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Don't be bashful now. One of the things that we

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talked a couple of weeks ago, we were talking about allergies,

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and we were discussing all the different allergens, whether they

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be Pollin's or which we called inhaled allergies, or atopy fleas,

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biggie food allergies. We talked about how all of these

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seem to manifest by skin problems as well as a

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lot of the household allergens like tobacco, like kpok, like

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wool feathers. Actually, we see dogs that are allergic to cats.

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So there's so many different allergens out there, and the

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challenge has always been a relieving the itch, the discomfort,

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the inflammation, but also to try to diagnose if we can,

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what the pet is allergic to them. As we discussed

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remember with food allergies, it's so difficult to try to

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find out what our pets are allergic to and have

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to go through a major major types of food elimination

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trials to try to identify what they're allergic to. Well,

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one of the big arenas here in Deny medicine is

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certainly when it comes to allergy, is allergy testing and

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allergy treatments, and so much has changed over the years. Now.

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If any of you, as did I had allergies as kids,

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we would at these scratch tests, would they would We

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did go to the allergist and they would take our

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arm or on our back and make all these little scratches,

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and they would put in drops of the anagen into

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each little scratch and ject them in and watch for

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the reaction. And of course if we were allergic to

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that which they would inject into our skin, the reaction

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was huge, and if we didn't react, then the assumption

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was we're just not allergic to them. Well, things have

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changed a lot. When I started practicing a few years ago,

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I don't want to admit to how many we only

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did scratch testing. And we didn't even do it. Your

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veterinarian had to send you to a board certified veterinary dermatologist,

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a specialist to do the scratch testing. I mean, there's

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some bets general practitioners that if they did a lot

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of testing, they could do it. But there was a

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lot of what we call subjectivity. Two people can look

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at the same scratch and decide, well, is that a

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three or is that a four? So it's very important

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to know that there are alternatives now that are fantastic.

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And I have a special guest today in the studio studio.

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It's called the speaker Ready room here at the conference.

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Pam Use works with ACT it's ACTT and they specialize

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in allergy testing, diagnosing, and treatment. And the way we

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treat now is basically, as we call the band aid effect.

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We are going to use antibiotics to control the secondary infection.

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We are going to use some sort of immunomodulat or aminosuppressive,

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whether it's cyclosporing, whether it's pregnance owned some sort of

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cordico steroid. But there are better ways. Those ways are great.

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If you have like an incident and it came up

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out of the blue, it's not really been a problem.

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Your doctor's going to certainly want to treat it that way,

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most likely the first time. And if we get a response,

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that's great. But what happens when you have to go

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back again and again and again. These meds are not

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that great for our pets. So with that I introduced Pam.

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We're going to zoom pan in. Hey Pam, good.

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Speaker 3: Morning morning, Doctor Weber. Thank you so much for having us.

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And you know, you're right that allergies are such a

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chronic problem for so many pets and pet owners. And

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one of the tricks the tricky parts about allergies is

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that every pets allergies a different They're allergic to different things,

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so there's not one easy fix or a template that

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we can follow for every patient, and so that's part

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of the difficulty. And then, as you mentioned, they're allergic

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to so many different things that we want to keep

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them comfortable and treat those symptoms, but we have to

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get to the root of the problem and identify those

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specific allergens that they're allergic to. And you're right that

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you know one way we could do this is to

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do the skin test that you refer to, and that

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requires shaving the pet and esthetizing the pet, and that's

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an effective way to identify those allergens, but there are

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other methods.

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Speaker 2: Now, yeah, one of the things I want to talk

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about also with this scratch testing, which by the way,

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still might be considered the industry standard. But if you

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have a dog or a cat who is currently on

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treatment because of their severe allergies and they're miserable and

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they need help, you cannot do the test if they're

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on the medication. In fact, they have to sometimes with

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depending on how much corticostereo they're on, they might have

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to have a period of three or four weeks off

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of the medication in order to do the test, and

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for some of the antibotics and anti histamines it's a

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shorter period. But so you can imagine while you're waiting

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to be able to do the test, the skin test,

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the skin test, your pet can be miserable, so there

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is something new out there and pan which is going well,

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that's right.

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Speaker 3: That's the beauty of the serum test is that we

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can give them those symptom medications to keep them comfortable.

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We can have the veterinarian draw blood and send it

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to the laboratory and we can be testing it during

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that time to identify what they're allergic to and to

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be preparing their treatment. And so that is one of

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the nice advantages to the serum test. And then the

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other thing about the serum test two is that any

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veterinarian can draw blood and send the serum two to

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our laboratory for this kind of testing. So any of

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the pet owners out there can go to your veterinarian

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and ask to have this kind of test. So what

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we're wanting to do is to make it easy for

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the pet owner and easy for the veterinarian to find

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these answers to what is my pet allergic to? Because

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that's the foundation in the first step to developing a

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successful treatment program.

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Speaker 2: Now, how many different categories and how many different things

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can are dog typically allergic to?

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Speaker 3: We test over one hundred different allergens. There's weeds, trees, grasses.

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Those are the common pollens, the things that humans are

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allergic to, but also molds and mites. Mites are often

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found storage mites in their pet foods, and then they

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can be allergic to things like indoor allergens like carpet fibers.

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There's an allergen called kpoc and that's the stuffing that's

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found in pets toys and in their bedding, and so

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they carry these toys around in their mouths. Oftentimes they

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chew and tear up their bedding, but they can be

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allergic to that fiber. So it's so important to try

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and figure out what those things are so that we

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can either avoid them or begin to desensitize them with

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immunotherapy and treat them so that they can build tolerance

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to those allergens and get control of those symptoms.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: One of the things also that's interesting is that many

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of the allergens are avoidable, and if we can remove

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them from the environment, then obviously that's a great way

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to do it. But in order to know what to remove,

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we have to test and make the identifications. Now, for

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those of you that are still smoking cigarettes, maybe for

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those dogs, I'm going to make sure your dog's allergic tobacco.

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So that's one great way that you're gonna stop smoking.

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But you know, some of the things like the toys

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or wool, I mean, when it's pollen's betting feathers, there's

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only so much you can do. You're not going to

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just put your dog in a bubble. So the diagnosis

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is extremely important.

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Speaker 3: So it's important and we can treat to those things.

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Those are things that we can include in their treatment set.

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So that eventually they'll be able to tolerate those things.

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You don't have to get rid of your cat, you know,

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and so we can make them comfortable. And I think

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it's just important that we help educate pet owners to

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know this, and it's not something that is just common sense,

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you know. We have to educate people to know that

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this is possible.

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Speaker 2: So once diagnoses are made, and then it doesn't end there.

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I mean, certainly there are some things that you could avoid.

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So if you know what that is, then you obviously

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try to get rid of them or do what you can.

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many things that we're allergic to, many things that our

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pets are allergic to, are unavoidable. We're not going to

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put them in a plastic bubble. We're not going to

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get rid of everything in our home. We're not going

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to take everything that's wool and lift up everything, the

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carpeting or whatever it may be. So realistically, now, the

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goal is we can either continually treat the symptoms. We

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can treat the redness, we can treat the itching, we

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can treat the secondary infection, but that of course involves drugs.

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Some of the drugs we don't really like to use

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long term, for example, the cortico steroids. So the more,

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if you will, naturopathic natural approach is, let's try to

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build up the pets immunity specifically to those things that

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they're allergic to, those items, those chemicals, those and allergens,

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environmental allergens, household allergens, et cetera. So, PAM, how do

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we go about that?

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Speaker 3: That's right, Well, there's immunotherapy. It's referred to it a

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couple of different ways, immunotherapy or you'll sometimes hear it referred

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to as desensitization. And that's what we're trying to do,

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is desensitize the PET to that specific allergen. And it's

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we have it available in two forms. Initially and historically

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we have had allergy shots, and I think many of

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us recognize that because we've ourselves had allergy shots or

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our children have had allergy shots, and it's a very

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effective form of imminetotherapy. But most recently there's a new

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modality that's been introduced and it's allergy drops. It's a

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sublingual I know, that's a big word that means under

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the tongue, a sublingual modality, and it's a drop every

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day or twice a day under the tongue to build

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up that pet's community. And so that's been a wonderful

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alternative because you know, very often pet owners are not

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comfortable administering injections to their pet, and so this has

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been a very popular and effective form of treatment, and

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it's equally as successful and desensitizing that pet and bringing relief.

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Speaker 2: Now when we give shots, first of all, I know

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you know personally, yes, when I was a kid, I

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did have allergy shots. In fact, when I was a kid,

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I tested positive ready for this guys for dogs, cats, horses, sheep, goats,

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cows and to top it off, hey, so you can

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imagine me going through venerary school where especially large downal rotations, right, horse,

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goa sheeps and hey, yeah, I was quite the reckon.

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In fact, anybody who ever needed a tissue a Cleane's

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knew all they had to do was find Jeff and

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I had a backpack full of them. But the truth

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is a lot of you I know, do not like

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to give shots. So I have clients when it came

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to the injections would actually come in and we would

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give the shots for them in the clinic h but

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early on in the course of treatment, as you're building

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up the important that building up their own immunity, you're

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giving shots every other day. And you know true, once

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you hit a maintenance, which could take a few months,

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then you might get to the point of giving injections

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every four weeks three to four weeks five. It do

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all depends on the dog. I mean, the truth matter

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is there's so much individuality and the need is often

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to make adjustments based on your pet. And the adjustments

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are in the amount of extract allergen you're going to

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inject and the time in between the injections. So it's

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true though that with this new modality of drops. In fact,

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was talking all about the sublingual drops and how effective

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they are. I guess if there is a there's no

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such thing as free lunch guys come on. So with

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the good has to come a little bad, and that

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and then two times a day for probably the rest

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to the pat's life. Now it's easy, I mean, certainly

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you get up every morning, and you're gonna brush your teeth,

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and you're gonna get up, and you're gonna take your vitamins,

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whatever you do, you're gonna drink your coffee. So we're

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certain we get used to routine and we don't think

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about it anymore. It's just you do it because it's routine.

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a drop under a dog's tongue and make it routine,

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but it's still something you have to be aware of

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at the beginning.

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Speaker 3: And that's true. But there you know, many of us

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have pets that require other medications twice a day.

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Speaker 2: I know I have to.

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Speaker 3: My dog has pain relief that she needs twice a day,

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so we're already giving her medication. And so I think

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there are many of us that that becomes part of

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our routine. And so you know, when we're deciding which

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kind of treatment we want to take into consideration our

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lifestyle and can we follow on everyday modality and the

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temperament of the pet. Some pets and pet owners don't

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have problems with injections. They both work, and so it's

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just nice that we have two options now for that,

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and the nice thing about the drops is it's actually

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pretty easy. It doesn't have to go under the tongue,

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it can go inside the gum line by the teeth.

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The nozzle. It's a very easy little metered pump, so

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it's just one pump, so it's very doable. The drops

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are actually manufactured in glycerin, so they're sweet, so palatability

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and taste is not a problem. So it's been very,

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very popular and very successful, and you know, it's just

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really nice to have another option for treating our pets.

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Speaker 2: We want to help them absolutely. We have to take

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a quick break in but you just mentioned something and

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I want to talk about when we get back, and

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that is how many other medications we are currently giving

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our animals, which then will also can dictate what else

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we can give and why it's important if we can

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to get to the basis of our pets allergies and

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not continually just cover them up with other medications. And

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with that we'll be right back in about a Thanks

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for joining us here on Asterbats with doctor Jeff here

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on pet Life Radio. And if you have questions about

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allergy about your pet skin problems, now is the time

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Speaker 2: Allergies and I have a special guest, Pam Hughes from

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ACT Allergy, and you know it's amazing. Before the break,

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we were discussing the importance of trying to desensitize, treat

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the source instead of continually covering up our canine and

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feline allergies with medications. And you know, one of the

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things that I think you should know that allergies are, interestingly,

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just as some people inherited. And you know, my dad

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had allergies, and I knew I was going to have

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allergies and I did, so it's no different dogs, that's right.

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Speaker 3: They're an inherited trade. And we actually even know that

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there are certain breeds that are predisposed to allergies. For example,

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many of the terrier breeds, anything with a terrier in

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it is probably predisposed to allergies. That includes boxers, but

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also retrievers, Golden retrievers, oh terrible are common.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and you mentioned terriers. I have a fan.

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But you know, a lot of the terriers interestingly are

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hypo allergenic to us. Let's say, for example, the wheat

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software to wheatn terrier. Everybody talks about them is if

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you have a child with allergies, get a wheaten. The

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funny thing is, even though they are hypoallergenic to us,

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they themselves are one of the most allergic breeds I see.

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the Terrible Terrible Caring Terriers. Toto, Poor Toto. Toto was

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covered analogies. If you look real closely when you're not

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next time we watch the movie, you're gonna see so

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the keys are that there are certain breads and something

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is very important, and you mentioned with your own dog.

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the Goldens the boxers. But there's another problem that we

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are continually treating in our large breeds, and that's arthritis.

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are using to treat the arthritis in our large breeds

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are the n sets, which are the non steroidal anti inflammatories,

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whether it's moloxicam, whether it's carprofin, whatever. But the issue

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is when your dogs are on these non stroidl antin inflammatories,

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you do not want to use. Your steroidal anti inflammatoris

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your prednis owne, for example, to treat their skin problems.

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the arthritis with the one, then it's sort of obviously

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you can't use that. You don't want to use. It's

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not really that safe to use the steroid lantine inflammatories

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to treat the skin, so on these dogs, it's even

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more important to do what we can to avoid the

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need for these medications for the steroids. And that's why

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I think this allergy testing is so important. Now. I

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think it's also important to note that the testing and

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the desensitization is now the fact that we can use

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serum allergy testing desensitization as simple as something drops that

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you can put under your dog's tongue or inside the mouth.

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There's really at this point no excuse, in my opinion,

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not to have your allergic pets tested. And if your

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veterinarians aren't doing it, you should look into it. Talk

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to them about it. You can tell them you heard

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it here by doctor Jeff himself. Here on ask the

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best of doctor Jeff and they can call me. They

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can email me at doctor Jeff at pet Life Radio

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just the same, because I have been doing allergy testing

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for my patients for a long time and I absolutely

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seek results. Now. Are the results one hundred percent? Absolutely not?

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and sensitivity of the test. Let's go to the test first. Well.

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Speaker 3: And actually the best way to know if the test

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is accurate is if the treatment is responding. And so

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we see seventy five to eighty percent of the patients

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that respond favorably to treatment, and what that means is

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that their symptoms are greatly reduced, their comfort level, they're

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itching and scratching, it's reduced visits to the veterinarian for

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ear infections or skin conditions and the things that are

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the symptoms of the allergy. So when a pet owner

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is administering immunotherapy and really staying with the program eighty

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percent of the time, they can see dramatic improvement. And

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one of the things that we talk about that's really

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important is the team work. The importance of teamwork and

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treating allergies because, as we said, every patient is different,

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so every patient responds differently and needs may need tweaking

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an adjustment to their treatment. So it's important for the

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veterinarian and the pet owner to work together to find

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that sweet spot that's that right formulation and that right

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amount of treatment for that pet and the communication that

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if the treatment is not working, we want to maybe

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administer treatment a little more frequently, or maybe they need

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a stronger concentration. So it's just important to work with

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your veterinarian and stay in communication and watch your pet

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closely and to get them over the hump and get

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them feeling better.

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Speaker 2: And you know, one of the things that you just

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mentioned that a lot of slips, a lot of our

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minds as veterinarians even and that is the ear problem.

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You look at your Golden retriever, you look at your

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Labrador retriever as do. I have two of them, and

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we see a lot of ear infections. Well, interestingly, they

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can have their only symptom of allergy might be continuous

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ear infections. They're persistent, they respond to treatment, but then

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they come back. And it's important to note that that

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can be allergies. It could be either food allergies and

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it could be inhaled allergies. So a lot of dogs,

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you know, if you remember when we talked about these

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different allergies a while ago, we were discussing the overlap

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that there are certain parts of the body that just

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typically are involved in analogy. For example, if the most

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of the lesions of scabs the sowords are in the

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lower back, you gotta think, please please number one. If

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it's inside on the belly, or inside the thighs or

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the back of the thighs. You want to think out

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of the air inhaled allergies, but then you get to

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things like ears and face and rubbing. A lot of

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these could be food or inhaled allergies, so it's not

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fool proof. And therefore, if you have persistent if your dog,

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especially if you're a large breed, is having persistent problems

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with the ears, or your terriers persistent ear infections, and

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as they said, that might be the only symptom. Very

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possibly we're looking at analergies. So instead of just going

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back to the vet and getting more ear cleaning and

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more medication, and it's usually going to be steroid, why

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don't you think about having your pets allergy tested and

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actually get to the source of the problem.

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Speaker 3: And that's right, because so often, you know, when we

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have these breeds and maybe they swim and their ears

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are wet, and we think, oh, they have an ear

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infection because they've been swimming. We didn't clean their ears properly,

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and as pet owners, we feel like we're not doing

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a good enough job, you know, taking care of their ears,

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when really the problem is allergy. And it doesn't matter

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how much cleaning and so forth that we do, We're

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not going to be able to really resolve that ear

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issue unless we're unless we're desensitizing them. And so that's

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really important. And not everybody knows that the ears could

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be an allergy symptom.

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Speaker 2: And you know, one thing that we have to you know,

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drive the point home if you have allergic pets, there

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is a solution. It's not one hundred percent, but then

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nothing is hundred percent. What we don't want to do

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is continually give our pets steroids of steroids as steroids

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or the cyclosporine. Is it okay? Short term? Yes, we

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have to make these pets comfortable. But if you see

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that this is good becoming a chronic problem, there are

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better ways, safer ways for your pets, and you know

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it'll make them much more comfortable and there's nothing worse.

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I mean, I see these dogs that with chronic allergies

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and they're coming in. Their skin is dry, it's flaky,

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sometimes it's greasy and oily. They smell. You know, my

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dogs can be better with me. I don't know how

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that you know you can have a dog that uncomfortable

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and not want to get to the root of the problem.

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And it's something that really nowadays is so easy to do.

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There are a number of companies out there for information.

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They can either go to my side doctor Jeffordoctorjeff dot com.

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You can also log onto a CTT allergy that's actllergy

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dot com with a lot of information. And if your

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veterinarian hasn't discussed this with you, you should discuss it

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with your veterinarian. There are easy ways. There are treatment

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kits that you could receive take to your veterinarian even

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and they can draw the blood. And by the way,

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let's talk cost effective for a second. The testing, as

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with anything any lab work, full panel off something can

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be expensive. But in a long haul, besides the safety

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factor to your pet, you will end up spending less. Well,

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that's right, then you will if you continually treat the symptoms.

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Speaker 3: That's right, because you know with the symptoms, you know,

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there's like we just talked about that there's this what

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we call a cumulative effect where at first it might

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be their ears and so all these earsh products and

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then they may have skin you know, flare ups or

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hotspots and so it requires antibiotics and topicals and special bats,

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and so it just starts to build up and build

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up the expense and to mention just the discomfort for

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the pet and for the pet owners. And so with immunotherapy,

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this can alleviate all the need for all of those

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extra expenses. And you know it's per month cost. It

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would be far less expensive than all of these other

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products you buyd that's great.

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Speaker 2: Well, I want to thank you for joining us and

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educating a little bit about allergy. Now you know there

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is a solution, I think, a better solution to treating

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our pets with chronic allergies, making them more comfortable, letting

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them share your bed with you as they should and

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or I should say, actually sharing your bed with them.

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My dog's beds are too small for me to fit in,

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but my bed's plenty big enough for them anyway. I

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once again thank our sponsors, pro Sense Pet Products and

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cong and anyone who if you want to send me

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an email about allergy, you too. I will read it

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next week and we will send you out a free

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pro Sense product and a contoy just for having the

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courage the guts to reach us here and ask the

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bets with doctor Jeff here in pet Life Radio, and

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we will I want to thank you, I once again

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thank Mark went into our producer and we will see

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you here next week nine am West Pacific time zone,

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noon Eastern time zone and anywhere in between the penny

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where you live. See you next week.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Let's Talk pets every week on demand only on petlife

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