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<v Speaker 1>I had heard about this, and when I seen it,

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<v Speaker 1>I obviously I wonder if anybody did the foya. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think they did, so I did the FOYA. This

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<v Speaker 1>is weird because these two incident reports, but they're like

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<v Speaker 1>at least six nine one one calls on each incident report.

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<v Speaker 1>People were seeing these multiple monkeys in the area. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>read you this report here. It's actually into the book

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<v Speaker 1>and it basically says that to ac from Mike King

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<v Speaker 1>from the Department of Agriculture, requesting call from someone that

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<v Speaker 1>could give him more information regarding the monkey situation. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the news reports that happened, this woman was talking

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<v Speaker 1>about how she had seen these things. They were taller

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<v Speaker 1>than her garbage can or as tall as her garbage can,

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<v Speaker 1>and had really long swinging arms. She didn't describe seeing

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<v Speaker 1>a tailor or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name is Matt and joining

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<v Speaker 2>me is Eric. You may remember him from episode one

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seven where we were talking about the legend of

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<v Speaker 2>Harryman Road and a few other things. Well, Eric's back

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<v Speaker 2>because one of the things that we kind of jumped

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<v Speaker 2>into on that episode was Eric digging around in old

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<v Speaker 2>archives utilizing a little thing called the Freedom of Information

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<v Speaker 2>Act to obtain records of possible Bigfoot reports. And Eric,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you've kind of made that your bread and butter,

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<v Speaker 2>haven't you.

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<v Speaker 1>I've really focused on that. Yeah, in these last two

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<v Speaker 1>three years, I kind of jumped into the whole bigfoot

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<v Speaker 1>community with just an open mind, looking at different things.

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<v Speaker 1>And I had seen that no one had really been

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<v Speaker 1>utilizing the four yer request freedom of Information Act request

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<v Speaker 1>on a federal or a state level. So my background

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<v Speaker 1>is in public information, so I knew how to do

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<v Speaker 1>a four yer request from doing other foyas, and I

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<v Speaker 1>started submitting some foyas for different things I had heard

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<v Speaker 1>about pertaining to the subject of Bigfoot or any type

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<v Speaker 1>of unidentified bipedal creatures, any weird type of police reports,

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that news that I could hear about. And

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<v Speaker 1>to my shock, I actually got quite a few responses

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<v Speaker 1>from these different requests from all over the country, and

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<v Speaker 1>the majority of those are going to be found in

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<v Speaker 1>the book that I just released. It's called Bigfoot The

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<v Speaker 1>Redacted Truth, and it really goes into just my hunt

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<v Speaker 1>over the last three three and a half years doing

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<v Speaker 1>these full year quests and just the information in here

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<v Speaker 1>is just kind of wild that nobody's really seen this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff before on a federal and again on a state level.

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<v Speaker 1>You just kind of you hear about different stories in

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<v Speaker 1>anecdotal evidence, and that's all great and stuff, but I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of wanted to lead into if there was any

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<v Speaker 1>far data that we could actually measure, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>I got lucky with doing these fo yeas because yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go over some of this stuff and it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of speaks for itself, and if we want to

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<v Speaker 1>go into what we could even say there might be

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<v Speaker 1>some type of a cover up angle here. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go out and full full blown says it's a

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<v Speaker 1>cover up, it's an intended cover up. But just going

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<v Speaker 1>over the data, some of this stuff is just weird.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of things missing cases that were never finished,

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<v Speaker 1>animals that remain unaccounted for. That with you know, our

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<v Speaker 1>technology nowadays, with drones, dogs, we should be finding whatever

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<v Speaker 1>these things are that the people are reporting. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to go over some of that with you

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<v Speaker 1>if you're down for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Lat Yeah, of course. I mean this is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like my thing. This is the sort of thing that

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<v Speaker 2>really gets my juices flow and whenever it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff, and it seems like your angle is something

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<v Speaker 2>that would be a no brainer, that would have already

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<v Speaker 2>been done. But like you're saying, I've been around for

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty decent amount of time now and I was

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<v Speaker 2>fortunate enough to hook up with some people that have

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<v Speaker 2>been around a lot longer than me, and before you,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't recall anybody ever really trying to approach it

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<v Speaker 2>from this angle and find the paper trail, because we

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<v Speaker 2>always hear stories about nine to one one calls, and

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<v Speaker 2>we've heard the recordings and stuff, and we've heard about people,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, making different reports, but you've actually had some

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<v Speaker 2>pretty decent luck with obtaining actual records and copies of

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<v Speaker 2>things where people did report this stuff and it did

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<v Speaker 2>get put on record to some extent, and there was

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<v Speaker 2>some investigations going on. So what's the story, man? Where

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<v Speaker 2>is all this stuff going? Because, like you're saying, these

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<v Speaker 2>investigations oftentimes seem to be open ended, or they just

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<v Speaker 2>drop the case, or what do you think happened?

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<v Speaker 1>That's a really good question. I mean, it almost seems

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<v Speaker 1>like it's a it's an effort to kind of drop

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<v Speaker 1>this cases, like it's it's they were kind of just told, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>give this step or whatever. It's odd. I mean, and

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned before, not really that many people have been

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<v Speaker 1>doing this, and that's kind of a shame because we've

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<v Speaker 1>lost a lot of information that we could have received

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<v Speaker 1>from certain incidents if we were able to get it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in on time or you know, within the

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<v Speaker 1>timeframe that some of this stuff takes place, because unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>I've learned that a lot of these nine to one

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<v Speaker 1>one calls these agencies stayed in federal they'll only hold

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<v Speaker 1>these calls for like thirty sixty ninety days, so after that,

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<v Speaker 1>there you're rased and it's gone from the record. Nobody

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<v Speaker 1>ever hears from it. A lot of times there's not

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<v Speaker 1>even a transcript for these calls, which is a shame.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean, I'll just go over probably the

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<v Speaker 1>one that I think is one of the more interesting ones.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we've kind of touched base on it the

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<v Speaker 1>last time I was here, But to me, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>super interesting because I believe it's the only ever bigfoot

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<v Speaker 1>sighting to ever take place documented in a National park,

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<v Speaker 1>and it actually took place in Dino National Park in Colorado,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was in twenty twenty really strength circumstances, and

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<v Speaker 1>I had the Foyer request. It's in the book, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to read you a portion of this.

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<v Speaker 1>It comes from the Department of Interior, that's the parent

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<v Speaker 1>department of the National Park Service, And I mean everything

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<v Speaker 1>was just pretty much redacted. And here the officer's name

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<v Speaker 1>is redacted, the report author is redacted. We should have

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<v Speaker 1>that information. We should have his badge number or the

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<v Speaker 1>badge number is not even redacted. It's just not a list.

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<v Speaker 1>So all that stuff just kind of seems really shady

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<v Speaker 1>off the bat. And then we have in glaring letters

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<v Speaker 1>at the very top. I've never seen this another four

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<v Speaker 1>year request before. It says, please note as astris astris,

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<v Speaker 1>this incident contains information that has not been approved by

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<v Speaker 1>a supervisor. So right there, you're telling me, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on here. Something seems off, And yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>have the incident number here, we know it took place.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just read you the summer report. It basically says

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<v Speaker 1>that mickfoot hunter's flocking to Yampa Bench Road report bone

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<v Speaker 1>piles near road and bigfoot siding near Cleopatra's couch. Bone

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<v Speaker 1>piles may be related to poaching, possible od camping along

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<v Speaker 1>bench road, Unprepared visitors visiting area in the winter may

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<v Speaker 1>result in increased risk of search and rescue. And it

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<v Speaker 1>basically just says Cleopatrick's couch the area. So there we

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<v Speaker 1>have it. This is the only I believe incident report

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<v Speaker 1>from the National Park Service that contains the word big foot.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen any other one produced, and we should

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<v Speaker 1>have so much more information here. Unfortunately, all we have

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<v Speaker 1>is that incident summary report, which that makes no sense.

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<v Speaker 1>We should have at least three or four pages here.

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<v Speaker 1>Every other FOI I've received, you have no very little reactions,

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<v Speaker 1>definitely not from the officer or the report author. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is just a puzzle in itself. Why did all

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff happen? Why was there no further, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>investigation taking place? And I think I figured out what

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<v Speaker 1>it was. That's because they had sent me after I

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<v Speaker 1>got the four your request, I did like a an

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<v Speaker 1>exemption for it, like a filed an appeal. And what

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<v Speaker 1>I got back was even weirder from from the original,

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<v Speaker 1>from the original investigation report. And I'll just read you

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<v Speaker 1>what they kind of told me. They were basically saying

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<v Speaker 1>that the only reason there is an incident summary report

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<v Speaker 1>not a full record was because this is verbatim here,

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<v Speaker 1>the ranger who completed the case report was medically incapacitated

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<v Speaker 1>at the time and did not have the ability to

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<v Speaker 1>conduct a thorough report and follow up.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>So, I mean, yeah, if that doesn't sound fishy, then

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what does we have that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they use the medically thing medically incapacitated because

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<v Speaker 1>it falls under a hippa exemption, right, And once it's

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<v Speaker 1>under a hip hop it's you can't get anything out

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<v Speaker 1>of that. It's exempt from any type of search. So

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<v Speaker 1>something weird happened in Dino National Park in twenty twenty people,

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<v Speaker 1>multiple people reported a bigfoot sighting, and they don't go

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<v Speaker 1>out to investigate, like.

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<v Speaker 2>They reported piles of bones exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, if it were a bear or a cougar, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure they would have been out there in a heartbeat, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they would have rushed out there.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean national parks like they It just seems

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<v Speaker 2>to me that they would one def investigate any claims

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<v Speaker 2>about people stumbling across piles of bones in a national park.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And two it also seems rather odd that they would

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<v Speaker 2>specifically mention bigfoot hunters exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the other thing is that we don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how this was reported. We don't know if it was

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<v Speaker 1>a phone call, we don't know if it was an email,

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<v Speaker 1>if it was a face to face interaction. We have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea how this report came to be, and we

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<v Speaker 1>should that should be in there, but that's been withheld

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<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason. So on top of that, it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>what the heck's going on here? And I've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>this before. Some people have speculated that could the ranger

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<v Speaker 1>himself been the one to make the report and was

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<v Speaker 1>medically incapacitated after seeing whatever this thing was. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting when you think about it. But again, we

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<v Speaker 1>should have a lot more information about this than we do,

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<v Speaker 1>and is that by design. It kind of makes you wonder,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, are we is this a you know, an

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<v Speaker 1>effort that's being done too, I don't know, make people

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<v Speaker 1>feel safe out there. It's just weird. It's really weird.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're passingated off as like something that's not

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<v Speaker 2>even that big of a deal. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>the report got kicked up to the Department of Interior

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<v Speaker 2>and the information was redacted for some reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, Yeah, exactly, And I mean the bones were were mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>So did they identify the bones? What's the deal with that?

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't mention anything about that. You think they would

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<v Speaker 1>want to go and figure out who those bones belonged to,

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<v Speaker 1>an animal, person, whatever. So this case kind of just

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<v Speaker 1>well Bigfoot was involved, seeing that, I don't know, something happened,

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<v Speaker 1>something was triggered, and that's all the information would ended

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<v Speaker 1>up getting out of it, which which kind of sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>But there is a record of at least something happening.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've been trying to find the alleged big foot

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<v Speaker 1>hunters that were out there, you know, for a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years now, no luck. So if anybody knows about

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<v Speaker 1>people hunting out there in twenty twenty December of twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty an Dino National Park, please reach out to me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's a story there.

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<v Speaker 2>Are Are you finding that a lot of this stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that you're getting is sort of like that, just very brief.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of it's brief, and a lot of it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like without explanation, like they'll they won't go

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<v Speaker 1>by design? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you done this sort of thing for stuff not

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<v Speaker 2>related to Bigfoot? You said that you have like a

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've done this before.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Comparably, the Bigfoot stuff is much more lacking in

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<v Speaker 1>It is And you're kind of wondering, is that because

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<v Speaker 1>they're not taking it seriously or because they're like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's their gimmick, Like they don't take it seriously. That's

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<v Speaker 1>some of the state stuff, the federal will get it,

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<v Speaker 1>when it's federal it's not even entering their business, or

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<v Speaker 1>And I really noticed that when I was doing the

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<v Speaker 1>took place in of all places Cincinnati. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, and there are there are a few

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<v Speaker 1>news reports articles about a group of monkeys had been

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<v Speaker 1>seen in Cincinnati in twenty twenty one. There's video of it.

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<v Speaker 1>There's at least one video that you can see on

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<v Speaker 1>four dark figures that they're saying are monkeys in a tree,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're pretty good size, they're hefty. And I had

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<v Speaker 1>heard about this and when I seen it, I obviously

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if anybody did the foya. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>they did, so I did the foya and I got

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<v Speaker 1>back two. This is weird because it's two incident reports,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're like at least six calls, nine to one

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<v Speaker 1>one calls on each incident report, so that by itself

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<v Speaker 1>is weird. Each call should have their own incident number, incident,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, summary, all that stuff, and it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>they just kind of bulked everything into two reports, which

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<v Speaker 1>is just kind of weird off the bat. But people

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<v Speaker 1>were seeing these these multiple monkeys in the area, and

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<v Speaker 1>it got to the point where the Department of Agriculture

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<v Speaker 1>I'll read you this report here. It's actually it's the book,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a detailed the incident report, detailed incident report,

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<v Speaker 1>and it basically says that to ac from Mike King

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<v Speaker 1>from the Department of Agriculture, requesting call from someone that

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<v Speaker 1>could give him more information regarding the monkey situation. So again,

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<v Speaker 1>there were multiple monkeys kind of roaming around in Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 1>People were seeing them taking video. In one of the

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<v Speaker 1>news reports that happened, this woman was talking about how

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<v Speaker 1>she had seen these things. They were taller than her

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<v Speaker 1>garbage can or as tall as her garbage can, and

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<v Speaker 1>had really long swinging arms. She didn't describe seeing a

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<v Speaker 1>tailor or anything like that. And again, the original guy

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<v Speaker 1>who called his name was Lucky Griffin. I have his

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<v Speaker 1>reports in the book and he basically says that he

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<v Speaker 1>sees these things walking down the road as he's on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone or whatever. I would have loved to have

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<v Speaker 1>had those nine one one phone calls as they're describing

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<v Speaker 1>what they're seeing. But I reached out to them, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is one of those agencies that they only hold

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<v Speaker 1>the calls for like sixty days and then they erased them.

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<v Speaker 1>So we should have like nine to one one calls

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<v Speaker 1>from this thing. At least at least eight, if not more,

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<v Speaker 1>about people reporting these apes just kind of roaming the area.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll read you a little bit more of this

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<v Speaker 1>report here because it just kind of gets weirder and

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<v Speaker 1>you'll see where the kind of cover up angle goes.

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<v Speaker 1>This happened. I read you that first part and this

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<v Speaker 1>was a couple hours later. It's spoke with resident West

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<v Speaker 1>eighth and Harrison reported last night video scene at least

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<v Speaker 1>four or more last seen through the woods at the

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<v Speaker 1>ed and Cemetery. No sign of camera from resident approximately

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<v Speaker 1>unknown who they belong to. WLWT has been advised to

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<v Speaker 1>contact PIO. So again these are this is a different

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<v Speaker 1>person making a call pretty much saying that hey, we're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing the monkeys in this area. And then shortly after

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<v Speaker 1>that we have someone else calling different name. Three hours

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<v Speaker 1>later they're basically saying heard monkeys around the area, seeing nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it says that they linked it right here in

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<v Speaker 1>the call notes it says that they linked it. This

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<v Speaker 1>one is really interesting. This is another person and it

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<v Speaker 1>says cap they called in. The says comp was watching

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<v Speaker 1>the news and was told to call if they had

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<v Speaker 1>any info. Comp advised her dog was barking at a

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<v Speaker 1>screaming creature in the tree on Easter and it was

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<v Speaker 1>a monkey. Then it ran to the top of a

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<v Speaker 1>swaying tree. Body of the monkey was Koala their size

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<v Speaker 1>monkey's last seen Easter Sunday and call if needed, and

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to confirm that the original called are not lying,

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<v Speaker 1>so right there, and that's just a crazy call right there.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't even the same day. This person is saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we had we saw these monkeys like days before this happened.

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<v Speaker 1>So koalaverir sized monkey doesn't sound like a copouch and

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<v Speaker 1>monkey to me. And if you if you do see

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<v Speaker 1>that video, they look really bulky and has the almost

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<v Speaker 1>like chimpanzee size that other woman describing as tall as

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<v Speaker 1>a garbage can arms swing you get, you get that

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<v Speaker 1>eight picture more than a monkey picture. Yeah, So people

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<v Speaker 1>were out here saying things. I mean, this thing was

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<v Speaker 1>screaming at her dog, this freathing creature in the trees.

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<v Speaker 1>Literally what this report says her dog was barking at him,

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<v Speaker 1>ran to the top of a swinging tree. So really

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<v Speaker 1>weird stuff coming out of Cincinnati. Multiple people seeing whatever

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<v Speaker 1>these things were, and then here's another call that happened

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<v Speaker 1>a few hours later. About four hours later, redactave device.

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<v Speaker 1>She could hear the monkeys up in the trees at

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<v Speaker 1>her location, sounds only recorded, no visual. Now, we should

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<v Speaker 1>have had those sound recordings in the four yer request

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<v Speaker 1>that I did, right, but that wasn't included. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know why, but it wasn't. We should have those. Someone

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<v Speaker 1>else calls can hear some kind of animal sounds from

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<v Speaker 1>the woods, no visual, and then okay, and then this

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<v Speaker 1>is where it gets interesting. So they go to the location,

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<v Speaker 1>this last location where they can hear the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>recorded the audio and no visual, and it says no monkeys,

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<v Speaker 1>just owls. And then about a minute later it says

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<v Speaker 1>just located owls in the woods and then says CPD

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<v Speaker 1>has closed their incident. About an hour later, another incident

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<v Speaker 1>pops up. Shasta police stated he heard monkeys in his backyard,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're no longer there. So they try to cover

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<v Speaker 1>this up real quick, saying it was just owls in

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<v Speaker 1>the woods. Yea, even though people had video, even though

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<v Speaker 1>multiple people across the city were seeing this, they just

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<v Speaker 1>said owls. And then an hour later again another monkey report.

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<v Speaker 1>Just weird so I have no explanation for that. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you do.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's how Planet of the Ape starts, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's crazy. I'm just sitting here thinking, like listening.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you say all this stuff? Read it off the reports?

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<v Speaker 2>There should be so much more information. Oh yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean a group of a monkey, like I could understand, like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>one monkey, maybe one phone call or something. It gets out,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not that big of a deal. But I remember

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<v Speaker 2>various instances where groups of primates have escape captivity and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a pretty big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've never heard of this. I don't remember hearing

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<v Speaker 2>about a group of monkeys in Cincinnati though.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and not many people have, even people from Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 1>haven't heard of this, which is weird. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>very few news reports about it. Odd odd stuff. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, we should have like at least eight ninety

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<v Speaker 1>one to one phone calls, We should have individual incident

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<v Speaker 1>report numbers for all of these, but they just grouped

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<v Speaker 1>all of these stuff into like two different reports, which

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<v Speaker 1>is just it's just crazy to me. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>why they I've never seen that done before. And then again,

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<v Speaker 1>we have the Department of agriculture wanting to know what

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<v Speaker 1>the heck's going on over there. Yeah, so that's like

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<v Speaker 1>at a state level, he's wanting to know. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not an accounty or anything like that, but it

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<v Speaker 1>kind of shows you that everybody was really taking this seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>And they never found anything. They found nothing with all

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<v Speaker 1>the drones, they had, dogs that they had a belief,

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<v Speaker 1>a team from the Cincinnati Zoo out with tranquilizers they

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<v Speaker 1>had again I said, drones, people on foot. They never

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<v Speaker 1>found anything. There's no explanation to where these monkeys came from,

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<v Speaker 1>what they were, where they went, where they went, Yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>we have no information about that. It's just the close report,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, incidents, status clothes. I'm sitting at the top,

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<v Speaker 1>really weird stuff, no explanation for it.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of instances of you know, I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just thinking randomly here. But like so obviously zoos have

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<v Speaker 2>primates and you've got some rehabilitation places and like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But if the animals get out, you know, it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty big deal. And then you have medical testing

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<v Speaker 2>facilities where if the animals get out, it's really a big.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, that's twenty eight days later right there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so that just seems really strange. That is

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<v Speaker 2>just shut down like that, and like, oh, well, we

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<v Speaker 2>found some owls. Time to move on, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Cincinnati Zoo had been contacted also, and they're like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we got all our monkeys. So they sent out a

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<v Speaker 1>team just to kind of help with the situation. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>no luck. Nothing was ever nothing was ever found. And

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of is leads me into another incident that

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<v Speaker 1>took place because this is just so eerily similar to

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<v Speaker 1>an incident that took place in Santa Fe, Texas in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen that I have. I also have the reports

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<v Speaker 1>for during the book, and this one is weird, man,

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<v Speaker 1>this one's really weird. I'll read you the original incident report.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the very first thing anybody the public knew

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<v Speaker 1>about it or whatever. The after everything came out, the

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<v Speaker 1>sheriff had to come I'm not saying they had to

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<v Speaker 1>come out making like a public service announcement saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>if you see a champ in the area, don't touch it,

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<v Speaker 1>don't approach it, call us like this happened. It was

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was on there, even on their Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>page and stuff like that. I'll read you. I'll read

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<v Speaker 1>you this police report here. So this was on nine Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I should have actually let me see no, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the right one. Yeah. So this was actually

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<v Speaker 1>on September tenth, twenty nineteen, everything started, and it basically says,

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<v Speaker 1>here possible monkey sighting, game, more and advice. He will

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<v Speaker 1>speak he will be speaking with Aco about the issue,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it says per eleven eleven, send eleven eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>Aco contact gives the name of the person, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it says we'll need drone. Several hours later, about seven

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<v Speaker 1>hours later, it says assist at Aco VA drone and

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<v Speaker 1>attempting to locate a monkey. But the search was unsuccessful.

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<v Speaker 1>Check the area of via drone unable to locate monkey.

419
00:23:58.960 --> 00:24:02.079
<v Speaker 1>So about six hours into this investigation, they've got drones

420
00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:05.680
<v Speaker 1>in the air looking for this monkey that's been roaming

421
00:24:05.680 --> 00:24:09.720
<v Speaker 1>around Santa Fe, Texas, and they weren't able to find it.

422
00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:12.440
<v Speaker 1>They weren't able to find it at that time. And

423
00:24:13.480 --> 00:24:17.079
<v Speaker 1>it's it's weird again because they had to go make

424
00:24:17.079 --> 00:24:19.559
<v Speaker 1>a public statement. The news cupboads and this one was

425
00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:21.480
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more extensive than what was going on

426
00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:24.319
<v Speaker 1>in Ohio. There was actually a lot of people reporting

427
00:24:24.359 --> 00:24:26.920
<v Speaker 1>on this. One of the more interesting ones was there

428
00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:30.039
<v Speaker 1>was a woman all location kind of reporting about it,

429
00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:32.000
<v Speaker 1>and they come back from a commercial break and there's

430
00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:34.240
<v Speaker 1>like a truck driving right past her and she goes,

431
00:24:34.279 --> 00:24:36.039
<v Speaker 1>they just told us they spotted the monkey down the

432
00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:37.960
<v Speaker 1>street or the ape down the street, so we're gonna

433
00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:40.400
<v Speaker 1>go to that location. So this was happening in real time.

434
00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:44.200
<v Speaker 1>People were seeing this thing similar to the Cincinnati one,

435
00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:47.680
<v Speaker 1>all over the area, but we didn't get any video

436
00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:49.680
<v Speaker 1>of this one like we did with the Cincinnati one.

437
00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Witnesses did come forward. There was this one witness I

438
00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:54.640
<v Speaker 1>think probably got the best look about it, so he

439
00:24:54.680 --> 00:24:57.440
<v Speaker 1>was the only one that spoke to the public about it,

440
00:24:57.480 --> 00:25:00.799
<v Speaker 1>and she said that she had it was the middle

441
00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:02.799
<v Speaker 1>of the night. She had seen this thing digging through

442
00:25:02.839 --> 00:25:06.359
<v Speaker 1>her garbage cans. She made a report. I have her report,

443
00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:09.279
<v Speaker 1>it's in the book. And it was standing tall, lifting

444
00:25:09.279 --> 00:25:12.160
<v Speaker 1>the garbage can, digging through it. She closed the blinds,

445
00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:15.359
<v Speaker 1>called the police and they came out and didn't find anything.

446
00:25:16.119 --> 00:25:21.519
<v Speaker 1>But then other people were reporting it, mainly the officials

447
00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:24.359
<v Speaker 1>government officials in the area kind of downplaying it. They

448
00:25:24.400 --> 00:25:26.240
<v Speaker 1>were making it sound like it was a smaller monkey,

449
00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:30.079
<v Speaker 1>capuchin monkey, but all the reports I have make it

450
00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:33.480
<v Speaker 1>seem like it was a lot bigger than a capuchin

451
00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:36.480
<v Speaker 1>monkey or just some random tiny monkey up there. And

452
00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:38.880
<v Speaker 1>I'll read you, I'll read you another instance of what

453
00:25:39.079 --> 00:25:41.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of saying here. Everything continued on for about

454
00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:44.599
<v Speaker 1>two days and a couple hours later. This is the

455
00:25:44.599 --> 00:25:48.319
<v Speaker 1>same day that this happened. This was happening at nine

456
00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:52.640
<v Speaker 1>pm at night, and again it says here's here's cowling

457
00:25:53.079 --> 00:25:55.880
<v Speaker 1>thinks it maybe eight on the loose. Now a small

458
00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:58.559
<v Speaker 1>capuchin monkey, I don't think it howls like that. The

459
00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:01.640
<v Speaker 1>way they're describing it, it sounds like something bigger. And also

460
00:26:01.759 --> 00:26:04.559
<v Speaker 1>the nature of this police call was a suspicious person,

461
00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:07.640
<v Speaker 1>so that doesn't sound like a little monkey for an

462
00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:11.480
<v Speaker 1>animal control issue. They're talking about something howling and a powling,

463
00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:16.200
<v Speaker 1>and it really kind of just goes even more from there.

464
00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:20.599
<v Speaker 1>The next report we get is right before midnight, eleven pm.

465
00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:24.119
<v Speaker 1>This is another report here, and it says color advises

466
00:26:24.160 --> 00:26:27.759
<v Speaker 1>he hears primate possible visual. So this person actually got

467
00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:30.319
<v Speaker 1>a visible a visual. I would have loved to hear

468
00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:32.480
<v Speaker 1>that nine to one on one phone call as they're saying, hey,

469
00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:35.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at it, or I saw it, it's this tall,

470
00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:37.640
<v Speaker 1>then we would know for sure it's this size, it's

471
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:40.240
<v Speaker 1>this this. I'm sure they were describing it. I don't

472
00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:43.000
<v Speaker 1>know why we don't get any type of transcript or

473
00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:46.359
<v Speaker 1>any other information about these calls. We have nothing. All

474
00:26:46.359 --> 00:26:49.519
<v Speaker 1>we have is just a couple of little words acknowledging

475
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:51.319
<v Speaker 1>their call was made, which is just to me, it's

476
00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:54.400
<v Speaker 1>just terrible. But imagine if they were describing this thing

477
00:26:54.440 --> 00:26:57.480
<v Speaker 1>in detail, what it looked like, the size of it.

478
00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:00.759
<v Speaker 1>Just really interesting stuff. And again I did the four

479
00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:05.119
<v Speaker 1>year request. I got about four individual police reports from

480
00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:09.240
<v Speaker 1>League City and Santa Fe City Police Department. Those are

481
00:27:09.279 --> 00:27:13.640
<v Speaker 1>like the two neighboring counties. That was really interesting. And

482
00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:17.079
<v Speaker 1>the other thing was that the news was reporting this

483
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:20.480
<v Speaker 1>was an aggressive ape. I have never found any type

484
00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:24.400
<v Speaker 1>of information in any of the reports about mentioning aggressive

485
00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:29.599
<v Speaker 1>it did this. I found nothing about that. What I

486
00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:32.319
<v Speaker 1>did do a four year quest for the email server

487
00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:35.759
<v Speaker 1>at that location for this time, and I got something

488
00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:38.759
<v Speaker 1>really interesting. To me. This is kind of like I

489
00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:40.960
<v Speaker 1>don't want to say smoking gun, but man, it's just

490
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:43.559
<v Speaker 1>so crazy. This was an email. It was never meant

491
00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:45.720
<v Speaker 1>to see the public. It was from the county clerk there,

492
00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:50.039
<v Speaker 1>sent out to an outside source and the subject is OMG,

493
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:54.720
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, and it says basically, OMG, there is

494
00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:57.880
<v Speaker 1>a loose monkey out in Santa Fe, Texas. It is

495
00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:01.559
<v Speaker 1>between three to four feet tall and attacking people. What

496
00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:05.039
<v Speaker 1>the heck? It's been missing it out and about since Friday.

497
00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:10.480
<v Speaker 1>So that's just crazy to me that internally they're kind

498
00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:13.359
<v Speaker 1>of saying at the at the different sheriff's offices and

499
00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:16.680
<v Speaker 1>government agencies, they're saying, this thing attacks somebody. It's it's

500
00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:20.440
<v Speaker 1>a wild ape. They never that never transpires in the reports,

501
00:28:20.440 --> 00:28:23.359
<v Speaker 1>but I believe it's factual because they're a county clerk

502
00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:24.240
<v Speaker 1>is stating.

503
00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:29.680
<v Speaker 2>It apes, period. But three to four feet that's killing people,

504
00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:31.880
<v Speaker 2>that's ripping their arms off. That would be like a

505
00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:32.920
<v Speaker 2>huge problem.

506
00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, oh that's a big deal. And I mean

507
00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:39.200
<v Speaker 1>they were taking it seriously definitely. If the sheriff had

508
00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:40.839
<v Speaker 1>to come out basically say if you see a chip

509
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:42.400
<v Speaker 1>running around, don't touch it or whatever.

510
00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:51.680
<v Speaker 2>My conspiracy brain though, is telling me, well.

511
00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:54.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean I think everybody's kind of thinking that. Honestly, again,

512
00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:57.160
<v Speaker 1>they never found anything. They had drones in the air,

513
00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:00.200
<v Speaker 1>they had dogs, they had people, gangs of people out there.

514
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:03.559
<v Speaker 1>They found nothing. They turned up nothing. They closed this investigation.

515
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:06.279
<v Speaker 1>If there was a wild monkey on the loose, wouldn't

516
00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:08.240
<v Speaker 1>you think you'd want to kind of keep looking for it.

517
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:08.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

518
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:12.279
<v Speaker 1>The other thing is that they mentioned in this email

519
00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:14.799
<v Speaker 1>that it was it's been out in the loose since Friday,

520
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:17.200
<v Speaker 1>like kind of like it's a it's a monkey they

521
00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:21.279
<v Speaker 1>know about or whatever. I did floyers trying to find

522
00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:24.480
<v Speaker 1>any type of incident where a monkey attacked a person

523
00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:27.160
<v Speaker 1>or a kid or whatever. I don't have nothing nothing

524
00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:32.680
<v Speaker 1>about that, So that's interesting to me. And after I

525
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:35.519
<v Speaker 1>started talking about this, multiple people reached out to me

526
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:40.079
<v Speaker 1>from this area with different accounts of what they believe.

527
00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:44.160
<v Speaker 1>It was like, one guy reached out to me saying

528
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:46.160
<v Speaker 1>that he believed it was like a mother and a

529
00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:49.559
<v Speaker 1>young one. Because people were reporting different size variations. Some

530
00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:52.519
<v Speaker 1>people were saying small, some people were saying big. And

531
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:54.400
<v Speaker 1>then another guy reached out to me saying, oh, that

532
00:29:54.519 --> 00:29:57.440
<v Speaker 1>was an escape chimp from like a chicken farm. And

533
00:29:57.519 --> 00:29:59.359
<v Speaker 1>I was like, you know, okay, I looked into that

534
00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:03.119
<v Speaker 1>that I couldn't really find anything to substantiate that. One

535
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:05.920
<v Speaker 1>of the more interesting ones that I received was from

536
00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:08.599
<v Speaker 1>this man who had reached out to me and that

537
00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:12.160
<v Speaker 1>he had the story was really kind of fascinating. He

538
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:15.240
<v Speaker 1>told me that his son and his son's friend were

539
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:20.119
<v Speaker 1>out dove hunting in Santa Fe and that his son

540
00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:22.559
<v Speaker 1>had seen this what he thought was like a monkey,

541
00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:25.680
<v Speaker 1>an ape, and a tree, and that I can't remember

542
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:28.640
<v Speaker 1>if he said they shot first or this thing attacked first,

543
00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:31.599
<v Speaker 1>but he said they shot at it and it jumped

544
00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:34.599
<v Speaker 1>out of a tree and scratched this kid's face. And

545
00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:38.519
<v Speaker 1>that is where the attacking people portion of this whole

546
00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:41.599
<v Speaker 1>thing comes from. And that's just kind of Yeah, that's

547
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:44.599
<v Speaker 1>just kind of weird and interesting. I can't find anything

548
00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:49.319
<v Speaker 1>to really substantiate that. But we know something happened to

549
00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:54.680
<v Speaker 1>make this thing aggressive or like attacking people. We know that.

550
00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:57.440
<v Speaker 1>So that's just kind of odd in itself that we

551
00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:04.039
<v Speaker 1>have unidentified at least attacked at least one person out there.

552
00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:08.440
<v Speaker 1>To me, that's just insane. Yeah, and we have no

553
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:10.079
<v Speaker 1>explanation for it.

554
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:14.160
<v Speaker 2>Three to four foot tall at least, like you said,

555
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:17.759
<v Speaker 2>reports of different heights, but we have that one at

556
00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:22.400
<v Speaker 2>least confirmed by a witness I mean.

557
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:24.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then you hear the howling and stuff, you're

558
00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:27.319
<v Speaker 1>thinking big, You're thinking something big.

559
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:30.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I mean chimps, as far as I know,

560
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:35.440
<v Speaker 2>don't howl. I mean, yeah, I know some of their vocalizations.

561
00:31:35.480 --> 00:31:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I'm wrong on that, but yeah. Again, I just

562
00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:44.759
<v Speaker 2>think like if something like that got loose, logically to me,

563
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:48.160
<v Speaker 2>maybe I'm wrong, but somebody would report it like, hey,

564
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:50.960
<v Speaker 2>my chimp got loose. You know, that's my chimp. Can

565
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:53.720
<v Speaker 2>we get it back? Or And I understand maybe it

566
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:57.039
<v Speaker 2>was owned illegally or something like that, but it all

567
00:31:57.079 --> 00:31:59.240
<v Speaker 2>just seems really suspicious.

568
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:03.680
<v Speaker 1>It does. And I mean there's been cases of that before,

569
00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:06.200
<v Speaker 1>like tigers getting loose in Texas, Like there was a

570
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:08.119
<v Speaker 1>whole I think for like three or four years in

571
00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:10.359
<v Speaker 1>a row there was like a tiger that you'd hear

572
00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:15.680
<v Speaker 1>about the news for escaping, you know, constantly. And that's

573
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:18.000
<v Speaker 1>what I first thought when I heard about this, until

574
00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:19.880
<v Speaker 1>I started doing the Foyer request and I was like, WHOA,

575
00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:22.400
<v Speaker 1>this is weird. And those tigers and everything, they always

576
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:24.960
<v Speaker 1>find those they're out for a couple of days maybe,

577
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:26.880
<v Speaker 1>and then they find them. They'll have a drone, a

578
00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:28.279
<v Speaker 1>lot of a team out there and they'll spot it

579
00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:30.960
<v Speaker 1>and they'll find it. They never did that with this,

580
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:34.400
<v Speaker 1>They never had any type of explanation. Again, like the

581
00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:37.599
<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati thing, we don't have an identification, we don't have

582
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:39.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, where these things came from. We've got we've

583
00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:43.279
<v Speaker 1>got nothing. And that's kind of concerning to me. Honestly,

584
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:46.319
<v Speaker 1>if they're reporting an aggressive chimp out there or an

585
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:50.240
<v Speaker 1>aggressive ape I should say, out there attacking people that

586
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:53.680
<v Speaker 1>was never found, Like that's that's a little concerning to me.

587
00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:57.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and just on the skeptic side, you know, let's

588
00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:01.359
<v Speaker 2>say it all really is known primates, you know, escaped

589
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:07.160
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. That would definitely explain some of the bigfoot

590
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:12.400
<v Speaker 2>reports that people have. So it's crazy that either way

591
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:15.839
<v Speaker 2>you look at it, either it's a potential Bigfoot or

592
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:19.400
<v Speaker 2>there's potentially loose primates running around in the woods in

593
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:21.319
<v Speaker 2>some parts of the world where they're not supposed to

594
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:21.680
<v Speaker 2>be at.

595
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, everything about this is concerned. And again I really

596
00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:27.680
<v Speaker 1>would have loved to have those nine to one one

597
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:30.160
<v Speaker 1>calls because I think with those calls we would have

598
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:33.720
<v Speaker 1>definitely got some type of again, height, size, or what

599
00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:37.039
<v Speaker 1>they look like, because we don't have any of that stuff.

600
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:41.119
<v Speaker 1>In these reports we have barely we don't even have identification.

601
00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:45.160
<v Speaker 1>So it's it's just one of those things again, kind

602
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:48.839
<v Speaker 1>of like the Cincinnati one where there's no closure. Here,

603
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:51.680
<v Speaker 1>we've got, we've got, we have, we have no idea,

604
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:54.039
<v Speaker 1>we don't know anything. We just know people were seeing

605
00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:58.960
<v Speaker 1>some type of ape creature creatures possibly in these areas,

606
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:03.079
<v Speaker 1>which is it's just man and people say, you know

607
00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:09.800
<v Speaker 1>about bigfoot sighting through whatever, there's a you know, people say,

608
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:12.039
<v Speaker 1>how come they don't call the cops or anything like that. Well,

609
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:14.679
<v Speaker 1>I mean maybe this is one of those cases where

610
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:17.360
<v Speaker 1>they just kind of turn it into monkey stuff. And

611
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:22.480
<v Speaker 1>you'll see that that theme kind of continues through through

612
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:26.400
<v Speaker 1>my investigation. A lot of times they'll just say unidentified monkey.

613
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:31.920
<v Speaker 1>Very there's few and far between where they do say bigfoot,

614
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:34.679
<v Speaker 1>but I do have reports where they do say big foot.

615
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:38.679
<v Speaker 2>If you were calling in, you know, to report seeing

616
00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:41.800
<v Speaker 2>a bigfoot and you're just like, I don't know what

617
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:43.880
<v Speaker 2>to do? Should I call the police? Who should I call?

618
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:46.159
<v Speaker 2>And you do end up calling. You don't want to

619
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:49.480
<v Speaker 2>sound crazy, you don't want to say that's true. So

620
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:51.800
<v Speaker 2>like it makes sense that people would say I don't

621
00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:54.119
<v Speaker 2>know it's some kind of monkey or ape or something.

622
00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Right. I think there's a lot more of those calls

623
00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:00.440
<v Speaker 1>than we know about. I think there's a lot more,

624
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:03.480
<v Speaker 1>and I'm hoping to uncover a lot of those. And

625
00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:06.400
<v Speaker 1>I've been lucky with some stuff. And we talked about

626
00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:09.920
<v Speaker 1>getting laughed at or whatever by calling about bigfoot. I

627
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:13.760
<v Speaker 1>want to talk about the Harrison County incident that happened

628
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:18.960
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty three, where unfortunately, that's that's what happened

629
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:23.199
<v Speaker 1>to this gentleman who did call the authorities to report

630
00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:27.920
<v Speaker 1>what was going on, and they didn't treat him as

631
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:30.559
<v Speaker 1>well as they should have. I'll just say that. And

632
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:34.880
<v Speaker 1>this one's in. It's so weird. It's so weird because

633
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:38.000
<v Speaker 1>that last one that I talked about in Santa Fe, Texas,

634
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:45.159
<v Speaker 1>it happened September tenth of twenty twelve. Yeah, I was

635
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:48.760
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty one, I'm sorry, twenty nineteen. September tenth

636
00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:53.719
<v Speaker 1>of twenty nineteen. This incident had took place in twenty

637
00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:56.840
<v Speaker 1>twenty three in Harrison County, happened on the same day.

638
00:35:57.639 --> 00:36:00.280
<v Speaker 1>So to me, that's just kind of wild. Harrison County

639
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:02.440
<v Speaker 1>on the Santa Fe they're very close. They're not that far,

640
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:05.599
<v Speaker 1>not that far apart, kind of swamp lands both areas.

641
00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:08.840
<v Speaker 1>Harrison County is a little bit to the north. But

642
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:11.199
<v Speaker 1>I'll just read you this incident report here. This one

643
00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:15.280
<v Speaker 1>I received through a Freedom of Information Act request, and

644
00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:17.760
<v Speaker 1>it's the whole call shoot here. I have the nine

645
00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:19.360
<v Speaker 1>to one one phone call. This is one of those

646
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:21.840
<v Speaker 1>rare instances where I was able to hop on it

647
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:24.800
<v Speaker 1>as it was happening, so I submitted my FOY. I

648
00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:27.599
<v Speaker 1>have the ninety one one phone call. I have it

649
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:29.960
<v Speaker 1>on my channel. I kind of took it down because

650
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:32.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be using it in my next documentary.

651
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:35.320
<v Speaker 1>I'll be going out to this area in the next

652
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:38.280
<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks, hopefully talk to the witness, go out

653
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:40.559
<v Speaker 1>to this area, because it's the whole thing is just

654
00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:43.039
<v Speaker 1>kind of fascinating to me. And I'll just I have

655
00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:46.920
<v Speaker 1>the I have the image that was taken that's mentioned here.

656
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:49.280
<v Speaker 1>I'll just talk about it real quick. It says caller

657
00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:52.000
<v Speaker 1>reports that he may have spotted something like Bigfoot on

658
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:55.320
<v Speaker 1>his game cameras near the Samuel Murphy Estates off of

659
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:59.400
<v Speaker 1>the Lovely Road. RP was transferred to public service and

660
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:01.880
<v Speaker 1>then it's a very attom. It says sighting of bigfoot

661
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:06.159
<v Speaker 1>on game camera. So this gentleman believes he has the

662
00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:09.360
<v Speaker 1>photo of a bigfoot on his game camera, and he

663
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:12.880
<v Speaker 1>reported it to the local authorities, and now the Harrison

664
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:17.079
<v Speaker 1>County Sheriff's office ended up transferring that call to the

665
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:21.559
<v Speaker 1>local Fish and Wildlife, I believe, so they got involved.

666
00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:24.960
<v Speaker 1>The ranger with the Fish and Wildlife got involved. That's

667
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:27.960
<v Speaker 1>actually where I got the image from. I four you

668
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:32.079
<v Speaker 1>them and I got the image from them. But the

669
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:35.800
<v Speaker 1>gentleman called because he was concerned. He was branching out there.

670
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:39.360
<v Speaker 1>He's got a hayfield out there, and this thing. You

671
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:41.719
<v Speaker 1>can see it the images in the book. It's standing

672
00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:45.320
<v Speaker 1>very tall in the middle of one of his fields.

673
00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:49.199
<v Speaker 1>The proportions are just all really weird, and it's just

674
00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:52.119
<v Speaker 1>an odd looking photo. I have no idea you know,

675
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:54.039
<v Speaker 1>what it is. But he was concerned enough to call

676
00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:56.960
<v Speaker 1>and say, I think this might be bigfoot. And we

677
00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:59.400
<v Speaker 1>had again, you had talked about it, saying that that

678
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:01.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of sounds crazy making that call. But I'll give

679
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:04.000
<v Speaker 1>this man his props for that. He actually made it

680
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:06.239
<v Speaker 1>and says, I think this is a big foot. And

681
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:10.400
<v Speaker 1>unfortunately they were professional while he was on the phone,

682
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:12.440
<v Speaker 1>but as soon as they hung up and called the

683
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:16.719
<v Speaker 1>game warden in the area, the dispatchers were kind of

684
00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:18.480
<v Speaker 1>like laughing, like, hey, he said this seem a big foot.

685
00:38:18.519 --> 00:38:21.199
<v Speaker 1>You can hear laughing in the background or whatever. The

686
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:24.239
<v Speaker 1>game warn hears it, and he takes it seriously, and

687
00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:26.480
<v Speaker 1>so he's like, I'll go ahead out there, and so

688
00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:29.360
<v Speaker 1>they call him back to get his information, the witnesses information,

689
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:31.920
<v Speaker 1>and they say, we're dispatching the sheriff out there. The

690
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:35.159
<v Speaker 1>sheriff is out there for less than four minutes before

691
00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:37.480
<v Speaker 1>he closes the incident. That's what it says in the report.

692
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:41.000
<v Speaker 1>He's out there for four minutes, closes the incident. Really weird.

693
00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:45.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why he did that. But again, I

694
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:49.440
<v Speaker 1>spoke to the witness and he's kind of back and forth.

695
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:51.159
<v Speaker 1>He wants to give me an interview, but he was

696
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:54.320
<v Speaker 1>really upset at the way this was this was handled.

697
00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:56.880
<v Speaker 1>So hopefully he's still willing to give me that interview.

698
00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:59.239
<v Speaker 1>He's definitely said he'd take me to that area, so

699
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:05.280
<v Speaker 1>I'll get at least that hopefully. But again, really odd

700
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:07.760
<v Speaker 1>and strange stuff here. Just looking at the photo, the

701
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:11.920
<v Speaker 1>photo is just really really strange looking, and I've got

702
00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:15.840
<v Speaker 1>no explanation for that. Again, I think there's more of

703
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:18.840
<v Speaker 1>these phone calls out there than we will then, you know,

704
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:21.000
<v Speaker 1>we kind of are led to believe. I think there's

705
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:24.320
<v Speaker 1>more not necessarily saying bigfoot, but maybe they are saying,

706
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:27.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, hairy creature, monkey or ape or something like that.

707
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:31.280
<v Speaker 1>And this is really the stuff that I'm looking for.

708
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:35.519
<v Speaker 1>To me, this is a complete investigation. I guess you

709
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:37.960
<v Speaker 1>want to call it. I heard about it. I made

710
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:40.199
<v Speaker 1>the four year request. I have my original four year request.

711
00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:42.320
<v Speaker 1>I have their email they sent me, I have the

712
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:44.719
<v Speaker 1>original call sheet. I've got the nine to one one

713
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:48.559
<v Speaker 1>phone call. I've got pretty much everything. I've spoken to

714
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:53.360
<v Speaker 1>the witness. So this one, I feel like we've got

715
00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:56.760
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of closure on this one. Not everything,

716
00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:59.480
<v Speaker 1>because we don't know what's in that photo obviously, but

717
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:01.760
<v Speaker 1>this one, it feels this one feels a little bit

718
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:04.599
<v Speaker 1>better because again we have we have everything here. It's

719
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:08.880
<v Speaker 1>still kind of unsolved, but there's more information here. And

720
00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:10.679
<v Speaker 1>the only reason that is is because I was able

721
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:13.400
<v Speaker 1>to jump on it so fast. Again, if it would

722
00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:15.639
<v Speaker 1>have been thirty to sixty days and no phone call,

723
00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:17.960
<v Speaker 1>we wouldn't have been able to idea the witness any

724
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:22.480
<v Speaker 1>of that stuff. I'd be lucky to get the image, honestly,

725
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:24.119
<v Speaker 1>I think. I think as the time goes by, that

726
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:27.320
<v Speaker 1>even gets a little bit harder, and some agencies want

727
00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:29.920
<v Speaker 1>to charge money for that because it costs a dig

728
00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:32.920
<v Speaker 1>and look for that stuff. So I got really lucky

729
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:36.360
<v Speaker 1>with all of this. And the image is weird. Again,

730
00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:38.280
<v Speaker 1>the image is really weird. I kind of do a

731
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:41.079
<v Speaker 1>little bit of an analysis in the book, just the proportions.

732
00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:44.760
<v Speaker 1>It's right next to a deer feeder, a little behind

733
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:46.559
<v Speaker 1>a deer feeder, so you can kind of gauge a

734
00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:49.760
<v Speaker 1>little bit of size, and it is. It does look

735
00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:53.000
<v Speaker 1>fairly big, so it's interesting.

736
00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:55.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, did you get the name of the

737
00:40:55.960 --> 00:41:00.480
<v Speaker 2>fishing game person? Oh yeah, oh yeah. He tried to

738
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:01.199
<v Speaker 2>contact them.

739
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:06.159
<v Speaker 1>I have tried to contact him. I've been I've been unsuccessful.

740
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:09.440
<v Speaker 1>But I know someone who has spoken to him that

741
00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:14.199
<v Speaker 1>lives in the area and didn't really go into detail

742
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:15.840
<v Speaker 1>about what they had talked about. He just said that

743
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:17.760
<v Speaker 1>he knew that person. I think on a personal level

744
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:19.920
<v Speaker 1>he knows that person, but I know who he is.

745
00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:22.000
<v Speaker 1>I have his identity and all that type of stuff.

746
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:25.760
<v Speaker 1>So I'm going to be going out there to film

747
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:29.320
<v Speaker 1>this follow up documentary, and if I could get in

748
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:31.599
<v Speaker 1>touch with him and the witness get him at the

749
00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:33.440
<v Speaker 1>same location, that would be really cool. I don't think

750
00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:35.119
<v Speaker 1>anybody's ever done anything like that.

751
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:38.800
<v Speaker 2>I just want to take a quick break here to

752
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<v Speaker 2>Just being able to follow something through from beginning to end,

774
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<v Speaker 2>like that is really what everybody needs to be doing.

775
00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:07.679
<v Speaker 2>That's calling themselves a Bigfoot researcher, not putting you in

776
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:10.719
<v Speaker 2>that group or anything, but I'm just saying in general,

777
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:13.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, like obviously you're proving that it can be

778
00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:16.519
<v Speaker 2>done if you're willing to put in the work.

779
00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:19.119
<v Speaker 1>Definitely, And I think, yeah, you kind of hit the

780
00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:21.280
<v Speaker 1>nail on the head right there. I think everything should

781
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:26.920
<v Speaker 1>be investigated to the you know, umph degree. I guess,

782
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:29.519
<v Speaker 1>just names dates and when you're out there, it always

783
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:33.440
<v Speaker 1>keeps some type of log or whatever. That's just always important.

784
00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:36.639
<v Speaker 1>And always try to convince, you know, the witness that

785
00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:39.960
<v Speaker 1>they're willing to give their name, because I think that

786
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:42.679
<v Speaker 1>just kind of gives it gives power to the to

787
00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:45.639
<v Speaker 1>the witnesses, to the people who've seen this thing, you know,

788
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:50.639
<v Speaker 1>maybe we start some type of you know, witness awareness

789
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:52.519
<v Speaker 1>group or something like that where they can kind of

790
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:56.239
<v Speaker 1>get together. I think that'd be interesting. Yeah, but yeah,

791
00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:59.599
<v Speaker 1>I'll continue on because again, there hasn't been many documents

792
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:04.239
<v Speaker 1>in actually have bigfoot in anywhere in the documentation, but

793
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:07.800
<v Speaker 1>this one a couple others that it basically says it

794
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:12.599
<v Speaker 1>out loud, and this next one here is really it's

795
00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:15.400
<v Speaker 1>really weird because it kind of borders on bigfoot attack.

796
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:19.159
<v Speaker 1>I know the that other one kind of does too,

797
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:21.480
<v Speaker 1>the one that happened in Santa Fe with the aggressive monkey,

798
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:26.599
<v Speaker 1>but this one gives us a little bit more details. Again, unfortunately,

799
00:44:26.679 --> 00:44:28.440
<v Speaker 1>we should have the ninety one one call for this,

800
00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:33.159
<v Speaker 1>but we don't. Don't even have transcript for it. This

801
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:37.400
<v Speaker 1>happened and we'll try to say at Washington County by

802
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:41.280
<v Speaker 1>Ann Arbor, Michigan. And this again, oddly enough, this was

803
00:44:41.320 --> 00:44:43.559
<v Speaker 1>in September. These last three things we talked about, all

804
00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:46.880
<v Speaker 1>of been in September September twenty sixth, twenty twenty two,

805
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:54.679
<v Speaker 1>at midnight, twelve thirty one am. Location is redacted, dispatch

806
00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:58.360
<v Speaker 1>office is redacted. And I'll just read you basically what

807
00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:03.679
<v Speaker 1>it says in the CFS and air to hear. Paul

808
00:45:03.719 --> 00:45:07.519
<v Speaker 1>comes in twelve three two am call her out in

809
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:10.519
<v Speaker 1>the wilderness in a cheap at a tree farm. Just

810
00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:15.760
<v Speaker 1>heard someone yell outside. Caller thinks it's bigfoot again. Caller

811
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:18.079
<v Speaker 1>says he wants to go to the hospital to get

812
00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:23.719
<v Speaker 1>out of the tree farm. HbA to stage wandersome back

813
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:26.760
<v Speaker 1>to the line. Cooper can move the sidebar to let

814
00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:31.360
<v Speaker 1>open the fence. Was calling for ETA and secure HbA.

815
00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:34.599
<v Speaker 1>So basically they had to go and assist this person

816
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:39.199
<v Speaker 1>out of this area at midnight because of some injury.

817
00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:44.559
<v Speaker 1>And he mentions that he thinks he hears bigfoot again. Yeah,

818
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:47.800
<v Speaker 1>so I'm like, what the heck's going on here? He

819
00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:50.920
<v Speaker 1>hears bigfoot again? Where's the first time he heard bigfoot?

820
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:55.199
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy, Like we I have no explanations for that.

821
00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:58.639
<v Speaker 1>Unless he called before saying hey, I'm hearing bigfoot out here,

822
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:01.320
<v Speaker 1>and then he calls again saying I still hear bigfoot

823
00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:04.719
<v Speaker 1>out here again. We had no information and this is

824
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:09.559
<v Speaker 1>kind of is it by design? We don't know. Since

825
00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:12.519
<v Speaker 1>he was injured, HVA, I believe he gets like, you know,

826
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:16.599
<v Speaker 1>medically escorted out of there. This is gonna again fall

827
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:19.679
<v Speaker 1>under that hip hop thing. Unfortunately. Yeah, so once it

828
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:21.880
<v Speaker 1>does that, we're not going to get any information. Was

829
00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:25.440
<v Speaker 1>this guy attacked by a bigfoot? It's interesting.

830
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:27.239
<v Speaker 2>I think you had sent me that one.

831
00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:30.519
<v Speaker 1>I did. I send you this one, Yeah.

832
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:33.800
<v Speaker 2>And I remember reading over it and like you're saying,

833
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:40.719
<v Speaker 2>it kind of insinuates that the guy was injured by

834
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:46.039
<v Speaker 2>a bigfoot. And even even the reporting officer is like

835
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:47.679
<v Speaker 2>talking about a bigfoot.

836
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:51.920
<v Speaker 1>It's weird because I think the reporting officer is picking

837
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:55.119
<v Speaker 1>his words very carefully. Yeah, I don't think he's wanting

838
00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:59.400
<v Speaker 1>to say what exactly happened, because it makes no sense.

839
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:02.719
<v Speaker 1>Just basically says just for someone yell outside color thinks

840
00:47:02.719 --> 00:47:05.119
<v Speaker 1>he hears bigfoot, he wants to go to the hospital,

841
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:08.760
<v Speaker 1>Like where was the injury mentioned? There was, you know,

842
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:11.880
<v Speaker 1>like they don't mention he called before this happened, none

843
00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:13.880
<v Speaker 1>of that stuff. It should be in the in the

844
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:17.000
<v Speaker 1>foury request. If he called multiple times, I should have that.

845
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:18.880
<v Speaker 1>It's nowhere to be found.

846
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:22.519
<v Speaker 2>Any type of first responder dispatched or anything.

847
00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, it just says HbA, and I think that is

848
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:30.400
<v Speaker 1>I think that is some type of medical from what

849
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:34.000
<v Speaker 1>I understand. But after that, yeah, we don't get any

850
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:38.679
<v Speaker 1>type of nothing because it goes into that into that

851
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:41.199
<v Speaker 1>hippa thing. Yeah, I mean it sounds like he got

852
00:47:41.239 --> 00:47:43.679
<v Speaker 1>attacked by bigfoot. I mean, this is the closest thing

853
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:47.440
<v Speaker 1>I think I seem to a bigfoot attack report. And

854
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:49.400
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of what I titled it in the book

855
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:52.639
<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot Attacks. Yeah, because this is just it's you know,

856
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:54.880
<v Speaker 1>I have no explanation for that. It doesn't say he

857
00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:58.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, rolled his car, I was in a car accident.

858
00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:03.719
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't say he got shot or something. It just says

859
00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:05.599
<v Speaker 1>he wants to go to the hospital because he hears

860
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:07.679
<v Speaker 1>a bigfoot. Why would you want to go to the

861
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:10.920
<v Speaker 1>hospital because you hear a big floot? Makes no sense

862
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:11.159
<v Speaker 1>to me?

863
00:48:11.519 --> 00:48:14.559
<v Speaker 2>And why? And why a bigfoot? Why a bigfoot? Specific?

864
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:18.079
<v Speaker 1>Why a bigfoot? Again? Yeah, he says again, it's like,

865
00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:20.119
<v Speaker 1>what the heck's going on? Imagine hearing that nine to

866
00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:23.079
<v Speaker 1>one one phone call, Get me the heck out of here,

867
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:25.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, big you know, imagine who's hearing it.

868
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:27.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's been a few bigfoot nine to one

869
00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:30.760
<v Speaker 2>one calls that obviously have gone viral on the internet.

870
00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:34.039
<v Speaker 2>People especially have heard the one from Washington. Then there

871
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:36.599
<v Speaker 2>was another one not too long ago where a lady

872
00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:40.440
<v Speaker 2>saw one crossing the road in North Carolina. Maybe I'm

873
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:42.679
<v Speaker 2>probably wrong about that, but uh no.

874
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:44.440
<v Speaker 1>I think I think I've heard both of those. And

875
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:48.840
<v Speaker 1>I've tried getting info on the on the Washington one,

876
00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:51.400
<v Speaker 1>but I'm not able to get any type of foya

877
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:54.760
<v Speaker 1>out of that. But this this one is just you know,

878
00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:56.960
<v Speaker 1>I would have loved to hear that phone call.

879
00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:00.880
<v Speaker 2>I guess it makes sense that they only keep them

880
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:04.199
<v Speaker 2>for so long unless there's some sort of actual crime

881
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:07.119
<v Speaker 2>where you know, there's probably a court order or to

882
00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:12.920
<v Speaker 2>archive it or whatever. But it just seems awfully convenient

883
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:17.440
<v Speaker 2>that all these bigfoot nine one one calls are gone exactly.

884
00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:20.159
<v Speaker 1>No, exactly, And again, is that you know? Is that planned?

885
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Is that something they thought about before? So when I

886
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:24.679
<v Speaker 1>put this out there, a lot of people reach out

887
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:28.000
<v Speaker 1>to me saying that they've had similar experiences in that area,

888
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:30.440
<v Speaker 1>which I thought was really cool. That's exactly what I'm

889
00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:32.000
<v Speaker 1>trying to go for. I'm trying to put this stuff

890
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:34.400
<v Speaker 1>out there and have people reach out to me with saying, oh,

891
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:36.920
<v Speaker 1>I reported that, you know, or I also something you know,

892
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:39.480
<v Speaker 1>I saw something called the cops whatever, we can look

893
00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:42.320
<v Speaker 1>for that and have more have a database of these

894
00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:46.159
<v Speaker 1>of these actual nine one one phone calls mentioning Bigfoot,

895
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:49.719
<v Speaker 1>these nine one reports mentioning Bigfoot. I don't know, it's

896
00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:51.880
<v Speaker 1>just weird, weird stuff.

897
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:57.440
<v Speaker 2>Now, before we went on the air, we were talking

898
00:49:57.480 --> 00:50:02.320
<v Speaker 2>about an incident where a bone was involved. Do you

899
00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:03.239
<v Speaker 2>want to talk about that?

900
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:06.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we can talk about that. That's not in my

901
00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:09.639
<v Speaker 1>book because it just it's weird. Writing this book, I

902
00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:13.360
<v Speaker 1>had to kind of postpone and postpone because a four

903
00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:15.320
<v Speaker 1>year request, you don't know when you're gonna get stuff back.

904
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:18.079
<v Speaker 1>It could be a month, it could be several months.

905
00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:20.239
<v Speaker 1>So I kept pushing it back. And this is one

906
00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:22.760
<v Speaker 1>of those instances where I could have put it in there,

907
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:24.760
<v Speaker 1>but I would have had to pushed it back again,

908
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:27.880
<v Speaker 1>and I didn't want to do that. So what happened

909
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:29.840
<v Speaker 1>I was I was doing some four year requests for

910
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:36.039
<v Speaker 1>counting up in Washington, and I asked them to give

911
00:50:36.039 --> 00:50:38.280
<v Speaker 1>me all their emails they had on their email server

912
00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:40.719
<v Speaker 1>from a certain date to a certain date, and it

913
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:45.840
<v Speaker 1>was a couple thousand and so I started digging through

914
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:48.119
<v Speaker 1>those and I found some interesting stuff. And what really

915
00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:51.679
<v Speaker 1>kind of just caught in my eye was the subject

916
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:57.800
<v Speaker 1>line of one of those emails that basically said unidentified bone.

917
00:50:57.960 --> 00:51:00.639
<v Speaker 1>And as I open it up, I look and I

918
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:03.639
<v Speaker 1>start reading the trance the email chain that's going on,

919
00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:11.320
<v Speaker 1>and it's about a woman who's emailing the local museum

920
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:15.840
<v Speaker 1>in the area asking for some clarification. She had just

921
00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:22.800
<v Speaker 1>inherited a bone collection from a biologist she knew, and

922
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:25.199
<v Speaker 1>so she's looking over this bone collection with a friend

923
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:28.599
<v Speaker 1>and they see this bone and they're like, what the

924
00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:31.880
<v Speaker 1>heck is this? They have no explanation for it. And

925
00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:36.000
<v Speaker 1>I believe they were told by the biologist while that

926
00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:40.039
<v Speaker 1>person was still alive, that this bone could potentially be

927
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:43.360
<v Speaker 1>a baby bigfootbone that is mentioned in the email chain.

928
00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:45.679
<v Speaker 1>They mentioned is this a baby big footbone to the

929
00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:49.800
<v Speaker 1>museum when they email it. So they email the museum.

930
00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:52.639
<v Speaker 1>The museum emails them back saying, Hey, that's really interesting.

931
00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:56.079
<v Speaker 1>We kind of want to get the shareffs involved with this,

932
00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Sheriff's office involved because if that's a human bone, we

933
00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:02.960
<v Speaker 1>need to take to look at it. So the email

934
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:05.119
<v Speaker 1>chain starts with the sheriff's office saying, Hey, we need

935
00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:06.800
<v Speaker 1>you to bring that bone in so we can test it,

936
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:11.920
<v Speaker 1>and all this other stuff and communication basically dies on

937
00:52:11.960 --> 00:52:14.639
<v Speaker 1>that point. The person doesn't seem to respond, and even

938
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:17.800
<v Speaker 1>in the email chain, they're saying, Hey, this person's not responding.

939
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:19.760
<v Speaker 1>This is getting weird. We need to go out and

940
00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:24.840
<v Speaker 1>test this bone or whatever. And that's kind of where

941
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:27.159
<v Speaker 1>we're at. I've there was a picture of the bone.

942
00:52:27.159 --> 00:52:28.679
<v Speaker 1>I should have said that there's a picture of the bone.

943
00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:31.079
<v Speaker 1>It's the very bottom of an email chain, and it

944
00:52:31.159 --> 00:52:36.800
<v Speaker 1>is a mandible. It's a bottom jawbone. It looks very thick.

945
00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:43.039
<v Speaker 1>There's a few teeth. The teeth, from what I understand,

946
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:48.239
<v Speaker 1>they're different in number from what's usual. But that could

947
00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:50.360
<v Speaker 1>be because I've someone has told me that that could

948
00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:52.920
<v Speaker 1>be like a native a Native American thing or something

949
00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:55.480
<v Speaker 1>like that. But the teeth, look, there's not as many

950
00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:57.480
<v Speaker 1>as there should be from what it looks like. And

951
00:52:57.519 --> 00:52:59.519
<v Speaker 1>so I've had one person look at this. I don't

952
00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:02.840
<v Speaker 1>want to mention that name, but credible person works with

953
00:53:03.239 --> 00:53:06.119
<v Speaker 1>bones a lot, and he thinks it's very unique. He's

954
00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:09.000
<v Speaker 1>never seen anything like it. And he said that, yeah,

955
00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:13.480
<v Speaker 1>it could be what he thinks of baby Bigfoot. And

956
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:18.400
<v Speaker 1>I was kind of obviously I wanted some more answers. Unfortunately,

957
00:53:18.519 --> 00:53:21.639
<v Speaker 1>all we have is one photo of that bone. So

958
00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:25.599
<v Speaker 1>I reached out to my friend Doug Hicheck. He was

959
00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:29.519
<v Speaker 1>the producer of Monster Quest and he's a pretty influential

960
00:53:29.559 --> 00:53:32.599
<v Speaker 1>name in the community, I should say, great guy, nice guy,

961
00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:34.559
<v Speaker 1>and so I asked him if he could take a

962
00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:37.880
<v Speaker 1>look at it. And he has sent that bone to

963
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:40.639
<v Speaker 1>I believe, two different people to take a look at it.

964
00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:44.400
<v Speaker 1>So we're waiting on what they're gonna say about it.

965
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:47.559
<v Speaker 1>We are waiting on that. But it's interesting. It is

966
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:53.239
<v Speaker 1>an interesting looking bone. I'll just say that. Yeah. And

967
00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:57.119
<v Speaker 1>you hear about these stories about people with personal collections

968
00:53:57.199 --> 00:54:01.920
<v Speaker 1>and being locked away and stuff like that, and that's

969
00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:04.639
<v Speaker 1>actually what happened in this case. This guy was a biologist.

970
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:06.800
<v Speaker 1>He knew what he was. He knew or didn't know

971
00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:08.320
<v Speaker 1>when he was looking at either way, it kind of

972
00:54:08.360 --> 00:54:12.320
<v Speaker 1>stumped him. So he's orded that bone for about thirty years.

973
00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:15.559
<v Speaker 1>The email chain was from two thousand and nine. So

974
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:19.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to get a little bit more information. Everything's

975
00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:21.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of coming up on a dead end so far,

976
00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:26.760
<v Speaker 1>but hopefully Doug will come back with some information. Even

977
00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:29.239
<v Speaker 1>if it's a I really don't want to believe it's

978
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:31.360
<v Speaker 1>a person, because if it is a person, then it's

979
00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:33.360
<v Speaker 1>a child and I don't want to, you know, I

980
00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:36.719
<v Speaker 1>don't want to think about what they went through unfortunately

981
00:54:36.760 --> 00:54:40.920
<v Speaker 1>out there. But it'll be interesting to see what does

982
00:54:41.000 --> 00:54:43.599
<v Speaker 1>come out of this because the bone does look weird,

983
00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:45.639
<v Speaker 1>it's thicker. The people have talked to so that Scott

984
00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:47.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, doesn't have as many teams. That should so

985
00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:53.440
<v Speaker 1>interesting stuff, I think. Yeah, I'll definitely try to make

986
00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:57.039
<v Speaker 1>it public when we hear about what it is. Obviously.

987
00:54:57.360 --> 00:54:59.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's kind of, you know, something I've thought

988
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:02.840
<v Speaker 2>about over the years as people ask, you know, well

989
00:55:02.840 --> 00:55:05.960
<v Speaker 2>where are the bones? What would you even know one

990
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:06.840
<v Speaker 2>if you saw one?

991
00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:08.400
<v Speaker 1>You know? Right?

992
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:12.599
<v Speaker 2>And here we have a situation where, like you're saying,

993
00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:17.119
<v Speaker 2>a biologist was stumped enough that he held onto it

994
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:20.880
<v Speaker 2>for thirty plus years and it got passed on and

995
00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:24.280
<v Speaker 2>that person thought it was odd enough to reach out

996
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:25.679
<v Speaker 2>and try to figure out what it was.

997
00:55:26.760 --> 00:55:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's weird. It's a weird looking bone that we're

998
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:31.519
<v Speaker 1>hoping to get some answers on.

999
00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:35.920
<v Speaker 2>So what is your upcoming documentary are you going to

1000
00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:37.400
<v Speaker 2>focus on that you're working on?

1001
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:43.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the upcoming documentary is going to focus on the reports,

1002
00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:47.039
<v Speaker 1>the actual hard data of the nine on one phone calls,

1003
00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:50.000
<v Speaker 1>the police reports, the federal reports. I'm going to be

1004
00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:52.639
<v Speaker 1>going to the location I mentioned of the Harrison County

1005
00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:55.559
<v Speaker 1>phone call where that happened. I've spoken with a witness

1006
00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:58.679
<v Speaker 1>and maybe going up there very soon if we get

1007
00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:01.000
<v Speaker 1>some measurements, talk to them, see what comes out of that.

1008
00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:05.559
<v Speaker 1>And then also in that area, there was the infamous

1009
00:56:05.559 --> 00:56:09.480
<v Speaker 1>i should say Kasachi National Forest incident that took place

1010
00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:12.320
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty four where a group of kids had

1011
00:56:12.360 --> 00:56:16.199
<v Speaker 1>to be evacuated from Kassaschi National Forest because of a

1012
00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:19.760
<v Speaker 1>bipedal creature with like glowing eyes that was growling at them.

1013
00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:22.280
<v Speaker 1>And I have the ninety one to one phone call.

1014
00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:24.079
<v Speaker 1>We're going to be going to that area. I have

1015
00:56:24.199 --> 00:56:29.159
<v Speaker 1>the actual coordinates of that area. So I'm hoping to

1016
00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:32.199
<v Speaker 1>go back and finding like an abandoned campsite out there.

1017
00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:34.800
<v Speaker 1>How crazy would that be just to find a completely

1018
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:38.280
<v Speaker 1>abandoned campsite where these kids were because they left in

1019
00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:41.679
<v Speaker 1>a hurry. The ranger went out there, took him several

1020
00:56:41.719 --> 00:56:45.480
<v Speaker 1>hours to get out there evacuated these kids. The only

1021
00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:49.760
<v Speaker 1>four YA information I got was from the Natatotia sheriff's office,

1022
00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:52.800
<v Speaker 1>which is the neighboring county, I guess from the Kassaschi

1023
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:56.239
<v Speaker 1>National Forest. That's basically a national forest. It falls under

1024
00:56:56.280 --> 00:57:00.840
<v Speaker 1>the National Park you know, bureau or whatever. They should

1025
00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:05.360
<v Speaker 1>have had a report about this incident, especially since multiple

1026
00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:09.159
<v Speaker 1>kids were being evacuated. They had no information on it,

1027
00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:12.800
<v Speaker 1>absolutely none, which to me is kind of concerning that

1028
00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:16.119
<v Speaker 1>these kids had to be evacuated and the federal government

1029
00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:17.599
<v Speaker 1>is saying, yeah, we don't know anything about that.

1030
00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:18.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's weird.

1031
00:57:18.840 --> 00:57:22.719
<v Speaker 1>That's just wild to me. That's really crazy. I don't know.

1032
00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know a guy that went to the location,

1033
00:57:26.400 --> 00:57:28.599
<v Speaker 2>I think with one of the guys that had to

1034
00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:29.440
<v Speaker 2>be evacuated.

1035
00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:32.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, that's wild. Yeah. I've spoken with the witness

1036
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:34.880
<v Speaker 1>and they are younger people. I know that, and I'm

1037
00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:36.440
<v Speaker 1>trying to get him to go back out there, but

1038
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:37.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he wants to.

1039
00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:43.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So odd, especially whenever you know a specific event,

1040
00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:49.199
<v Speaker 2>it's recent, you know it happened, and then law enforcement

1041
00:57:49.360 --> 00:57:52.320
<v Speaker 2>is telling you that they have no record of it exactly.

1042
00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:58.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's unexplainable. So I'm sure you've probably heard about

1043
00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:01.079
<v Speaker 1>the the no taking of stuff eight Clause have you

1044
00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:04.840
<v Speaker 1>heard about this in Florida? Yes, okay, so I have

1045
00:58:05.039 --> 00:58:08.639
<v Speaker 1>without a doubt the reason why that was implemented. I

1046
00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:11.519
<v Speaker 1>did a Freedom of Information Act request and I actually

1047
00:58:11.519 --> 00:58:14.920
<v Speaker 1>did it through the US Parks and Wildlife, and I

1048
00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:18.760
<v Speaker 1>had actually we had a meeting, a phone meeting me

1049
00:58:20.119 --> 00:58:25.599
<v Speaker 1>the one of the managers of the department, I guess

1050
00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:27.760
<v Speaker 1>you should say, and then another one of his calling.

1051
00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:29.800
<v Speaker 1>We all had a three way meeting and I basically

1052
00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:32.360
<v Speaker 1>told him what I was looking for, and they thought

1053
00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:36.480
<v Speaker 1>it was really interesting, and so told him about that.

1054
00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:39.119
<v Speaker 1>A couple of months later, well a month or so later,

1055
00:58:39.440 --> 00:58:42.639
<v Speaker 1>they sent me back some information, and I think this

1056
00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:45.000
<v Speaker 1>is probably one of the more interesting pieces they sent me.

1057
00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:48.360
<v Speaker 1>It's the reason there is a no taking of stonecake clause.

1058
00:58:48.400 --> 00:58:51.000
<v Speaker 1>And I'll just read you the clag real quick. It's

1059
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:54.880
<v Speaker 1>says specific hunt regulations hogs, no size or bag limit

1060
00:58:54.920 --> 00:58:57.760
<v Speaker 1>for POGs, take them all. Take the hogs during any

1061
00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:03.000
<v Speaker 1>hunt season except spring and waterfowl in designated archery areas

1062
00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:06.440
<v Speaker 1>only ce map only bows and crossbows allowed. Coyote may

1063
00:59:06.480 --> 00:59:10.880
<v Speaker 1>be taken during archery, muzzle loader, general gun and family

1064
00:59:10.960 --> 00:59:13.360
<v Speaker 1>hunt seasons. At the bottom, it says there is no

1065
00:59:13.519 --> 00:59:17.199
<v Speaker 1>taking of swamp or skunk apes. So that was a real,

1066
00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:21.639
<v Speaker 1>absolutely real document that or a document that was implemented,

1067
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:25.039
<v Speaker 1>and I have the reason why that was split up

1068
00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:27.840
<v Speaker 1>here I have. This is the letter I'm going to

1069
00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:33.280
<v Speaker 1>read you guys. This was taken by the Refuge manager

1070
00:59:33.679 --> 00:59:36.360
<v Speaker 1>of one of the areas here. This was the reason

1071
00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:40.960
<v Speaker 1>I was implemented. It's a subject bigfoot or sasquatch in

1072
00:59:41.280 --> 00:59:44.920
<v Speaker 1>R two and R four those are thettle regions, and

1073
00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:49.400
<v Speaker 1>this is what he wrote. While I do not have

1074
00:59:49.480 --> 00:59:53.000
<v Speaker 1>an easily findable administrative record of this phone call, I

1075
00:59:53.079 --> 00:59:56.719
<v Speaker 1>may have a handwritten note in my yearly notebooks. In

1076
00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:59.719
<v Speaker 1>or around twenty eighteen, I received a phone call from

1077
00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:02.360
<v Speaker 1>this tell me who had a YouTube channel. In his

1078
01:00:02.519 --> 01:00:05.079
<v Speaker 1>phone call, the gentleman thanked the Refuge for stating in

1079
01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:08.239
<v Speaker 1>our annual hunt brochures that there's no taking of skunk

1080
01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:13.719
<v Speaker 1>or swamp apes during our hunt seasons. I was inclined

1081
01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:16.320
<v Speaker 1>to include this no take clause in the annual hunt

1082
01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:20.800
<v Speaker 1>brochure due to an undocumented in person conversation I had

1083
01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:23.719
<v Speaker 1>with a hunter who advocated me not to allow this

1084
01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:26.760
<v Speaker 1>and to clearly state it in our hunt brochure. This

1085
01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:30.000
<v Speaker 1>I did. The gentleman who had the YouTube channel then

1086
01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:33.400
<v Speaker 1>phoned me as he hunts in the Lower Swanee, NWR.

1087
01:00:33.960 --> 01:00:36.280
<v Speaker 1>He spoke with me for close to one hour and

1088
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:38.480
<v Speaker 1>exhorted me to look at his channel and to see

1089
01:00:38.519 --> 01:00:42.679
<v Speaker 1>the lengthy interviews with Dixie and Lee County refuge hunters

1090
01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:46.400
<v Speaker 1>who witnessed the swamp or skunky that is what they

1091
01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:51.000
<v Speaker 1>refer to in this part of the United States. So

1092
01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:55.480
<v Speaker 1>that is the reason that was implemented. This person, this

1093
01:00:55.679 --> 01:00:58.679
<v Speaker 1>manager of the refuge, had a conversation with a hunter

1094
01:00:58.760 --> 01:01:02.920
<v Speaker 1>out there. I wonder what this hunter might have shown him,

1095
01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:06.960
<v Speaker 1>would have told him to convince this person to include

1096
01:01:06.960 --> 01:01:09.599
<v Speaker 1>that in there brochure. That's just wild to me.

1097
01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:12.880
<v Speaker 2>There's no way that was just a run of the

1098
01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:14.199
<v Speaker 2>mill conversation.

1099
01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:20.280
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely right, And it's conveniently he said, it's conveniently. It's

1100
01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:22.559
<v Speaker 1>not I might have a note about it, you know,

1101
01:01:23.119 --> 01:01:29.000
<v Speaker 1>conveniently undocumented. That's what he said. That's just crazy to me. Yeah,

1102
01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:31.320
<v Speaker 1>So I would have really loved to see what this

1103
01:01:31.400 --> 01:01:34.559
<v Speaker 1>guy told him, what he showed him, But it was

1104
01:01:34.679 --> 01:01:36.760
<v Speaker 1>enough for him to be Okay, dude, you convince me,

1105
01:01:36.800 --> 01:01:39.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm putting that in there. Yeah, that's exactly what happened.

1106
01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:42.320
<v Speaker 1>This guy was good enough to convince him let's put

1107
01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:42.679
<v Speaker 1>it in there.

1108
01:01:43.400 --> 01:01:47.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, my mind's just racing with what it could

1109
01:01:47.719 --> 01:01:50.960
<v Speaker 2>have been. Like, I mean, I've heard I've had a

1110
01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:56.519
<v Speaker 2>guest on this show that had an absolute crazy encounter

1111
01:01:56.840 --> 01:02:00.599
<v Speaker 2>story from Florida. And this was a guy who's not

1112
01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:04.920
<v Speaker 2>in the bigfoot world or into Bigfoot at all. It

1113
01:02:04.960 --> 01:02:08.639
<v Speaker 2>was just a random chance thing where I ran across

1114
01:02:08.760 --> 01:02:12.159
<v Speaker 2>him on the Internet and was like, hey, would you

1115
01:02:12.199 --> 01:02:15.960
<v Speaker 2>mind sharing your story? And it's one that stands out

1116
01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:20.119
<v Speaker 2>for sure. I've heard some absolute crazy stories from Florida

1117
01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:25.000
<v Speaker 2>where I don't know. Everybody always talks about hearing that

1118
01:02:25.039 --> 01:02:29.920
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot are more aggressive in Oklahoma and Texas, but right

1119
01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:33.320
<v Speaker 2>it sounds like to me that there's some pretty aggressive

1120
01:02:33.320 --> 01:02:34.719
<v Speaker 2>stuff with the SKUNKCP going on.

1121
01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:37.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, No, it definitely sounds like it. And I

1122
01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:39.440
<v Speaker 1>think they know a little bit more in the parks

1123
01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:43.280
<v Speaker 1>and stuff then they're kind of alluding to. Because with

1124
01:02:43.400 --> 01:02:47.079
<v Speaker 1>that same FOYA, I got an internal email basically kind

1125
01:02:47.079 --> 01:02:48.840
<v Speaker 1>of this was never meant to, never meant to go

1126
01:02:48.920 --> 01:02:50.960
<v Speaker 1>to the public or whatever. But I'll just read a

1127
01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:53.400
<v Speaker 1>portion of it. The title of it is called track

1128
01:02:53.480 --> 01:02:57.239
<v Speaker 1>casts and it says, hey, lets mention the name. I

1129
01:02:57.360 --> 01:03:00.320
<v Speaker 1>checked the tracks today about eleven pm today. None of

1130
01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:03.920
<v Speaker 1>them were completely dry. The bigfoot track was most dry,

1131
01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:07.679
<v Speaker 1>but the tolls were still wet, probably because we use

1132
01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:10.000
<v Speaker 1>the remixed plaster on those and the plaster we mix

1133
01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:12.599
<v Speaker 1>in the field on the rest of the foot. I'm

1134
01:03:12.639 --> 01:03:14.480
<v Speaker 1>going to give them all another two days to dry

1135
01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:16.360
<v Speaker 1>before I go back, before I go back out to

1136
01:03:16.400 --> 01:03:19.960
<v Speaker 1>get them, and it says if they're still not dry Wednesday,

1137
01:03:20.199 --> 01:03:21.960
<v Speaker 1>I'll make some new ones on the tracks I can

1138
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:25.280
<v Speaker 1>find out there with the correct plaster or Paris procedures.

1139
01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:30.239
<v Speaker 1>So right there, that's an employee of a park in

1140
01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Florida saying, Hey, I'm gonna be you know, casting those

1141
01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:35.039
<v Speaker 1>big foot tracks again for you, and if if those

1142
01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:37.039
<v Speaker 1>don't work, I'll go I'll go out to where there's

1143
01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:39.159
<v Speaker 1>more and i'll cast those. You're not saying like I'll

1144
01:03:39.159 --> 01:03:41.480
<v Speaker 1>fake some more or anything like that. Yeah, he's saying,

1145
01:03:41.519 --> 01:03:43.119
<v Speaker 1>I'll go to the area where we're seeing them and

1146
01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:45.599
<v Speaker 1>I'll get some more. To me, that's just crazy. This

1147
01:03:45.639 --> 01:03:47.599
<v Speaker 1>was never meant to see the light of day by.

1148
01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:52.760
<v Speaker 2>The public and just out calling them big foot tracks.

1149
01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Just like that wow, like they're all over the area.

1150
01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:57.880
<v Speaker 1>It's it's wild to me, but just nonchalantly saying it.

1151
01:03:58.599 --> 01:04:00.280
<v Speaker 1>I want to end it with I think is the

1152
01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:05.559
<v Speaker 1>greatest bigfoot sighting documentation I've ever I've ever received, I've

1153
01:04:05.559 --> 01:04:08.559
<v Speaker 1>ever seen before. And I got this through a Freedom

1154
01:04:08.599 --> 01:04:13.880
<v Speaker 1>of information active quest to the Federal Bureau of Indian Affairs,

1155
01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:16.159
<v Speaker 1>and I was I was really shocked at this one.

1156
01:04:16.199 --> 01:04:19.000
<v Speaker 1>They told me they had over like three thousand reports

1157
01:04:19.039 --> 01:04:21.320
<v Speaker 1>that they were like withholding or whatever. They only gave

1158
01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:24.679
<v Speaker 1>me one report, and it's freaking unbelievable. I can only

1159
01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:27.880
<v Speaker 1>imagine what the rest of these reports look like. And

1160
01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:30.159
<v Speaker 1>they sent me a folder that was the very this

1161
01:04:30.320 --> 01:04:32.840
<v Speaker 1>is line somewhere in an archive somewhere in the Bureau

1162
01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:37.000
<v Speaker 1>of Indian Affairs. The folder literally says incident report or

1163
01:04:37.000 --> 01:04:40.440
<v Speaker 1>incident report number two three one eight six, twenty five

1164
01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:42.920
<v Speaker 1>seventy eight. So this took place in nineteen seventy eight,

1165
01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:47.599
<v Speaker 1>and it says redacted residents, animal or bigfoot. That's what

1166
01:04:47.719 --> 01:04:51.079
<v Speaker 1>it says in the file folder. And I'll just read

1167
01:04:51.159 --> 01:04:54.280
<v Speaker 1>you what kind of kicked off everything. There's a multipage

1168
01:04:54.280 --> 01:04:58.639
<v Speaker 1>investigation that went on. We've got multiple agencies out there

1169
01:04:58.679 --> 01:05:02.360
<v Speaker 1>taking a look in what hurted everything was? It says

1170
01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:04.519
<v Speaker 1>it right here. June twenty fifth, nineteen seventy eight, on

1171
01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:08.639
<v Speaker 1>a Sunday, at around eight forty nine pm, this woman

1172
01:05:08.719 --> 01:05:12.679
<v Speaker 1>calls and it says narrative of information received redacted. Called

1173
01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:16.159
<v Speaker 1>and requested an officer to redact it. She advised she'd

1174
01:05:16.199 --> 01:05:19.440
<v Speaker 1>seen an animal or bigfoot by her residence. Needs someone

1175
01:05:19.480 --> 01:05:22.519
<v Speaker 1>to check it out. And then it says see investigation report.

1176
01:05:23.639 --> 01:05:27.639
<v Speaker 1>So this woman basically called the authorities because she believed

1177
01:05:27.639 --> 01:05:30.159
<v Speaker 1>she had an encounter with a bigfoot. And I'm going

1178
01:05:30.239 --> 01:05:33.400
<v Speaker 1>to read you with a special agent in charge. The

1179
01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Federal Bureau agent wrote about this is that there's a

1180
01:05:37.280 --> 01:05:39.480
<v Speaker 1>handwritten thing from the witness and everything. It's a really

1181
01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:43.119
<v Speaker 1>cool it's a really cool thing. It says subject animal

1182
01:05:43.159 --> 01:05:46.920
<v Speaker 1>are bigfoot seen by residents and it's to the agency.

1183
01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:51.159
<v Speaker 1>Special officer Officer adacted. I checked the area where the

1184
01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:56.000
<v Speaker 1>animal was seen. I had officer redacted and conservation officer

1185
01:05:56.119 --> 01:06:00.519
<v Speaker 1>big redaction with me. Officer adacted myself walk up to

1186
01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:04.280
<v Speaker 1>where this animal was seen. The conservation officers drove up

1187
01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:07.920
<v Speaker 1>to the green water tank located above Galtz Euro Flats

1188
01:06:08.440 --> 01:06:11.280
<v Speaker 1>After checking the area, the only thing found which cracks

1189
01:06:11.320 --> 01:06:14.840
<v Speaker 1>belonging to a bear. Officer Adapted said he would put

1190
01:06:14.840 --> 01:06:18.800
<v Speaker 1>a bear trap in that area. Officer Adapted also advised

1191
01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:21.280
<v Speaker 1>that due to the dry weather, it is causing the

1192
01:06:21.320 --> 01:06:23.960
<v Speaker 1>animals to come down from the mountain looking for water

1193
01:06:24.079 --> 01:06:28.280
<v Speaker 1>and food. The persons who saw the animal were redacted.

1194
01:06:29.079 --> 01:06:32.159
<v Speaker 1>Both persons said that the animal they saw was standing

1195
01:06:32.239 --> 01:06:35.760
<v Speaker 1>up and his hands were in the air. Both subjects

1196
01:06:35.760 --> 01:06:40.199
<v Speaker 1>were frightened. They then began telling me. They then began

1197
01:06:40.239 --> 01:06:42.760
<v Speaker 1>telling me that they had heard that bigfoot was seen

1198
01:06:42.800 --> 01:06:46.079
<v Speaker 1>in Headsprings and what they saw they were sure was

1199
01:06:46.119 --> 01:06:49.280
<v Speaker 1>a bigfoot. I advised them we would go up and

1200
01:06:49.400 --> 01:06:53.320
<v Speaker 1>check the area. So there you have it. I think

1201
01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:57.079
<v Speaker 1>that's crazy. You've got these native people on the Mescalero

1202
01:06:57.159 --> 01:07:02.639
<v Speaker 1>Apache Reservation in New Mexico encountering I believe a bigfoot

1203
01:07:02.800 --> 01:07:04.719
<v Speaker 1>and they know what a bear looks like.

1204
01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:05.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they know.

1205
01:07:06.039 --> 01:07:08.039
<v Speaker 1>I think they know what a bigfoot looks like. Now,

1206
01:07:09.239 --> 01:07:11.840
<v Speaker 1>so I to me, this is and there's again there's

1207
01:07:11.880 --> 01:07:14.840
<v Speaker 1>a handwritten witness thing and everything. To me, this is

1208
01:07:14.840 --> 01:07:18.159
<v Speaker 1>the greatest bigfoot incident of all time. We've got multiple

1209
01:07:18.159 --> 01:07:22.880
<v Speaker 1>agencies involved, We've got the report. It's insane, like these

1210
01:07:22.920 --> 01:07:25.719
<v Speaker 1>people were so scared they called the reservation officer saying, hey,

1211
01:07:25.719 --> 01:07:27.719
<v Speaker 1>we need help with this. They went out there. At

1212
01:07:27.800 --> 01:07:30.559
<v Speaker 1>least at least six officers were out there investigating the area.

1213
01:07:31.119 --> 01:07:33.679
<v Speaker 1>We have no photos of these alleged bear tracks. I

1214
01:07:33.719 --> 01:07:34.320
<v Speaker 1>think they were just.

1215
01:07:34.400 --> 01:07:38.119
<v Speaker 2>Kind of this is going to be the official statement

1216
01:07:38.159 --> 01:07:38.599
<v Speaker 2>on record.

1217
01:07:38.679 --> 01:07:42.000
<v Speaker 1>It was exactly exactly right. We don't have any bear prints,

1218
01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:43.760
<v Speaker 1>even though we should have photos and all that stuff,

1219
01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:47.079
<v Speaker 1>no measurements, they should have mentioned all that type of stuff. Nothing.

1220
01:07:47.960 --> 01:07:50.119
<v Speaker 1>But I think these people who've been in this area

1221
01:07:50.159 --> 01:07:52.360
<v Speaker 1>for a really long time know exactly what they saw.

1222
01:07:52.800 --> 01:07:55.719
<v Speaker 1>I think they saw a bigfoot And to me that's

1223
01:07:55.760 --> 01:07:58.880
<v Speaker 1>obvious just reading reading you know, their reports and stuff.

1224
01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:02.639
<v Speaker 2>And they said that they had three thousand incidents that

1225
01:08:02.719 --> 01:08:04.079
<v Speaker 2>they're not releasing.

1226
01:08:04.320 --> 01:08:08.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they had like three thousand, Yeah, three thousand documents

1227
01:08:08.280 --> 01:08:11.320
<v Speaker 1>they couldn't release. To me, Wow, this is just one

1228
01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:13.880
<v Speaker 1>that took place in nineteen seventy eighth. It's been hiding

1229
01:08:13.920 --> 01:08:18.279
<v Speaker 1>since nineteen seventy eight, and it's just it's fascinating to me.

1230
01:08:18.520 --> 01:08:20.960
<v Speaker 1>It's just incredible. I've heard of a lot of stuff

1231
01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:26.520
<v Speaker 1>happening on Native American reservations. You hear these stories, we

1232
01:08:26.680 --> 01:08:28.800
<v Speaker 1>have it. Now, we have it as it's a fact

1233
01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:31.640
<v Speaker 1>now that this has been reported, and it must have

1234
01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:34.199
<v Speaker 1>been reported more than once. They're talking about another siding

1235
01:08:34.239 --> 01:08:36.520
<v Speaker 1>that took place in Head Springs, which is like a

1236
01:08:36.520 --> 01:08:40.279
<v Speaker 1>neighboring area. So I think they have a lot more

1237
01:08:40.319 --> 01:08:45.039
<v Speaker 1>information than what they've released to me, And it's a shame.

1238
01:08:45.079 --> 01:08:46.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't think we're ever going to get that, but

1239
01:08:46.800 --> 01:08:50.079
<v Speaker 1>at least we got this disreport here, and I think

1240
01:08:50.079 --> 01:08:52.039
<v Speaker 1>it's really kind of like a gold standard. It's just

1241
01:08:52.079 --> 01:08:54.880
<v Speaker 1>it's incredible. It's from the Bureau of Indian Affairs. You're

1242
01:08:55.000 --> 01:08:59.680
<v Speaker 1>never going to get anything from an Indian reservation. Those communities,

1243
01:08:59.720 --> 01:09:01.439
<v Speaker 1>they don't they're not you know, they don't have to

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01:09:01.479 --> 01:09:05.680
<v Speaker 1>release anything, right, So yeah, this is just kind of

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01:09:05.680 --> 01:09:08.840
<v Speaker 1>a really lucky to get that report.

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<v Speaker 2>With the United States, what are the laws? What information

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01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:17.279
<v Speaker 2>are they required to give you whenever you put in

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01:09:17.319 --> 01:09:17.960
<v Speaker 2>a request?

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01:09:18.600 --> 01:09:21.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, they have these exemptions and the inventions kind of

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01:09:21.239 --> 01:09:23.960
<v Speaker 1>blocked in from a lot of stuff like and they're

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01:09:24.039 --> 01:09:26.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of blanket exemptions. They're really wise, so they can

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01:09:26.680 --> 01:09:28.239
<v Speaker 1>deny you for all types of stuff. Like one of

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01:09:28.319 --> 01:09:32.359
<v Speaker 1>the things I'll say, like, if it's a national security issue,

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01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:35.039
<v Speaker 1>they don't have to tell you. If it's an ongoing investigation,

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01:09:35.079 --> 01:09:38.399
<v Speaker 1>they don't have to tell you things like of that nature.

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01:09:38.399 --> 01:09:43.640
<v Speaker 1>And I have received the ongoing investigation when a couple

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01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:46.880
<v Speaker 1>of times I have gotten that. But a lot of

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01:09:46.880 --> 01:09:49.479
<v Speaker 1>this stuff it should be out for the general republic.

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01:09:50.119 --> 01:09:53.560
<v Speaker 1>But again, they'll use these kind of blanket exemptions to

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01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:55.880
<v Speaker 1>get away with not giving you everything. Like the same

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01:09:55.880 --> 01:09:57.960
<v Speaker 1>thing with the Florida thing. Florida was like, we have

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01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:01.840
<v Speaker 1>X amount of documents, but we can only give you

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01:10:02.119 --> 01:10:07.720
<v Speaker 1>X amount of documents just for you know, those exemptions.

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01:10:07.800 --> 01:10:10.399
<v Speaker 1>Really and again they're just kind of blanket exemptions that

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01:10:11.319 --> 01:10:13.920
<v Speaker 1>you can appeal. That's a thing you can't appeal. But

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<v Speaker 1>I've never had really any luck and appeal. I think

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01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:20.279
<v Speaker 1>I did one. It was like a first state one,

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01:10:20.600 --> 01:10:22.560
<v Speaker 1>and that one I got lucky that they gained the

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01:10:22.600 --> 01:10:26.079
<v Speaker 1>information from that one. But they're pretty much saying like, oh,

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01:10:26.159 --> 01:10:28.640
<v Speaker 1>let's it's you know, let them appeal and then that'll

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01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:32.920
<v Speaker 1>give us like a year or two too kind of

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01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:35.279
<v Speaker 1>get their things in order to where they'll give you

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01:10:35.319 --> 01:10:38.199
<v Speaker 1>more of a definition of why it was exempt or

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01:10:38.199 --> 01:10:43.920
<v Speaker 1>whatever on their time, on their time exactly, they'll deny

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01:10:43.960 --> 01:10:45.319
<v Speaker 1>it right away and they'll be like, oh, if he

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01:10:45.359 --> 01:10:47.079
<v Speaker 1>follows an appeal, and it'll be like a year and

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01:10:47.119 --> 01:10:49.439
<v Speaker 1>we can we can get everything we need to. Basically

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01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:53.119
<v Speaker 1>says it's exactly because of this reason on their time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, as we move into the digital age,

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01:10:58.760 --> 01:11:00.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm sure a lot of this stuff has

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01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:05.159
<v Speaker 2>been lost if it was ever kept to begin with.

1282
01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:11.119
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, it's just crazy to think about how much

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01:11:11.119 --> 01:11:12.000
<v Speaker 2>stuff's been lost.

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01:11:12.239 --> 01:11:15.359
<v Speaker 1>I think about that a lot, so much, So much

1285
01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:19.319
<v Speaker 1>stuff has been lost nine to one one phone calls videos.

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01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:21.920
<v Speaker 1>I remember I was trying to find an alleged video

1287
01:11:22.039 --> 01:11:25.479
<v Speaker 1>that was taken in East Texas in like the eighties.

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01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:28.359
<v Speaker 1>They clearly stated they recorded this and like sent it

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01:11:28.359 --> 01:11:30.520
<v Speaker 1>to the sheriff's office. It was a dead end. I

1290
01:11:30.520 --> 01:11:32.920
<v Speaker 1>haven't able to find anything on that, which I thought

1291
01:11:32.960 --> 01:11:35.720
<v Speaker 1>would have been very amazing. I have gotten that one photo,

1292
01:11:35.840 --> 01:11:38.800
<v Speaker 1>but that's because again I jumped on it literally the

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01:11:38.920 --> 01:11:41.560
<v Speaker 1>day it happened, or the next day it happens. So

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01:11:42.720 --> 01:11:45.079
<v Speaker 1>I mean we've lost it. Yeah. Again, We've just lost

1295
01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:49.079
<v Speaker 1>so much. We've lost more than we've gained. Unfortunately, that's

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01:11:49.079 --> 01:11:49.560
<v Speaker 1>the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm looking forward to the book. Yeah, I'm going

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01:11:56.880 --> 01:12:02.279
<v Speaker 2>to enjoy going through this for sure. You know, if

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01:12:02.319 --> 01:12:04.359
<v Speaker 2>someone isn't me, how can they get the book.

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01:12:04.600 --> 01:12:08.920
<v Speaker 1>It's on Amazon. It is Bigfoot The Redacted Truth. My

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01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:11.960
<v Speaker 1>name is Eric Palassos and the author and you guys

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01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:15.680
<v Speaker 1>are interested in actually getting some hard datus, some reports

1303
01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:20.680
<v Speaker 1>that actually say Bigfoot in report. You know, please consider

1304
01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:24.399
<v Speaker 1>taking a look at my book. I think I think

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01:12:24.399 --> 01:12:27.279
<v Speaker 1>it's good for anyone's collection really to have because it's

1306
01:12:27.319 --> 01:12:29.960
<v Speaker 1>it's it's tangible, it's stat of it, it's it's there,

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01:12:30.079 --> 01:12:33.079
<v Speaker 1>it's it's something that I put a lot of work

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01:12:33.119 --> 01:12:36.079
<v Speaker 1>into and I'm proud of it. And it's my first book.

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01:12:36.079 --> 01:12:38.720
<v Speaker 1>So it's not gonna be perfect, but you know, hopefully

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01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:40.600
<v Speaker 1>i'll be able to with I still have a lot

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01:12:40.600 --> 01:12:42.359
<v Speaker 1>of foyers that are out right now, so we didn't

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01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:45.720
<v Speaker 1>get information back. So this goes well that I might

1313
01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:48.119
<v Speaker 1>try to write another one, maybe with that information about

1314
01:12:48.159 --> 01:12:49.880
<v Speaker 1>the bone that we get from Doug. I still have

1315
01:12:49.920 --> 01:12:53.199
<v Speaker 1>a lot of stuff that's a lot of irons in

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01:12:53.239 --> 01:12:54.880
<v Speaker 1>the fire that I'm waiting to get back.

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01:12:55.680 --> 01:12:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would like you to write another one. I

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01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:03.840
<v Speaker 2>would like you to keep on pursuing this interest. It's

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01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:08.079
<v Speaker 2>fascinating to me. And uh, you know, thanks for doing it,

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01:13:08.439 --> 01:13:11.760
<v Speaker 2>if someone hasn't already told you, I mean, because this

1321
01:13:11.880 --> 01:13:13.920
<v Speaker 2>is a lot of time, effort, and money that goes

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01:13:13.920 --> 01:13:18.479
<v Speaker 2>into this project. And I for one, appreciate you doing it.

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01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:22.159
<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate that. That means a lotting and I

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01:13:22.199 --> 01:13:24.560
<v Speaker 1>appreciate what you do what you do. You're you're an

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01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:28.199
<v Speaker 1>independent and I you know, we've talked personally about how

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01:13:28.239 --> 01:13:32.319
<v Speaker 1>I feel about people being independent stuff like that, and yeah, no,

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01:13:32.439 --> 01:13:35.319
<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate what you're doing. Well.

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01:13:35.359 --> 01:13:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Thanks man. Maybe we can do some stuff together.

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01:13:39.199 --> 01:13:41.439
<v Speaker 1>Uh, definitely personally.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, something that would be interesting to me is

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01:13:43.880 --> 01:13:46.279
<v Speaker 2>if you expanded outside of Bigfoot eventually.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I do have some reports that are I

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01:13:50.720 --> 01:13:54.880
<v Speaker 1>have some Beast of Ray Road reports that I've got

1334
01:13:54.960 --> 01:13:59.760
<v Speaker 1>from Walworth County. It's really weird, it's really crazy. Uh.

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01:14:00.039 --> 01:14:02.600
<v Speaker 1>And then I have some did you hear a lot

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01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:05.199
<v Speaker 1>of that LBL talk and stuff. I do have some

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01:14:05.359 --> 01:14:09.319
<v Speaker 1>files from the LBL. I don't know about that whole

1338
01:14:09.399 --> 01:14:12.479
<v Speaker 1>massacre type of thing, but I have a really crazy

1339
01:14:12.560 --> 01:14:17.680
<v Speaker 1>story of them finding human remains in the lake there,

1340
01:14:17.840 --> 01:14:20.039
<v Speaker 1>which is just that the whole story is crazy. I

1341
01:14:20.039 --> 01:14:23.520
<v Speaker 1>have all the documentation for it, really wild stuff. So maybe, yeah,

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01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:25.760
<v Speaker 1>I might. I might do something to where it's just

1343
01:14:26.520 --> 01:14:31.279
<v Speaker 1>encompasses all these just weird reports that aren't necessarily Bigfoot related,

1344
01:14:31.319 --> 01:14:34.119
<v Speaker 1>but I would consider it encrypted related for sure.

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01:14:34.680 --> 01:14:40.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Hyenas man, Yeah, there are so many hyaena reports

1346
01:14:40.600 --> 01:14:43.159
<v Speaker 2>that I had. I've heard no clue, but like I

1347
01:14:43.520 --> 01:14:48.720
<v Speaker 2>talked to someone that like a lot of hyena reports

1348
01:14:49.119 --> 01:14:53.399
<v Speaker 2>for some reason, or things that are hyena shaped and

1349
01:14:53.520 --> 01:14:56.079
<v Speaker 2>resemble hyaenas in places that they shouldn't be.

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01:14:56.800 --> 01:14:58.840
<v Speaker 1>I've heard about that in like West Texas. I have

1351
01:14:58.960 --> 01:15:01.720
<v Speaker 1>heard of stuff like that, big big canines out there.

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01:15:01.760 --> 01:15:03.560
<v Speaker 1>My daddy can said again, an interaction with like a

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01:15:04.039 --> 01:15:06.159
<v Speaker 1>big caneine. Yeah, weird. Stust.

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01:15:06.880 --> 01:15:09.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, Eric, thanks for joining me and coming on and

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01:15:09.199 --> 01:15:12.000
<v Speaker 2>talking about this stuff. I've really enjoyed it. I will

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01:15:12.039 --> 01:15:16.039
<v Speaker 2>definitely have you back again, and I hope the listeners

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01:15:16.119 --> 01:15:17.319
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed it as much as I did.

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01:15:17.880 --> 01:15:19.520
<v Speaker 1>All Right, I appreciate you having me on and we'll

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01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:20.560
<v Speaker 1>definitely be talking soon.

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01:15:20.840 --> 01:15:23.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you've had your own encounter with Bigfoot or

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01:15:23.840 --> 01:15:25.800
<v Speaker 2>something else you can't explain, you'd like to report it

1362
01:15:25.840 --> 01:15:29.359
<v Speaker 2>to me email me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com.

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01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Check out the website Bigfoot Crossroads dot com. You can

1364
01:15:32.760 --> 01:15:36.640
<v Speaker 2>find links to the social media, merchandise, past episodes, everything

1365
01:15:36.680 --> 01:15:39.760
<v Speaker 2>you need all in one place, and until next time,

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01:15:39.840 --> 01:16:06.720
<v Speaker 2>remember there's something in the woods.

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<v Speaker 1>U