Speaker 1: I had heard about this, and when I seen it,
Speaker 1: I obviously I wonder if anybody did the foya. I
Speaker 1: don't think they did, so I did the FOYA. This
Speaker 1: is weird because these two incident reports, but they're like
Speaker 1: at least six nine one one calls on each incident report.
Speaker 1: People were seeing these multiple monkeys in the area. I'll
Speaker 1: read you this report here. It's actually into the book
Speaker 1: and it basically says that to ac from Mike King
Speaker 1: from the Department of Agriculture, requesting call from someone that
Speaker 1: could give him more information regarding the monkey situation. One
Speaker 1: of the news reports that happened, this woman was talking
Speaker 1: about how she had seen these things. They were taller
Speaker 1: than her garbage can or as tall as her garbage can,
Speaker 1: and had really long swinging arms. She didn't describe seeing
Speaker 1: a tailor or anything like that.
Speaker 2: This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name is Matt and joining
Speaker 2: me is Eric. You may remember him from episode one
Speaker 2: twenty seven where we were talking about the legend of
Speaker 2: Harryman Road and a few other things. Well, Eric's back
Speaker 2: because one of the things that we kind of jumped
Speaker 2: into on that episode was Eric digging around in old
Speaker 2: archives utilizing a little thing called the Freedom of Information
Speaker 2: Act to obtain records of possible Bigfoot reports. And Eric,
Speaker 2: I think you've kind of made that your bread and butter,
Speaker 2: haven't you.
Speaker 1: I've really focused on that. Yeah, in these last two
Speaker 1: three years, I kind of jumped into the whole bigfoot
Speaker 1: community with just an open mind, looking at different things.
Speaker 1: And I had seen that no one had really been
Speaker 1: utilizing the four yer request freedom of Information Act request
Speaker 1: on a federal or a state level. So my background
Speaker 1: is in public information, so I knew how to do
Speaker 1: a four yer request from doing other foyas, and I
Speaker 1: started submitting some foyas for different things I had heard
Speaker 1: about pertaining to the subject of Bigfoot or any type
Speaker 1: of unidentified bipedal creatures, any weird type of police reports,
Speaker 1: anything like that news that I could hear about. And
Speaker 1: to my shock, I actually got quite a few responses
Speaker 1: from these different requests from all over the country, and
Speaker 1: the majority of those are going to be found in
Speaker 1: the book that I just released. It's called Bigfoot The
Speaker 1: Redacted Truth, and it really goes into just my hunt
Speaker 1: over the last three three and a half years doing
Speaker 1: these full year quests and just the information in here
Speaker 1: is just kind of wild that nobody's really seen this
Speaker 1: stuff before on a federal and again on a state level.
Speaker 1: You just kind of you hear about different stories in
Speaker 1: anecdotal evidence, and that's all great and stuff, but I
Speaker 1: kind of wanted to lead into if there was any
Speaker 1: far data that we could actually measure, and I think
Speaker 1: I got lucky with doing these fo yeas because yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go over some of this stuff and it's
Speaker 1: kind of speaks for itself, and if we want to
Speaker 1: go into what we could even say there might be
Speaker 1: some type of a cover up angle here. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna go out and full full blown says it's a
Speaker 1: cover up, it's an intended cover up. But just going
Speaker 1: over the data, some of this stuff is just weird.
Speaker 1: A lot of things missing cases that were never finished,
Speaker 1: animals that remain unaccounted for. That with you know, our
Speaker 1: technology nowadays, with drones, dogs, we should be finding whatever
Speaker 1: these things are that the people are reporting. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd like to go over some of that with you
Speaker 1: if you're down for that.
Speaker 2: Lat Yeah, of course. I mean this is kind of
Speaker 2: like my thing. This is the sort of thing that
Speaker 2: really gets my juices flow and whenever it comes to
Speaker 2: this stuff, and it seems like your angle is something
Speaker 2: that would be a no brainer, that would have already
Speaker 2: been done. But like you're saying, I've been around for
Speaker 2: a pretty decent amount of time now and I was
Speaker 2: fortunate enough to hook up with some people that have
Speaker 2: been around a lot longer than me, and before you,
Speaker 2: I don't recall anybody ever really trying to approach it
Speaker 2: from this angle and find the paper trail, because we
Speaker 2: always hear stories about nine to one one calls, and
Speaker 2: we've heard the recordings and stuff, and we've heard about people,
Speaker 2: you know, making different reports, but you've actually had some
Speaker 2: pretty decent luck with obtaining actual records and copies of
Speaker 2: things where people did report this stuff and it did
Speaker 2: get put on record to some extent, and there was
Speaker 2: some investigations going on. So what's the story, man? Where
Speaker 2: is all this stuff going? Because, like you're saying, these
Speaker 2: investigations oftentimes seem to be open ended, or they just
Speaker 2: drop the case, or what do you think happened?
Speaker 1: That's a really good question. I mean, it almost seems
Speaker 1: like it's a it's an effort to kind of drop
Speaker 1: this cases, like it's it's they were kind of just told, hey,
Speaker 1: give this step or whatever. It's odd. I mean, and
Speaker 1: you mentioned before, not really that many people have been
Speaker 1: doing this, and that's kind of a shame because we've
Speaker 1: lost a lot of information that we could have received
Speaker 1: from certain incidents if we were able to get it,
Speaker 1: you know, in on time or you know, within the
Speaker 1: timeframe that some of this stuff takes place, because unfortunately,
Speaker 1: I've learned that a lot of these nine to one
Speaker 1: one calls these agencies stayed in federal they'll only hold
Speaker 1: these calls for like thirty sixty ninety days, so after that,
Speaker 1: there you're rased and it's gone from the record. Nobody
Speaker 1: ever hears from it. A lot of times there's not
Speaker 1: even a transcript for these calls, which is a shame.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I'll just go over probably the
Speaker 1: one that I think is one of the more interesting ones.
Speaker 1: I think we've kind of touched base on it the
Speaker 1: last time I was here, But to me, it's just
Speaker 1: super interesting because I believe it's the only ever bigfoot
Speaker 1: sighting to ever take place documented in a National park,
Speaker 1: and it actually took place in Dino National Park in Colorado,
Speaker 1: and this was in twenty twenty really strength circumstances, and
Speaker 1: I had the Foyer request. It's in the book, and
Speaker 1: I'm just going to read you a portion of this.
Speaker 1: It comes from the Department of Interior, that's the parent
Speaker 1: department of the National Park Service, And I mean everything
Speaker 1: was just pretty much redacted. And here the officer's name
Speaker 1: is redacted, the report author is redacted. We should have
Speaker 1: that information. We should have his badge number or the
Speaker 1: badge number is not even redacted. It's just not a list.
Speaker 1: So all that stuff just kind of seems really shady
Speaker 1: off the bat. And then we have in glaring letters
Speaker 1: at the very top. I've never seen this another four
Speaker 1: year request before. It says, please note as astris astris,
Speaker 1: this incident contains information that has not been approved by
Speaker 1: a supervisor. So right there, you're telling me, you know
Speaker 1: what's going on here. Something seems off, And yeah, I
Speaker 1: have the incident number here, we know it took place.
Speaker 1: I'll just read you the summer report. It basically says
Speaker 1: that mickfoot hunter's flocking to Yampa Bench Road report bone
Speaker 1: piles near road and bigfoot siding near Cleopatra's couch. Bone
Speaker 1: piles may be related to poaching, possible od camping along
Speaker 1: bench road, Unprepared visitors visiting area in the winter may
Speaker 1: result in increased risk of search and rescue. And it
Speaker 1: basically just says Cleopatrick's couch the area. So there we
Speaker 1: have it. This is the only I believe incident report
Speaker 1: from the National Park Service that contains the word big foot.
Speaker 1: I've never seen any other one produced, and we should
Speaker 1: have so much more information here. Unfortunately, all we have
Speaker 1: is that incident summary report, which that makes no sense.
Speaker 1: We should have at least three or four pages here.
Speaker 1: Every other FOI I've received, you have no very little reactions,
Speaker 1: definitely not from the officer or the report author. So
Speaker 1: this is just a puzzle in itself. Why did all
Speaker 1: this stuff happen? Why was there no further, you know,
Speaker 1: investigation taking place? And I think I figured out what
Speaker 1: it was. That's because they had sent me after I
Speaker 1: got the four your request, I did like a an
Speaker 1: exemption for it, like a filed an appeal. And what
Speaker 1: I got back was even weirder from from the original,
Speaker 1: from the original investigation report. And I'll just read you
Speaker 1: what they kind of told me. They were basically saying
Speaker 1: that the only reason there is an incident summary report
Speaker 1: not a full record was because this is verbatim here,
Speaker 1: the ranger who completed the case report was medically incapacitated
Speaker 1: at the time and did not have the ability to
Speaker 1: conduct a thorough report and follow up.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, yeah, if that doesn't sound fishy, then
Speaker 1: I don't know what does we have that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think they use the medically thing medically incapacitated because
Speaker 1: it falls under a hippa exemption, right, And once it's
Speaker 1: under a hip hop it's you can't get anything out
Speaker 1: of that. It's exempt from any type of search. So
Speaker 1: something weird happened in Dino National Park in twenty twenty people,
Speaker 1: multiple people reported a bigfoot sighting, and they don't go
Speaker 1: out to investigate, like.
Speaker 2: They reported piles of bones exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: Now, if it were a bear or a cougar, I'm
Speaker 1: sure they would have been out there in a heartbeat, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they would have rushed out there.
Speaker 2: And I mean national parks like they It just seems
Speaker 2: to me that they would one def investigate any claims
Speaker 2: about people stumbling across piles of bones in a national park.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And two it also seems rather odd that they would
Speaker 2: specifically mention bigfoot hunters exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the other thing is that we don't know
Speaker 1: how this was reported. We don't know if it was
Speaker 1: a phone call, we don't know if it was an email,
Speaker 1: if it was a face to face interaction. We have
Speaker 1: no idea how this report came to be, and we
Speaker 1: should that should be in there, but that's been withheld
Speaker 1: for whatever reason. So on top of that, it's like,
Speaker 1: what the heck's going on here? And I've talked about
Speaker 1: this before. Some people have speculated that could the ranger
Speaker 1: himself been the one to make the report and was
Speaker 1: medically incapacitated after seeing whatever this thing was. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: really interesting when you think about it. But again, we
Speaker 1: should have a lot more information about this than we do,
Speaker 1: and is that by design. It kind of makes you wonder,
Speaker 1: you know, are we is this a you know, an
Speaker 1: effort that's being done too, I don't know, make people
Speaker 1: feel safe out there. It's just weird. It's really weird.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're passingated off as like something that's not
Speaker 2: even that big of a deal. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: the report got kicked up to the Department of Interior
Speaker 2: and the information was redacted for some reason.
Speaker 1: Exactly, Yeah, exactly, And I mean the bones were were mentioned,
Speaker 1: So did they identify the bones? What's the deal with that?
Speaker 1: They didn't mention anything about that. You think they would
Speaker 1: want to go and figure out who those bones belonged to,
Speaker 1: an animal, person, whatever. So this case kind of just
Speaker 1: well Bigfoot was involved, seeing that, I don't know, something happened,
Speaker 1: something was triggered, and that's all the information would ended
Speaker 1: up getting out of it, which which kind of sucks.
Speaker 1: But there is a record of at least something happening.
Speaker 1: And I've been trying to find the alleged big foot
Speaker 1: hunters that were out there, you know, for a couple
Speaker 1: of years now, no luck. So if anybody knows about
Speaker 1: people hunting out there in twenty twenty December of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty an Dino National Park, please reach out to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there's a story there.
Speaker 2: Are Are you finding that a lot of this stuff
Speaker 2: that you're getting is sort of like that, just very brief.
Speaker 1: A lot of it's brief, and a lot of it's
Speaker 1: kind of like without explanation, like they'll they won't go
Speaker 1: into detail about a lot of stuff. You'll get a
Speaker 1: lot of little short summaries and yeah, information that's just
Speaker 1: kind of minimal, nothing really of anything you can sink
Speaker 1: your teeth into. And again, like you're wonder is that
Speaker 1: by design? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Have you done this sort of thing for stuff not
Speaker 2: related to Bigfoot? You said that you have like a
Speaker 2: background in public information.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've done this before.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Comparably, the Bigfoot stuff is much more lacking in
Speaker 2: information compared to like regular stuff that people get.
Speaker 1: It is And you're kind of wondering, is that because
Speaker 1: they're not taking it seriously or because they're like, you know,
Speaker 1: that's their gimmick, Like they don't take it seriously. That's
Speaker 1: it's like they're I don't know, they're a signed not
Speaker 1: to take it seriously or something like that. And even
Speaker 1: some of the state stuff, the federal will get it,
Speaker 1: will get a kind of get their nose into it
Speaker 1: when it's federal it's not even entering their business, or
Speaker 1: or a larger part of the state will get interested
Speaker 1: in it if it's like a certain county or whatever.
Speaker 1: And I really noticed that when I was doing the
Speaker 1: I did a four year request on an incident that
Speaker 1: took place in of all places Cincinnati. It was a
Speaker 1: really weird incident that took place, and it was in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, and there are there are a few
Speaker 1: news reports articles about a group of monkeys had been
Speaker 1: seen in Cincinnati in twenty twenty one. There's video of it.
Speaker 1: There's at least one video that you can see on
Speaker 1: social media side YouTube, and you see like three or
Speaker 1: four dark figures that they're saying are monkeys in a tree,
Speaker 1: and they're pretty good size, they're hefty. And I had
Speaker 1: heard about this and when I seen it, I obviously
Speaker 1: I wonder if anybody did the foya. I don't think
Speaker 1: they did, so I did the foya and I got
Speaker 1: back two. This is weird because it's two incident reports,
Speaker 1: but they're like at least six calls, nine to one
Speaker 1: one calls on each incident report, so that by itself
Speaker 1: is weird. Each call should have their own incident number, incident,
Speaker 1: you know, summary, all that stuff, and it looks like
Speaker 1: they just kind of bulked everything into two reports, which
Speaker 1: is just kind of weird off the bat. But people
Speaker 1: were seeing these these multiple monkeys in the area, and
Speaker 1: it got to the point where the Department of Agriculture
Speaker 1: I'll read you this report here. It's actually it's the book,
Speaker 1: and it's a detailed the incident report, detailed incident report,
Speaker 1: and it basically says that to ac from Mike King
Speaker 1: from the Department of Agriculture, requesting call from someone that
Speaker 1: could give him more information regarding the monkey situation. So again,
Speaker 1: there were multiple monkeys kind of roaming around in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: People were seeing them taking video. In one of the
Speaker 1: news reports that happened, this woman was talking about how
Speaker 1: she had seen these things. They were taller than her
Speaker 1: garbage can or as tall as her garbage can, and
Speaker 1: had really long swinging arms. She didn't describe seeing a
Speaker 1: tailor or anything like that. And again, the original guy
Speaker 1: who called his name was Lucky Griffin. I have his
Speaker 1: reports in the book and he basically says that he
Speaker 1: sees these things walking down the road as he's on
Speaker 1: the phone or whatever. I would have loved to have
Speaker 1: had those nine one one phone calls as they're describing
Speaker 1: what they're seeing. But I reached out to them, and
Speaker 1: this is one of those agencies that they only hold
Speaker 1: the calls for like sixty days and then they erased them.
Speaker 1: So we should have like nine to one one calls
Speaker 1: from this thing. At least at least eight, if not more,
Speaker 1: about people reporting these apes just kind of roaming the area.
Speaker 1: And I'll read you a little bit more of this
Speaker 1: report here because it just kind of gets weirder and
Speaker 1: you'll see where the kind of cover up angle goes.
Speaker 1: This happened. I read you that first part and this
Speaker 1: was a couple hours later. It's spoke with resident West
Speaker 1: eighth and Harrison reported last night video scene at least
Speaker 1: four or more last seen through the woods at the
Speaker 1: ed and Cemetery. No sign of camera from resident approximately
Speaker 1: unknown who they belong to. WLWT has been advised to
Speaker 1: contact PIO. So again these are this is a different
Speaker 1: person making a call pretty much saying that hey, we're
Speaker 1: seeing the monkeys in this area. And then shortly after
Speaker 1: that we have someone else calling different name. Three hours
Speaker 1: later they're basically saying heard monkeys around the area, seeing nothing.
Speaker 1: Then it says that they linked it right here in
Speaker 1: the call notes it says that they linked it. This
Speaker 1: one is really interesting. This is another person and it
Speaker 1: says cap they called in. The says comp was watching
Speaker 1: the news and was told to call if they had
Speaker 1: any info. Comp advised her dog was barking at a
Speaker 1: screaming creature in the tree on Easter and it was
Speaker 1: a monkey. Then it ran to the top of a
Speaker 1: swaying tree. Body of the monkey was Koala their size
Speaker 1: monkey's last seen Easter Sunday and call if needed, and
Speaker 1: wanted to confirm that the original called are not lying,
Speaker 1: so right there, and that's just a crazy call right there.
Speaker 1: This isn't even the same day. This person is saying, hey,
Speaker 1: we had we saw these monkeys like days before this happened.
Speaker 1: So koalaverir sized monkey doesn't sound like a copouch and
Speaker 1: monkey to me. And if you if you do see
Speaker 1: that video, they look really bulky and has the almost
Speaker 1: like chimpanzee size that other woman describing as tall as
Speaker 1: a garbage can arms swing you get, you get that
Speaker 1: eight picture more than a monkey picture. Yeah, So people
Speaker 1: were out here saying things. I mean, this thing was
Speaker 1: screaming at her dog, this freathing creature in the trees.
Speaker 1: Literally what this report says her dog was barking at him,
Speaker 1: ran to the top of a swinging tree. So really
Speaker 1: weird stuff coming out of Cincinnati. Multiple people seeing whatever
Speaker 1: these things were, and then here's another call that happened
Speaker 1: a few hours later. About four hours later, redactave device.
Speaker 1: She could hear the monkeys up in the trees at
Speaker 1: her location, sounds only recorded, no visual. Now, we should
Speaker 1: have had those sound recordings in the four yer request
Speaker 1: that I did, right, but that wasn't included. I don't
Speaker 1: know why, but it wasn't. We should have those. Someone
Speaker 1: else calls can hear some kind of animal sounds from
Speaker 1: the woods, no visual, and then okay, and then this
Speaker 1: is where it gets interesting. So they go to the location,
Speaker 1: this last location where they can hear the you know,
Speaker 1: recorded the audio and no visual, and it says no monkeys,
Speaker 1: just owls. And then about a minute later it says
Speaker 1: just located owls in the woods and then says CPD
Speaker 1: has closed their incident. About an hour later, another incident
Speaker 1: pops up. Shasta police stated he heard monkeys in his backyard,
Speaker 1: but they're no longer there. So they try to cover
Speaker 1: this up real quick, saying it was just owls in
Speaker 1: the woods. Yea, even though people had video, even though
Speaker 1: multiple people across the city were seeing this, they just
Speaker 1: said owls. And then an hour later again another monkey report.
Speaker 1: Just weird so I have no explanation for that. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you do.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's how Planet of the Ape starts, right,
Speaker 2: I mean that's crazy. I'm just sitting here thinking, like listening.
Speaker 2: Do you say all this stuff? Read it off the reports?
Speaker 2: There should be so much more information. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean a group of a monkey, like I could understand, like, okay,
Speaker 2: one monkey, maybe one phone call or something. It gets out,
Speaker 2: it's not that big of a deal. But I remember
Speaker 2: various instances where groups of primates have escape captivity and
Speaker 2: it's a pretty big deal.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never heard of this. I don't remember hearing
Speaker 2: about a group of monkeys in Cincinnati though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and not many people have, even people from Cincinnati
Speaker 1: haven't heard of this, which is weird. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: very few news reports about it. Odd odd stuff. Like
Speaker 1: I said, we should have like at least eight ninety
Speaker 1: one to one phone calls, We should have individual incident
Speaker 1: report numbers for all of these, but they just grouped
Speaker 1: all of these stuff into like two different reports, which
Speaker 1: is just it's just crazy to me. I don't know
Speaker 1: why they I've never seen that done before. And then again,
Speaker 1: we have the Department of agriculture wanting to know what
Speaker 1: the heck's going on over there. Yeah, so that's like
Speaker 1: at a state level, he's wanting to know. You know,
Speaker 1: he's not an accounty or anything like that, but it
Speaker 1: kind of shows you that everybody was really taking this seriously.
Speaker 1: And they never found anything. They found nothing with all
Speaker 1: the drones, they had, dogs that they had a belief,
Speaker 1: a team from the Cincinnati Zoo out with tranquilizers they
Speaker 1: had again I said, drones, people on foot. They never
Speaker 1: found anything. There's no explanation to where these monkeys came from,
Speaker 1: what they were, where they went, where they went, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: we have no information about that. It's just the close report,
Speaker 1: you know, incidents, status clothes. I'm sitting at the top,
Speaker 1: really weird stuff, no explanation for it.
Speaker 2: A lot of instances of you know, I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: just thinking randomly here. But like so obviously zoos have
Speaker 2: primates and you've got some rehabilitation places and like that.
Speaker 2: But if the animals get out, you know, it's it's
Speaker 2: a pretty big deal. And then you have medical testing
Speaker 2: facilities where if the animals get out, it's really a big.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's twenty eight days later right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so that just seems really strange. That is
Speaker 2: just shut down like that, and like, oh, well, we
Speaker 2: found some owls. Time to move on, right.
Speaker 1: And the Cincinnati Zoo had been contacted also, and they're like, no,
Speaker 1: we got all our monkeys. So they sent out a
Speaker 1: team just to kind of help with the situation. And again,
Speaker 1: no luck. Nothing was ever nothing was ever found. And
Speaker 1: this kind of is leads me into another incident that
Speaker 1: took place because this is just so eerily similar to
Speaker 1: an incident that took place in Santa Fe, Texas in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen that I have. I also have the reports
Speaker 1: for during the book, and this one is weird, man,
Speaker 1: this one's really weird. I'll read you the original incident report.
Speaker 1: That was the very first thing anybody the public knew
Speaker 1: about it or whatever. The after everything came out, the
Speaker 1: sheriff had to come I'm not saying they had to
Speaker 1: come out making like a public service announcement saying, hey,
Speaker 1: if you see a champ in the area, don't touch it,
Speaker 1: don't approach it, call us like this happened. It was
Speaker 1: I think it was on there, even on their Facebook
Speaker 1: page and stuff like that. I'll read you. I'll read
Speaker 1: you this police report here. So this was on nine Okay,
Speaker 1: you know what I should have actually let me see no, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: this is the right one. Yeah. So this was actually
Speaker 1: on September tenth, twenty nineteen, everything started, and it basically says,
Speaker 1: here possible monkey sighting, game, more and advice. He will
Speaker 1: speak he will be speaking with Aco about the issue,
Speaker 1: and then it says per eleven eleven, send eleven eleven.
Speaker 1: Aco contact gives the name of the person, and then
Speaker 1: it says we'll need drone. Several hours later, about seven
Speaker 1: hours later, it says assist at Aco VA drone and
Speaker 1: attempting to locate a monkey. But the search was unsuccessful.
Speaker 1: Check the area of via drone unable to locate monkey.
Speaker 1: So about six hours into this investigation, they've got drones
Speaker 1: in the air looking for this monkey that's been roaming
Speaker 1: around Santa Fe, Texas, and they weren't able to find it.
Speaker 1: They weren't able to find it at that time. And
Speaker 1: it's it's weird again because they had to go make
Speaker 1: a public statement. The news cupboads and this one was
Speaker 1: a little bit more extensive than what was going on
Speaker 1: in Ohio. There was actually a lot of people reporting
Speaker 1: on this. One of the more interesting ones was there
Speaker 1: was a woman all location kind of reporting about it,
Speaker 1: and they come back from a commercial break and there's
Speaker 1: like a truck driving right past her and she goes,
Speaker 1: they just told us they spotted the monkey down the
Speaker 1: street or the ape down the street, so we're gonna
Speaker 1: go to that location. So this was happening in real time.
Speaker 1: People were seeing this thing similar to the Cincinnati one,
Speaker 1: all over the area, but we didn't get any video
Speaker 1: of this one like we did with the Cincinnati one.
Speaker 1: Witnesses did come forward. There was this one witness I
Speaker 1: think probably got the best look about it, so he
Speaker 1: was the only one that spoke to the public about it,
Speaker 1: and she said that she had it was the middle
Speaker 1: of the night. She had seen this thing digging through
Speaker 1: her garbage cans. She made a report. I have her report,
Speaker 1: it's in the book. And it was standing tall, lifting
Speaker 1: the garbage can, digging through it. She closed the blinds,
Speaker 1: called the police and they came out and didn't find anything.
Speaker 1: But then other people were reporting it, mainly the officials
Speaker 1: government officials in the area kind of downplaying it. They
Speaker 1: were making it sound like it was a smaller monkey,
Speaker 1: capuchin monkey, but all the reports I have make it
Speaker 1: seem like it was a lot bigger than a capuchin
Speaker 1: monkey or just some random tiny monkey up there. And
Speaker 1: I'll read you, I'll read you another instance of what
Speaker 1: I'm kind of saying here. Everything continued on for about
Speaker 1: two days and a couple hours later. This is the
Speaker 1: same day that this happened. This was happening at nine
Speaker 1: pm at night, and again it says here's here's cowling
Speaker 1: thinks it maybe eight on the loose. Now a small
Speaker 1: capuchin monkey, I don't think it howls like that. The
Speaker 1: way they're describing it, it sounds like something bigger. And also
Speaker 1: the nature of this police call was a suspicious person,
Speaker 1: so that doesn't sound like a little monkey for an
Speaker 1: animal control issue. They're talking about something howling and a powling,
Speaker 1: and it really kind of just goes even more from there.
Speaker 1: The next report we get is right before midnight, eleven pm.
Speaker 1: This is another report here, and it says color advises
Speaker 1: he hears primate possible visual. So this person actually got
Speaker 1: a visible a visual. I would have loved to hear
Speaker 1: that nine to one on one phone call as they're saying, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it, or I saw it, it's this tall,
Speaker 1: then we would know for sure it's this size, it's
Speaker 1: this this. I'm sure they were describing it. I don't
Speaker 1: know why we don't get any type of transcript or
Speaker 1: any other information about these calls. We have nothing. All
Speaker 1: we have is just a couple of little words acknowledging
Speaker 1: their call was made, which is just to me, it's
Speaker 1: just terrible. But imagine if they were describing this thing
Speaker 1: in detail, what it looked like, the size of it.
Speaker 1: Just really interesting stuff. And again I did the four
Speaker 1: year request. I got about four individual police reports from
Speaker 1: League City and Santa Fe City Police Department. Those are
Speaker 1: like the two neighboring counties. That was really interesting. And
Speaker 1: the other thing was that the news was reporting this
Speaker 1: was an aggressive ape. I have never found any type
Speaker 1: of information in any of the reports about mentioning aggressive
Speaker 1: it did this. I found nothing about that. What I
Speaker 1: did do a four year quest for the email server
Speaker 1: at that location for this time, and I got something
Speaker 1: really interesting. To me. This is kind of like I
Speaker 1: don't want to say smoking gun, but man, it's just
Speaker 1: so crazy. This was an email. It was never meant
Speaker 1: to see the public. It was from the county clerk there,
Speaker 1: sent out to an outside source and the subject is OMG,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, and it says basically, OMG, there is
Speaker 1: a loose monkey out in Santa Fe, Texas. It is
Speaker 1: between three to four feet tall and attacking people. What
Speaker 1: the heck? It's been missing it out and about since Friday.
Speaker 1: So that's just crazy to me that internally they're kind
Speaker 1: of saying at the at the different sheriff's offices and
Speaker 1: government agencies, they're saying, this thing attacks somebody. It's it's
Speaker 1: a wild ape. They never that never transpires in the reports,
Speaker 1: but I believe it's factual because they're a county clerk
Speaker 1: is stating.
Speaker 2: It apes, period. But three to four feet that's killing people,
Speaker 2: that's ripping their arms off. That would be like a
Speaker 2: huge problem.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh that's a big deal. And I mean
Speaker 1: they were taking it seriously definitely. If the sheriff had
Speaker 1: to come out basically say if you see a chip
Speaker 1: running around, don't touch it or whatever.
Speaker 2: My conspiracy brain though, is telling me, well.
Speaker 1: I mean I think everybody's kind of thinking that. Honestly, again,
Speaker 1: they never found anything. They had drones in the air,
Speaker 1: they had dogs, they had people, gangs of people out there.
Speaker 1: They found nothing. They turned up nothing. They closed this investigation.
Speaker 1: If there was a wild monkey on the loose, wouldn't
Speaker 1: you think you'd want to kind of keep looking for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other thing is that they mentioned in this email
Speaker 1: that it was it's been out in the loose since Friday,
Speaker 1: like kind of like it's a it's a monkey they
Speaker 1: know about or whatever. I did floyers trying to find
Speaker 1: any type of incident where a monkey attacked a person
Speaker 1: or a kid or whatever. I don't have nothing nothing
Speaker 1: about that, So that's interesting to me. And after I
Speaker 1: started talking about this, multiple people reached out to me
Speaker 1: from this area with different accounts of what they believe.
Speaker 1: It was like, one guy reached out to me saying
Speaker 1: that he believed it was like a mother and a
Speaker 1: young one. Because people were reporting different size variations. Some
Speaker 1: people were saying small, some people were saying big. And
Speaker 1: then another guy reached out to me saying, oh, that
Speaker 1: was an escape chimp from like a chicken farm. And
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, okay, I looked into that
Speaker 1: that I couldn't really find anything to substantiate that. One
Speaker 1: of the more interesting ones that I received was from
Speaker 1: this man who had reached out to me and that
Speaker 1: he had the story was really kind of fascinating. He
Speaker 1: told me that his son and his son's friend were
Speaker 1: out dove hunting in Santa Fe and that his son
Speaker 1: had seen this what he thought was like a monkey,
Speaker 1: an ape, and a tree, and that I can't remember
Speaker 1: if he said they shot first or this thing attacked first,
Speaker 1: but he said they shot at it and it jumped
Speaker 1: out of a tree and scratched this kid's face. And
Speaker 1: that is where the attacking people portion of this whole
Speaker 1: thing comes from. And that's just kind of Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: just kind of weird and interesting. I can't find anything
Speaker 1: to really substantiate that. But we know something happened to
Speaker 1: make this thing aggressive or like attacking people. We know that.
Speaker 1: So that's just kind of odd in itself that we
Speaker 1: have unidentified at least attacked at least one person out there.
Speaker 1: To me, that's just insane. Yeah, and we have no
Speaker 1: explanation for it.
Speaker 2: Three to four foot tall at least, like you said,
Speaker 2: reports of different heights, but we have that one at
Speaker 2: least confirmed by a witness I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you hear the howling and stuff, you're
Speaker 1: thinking big, You're thinking something big.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean chimps, as far as I know,
Speaker 2: don't howl. I mean, yeah, I know some of their vocalizations.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm wrong on that, but yeah. Again, I just
Speaker 2: think like if something like that got loose, logically to me,
Speaker 2: maybe I'm wrong, but somebody would report it like, hey,
Speaker 2: my chimp got loose. You know, that's my chimp. Can
Speaker 2: we get it back? Or And I understand maybe it
Speaker 2: was owned illegally or something like that, but it all
Speaker 2: just seems really suspicious.
Speaker 1: It does. And I mean there's been cases of that before,
Speaker 1: like tigers getting loose in Texas, Like there was a
Speaker 1: whole I think for like three or four years in
Speaker 1: a row there was like a tiger that you'd hear
Speaker 1: about the news for escaping, you know, constantly. And that's
Speaker 1: what I first thought when I heard about this, until
Speaker 1: I started doing the Foyer request and I was like, WHOA,
Speaker 1: this is weird. And those tigers and everything, they always
Speaker 1: find those they're out for a couple of days maybe,
Speaker 1: and then they find them. They'll have a drone, a
Speaker 1: lot of a team out there and they'll spot it
Speaker 1: and they'll find it. They never did that with this,
Speaker 1: They never had any type of explanation. Again, like the
Speaker 1: Cincinnati thing, we don't have an identification, we don't have
Speaker 1: you know, where these things came from. We've got we've
Speaker 1: got nothing. And that's kind of concerning to me. Honestly,
Speaker 1: if they're reporting an aggressive chimp out there or an
Speaker 1: aggressive ape I should say, out there attacking people that
Speaker 1: was never found, Like that's that's a little concerning to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just on the skeptic side, you know, let's
Speaker 2: say it all really is known primates, you know, escaped
Speaker 2: or whatever. That would definitely explain some of the bigfoot
Speaker 2: reports that people have. So it's crazy that either way
Speaker 2: you look at it, either it's a potential Bigfoot or
Speaker 2: there's potentially loose primates running around in the woods in
Speaker 2: some parts of the world where they're not supposed to
Speaker 2: be at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything about this is concerned. And again I really
Speaker 1: would have loved to have those nine to one one
Speaker 1: calls because I think with those calls we would have
Speaker 1: definitely got some type of again, height, size, or what
Speaker 1: they look like, because we don't have any of that stuff.
Speaker 1: In these reports we have barely we don't even have identification.
Speaker 1: So it's it's just one of those things again, kind
Speaker 1: of like the Cincinnati one where there's no closure. Here,
Speaker 1: we've got, we've got, we have, we have no idea,
Speaker 1: we don't know anything. We just know people were seeing
Speaker 1: some type of ape creature creatures possibly in these areas,
Speaker 1: which is it's just man and people say, you know
Speaker 1: about bigfoot sighting through whatever, there's a you know, people say,
Speaker 1: how come they don't call the cops or anything like that. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean maybe this is one of those cases where
Speaker 1: they just kind of turn it into monkey stuff. And
Speaker 1: you'll see that that theme kind of continues through through
Speaker 1: my investigation. A lot of times they'll just say unidentified monkey.
Speaker 1: Very there's few and far between where they do say bigfoot,
Speaker 1: but I do have reports where they do say big foot.
Speaker 2: If you were calling in, you know, to report seeing
Speaker 2: a bigfoot and you're just like, I don't know what
Speaker 2: to do? Should I call the police? Who should I call?
Speaker 2: And you do end up calling. You don't want to
Speaker 2: sound crazy, you don't want to say that's true. So
Speaker 2: like it makes sense that people would say I don't
Speaker 2: know it's some kind of monkey or ape or something.
Speaker 1: Right. I think there's a lot more of those calls
Speaker 1: than we know about. I think there's a lot more,
Speaker 1: and I'm hoping to uncover a lot of those. And
Speaker 1: I've been lucky with some stuff. And we talked about
Speaker 1: getting laughed at or whatever by calling about bigfoot. I
Speaker 1: want to talk about the Harrison County incident that happened
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, where unfortunately, that's that's what happened
Speaker 1: to this gentleman who did call the authorities to report
Speaker 1: what was going on, and they didn't treat him as
Speaker 1: well as they should have. I'll just say that. And
Speaker 1: this one's in. It's so weird. It's so weird because
Speaker 1: that last one that I talked about in Santa Fe, Texas,
Speaker 1: it happened September tenth of twenty twelve. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, I'm sorry, twenty nineteen. September tenth
Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen. This incident had took place in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three in Harrison County, happened on the same day.
Speaker 1: So to me, that's just kind of wild. Harrison County
Speaker 1: on the Santa Fe they're very close. They're not that far,
Speaker 1: not that far apart, kind of swamp lands both areas.
Speaker 1: Harrison County is a little bit to the north. But
Speaker 1: I'll just read you this incident report here. This one
Speaker 1: I received through a Freedom of Information Act request, and
Speaker 1: it's the whole call shoot here. I have the nine
Speaker 1: to one one phone call. This is one of those
Speaker 1: rare instances where I was able to hop on it
Speaker 1: as it was happening, so I submitted my FOY. I
Speaker 1: have the ninety one one phone call. I have it
Speaker 1: on my channel. I kind of took it down because
Speaker 1: I'm going to be using it in my next documentary.
Speaker 1: I'll be going out to this area in the next
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, hopefully talk to the witness, go out
Speaker 1: to this area, because it's the whole thing is just
Speaker 1: kind of fascinating to me. And I'll just I have
Speaker 1: the I have the image that was taken that's mentioned here.
Speaker 1: I'll just talk about it real quick. It says caller
Speaker 1: reports that he may have spotted something like Bigfoot on
Speaker 1: his game cameras near the Samuel Murphy Estates off of
Speaker 1: the Lovely Road. RP was transferred to public service and
Speaker 1: then it's a very attom. It says sighting of bigfoot
Speaker 1: on game camera. So this gentleman believes he has the
Speaker 1: photo of a bigfoot on his game camera, and he
Speaker 1: reported it to the local authorities, and now the Harrison
Speaker 1: County Sheriff's office ended up transferring that call to the
Speaker 1: local Fish and Wildlife, I believe, so they got involved.
Speaker 1: The ranger with the Fish and Wildlife got involved. That's
Speaker 1: actually where I got the image from. I four you
Speaker 1: them and I got the image from them. But the
Speaker 1: gentleman called because he was concerned. He was branching out there.
Speaker 1: He's got a hayfield out there, and this thing. You
Speaker 1: can see it the images in the book. It's standing
Speaker 1: very tall in the middle of one of his fields.
Speaker 1: The proportions are just all really weird, and it's just
Speaker 1: an odd looking photo. I have no idea you know,
Speaker 1: what it is. But he was concerned enough to call
Speaker 1: and say, I think this might be bigfoot. And we
Speaker 1: had again, you had talked about it, saying that that
Speaker 1: kind of sounds crazy making that call. But I'll give
Speaker 1: this man his props for that. He actually made it
Speaker 1: and says, I think this is a big foot. And
Speaker 1: unfortunately they were professional while he was on the phone,
Speaker 1: but as soon as they hung up and called the
Speaker 1: game warden in the area, the dispatchers were kind of
Speaker 1: like laughing, like, hey, he said this seem a big foot.
Speaker 1: You can hear laughing in the background or whatever. The
Speaker 1: game warn hears it, and he takes it seriously, and
Speaker 1: so he's like, I'll go ahead out there, and so
Speaker 1: they call him back to get his information, the witnesses information,
Speaker 1: and they say, we're dispatching the sheriff out there. The
Speaker 1: sheriff is out there for less than four minutes before
Speaker 1: he closes the incident. That's what it says in the report.
Speaker 1: He's out there for four minutes, closes the incident. Really weird.
Speaker 1: I don't know why he did that. But again, I
Speaker 1: spoke to the witness and he's kind of back and forth.
Speaker 1: He wants to give me an interview, but he was
Speaker 1: really upset at the way this was this was handled.
Speaker 1: So hopefully he's still willing to give me that interview.
Speaker 1: He's definitely said he'd take me to that area, so
Speaker 1: I'll get at least that hopefully. But again, really odd
Speaker 1: and strange stuff here. Just looking at the photo, the
Speaker 1: photo is just really really strange looking, and I've got
Speaker 1: no explanation for that. Again, I think there's more of
Speaker 1: these phone calls out there than we will then, you know,
Speaker 1: we kind of are led to believe. I think there's
Speaker 1: more not necessarily saying bigfoot, but maybe they are saying,
Speaker 1: you know, hairy creature, monkey or ape or something like that.
Speaker 1: And this is really the stuff that I'm looking for.
Speaker 1: To me, this is a complete investigation. I guess you
Speaker 1: want to call it. I heard about it. I made
Speaker 1: the four year request. I have my original four year request.
Speaker 1: I have their email they sent me, I have the
Speaker 1: original call sheet. I've got the nine to one one
Speaker 1: phone call. I've got pretty much everything. I've spoken to
Speaker 1: the witness. So this one, I feel like we've got
Speaker 1: a little bit of closure on this one. Not everything,
Speaker 1: because we don't know what's in that photo obviously, but
Speaker 1: this one, it feels this one feels a little bit
Speaker 1: better because again we have we have everything here. It's
Speaker 1: still kind of unsolved, but there's more information here. And
Speaker 1: the only reason that is is because I was able
Speaker 1: to jump on it so fast. Again, if it would
Speaker 1: have been thirty to sixty days and no phone call,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have been able to idea the witness any
Speaker 1: of that stuff. I'd be lucky to get the image, honestly,
Speaker 1: I think. I think as the time goes by, that
Speaker 1: even gets a little bit harder, and some agencies want
Speaker 1: to charge money for that because it costs a dig
Speaker 1: and look for that stuff. So I got really lucky
Speaker 1: with all of this. And the image is weird. Again,
Speaker 1: the image is really weird. I kind of do a
Speaker 1: little bit of an analysis in the book, just the proportions.
Speaker 1: It's right next to a deer feeder, a little behind
Speaker 1: a deer feeder, so you can kind of gauge a
Speaker 1: little bit of size, and it is. It does look
Speaker 1: fairly big, so it's interesting.
Speaker 2: I don't know, did you get the name of the
Speaker 2: fishing game person? Oh yeah, oh yeah. He tried to
Speaker 2: contact them.
Speaker 1: I have tried to contact him. I've been I've been unsuccessful.
Speaker 1: But I know someone who has spoken to him that
Speaker 1: lives in the area and didn't really go into detail
Speaker 1: about what they had talked about. He just said that
Speaker 1: he knew that person. I think on a personal level
Speaker 1: he knows that person, but I know who he is.
Speaker 1: I have his identity and all that type of stuff.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to be going out there to film
Speaker 1: this follow up documentary, and if I could get in
Speaker 1: touch with him and the witness get him at the
Speaker 1: same location, that would be really cool. I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody's ever done anything like that.
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Speaker 2: Just being able to follow something through from beginning to end,
Speaker 2: like that is really what everybody needs to be doing.
Speaker 2: That's calling themselves a Bigfoot researcher, not putting you in
Speaker 2: that group or anything, but I'm just saying in general,
Speaker 2: you know, like obviously you're proving that it can be
Speaker 2: done if you're willing to put in the work.
Speaker 1: Definitely, And I think, yeah, you kind of hit the
Speaker 1: nail on the head right there. I think everything should
Speaker 1: be investigated to the you know, umph degree. I guess,
Speaker 1: just names dates and when you're out there, it always
Speaker 1: keeps some type of log or whatever. That's just always important.
Speaker 1: And always try to convince, you know, the witness that
Speaker 1: they're willing to give their name, because I think that
Speaker 1: just kind of gives it gives power to the to
Speaker 1: the witnesses, to the people who've seen this thing, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe we start some type of you know, witness awareness
Speaker 1: group or something like that where they can kind of
Speaker 1: get together. I think that'd be interesting. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll continue on because again, there hasn't been many documents
Speaker 1: in actually have bigfoot in anywhere in the documentation, but
Speaker 1: this one a couple others that it basically says it
Speaker 1: out loud, and this next one here is really it's
Speaker 1: really weird because it kind of borders on bigfoot attack.
Speaker 1: I know the that other one kind of does too,
Speaker 1: the one that happened in Santa Fe with the aggressive monkey,
Speaker 1: but this one gives us a little bit more details. Again, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: we should have the ninety one one call for this,
Speaker 1: but we don't. Don't even have transcript for it. This
Speaker 1: happened and we'll try to say at Washington County by
Speaker 1: Ann Arbor, Michigan. And this again, oddly enough, this was
Speaker 1: in September. These last three things we talked about, all
Speaker 1: of been in September September twenty sixth, twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: at midnight, twelve thirty one am. Location is redacted, dispatch
Speaker 1: office is redacted. And I'll just read you basically what
Speaker 1: it says in the CFS and air to hear. Paul
Speaker 1: comes in twelve three two am call her out in
Speaker 1: the wilderness in a cheap at a tree farm. Just
Speaker 1: heard someone yell outside. Caller thinks it's bigfoot again. Caller
Speaker 1: says he wants to go to the hospital to get
Speaker 1: out of the tree farm. HbA to stage wandersome back
Speaker 1: to the line. Cooper can move the sidebar to let
Speaker 1: open the fence. Was calling for ETA and secure HbA.
Speaker 1: So basically they had to go and assist this person
Speaker 1: out of this area at midnight because of some injury.
Speaker 1: And he mentions that he thinks he hears bigfoot again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm like, what the heck's going on here? He
Speaker 1: hears bigfoot again? Where's the first time he heard bigfoot?
Speaker 1: It's crazy, Like we I have no explanations for that.
Speaker 1: Unless he called before saying hey, I'm hearing bigfoot out here,
Speaker 1: and then he calls again saying I still hear bigfoot
Speaker 1: out here again. We had no information and this is
Speaker 1: kind of is it by design? We don't know. Since
Speaker 1: he was injured, HVA, I believe he gets like, you know,
Speaker 1: medically escorted out of there. This is gonna again fall
Speaker 1: under that hip hop thing. Unfortunately. Yeah, so once it
Speaker 1: does that, we're not going to get any information. Was
Speaker 1: this guy attacked by a bigfoot? It's interesting.
Speaker 2: I think you had sent me that one.
Speaker 1: I did. I send you this one, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I remember reading over it and like you're saying,
Speaker 2: it kind of insinuates that the guy was injured by
Speaker 2: a bigfoot. And even even the reporting officer is like
Speaker 2: talking about a bigfoot.
Speaker 1: It's weird because I think the reporting officer is picking
Speaker 1: his words very carefully. Yeah, I don't think he's wanting
Speaker 1: to say what exactly happened, because it makes no sense.
Speaker 1: Just basically says just for someone yell outside color thinks
Speaker 1: he hears bigfoot, he wants to go to the hospital,
Speaker 1: Like where was the injury mentioned? There was, you know,
Speaker 1: like they don't mention he called before this happened, none
Speaker 1: of that stuff. It should be in the in the
Speaker 1: foury request. If he called multiple times, I should have that.
Speaker 1: It's nowhere to be found.
Speaker 2: Any type of first responder dispatched or anything.
Speaker 1: Well, it just says HbA, and I think that is
Speaker 1: I think that is some type of medical from what
Speaker 1: I understand. But after that, yeah, we don't get any
Speaker 1: type of nothing because it goes into that into that
Speaker 1: hippa thing. Yeah, I mean it sounds like he got
Speaker 1: attacked by bigfoot. I mean, this is the closest thing
Speaker 1: I think I seem to a bigfoot attack report. And
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I titled it in the book
Speaker 1: Bigfoot Attacks. Yeah, because this is just it's you know,
Speaker 1: I have no explanation for that. It doesn't say he
Speaker 1: you know, rolled his car, I was in a car accident.
Speaker 1: Doesn't say he got shot or something. It just says
Speaker 1: he wants to go to the hospital because he hears
Speaker 1: a bigfoot. Why would you want to go to the
Speaker 1: hospital because you hear a big floot? Makes no sense
Speaker 1: to me?
Speaker 2: And why? And why a bigfoot? Why a bigfoot? Specific?
Speaker 1: Why a bigfoot? Again? Yeah, he says again, it's like,
Speaker 1: what the heck's going on? Imagine hearing that nine to
Speaker 1: one one phone call, Get me the heck out of here,
Speaker 1: you know, big you know, imagine who's hearing it.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's been a few bigfoot nine to one
Speaker 2: one calls that obviously have gone viral on the internet.
Speaker 2: People especially have heard the one from Washington. Then there
Speaker 2: was another one not too long ago where a lady
Speaker 2: saw one crossing the road in North Carolina. Maybe I'm
Speaker 2: probably wrong about that, but uh no.
Speaker 1: I think I think I've heard both of those. And
Speaker 1: I've tried getting info on the on the Washington one,
Speaker 1: but I'm not able to get any type of foya
Speaker 1: out of that. But this this one is just you know,
Speaker 1: I would have loved to hear that phone call.
Speaker 2: I guess it makes sense that they only keep them
Speaker 2: for so long unless there's some sort of actual crime
Speaker 2: where you know, there's probably a court order or to
Speaker 2: archive it or whatever. But it just seems awfully convenient
Speaker 2: that all these bigfoot nine one one calls are gone exactly.
Speaker 1: No, exactly, And again, is that you know? Is that planned?
Speaker 1: Is that something they thought about before? So when I
Speaker 1: put this out there, a lot of people reach out
Speaker 1: to me saying that they've had similar experiences in that area,
Speaker 1: which I thought was really cool. That's exactly what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to go for. I'm trying to put this stuff
Speaker 1: out there and have people reach out to me with saying, oh,
Speaker 1: I reported that, you know, or I also something you know,
Speaker 1: I saw something called the cops whatever, we can look
Speaker 1: for that and have more have a database of these
Speaker 1: of these actual nine one one phone calls mentioning Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: these nine one reports mentioning Bigfoot. I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: just weird, weird stuff.
Speaker 2: Now, before we went on the air, we were talking
Speaker 2: about an incident where a bone was involved. Do you
Speaker 2: want to talk about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can talk about that. That's not in my
Speaker 1: book because it just it's weird. Writing this book, I
Speaker 1: had to kind of postpone and postpone because a four
Speaker 1: year request, you don't know when you're gonna get stuff back.
Speaker 1: It could be a month, it could be several months.
Speaker 1: So I kept pushing it back. And this is one
Speaker 1: of those instances where I could have put it in there,
Speaker 1: but I would have had to pushed it back again,
Speaker 1: and I didn't want to do that. So what happened
Speaker 1: I was I was doing some four year requests for
Speaker 1: counting up in Washington, and I asked them to give
Speaker 1: me all their emails they had on their email server
Speaker 1: from a certain date to a certain date, and it
Speaker 1: was a couple thousand and so I started digging through
Speaker 1: those and I found some interesting stuff. And what really
Speaker 1: kind of just caught in my eye was the subject
Speaker 1: line of one of those emails that basically said unidentified bone.
Speaker 1: And as I open it up, I look and I
Speaker 1: start reading the trance the email chain that's going on,
Speaker 1: and it's about a woman who's emailing the local museum
Speaker 1: in the area asking for some clarification. She had just
Speaker 1: inherited a bone collection from a biologist she knew, and
Speaker 1: so she's looking over this bone collection with a friend
Speaker 1: and they see this bone and they're like, what the
Speaker 1: heck is this? They have no explanation for it. And
Speaker 1: I believe they were told by the biologist while that
Speaker 1: person was still alive, that this bone could potentially be
Speaker 1: a baby bigfootbone that is mentioned in the email chain.
Speaker 1: They mentioned is this a baby big footbone to the
Speaker 1: museum when they email it. So they email the museum.
Speaker 1: The museum emails them back saying, Hey, that's really interesting.
Speaker 1: We kind of want to get the shareffs involved with this,
Speaker 1: Sheriff's office involved because if that's a human bone, we
Speaker 1: need to take to look at it. So the email
Speaker 1: chain starts with the sheriff's office saying, Hey, we need
Speaker 1: you to bring that bone in so we can test it,
Speaker 1: and all this other stuff and communication basically dies on
Speaker 1: that point. The person doesn't seem to respond, and even
Speaker 1: in the email chain, they're saying, Hey, this person's not responding.
Speaker 1: This is getting weird. We need to go out and
Speaker 1: test this bone or whatever. And that's kind of where
Speaker 1: we're at. I've there was a picture of the bone.
Speaker 1: I should have said that there's a picture of the bone.
Speaker 1: It's the very bottom of an email chain, and it
Speaker 1: is a mandible. It's a bottom jawbone. It looks very thick.
Speaker 1: There's a few teeth. The teeth, from what I understand,
Speaker 1: they're different in number from what's usual. But that could
Speaker 1: be because I've someone has told me that that could
Speaker 1: be like a native a Native American thing or something
Speaker 1: like that. But the teeth, look, there's not as many
Speaker 1: as there should be from what it looks like. And
Speaker 1: so I've had one person look at this. I don't
Speaker 1: want to mention that name, but credible person works with
Speaker 1: bones a lot, and he thinks it's very unique. He's
Speaker 1: never seen anything like it. And he said that, yeah,
Speaker 1: it could be what he thinks of baby Bigfoot. And
Speaker 1: I was kind of obviously I wanted some more answers. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: all we have is one photo of that bone. So
Speaker 1: I reached out to my friend Doug Hicheck. He was
Speaker 1: the producer of Monster Quest and he's a pretty influential
Speaker 1: name in the community, I should say, great guy, nice guy,
Speaker 1: and so I asked him if he could take a
Speaker 1: look at it. And he has sent that bone to
Speaker 1: I believe, two different people to take a look at it.
Speaker 1: So we're waiting on what they're gonna say about it.
Speaker 1: We are waiting on that. But it's interesting. It is
Speaker 1: an interesting looking bone. I'll just say that. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: you hear about these stories about people with personal collections
Speaker 1: and being locked away and stuff like that, and that's
Speaker 1: actually what happened in this case. This guy was a biologist.
Speaker 1: He knew what he was. He knew or didn't know
Speaker 1: when he was looking at either way, it kind of
Speaker 1: stumped him. So he's orded that bone for about thirty years.
Speaker 1: The email chain was from two thousand and nine. So
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get a little bit more information. Everything's
Speaker 1: kind of coming up on a dead end so far,
Speaker 1: but hopefully Doug will come back with some information. Even
Speaker 1: if it's a I really don't want to believe it's
Speaker 1: a person, because if it is a person, then it's
Speaker 1: a child and I don't want to, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't want to think about what they went through unfortunately
Speaker 1: out there. But it'll be interesting to see what does
Speaker 1: come out of this because the bone does look weird,
Speaker 1: it's thicker. The people have talked to so that Scott
Speaker 1: you know, doesn't have as many teams. That should so
Speaker 1: interesting stuff, I think. Yeah, I'll definitely try to make
Speaker 1: it public when we hear about what it is. Obviously.
Speaker 2: I mean that's kind of, you know, something I've thought
Speaker 2: about over the years as people ask, you know, well
Speaker 2: where are the bones? What would you even know one
Speaker 2: if you saw one?
Speaker 1: You know? Right?
Speaker 2: And here we have a situation where, like you're saying,
Speaker 2: a biologist was stumped enough that he held onto it
Speaker 2: for thirty plus years and it got passed on and
Speaker 2: that person thought it was odd enough to reach out
Speaker 2: and try to figure out what it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird. It's a weird looking bone that we're
Speaker 1: hoping to get some answers on.
Speaker 2: So what is your upcoming documentary are you going to
Speaker 2: focus on that you're working on?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the upcoming documentary is going to focus on the reports,
Speaker 1: the actual hard data of the nine on one phone calls,
Speaker 1: the police reports, the federal reports. I'm going to be
Speaker 1: going to the location I mentioned of the Harrison County
Speaker 1: phone call where that happened. I've spoken with a witness
Speaker 1: and maybe going up there very soon if we get
Speaker 1: some measurements, talk to them, see what comes out of that.
Speaker 1: And then also in that area, there was the infamous
Speaker 1: i should say Kasachi National Forest incident that took place
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four where a group of kids had
Speaker 1: to be evacuated from Kassaschi National Forest because of a
Speaker 1: bipedal creature with like glowing eyes that was growling at them.
Speaker 1: And I have the ninety one to one phone call.
Speaker 1: We're going to be going to that area. I have
Speaker 1: the actual coordinates of that area. So I'm hoping to
Speaker 1: go back and finding like an abandoned campsite out there.
Speaker 1: How crazy would that be just to find a completely
Speaker 1: abandoned campsite where these kids were because they left in
Speaker 1: a hurry. The ranger went out there, took him several
Speaker 1: hours to get out there evacuated these kids. The only
Speaker 1: four YA information I got was from the Natatotia sheriff's office,
Speaker 1: which is the neighboring county, I guess from the Kassaschi
Speaker 1: National Forest. That's basically a national forest. It falls under
Speaker 1: the National Park you know, bureau or whatever. They should
Speaker 1: have had a report about this incident, especially since multiple
Speaker 1: kids were being evacuated. They had no information on it,
Speaker 1: absolutely none, which to me is kind of concerning that
Speaker 1: these kids had to be evacuated and the federal government
Speaker 1: is saying, yeah, we don't know anything about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's weird.
Speaker 1: That's just wild to me. That's really crazy. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know a guy that went to the location,
Speaker 2: I think with one of the guys that had to
Speaker 2: be evacuated.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's wild. Yeah. I've spoken with the witness
Speaker 1: and they are younger people. I know that, and I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get him to go back out there, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if he wants to.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So odd, especially whenever you know a specific event,
Speaker 2: it's recent, you know it happened, and then law enforcement
Speaker 2: is telling you that they have no record of it exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's unexplainable. So I'm sure you've probably heard about
Speaker 1: the the no taking of stuff eight Clause have you
Speaker 1: heard about this in Florida? Yes, okay, so I have
Speaker 1: without a doubt the reason why that was implemented. I
Speaker 1: did a Freedom of Information Act request and I actually
Speaker 1: did it through the US Parks and Wildlife, and I
Speaker 1: had actually we had a meeting, a phone meeting me
Speaker 1: the one of the managers of the department, I guess
Speaker 1: you should say, and then another one of his calling.
Speaker 1: We all had a three way meeting and I basically
Speaker 1: told him what I was looking for, and they thought
Speaker 1: it was really interesting, and so told him about that.
Speaker 1: A couple of months later, well a month or so later,
Speaker 1: they sent me back some information, and I think this
Speaker 1: is probably one of the more interesting pieces they sent me.
Speaker 1: It's the reason there is a no taking of stonecake clause.
Speaker 1: And I'll just read you the clag real quick. It's
Speaker 1: says specific hunt regulations hogs, no size or bag limit
Speaker 1: for POGs, take them all. Take the hogs during any
Speaker 1: hunt season except spring and waterfowl in designated archery areas
Speaker 1: only ce map only bows and crossbows allowed. Coyote may
Speaker 1: be taken during archery, muzzle loader, general gun and family
Speaker 1: hunt seasons. At the bottom, it says there is no
Speaker 1: taking of swamp or skunk apes. So that was a real,
Speaker 1: absolutely real document that or a document that was implemented,
Speaker 1: and I have the reason why that was split up
Speaker 1: here I have. This is the letter I'm going to
Speaker 1: read you guys. This was taken by the Refuge manager
Speaker 1: of one of the areas here. This was the reason
Speaker 1: I was implemented. It's a subject bigfoot or sasquatch in
Speaker 1: R two and R four those are thettle regions, and
Speaker 1: this is what he wrote. While I do not have
Speaker 1: an easily findable administrative record of this phone call, I
Speaker 1: may have a handwritten note in my yearly notebooks. In
Speaker 1: or around twenty eighteen, I received a phone call from
Speaker 1: this tell me who had a YouTube channel. In his
Speaker 1: phone call, the gentleman thanked the Refuge for stating in
Speaker 1: our annual hunt brochures that there's no taking of skunk
Speaker 1: or swamp apes during our hunt seasons. I was inclined
Speaker 1: to include this no take clause in the annual hunt
Speaker 1: brochure due to an undocumented in person conversation I had
Speaker 1: with a hunter who advocated me not to allow this
Speaker 1: and to clearly state it in our hunt brochure. This
Speaker 1: I did. The gentleman who had the YouTube channel then
Speaker 1: phoned me as he hunts in the Lower Swanee, NWR.
Speaker 1: He spoke with me for close to one hour and
Speaker 1: exhorted me to look at his channel and to see
Speaker 1: the lengthy interviews with Dixie and Lee County refuge hunters
Speaker 1: who witnessed the swamp or skunky that is what they
Speaker 1: refer to in this part of the United States. So
Speaker 1: that is the reason that was implemented. This person, this
Speaker 1: manager of the refuge, had a conversation with a hunter
Speaker 1: out there. I wonder what this hunter might have shown him,
Speaker 1: would have told him to convince this person to include
Speaker 1: that in there brochure. That's just wild to me.
Speaker 2: There's no way that was just a run of the
Speaker 2: mill conversation.
Speaker 1: Absolutely right, And it's conveniently he said, it's conveniently. It's
Speaker 1: not I might have a note about it, you know,
Speaker 1: conveniently undocumented. That's what he said. That's just crazy to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I would have really loved to see what this
Speaker 1: guy told him, what he showed him, But it was
Speaker 1: enough for him to be Okay, dude, you convince me,
Speaker 1: I'm putting that in there. Yeah, that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: This guy was good enough to convince him let's put
Speaker 1: it in there.
Speaker 2: Oh man, my mind's just racing with what it could
Speaker 2: have been. Like, I mean, I've heard I've had a
Speaker 2: guest on this show that had an absolute crazy encounter
Speaker 2: story from Florida. And this was a guy who's not
Speaker 2: in the bigfoot world or into Bigfoot at all. It
Speaker 2: was just a random chance thing where I ran across
Speaker 2: him on the Internet and was like, hey, would you
Speaker 2: mind sharing your story? And it's one that stands out
Speaker 2: for sure. I've heard some absolute crazy stories from Florida
Speaker 2: where I don't know. Everybody always talks about hearing that
Speaker 2: bigfoot are more aggressive in Oklahoma and Texas, but right
Speaker 2: it sounds like to me that there's some pretty aggressive
Speaker 2: stuff with the SKUNKCP going on.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No, it definitely sounds like it. And I
Speaker 1: think they know a little bit more in the parks
Speaker 1: and stuff then they're kind of alluding to. Because with
Speaker 1: that same FOYA, I got an internal email basically kind
Speaker 1: of this was never meant to, never meant to go
Speaker 1: to the public or whatever. But I'll just read a
Speaker 1: portion of it. The title of it is called track
Speaker 1: casts and it says, hey, lets mention the name. I
Speaker 1: checked the tracks today about eleven pm today. None of
Speaker 1: them were completely dry. The bigfoot track was most dry,
Speaker 1: but the tolls were still wet, probably because we use
Speaker 1: the remixed plaster on those and the plaster we mix
Speaker 1: in the field on the rest of the foot. I'm
Speaker 1: going to give them all another two days to dry
Speaker 1: before I go back, before I go back out to
Speaker 1: get them, and it says if they're still not dry Wednesday,
Speaker 1: I'll make some new ones on the tracks I can
Speaker 1: find out there with the correct plaster or Paris procedures.
Speaker 1: So right there, that's an employee of a park in
Speaker 1: Florida saying, Hey, I'm gonna be you know, casting those
Speaker 1: big foot tracks again for you, and if if those
Speaker 1: don't work, I'll go I'll go out to where there's
Speaker 1: more and i'll cast those. You're not saying like I'll
Speaker 1: fake some more or anything like that. Yeah, he's saying,
Speaker 1: I'll go to the area where we're seeing them and
Speaker 1: I'll get some more. To me, that's just crazy. This
Speaker 1: was never meant to see the light of day by.
Speaker 2: The public and just out calling them big foot tracks.
Speaker 1: Just like that wow, like they're all over the area.
Speaker 1: It's it's wild to me, but just nonchalantly saying it.
Speaker 1: I want to end it with I think is the
Speaker 1: greatest bigfoot sighting documentation I've ever I've ever received, I've
Speaker 1: ever seen before. And I got this through a Freedom
Speaker 1: of information active quest to the Federal Bureau of Indian Affairs,
Speaker 1: and I was I was really shocked at this one.
Speaker 1: They told me they had over like three thousand reports
Speaker 1: that they were like withholding or whatever. They only gave
Speaker 1: me one report, and it's freaking unbelievable. I can only
Speaker 1: imagine what the rest of these reports look like. And
Speaker 1: they sent me a folder that was the very this
Speaker 1: is line somewhere in an archive somewhere in the Bureau
Speaker 1: of Indian Affairs. The folder literally says incident report or
Speaker 1: incident report number two three one eight six, twenty five
Speaker 1: seventy eight. So this took place in nineteen seventy eight,
Speaker 1: and it says redacted residents, animal or bigfoot. That's what
Speaker 1: it says in the file folder. And I'll just read
Speaker 1: you what kind of kicked off everything. There's a multipage
Speaker 1: investigation that went on. We've got multiple agencies out there
Speaker 1: taking a look in what hurted everything was? It says
Speaker 1: it right here. June twenty fifth, nineteen seventy eight, on
Speaker 1: a Sunday, at around eight forty nine pm, this woman
Speaker 1: calls and it says narrative of information received redacted. Called
Speaker 1: and requested an officer to redact it. She advised she'd
Speaker 1: seen an animal or bigfoot by her residence. Needs someone
Speaker 1: to check it out. And then it says see investigation report.
Speaker 1: So this woman basically called the authorities because she believed
Speaker 1: she had an encounter with a bigfoot. And I'm going
Speaker 1: to read you with a special agent in charge. The
Speaker 1: Federal Bureau agent wrote about this is that there's a
Speaker 1: handwritten thing from the witness and everything. It's a really
Speaker 1: cool it's a really cool thing. It says subject animal
Speaker 1: are bigfoot seen by residents and it's to the agency.
Speaker 1: Special officer Officer adacted. I checked the area where the
Speaker 1: animal was seen. I had officer redacted and conservation officer
Speaker 1: big redaction with me. Officer adacted myself walk up to
Speaker 1: where this animal was seen. The conservation officers drove up
Speaker 1: to the green water tank located above Galtz Euro Flats
Speaker 1: After checking the area, the only thing found which cracks
Speaker 1: belonging to a bear. Officer Adapted said he would put
Speaker 1: a bear trap in that area. Officer Adapted also advised
Speaker 1: that due to the dry weather, it is causing the
Speaker 1: animals to come down from the mountain looking for water
Speaker 1: and food. The persons who saw the animal were redacted.
Speaker 1: Both persons said that the animal they saw was standing
Speaker 1: up and his hands were in the air. Both subjects
Speaker 1: were frightened. They then began telling me. They then began
Speaker 1: telling me that they had heard that bigfoot was seen
Speaker 1: in Headsprings and what they saw they were sure was
Speaker 1: a bigfoot. I advised them we would go up and
Speaker 1: check the area. So there you have it. I think
Speaker 1: that's crazy. You've got these native people on the Mescalero
Speaker 1: Apache Reservation in New Mexico encountering I believe a bigfoot
Speaker 1: and they know what a bear looks like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they know.
Speaker 1: I think they know what a bigfoot looks like. Now,
Speaker 1: so I to me, this is and there's again there's
Speaker 1: a handwritten witness thing and everything. To me, this is
Speaker 1: the greatest bigfoot incident of all time. We've got multiple
Speaker 1: agencies involved, We've got the report. It's insane, like these
Speaker 1: people were so scared they called the reservation officer saying, hey,
Speaker 1: we need help with this. They went out there. At
Speaker 1: least at least six officers were out there investigating the area.
Speaker 1: We have no photos of these alleged bear tracks. I
Speaker 1: think they were just.
Speaker 2: Kind of this is going to be the official statement
Speaker 2: on record.
Speaker 1: It was exactly exactly right. We don't have any bear prints,
Speaker 1: even though we should have photos and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: no measurements, they should have mentioned all that type of stuff. Nothing.
Speaker 1: But I think these people who've been in this area
Speaker 1: for a really long time know exactly what they saw.
Speaker 1: I think they saw a bigfoot And to me that's
Speaker 1: obvious just reading reading you know, their reports and stuff.
Speaker 2: And they said that they had three thousand incidents that
Speaker 2: they're not releasing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had like three thousand, Yeah, three thousand documents
Speaker 1: they couldn't release. To me, Wow, this is just one
Speaker 1: that took place in nineteen seventy eighth. It's been hiding
Speaker 1: since nineteen seventy eight, and it's just it's fascinating to me.
Speaker 1: It's just incredible. I've heard of a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: happening on Native American reservations. You hear these stories, we
Speaker 1: have it. Now, we have it as it's a fact
Speaker 1: now that this has been reported, and it must have
Speaker 1: been reported more than once. They're talking about another siding
Speaker 1: that took place in Head Springs, which is like a
Speaker 1: neighboring area. So I think they have a lot more
Speaker 1: information than what they've released to me, And it's a shame.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're ever going to get that, but
Speaker 1: at least we got this disreport here, and I think
Speaker 1: it's really kind of like a gold standard. It's just
Speaker 1: it's incredible. It's from the Bureau of Indian Affairs. You're
Speaker 1: never going to get anything from an Indian reservation. Those communities,
Speaker 1: they don't they're not you know, they don't have to
Speaker 1: release anything, right, So yeah, this is just kind of
Speaker 1: a really lucky to get that report.
Speaker 2: With the United States, what are the laws? What information
Speaker 2: are they required to give you whenever you put in
Speaker 2: a request?
Speaker 1: Well, they have these exemptions and the inventions kind of
Speaker 1: blocked in from a lot of stuff like and they're
Speaker 1: kind of blanket exemptions. They're really wise, so they can
Speaker 1: deny you for all types of stuff. Like one of
Speaker 1: the things I'll say, like, if it's a national security issue,
Speaker 1: they don't have to tell you. If it's an ongoing investigation,
Speaker 1: they don't have to tell you things like of that nature.
Speaker 1: And I have received the ongoing investigation when a couple
Speaker 1: of times I have gotten that. But a lot of
Speaker 1: this stuff it should be out for the general republic.
Speaker 1: But again, they'll use these kind of blanket exemptions to
Speaker 1: get away with not giving you everything. Like the same
Speaker 1: thing with the Florida thing. Florida was like, we have
Speaker 1: X amount of documents, but we can only give you
Speaker 1: X amount of documents just for you know, those exemptions.
Speaker 1: Really and again they're just kind of blanket exemptions that
Speaker 1: you can appeal. That's a thing you can't appeal. But
Speaker 1: I've never had really any luck and appeal. I think
Speaker 1: I did one. It was like a first state one,
Speaker 1: and that one I got lucky that they gained the
Speaker 1: information from that one. But they're pretty much saying like, oh,
Speaker 1: let's it's you know, let them appeal and then that'll
Speaker 1: give us like a year or two too kind of
Speaker 1: get their things in order to where they'll give you
Speaker 1: more of a definition of why it was exempt or
Speaker 1: whatever on their time, on their time exactly, they'll deny
Speaker 1: it right away and they'll be like, oh, if he
Speaker 1: follows an appeal, and it'll be like a year and
Speaker 1: we can we can get everything we need to. Basically
Speaker 1: says it's exactly because of this reason on their time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, as we move into the digital age,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm sure a lot of this stuff has
Speaker 2: been lost if it was ever kept to begin with.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's just crazy to think about how much
Speaker 2: stuff's been lost.
Speaker 1: I think about that a lot, so much, So much
Speaker 1: stuff has been lost nine to one one phone calls videos.
Speaker 1: I remember I was trying to find an alleged video
Speaker 1: that was taken in East Texas in like the eighties.
Speaker 1: They clearly stated they recorded this and like sent it
Speaker 1: to the sheriff's office. It was a dead end. I
Speaker 1: haven't able to find anything on that, which I thought
Speaker 1: would have been very amazing. I have gotten that one photo,
Speaker 1: but that's because again I jumped on it literally the
Speaker 1: day it happened, or the next day it happens. So
Speaker 1: I mean we've lost it. Yeah. Again, We've just lost
Speaker 1: so much. We've lost more than we've gained. Unfortunately, that's
Speaker 1: the truth.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm looking forward to the book. Yeah, I'm going
Speaker 2: to enjoy going through this for sure. You know, if
Speaker 2: someone isn't me, how can they get the book.
Speaker 1: It's on Amazon. It is Bigfoot The Redacted Truth. My
Speaker 1: name is Eric Palassos and the author and you guys
Speaker 1: are interested in actually getting some hard datus, some reports
Speaker 1: that actually say Bigfoot in report. You know, please consider
Speaker 1: taking a look at my book. I think I think
Speaker 1: it's good for anyone's collection really to have because it's
Speaker 1: it's it's tangible, it's stat of it, it's it's there,
Speaker 1: it's it's something that I put a lot of work
Speaker 1: into and I'm proud of it. And it's my first book.
Speaker 1: So it's not gonna be perfect, but you know, hopefully
Speaker 1: i'll be able to with I still have a lot
Speaker 1: of foyers that are out right now, so we didn't
Speaker 1: get information back. So this goes well that I might
Speaker 1: try to write another one, maybe with that information about
Speaker 1: the bone that we get from Doug. I still have
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that's a lot of irons in
Speaker 1: the fire that I'm waiting to get back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would like you to write another one. I
Speaker 2: would like you to keep on pursuing this interest. It's
Speaker 2: fascinating to me. And uh, you know, thanks for doing it,
Speaker 2: if someone hasn't already told you, I mean, because this
Speaker 2: is a lot of time, effort, and money that goes
Speaker 2: into this project. And I for one, appreciate you doing it.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. That means a lotting and I
Speaker 1: appreciate what you do what you do. You're you're an
Speaker 1: independent and I you know, we've talked personally about how
Speaker 1: I feel about people being independent stuff like that, and yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I really appreciate what you're doing. Well.
Speaker 2: Thanks man. Maybe we can do some stuff together.
Speaker 1: Uh, definitely personally.
Speaker 2: You know, something that would be interesting to me is
Speaker 2: if you expanded outside of Bigfoot eventually.
Speaker 1: You know, I do have some reports that are I
Speaker 1: have some Beast of Ray Road reports that I've got
Speaker 1: from Walworth County. It's really weird, it's really crazy. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then I have some did you hear a lot
Speaker 1: of that LBL talk and stuff. I do have some
Speaker 1: files from the LBL. I don't know about that whole
Speaker 1: massacre type of thing, but I have a really crazy
Speaker 1: story of them finding human remains in the lake there,
Speaker 1: which is just that the whole story is crazy. I
Speaker 1: have all the documentation for it, really wild stuff. So maybe, yeah,
Speaker 1: I might. I might do something to where it's just
Speaker 1: encompasses all these just weird reports that aren't necessarily Bigfoot related,
Speaker 1: but I would consider it encrypted related for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Hyenas man, Yeah, there are so many hyaena reports
Speaker 2: that I had. I've heard no clue, but like I
Speaker 2: talked to someone that like a lot of hyena reports
Speaker 2: for some reason, or things that are hyena shaped and
Speaker 2: resemble hyaenas in places that they shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: I've heard about that in like West Texas. I have
Speaker 1: heard of stuff like that, big big canines out there.
Speaker 1: My daddy can said again, an interaction with like a
Speaker 1: big caneine. Yeah, weird. Stust.
Speaker 2: Well, Eric, thanks for joining me and coming on and
Speaker 2: talking about this stuff. I've really enjoyed it. I will
Speaker 2: definitely have you back again, and I hope the listeners
Speaker 2: enjoyed it as much as I did.
Speaker 1: All Right, I appreciate you having me on and we'll
Speaker 1: definitely be talking soon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you've had your own encounter with Bigfoot or
Speaker 2: something else you can't explain, you'd like to report it
Speaker 2: to me email me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2: Check out the website Bigfoot Crossroads dot com. You can
Speaker 2: find links to the social media, merchandise, past episodes, everything
Speaker 2: you need all in one place, and until next time,
Speaker 2: remember there's something in the woods.
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