker 1: The complaint challenges a s B two four four on
Speaker 1: six grounds under the Kansas Constitution, alleging violations of due process,
Speaker 1: the personal autonomy, informational privacy, equal protection, freedom of expression,
Speaker 1: and the state's single subject rule. The plaintiffs are seeking
Speaker 1: a temporary restraining order to block the law immediately following
Speaker 1: a permanent injunction. The lawsuit challenges SB two forty four,
Speaker 1: which was rushed through the Kansas legislature in January. The
Speaker 1: governor vetoed the bill, of course, but the legislature overrode
Speaker 1: her veto five days later. The law is sweeping in
Speaker 1: its impact on trans people. It retroactively invalidates driver's licenses
Speaker 1: that display a gender marker reflecting a transgender person's gender identity,
Speaker 1: ordering the State Division of Vehicles to demand their surrender,
Speaker 1: which appears to have occurred on Wednesday as thousands of
Speaker 1: transgender thousands. I thought it was only seventeen hundred. I
Speaker 1: thought transgenders outgout letters demanding just that. It also bans
Speaker 1: trans people from using restrooms that match their gender identity
Speaker 1: in government buildings, a category that extends to libraries, courthouses,
Speaker 1: state parks, hospitals, and interstate rest stops, with criminal penalties
Speaker 1: including jail time. And most significantly, the bill creates a
Speaker 1: private bathroom bounty hunter provision this fucking thing, yeah, allowing
Speaker 1: anyone encountering a transgender person in a restroom, including potentially
Speaker 1: in private businesses, to sue them for large amounts of money.
Speaker 2: Sue them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and of course without ID. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: sure we know that this would mean that those folks
Speaker 1: can't vote either, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is really what it's about.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think it's fair to say this is
Speaker 1: really about one thing at this point. It's really about
Speaker 1: cruelty turtles. Well, yeah, dehumanization and cruelty. That's a gift.
Speaker 1: Side effect is not being able to vote, humiliating us
Speaker 1: in bathrooms, humiliating us by taking our driver's licenses. That's
Speaker 1: more the immediate point. It is notable that the lawsuit
Speaker 1: was filed in state court, not federal court. The United
Speaker 1: States Supreme Court has grown increasingly hostile to trans rights,
Speaker 1: allowing the Trump administrations transgender passport restrictions and state gender
Speaker 1: affirming care bands to go into effect. Filing under the
Speaker 1: Kansas constitution rather than the federal one, insulates this challenge
Speaker 1: from federal review entirely. The Kansas Supreme Court, which is
Speaker 1: likely to eventually hear the case, holds a comfortable liberal
Speaker 1: majority and has repeatedly ruled against Attorney General Kobac, who
Speaker 1: has publicly complained that the court's composition makes it very
Speaker 1: difficult for him to win cases. There is more than
Speaker 1: one way to skin a cat that wark. The state
Speaker 1: courts strategy also follows a path that has already produced
Speaker 1: results for trans people in other red states. In Montana,
Speaker 1: for instance, state courts have blocked a transgender youth healthcare ban,
Speaker 1: struck down a bathroom band, and ordered the state to
Speaker 1: issue accurate driver's licenses to transgender residents as federal cour
Speaker 1: it's become less hospitable. States constitutions may increasingly become the
Speaker 1: last line of defense. Sad but true. Yeah, trans Kanson's
Speaker 1: face a difficult choice. They can surrender their driver's licenses
Speaker 1: immediately and comply with the law, where they can hold
Speaker 1: onto them and hope that the court enjoins the state
Speaker 1: from enforcing this bullshit before they get pulled over. Driving
Speaker 1: on a revoked license carries criminal penalties, a Class B misdemeanor,
Speaker 1: punishable by up to six months in jail and one
Speaker 1: thousand dollars fine.
Speaker 2: But what if you don't have like what if you
Speaker 2: haven't undergone your name change or anything, so there's nothing
Speaker 2: conflicting on your driver's.
Speaker 1: License, then they weren't notified. They only notified the people
Speaker 1: they identify and know as trans because they've changed a
Speaker 1: gender marker in the past or their name in the past. Okay,
Speaker 1: and this tells us they are trying to track us
Speaker 1: in Kansas. If you have not changed anything, you didn't
Speaker 1: get a letter because as far as Kansas knows, you're
Speaker 1: still birth name, birth gender, so you didn't get a letter.
Speaker 1: But if like me, you've corrected it all in Kansas,
Speaker 1: I would not have a driver's license today, it would
Speaker 1: have been I would have gotten a letter that's fucking insane,
Speaker 1: thank you, punishable by up to six months in jail
Speaker 1: and one thousand dollars fine, and Kansas already requires county
Speaker 1: jails to house inmates according to sex assigned at a birth.
Speaker 1: Of course, surrendering a license may complicate their ability to
Speaker 1: obtain relief should a temporary restraining what are be issued.
Speaker 1: Numerous transgender residents have reported that they are considering leaving
Speaker 1: the state altogether, though for many that is not an option.
Speaker 1: For now, all eyes are on the Douglas County District.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: Chilling.
Speaker 1: It is chilling. It is chilling. It is completely unnecessary.
Speaker 1: It accomplishes absolutely nothing but the dehumanization of trans people.
Speaker 1: That is it, period, That's its only point. This doesn't
Speaker 1: protect anyone, This doesn't help anyone, This doesn't save anyone,
Speaker 1: and it spends taxpayer money again and again and again
Speaker 1: for no good goddamn reason. While Johnny still can't read
Speaker 1: YEP next, Texas Attorney General that ever love an ass hat,
Speaker 1: Ken Paxton says a ban on gender affirming care for
Speaker 1: trans kids also applies to talk therapy now we're not
Speaker 1: even allowed to talk to them about transition. This has
Speaker 1: no end people. Mental health care providers in Texas risk
Speaker 1: their license if they deliver care related to transitioning to miners,
Speaker 1: which I've done, by the way here in New Jersey,
Speaker 1: I've already done this. I would loose anyway. The Republican
Speaker 1: Attorney General who is running for US Senate. I hope
Speaker 1: Texans aren't that stupid, but the track record says otherwise.
Speaker 1: The day before the March third Republican primary, in which
Speaker 1: he faced incumbent Senator John Cornyn and Wesley Hunt, with
Speaker 1: neither candidate reaching the fifty percent threshold needed to avoid
Speaker 1: a May runoff, Paxston issued a letter with a legal
Speaker 1: opinion that a twenty twenty three state law barring physicians
Speaker 1: from providing gender affirming care to miners also applies to
Speaker 1: anyone licensed by the Texas Behavioral Health Executive Council. While
Speaker 1: focusing on medical procedures related to transitioning a child's biological sect, Paxton,
Speaker 1: in his opinion, you know, and I did read some
Speaker 1: of the Commons section and it said Kenny, say yes
Speaker 1: to the dress already.
Speaker 3: Oh, just saying in his.
Speaker 1: Opinion, wrote Vigel law impacts all healthcare providers in Texes.
Speaker 1: That includes psychologists, family therapists, and many social workers. That
Speaker 1: puts Paxton directly at odds with every major US medical
Speaker 1: and mental health organization. The American Medical Association has warned
Speaker 1: that state bans on transition related care represent a dangerous
Speaker 1: intrusion into medical practice and its guidance explode. Sittley includes
Speaker 1: mental health counseling and psychological support as part of gender
Speaker 1: affirming care for transgender and non binary minors. A recent
Speaker 1: Trevor Project study found that suicide attempt traits among transgender
Speaker 1: and non binary young people ages thirteen to twenty four
Speaker 1: rose by thirty eight percent to forty four percent, with
Speaker 1: the sharpest increase ranging from seven percent to seventy two
Speaker 1: percent among those under eighteen. The American Academy of Pediatrics,
Speaker 1: the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, and the
Speaker 1: American Psychological Association similarly described gender affirming care as encompassing
Speaker 1: talk therapy, family counseling, and support for social transition, and
Speaker 1: distinguish that support of care sharply from conversion therapy, which
Speaker 1: obviously this Jackal advocates, which all major professional association have
Speaker 1: condemned as harmful. It isn't just benign, It isn't just
Speaker 1: entirely one ineffective. It's dangerous. It doesn't work, it's harmful.
Speaker 2: Never has we know this, never will.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this happened when Darryl Spink's executive director of
Speaker 1: the Texas Behavioral Health Executive Council, sought clarification on whether
Speaker 1: these providers, mental health providers, behavioral health providers would be impacted,
Speaker 1: and this was the answer. Yeah, that's what's happening in Texas.
Speaker 1: Paxton wrote that any mental health provider delivering care related
Speaker 1: to transitioning risked their medical license in Texas, and institutions
Speaker 1: could lose Medicaid reimbursements and public funding for providing proper care.
Speaker 1: You hear that providing even.
Speaker 2: Care?
Speaker 1: Yeah, doing what's right is against the law in Texas.
Speaker 1: Any radical, you're the radical, you motherfucker, facilitating the transitioning
Speaker 1: of our kids is committing child abuse. No, sir, you
Speaker 1: have been committing child abuse in Texas for quite some
Speaker 1: time now. The law has made it clear that these
Speaker 1: radical procedures there aren't any happening, are illegal and in
Speaker 1: no world should Texans tax dollars be used to permanently
Speaker 1: harm children, except that's exactly what you're doing. You are
Speaker 1: permanently harming these children and their families, and they are
Speaker 1: escaping Texas as fast as they possibly fucking can. And
Speaker 1: I guess that's what you want till the next crop
Speaker 1: of trans Texans are born, right, because they will be you, Jackal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that happened. That happened, ken packs and this tripling down.
Speaker 1: So I want to point out this next piece is
Speaker 1: from People magazine. Okay. The headline reads, oh boy, Trump says,
Speaker 1: I guess Americans should worry about Iran retaliating on US soil.
Speaker 1: Like I said, some people will die, People Magazine. This
Speaker 1: is when Trump was questioned about the unfolding war with
Speaker 1: Iran for a Time cover story. I guess he reiterated
Speaker 1: that lives will be lost amid the unfolding military conflict
Speaker 1: with Iran. In this new cover story for Time. Asked
Speaker 1: whether Americans should worry about being attacked on US soil,
Speaker 1: he acknowledged the possibility, saying I guess. The remarks came
Speaker 1: days after six US service members were killed in a
Speaker 1: retaliatory drone strike abroad. How about it.
Speaker 2: That is not the answer a president gives to a question.
Speaker 1: Well, this is not a president. This is a charlatan,
Speaker 1: This is a grifter, This is a convicted felon. This
Speaker 1: is a pedophile who has openly told us all he
Speaker 1: wanted to fuck his own daughter. You know, the fact that.
Speaker 2: They didn't have pineapple lemonade. Will strawberry lemonade work? I
Speaker 2: guess that's the level of question you're supposed to answer
Speaker 2: that way.
Speaker 1: More than a thousand people total or believe, dead as
Speaker 1: of Wednesday, March fourth, as a result of the conflict
Speaker 1: in the Middle East, which is also of course impacting
Speaker 1: surrounding nations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're out of spaghetti tonight, Are you okay with linguini?
Speaker 2: I guess not.
Speaker 1: Correct. God knows how long this this mess will last. Again,
Speaker 1: this happened without you know, Congress is supposed to be
Speaker 1: able to declare war. Apparently they had no part in
Speaker 1: this conversation. And yeah, I guess, I guess. And that's
Speaker 1: how much forethought goes into what this president does. And
Speaker 1: yet where is Congress? Where are they? They're busy trying
Speaker 1: to pass anti trans laws, so you don't notice that
Speaker 1: they diddle children how about it.
Speaker 2: Another little piece of my soul just shriveled up, died
Speaker 2: and fell off. I just felt it go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of shriveled pieces of one soul, Shilahbaff blames
Speaker 1: recent anti gay assaults and fear of big gay people.
Speaker 1: He seems to evoke the gay panic events to excuse
Speaker 1: him actions. In a recent interview following his recent arrest
Speaker 1: for battery, he cited his fear of big gay people
Speaker 1: as part of the reason for his actions. Let's see.
Speaker 1: He addressed his behavior, which he described as bullshit during
Speaker 1: New Orleans' Martigorols festivals last month. He was arrested and
Speaker 1: charged with simple battery in the early hours of February seventeenth,
Speaker 1: after allegedly assaulting two men at a bar in New
Speaker 1: Orleans' Marginie District. An initial police report indicated that he
Speaker 1: repeatedly referred to the victims as faggots. Both victims, at
Speaker 1: least one of whom identifies as squeer, alleged that Lebouff
Speaker 1: shouted the anti gay slur at them, and self phoned
Speaker 1: video recorded by one of them reportedly confirms that Laboff
Speaker 1: continued to shout the slur while in police custody. Police
Speaker 1: subsequently issued a warrant for his arrest again last week
Speaker 1: for headbutting a third man and insulting him with anti
Speaker 1: gay slers at the same bar on February seventeenth. In
Speaker 1: a statement, the actor's lawyers said he turned himself in
Speaker 1: to New Orleans police, according to a local NBC affiliate,
Speaker 1: The Hollywood Reporter also published a report in which multiple
Speaker 1: employees of bars across the city described Labuff's drunken and
Speaker 1: belligerent behavior in the days leading up to Mardi Gras.
Speaker 1: But in his interview with Channel five, Laboff, who has
Speaker 1: spoken about his history of substance abuse and has been
Speaker 1: arrested multiple times for similar conduct, told host Andrew Callaghan
Speaker 1: that he does not believe he needs to go to rehab. Instead,
Speaker 1: he blamed his behavior on what he described as a
Speaker 1: small man complex. I think it's something that has to
Speaker 1: do with anger an ego more so than my drinking,
Speaker 1: he said. I'll be honest with you, big gay people
Speaker 1: are scary to me. The actor admitted, um, oh, you
Speaker 1: little sowd off piece of bitch. When I'm standing like
Speaker 1: standing by myself and three gay dudes are next to me,
Speaker 1: touching my leg. I get scared, bitch, is what happens
Speaker 1: in a crowded club. I'm sorry. If that's homophobic, then
Speaker 1: I'm that Labouf.
Speaker 2: I just want to point out his last name literally
Speaker 2: is French for the beef.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm good with gay, The actor continued, be gay
Speaker 1: over there, though, don't be gay in my lap, In
Speaker 1: my motherfucking lap, bitch.
Speaker 2: You were standing in a crowded room. People are gonna
Speaker 2: touch you.
Speaker 1: Staff at the New Orleans bar attempted to eject the
Speaker 1: actor after he became increasingly aggressive to be allegedly punched
Speaker 1: the victim. After being removed from the bar, he then
Speaker 1: left the scene, but returned, acting even more aggressive. He
Speaker 1: came back. Multiple people attempted to hold him down. He
Speaker 1: was eventually let up in hopes that he would leave,
Speaker 1: but he reportedly again struck the same victim with closed
Speaker 1: fists to the victim's upper body. He then reportedly assaulted
Speaker 1: another person, punching him in the nose. Police said, La
Speaker 1: Buff was again held down until police arrived. The statement
Speaker 1: does not mention any person touching him inappropriately prior to
Speaker 1: the assaults. Yeah, these claims may indicate his defense strategy.
Speaker 1: Louisiana is one of thirty US states in which the
Speaker 1: gay and trans panic defense is still allowed in court
Speaker 1: of the.
Speaker 2: Go Can I please play Alexander Billing's response, please? Pretty please?
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do that because that's fun.
Speaker 2: Yes. She played a clip of his little interview, and
Speaker 2: then she rebutted, I'll be honest with you, big gay
Speaker 2: people are scary to me.
Speaker 3: What do you mean when I'm like standing by myself
Speaker 3: and three gay dudes are.
Speaker 2: Next to me touching my leg, I get scared.
Speaker 4: Girl.
Speaker 1: No one wants you. No one wants you. You look
Speaker 1: like a poppered out Chihuahua who's eating way too much ass.
Speaker 1: If you were standing around holding in your hand the
Speaker 1: cure to every single terminal illness on the planet, and
Speaker 1: the only thing anyone had to do to get those
Speaker 1: cures was touch your dick, everyone would be dead.
Speaker 2: If you had a nineteen eighties orgy, you'd still be
Speaker 2: in the big pile.
Speaker 1: Now were tons of cocaine pouring out of your asshole
Speaker 1: at an alarming rate. No one would sniff you.
Speaker 3: No one wants you.
Speaker 1: Okay, get yourself to an AA meeting and shuck a
Speaker 1: fuck up.
Speaker 2: I love her and she speaks for all of us.
Speaker 1: I think she does. I think she does.
Speaker 2: That was the best part about the story.
Speaker 1: Was let's always look to the response. Yes, no one
Speaker 1: would sniff you.
Speaker 2: No if you were in a nineteen eighties or still
Speaker 2: be in the big pile. Wow, my girl has the
Speaker 2: gift for the turn of phrase.
Speaker 3: She really does.
Speaker 1: And every now and then, like she'll let them pile
Speaker 1: up a bit, but she will post her responses to
Speaker 1: folks and it's hilarious. It is hilarious. Alexandra Billings, thank you.
Speaker 2: She is so talented at reading. She should host Reading Rainbow.
Speaker 1: She really should.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Oh and more news of white dude nonsense. Joe Rogan
Speaker 1: calls trans people perverts and spreads school shooting lies on
Speaker 1: his show Imagine That.
Speaker 2: Yes, the reason why podcasters can't have nice things Joe
Speaker 2: Rogan Yes.
Speaker 1: Uh huh yeah, like death and taxes. The Joe Rogan
Speaker 1: Experience podcast is a painful and inescapable part of modern
Speaker 1: life chow for transgender people. Rogan is downright malicious.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: This week was no different, as he spouted anti transmiths
Speaker 1: and vitriol during his sit down with Jackass comedian Steve Oh.
Speaker 2: Oh God, surprise, surprise. Huh. That motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Was recounting the time he almost got breast implants as
Speaker 1: the publicity stuff. While grocery shopping, he encountered a transgender cashier,
Speaker 1: which seemed to inspire a rare moment of sincere reflection
Speaker 1: and empathy and the stuntman known for leude and outlandish
Speaker 1: comedy acts.
Speaker 2: I'm glad they put comedy in quotes, because his shit
Speaker 2: ain't funny.
Speaker 1: They described to me a level of oppression that genuinely
Speaker 1: fucking broke my heart. Good, Okay, we could have left
Speaker 1: it there, he said of his talk with a transperson.
Speaker 1: They said, hey, let me tell you, like I am
Speaker 1: not allowed to use the bathroom at my own place
Speaker 1: of work. Rogan immediately cut him off, launching full throttle
Speaker 1: into a rant where he boosted the lie that trans
Speaker 1: women are largely perverts putting on an elaborate charade to
Speaker 1: gain access to women's spaces, or that they are men
Speaker 1: who fetishize femininity. I genuinely think there's people that feel
Speaker 1: like they are in the wrong biological sex, right, Brogan said.
Speaker 1: Then he continued, but there's also people that are fucking perverts,
Speaker 1: and they have a thing called auto gaynophilia, which is
Speaker 1: another one of those Republican buzzwords. And what that is
Speaker 1: is they get a turn on by pretending to be
Speaker 1: a woman. They get excited by it, and they want
Speaker 1: to be around women, and they're creeps, and so you
Speaker 1: give them a fucking Willy Wonka golden ticket to go
Speaker 1: into the women's locker room and the women's bathroom and
Speaker 1: stare at women and pretend you're a woman when you're
Speaker 1: just a crazy man and you're actually into women. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's real, two man, Steve O said, adding that trans
Speaker 1: issues are complex and nuanced. Let's be clear, there is
Speaker 1: no evidence that trans inclusive bathrooms, changing rooms, or locker
Speaker 1: rooms lead to increased instances of sexual assault. There is
Speaker 1: a strong correlation between trans exclusionary policies, sex based segregation,
Speaker 1: and gendered violence that victimizes trans people and sysgender people alike,
Speaker 1: and the concept that transgender women are merely carrying out
Speaker 1: a subversive fetish is empirically false, hateful, and the kind
Speaker 1: of sentiment that leads to real life violence. This was
Speaker 1: proven true mere minutes later, as Joe Rogan beat his
Speaker 1: chest about transgender people, namely trans women quote their entire life,
Speaker 1: they would get beaten up for that, and now all
Speaker 1: of a sudden they have to be accepted. The implication,
Speaker 1: it seems, is that Rogan thinks getting beaten up is
Speaker 1: an appropriate response to gender variants. Paradoxically, he goes on
Speaker 1: to say that transgender boys and men should be allowed
Speaker 1: in the bathroom of their choice because, in his mind,
Speaker 1: they pose no such threat to others. It's men that
Speaker 1: are the problem. Rogan says, No one gives a fuck
Speaker 1: about trans men going into the men's bathroom. Come on in,
Speaker 1: who cares?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Who cares? Oh, a girl's going to shit next to you?
Speaker 1: Or what is she going to do? Is she going
Speaker 1: to pee out of a funnel? What is she going
Speaker 1: to do? Like, no one's going to get hurt. Rogan
Speaker 1: also bolsters the dangerous line the trans people are disproportionately violent.
Speaker 1: The reality trans people, especially trans women, are disproportionately the
Speaker 1: victims of violent crime, not the perpetrators much of it
Speaker 1: thanks to people like Joe Rogan. You know the majority
Speaker 1: of these high school shootings have been transgender people, Rogan asks,
Speaker 1: which is of course unequivocally false. All right, you convinced me,
Speaker 1: Steve O finally said, but later in the exchange, which
Speaker 1: took up at least ten minutes of the show, he
Speaker 1: also added, my only takeaway from my experience that I
Speaker 1: was relating to you is that it made me feel compassionate,
Speaker 1: you know, for just that. Clearly it went away once
Speaker 1: he was in Joe Rogan's presence. The factorymains God, I
Speaker 1: love Aaron read that the vast majority of school shootings
Speaker 1: are cisgender men. Still, this kind of heinous rhetoric spurred
Speaker 1: rumblings of efforts to strip trans Americans' Second Amendment rights,
Speaker 1: added AMMO to conversations conservatives who talk about forcibly institutionalizing
Speaker 1: trans people for being violently ill, and Len's credence, at
Speaker 1: least in the popular imagination two so far unsuccessful efforts
Speaker 1: to categorically label trans people domestic terrorists. It is far
Speaker 1: from the first time Rogan has used his massive influence
Speaker 1: to attack trans people, from promoting the litter boxes for
Speaker 1: kids conspiracy to pushing comparisons of transnists to demon possession
Speaker 1: or being trapped in a cult. Yet in the same
Speaker 1: breath he says none of this precludes him from being
Speaker 1: kind to trans people, emphasizing that he has a friend
Speaker 1: Jim Norton, whose wife is trans and Jim Norton still
Speaker 1: talks to this asshole. For those who are unfamiliar, Joe
Speaker 1: Rogan is not just any right wing personality. His influence
Speaker 1: and rise have been meteoric. In twenty twenty five, The
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan Experience was the top podcast both in the
Speaker 1: US and globally number one. In twenty twenty four, it
Speaker 1: was reported that his show had fourteen point five million
Speaker 1: followers on Spotify and that he currently has an additional
Speaker 1: twenty million subscribers on YouTube. Together, that's thirty four point
Speaker 1: five million combined followers, which means he has more followers
Speaker 1: on those platforms than most countries have citizens. And that
Speaker 1: doesn't even scrape the surface of the reach of his
Speaker 1: social media and viral clips that circulate online.
Speaker 2: It's like he's a virus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is. As of this writing, the Steve
Speaker 1: O episode of Whopping two point five hours has already
Speaker 1: surpassed half a million views on YouTube within twenty four
Speaker 1: hours of being posted, which again does not include all
Speaker 1: the viewers and listeners who engage with his content on
Speaker 1: podcast streaming services, or who see his clips circulate on
Speaker 1: social media. With that kind of re each one can
Speaker 1: see why some Democrats have eyed the show as a
Speaker 1: misguided attempt reaching across the aisle. Some Democrats indeed have
Speaker 1: gone on the podcast, including Bernie Sanders and John Fetterman.
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris said after her twenty twenty four campaign defeat
Speaker 1: that she definitely regrets that we didn't do it, but
Speaker 1: when doing so puts money in the pockets of a
Speaker 1: man whose business model is dripping with vitriol toward marginalized people.
Speaker 1: It can also be said that going on the show
Speaker 1: is tentament to lending your voice, your time, and your
Speaker 1: views to a man whose hate felt monologues can lead
Speaker 1: to violence. Ultimately, Steve O didn't go through with his
Speaker 1: publicity boob job. Part of the medical team backed out,
Speaker 1: and after the exchange with his cashier, so did Stevo.
Speaker 1: It's almost as if gender dysphoria is a serious issue,
Speaker 1: t trans violence is a growing crisis stoked by right
Speaker 1: wing propaganda, and that medically altering one's body and sex
Speaker 1: traits is life saving healthcare, not some laughing matter.
Speaker 2: I told you about the time I was in a
Speaker 2: cab and or an uber and the driver had Joe
Speaker 2: Rogan's podcast playing, and I gave him one star. And
Speaker 2: my complaint was the lack of cleanliness of the vehicle
Speaker 2: because that just dirtied the entire experience. And that's all
Speaker 2: I'm going to say, because I have nothing else to
Speaker 2: add to this conversation that does not involved descriptions of
Speaker 2: swift and creative violence on these two men, and that's
Speaker 2: not helpful to this conversation. So I'm just not going
Speaker 2: to say anything.
Speaker 1: Okay, you posted the next story in the note, so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you take it over.
Speaker 2: So Timothy shallowmg uh huh is facing backlash from a
Speaker 2: little comment he made when he said the backlash is
Speaker 2: coming from ballet and opera communities after he made a
Speaker 2: comment that no one cares about ballet and opera h
Speaker 2: This was during a CNN and Variety town hall event.
Speaker 2: He was talking to Matthew mcconaugheany, and he said he
Speaker 2: didn't want theatrical movie going to end up like the
Speaker 2: ballet or opera where artists wanted to keep this thing
Speaker 2: alive even though no one cares about it anymore.
Speaker 1: Because he doesn't. So that means no one, right, So
Speaker 1: he's like a little Joe Rogan.
Speaker 2: What I think is all that he's famous for putting
Speaker 2: a peach on his dick. Let's just not forget that.
Speaker 1: Was it a peach or a melon?
Speaker 2: No, it was a peach.
Speaker 1: Anyway. London's Royal Ballet and Opera took to Instagram on
Speaker 1: writing yes to share footage of its craftspeople and performers
Speaker 1: as an apparent response to Salome.
Speaker 2: Yes. The caption of the post read, every night at
Speaker 2: the Royal Opera House, thousands of people gather for ballet
Speaker 2: and opera, for the music, for the storytelling, for the
Speaker 2: sheer magic of live performance. If you'd like to reconsider
Speaker 2: Timothy Shallome, our doors are open. And I also look
Speaker 2: a g I know. The Seattle Opera they had a
Speaker 2: cute response. They are offering fourteen percent off tickets for
Speaker 2: its production of Carmen if you use the promo code Timothy.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing. No one cares about ballet and
Speaker 2: opera except for all of the people that do. Like,
Speaker 2: what are you even talking about? Well, he does.
Speaker 1: That's not a part of his world, right, So it's
Speaker 1: not a part of the world, which is the problem
Speaker 1: with all of this, right, Yeah, it's like, my boy,
Speaker 1: I speak for culture, right. He thinks he does because
Speaker 1: the peach probably right.
Speaker 2: He's the weak link and everything he's in. If he
Speaker 2: wasn't cute, he wouldn't have a fucking career because he's
Speaker 2: not that goddamn good of an actor. Oh, I said it, okay.
Speaker 1: He told Matthew McConaughey in his full quote that he
Speaker 1: sees both sides of the argument about the dwindling popularity
Speaker 1: of movie theaters. He said, the success of a serious
Speaker 1: movie like Frankenstein, a serious movie like Frankenstein, the new one,
Speaker 1: What the fuck is serious about Frankenstein? It's science fiction,
Speaker 1: isn't it.
Speaker 2: No, Frankenstein is like a dark romantic story and it's
Speaker 2: about like, okay, but existentialism, and it's not okay, all right,
Speaker 2: Apparently the new movie was very well done.
Speaker 1: All right, shows that audience. I'm okay, that audience is
Speaker 1: still crave nuanced storytelling. But at the same time he
Speaker 1: understands that some people want to be entertained and quickly
Speaker 1: I'm really right in the middle, Matthew, He said, I
Speaker 1: admire people, and I've done it myself. Who go on
Speaker 1: a talk show and go, Hey, we got to keep
Speaker 1: movie theaters alive, you know, we got to keep this
Speaker 1: genre alive. And another part of me feels like if
Speaker 1: people want to see it like Barbie, like Oppenheimer, they're
Speaker 1: gonna go see it and go out of their way
Speaker 1: and be loud and proud about it. And I don't
Speaker 1: want to be working in ballet or opera or things
Speaker 1: where it's like, hey, keep this thing alive, even though
Speaker 1: it's like, no one cares about this anymore. All respect
Speaker 1: to the ballet and opera people out there, I just
Speaker 1: lost fourteen cents in viewership. Hence the fourteen percent the
Speaker 1: Seattle Ballet is offering got as a discount? What an idiot?
Speaker 1: So that made you feel something. Clearly, no one.
Speaker 2: Cares about opera, except for maybe, I don't know Jill Scott,
Speaker 2: that's what she got her degree in. No one cares
Speaker 2: about ballet. How many numbers of professional singers that pop,
Speaker 2: singers that are out right now not only got their
Speaker 2: start in ballet but incorporated into their performances if it
Speaker 2: weren't for ballet and opera, Like, if we took that
Speaker 2: out of the equation, there's so much shit that's in
Speaker 2: pop culture that we wouldn't even have to enjoy. You
Speaker 2: don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You sound
Speaker 2: like an uncultured little dipshit.
Speaker 1: But apparently uncultured dip shary cells.
Speaker 2: I hate it. Here I know, right, and by here,
Speaker 2: I mean earth.
Speaker 1: I hear you, I hear you. Oh my god, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that happened.
Speaker 2: I used to like Timothy Shallimer, I did.
Speaker 1: I could take him or leave him, but I mean
Speaker 1: he never liked I heard he was the only non
Speaker 1: creepy Willy Wonka. Well that's how he was described.
Speaker 2: To me, I guess, but he was annoying, okay, like
Speaker 2: the trailer of his Willy Wonka actively made me not want.
Speaker 1: To see it, and you didn't correct. So there.
Speaker 2: And the fact that I didn't go see it had
Speaker 2: nothing to do with either ballet or opera. It had
Speaker 2: to do directly with Timothy Shalomey. So what does that say, sir?
Speaker 2: How about the next time you have an opinion, you
Speaker 2: put your dick in a peach and lead the rest
Speaker 2: of us out of it. Oh on that note, little
Speaker 2: moppy headed bitch. Anyway, I'm sorry, I mean, I'm not sorry, but.
Speaker 1: I'm going to suggest a break and we will compose
Speaker 1: ourselves and try to come back and pop culture.
Speaker 3: Okay, we'll be right back, and we are back.
Speaker 2: We're back.
Speaker 1: Stick, You're chicken.
Speaker 2: I meant that ship.
Speaker 1: Oh god, let's go elsewhere. I haven't seen much more
Speaker 1: than Chicago, mad in between like other stuff that I've
Speaker 1: been doing, it's just been one in the background. So
Speaker 1: that's kind of been my week.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: But what's this about lizaan and Elli.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the GLAD Media Awards, she came out and
Speaker 2: h and she had a surprise appearance with a fay
Speaker 2: length of dancers.
Speaker 1: As it says here in the out Dolan dancer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at the GLAD Awards.
Speaker 2: The crowd saying happy birthday to her because she's turning
Speaker 2: eighty next week.
Speaker 1: Damn, or this week. It's close. We're close, yes, damn.
Speaker 1: Liza's turning eighty.
Speaker 2: Wow, and she's releasing her highly anticipated memoir Kids Wait
Speaker 2: till you hear this on March tenth, which is, uh.
Speaker 1: Tuesday, Tuesday, yeah, Tuesday, yeah, and two days from right
Speaker 1: now while we're recording, right mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: Yes, So basically she's just showing, motherfucker she still got it.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Well did you hear about how like that
Speaker 2: appearance that she made at the Oscars with Gaga where
Speaker 2: she was in the wheelchair, Like the wheelchair was not
Speaker 2: something that she needed. It was like she was put
Speaker 2: into it by the people behind stage, like and that's
Speaker 2: part of her confusion because she didn't know what the
Speaker 2: hell was going on there, like here, sit in this chair,
Speaker 2: you don't go out or some shit.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, so she wasn't in it, no for the
Speaker 1: glad words. Uh uh, I'm good, good, I'm glad, I'm glad.
Speaker 2: Was she wanted to be in Like apparently she has
Speaker 2: this like just bejeweled throne she likes to sit in
Speaker 2: these days, because she was honored on one of the
Speaker 2: recent seasons of Drag Race, and she was like just
Speaker 2: lounging in this huge like throne and like just kicking
Speaker 2: her legs up and telling her story. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: and this was around the same time, so I'm like,
Speaker 2: how would go from that to that?
Speaker 1: So it's right, she didn't need to be which I
Speaker 1: didn't assume it was a permanent situation because I had
Speaker 1: heard nothing. I thought maybe it was needed that night, right,
Speaker 1: And apparently it wasn't even that and then the problem is,
Speaker 1: you know, is there something she doesn't want to talk about.
Speaker 1: That's that's the other thing that some of us assumed.
Speaker 2: Right, But no, so that's all this confusion being sown.
Speaker 2: Liza is still Liza.
Speaker 1: Ing, and god knows she is a dancer. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so okay, I want to read her book, right, Oh,
Speaker 1: I want to read her book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll have to get a copy.
Speaker 1: I mean, because you got to go. Her mother was
Speaker 1: Judy Garland, first of all, who I'm sure often spilled
Speaker 1: the tea. Yeah, i mean, Judy recorded herself sometimes inappropriate shit.
Speaker 1: So I am sure Liza had her front row, oh much.
Speaker 1: I mean it's been part of her act too, like
Speaker 1: talking about you know, Mamma, the Kennedys, and and you know,
Speaker 1: just what a storied life she has led. And oh god,
Speaker 1: I want to read that she did something. And I
Speaker 1: told you the story before. I don't think i've told
Speaker 1: her on the podcast if I did whatever. But I
Speaker 1: drove her, yes, a million years ago, when I worked
Speaker 1: for a limousine company, and part of the rule for
Speaker 1: driving her was to be there at the theater before
Speaker 1: she went on stage. And wait, okay, so I picked
Speaker 1: up her luggage at the hotel and had it, you know,
Speaker 1: loaded into the limousine and took the limousine over to
Speaker 1: what was then the Valley Forge Music Fair, Okay, and
Speaker 1: I had a beautiful, wonderful you know, backstage c to
Speaker 1: watch her show a work. Valley Forge Music Fair was
Speaker 1: in the round, as you might remember, And this was
Speaker 1: the first time and I wasn't that far from her.
Speaker 1: I was behind her, which is where the entrance to
Speaker 1: the stage was, but I wasn't that far from her, really.
Speaker 1: But it was the first time in my life that
Speaker 1: I watched one single human being hold an entire audience
Speaker 1: in the palm of their hand from the moment they
Speaker 1: stepped out on the stage until the moment they left it.
Speaker 1: She has such presence, such incredible presence, and it bounces
Speaker 1: off the walls and comes back. And that's the only
Speaker 1: way I can describe it, you know what, an indescribable
Speaker 1: stage presence and larger than life and wonderful and big,
Speaker 1: and it's an intimate moment with her audience the entire
Speaker 1: time she's on that stage. It's so personal and so present,
Speaker 1: and there's so much talent and so much fun, and
Speaker 1: you know, humor in her stories and of course her voice,
Speaker 1: and of course you know her movement. And at the time,
Speaker 1: I think it was just before she had her lips replaced,
Speaker 1: and so she was talking about having to have them
Speaker 1: replaced after all those years of dancing. And when I
Speaker 1: saw her backstage, because then I waded through that as well,
Speaker 1: she was birdlike, almost fragile in that. You know this,
Speaker 1: She's not a large person. She had left something so
Speaker 1: much larger than herself out there, all of it on
Speaker 1: the stage, and she was, you know, almost someone you
Speaker 1: wanted to protect, if you know what I'm saying, who
Speaker 1: was clearly tired and had just given it all, given
Speaker 1: it all. And you know, we were never supposed to
Speaker 1: ask for autographs or do anything like that, and I
Speaker 1: normally never did some you know, I took them when
Speaker 1: they were offered, though, but this time, you know, there
Speaker 1: was a moment where we were standing together waiting for
Speaker 1: something to happen toward the end before we got in
Speaker 1: the car, and I said, I never do this, but
Speaker 1: my mother was a huge fan of your mother and
Speaker 1: is a huge fan today of yours, as am I,
Speaker 1: And may I ask you for an autographer? She give
Speaker 1: me a piece of paper and I had my travel folder,
Speaker 1: you know, we had a folder with our paperwork in it,
Speaker 1: and that's what I had in my hands. So I
Speaker 1: handed it to her and she said, which mother's name?
Speaker 1: And I said, Tuts. And she got a huge kick
Speaker 1: out of the fact that my mother was Tuts. And
Speaker 1: she laughed out loud, and that wonderful laugh and I
Speaker 1: we still have it. It's in the den, the autograph
Speaker 1: from Liza Minelli. She was class person. Just you know,
Speaker 1: when someone is a legend, they don't have to they
Speaker 1: don't have to be a dick. And she was just
Speaker 1: gracious and lovely and sweet. Truly.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And she did something that I have never seen anyone do,
Speaker 1: and it was brilliant because she wouldn't put the divider
Speaker 1: up right, because there's a divider in a limousine that
Speaker 1: separates the driver from the passengers. She wouldn't do that,
Speaker 1: she said. She she yelled up to me and sweety,
Speaker 1: can I smoke? And I said, I'm going to tell Lisaman,
Speaker 1: of course you can. She said, all right, but would
Speaker 1: you crack the window up there for me please? I
Speaker 1: couldn't hear a thing. Hmmmm with my window cracked, I
Speaker 1: couldn't hear anything that was going on in the back,
Speaker 1: and I went, that was fucking brilliant. It was brilliant,
Speaker 1: and it was respectful and kind and treated me like
Speaker 1: a human, you know, And I went, Wow, that's clever.
Speaker 1: She knew it, she knew what would work, and she
Speaker 1: never did that. She never put up that partition. She
Speaker 1: wasn't going to be that right celebrity right, and even that,
Speaker 1: I mean back then, she got it. She was more
Speaker 1: than that, more than a celebrity, what a what a
Speaker 1: true star, and what a class act.
Speaker 2: I admit, for a lot of my life I didn't
Speaker 2: understand the appeal of Lyzamnelli, only because I had only
Speaker 2: seen I had only seen like her guest appearances, and like,
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't get it. And then I
Speaker 2: watched the movie Cabaret, uh huh, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I get it. And then I put that against everything
Speaker 2: else I'd seen, and I was like, Okay, now I
Speaker 2: get it. I understand, and now I love Liza Minelli.
Speaker 1: But I know I truly. And so this would have
Speaker 1: been mid to late nineties, and I can tell you
Speaker 1: part of the conversation was that they were working on
Speaker 1: the Duets albums, which was with Frank Sinatra, and that
Speaker 1: was in production, so he was still alive, I guess
Speaker 1: right at that point. And so that was the time
Speaker 1: period and just before she had had hip surgery or
Speaker 1: knee surgery, whichever it was, she might have.
Speaker 2: Had all of it replaced bionic from the waist end.
Speaker 1: I will never forget that evening. And like I said,
Speaker 1: I had to be there before she went on stage
Speaker 1: till she was ready to go to the airport, and
Speaker 1: it was such a lovely experience. And I spent some
Speaker 1: of that time backstage and got to hang out with
Speaker 1: the that you know, the costume folks who worked at
Speaker 1: full time at the music fair, and they were giving
Speaker 1: me all the dirt on who they liked and who
Speaker 1: they didn't and who they couldn't stand. And yeah, that
Speaker 1: was fun at fun.
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we dished. So it was a great evening that
Speaker 1: I will never forget. But I will also never forget
Speaker 1: being left with what a human, what a talented, talented
Speaker 1: human that knows, you know, again how to perform, how
Speaker 1: to leave it all out there and treated everyone with respect.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I love it. That's my Lisa story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got to get that framed, okay, because it's to
Speaker 1: tuts and I will never forget her laughing your mother's tuts.
Speaker 1: She thought that was fabulous.
Speaker 2: I mean it is.
Speaker 1: Moving on. What else we got?
Speaker 3: So apparently it's not dead?
Speaker 2: Right. Apparently there was a viral rumor that she had
Speaker 2: she had died.
Speaker 1: Somebody must have watched last holiday while they were high,
Speaker 1: I guess, and they didn't catch the whole story ahead.
Speaker 2: Well, she you know, came out and said, right, okay.
Speaker 1: Great she posts of death are greatly exaggerated exactly.
Speaker 2: She posted a video on her Instagram. Good morning, it's me, Latifa.
Speaker 2: I'm one hundred percent okay. Can't believe what you read
Speaker 2: on the internet or see. Can't believe nothing now right,
Speaker 2: I'm good, peace right. And it's like I've who anyone
Speaker 2: that would say that or believe that, don't know anything
Speaker 2: about her, because you know, I just she she's.
Speaker 1: Everywhere, you know, Yeah, I mean right, you gotta, you gotta.
Speaker 1: And this happened right with celebrities. Happens all the checks
Speaker 1: a source.
Speaker 2: Right exactly.
Speaker 1: It ain't real till it's real. Right, However, when our
Speaker 1: friend posts our death obsessed friend. Yes, posts a death,
Speaker 1: so I know that it's already been confirmed by two
Speaker 1: or three sources. Right before he posts rest in peace
Speaker 1: exactly and says so and so died, So I know
Speaker 1: they're dead, right, because I don't think I've ever seen
Speaker 1: him get it wrong. I don't think.
Speaker 2: I want to say once.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but did they ultimately die like a little bit later, Yes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they just weren't quite dead when right.
Speaker 2: Okay, so he was only wrong in the timing but
Speaker 2: not in the fact of it, but not in the.
Speaker 1: Fact that it was happening. Yeah, So I guess he's
Speaker 1: gotten even more cautious. He's the one that corrects all
Speaker 1: of the immemorialms on all of the awards shows, like,
Speaker 1: well they left out and then we get that list.
Speaker 1: I actually love that about him.
Speaker 2: And his list is like three times longer than the
Speaker 2: one that he's correcting.
Speaker 1: Right, it's always comprehensive. Use he's really really wonderful for that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he didn't say that she died, so I exactly.
Speaker 1: It wasn't about to believe it, right, I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't see it anywhere, but so that was I
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, Queen Latifa is still around, and I
Speaker 2: didn't know that that was in question.
Speaker 1: So that's all I didn't either. I don't have much more.
Speaker 2: Oh, I've been watching wonder Man Really, which is on
Speaker 2: uh which it's a Marvel series, and it's been out
Speaker 2: for a while because they released all of the episodes
Speaker 2: at once, which was a point of controversy because they
Speaker 2: cast Yahya abdul Matine as as wonder Man. In the comics,
Speaker 2: he's white, and so it's like the whole thing of like,
Speaker 2: why is it when they have a black lead character
Speaker 2: they release all the episodes one time, as opposed to
Speaker 2: metering it out once a week, and even though they
Speaker 2: just did that with iron Heart. I don't know anyway,
Speaker 2: but I'm actually enjoying it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, fine, you do why he gotta be black?
Speaker 3: You just do it?
Speaker 2: Do it? Because no, this is really it's I'm enjoying it.
Speaker 2: And it's like it's not even so much about him
Speaker 2: having powers. It's like about the craft of acting. It's
Speaker 2: about the mechanics of getting a role in Hollywood. But
Speaker 2: the story is he is trying to make make a
Speaker 2: make a go of it in Hollywood as an actor,
Speaker 2: and his dream role of wonder Man has come up,
Speaker 2: and because like he's loved wonder Man since he was
Speaker 2: a kid, and but apparently there's this clause that if
Speaker 2: you have superpowers, you can't be in a movie about
Speaker 2: superpowered individuals because it went really really left once and
Speaker 2: so he actually has superpowers. So he's trying to like,
Speaker 2: how do I expose all of myself as a lover
Speaker 2: of the craft of acting, but still hide major parts
Speaker 2: of myself? Like it's really interesting, Okay, I'm enjoying it. Like,
Speaker 2: and as as a fellow thespian, you would actually.
Speaker 1: Are we picturing like gay men being straight men and character?
Speaker 3: Like what are we?
Speaker 1: I have to hide my superpowers? I mean so that
Speaker 1: I get to portray this part kind of.
Speaker 2: But his whole thing is like if he gets like
Speaker 2: super agitated, then he can like make shit explode, so right,
Speaker 2: so he can't like.
Speaker 1: Well, likewise, when when your superpower is the lack of
Speaker 1: a never mind, Well that's me. Yeah, m hmm, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's why your friendly.
Speaker 2: It's interesting, damn it.
Speaker 4: It is?
Speaker 1: What the fuck is wonder Man?
Speaker 2: Wonder Man is is a comic book character. Is a
Speaker 2: Marvel character?
Speaker 1: Really, because I only know of wonder Woman. I never
Speaker 1: knew there was a wonder Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wonder Man is a wonder Woman is DC wonder Man.
Speaker 2: They do this and wonder Man is Marvel. Yeah that's
Speaker 2: fucked up, completely unrelated.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, how about that. I didn't know that there
Speaker 1: was ever anything.
Speaker 2: But he wasn't exactly an A list character in Marvel,
Speaker 2: That's what I'm guessing. But I but I'm really loving
Speaker 2: It's like it's Yahya Abdullah Medan and Ben Kingsley. They're
Speaker 2: like really playing against each other and it's and it's
Speaker 2: again it's about the craft of acting.
Speaker 1: And this is a series.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I would start it over again for you
Speaker 2: to see what you thought about it, because like it's
Speaker 2: an interesting character study.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, all right, so you're recommending Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: I like it cool.
Speaker 2: And you're almost caught up with your Chicago series.
Speaker 1: I'm in season six of Chicago med which is the
Speaker 1: pandemic year, so I've watched how each of them has
Speaker 1: handled the pandemic.
Speaker 2: Yes, and this is the one the series that came
Speaker 2: the latest in the time in the universe.
Speaker 1: So yes, this is the newest of the three.
Speaker 2: So you're able to catch up faster.
Speaker 1: I started with Chicago PD, which was actually the not
Speaker 1: the oldest is Chicago Fire. Apparently that was the I
Speaker 1: believe that was the beginning of the Chicago world of
Speaker 1: Dick Wolf, and then Chicago p D and then Chicago MED.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at any rate, I'm in season six.
Speaker 2: And you hate way more care characters in Chicago man
Speaker 2: than you.
Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, I have.
Speaker 2: Never heard you yell at the television as often as
Speaker 2: I have while you're watching this damn show.
Speaker 1: Some people yell at sports.
Speaker 2: Giving.
Speaker 1: I yell at drama shows.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 2: I'll be laying in bed and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: there he goes, cause you don't bitch, like what is
Speaker 2: going on in there?
Speaker 1: All of the boys are awful. They are like they're
Speaker 1: pretty and awful. Yeah, you know, like awful. The male
Speaker 1: leads are are just oh god. And I've worked with
Speaker 1: surgeons and doctors, et cetera, and they are egotistical and
Speaker 1: full of themselves quite often. But this is more or
Speaker 1: something and it's like they're so pretty and I hate
Speaker 1: them and it's I'm so twist it inside, but really
Speaker 1: like it's like wow, so good character development because that
Speaker 1: they are all flawed individuals right truly and and speaking
Speaker 1: of Yai, but yes, I hate them more than most.
Speaker 2: Ya Ya DaCosta who I remember from I want to say,
Speaker 2: cycle three of Top Model. Is she She has a
Speaker 2: leading role in the show, Okay, And I didn't make
Speaker 2: that connection until I looked her up, because like, she's
Speaker 2: this gorgeous nurse. She's a nurse practitioner. Is that who
Speaker 2: she is?
Speaker 1: She is a nurse on the show, right, Yeah, she
Speaker 1: plays one of the nurses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's like very like smart and capable and good.
Speaker 1: And beautiful and yeah, very good.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, damn, she is so pretty. And then
Speaker 2: I was seeing the name ya Ya da Costa and
Speaker 2: not placing it, and then I looked up who that
Speaker 2: wasn't IMDb, and so I was hard. I was like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, yeah yeah, And then I hear Tyra
Speaker 2: Banks's voice saying yeah, yeah, come forward, and I looked
Speaker 2: it up, like yep, that's her. So season two of oh,
Speaker 2: cycle two okay, So I was still watching it then, Okay.
Speaker 1: I think so, yeah, I think that's when she was
Speaker 1: on there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's terrific, so easily one of the most successful
Speaker 2: people to come out of that.
Speaker 1: Show, perhaps de Moost. Yeah, I don't know, but yeah,
Speaker 1: yes she has a big part of Chicago Mad.
Speaker 2: She has a job you.
Speaker 1: Can point to, Yes she does.
Speaker 2: I mean Eva from Cycle whatever that was three four whatever.
Speaker 2: She actually did get a modeling career. But still still ye, right,
Speaker 2: that's all.
Speaker 1: No, no, yeah, she's terrific. She is in Chicago Mad.
Speaker 1: I'm on Season Sex. It's been.
Speaker 2: Do white people like each other on these shows? Because
Speaker 2: we notice how every relationship, almost every relationship.
Speaker 1: They are well in Chicago Med, they kind.
Speaker 2: Of all are like black people marry each other.
Speaker 1: Some black people are married to each other, but the
Speaker 1: white people are all married to people of color.
Speaker 2: I think. I mean, I'm digging it. I just but
Speaker 2: it was like, after all, damn does anybody I know?
Speaker 1: I know, And it's like kind of just a thing
Speaker 1: and I love that, right, And the one character does
Speaker 1: have a transgender sister, right and played by a transactress,
Speaker 1: So you know that's a good thing. And it was
Speaker 1: handled better than it wasn't right I might have done.
Speaker 1: You know, she's not exactly heroin, and of course you
Speaker 1: know she's being beaten up by her boyfriend because we
Speaker 1: can't have training without tragedy but mostly handled respectfully. And
Speaker 1: then and she's the sister of Maggie, who is the
Speaker 1: character one of them that I adore.
Speaker 2: Yes, And because there's so many characters of color on
Speaker 2: this show in particular, I mean throughout the entire Chicago universe,
Speaker 2: but on Chicago Med in particular, you see people of
Speaker 2: color in certain situations that you don't normally see on television. Okay,
Speaker 2: like just the way things are handled. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm digging it, you know. And and and Chicago Med
Speaker 2: deals with different issues of like ethics and and different
Speaker 2: topics in the medical world that I'm surprised that these
Speaker 2: conversations are being had on television.
Speaker 1: It's very cool. I like, Yeah, And there was a
Speaker 1: March fourth, uh you know, crossover night right where all
Speaker 1: three of them tell the story. And that's happened a
Speaker 1: couple of times. Yes, we're part one, two or three. Yes,
Speaker 1: So now you're at a universe. Well, I'm I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get to that place with Chicago Med. And then
Speaker 1: I'll watch the March fourth event.
Speaker 2: Why you get caught up yet?
Speaker 1: Well, and I keep rewatching those because I watched them.
Speaker 1: Whatever I was watching once I realized it was part
Speaker 1: of something. I watched all of it.
Speaker 2: Right because there was that crossover series about the flesh
Speaker 2: eating virus.
Speaker 3: Right like that.
Speaker 1: But I didn't know most of the characters from the
Speaker 1: other two shows, and now I do, so I keep
Speaker 1: like rewatching them and you can see it in context.
Speaker 1: You know what, I was raised by a television.
Speaker 2: It's becoming an obsession.
Speaker 1: I was raised little television and a lot of time
Speaker 1: my comfort comes from TV. I get it, like I
Speaker 1: just it's where I can zone out and you know,
Speaker 1: I can even learn life lessons and you know, seriously
Speaker 1: it it. This has been a time of resetting my
Speaker 1: nervous system and television helps me, I know, it just does. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and Kathy and I were talking about that, which is
Speaker 1: why she said, some watch gun Smoke, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like she was like, well, you tell't, but
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I've realized recently, like I I
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time in front of a TV
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, and no, there is something
Speaker 1: too just sort of this is new the ability newish,
Speaker 1: the ability to binge. You know, it started back when
Speaker 1: you know cable, like like what was the show that
Speaker 1: was rerunning the channel TNT that was rerunning Law and Order,
Speaker 1: and they would do marathons like on holidays, Labor Day
Speaker 1: or was it whoever it was, they would do like
Speaker 1: these marathons. Yes, and I fell in love with marathons
Speaker 1: where you could just sit there all night, all day
Speaker 1: and do nothing else but watch Chowacter character show in order.
Speaker 2: Usually. Well, because of that, we're now seeing how certain shows,
Speaker 2: particularly shows from like the eighties and nineties, weren't necessarily
Speaker 2: intended to be bin. They were not because continuity is
Speaker 2: a thing that they were not paying attention to.
Speaker 1: And dear God, did they work under a formula right
Speaker 1: that right that we repeated too much.
Speaker 2: Like the like the Golden Girls in particular, like there
Speaker 2: will be like a story element, like if it's a
Speaker 2: running joke with a character, then it runs through their
Speaker 2: entire arc. But sometimes it's like, well didn't you have
Speaker 2: another daughter?
Speaker 3: Right right?
Speaker 1: Well, that used to happen all the time that I
Speaker 1: when happy days, Like the Pilot, there was another whole brother,
Speaker 1: Chuck I think his name was. There were three kids,
Speaker 1: and then suddenly he was never around.
Speaker 2: Well he just never happened on the cosmic, on the
Speaker 2: on the Lisa Bonet show. Yes, in the in the
Speaker 2: first episode, there was no Sondra Saunder didn't show up
Speaker 2: until like episode four of and she's.
Speaker 1: Like the oldest kid, right.
Speaker 2: They didn't write her in until like the third or
Speaker 2: fourth episode because in the very first episode there was
Speaker 2: a joke Cliff, why do we have four children because
Speaker 2: we didn't want five?
Speaker 1: Right, that's right, that's right. Yeah, see, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, here's this other character that didn't exist before.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And that was also they had a different set
Speaker 2: for the house and it was the first, last and
Speaker 2: only time we ever saw was there. Oh yeah, the
Speaker 2: set was completely different, completely, or somewhat. I think the
Speaker 2: kitchen might have been the same, but the living room
Speaker 2: was different. Yeah, as much. I know, my obsession of
Speaker 2: The Golden Girls is only rival by my obsession of
Speaker 2: that show.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's true. Yeah, and I mean I've seen that
Speaker 1: happen where it changes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just the first episode, just the pilot.
Speaker 1: Right, It's usually the pilot is different from the set
Speaker 1: that they you know, once the show is picked up.
Speaker 2: Right, the rest of the series was the same house,
Speaker 2: but that pilot was the first, last, and only time
Speaker 2: we ever saw Claire dressed up in like house cleaning clothes,
Speaker 2: Like she had her hair in a kerchief and she
Speaker 2: had an apron. Uh huh. Yeah, like she was in housewife.
Speaker 1: Most she was still a lawyer, right, but cleaning her
Speaker 1: own house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the first, last and only time in
Speaker 2: eight seasons I saw that. What Yeah, the very next
Speaker 2: episode she was quaffed and snack.
Speaker 1: Now, while the maid may not have been one of
Speaker 1: the central characters, she existed.
Speaker 2: I think the maid was the five children who lived
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 1: Okay, were that either way? Either way other than you
Speaker 1: know what I saw and I checked it because I'm like,
Speaker 1: I hate it when people just post stuff randomly, buddy.
Speaker 1: It was true in both Good Times and the Jeffersons.
Speaker 1: At both Esther Roll and Isabelle Sandford were twenty years
Speaker 1: older than the actor playing their husband, m Estherwroll was
Speaker 1: twenty years older than John Amos. I knew that, and
Speaker 1: isabel Sandford was twenty years older than Sherman Hemsley.
Speaker 2: I learned that.
Speaker 1: Yeah it worked. I had no idea, but yes, they were. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a big difference in age and where the
Speaker 1: woman was considerably older. Because it just happened. I was
Speaker 1: looking up the actress from the closer, and that was
Speaker 1: saying the actress that played her parents were considerably different
Speaker 1: in age. It was at least twenty years if not thirty.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and it worked, it absolutely did. I don't
Speaker 1: know why I brought that up. I propos of nothing,
Speaker 1: but there were these age differences, because what did we
Speaker 1: just oh oh oh on Chicago Fire. I looked up
Speaker 1: Herman's wife. Herman is played by the actor who was
Speaker 1: also in you know, the one with the social actuaries,
Speaker 1: the Sex and the City. He was the actor in
Speaker 1: Sex and the City, that dude.
Speaker 2: Oh oh oh oh Herman. Okay, yeah, and.
Speaker 1: He's one of the in Chicago Fire. Right, and the
Speaker 1: one playing his wife could be his daughter.
Speaker 2: But look look good, right, But that was gonna sound shade,
Speaker 2: and I don't want to be sha.
Speaker 1: She's in her forties and he's like in his six
Speaker 1: sixty or in his sixties.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a big difference in age, but they look
Speaker 1: like they could be a couple. He looks a little younger,
Speaker 1: she looks a little whatever. But I went but but
Speaker 1: I don't know. Something made me look them up because
Speaker 1: I was like, she's a lot younger than and then
Speaker 1: I sheep in fact day can Yeah, how did I
Speaker 1: get on that?
Speaker 2: I have no idea. We were talking about television.
Speaker 1: Oh you know why because you said Claire hus will
Speaker 1: never cleaned her house, and I was thinking of television
Speaker 1: shows where the maid was actually an integral part, and
Speaker 1: I thought of the Jeffersons, and then I.
Speaker 2: Thought of okay, okay, okay, that made.
Speaker 1: That article that I just read, I'm with you on that,
Speaker 1: and then I checked the accuracy.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: That actually went back to those other two things.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's how we got here. That's all I got.
Speaker 1: I'm hungry.
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