Speaker 1: The infinite complaces people went to and pro fears about
their little affairs, serene in the assurance of their dominion
over this small binning fragment of solar driftwood, which, by
chance or design, man has inherited out of the dark
mystery of time and face.
Speaker 2: On this episode of Into the Pray, I welcome Randy
Hutchings on with me. And he is out in the
beautiful state of Tennessee. And he has been researching the
subject of Sasquatdle Bigfoot since nineteen ninety eight and has
personally taken over one hundred and thirty first hand witness accounts.
He has written two different books. He also has his
own cryptid con essentially and even a cryptid camp out,
which I love. I mean, if you're in an area like Tennessee,
why not do something like that, right, Randy, But welcome on.
Speaker 3: The show exactly, thank you. That was our thoughts exactly
on the campout. I like to call Tennessee the New
Zealand of the South, So.
Speaker 2: I like that. I like that well, and funny enough,
you speak of New Zealand and that's where they filmed
a lot of the Lord of the Rings, and you
even have a book on the little people. I do, Yes,
I love that subject. Yeah, I wanted to name the
books so that people can look those up as we
begin to chat here. But the Bigfoot book is Bear
Mountain Bigfoot, the case for Sasquatch on the Southern Cumberland Plateau,
and then the book on the little people is Tennessee
Pigmy legend or reality. I am fascinated by the little people.
I'm sure we'll touch on them just a little bit
pun intended, but I do. I would definitely like to
see one of those. I've heard a couple of encounters
where someone might be solo camping and one of these
little people come in and get a little bit close,
and it's actually honestly creepy. So yes, I would like
to see one. But then again it's still very very creepy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I've always told my team members like, that's
the one thing I don't want to see out in
the woods. I don't want to see a little person.
Speaker 2: So I think under any circumstances, You're like, no.
Speaker 3: I'm good. There's too many. I've taken too many. I've
taken like seven sightings. You know of those like where
people have said they've seen them, and that's just like
me our county, in a neighboring county, and there's just
something about it that, like, I mean, it's like having
a big foot sighting. It rattles your world. But like
the way they describe it, it's it's it is creepy.
It's it's like so out of the norm, and so
how is this thing surviving out in the wild? To
me at least, that uh yeah, it freaks me out.
Speaker 2: How many had clothes and how many were sands clothes?
Speaker 3: One one had clothes on and they said that it
looked like like a sack, just look like it looked
like a sack that it had basically taken in cut
holes in. But the rest of them were naked.
Speaker 2: They said, yeah, any any of them carrying anything? No, okay, no, yeah, yeah,
there's a there's a story that I just recently brought
this up. So people are gonna roll their eyes because
they're like, God, Sheena, how many times are you gonna
bring this up? But since you actually wrote a book
on this, you would appreciate this, So I have to
bring it up with you, Okay. So John Olson's come
on and he collects creepy stories in Utah, and I
think this was probably in the u Wenta Mountains. A
lot of creepy stuff goes down the Uentas and a
guy went solo camping and he's reading a book and
he kept hearing stuff off, you know, from his campsite
and everything, and he fell asleep reading this book. So
he's passed out and he wakes up and he can
see a tiny little man, a little person off on
the log that's surround you know, at the edge of
his campsite, and it's holding his damn book, which means
it came right the hell up to his noggin while
he was asleep and grabbed his book.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's no, no dig you. Yeah, yep. I'm out
there with you on that one.
Speaker 2: I had to share that with you. So yeah, that's.
Speaker 3: Isn't that where Pedro was found? The well, maybe you
don't know about Pedro. I think it was the Unto
Mountains in Wyoming or you taught me. And there was
a little sixteen inch man that was found mummified on
a shelf in a cave. I talk about it in
my book a little bit, but it was paraded around
for about twenty years around the US where they were
showing this little man, this little mummified man off in
kind of like the sideshow circuit and they called it Pedro.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know where if that was where he was found.
I now have to look that up. I don't recall that. Yeah,
a lot of creepy stuff. Okay, So I all right,
maybe I got the little people out of my system.
Maybe not. I don't know. We'll see. I'm pretty fascinated
by them. So when I saw it you wrote a
book on them, I'm like, uh oh, I'm gonna have
to bring that up with Randy. Okay, So before you
got into Bigfoot, did you even believe in bigfoot at all?
Was that a thing? I mean, are you from Tennessee
and everybody's out bigfoot?
Speaker 3: No? No, no. Growing up, nobody ever talked about bigfoot
at all, like you'd hear the old folk talk about boogers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the hill.
Speaker 3: But I mean I, as a kid, I was raised
by my grandparents. I just took that as like old folk,
you know, folklore. I didn't take it as actually something
that was out there. And I I was open to
there being bigfoot, but it was always that's something in
the Pacific Northwest. That's not something that's here in Tennessee.
And and but until I had my first, you know, encounter,
and then I didn't, I don't know how else to
explain what it was that happened to me other than Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the good old boogers. Okay, So what would your
grandparents say about the boogers? Is it was did you
feel like it was just a story to keep you
out of the woods at night and get you home
when it's dark kind of a thing?
Speaker 3: Pretty much? Yeah, because they're talking about the boogers down
in the hollows. Yeah, that you didn't go down the
halls after dark because that's where the boogers would be.
And they talked about there was one gentleman that my
dad knew that talked about the boogers coming off the
mountain after dark, that you don't want to be trapped
up on the mountain after dark because that's when the
boogers come off the mountain. And as a kid, it
was like, sure, okay, whatever, you know, that's that's really
how I kind of looked at it. I didn't think
anything to it. And that same mountain though that they
talked about the boogers coming down off the mountain. I've
had several encounters up there, not sightings, but like vocalizations
and like woodenknocks and stuff like that on that same mountain.
So he seemed to be don't know what he was
talking about.
Speaker 2: So you already kind of hinted that you had a sighting.
So prior to that, you're not really into the Bigfoot subject.
You've heard about the boggers from your grandparents, but other
than that, it wasn't really on your brain. So if
you wouldn't mind sharing that kind of inception story with us.
Speaker 3: Sure, sure it was nineteen ninety nineteen ninety eight, or
I'm sorry, nineteen ninety seven. May of nineteen ninety seven,
Me and my cousin had hiked up to an abandoned
rock corry that's outside of town, about three miles outside
of my town, and it's about a mile hike to
get up to this rock cory. And I had heard
my entire life all of these weird stories about this
abandoned rock cory because it had been abandoned for almost
twenty years when we got it. When we were going
up there and people talking about hearing you know, weird
screams and cries and stuff like that, but I never
thought anything of it. Figured they were hearing bobcats something
like that. But the day we got up there, as
soon as we got up there, we stuck our feet.
We took our boots off and stuck our feet in
the water of this there's a lake in this, like
big Box Canyon, And so we're sitting there with our
feet in the lake and we've been there maybe five
minutes or so, and something up on top of the cliff.
There's like sixty five seventy five foot cliffs on our
all sides of this Box canyon. Something starts vocalizing at us.
And immediately I think it's got to be a hunter
or something, because there are no animals that make this sound,
so it's got to be somebody, you know, messing with us.
And it sounded like a moo move, and it just
kept going over and over and getting louder, and we
started kind of like laughing about it, thinking it's a
hunter trying to mess with us. So we started making
the sound back and it just goes quiet. And as
we're sitting there, you know, with it being quiet for
a couple of a minute or so, We're like, okay,
I guess that. You know, dude finally got his happies
off or whatever a boulder about. You know, this big
weighing well over three hundred pounds just goes sailing off
of this cliff and splashes into the water about sixty
feet away from us, so hard that the waves. I
remember the waves hitting our legs where our feet were
still in the water, and where my cousin looks at
me and he's like, what could do that? And immediately
I'm like, I don't know that. There's nothing. You know,
I'm a big guy. I'm six to four man, I'm
like two hundred fifteen pounds. I'm a pretty browny guy.
I cannot could not if I tried pick up that boulder,
much less throw it twenty five thirty feet like a flung.
So we left. We got freaked out by and left,
and I started talking to all my hunter relatives and
all that, you know, I'm like, what could do this?
And nobody had an answer. One of the people tried
to say it was a bull that got stuck up
there on the cliff somehow, and I'm like, out did
the bull throw a boulder and he's like, well, I
don't know about that part, but uh so, So I
ended up going on the line and trying to find, like,
you know, animal sounds, and I ended up going to
a BFRO website way back in the day and there
was a sound on there that was similar. So I
contacted them and they ended up contacting me, and that
was kind of my my descent into the field investigation.
They invited me to become a field investigator for them,
so I did for a little while, and then I
went on my own with Mary Green. If you've ever
heard of Mary Green back in the gay here in Tennessee. Yeah,
she took me under her wing and she really taught
me like all of the how to how to you know,
talk to people, how to get get information out of them,
how to let them know that you you know, you're there,
you actually care, You're not trying to make fun of them,
stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a huge part of it, right, I mean,
we're were you guys right out of the gate thinking
what else could do that? I mean, men, even you said,
you're like, I couldn't have picked that up, so immediately
did you go that was a damn bogger.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know what it could have been. Yeah,
well I got then with it making the sounds. It
sounded kind of like a uh, like a bull mixed
with a haller monkey, and that primate haller monkey kind
of was I think what led me to look looking
on the big Foot websites because it was like, what
else could that be? They could throw something like that?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so you probably don't recall it was a
while ago, but do you recall what where the recording
was recorded that was similar to the sound that you heard?
What state that would have been from? Just out of curiosity,
I believe, Okay, I think, yeah, that is helpful when
people actually do submit the recordings, right, because then you
can you can at least try to compare and contrast things,
or you just go, oh, that scream sounds more like
a fox or something, you know, because a lot of
times people misidentifying that's okay, yeah, all right, so.
Speaker 3: You never a box screamer or even a cottontail scream
you know, when they're when a cottontail's being caught, you'll
think that a woman's being you know, killed, not the woods.
Speaker 2: So once you heard that and you realized what it
probably was. Considering the sound mixed with the fact that
it picked up what it did and through what it did,
did you start to even put together things from your
even childhood that you went, Oh, I wonder if that's
what that was? Or was that literally the first thing
that occurred.
Speaker 3: I I did a couple of things, like there was
time I've been going up to that that that same
quarry for years before this ever happened. And again like
I had heard stories, and one of the things that
one of the stories I had heard and it had
happened to me was it seemed like I had been
walked out of there before as a teenager, like something
had tricked in the woods near me. But as a teenager,
it was like I was like, I'm just being paranoid,
you know, I was.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 3: Just making excuses really, But but I've wondered since then
if that wasn't if that was you know, the same
family that lives in that same area there, What were.
Speaker 2: You doing that you felt like you well that they
felt like you needed to be escorted out You just
happened to be there walking through or were you fishing.
Speaker 3: That that I My theory is that they there's a
family of bigfoot that basically live up there on the
mountain near that quarry, And I think that where people
have told me they've been walked out as well. I
think they're basically walking you out because they see that
lake up there as a resource. You know, if you're
up there fishing or you're up there swimming or whatever
you're you're messing with their food. There's fishing there. Uh,
you know, that's what I think.
Speaker 2: What were you what were you doing at that time.
Speaker 3: Going up to the lake and swimming and stuff?
Speaker 2: Yeah, coming back. Did you ever come across any other
reports from that very quarry over the years over the years.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I've actually talked to a talked to a
group that was camping up there once. They did not
call it a bigfoot, they called it a huge man.
But it was early in the morning, the sun was
coming up, and there was a heard of deer that
they saw on top of the cliffs, come to the
edge of the cliffs, move down the cliff line, and
then where it goes down down the cliff line, it
opens up and there's a big broad almost like a peninsula,
that sticks out over the lake there, and they the
deer stood there at that peninsula and they said they
saw a huge man walk out of the woods and
just stand there the silhouette of him at the top
of the cliffs staring at the deer. And I'm pretty
sure that's what they saw, is they saw one of
the sasquats that live up there, and he was hunting
those deer, and the deer knew the people were there,
so they came out and they opened you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a cool sighting. Yeah, like far enough away
to where you don't feel like he's going to cannonball
into the lake and come and get you, but you know, uh,
close enough to where you go that's a really big guy.
Yeah right, yeah, cannon ball. Okay, So in between that
first experience with your cousin and then you're starting to
pick a momentum and researching and things, what are out
of this one hundred and thirty plus And I know
you have other experiences that I want to get to,
but what are a couple of memorable ones that you
went out to that you know, maybe someone was shaken
up by, or a unique encounter experience that you've come across.
Speaker 3: Sure, there's there's a specific road up on up here
that we called Sasquatch Highway because there's so many sidings
around that road. Both there was a we we went
out and talked to a family that was having sidings
on their property on that that specific road, and six
months later through the gcb r O if you know
who they are, a friend. Then the gc barrew contacted
me and he's like, look, I've got a siding from
up your way if you want it. And so I
got it completely from a separate, you know, organization, not
from not from our guys, and we have to go
check it out. And the lady was like, you might
want to see this, and she takes me over to
a glass this big glass door that they had installed
in the sight of the storage shed that they had outside.
And the storage shed they had like a big snooker's
table and a couple of ATVs off the side, and
they said that they would go in there and play
pool and snookers, and it was too hot during the summer,
so they installed this new door and it's just big
glass door and on this glass door was this full
facial imprint seven and a half foot up on this
door where something had come in and just mashed its
greasy face up against the glass and left this impression
where you could see the hairs, the individual hairs going
across its brow over into its nose. Its nose was
about three inches wide. It was wild, and it freaked
them out quite a bit because you know this they
had never they knew that they'd had wood knocks and
things like that on their property. And the lady said
she was pretty comfortable with it at that point, but
seeing where it was coming up and looking in the
window and just how big and ugly really he was,
that really freaked the lady out.
Speaker 2: They really are such creepers, aren't they.
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of. And we call that one Atticus, based
off one of the one of the the eyewitnesses. She
named Atticus, but we started calling him Aticus because he
it's like something he does on that road. He will
just window peak in on people. People like has come
to us and told us like, I was washing the
dishes and I noticed the movement and I look over
and there's this giant thing staring at me in the window.
And so Atticus just likes the window peak. I don't
know if it's entertainment. He doesn't seem to be aggressive.
It just seems to be you know, she's bored.
Speaker 2: We are entertainment for them, that's for sure.
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 2: And the funny thing is, and I'm always talking to
folks that, you know, they they either don't have blinds
or curtains, or if they do, they just don't shut them.
And I'm always like, yeah, why don't you close your
damn blinds?
Speaker 5: But hey, what do I know?
Speaker 3: But you know, what did you guys?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we're the movies for them. I suppose
why not? But you know, it unless and I would
imagine if they're in there playing their games and doing
whatever it would take him. It whatever to be literally
what he's doing up against the glass for you to
actually see him. Because if if you just take a
step away from something like that and you're all lit
up and the outside's dark, you're not seeing a damn thing.
Speaker 3: Nothing at all. Yeah. Yeah, Like I said, one of
those one of those witnesses was talking about washing her
dishes and just she just noticed moving out of the
corner of her eye and there he was. So now
who knows how long he was even standing there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, att a kiss. That's a cool name for a sasquadal.
I like that seven and a half feet tall. It's
easy to throw numbers around. And you know, I implore
anybody to take a measuring tape and take it up
seven and a half eight feet tall and it's a
lot taller than you think it is.
Speaker 3: Yes, it is that. When she told me, she's like,
you know, when she was showing me the facial imprint,
she actually opened the door and she's like, you notice
the stairs and there was no stairs. They had not
they had not installed stairs at all, so it was
just a big drop down to the gravel. So he
was just standing there on that gravel, you know, just
no problem.
Speaker 2: See you fine, Thanks a bunch for the show. Does
she did she take a picture before that faded or
got cleaned up?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, she took several.
Speaker 2: Actually yeah really is that?
Speaker 6: So?
Speaker 2: Was that while you were so doing your solo work
or with the g C b R or where I was, Well,
that was.
Speaker 3: Did you say Barrow was the ones that gave me
the the oh right right, yeah, deciding told me to
go check it out and stuff. Yeah, but I was
checking it for forty in Tennessee, which is my group.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that able to be seen anywhere by anybody
that that picture.
Speaker 3: I can probably get you a copy of it, get
to sit to you.
Speaker 2: That would be amazing.
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 2: But is that for? Is that just for me? Is
that just for me to see?
Speaker 5: Though?
Speaker 3: Well, she doesn't really get I mean she would. She's
told me that she would let me have one if
I wanted one.
Speaker 2: Oh, well done, No, that's okay. I don't want to
make her uncomfortable. That was probably a while ago, anyway,
so she'd be like, wait, who are you sharing this with?
We don't want to make anybody uncomfy. That is so
cool though, well unless you live there and it's bothering you.
But she's but you said she was kind of used
to it at that point though. But then when she
sees this face seven and a half feet up, did
that freak her out? Then?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It freaked her out. Yeah, she was, she because
up until that point she was kind of accepting, like
they're out in the woods and they stay where they
need to stay, and they don't come in on the
property at that much things like that. But that that
was a show of like, no, they're on the property
and they look in your windows.
Speaker 2: Then it turns. Then it takes a turn, and that
really doesn't make it a whole lot different though, when
things start to interact and come in that closely. Did
anything happen after that for that woman on that property.
Speaker 3: They've had some stuff happen. It's mainly WOODENKNOCKX and some vocalizations.
Speaker 2: Right to him. Yeah, I mean what do you do though,
you know, do you really pick up and move? He
hasn't really done anything. You know, I know some people
might want to leave, but it's not that he can't
just pick up and move your house, you know.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, her husband, her husband was a military contractor
and so a lot of the time, she said that,
you know, she'd be up there by herself for months
on end, and she would be hearing the wooden knox
and things like that. And again, you know, this is
before she saw the FACI imprint, the facial imprint, so
I didn't really bother. She said, it kind of felt secure,
like they were keeping an eye on her. And then
when the facial imprint had and like her husband was
very kind of hesitant to believe anything was going on.
He's like, you know, you don't know what's making those
wood knocks and stuff like that was making excuses, but
once the facial imprint, they kind of solidified. You know,
there was stuff going on that that the wife was
you know sure about.
Speaker 2: So do you recall if when he when Atticus came
in and actually looked in against the glass, was she
there by herself at that time or was that one
of the points when her husband was home.
Speaker 3: Her husband was home?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, so actually her husband being home could
have been you know, something different and it's like, oh
he's back again, you know. Yeah, not to throw human attributes,
but you know, maybe he was jealous or something. I mean, uh,
Donna and Gregg's property that they had in Washington State,
it was almost the exact same situation. She was home
alone a lot of the time, and when he would
be home, it seemed like some of the activity would
be a little bit different at that point, you know,
versus when she was alone. So that is very interesting.
Thanks for sharing that, Randy. Yeah, So how about well
why don't we go here? Because in your email you
mentioned that there's actually essentially five separate what you call
hotspots in the Cumberland Plateau area. So it did that
come from? You know, maybe some of your investigations from
other people's reports, and then you just kind of go
out and you're camping, and then maybe you were corroborating
with your own kind of hearing things and seeing things.
Speaker 3: Some of them, yes, some are bad way exactly. Our
main hot spot is up on the Comeland Plateau, and
that's where we did the Crypti camp out this last
couple of weeks ago, a few weeks back, and then
the other camp The other hot spots are roughly about
twenty twenty five miles apart each. It makes us, it
gives us the impression that we're dealing with different family units.
We think, I can't swear that, but it seems that way.
Speaker 2: So what would give you the hint that there are
that many different family units? Just the vocalizations are different,
the course of sightings are different color of hair, things
like that, things like that.
Speaker 3: The descriptions of the Bigfoot that people have seen, those
areas footprints that we've actually found that were different sizes,
Like on one place whide Buffalo Mountain there we've found
regularly a seventeen and a half inch print and a
nineteen inch print, and we found it like all over
different parts of that whole mountain, and then in another
place like our main hotspot where we had the cryptic
camp out, they actually found some fifteen and a half
inch prints and we have found up to twenty two
inch prints up there at that side. What's wild about that?
I don't want to get into the camp out thing
like before you want me to, but there we actually
had a sighting our first day of the camp out,
two of our attendants, and it was such a roughly
eleven foot individual and we think he's the individual that
had the twenty two inch prints that we found. So
it's corroborative and it's just like really made our day
that they had that sighting when they did, because they
had no idea about the foot print sizes that we'd
found in the past, and when they were describing how
big he was, where like, that has to be him,
it has to be.
Speaker 2: Oh that's great corroboration, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh my god, it it made our whole camp out.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely no, I don't care when we get into things.
That's how the conversation goes where it goes. I love it. Okay,
So that happened just on this very last camp out.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, this last month in April.
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, so what was seventeenth What was this eleven
foot doing when he was spotted?
Speaker 3: They were it was a father and son and they
were walking across a bridge. There's a bridge over over
one of the creeks that's near the campsite, and as
they were walking over this bridge, they both said that
they noticed it. They were about about ten foot apart
on this bridge. They noticed what looked like what they
thought at first was a blooming dogwood tree because it
was white. And as they walked were walking, they were
they kept noticing it kind of moving, and they thought
it was the breeze at first, and as they moved,
it just straight up started moving and trying to get
behind a cab. There's an old abandoned cabin down there
near the river, and it was trying to get behind
that cabin, and they watched it. They said, when they
realized what they were looking at, they said it was
it was a kind of lanky and thin and had
white hair and was about eleven foot tall. They and
we had about five researchers on the spot within about
uh thirty minutes of it happening, I found a footprint
over there I found a bunch of decomp like where
the ground was was compressed, where something with weight had
gone through there. Uh, it was wild. It's so well,
we think we think it was Archie. We call him
Archie does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So next the seven and a half foot
Now take that tape measure to eleven and see if
you need your pants changed. A white bigfoot. Okay. So,
and especially when you said lanky and thin, then that
automatically kind of solidified in my mind. You just when
you think of a white bigfoot. We all get our
gray sprouts when we get older, and then the white
bigfoot you think is maybe an older one. Then you
said he is lanky and thin. Granted he's still eleven
feet tall, but maybe that is an older individual.
Speaker 3: Right, that's what we think. Yeah, yeah, years years in
that hotspot where we found those those prints. We found
those twenty two inch prints twice, and they've always been
in the exact same area. This it's this one area
that's basically surrounded by six seep springs come out of
the ground and they all combined into a little stream,
and it's the help That area of the ground there's
really soft, it's really good for getting tracks and where
we found his tracks once they were coming down a
hill and there was a ten and a half inch
stride between two tracks, so he looked like he was running.
But we found huge arch formations back there, I mean
thirty foot trees pulled over, you know, stuck under under
a log, and like we so we had this impression
that there's a big male in this area. And we
started calling him Archie because because the arch trees and
so that the fact that like they saw one of
the same roughly the size that he was estimated to
be with those kind of tracks. Oh, I just yeah,
made our day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, without them knowing the size of the tracks that
you had already measured, You're like, holy crap that it
tracks no pun intended, right, that is incredible. How how
big would you say the whole Cumberland Plateau area is?
Speaker 3: I think, if I'm not mistaken, it's it's like three
hundred and something miles from Kentucky down into Alabama. It
technically goes all the way up up into Kentucky, down
into northern Alabama and then all the way through Tennessee.
Speaker 2: WHOA, Okay, yeah, I'm only vaguely familiar with Tennessee, because
of what I was talking to you about maybe one
of these days being in that area, you are making
the case as to why that should happen. Also, Okay,
within these hot spots you said, vocalization, wood knocks, track finds,
and then direct visual encounters, which you just talked about. So,
oh well, before we go off of that though, let's
stay on the camp out for a second, because we
just had the We had Archie right, what else went
on during this particular camp out? Anything?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah. To be completely honest, miss lea girl
like I. When we were doing this camp at planning it,
we put it in our main hotspot because we have
so much activity there. But we were we were genuinely like,
man if if just we get a wood knock and
some people hear it, we'll be happy, you know, Like
then things will have happened. But like I said, the
first day that they had deciding, the first night held
bit Holler was our guests at the at the camp out,
and they let us in a bunch of night hikes
and night ops and we had people there that had
never never big put it at all. They came with thermal,
came with night vision came with parabolics, I mean they
were decked out. It was beauty, and so Jesse and
Joe's put everybody up in groups. We went out about
a mile and a half total in groups of four.
We got thermals the first night we were out there of
what looked like some kind of weird, ghostly face down
in the bottoms. We spent the next day actually trying
to dispute what that thermal was like out there on site.
We had about thirty people out on site, like going
through every every possible angle to make sure that this
wasn't some sort of you know, some some kind of
leaf or some kind of whatever. And we couldn't figure
out what it was. And we found what looked like
prince that were leading away from where the thermal was taken.
The next night we had wood knocks. We had a
couple of vocalizations that they actually heard all the way
up on the campsite where we were actually where we
were was about a mile and a half to a
mile and a quarter away from the camp on the
trail where we have all our activity, most or most
of our activity. We had another group of researchers that
were on a different trail, and we had something come
through that was so wretchedly, horrendously stinky that the people
that was on one trail smelled it, and then the
people on our trail smelled it where it was traveling through.
And then something knocked tree down at one of our
one of our recon groups. Freaked them out.
Speaker 2: That must have been so loud.
Speaker 3: It was like it was about one hundred feet away
from where they were where the tree came down. Yeah, yeah,
so they were. They were freaked out.
Speaker 2: It was great, Yeah, that will do it. See, And
that's what I love about people like Jesse and Joe.
They go out all the time. They have the gear
because having even just a thermal is such an invaluable tool,
because even a squirrel rooting around in some deadly leaves
can sound a hell of a lot bigger than it
actually is. So that way you can go, Okay, that's
a raccoon, that's whatever. But the fact that you said that,
you've got like thirty people trying to essentially debunk and
figure out something normal that it was or it's paradolia
or it's a stick. You know, well, you're saying leaves
or sticks or whatever. I appreciate that very much because,
as you know, a lot of people, everything to them
is Bigfoot and it's just it's not. So that is.
Speaker 3: Exactly, and that's what we're trying to do with the
campout was was trying to like give people kind of
the basics for like, you know, so you can go
out and do your own, boots on the ground, investigating yourself. Yeah,
you know, don't don't don't wait on somebody to take you.
Go out there and do it yourself. That's all. That's
the best way to do it.
Speaker 2: Was that your first camp out that you did.
Speaker 3: That is the first campout we did.
Speaker 1: Yeh.
Speaker 2: Are you guys going to be doing them every year?
Speaker 3: I we're thinking about doing them every year.
Speaker 2: Yeah awesome, Well I will be on one of those
one of these days. Count me in. That sounds amazing, dude.
Speaker 3: If you want to be involved, we will totally totally
hosts you one.
Speaker 2: No, I will, I please, I will come out a
second to something like that. I need some woods in
my life, that's all I know. Okay, how about this
tree peaker experience.
Speaker 3: The one that was popping up back like doing this you.
Speaker 2: Said it was a female you mentioned in the email.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, well that was that was on our
primary hotspot where we had the camp out.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that didn't happen at the camp out. It happened
years ago, but it was in the same area. We
were going down the trail about eleven thirty at night
and we saw eyeshine off the side. So we all
had these huge, like three thy five hundred loom lamps
on us. So we just blast the side of the
where this this eye shine is completely thinking we're going
to blast a raccoon or an apossum or something like that,
and whatever it is, it ducks. And so we're over
here like just daylighting this whole area and we start
noticing these two trees and something's popping up and looking
at us like this, and it's got forward facing eyes
and like chocolate brown hair, and so one of our
researcher buddies it's with us, Gatto. He's like, he's shorter
than we are. He can't really see it from the
perspective where he's standing, so he's like, let me in there,
let me go see, let me go see. And we're like, dude,
we don't know what that is. You need to wait
we need to forget, you know, figure out what we're
looking at. And he's like, just let me go see.
So we're like, you know what, goat take off, and
so he goes chomping into the woodline. And this is
again eleven thirty nine. He disappears from our camera. We've
got GoPros and stuff on, and he disappears about ten
seconds goes by and I call out and I'm like, Gotto,
do you see anything? And he responds with yeah, I'm
looking straight at her. And May and my friend Joshua
Manning look at each other and like, what do you
mean her? And he's like, she's right in front of me.
And Gotto explained that basically when he got back there,
he's walking back there through the trees and there is
this female sasquatch that is on its hands and knee
and hands and feet like spread out like spider, crawling backwards,
crawls under a log, and after it crawls under the log,
it stands up and he says, he tells me later
that it's not as big as you are. I'm six
foot four, but as bigger than me. And he's like,
I think Gotto is five foot eight. So it was
like somewhere in the six food range. But he said
that you it was very obvious when it stood up
that it was female. And then then he he he
kind of said everything washed over and like what was
going on? And he got he got out of he
heard his call and tell him he needs to come
out of there, and he got out of there. So
but uh, it was kind of funny, like he got
back to site the camp site later and we couldn't
find him anywhere. He just disappeared and he ended up
coming like about an hour later. We find him and
he's just white, white as a sheet, and he's like,
I had to go evacuate everything out of my body.
He's like, did everything hit me at once? What had
just happened? And he's like I just couldn't, just had
to had to go.
Speaker 2: So so, not only did he see a spider crawl,
he saw a reverse spider crawl.
Speaker 3: He saw yes, yes, pretty much, yeah, under a log,
which to me, the spatial awareness you have to have
just to crawl under something much less backwards on your hands,
that's crazy.
Speaker 2: That's yeah. That must have been insane to see that
and something that it gets still six feet tall and
especially even the females. You know, they usually are like
three four feet across whenever, blah blah. But to be
able to be that agile in that position in reverse
is insane. Yeah, would you want to see something like?
Speaker 3: What's that?
Speaker 2: Would you want to see one? Do that?
Speaker 3: I'm good? Yeah, I'm good. My third sighting that I
ever had was of a juvenile, and it disturbed me
so badly. They like at this point, like, I'm good
if I don't see another sasquat. Oh I want to
go out there and like get evidence as we can
and all that, but like every time I see one,
they it rattles my my world so badly. For for
a few weeks, they're like, I don't know if I
want to see another one or not.
Speaker 2: Oh, we will definitely get to that then. Holy sh
I see. Everybody always says be careful what you wish for, right,
So yeah, man, So Gatto sees this squatch do that?
How far was he from her?
Speaker 3: Oh god? He said he was probably within ten to
fifteen feet.
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, no wonder And he.
Speaker 3: Said when he went back there, when he when he
first saw her, he said, the first thing he saw
was her eyes because he said her eyes were locked
onto him. And he said her eyes never like, never
looked away the entire time she was moving backwards. They
were just locked on him the entire time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can. I can try to picture that. Uh
and it that would freak me the hell out too, absolutely.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2: So for you to say, yeah, I'm good, that makes
sense to me because just like them being massive and
being in trees or in deep bodies of water, there's
just something weird about that to me. And so is
the spider crawl. But the reverse spider crawl, that's a
new one. That is a big holy sheisa, my goodness,
gracious did now does that mean that that was Gatto's
I'm good on this for a while. Did that change
him going out into the woods after that?
Speaker 3: It did actually for a while. Yeah. He wouldn't go
out to the to our hot spot by itself for
a pretty good while after that.
Speaker 2: And he used to though he used to be great
like by.
Speaker 3: Used to go out there by ourselves all the time.
Then after my siding and then after him seeing what
he saw and we were we were with him when he
saw what he saw, he still won't go out there.
By hisself to this day.
Speaker 2: Whoa, Oh, my goodness, and I'm sorry when did when
did that occur?
Speaker 3: That was in twenty and sixteen, now.
Speaker 2: Seventeen, and still to this day he's like, nope, I'm
not going solow. God, who could blame him? My goodness, gracious.
Did you get the sense that And of course we
wouldn't know because it's very much like the end of
Harry and Henderson's where you don't see anything until they
move or they want you to. But did you get
a sense that there was others around? During that tree
peaker sequence?
Speaker 3: We heard stuff on the side behind us, And again
I don't know if it was because we had a
drenaline was rolling and we were just like hearing every
little snapping, you know, twig that happened, but like we
heard something, and that was while we yelled and we're like,
gott too, you need to come out, and he said
when you heard of say that, he was like, yeah,
I need to come out now.
Speaker 2: So good lord, Okay, I was not expecting the verse
spider crawl. Holy crap. Okay, well, let's let's hear about
the You're a hell to the naw event. You're juvenile
oh the juvenile.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I again, I used to go out there
by myself all the time. I was out down in
our hotspot in the bottoms, and I was getting them
the wooden knock, trying to get an idea of like
where they were. I know that it's really stupid looking
back at it now, like they're just going to sit still,
and but uh, I got them wood knocking, and I
don't decided. I was going to go down this one
creek bottom and they cut over to the main creek
and then I was going to follow that up to
the campsite. And I had done this in the winter
several times, but this was in like June, like June eighth,
and I did not take into account like that everything
was going to be in bloom and especially Mount Laurel
was gonna be like crazy, and I ended up getting
stuck in a big patch of Mount Laurel. And as
I'm stuck in this patch of Mount Laurel, I heard
something approach me, like it sounded like legs going through
like high weeds and stuff. And I actually took out
my phone and got audio. You can hear the steps
being taken and then it just stops and so I
staid there for about a minute and then I kind
of freaked myself out a little bit, and I'm like, Okay,
I'm gonna go, and I start going through this Mount Laurel.
In about two minutes after I'm going through this Mount Laurel,
I pushed this big chunk, this one branch of Mount
Laurel away from me and off to my eleven o'clock
there is this big root ball of a tree that
has fallen over. And in the bottom like bottom right
quarter of this root ball, there's a hole. And when
you see a hole, you know how you can just
tell it's a hole rot like that because the depth
of the of the darkness that you're seeing. So I
see this hole and it's June, and I'm thinking I'm
about to get chewed up by coyotes. Probably that's probably
a coyote den, and a coyote's about to come out,
because I have pups about this time of year, so
I'm expecting a coyote to come out and you know,
yip at me or whatever. And the hole moved. And
when the hole moved, I don't know to this day
why I could not see that what it was. But
when it moved, It moved and did this, and rolled over,
and it put its chin onto its chest and it
sat there like tight muscled. And the only way I
can describe it as a parent is like if you've
ever had a child in trouble and you put them
on the couch and they kind of just sit there
like this, And that's what this thing was doing. And
it was mister grow. It couldn't have been bigger than
five feet. It was about the size of my of
my young daughter at the time, and it was it
wasn't thick. Excuse me, it wasn't thick. It was kind
of wiry, and it looked like a hairy kid like.
It did not look like a hairy ape. It didn't
look like a chimp. It looked like a freaking hairy kid.
And as soon as that washed over me that I'm
looking at a hairy kid and it looks like it's
scared of me, That's that's the impression I got, that
this thing is scared of me. I broke down. And
I don't know to this day how I got out
of that Mount Laurel as quick as I did, because
I was having trouble with it up until that point,
but I apparently teleported out of that mountain Laurel, like
I went through it so fast, ended back up on
the trail, and because I was by myself, I told
myself the whole walk back to my car, I'm not
talking about this to anybody because nobody's with me. Nobody's
gonna believe me. I don't know how to even explain
what I just saw. And I drive the whole way
home thinking this, like, I'm not gonna talk about this.
I get home literally walking my door, and my wife goes, honey,
what's wrong. And I'm like, what do you mean? And
she just looks at me and she's like, something's wrong.
I can see it all over you. And so I'm
like okay, and she takes me into our bedroom and
sits me down and she's like, tell me what's wrong.
She's like, you look bad. And I start telling her
miss Lagroue, like what happened, and I just I'm a
a tryer toime. I just lost it, Like I started
bawling like a baby. And I think it's because you know,
I've got I've got four kids, and this just reminded
me of like of a hairy child in the woods,
like I was having problems with it there for for weeks, Like,
am I should I call somebody? Should I? Who's gonna
believe me if I call them and tell them there's
a hairy kid in the woods, like it messed with
me bad? And I wonder if what I heard walking
up to me earlier, like just it was just a
little while before I saw it, if that wasn't one
of the parents and they I don't know if you
know who my Humphreys is from the Hanobea Seeds of Anobia.
But I'm really good friends with Mike, And I called
Mike up when this happened, and I'm like, you know
what in the world and I should I do? And
He's like, brother, They my opinion is they let you
see that little one. They they let you come in.
They they know you're out there, you know you're interacting
with them and stuff, and and they're letting you know
that they're a family. And I'll be damned, excuse my language,
if that has not changed. It didn't, If that did
not change every bit of how I research from that
point forward, because I can no longer go into these areas,
these hotspots and stuff, and like I used to be
very much of the cryptid ape camp. You know that
I'm going in there and I'm missing with like a
cryptid ape, and it's just it's just really smart and
we just hadn't caught one yet, and I don't believe that.
Now I believe we're dealing with some sort of human
relative of some kind. It changed everything about about how
I research after I had that encounter.
Speaker 2: So maybe the thought is it's it's motion and I
know exactly what you mean about a kid in trouble.
It's almost like it sat up like okay, mom, and
just like here I am, and just sat there like that,
like it was told to do that.
Speaker 3: That's what That's what Mike was suggesting that that they
were It was allowing me to see it. Yeah, so
that I would know that there was a family. I
was dealing with a family, and I've dealt with him
like that ever since then. That then I'm dealing with
a family.
Speaker 2: How many times had you been in that area, give
or take five miles, I don't know, just an arbitrary number.
How many times had you been in that area do
you think at that point?
Speaker 3: Oh god, hundreds?
Speaker 2: Oh wow? So what Mike said is probably, of course
bought on. I would imagine there they are intelligent no
matter what they are, so I would imagine they would
know you quite well. They would recognize you, And that's
what he thinks, you So, because I wonder if you
were just some Miranda stuck in the Mounta Laurel, if
it would have turned out very differently for that person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't think say that's the way
it was sitting there. Just everything in me, Like I
was telling when I was telling Mike about it, you know,
it's there's no way you can tell me that thing
couldn't have slinked around the edge of that root ball
and I never would have seen it, or it could
have slinked around after me singing it right that first
second I saw it, and I still wouldn't have known
what I just saw.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're probably I mean, if you're stuck in
some bushes like that, you're you're pretty preoccupied. You're probably
looking down most of the time. You were probably doing this,
doing that, doing this, doing that. So yeah, it could
have it could have scooted really, really easily. So it
did seem intentional.
Speaker 3: That's the way it seems.
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you of the mind what was that? What
was that? Randy?
Speaker 3: I said, I can't swear that, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean that's a that's a great theory
because it could have even maybe even stayed still and
maybe you wouldn't even noticed it. I don't know, maybe
you would have. But are you of the mind that
occasionally that they do take people for whatever reason?
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I don't
see why. I don't logically, if they're flesh and blood creature,
then then I don't see why they couldn't. It just
seems like, you know, a dud to me. If it's
a flesh and blood creature. Yeah, I know there's a
lot of people in the community they don't think there
are fleshing blood creatures. But I mean, the the child
I saw was flesh and blood. It looks like flesh
and blood to me. It didn't look like a fairy
or anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if it it would be hard to guess this.
But if it's if you could see it standing, do
you think how tall do you think that that little
one would?
Speaker 3: I think that's tall because it reminded me the same
that it had the same same kind of like lengthy
shape that like my daughter, my youngest daughter had at
the time. That's what it reminded me of. And I
think that's one reason that it really like hit me
as like it did, is not only you know, not
only is there is it a child, but it's like
it looked like it was about the same size as
my daughter and about the same age. Maybe I don't know, you.
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, no, I get that, Randy, because so it's
just being such an intentional sighting and it seemed like
there was so much behind it for you, for whatever
reason from them, that's what got to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I can understand that. Ooh, that is a heck of
his sighting though, So you don't you already kind of
said that, but you're like, I'm good. I don't need
to see anything after that when I go out.
Speaker 3: Now, Like I had people at the camp out ask me,
they're like, you know, you know, do you want to
see another one? And I'm like, I'm good, I've seen
I know they're out there. I don't really need to
see them to know they're out there anymore. Oh, I
think if I was to see one, I would like
to see one. If I'm going to see one again.
I want to have an up close I want to
see its teeth and its gums when it growls at me,
sort of if it's gonna because I know it's gonna
rattle me, then rattle me, like make it worthwhile. I
want to have one of those sidings.
Speaker 2: If you're going to have, you want the coup of
grass siding? Huh, might as well? Big oh man, I
mean you say that now, but then once it's actually happening,
you're like, I was just.
Speaker 3: Kidding, Well, yeah, I probably never want to go out
in the woods again after that.
Speaker 2: Do you think that seeing one like take that scenario
right where you're you're that close to the face and
say you see teeth and gums and the shape of
its nose. Do you think it would be more disturbing
to see one that's more neanderthal slash human looking or
a gorilla type, a class gorilla.
Speaker 3: Type human looking human neanderthal looking totally. Yeah, Yeah, that's
what kind of I think. That's another thing that disturb
me about whenever I had my sighting of that juvenile
is like it put it definitely in the human camp
or the humanes camp, and up to that point, it
was like, again, we're just dealing with like really smart
apes or something like that, and somehow that makes it,
that makes it feel less dangerous to me. Yeah, but
once it becomes like some sort of like it's related
to us, like man, humans are some foul animals, like
these things could be dangerous as hell, and we have
no idea.
Speaker 2: I know this is such a cliche question, but I
do wonder what you think, because you've been out so
much and you've seen them, do you think that the
government does in fact know and they just know that.
We can't. We can't deal with knowing that they're out
there and being confirmed.
Speaker 3: Me and one of my researcher buddies that was at
the camp out, we're having this conversation at the campout actually,
and how is it I can take people out into
the woods and experience this stuff and the government can't
catch them, So like, I have to believe they have
they've caught these things. They have to know about these things.
They have to If I can take some friggin people,
you know, like out in the woods and have them
see them themselves, then you can't tell me that the
government doesn't know that that you know what they are,
they have to. I can't. I can't see it being
like not that I'm saying that it's easy to go
find these things at all. I'm just saying that once
you find like the heartspots and all that, you can
take people and like they can experience this stuff themselves,
So they have to know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think did you think that they just think
we can deal with it or it's always like follow
the money like usual.
Speaker 3: I think it could be. It could well if they
are related to us somehow, like some sort of human
cousin species like entertals or Dennis Ovn's, you know, they
related to them somehow. How do you handle like the
really really hardcore religious people that are not going to
be able to handle that like that. We have an
evolutionary cousin that's living on their back forty and has
been living back there since before they got their property,
and you know what I mean. Yeah, like that's a
lot of problems to deal with. Yeah, social social contract,
right do.
Speaker 2: You protect them? Do you give them their own land?
And we know how that works out and how fair
that can be?
Speaker 3: Right exactly? Yeah, right, we can't. We can't. We can't
treat members of our own species, our own species, Okay,
like just because they have different colored skin, how are
we going to treat them? Yeah, when you know, Oh yeah,
that's one reason I don't. I don't really care if
they they never you know, it's never disclosed. I think
that's probably the best for them. I have everybody there.
Speaker 2: I agree, I absolutely agree. I think it would be
a pardon my French, but it would be a shit
show if that actually came out. And then there's all
these other things going on, not to mention everybody already,
you know, toning around, the the A k's and the ars.
Uh yeah, and oh that goes into another question I
meant to ask. Do you guys go out armed at all?
Even not just for Bigfoot but the other things?
Speaker 3: We don't? I don't. I know a lot of people
you don't think that's crazy, especially when living in Tennessee.
But uh, I we get more activity when we're not armed,
really we do.
Speaker 5: We have.
Speaker 3: We have one guy that goes with it a lot.
He refuses to go unarmed, and literally he will just
complain the entire trip when we when he goes with us,
because he's like, why doesn't anything happen when I come
and it's like it's because you've got that friggin side
cannon on your on your lap there.
Speaker 2: So he's got it in a holster like some like
a thirty eight or something. Yep, yeah, yeah, now they
know what the boomsticks are, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: They do. They do.
Speaker 2: Do I know that everyone's gonna yell at me if
I don't ask this question? Do you guys put up
trail cams? Do you think that there's any reason to
put up a trail cam? Do you know? Do you
do you anything to try to capture them? Is there
any reason to do that?
Speaker 3: The only thing that we ever use is we use
digital recorders a lot. We've caught some really interesting things
in digital recorders, but and usually just by leaving them
around like tree structures and stuff like that. Uh are
We also have a place where we leave fruit a
lot and get them fruit in this one area and
we leave we leave the recorder there a lot, and
we've captured some interesting things there. But we don't try
to like used like cameras or anything like that. Like
every it seems like everybody has tried and they don't
have any look at it, So I don't see.
Speaker 2: The point as I agree. I agree, and people get
really angry about that, and like, if you're having so
much activity, why don't you put up cameras? And I've
said the same, yeah, and I said so many times.
If you put something in my living room, even if
it's something small, I'm gonna notice right away that there
is something in my damn living room. And and if you,
if you want to, and especially for them, I'm not
going to go up and poke right at it. They
might take the whole damn thing off the tree, but
they're gonna just avoid that. Then they're gonna go, well,
guess what, I have a huge living room. I don't
need to be in this spot.
Speaker 3: Yep, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people get people get feisty about that, but they're
just they're not taking it the step further and realizing
what actually happens, you know. And that's what's funny about
people that have activity at their property. It's like, well,
just throw up some more lights and throw up some
cameras and that might take care of the issue if
you don't like them coming in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it usually does.
Speaker 2: Have you guys ever had any And I'm not saying
that this is tied into the big Foot at all,
or if you think it is fine, we can go
down that road too. But have you had strange activity
out there? You've already mentioned the weird face like Jesse
and Joe got that. You light the range lights, the
the orbs and the woods, all that good stuff.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, we've had We've had orbs. We had orbs
at the camp out. Uh. There was four eye witnesses
to an orbit uh back in the bottoms of the campout,
so it moved towards everybody freaked them out. They pop
flash popped their flashlights on it, and the orb disappeared.
Speaker 2: Sounds familiar. I've had one, one single experience like that
where you're just going, who is this guy in the
rain and the cold at two am with the with
the headlamp on. Wasn't a guy in a headlamp because
we had a thermal so and and once you notice
and once you notice it, it notices that you notice it,
and then they go, yep, yep, yep, like, what the heck,
what the heck is that? Right?
Speaker 3: I have no idea. I don't know what orbs are,
but apparently it's it. You know, it's something going on.
Speaker 2: You see any lights in the sky anything like that craft.
Speaker 3: I have seen a UFO, not anywhere near our hotspots,
but I have had a UFO siding back in twenty eleven. Yeah,
just one big, big black triangle. Oh yeah, but you
tell me and my wife, my son and my daughter
also at the same time.
Speaker 2: So were you guys out outdoors or in your car?
Speaker 3: We're in our car. Yep. We're driving back from Manchester, Tennessee,
and we're just about to enter a place called severeble.
I'm sorry, uh severe something like that, severebrale, stuffing like that,
and uh, we noticed this lot it was about to
get dark, and my my ex wife, right as I'm
starting to say something about it, she's like, do you
notice that lot. I'm like, yeah, I notice it. And
it's moving really slow, and as just as we get
up to it, that the road. It's going over the
road and it's just this big giant black triangle with
with like a lot under each point, and it's just
going about, you know, kind of like this speed right here,
like way too slow to be an airplane. Didn't make
any sound. My son was hanging out out the window going,
oh my god, is that what I'm thinking?
Speaker 2: I can see that. That would probably be me too.
You know what's funny about those triangles sometimes, especially those,
they really don't give a crap how slow they're going,
and who sees them it seems right?
Speaker 3: No, yeah, right, Like I that's the thing, Like, I
don't know if I believe they're alien crafts or whatever,
if there's some kind of like black project that we have,
I don't know what they are. But yeah, that thing
did not give a damn that anybody was saying it.
He was going right over the road.
Speaker 2: And especially when they're quiet like that, You're like, how
can something that freaking big move without any sound? That's
just not something that we know of that we know
of a lot of other people in the government do,
of course, But that's a that's a cool sighting. How
big do you think that was?
Speaker 3: Oh? Man, uh, a couple hundred feet probably, Yeah, it
was big.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I would love to see something like that. Okay,
large mail observed in clear daylight, large mail in Yeah,
you mentioned that you saw a large mail observed in
clear daylight.
Speaker 3: It wasn't in daylight. It was in nata.
Speaker 2: Oh. Oh, I probably wrote that down wrong. Sorry, that's
why why you're like, no, I did not see one
in daylight. Uh.
Speaker 3: The first siding I ever had happened at the campsite
that we had the camp out at, and we were
actually going there's it's it's split in the campsite. It
split in an A section, B section in C section
and there's I think eight cabins each section, and you
have to go through C section to get down to
that little river that's the same river where they had
they were on the out on the bridge and saw
the eleven footer. We were walking down to that river,
it's about one o'clock in the morning, and we get
to the very last cabin on my left side, C five,
which is hilarious because if you know Jeremiah from Bigfoot Society,
he was actually staying in that cabin during the camp out.
We got to that cabin and we hear snap, pop,
and we turn and off to the side coming from behind.
We didn't see it come from behind the cabin, but
it was in the process of moving and you could
tell that's where it came from. But it came from
the last cabin on the right, and it's walking sideways
there and we stopped and I don't know if we
gasped or something like that, but like it stops and
it turns the whole top, like the whole top that's
body to look at us. And as it looks at us,
like there is this overwhelming confidence that exudes off this thing,
like you're not even a threat to me. And we
started screaming like girls, me and the other dude I
was with him, like we're huge, we're big guys, and
this big terms and walks walks into the woods like
like we're not even a care.
Speaker 2: It does seem like, and you might have a certain
feeling about this word, but it almost seems like you've
habituated them kind of sort of in a way. In
other words, it just means they've gotten used to you,
you know.
Speaker 3: But I think it's a campsite. That's exactly what I
think is going on in that whole area. Is I
think they're living next to that campsite and they've just
habituated to humans. Yeah, And because I've been up there
so much, I'm just the human that they know about
more than the other humans, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: So are these are these cabins? Is it part of
a state park? Or Okay, it is so at any time.
There could just be random people just doing whatever they're doing.
Speaker 3: Not nine months out of the year there's church groups
and like boy Scouts and stuff like that. Using the Aiah.
Speaker 2: Too bad. You couldn't like leave a separate little like
a photo booth with a camera and a log and
come in and share your big Foot stories because I
know you people got them right. Well.
Speaker 3: What's wild is in some of the cabins we actually
found where people have written from like the seventies and
the eighties and the nineties. They've written stuff like, if
it comes this is the weird one. If it comes
to the window, give it chocolate. What oh, what are
they talking about? Like another another one talks about that
there's there's uh, there's uh. It's haunted by Native Americans
because I can hear them walk up to my window.
Like weird. Just stuff that's jotted on inside of some
of these cabins that makes you think, like that they
are experiencing things and they just don't know what it
is they're experiencing.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow, it sounds like they've been there a long time.
Speaker 3: I think they have. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 3: The rangers. We talked to one of the rangers gotting
good with one of the rangers, and he's told us
some stories, and he's talked about that that that campsite specifically,
they have when it's been closed for the winter, that
they have went down there and taken dead deer that
have been hit by trucks in the park and they'll
take them down there for like coyotes to get rid of.
And they said that they did that one year in March,
early March before the campsite opened, and they took a
deer down there one day and they come back and
the manager says, Oh, I forgot, We're going to open
that side up early this year. You need to go
retrieve that deer. And so they go back literally the
same day that afternoon to get the deer carcass, and
the rangers said that there was the impression of the
deer being there, but the deer was gone. Something that
had picked the beer up and just took off with it.
Speaker 2: So nine months out of the year it's kind of
being rented out to random people, not there for bigfoot purposes.
Do you still go sometimes with you or a couple
other folks and still go up at that same time
when other people are in there.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah all the time. Yeah, we've had
We've had rocks thrown at us while people were up
there partying and stuff. Had no idea it was going on,
like a half mile down the trail, stuff like that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Have you ever had an experience where maybe there's some
partiers or maybe it is girl Scouts or boy Scouts
or something, and then they were having some schiss to
go down and then you kind of you guys ended
up realizing what was going on and then got a
report that way and you were present for it.
Speaker 3: No. Now, all the reports we've gotten going back a
couple of decades have been from rangers hooking us up
with people.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's cool. Yeah, that's cool that you have rangers
that will even talk to you. Have they have the
rangers had any experiences?
Speaker 3: Well, what of the rangers had an experience when he
was sixteen, when he was young, and he saw one,
so he's very open to it. But the rangers had
they they kind of they suspect there's something strange going
on this one trail because they used to have this trail.
I'm not going to get the name of it, but
it used to have a different name and it was
named after a falls, and they've they abandoned that trail
because so many trees were being felling or fallen on
that trail that they would go out there and they
would they would, you know, uh, chainsaw the trail the
tree up, and that the rangers told us that the
very next day there would be a biker going down
the trail and said there'd be another tree down and
that tree would be ten foot down the trail, and
that one's broke off now and over the trail, and
so they they they ended up abandoning the trail and
it's now just called Close Trail. And they they've said,
they've told me that they think there's something weird going
on that trail because you know, the trees just keep
falling at the same spots.
Speaker 2: Well, that's weird, isn't it. Because if if they're trying
to keep folks out that much, it makes you wonder,
like is that a birthing area? Is that literally you know
where their sofa in their living room is, so to speak, right,
Like that's that's the no zone for people. Yeah, like
y'all have this area, but no over here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was actually on that trail Close trail that
two of the guys at the camp out got a
fifteen and a half inch print cap.
Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, so let's also talk about the Tennessee Wildman
and Encryptid Con and that goes down in mcmnville. Right now,
you have another one coming up in August mid August,
actually this year, don't you August the eighth, Yes, August eighth.
Is that the I was just gonna say, is that
the Okay, so fourth year, I wanna make sure to
link all that as also the books and the Cryptid
camp Now that this Cryptid camp out sounds like, you know,
if people want something that might actually happen, it sounds
like this is the one to go to.
Speaker 3: I can't promise you, right, we had we had really
good activities last time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you guys?
Speaker 7: So?
Speaker 2: Okay, so when you guys go out, and it doesn't
have to be for the camp out, but it could
be either way. But what's it sounds like? Because you've
already kind of hinted that, you know, wood Knox may
not be the best thing to be doing, probably because
we don't know what we're saying to them, uh and
vice versa. What is your what's your mo. When you
guys go out to try to listen of activity, do
you try to elicit activity or you just go out
and you cook and you talk and you laugh and
if they come in, then they come in.
Speaker 3: Mostly, I mean, we used to wood knock a lot
and got We used to get a lot of woodknock responses.
We it's kind of happened half now, whether we do
or not. Like you said, you don't know what you're
doing when you're when you're wood knocking, what they're what
you're saying, or what you're portraying. Uh. But mostly we
just go out there and wait, go out there in
the woods and just see what happens. I think that
that's what happens is if you're out there enough, they
get to they like you said, they get to know you,
and they come in closer to you and see what's
going on. We had We were out there for about
two and a half hours when night on one day
and nothing was happening, which is what most days are.
Most days, by and large, nothing happens. But we were
out there for about two and a half hours this
one day and out of nowhere, out of this bush,
it's about fifty yards away we hear what sounds like
baby babbling, and this is and right as we it
kind of hits us like a baby bab is babbling.
We hear what sounds like this husky feminine voice, say
si saw. And I had no idea what sai sau means,
but it's it genuinely seemed like it was like a
mother's response to a baby babbling. And that's when I
think we made it might hurt just because we were
out there. Maybe one of them brother the little one
in to see us, to look at us, and it
got bored and it started babbling. And she was like
shut up or I don't know what what say you
saw means?
Speaker 2: But whoa Okay that that would be cool to hear.
Is have you ever tried to look up I'm sure
you have, of course, but any other you know, like
h languages.
Speaker 3: I couldn't find anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, if anyone's listening, that happens to be some
kind of uh savant with ancient languages. And you know
what that means. Let us know that is incredible. That also,
you know, you hear baby cries or a baby in
the woods, it ain't no baby, don't go, don't go.
Out there. Have you guys ever tried to call blast anything.
Speaker 3: We did at the camp out. We did quite a
bit of call blasting and we actually got a couple
of responses from it. That's the only time I've ever
been involve call blasting.
Speaker 2: Have you ever tried to blast a baby cry?
Speaker 3: I have not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably ill advised. Have have a another story.
I won't. Everyone's heard it so many times, but yeah, uh,
it can piss them off. Basically, if you played a
baby cry, yeah, they seem to not not like it
so much. And I think it elicits the same response
that you had with seeing the juvenile and you know,
realizing that there's a lot more there there. That's what
this gentleman had happened. He played a baby cry and
he realized it elicited a response in more than likely
a female, and he realized that these are more than
we think they are. So yeah, yeah, interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: Do you ever tent camp out in these locations?
Speaker 3: Yes? Oh yeah, especially the quarry where I had where
I had the bowlder thrown at me. I've camped up there.
I don't know how many zums.
Speaker 2: If you ever had anything come in and close anything
like that, not to my knowledge.
Speaker 3: At the quarry especially, they they seemed to they seem
to use the cliffs on the at the quarry like
almost as a barrier. Like they'll go there and they'll
they'll vocalize and stuff like that and throw, like I said,
throw rocks and at you. But they genuinely seem to
stay up there on the up there, away from you.
But like you know, then again with the other spots
into the campsot and all that, you know, they come,
we know, they come to the cabins. They look in
the cabins. We've we've talked to people that've seen them
looking in the cabins.
Speaker 2: So and they seem they seem very I mean, pretty friendly.
I would say, uh, you know, Gotto, I think even
though it was moving away from him, I understand his
reticence to be going out solo anymore. It wasn't it
wasn't the greatest sighting, but then again, at least it
was going away from him and not spider crawling towards him.
So at least there's that. Well, Randy, if you could
let everybody know whatever socials that you want to plug,
plus the books please, and then of course the camp
Out and the Tennessee wild Man in Crypticon.
Speaker 3: Okay, sure, Tennessee wild Man Cryptic on. You can find
us on Facebook. We had an event rock that goes
live Friday for that. Actually, we got a really really
good lineup this year of OG researchers and new blood researchers,
so we're looking forward to that. The Crypto camp Out
you can also find on Facebook.
Speaker 7: What else?
Speaker 3: Oh, my books, they're available on Amazon, Bear Mountain, Bigfoot,
The Case for Sasquatch on. So they're coming on Plateau.
I actually had to look at my book to remember
the title and Tennessee Pigny Legendary Reality.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, once you get into the subtitles, right,
you're like, what was the subtitle?
Speaker 5: Again?
Speaker 2: I'm the same way. I'm the same way about stuff
like that. Yeah, but I'm so bad because I'll say
something like sasquaddle or something and everyone's like, what the
hell is the sasquaddle on? You know what a sasquatdal is? Well, Rendy,
thank you so much for coming on, and I would
love to have you back on for update shows because
obviously you've got some incredible areas there in Tennessee.
Speaker 3: Thank you real appreciate you having me on, mister Grew.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm sorry, so I was given the slave by
my parents.
Speaker 3: My business.
Speaker 4: I've been out of college, I've done these things as
my professional I'd producing a little bark, but it's says,
forget it, that's not.
Speaker 3: That's some story, that's all gone, that's all pass.
Speaker 7: I honestly them really you who are now when nobody
knows who their names is because we don't know our
selves except to listening to arcas.
Speaker 4: And consulting our memmbers. But then that's a really And
then again it's us best this question.
Speaker 3: What are you?
Speaker 2: That is to mean.
Speaker 4: We shall see how they play with this, except but
by the cons to get you to come out of
your show and find out.
Speaker 5: You really ost it.
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Speaker 3: For example, are quite divided us.
Speaker 4: They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation
that after your funeral you will suddenly become somebody different
living somewhere else. They will say, reincarnation means this that
if you sitting here now, are really convinced.
Speaker 3: That you're the same person the folding at.
Speaker 6: The door half an hour ago you'll be reencomned if.
Speaker 3: You are liberating the alms.
Speaker 5: Now that you're gone.
Speaker 4: The past hasn't been tested, The future doesn't insisted.
Speaker 5: There is only the present.
Speaker 4: That's the only amenia of the is zen Master will
get a space in the spring does not become sumthing.
Speaker 7: First there is suthings and then there is spring.
Speaker 6: It's it's it's, it's, it's it's puss.
Speaker 5: Pus t s isn't.
Speaker 4: That's the same idea where he says, when you've settled
down in the train to read your newspaper, and so
you're not the same person while I live the plan.
If you think you are, you are linking your movements
up in the check. And this is what binds we
were when you know that every moment, would you are
is the only movement? This comes intosa and the last
will say from somebody, I can I have a walk
across the room, and it came back, and he says,
where are your footmen?
Speaker 3: They've gone?
Speaker 4: So where are you?
Speaker 2: Who are you?
Speaker 3: When we are asked who we are, we usually.
Speaker 4: Give a kind of recitation of an instrum string.
Speaker 5: Instr