Speaker 1: July fifth, Look July night Cap. Gary Jeff Walker speaking
Speaker 1: to you from the studios of seven hundred WLW, which
Speaker 1: are located in Kinwood, right outside Cincinnati, Ohio, which, of
Speaker 1: course is located in the greatest country on the face
Speaker 1: of the earth, the Ussay, the United States of America.
Speaker 1: God bless the USA. It's so great to be with
Speaker 1: you tonight on a special nightcap. Let me tell you
Speaker 1: what's coming up directly right after this break. Jerry Dale
Speaker 1: jd as he was called back in the music industry
Speaker 1: where he was very successful, but he found it very
Speaker 1: hollow and it wasn't fulfilling. The fame and the fortune
Speaker 1: weren't enough. Jerry Dale. We'll talk to you about his
Speaker 1: transition from the music industry to porn to finding God
Speaker 1: and Jesus. In fact, the book is called Music Porn
Speaker 1: in Jesus. We'll talk to him. Next, we'll talk to
Speaker 1: people from Veterans Companion Animal Services as they will join
Speaker 1: us to introduce the Cincinnati chapter of that charity organization
Speaker 1: for veterans and companion animals. It gon't be good. John
Speaker 1: Lott will be here to talk about illegal immigrants and
Speaker 1: the crimes they actually commit and what you may have
Speaker 1: understood about the rates of crime among illegals and what
Speaker 1: the conceptions are. The rates of crime among illegals is
Speaker 1: actually higher than people like the Cato Institute and others
Speaker 1: will admit. So John Lott will be joining us next hour,
Speaker 1: and John Gordon, who has a show of his own
Speaker 1: called The Truth About John Gordon and speaking of John's
Speaker 1: mighty John Marsha. We'll be manning the Moneymusic dot Com
Speaker 1: list tonight at eleven o'clock or just a tadbit after,
Speaker 1: so let's get it started. Jerrydale and his story of
Speaker 1: redemption coming up next on a holiday weekend nightcap. Great
Speaker 1: to have you here. We are Saturday night, the fifth
Speaker 1: of July, and I figured one of the ways we
Speaker 1: could send this weekend out with the bang is to
Speaker 1: talk about the most important thing that many of us
Speaker 1: ignore or just I don't know. I don't know why
Speaker 1: we don't pay more attention to the Alpha and Omega
Speaker 1: and the God that created us all But tonight in
Speaker 1: this segment, we're talking to Jerry Dale. And if you're
Speaker 1: not familiar with Jerrydale, he was a big time in
Speaker 1: the music industry, worked with artists like Will Smith, and
Speaker 1: Snoop Dogg. And in twenty fifteen, something turned, something changed,
Speaker 1: and what changed was Jerry Dale. And we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about that as much in depth as he wants
Speaker 1: to get into tonight. Is it kind of a witness
Speaker 1: to Jesus Christ and to talk about where he was
Speaker 1: before and where he is now. He has a new
Speaker 1: book called Music, Porn and Jesus And no, that's not
Speaker 1: the name of a band. That is the name of
Speaker 1: the memoir of Jerry Tale, who reached the heights of
Speaker 1: the music industry, working with the legends, only to find
Speaker 1: himself trapped on the dark side. And many of us,
Speaker 1: including myself, have been there. Jerry, welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: It's great to have you on this special nightcap program.
Speaker 2: All right, thank you, thank you, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: So twenty fifteen. I've got to ask you first what
Speaker 1: had happened prior to that. You had had incredible success
Speaker 1: in the music industry and it led you into the
Speaker 1: adult entertainment business, and suddenly the fame was more fleeting
Speaker 1: that you thought, and the rewards were not what you
Speaker 1: hoped they would be. After living a little bit of
Speaker 1: the high life, what what happens at that point, Was
Speaker 1: there a signature moment, Jerry that you can tell us
Speaker 1: without giving away the book for people.
Speaker 2: No, there wasn't. There wasn't really a signature moment that
Speaker 2: that happened.
Speaker 3: It was really it was over time.
Speaker 2: It just it was God was nudging me, and you'll
Speaker 2: see it in the book where he was nudging me
Speaker 2: and calling me, and I was just kind of just
Speaker 2: rebelling against it, just not answering the call. I mean,
Speaker 2: even so in twenty fifteen when it was was one
Speaker 2: of those times when my life changed and I gave
Speaker 2: my life to Christ. But then you know, as an
Speaker 2: old scripture where they backslid and and I backslid even
Speaker 2: a twenty even right even after that, I would like
Speaker 2: to say that that was it, but it wasn't. And
Speaker 2: I didn't get back into the music or the adult
Speaker 2: but I just wasn't wasn't all the way right with God.
Speaker 2: I was still living in sin and I was just
Speaker 2: doing I wasn't doing that, but I was just doing
Speaker 2: different things. I was consulting with other businesses. And then
Speaker 2: it became about again in twenty twenty one, and in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one and Decembar twenty twenty one is where
Speaker 2: I would I would say, really it was. It was solid.
Speaker 2: From there on, my life has been nothing but living
Speaker 2: for Christ since then, right, No more back and forth.
Speaker 1: Boy, that parallels a lot of what I've been through
Speaker 1: in my life, Jerry. So, I appreciate the fact and
Speaker 1: God works on his own time. He doesn't work on hours.
Speaker 1: And I know people that have had just I mean
Speaker 1: instantaneous magical transformation, spiritual transformation in a moment and they
Speaker 1: never look back. And then there are people like you
Speaker 1: and like me who've been shown the truth and been
Speaker 1: nudged by God and still weren't ready to answer the
Speaker 1: call all the way. So yeah, I get that. Now
Speaker 1: I've got to ask you though about your life prior.
Speaker 1: What was it like being around people like Will Smith
Speaker 1: and Snoop Dogg. I mean, it was probably great at
Speaker 1: the time, right, it.
Speaker 3: Was so so.
Speaker 2: I was in the music industry during the nineties, and
Speaker 2: so to me that was one of the greatest eras
Speaker 2: of music, even though I do like the eighties and
Speaker 2: seventies music. But anyway, you know, those are two different
Speaker 2: people at two different at two different lifestyles, two different
Speaker 2: times of life. Right when you're looking at it. Will
Speaker 2: Smith back then he was more. And most of these
Speaker 2: artists this is in the nineties is when they were
Speaker 2: coming up, they were they weren't as big as they
Speaker 2: are now. They were still dropping their first and second records,
Speaker 2: and so Will was more. I would say, find a
Speaker 2: conservative like Snoop was a little different. He was, he
Speaker 2: was fine, but you know, Snoop was a guy. He
Speaker 2: was he was smoking marijuana and I was smoking with me,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So it was one of
Speaker 2: those things where you know, it was a different, two
Speaker 2: different types of relationships, but genuinely in terms of working
Speaker 2: with them, uh, they were just they were good people
Speaker 2: to work with.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: As I recall the nineties, and I'm willing to confess
Speaker 1: it now because most people know some of my story anyway, Uh,
Speaker 1: the nineties was not only pot but also rife with cocaine,
Speaker 1: and uh, well, I tell you what, that is a
Speaker 1: nowhere drug, for sure, it is, sure it is. How
Speaker 1: do you find faith and redemption in all of this culture?
Speaker 1: I mean, how does that happen? Because I found it
Speaker 1: in my own life, Jerry, that God just won't leave
Speaker 1: me alone. I could tell really that God wants me.
Speaker 2: So I'll tell you that's how you find it. That's
Speaker 2: how you find it in any culture, and especially especially
Speaker 2: in in the in the music industry and in the
Speaker 2: adult industry, you know, because those are some dark industries,
Speaker 2: and God has to call you. God has to pull
Speaker 2: you out of those industries because you know, I'm grateful
Speaker 2: that he didn't let me. Always say, he kept me
Speaker 2: anchored right, so I didn't go so I didn't go
Speaker 2: too far into the water, right, I didn't get too
Speaker 2: deep into it. I mean I was in it, but mentally,
Speaker 2: I said, he kept me with my right mind. He
Speaker 2: kept me where. You know, there were situations where sometimes
Speaker 2: I would be walking into a venue or a club
Speaker 2: that was one way in and one way out, you know.
Speaker 2: And it's situations where there was you know, there was
Speaker 2: sometimes there was a shootout, there was I mean, there's
Speaker 2: just different things. And I look back under seeing how
Speaker 2: you know, God kind of had it. He just had
Speaker 2: his hand over me. And and I'm grateful, and I
Speaker 2: there's times I wish I had answered the call earlier,
Speaker 2: not waited so late. But I am grateful that he
Speaker 2: that he found redemption and I finally answered the call.
Speaker 1: What's wild to me is how God saves you before
Speaker 1: you're even saved. And I think that's kind of what
Speaker 1: you're referring to.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, For.
Speaker 1: Anybody listening who thinks that they're just too far gone
Speaker 1: or they could never get to that point where they're
Speaker 1: ready to turn their life over to Christ, the power
Speaker 1: of second chances is immeasurably important for all of us.
Speaker 3: Right, yes, yes, yes, yes, No one, no one.
Speaker 1: No one's beyond the reach, is what I'm.
Speaker 2: Saying, not at all. No one's beyond the reach as well,
Speaker 2: as long as you're breathing now. Once you whatever, whatever
Speaker 2: whatever state you're in when you die determines I mean,
Speaker 2: where you're going to go. If you die without answering
Speaker 2: the call, you will go to hell. And if you
Speaker 2: answer the call before you die, you will go to heaven.
Speaker 2: So you you have a choice, you know, and and
Speaker 2: it's it's and God will call you, and he will
Speaker 2: He will save you from whatever you're in, whatever you're
Speaker 2: going through, whether it's whether it's pornography, whether it's you know,
Speaker 2: being you've already sold your soul in in the in
Speaker 2: the music industry. I mean, God, God can still call
Speaker 2: you out of that. He can still bring you out
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 3: I have I have.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you a quick story. I have a friend
Speaker 2: that about three years ago. She she's a friend now, well,
Speaker 2: I was trying to uh date her and we we
Speaker 2: just we bumped heads because she was getting into like
Speaker 2: crystals and tear of cards and and shaman and all
Speaker 2: of that kind of stuff. And I was like, totally,
Speaker 2: I'm God right, I'm like, I'm we don't do that.
Speaker 2: So we bumped heads completely, right, And so we never
Speaker 2: did date. And I'll tell you last week she reached
Speaker 2: out to me and she was like, I know you
Speaker 2: probably don't want to talk to me, but I've changed.
Speaker 2: My life has changed. God has saved me. God has
Speaker 2: called me here, redeemed me. And it was it was
Speaker 2: so good to hear just that she got out of
Speaker 2: all of that and she was so deep into it,
Speaker 2: and she she talked about being delivered from demons and
Speaker 2: having those things that she had opened the door. She
Speaker 2: realized that she had opened the doors to those things
Speaker 2: when she was doing the crystals and all that, all
Speaker 2: that all that stuff that goes along with it, and
Speaker 2: so it's just it's one of those things that's just.
Speaker 3: Good to hear.
Speaker 2: Right, it's good to see and it's good to see
Speaker 2: that God redeemed her and she was I mean she
Speaker 2: was in the mix with Satan. I mean, like I
Speaker 2: mean we all are, but you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like she was in the mix with Satan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she she wasn't just being led us Gray, she
Speaker 1: was like volunteering.
Speaker 2: Right right right right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: How do you how do you handle or how did
Speaker 1: you handle pushback from people who didn't understand what had
Speaker 1: happened in your life, your transformation?
Speaker 3: What do you what do you mean?
Speaker 2: Like you know, yes, in terms of.
Speaker 1: How do I mean, how do you deal with people
Speaker 1: who saw Jerry Dale, uh, three weeks ago and see
Speaker 1: him now and go Jerry, what's going on? What's up?
Speaker 2: It's just it's just that conversation of God, God saved me.
Speaker 2: God God.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: The thing is is most people are Christian by default, right,
Speaker 2: So unless you're unless you're Muslim, Hindu, or you know,
Speaker 2: claiming other religion, then you automatic you say you're Christian.
Speaker 2: So then for someone to like me to become Christian
Speaker 2: and back then, even if you had asked me, I
Speaker 2: would have said I was a Christian, but I wasn't
Speaker 2: living like a Christian. So I'm saying that to say
Speaker 2: that there are people who already see that. So when
Speaker 2: they see the real change in me, those that those that,
Speaker 2: those that knew me back then, when they see the
Speaker 2: real change in me, they they're genuinely happy for me.
Speaker 2: I haven't had any anyone at least on the surface
Speaker 2: or in my or you know, face to face or
Speaker 2: on a call or anything like that, where you could
Speaker 2: tell like they were not happy for me, because I think,
Speaker 2: and I think some of that comes from everybody thinks
Speaker 2: they're state or they think they're Christian, anyway they see
Speaker 2: they're not.
Speaker 1: But right, what what inspired you to turn this journey
Speaker 1: into a book?
Speaker 2: There was several things. One one was I didn't want to.
Speaker 2: I was starting to forget some things and I didn't
Speaker 2: want to do that. And then two, I think it
Speaker 2: was just God to just put it on my heart
Speaker 2: to be able to put it out there and put
Speaker 2: my story. Because I lived when I was in those times,
Speaker 2: I lived two different lives.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: It was like I was JD when I was in
Speaker 2: the in the entertainment stuff, and I was Jerry at
Speaker 2: home because I would go. I still took my kids
Speaker 2: to my wife and kids to church when I was married.
Speaker 2: I was married twice. But when I was married, you know,
Speaker 2: we still went to church. We still you know, I
Speaker 2: still claim Jesus, I still claim to be a Christian.
Speaker 2: But yet I was still out here justifying it and
Speaker 2: I'm doing I'm in the adult business. I'm in that.
Speaker 2: So it was one of those things where I was
Speaker 2: so private on sore. It's people who knew me from
Speaker 2: just the entertainment, and there's people who knew me from
Speaker 2: just the church or christian or Christianity, and so it was.
Speaker 2: It was one of those things where it's like I
Speaker 2: felt like God was like, you know what, you need
Speaker 2: to tell your story and you need to tell the redemption,
Speaker 2: and you need to tell how I saved you from
Speaker 2: this and let people know that way you can you
Speaker 2: can lead people or guide someone so that they know
Speaker 2: they're struggling with it, that they know that they're that
Speaker 2: I can save them too. And it's just kind of
Speaker 2: you know, it's just the waal I kept feeling. I
Speaker 2: kept feeling it, and this was this was years. It
Speaker 2: took me years to actually write the book, right. It
Speaker 2: took me a year or two write it, but it
Speaker 2: took me years to be like, Okay, let me go
Speaker 2: ahead and do it well.
Speaker 1: And in the book by the Way again a music
Speaker 1: Born in Jesus, just one of the wildest titles I've
Speaker 1: ever heard of, By the way, how has your understanding
Speaker 1: of what successes and fulfillment changed?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 1: What do you consider being successful now?
Speaker 3: Jerry?
Speaker 2: Being able to do with being able to live and
Speaker 2: do what God has calling me to do for me,
Speaker 2: That's what success is. You know, before I was chasing
Speaker 2: money and it's just kind of living, living in the world,
Speaker 2: and you know, and all the things I had, I mean,
Speaker 2: I've done a lot, had a lot, And then there
Speaker 2: became a time when you start to realize that the
Speaker 2: more money it just allows you to do the same
Speaker 2: thing more times or get bigger. Right Like I got
Speaker 2: a house, I'm good, but more money are allowed, I'll getting
Speaker 2: the point of get in a bigger house. And I
Speaker 2: didn't even stewart my money in a way to where
Speaker 2: I was putting God first, right like I wasn't doing
Speaker 2: things for the kingdom.
Speaker 3: And spreading it.
Speaker 2: Whereas now those things change and and God blesses me
Speaker 2: even more as I put things and I put my
Speaker 2: efforts towards the Kingdom versus at advancing the kingdom versus
Speaker 2: just advancing my own my own priorities or my own
Speaker 2: selfish ways.
Speaker 1: What what advice could you give to somebody who feels
Speaker 1: trapped in a lifestyle that they no longer want to live,
Speaker 1: that they understand it's a nowhere road. And I mean,
Speaker 1: what would Jerry Dale tell them? Anybody listening, you know,
Speaker 1: I would.
Speaker 2: I would just tell you to ask God to lead
Speaker 2: you to someone that will walk alongside you and help
Speaker 2: you come back to him, right, Because sometimes it's hard,
Speaker 2: just it's hard for us to to just go from
Speaker 2: that lifestyle that you're in that you don't want to
Speaker 2: be into just going to God, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: God has to bring you out. But sometimes if you
Speaker 2: could have somebody walk alongside you, because you know, even
Speaker 2: with me, like I said in twenty fifteen, was one
Speaker 2: was one of those times when I changed my life,
Speaker 2: but then I fell back. But then when I when
Speaker 2: I really truly had someone in there back that can
Speaker 2: walk alongside me and be there with me and help
Speaker 2: me and help me be consistent with it with my walk, right,
Speaker 2: and so forth. I needed to be able to build
Speaker 2: up a new and new what's the word I'm looking.
Speaker 2: I mean, I need to build up a new routine,
Speaker 2: I guess, so to speak, and be able to read
Speaker 2: my Bible more builder and have community, have someone that
Speaker 2: was real. You know, I think having someone real in
Speaker 2: your life is always good. At having someone will who
Speaker 2: will help you, who will challenge you, and who will
Speaker 2: be there, and someone who will love you right just
Speaker 2: genuinely just love you unconditionally as God loves you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's that's absolutely, very very key and it's important.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned reading your Bible. This is the thing
Speaker 1: that people don't understand is that if you don't read
Speaker 1: your Bible on a regular basis, uh, and you're not
Speaker 1: you know, constantly in prayer, uh, you can get lost
Speaker 1: pretty quick. Because I mean the Bible is was it
Speaker 1: basic instruction before leaving Earth? Is it's been described.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard the same thing.
Speaker 2: But you know that's you know, you're you're still right,
Speaker 2: because that's what that's what that's why you need someone
Speaker 2: in your life that can be consistent on the walk
Speaker 2: with you because that right there, what you just said
Speaker 2: is is I would say is the key to be
Speaker 2: able to read your read descriptions and read your Bible consistently.
Speaker 2: Because I noticed, and I look back, I noticed that
Speaker 2: I would read my Bible a few days, and then
Speaker 2: when I would go some days without reading it, some
Speaker 2: days without prayer. It's like I've fallen off. I don't
Speaker 2: even realize it until until things get to a situation.
Speaker 3: Where, oh, now this happened.
Speaker 2: Oh you know what. I haven't been praying, I haven't
Speaker 2: been connected with God, I haven't been reading my Bible,
Speaker 2: and so I've been making these decisions that aren't aren't
Speaker 2: like I like I should like I should have made.
Speaker 1: Yeah, are you still doing something with your music?
Speaker 2: The only thing I do with music now, which is
Speaker 2: for me, is I wron It's funny interesting because I
Speaker 2: always thought I would be in the music industry, but
Speaker 2: I'm not. But God does allow me to enjoy music.
Speaker 2: But now I enjoy it by a ballroom dancing.
Speaker 1: Huh. That's great. That's not an answer I expected. That's wonderful. Listen, Jerry,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry we're running out of time tonight, but I
Speaker 1: really appreciate yours and thank you and inspiring story. No
Speaker 1: doubt for anybody who has questions or is it maybe
Speaker 1: a turning point. The book is Music, Porn and Jesus.
Speaker 1: The author is Jerry Dale and it's been my pleasure.
Speaker 2: Sir, Thank you, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: You bet very special fifth of July Nightcap continues in moments.
Speaker 1: It is a special edition of the Nightcap here on
Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW. I've found out about this organization that
Speaker 1: we're featuring in this segment about a week and a half,
Speaker 1: two weeks ago. And when I found out that they
Speaker 1: weren't actually rolling out any information until the fourth of
Speaker 1: July last night, I said, well, I've got a show
Speaker 1: on July fifth. Let's that'd be the perfect thing. I
Speaker 1: didn't let the cat or the dog out of the
Speaker 1: bag too early that way. This is VCASS and we
Speaker 1: have the president and CEO of Vcast. He's based in Columbus.
Speaker 1: His name is Josh Doran. On the line and in
Speaker 1: studio Vickylessandra and Guy Volrath, who has been practicing his
Speaker 1: sexy radio voice for this interview. He said, I'm nervous.
Speaker 1: I said, don't be, and he just laughed. So Josh
Speaker 1: Dorn first and foremost, welcome to seven outter WLW on
Speaker 1: this Saturday night on fourth of July weekend, and if
Speaker 1: you would please give me a description of how this
Speaker 1: started and what VCAST is.
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, thank you for having us.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 6: VAST stands for Veteran Containing Animal Services and we're a
Speaker 6: five to one C three organization and we actually started
Speaker 6: back in twenty thirteen and I'm actually the current CEO,
Speaker 6: not the founder, but the founder was a veterinarian by trade,
Speaker 6: and she just followed the act that these dogs you know,
Speaker 6: have on their owners and their lives and the ability
Speaker 6: to you know, list spirits and just improve the mental
Speaker 6: health of a lot of these owners. And she also
Speaker 6: have a lot of family connection to the military, so
Speaker 6: she decided to kind of put the two together into
Speaker 6: a singular mission and then in twenty eighteen Decantmate its
Speaker 6: first placement. It just increased rescue dog placements from there.
Speaker 6: But to kind of give a full scope of the
Speaker 6: program here, we have about four individual programs for veterans
Speaker 6: and they're all free to the veteran, so no money
Speaker 6: comes out of their pocket. But the first is the
Speaker 6: dog placement program. So the gist of that is basically,
Speaker 6: the veteran comes to us and we learn a lot
Speaker 6: about their lifestyle and their needs, and then we have
Speaker 6: them fill out a survey that kind of shares what
Speaker 6: can and behaviors are looking at for a dog. Because
Speaker 6: we serve any veterans, so we have a lot of
Speaker 6: Vietnam era veterans, and we also serve a lot of
Speaker 6: you know, more recent Iraq and Afghanistian veterans. So you
Speaker 6: can see there's a wide spectrum of Yeah.
Speaker 1: So in other words, in other words, if somebody wanted
Speaker 1: an active dog and they're they're very physically active, you
Speaker 1: find a dog that's that's ready for the challenge and
Speaker 1: is ready to go. If somebody wants a lap dog,
Speaker 1: you'll find them a lap dog.
Speaker 3: I get it, Yes, all right, exactly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so we kind of we kind of look at
Speaker 6: it as sitting two puzzle pieces together. Yeah, but then
Speaker 6: we work through our sheltered partners to find that perfect dog.
Speaker 6: We present the dog. We never force the dog on
Speaker 6: a veteran. You know, they have the right of refusal
Speaker 6: to have the whole program. But if everything looks good,
Speaker 6: we'll actually take that dog from the shelter and put
Speaker 6: them in a foster home so the dog can kind
Speaker 6: of decompress, and it gives us the opportunity to really
Speaker 6: dig into that dog's behavior and temperament in a home
Speaker 6: environment versus the shelter environment. But then once we actually
Speaker 6: make the placement, we will come to the vasion's house,
Speaker 6: we'll bring the dog, have an initial set of supplies
Speaker 6: like you know, create betting bulls, and then for a
Speaker 6: whole year from that placement where you will continue to
Speaker 6: cover all the cops.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Vicky. Vicky was telling me about this and
Speaker 1: I made them. I dragged them up to the studio,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna let them kind of fill in the
Speaker 1: blanks too. Here Vicky, Lissandra is part of this local
Speaker 1: Cincinnati chapter of vcasts And how did how did you
Speaker 1: number one? Vicky? How did you find out about this?
Speaker 3: And?
Speaker 1: Uh, what sparked your interest in?
Speaker 7: Guy was my husband's best friend.
Speaker 8: Okay, my husband passed away a couple of years ago,
Speaker 8: and Guy came to me a couple of months back
Speaker 8: and said, let's do something in Vic's honor. What what
Speaker 8: were his passions? And they were veterans and animals and
Speaker 8: so and that was what Guy's passions were. And so
Speaker 8: we kind of decided this is this is our this
Speaker 8: is what we need to do. Uh looked up what
Speaker 8: kind of places already existed like this, So we weren't
Speaker 8: reinventing the wheel.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 8: Contacted Josh and he said, we've been talking about trying
Speaker 8: to expand we weren't quite ready, you know, thinking we
Speaker 8: weren't ready, but gosh, here's an opportunity.
Speaker 7: So we started talking with them.
Speaker 8: We laid out what we envisioned, they laid out what
Speaker 8: they envision and over the last three months we have
Speaker 8: put this all together and we're we're We've got the
Speaker 8: boots on the ground and we're ready to run with it.
Speaker 1: So guy, what, uh what was your inspiration? Just being
Speaker 1: being Vic's best friend and sure? So again is Vicky said,
Speaker 1: like passion has been. I love dogs, always hid rescue dogs.
Speaker 1: Up until recently he had four dogs. My father's a veteran,
Speaker 1: so I really care about veterans as well. Sure, I'm
Speaker 1: a psych nurse and also now I'm doing like substance
Speaker 1: treatment services. So over my years I've seen work with
Speaker 1: veterans with depression anxiety PTSD and so forth, and I
Speaker 1: believe it's really an underserved population. So again, when Vicky
Speaker 1: and I were talking about this. It was just like
Speaker 1: kind of a perfect marriage to to to help the
Speaker 1: veterans and to place dogs. I love dogs and especially
Speaker 1: shelter dogs.
Speaker 9: So again it was just I think something that Vicky
Speaker 9: and I decided, Okay, this is what we're going to do.
Speaker 9: And like Vicky did a lot of the leg work
Speaker 9: looking for the right program. We actually were going to
Speaker 9: go look at another program when we found d Kiss
Speaker 9: in Columbus and and Vicky reached out to Josh and
Speaker 9: Josh just kind of picked up and ran with it.
Speaker 9: And here we are today. We're just a week away
Speaker 9: from our.
Speaker 1: Our official launch, official launch. Yeah, Josh guy mentioned PTSD
Speaker 1: and depression and the like, but a veteran does not
Speaker 1: have to be have been diagnosed with any of those
Speaker 1: to be eligible for this program, right.
Speaker 6: Well, absolutely, I mean the heart of our program is
Speaker 6: you know, removing barriers and helping veterans. So when a
Speaker 6: veteran comes to us, you know, we don't ask about
Speaker 6: any kind of diagnosis, We don't require any kind of
Speaker 6: you know, financial levels to qualify for the program. As
Speaker 6: long as that veteran has served and they can have
Speaker 6: proof of service, then you know, we welcome in with
Speaker 6: open arms, all.
Speaker 1: Right, And Vicki you were telling me too that along
Speaker 1: with that one year window where VCAST provides, you know,
Speaker 1: everything that the veteran needs to take care of the dog,
Speaker 1: you also require the veterans to go through a seven
Speaker 1: week training course, correct.
Speaker 7: Right, right?
Speaker 8: So we, as Josh mentioned, the dogs come out of
Speaker 8: the shelters and they go into foster families just to decompress,
Speaker 8: so we can kind of really get a good look
Speaker 8: at their behavior and stuff. And once we deem that
Speaker 8: that's a good match for the veteran and the dog
Speaker 8: is then given to the veteran, the veteran has to
Speaker 8: agree to do a seven week, one hour week training
Speaker 8: program where they become the dog's own. The dog knows
Speaker 8: that he's there to serve the.
Speaker 1: Veteran, that he is their human. Yes, And you know what,
Speaker 1: I think anybody who's adopting a dog or getting a
Speaker 1: dog out of a shelter should, especially because they're like
Speaker 1: a box of chocolate cheese, know what you're gonna get?
Speaker 1: That's right, But there's also that factor of as much
Speaker 1: as the dog needs to be trained, the person needs
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 7: Trained, especially if they've not had a dog before.
Speaker 1: So whether you're a veteran or not, whether you're part
Speaker 1: of this program, you know, I would advise anybody who's
Speaker 1: getting a dog to find a good training course.
Speaker 8: And one thing that we do offer too is if
Speaker 8: you are a veteran and you have a dog and
Speaker 8: you did not get the dog through us, you still
Speaker 8: can go through our seven week free training program all that.
Speaker 7: So we offer that to any veteran, whether they've gotten
Speaker 7: the dog through us or not.
Speaker 1: I've been through a dog training program. They're not cheap, yeah, right, right,
Speaker 1: So how are you funding this? I know, Josh you
Speaker 1: mentioned it's a five oh one C three charity and
Speaker 1: are you working purely off of donations or grants or
Speaker 1: how's that work?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: So we are primarily donor funded. We don't get any
Speaker 6: funding from either the said or state government. So really
Speaker 6: we just have an awesome group of supporters who are
Speaker 6: you know, passionate about the mission on both the you know,
Speaker 6: the rest of the dog side and the veteran side,
Speaker 6: and they've you know, generously given you money to support
Speaker 6: the mission and has grown it up to this point
Speaker 6: to where we can actually you know, launch the second chapter.
Speaker 1: How did you determine that this was a way to
Speaker 1: help veterans. And I've seen story after story. There are
Speaker 1: all kinds of charities out there that provide service animals
Speaker 1: or provide dogs just to come visit senior centers and
Speaker 1: the like and schools and kids that are troubled. What
Speaker 1: was the one thing that stood out? I know that
Speaker 1: right now in this country, I think the stat was
Speaker 1: unbelievably shocking where there were at one point twenty three
Speaker 1: veterans a day committing suicide in this country. Uh, guy,
Speaker 1: is that is that like one of the aims? So
Speaker 1: maybe helping in that way, so you would being a
Speaker 1: psych nurse, you you understand the power that a dog
Speaker 1: can bring to someone who's troubled.
Speaker 9: Yeah, no, absolutely, And we just recently went to the
Speaker 9: gala up in Columbus and they had lots of veterans
Speaker 9: that came and spoke exactly to that, Like what a
Speaker 9: difference it's made since they have since they've gotten his dog.
Speaker 9: And it's one of those things that like, you know,
Speaker 9: they didn't they didn't save I didn't save them, They
Speaker 9: saved me sure, And just the power of of the match.
Speaker 9: You know, there's so many mental health and we see
Speaker 9: some mental health and just the power of having that
Speaker 9: loving animal with unconditional love that it makes of the
Speaker 9: veteran in any person, actually, anyone who struggles with depression, loneliness.
Speaker 9: A dog is so well plus plus there. The dogs
Speaker 9: are so reliant on a human being, you know, to
Speaker 9: be cared for, and it gives that person who's caring
Speaker 9: for that dog a sense of purpose, I would imagine,
Speaker 9: and that would be a big thing, right, what kind
Speaker 9: of what kind of dogs? Josh?
Speaker 1: You do you have any dogs of your own?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You actually have too.
Speaker 6: I have a little sixteen pounds loss of two and
Speaker 6: then a golden doodle. So yeah, my I'm you know,
Speaker 6: very passionate about this mission because when I got back
Speaker 6: from Afghanistan, I'm the vester of myself and it was
Speaker 6: it was a hard transition coming back home and you
Speaker 6: know kind of just said you're going through the motions,
Speaker 6: things seem to lose their meaning. You just kind of
Speaker 6: feel alone and isolate. And that's when I got Scrappy,
Speaker 6: the little Lassitude, And you know, he's kind of a
Speaker 6: mixed little guy and wasn't much to him, but you know,
Speaker 6: he was absolutely a lifeline that you know helped pull
Speaker 6: me back from the edge and you know get give
Speaker 6: me back to better days.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 1: Well you're you're more aware of this, more well aware
Speaker 1: of this than I am, since I've never been to
Speaker 1: Afghanistan in service or anywhere else where. You know, I
Speaker 1: possibly would have people shooting at me. But I know
Speaker 1: that this is a huge deal, the transition period that
Speaker 1: you're talking about for a lot of veterans, because it
Speaker 1: never was really talked about before, say, when World War
Speaker 1: Two ended and those veterans came home, a lot of
Speaker 1: them descended into alcoholism. H there weren't programs out there
Speaker 1: for them. Vietnam too, But we've become more aware of
Speaker 1: our veterans and their transitional issues, going from a foreign
Speaker 1: country where they're worried about being shot at or stepping
Speaker 1: on an ied to them just dealing with the traffic
Speaker 1: and crossing a street at a light. So I want
Speaker 1: to commend you for your service and now your service
Speaker 1: to those veterans in doing this with vcas. I think
Speaker 1: it's just marvelous. I'm all in on that and look
Speaker 1: forward to hearing updates on your progress, especially as the
Speaker 1: Cincinnati branch opens up. Now VICKI again, when is that
Speaker 1: going to happen? This is the fifth of July, so
Speaker 1: you have it. You handed me an invitation here for
Speaker 1: the eleventh.
Speaker 8: Right, we're having a launch party where we're gonna Josh
Speaker 8: will be down there talking to people, people who are
Speaker 8: potential donor people from some of the shelters that we
Speaker 8: will be working with. Some people from the VA will
Speaker 8: be at the launch party, and basically we're gonna talk
Speaker 8: to all of them about how we can partner with them. Okay,
Speaker 8: how veterans can get in touch with us to decide that,
Speaker 8: you know, they want a dog and go through the
Speaker 8: steps that it takes to end up with a dog
Speaker 8: that will be their companion for life.
Speaker 1: Well, I want to make a commitment myself personally to
Speaker 1: all three of you, is that whenever you have anything
Speaker 1: coming up, and I'll definitely plug this, especially on my
Speaker 1: Saturday morning show. I'm on Saturday Morning every week on
Speaker 1: seven hundred here from five point thirty to nine, and
Speaker 1: I'll just I'll make it my mission to let people
Speaker 1: know what's going on with vcast from this point forward
Speaker 1: and how they can help and about events that you're having.
Speaker 1: I noticed or Dirves guy, are are they going to
Speaker 1: be all milk bones.
Speaker 9: When you say that, because actually Vicky bought some dog
Speaker 9: bowls that we're going to have some snacks that in.
Speaker 1: But no, won't be all milk bones. So you'll have
Speaker 1: human orders.
Speaker 3: We will have.
Speaker 1: Human orders and human desserts.
Speaker 9: And you're even going to have a patriotic drink.
Speaker 10: A patriotic drink red white and blue, red white, blue
Speaker 10: colors in there you go to alcoholic and non alcoholic.
Speaker 10: But yeah, there will be something for everyone.
Speaker 1: Fireworks put on by the Cincinnati Reds.
Speaker 5: We're not.
Speaker 8: They just happened to be having a fireworks show.
Speaker 1: That you do the same thing at Italian Fest in Newport. Right,
Speaker 1: the fireworks are put on by the Cincinnati I wanted.
Speaker 8: To acknowledge we didn't put them on. They did, but okay,
Speaker 8: they haven't promoted that for us.
Speaker 1: Well, Josh, I'm going to have Vicky stay in touch
Speaker 1: via email and let everybody else know. This is seven
Speaker 1: to nine pm next Friday on July eleventh, and whar
Speaker 1: is this being held again?
Speaker 8: That's going to be at the Ascent. Okay, but people
Speaker 8: would to rs VP all right, our VKS email.
Speaker 11: And that email is again it should be on the
Speaker 11: bottom since I and C I at v charity charity
Speaker 11: dot org.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so you you need to respond as
Speaker 1: quickly as possible. Thanks to Josh Dorin, Vickylessandra, and Guy
Speaker 1: Vollrath v cast opening up for veterans and for dogs
Speaker 1: here in Cincinnati next Friday night with the rollout party
Speaker 1: and very very soon those services rolling out to veterans
Speaker 1: here in the Tri state area. Thank you, Josh, thank you, Vicky,
Speaker 1: thank you, Guy, thank you, thank you, and and I
Speaker 1: look forward to you feeding me more information so I
Speaker 1: can let everybody know what's going on. All right. Special
Speaker 1: night Cap continues in moments on seven hundred WLW and
Speaker 1: Houra number two, a number of power on his Saturday
Speaker 1: Night on seven hundred WLWDJ Doves and John Lutt coming
Speaker 1: up in just a few minutes from the Crime Research
Speaker 1: Prevention Center in Washington, DC or just outside of Washington,
Speaker 1: d C. And also John Gordon. There was a survey done.
Speaker 1: You may have seen a Gallop poll just this past
Speaker 1: week that showed only thirty six percent of Democrats asked
Speaker 1: we're proud or extremely proud or proud at all of
Speaker 1: this country, which I just find mind blowing. If that's true.
Speaker 1: We'll discuss that and more as we continue a quick
Speaker 1: break and then on with things John Lott coming up netxt.
Speaker 1: It is a special nightcap here leading up to fourth
Speaker 1: July weekend. The holidays upon us and the crime is
Speaker 1: upon us, and we all was we always want to
Speaker 1: reach out to somebody like our next guest when we're
Speaker 1: talking about real crime stats and data as opposed to
Speaker 1: what is being fed by other media outlets or organizations
Speaker 1: like for example, CATO, which will be primary focus of
Speaker 1: our conversation night with doctor John Lott, who is the
Speaker 1: head of the Crime Prevention Research Center, and you can
Speaker 1: find them at Crimeresearch dot Org. I just did again
Speaker 1: so I know you can do it. And John Lott,
Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. It's been a while, but
Speaker 1: it's always great to have you on. You have great
Speaker 1: information and this recent editorial or op ed you posted
Speaker 1: in the Washington Times we want to focus on in
Speaker 1: this conversation tonight and that the headline from Crimeresearch dot
Speaker 1: Org is CATO again pushes false claim the illegal aliens
Speaker 1: commit crime at a low right rate based on survey
Speaker 1: data that ignores a lot of criminal illegals that never
Speaker 1: serve time in prisons or serve shortened sentences, and it
Speaker 1: requires those illegals to self identify as illegal aliens in
Speaker 1: this country. There has been a lot of progress, I believe,
Speaker 1: made in the first six months of President Trump's administration
Speaker 1: in coordination with the DHS and ICE, which are coming
Speaker 1: under constant attacks by people who apparently don't care that
Speaker 1: people who are not citizens of our country are coming
Speaker 1: into our country, first illegally and then committing heinous acts
Speaker 1: from murder to rape, to child abuse, to human trafficking
Speaker 1: to drug and sex trafficking. Doctor Lott, how are you.
Speaker 3: Doing great? Thanks having me, I appreciate it.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean it's quite a change. I mean, during
Speaker 12: the Buying administration, we had record percentage increases in violent crime.
Speaker 3: We only have the data.
Speaker 12: Through twenty twenty three, the first three years, but we
Speaker 12: had a fifty five percent increase in violent crime during
Speaker 12: his first three years, according to the Bureau of Justice statistics.
Speaker 12: And that's quite a contrast to comments recently made by Cashptel,
Speaker 12: the new director for the FBI, where he was saying
Speaker 12: that we're on track right now for the lowest murder
Speaker 12: rate ever in the United States, there's never been a
Speaker 12: murder rate. I mean, at least for the first five months.
Speaker 12: If it continues at this pace, we'll have the lowest
Speaker 12: murder rate ever recorded in US history. And I think
Speaker 12: there are multiple reasons for that. Law enforcement changes have
Speaker 12: made a difference, but I also think during the Biden
Speaker 12: administration we had this huge influx of illegal aliens that
Speaker 12: had occurred, and now under Trump, we're deporting criminal illegal aliens,
Speaker 12: ones who have committed crimes. But it's more than that,
Speaker 12: more than just taking away the criminals, it's also the
Speaker 12: ones who are who aren't being caught yet have an
Speaker 12: incentive to lie low because if they get caught now
Speaker 12: under Trump, they're going to get deported. And one way
Speaker 12: to keep themselves from not getting on police radar, because
Speaker 12: as soon as the police arrests them they'll be deported,
Speaker 12: is not to commit crimes right now. They'll help keep
Speaker 12: them off of police radar. So we've had this big
Speaker 12: change that are that's occurred there.
Speaker 1: Whether you're whether you're whether you are a a Dennis
Speaker 1: and or a supporter or believer of Milton Friedman, the
Speaker 1: famed economist, or not. He argued that open immigration only
Speaker 1: works if a country doesn't have a large welfare system.
Speaker 1: And boy, what do we have here in the United States?
Speaker 1: All kinds of things that are supposed to be safety
Speaker 1: nets that are actually welfare, a lot of free stuff
Speaker 1: that's not free given to other people, and those people
Speaker 1: from out of our country who are not citizens of
Speaker 1: the country. We also have this argument this past week,
Speaker 1: John about all these different states. There are twenty three
Speaker 1: states in our country that offer free in state tuition
Speaker 1: to people who are not citizens of this country. And
Speaker 1: a lot of people are not familiar with that. But
Speaker 1: back to the crime rates, how do they juice the
Speaker 1: crime rates? How do they escape detection? I notice from
Speaker 1: your web page here undocumented immigrants are often deported directly
Speaker 1: from prison before completing their sentences. So how does that
Speaker 1: affect the data?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 12: So, what Cato has used is something called the American
Speaker 12: Community Survey, which is a massive survey. They serve about
Speaker 12: three point five million people each year. They survey people
Speaker 12: who are in prison as well as people are outside
Speaker 12: of prison. They ask the individuals, are you an illegal alien?
Speaker 12: So they ask them to self identify for that voluntarily,
Speaker 12: and then they go and they say, well, there's a
Speaker 12: certain percentage of illegal aliens in prison according to the survey,
Speaker 12: and there's a certain percentage outside. And so they go
Speaker 12: and they see then whether illegal aliens are kind of
Speaker 12: over represented in prison compared to their share of the population.
Speaker 12: The problem is, I mean, you bring up one of
Speaker 12: the problems sits there. Let's say you have two criminals
Speaker 12: who committed robbery. They get caught both from face the
Speaker 12: same four year sentence, ones an illegal alien and ones
Speaker 12: an American citizen.
Speaker 3: Well, if they.
Speaker 12: Both serve out the whole four year sentence, you know
Speaker 12: you're likely to go and that could be a somewhat
Speaker 12: useful measure for their shares of the prison population. But
Speaker 12: what happens is is that illegals who are in prison
Speaker 12: will often be deported well before the end of their sentence.
Speaker 12: They may be deported after three months or maybe six
Speaker 12: months of the four years that they'd be serving there.
Speaker 12: And so what's going to happen is is that illegal
Speaker 12: aliens will be kind of underrepresented in the prison system
Speaker 12: as compared to their share of crimes being committed. And
Speaker 12: of course, and of course you have lots of illegal
Speaker 12: aliens who I mean, they're not supposed to be in
Speaker 12: the country to begin with, simply when they get arrested,
Speaker 12: before they get even go to trial though many times
Speaker 12: be deported, or even when they once they've been convicted,
Speaker 12: even before they get to prison, they'll be deported at
Speaker 12: that point. And so you have lots of these crimes
Speaker 12: committed by illegals that aren't going to show up in
Speaker 12: their share of the prison population. But the other big
Speaker 12: problem that you have is that we're relying on these
Speaker 12: people to voluntarily say that they're illegal.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 12: I know they're told they're not going to tell law
Speaker 12: enforcement that any of the answers that they give to
Speaker 12: these questions, but if you're in many states like California
Speaker 12: and New York and Illinois and many others, will never
Speaker 12: even ask. It's against state law to even ask the
Speaker 12: criminals whether they're illegals or not. And many states, even
Speaker 12: though they're allowed to, won't ask. And so the thing is,
Speaker 12: if illegal, you may assure them, we're not going to
Speaker 12: go and tell law enforcement. We're not going to go
Speaker 12: and tell the Feds that you're illegal. But if you
Speaker 12: have two people, an illegal outside of prison, illegal in prison,
Speaker 12: both of them may not want to own up to
Speaker 12: whether they're illegally in the country. So you imagine there's
Speaker 12: a little bit more of a risk for an illegal
Speaker 12: imprison to do that, at least in his mind, even
Speaker 12: if you even if you tell him you're not going
Speaker 12: to go and tell Ice about it, simply because he's
Speaker 12: easy to catch at that point and easy and he's
Speaker 12: obviously somebody who should be deported clearly if he has
Speaker 12: a criminal record. And so the illegals in prison may
Speaker 12: be slightly less willing than the illegals outside of prison
Speaker 12: to kind of.
Speaker 3: Own up to the fact that they're here illegally.
Speaker 1: Well, we've seen what happens in sanctuary cities and sanctuary
Speaker 1: states with the new crackdown on immigration in this country,
Speaker 1: right and just recent stuff had the last week had
Speaker 1: the primary in New York City for mayor, and Zoron Mandani,
Speaker 1: who simply came out of nowhere is talking about defunding
Speaker 1: the police or eliminating the New York City to Police department,
Speaker 1: or has in the past and has insisted on continuing
Speaker 1: that sanctuary status for illegals. You can only guess at
Speaker 1: what his motives are unless it's just political speak to
Speaker 1: try and reach that segment of our population that believes
Speaker 1: that no one should be illegal in this country. But
Speaker 1: if this happens, I mean, Eric Adams finally kind of
Speaker 1: saw the light and started again cracking down on crime
Speaker 1: in our biggest city. And Mandani wants to undo anything
Speaker 1: that Adams has done and send the Big Apple into
Speaker 1: what many people say will be a spiral that it
Speaker 1: may never recover from from the crime there that will
Speaker 1: ensue because of eliminated or defanged police departments. At your
Speaker 1: thoughts on any of that, right.
Speaker 12: Well, I mean, in the past, surely he's made comments
Speaker 12: saying that he wants to defund the police department. He's
Speaker 12: made comments about wanting to get rid of the prison
Speaker 12: system in the state. I don't know what, I guess
Speaker 12: just let people go all the time.
Speaker 3: You know, these.
Speaker 12: Discussions aren't rocket science. If you want to reduce crime,
Speaker 12: you have to make it riskier for criminals to go
Speaker 12: and commit crime. Higher rest rates, higher conviction rates, longer
Speaker 12: prison sentences all matter in terms of deterring crime. Also
Speaker 12: letting individuals defend themselves. He also wants to ban all guns.
Speaker 12: So if you make it so it's not risky, either
Speaker 12: through law enforcement or in terms of people being able
Speaker 12: to go and defend themselves. You know, it seems like
Speaker 12: a recipe for more crime. You know, you have these
Speaker 12: sanctuary cities and states which serve as magnets for illegals
Speaker 12: to go there because they believe that they'll be safer.
Speaker 12: Obviously it would be less likely to be deported. You know,
Speaker 12: if we have like twenty one million illegals who came
Speaker 12: in during the Biden administration, you're talking about the equivalent
Speaker 12: of essentially thirty congressional districts. And you can understand why.
Speaker 12: I mean, that's a big difference. Could you imagine if
Speaker 12: you had anything close to, you know, thirty more seats
Speaker 12: for Democrats in Congress. You know what difference that that makes.
Speaker 12: Could you imagine how much easier it would be to
Speaker 12: get the reconciliation bill through and get cuts if rather
Speaker 12: than you know, a three seat majority, they had a
Speaker 12: thirty three seat majority for the Republicans.
Speaker 3: That were there. So you know why they why.
Speaker 12: You know, because you look at this and you say, okay,
Speaker 12: even if you want to keep illegals, why do you
Speaker 12: want to keep these guys who are child rapists or
Speaker 12: murders or others that are there. Why do you just
Speaker 12: release them back into society, uh, you know, and hope
Speaker 12: maybe they show up for a court dat at some
Speaker 12: later time. When they won't show up, Why do you
Speaker 12: want to have these people around?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, the census.
Speaker 12: Counts illegals for congressional redistricting and for government money, federal
Speaker 12: government money, just as much as if they were a
Speaker 12: US citizen.
Speaker 3: So that's maybe one.
Speaker 12: Thing that's going on and maybe helps explain why people
Speaker 12: like himself have the views that they do on with
Speaker 12: regard to illegal aliens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the crime thing just baffles me. As you said,
Speaker 1: it's not rocket science to figure out if you fang
Speaker 1: or get rid of the police, and then you don't
Speaker 1: have prisons, and then you don't have the right and
Speaker 1: the ability to defend yourself, guess what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: President Trump was roundly mocked when he first started talking
Speaker 1: about illegals in this country for insisting that other countries
Speaker 1: or these foreign nationals, they weren't bringing the best and
Speaker 1: the brightest into here, and they were bringing people who
Speaker 1: were released from prison. And we know that happened in
Speaker 1: places like Venezuela and other places from around the world.
Speaker 1: Where these people came in unvetted during the Biden administration.
Speaker 3: We know that the administration advented. Yeah, you know about
Speaker 3: last September.
Speaker 12: Finally, after many reputed requests from Congress, ICE came out
Speaker 12: and said, look, of the seven point four million so
Speaker 12: called non detained individuals that they had released into the country, uh,
Speaker 12: six and sixty three thousand of them had criminal records. Yes,
Speaker 12: and that's clearly an underestimate. I mean you mentioned Venezuela
Speaker 12: for example. Venezuela would not go and provide information on
Speaker 12: the criminal backgrounds for their citizens who were legal aliens
Speaker 12: in the country, and there's a number of other countries
Speaker 12: that would not provide that information. So we have no
Speaker 12: idea about a lot of those. Also, the seven point
Speaker 12: four million so called non detained individuals who were released
Speaker 12: into the country, these were virtually all individuals who voluntarily
Speaker 12: turned themselves in at the border.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 12: You know, it's bad enough that you have six hundred
Speaker 12: and sixty three thousand of them that we've identified as criminals,
Speaker 12: But the ones who are most likely to be problematic
Speaker 12: are the ones who didn't turn themselves in at the border,
Speaker 12: who were willing to pass up the twenty five hundred
Speaker 12: dollars you know, debit card that they were given, prepaid
Speaker 12: debit card that they were given the Biden administration, and
Speaker 12: all the other benefits that they were getting.
Speaker 3: You know, the over two millions.
Speaker 12: So called guideaways that we saw coming across but we
Speaker 12: didn't catch, or the many millions more that we never
Speaker 12: even saw coming across the border, because you know, seventy
Speaker 12: six percent of the border agents were pulled off of
Speaker 12: guarding the border and instead were being used to process
Speaker 12: the flood of illegals, or the fact that about a
Speaker 12: third of the passive monitoring equipment, the cameras and other
Speaker 12: things were broken during the Biden administration. They had not
Speaker 12: spent effort to go and try to fix them. So
Speaker 12: there are large portions of the border that we had
Speaker 12: no eyes on it. Also, we have no idea how
Speaker 12: many more. But those are the ones. Those are the
Speaker 12: ones who didn't voluntarily turn themselves in in order to
Speaker 12: get the benefits from voluntarily turning themselves in, who presumably
Speaker 12: had by far the worst criminal records.
Speaker 1: We are seeing a lot of voluntary self deportations since
Speaker 1: President Trump has taken office, and just real quickly with
Speaker 1: about a minute left, John Lott, what are any comments
Speaker 1: on Alligator Alcatraz, which is opening this week in Florida.
Speaker 1: We need more detention beds so they can have their
Speaker 1: due process before they're sent back to their home countries
Speaker 1: or a third country as a Supreme Court denoted as
Speaker 1: the Trump administration and ICE continue to go after the
Speaker 1: worst of the worst of those illegals. Any comments on
Speaker 1: Alligator Alcatraz.
Speaker 12: Well, as you said, we have to have someplace in
Speaker 12: order to put them. You know, they had this large
Speaker 12: area that had been an airfield in the Everglades, and
Speaker 12: you know it's relative and the state of Florida has
Speaker 12: gone and as DeSantis seems to be a great manager
Speaker 12: and able to do, was able to set that up
Speaker 12: for the federal government at you know, quickly and relatively
Speaker 12: low cost. So I mean the fact that they're letting
Speaker 12: the federal government go and use that is you know,
Speaker 12: save taxpayers money.
Speaker 1: Yep, absolutely, John Lott from the Crime Prevention Research Center
Speaker 1: crimeresearch dot org, if you would like to find out more,
Speaker 1: and I certainly appreciate your time tonight, Doctor.
Speaker 12: Low, Well, thank you, thank you for being there.
Speaker 1: You bet you all was am until they tell me
Speaker 1: not to show up again. We continue with this special
Speaker 1: Fourth of July weekend nightcap in just a few hang on.
Speaker 1: It is a special edition holiday week get fourth of
Speaker 1: July Red White, and Blue Spectacular. Here a special nightcap
Speaker 1: on seven hundred WLW as we continue this evening. I
Speaker 1: saw this pull out earlier this week, and I thought,
Speaker 1: who better to talk to you about this than John Gordon,
Speaker 1: the host of The Truth with John Gordon, a syndicated
Speaker 1: radio program, and also a guy who was an endorsed
Speaker 1: candidate by President Trump for a Georgia Attorney general back
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. You never know what his political
Speaker 1: ambitions are. He'll break some big news tonight on the show.
Speaker 1: Maybe you won't. I don't know either way, John Gordon,
Speaker 1: It's great to have you on the show again. It's
Speaker 1: been a while, but happy Fourth of July weekend man.
Speaker 13: Thank you.
Speaker 5: I'm saying to you and your listeners. You know I
Speaker 5: went to Ohio Wesleyan to undergraduate school, and I used
Speaker 5: to listen to WLW, and it is an iconic station
Speaker 5: covering the Midwest.
Speaker 3: It's clear channel, isn't I Yes?
Speaker 1: Owned by iHeartMedia, which, oddly enough, it used to be
Speaker 1: owned by a company called Clear Channel, but a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, technically power wise, it was one of the
Speaker 1: first Clear Channel AM stations in the country.
Speaker 5: Starting back exactly, I was referring to the wattage, not
Speaker 5: the owner.
Speaker 1: Show right exactly. No, I knew what you were going for. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And there were issues. Originally it was at seven ten
Speaker 1: back in the thirties, and they when it went to
Speaker 1: fifty thousand wants they had to move it for another
Speaker 1: station somewhere it was interfering with, and they put it
Speaker 1: at seven hundred. And there was nobody else within earshot
Speaker 1: of the contiguous forty eight anyway that was operating at
Speaker 1: seven hundred kilocycles, So we had it to ourselves and
Speaker 1: the station still tonight as an example, especially after sundown tonight,
Speaker 1: we could be heard possibly in thirty eight states and
Speaker 1: in Puerto Rico at points depending on the atmospheric conditions,
Speaker 1: which is just wild considering urinecensei naty Ohio being heard
Speaker 1: in Puerto Rico and for a number of years in
Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties prior to World War Two, the station
Speaker 1: was authorized at five hundred thousand watts, which meant that
Speaker 1: people near the tower were picking it up in their
Speaker 1: milk jugs and on their teeth, on their fillings, and
Speaker 1: on wrought iron fences and in their toilets, and halfway
Speaker 1: around the world. Seven hundred WLW was reaching out from
Speaker 1: America to Europe and foreign countries, which is pretty amazing
Speaker 1: for a station that's not a short wave station. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I never lose track of the site of the thought, John,
Speaker 1: that I am on one of the biggest landmark AM
Speaker 1: radio stations ever to exist in this country.
Speaker 5: And well, that is a true statement. What an honor
Speaker 5: and to you, and what a privilege for you to
Speaker 5: be able to hold the all the place on that
Speaker 5: iconic station.
Speaker 1: Well, it's an awful responsibility and I don't know if
Speaker 1: my shoulders can always handle that load, but we do fine.
Speaker 1: We do the best we can with what we got.
Speaker 1: So it's fourth of July. The countdown has begun, John Gordon,
Speaker 1: to America's two hundred and fiftieth year of existence. You
Speaker 1: know that the clock is running now and next July fourth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, I'm expecting an incredible celebration, especially with
Speaker 1: this particular president in office. There are people who aren't
Speaker 1: expecting very much. In fact, there are people in this
Speaker 1: country right now who didn't want to celebrate this weekend,
Speaker 1: who didn't want to shoot off fireworks, who didn't want
Speaker 1: to be a part of this great experiment as a
Speaker 1: constitutional republic, and many of those people identify themselves as Democrats.
Speaker 1: There was a Gallup poll out earlier this week, and
Speaker 1: I know you saw it. That's why we're talking tonight. Primarily,
Speaker 1: this said only thirty six percent of Democrats were either
Speaker 1: very proud or somewhat proud of their country only thirty
Speaker 1: six percent, so just over one in three. And the
Speaker 1: difference between people who registered or identified as Democrats and
Speaker 1: those who were Republicans there was a fifty six point
Speaker 1: swath in between. And I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that just doesn't bode well for the country, which
Speaker 1: I think it's harmful for American patriotic pride and the like,
Speaker 1: especially on a weekend like this, but I think it
Speaker 1: says more about the state and the mindset of people
Speaker 1: who identify as Democrats. What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 4: Well, I think that if you look at the challenges
Speaker 4: that we've had at the southern border, this is to me,
Speaker 4: you know, the glass is either half full or it
Speaker 4: is half empty.
Speaker 5: To me, I internalize that, Gosh, they're an awful lot
Speaker 5: of people who want to live here. There must be
Speaker 5: a compelling reason, and it has been a social experiment
Speaker 5: that started two hundred and fifty years ago that has
Speaker 5: survived the test of time, and it is grounded on
Speaker 5: having freedom. Freed of your choice of religion, freedom of speech,
Speaker 5: freedom of association. Freedoms of other countries do not afford
Speaker 5: their citizens. So why anyone would want to live here
Speaker 5: and be critical of America as a nation is bewildering
Speaker 5: to me, and I.
Speaker 13: Get the sense that it is a reflection of just
Speaker 13: a general lack oftitude. I get down on my hands
Speaker 13: and knees every day and I thank God for the
Speaker 13: family that I have, the family my parents, and the
Speaker 13: country that I've had the fortune to good.
Speaker 5: Fortune to live in amen for seventy two years now,
Speaker 5: all the opportunity that it has afforded me. So it
Speaker 5: is not a perfect place. There is work that remains
Speaker 5: to be done, but we have come.
Speaker 3: So far well since I was a child.
Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about standing the test of time.
Speaker 1: In the trials and tribulations, we had a civil war
Speaker 1: that split the country in half, pitting brother against brother
Speaker 1: at some point, and we're able to come back together
Speaker 1: and keep this grand experiment in human government going. But
Speaker 1: the fact that here it's got to be something to
Speaker 1: do with just the anti Trump sentiment that's out there
Speaker 1: and prevalent among Democrats or people who identify as Democrats,
Speaker 1: because during Joe Biden's administration, with all the frailties of
Speaker 1: that administration, with all of the harm that it caused,
Speaker 1: with the open unvetted border, with the inflation, with everything else,
Speaker 1: with a commander in chief who were learning more and
Speaker 1: more every day, simply wasn't there. He was just a
Speaker 1: puppet for powers unknown. And still at that point during
Speaker 1: the Biden administration, eighty five percent of Republicans still identified
Speaker 1: as being very proud or proud of this country eighty
Speaker 1: five percent during the Biden administration. And I think it
Speaker 1: says a great deal about the other party because just
Speaker 1: because they're they're their banner keeper, isn't the head of
Speaker 1: the country as and just because they're in the minority
Speaker 1: right now in Congress, they're not proud of the country.
Speaker 1: What did Michelle Obama famously say she was never proud
Speaker 1: of America until her husband became president. That is a
Speaker 1: Democrat mindset, isn't it.
Speaker 5: Well, I don't know that it reflects entirely the Democratic Party.
Speaker 3: I think that.
Speaker 5: I frequently say that I think the fringe elements of
Speaker 5: each party do great harm to us as a country
Speaker 5: because they're loud, they're vocal, and they're extreme. And the
Speaker 5: Republicans have an element in our party of that as well.
Speaker 3: And so I think that, you know.
Speaker 5: I'm a salesman. I'm optimistic, encourage people to be happy
Speaker 5: and joyful, and I think the country could be live
Speaker 5: up to those aspirations if we just all agreed that
Speaker 5: we're going to love our country, as imperfect as it
Speaker 5: may be from time to time. And I think that's
Speaker 5: the way to most effectively create change. You know, Polarizing
Speaker 5: people's accomplishes very little other than maybe furthering the political
Speaker 5: ambitions of the people.
Speaker 3: That try to do that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think that I think that's very sad.
Speaker 5: As much as I dislike him, I feel sorry for
Speaker 5: them that that's their their their mindset, state, the state
Speaker 5: of mind, because for one thing, it's not going to work.
Speaker 5: I mean, you can try it, and it can be effective.
Speaker 5: You can get a platform and notoriety for it, but
Speaker 5: long term it is not going to work. Good always
Speaker 5: triumphs over evil. And that's my perception.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No, I concur with you absolutely. I just
Speaker 1: see I see constantly the divisions of the violence that
Speaker 1: uh that one side has met with the other. I
Speaker 1: don't see a whole lot of right wing fringe people
Speaker 1: setting cars on fire or storming federal buildings because they
Speaker 1: disagree with a policy. I see more people who again
Speaker 1: identify as Democrats, whether they are you know, representative of
Speaker 1: the majority of that party. I see them putting putting
Speaker 1: law enforcement at risk. I see them starting these protests
Speaker 1: that are not mostly peaceful. I don't see a whole
Speaker 1: lot of that on the right.
Speaker 5: And and well, no, there's I don't I don't see.
Speaker 3: Any of it on the right. I agree with you.
Speaker 5: I'm not I'm not comparing the bad people on the
Speaker 5: left right to the whacked people on the right. I'm
Speaker 5: just saying that, you know, that's the difference. And and
Speaker 5: there's a small number of people that are are are
Speaker 5: crazed on the right. Yes, I think ir relatively small
Speaker 5: number of people who would want who would be willing
Speaker 5: to commit violence on the left, and so I just
Speaker 5: think it's good to keep it somewhat in perspective as
Speaker 5: we look at these things. But the rallying cry has
Speaker 5: always been, virtually my entire life has been love of God.
Speaker 3: Family and country.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I just don't see.
Speaker 3: A problem with that value system. I really don't.
Speaker 5: And your family is never perfect, your country is not
Speaker 5: going to be perfect.
Speaker 3: The only perfect in.
Speaker 5: The in the creation was God, the Savior and his
Speaker 5: son who came here.
Speaker 3: Two thousand years ago to save us from our sin.
Speaker 1: I always say, John Gordon, there are only two constants
Speaker 1: in this life. One is God and one has change.
Speaker 1: And the difference between the two is that God never changes.
Speaker 1: He is steadfast, He always loves us all no matter
Speaker 1: how we intentify politically. I don't think he really cares
Speaker 1: much about that. And you're right, love of God, family
Speaker 1: and country is foremost in a large majority of Americans minds.
Speaker 1: But this poll of about thirty six only thirty six
Speaker 1: percent of Democrats are proud or somewhat proud of this
Speaker 1: great country is kind of telling of the times. For
Speaker 1: one reason or another.
Speaker 5: That is, that is a staggering number. And I just
Speaker 5: don't get it. I hope that's not what's in their heart.
Speaker 5: I hope it is some sort of a reaction to
Speaker 5: the politics of the day that they that's how they
Speaker 5: internalize it.
Speaker 3: But you just can't stop.
Speaker 1: Loving the country that you live in.
Speaker 5: And if that's really the case, find someplace else to live. Amen,
Speaker 5: How would you remake the greatest country on earth? If
Speaker 5: you were king for a day and you had that mindset,
Speaker 5: what would you change about it?
Speaker 3: I mean the amazing thing to me.
Speaker 5: And I had a lunch with the head of an
Speaker 5: organization called fire. I wish I could remember what the
Speaker 5: acronym stands for, but it's basically a five oh one
Speaker 5: C three that defends freedom of speech.
Speaker 1: And my.
Speaker 5: Statement to him was that if you accept the premise
Speaker 5: that oxygen is.
Speaker 3: The breath of life, I think you've.
Speaker 5: Got to accept the premise that freedom of speech is
Speaker 5: the breath of democracy. So why would anyone in their
Speaker 5: right mind ever want to deprive someone else of their
Speaker 5: freedom of speech? Because the natural following is that you're going.
Speaker 3: To lose your freedom of speech. Sure it is, and
Speaker 3: so it works both ways.
Speaker 5: And a lot of these policies are just insanity and
Speaker 5: communism has never worked. You can't find a place on
Speaker 5: earth that it has worked. And even countries that profess
Speaker 5: to be communists strictly adhere to communist doctor doctrine by
Speaker 5: their words, like the CCP are.
Speaker 3: Moving to a capitalist state.
Speaker 5: The young people in China are tremendously disaffected and do
Speaker 5: not like Chairman She, and Chairman She has lost the
Speaker 5: confidence of his military. There is a supposition that he
Speaker 5: may be on his way out, if he's not already.
Speaker 5: And I think that it will be a good thing
Speaker 5: that we'll find a more moderate form of leadership that
Speaker 5: will want to have allowed China to live in a
Speaker 5: global society, because they sure as I aren't doing it,
Speaker 5: can't do it under the pretenses that they're currently operating.
Speaker 1: Well as you, as you just so eloquently mentioned, is
Speaker 1: President She the problem or is communism the problem? The
Speaker 1: problem is communism and the CCP uh. And it would
Speaker 1: be probably even more helpful if there was no such
Speaker 1: thing as a Chinese Communist Party or it ceased to
Speaker 1: exist anymore, and they could find some other form of government.
Speaker 3: I could not agree more.
Speaker 5: And I think that there's a big faction, a growing
Speaker 5: faction in China that feels the same way.
Speaker 3: And you know, we look at.
Speaker 5: Things that happened in this country and we become very alarmed.
Speaker 5: And President Trump really helped shape my thinking on this
Speaker 5: just this past weekend when he interviewed with Maria Bartiromo
Speaker 5: on Sunday Morning Futures.
Speaker 1: I saw it.
Speaker 5: But she was talking about the bad things that China
Speaker 5: does in this country, and I, Maria Bartiomo and I
Speaker 5: are perfectly aligned. And as she was ticking them off,
Speaker 5: I was like, uh huh uh huh, Amen, you tell it, sister, yes, right,
Speaker 5: And then President Trump looked at her and he said,
Speaker 5: from Maria, you don't think we're not doing those things
Speaker 5: in China, And it really gave me pause. And when
Speaker 5: you think about the American the amount of American influence
Speaker 5: in China, it has got to be overwhelming to the
Speaker 5: communist hard liners because we got Delta Airlines in Coca
Speaker 5: Cola and Tesla and JP Morgan Chase and just keep
Speaker 5: going down the line of these iconic companies that are
Speaker 5: engaged in capitalism inside of China. Now, they got to
Speaker 5: play by the CCP's rules, but it has to have
Speaker 5: a profound influence on the trajectory, long term trajectory of
Speaker 5: that country and where they end up.
Speaker 1: Well, So from your from your lips, John Gordon, to
Speaker 1: God's ears and to the ears of anybody who believes
Speaker 1: in freedom. I got to close out. Unfortunately, I enjoyed
Speaker 1: our time. I wish it was longer. But Happy Birthday America,
Speaker 1: from one American to another. And you know what, no
Speaker 1: matter what else anybody else thinks or feels or doesn't
Speaker 1: feel about this country, you and I agree that it's
Speaker 1: a fantastic place to live, and we're so proud and
Speaker 1: glad that we were born here.
Speaker 5: Work to make it better. Fight appropriately, yeah, to keep
Speaker 5: our freedoms and make it better. But don't hate on
Speaker 5: the country than where you live and who have given
Speaker 5: you all the opportunities and freedoms that we all enjoy today.
Speaker 1: You can hear more John Gordon on the Truth with
Speaker 1: John Gordon on radio stations all across the country. Thank you, John,
Speaker 1: take care.
Speaker 12: My pleasure, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Happy four, Happy fourth, Mighty John Marshall coming up to
Speaker 1: close us out. Fixed