WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.919 This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI 2 00:00:03.040 --> 00:00:05.360 A M. Six forty, The Gary and Shannon Show on 3 00:00:05.440 --> 00:00:07.240 demand on the iHeartRadio app. 4 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:10.359 It's time for swamp Watch. I'm a politician, which means 5 00:00:10.359 --> 00:00:12.519 I'm a cheat and a liar, and when I'm not 6 00:00:12.599 --> 00:00:14.800 kissing babies, I'm stealing their lollipops. 7 00:00:14.839 --> 00:00:17.960 Here we got the real problem is that our leaders 8 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:18.519 are done. 9 00:00:18.559 --> 00:00:23.679 The other side never quits. So what I'm not going anywhere? 10 00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:25.120 So that is how you. 11 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:26.160 Train the squad. 12 00:00:26.239 --> 00:00:28.519 I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by 13 00:00:28.519 --> 00:00:30.960 what has been. You know, Americans have always been going 14 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:33.359 at President. They're not stupid. 15 00:00:33.399 --> 00:00:36.280 A political flunder is when a politician actually tells the truth. 16 00:00:36.280 --> 00:00:37.560 Whether people voted for. 17 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:37.960 You were not. 18 00:00:38.200 --> 00:00:40.039 Swamp watch, they're all counter on. 19 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:44.600 Well, we've been talking about China and the standoff between 20 00:00:44.640 --> 00:00:48.240 the Trump administration and Shi Jinping when it comes to trade. 21 00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:51.759 We most recently talked about the President hosting a Japan 22 00:00:51.799 --> 00:00:56.640 with his economic advisors yesterday, where Shi Jinping was in 23 00:00:56.719 --> 00:01:01.119 Southeast Asia probably still Malaysia yesterday. When it comes to 24 00:01:01.200 --> 00:01:05.840 wooing people to join their perspective teams, the CATO Institute 25 00:01:05.920 --> 00:01:10.400 has long followed the relations between the United States and China, 26 00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:16.040 and with particular how we're going to navigate what could 27 00:01:16.079 --> 00:01:21.120 be a urination match of epic proportions between these two countries. 28 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:24.200 Right now, Clark Packard is a research fellow in the 29 00:01:24.280 --> 00:01:29.120 Herbert Stifle Center for Trade Policy Studies at the Cato Institute, 30 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:30.120 and he joins us now. 31 00:01:30.159 --> 00:01:32.280 Clark, thanks for taking time for us again today. 32 00:01:33.040 --> 00:01:36.079 Yeah, thanks thanks for having me. I'm glad to be on. 33 00:01:36.519 --> 00:01:39.400 Let's get sort of a ten thousand foot level look 34 00:01:39.560 --> 00:01:42.959 if we can from you about where we stand with 35 00:01:43.280 --> 00:01:47.760 this burgeoning trade war between specifically between the United States 36 00:01:47.799 --> 00:01:48.280 and China. 37 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:53.840 Yeah, I mean, look, I think the Trump administration is 38 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:57.120 right to point to a number of bad trade policies, 39 00:01:57.319 --> 00:02:02.319 trade and investment policies that come from Beijing. You know, China, 40 00:02:02.480 --> 00:02:06.400 for example, steals intellectual property, it hacks into cyber networks, 41 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:10.520 et cetera, et cetera. So at this point, though, we're 42 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:13.680 at one hundred and forty five percent tariffs basically on 43 00:02:13.879 --> 00:02:17.840 all imports from China except for certain computer and electronic equipment. 44 00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:22.479 And then China has imposed equivalent tariffs on American products. 45 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:25.800 But China also doesn't buy as many products from the 46 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:29.039 United States as we buy from them, and so China 47 00:02:29.199 --> 00:02:32.520 is having to switch some of its retaliation to focus 48 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:39.400 on maybe services. So legal consulting financial services. Beijing ordered 49 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:42.639 Chinese airlines not to take any further orders or deliveries 50 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:46.120 from Boeing, for example. So I think, you know, the 51 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:50.120 two sides are sort of dug in, and I don't 52 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:51.719 know if there's going to be an off ramp. I 53 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:54.840 know that that, you know, the Trump administration has indicated 54 00:02:54.840 --> 00:02:57.520 that it would like to talk, but so far nothing 55 00:02:57.599 --> 00:02:59.199 has has materialized from that. 56 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:02.039 Some of the communities that stood up and voted Trump 57 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:05.840 are communities that feel forgotten by this country. And if 58 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:08.479 you go back to history for a lesson, you will 59 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:12.360 find out that it kind of began when Congress voted 60 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:14.680 to make things nice with China. When it came to 61 00:03:14.719 --> 00:03:18.360 trade relations at the turn of the century, imports from 62 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:21.560 China nearly tripling from nineteen ninety nine to two thousand 63 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:25.159 and five, and the factories here in America just could 64 00:03:25.159 --> 00:03:29.319 not compete, giving birth to the term the China Shock. 65 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:33.080 It wiped out millions of jobs in the years that followed, 66 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:36.039 and a lot of these communities that were hard hit. Well, 67 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:38.919 now it's kind of it seems to be adding insult 68 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:41.719 to injury with the very communities that hoisted Trump into 69 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:42.319 the White House. 70 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:45.919 Yeah, that's right. I mean, I do think there's something 71 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:48.759 to the China shock, right, like that regions that were 72 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:53.159 more exposed to Chinese import competition had worse labor market 73 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:57.919 outcomes than those regions that were less exposed to Chinese 74 00:03:57.919 --> 00:04:02.800 import competition. And you're right that that something like you know, 75 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:05.680 the numbers vary, but something about a million and a 76 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:08.759 half manufacturing jobs were lost over a ten to fifteen 77 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:12.960 year period, and that certainly hurt a lot of communities. 78 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:16.800 But you know, I think that obviously the genies out 79 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:19.839 of the bottle, and there's nothing we can kind of 80 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:24.680 do to go back. And I'm you know, I'm skeptical 81 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:29.040 that if we erect big tariff walls around the United States, 82 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:32.040 even just for China, you know, just from Chinese products, 83 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:35.920 it would have much of an impact. But yeah, I 84 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:38.399 mean I certainly think that a lot of farming communities 85 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:42.120 are going to be hit with foreign retaliation and yeah, 86 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:47.160 and increased costs for American consumers. So, you know, I 87 00:04:47.399 --> 00:04:50.439 think that that you know, there was very real frustration 88 00:04:50.560 --> 00:04:54.480 and very sort of righteous anger. But I just don't 89 00:04:54.560 --> 00:04:58.439 think that the past followed by politicians today is gonna, 90 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:02.560 you know, unwind and undo what's already been done. 91 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:05.199 Clark, can you hang on for another segment? I have 92 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:06.920 a couple more questions that I'd love to get to. 93 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:11.360 All Right, Clark Packard again, research fellow for Cato Institute 94 00:05:11.959 --> 00:05:13.759 and a writer. You've seen his stuff, You've seen him 95 00:05:13.759 --> 00:05:16.000 on TV as well. We'll talk with Clark a little 96 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:18.639 bit more about what's going on in terms of tariffs 97 00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:21.720 and the burgeoning trade war that we're staring down the 98 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:22.160 barrel of. 99 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:26.920 You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI 100 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:28.040 AM six forty. 101 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:32.720 I love this look at the Chiron on CBS. It 102 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:35.639 says do not drive high on four to twenty and 103 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:38.079 then the image with someone lighting. 104 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:42.040 Up a bowl of pot. Isn't that Easter? 105 00:05:42.199 --> 00:05:43.759 Do we need the news to tell us not to 106 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:46.360 drive high? And it is Easter? It falls on Easter, 107 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:48.600 So you've got Jesus. 108 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:55.399 And weed and Hitler. Hitler that's his birthday, right if 109 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:57.360 you say so. I don't know. 110 00:05:57.560 --> 00:06:00.600 We were talking swamp watch stuff that goes on in DC, 111 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:02.959 and the biggest story of the last couple of weeks, 112 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:07.240 of course, has been tariffs and the trade renegotiations that 113 00:06:07.240 --> 00:06:10.279 are said to be taking place. The biggest players in this, 114 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:12.160 of course, are going to be the United States in 115 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:15.079 China because of the massive economies and because of the 116 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:19.199 products that we the United States and they China produce. 117 00:06:19.720 --> 00:06:21.959 And we're talking with Clark Packard, who's a research fellow 118 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:25.800 at the Cato Institute about this specifically, and he focuses 119 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:29.720 on international trade policy. Clark, we know that there've already 120 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:33.480 been some indications of prices going up here in the 121 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:35.120 United States because of all of this. 122 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:36.199 In fact, I think it was. 123 00:06:36.759 --> 00:06:41.800 Ford that said that starting in June, consumers are going 124 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:46.560 to start to see those manufactured manufacturers suggested retail prices 125 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:49.560 going up on some of their vehicles, specifically their F 126 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:50.319 one fifties. 127 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:53.720 Do we have a good idea. 128 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:55.800 I know it's a secretive society, but do we have 129 00:06:55.839 --> 00:07:00.920 a good idea of how this has or would impact 130 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:03.639 the Chinese economy? 131 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:07.480 Yeah? Well, yes, First of all, you're right, it is 132 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:12.600 kind of secretive. They keep their economic data very close 133 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:16.639 to the vest so to speak. But look, I do 134 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:21.480 think that the Chinese economy depends on export. It is 135 00:07:21.639 --> 00:07:25.839 too heavily balanced in one direction, out of balance I suppose, 136 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:30.000 toward production and not enough on the consumption side. And 137 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:33.680 you know, all kinds of research analysts suggest that, look, 138 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:35.720 the Chinese really need to try to do something to 139 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:40.560 rebalance their economy. But you know, be that as it may, 140 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:44.000 exports are very much an engine of growth for Beijing. 141 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:47.399 And so yeah, I do think that the US is 142 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:50.439 a major buyer of products from China, and you know, 143 00:07:50.519 --> 00:07:56.560 basically erecting this massive tariff wall that essentially prohibits I mean, 144 00:07:56.759 --> 00:07:59.360 the rates are so high it would essentially prohibit the 145 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:03.120 purchase of Chinese goods will cause significant harm to the 146 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:05.680 Chinese economy. But of of course it will also hurt 147 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:08.720 the American side as well. That you know, American consumers 148 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:11.199 that have to switch to higher price goods or whatever 149 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:12.439 to for substitution. 150 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:19.639 Just about the ward time out before the break about 151 00:08:19.920 --> 00:08:24.959 China's shock and how it's hard to find economists that 152 00:08:25.279 --> 00:08:29.399 will tell you that tariffs are going to bring back 153 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:34.840 the manufacturing jobs that we have lost since the influx 154 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:37.759 of China goods and the cheap way China is able 155 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:42.919 to manufacture things over there and in other places like Vietnam. 156 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:45.519 Where is there a world? 157 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:48.519 And like, I guess, I just don't understand the thought 158 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:52.519 process that the administration has that the tariffs will bring 159 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:56.799 the manufacturing jobs back, because it seems like they all left, 160 00:08:56.960 --> 00:08:59.080 and then adding the tariffs, like I said, it just 161 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:02.559 adds insult to injury. It makes it harder, at least 162 00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:04.919 in my dumb mind, it makes it harder to bring 163 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:09.159 back those jobs with the tariffs in place. I guess 164 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:12.879 I just if there's a way to understand how tariffs 165 00:09:12.879 --> 00:09:16.360 could help reverse China shock, I'd like to know it. 166 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:19.960 Yeah, I mean, I say, I think that's exactly right. Look, 167 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:23.639 the first of all, the US does still maintain a 168 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:28.840 pretty healthy uh it just we just don't have as 169 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:32.679 many people working in those sectors. You know, the US 170 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:36.799 is the second largest exporter around the world, behind China. 171 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:39.759 And so part of the part of my my sort 172 00:09:39.799 --> 00:09:42.720 of complaint with the Trump administration is if you really 173 00:09:42.759 --> 00:09:48.679 want to focus and bolster domestic manufacturing, it doesn't make 174 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:54.720 sense to tax the products that American firms use to 175 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:58.639 build products in the United States. And so maybe if 176 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:02.279 you want to impose tariff on finished goods. Maybe that 177 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:04.840 would make more sense, but it doesn't make sense to 178 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:09.600 and in fact, would hurt domestic manufacturers that rely on 179 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:13.360 intermediate inputs and capital goods that they source from around 180 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:17.480 the world to then make our products more competitive globally 181 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:21.559 in the United States. And so I think there's sort 182 00:10:21.559 --> 00:10:26.240 of they're banking on all this investment coming into the 183 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:32.039 United States. The problem is if all these foreign companies 184 00:10:32.080 --> 00:10:34.559 start to invest in the United States, it's going to 185 00:10:34.639 --> 00:10:37.240 be a significant lag by the time they stand up 186 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:40.360 a factory for example. You know, you're talking maybe five years. 187 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:44.879 And to me, there's a question on how much pain 188 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:49.279 the American public is willing to take because I think, 189 00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:53.679 you know, the Trump administration can point back to higher 190 00:10:53.679 --> 00:10:57.639 prices during the Biden administration as probably the primary reason 191 00:10:57.639 --> 00:11:00.279 they're in office today. So I just don't think the 192 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:03.960 American public has as much of a pain tolerance. And 193 00:11:04.279 --> 00:11:07.399 the time horizon isn't going to work. I think the 194 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:10.360 American people are going to be pretty angry about this. 195 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:11.639 Hey bring up a good point. 196 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:14.519 The time alone, I mean, they don't have time to 197 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:17.759 adjust in a best case scenario world. 198 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:21.159 Yeah, yeah, I think you know, if you wanted to 199 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:26.639 do this in like a better, less erratic way, you 200 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:29.799 know you would announce okay, in a year, here's what's 201 00:11:29.799 --> 00:11:32.720 going to happen, and that gives the supply chains time 202 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:35.879 to adjust. But you know, when you're talking about radically 203 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:39.440 overhauling a supply chain in the matter of a couple 204 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:43.919 of weeks a month, there inevitably there's going to be 205 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:46.960 major frictions, and that's going to hurt American consumers. 206 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:50.639 Clark, great stuff, Thank you for your time, Thanks for 207 00:11:50.679 --> 00:11:52.879 having me on you bet Clark Packer, there again, research 208 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:55.639 fellow at the Cato Institute. Nice to talk to people 209 00:11:55.639 --> 00:11:56.639 who are smarter than us. 210 00:11:57.080 --> 00:11:58.519 Well set the bar high. 211 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:01.480 I mean I could pull in that guy that's standing 212 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:02.600 out there on the street corner. 213 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:04.679 He'd sounds smarter than that coming with a dog wearing 214 00:12:04.679 --> 00:12:05.720 a T shirt on the corner. 215 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:08.559 Good time to ask you what did you learn this week? 216 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:10.080 Garyan Shannon Show. 217 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:10.840 Let us know. 218 00:12:12.279 --> 00:12:14.360 You can leave as a message on the talkback feature 219 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:15.720 on the Iheard app. 220 00:12:15.759 --> 00:12:17.159 We'll get to him later in the show. 221 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:19.879 Just a quick note also, you may have heard me 222 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:22.000 exclaim about an hour and a half ago that there 223 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:24.639 was a thing that happened at the Oval Office today. 224 00:12:25.440 --> 00:12:29.519 President Trump was officially swearing in doctor Oz to take 225 00:12:29.519 --> 00:12:33.440 over the centers for Medicare and Medicaid, and one of 226 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:38.240 doctor Oz's family members, a guest of his young girl, 227 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:42.720 probably twelve years old or so, had apparently fainted while 228 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:46.639 President Trump was taking questions from reporters, and that quickly 229 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:49.919 prompted the press people at the White House to usher 230 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:50.840 everybody out of the room. 231 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:52.200 Poor girl, poor little girl. 232 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:54.399 She was able to stand up, and her mom actually 233 00:12:54.559 --> 00:13:00.840 was holding her hand over the little girl's mouth like please, please, please, 234 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:03.360 do not barf on the floor of the Oval Office, 235 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:08.120 please please please. So that's what that was awful or 236 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:11.919 super embarrassing, unfortunately. And then the other thing is that 237 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:14.720 Secretary of State Marco Rubio says the United States could 238 00:13:14.759 --> 00:13:18.440 move on from efforts for a Russia Ukraine peace deal 239 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:21.080 if they can't come with can't show any progress in 240 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:21.840 the coming days. 241 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:24.200 There is a meeting that is scheduled. 242 00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:28.840 For London next week where Ukrainian, Russian and American officials 243 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:32.879 are all expected to be somewhat co located and could 244 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:34.399 begin some of that. But he says, if we don't 245 00:13:34.399 --> 00:13:36.240 see any progress. We're just gonna get out of it 246 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:38.720 because it's it's not our business. It's basically what he said. 247 00:13:38.879 --> 00:13:42.080 Remember, if you're planning for Easter, your outfit, make sure 248 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:44.960 your cleavage is not bigger than the cross around your neck. 249 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:49.440 Somebody asked if that means that Jewish women can't show cleavage. 250 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:52.360 That means they can show all they want, what they're 251 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:56.600 showing on Easter. That's not. Oh right, then there's that too. Yeah, 252 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:59.080 so I'm not sure they're concerned about it. 253 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:02.840 All right, when we come back, we are going to 254 00:14:02.960 --> 00:14:05.679 talk about bunnies. 255 00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:12.919 Okay, right, what oh the animals that the you mean 256 00:14:12.960 --> 00:14:16.879 the Easter bunnies? Yeah, okay, I didn't like what are 257 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:17.519 their bunnies? 258 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:19.360 What I'd been talking about earlier in the show. 259 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:21.200 We talked about a bunny that got sucked into a 260 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:22.320 jet engine in Denver. 261 00:14:23.159 --> 00:14:26.399 I thought you meant playboy bunnies. That's because you're dirty 262 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:29.919 mine in that room. 263 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:32.960 Yeah, there's just something that makes us randy, being trapped 264 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:33.720 in this room in here. 265 00:14:34.200 --> 00:14:37.440 I love it. Smut hussies. Whoa Okay, you know what 266 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:38.159 that was too far? 267 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:38.799 Oh? 268 00:14:38.919 --> 00:14:39.639 I went too far? 269 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:44.080 Yeah, Okay, you're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand 270 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:46.159 from KFI AM six forty. 271 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:48.360 This time of year, there's all the alerts that. 272 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:52.559 Come out about I'm not abandoning the bunnies that you 273 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:54.879 buy for Easter, and I feel like it's a media 274 00:14:55.000 --> 00:15:00.720 driven story. How often have you ever known anybody that 275 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:05.480 bought a bunny for Easter, no to enhance their children's experience, 276 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:07.320 and then just let the bunny go. 277 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:08.840 It makes no sense. 278 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:11.679 I believe that this story is right up there with 279 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:18.720 the Bermuda Triangle and quicksand Okay, okay, it's an urban legend. 280 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:20.759 It's not a thing that you need to fear. 281 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:23.440 They're not going to be abandoned bunnies running in the 282 00:15:23.480 --> 00:15:26.600 street that were adopted just for First of all, I've 283 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:28.759 never heard of anyone adopting a bunny. 284 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:29.600 I know people that. 285 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:32.840 Have had bunnies as pets, but like going to a 286 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:36.080 shelter and getting a bunny, You've never heard that. And 287 00:15:36.159 --> 00:15:38.120 the idea that you'd go to a shelter, adopt a 288 00:15:38.200 --> 00:15:40.480 bunny just for Easter and then let it go. 289 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:44.159 That doesn't happen, And then it becomes it becomes Night 290 00:15:44.200 --> 00:15:44.919 of the Leapus. 291 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:45.639 It's not real. 292 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:49.159 What is that that's a horror movie from the early seventies. 293 00:15:49.279 --> 00:15:53.519 Night at the Leapus it's a science fiction film based 294 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:56.200 on a novel called The Year of the Angry Rabbit, 295 00:15:57.360 --> 00:15:59.919 an infestation of mutated rabbits. 296 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:05.919 Yes, money, Oh, there's a trailer. Night of the leapis. 297 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:10.240 Oh, that is some deep track movie. 298 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:14.200 It's an MGM. Right there, You're welcome. You are welcome. Also. 299 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:15.919 I don't want to burst your bubble, you guys, But 300 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:18.320 when I was little, my parents got me a bunny. 301 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:21.639 What did you do with the front door? You're the first? 302 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:25.159 Oh my god, you're you're right here, right here. I 303 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:28.080 do not want to cause conflict. I need a whole story. 304 00:16:28.159 --> 00:16:28.639 So I was. 305 00:16:28.639 --> 00:16:32.799 About five and my parentcy I'm from Oklahoma originally. 306 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:38.639 And second, that's that's slightly different. Can you sing a 307 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:43.240 sorry with Yes? You can, pushy little Surrey with the 308 00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:44.559 fringe on the. 309 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:49.879 Tour, Yes, go again, Gary and Shannon karaoke. 310 00:16:50.039 --> 00:16:52.639 We got it. Oh my god, no, my my parents 311 00:16:53.320 --> 00:17:00.320 golden hairs home moment. Don't stop. Yes, listen, I'm there 312 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:01.639 was a reason why I came to work today. Oh 313 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:04.359 my god, do oh what a beautiful morning. God, I 314 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:07.119 just did that's the day. Yeah, you didn't get to 315 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:09.519 the part, you know, the it's too high for me. 316 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:14.119 I feel like this might be part of your new 317 00:17:14.119 --> 00:17:16.559 weekend show. It should just be carried people just telling 318 00:17:16.599 --> 00:17:17.960 you what they want you to see. I think we 319 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:21.000 do all Oklahoma hits for the rest of the day, 320 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:23.079 and if I'm not included in that, I will. 321 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:27.319 Write you are included. Okay, now hang on, you're in Oklahoma. 322 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:29.440 Your parents bought you a buddy. 323 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:29.839 Money for Easter. 324 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:33.400 Yeah, so it was this keeled bunny and I'm so 325 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:35.079 basic they let me name it. Of course I named 326 00:17:35.079 --> 00:17:36.319 it Thumpter Thumper. 327 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:38.440 Because I'm an old god. Because that's when Bamby came out. 328 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:39.839 All expect more from you. 329 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:40.240 I know. 330 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:41.440 I'm sorry. I was five. 331 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:46.519 What's my creative somehow connected to the resurrection of Christ? 332 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:52.039 Somehow? Five? She didn't know about Jesus on the Cross? 333 00:17:52.119 --> 00:17:54.079 And why did you get a bunny for Easter? 334 00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:57.240 I think it was just because this isn't Bunnies don't 335 00:17:57.240 --> 00:17:59.400 go hand in hand for Christ's sake. 336 00:17:59.319 --> 00:18:03.039 Listen, I know that, but I'm just sorry. 337 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:07.680 I think my parents wanted didn't want to get me 338 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:09.920 a dog. That was the day I wanted a dog 339 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:12.160 or cat, and they were like, no, we'll get you up, bunny. 340 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:17.839 And they built this wonderful like cage outside it says cage, 341 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:20.440 but it was this really beautiful My dad built this great, 342 00:18:20.720 --> 00:18:22.079 you know place for the bunny to stay. 343 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:24.960 And I loved it. I loved Thumper. He slept with 344 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:25.519 me at night. 345 00:18:25.839 --> 00:18:27.240 You know, we used to pick up his little poop 346 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:30.039 pellets everywhere, and like, you know, it taught me, like 347 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:32.799 I just I loved bunnies, I loved animals. And then 348 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:36.319 we were at the grocery store. We were out running 349 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:38.680 airs or something, and somebody broke in and stole him. 350 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:42.720 What yes, just the bunny, just the bunny. They ripped 351 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:44.319 him out of the cage. They broke up in the 352 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:47.759 cage and they stole father. I cried so hard. 353 00:18:47.799 --> 00:18:51.240 Who knew the bunny was there? I don't know, honestly. 354 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:55.519 Somebody do have friends over too, Yeah, I mean somebody 355 00:18:55.559 --> 00:18:57.759 had to have told them or you know something, because 356 00:18:57.759 --> 00:18:59.720 the cage was in the backyard and you know, unless 357 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:00.200 somebody went. 358 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:03.559 And is there any chance your parents pretended that Thumper 359 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:04.200 was stolen? 360 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:05.960 No, my mom did that with my dog. 361 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:06.160 Though. 362 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:08.400 When I was in I knew there was something there. 363 00:19:09.160 --> 00:19:12.440 Yeah, no, she just did not want no dogs. But yeah, 364 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:14.640 I had the bunny. I had the Easter bunny and 365 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:16.319 he was such a little. 366 00:19:16.039 --> 00:19:18.400 Sweel thinking how long did you have Thumper? I had 367 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:21.440 him for probably about a year. What's a life expectancy 368 00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:25.559 on a bunny like that? I don't know. I want 369 00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:26.039 a bunny. 370 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:28.200 Now, you guys get some neighbors who had rabbits, but 371 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:29.359 they weren't connected to Easter. 372 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:31.880 Hey, guys, so our new producer and board op. That's 373 00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:35.279 training Nikki. He is obsessed with bunnies and she knows 374 00:19:35.359 --> 00:19:37.480 everything about bunnies. Do you want to chime ass? Yeah? 375 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:41.119 Tell me tell me bunny stuff. I want to hear 376 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:42.039 all the bunny stuff. 377 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:44.480 Tell me what you know? Nicky, your mic over there? 378 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:48.960 The blue BUTTONO at this, go for it? Can you 379 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:49.240 hear me? 380 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:49.599 Yeah? 381 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:51.559 Introduce yourself. Hi, I'm Nicky. 382 00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:54.000 I'm one of the new producers here. I love her, 383 00:19:54.319 --> 00:19:59.039 love you at present. I believe the Guinness World Record 384 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:03.480 for the longest living rabbit was a rabbit in Illinois 385 00:20:04.039 --> 00:20:06.880 named Mick who lived until age sixteen. 386 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:10.200 Now that you have a lot of very specific items 387 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:12.400 about that bunny, that's. 388 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:16.920 Do you know that we really dive into two fun 389 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:21.119 facts on this show with animals, and to be specific, 390 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:23.160 so you are, you're nailing it right now. 391 00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:23.640 Yeah. 392 00:20:23.680 --> 00:20:27.759 And so my last rabbit lived until age fifteen, which 393 00:20:27.799 --> 00:20:32.240 is insane because wild rabbits, they might be lucky to 394 00:20:32.279 --> 00:20:35.400 live for three years. Oh wow, But domestic rabbits, you're 395 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:38.240 also lucky to have one to live for seven or 396 00:20:38.240 --> 00:20:38.799 eight years. 397 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:41.720 But my gudes, that's with the best care and everything. 398 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:43.640 Well do you know what I did to make sure 399 00:20:43.640 --> 00:20:44.880 that he lived a long life? 400 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:48.920 You didn't need him, No, I'm a vegetarian. Well there's that. No. 401 00:20:49.079 --> 00:20:51.640