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the members of the Posse Girls, he's here. You've been
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So seat yourselfs down, get your fian get your big
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you Lou because he's here, the very famous woman Wong.
Speaker 3: Hello everybody, Hello girls and all ships at sea, everybody
listen to the show. Thank you for being on the
radio with us. And I'm glad to be here Mac,
and I hope my vibe has transferred across the land
with all the snow that we had, but you know
what it was, it was melting before my eyes today. Yeah,
me too. It's a beautiful thing. I got my shorts
on and everything.
Speaker 4: Literally shoveling snow last Friday, Yeah, good Friday. And then
today it was seventy seven degrees in the area. Seventy
seven degrees? Are are people down the beach? Okay?
Speaker 3: I bet?
Speaker 4: And then tomorrow it's going to be six, you know what,
a forty degrees again?
Speaker 3: And back then I saw beautiful ladies jogging with their
gym stuff on them, those really tight shortsh what do
you call those things? Really tight shorts?
Speaker 4: God, it's like skin. Okay, you know what I mean?
Holy moly, they're called child support child what.
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 3: You can see everything. I don't know what you call
that clothing, but I know I know it's popular in
the gym or yoga, the yoga stuff, right, but it's
not long pants, it's shorts.
Speaker 4: Huh okay, all right, maybe we should start over.
Speaker 3: That's why I like about warm weather. Who does it?
Speaker 4: Anyway? One one, thanks for joining you. It's in the
studio with us. Is that producer engineer I get away
drive a bee Killer had a couple of emails about
the bees the other day. Uh, uncle, wole the kidies fail?
Now we're not though, well.
Speaker 6: Well mac hello one one, Hello, Well everybody, beast flying
around today. I did not get over really that close
to them. I was up in a telephone pole near them,
but I really didn't pay attention. You're doing up there? Tapping?
Why it tapping? Someone to fix one of my security cameras?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Really? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Okay, all right, somehow the antenna broke really yeah, which
I thought was really I mean in the wind. To
replace it in the wind, I climbed up there and
I get the ladder on the telephone pole and go
up and uh huh, camera, but the antenna is broken.
Speaker 4: Nice time you r up there? Just to me, favorite
point the camera away from Lois's bedroom windows. That one
does the side driveway, the other ones that are a
lot closer. Well, he knows there's the location in my windows.
Speaker 6: Good good to know. That was uh summer today's fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good time.
Speaker 4: Also with US is uh security chief men around the world.
I forget his, I forget his his real title? Yeah,
what is it? Also with us is our international security
chief and man about willed renowned Willie Club cat.
Speaker 3: Like Susan's cat, Jesus.
Speaker 4: A little early for the cat, isn't it a good
name for a British pub Susan's cat the Susan's Cat Pub.
There is a joke in the baby But anyway, club,
how you doing?
Speaker 3: Club?
Speaker 7: You know I'm doing great? Yeah, you know I have
I have spring fever today?
Speaker 3: Is that what it is?
Speaker 7: I got a spring in my step? Is that what
they call it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? If you say so? Yeah?
Speaker 7: So so you know, you just wake up and you
get that big feel in the swing feeling or whatever.
Speaker 3: One of the other.
Speaker 7: I think I'm on my game.
Speaker 3: You just want to take off all your clothes and
just scream and run down the street. Hell no, you
don't know.
Speaker 8: Grease out first, Okay, they can't catch Yeah, that's that's
another thing that women do.
Speaker 3: They grease up. What do they listen? Canola oil, coconut
oils oil? Only where do you live? Anyway? Must have
been a UK thing. Club.
Speaker 4: Listen behind you, there's Chris go Okay, yeah it works,
Jesus club. Is that a Celtics thing in the background
or just a generic Saint Patrick's Day thing?
Speaker 7: It's a generic good luck shown for St.
Speaker 4: Patrick's has a huge shamrock on as well. Where the
Patriots jersey was for seventeen weeks.
Speaker 7: That's the season's over, that's all. Well, that unless they win.
Speaker 4: Well, see talk about me jumping off the bandwagon. They
have to win for you to leave it up. You
don't have that team loyalty.
Speaker 3: Win. You came in my house.
Speaker 7: The Patriots is everywhere everywhere.
Speaker 3: I believe they haven't done anything in the draft. So yeah, yeah,
they did.
Speaker 4: Well, they they Yeah, but they didn't do a big
splash yet. I wish they got that guy from the
Raid is there, Max Crowsby?
Speaker 3: Is that his name?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I went.
Speaker 10: Super tupa but they out there. Yeah, we'll be fine, Yeah,
it'll be okay. Uh So any anything good with you there, klubby?
Speaker 7: Well, you know, the same old stuff with me. Just
a lot going on, you know what it's like, Yes,
but you know, other than that, I'm.
Speaker 4: Just doing just me good. That's good, okay.
Speaker 7: And I like I like some days. I I like
me better than others, as you know.
Speaker 4: Really, Yeah, and today's just one.
Speaker 7: Of them up days, like I And again it's I
think it's rather related.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think for sure, other than storms and blizzards
and stuff at seventy seven degrees, wouldn't.
Speaker 7: It's just great to be here with all our friends
right in your move.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, good.
Speaker 8: Contagious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, contagious.
Speaker 8: I can feel it. I can feel it.
Speaker 3: The word.
Speaker 4: Also with us down there in North Carolina, the good
Carolina is a good friend, super fan. Susan. Kay, Susan,
How are you Susan?
Speaker 11: Hi?
Speaker 12: Everybody?
Speaker 4: Are you look good? To see you, to see you.
She sent out some images the other day, her riding
her husse ruddy Tudie ready attitude.
Speaker 12: Okay, yes, and I had no saddle sound.
Speaker 3: I like riding bear back? Which which was bear the horse?
Or we want to we want to.
Speaker 4: Get too many hemorrhoids from see Okay, and it goes
down that road immediately know it is that's a big
cause of hemorrhoids. Yeah, I was gonna say, wow, I
believe is that how a horse? They hid hidden secrets
of cowboys? That's what was probably I was shooting each
other because they had hemorrhids. Thank you, Club, I mean
thank you, Susan. Thanks club for that cormentary. Also with
us is a good friend up there in Wisconsin, Kingland, Brandy,
Thanks Brandy.
Speaker 3: How are you hi?
Speaker 13: Everybody.
Speaker 14: I'm so happy to see everybody again. I missed everybody
so much.
Speaker 4: Well today tonight she looks like Sarah Palein have to
take a twenty mile ride with her Conrol top down.
Was that the look you're looking for?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 13: Exactly, believably, Yes, that is the look I was going.
Speaker 4: Well, you made it, you pulled it off. So how's
things for you there?
Speaker 3: Brandy?
Speaker 13: Just great?
Speaker 4: And how much snow do you have? You were writing
to me saying send the snow out, we were getting
to you, so that's kind of odd.
Speaker 14: It was sixty degrees yesterday so most of it melted,
but we are supposed to get three to six overnight
tonight and it's already snowing.
Speaker 4: All right, really, so you're happy then? Okay, Wow, she's
also feeling good. Then excellent. Let's move on. Also with us,
we're going to clap this guy in first instead of
singing the Canadian national anthem because joining us up there
from Edmonton to Nada is the newest member of the Posse.
Permanent member of the Posse is Kim Shah. Let's clap
from it. There is bowing, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 8: I am completely blowing away.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sir, Well, you know you've been a you know,
you've been a Palavis for many years and now here
you are yeah, no.
Speaker 8: Time flies, doesn't it. Yeah, it's fine, that's what it is. Really,
it's really just kind of zooms by, just a good conversation,
you know, it's it's it's godly for sure.
Speaker 4: Well, now you're run one of the sofa and indicted
co conspirators. That might change it anymore. Thank you Kim
for joining us. What's the what's the weather up there?
You sent me a you sent me a text A
seventy mile an hour wins.
Speaker 3: The other night.
Speaker 15: Yeah, the week started off rough, but today is like
calm and probably about thirty eight forty f is that zero.
Speaker 8: It's kind of nice. It's like it's not windy, so
that makes it really nice.
Speaker 4: Winds are pretty, those are pretty. That's uh.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I can't remember a windstorm like that here ever,
like ever, no, not in the wintertime. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah,
hitting seventy miles an hour is yeah. Yeah, it's just
like every every pebble, everything, every piece of snow was flying.
Speaker 1: It was like that.
Speaker 8: I think the like that was like about a twenty
foot maybe vision there when it was doing it. I
mean really yeah, very very dangerous. I think everybody just parks.
So that's the main thing to stop, don't move, don't move.
Speaker 13: Jeez.
Speaker 8: Anyway, I didn't hear anybody getting hurt, so that's a
good thing.
Speaker 4: Well, thanks Kim for joining us. We appreciate we're going
to clap for you a third time. We were going
to not over clapping this.
Speaker 8: I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 3: Well, we're going to do so.
Speaker 8: I'm with club.
Speaker 4: We're going to do a a cappella version of the
Canadian national anthem. But we only knew the first line?
What was it on Canada?
Speaker 3: And what's what?
Speaker 1: What's you say? Have to be.
Speaker 3: Okay? What's what's what's the what's the whole line?
Speaker 4: What's the second? I know Canada?
Speaker 8: You guys are gonna test me.
Speaker 11: Now, let's all right, I can probably.
Speaker 3: That's I told you. It was a French.
Speaker 8: Love you so much.
Speaker 3: It's very sure. Too bad about the Olympics. We be
for ass and all over the I.
Speaker 8: Know we got Ernie, but we got Karnie. We got
Karnie right.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: Also with us tonight, joining us for the first part
of the show, looking his best concentration. God, look, I
haven't seen it this accurate in a long time. Is
lonely Larry lonely Larry. I suppose we should clap for
him because he is lonely. Larry.
Speaker 3: How you doing.
Speaker 4: I'm a little bummed out today, actually mummed out.
Speaker 3: Why what are you bummed out about?
Speaker 11: I quit my spin class?
Speaker 4: Did you.
Speaker 8: Anywhere?
Speaker 1: You quit?
Speaker 4: Or they threw you out? Did you quit your don't
tell me I did?
Speaker 11: Yeah, I just I said, I just wasn't getting anywhere.
Speaker 3: Oh that's the joke.
Speaker 4: I said, Oh my goodness, Okay, huh maybe we should
get around now.
Speaker 3: I liked it so so uh so, Larry, it's the
jokes that you think is just conversation, right, that gets
the attention. It's like, is it really to think about
spin class? That's the ladies.
Speaker 1: Got it.
Speaker 4: That's where I went with it. But anyway, so see,
the thing what Larry is is I'll try to do
it in a short version. So he owes me a
little bit of money, right, and the only way that
he tells me he's going to pay it back is
if he can get some gigs as a stand up comedian.
That's how desperate we are. And so he wants to
come on and he's come on for the you know,
for the past couple of months. He comes out of
every once in a while to try some new material
to see how it works. So he's here again. Okay,
is that the you know? Is that the bid day Larry?
Speaker 11: Yeah, that that's it. It's a good thing to do.
It's just a little bit of money.
Speaker 3: Do you see? The practice? Is craft? Right's right? Exactly?
Speaker 4: Okay, So without further ado, here is Larry's latest stand
up act. I think he has like ten jokes jokes
and coach, go ahead, Larry, go ahead. Can you speak
a little?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Can he get near to the microphone so we can all.
Speaker 3: Rule number one. If you're going to just stand up,
you've gotta be close to the microphone. It's all about
he won't be iming delivery. Uh, poise up?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he won't be able to stand up.
Speaker 3: They ask you. If they ask you, we'd rather sit
down than you. Didn't make the grade?
Speaker 8: Are you?
Speaker 11: Is this loud enough?
Speaker 3: Yes? Okay? All right, Larry, get no respect.
Speaker 11: When I was born, the doctor slapped my mother.
Speaker 4: Okay I heard that, but okay, all right, I had
no respect.
Speaker 11: That was a kid. I played hide and seek. No
one will look would look for me.
Speaker 3: It slowed down a little bit. Yeah, let it, let
it breathe, let it show breeze. In case your audience
is still pondering the punchline.
Speaker 11: They're not not much to ponder there. My wife and
I were happy for twenty years. Then we met.
Speaker 4: Okay, number seven's the background laughter for this. Well, okay,
one one just stepped on that great show once again.
Speaker 11: Okay. I looked up my family tree and found out
I was the sap.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, please, that's're gonna say a cat was up there.
Speaker 11: I asked my old man if I could go ice
skating on the lake. He told me, wait till it
gets warm.
Speaker 3: Number five, please, I could tell.
Speaker 11: My parents hated me. My bath, I could tell my
parents hated me. My toys were a toaster and a radio.
Speaker 4: My bath toys were a toaster in the radio. Okay,
well five.
Speaker 11: I remember the time I was kidnapped. They sent a
piece of my finger to my father. He said, I
want more proof.
Speaker 4: This is Larry Loman, Larry trying out his new stand
up material. Go ahead, Larry.
Speaker 11: I told my wife I was seeing a psychiatrist. She
told me she was seeing a psychiatrist. Two plumbers and
a bartender.
Speaker 1: And her.
Speaker 3: I t guy, there you go, just to watch it.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 3: That is testimony sex with.
Speaker 11: Me only for a purpose. Last night it was the
time and egg.
Speaker 4: Do that one again, please, And in case the kids missed.
Speaker 11: My wife will only have sex with me for a purpose.
Last night it was the time and egg.
Speaker 4: Okay, we got that right, all right, next, please, Larry.
Speaker 11: I told my wife she should embrace her mistakes. She
hugged me.
Speaker 4: Okay, even the drama fell asleep in that one.
Speaker 11: I get no respect. My parents moved a lot, but
I always found them.
Speaker 4: All right, this is almost this is hopefully I did
no respect.
Speaker 11: I played in the sandbox. The cat kept covering me up.
Speaker 4: Okay, hopefully you have a big finish, do you.
Speaker 11: We're at the end here, Okay, I get no respect.
I bought a dog. He keep he keeps bringing me
to the park and leaving me there. Now, that was
unfil That last one was kind of unfulfilling. So I
got I've got one here.
Speaker 4: You have one of your own little visual thing.
Speaker 11: Okay, okay, well yeah yeah, okay, So I was, I was,
I was playing this, you know, the kids game this,
you know, and and it was and I got I
sustained a pretty serious injury. I spent a week in
the peekaboo.
Speaker 7: I see you.
Speaker 4: How how much money do you want me? I'm never
going to see this. Well, well, Larry, uh, keep at it.
I would say, don't let anyone, I would say your
dream exit stage left. Yeah, go quickly. All right, let's
clap for him so he won't totally feel bad. Now
you're going to go play pool? Is that the angle?
Speaker 11: Yes? I hope I do better there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, okay, so little self criticism goes a long way.
Thank you, Larry. And they'll talk too soon. Okay, all right, okay,
job listen. Do you want to quickly tell you men's
room story? Or is that something the back.
Speaker 11: Out a concert Saturday?
Speaker 3: Go ahead? And what concert was it?
Speaker 16: Bad sneakers, bad sneakers, A steely dan? Oh yeah, go ahead,
And so you know it's it's it's all. It's all
old guys pretty much in the in the audience. Of course,
they have an intermission so people can get up and pee.
So so I'm in the I'm in the men's room
and and all the urinals are I met.
Speaker 8: One of the urinals.
Speaker 11: Sorry, ladies, to bring up a gross subject, and they're
all they're all occupied. Yes, So the people are stacking
up behind me, and one of them comes in and
he says, full house, at which point I reached up,
pulled the handle. I said, your full house meets my
flush coming all right, timing, timing it brought it brought
the men's room down.
Speaker 3: Did it really?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's to be proud of.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: I thought you were going to say, let me see
your hand and I'll show your mind.
Speaker 4: Wait, hey, well listen you you work in the small rooms.
That's good.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 11: Next to me, by the way, he kind of nudges
me that we're close together, he said, he looks down.
He says, look at that. That's that's a that's a
four fingered grip. I said, yeah, but you're pissing on
three of them.
Speaker 3: Wow. Why did I ask him? He could have?
Speaker 4: You know, you know, the dog leaving him in the
park was kind of a high note. He could have
left then. Okay, so let's let's kind of clap from
let's the kind of luke wama bas Larry, Thank you, Larry. Okay,
we'll see you soon. Good luck with your career.
Speaker 3: Let us start when you're going to be appearing or disappearing,
whatever the case at McDonald's.
Speaker 4: Guys, with that, all right, thanks for appearing, so thanks
for appearing. So anyway, okay, well after that, for Rality,
you know what we should do?
Speaker 3: Why don't we do?
Speaker 4: We should we just piv because we have the guests
coming on at later on in the show. Who is
going to convince us that the earth is flat and
it's Lucifer's fault. So Lucifer's Lucifer is reason Luifer is
that his name, Lucifer is the reason that we apparently
live on a flatter Yeah, so let's see what happens.
So we should pivot to Brandy because Brandy has a report, Right, Brandy,
I do have you given us the hot yet?
Speaker 13: They haven't?
Speaker 4: Please and clap Susan. Susan's clapping, we're going to call it.
Speaker 3: So was that a hot? Was that a hot club?
Or was that something? I think Susan is working a
little one finger hot.
Speaker 4: The one finger hot, that's the stint in this hot. So,
uh so, what's your what's the topic tonight, Brandy?
Speaker 14: Happic tonight is the miraculous spiral staircase of the Loretto Chapel.
Speaker 4: Oh nice, Okay, go ahead, please okay.
Speaker 14: So for this report I used a book by Joe Nicol,
the Citrus County Chronicle online, the National Catholic Register, Cup
of Joe podcast, The Body of Santa dom and Loretto
Community dot org and Loretto Chapel dot com. So this
miracle took place in Santa Fe, New Mexico, in the
nineteenth century. Although Mexico, New Mexico did not become a
state until nineteen twelve, the capital of Santa Fe was
actually established in sixteen oh eight, and it's the oldest
capital city of any state in the country. And in
the eighteen hundreds they were establishing Catholic missions due to
westward expansion, and they were springing up in the southwest
in California, and there was a French missionary in the
Southern States named John the Baptiste LeMay, and he had
this vision that he was supposed to build a chapel
in the southwest of the US. And so in eighteen
fifty two he and seven nuns traveled from Kentucky in
a covered wagon and on horseback and on foot for
over one thousand miles to Santa Fe in order to
start this Girl's Academy there, which was the first or
one of the first schools west of the Mississippi, and
the mother Superior actually died along the way because the
trip was so difficult, so when they got there, it
was him and seven nuns to establish the school. They
thought they were there to enlighten the people of the Southwest,
and so after the school was built, Father le May
thought he had to build a chapel, and the archbishop
at the time commissioned a father and son architectural team
of Antoine and Projectice Mooley, who were from France, and
they drew up plans for this chapel and construction on
the chapel began in eighteen seventy three and they used
locally wrought sandstone to build the chapel, and by eighteen
seventy four the father Antoine Mulei, his eyes became so
bad that he had to go back to France and recuperate,
which left his son to complete the chapel on his own.
So it took years, and by eighteen seventy eight the
chapel was pretty much complete, and it was the first
of its kind in the Southwest, and it was in
the Gothic Revival style, and it had stained glass windows
that came from France, and statues that came from France,
and an organ that came from France. But before the
interior was completely finished, in eighteen seventy nine, the son
architect projectis died of pneumonia. And so there was a
choir loft at the back of this chapel that was
twenty two feet high that didn't have a stairway to
it because the only thing that wasn't completed was the stairway.
Speaker 13: So they had been using a ladder to get up
and down for construction, but the.
Speaker 14: Nuns in their habits did not want to have to
climb up and down this ladder to get to the
choir loft. They tried four years to hire someone to
complete a staircase to the loft, but no one was
skilled enough to complete it, and one carpenter told the
sisters that only a master of sacred geometry could come
up with a working solution for the staircase because of
the space that was so limited. So finally the legend
or into the legend, and that is that the sisters
got together and prayed this novella, which is a Nine
Day Prayer, and they prayed to Saint Joseph, who is
the patron saint of carpenters, and they asked him for help.
He is the father of Jesus, and he's also known
as the silent Silent Saint because there are.
Speaker 13: No quotes from him in the Bible.
Speaker 14: And at the end of the novella the Nine Day Prayer,
a mysterious stranger arrived on supposedly a donkey, and he
had just a few hand tools, carpentry hand tools with him,
and he seemed to have just mysteriously appeared out of
the desert sand. He told the sisters he was there
to build a staircase for them, but he said if
he was going to do that, he had to have
complete privacy and they couldn't watch him. And so they
actually adjusted their worship schedule around his building schedule. And
at the end of six months or different accounts at
different times, some say three months and some say only
a week.
Speaker 13: Anyway, at the end of.
Speaker 14: That whatever time period it was, the stranger was suddenly gone,
and the sisters entered the chapel to find a spiral
staircase leading from the main floor into the choir loft.
The stranger did not even collect payment for the construction,
and so the sisters checked the lumber yards in the area,
and no lumberyard had a record for any purchase for
the convent. Because they thought maybe they had a bill,
or he had left the bill with a lumberyard. Nobody
had ordered any lumber for the convent, and nobody had
a bill for them. And one account that I read
said that they the lumberyards actually placed like a personal
ad in the newspaper looking for the builder, but nobody
ever came forward. So the finished twenty two foot tall
spiral staircase was completed in eighteen eighty one, and it
was considered miraculous by the sisters for a few reasons.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 14: First of all, it was constructed without any nails or
screws at all.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right.
Speaker 14: Secondly, it made two complete rotations for seven hundred and
twenty degrees and did not have an internal supporting column.
Speaker 13: To brace it with.
Speaker 3: Wow. Okay, yeah.
Speaker 13: Number three.
Speaker 14: There were exactly thirty three steps, which is a sacred number.
It's the number of years that Christ supposedly lived. It's
also a sacred number in the Masonic Order, which are
known as craftsmen.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Kim, thank you, It's all yeah. Also, Larry
Bird's number, isn't it? I'm sorry, go.
Speaker 3: Ahead please, you would know.
Speaker 14: It's also in numerology and occult circles a divine master,
craftsman teacher number, so that anyway, that was significant. Number four,
the wood that was used to build the staircase was
like no other wood known to be found on earth.
And I'll get into that in a minute, okay. And
number five, the mystery builder apparently was an answer to
the nuns prayers, and in fact they completely believed that
the builder was Saint Joseph himself, who appeared in human
form and built the staircase.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 6: I just want to just stop that, Brandy. I I
just looked up you know, that staircase on my phone.
It just showed me a picture of it, the picture
of it holy, but but but but but incredible. How
what is the I mean, I even can't describe what
this is. How's the physics of that? There's nothing in
the nothing in the I mean, it's beautiful, Oh my god,
what beautiful. It's It's like a real work about it
is stunning.
Speaker 3: But can you do can you do that?
Speaker 1: Can you?
Speaker 3: How can you do? You figured out a way to
do it. I don't know how you support it, but
it's that's part of.
Speaker 13: Why it's considered miraculous. But we're going to get into that.
Speaker 3: Okay, go ahead, Please can you put that video in
front of the camera kind of zoom? Can you put
it in front of the camera that that shot? It
seems okay because I was going to try to about
the video.
Speaker 1: You can see front of the.
Speaker 4: Now that's a polling picture. I'll train that picture.
Speaker 13: It's actually like a double heeli.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, na yeah, the universe. Yeah, that's good, that's good.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: What year was this branding? What year was that was?
Speaker 13: It was completed in eighteen eighty one?
Speaker 3: Wow? What time? All right? So it defies construction quality
in terms of structure. Yeah, it looks like a lot some.
Speaker 6: Curved wood on the bottom suspending it. But yeah, to
curve that kind of wood, man, you.
Speaker 3: Need a lot of You gotta heat it, and you
gotta get and you got to wait a lot of
time to curve that. You got to really do some
fancy work.
Speaker 4: Well, unless you're around the sun is the sun of God? Yeah,
just twisted for you. Go ahead, please bring it, okay.
Speaker 14: So, because the staircase was basically a floating corkscrew that
was attached at the top and attached on the floor,
it actually had a buoyancy to it, so it made
it feel like you were floating as you ascended and
descended it, and it actually had a springing effect. It
was built originally without a banister, though, so there was
no handrail, and so it was extremely dangerous for the
nuns to climb up and down, and so reportedly in
their diaries, the nuns said that they were so scared
of falling that they would climb up on their hands
and feet like a crab climb, and then like sit
down backwards and like move from step to step on
their behind coming down, so they didn't fall.
Speaker 4: Okay. Can I just insterrupt for just one second? Okay,
only because I went through Catholic elementary school.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: So this whole thing started because the nuns were bitching
about how they couldn't go up there in the first place, right, yes,
So then they go through somehow this saint appears, comes
in and builds this miraculous literally miraculous staircase, and they're
still bitching about it, am I right? Okay, okay, go on.
This sounds like typical muns.
Speaker 7: But can I can I ask a question, Yes, where
did Joseph come back again to do the railing?
Speaker 3: Ya?
Speaker 13: That is a good question.
Speaker 14: In eighteen eighty seven, the railings and a banister were installed,
and one of the resources that I used was an
interview with this master carpenter that I'll get into a
little bit more, but in this section anyway, He stated
that back in the day and even now, people that
make staircases make staircases, and separate craftsmen make the banisters
and railings even today.
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 13: This, whoever, this builder, whoever this was at.
Speaker 14: The time, would have thought my job is done because
the job of making the banister and the railing would
have fallen on someone else. They just didn't commission anybody
for it until six years later.
Speaker 3: I didn't do a novena for that. I don't know.
They're too busy climbing up and down the thing.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: Okay, so already these mun's calling posy a lot of trouble.
Speaker 3: But I was literally a stairway to heaven.
Speaker 13: Wasn't it literally? Exactly?
Speaker 14: Okay, So regarding the wood, used that supposedly is like
no other wood on earth in nineteen oh and let
me mention, I'm sorry, uncle Al. The soppet underneath the
stairs that you said was so beautiful and carved out
of like a curving piece of wood or whatever, is
actually more like a veneer that was installed when the
banister was installed. Because again, that would not have been
something that the original constructor of the stairs themselves would
have added would have done, so that was actually added
when the banisters were at it.
Speaker 13: But it's beautiful, so he said.
Speaker 3: I'm here to do the stairs, lady. So the bill right, Yeah, you.
Speaker 6: Guys like that, I mean to bend wood that thick
that long into that form, you would need a serious
amount of equipment and a heavy duty like autoclave thing
you could shove it into and get it hot and
wet enough you could spin it.
Speaker 4: So that's how you do it. You get you soak
it and then you get it hot and then it's
pliable a little bit.
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, but this thing, Lent, I'm sorry to keep
interrupting you, Brandy. I went into a place in Ipswich
where they make the collars that go on the masts
of ships yep, the old wooden ships and this guy
still makes them the same way. And he has a
trough of like this water with some kind of soapy
mix in it, and he has electric heaters like from
a water heater and shoved into both ends of it,
and he soaks the wood in there to get it
like basically steaming it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. When he pulls it out, they can
twist hoard it into the shape and lock it. Yeah.
Once it drives and it's it's in that shape for good. Yeah.
This guy would do little ones.
Speaker 6: Wow, And it was a big project doing that stairways
way he did it a trailer truck. You need a
piece of equipment trailer truck size to put that piece
of wood in. You need a whole bunch of people
to be twisting it and a lot of vices to
hold it down right and to make it twist conforming.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't like all over the place heaven that would.
Speaker 13: Yeah, like one guy on a donkey with some carpentry tools.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 17: Now that fits the bill for freemasons and what they
do too, and under anonymous pretenses right like where they
do stuff that none of us would ever know about.
Speaker 8: Only the lodges. But they do some weird like not weird,
but I mean some really interesting activities that are kind
of based behind the order self, right, But that almost
sounds like something that they would do because that's their
their numbers. To thirty three is Freemason number.
Speaker 4: There's a is it really that's the highest level three degrees?
Speaker 1: Thirty three degrees is what it is.
Speaker 6: But there is the thirty three the one that's not
like there are very few thirty third degree nations, I believe,
like ex presidents and things. That's like being the Yeah,
there's very you have to be the uh the big
Uba Guba Grand puba stuff.
Speaker 4: There's a chapel in Scotland. It's in Rosland, Scotland, and
not only where it's located is more UFO is a
scene in this part of Scotland than any other place
in the world. Okay, it's called the fal Kirk Triangle
and the Roslind Chapel is right in the middle of it.
And it was built in let me see, maybe twelve
hundred at least two hundred years before or Columbus quote
unquote discovered America. In the columns. Okay, there are helixes
we were talking about a helix earlier. There are helixes
like that looked like DNA helixes, and there's this is
all carved in stone and the pillars, and there's obviously
what is corn, okay, like corn on corn stocks okay,
But no one knew anything about corn until they came
to the New World and brought it back to the
Old world. So they say, well, how do these not
only how do they know about DNA helixes, but how
do they know about corn? And why would they why
would they do it? Why would they take all the
time to com this into the stone? And they found
and it turns out that's the same place at the
end of the Da Vinci code, your friend's book that
they find the secret in. And they also found two
knights template buried on this place. But it's two hundred
years later now after the Knight's time were you know,
all kind of murdered and then sent into exil. So
the question is, I don't know about here. It looks
sounds like the same thing here, and how doing about
corn and all these codes and stuff like that. So
you're right, the Freemason's supposedly the descendants of the Knight's templa.
And it's this tradition that keeps on going that they
show up and do this kind of extraordinary you know.
Speaker 3: Where do they learn this stuff?
Speaker 4: Professional things? Where do they learn?
Speaker 3: Yeah? What racist people passed down? Passed down from someone?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 14: The carpenters that turned everything down were the ones that
said only someone skilled in sacred geometry would be able
to build this staircase. So it could have been because
those people in those orders are, you know, supposedly skilled
in sacred geometry.
Speaker 4: So okay, go ahead, okay.
Speaker 14: So as far as the wood that was used, that
was like no other. In nineteen ninety six, a sample
of the wood from the staircase was analyzed by retired
forester and wood technologists from the US Forestry Service who
studied the sample for over fifteen months and determined that
the wood used was a type of spruce, but was
not indigenous to New Mexico, and he could not match
the sample to any other spruce known, and even suggested
that it be its own species, which he referred to
as the Loretto spruce. It has a close relative of
a species of spruce that's native to Alaska, which is
thirty five hundred miles away from Santa Fe. But it
doesn't exactly match that spruce in Alaska. And so this
interview with this master carpenter named James Baldwin, who was
an expert in wood turning and staircase design and construction.
Speaker 13: His assertion is.
Speaker 14: That this that a staircase made like this would be possible.
And he noted that the tabernacle in Salt Lake City
was completed in eighteen seventy and was supported on the
inside with trusses and no nails, and the trusses were
lashed into place with what raw hide and wooden pegs
were used, and that that ceiling did not need any
renovation for one hundred and fifty years. So wow, he
was saying it's possible to do this kind of work.
He didn't say how it was possible for one man
to do this, but anyway, he said that the inside
spiral of this staircase acts as the center pole, and
so it takes away the need for a center pole
because it the physics of it allows for the absence
of the suninter pole, and the the construction of the
steps throws all the load to the outside stringer or
the outside line that connects the steps. And so when
you have a spiral staircase, all the steps are like
a pot piece of pie.
Speaker 13: They're like all wedge shaped.
Speaker 14: And so he said, nobody's going to walk on the
inside of that little bitty bitty's space. They're going to
walk on the outside. So because all the load is
carried on the outside, you don't need the center pole
on the inside.
Speaker 13: To bear the weight.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't you have to? I t to moments, I mean,
take a couple of courses.
Speaker 6: Anyway, I've assembled a couple of spiral staircases, modern ones
that are made out of metal with wooden steps, and
just building those is a.
Speaker 4: Is a project. You know, Yeah, that's crazy. Go ahead,
go ahead, Okay.
Speaker 14: So, as far as the kind of wood used this,
James Baldwin said that the wood used is very similar
to Sitka spruce, which is the spruce that they found
in Alaska that was its close relative. But that the
Sitka spruce grows from northern California up into Alaska. But
it's also the most common ship building material of the
nineteenth century, which Uncle Al was talking about, and this
kind of spruce was shipped all over the world to
use in building ships. So it's possible that there could
have been some of it in New Mexico because the
Santa Fe Trail, you know, carried goods back and forth,
so it's possible that they could have acquired some. But again,
if the lumber yards had no record of it, I
don't know.
Speaker 1: This.
Speaker 14: James Baldwin also said that this kind of spruce is
a relative to the Norway spruce, which was a very
popular spruce used in France. And all of the builders
were French in the architects and a lot of the
other parts of the chapel came from France, so maybe
the wood came from France too, and that's why it
wasn't from the lumber yards there. There just isn't record
of it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Norway connections interesting because that's where you have a
nail lists churches built.
Speaker 3: Yes really, yeah.
Speaker 8: Too, And the Sitka spruce is also used to build
a mosquito that's being built.
Speaker 3: The fight the plywood airplane.
Speaker 14: Yeah, okay, interesting, Well for those of you who are
interested in this. James Baldwin referenced this elite nineteenth century
book called The Scientific Stair Builder by Robert Riddell, which
describes how to build all kinds of stairs, including these
double helix seven hundred and twenty degrees by real staircases
that a lot of the elite people wanted in their
you know, lavish homes of the day.
Speaker 13: So there it's like a.
Speaker 14: Technique that was used but then it was lost, you know,
for I don't know how many years people you know,
till today that we haven't used it because people haven't
used these kind of staircases in their homes.
Speaker 3: Right, what is that? What what gives it? The the
kind of.
Speaker 4: That idea that you're walking on something the soft or
you said, it's kind of like almost like walking on.
Speaker 14: Air because the actual it is actually the load bearing
ends of the staircase are the top step and the
bottom step, and so there's nothing underneath the other stairs.
And it was built specifically to give because it was wooden,
that it was built to give so it wouldn't break
or crack. And so when you're walking on it, it
does have like a you feel like a buoyancy to it,
like you're almost like it's vibrating or you're moving about no.
Speaker 6: Center pole, and like you say, you know the inner
part of it really isn't load bearing. But I'm sure
when you step on the step that must give more
than the outer so you can see that making it
it would have to Yeah, it'd have to be a
little flexi. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I bet twenty two feet.
I mean that's not that's a pretty uh a figure
that if they use a single piece of wood to
run that outer stringer by itself, it would how many
you know, twenty two feet? The second isn't it it
would be thirty five feet because you're you're spending, spending,
you're losing a lot of would that be just mysteriously appearing.
I can't even imagine the wagons in the day you
would need to haul up there.
Speaker 4: So now, did anyone you know, really look into who
this guy was or did he just come and build
it and then he disappeared?
Speaker 14: Yes, there was a woman and I didn't get her name.
But on this cupa Joe podcast James Baldwin interview, he
references this woman's book who.
Speaker 13: Wrote about.
Speaker 14: A particular French builder who was all throughout the Southwest
during the late eighteenth or nineteenth century, and it's her
theory that he's the guy that did it and why
they don't have a record of it. He didn't elaborate
in this interview, but maybe she mentions that in her book.
And I'm sorry I didn't get the name of her
or her book, but she thinks it's this particular well
known French builder that.
Speaker 3: Was just there's the area, it's just there and built
this incredible.
Speaker 6: Had you had to be I mean, that's such a
specific job. Yeah, that is such a Nietzsche and the planet,
the planet, you know, I there were carpenters and then
there were woodworkers, right, Yeah, a carpenter can build things,
but it takes a skill to build something like that.
That is Those are the type of guys that God
your double well, you use them for that and then
they go away and they're not going to be bothered
there or nailing or put a wall up for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're such a you know, a spiral
guy isn't going to just be walking by.
Speaker 6: Even to this day, you look up people that can
stair builders, or you go into my house and you
look at the stairs in my house.
Speaker 3: They're hideous.
Speaker 6: And that's the one thing that my wife says all
the time, I hate those stairs and I look at
I'm not a stair builder.
Speaker 4: You need this guy to me there, he's probably he's
probably a union carpenter, so you don't worry about that.
It's a permit. Well, Brandy, that's crazy story, man, that's
a that's I'm glad I heard that.
Speaker 3: I've never heard it before. But it's just another example
that weird stuff happens.
Speaker 14: Yes, and this is it's weird. There's like some kind
of vortex in Santa Fe. It's part of this triangle
with Taos and Sedona and Santa Fe, and so there's
like some kind of energy shift or like magnetic pull
or something that people have like I guess identified in
the area.
Speaker 18: And so.
Speaker 14: The fact that this staircase is a double helix, a
lot of spiritualists think that it's actually like amplifying that
vortex energy like the staircase itself, and that that's why,
like people see the staircase glowing sometimes when there's a
lot of prayer in the chapel, they see shadow people
near the staircase, and they hear things in the chapel
and in the convent grounds and things, and they think
it's because the shape of it, the double helix shape
of it is actually amplifying all that vortex energy in
the area.
Speaker 4: There's the taws Helm. There's a hum of people in
Tows and actually here I like ten percent of the
people here and all the time, and they can't get
rid of it. I mean, there's one guy who actually
put himself in a box and a coffin and had
himself buried six feet on the ground and he could
still hear the hum. And they can also hear it
in a place called Bristol, England. There's like two or
three places around the world that people have this this
home and they can't find it. They can't find the
source of it. Not everyone hears it, but if you
hear it, you hear it all the time.
Speaker 3: Is the one in Bristol the same exact frequency as
the one that I don't know?
Speaker 13: People think that Bristol near the Rustling Chapel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Bristol is in northern England, I guess, so, so
what people thought the Bristol one was it was because
there's a lot of electric wise, it's a very kind
of post war in the city, and there's the wind
going through the wires, you know. But but in Taos, Uh,
there's not the many ways apparently, so yeah, the tiles hump.
So well, Brandy, can we clap for you now?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you. That was interesting.
Speaker 6: You know, there's a lot of miraculous things that happened,
like Max said, but not many of them leave a
twenty two foot Yeah yeah, you know proof they exist
right out there in the open. I mean, people see
the thing.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 14: The biggest miracle is where did this guy come from? Really,
somebody came along and actually built this thing.
Speaker 4: He left, he left the proof. Yeah, yeah, oh that's crazy.
Thank you, Brandy. We appreciate it.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 4: We're going to give you hots now, Okay, I make
that one one that's a hot not a circle shop it.
Uh so, why don't we do uh, why don't we
take a break? Uh and uh we'll be right back.
Thank you, Brandy. And what you're listening to? Wow, Back
Maloney's Military excell Show Here in the distant thunder D
New Network. Please stay tuned. Hey everyone, we're here with
Chris Billi is senior producer and engineer at the very
famous Bristol Recording Studios in Boston. Hey Chris, hey Mac, Now,
Bristol's got this program that's always fascinating to me. Now,
let me see if I got this right. You can
take something as simple as someone singing into their phone
and turned it into a fully produced song.
Speaker 1: Is that right?
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's pretty much it.
Speaker 18: You send us your demo, could be a ben, could
be you and a guitar.
Speaker 1: We'll build it up.
Speaker 18: We'll work on the vocals at instant it's maybe bring
in some session players, whatever it takes to make it
sound finished, professional, like something you'd actually hear on Spotify.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And the cool thing is you don't even have to
go to Boston to do it right.
Speaker 1: Nope, it's all virtual.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 18: We trade files, jump on Zoom and build it together
lay by layer, kind of like baking, and just keep
adding the good stuff until it's right.
Speaker 3: Well that's nice, but what about the cost.
Speaker 1: It really depends on.
Speaker 18: The project, But we talk everything through before we start.
It's meant to be accessible no matter what kind of
music you're doing, rock, pop, even musicals.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, you've done musicals.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we've done musicals.
Speaker 3: Really okay, Well, I love it.
Speaker 4: So if someone's got a demo and wants to take
it to the next level, what should they do?
Speaker 18: Just head to Bristol Studios dot com and look for
a recording. We'd love to hear what you're working on.
Speaker 4: Okay, we'll fulcome back if you went to Mac Maloney's
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This is Mac Maloney. We're broadcasting live. Will stop a
Galley Restaurant, fifty five Wata Street, New report in Massachusetts.
Great seafood restaurant, Great Hamburgers, great steak and cheese, Sammi
and anything they do with onions is to dine for
like the French onion soup punches. Okay, look at the cat.
Speaker 3: The cat's waiting to be introduced.
Speaker 1: This is.
Speaker 4: Okay, we're in the middle of the show here, let
me let me wow, let me quick. We introduced the
members of the Polase Girls. You see the very famous
wan Hello.
Speaker 3: Girls, Hello guys too. You know I'm not trying to
discriminate in any way. Welcome to the show. And because
the first the first half was really mysterious. Really yes, okay,
yeah it is. I went to some homework on it.
When I get home. It's like it's going to be.
Speaker 4: A test later also with us uh here at the
stab of Galley is our engineer, producer, et cetera, Alenando.
Speaker 6: Hello Mac, Hello everybody. I'm still trying to figure out
how that guy built that staircase.
Speaker 18: That.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's really nutty after I introduced it, when you
have to tell the the cat adventure down at the
ripicle at the other night, the cat adventure like he
doesn't believe. Oh yeah yeah that or that. Also with
us is security chief Willie Club w C.
Speaker 1: Mac.
Speaker 3: Great to be here, Shamrock and place.
Speaker 7: Everyone. I'm gonna I'm thinking, No, I think I'm gonna
go build myself a nice stair staircase.
Speaker 6: Yes, good name for a band. I think that I
cheaped out club. I went and bought one off Facebook
marketplace and I had to remove it and that was
a bear. You try to take it out?
Speaker 14: Uh.
Speaker 4: Also with us is a good friend. Uh Susan Kay
down there in North Carolina. Hopefully that's a dog in
front of you, isn't.
Speaker 12: It's your best friend.
Speaker 3: I'll get that.
Speaker 4: Oh he has a hypnotic stare. That's the problem. I
dream about this cat. Can you yeah, okay, can you
let you do anything? Anything you do?
Speaker 3: He's cool with it.
Speaker 12: Your voice that does it?
Speaker 4: Max voice can't he go eat, sleep or you know
what else can he do?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 4: But thank you for being with us, Susan, thank you
for having me.
Speaker 12: It's nice to see you all.
Speaker 4: Also up there. And now his content is Brandy, nice, Brandy,
how are you hi?
Speaker 13: Everybody?
Speaker 14: I'm so great and so happy to be here.
Speaker 4: I almost said Sarah Palin again, but oh, there is
the hot wandering there.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 3: It is a Sarah Palin. Can we bring up a
graphic of Sarah Palin? And you really want to do that?
I'm not going to hold one on my phone either.
Speaker 6: I think you're remembering Sarah Palin from the time when
she was in the Spotlight, Yeah, which was a number
of years ago. To give you a short I'm current,
we're all, we're all thinking back to what he's saying. Now,
she's an old bag.
Speaker 1: Now I'm saying.
Speaker 6: I'm saying that Brandy's a younger, a lot younger than
Sarah Palin. And she looks like Sarah Palin did a
number of years. And that's what I'm trying to say.
Is Susan put that up?
Speaker 3: Is that is that her?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's Brandy fifty years Yeah, she does.
Speaker 13: You know, I think that's a compliment. She's pretty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're better looking than her. Actually, oh, Kim,
that's what I was trying to get you, without being
obviously I think. I thank you.
Speaker 1: Kim.
Speaker 4: Also with us is a good right up there they
were in Edmonton, Canada. Kim shake, Kim. Okay, I'm good.
Speaker 8: I'm great. Freaking a little Valentines with a little soda
and I'm feeling just fine here.
Speaker 4: I looked at him a little while agoing and looked
a little bit like Jeffrey yesterday.
Speaker 3: I can't go there. Thank you.
Speaker 8: That's a good looking guy, though, I mean, that's probably okay.
Speaker 3: We don't have to.
Speaker 6: We don't want to edit the show. If he was
in the Witness Protection program, you'd be in trouble. See
what happened.
Speaker 8: I'm just glad you know that I never ran into him. Man, no, man,
any of those guys. Honestly, I almost got dragged in
New York back in the eighties to do some modeling,
and I just was like, no, I'm not going there.
I'm not doing that.
Speaker 3: Hold on time he went.
Speaker 8: Yes to the guy that I was going with, Bruce Greenwood.
Speaker 4: What kind of modeling? Can please tell us.
Speaker 8: For like Ford or whatever. Back in the day, I
used to do some modeling on the side, just for
just for fun. I like clothes.
Speaker 3: He was a male model. You were a male model.
Speaker 4: Is that what you said?
Speaker 14: Yeah?
Speaker 8: For a little while. Really, wow, I was hoping to
be an actor. I wanted to go to New York
and try out for one of the you know, one
of the soap operas.
Speaker 4: But oh yeah, well shoot, so your male model.
Speaker 1: Speak me to it.
Speaker 8: Bruce beat me to it. I think he was like
born in Jasper in our province here. But anyway, no, digress,
I did digress.
Speaker 4: I just so, so your male model in New York
in the eighties, well, they.
Speaker 8: Were trying to drag me there, but I didn't. I
didn't want to do it. I was kind of a
I don't know, I kind of a hometown guy, and
I didn't really.
Speaker 3: Want to go to New York and get a coke problem.
Speaker 8: Okay, I get bent over, I guess I was.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's probably something else in Canadian we don't know.
Speaker 8: I didn't want to get bent over, so I was
like getting there.
Speaker 3: I don't know. How do you know if somebody likes
Bruce Head, you look up that term now.
Speaker 4: But listen, now we know why he looks so much
like an act of everything, you know, because he's actually model.
Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 6: Look for him to come on full time, yeah, to
figure to get this, get the point across.
Speaker 3: Listen.
Speaker 4: I want to introduce I guess, but I want to
do the cat story too, because so first let's juice
I guess. Tonight, Don Campbell, we're gonna clap you down, God,
glad to see, thanks for joining us, Thank you. Okay,
now where are you done when you were located.
Speaker 1: In God's waiting room Florida?
Speaker 4: Oh wow, okay, wow, you're right. Well, at least you
have a sense of humor. But uh so yeah, yeah,
it just tells quickly the name of your book. You
have a book out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the name of the book is Lucifer's Flat Earth,
and it's actually written by Dylan Campbell. Dylan is my
pen name. Okay, So it's Lucifer's Lucifer's Flat Earth, Okay,
Dylan Campbell at Amazon.
Speaker 4: Okay, So if you can sit on that for a second,
so I don't forget this. I just got to pivot
to this what happened the other night because we're not
gonna like it, but yeah, but I feel I have
to repeat it, Okay, so and don just stay with us, please.
So we go down to this is a week ago throughsday.
We go down to the riptide, the rip cord, the
old beach coma down the beach, right. Everyone knows, we
talk about it all the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and.
Speaker 4: It's known for having a tract of waitresses and bathen
is what you say, And that's true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, by design, I think by design?
Speaker 4: And and and there was it was does does a
woman in there who works in there now? And her
name is Asia a j A named after the Steely
Dance song, and she's very attractive and so uh else.
Speaker 3: First off, we didn't we didn't know who she was
named after. No, right, I think I asked her, well,
I don't know Asia, Asia like the Steely Dance song, right,
because I was thinking Asia like the country of the band.
Speaker 4: Not as a j A, right, And I was hoping
for that. So anyway, six months ago, by it and
now I work up enough covers to talk to her again, okay,
and her and Lois are good friends, and every time
we go in there, it's it's you know them, not me.
So I finally say to her, do you like the
song Asia? This is after you know, a bunch of
jack and stuff? And she says, no, it's my It's
my parents' favorite song, and that's why I'm named after
and and she says, you know, I heard it a
lot as a kid. So she put she goes, of
all steely dance songs, that's my favorite. It's probably the
only wit And she's into bad Bunny and all this stuff. Okay,
So I'm finally like, you know, I'm now communicating with
this girl after a year and a half. And in
the middle of it, if somehow Al's cats come up, okay, okay,
and I and she's just standing there, and I go,
I'll get on that microphone because we'll need you a testimony.
Speaker 3: Somehow do you I don't remember? How can I do?
How you flat out asked you hate cats?
Speaker 1: Don't know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's always that's always the leading question.
Speaker 6: Well him and I were talking, You're talking about the cats,
we were talking about other okay, whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And then so then she's standing there. Now, let me
give you a picture. Let me let me draw the
picture of this woman. And I'm not trying to be gone.
I'm not trying to be judgmental or anything. Okay, the
woman has like almost a buzz cut marine white you know, hair,
buzz cut marine do cats up and down both arms?
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 6: I look at her and I'm like, yeah, okay, sure
you we can't go to in depth in this, but no, no,
I'm not gonna have a joke of orange here by
the Wakay you know.
Speaker 3: So, he in the middle of this asks her, you
hate cats, don't you know? I don't say that.
Speaker 4: I didn't I say, Asia, you don't like cats? Do
you hoping she's gonna go I hate cats? And and
now just a little bit not that you know, I'm believe.
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 3: Uh ask the queen if she hated cats?
Speaker 1: Of course.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no no, So of course she goes
At first, I think she goes, cats, I hate cats.
But what she really says was cats, I've had eight cats.
Okay for the next hour and a half.
Speaker 3: Almost sounds the same, but a different meeting.
Speaker 4: An hour and a half cats in the middle of
which I actually went home and came back. It's Al
and Asia and everyone else in the restaurant talking about cats.
It was a literal cathouse she's bringing out the bus
boys come out and look at Al's cat. Her brother, Yeah,
her brother, And now's they're showing these casts. He's Norwegian.
You know farm cats? Well now they forest cat far
are they in the country legally?
Speaker 3: They were born here? Yeah, I'll bet so anyway, So yeah,
so so thank you well, And that's.
Speaker 6: How here's how the story really goes. Okay, we're at
the bar having a couple of drinks and she's waiting on. Obviously,
he goes in there with his wife. I've lived on
that island for forty years. Go ahead, I've been in
I could count on easily both hands how many times
I've walked into that building because I have no part
of tourist traps.
Speaker 3: Okay, there that his prompting, let's just go get a
quick beer with the you. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I walk in there. He pops the you
hate cats question to this woman, who then shows us
a big armload of cats. Then he then he shuts
down and her and I talked casts for like five minutes.
Go ahead, and then afterwards he says to me, oh,
how do you and your girlfriend hit it off?
Speaker 10: There?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, you talk.
Speaker 6: Man, I'm like what, I'm like, you go in there,
you know, you and your wife talk to her. I
don't know her from a hole in the ground. So
and then he's like, well, you're gonna go back. I'm like,
I'm not going. I don't want I don't think so.
And I didn't want to say I think she hits
for the wrong team, brother, But you know what's tryng
with that? Well, that's good for her. But he says
to me, your girlfriend, and I'm like, we got my girlfriend.
Speaker 3: We got everything. Yeah, okay, I'll talk to her a
big time if you we got that out of the way.
It's uh, the other field this is she's dead strict,
dead straightaway center.
Speaker 6: And he wonders why when he says, let's go get
a bier somewhere, I'm like, I'm not so sure I
want to do this.
Speaker 4: Well anyway, okay, we got that out of the way.
I would have told them last week, but we had
a blizzard. So Don Campbell is still with us. He's
still here. Good, okay, Don? All right, how are you
doing so far?
Speaker 11: Good?
Speaker 3: How are you okay? Good?
Speaker 4: So you're down in Florida, right.
Speaker 3: You're originally from Massachusetts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was born in Boston, raised in Connecticut.
Speaker 3: Connecticut, New England.
Speaker 4: Yeah counts. But guys in England, what kind of which?
East coast, west coast and in the middle of what.
Speaker 1: I'm in Melbourne, which is right in the middle between
Jacksonville and Miami on the east coast.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, okay, right on the water. Yeah yeah, yeah,
I've been down there. I've been down at Delray Beach
a lot, and you know that part of town, you know,
kind of yeah, Boco, Raton and stuff. But anyway, all right, Florida,
I don't know how long you lived there, how long
you been there.
Speaker 1: I've been living here off and on for about fifteen years.
I spent a lot of time in Texas, in California.
I've lived all over the country. Okay, I've actually worked
in radio for thirty years.
Speaker 4: No really, yeah, well you get the voice. You definitely
get the voice for right when you said Grad's waiting
room is true because I went down there once with
Lois's father. You know, we were visiting and I had
to bring him to his doctor's appointment. We go in,
He's eighty four at the time, and he gives his
seat to someone who is elderly.
Speaker 3: Okay, I hope to do that myself, so so don
once again. The name of your book is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the name of the book is Lucifer's Flat Earth.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: Lucifer's Flat Earth. Okay. And now you're going to can
you convince us of the earth as flat as that
we we're we're up against.
Speaker 1: I'm actually going to go at it backwards, if you
don't mind. I'd like to talk about what you guys
believe in and what I used to believe in, okay,
and then compare it to what I believe now, which
I think is a better way to approach it, because
if you just come out and say I believe in
flat Earth, people think you're a lunatic.
Speaker 4: All right, I'll start. I believe in a round Earth. Okay,
all right, how let's take a survey, take a vote.
Speaker 3: Anyone around the Earth is spherical in some way? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Okay. Everyone is raising their hands except Kim. Okay, so
everybody's around Kim is uh.
Speaker 3: What do you think it is?
Speaker 8: I'm reading his book.
Speaker 1: Available at Amazon, and yet no, I'm let me tell you.
Speaker 3: Go ahead.
Speaker 1: Why don't I start there? Okay? The reason I call
the book Lucifer's Flat Earth. If I wrote it, no
one's going to read it because no one knows who
I am. So I had to think, who has the
greatest street cred in the world and is the best
liar in the world besides all the politicians. And it
has to be. So it comes down to three people, myself, God,
and Lucifer. All of us believe the Earth is flat.
One of us created it, another is trying to hide it,
and the third, myself, believes it. And the reason I
believe it is because of what I've seen, not about
the flat Earth, but what I've been told about the
round Earth. Are you ready to take a journey? All right?
Here we go. Now, four out of five of you
believe the Earth is round, and one of you is
kind of iffy, And I get that. People. My daughter said,
if she ever believed in the flat Earth, she'd have
to stay in the closet. Oh, it's gonna be ridiculedre
din't you guys believe? Go ahead, okay, if you believe
in the round Earth theory, you believe that Right now,
we're spinning at one thousand miles per hour. Simultaneously, we're
traveling around the Sun. At sixty six thousand miles per
hour or eighteen miles per second, and that little galaxy
of ours is actually moving at five hundred and eighty
six thousand miles per hour through the Milky Way, and
the entire universe is expanding at millions of miles per
hour simultaneously. So just for a moment, just picture that
in your mind, you're spinning out a thousand miles an
hour at the same time you're traveling at sixty six
thousand miles an hour. At the same time you're going
straight up at about four hundred and eighty six thousand
miles per hour, and the entire universe is expanding at
millions of miles per hour, all simultaneously. Right now, there's
a thing called Polaris, which is the North Star. And
I'm sure you've seen the time lapse photography where all
the stars revolve around the North Star, right, Yes, Okay,
every night they follow the same pattern. Every single star
and planet revolves around the north pole, the North star,
which is Polaris. If all of those stars and planets
are taking the same pattern every night for thousands of
years without variation, it is impossible. If you're going sixty
six thousand miles an hour around the Sun, spinning out
one thousand miles an hour and going through this little
galaxy at four hundred and eighty three thousand miles per hour.
That's just one thing. Let's not even talk about flatter
So yes, talk about the No.
Speaker 4: So you're saying, though, is that we're we're thought, we're
going in so fast in all these different directions, it's
impossible for Polaris to be in the same position forever.
Speaker 3: Is that what you mean? Yes, in the geosynchrono sord.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, it's it's it's kind of right. But everything
goes around.
Speaker 1: Let's not even talk about let's not even talk about
flat Earth. Come at it from a round earth perspective.
Go ahead and tell me how is it that all
of the stars and all of the planets rotate in
the same pattern every night around the North Star?
Speaker 4: Well, because because because you know, we're moving. We're moving,
you know what I mean, We're moving, but are all
the stars?
Speaker 9: But everything else is so anyway, go on to the moon.
The moon is can I just ask question? Go ahead,
We didn't catch your bio. Do you have a scientific background?
What is your background education wise with respect.
Speaker 3: He's a radio guy. He doesn't.
Speaker 1: I'm a radio guy.
Speaker 7: How did you get this knowledge that scientists and physicists
and all those have that's opposite beauty? Eys, I'm just
a little confused.
Speaker 1: Well, here's what I did. I sat down and I
got the Bible. I got another book called The Secret
Teachings of All Ages by Manly P. Hall. It's known
as the Satanic Bible.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: I also got the Book of Enoch, the Secret Teachings
of the Book of Enoch, the Book of Giants, the
Book of Josephus. I started to read all these books,
and what I found out is that the occult and
God agree about the cosmos, but NASA does not. Oh,
by the way, congratulations to NASA. They're about to go
around the moon. Oh wait, they're not going to do
that again. It's only been fifty six years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they did postpone that again, which yeah, there was
lack of interest. There's still they're supposed to an orbital uh,
go an orbit around the moon, you know, orbital in
that land, like in February, like February.
Speaker 1: What's happened is that bitch? Since Stanley uh, since Stanley
Cooper died. It's really hard to get.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, listen, did you want to get into
that now? And you want to tell the moon? Because
I can.
Speaker 1: I can choot down tell the moon story first. We'll
get it, doll.
Speaker 3: Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Basically, let's start with the moon. Now, most people believe
and if you believe in the round earth, this is
what you believe. I'm not putting thoughts in your mind.
This is what you believe.
Speaker 3: Go ahead.
Speaker 1: You believe that the moon reflects the sunlight? Correct?
Speaker 3: No, the moon reflects earthlight.
Speaker 1: Okay, but where does the moon? Where does the moon
get its light from? Is it reflecting it from the sun?
Speaker 3: Right? They? Yes?
Speaker 4: Sometimes the Earth blocks blocks all that all depends on
where the Moon's location is relative to the Earth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, explain this to me.
Speaker 1: How is the moon half lit? What is causing the
moon to be half lit where there's a line going
right down the middle. It can't be the spherical Earth
because it's curved, you know, it's it's a circle. So
what's causing only half of the moon to light up?
Speaker 4: Well, it's not you, it's you. Do I have any answer?
Should we keep going? It's not it's not a perfectly
defined half. I mean you look at it from Earth,
it looks like it's half or a clater or whatever.
It looks curvast, but it's but but yeah, you see
a curve like a smiley moon. A new moon is
is definitely like a smiley face.
Speaker 3: That's a smiley face sideways.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that way drunk smile.
Speaker 1: What's causing the smiley moon? Where is that shadow coming
from the Earth?
Speaker 3: The Earth block in the sun.
Speaker 1: It can't be that. That would be an eclipse, right,
but it's that's on an eclipse.
Speaker 4: We're not talking about Okay, normal the normal phases of
the moon, right some reason I want to.
Speaker 3: Club, yes, club.
Speaker 7: One of the questions, now, we see these images over
the last sixty years from space, from the moon of
the Earth, how do you explain those are the is
that like fake news?
Speaker 4: Should we go into that? Should we go into hot
how to they want to know? That's yeah, that's where
we want to go done.
Speaker 1: So any any any questions you guys have, just let
me just let me just tell me.
Speaker 7: How do you see how do you explain what we
get from NASA and from all the trips from to the.
Speaker 1: Moon and what NASA is NASA. And by the way,
I only lived like about forty miles from Cape Canaveral. Okay,
NASA is not a space agency. NASA is the largest
film studio in the world.
Speaker 4: I hope they make better movies than Hollywood.
Speaker 1: Let's let's survey the five of you, because I'm curious
about this one more than how many of you believe
we went to the Moon?
Speaker 3: I do, all of us, all of us? Yeah, I do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, okay, I believe.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what I was done on the
sound stage. Can I tell you why?
Speaker 4: Okay, let's say it's all right, so so to take
your point of view, so NASA had to say somehow
so so we they were shooting capsules into the you know,
after Jeff Case, we was going to go to the Moon.
By the end of the decade, they're doing the Mercury program,
the Gemini program. You know, they did everything, They orbited,
they did this, they did that. They sent Apollos to
the Moon just to go around the Moon and find
the Apollo eleven lands, Apollo twelve lands, Apollo thirteen doesn't
make it, but you go fourteen fifteen, and the last
one was sixteen. So no ah, seventeen. Okay, so we
landed there. So so what you would have to do
is create your the largest film studioever. You're right, but
you would have to create it would take you more time, effort, people, money,
years to create a film to fake it than to
actually go there.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: And and the number one thing you have to fake
is like this giant satin rocket taking off in Florida
with hundreds of thousands of with thousands of people watching
it live and and millions of people watching it on TV.
Speaker 3: How do you fake that?
Speaker 1: Well, it did take off, and it is a rocket,
and every rocket that takes off curves, and the reason
of curves is because it'll hit the dome.
Speaker 3: Hang on, Okay, all right, I want to hear the
rest of Don's explanation about Let's go back.
Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty eight. Nineteen sixty eight, Stanley Cooprick makes
a movie called two thousand and one, a Space Odyssey.
There are photographs of Cuprick with Arthur C. Clark, who
is or was a prolific science fiction writer actually satellite
and also with NASA.
Speaker 3: Yes, go ahead.
Speaker 1: The theory is, and I believe it is, that Stanley
Koprick was recruited by NASA to film the moon landing.
And if you think that's far fetched, there's a movie
that came out a year ago Starling's starring Scarlett Johansson
called fly Me to the Moon, and it's all about
how they came up with a fake moon landing. This
is a mainstream movie. They came up with a fake
moon landing in order to have a safeguard in case
it failed, because really what all of this was about
was beating Russia to the moon. If you go back
to nineteen sixty two, jfk said we will go to
the Moon and the space race had started. And then
that movie, again a mainstream movie starring Scarlett Johansson, they
came up with a backup plan to film the fake
moon landing. Now go back to nineteen sixty nine. I
was twelve. There were three channels, one of which was
Walter Cronkite. No one is going to doubt Walter cronkinin.
But if you take a survey today, most people that
were born after the advent of the Internet don't believe
we landed on the moon because they now have many
other resources that we didn't have back in the sixties.
Speaker 4: But those half of the resources A bullshit, you know.
I mean, let's say, correct think it's end to win
the space The Russia Russias didn't have the same problem.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I mean, let's go back even further.
Nineteen fifty seven, nineteen fifty six, Russia launches Sputnik, the
first satellite, which freaked out the Eisenhower administration because Russia
got the space before we did. And Kennedy, who came
after Eisenhower, vowed that we would land on the Moon
by the end of the decade, the nineteen sixties, and
that was known as the space race, right right. And
the contention I have is that it never happened because,
and here's the big game changer. The Moon is not
what we think. It is actually made of what is
known as cosmic jazma. It is a It is a
translucent disc that you cannot land on. It's not that
Man or NASA doesn't have the capability to get to
the moon. What I'm saying is you can't land on
the moon because the moon is a light. If you
go to the Book of Genesis, it says that God
created two great lights, the sun for the day and
the moon for the night. The sun's the greater light
and the moon's the lesser light. And the Book of
Enoch and the Book of the Secret Teachings of Enoch
back that up that the moon is in fact not
a rock but a light. Now, getting back to how
the light is projected, the Book of Enoch talks about
how the light from the Sun is absorbed by the
Moon and then projected to the Earth, so it's not reflected,
it's projected over a fourteen day period where it lights up,
becomes a full moon, and then this engages itself and
becomes a new moon after fourteen But.
Speaker 4: All right, so let's just say this. Okay, so there's
a thing right now. You can win the internet. Right now.
There's a Japanese satellite that has been orbiting the Moon
for I'm going to say three or four years. It
can you've read about this, right and you can go
on the internet and you will see this live going
around the moon.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: Now, the weird thing about the moon, I will I
will tell you this is the strange path of about
the moon is people think that the moon doesn't revolve,
but it does. It's only that one face of the
Moon faces the Earth. All the time, because the Earth
and the Moon revolved in perfect sink and that means perfect.
Speaker 1: They say it's in a they say it's in a
geosynchronous orbit. Did you see that? Speaking of video, did
you see that video the NASA release of them flying
behind the Moon as it was passing over the Earth. No, No,
you're a CGI, So so listen.
Speaker 3: So are you saying?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 4: Then everyone, all these astronauts who went to the Moon,
and all these people who built the capsules, built the rocket.
You know, the note's that built the satin rocket. Okay,
all these people are in on it, in on it
and not And thousands of them would not you know,
out of the thousands, another one would come forward from
a million bucks and go on.
Speaker 3: Nobody Nobody talked about on Debed and said, I tell
you up that you won't believe it.
Speaker 1: Well, Werner Brown, Werner Bron Bron did. He was the
rocket scientist recruited during Operation paper Clip.
Speaker 3: After World War Two.
Speaker 4: He was a Nazi scientist that brought on his tombstone.
Speaker 1: On his tombstone is Psalm nineteen one, which talks about
of God. But anyway, let's get back.
Speaker 3: What's that have to do? We didn't go there.
Speaker 1: It talked about God's firmament. No, it has nothing to
do with the moon. It talks about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what is the forever?
Speaker 1: Well let me let me let me do one thing,
if you don't mind, I want to answer your NaSTA
question and we'll do the firmament. Everything is compartmentalized. In
other words, let's say you work at NASA. Can you
believe the Earth is round?
Speaker 11: Do?
Speaker 1: I believe you do? And I believe in your heart
you do.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: But you go to NASA and you work on a computer,
and you work on the fuel system, or you work
on the capsule, or you work on this, or you
work on that. Right, the only liars are the twelve
astronauts who have allegedly gone to the moon. Ahead every
astronaut knows, and those that reside on the top floor
of the building. Everyone else doesn't. Because it's everything is compartmentalized.
Speaker 3: Ye, how about this.
Speaker 1: By the time it filters down, you're just doing your job.
Speaker 4: How about this though? How about all the space shuttles
that went up? You know, like dozens and dozens and
hundreds of people are in space, have been in space,
in space shell going back and forth, plus You've had
a manned space station for at least twenty years with
people in it all the time. They're going around the Earth.
How do you explain that.
Speaker 1: I don't think it exists. I really don't. I'll go back.
I'll go back to what I said before. NASA is
the largest film studio.
Speaker 4: Why would they, like al said, why would they do it?
What's what's the point if if the Earth is flat?
Just everyone just get with it and it's flat?
Speaker 3: So what's for them? And who's on the table?
Speaker 1: The problem? There's a there's a couple of problems with that.
Do you want the spiritual or the secular? I'll give you. Okay,
If tomorrow they announced the Earth was flat, within a
half hour, the stock market would crash, okay that I
would be rioting in the streets. People would be getting
in boats and trying to find the edge. Everybody would
be going to South South Antarctica universities. People would be
jumping out the windows. People who built their careers on
this NASA women would be leaving their husbands all up
and down the South coast Florida. It lost their job.
Was absolute anarchy, a worldwide depression, and World War three,
probably within twenty four hours.
Speaker 6: Look, I'm trying to follow you on this. Now, we're
on the side of the Earth if it's flat. We're
on the side where North and South America are. If
you look on at a globe, right, where is Europe, Russia,
Asia there on the other side of the flat part.
Speaker 1: But you're the Earth as an upside down frisbee right, Okay, okay, yep.
And you know when you have Thanksgiving and you have
that dome that goes over the plate to keep the
turkey heated.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the furnament.
Speaker 1: That's the dome. So you have a dome that is
above and you have a disc below and beyond the
disc where it meets the dome. We don't know how
far it goes. But here's what we do know. We
can't doubt because it's illegal.
Speaker 3: So how big if the Earth is flat?
Speaker 6: How big is it that we get all the continents
on one side on one flat side?
Speaker 1: It is that big. They've had people go down to Antarctica.
It's supposed to be eleven thousand miles to the continent
of Antarctica. Yes, they've had explorers traverse the Antarctica ice wall,
and it's sixty thousand miles.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, So the bottom line is.
Speaker 1: The Earth is a hell of a lot bigger than
we've been told.
Speaker 6: So it's only on one it's a flat earth. But
everything's on one side, like one pizza. Like a pizza,
all the toppings are on one side and the bottom.
Speaker 3: What's the excellent description.
Speaker 1: We're all the we're all the pieces meet on the pizza.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, that's the north.
Speaker 4: Okay, But what's on what's underneath the rust, what's underneath
the what's other? I'm so hungry now I want to pan.
Speaker 6: But if you would have traveled like if if the
flat Earth is here, and let's say Europe starts goes
that way and it keeps going to Russia. If you're
in Russia and you want and you you want to
go to Alaska, how do you get there by go?
You can't go all the way around and get there
like they do. Now, you got to come back across everything.
Speaker 1: If you if you really want to screw up your mind,
take a look at flight tracker person. Yes, okay, it
was she wanted to have a she didn't want she
was having a baby, and she was flying from the
Philippines to America and instead of flying to Los Angeles,
she flew to Anchorage. And the reason is on a
flat earth map, Anchorage is closer to the Philippines in
loss than Los Angeles. Here's another one. If you're flying
from Frankfurt, Germany, which is about fifty five degrees latitude yep,
for some unknown reason, you have to fly over Greenland
to get the San Jose, California, which is forty five degrees,
which makes no sense at all unless they're flying a
flat route. Speaking of which, every airline pilot uses what
is called artificial horizon. It's a gyroscope, a mechanical gyroscope
that keeps the playing level. If a jet is flying
at five hundred miles an hour, he's gonna have to
keep nosing down if the Earth is round, Otherwise he's
just gonna fly off into space.
Speaker 3: Right. Well, that's exactly what they do. I thought gravity
would kind of keep that in check, and you sort.
Speaker 1: Of gravity doesn't exist. It's buoyancy. There's buoyancy, and there's density.
When you when you drop a rock, it drops because
it's it's heavier than air.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, well, my goal.
Speaker 1: With this interview is so that none of you have
a good night's sleeping.
Speaker 4: That ship sailed already, man. But the reason that, the
reason that that you know, a rock and I mean,
I know it's weird, but they proved this when they
allegedly landed on the Moon, was that weight doesn't have
anything to do with gravity. They took they you know,
they there's there's atmospheric resistance. But on on the moon,
they took a feather and a hammer and they dropped
it and they both hit the Moon at the same time.
Speaker 3: Okay, that cruise, that was just in a soundstage. Oh
that's right.
Speaker 4: Okay, just so so you know, I mean I love
the idea, you know, in a way. And how does
how does the devil come into this? We got to
get another round, so it was how does he how
we go with this?
Speaker 1: Now we go with the spiritual aspect. I already told
you that the world would collapse if they announced the
Earth was flat, Susan.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Susan.
Speaker 3: There would be more chaos, I get it.
Speaker 1: It would be complete chaos. The stock market would crashaly
world War three. Yes, you agree with that, though, I
mean people will go crazy.
Speaker 4: We're already having that right now. So you can't impress them.
If they all they'd have to do is just close
that aliens are here, when it would do a collapse
just like that. Well, I mean, you really want.
Speaker 1: To if only there was a movie coming out in July.
Speaker 3: There is a movie coming out in July.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I dis close your day.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the gas up, gas up, and everybody does.
Speaker 4: Brandy, go ahead, brand aliens.
Speaker 1: Our alien saviors are going to arrive, So get ready, Brandy.
Speaker 14: Place are you saying that people would be because they
would realize they were caged basically in this flat earth
with a with a firmament. That's why they would panic
and freak out?
Speaker 13: Is that because they would realize they.
Speaker 14: Were like.
Speaker 3: Cage on rats in the cage. Yeah, rats on the cage.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah exactly. But you know, not all people would
freak out. This is the really weird twist. And now
I'll get into the spiritual angle I believe and this
is just my own spiritual belief. You know, I don't
know what you guys believe, but I believe that Lucifer
is in fact hiding the flat earth because he doesn't
want man to realize that this is intelligent design. If
man came to the realization some who were atheists woke
up one morning and realized that the earth had a
dome above and was actually structured, and that the sun
moved above the earth and we didn't wrote from the sun.
They would lean towards the following question who built this place?
And how do I get to know him? And that
would lead a lot of people who do a lot
of people would physically get him boats and go there.
But I think a lot of people also would become Christians.
They would go, well, this may be the God, just
the God that created this place. For some, it's not
for Christians. Believe me, I've been getting I've had this
going on or this belief for eleven years. Yes, and
the biggest pushback I get is actually from Christians, not
non believers.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, interesting question.
Speaker 12: Please the potential dumb question here.
Speaker 5: But with everything that you're saying, all I can picture
in my head is when people say, if the earth
is flat and you're on a boat or a ship
and you get to the edge, why don't you fall off?
Speaker 3: Why don't you fall off?
Speaker 1: It's a great question. Ahead, let's go back to nineteen
forty seven. You remember a guy named Admiral Bird.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, he went to Antarctica.
Speaker 1: Yep, okay, he was commissioned by the military to go
to Antarctica. Did you know that he actually had a diary?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, oh you do. Yeah, well it's a book,
yeah right yeah birds yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And he talks about how once he got past the
ice wall about seven eight hundred miles, it actually started
to get more and he started seeing trees, he saw
Willie Mammoth and then this is what he said, For once,
I'm not the crazy one. And he said that he
was intercepted by aliens, Paul White, aliens who took him
to Middle Earth where there was another son, and they said,
ever since you guys blew up the bomb in Hiroshima,
we need you to stop killing each other, and they
sent him back to give that message to the Pentagon.
The Pentagon told him to shut up, that he's in
the military, he could face a court martial and that
was the end of it. And apparently his son released
his diary and that's what happened to Admiral Byrd. So
I also believe that the Earth is in fact hollow
in parts, and maybe this has something to do with
a Nephelom. And I know you guys were also talking
about freemasonry during the break. Just so you'll know the
book Lucifer's Flat Earth, it's not just about flat Earth.
I talk about alchemy, freemasonry, the occultic arts and how
all of it ties into transhumanism. Elon Musk Noah Harari
and where we're going right now with these shots and
other nefarious agenda.
Speaker 3: Please say no, hang on just a second.
Speaker 8: About AI?
Speaker 1: Well what about AI? What you know?
Speaker 8: What you're feeling about AI?
Speaker 3: Is that part if you ask?
Speaker 12: The answer was to my question.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, So you fall off? If you're in a boat,
why don't you fall off? People people have say you
can't go world, They won't let you go there.
Speaker 1: Let's say let's say you leave Boston Harbor, yes, and
you head south. You head down South America, Tierra del
Flago and you hit Antarctica. You take you hit the
ice wall, which is two hundred feet high. If you
take a right, you're gonna go sixty thousand miles in
a circle and come right back where you went Gierra
del Fuego. If you go the other way, you're still
gonna go back to where you start, you'll circumnavigate the
Earth along the ice wall and beyond that. We don't
know how far Antarctica goes because the Nation State Treaty,
which was signed in nineteen fifty eight by all the
nations of the world, makes it illegal for you to
go to Antarctica. Why can't we go to Antarctica.
Speaker 3: Well, people go to Antatica all the time. Coco was
in Anatica for a year. I mean.
Speaker 1: You have to go Juantas Airlines. Yeah, Quantas Airlines goes
along the coastline. You take a couple of pictures with
a penguin, and that's it. Not allowed to go into
interior Antarctica or you'll be shot down.
Speaker 3: Listen, hang on that.
Speaker 4: But but there there were shuttle There were Shuttle flights
that were polar orbit flights, okay, and they went from
South Pole to the North Pole. That's that's the orbit
that they took. Okay, how about it. So that's that's
a fact. How about when you have like something like
the Hubble telescope, that James Webb telescope, and they take
pictures now of not just stars, but like these other
little planets, exo planets and stuff. They were a round.
So are we the only flat planet and everything else
is round?
Speaker 1: Well, then you have to get back to what is
a planet? I personally don't believe that planets are what
we're being told.
Speaker 4: But they're actually lights. But what are the pictures? Are
they faking all those pictures? They faking all the Hubble
and James Web pictures and stuff.
Speaker 1: No, if you look through a telescope, you'll see a
light blinking. You won't see a planet. You'll see a
light blinking. Why is it blinking? Why is it twinkling?
Speaker 3: But I've seen, but I've seen.
Speaker 4: I've seen satin and it's moons through telescopes on the
top of bu They let you up there, you know,
for free to see these things. It's spectacular. But it's
like they're round, man, They're round, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not denying that, So I'm denying what they are. Okay,
they say their planets. I say they're luminaries.
Speaker 4: Okay, But but either way, they're round, you know what
I mean? They have a round They've been photographed, right, right?
And so so are we the only flat one? And
everything else is around? I'm trying to get my head
around this.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a really good question. I don't know. I
haven't been there. I can tell you that the moon,
from what I've seen, is a disc because you can
see other stars shining through it. It's translucent. The moon
is translucent.
Speaker 3: No, man, go ahead.
Speaker 13: They're light And I'm not trying to disagree with you
when all of it.
Speaker 14: If they're lights, and let's say they're globe lights, okay,
because I could go to the hardware store today and
buy a light fixture that looks like a globe and
it's actually a light. So if these globe lights are
up there, are they inside the firmament or outside the firmament?
Speaker 1: They're inside.
Speaker 3: They're inside the depth except for.
Speaker 1: The moon and the sun. And the reason is that
the moon and the sun don't twinkle. Actually, if you
read the Bible, in the very first chapter of Genesis,
God says he separated the waters above from the waters below.
What that means is that there's water above us and
water below us. And that's where I believe the stars are.
They're on the other side of the firmament. The firmament
is this encased, translucent dome. Who built it? All of
the earth?
Speaker 4: Who built that? Who built the dome. God God did Okay,
all right, So the same guy who built the staircase.
Speaker 3: Speaking of dome, go ahead.
Speaker 7: This reminds me of a movie, The Truman Show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, exactly.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 7: He lived in a community that was under a dome in.
Speaker 3: A big studio. Jim Carrey.
Speaker 7: Sounds almost like you're trying to take some of that,
because that's what this sounds like, The Truman Show.
Speaker 1: Well, and what was the name of the director.
Speaker 3: Wasn't Stanley Kubrick, No, Christoph.
Speaker 1: Ed Harris played a character called Christophe. It was a
play on the word christ Uh huh.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 6: They could have thought for more than five seconds. Antarctica
if you get on you can't go to Antarctica. But
how about the Arctic? Can you up in the Arctic North? Yes,
you can, because that's in the pancake.
Speaker 1: You can't go over the North Pole.
Speaker 3: So you're telling me clause isn't real life? They go,
you really, no, I really depressed.
Speaker 1: Just here to blow your mind.
Speaker 3: Man, Well you've done that.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: When I stopped doing high drugs in the sixties.
Speaker 1: Was when I started. When I start when I started
doing this, I really soft pedaled it at first, because
I wanted to ease people into it, right, and that
didn't work after eleven years. No, it didn't work at all.
All I got was ridiculed. I figured, if I'm going
to get ridiculed, well at least give them the shock
therapy caused people not to have a good night's sleep
and at least look up in the sky and question
their reality. Yes, and it's been a good day.
Speaker 3: I did that.
Speaker 4: Anyway, to plug your book again, please done? Plug your book?
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sure. It's called Lucifer's Flat Earth and it's written by
Dylan Campbell. Dylan is my pen.
Speaker 3: Name, okay.
Speaker 4: And if you have Amazon, if you have a pen name,
why would you tell people what your real name is.
Speaker 1: I'm really bored with Don I don't know if you've
ever met him, but he's not an interesting person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Dylan is.
Speaker 1: Dylan is amazing. He's a Scott. He's a Scott, has
problem with the English and authority. He likes wearing a
kill a skirt killed. Yeah, he's very very fond of.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't do that. Robert Zimmerman had the same idea.
He's just he's like Dylan, So he went with Robert Dylan.
Wait a minute, Bob Dylan, that'd be good.
Speaker 4: Hey, Susan, Susan, I'm gonna ask Susan something, what do
you believe earth flat?
Speaker 3: Around?
Speaker 12: So I'm still with the round because as much as
we talk about the ice wall, and we haven't really
so you're telling me around the hedge of the flat
earth is an ice wall. So I still am here.
Speaker 5: I don't think I've had an answer to why don't
the ships just fall off unless.
Speaker 1: You're telling why that's why they That's exactly that's where
the ocean ends.
Speaker 3: Okay, But.
Speaker 1: Equator right, the equator is halfway up the disc again.
Put youre a frisbee upside down. Now go halfway up
the frisbee and draw a circle. That's the equator. Go
to the middle of the frisbee. That's the north pole.
Speaker 4: Okay, there you go. So but people have let's say,
taken a boat from San Diego and sail to Taiwan.
They didn't fall off.
Speaker 1: Why because they're all within the enclosed system.
Speaker 4: Okay, there are people, but there are people who have.
But there's people who have literally serving what you saying
that they've gone around the world. Right now, Magellan did
it in a in a ship with you know, a
wind driven ship. How did that happen?
Speaker 1: He did circumnavigate the Earth right again, look at the
Frisbee upside down, go halfway up to where the equator is,
and he went around in a circle.
Speaker 4: Okay. How about the guy who remember about twenty years ago?
That guy flew around the Earth right without stopping Rennet
and his name was you created that we had airplane
and they literally took off and flew for five days,
he and his ex wife around the world. How did
that happen?
Speaker 1: Same way? But it's a matter of perspective. Okay, the
ball Earth. What you guys believe is that the Earth
is twenty four thousand, nine and one miles at the
equator right, Okay, I'm saying what I believe is that
actually the Earth is much larger than the The Antarctic
ice wall, which is the outer rim of the Frisbee,
is sixty thousand miles in circumference, and beyond that you
have to go a while before you even hit the
dome where the dome beats Antarctica. Right, we don't know
go there.
Speaker 6: So is the Earth the flat Earth? Is it round?
Or is it elongated. I'm kind of curious what Susan's
got a frisbee? We shouldn demonstrate it right now.
Speaker 4: It kind of.
Speaker 1: What I what I believe is that it is exactly
like that frisbee. There's a bit of a dip, and
there's a curved edge, almost like a lip, that goes
around all of it, which again is the Antarctic ice wall.
But all the continents in the world are contained within
that frisbee. Do you know?
Speaker 3: Then one side Susan's inside Susan's pencil.
Speaker 6: The edge, I guess, is the like I said, is
the flat Earth round? Or is it elongated like an ellipse?
Or is it a the pancake?
Speaker 1: Is it.
Speaker 3: It's more like.
Speaker 1: As more concave and then it just goes We don't
know how far it might go a lot further than anyone.
Speaker 3: Up and down because the width I think.
Speaker 1: It's a long. It's elongated.
Speaker 4: All right, So so so let me We're gonna like
one more question and then we'll okay, right right, so
real quick, Okay, So NASA is is behind all this
and they have this this unbelievable gigantic movie, uh business
right doing this?
Speaker 3: How about NASA is a fraud anyway, and a lot of.
Speaker 4: They don't do a lot of things right, but they
did get us to the moon. So so all right,
all right, so let's say that's true. Well, how about
the Chinese have been They've shot stuff to the moon,
they have stuff in orbit. You know a lot of
different countries have satellites in orbit for communication, stuff like that.
Why would they, you know, perpetual the NASA hoax and
we don't no one in this world gets along with anybody.
Why would that be the one thing that they discided
to keep secret?
Speaker 1: Great question?
Speaker 8: Itack, it goes everything.
Speaker 1: It goes back to the Nation strait, the Nation State
Treaty of nineteen fifty eight. Okay, after Admiral Bird went
to Antarctica, they immediately shut it off. They came up
with the Nation State Treaty. Nobody is allowed to go
to Antarctica. All the nations signed off, the same nations
that signed off on the space program.
Speaker 4: Okay, so yeah, if you want to know a.
Speaker 1: Conspiracy, they're all in on it. At the very top echelon.
They had India landing on the Moon about six months ago,
and the graphics were so comical it looked like it
was a fifty dollars map program.
Speaker 14: That's offensive, didn't They all also sign off that no
one is no country or countries is or are allowed
to own any of Antarctica. The only place in the
world that's not allowed to be owned that country.
Speaker 1: Yes, the bird, during his interview before he died on television,
said that there's a lot of minerals there and a
lot of wealth. He doesn't understand why nobody's going down there,
but now.
Speaker 4: Be very expensive to you know, get all that stuff
out of there, transport it back and hey, listen, done.
It wasn't a dyal in that. I mean, let's clamp
to him because he's been very brave, gave you a
lot to think about. Really plug your book one more
time please.
Speaker 1: It's called Lucifer's Flat Earth by Dylan Campbell, available at Amazon.
Speaker 4: Is this your one and only book? Yeah? What a
pain in the ass to write a book. Doesn't that
really suck? Doesn't it?
Speaker 3: When you say yes, he agrees we agree on something.
Thank you, don Well marketing.
Speaker 1: Marketing, it's the real bitch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the way kid.
Speaker 4: Anyway. Okay, so listen, I think right we're bringing the
ship into the dock right there. One look at it
you like you would. Okay, So I want to thank
everyone for joining us and listening to us tonight.
Speaker 3: Let me do the plugs real quick.
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an organization that raises money for our veterans who have
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I have to mention this. I hate to get into
the politics of.
Speaker 1: This, but.
Speaker 4: You know, six service people were killed in Iran during
this excursion, as they are now calling it, right, this
thing is really kind of spiraling out of control. But
and what happened was when someone when US troops die overseas,
they have this thing called the distinguished Transfer, the dignified Transfer,
And what that is is that is that they fly
the serviceman back to the United States and their caskets,
their bodies are then turned over from the plane crew
to the division of the military. That is basically you
know the kind of what would you call it, uh,
you know where the dead guys go, where the dead
soldiers go to be buried, you know, the internment department
or something like that. Okay, it's a ceremony and it
and and it's it's very solemn, okay. And if you've
ever seen it done, it's just very it's very quiet,
it's very quick, and it's the first time the families
get to be with their loved ones. Right, our president,
this fucking guy, and we're going to have to cut
that out or maybe not went and he did not
take off his baseball cap at this Okay, that is
a disgrace. That is such a disgrace to all veterans.
All right, not to take off your cat why because
you hear looks like someone piste on cotton candy. I mean,
that is so disgraceful and just so just so unevil, okay,
and non thinking. It's amazing that this guy is the
president of the United States, that he's the most powerful person.
Speaker 3: In the world.
Speaker 4: And and look what he has done. Look what he
has done, right, just to keep Epstein off the headlines.
All right, those six servicemen now seven, they're not coming back,
all right, they're not coming back. They're gone forever. And
these people and Iran that have they're just civilians. There's
at least a thousand of them. They're not coming back.
And these kids in the school that got bombed, Okay,
they're dead forever. So just think about that for a second.
The type of person who would not take off their
hat at a dignified transfer is the type of person
who is going to lie to you, is going to
mislead you down a path that we do not want
to go. How they treat their veterans, How a country
treats their veterans, it's how they treat the rest of us. Okay,
keep that in mind when you see what's happening to
these vets these days. Okay, So anyway, thank you for listening,
and until next time. This is back for the entire gang.
I just want to say goodbye to everyone.
Speaker 3: Club.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Club, thank you Susan, thank you for we
get the Heart again, thank you, thanks Kim for joining us.
Don Campbell, thank you very much, and let's see you
very soon. Okay, come back on anytime, Don, it is
really good. Thank you, Dyling, Thank you for uh so
n you hear us. Next time, please be safe, be happy,
and and bye bye