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<v Speaker 1>Let's go right to can'a commasp a hotline though, and

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<v Speaker 1>bring on our guy Ryan Michael.

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<v Speaker 2>At you, Ryan Michael on the Twitter machine? Ryan, how

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<v Speaker 2>you doing this evening?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty excited, Ben after our win on Thursday night,

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<v Speaker 3>so excited about this upcoming in terms of a stretch

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<v Speaker 3>of two games. It can't be too much more excited

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<v Speaker 3>than a very winnable game coming on Sunday. So looking

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<v Speaker 3>forward to talking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Sh I do say that, of course if we lose

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<v Speaker 1>that how devastated and disappointed will we all be if

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<v Speaker 1>we lose to the Carolina Panthers, now that we've hyped

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<v Speaker 1>that up.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're gonna, we're gonna we're just.

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<v Speaker 1>Move past that for now and just pretend that it's

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<v Speaker 1>continue to say that it's a very winnable game before

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<v Speaker 1>I get into it.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you I don't know if I've asked you this before?

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<v Speaker 4>And now?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever watched the TV show Psyche?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? Yeah, of course it's It's been a good probably

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen years since I've seen an episode.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, okay, well it is a cinematic masterpiece that

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<v Speaker 1>it is great to show of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever. Yeah, I loosely based my life on the character

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<v Speaker 2>of Sean. I.

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<v Speaker 1>I was trying to tell the guys I was going

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<v Speaker 1>to make them some food. I remember how the discussion

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<v Speaker 1>came up last night that they didn't, you know, believe

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<v Speaker 1>I cook or whatever, and I do enjoy cooking. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to make them from the Cinnamon Festival episode,

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<v Speaker 1>the cinnamon pie from that episode. So that's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>something that's on the docket for next week. And one

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<v Speaker 1>of the listeners actually got me the recipe.

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<v Speaker 3>I have no idea what episode you're referencing, but it

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<v Speaker 3>sounds good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a Twin Peaks spoof Dual Spires.

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<v Speaker 1>But all right, anyway, let's get right into it here

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. I talked about this Broncos defense during

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<v Speaker 1>training camp to prestige. I said, they're going to sneak

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<v Speaker 1>up on people that go to surprise people. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be a very good defense. I may have undersold. According

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<v Speaker 1>to your chart on Twitter, am I correct in saying

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<v Speaker 1>that this year's defense might be the best pass defense

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<v Speaker 1>over the last decade, even better than the No Fly.

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<v Speaker 3>Zone statistically speaking, yes, And when I dig into the numbers,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll get to that in a minute. It's actually even

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<v Speaker 3>more impressive than the wrong numbers. So what I did

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<v Speaker 3>in my chart is I charted all of our past

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<v Speaker 3>defenses over the last ten years, so including this year,

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<v Speaker 3>dating back to Super Bowl Championship year in twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 3>and I ranked them by adjusted net yards per attempt

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<v Speaker 3>on defense. So that's factoring in completion percentage, yards for

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<v Speaker 3>passing a tep touchdown, passes, interceptions, and sacks. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>pretty good on puppeteing metric, and so far our adjusted

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<v Speaker 3>net yards per a tent mark this season is four

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<v Speaker 3>point two, So if you look to the chart, our

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<v Speaker 3>lowest mark over the previous ten years was four point four.

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<v Speaker 3>By the twenty sixteen squad was actually slightly better than

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<v Speaker 3>the four point seven that we put up our Super

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<v Speaker 3>Bowl Championship winning year. We've been dominant in the statistic

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<v Speaker 3>Curry number of years, second in twenty fifteen, number one

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<v Speaker 3>in the NFL in twenty sixteen, third of the NFL

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty twenty two. We dropped all the way down

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<v Speaker 3>to twenty eighth last year, and now we're back up

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<v Speaker 3>to second place this year. And I also threw in

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<v Speaker 3>just for fun, where we rank as far as quarterback

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<v Speaker 3>hits and pass defensive exp which is expected points added

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<v Speaker 3>per Pro Football Reference. We're number one in the league

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<v Speaker 3>in both two of those category. So you know, depending

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<v Speaker 3>on the statistic of measure you're choosing, you're certainly an

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<v Speaker 3>argument to be made this is the best we've seen

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<v Speaker 3>over the last decade.

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<v Speaker 4>So, Ryan, why do you think the Broncos are playing

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<v Speaker 4>better this year defensively opposed to how they played defensively

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<v Speaker 4>last year? Last year, to be fair, they did have

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<v Speaker 4>their moments where they play well. As a group, they.

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<v Speaker 3>Did, and I think it's a combination of scheme, personnel,

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<v Speaker 3>and just having another year under the belt for Van

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<v Speaker 3>Sursus to really implement and run this defense the way

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<v Speaker 3>he likes to. You know, obviously, it's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>impossible to run away from the comparisons to the twenty

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen squad. We don't quite have the personnel that we

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<v Speaker 3>fielded in twenty fifteen, and for that reason that I

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<v Speaker 3>can make the argument that I'm even more impressed with

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<v Speaker 3>what we're able to do. Obviously, Patsotan's the best corner

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<v Speaker 3>in the league. I've been saying that since the summer,

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<v Speaker 3>and even with him out on Thursday night. Granted it

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<v Speaker 3>was against a very beat up New Orleans team, but

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<v Speaker 3>we didn't miss a beat. So this defense has been

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<v Speaker 3>so dominant that if you break down the quarterbacks that

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<v Speaker 3>we face, and they share with you some numbers that

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<v Speaker 3>to me make what we've been able to do all

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<v Speaker 3>the more impressive. In the season. Opener Gina Smith, who's

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<v Speaker 3>the NFL's leading passer, we held them one hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>seventy one yards. He's been averaging three hundred and two

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<v Speaker 3>point three passing yards per game in all of the

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<v Speaker 3>other games. What kind of difference is that if you

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<v Speaker 3>take that pace and you spread it over seventeen games,

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<v Speaker 3>it's the difference between twenty nine hundred and seven passing

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<v Speaker 3>yards a year, which would be nineteen seventies numbers, or

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of what he's averaging outside of the games

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<v Speaker 3>against Denver five one hundred and forty yards. Baker Mayfield

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<v Speaker 3>leads the NFL with eighteen touchdown passes. We held him

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<v Speaker 3>to one. He's turned seventeen and the other six teams

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<v Speaker 3>that's almost three touchdown passes per game. And even more impressive,

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<v Speaker 3>the Buccaneers collectively as a team, we held them to

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<v Speaker 3>seven they've scored two hundred and two points in the

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<v Speaker 3>other six teams, that's thirty three point seven points per game.

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<v Speaker 3>We held them to seven. You know, the numbers in

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<v Speaker 3>the rankings speak for themselves, but when you dig into

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<v Speaker 3>the context of who we've been facing and just how

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<v Speaker 3>well we've been playing, I'd make the argument there even

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<v Speaker 3>better than the Ron Hubs.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that certainly as impressed.

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<v Speaker 1>They're talking to Ryan Michael at v Ryan Michael on Twitter,

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<v Speaker 1>how much of the credit goes to Vance Joseph for

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<v Speaker 1>turning this thing around?

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<v Speaker 2>And I want to tack on Jim Leonard.

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<v Speaker 1>As well, because that addition seems to have really helped

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<v Speaker 3>Unquestionably, and for me, it's one thing if you have

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<v Speaker 3>an established culture of excellence and something that we're trying

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<v Speaker 3>to take for granted. Nick, I'm sure you can relate

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<v Speaker 3>to that because of how dominant the defenses were the

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<v Speaker 3>years that you've played there. But I don't think people

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<v Speaker 3>fully appreciate just how much the team struggled last year

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<v Speaker 3>because we did have the bright spots, but at the

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<v Speaker 3>end of the day, we finished twenty seventh in points

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<v Speaker 3>per game, surrendered, one of the lowest marks and franchise history.

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<v Speaker 3>We're third in the league right now. If this was

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<v Speaker 3>happening on the other side of the ball, it would

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<v Speaker 3>be the story of the NFL this year. For whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 3>we don't give defense the same amount of love that

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<v Speaker 3>we give offense. But clearly it has just as great

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<v Speaker 3>of an impact in terms of wins and losses. Because

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<v Speaker 3>we're sitting at four and three after going through some

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<v Speaker 3>fairly tough games with some pretty big upset wins. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's tough not to be jazzed about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Ryan, I'm glad that you said that, because you're absolutely right,

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<v Speaker 4>and this where where we live to talk about the

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<v Speaker 4>quarterback sell them.

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<v Speaker 2>Do they give the.

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<v Speaker 4>Defense their props? Because the last time I check, the

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<v Speaker 4>saying is very true. Defense wins championship. So with that

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<v Speaker 4>being said, looking at this lay of games that the

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<v Speaker 4>Broncos have coming up, they get the Panthers on Sunday,

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<v Speaker 4>they have Baltimore, they have Kansas City. Is this Broncos

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<v Speaker 4>team or Kansas team actually be a playoff contender?

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<v Speaker 3>It's certainly possible. So again, you know, Ben, we don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to take for granted the game against Carolina. It's

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<v Speaker 3>the NFL. Any given Sunday, anything that can happen. But

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<v Speaker 3>let's say we do beat the Panthers, we advance to

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<v Speaker 3>five and three. That's when we get into the meat

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<v Speaker 3>and potatoes of the schedule. It's going to be very,

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<v Speaker 3>very difficult. But if you look at the schedule as

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<v Speaker 3>a whole, there are a number of winnable games. Atlanta

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<v Speaker 3>has a winning record, but they're twenty second and points

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<v Speaker 3>per games surrendered only fifteenth in scoring. That's a winnable game.

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<v Speaker 3>The Raiders is a winnable game, The Browns, the Colts.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, if we want all of those games, that

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<v Speaker 3>would get us to nine. If we pull another upset,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe take one from Kansas City, that would be ten.

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<v Speaker 3>So looking at the schedule as it is, and this

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<v Speaker 3>is provided that we take care of business against Carolina,

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<v Speaker 3>I would say that seven to eight wins would be conservative,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's of course exceeding the expectations. Right with five

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<v Speaker 3>and a half, we're going to move past that, And

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<v Speaker 3>I would say, on the optimistic side, it's possibly you

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<v Speaker 3>could get nine and ten and possibly sweak into the postseason.

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<v Speaker 3>What we would do there certainly remains to be seen.

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<v Speaker 3>And I agree with what Ben's expressed in terms of

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<v Speaker 3>the upcoming schedule. Even if we don't win our games

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<v Speaker 3>against Kansas City and Baltimore, I'm going to be paying

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<v Speaker 3>very close attention to how we could be because if

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<v Speaker 3>we get blown out, that's going to be a sign

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<v Speaker 3>of things to come. But if we're competitive, I think

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<v Speaker 3>we can carry that momentum and to see to pick

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<v Speaker 3>up some late regular season wins.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, in order to even be competitive or get those wins,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to need to see quite a bit out

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<v Speaker 1>of bo Nicks. We're seven games into his NFL career.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you make of the rookie quarterbacks so far?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, statistically then it's obviously a disappointment relative to

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<v Speaker 3>my preseason projections. There's no running away for that. But

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<v Speaker 3>when you're looking at a seven game sample size, it's

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<v Speaker 3>important to know that any number of games that are

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<v Speaker 3>really bad ton exkew the efficiency. So you look to

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<v Speaker 3>the extreme low safetyguards per attempt, the only average three

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<v Speaker 3>point three versus Seattle, A future two point four against

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<v Speaker 3>the Jets, you know, completed forty eight percent of his

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<v Speaker 3>passes against the Jets. So those are the kind of

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<v Speaker 3>things then that statistically will kill your season. Efficiency marks,

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<v Speaker 3>so the overall raw numbers are not pretty. On the

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<v Speaker 3>flip side of the coin, there are the hinds. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>we expected, though, to be a quarterback who was difficult

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<v Speaker 3>to sack. I don't know if we expected his hack

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<v Speaker 3>percentage to be this good. At three point eight six percent,

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<v Speaker 3>he's fourth in the league. He's number one in the

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<v Speaker 3>NFL once quarterbacks who have thrown two hundred or more passes.

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<v Speaker 3>He threw four picks in his first two games, sure,

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<v Speaker 3>but then one interception over the next five. So right

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<v Speaker 3>now we're having a guy who with his legs, I

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<v Speaker 3>think we get all three of us can agree he's

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<v Speaker 3>exceeding expectations there. And maybe you're the only person who

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<v Speaker 3>had the hope to see him as good of a

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<v Speaker 3>duel threat as he's been. But in my view, he's

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<v Speaker 3>exceeding expectations on the grounds. He's virtually impossible to sack,

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<v Speaker 3>which is also certainly a credit to the offensive line,

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<v Speaker 3>and over the last five weeks he's been almost impossible

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<v Speaker 3>to intercept. He's caught some breaks. So you look at

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<v Speaker 3>just the one interception over the five, that could have

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<v Speaker 3>been a few thrown in there. But overall, there's a clean,

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<v Speaker 3>a clean play of football that we've seen over the

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<v Speaker 3>last five games. And if that's a sign of things

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<v Speaker 3>to come, I think Broncos country has something to be

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<v Speaker 2>What do you make.

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<v Speaker 4>Of what we saw last Thursday and what I mean

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<v Speaker 4>by that to put it in context, We saw some

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<v Speaker 4>have been seen, I mean this year, well we didn't

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<v Speaker 4>even see last year but Russell Wilson. But it made

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<v Speaker 4>the offense a little more creative and it also open

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<v Speaker 4>up the field for Bow to make play. So once again,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, what did you see or what do you

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<v Speaker 4>think led to that kind of creativity that we haven't

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he's he's explosive, a different style of runner than

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<v Speaker 3>Tim Tebow. But imagine if Tim Tebow had the pass

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<v Speaker 3>accuracy to complete some difficult passes. That is a lot

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<v Speaker 3>more explosive than I think people gave him credit for.

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<v Speaker 3>In his second to last year of college football, he

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<v Speaker 3>led all of the NCAA in terms of the quarterback

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<v Speaker 3>position of Russian touchdowns. To believe he had fourteen. So

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<v Speaker 3>we shouldn't be as shocked as we are to see

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<v Speaker 3>that he leaves the league in rushing touchdowns. So far

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<v Speaker 3>he leads the league, rather leave the Broncos in rushing touchdowns.

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<v Speaker 3>For three he's averaged five point four yards per carry,

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<v Speaker 3>that's number one on the team. His success percentage running

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<v Speaker 3>is fifty five point three percent, that's the best on

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<v Speaker 3>the team. So certainly it's going to open up paints

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<v Speaker 3>for the passing game. It's really the passing game where

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<v Speaker 3>we need to see him develop. So as great as

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<v Speaker 3>it is to see that he's avoiding facts and avoiding picks,

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<v Speaker 3>at some point he's going to have to put the

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<v Speaker 3>team on his shoulders. Having a defensive dominants what we've

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<v Speaker 3>Think of what Mark Sanchez got to work with in

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<v Speaker 3>his first two years in the league. And certainly hope

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<v Speaker 3>that Bow ends up a better quarterback than Mark Sanchez.

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<v Speaker 3>But what's going to happen when he has to throw

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<v Speaker 3>thirty five or forty times a game and actually carry

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<v Speaker 3>the team remains to be seen. Because it wasn't pretty

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<v Speaker 3>at the beginning of the year when he was throwing.

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<v Speaker 2>One designed quarterback keep running left side.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a block from boles Nick is free instead of

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<v Speaker 5>twenty five to twenty. He stumbles, he's inside of ten,

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<v Speaker 5>He's hit from behind and knocked to the turf inside

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<v Speaker 5>the five. That was a designed run and a run

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<v Speaker 5>of thirty three yards for bow Nicks.

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<v Speaker 1>Always love Dave Logan on the call, there Odix on

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<v Speaker 1>the scramble. Talking with Ryan Michael at the Ryan Michael

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter contribute to the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the Broncos do beat Carolinas, we kind of

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<v Speaker 1>expect do they have a realistic shot at competing for

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's possible. Obviously, it's going to depend completely

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<v Speaker 3>upon how the other teams in the AFC play, and

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<v Speaker 3>the AFC is obviously a tough conference to be a

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<v Speaker 3>part of. So I think as Broncos fans, we should

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<v Speaker 3>temper our expectations because at four and three we're already

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<v Speaker 3>exceeding them. If we're fortunate enough to win that fifth

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<v Speaker 3>game next week, we would continue to be exceeding that.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, the Panthers defense is dead last in

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<v Speaker 3>the NFL. They're giving up thirty four point seven points

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<v Speaker 3>per game, and they're just atrocious through the air and

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<v Speaker 3>on the ground. The average passer rating against that Panthers

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<v Speaker 3>defense is one hundred and eleven point eight. They're also

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<v Speaker 3>dead last in the league and rushing yards and rushing

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<v Speaker 3>touchdown surrendered to giving up one sixty two point one

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<v Speaker 3>yards in thirteen rushing touchdowns. So whether Bose beating them

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<v Speaker 3>with his arms or his legs, this might be an

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<v Speaker 3>opportunity if we put some points on the board early

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<v Speaker 3>in the game for him to test his limits and

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<v Speaker 3>kind of see what he can do in a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit more of a comfortable atmosphere. Playoffs, it's possible. The

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<v Speaker 3>old cliche taking it one week at a time, I

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think about what we saw last Thursday?

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<v Speaker 4>Because I like to go back to that because Javonte

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<v Speaker 4>Williams and he's been really criticized early on the early

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<v Speaker 4>part of the season because most people didn't think that

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<v Speaker 4>he was bouncing back the way they wanted him to.

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<v Speaker 4>And you go back to that Jets game and then

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<v Speaker 4>and I sat there and once that Jets game and

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<v Speaker 4>it looked like Tayler but Dave was going to be

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<v Speaker 4>the guy, but he was moved out. Javonte is getting

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<v Speaker 4>more carries. Do you think that this part of the

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<v Speaker 4>game for the Broncos and how they ran against the Saints,

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<v Speaker 4>do you think that is sustainable?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we put up two hundred and twenty five

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<v Speaker 3>rushing yards against the Saints, So you certainly can't expect

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<v Speaker 3>that every week. Your quarterback's not going to run for

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<v Speaker 3>seventy five yards himself every week. But Savante had a

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<v Speaker 3>heck of a game eighty eight yards on the ground,

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<v Speaker 3>two touchdowns that he caught all three of the passes

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<v Speaker 3>that were sure on his way. So you know, those

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<v Speaker 3>are lofty expectations, neck But I think as Javante continues

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<v Speaker 3>to return to one hundred percent health and get his

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<v Speaker 3>between the rushing and the passing game, which bo is

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<v Speaker 3>evolving as a passard, it's going to open up to run.

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<v Speaker 3>So we just have to continue to play complimentary football.

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<v Speaker 1>Are Ryan. We're almost at the midway point in the

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<v Speaker 1>season here. What's been your biggest surprise, What's been your

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<v Speaker 1>biggest disappointment thus far?

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<v Speaker 3>That's a tough one. I mean, I would say the

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<v Speaker 3>biggest disappointment for me would be the lows that Bow

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<v Speaker 3>they hid early in the year. I didn't expect seeing that,

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, for all of the positives that I'm mentioning,

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<v Speaker 3>they're not necessarily the positives that I was expecting, certainly

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<v Speaker 3>production on the ground. So it's kind of a mixed

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<v Speaker 3>bag when I take a look at where he is

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<v Speaker 3>seven games into his NFL career. You know, as far

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<v Speaker 3>as a disappointment, I would say that I wish that

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<v Speaker 3>we got more production in terms of yards after the

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<v Speaker 3>catch and yards after contact from some of our receivers.

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<v Speaker 3>I understand our offenses and structure to be that kind

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<v Speaker 3>of animal, but at the same time, I don't see

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<v Speaker 3>is in their hands, So I think there's a room

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<v Speaker 3>to improve in that regard. And part of that's on

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<v Speaker 3>the quarterback too. I mean, if you see it and

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<v Speaker 3>throw it kind of guy I receive, it's going to

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<v Speaker 3>get tackled, not really facilitating yards after the catch opportunity.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's really just a matter of you know, working

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<v Speaker 3>out there's kings and fleshing out the offense to be

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan, we we appreciate the time has always got to

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<v Speaker 1>hit a break here man, But looking forward to what

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<v Speaker 1>you're cooking up for us after this hopeful Panthers victory.

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<v Speaker 1>Victory over the Panthers, I should say, Ryan Michael, let

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<v Speaker 1>you Ryan Michael on Twitter, contributor at the Pro Football

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<v Speaker 1>Hall of Fame, always deep diving into the data for

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<v Speaker 1>us