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Speaker 1: The infinite complaces people went to and pro fears about

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their little affairs, serene in the assurance of their dominion

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over this small binning fragment of solar driftwood, which, by

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chance or design, man has inherited out of the dark

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mystery of time and face.

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Speaker 2: On this episode of Into the Pray, I welcome Randy

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Hutchings on with me. And he is out in the

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beautiful state of Tennessee. And he has been researching the

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subject of Sasquatdle Bigfoot since nineteen ninety eight and has

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personally taken over one hundred and thirty first hand witness accounts.

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He has written two different books. He also has his

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own cryptid con essentially and even a cryptid camp out,

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which I love. I mean, if you're in an area like Tennessee,

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why not do something like that, right, Randy, But welcome on.

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Speaker 3: The show exactly, thank you. That was our thoughts exactly

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on the campout. I like to call Tennessee the New

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Zealand of the South, So.

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Speaker 2: I like that. I like that well, and funny enough,

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you speak of New Zealand and that's where they filmed

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a lot of the Lord of the Rings, and you

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even have a book on the little people. I do, Yes,

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I love that subject. Yeah, I wanted to name the

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books so that people can look those up as we

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begin to chat here. But the Bigfoot book is Bear

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Mountain Bigfoot, the case for Sasquatch on the Southern Cumberland Plateau,

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and then the book on the little people is Tennessee

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Pigmy legend or reality. I am fascinated by the little people.

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I'm sure we'll touch on them just a little bit

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pun intended, but I do. I would definitely like to

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see one of those. I've heard a couple of encounters

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where someone might be solo camping and one of these

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little people come in and get a little bit close,

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and it's actually honestly creepy. So yes, I would like

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to see one. But then again it's still very very creepy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I've always told my team members like, that's

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the one thing I don't want to see out in

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the woods. I don't want to see a little person.

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Speaker 2: So I think under any circumstances, You're like, no.

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Speaker 3: I'm good. There's too many. I've taken too many. I've

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taken like seven sightings. You know of those like where

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people have said they've seen them, and that's just like

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me our county, in a neighboring county, and there's just

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something about it that, like, I mean, it's like having

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a big foot sighting. It rattles your world. But like

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the way they describe it, it's it's it is creepy.

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It's it's like so out of the norm, and so

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how is this thing surviving out in the wild? To

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me at least, that uh yeah, it freaks me out.

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Speaker 2: How many had clothes and how many were sands clothes?

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Speaker 3: One one had clothes on and they said that it

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looked like like a sack, just look like it looked

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like a sack that it had basically taken in cut

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holes in. But the rest of them were naked.

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Speaker 2: They said, yeah, any any of them carrying anything? No, okay, no, yeah, yeah,

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there's a there's a story that I just recently brought

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this up. So people are gonna roll their eyes because

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they're like, God, Sheena, how many times are you gonna

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bring this up? But since you actually wrote a book

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on this, you would appreciate this, So I have to

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bring it up with you, Okay. So John Olson's come

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on and he collects creepy stories in Utah, and I

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think this was probably in the u Wenta Mountains. A

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lot of creepy stuff goes down the Uentas and a

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guy went solo camping and he's reading a book and

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he kept hearing stuff off, you know, from his campsite

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and everything, and he fell asleep reading this book. So

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he's passed out and he wakes up and he can

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see a tiny little man, a little person off on

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the log that's surround you know, at the edge of

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his campsite, and it's holding his damn book, which means

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it came right the hell up to his noggin while

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he was asleep and grabbed his book.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's no, no dig you. Yeah, yep. I'm out

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there with you on that one.

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Speaker 2: I had to share that with you. So yeah, that's.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that where Pedro was found? The well, maybe you

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don't know about Pedro. I think it was the Unto

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Mountains in Wyoming or you taught me. And there was

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a little sixteen inch man that was found mummified on

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a shelf in a cave. I talk about it in

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my book a little bit, but it was paraded around

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for about twenty years around the US where they were

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showing this little man, this little mummified man off in

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kind of like the sideshow circuit and they called it Pedro.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where if that was where he was found.

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I now have to look that up. I don't recall that. Yeah,

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a lot of creepy stuff. Okay, So I all right,

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maybe I got the little people out of my system.

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by them. So when I saw it you wrote a

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book on them, I'm like, uh oh, I'm gonna have

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to bring that up with Randy. Okay, So before you

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got into Bigfoot, did you even believe in bigfoot at all?

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and everybody's out bigfoot?

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at all, like you'd hear the old folk talk about boogers.

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by my grandparents. I just took that as like old folk,

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you know, folklore. I didn't take it as actually something

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that was out there. And I I was open to

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there being bigfoot, but it was always that's something in

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the Pacific Northwest. That's not something that's here in Tennessee.

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and then I didn't, I don't know how else to

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explain what it was that happened to me other than Bigfoot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the good old boogers. Okay, So what would your

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grandparents say about the boogers? Is it was did you

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feel like it was just a story to keep you

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out of the woods at night and get you home

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when it's dark kind of a thing?

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in the hollows. Yeah, that you didn't go down the

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halls after dark because that's where the boogers would be.

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dad knew that talked about the boogers coming off the

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mountain after dark, that you don't want to be trapped

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up on the mountain after dark because that's when the

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boogers come off the mountain. And as a kid, it

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was like, sure, okay, whatever, you know, that's that's really

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how I kind of looked at it. I didn't think

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anything to it. And that same mountain though that they

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talked about the boogers coming down off the mountain. I've

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had several encounters up there, not sightings, but like vocalizations

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and like woodenknocks and stuff like that on that same mountain.

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Speaker 2: So you already kind of hinted that you had a sighting.

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than that, it wasn't really on your brain. So if

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you wouldn't mind sharing that kind of inception story with us.

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Speaker 3: Sure, sure it was nineteen ninety nineteen ninety eight, or

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rock corry that's outside of town, about three miles outside

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of my town, and it's about a mile hike to

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get up to this rock cory. And I had heard

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my entire life all of these weird stories about this

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abandoned rock cory because it had been abandoned for almost

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twenty years when we got it. When we were going

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up there and people talking about hearing you know, weird

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screams and cries and stuff like that, but I never

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thought anything of it. Figured they were hearing bobcats something

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like that. But the day we got up there, as

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soon as we got up there, we stuck our feet.

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the water of this there's a lake in this, like

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big Box Canyon, And so we're sitting there with our

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feet in the lake and we've been there maybe five

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minutes or so, and something up on top of the cliff.

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all sides of this Box canyon. Something starts vocalizing at us.

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or something, because there are no animals that make this sound,

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so it's got to be somebody, you know, messing with us.

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kept going over and over and getting louder, and we

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started kind of like laughing about it, thinking it's a

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hunter trying to mess with us. So we started making

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the sound back and it just goes quiet. And as

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we're sitting there, you know, with it being quiet for

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a couple of a minute or so, We're like, okay,

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I guess that. You know, dude finally got his happies

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off or whatever a boulder about. You know, this big

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weighing well over three hundred pounds just goes sailing off

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of this cliff and splashes into the water about sixty

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feet away from us, so hard that the waves. I

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remember the waves hitting our legs where our feet were

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still in the water, and where my cousin looks at

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me and he's like, what could do that? And immediately

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I'm like, I don't know that. There's nothing. You know,

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I'm a big guy. I'm six to four man, I'm

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like two hundred fifteen pounds. I'm a pretty browny guy.

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I cannot could not if I tried pick up that boulder,

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much less throw it twenty five thirty feet like a flung.

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all that, you know, I'm like, what could do this?

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to say it was a bull that got stuck up

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there on the cliff somehow, and I'm like, out did

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the bull throw a boulder and he's like, well, I

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don't know about that part, but uh so, So I

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ended up going on the line and trying to find, like,

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you know, animal sounds, and I ended up going to

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a BFRO website way back in the day and there

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was a sound on there that was similar. So I

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contacted them and they ended up contacting me, and that

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was kind of my my descent into the field investigation.

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so I did for a little while, and then I

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went on my own with Mary Green. If you've ever

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heard of Mary Green back in the gay here in Tennessee. Yeah,

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she took me under her wing and she really taught

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talk to people, how to get get information out of them,

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how to let them know that you you know, you're there,

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you actually care, You're not trying to make fun of them,

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stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a huge part of it, right, I mean,

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we're were you guys right out of the gate thinking

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what else could do that? I mean, men, even you said,

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you're like, I couldn't have picked that up, so immediately

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did you go that was a damn bogger.

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well I got then with it making the sounds. It

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sounded kind of like a uh, like a bull mixed

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with a haller monkey, and that primate haller monkey kind

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of was I think what led me to look looking

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on the big Foot websites because it was like, what

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else could that be? They could throw something like that?

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while ago, but do you recall what where the recording

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was recorded that was similar to the sound that you heard?

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What state that would have been from? Just out of curiosity,

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I believe, Okay, I think, yeah, that is helpful when

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people actually do submit the recordings, right, because then you

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a fox or something, you know, because a lot of

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times people misidentifying that's okay, yeah, all right, so.

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Speaker 3: You never a box screamer or even a cottontail scream

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you know, when they're when a cottontail's being caught, you'll

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think that a woman's being you know, killed, not the woods.

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what that was? Or was that literally the first thing

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that occurred.

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Speaker 3: I I did a couple of things, like there was

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time I've been going up to that that that same

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quarry for years before this ever happened. And again like

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I had heard stories, and one of the things that

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one of the stories I had heard and it had

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happened to me was it seemed like I had been

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walked out of there before as a teenager, like something

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had tricked in the woods near me. But as a teenager,

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it was like I was like, I'm just being paranoid,

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you know, I was.

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Speaker 4: I was.

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Speaker 3: Just making excuses really, But but I've wondered since then

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if that wasn't if that was you know, the same

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family that lives in that same area there, What were.

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Speaker 2: You doing that you felt like you well that they

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felt like you needed to be escorted out You just

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happened to be there walking through or were you fishing.

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Speaker 3: That that I My theory is that they there's a

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family of bigfoot that basically live up there on the

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mountain near that quarry, And I think that where people

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have told me they've been walked out as well. I

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think they're basically walking you out because they see that

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lake up there as a resource. You know, if you're

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up there fishing or you're up there swimming or whatever

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you're you're messing with their food. There's fishing there. Uh,

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you know, that's what I think.

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Speaker 2: What were you what were you doing at that time.

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Speaker 3: Going up to the lake and swimming and stuff?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, coming back. Did you ever come across any other

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reports from that very quarry over the years over the years.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I've actually talked to a talked to a

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group that was camping up there once. They did not

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call it a bigfoot, they called it a huge man.

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But it was early in the morning, the sun was

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coming up, and there was a heard of deer that

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they saw on top of the cliffs, come to the

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edge of the cliffs, move down the cliff line, and

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then where it goes down down the cliff line, it

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opens up and there's a big broad almost like a peninsula,

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that sticks out over the lake there, and they the

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deer stood there at that peninsula and they said they

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saw a huge man walk out of the woods and

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just stand there the silhouette of him at the top

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of the cliffs staring at the deer. And I'm pretty

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sure that's what they saw, is they saw one of

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the sasquats that live up there, and he was hunting

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those deer, and the deer knew the people were there,

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so they came out and they opened you know what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a cool sighting. Yeah, like far enough away

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to where you don't feel like he's going to cannonball

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into the lake and come and get you, but you know, uh,

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close enough to where you go that's a really big guy.

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Yeah right, yeah, cannon ball. Okay, So in between that

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first experience with your cousin and then you're starting to

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pick a momentum and researching and things, what are out

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of this one hundred and thirty plus And I know

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you have other experiences that I want to get to,

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but what are a couple of memorable ones that you

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went out to that you know, maybe someone was shaken

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up by, or a unique encounter experience that you've come across.

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Speaker 3: Sure, there's there's a specific road up on up here

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that we called Sasquatch Highway because there's so many sidings

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around that road. Both there was a we we went

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out and talked to a family that was having sidings

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on their property on that that specific road, and six

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months later through the gcb r O if you know

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who they are, a friend. Then the gc barrew contacted

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me and he's like, look, I've got a siding from

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up your way if you want it. And so I

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got it completely from a separate, you know, organization, not

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from not from our guys, and we have to go

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check it out. And the lady was like, you might

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want to see this, and she takes me over to

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a glass this big glass door that they had installed

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in the sight of the storage shed that they had outside.

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And the storage shed they had like a big snooker's

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table and a couple of ATVs off the side, and

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they said that they would go in there and play

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pool and snookers, and it was too hot during the summer,

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so they installed this new door and it's just big

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glass door and on this glass door was this full

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facial imprint seven and a half foot up on this

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door where something had come in and just mashed its

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greasy face up against the glass and left this impression

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where you could see the hairs, the individual hairs going

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across its brow over into its nose. Its nose was

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about three inches wide. It was wild, and it freaked

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them out quite a bit because you know this they

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had never they knew that they'd had wood knocks and

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things like that on their property. And the lady said

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she was pretty comfortable with it at that point, but

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seeing where it was coming up and looking in the

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window and just how big and ugly really he was,

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that really freaked the lady out.

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Speaker 2: They really are such creepers, aren't they.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of. And we call that one Atticus, based

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off one of the one of the the eyewitnesses. She

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named Atticus, but we started calling him Aticus because he

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it's like something he does on that road. He will

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just window peak in on people. People like has come

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to us and told us like, I was washing the

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dishes and I noticed the movement and I look over

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and there's this giant thing staring at me in the window.

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And so Atticus just likes the window peak. I don't

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know if it's entertainment. He doesn't seem to be aggressive.

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It just seems to be you know, she's bored.

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Speaker 2: We are entertainment for them, that's for sure.

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Speaker 5: I mean.

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Speaker 2: And the funny thing is, and I'm always talking to

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folks that, you know, they they either don't have blinds

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or curtains, or if they do, they just don't shut them.

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And I'm always like, yeah, why don't you close your

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damn blinds?

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Speaker 5: But hey, what do I know?

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Speaker 3: But you know, what did you guys?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we're the movies for them. I suppose

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why not? But you know, it unless and I would

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imagine if they're in there playing their games and doing

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whatever it would take him. It whatever to be literally

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what he's doing up against the glass for you to

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actually see him. Because if if you just take a

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step away from something like that and you're all lit

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up and the outside's dark, you're not seeing a damn thing.

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Speaker 3: Nothing at all. Yeah. Yeah, Like I said, one of

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those one of those witnesses was talking about washing her

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dishes and just she just noticed moving out of the

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corner of her eye and there he was. So now

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who knows how long he was even standing there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, att a kiss. That's a cool name for a sasquadal.

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I like that seven and a half feet tall. It's

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easy to throw numbers around. And you know, I implore

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anybody to take a measuring tape and take it up

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seven and a half eight feet tall and it's a

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lot taller than you think it is.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it is that. When she told me, she's like,

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you know, when she was showing me the facial imprint,

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she actually opened the door and she's like, you notice

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the stairs and there was no stairs. They had not

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they had not installed stairs at all, so it was

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just a big drop down to the gravel. So he

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was just standing there on that gravel, you know, just

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no problem.

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Speaker 2: See you fine, Thanks a bunch for the show. Does

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she did she take a picture before that faded or

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got cleaned up?

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, she took several.

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Speaker 2: Actually yeah really is that?

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Speaker 6: So?

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Speaker 2: Was that while you were so doing your solo work

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or with the g C b R or where I was, Well,

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that was.

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Speaker 3: Did you say Barrow was the ones that gave me

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the the oh right right, yeah, deciding told me to

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go check it out and stuff. Yeah, but I was

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checking it for forty in Tennessee, which is my group.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is that able to be seen anywhere by anybody

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that that picture.

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Speaker 3: I can probably get you a copy of it, get

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to sit to you.

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Speaker 2: That would be amazing.

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Speaker 3: Is that?

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Speaker 2: But is that for? Is that just for me? Is

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that just for me to see?

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Speaker 5: Though?

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Speaker 3: Well, she doesn't really get I mean she would. She's

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told me that she would let me have one if

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I wanted one.

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Speaker 2: Oh, well done, No, that's okay. I don't want to

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make her uncomfortable. That was probably a while ago, anyway,

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so she'd be like, wait, who are you sharing this with?

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We don't want to make anybody uncomfy. That is so

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cool though, well unless you live there and it's bothering you.

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But she's but you said she was kind of used

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to it at that point though. But then when she

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sees this face seven and a half feet up, did

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that freak her out? Then?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? It freaked her out. Yeah, she was, she because

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up until that point she was kind of accepting, like

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they're out in the woods and they stay where they

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need to stay, and they don't come in on the

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property at that much things like that. But that that

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was a show of like, no, they're on the property

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and they look in your windows.

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Speaker 2: Then it turns. Then it takes a turn, and that

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really doesn't make it a whole lot different though, when

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things start to interact and come in that closely. Did

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anything happen after that for that woman on that property.

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Speaker 3: They've had some stuff happen. It's mainly WOODENKNOCKX and some vocalizations.

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Speaker 2: Right to him. Yeah, I mean what do you do though,

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you know, do you really pick up and move? He

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hasn't really done anything. You know, I know some people

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might want to leave, but it's not that he can't

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just pick up and move your house, you know.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, her husband, her husband was a military contractor

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and so a lot of the time, she said that,

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you know, she'd be up there by herself for months

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on end, and she would be hearing the wooden knox

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and things like that. And again, you know, this is

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before she saw the FACI imprint, the facial imprint, so

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I didn't really bother. She said, it kind of felt secure,

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like they were keeping an eye on her. And then

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when the facial imprint had and like her husband was

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very kind of hesitant to believe anything was going on.

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He's like, you know, you don't know what's making those

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wood knocks and stuff like that was making excuses, but

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once the facial imprint, they kind of solidified. You know,

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there was stuff going on that that the wife was

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you know sure about.

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Speaker 2: So do you recall if when he when Atticus came

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in and actually looked in against the glass, was she

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there by herself at that time or was that one

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of the points when her husband was home.

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Speaker 3: Her husband was home?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, so actually her husband being home could

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have been you know, something different and it's like, oh

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he's back again, you know. Yeah, not to throw human attributes,

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but you know, maybe he was jealous or something. I mean, uh,

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Donna and Gregg's property that they had in Washington State,

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it was almost the exact same situation. She was home

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alone a lot of the time, and when he would

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be home, it seemed like some of the activity would

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be a little bit different at that point, you know,

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versus when she was alone. So that is very interesting.

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Thanks for sharing that, Randy. Yeah, So how about well

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why don't we go here? Because in your email you

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mentioned that there's actually essentially five separate what you call

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hotspots in the Cumberland Plateau area. So it did that

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come from? You know, maybe some of your investigations from

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other people's reports, and then you just kind of go

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out and you're camping, and then maybe you were corroborating

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with your own kind of hearing things and seeing things.

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Speaker 3: Some of them, yes, some are bad way exactly. Our

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main hot spot is up on the Comeland Plateau, and

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that's where we did the Crypti camp out this last

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couple of weeks ago, a few weeks back, and then

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the other camp The other hot spots are roughly about

473
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twenty twenty five miles apart each. It makes us, it

474
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,000
gives us the impression that we're dealing with different family units.

475
00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:14,680
We think, I can't swear that, but it seems that way.

476
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:19,039
Speaker 2: So what would give you the hint that there are

477
00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:23,200
that many different family units? Just the vocalizations are different,

478
00:25:23,319 --> 00:25:25,880
the course of sightings are different color of hair, things

479
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,880
like that, things like that.

480
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 3: The descriptions of the Bigfoot that people have seen, those

481
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,640
areas footprints that we've actually found that were different sizes,

482
00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:40,880
Like on one place whide Buffalo Mountain there we've found

483
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,680
regularly a seventeen and a half inch print and a

484
00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:47,920
nineteen inch print, and we found it like all over

485
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,000
different parts of that whole mountain, and then in another

486
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,839
place like our main hotspot where we had the cryptic

487
00:25:52,839 --> 00:25:55,359
camp out, they actually found some fifteen and a half

488
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,799
inch prints and we have found up to twenty two

489
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,440
inch prints up there at that side. What's wild about that?

490
00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:05,079
I don't want to get into the camp out thing

491
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,160
like before you want me to, but there we actually

492
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,599
had a sighting our first day of the camp out,

493
00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:15,880
two of our attendants, and it was such a roughly

494
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,759
eleven foot individual and we think he's the individual that

495
00:26:19,839 --> 00:26:22,559
had the twenty two inch prints that we found. So

496
00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:25,480
it's corroborative and it's just like really made our day

497
00:26:25,519 --> 00:26:28,680
that they had that sighting when they did, because they

498
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,079
had no idea about the foot print sizes that we'd

499
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,039
found in the past, and when they were describing how

500
00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:36,880
big he was, where like, that has to be him,

501
00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:37,680
it has to be.

502
00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 2: Oh that's great corroboration, isn't it.

503
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,559
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh my god, it it made our whole camp out.

504
00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 2: No, absolutely no, I don't care when we get into things.

505
00:26:47,519 --> 00:26:50,480
That's how the conversation goes where it goes. I love it. Okay,

506
00:26:50,519 --> 00:26:54,039
So that happened just on this very last camp out.

507
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, this last month in April.

508
00:26:57,319 --> 00:27:01,839
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, so what was seventeenth What was this eleven

509
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,160
foot doing when he was spotted?

510
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,519
Speaker 3: They were it was a father and son and they

511
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,519
were walking across a bridge. There's a bridge over over

512
00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:13,839
one of the creeks that's near the campsite, and as

513
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,519
they were walking over this bridge, they both said that

514
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:19,160
they noticed it. They were about about ten foot apart

515
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,279
on this bridge. They noticed what looked like what they

516
00:27:22,319 --> 00:27:26,279
thought at first was a blooming dogwood tree because it

517
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,160
was white. And as they walked were walking, they were

518
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,160
they kept noticing it kind of moving, and they thought

519
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,759
it was the breeze at first, and as they moved,

520
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,440
it just straight up started moving and trying to get

521
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,880
behind a cab. There's an old abandoned cabin down there

522
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,279
near the river, and it was trying to get behind

523
00:27:43,319 --> 00:27:45,279
that cabin, and they watched it. They said, when they

524
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,960
realized what they were looking at, they said it was

525
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,279
it was a kind of lanky and thin and had

526
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,079
white hair and was about eleven foot tall. They and

527
00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:01,920
we had about five researchers on the spot within about

528
00:28:02,839 --> 00:28:07,519
uh thirty minutes of it happening, I found a footprint

529
00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:10,240
over there I found a bunch of decomp like where

530
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,759
the ground was was compressed, where something with weight had

531
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:18,160
gone through there. Uh, it was wild. It's so well,

532
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,960
we think we think it was Archie. We call him

533
00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:21,160
Archie does.

534
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So next the seven and a half foot

535
00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:29,720
Now take that tape measure to eleven and see if

536
00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:35,079
you need your pants changed. A white bigfoot. Okay. So,

537
00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:39,279
and especially when you said lanky and thin, then that

538
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,279
automatically kind of solidified in my mind. You just when

539
00:28:43,319 --> 00:28:45,079
you think of a white bigfoot. We all get our

540
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,400
gray sprouts when we get older, and then the white

541
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,720
bigfoot you think is maybe an older one. Then you

542
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,920
said he is lanky and thin. Granted he's still eleven

543
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,160
feet tall, but maybe that is an older individual.

544
00:28:57,559 --> 00:29:01,079
Speaker 3: Right, that's what we think. Yeah, yeah, years years in

545
00:29:01,119 --> 00:29:05,119
that hotspot where we found those those prints. We found

546
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,119
those twenty two inch prints twice, and they've always been

547
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,160
in the exact same area. This it's this one area

548
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,599
that's basically surrounded by six seep springs come out of

549
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,440
the ground and they all combined into a little stream,

550
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,200
and it's the help That area of the ground there's

551
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,400
really soft, it's really good for getting tracks and where

552
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,319
we found his tracks once they were coming down a

553
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,680
hill and there was a ten and a half inch

554
00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:32,680
stride between two tracks, so he looked like he was running.

555
00:29:34,359 --> 00:29:38,519
But we found huge arch formations back there, I mean

556
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,759
thirty foot trees pulled over, you know, stuck under under

557
00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:46,599
a log, and like we so we had this impression

558
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,599
that there's a big male in this area. And we

559
00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:53,039
started calling him Archie because because the arch trees and

560
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,480
so that the fact that like they saw one of

561
00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:58,200
the same roughly the size that he was estimated to

562
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,039
be with those kind of tracks. Oh, I just yeah,

563
00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:02,200
made our day.

564
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, without them knowing the size of the tracks that

565
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:08,559
you had already measured, You're like, holy crap that it

566
00:30:09,079 --> 00:30:15,160
tracks no pun intended, right, that is incredible. How how

567
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,000
big would you say the whole Cumberland Plateau area is?

568
00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 3: I think, if I'm not mistaken, it's it's like three

569
00:30:24,279 --> 00:30:28,599
hundred and something miles from Kentucky down into Alabama. It

570
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,039
technically goes all the way up up into Kentucky, down

571
00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:35,160
into northern Alabama and then all the way through Tennessee.

572
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 2: WHOA, Okay, yeah, I'm only vaguely familiar with Tennessee, because

573
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,880
of what I was talking to you about maybe one

574
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,799
of these days being in that area, you are making

575
00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:55,319
the case as to why that should happen. Also, Okay,

576
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,400
within these hot spots you said, vocalization, wood knocks, track finds,

577
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:04,839
and then direct visual encounters, which you just talked about. So,

578
00:31:05,519 --> 00:31:07,720
oh well, before we go off of that though, let's

579
00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:09,400
stay on the camp out for a second, because we

580
00:31:09,559 --> 00:31:13,079
just had the We had Archie right, what else went

581
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,680
on during this particular camp out? Anything?

582
00:31:16,519 --> 00:31:21,039
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah. To be completely honest, miss lea girl

583
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,559
like I. When we were doing this camp at planning it,

584
00:31:24,119 --> 00:31:25,759
we put it in our main hotspot because we have

585
00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:28,559
so much activity there. But we were we were genuinely like,

586
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,799
man if if just we get a wood knock and

587
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,759
some people hear it, we'll be happy, you know, Like

588
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,680
then things will have happened. But like I said, the

589
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,440
first day that they had deciding, the first night held

590
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,359
bit Holler was our guests at the at the camp out,

591
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,480
and they let us in a bunch of night hikes

592
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:50,240
and night ops and we had people there that had

593
00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:53,640
never never big put it at all. They came with thermal,

594
00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:57,880
came with night vision came with parabolics, I mean they

595
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,480
were decked out. It was beauty, and so Jesse and

596
00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:06,400
Joe's put everybody up in groups. We went out about

597
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,240
a mile and a half total in groups of four.

598
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:12,960
We got thermals the first night we were out there of

599
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,079
what looked like some kind of weird, ghostly face down

600
00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:20,079
in the bottoms. We spent the next day actually trying

601
00:32:20,119 --> 00:32:22,960
to dispute what that thermal was like out there on site.

602
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,960
We had about thirty people out on site, like going

603
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,680
through every every possible angle to make sure that this

604
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,640
wasn't some sort of you know, some some kind of

605
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,039
leaf or some kind of whatever. And we couldn't figure

606
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:40,640
out what it was. And we found what looked like

607
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:45,160
prince that were leading away from where the thermal was taken.

608
00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:49,400
The next night we had wood knocks. We had a

609
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,880
couple of vocalizations that they actually heard all the way

610
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,440
up on the campsite where we were actually where we

611
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,359
were was about a mile and a half to a

612
00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:00,880
mile and a quarter away from the camp on the

613
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,440
trail where we have all our activity, most or most

614
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,599
of our activity. We had another group of researchers that

615
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:12,440
were on a different trail, and we had something come

616
00:33:12,519 --> 00:33:18,839
through that was so wretchedly, horrendously stinky that the people

617
00:33:18,839 --> 00:33:21,039
that was on one trail smelled it, and then the

618
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:24,039
people on our trail smelled it where it was traveling through.

619
00:33:26,039 --> 00:33:29,279
And then something knocked tree down at one of our

620
00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:33,559
one of our recon groups. Freaked them out.

621
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: That must have been so loud.

622
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,799
Speaker 3: It was like it was about one hundred feet away

623
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:42,119
from where they were where the tree came down. Yeah, yeah,

624
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,319
so they were. They were freaked out.

625
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: It was great, Yeah, that will do it. See, And

626
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:49,920
that's what I love about people like Jesse and Joe.

627
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,200
They go out all the time. They have the gear

628
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,240
because having even just a thermal is such an invaluable tool,

629
00:33:56,319 --> 00:34:00,240
because even a squirrel rooting around in some deadly leaves

630
00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:01,960
can sound a hell of a lot bigger than it

631
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,480
actually is. So that way you can go, Okay, that's

632
00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:09,239
a raccoon, that's whatever. But the fact that you said that,

633
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,440
you've got like thirty people trying to essentially debunk and

634
00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:16,840
figure out something normal that it was or it's paradolia

635
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,159
or it's a stick. You know, well, you're saying leaves

636
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,519
or sticks or whatever. I appreciate that very much because,

637
00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:26,119
as you know, a lot of people, everything to them

638
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:29,280
is Bigfoot and it's just it's not. So that is.

639
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:31,199
Speaker 3: Exactly, and that's what we're trying to do with the

640
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:33,559
campout was was trying to like give people kind of

641
00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:35,960
the basics for like, you know, so you can go

642
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,719
out and do your own, boots on the ground, investigating yourself. Yeah,

643
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,880
you know, don't don't don't wait on somebody to take you.

644
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,840
Go out there and do it yourself. That's all. That's

645
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:44,840
the best way to do it.

646
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 2: Was that your first camp out that you did.

647
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 3: That is the first campout we did.

648
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: Yeh.

649
00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: Are you guys going to be doing them every year?

650
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 3: I we're thinking about doing them every year.

651
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:55,519
Speaker 2: Yeah awesome, Well I will be on one of those

652
00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:58,440
one of these days. Count me in. That sounds amazing, dude.

653
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: If you want to be involved, we will totally totally

654
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:01,599
hosts you one.

655
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 2: No, I will, I please, I will come out a

656
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,079
second to something like that. I need some woods in

657
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:13,559
my life, that's all I know. Okay, how about this

658
00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:16,320
tree peaker experience.

659
00:35:18,119 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 3: The one that was popping up back like doing this you.

660
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,199
Speaker 2: Said it was a female you mentioned in the email.

661
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, well that was that was on our

662
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,760
primary hotspot where we had the camp out.

663
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

664
00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that didn't happen at the camp out. It happened

665
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,480
years ago, but it was in the same area. We

666
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,440
were going down the trail about eleven thirty at night

667
00:35:39,079 --> 00:35:43,800
and we saw eyeshine off the side. So we all

668
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:49,400
had these huge, like three thy five hundred loom lamps

669
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,920
on us. So we just blast the side of the

670
00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:56,679
where this this eye shine is completely thinking we're going

671
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,480
to blast a raccoon or an apossum or something like that,

672
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:03,480
and whatever it is, it ducks. And so we're over

673
00:36:03,519 --> 00:36:07,639
here like just daylighting this whole area and we start

674
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:12,039
noticing these two trees and something's popping up and looking

675
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:15,000
at us like this, and it's got forward facing eyes

676
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:20,679
and like chocolate brown hair, and so one of our

677
00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:23,719
researcher buddies it's with us, Gatto. He's like, he's shorter

678
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,880
than we are. He can't really see it from the

679
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,800
perspective where he's standing, so he's like, let me in there,

680
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,320
let me go see, let me go see. And we're like, dude,

681
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,599
we don't know what that is. You need to wait

682
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,679
we need to forget, you know, figure out what we're

683
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,719
looking at. And he's like, just let me go see.

684
00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:42,159
So we're like, you know what, goat take off, and

685
00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:45,440
so he goes chomping into the woodline. And this is

686
00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:48,559
again eleven thirty nine. He disappears from our camera. We've

687
00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:52,760
got GoPros and stuff on, and he disappears about ten

688
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,559
seconds goes by and I call out and I'm like, Gotto,

689
00:36:56,679 --> 00:37:01,280
do you see anything? And he responds with yeah, I'm

690
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:06,840
looking straight at her. And May and my friend Joshua

691
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,599
Manning look at each other and like, what do you

692
00:37:10,679 --> 00:37:14,159
mean her? And he's like, she's right in front of me.

693
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,199
And Gotto explained that basically when he got back there,

694
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,639
he's walking back there through the trees and there is

695
00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:26,440
this female sasquatch that is on its hands and knee

696
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:31,280
and hands and feet like spread out like spider, crawling backwards,

697
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,440
crawls under a log, and after it crawls under the log,

698
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:40,159
it stands up and he says, he tells me later

699
00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:41,800
that it's not as big as you are. I'm six

700
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,400
foot four, but as bigger than me. And he's like,

701
00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:47,239
I think Gotto is five foot eight. So it was

702
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,480
like somewhere in the six food range. But he said

703
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,159
that you it was very obvious when it stood up

704
00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:57,079
that it was female. And then then he he he

705
00:37:57,199 --> 00:37:59,159
kind of said everything washed over and like what was

706
00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:00,559
going on? And he got he got out of he

707
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,880
heard his call and tell him he needs to come

708
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,280
out of there, and he got out of there. So

709
00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:09,280
but uh, it was kind of funny, like he got

710
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,679
back to site the camp site later and we couldn't

711
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,039
find him anywhere. He just disappeared and he ended up

712
00:38:16,039 --> 00:38:18,599
coming like about an hour later. We find him and

713
00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:21,800
he's just white, white as a sheet, and he's like,

714
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,719
I had to go evacuate everything out of my body.

715
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,079
He's like, did everything hit me at once? What had

716
00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:32,519
just happened? And he's like I just couldn't, just had

717
00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:33,079
to had to go.

718
00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 2: So so, not only did he see a spider crawl,

719
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,679
he saw a reverse spider crawl.

720
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,679
Speaker 3: He saw yes, yes, pretty much, yeah, under a log,

721
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,320
which to me, the spatial awareness you have to have

722
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,320
just to crawl under something much less backwards on your hands,

723
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:54,079
that's crazy.

724
00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 2: That's yeah. That must have been insane to see that

725
00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:02,400
and something that it gets still six feet tall and

726
00:39:03,159 --> 00:39:06,239
especially even the females. You know, they usually are like

727
00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:09,719
three four feet across whenever, blah blah. But to be

728
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:15,519
able to be that agile in that position in reverse

729
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:21,559
is insane. Yeah, would you want to see something like?

730
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:23,159
Speaker 3: What's that?

731
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: Would you want to see one? Do that?

732
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: I'm good? Yeah, I'm good. My third sighting that I

733
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:35,960
ever had was of a juvenile, and it disturbed me

734
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,360
so badly. They like at this point, like, I'm good

735
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,199
if I don't see another sasquat. Oh I want to

736
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,719
go out there and like get evidence as we can

737
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,480
and all that, but like every time I see one,

738
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,800
they it rattles my my world so badly. For for

739
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,039
a few weeks, they're like, I don't know if I

740
00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:56,039
want to see another one or not.

741
00:39:56,199 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 2: Oh, we will definitely get to that then. Holy sh

742
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,480
I see. Everybody always says be careful what you wish for, right,

743
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:08,440
So yeah, man, So Gatto sees this squatch do that?

744
00:40:09,519 --> 00:40:11,679
How far was he from her?

745
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 3: Oh god? He said he was probably within ten to

746
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:14,480
fifteen feet.

747
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:17,559
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, no wonder And he.

748
00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 3: Said when he went back there, when he when he

749
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,960
first saw her, he said, the first thing he saw

750
00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:24,920
was her eyes because he said her eyes were locked

751
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,679
onto him. And he said her eyes never like, never

752
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,000
looked away the entire time she was moving backwards. They

753
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:33,760
were just locked on him the entire time.

754
00:40:35,039 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can. I can try to picture that. Uh

755
00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:40,920
and it that would freak me the hell out too, absolutely.

756
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,679
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, definitely.

757
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,559
Speaker 2: So for you to say, yeah, I'm good, that makes

758
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:49,039
sense to me because just like them being massive and

759
00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:54,039
being in trees or in deep bodies of water, there's

760
00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:56,920
just something weird about that to me. And so is

761
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,639
the spider crawl. But the reverse spider crawl, that's a

762
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:03,360
new one. That is a big holy sheisa, my goodness,

763
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:08,920
gracious did now does that mean that that was Gatto's

764
00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:12,559
I'm good on this for a while. Did that change

765
00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:14,519
him going out into the woods after that?

766
00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 3: It did actually for a while. Yeah. He wouldn't go

767
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,480
out to the to our hot spot by itself for

768
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:21,800
a pretty good while after that.

769
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,039
Speaker 2: And he used to though he used to be great

770
00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:25,960
like by.

771
00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 3: Used to go out there by ourselves all the time.

772
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,559
Then after my siding and then after him seeing what

773
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:33,000
he saw and we were we were with him when he

774
00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:35,639
saw what he saw, he still won't go out there.

775
00:41:35,679 --> 00:41:36,800
By hisself to this day.

776
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 2: Whoa, Oh, my goodness, and I'm sorry when did when

777
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:41,119
did that occur?

778
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 3: That was in twenty and sixteen, now.

779
00:41:45,679 --> 00:41:50,159
Speaker 2: Seventeen, and still to this day he's like, nope, I'm

780
00:41:50,199 --> 00:41:55,480
not going solow. God, who could blame him? My goodness, gracious.

781
00:41:56,199 --> 00:41:58,519
Did you get the sense that And of course we

782
00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:00,800
wouldn't know because it's very much like the end of

783
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,159
Harry and Henderson's where you don't see anything until they

784
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,960
move or they want you to. But did you get

785
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,960
a sense that there was others around? During that tree

786
00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:10,400
peaker sequence?

787
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,199
Speaker 3: We heard stuff on the side behind us, And again

788
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:16,519
I don't know if it was because we had a

789
00:42:16,599 --> 00:42:19,639
drenaline was rolling and we were just like hearing every

790
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,440
little snapping, you know, twig that happened, but like we

791
00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:24,239
heard something, and that was while we yelled and we're like,

792
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,880
gott too, you need to come out, and he said

793
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,119
when you heard of say that, he was like, yeah,

794
00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:28,960
I need to come out now.

795
00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 2: So good lord, Okay, I was not expecting the verse

796
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,519
spider crawl. Holy crap. Okay, well, let's let's hear about

797
00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:40,280
the You're a hell to the naw event. You're juvenile

798
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:41,760
oh the juvenile.

799
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,199
Speaker 3: Okay, so I again, I used to go out there

800
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,119
by myself all the time. I was out down in

801
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:49,880
our hotspot in the bottoms, and I was getting them

802
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,880
the wooden knock, trying to get an idea of like

803
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,679
where they were. I know that it's really stupid looking

804
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,400
back at it now, like they're just going to sit still,

805
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,800
and but uh, I got them wood knocking, and I

806
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,119
don't decided. I was going to go down this one

807
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,320
creek bottom and they cut over to the main creek

808
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,039
and then I was going to follow that up to

809
00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:12,679
the campsite. And I had done this in the winter

810
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:18,480
several times, but this was in like June, like June eighth,

811
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,159
and I did not take into account like that everything

812
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,000
was going to be in bloom and especially Mount Laurel

813
00:43:24,119 --> 00:43:27,119
was gonna be like crazy, and I ended up getting

814
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:29,840
stuck in a big patch of Mount Laurel. And as

815
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,039
I'm stuck in this patch of Mount Laurel, I heard

816
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,800
something approach me, like it sounded like legs going through

817
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,119
like high weeds and stuff. And I actually took out

818
00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:45,119
my phone and got audio. You can hear the steps

819
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:47,480
being taken and then it just stops and so I

820
00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:49,320
staid there for about a minute and then I kind

821
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,119
of freaked myself out a little bit, and I'm like, Okay,

822
00:43:51,159 --> 00:43:53,639
I'm gonna go, and I start going through this Mount Laurel.

823
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:56,000
In about two minutes after I'm going through this Mount Laurel,

824
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,360
I pushed this big chunk, this one branch of Mount

825
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,159
Laurel away from me and off to my eleven o'clock

826
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,800
there is this big root ball of a tree that

827
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:10,800
has fallen over. And in the bottom like bottom right

828
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:15,679
quarter of this root ball, there's a hole. And when

829
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,079
you see a hole, you know how you can just

830
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:19,679
tell it's a hole rot like that because the depth

831
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,639
of the of the darkness that you're seeing. So I

832
00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:25,639
see this hole and it's June, and I'm thinking I'm

833
00:44:25,679 --> 00:44:28,360
about to get chewed up by coyotes. Probably that's probably

834
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,280
a coyote den, and a coyote's about to come out,

835
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,400
because I have pups about this time of year, so

836
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,639
I'm expecting a coyote to come out and you know,

837
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:40,079
yip at me or whatever. And the hole moved. And

838
00:44:40,159 --> 00:44:44,320
when the hole moved, I don't know to this day

839
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,199
why I could not see that what it was. But

840
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:53,599
when it moved, It moved and did this, and rolled over,

841
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:59,239
and it put its chin onto its chest and it

842
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:04,000
sat there like tight muscled. And the only way I

843
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,480
can describe it as a parent is like if you've

844
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,800
ever had a child in trouble and you put them

845
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,480
on the couch and they kind of just sit there

846
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:14,360
like this, And that's what this thing was doing. And

847
00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:17,199
it was mister grow. It couldn't have been bigger than

848
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,639
five feet. It was about the size of my of

849
00:45:19,679 --> 00:45:23,679
my young daughter at the time, and it was it

850
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:29,039
wasn't thick. Excuse me, it wasn't thick. It was kind

851
00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:36,360
of wiry, and it looked like a hairy kid like.

852
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,639
It did not look like a hairy ape. It didn't

853
00:45:39,679 --> 00:45:43,639
look like a chimp. It looked like a freaking hairy kid.

854
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,800
And as soon as that washed over me that I'm

855
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,800
looking at a hairy kid and it looks like it's

856
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,039
scared of me, That's that's the impression I got, that

857
00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:57,199
this thing is scared of me. I broke down. And

858
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,800
I don't know to this day how I got out

859
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,519
of that Mount Laurel as quick as I did, because

860
00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:03,760
I was having trouble with it up until that point,

861
00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:07,719
but I apparently teleported out of that mountain Laurel, like

862
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,239
I went through it so fast, ended back up on

863
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,239
the trail, and because I was by myself, I told

864
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,360
myself the whole walk back to my car, I'm not

865
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:21,000
talking about this to anybody because nobody's with me. Nobody's

866
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,519
gonna believe me. I don't know how to even explain

867
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:27,280
what I just saw. And I drive the whole way

868
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,320
home thinking this, like, I'm not gonna talk about this.

869
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:36,119
I get home literally walking my door, and my wife goes, honey,

870
00:46:36,119 --> 00:46:39,320
what's wrong. And I'm like, what do you mean? And

871
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,119
she just looks at me and she's like, something's wrong.

872
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:44,039
I can see it all over you. And so I'm

873
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:47,480
like okay, and she takes me into our bedroom and

874
00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:49,280
sits me down and she's like, tell me what's wrong.

875
00:46:49,679 --> 00:46:53,639
She's like, you look bad. And I start telling her

876
00:46:53,639 --> 00:46:56,599
miss Lagroue, like what happened, and I just I'm a

877
00:46:56,679 --> 00:47:01,199
a tryer toime. I just lost it, Like I started

878
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:05,400
bawling like a baby. And I think it's because you know,

879
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,119
I've got I've got four kids, and this just reminded

880
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:13,039
me of like of a hairy child in the woods,

881
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,320
like I was having problems with it there for for weeks, Like,

882
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,880
am I should I call somebody? Should I? Who's gonna

883
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,280
believe me if I call them and tell them there's

884
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,000
a hairy kid in the woods, like it messed with

885
00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:28,840
me bad? And I wonder if what I heard walking

886
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,920
up to me earlier, like just it was just a

887
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,719
little while before I saw it, if that wasn't one

888
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,719
of the parents and they I don't know if you

889
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,239
know who my Humphreys is from the Hanobea Seeds of Anobia.

890
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,119
But I'm really good friends with Mike, And I called

891
00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:46,000
Mike up when this happened, and I'm like, you know

892
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,039
what in the world and I should I do? And

893
00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:52,760
He's like, brother, They my opinion is they let you

894
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,559
see that little one. They they let you come in.

895
00:47:56,159 --> 00:47:58,480
They they know you're out there, you know you're interacting

896
00:47:58,519 --> 00:48:01,360
with them and stuff, and and they're letting you know

897
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:06,079
that they're a family. And I'll be damned, excuse my language,

898
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:07,960
if that has not changed. It didn't, If that did

899
00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:11,000
not change every bit of how I research from that

900
00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:14,760
point forward, because I can no longer go into these areas,

901
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,599
these hotspots and stuff, and like I used to be

902
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:21,360
very much of the cryptid ape camp. You know that

903
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:22,639
I'm going in there and I'm missing with like a

904
00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:25,480
cryptid ape, and it's just it's just really smart and

905
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:28,880
we just hadn't caught one yet, and I don't believe that.

906
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,159
Now I believe we're dealing with some sort of human

907
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:38,199
relative of some kind. It changed everything about about how

908
00:48:38,199 --> 00:48:40,039
I research after I had that encounter.

909
00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:49,679
Speaker 2: So maybe the thought is it's it's motion and I

910
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,039
know exactly what you mean about a kid in trouble.

911
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:56,039
It's almost like it sat up like okay, mom, and

912
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,719
just like here I am, and just sat there like that,

913
00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:04,679
like it was told to do that.

914
00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:07,559
Speaker 3: That's what That's what Mike was suggesting that that they

915
00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:10,119
were It was allowing me to see it. Yeah, so

916
00:49:10,159 --> 00:49:11,840
that I would know that there was a family. I

917
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:13,639
was dealing with a family, and I've dealt with him

918
00:49:13,679 --> 00:49:15,599
like that ever since then. That then I'm dealing with

919
00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:16,039
a family.

920
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:23,119
Speaker 2: How many times had you been in that area, give

921
00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:26,000
or take five miles, I don't know, just an arbitrary number.

922
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,239
How many times had you been in that area do

923
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,599
you think at that point?

924
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 3: Oh god, hundreds?

925
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 2: Oh wow? So what Mike said is probably, of course

926
00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:38,800
bought on. I would imagine there they are intelligent no

927
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,800
matter what they are, so I would imagine they would

928
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,719
know you quite well. They would recognize you, And that's

929
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:49,079
what he thinks, you So, because I wonder if you

930
00:49:49,159 --> 00:49:52,679
were just some Miranda stuck in the Mounta Laurel, if

931
00:49:53,639 --> 00:49:56,440
it would have turned out very differently for that person.

932
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't think say that's the way

933
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,679
it was sitting there. Just everything in me, Like I

934
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,400
was telling when I was telling Mike about it, you know,

935
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:08,360
it's there's no way you can tell me that thing

936
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,199
couldn't have slinked around the edge of that root ball

937
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,039
and I never would have seen it, or it could

938
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:16,920
have slinked around after me singing it right that first

939
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,599
second I saw it, and I still wouldn't have known

940
00:50:18,599 --> 00:50:19,239
what I just saw.

941
00:50:20,599 --> 00:50:22,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're probably I mean, if you're stuck in

942
00:50:22,679 --> 00:50:27,360
some bushes like that, you're you're pretty preoccupied. You're probably

943
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,760
looking down most of the time. You were probably doing this,

944
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,480
doing that, doing this, doing that. So yeah, it could

945
00:50:32,519 --> 00:50:35,360
have it could have scooted really, really easily. So it

946
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:37,199
did seem intentional.

947
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:39,079
Speaker 3: That's the way it seems.

948
00:50:39,159 --> 00:50:43,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you of the mind what was that? What

949
00:50:43,679 --> 00:50:44,239
was that? Randy?

950
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 3: I said, I can't swear that, but.

951
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean that's a that's a great theory

952
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,960
because it could have even maybe even stayed still and

953
00:50:53,039 --> 00:50:56,039
maybe you wouldn't even noticed it. I don't know, maybe

954
00:50:56,039 --> 00:50:59,320
you would have. But are you of the mind that

955
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,719
occasionally that they do take people for whatever reason?

956
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I don't

957
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:18,119
see why. I don't logically, if they're flesh and blood creature,

958
00:51:18,519 --> 00:51:22,159
then then I don't see why they couldn't. It just

959
00:51:22,159 --> 00:51:25,119
seems like, you know, a dud to me. If it's

960
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:28,840
a flesh and blood creature. Yeah, I know there's a

961
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,639
lot of people in the community they don't think there

962
00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:35,280
are fleshing blood creatures. But I mean, the the child

963
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,639
I saw was flesh and blood. It looks like flesh

964
00:51:38,639 --> 00:51:41,320
and blood to me. It didn't look like a fairy

965
00:51:41,519 --> 00:51:42,000
or anything.

966
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if it it would be hard to guess this.

967
00:51:47,559 --> 00:51:49,920
But if it's if you could see it standing, do

968
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,360
you think how tall do you think that that little

969
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:52,679
one would?

970
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 3: I think that's tall because it reminded me the same

971
00:51:56,079 --> 00:51:58,559
that it had the same same kind of like lengthy

972
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,559
shape that like my daughter, my youngest daughter had at

973
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:04,440
the time. That's what it reminded me of. And I

974
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,480
think that's one reason that it really like hit me

975
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:11,199
as like it did, is not only you know, not

976
00:52:11,199 --> 00:52:13,480
only is there is it a child, but it's like

977
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:15,800
it looked like it was about the same size as

978
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,599
my daughter and about the same age. Maybe I don't know, you.

979
00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:23,039
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, no, I get that, Randy, because so it's

980
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:27,800
just being such an intentional sighting and it seemed like

981
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:32,159
there was so much behind it for you, for whatever

982
00:52:32,199 --> 00:52:38,760
reason from them, that's what got to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

983
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,440
I can understand that. Ooh, that is a heck of

984
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,559
his sighting though, So you don't you already kind of

985
00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:46,599
said that, but you're like, I'm good. I don't need

986
00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:49,559
to see anything after that when I go out.

987
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,559
Speaker 3: Now, Like I had people at the camp out ask me,

988
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:53,039
they're like, you know, you know, do you want to

989
00:52:53,039 --> 00:52:55,199
see another one? And I'm like, I'm good, I've seen

990
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,559
I know they're out there. I don't really need to

991
00:52:57,559 --> 00:53:01,760
see them to know they're out there anymore. Oh, I

992
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,519
think if I was to see one, I would like

993
00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:05,159
to see one. If I'm going to see one again.

994
00:53:05,679 --> 00:53:08,480
I want to have an up close I want to

995
00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:11,719
see its teeth and its gums when it growls at me,

996
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,000
sort of if it's gonna because I know it's gonna

997
00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:17,679
rattle me, then rattle me, like make it worthwhile. I

998
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,000
want to have one of those sidings.

999
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: If you're going to have, you want the coup of

1000
00:53:21,079 --> 00:53:28,719
grass siding? Huh, might as well? Big oh man, I

1001
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,639
mean you say that now, but then once it's actually happening,

1002
00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:32,719
you're like, I was just.

1003
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 3: Kidding, Well, yeah, I probably never want to go out

1004
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:36,599
in the woods again after that.

1005
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:43,079
Speaker 2: Do you think that seeing one like take that scenario

1006
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,480
right where you're you're that close to the face and

1007
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:49,519
say you see teeth and gums and the shape of

1008
00:53:49,559 --> 00:53:53,119
its nose. Do you think it would be more disturbing

1009
00:53:53,159 --> 00:53:58,159
to see one that's more neanderthal slash human looking or

1010
00:53:58,519 --> 00:54:01,000
a gorilla type, a class gorilla.

1011
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 3: Type human looking human neanderthal looking totally. Yeah, Yeah, that's

1012
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,719
what kind of I think. That's another thing that disturb

1013
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,719
me about whenever I had my sighting of that juvenile

1014
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,599
is like it put it definitely in the human camp

1015
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,840
or the humanes camp, and up to that point, it

1016
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,559
was like, again, we're just dealing with like really smart

1017
00:54:21,559 --> 00:54:24,280
apes or something like that, and somehow that makes it,

1018
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,280
that makes it feel less dangerous to me. Yeah, but

1019
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,440
once it becomes like some sort of like it's related

1020
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,400
to us, like man, humans are some foul animals, like

1021
00:54:33,679 --> 00:54:37,199
these things could be dangerous as hell, and we have

1022
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:37,800
no idea.

1023
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 2: I know this is such a cliche question, but I

1024
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,880
do wonder what you think, because you've been out so

1025
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:47,800
much and you've seen them, do you think that the

1026
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,599
government does in fact know and they just know that.

1027
00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:54,039
We can't. We can't deal with knowing that they're out

1028
00:54:54,039 --> 00:54:55,239
there and being confirmed.

1029
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,079
Speaker 3: Me and one of my researcher buddies that was at

1030
00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:02,119
the camp out, we're having this conversation at the campout actually,

1031
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:08,320
and how is it I can take people out into

1032
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:13,360
the woods and experience this stuff and the government can't

1033
00:55:13,519 --> 00:55:17,719
catch them, So like, I have to believe they have

1034
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,440
they've caught these things. They have to know about these things.

1035
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,000
They have to If I can take some friggin people,

1036
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,480
you know, like out in the woods and have them

1037
00:55:26,519 --> 00:55:30,039
see them themselves, then you can't tell me that the

1038
00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:32,119
government doesn't know that that you know what they are,

1039
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,559
they have to. I can't. I can't see it being

1040
00:55:35,639 --> 00:55:38,159
like not that I'm saying that it's easy to go

1041
00:55:38,159 --> 00:55:40,360
find these things at all. I'm just saying that once

1042
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,000
you find like the heartspots and all that, you can

1043
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:46,360
take people and like they can experience this stuff themselves,

1044
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,079
So they have to know.

1045
00:55:48,199 --> 00:55:50,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think did you think that they just think

1046
00:55:50,679 --> 00:55:52,760
we can deal with it or it's always like follow

1047
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:53,719
the money like usual.

1048
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 3: I think it could be. It could well if they

1049
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:58,960
are related to us somehow, like some sort of human

1050
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,199
cousin species like entertals or Dennis Ovn's, you know, they

1051
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:07,639
related to them somehow. How do you handle like the

1052
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,400
really really hardcore religious people that are not going to

1053
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,559
be able to handle that like that. We have an

1054
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:16,679
evolutionary cousin that's living on their back forty and has

1055
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,000
been living back there since before they got their property,

1056
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,280
and you know what I mean. Yeah, like that's a

1057
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:27,119
lot of problems to deal with. Yeah, social social contract,

1058
00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:28,679
right do.

1059
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 2: You protect them? Do you give them their own land?

1060
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:35,880
And we know how that works out and how fair

1061
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:36,400
that can be?

1062
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 3: Right exactly? Yeah, right, we can't. We can't. We can't

1063
00:56:41,039 --> 00:56:45,400
treat members of our own species, our own species, Okay,

1064
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:47,880
like just because they have different colored skin, how are

1065
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:53,239
we going to treat them? Yeah, when you know, Oh yeah,

1066
00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:55,639
that's one reason I don't. I don't really care if

1067
00:56:55,639 --> 00:56:59,159
they they never you know, it's never disclosed. I think

1068
00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:02,960
that's probably the best for them. I have everybody there.

1069
00:57:03,199 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 2: I agree, I absolutely agree. I think it would be

1070
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,559
a pardon my French, but it would be a shit

1071
00:57:08,639 --> 00:57:12,039
show if that actually came out. And then there's all

1072
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:16,400
these other things going on, not to mention everybody already,

1073
00:57:16,639 --> 00:57:20,320
you know, toning around, the the A k's and the ars.

1074
00:57:20,639 --> 00:57:24,039
Uh yeah, and oh that goes into another question I

1075
00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:26,159
meant to ask. Do you guys go out armed at all?

1076
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,280
Even not just for Bigfoot but the other things?

1077
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 3: We don't? I don't. I know a lot of people

1078
00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:34,360
you don't think that's crazy, especially when living in Tennessee.

1079
00:57:35,039 --> 00:57:38,079
But uh, I we get more activity when we're not armed,

1080
00:57:38,519 --> 00:57:40,159
really we do.

1081
00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 5: We have.

1082
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,559
Speaker 3: We have one guy that goes with it a lot.

1083
00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:47,559
He refuses to go unarmed, and literally he will just

1084
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:49,920
complain the entire trip when we when he goes with us,

1085
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,840
because he's like, why doesn't anything happen when I come

1086
00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:55,920
and it's like it's because you've got that friggin side

1087
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,679
cannon on your on your lap there.

1088
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 2: So he's got it in a holster like some like

1089
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:06,119
a thirty eight or something. Yep, yeah, yeah, now they

1090
00:58:06,119 --> 00:58:07,920
know what the boomsticks are, that's for sure.

1091
00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:12,239
Speaker 3: They do. They do.

1092
00:58:12,239 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 2: Do I know that everyone's gonna yell at me if

1093
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,320
I don't ask this question? Do you guys put up

1094
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,920
trail cams? Do you think that there's any reason to

1095
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:20,679
put up a trail cam? Do you know? Do you

1096
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:23,880
do you anything to try to capture them? Is there

1097
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:25,039
any reason to do that?

1098
00:58:26,039 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 3: The only thing that we ever use is we use

1099
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,800
digital recorders a lot. We've caught some really interesting things

1100
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,679
in digital recorders, but and usually just by leaving them

1101
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:39,400
around like tree structures and stuff like that. Uh are

1102
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,199
We also have a place where we leave fruit a

1103
00:58:42,199 --> 00:58:45,000
lot and get them fruit in this one area and

1104
00:58:45,039 --> 00:58:46,760
we leave we leave the recorder there a lot, and

1105
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,880
we've captured some interesting things there. But we don't try

1106
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,880
to like used like cameras or anything like that. Like

1107
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,519
every it seems like everybody has tried and they don't

1108
00:58:54,519 --> 00:58:56,039
have any look at it, So I don't see.

1109
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 2: The point as I agree. I agree, and people get

1110
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,360
really angry about that, and like, if you're having so

1111
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,880
much activity, why don't you put up cameras? And I've

1112
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,079
said the same, yeah, and I said so many times.

1113
00:59:08,119 --> 00:59:11,199
If you put something in my living room, even if

1114
00:59:11,239 --> 00:59:14,360
it's something small, I'm gonna notice right away that there

1115
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,119
is something in my damn living room. And and if you,

1116
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,400
if you want to, and especially for them, I'm not

1117
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,480
going to go up and poke right at it. They

1118
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:24,360
might take the whole damn thing off the tree, but

1119
00:59:24,599 --> 00:59:27,239
they're gonna just avoid that. Then they're gonna go, well,

1120
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,119
guess what, I have a huge living room. I don't

1121
00:59:30,119 --> 00:59:31,159
need to be in this spot.

1122
00:59:32,239 --> 00:59:33,039
Speaker 3: Yep, exactly.

1123
00:59:33,199 --> 00:59:38,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, people get people get feisty about that, but they're

1124
00:59:38,119 --> 00:59:40,840
just they're not taking it the step further and realizing

1125
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,119
what actually happens, you know. And that's what's funny about

1126
00:59:44,119 --> 00:59:46,159
people that have activity at their property. It's like, well,

1127
00:59:46,239 --> 00:59:49,679
just throw up some more lights and throw up some

1128
00:59:49,719 --> 00:59:52,719
cameras and that might take care of the issue if

1129
00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:53,880
you don't like them coming in.

1130
00:59:54,719 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it usually does.

1131
00:59:57,599 --> 01:00:01,519
Speaker 2: Have you guys ever had any And I'm not saying

1132
01:00:01,519 --> 01:00:04,119
that this is tied into the big Foot at all,

1133
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,079
or if you think it is fine, we can go

1134
01:00:06,119 --> 01:00:09,039
down that road too. But have you had strange activity

1135
01:00:09,079 --> 01:00:11,800
out there? You've already mentioned the weird face like Jesse

1136
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:16,719
and Joe got that. You light the range lights, the

1137
01:00:16,719 --> 01:00:19,039
the orbs and the woods, all that good stuff.

1138
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,039
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, we've had We've had orbs. We had orbs

1139
01:00:22,039 --> 01:00:24,920
at the camp out. Uh. There was four eye witnesses

1140
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,559
to an orbit uh back in the bottoms of the campout,

1141
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:33,199
so it moved towards everybody freaked them out. They pop

1142
01:00:33,239 --> 01:00:36,159
flash popped their flashlights on it, and the orb disappeared.

1143
01:00:37,079 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 2: Sounds familiar. I've had one, one single experience like that

1144
01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:43,559
where you're just going, who is this guy in the

1145
01:00:43,679 --> 01:00:46,320
rain and the cold at two am with the with

1146
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,400
the headlamp on. Wasn't a guy in a headlamp because

1147
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,719
we had a thermal so and and once you notice

1148
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,920
and once you notice it, it notices that you notice it,

1149
01:00:56,039 --> 01:01:00,960
and then they go, yep, yep, yep, like, what the heck,

1150
01:01:01,039 --> 01:01:02,519
what the heck is that? Right?

1151
01:01:04,119 --> 01:01:06,599
Speaker 3: I have no idea. I don't know what orbs are,

1152
01:01:06,639 --> 01:01:10,320
but apparently it's it. You know, it's something going on.

1153
01:01:10,599 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 2: You see any lights in the sky anything like that craft.

1154
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 3: I have seen a UFO, not anywhere near our hotspots,

1155
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:22,239
but I have had a UFO siding back in twenty eleven. Yeah,

1156
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:27,039
just one big, big black triangle. Oh yeah, but you

1157
01:01:27,079 --> 01:01:29,559
tell me and my wife, my son and my daughter

1158
01:01:29,519 --> 01:01:30,599
also at the same time.

1159
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 2: So were you guys out outdoors or in your car?

1160
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,719
Speaker 3: We're in our car. Yep. We're driving back from Manchester, Tennessee,

1161
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,800
and we're just about to enter a place called severeble.

1162
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:47,199
I'm sorry, uh severe something like that, severebrale, stuffing like that,

1163
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,639
and uh, we noticed this lot it was about to

1164
01:01:51,639 --> 01:01:53,960
get dark, and my my ex wife, right as I'm

1165
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:55,599
starting to say something about it, she's like, do you

1166
01:01:55,639 --> 01:01:58,440
notice that lot. I'm like, yeah, I notice it. And

1167
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,760
it's moving really slow, and as just as we get

1168
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,599
up to it, that the road. It's going over the

1169
01:02:03,679 --> 01:02:06,800
road and it's just this big giant black triangle with

1170
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:10,800
with like a lot under each point, and it's just

1171
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,599
going about, you know, kind of like this speed right here,

1172
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,280
like way too slow to be an airplane. Didn't make

1173
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:22,159
any sound. My son was hanging out out the window going,

1174
01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:23,519
oh my god, is that what I'm thinking?

1175
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 2: I can see that. That would probably be me too.

1176
01:02:31,679 --> 01:02:34,639
You know what's funny about those triangles sometimes, especially those,

1177
01:02:35,239 --> 01:02:37,360
they really don't give a crap how slow they're going,

1178
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:38,840
and who sees them it seems right?

1179
01:02:39,239 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 3: No, yeah, right, Like I that's the thing, Like, I

1180
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,840
don't know if I believe they're alien crafts or whatever,

1181
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,519
if there's some kind of like black project that we have,

1182
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:49,840
I don't know what they are. But yeah, that thing

1183
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,119
did not give a damn that anybody was saying it.

1184
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:53,519
He was going right over the road.

1185
01:02:53,559 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 2: And especially when they're quiet like that, You're like, how

1186
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:02,679
can something that freaking big move without any sound? That's

1187
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,559
just not something that we know of that we know

1188
01:03:05,639 --> 01:03:08,360
of a lot of other people in the government do,

1189
01:03:08,599 --> 01:03:11,519
of course, But that's a that's a cool sighting. How

1190
01:03:11,519 --> 01:03:12,440
big do you think that was?

1191
01:03:13,679 --> 01:03:19,559
Speaker 3: Oh? Man, uh, a couple hundred feet probably, Yeah, it

1192
01:03:19,719 --> 01:03:20,079
was big.

1193
01:03:21,559 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. I would love to see something like that. Okay,

1194
01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:35,639
large mail observed in clear daylight, large mail in Yeah,

1195
01:03:35,719 --> 01:03:38,719
you mentioned that you saw a large mail observed in

1196
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:39,519
clear daylight.

1197
01:03:40,719 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 3: It wasn't in daylight. It was in nata.

1198
01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 2: Oh. Oh, I probably wrote that down wrong. Sorry, that's

1199
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,400
why why you're like, no, I did not see one

1200
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,079
in daylight. Uh.

1201
01:03:49,159 --> 01:03:52,039
Speaker 3: The first siding I ever had happened at the campsite

1202
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:55,039
that we had the camp out at, and we were

1203
01:03:55,079 --> 01:03:57,280
actually going there's it's it's split in the campsite. It

1204
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,360
split in an A section, B section in C section

1205
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,639
and there's I think eight cabins each section, and you

1206
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,599
have to go through C section to get down to

1207
01:04:05,719 --> 01:04:07,679
that little river that's the same river where they had

1208
01:04:07,719 --> 01:04:10,079
they were on the out on the bridge and saw

1209
01:04:10,119 --> 01:04:15,000
the eleven footer. We were walking down to that river,

1210
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,239
it's about one o'clock in the morning, and we get

1211
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,679
to the very last cabin on my left side, C five,

1212
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,719
which is hilarious because if you know Jeremiah from Bigfoot Society,

1213
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,719
he was actually staying in that cabin during the camp out.

1214
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,039
We got to that cabin and we hear snap, pop,

1215
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:38,239
and we turn and off to the side coming from behind.

1216
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,559
We didn't see it come from behind the cabin, but

1217
01:04:40,599 --> 01:04:42,960
it was in the process of moving and you could

1218
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,280
tell that's where it came from. But it came from

1219
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,639
the last cabin on the right, and it's walking sideways

1220
01:04:48,679 --> 01:04:53,480
there and we stopped and I don't know if we

1221
01:04:53,719 --> 01:04:57,400
gasped or something like that, but like it stops and

1222
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:00,000
it turns the whole top, like the whole top that's

1223
01:05:00,119 --> 01:05:03,639
body to look at us. And as it looks at us,

1224
01:05:03,679 --> 01:05:09,199
like there is this overwhelming confidence that exudes off this thing,

1225
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:13,480
like you're not even a threat to me. And we

1226
01:05:13,599 --> 01:05:15,760
started screaming like girls, me and the other dude I

1227
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,440
was with him, like we're huge, we're big guys, and

1228
01:05:18,519 --> 01:05:21,440
this big terms and walks walks into the woods like

1229
01:05:21,559 --> 01:05:22,559
like we're not even a care.

1230
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:30,599
Speaker 2: It does seem like, and you might have a certain

1231
01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:34,000
feeling about this word, but it almost seems like you've

1232
01:05:34,159 --> 01:05:37,159
habituated them kind of sort of in a way. In

1233
01:05:37,199 --> 01:05:39,519
other words, it just means they've gotten used to you,

1234
01:05:39,519 --> 01:05:39,760
you know.

1235
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,239
Speaker 3: But I think it's a campsite. That's exactly what I

1236
01:05:43,239 --> 01:05:45,039
think is going on in that whole area. Is I

1237
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:46,880
think they're living next to that campsite and they've just

1238
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:50,360
habituated to humans. Yeah, And because I've been up there

1239
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,840
so much, I'm just the human that they know about

1240
01:05:53,039 --> 01:05:54,440
more than the other humans, you know what I mean?

1241
01:05:56,119 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 2: So are these are these cabins? Is it part of

1242
01:06:00,159 --> 01:06:06,239
a state park? Or Okay, it is so at any time.

1243
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,880
There could just be random people just doing whatever they're doing.

1244
01:06:10,679 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 3: Not nine months out of the year there's church groups

1245
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:16,039
and like boy Scouts and stuff like that. Using the Aiah.

1246
01:06:16,679 --> 01:06:20,119
Speaker 2: Too bad. You couldn't like leave a separate little like

1247
01:06:20,119 --> 01:06:22,679
a photo booth with a camera and a log and

1248
01:06:23,039 --> 01:06:25,360
come in and share your big Foot stories because I

1249
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:28,000
know you people got them right. Well.

1250
01:06:28,079 --> 01:06:30,559
Speaker 3: What's wild is in some of the cabins we actually

1251
01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:33,280
found where people have written from like the seventies and

1252
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,920
the eighties and the nineties. They've written stuff like, if

1253
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,880
it comes this is the weird one. If it comes

1254
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:43,960
to the window, give it chocolate. What oh, what are

1255
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:48,239
they talking about? Like another another one talks about that

1256
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:51,760
there's there's uh, there's uh. It's haunted by Native Americans

1257
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,039
because I can hear them walk up to my window.

1258
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,440
Like weird. Just stuff that's jotted on inside of some

1259
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,360
of these cabins that makes you think, like that they

1260
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,280
are experiencing things and they just don't know what it

1261
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:04,199
is they're experiencing.

1262
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1263
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 2: Wow, it sounds like they've been there a long time.

1264
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 3: I think they have. Yeah.

1265
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:10,559
Speaker 6: Wow.

1266
01:07:10,639 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 3: The rangers. We talked to one of the rangers gotting

1267
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,239
good with one of the rangers, and he's told us

1268
01:07:15,239 --> 01:07:18,719
some stories, and he's talked about that that that campsite specifically,

1269
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:23,519
they have when it's been closed for the winter, that

1270
01:07:23,519 --> 01:07:25,960
they have went down there and taken dead deer that

1271
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,159
have been hit by trucks in the park and they'll

1272
01:07:29,159 --> 01:07:31,400
take them down there for like coyotes to get rid of.

1273
01:07:32,039 --> 01:07:34,079
And they said that they did that one year in March,

1274
01:07:34,159 --> 01:07:37,199
early March before the campsite opened, and they took a

1275
01:07:37,239 --> 01:07:40,119
deer down there one day and they come back and

1276
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:42,920
the manager says, Oh, I forgot, We're going to open

1277
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,719
that side up early this year. You need to go

1278
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,199
retrieve that deer. And so they go back literally the

1279
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:52,800
same day that afternoon to get the deer carcass, and

1280
01:07:53,239 --> 01:07:56,880
the rangers said that there was the impression of the

1281
01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:00,280
deer being there, but the deer was gone. Something that

1282
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:01,920
had picked the beer up and just took off with it.

1283
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:09,159
Speaker 2: So nine months out of the year it's kind of

1284
01:08:09,159 --> 01:08:12,840
being rented out to random people, not there for bigfoot purposes.

1285
01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:17,880
Do you still go sometimes with you or a couple

1286
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,880
other folks and still go up at that same time

1287
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:22,479
when other people are in there.

1288
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah all the time. Yeah, we've had

1289
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:27,279
We've had rocks thrown at us while people were up

1290
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:29,640
there partying and stuff. Had no idea it was going on,

1291
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:33,479
like a half mile down the trail, stuff like that. Yeah.

1292
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 2: Have you ever had an experience where maybe there's some

1293
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,880
partiers or maybe it is girl Scouts or boy Scouts

1294
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,760
or something, and then they were having some schiss to

1295
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,880
go down and then you kind of you guys ended

1296
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:50,560
up realizing what was going on and then got a

1297
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:52,880
report that way and you were present for it.

1298
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:57,199
Speaker 3: No. Now, all the reports we've gotten going back a

1299
01:08:57,199 --> 01:08:59,439
couple of decades have been from rangers hooking us up

1300
01:08:59,439 --> 01:08:59,760
with people.

1301
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:03,159
Speaker 2: Wow, that's cool. Yeah, that's cool that you have rangers

1302
01:09:03,159 --> 01:09:05,199
that will even talk to you. Have they have the

1303
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:06,840
rangers had any experiences?

1304
01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:09,520
Speaker 3: Well, what of the rangers had an experience when he

1305
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:11,960
was sixteen, when he was young, and he saw one,

1306
01:09:12,359 --> 01:09:16,399
so he's very open to it. But the rangers had

1307
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:20,199
they they kind of they suspect there's something strange going

1308
01:09:20,239 --> 01:09:22,560
on this one trail because they used to have this trail.

1309
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:23,920
I'm not going to get the name of it, but

1310
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:26,560
it used to have a different name and it was

1311
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:31,920
named after a falls, and they've they abandoned that trail

1312
01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:36,840
because so many trees were being felling or fallen on

1313
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:38,560
that trail that they would go out there and they

1314
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:42,079
would they would, you know, uh, chainsaw the trail the

1315
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,319
tree up, and that the rangers told us that the

1316
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:47,600
very next day there would be a biker going down

1317
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,439
the trail and said there'd be another tree down and

1318
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:53,079
that tree would be ten foot down the trail, and

1319
01:09:53,119 --> 01:09:56,159
that one's broke off now and over the trail, and

1320
01:09:56,199 --> 01:09:58,720
so they they they ended up abandoning the trail and

1321
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:03,560
it's now just called Close Trail. And they they've said,

1322
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:05,520
they've told me that they think there's something weird going

1323
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,319
on that trail because you know, the trees just keep

1324
01:10:08,359 --> 01:10:09,680
falling at the same spots.

1325
01:10:12,079 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 2: Well, that's weird, isn't it. Because if if they're trying

1326
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:18,640
to keep folks out that much, it makes you wonder,

1327
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:22,119
like is that a birthing area? Is that literally you know

1328
01:10:22,159 --> 01:10:26,119
where their sofa in their living room is, so to speak, right,

1329
01:10:26,279 --> 01:10:30,560
Like that's that's the no zone for people. Yeah, like

1330
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:33,159
y'all have this area, but no over here.

1331
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:36,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was actually on that trail Close trail that

1332
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:38,760
two of the guys at the camp out got a

1333
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:40,359
fifteen and a half inch print cap.

1334
01:10:41,119 --> 01:10:51,600
Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, so let's also talk about the Tennessee Wildman

1335
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:56,640
and Encryptid Con and that goes down in mcmnville. Right now,

1336
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,920
you have another one coming up in August mid August,

1337
01:11:00,079 --> 01:11:04,600
actually this year, don't you August the eighth, Yes, August eighth.

1338
01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:11,159
Is that the I was just gonna say, is that

1339
01:11:11,199 --> 01:11:13,960
the Okay, so fourth year, I wanna make sure to

1340
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:19,000
link all that as also the books and the Cryptid

1341
01:11:19,039 --> 01:11:22,920
camp Now that this Cryptid camp out sounds like, you know,

1342
01:11:23,239 --> 01:11:26,760
if people want something that might actually happen, it sounds

1343
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:28,000
like this is the one to go to.

1344
01:11:30,039 --> 01:11:33,039
Speaker 3: I can't promise you, right, we had we had really

1345
01:11:33,079 --> 01:11:34,319
good activities last time.

1346
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you guys?

1347
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 7: So?

1348
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,199
Speaker 2: Okay, so when you guys go out, and it doesn't

1349
01:11:40,199 --> 01:11:41,560
have to be for the camp out, but it could

1350
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,199
be either way. But what's it sounds like? Because you've

1351
01:11:44,199 --> 01:11:48,920
already kind of hinted that, you know, wood Knox may

1352
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:50,960
not be the best thing to be doing, probably because

1353
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,359
we don't know what we're saying to them, uh and

1354
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:58,560
vice versa. What is your what's your mo. When you

1355
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,760
guys go out to try to listen of activity, do

1356
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,479
you try to elicit activity or you just go out

1357
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,760
and you cook and you talk and you laugh and

1358
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:07,720
if they come in, then they come in.

1359
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,039
Speaker 3: Mostly, I mean, we used to wood knock a lot

1360
01:12:11,119 --> 01:12:13,199
and got We used to get a lot of woodknock responses.

1361
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,399
We it's kind of happened half now, whether we do

1362
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,960
or not. Like you said, you don't know what you're

1363
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,520
doing when you're when you're wood knocking, what they're what

1364
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:26,319
you're saying, or what you're portraying. Uh. But mostly we

1365
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:28,319
just go out there and wait, go out there in

1366
01:12:28,319 --> 01:12:32,039
the woods and just see what happens. I think that

1367
01:12:32,039 --> 01:12:35,000
that's what happens is if you're out there enough, they

1368
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:36,840
get to they like you said, they get to know you,

1369
01:12:37,039 --> 01:12:38,920
and they come in closer to you and see what's

1370
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:41,319
going on. We had We were out there for about

1371
01:12:41,319 --> 01:12:43,039
two and a half hours when night on one day

1372
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:47,039
and nothing was happening, which is what most days are.

1373
01:12:47,319 --> 01:12:51,399
Most days, by and large, nothing happens. But we were

1374
01:12:51,399 --> 01:12:52,640
out there for about two and a half hours this

1375
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:56,800
one day and out of nowhere, out of this bush,

1376
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,960
it's about fifty yards away we hear what sounds like

1377
01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:06,600
baby babbling, and this is and right as we it

1378
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:09,000
kind of hits us like a baby bab is babbling.

1379
01:13:10,159 --> 01:13:14,560
We hear what sounds like this husky feminine voice, say

1380
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:19,239
si saw. And I had no idea what sai sau means,

1381
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,960
but it's it genuinely seemed like it was like a

1382
01:13:23,039 --> 01:13:28,239
mother's response to a baby babbling. And that's when I

1383
01:13:28,239 --> 01:13:30,199
think we made it might hurt just because we were

1384
01:13:30,199 --> 01:13:32,119
out there. Maybe one of them brother the little one

1385
01:13:32,119 --> 01:13:34,680
in to see us, to look at us, and it

1386
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:37,359
got bored and it started babbling. And she was like

1387
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:40,199
shut up or I don't know what what say you

1388
01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:40,840
saw means?

1389
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:45,159
Speaker 2: But whoa Okay that that would be cool to hear.

1390
01:13:46,319 --> 01:13:48,439
Is have you ever tried to look up I'm sure

1391
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:51,840
you have, of course, but any other you know, like

1392
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:53,560
h languages.

1393
01:13:54,399 --> 01:13:55,319
Speaker 3: I couldn't find anything.

1394
01:13:55,399 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, if anyone's listening, that happens to be some

1395
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:02,960
kind of uh savant with ancient languages. And you know

1396
01:14:03,039 --> 01:14:07,319
what that means. Let us know that is incredible. That also,

1397
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:10,319
you know, you hear baby cries or a baby in

1398
01:14:10,359 --> 01:14:13,239
the woods, it ain't no baby, don't go, don't go.

1399
01:14:13,359 --> 01:14:18,079
Out there. Have you guys ever tried to call blast anything.

1400
01:14:19,279 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 3: We did at the camp out. We did quite a

1401
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:22,520
bit of call blasting and we actually got a couple

1402
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:26,399
of responses from it. That's the only time I've ever

1403
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:27,520
been involve call blasting.

1404
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:30,279
Speaker 2: Have you ever tried to blast a baby cry?

1405
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 3: I have not.

1406
01:14:34,319 --> 01:14:40,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably ill advised. Have have a another story.

1407
01:14:40,159 --> 01:14:43,720
I won't. Everyone's heard it so many times, but yeah, uh,

1408
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:46,520
it can piss them off. Basically, if you played a

1409
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:50,319
baby cry, yeah, they seem to not not like it

1410
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:53,600
so much. And I think it elicits the same response

1411
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:57,279
that you had with seeing the juvenile and you know,

1412
01:14:57,399 --> 01:15:02,159
realizing that there's a lot more there there. That's what

1413
01:15:02,399 --> 01:15:04,640
this gentleman had happened. He played a baby cry and

1414
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:09,479
he realized it elicited a response in more than likely

1415
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:13,680
a female, and he realized that these are more than

1416
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:18,319
we think they are. So yeah, yeah, interesting. Yeah.

1417
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 5: Uh.

1418
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:23,640
Speaker 2: Do you ever tent camp out in these locations?

1419
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:29,039
Speaker 3: Yes? Oh yeah, especially the quarry where I had where

1420
01:15:29,039 --> 01:15:30,840
I had the bowlder thrown at me. I've camped up there.

1421
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:31,720
I don't know how many zums.

1422
01:15:33,319 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 2: If you ever had anything come in and close anything

1423
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,319
like that, not to my knowledge.

1424
01:15:40,399 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 3: At the quarry especially, they they seemed to they seem

1425
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:45,319
to use the cliffs on the at the quarry like

1426
01:15:45,399 --> 01:15:48,399
almost as a barrier. Like they'll go there and they'll

1427
01:15:48,399 --> 01:15:50,800
they'll vocalize and stuff like that and throw, like I said,

1428
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:53,880
throw rocks and at you. But they genuinely seem to

1429
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:56,279
stay up there on the up there, away from you.

1430
01:15:58,039 --> 01:16:00,479
But like you know, then again with the other spots

1431
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:02,359
into the campsot and all that, you know, they come,

1432
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:04,720
we know, they come to the cabins. They look in

1433
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:08,239
the cabins. We've we've talked to people that've seen them

1434
01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:09,319
looking in the cabins.

1435
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:16,159
Speaker 2: So and they seem they seem very I mean, pretty friendly.

1436
01:16:16,359 --> 01:16:20,960
I would say, uh, you know, Gotto, I think even

1437
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:25,359
though it was moving away from him, I understand his

1438
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:29,159
reticence to be going out solo anymore. It wasn't it

1439
01:16:29,159 --> 01:16:31,560
wasn't the greatest sighting, but then again, at least it

1440
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:34,439
was going away from him and not spider crawling towards him.

1441
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:39,439
So at least there's that. Well, Randy, if you could

1442
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,680
let everybody know whatever socials that you want to plug,

1443
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:45,840
plus the books please, and then of course the camp

1444
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:49,600
Out and the Tennessee wild Man in Crypticon.

1445
01:16:50,239 --> 01:16:54,560
Speaker 3: Okay, sure, Tennessee wild Man Cryptic on. You can find

1446
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:58,279
us on Facebook. We had an event rock that goes

1447
01:16:58,319 --> 01:17:02,000
live Friday for that. Actually, we got a really really

1448
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:08,520
good lineup this year of OG researchers and new blood researchers,

1449
01:17:09,319 --> 01:17:12,840
so we're looking forward to that. The Crypto camp Out

1450
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:14,199
you can also find on Facebook.

1451
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:16,359
Speaker 7: What else?

1452
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:22,159
Speaker 3: Oh, my books, they're available on Amazon, Bear Mountain, Bigfoot,

1453
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:24,600
The Case for Sasquatch on. So they're coming on Plateau.

1454
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:26,119
I actually had to look at my book to remember

1455
01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:31,319
the title and Tennessee Pigny Legendary Reality.

1456
01:17:32,279 --> 01:17:34,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, once you get into the subtitles, right,

1457
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:35,960
you're like, what was the subtitle?

1458
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:36,239
Speaker 5: Again?

1459
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:39,520
Speaker 2: I'm the same way. I'm the same way about stuff

1460
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,640
like that. Yeah, but I'm so bad because I'll say

1461
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:45,439
something like sasquaddle or something and everyone's like, what the

1462
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:49,439
hell is the sasquaddle on? You know what a sasquatdal is? Well, Rendy,

1463
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:52,760
thank you so much for coming on, and I would

1464
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,159
love to have you back on for update shows because

1465
01:17:55,239 --> 01:17:58,439
obviously you've got some incredible areas there in Tennessee.

1466
01:17:59,199 --> 01:18:01,359
Speaker 3: Thank you real appreciate you having me on, mister Grew.

1467
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 4: Well, I'm sorry, so I was given the slave by

1468
01:18:07,039 --> 01:18:07,640
my parents.

1469
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:08,159
Speaker 3: My business.

1470
01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:10,359
Speaker 4: I've been out of college, I've done these things as

1471
01:18:10,399 --> 01:18:13,720
my professional I'd producing a little bark, but it's says,

1472
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:15,199
forget it, that's not.

1473
01:18:17,319 --> 01:18:20,359
Speaker 3: That's some story, that's all gone, that's all pass.

1474
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:24,520
Speaker 7: I honestly them really you who are now when nobody

1475
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:29,560
knows who their names is because we don't know our

1476
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,760
selves except to listening to arcas.

1477
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:37,640
Speaker 4: And consulting our memmbers. But then that's a really And

1478
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:40,399
then again it's us best this question.

1479
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 3: What are you?

1480
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 2: That is to mean.

1481
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:49,399
Speaker 4: We shall see how they play with this, except but

1482
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:52,920
by the cons to get you to come out of

1483
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,359
your show and find out.

1484
01:18:55,479 --> 01:19:14,560
Speaker 5: You really ost it.

1485
01:19:17,960 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 6: It's it's, it's, it's, it's it's pos.

1486
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:49,399
Speaker 3: For example, are quite divided us.

1487
01:20:50,079 --> 01:20:53,319
Speaker 4: They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation

1488
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:59,439
that after your funeral you will suddenly become somebody different

1489
01:21:00,399 --> 01:21:06,359
living somewhere else. They will say, reincarnation means this that

1490
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:09,600
if you sitting here now, are really convinced.

1491
01:21:09,199 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 3: That you're the same person the folding at.

1492
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 6: The door half an hour ago you'll be reencomned if.

1493
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:17,079
Speaker 3: You are liberating the alms.

1494
01:21:17,119 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 5: Now that you're gone.

1495
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 4: The past hasn't been tested, The future doesn't insisted.

1496
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 5: There is only the present.

1497
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 4: That's the only amenia of the is zen Master will

1498
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:35,600
get a space in the spring does not become sumthing.

1499
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,279
Speaker 7: First there is suthings and then there is spring.

1500
01:22:09,359 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 6: It's it's it's, it's, it's it's puss.

1501
01:22:53,920 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 5: Pus t s isn't.

1502
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:37,720
Speaker 4: That's the same idea where he says, when you've settled

1503
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:40,800
down in the train to read your newspaper, and so

1504
01:23:41,319 --> 01:23:45,239
you're not the same person while I live the plan.

1505
01:23:47,159 --> 01:23:50,039
If you think you are, you are linking your movements

1506
01:23:50,159 --> 01:23:54,840
up in the check. And this is what binds we

1507
01:23:55,039 --> 01:24:00,399
were when you know that every moment, would you are

1508
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:04,039
is the only movement? This comes intosa and the last

1509
01:24:04,159 --> 01:24:06,279
will say from somebody, I can I have a walk

1510
01:24:06,279 --> 01:24:09,159
across the room, and it came back, and he says,

1511
01:24:09,159 --> 01:24:09,880
where are your footmen?

1512
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:13,039
Speaker 3: They've gone?

1513
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:15,199
Speaker 4: So where are you?

1514
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:16,199
Speaker 2: Who are you?

1515
01:24:17,319 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 3: When we are asked who we are, we usually.

1516
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 4: Give a kind of recitation of an instrum string.

1517
01:24:22,159 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 5: Instr