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<v Speaker 1>Five.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you have care CD Talk station a very

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<v Speaker 2>happy Wednesday, extra special Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 3>And of course I always.

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<v Speaker 2>Call my favorite hour radio here on the fifty five

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<v Speaker 2>here see morning show when we get to here from

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<v Speaker 2>Congressman MASSI followed by Judge Jennena Paulatana, who may be

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<v Speaker 2>very well be listening. Welcome back, Congressman Massy. Always a

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<v Speaker 2>distinct pleasure to have you on my program.

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<v Speaker 4>Great to be on your show again, Brian, don't know

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<v Speaker 4>where to start.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to start with Terris, but I know we

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<v Speaker 2>got other things to talk about, so let's start with

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<v Speaker 2>and you can explain to my listeners the Dual Loyalty

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<v Speaker 2>Disclosure Act, which I know is on your short list today.

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<v Speaker 5>Sure.

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<v Speaker 4>So this is a bill I introduced just last week,

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<v Speaker 4>and it says that when you file to run for

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<v Speaker 4>a federal office, if you are a citizen of another

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<v Speaker 4>country as well as the United States, that you have

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<v Speaker 4>to disclose that. And the concern here is that we

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<v Speaker 4>may have members of Congress who are citizens of other

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<v Speaker 4>countries and therefore have to other countries. When you are

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<v Speaker 4>sworn into office, you take an oath to the US Constitution.

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<v Speaker 4>We want to know who else you're obligated to. And

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<v Speaker 4>people say, is this ever happened? How do you know

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<v Speaker 4>there are members of Congress with dual loyalty. Well, it's

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<v Speaker 4>hard to know. That's why we have the bill. But

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<v Speaker 4>sometimes when they run for president, we find out or

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<v Speaker 4>they find out that they do have citizenship in another country.

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<v Speaker 4>The two conservative examples I can give you was that

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<v Speaker 4>I think it was Michelle Bachman had a citizenship in

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<v Speaker 4>Switzerland and Ted Cruz had citizenship in Canada, and they

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<v Speaker 4>both renounced their citizenship, which I think is what you

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<v Speaker 4>should do. And by the way, my personal preference is

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<v Speaker 4>that you only have citizenship in the United States. But

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<v Speaker 4>I thought it would be easier to get a bill

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<v Speaker 4>passed that requires you to close it and then the

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<v Speaker 4>voters can decide whether you should be a dual citizen

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<v Speaker 4>serving in Congress.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that makes perfect sense. I one of

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<v Speaker 2>my dear friends from you know, high school age married

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<v Speaker 2>a French girl, and he's been living in France now

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<v Speaker 2>for the past thirty at least thirty, maybe forty years,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know he considers himself more French than a

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<v Speaker 2>US citizen. He's critical of US government, its policies and

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<v Speaker 2>some even some of the freedoms we enjoy. So I

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<v Speaker 2>know where his loyalties lie, so it stands to reason

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<v Speaker 2>that they could be could certainly something like that could happen.

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<v Speaker 2>So the big question is who would be against this

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<v Speaker 2>common sense proposal?

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<v Speaker 5>Congressman Massy nobody should be against it.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know yet, although I've only got I think

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<v Speaker 4>four co sponsors for it, Clay Higgins, Marjorie Taylor Green,

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<v Speaker 4>and one of the I think Andy Biggs, and somebody

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<v Speaker 4>else joined here recently. So if you're listening to this

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<v Speaker 4>show and I'm not your congressman, please call their office

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<v Speaker 4>and ask them to co sponsor this bill.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I guess is it in committee right now?

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<v Speaker 2>I know these things have to come out of committee

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<v Speaker 2>in order to be advanced to the floor, and of

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<v Speaker 2>course needs to be put up for vote on the floor.

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<v Speaker 3>So where are we in process?

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<v Speaker 4>So it's I introduced it so recently that I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>sure that it's if it's been referred to a committee yet,

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<v Speaker 4>And sometimes they're referred to more than one committee, but

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<v Speaker 4>this is such a short bill, I think it would

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<v Speaker 4>just go to one committee, and it would be the

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<v Speaker 4>committee that oversees election law, and I'm not sure which

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<v Speaker 4>one that is. It's not one that I serve on

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<v Speaker 4>because the way I structured this bill is it requires

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<v Speaker 4>an FEC disclosure, just like when you file to run

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<v Speaker 4>for office, you have to disclose your financial you have

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<v Speaker 4>to give financial statements. So it's just one more thing

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<v Speaker 4>that you have to disclose when you run for office.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, fair enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Pivoting over to something that it really really gets under

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<v Speaker 2>my skin, the idea that I can't find out and

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<v Speaker 2>can't see from labeling where it is that my food

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<v Speaker 2>has been manufactured. Country of origin labeling. We used to

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<v Speaker 2>have that at some point, didn't we, And somewhere along

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<v Speaker 2>the lines that got eradicated.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, listen, your phone has the country of origin label,

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<v Speaker 4>Your car on the sticker has country of origin label.

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<v Speaker 4>Your shoes, your suit, your socks. You can know which country,

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<v Speaker 4>your tools, which country those things came from. Except now

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<v Speaker 4>with beef and pork, since twenty fifteen, when Congress removed

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<v Speaker 4>the requirement to label the country of origin on beef

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<v Speaker 4>and pork, you can't necessarily know.

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<v Speaker 5>And what's more is a lot of times this stuff will.

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<v Speaker 4>Be stamped USDA US Department of agriculture, and people read

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<v Speaker 4>that label and they think, oh, this has made the

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<v Speaker 4>USA no that could be from any country in the world.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think we made a mistake in twenty fifteen

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<v Speaker 4>when we removed country of origin labeling for beef and pork.

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<v Speaker 4>I fought it tooth and nail. I lost the argument

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<v Speaker 4>because they came to us and said, oh, the World

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<v Speaker 4>Trade Organization has ruled against you in a suit from

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<v Speaker 4>Canada and Mexico. Well the suit was really, I believe

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<v Speaker 4>brought by the meat packers who want to be able

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<v Speaker 4>to sell you meat from anywhere in the world and

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<v Speaker 4>put that USDA label on it make you think it

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<v Speaker 4>came from the United States. And in any case, the

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<v Speaker 4>World Trade Organization, in my opinion, does not have authority

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<v Speaker 4>over Congress. I can't find them in the constitution right

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<v Speaker 4>any kind of superior court. In fact, even the Supreme

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<v Speaker 4>Court is a co equal branch with the legislative branch

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<v Speaker 4>according to our constitution. So I don't believe we have

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<v Speaker 4>to follow World Trade Organization. But here's what the World

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<v Speaker 4>Trade Organization said in twenty fifteen. They said that Canada

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<v Speaker 4>and Mexico can impose retaliatory tariffs on your farmers if

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<v Speaker 4>you keep requiring country of origin labeling. So that was

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<v Speaker 4>enough to scare enough of my colleagues into removing country

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<v Speaker 4>of origin laboring. Here. The thought just occurred to me, though,

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<v Speaker 4>when Trump put these tariffs on, and now we got

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<v Speaker 4>all these other countries and they're going to reciprocate with terror. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>if we're in a full blown trade war or trade dispute,

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<v Speaker 4>go ahead and put the labels back on.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, this is part of the deal.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's get back the territory we lost and label our

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<v Speaker 4>dagone food about where it came from. Well, one more,

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<v Speaker 4>go ahead, one more thing. While I'm on this topic.

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<v Speaker 4>The US Olympic Association even advised Olympic athletes to be

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<v Speaker 4>careful about eating meat in China and in Mexico because

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<v Speaker 4>even though they do ban the use of anabolic steroids

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<v Speaker 4>and their animals, they're still using them. There's no enforcement,

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<v Speaker 4>and so you could eat that meat and fail a

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<v Speaker 4>drug tast at the olmpage.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. Well, and you just illustrate a great point.

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<v Speaker 2>First off, I wasn't aware of the reality of what

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<v Speaker 2>you just told me. So now I am a more

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<v Speaker 2>informed consumer, and I was just making the point earlier

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<v Speaker 2>when I saw the topics of conversation, most notably on

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<v Speaker 2>this one. If I'm standing at the supermarket and I've

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<v Speaker 2>got a pile of ground beef in front of me,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's labeled, you know, manufactured, raised, you know, all

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't have anything related to that that, I'm left

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<v Speaker 2>to guess. I wonder where that came from. Do they

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<v Speaker 2>have the same safety standards as we do. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>same level of uh, you know, oversight in those countries,

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<v Speaker 2>and that allows me to make an informed decision.

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<v Speaker 3>And plus, perhaps I.

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<v Speaker 2>Would just like to support the American farmer and buy

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<v Speaker 2>United States grown and processed beef.

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<v Speaker 5>That's here's what's more of that.

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<v Speaker 4>That mystery pile of beef, it's probably it's certainly.

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<v Speaker 5>Going to say USDA on it. So the average.

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<v Speaker 4>Consumer is going to think that the mystery pile, the

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<v Speaker 4>mystery meat is from the USA, but the USDA label

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<v Speaker 4>does not imply that. And the other thing is it

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<v Speaker 4>may say product of the USA. Just because they grounded

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<v Speaker 4>up in the United.

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<v Speaker 2>States, process processed in the United States does not mean

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<v Speaker 2>that that meat was grown here.

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<v Speaker 5>Correct.

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<v Speaker 4>So this is something there are some various bills on

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<v Speaker 4>this in the Senate. In the House, I'm looking at

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<v Speaker 4>drafting my own bill to reinstitute country of origin labeling.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, the libertarian argument here is buyer beware

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<v Speaker 4>and if you know, if the consumers want to buy

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<v Speaker 4>the mystery meat, let them buy the mission. But but

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a constitutionalist here, and we have the authority Congress

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<v Speaker 4>does to regulate trade when it comes across the border.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think you know, even the Founders endowed Congress

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<v Speaker 4>with the ability to set standards for weights and measures.

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<v Speaker 4>That's in Article one, Section eight, the Directive toward Congress.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, so that a pound weighs a pound whether

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<v Speaker 4>you're buying it in Kentucky or Ohio.

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<v Speaker 5>So this falls under.

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<v Speaker 4>Both of those categories, the ability for Congress to set

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<v Speaker 4>standards and also the ability to regulate commerce with other countries.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's really no extra imposition to put that on

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<v Speaker 4>the label. There are some who would say it is,

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<v Speaker 4>but the.

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<v Speaker 5>Consumers have the right to know we do.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's something that I always look at for and

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<v Speaker 2>I've noticed that quite often you will see, at least

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<v Speaker 2>in so far as seafood is concerned. You'll see country

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<v Speaker 2>of origin on seafood. Like, I do not want to

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<v Speaker 2>buy farm raised shrimp from Vietnam or China or Malaysia

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<v Speaker 2>or wherever the hell it comes from. I want Gulf

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<v Speaker 2>of Fill in the Black Mexico, United States wild caught

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<v Speaker 5>You want to know why.

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<v Speaker 1>That is why because the seafood lobby is not as

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<v Speaker 1>powerful as the meat processing lobby, and so you still

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<v Speaker 1>have to label the country of origin on seafood for poultry,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's not a whole.

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<v Speaker 5>Lot of post processing.

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<v Speaker 4>On seafood, so you know, you can generally eat it

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<v Speaker 4>as eat it or sell it as it came out

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<v Speaker 4>of the ocean a lot of times. And so you

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<v Speaker 4>don't have that same oligarchy that controls the seafood industry

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<v Speaker 4>that you do in the beef and pork industry.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh that is it's just to still have to label it.

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<v Speaker 2>So if they had more money and could pay off

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<v Speaker 2>lobbyists and congress people elected officials, then I wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>able to know where my shrimp came from. That's really

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<v Speaker 2>what this comes down to.

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<v Speaker 5>That is what it comes down to.

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<v Speaker 2>Brother always telling it like it is, Congress and Messi,

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<v Speaker 2>let's pause. We'll bring you back because I do want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk a little bit about tariffs and a couple

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<v Speaker 2>other topics that I know you're usually fair game for

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much anything. Let's pause, and let me take nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>fifty five KERCD Talk Station Brian Thomas with Congressman Thomas

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<v Speaker 2>mass Always a wonderful thing to having Congress Massi on

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<v Speaker 2>the program. Always even made better because Judge of Poultana follows,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll be talking with Judge of Platano on tariffs.

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<v Speaker 2>And he points out in his column that these tariffs

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<v Speaker 2>were implemented or asserted by Donald Trump pursued to the

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<v Speaker 2>International Economic Emergency Powers Act of nineteen seventy seven, which

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<v Speaker 2>permits the President to impose tariffs on goods coming from

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<v Speaker 2>outside the US in the case of economic emergency. And

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<v Speaker 2>he initially cited the fentanyl crisis with regard to the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five percent tariffs on Canada and Mexico. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think we can easily agree that fentanyl is a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a crisis. But moving over, apparently that had broader

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<v Speaker 2>implications than originally intended, and so he cited this economic

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<v Speaker 2>imbalance this trade deficit we have with so many countries,

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<v Speaker 2>as the predicate the emergency to trigger them, but we

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<v Speaker 2>apparently have been experiencing a trade imbalanced since nineteen thirty one,

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<v Speaker 2>which according to the judge anyway, and I suppose people

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<v Speaker 2>are free to have their own conclusions on it. This

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<v Speaker 2>isn't a sudden or unexpected event. Ergo, it's not an emergency.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know some of the Democrats are trying to

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<v Speaker 2>advance legislation to block the tariffs, nullifying the emergency authority.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump sided to an Act of Tariffs by Representatives Meeks

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<v Speaker 2>and Larson and Neil, all Democrats. Where is Congressman Massey

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<v Speaker 4>This is great And by the way, everything you said

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<v Speaker 4>is correct. So the President declared a national emergency in

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<v Speaker 4>order to invoke these tariffs. Now, under the National Emergencies Act,

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<v Speaker 4>there's an expedited way to bring a vote to the

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<v Speaker 4>floor to countermand the president's declaration of an emergency. If

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<v Speaker 4>Congress says, no, you know what, this is not an emergency,

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<v Speaker 4>We're going to have a vote on it. And the

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<v Speaker 4>way you do it doesn't even require the Speaker of

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<v Speaker 4>the House's permission. And so what the Democrats are trying

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<v Speaker 4>to do. Now here's where the nefariot stuff happens. Because

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<v Speaker 4>I was in the center of the sausage factory last Congress.

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<v Speaker 4>I served on the Rules Committee where they.

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<v Speaker 5>I think they're skirting the law.

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<v Speaker 4>The law says, if the President declares the national emergency,

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<v Speaker 4>then anybody in Congress can bring a bill to the

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<v Speaker 4>floor undoing the national emergency without Speaker's permission. But what

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<v Speaker 4>they do is in the Rules Committee they insert a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit of text in one of these big resolutions

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<v Speaker 4>that says, oh, by the way, that National Emergency Act

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<v Speaker 4>thing that this Congressman is trying to bring to the floor,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not his resolution isn't in the right order, and

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<v Speaker 4>so we're going to turn it off using this procedural

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<v Speaker 4>slide of hand. And then my colleagues they vote for

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<v Speaker 4>this rule, let's say, the rule that brings the big

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<v Speaker 4>beautiful bill to the floor. Well, inside of that, they've

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<v Speaker 4>get this provision to turn off the National Emergencies Act

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<v Speaker 4>privileges for whoever's trying to bring the bill to the floor,

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<v Speaker 4>so they can stop the bill from coming to the floor,

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<v Speaker 4>even though the law says the bill needs to come

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<v Speaker 4>to the floor. They can use a rule, this procedural

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<v Speaker 4>resolution in Congress to stop a vote on that bill.

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<v Speaker 4>They have done this once already, and I was the

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<v Speaker 4>only Republican to vote against that procedural resolution. I may

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<v Speaker 4>have been one of ten who actually knew it was.

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<v Speaker 4>Inside of that procedural r they were turning off privileges

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<v Speaker 4>under the National Emergencies Act. So they've already once stopped

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<v Speaker 4>a vote on the emergency that enables the tariffs. They've

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<v Speaker 4>already once stopped it, and that was about three weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think they'll do the same thing again.

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<v Speaker 5>They use the Rules Committee to do this.

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<v Speaker 4>Last Congress, I served on the Rules Committee, and before

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<v Speaker 4>I got on the Rules Committee, I said, if you

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<v Speaker 4>pull this crap on anything, whether it's War Powers Act

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<v Speaker 4>they do it on War Powers Act too, or anything,

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<v Speaker 4>I will blow the whistle and I will vote no

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<v Speaker 4>in the Rules Committee. And so they never did it.

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<v Speaker 4>They didn't pull these tricks for the two years I

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<v Speaker 2>So I guess where do you see this going? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>regardless of what whether you're in favor of the East tariffs,

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<v Speaker 2>do you think they're gonna go dood or do economic damage?

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<v Speaker 3>Will they get away with it? In this case, they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to.

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<v Speaker 5>Get away with it.

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<v Speaker 4>And what's more, there will be no vote. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>at least in the Senate, they voted on this because

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<v Speaker 4>they don't have a rules committe. In the Senate, they

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<v Speaker 4>actually followed the National Emergency Act.

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<v Speaker 5>Law in the Senate.

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<v Speaker 4>In the House, they're going to get away with turning

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<v Speaker 4>it off and not even having a vote because Republicans

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<v Speaker 4>reflexibly vote for these procedural resolutions, and we're in the majority,

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<v Speaker 4>and I may be the only one that votes against

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<v Speaker 4>it unless I can wake up some of my colleagues.

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<v Speaker 4>And by the way, my vote doesn't indicate whether I'm

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<v Speaker 4>for or against the tariffs, when my vote says, bring

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<v Speaker 4>it to the floor as the law requires, and let's

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<v Speaker 4>vote on it. And so now I can give you

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<v Speaker 4>my view on tariffs. For the first one hundred and

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<v Speaker 4>fifty years of this country, we were the whole country

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<v Speaker 4>was funded with tariffs because we didn't have an income tax.

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<v Speaker 4>And if you wanted to replace the income tax, like

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<v Speaker 4>get rid of it and replace it with tariffs, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>all in, Like I would rather have a sales tax

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<v Speaker 4>on stuff coming from China or Canada to fund this

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<v Speaker 4>government than to have a tax on everybody's labor in

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<v Speaker 5>But that's not the proposal.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's not there.

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<v Speaker 4>He's adding a tariff in addition to the income tax.

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<v Speaker 5>And what's more is it's not.

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<v Speaker 4>A broad based tariff. This is this is my other

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<v Speaker 4>pet peeve. When you go in and you say, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>we need to tear if the steel industry, or we

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<v Speaker 4>need to tear if I don't know, the clothing industry.

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<v Speaker 3>Or the widget industry. Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>The problem is the government doesn't know which widgets you

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<v Speaker 4>should be buying more of or less of, or what

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<v Speaker 4>the price of those widgets should be. But when they

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<v Speaker 4>go in individually and assigned tariffs on different widgets, then

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<v Speaker 4>they're playing, you know, like they're better than the free market.

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<v Speaker 4>It doesn't work that way. And that's and here's what's more.

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<v Speaker 4>It creates an industry of lobbyists. Has got done talking

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<v Speaker 4>about the meat packing industry lobbyists. It creates an industry

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<v Speaker 4>of lobbyists who come to Congress and ask for exemptions

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<v Speaker 4>for their particular industry or their particular company.

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<v Speaker 2>Going back to the seafood industry not having as much

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so this is and I and so then it

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<v Speaker 4>starts wasting our time in Congress because there's another group

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<v Speaker 4>of lobbyists who evolve that come and try to get

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<v Speaker 4>these exemptions from these terraffs for their industry. And they'll

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<v Speaker 4>be also over at the White House lobbying the President. Hey,

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<v Speaker 4>don't teariff our thing. Our widget does you know needs

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<v Speaker 4>to get into the country without a tariff on it.

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<v Speaker 4>So we'll see how this all settles out. I honestly

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<v Speaker 4>think you know, some people are saying that the stock

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<v Speaker 4>market getting fidgety right now, in the bond market and

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<v Speaker 4>all that that's due to the terraffs. I think it's

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<v Speaker 4>due to the fact that the uncertainty of the tariffs

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<v Speaker 4>that the president can wake up on one side of

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<v Speaker 4>the bed and say we need to tear iff this

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<v Speaker 4>this morning, and then tomorrow you can wake up on

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<v Speaker 4>the other side of the bed and say we need

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<v Speaker 4>to tear iff that this today. Yeah, if there was

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<v Speaker 4>certainty behind it, I think they wouldn't have to price

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<v Speaker 4>the uncertainty in the market.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>But you saw that the other day, there was this

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<v Speaker 2>rumor going around that he was going to withdraw these

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<v Speaker 2>tariffs that he had said he was going to impose,

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<v Speaker 2>and the market went back up. And then he said no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>where did that rumor come from, and the market went

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<v Speaker 2>back down again. So there is a huge amount of

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<v Speaker 2>uncertainty built into all this, and obviously uncertainty creates fidgety

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<v Speaker 2>markets and a concerned populace. Congress from Thomas Messy, your honor,

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<v Speaker 2>Judge Ennenponto is listen, listening right now, send it awave

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<v Speaker 2>out to you, and I'll go ahead, just real quickly.

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<v Speaker 4>ARCA one, section eight says Congress should be doing this,

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<v Speaker 4>not the President, and that would give you more certainty.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I guess in closing the International Economic Emergency Powers Act,

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<v Speaker 2>much like the War's Power Act, I guess a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people can make an argument that that's not constitutional,

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<v Speaker 2>because we do have the provision for a declaration of

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<v Speaker 2>war and the Congress does have the power of the purse.

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<v Speaker 3>Right correct, there you are.

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<v Speaker 4>Whether it's constitutional or not, it is the law, and

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<v Speaker 4>the Rules Committee is circumventing the law by saying these

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<v Speaker 4>are not the droids you're looking for. They're saying this

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<v Speaker 4>is not a war powers resolution, or this is not

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<v Speaker 4>an emergency National Emergency Act resolution, and so we're going

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<v Speaker 4>to turn it off and it's not coming to the floor.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that's skirting the law.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I really do. Well. Could end up in the courts.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, but you know what.

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<v Speaker 2>I love you, Congressome Massy for explaining this to us

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<v Speaker 2>and revealing the sausage making process and the shenanigans that

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<v Speaker 2>go on each and every day in Congress.

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<v Speaker 3>God bless you, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate your willingness to come on the program and

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<v Speaker 2>speak truth to powers I always say. And waiting in

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<v Speaker 2>the wings, I know you're a fan. Judge Ennita Politano,

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<v Speaker 2>Congressom Massy, best of health, my friend will talk real soon.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, we left you and the judge as well,

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<v Speaker 5>so we'll talk.

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