WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:04.839 And welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. Today, Mark's day 2 00:00:04.919 --> 00:00:08.439 number one of the second week of the Gallaine Maxwell trial, 3 00:00:08.919 --> 00:00:14.800 and we had more testimony all day, now several witnesses, 4 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:19.000 but the majority of the testimony came from one person 5 00:00:19.519 --> 00:00:24.359 and that person was Kate. Now, the government had set 6 00:00:24.359 --> 00:00:30.719 this up as four victims of Glain Maxwell giving testimony 7 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:36.280 about what occurred and what they alleged happened to them. 8 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:40.159 Fast forward to today and we find out that Kate, 9 00:00:40.679 --> 00:00:44.439 who is giving testimony today, is not a victim of 10 00:00:44.439 --> 00:00:48.159 Epstein as far as the scope of the time frame 11 00:00:48.200 --> 00:00:52.479 we're talking about here, and is in fact a witness. 12 00:00:53.240 --> 00:00:57.920 So it's a bit confusing. No, the government asserted that 13 00:00:58.000 --> 00:01:02.039 they had four victims, but when all is said and done, 14 00:01:02.520 --> 00:01:05.319 they're really only going to have the three victims up 15 00:01:05.359 --> 00:01:09.799 here giving testimony, and now Kate who is being recognized 16 00:01:09.799 --> 00:01:15.840 as a witness, but not as a victim of Golaine Maxwell. 17 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:18.319 So that was a bit of a surprise. And we 18 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:21.400 saw some of those briefings get filed last night, and 19 00:01:21.439 --> 00:01:26.280 we saw some of the challenges to Kate's testimony here 20 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:30.959 and Judge Nathan went on to rule that she will 21 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:34.359 not be called a victim as far as the scope 22 00:01:34.359 --> 00:01:37.280 of these specific crimes go by the court and will 23 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:41.640 be looked at as a witness. So her testimony today 24 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:45.560 was relatively long. It took up a bulk of the day. 25 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:51.560 And then after her testimony, they spoke with a person 26 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:56.480 from JP Morgan Chase who has information and a bit 27 00:01:56.519 --> 00:02:00.480 of the know as far as the financials go between 28 00:02:00.599 --> 00:02:06.040 Maxwell and Epstein, meaning transfers of funds, and we also 29 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:10.280 heard from an FBI special agent, but both of their 30 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:15.840 testimonies were relatively brief. So that's pretty much what occurred 31 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:21.000 today as far as an overview of the proceedings. And 32 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:26.479 obviously I went through and put together some of the 33 00:02:26.879 --> 00:02:30.599 different back and forth moments that occurred in court today, 34 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:35.599 some of the different questions that were asked and the 35 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:38.680 answers that were given. So we're going to jump into 36 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:41.319 that and we're going to see how it all wrapped 37 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:45.960 up inside of that courtroom today. So let's take a 38 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:51.400 look at some of these different proceedings and what went 39 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:59.719 down all right, So before the jury even got into 40 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:02.759 the room boom, the prosecution and the defense were ironing 41 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:06.719 out an agreement about a stipulation that they came to 42 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:10.800 regarding the previous witness. So the gentleman who was on 43 00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:14.879 the stand yesterday when the proceedings ended, they decided that 44 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:18.080 instead of calling him back, they would just come to 45 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:22.479 a voluntary agreement between the opposing parties concerning the disposition 46 00:03:22.599 --> 00:03:25.560 of some matter that's before the court. That's what a 47 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:29.080 stipulation is. That's the definition of it. So what they 48 00:03:29.159 --> 00:03:32.759 did is instead of bringing this witness back, they came 49 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:36.360 to the agreement, and then they read that stipulation, the 50 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:39.680 agreement that both sides came to to the court as 51 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:42.800 opposed to bringing the witness back for what I'm guessing 52 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:48.199 is a short period of time, maybe a couple of questions. Again, 53 00:03:48.479 --> 00:03:51.800 this is the first case that I've ever followed this closely, 54 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:55.439 especially when it comes to court proceedings. So this is 55 00:03:55.439 --> 00:04:00.400 something that obviously they use when there's a city situation 56 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:03.680 that can be ironed out before you know, having to 57 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:06.000 bring a witness back in for just a couple of minutes, 58 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:10.719 I guess in the interest of keeping things moving. Also, 59 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:14.639 before the jury even came in, Judge Nathan decided to 60 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:17.519 not allow the raunchy pictures on the walls in the 61 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:21.040 massage room and some of the other photos of the 62 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:28.240 sex toys were excluded as well. Epstein's house was searched 63 00:04:28.240 --> 00:04:30.319 in two thousand and five and the scope of the 64 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:33.040 crimes ended in two thousand and four, so that would 65 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:37.480 make that stuff inadmissible. Now the schoolgirl uniforms, on the 66 00:04:37.480 --> 00:04:40.879 other hand, that is admissible as long as it's relevant 67 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:45.120 to the testimony, and that was the ruling that Judge 68 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:49.839 Nathan made before the jury even got into the court. Now, 69 00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:54.199 obviously us pleabes in the public we'll only get redacted 70 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:59.800 versions and what the court decides that we're able to. 71 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:04.240 But it's getting a bit concerning in my opinion, with 72 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:09.720 the lack of transparency here, and it's pretty uncomfortable, honestly. 73 00:05:10.759 --> 00:05:13.040 You would think that a case like this, with as 74 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:17.199 much interest as there is in this case, not only 75 00:05:17.240 --> 00:05:19.920 in America but around the world, that there would be 76 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:24.480 a big push for a lot of transparency. But again 77 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:27.240 we're having to rely on, you know, a few different 78 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:30.800 reports coming out of the courtroom. So I can't wait 79 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:33.240 to get to New York myself in the next few 80 00:05:33.279 --> 00:05:37.720 weeks right after the holidays and ride out the duration 81 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:42.800 from there, because you know, it's one thing to get 82 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:47.439 a idea, you know, a basic sketch of what's going on. 83 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:50.199 It's a whole other thing to really be there and 84 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:52.720 to witness it and stuff like that and to get 85 00:05:52.759 --> 00:05:56.519 it yourself, to process it that way. So I can't 86 00:05:56.560 --> 00:05:58.720 wait to get in there the first week of January 87 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:03.720 to get started. After the jury came in, the judge 88 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:07.600 denounced the stipulation agreement and called on the defense lawyer, 89 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:11.720 Christian Everdell to read it to the court. The stipulation 90 00:06:11.800 --> 00:06:15.600 went on to say that the evidenced a cardboard box 91 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:18.079 was in fact found in the closet of a guest 92 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:23.360 room upstairs, and that the box was unopened. So you 93 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:26.839 see why they did this little motion here, this stipulation 94 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:32.240 as opposed to bringing this witness back, especially considering the 95 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:36.360 long testimony that was given by the first witness today, 96 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:41.480 who was referred to as Kate by the court, And 97 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:45.199 you know it's gonna be a long process. They they 98 00:06:45.279 --> 00:06:49.199 they're speculating six weeks, so any point where they can 99 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:52.319 move things along, I'm guessing that they'd want to do that. 100 00:06:53.759 --> 00:07:00.199 So they call Kate to the stand, and obviously I 101 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:02.720 talked about a couple of minutes ago. The defense argued 102 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:04.519 that she was not under age at the time of 103 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:07.800 her contact with Epstein and Maxwell, and she won't be 104 00:07:07.920 --> 00:07:11.120 recognized as a victim of the crimes charged in the 105 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:15.079 indictment by the court. Instead, the court is referring to 106 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:21.000 her as a witness. So the questions begin, and the 107 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:25.519 first question asked by prosecution is about a piece of 108 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:30.079 evidence and if she recognizes it. She responds that yes, 109 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:32.639 she does recognize it, and when she was asked what 110 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:35.600 it was, she responded that it was her driver's license. 111 00:07:36.519 --> 00:07:39.680 This line of questioning then moves towards what Kate does 112 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:42.439 for a living, and she said that she worked with 113 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:46.160 survivors of trauma currently and when pressed about what she 114 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:50.000 did previously, she answered that she was a musician and singer, 115 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:54.920 So setting it up for you know who she is her, 116 00:07:55.040 --> 00:07:58.759 you know, an outline of who the court is talking 117 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:04.000 to her basically. Then it goes into Kate's account of 118 00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:06.839 how she met Maxwell in Paris and how she was 119 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:10.399 introduced to Epstein's pal by one of her ex boyfriends. 120 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:13.959 She says that she was approximately seventeen years old when 121 00:08:13.959 --> 00:08:16.759 this meeting happened, and she went on to add some 122 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:20.319 context She described how when she met Maxwell, they discussed 123 00:08:20.360 --> 00:08:22.759 what her plans were, not only for the night, but 124 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:26.879 also questions revolving around where she lived and you know, 125 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:29.839 some other small talk. After this small talk, she was 126 00:08:29.879 --> 00:08:33.840 invited to Maxwell's house, and you know, she accepted the 127 00:08:34.679 --> 00:08:37.679 invite and went to Maxwell's house a few weeks later 128 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:43.440 for some tea. And again it shows you here how 129 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:47.120 Maxwell rolled. One of her favorite moves was to get 130 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:51.200 into the confidence of these girls by acting like, you know, 131 00:08:51.399 --> 00:08:56.320 the happy, go lucky older sister or you know, the 132 00:08:56.360 --> 00:09:00.399 affluent woman who comes into their life to offer them, 133 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:06.039 you know, whatever kind of package or whatever kind of 134 00:09:06.159 --> 00:09:09.639 offer that these girls might not have ever had before. 135 00:09:10.600 --> 00:09:13.399 And most of these girls are thinking to themselves, hey, 136 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:16.000 look at this, this is the upper crust. They're not 137 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:18.159 thinking to themselves that these are the kind of people 138 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:22.279 that are going to engage in abuse. So of course 139 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:25.039 she accepts the invite to go to someone like Maxwell's 140 00:09:25.080 --> 00:09:29.639 house to have a tea a situation with her. Why 141 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:32.559 not sit down, have a little tea party. You know, 142 00:09:32.639 --> 00:09:34.720 who knows what comes of it. Perhaps you can climb 143 00:09:34.720 --> 00:09:38.080 the social ladder, perhaps a job opening. You know, these 144 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:41.600 are the kind of things that meetings that usually lead 145 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:44.759 to that kind of thing. So Kate went on to 146 00:09:44.799 --> 00:09:48.960 say about how when she went to Maxwell's house, how 147 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:51.679 she saw pictures of a man with salt and pepper hair, 148 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:55.480 who she says that now she recognizes as Jeffrey Epstein. 149 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:59.159 She says that Maxwell made her feel special and that 150 00:09:59.240 --> 00:10:01.440 she had a good time during the trip to Maxwell's 151 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:03.399 for tea, and she thought that she had found a 152 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:06.360 connection with Maxwell and that it could be meaningful for her. 153 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:10.600 You know, somebody that an older sister type, a mentor 154 00:10:10.639 --> 00:10:16.639 somebody who had been in the upper crust. And unfortunately, 155 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:21.440 that was the exact web that they liked to weave, 156 00:10:21.639 --> 00:10:25.159 wasn't it. According to all the reports we know, this 157 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:31.360 was exactly how Maxwell operated lay the trap act like 158 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:35.080 you're this loving, warm, great person who's going to open 159 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:39.919 doors for people and then get them inside of the 160 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:47.480 web and Epstein strikes. So it's pretty typical for the 161 00:10:47.519 --> 00:10:59.000 way Epstein and Maxwell went about their business. She had 162 00:10:59.039 --> 00:11:01.679 a feeling when she left that meeting that she had 163 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:04.000 possibly had found a friend and that it was more 164 00:11:04.039 --> 00:11:07.039 than just a meeting, right. You know, Maxwell had told 165 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:10.240 her that Epstein was a philanthropist, and she was just 166 00:11:10.320 --> 00:11:12.919 the kind of person that he liked to help. Kate 167 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:15.600 says that she was seventeen and lonely and felt like 168 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:18.279 an outcast, and she hadn't found a group of friends yet, 169 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:22.799 so had no friends, nobody to associate with really, and 170 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:26.200 she was, you know, kind of floating through meets. Maxwell 171 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:29.000 thinks that this is going to be the when the turn. 172 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:32.879 The worm turns right, get in with this group of socialites, 173 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:36.200 and who knows what happens there. We all know that 174 00:11:36.279 --> 00:11:40.080 when you're around people in the so called elite, a 175 00:11:40.120 --> 00:11:42.600 lot of doors are opened up for you. Now, if 176 00:11:42.639 --> 00:11:45.600 you want to walk through them doors and pay the 177 00:11:45.639 --> 00:11:48.840 price that it's going to cost as far as whatever 178 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:52.360 debts you're going to owe, then that's a whole different story. 179 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:56.000 But those doors will be open to you if you're 180 00:11:56.000 --> 00:12:02.480 hanging out with people like this. Kate then went on 181 00:12:02.519 --> 00:12:04.639 to talk about how she met Epstein for the first 182 00:12:04.679 --> 00:12:09.679 time and how she was invited to Maxwell's mused townhouse 183 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:12.759 where there was a loud man on the phone. He 184 00:12:12.879 --> 00:12:16.440 was wearing a sweatsuit, a jogging suit basically, and she 185 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:20.960 recognized the man as Epstein. Maxwell went on to tell 186 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:23.759 Epstein that she was the girl that she had told 187 00:12:23.799 --> 00:12:27.200 him about and commented on how she was unusually strong 188 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:30.320 for her size. Now, according to Kate, she was ninety 189 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:33.360 five pounds at the time, and then, in a bizarre 190 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:38.960 ass request, Maxwell asks Kate if she would give Epstein's 191 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:42.639 feet a squeeze to show him that unusual strength that 192 00:12:42.759 --> 00:12:46.240 Maxwell had talked about. Kate says that she went on 193 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:49.360 ahead and did that. So again, it just shows you 194 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:54.120 the cooperation level between Maxwell and Epstein, and it can 195 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:57.600 be if it wasn't for the overall picture. You could 196 00:12:57.600 --> 00:12:59.399 look at something like this and say, all right, maybe 197 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:01.120 the guy has a foot fetish, right, and he just 198 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:03.799 wants his feet touched. But we know so much more. 199 00:13:04.919 --> 00:13:07.679 We know so much background, and there's so much other 200 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:11.240 evidence out there of what massage really meant to these people. 201 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:13.720 So when you frame it like that and you look 202 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:18.519 at the overall picture, it's pretty terrifying to know how 203 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:22.960 many girls came through this massage room. We're talking about 204 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:25.480 dozens and dozens if you go back to Jeffrey Epstein's 205 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:29.559 first indictment and what must have occurred here and how 206 00:13:29.600 --> 00:13:34.440 many of them. Maxwell allegedly had a role in grooming 207 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:39.679 and bringing to this point, After one of Epstein's massage 208 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:43.320 therapists canceled, Maxwell contacted Kate and asked her if she 209 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:46.200 could fill in. Kate is then asked if she was 210 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:49.200 a massage therapist by the prosecution at the time, and 211 00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:51.600 she says no that she was not. So again, why 212 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:54.879 would Epstein and Maxwell be calling a seventeen year old 213 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:57.600 girl to come over and give them a massage. They 214 00:13:57.639 --> 00:13:59.559 have all the money in the world. They could bring 215 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:03.480 in the best massage therapists money can buy, but instead 216 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:06.080 they're bringing in a seventeen year old girl who has 217 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:10.159 no training. It really sets the stage for Maxwell and 218 00:14:10.200 --> 00:14:14.080 Epstein being up to no good, right again, another foundational 219 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:19.080 building block I thought in this whole testimony, I thought 220 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:21.399 that was one of the stronger moments as far as 221 00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:24.600 the ties that bind and as far as a moment 222 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:29.240 of Maxwell being you know, put right there as part 223 00:14:29.279 --> 00:14:33.679 of it, right, part of Jeffrey Epstein's whole nonsensical bs. 224 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:40.360 And it is interesting to me that it was Maxwell 225 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:43.600 made the phone call brought her in and here we are, right, 226 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:47.519 especially considering the charges of Maxwell grooming, setting them up, 227 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:49.879 trafficking and all of that. So what it does. Is 228 00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:56.879 it definitely foundational blocks? Right? The questions then turned to 229 00:14:56.919 --> 00:14:59.559 Epstein's attire and what he was wearing when Kate came 230 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:03.600 over as the fill in massuse. When she was asked 231 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:05.759 what he was wearing under the robe, she says that 232 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:09.639 he was naked. Now, imagine that this gross ass mf 233 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:13.919 naked under that robe waiting for you. You're a seventeen year 234 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:18.960 old girl, can't even imagine the trauma. We all know 235 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:24.279 that Jeffrey Epstein's a goofy looking asshole too. Asked if 236 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:28.000 Maxwell was present, again, she says yes. She then says 237 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:31.559 that Maxwell gave her massage oil. Asked by the prosecution 238 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:35.360 if Epstein initiated sexual contact with her conduct with her, 239 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:39.120 she again responds with yes. When asked where Maxwell was, 240 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:43.360 Kate says that Maxwell was in the doorway. Now, according 241 00:15:43.399 --> 00:15:46.399 to people in the courtroom, several of the sexual acts 242 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:49.279 are described here but barred by the court from being 243 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:51.879 made public, And frankly, I'm cool with that. I really 244 00:15:51.879 --> 00:15:54.000 don't want to talk about that here on the podcast. 245 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:56.200 I'm sure those transcripts are gonna come out and you'll 246 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:58.559 be able to see them. But after all of these 247 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:00.919 years talking about this stuff like I have to drink 248 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:04.720 bleach after every one of these episodes, like doubts myself 249 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:09.120 in bleach and then drink it because it's obscene. All 250 00:16:09.159 --> 00:16:13.639 of it's obscene. Kate goes on to say after her 251 00:16:13.639 --> 00:16:16.919 massage with Epstein, she says that she was met by Maxwell, 252 00:16:17.039 --> 00:16:19.440 who had a whole bunch of questions for her about 253 00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:22.279 her time with Epstein. She asked questions like did you 254 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:26.200 have fun and offered positive reinforcement by telling her she 255 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:29.360 was a good girl. Kate goes on to say that 256 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:32.639 she was pleased that she was able to please Maxwell. 257 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:36.039 Now note she doesn't say Epstein, but that it was 258 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:39.279 Maxwell she wanted to please. Once again, it goes to 259 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:42.200 show the hold maxwell her hat on these girls and 260 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:46.240 how Maxwell allegedly was a key component to the normalization 261 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:53.799 process that we've seen over and over again. And it's 262 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:59.320 telling right that Kate was more worried about pleasing Maxwell 263 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:05.039 than even at so again foundational blocks, right, folks, That's 264 00:17:05.039 --> 00:17:07.440 what they're building here, at least attempting to do it. 265 00:17:09.720 --> 00:17:11.680 Kate goes on to describe how she was given a 266 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:16.319 schoolgirl outfit that included a short, pleated skirt a shirt, panties, 267 00:17:16.359 --> 00:17:20.559 little white panties, and white socks. When asked why she 268 00:17:20.680 --> 00:17:23.000 agreed to put on the outfit, she said that she 269 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:25.559 didn't know how to say no and that she feared 270 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:29.359 the consequences if she declined wearing it. That's definitely one 271 00:17:29.359 --> 00:17:32.720 of their punishments, right, one of their tools of punishment. 272 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:35.920 I should say, as quick as we can give you 273 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:39.079 all of this, we can take it away. And that's 274 00:17:39.119 --> 00:17:41.400 what these people do, right. They know that a lot 275 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:43.799 of these girls are in a position where they can't 276 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:47.240 friend for themselves perhaps, or they come from broken homes 277 00:17:47.359 --> 00:17:50.240 or drug addiction, whatever it may be, and then they 278 00:17:50.359 --> 00:17:53.000 use that as a folk room. They use that to 279 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:57.319 manipulate the situation and to steer these girls into these 280 00:17:57.359 --> 00:18:00.559 sorts of things and having these girls think that it's 281 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:05.240 a normal process as they're going through it. Asked if 282 00:18:05.279 --> 00:18:09.319 Epstein performed a sex act on her, Jane, who responded 283 00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:13.200 in soft tones, said yes. Maxwell then went on to 284 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:16.039 tell Kate that she was one of Jeffrey Epstein's favorites. 285 00:18:16.440 --> 00:18:19.559 So I don't know how Maxwell can say she doesn't 286 00:18:19.599 --> 00:18:22.599 know what was going on here, folks. It's rather obvious 287 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:26.039 that Maxwell had an idea of what was going on here. Okay, 288 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:29.799 and I'm being a coy. It's rather obvious that she 289 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:32.480 was involved. How are you going to stand in the 290 00:18:32.519 --> 00:18:35.680 doorway and watch what happens and not know? How are 291 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:39.480 you going to allegedly abuse these girls with Epstein at 292 00:18:39.559 --> 00:18:42.160 least in some instances and act like you don't know? 293 00:18:43.079 --> 00:18:45.559 And that, of course is why she's facing those perjury 294 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:52.599 charges on the back end of this as well. Kate 295 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:55.839 also tells the court that she was bought a Prada 296 00:18:55.880 --> 00:18:59.119 bag by Maxwell for her eighteenth birthday, again showing the 297 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:02.359 connection with Max Well and the grooming process. So that's 298 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:05.079 how it works, right, Let me buy you some gifts. Oh, 299 00:19:05.160 --> 00:19:07.200 this is normal. See what I can do for you. 300 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:09.519 All you have to do is do what we want 301 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:15.839 you to do. The prosecutor goes on to ask about 302 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:19.119 Kate about the compensation fund, and Kate says that she 303 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:23.279 did indeed get compensated by the fund. When asked if 304 00:19:23.279 --> 00:19:27.079 she was going to sue Maxwell, Kate answers, no, Now, 305 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:31.920 if you accepted money from the compensation fund, that prohibits 306 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:36.519 you from suing any of Jeffrey Epstein's cohorts or employees. 307 00:19:36.880 --> 00:19:40.720 That was part of the sign off deal on the 308 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:46.839 Compensation Fund paperwork. Now, like I've always said throughout that 309 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:48.759 whole process, I'm not going to sit here and tell 310 00:19:48.759 --> 00:19:52.400 anybody what to do as far as getting paid out this, 311 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:55.079 that or the other thing. None of us walked even 312 00:19:55.119 --> 00:19:58.640 a foot in these girls shoes. We don't know the 313 00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:02.200 absolute night that they've lived in. And if some of 314 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:04.720 them just want to be done with it and you know, 315 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:07.519 try and rebuild their lives as best as possible and 316 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:10.200 take out whatever the payment is, I completely get that. 317 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:15.480 But it's shady from the beginning that this you know, 318 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:18.720 document would even be drummed up. And you have the 319 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:20.960 same people working on this fund who worked on the 320 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:24.559 nine to eleven fund, and from the jump it's always 321 00:20:24.599 --> 00:20:26.920 been a bit weird to me. Then you look at 322 00:20:27.119 --> 00:20:30.720 the fact that the United States government, via taxes, gets 323 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:33.720 the lion's share of this money, and you got yourselves 324 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:38.359 quite the dumpster fire once again. So they'll try and say, oh, well, 325 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:41.839 you got a payment from the compensation fund, so you're 326 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:44.880 just looking for money, And my counter to that is 327 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:50.000 that's restitution for time served, all the years of suffering, 328 00:20:50.359 --> 00:20:54.240 all the years of heartache, and Jeffrey Epstein's estate finally 329 00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:58.079 recognizes that pain and suffering and that Epstein was the 330 00:20:58.079 --> 00:21:00.519 cause of it, so they had to pay out money. 331 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:05.640 That's really what it comes down to. When they get 332 00:21:05.680 --> 00:21:11.680 back from lunch, get back from their break, they set 333 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:15.359 the tone right off the bat, meaning Bobby Sternham Glenn 334 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:21.400 Maxwell's lawyers who are now ta taking over the questioning. 335 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:26.279 So she sets the tone right away, and she says 336 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:29.599 that Kate comes from a posh family and her mother 337 00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:34.160 was a debutante and her stepfather was painted as someone 338 00:21:34.359 --> 00:21:37.000 who was very wealthy and who had a residence in 339 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:41.039 a tony neighborhood. Sternham also is attempting to paint Kate 340 00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:46.160 as an international model. Now, she asked Kate, were you 341 00:21:46.240 --> 00:21:50.039 on billboards? Kate responds that she was on one billboard, 342 00:21:50.599 --> 00:21:53.559 then asked about her work for a lingerie company. Kate 343 00:21:53.599 --> 00:21:55.880 says that she was a model for the company, but 344 00:21:56.279 --> 00:21:59.359 the company failed right after its launch, so it wasn't 345 00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:03.599 like she had some career with this lingerie company. The 346 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:07.440 defense goes on to ask about Kate's boyfriend, who's who 347 00:22:07.480 --> 00:22:10.119 she says was an older man who was in fact 348 00:22:10.119 --> 00:22:15.160 a former classmate of Maxwell's at Oxford. Just another coincidence, folks, right, 349 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:18.720 you know, sure are a lot of coincidences around Glene Maxwell, 350 00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:23.480 Jeffrey Epstein and this whole entire criminal conspiracy conspiracy, aren't there. 351 00:22:24.799 --> 00:22:28.799 Sternham keeps. Sternheim keeps hammering away, asking if Kate was 352 00:22:28.839 --> 00:22:31.640 discovered as a musician in a piano bar by the 353 00:22:31.720 --> 00:22:36.440 musician Seal. Kate responds no. Sternham then says to Kate 354 00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:40.119 that in the past that in the past she asked 355 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:43.480 if Kate had acted in movies. Kate says she had 356 00:22:43.519 --> 00:22:46.880 no speaking roles, but had been in movies. Sternham isn't 357 00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:50.079 satisfied and continues by asking Kate if she was ever 358 00:22:50.119 --> 00:22:52.599 in a movie with a well known UK actor, and 359 00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:57.640 Kate responds that yes, she was. So what Maxwell's team's 360 00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:01.160 doing here is trying to establish that, you know, Kate's 361 00:23:01.160 --> 00:23:04.640 an actress, she knows how to act, she comes from 362 00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:10.240 this posh family, this whole entire setup and this is 363 00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:14.720 all just, you know, a fabrication, basically what Bobby Sternham 364 00:23:14.759 --> 00:23:25.960 is trying to set up here. Sternham is digging in 365 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:29.680 and asking Kate about the times she had spoken publicly 366 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:34.119 and even asking about the time in Judge Richard Berman's court, 367 00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:37.079 who was the judge who was overseeing the Epstein case. 368 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:41.720 So she's asking how many times Kate had spoken publicly 369 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:46.920 about her situation with Epstein, and even about the time 370 00:23:46.960 --> 00:23:49.519 that she was able to speak in front of Richard Berman. 371 00:23:49.640 --> 00:23:53.319 After Epstein's death, Judge Berman lets some of the accusers 372 00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:56.039 come in and have their say in the court because 373 00:23:56.079 --> 00:23:58.160 they were never going to get that now that Epstein 374 00:23:58.240 --> 00:24:03.319 was dead. So Sternheim was asking Kate about that as 375 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:09.400 far as her public acknowledgment of this situation and talking 376 00:24:09.400 --> 00:24:13.000 about herself in the public eye. She went on to 377 00:24:13.039 --> 00:24:15.799 also ask if Kate had ever spoken with Virginia Roberts, 378 00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:19.720 and Kate says she had. Now the Kate now the 379 00:24:19.759 --> 00:24:22.359 defense decides that they're gonna change it up a bit 380 00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:25.440 and they start going after Kate for her drug use, 381 00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:29.319 asking Kate if she used drugs for ten years, and 382 00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:33.279 Kate responds that she was addicted to drugs for ten years. Now, 383 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:35.720 this is a typical move, right, They'll try and set 384 00:24:35.720 --> 00:24:38.519 it up like Kate's a drug addict and she can't 385 00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:41.440 be trusted, her memory can't be trusted. Nothing can be trusted, 386 00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:45.799 that she says, and that she is somebody who is 387 00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:49.920 not credible. Once again, the heart of the issue here 388 00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:53.359 for the defense is credibility, and they're gonna hammer home 389 00:24:53.400 --> 00:24:57.680 at it. And when you have people who have questionable backgrounds, 390 00:24:57.880 --> 00:25:00.599 they're gonna be a little bit more exposed as far 391 00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:03.240 as the defense and the strategy that the defense is 392 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:11.200 going to employ. Sternheim then goes on to continue with 393 00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:14.039 that angle about the drug use, and she asked if 394 00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:16.839 it could have affected Kate's memory, and Kate says that 395 00:25:16.880 --> 00:25:19.880 they didn't affect their memories that she always had, And 396 00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:23.000 I think it's a stretch to say that the drug 397 00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:26.720 use would affect her memory for something as traumatic as 398 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:32.839 all of this, I would think that she would compartmentalize 399 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:37.440 before she forgot right, So I think that's kind of 400 00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:41.400 a weak strategy for the defense to go after. But again, 401 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:46.799