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Speaker 2: Benjamin Netanya, who's speech his addressed to the United Nations
Speaker 2: today and boy he pulled no punches. And of course
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Speaker 2: the week at eleven o'clock, our monthly presidential twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: held today. Well, before we get to all of that,
Speaker 2: we have four really interesting guests, and I think all
Speaker 2: of you know if you listen to this show, that
Speaker 2: I love apples, but most specifically Macintosh apples. Joining us
Speaker 2: now is David Bedford. He is with the Department of
Speaker 2: a Horticultural Science at the University of Minnesota, and it says,
Speaker 2: I'm assuming it's Professor Bedford that you were an apple breeder.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know apple breeders exist. Is that a mispressure?
Speaker 2: Is that an actual characterization?
Speaker 3: No, that's accurate. There are not that many of us
Speaker 3: in the world, so you may not have heard of us.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we're alive and well, but just a small group.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Minnesota Twins were to change their name for
Speaker 2: some reason, they could call them the Minnesota apple breeders. Okay,
Speaker 2: what does what does an apple breeder do? I think
Speaker 2: I know, but I know you can explain it much
Speaker 2: more effectively than I ever could.
Speaker 3: Yes, Well, our job is to develop new varieties, and
Speaker 3: so by hybridization cross breeding, we develop brand new varieties
Speaker 3: that we hope will excite and stimulate the consumers.
Speaker 2: Okay, Now, I'm a great consumer of apples, macintosh apples.
Speaker 2: I believe that McIntosh apples are the perfect fruit, and
Speaker 2: I believe that the perfect apple. So my question is,
Speaker 2: why would anybody mess with McIntosh apples. I go to
Speaker 2: the store and I'm confused, as mccooon McCown's and this
Speaker 2: new one, honey Crisp. Did you guys just invent honeycrisp apples?
Speaker 3: Well, I hate to tell you, but it's been out
Speaker 3: for a while. We actually introduced it back in nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety one, and even further back we did the original
Speaker 3: breeding in nineteen sixty one. So usual, it's been around
Speaker 3: for a while, but sometimes it takes a while for
Speaker 3: the word to get out.
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, okay. I remember a few years ago
Speaker 2: there was a person in our office at WBZ Radio
Speaker 2: and they were so excited about honey crisp apples were arriving,
Speaker 2: and I had never heard of them, because I'm loyal,
Speaker 2: I have a monogam mis relationship with with Macintosh apples.
Speaker 2: She was over the moon and I try the honey
Speaker 2: crisp apple apple, much to my disappointment. Tell us how
Speaker 2: they they developed the honey crisp apple? Is it like
Speaker 2: three quarter inch Macintosh in one quarter? Tell how do
Speaker 2: we do this? I mean naked? Naked so I can
Speaker 2: understand this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, I mean it's it's really as simple
Speaker 3: as human reproduction or animal reproduction. You choose a male,
Speaker 3: you choose a female, and you hybridize the two. And
Speaker 3: in our case with apples, we take pollen from one
Speaker 3: parent and put it under the flowers of the other
Speaker 3: parents and through the magic fertilization, seeds are formed, and
Speaker 3: each of those seeds are unique individual and much as
Speaker 3: with human reproduction, the male and a female, the offspring
Speaker 3: sometimes look like the parents sometimes don't. We wish we
Speaker 3: could only pass on our good traits, but of course
Speaker 3: we can't. And that's the same issues we deal with
Speaker 3: in breeding apples.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let me so the honey crisp would then
Speaker 2: I'm going to use shorthand that would be a cross between.
Speaker 3: Well, it would be two apples you've probably never heard of.
Speaker 3: That would be a cross between keepsake and then just
Speaker 3: a breeding selection from our breeding program, just the numbered selection.
Speaker 3: So you know, probably in your world that's not exactly
Speaker 3: regal parentage. But here we go.
Speaker 2: It's okay, so you're you're peering, you're peering a thoroughbread
Speaker 2: with kind of a mutt.
Speaker 3: Well, well, your words, not mine, but.
Speaker 2: Okay, how many how many types of apples exist in
Speaker 2: the world?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know the latest count, but I know
Speaker 3: it's somewhere. I mean, in terms of varieties that have
Speaker 3: been recorded, it's over seven thousand through Wow.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: Okay, so you.
Speaker 2: Guys have a lot, have a lot to work with.
Speaker 2: What is it is, am I in the majority of
Speaker 2: the minority. I got to tell you, I love Macintosh apples,
Speaker 2: and I love Macintosh apples at this time of year.
Speaker 2: To me, they are just the perfect apple. Were Macintosh
Speaker 2: apples bread at some point back in the day.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah, actually not. I mean they were in
Speaker 3: one sense, and that every apple variety has come as
Speaker 3: a result of hybridization. Now in the case of Macintosh
Speaker 3: that wasn't human hybridization. That would have happened just from
Speaker 3: the bees bringing pollen from one tree putting to the
Speaker 3: flowers another. So we're really you know, this is the
Speaker 3: birds and bees all over.
Speaker 4: But in case you're.
Speaker 3: Choosing the parents. But there are plenty of good varieties that,
Speaker 3: especially in you know, the past, that came from just
Speaker 3: what we call open pollinated.
Speaker 5: Okay, so brought something and gave us what we got.
Speaker 2: I remember reading the story as a little boy about
Speaker 2: Johnny Appleseed. Okay, So I don't know if Johnny Appleseed
Speaker 2: was doing what you're doing in effect, And I guess
Speaker 2: Johnny Applesey was actually a person, a real person, correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, And he wasn't doing breeding,
Speaker 3: he was just taking seeds out of apples and planting
Speaker 3: them and hoping for the best. It was really like
Speaker 3: kind of spreading lottery tickets.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let me ask you this, and again I'm
Speaker 2: fascinated by what you do, and I mean that honestly.
Speaker 2: I hope you can tell from the enthusiasm my questions
Speaker 2: and I am running out of time. Let's assume when
Speaker 2: someone has a delicious Macintosh apple and they carefully take
Speaker 2: the eight or ten or twelve seeds out of the
Speaker 2: Macintosh apple, that person has no idea if that's a
Speaker 2: male apple or a female apple. I assume the average person.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, if it's an apple, then it's then it's
Speaker 3: the female. I mean every apple three male and female.
Speaker 3: But when we talk about taking seeds and an apple,
Speaker 3: that means an over has been fertilized. So that's the
Speaker 3: female part. Okay, and yes, but more importantly those eight seeds.
Speaker 3: As he took a thousand seeds out of Macintosh apples,
Speaker 3: There's two things I can tell you for sure. Number one,
Speaker 3: you'll never get another Macintosh tree out of those seeds.
Speaker 3: And number two, no two of them are alike.
Speaker 2: So what the heck was Johnny apple Seed doing? When
Speaker 2: he was running around and planting the apple seeds in
Speaker 2: the ground. That's what the sties that I read.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he did, and every one of those would
Speaker 3: grow into a tree, but it would be an unknown commodity.
Speaker 3: So in terms of the quality of those those fruit,
Speaker 3: they're almost certainly not that great. But you know, but
Speaker 3: back in that time, the standard was pretty low, and
Speaker 3: you know where a majority of that fruit went into
Speaker 3: hard cider. So at that point it really didn't matter
Speaker 3: how bad they were.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the end products what results. So was he basically
Speaker 2: producing trees that had what we call crab apples.
Speaker 3: Some of them probably were, you know, it just depends
Speaker 3: on the parents that those seeds came from, but there
Speaker 3: could have been some that were, some were a little bigger.
Speaker 3: I'd say almost certainly they would be generally considered pretty
Speaker 3: low quality by today's standards as well. Belows and macintoshed.
Speaker 2: You know, we don't script these questions, so bear with me, professor.
Speaker 2: Where do macintosh apples get where are they endemic to?
Speaker 2: Are they a United States apple? Are they a northern
Speaker 2: Western hemisphere apple? Where where did they come from?
Speaker 3: Because the next time I yeah, yeah, it was a
Speaker 3: chance discovery, but it came from Canada, and I don't
Speaker 3: recall you know, I know they've gone backwards and kind
Speaker 3: of figured out the parentage, but it wasn't a cross
Speaker 3: so it wasn't a matter of going into the records
Speaker 3: and saying, oh, okay, this is to go backwards.
Speaker 2: It would have been done by Nature's what you're telling me.
Speaker 3: I think that's right. Yeah, perfect, exactly.
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed this conversation, Professor Bedford. I hope you
Speaker 2: enjoyed it as much as I do.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I have.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: We have a community here in Boston, the greater Boston
Speaker 2: area called Bedford, Massachusetts. And of course there's also a Bedford,
Speaker 2: New Hampshire. It's probably a pretty common town, but at
Speaker 2: least those are two towns that I know of. Thank
Speaker 2: you for your expertise and bearing with some of my
Speaker 2: seemingly silly questions, but they actually would because I really
Speaker 2: am fascinated by what you do and I stand in awe.
Speaker 2: Thank you with the science that's involved in this. So
Speaker 2: thank you so much. And you are, indeed, I assume
Speaker 2: a golden golfer.
Speaker 3: Correct, you had to bring that up.
Speaker 2: That's you, that's your school let's learned to come up
Speaker 2: with a problem, come up with an apple, and call
Speaker 2: it a golden golfer. I'm telling you that that would
Speaker 2: be a huge seller.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I'll keep that in.
Speaker 2: Mind, thanks, professor. All Right, let's go too a quick
Speaker 2: break and we come back. Do you do you a
Speaker 2: little hesitant about speaking publicly? You know, speaking to groups,
Speaker 2: or speaking on the radio, or speaking on television. I
Speaker 2: have that same fear, and we're going to talk to
Speaker 2: someone's gonna help me get rid of that fear. Her
Speaker 2: name is Linda Ugloh. I hope I'm pronouncing it right.
Speaker 2: She's a local author and she's written a book, Delight
Speaker 2: in the Limelight, Overcoming your fear of speaking in front
Speaker 2: of people. We're going to learn a lot in this
Speaker 2: next conversation right back on night Side.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Well as anyone who's following my career of thirty one
Speaker 2: years in television and now beginning year number eighteen, doing
Speaker 2: this program Night Sat with Dan Ray, you know that
Speaker 2: I'm kind of a shy guy and I have a
Speaker 2: fear of public speaking. So we tonight have with us.
Speaker 2: Linda Ugelow. She's a local author and she's written a book,
Speaker 2: Delight in the Limelight, Overcoming your fear of speaking in
Speaker 2: front of people. Linda, Finally, finally I got you on
Speaker 2: my show. How are you?
Speaker 5: I'm great, and I'm so sorry that you've suffered all
Speaker 5: of these years.
Speaker 2: All these years. When I was a little boy and
Speaker 2: we would go to mind I'm not going to say
Speaker 2: which grandmother was, but she was sort of strict, and
Speaker 2: she would caution my brother and me, who were little devils,
Speaker 2: children should be seen and not heard.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 2: I have not followed her admonition to this day, but
Speaker 2: there was a point in time when I had to
Speaker 2: overcome an apprehension. I remember the first time in college
Speaker 2: I had to speak in front of a class. We
Speaker 2: were in a public speaking class. I was terrified. I
Speaker 2: was terrified. How can people overcome the fear? I have
Speaker 2: no idea if I've ever come overcome that fear, but
Speaker 2: I'm doing the best I can. How do you what
Speaker 2: can you do? What can you do well?
Speaker 5: I think one of the things that people misunderstand about
Speaker 5: it is that they try superficial or surface solutions. So
Speaker 5: practicing more ignoring the fear and just doing it anyway,
Speaker 5: or reframing the fears excitement. And it's not like any
Speaker 5: of these things are wrong, but they won't necessarily get
Speaker 5: to the fear because what I have discovered is that
Speaker 5: the fear is not random. We have a fear of
Speaker 5: speaking with good cause because meaning there are times in
Speaker 5: the past that we were ridiculed or bullied or made
Speaker 5: fun of, or ignored or somehow led to believe that
Speaker 5: it wasn't safe to speak up or be the center
Speaker 5: of attention.
Speaker 2: So that is the apprehension that is instilled to us,
Speaker 2: maybe by.
Speaker 5: My grandmother, maybe by your grandmother, or maybe maybe in
Speaker 5: school or you know. For me, part of it was
Speaker 5: the jealousy of my sisters. My mom would put me
Speaker 5: on a pedestal and they she'd say, why can't you
Speaker 5: girls be more like Linda?
Speaker 3: She's good?
Speaker 5: Why aren't you good like her? And that was their
Speaker 5: cue to attack me, and they'd kick me in the
Speaker 5: shins and they'd say, shut up, stupid. And when I
Speaker 5: realized that, it was like Gough, of course, I'm not
Speaker 5: comfortable because I struggled with this too. I'm not comfortable
Speaker 5: being on video or speaking to a crowd because I
Speaker 5: learned it was dangerous to be put in the center
Speaker 5: of attention.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's pretty good analysis. It sounds like a bad
Speaker 2: Walt Disney movie, but that's okay. Nonetheless, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: and then you you blossomed. And so you have a book,
Speaker 2: which obviously I want to mention, and there may be
Speaker 2: people who are interested in the book. It is the
Speaker 2: name of the book is Delight in the Limelight. Love
Speaker 2: the title. Overcoming your fear of speaking in front of people.
Speaker 2: I find it somewhat different, to be really honest with you,
Speaker 2: speaking in front of an audience is a little more
Speaker 2: intimidating than speaking on radio and television. Can you understand
Speaker 2: that difference?
Speaker 5: Yes, I think you know, everybody has their own pattern.
Speaker 5: Some people are comfortable when they can see people's faces,
Speaker 5: and they would find being on radio or a podcast
Speaker 5: or making a video terrifying, and then vice versa, just
Speaker 5: like some people are comfortable speaking to their peers but
Speaker 5: not authority figures and other people. It's just the opposite,
Speaker 5: and it all depends on the patterns of our experiences.
Speaker 5: Like if you were bullied in school, or you saw
Speaker 5: kids laughing at others who got up at the front
Speaker 5: and you know, didn't know where the country was. Then
Speaker 5: they would feel more uncomfortable around their peers. But if
Speaker 5: they had sympathetic parents and teachers, they would feel more
Speaker 5: comfortable speaking to older people.
Speaker 2: Okay, So, folks who have that apprehension, whether it is
Speaker 2: imbued in them naturally or whether it's the consequence of
Speaker 2: some unfortunate experiences, are the lessons in your book that
Speaker 2: they can learn from? And also, do you provide one
Speaker 2: on one counseling with people. I don't want to put
Speaker 2: you in an uncomfortable spot here, but I want to
Speaker 2: know what is the extent You're an author, obviously, but
Speaker 2: are people allowed to get in touch with you? And
Speaker 2: do you do counseling with people?
Speaker 5: I'm to say that yes and yes, so yes. In
Speaker 5: the book, I have a whole chapter that help people
Speaker 5: take inventory of their past, and a whole chapter and
Speaker 5: how to heal and clear those things away. We have
Speaker 5: another section where people learn to be kinder to themselves
Speaker 5: because people don't realize that they are actually creating a
Speaker 5: lot of anxiety by the way they're speaking to themselves.
Speaker 5: And if you don't explain, so if you get up
Speaker 5: to speak and you're about to get up to speak.
Speaker 5: Let's say you're doing a presentation or sharing at a
Speaker 5: meeting and you say, oh my god, I'm not as
Speaker 5: good as so and so they're real natural. I don't
Speaker 5: know what I'm talking about. People are going to see
Speaker 5: that I'm a fraud I or they're going to notice
Speaker 5: I'm nervous and you're going to mess this up. You know,
Speaker 5: this kind of talk is not going to help you
Speaker 5: feel confident. So you but we don't even notice the
Speaker 5: kind of dialogue we have in our heads. So it's
Speaker 5: very important to also take inventory of how we're speaking
Speaker 5: to ourselves and learn to replace that with encouraging words,
Speaker 5: kind words, positive reflections that are going to make you
Speaker 5: feel calmer, more relaxed, and more eager to share what
Speaker 5: you have to share. And then the third part of
Speaker 5: my book is all about how to build skills of
Speaker 5: confident presence and enjoying the sound of your voice, because
Speaker 5: speaking is our human design. Three year olds two year
Speaker 5: olds love the sound of their voice. They loved you know,
Speaker 5: so something has happened to us. Between three we have
Speaker 5: about a.
Speaker 2: Two and a half, well almost two and a half
Speaker 2: year old grandson who loves this sound of his voice.
Speaker 5: Exactly, exactly. Yes, So the question is what happens between
Speaker 5: then and out. So that's about my book, and I
Speaker 5: think it's it's a great guy for anybody who wants
Speaker 5: to get over their fears speaking or enjoy the speaking.
Speaker 5: They do more. And yes, I do one on one coaching,
Speaker 5: and I also have a group program also called the
Speaker 5: Light in the Limelight, to get you from the dread
Speaker 5: to loving it instead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's an interesting phenomenon because I think
Speaker 2: then when you ask people and some night I'm going
Speaker 2: to do this, what is your biggest fear? I would
Speaker 2: say that that probably a lot of people would say
Speaker 2: snakes or spiders, but a bet your significant number of
Speaker 2: people would be happy to speak in public.
Speaker 5: Yes, I think you're right. When I did my research
Speaker 5: on this, the only thing that people were more afraid
Speaker 5: of than speaking in public were snakes.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Have you seen the movie Snakes in a Plane?
Speaker 2: I still don't understand why they didn't get an oscar
Speaker 2: for that movie.
Speaker 5: I don't think I would like to see that movie.
Speaker 2: It's one of those it was a canty sort of movie,
Speaker 2: to be honest with you. It never even would have
Speaker 2: been considered. But it's a fun movie to watch if
Speaker 2: you want to scare it.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'll consider it. I'll consider it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, particularly maybe the Halloween week or something.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 2: Samuel Jackson is the star. Probably not at the top
Speaker 2: of his greatest movies, that's for sure. Snake's on a Plane.
Speaker 5: Well, it's memorable anyway.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it is definitely memorable. If you get it,
Speaker 2: yits you'll watch it and you'll enjoy it, and you'll
Speaker 2: laugh and you'll think about me, Linda, I enjoyed this conversation.
Speaker 2: You're local, by the way, you're you're somewhere in the
Speaker 2: in the eastern Massachusetts.
Speaker 5: Correct, Yes, yes, I'm near about fifteen minute bike ride
Speaker 5: from Walden Pond.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, and folks can find you. I'm sure your
Speaker 2: last name is spelled ug e l ow do. What
Speaker 2: do you do? Much work? Corporate work with companies who
Speaker 2: have you know, corporate executives who are very very smart
Speaker 2: but also very very timid.
Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, and they don't want anyone to know that
Speaker 5: they have this issue, so they're very happy when they
Speaker 5: get over it and then they don't have to have
Speaker 5: a big reveal.
Speaker 2: Give them two tricks. Note cards are always great, Okay,
Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with having a few note cards. If
Speaker 2: you have a podium of dayis in front you, and
Speaker 2: look over the audience if you're really afraid, because the
Speaker 2: only people who will think you're looking over the audience,
Speaker 2: looking past the audience of the people in the back
Speaker 2: two rows. Everybody else will think that you're talking to
Speaker 2: people in the back two rows. Anyway, Linda, I really
Speaker 2: enjoyed the conversation. Maybe we'll have you back some night
Speaker 2: and we can have people take phone calls. We'll really
Speaker 2: take phone calls and they could ask for tips. I'll
Speaker 2: bet you this one might work. We might call you
Speaker 2: back and we'll have you on for a full hour.
Speaker 5: Okay, I would enjoy that.
Speaker 2: Thanks very much, Linda, I enjoyed this. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: When we come back right after the news, we're going
Speaker 2: to introduce you to a new way to live your life.
Speaker 2: It's with a life coach. Her name is Stephanie O'Day
Speaker 2: and it's called slow Living. Cultivating a life of purpose
Speaker 2: in a hustle driven world. Tips for living life slow
Speaker 2: Ahead of the World Mental Health Day. I'm going to
Speaker 2: enjoy this interview too. We're coming back right after the
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Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on wv Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: All right, I don't know if you've ever heard of
Speaker 2: this concept. It's called slow living, and I'm going to
Speaker 2: slow down my interview pace just a little bit to
Speaker 2: kind of get into the sense of the story I'm
Speaker 2: only getting with us. It's Stephanie O'Day she's an author
Speaker 2: and a life coach. Stephanie. Welcome. I was giving you
Speaker 2: a little bit of trouble there. How tell us all
Speaker 2: about slow living because I haven't. I haven't. I haven't
Speaker 2: lived slow in a long time. Go right ahead.
Speaker 6: I think it's great, Dan, I have a really bouncy brain,
Speaker 6: so I am. I'm definitely trying to follow my own
Speaker 6: best advice. Slow living is the idea that if we're lucky,
Speaker 6: life is long, so don't fall into feeling behind, feeling
Speaker 6: like you're not going to meet all of your personal
Speaker 6: and professional goals. You will get there, but what I
Speaker 6: teach is how to get there in a slow, steady,
Speaker 6: and sustainable way instead of succumbing to kind of like
Speaker 6: burn out and overwhelm.
Speaker 2: So this is kind of like the turtle and the
Speaker 2: hair face.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes see, I didn't need to write.
Speaker 2: A book, Dan, all right, I hope you understand. I
Speaker 2: wasn't making fun. I was just trying to sort of
Speaker 2: set the stage, if you will, for the interview, and
Speaker 2: I kind of slowed down my pace and talked about
Speaker 2: you a little bit.
Speaker 6: So no, I think you are wonderful. You're precious thing.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you very much, I appreciate that we've
Speaker 2: just met, and that's a good start slow living, cultivating
Speaker 2: a life of purpose in a hustle driven world. I'm
Speaker 2: one of those guys who has to five or six
Speaker 2: balls in the year simultaneously during the day to keep
Speaker 2: my mind active. How do I slow it down?
Speaker 6: So I'm okay with that, Dan, I really am. And
Speaker 6: I'm not kidding when I say that I have a
Speaker 6: bounty brain. But I want you to do the things
Speaker 6: that you want to do. So if one of the
Speaker 6: balls isn't what Dan wants to do, get rid of
Speaker 6: that ball. So that's essentially what it's about. If it's
Speaker 6: not doing things out of guilt or obligation, but it's
Speaker 6: the things that you really want to do. And so
Speaker 6: if there's stuff on your calendar and it doesn't like
Speaker 6: make you excited and sparkly and glitterally, kind of decide
Speaker 6: on purpose whether or not this is something you really
Speaker 6: need to do or if it's just something that you've
Speaker 6: always done.
Speaker 3: That's yeah, ask you this.
Speaker 2: Let me like, I like to have a good exchange here.
Speaker 2: So all of us, at some point during in our
Speaker 2: lives have to work. Okay, I'm at a point in
Speaker 2: my life where I could retire if I wanted to.
Speaker 2: But I like working, okay, so I'll take that, okay,
Speaker 2: But there are a lot of people out there who
Speaker 2: feel they really have to work and they don't like
Speaker 2: I like my job all kidding aside, I really do.
Speaker 2: It's a fun job. I meet different people over the
Speaker 2: phone every night, like yourself, to deal with different topics.
Speaker 2: But a lot of people have a job that is
Speaker 2: treagery and it's like you don't want you know, there's
Speaker 2: no challenge, and what they would like to do might
Speaker 2: be play golf all day, but they can't afford to
Speaker 2: do that. So how do you balance off of what
Speaker 2: you need to do with what you'd really like to do?
Speaker 6: Absolutely so, I too need to work, But what I
Speaker 6: hope is that you do have some golf on your counter.
Speaker 6: Maybe not all day every day, but if you're putting
Speaker 6: off the things you want to do because you're waiting
Speaker 6: to retire or waiting for a slow season, that constantly
Speaker 6: delaying the gratification is what makes life feel druggery, and
Speaker 6: it's like it's not even fun to get out of
Speaker 6: bed in the morning. So, yeah, you probably can't play
Speaker 6: golf all day every day, But can you do it
Speaker 6: once a month. Can you schedule that in and then
Speaker 6: put the rest of your obligations around that. That's what
Speaker 6: I'm talking about, Okay.
Speaker 2: So it's making time for doing something that you want.
Speaker 2: I make time for doing something that I want. Even
Speaker 2: though I work a long day. I start at nine
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning and start thinking about the show
Speaker 2: that starts at eight o'clock at night, try to make
Speaker 2: the show different and all of that. But during the day,
Speaker 2: I try to get the things done you have to
Speaker 2: get done, whether it's go to the gym, go to
Speaker 2: the store, nil some letters or whatever. Okay, And I
Speaker 2: look at those things. They're tasks, but that I feel
Speaker 2: good about. Yeah, so I guess I don't view them
Speaker 2: that as tasks.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah. So to me, Dan, it sounds like you've
Speaker 6: got a pretty good mindset already, which is fantastic, and
Speaker 6: so little things. If you're stuck in an office building
Speaker 6: all day long, do something for yourself. I just read
Speaker 6: a study saying that one of the reasons smoking took
Speaker 6: off the way it did is because people were allowing
Speaker 6: themselves a brain break every hour to go outside. So
Speaker 6: don't take up smoking, but maybe you could go walk
Speaker 6: around the building, or go to a bathroom on a
Speaker 6: different floor, or go outside, or do something throughout the
Speaker 6: day that's solely just for you. I happened to be
Speaker 6: a really early riser, and I learned that in order
Speaker 6: to kind of feed my soul first, it was better
Speaker 6: for me to get up even earlier, because then my
Speaker 6: kids didn't need me, and I could actually pay attention
Speaker 6: to my own wants and meets before other people were
Speaker 6: demanding stuff for me. So it's just kind of reprioritizing
Speaker 6: in your brain of doing things that you really want
Speaker 6: to do instead of constantly shoving those things aside because
Speaker 6: you think you're too busy. We're all busy.
Speaker 2: How did you? How did you come to this? You're
Speaker 2: writing a book which is going to explain it for
Speaker 2: people who might be interested in slowing their life down
Speaker 2: a little different times, not just entirely getting off the treadmill,
Speaker 2: But how did you come to this? Did you have
Speaker 2: a book? Did you read I'm assuming did you? Did
Speaker 2: you figure this out for yourself and now you're sharing
Speaker 2: it with others? Right?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: So what's really interesting, dan Is I got fired from
Speaker 6: writing cookbooks, so crop books are slow cookers, and that's
Speaker 6: what I used to do is I used to write
Speaker 6: slow cooker cookbooks and then my literary agent and publisher
Speaker 6: wanted me to write pressure cooker cookbooks and I don't
Speaker 6: like it. So I sort of have this like voice
Speaker 6: of God of like, hey, staff, just because you can
Speaker 6: do something fast, it doesn't mean you should. And the
Speaker 6: way my brain worked was I wanted to get dinner
Speaker 6: over with and cross it off my list at six
Speaker 6: am and then move on. So to me, that's at
Speaker 6: six am.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming you mean breakfast. Hopefully you're not eating dinner
Speaker 2: at six am.
Speaker 6: No. But the way the crop loot flow cooker works
Speaker 6: is you put your food in and then I had
Speaker 6: all day long to do the stuff I wanted to do.
Speaker 6: And so that's how the two concepts got nerried.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good. Okay, now I get that. That's a
Speaker 2: good that's a good metaphor.
Speaker 6: Yeah. So in general, we live in a pressure cooker world,
Speaker 6: and if you can slow it down and be more
Speaker 6: like the crop loot, there's your sound bite.
Speaker 2: No no, no, I used to deal with sound bites
Speaker 2: when I was in TV for a long time. But
Speaker 2: you do interviews here that that is for sure. So
Speaker 2: how long has the book been out and what sort
Speaker 2: of reaction and reception have you received.
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 6: Absolutely, So the book came from a slow Living podcast
Speaker 6: that I've been doing since the twenty twenty one because
Speaker 6: the whole world sort of did need to slow down
Speaker 6: during the pandemic, and I think people really started to
Speaker 6: reprioritize what was important to them in many ways. And
Speaker 6: then this new book just got released this week.
Speaker 2: Good timing, Good timing. And is this your first book
Speaker 2: or have you have you written this?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: So this is actually my eleventh book. So I was
Speaker 6: well known for the crop pot site and my make
Speaker 6: It Fast cook its Slow cookbooks, and I was fortunate
Speaker 6: enough that they landed me on the New York Times
Speaker 6: Bestsellers list for that, which was super fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, so this I hope matches some of the
Speaker 2: New York Times bestseller books. What is what are some
Speaker 2: of the other books of the other subjects that you've
Speaker 2: dealt with that that maybe people can only once they
Speaker 2: buy this book they might look for some of the others.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I wrote a book on intermittent fasting which was called
Speaker 6: two four six Eat. I did a memoir of how
Speaker 6: the whole crop Pot site got started, which is called
Speaker 6: the Mommy Blogger next Door. And then I have four
Speaker 6: crop Pot slow cooker cookbooks, but I'm best known for
Speaker 6: the make It Fast, Cook It Slow cookbooks.
Speaker 2: Make It Fast, Cook It Slow. I like that. I
Speaker 2: enjoyed our conversation, Stephanie. I really did. Thank you so
Speaker 2: much too, because she's a life coach. One more time.
Speaker 2: The book is called Slow Living, Cultivating a Path of
Speaker 2: Purpose in a hustle driven world. Tips for living, Slow Living,
Speaker 2: life slow ahead of World Mental Health Day. Okay, good timing,
Speaker 2: and the book's just out Slow Living. Thanks very much, Stephanie,
Speaker 2: appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Thank you all.
Speaker 2: Bye. When we get back, we're going to get a
Speaker 2: little more local here. We're going to talk about a
Speaker 2: high school soccer tournament, which is actually the eighteenth annual
Speaker 2: Lois Wells Memorial Kicks for Cancer. It's tomorrow, So if
Speaker 2: you're looking for something to do on an absolutely beautiful day,
Speaker 2: which I think tomorrow is promised to us as a
Speaker 2: beautiful day, I'm going to suggest you might want to
Speaker 2: pay very close attention to my next guest. If you
Speaker 2: want to go watch some high school soccer for a
Speaker 2: great cause. We'll be back on night's side with Steve Wells,
Speaker 2: the co founder of Lois Wells Memorial Kicks for Cancer.
Speaker 2: Back after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nice Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, I want to welcome Stephen Wells. Steven Welcome.
Speaker 2: How are you today tonight?
Speaker 5: Great?
Speaker 4: Dan, thank you so much for having me on so tomorrow.
Speaker 2: You're the co founder of what will be the eighteenth
Speaker 2: annual Lois Wells Memorial Kids for Cancer. It is a
Speaker 2: huge event at Conquered Carlisle High School. But before we
Speaker 2: talk about that, tell us about your mom.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, my mom she was diagnosed in two thousand
Speaker 4: and six with ovarian cancer. Didn't really have many symptoms,
Speaker 4: but eventually found out she had stage four ovarian cancer
Speaker 4: and she received her treatment at Dana Farber Cancer Institute,
Speaker 4: which is where we donate all the money we raised
Speaker 4: from our event, and we had an amazing experience there. Unfortunately,
Speaker 4: she lost her battle to cancer less than a year
Speaker 4: after her diagnosis in two thousand and seven, in March
Speaker 4: of two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2: She sounds like a wonderful woman. I've read a little
Speaker 2: bit about her, and so in her memory, you have
Speaker 2: formed this event. It's an annual event. Is it always
Speaker 2: on a Saturday in September? Tell us a little bit
Speaker 2: about the history of the event.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So the way it started was I've been coaching
Speaker 4: soccer at Conquer Carlisle High School since I graduated college.
Speaker 4: And the head coach of the team, Ray Pavlick, he's
Speaker 4: a good family friend of my family. He played soccer
Speaker 4: with my brother at Conquer Carlisle and he was the
Speaker 4: assistant coach when I played soccer there. But he just,
Speaker 4: out of an act of love, wanted to do something
Speaker 4: to support my family and me kind of you know,
Speaker 4: just obviously through a very difficult time. So he came
Speaker 4: up with this idea of playing a game where all
Speaker 4: the players wore wells on the back of their shirts.
Speaker 4: So this was the fall of two thousand and seven.
Speaker 4: We played a single game against Boston Latin High School.
Speaker 2: High School I want you to know, a long time ago,
Speaker 2: last century.
Speaker 4: There you go, no, And it was a great first event.
Speaker 4: We raised eight thousand dollars, which we donated to Dana Farber,
Speaker 4: and at the time that sounded incredible and I thought
Speaker 4: this would just be kind of a one time thing.
Speaker 4: But then he surprised me. The next year he's like,
Speaker 4: we're going to do it again. And from there it's
Speaker 4: really kind of taken off, grown into multiple games and
Speaker 4: now is all all day games. And it's not even
Speaker 4: just soccer. We also have you know, field hockey does
Speaker 4: sticks for cancer, the football team does tackles for cancer,
Speaker 4: volleyball does digs for cancer. So all these different teams
Speaker 4: are getting involved in many different student groups without throughout
Speaker 4: the school So it's grown into kind of a whole
Speaker 4: week long thing. And we also have a a thing
Speaker 4: called the Mighty Movie Spun run in five K, which
Speaker 4: is Sunday, so the day after which is you.
Speaker 2: Got the whole calendar of events. Here is it all?
Speaker 2: Is this always in September? I mean this is a
Speaker 2: big weekend for you, but some of the other events
Speaker 2: are in other They sound like the many of them
Speaker 2: fall sports. Are they pretty much confined to this time
Speaker 2: of year or do you spread them out throughout the
Speaker 2: school year?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: No, we always do it the last weekend in September.
Speaker 4: You know, traditionally have gotten great weather. Only only a
Speaker 4: couple of times have we had any rain. Never has
Speaker 4: it like ruined the day or anything, so it's always Yeah,
Speaker 4: the last weekend in September.
Speaker 2: Well, what's what's interesting about it is your mom passed.
Speaker 2: It sounds like in the spring of two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2: So the first event, the one that raised eight thousand dollars,
Speaker 2: was that September in this eighteenth yees what not that
Speaker 2: it matters how much, but I'm just wondering have you
Speaker 2: been able to grow it every year? So I'm just curious,
Speaker 2: what what do you hope to raise this year?
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I mean people have been so generous with
Speaker 4: just well, first of all, we have a whole committee
Speaker 4: that you know, works to make this happen, led by
Speaker 4: our fearless leader, Trish Sefer, who is a mother of
Speaker 4: a player on the team, and she's had several players
Speaker 4: come through our program. And so last year, just for comparison,
Speaker 4: we raised one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars. So
Speaker 4: it's really grown a tremendous amount since that first year
Speaker 4: of eight thousand dollars, and we're hoping to eclipse a
Speaker 4: million dollars that we've raised this year, so you'll push.
Speaker 2: It over a million dollars well, that's just fabulous. It
Speaker 2: sounds like a great event. So what time, let's let's go.
Speaker 2: It's tomorrow, so people may not have planned for tomorrow,
Speaker 2: but willill it be? And what time does it start?
Speaker 2: And how long does it run? Gets give us the hits,
Speaker 2: runs and errors.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, absolutely, So it's tomorrow at Conquer Carlow High School,
Speaker 4: which five hundred Walden Street, and I think the first
Speaker 4: event kicks off at like eight am and then we'll
Speaker 4: run through there. There will be stuff basically all day
Speaker 4: and kind of the culminating event is our varsity boys
Speaker 4: soccer game and we play Lincoln Sudbury High School. That's
Speaker 4: at six forty five, and that's kind of like the
Speaker 4: culminating event. But we have many different towns involved, not
Speaker 4: just Conquer Carlow, but a lot of Lincoln Sudbury, your
Speaker 4: your alma mater, Boston, Latin Whalen, well, yeah, I stop.
Speaker 2: Looking at it right now, I get Whaleen, Lincoln Sudbury,
Speaker 2: Weston is involved there, Bedford Acting, Boxborough, Cambridge, Yeah, virtually,
Speaker 2: Arlington Act Acting, BAK to all different teams in different sports,
Speaker 2: Varsity boys soccer, girls, varsity soccer, ninth grade boys ninth
Speaker 2: grade girls football varsity football. You got, yeah, you got
Speaker 2: a varsity football game going on at high noon concor
Speaker 2: con Im, Waltham. So this seems like a great, great day,
Speaker 2: great event for an absolute great cause. And again, what
Speaker 2: I read about your mom's to be just an absolute
Speaker 2: amazing woman. So thanks for following in her spirit and turning,
Speaker 2: you know, a tragedy and the loss of a loved
Speaker 2: one into something that's going to help all the research
Speaker 2: that needs to be done to beat some of these
Speaker 2: various forms of cancer that all of us, at one
Speaker 2: point or another might face within our community, within our family.
Speaker 2: So thank you very much for what you do on this, Steve,
Speaker 2: and best of luck tomorrow. And I'm glad we had
Speaker 2: a chance to have it here in the show. Have
Speaker 2: you here in the show? And next year, let's do
Speaker 2: it a little earlier in the week so people can
Speaker 2: plan and build this Saturday schedule around it.
Speaker 4: Okay, that sounds great, Dan, thank you so much for
Speaker 4: having me.
Speaker 2: You're very welcome. Steve Wells, the co founder of the
Speaker 2: annual Lois Wells Lois Wells Memorial Kicks for Cancer Saturday,
Speaker 2: September twenty eighth, And that's tomorrow. All right, you can
Speaker 2: go there if you want to find the information. Just
Speaker 2: kicks for cancer, the numeral one dot org. We'll do it.
Speaker 2: All right, we get back. We're going to talk about
Speaker 2: the tour of the country that the President of the
Speaker 2: of Ukraine has made in the last couple of days.
Speaker 2: President Voladimir Zelenski has met face to face now with
Speaker 2: both of the major presidential candidates, Vice President Kamala Harris
Speaker 2: and former President Donald Trump. And we'll look at that.
Speaker 2: And the question we're going to ask you is which
Speaker 2: one of those candidates do you have more confidence in
Speaker 2: handling what is going on on half a world away
Speaker 2: in Ukraine, but which we are very much committed to
Speaker 2: and involved in. My name's Stanray. This is the nights.
Speaker 2: I'd be back right after this.