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Speaker 2: I want to welcome Ben Rosenberg.
Speaker 1: He is a holistic psychologist with extensive experience in life, death, business,
Speaker 1: and coaching people through difficult mental, physical, and spiritual duress.
Speaker 1: He uses a different approach to mental well being and
Speaker 1: physical standing. His passion is helping people free themselves from
Speaker 1: the mental stresses and strains of everyday life by guiding
Speaker 1: and teaching them to know themselves.
Speaker 2: Ben. Welcome, How you doing, Chris?
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me on. Excellent, Thank you, how
Speaker 3: are you?
Speaker 1: I'm excellent man. Thank you so much for coming on,
Speaker 1: and thank you for being flexible with the date. I
Speaker 1: love what you're doing and you were highly recommended by
Speaker 1: our friend Brandon Thomas. Thanks again, Brandon. You're aa yeah,
Speaker 1: you're a holistic psychologist and you're helping people discover what
Speaker 1: we call their soul, our true selves.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately in this spiritual community, there are those that are
Speaker 1: seeking either notoriety, money and everything except genuinely helping people.
Speaker 1: And you have a much different approach to what even
Speaker 1: what we even consider is spirituality. And I can't wait
Speaker 1: to get into your perception of what we call reality,
Speaker 1: how this matrix works, and what we're really doing here.
Speaker 1: But I think a good place to start would be
Speaker 1: more about yourself, your background and what led you down
Speaker 1: your path.
Speaker 4: Great, Chris, I think that's that's a fantastic way to
Speaker 4: start it, and some very logical questions, which is really
Speaker 4: key at the moment now.
Speaker 3: And this is the balance.
Speaker 4: This is where inevitably with my clients, with the people
Speaker 4: I help, it is finding.
Speaker 3: That balance with a logical mind.
Speaker 4: Because the mind is logical and we're always looking for
Speaker 4: for answers to the questions and the soul, and this
Speaker 4: is the mismatch. The soul is not logical, it's a feeling.
Speaker 4: So what we've got we've got a split of duality
Speaker 4: between the brain, which is the thoughts, beliefs, programming, trauma,
Speaker 4: you name it, memories, and then we've got love, which
Speaker 4: is who we are, which is fundamentally what.
Speaker 3: The soul is. So excuse me, I've got a bloody
Speaker 3: jobstick burning in the background this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So how did I get into it? Well, it
Speaker 4: wasn't planned.
Speaker 3: First of all.
Speaker 4: Everything I talk about on my social media and just
Speaker 4: to let you know, I've been bounded on TikTok six times,
Speaker 4: removed off Twitter.
Speaker 1: That means you're doing something right.
Speaker 3: Well you'd like to think so right? If not, I'm
Speaker 3: pissing in the wind. You know. An excuse my language, sorry,
Speaker 3: but no, everything I talk about is from experience. You know.
Speaker 4: I don't just wake up one day and say, hey,
Speaker 4: do you know what, let's blow a hole in this
Speaker 4: belief system or this program.
Speaker 3: It's it's been quite systemic, and whether it's been through.
Speaker 4: Addiction and addiction or belief systems, programming, trauma. Because ultimately
Speaker 4: it's about you, Chris, it's about me as individuals.
Speaker 3: It doesn't really matter what the fuck is going on
Speaker 3: that side. In the world. It's about you.
Speaker 4: And this is what I try and instill into others
Speaker 4: is that don't worry about it, because this whole illusion
Speaker 4: is about energy and it's about taking it's controlling us
Speaker 4: and leading us down in the merry path of bullshit.
Speaker 1: Right now, have you arians any anything profound to lead you,
Speaker 1: to help lead you down the path you're on, help
Speaker 1: kind of light a fire under your your spiritual awareness?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, great question. Okay, First of all, I went
Speaker 4: to a very I was indoctrinated into a very Christian school,
Speaker 4: so I kind of religion.
Speaker 3: It never felt right. I mean, as a kid, you
Speaker 3: go into a church and you just think, fucking hell,
Speaker 3: this is weird. I don't like this.
Speaker 1: You grew up Catholic, so I got it. Yeah, oh dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah right.
Speaker 4: And you know it's like you can talk about the
Speaker 4: priests and shit like that, but that's just another rabbit hole.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: But so having gone through that kind of sp that
Speaker 4: Christianity thing, knowing it was fundamentally a big pile of
Speaker 4: bullshit because it didn't feel like it just felt like control.
Speaker 4: But I was always quite obsessed with the paranormal as
Speaker 4: a youngster, you know, the X Files, Chris Carlaton very much.
Speaker 4: He got to a lot of us, didn't you know.
Speaker 4: So there was always that underpinning question which just niggles
Speaker 4: away at the psyche is what is what is real?
Speaker 4: What is reality? So leading answer your questions. Sorry, I'm
Speaker 4: a bit of a merry go around here. But when
Speaker 4: I was twenty I got in touch with them, a
Speaker 4: company called Most Haunted and Most Haunted they are a
Speaker 4: paranormal investigation group that televised it throughout the UK.
Speaker 3: And because the place I.
Speaker 4: Was working at the time, my family's hotel, is an
Speaker 4: old ten entry manor.
Speaker 3: House, I got a lot of history and there was
Speaker 3: a lot of reports of ghosts. So my step into
Speaker 3: spirituality isn't all the love and light and chakras and
Speaker 3: all this crap that we're seeing at the moment. It
Speaker 3: was how spirits.
Speaker 4: The fundamental core value of spirituality in respect communicating with
Speaker 4: the dead. So Most Haunted they sent out a group
Speaker 4: of investigators just to do a preliminary check. And their
Speaker 4: initial response was, you know, we're too busy, We've done
Speaker 4: their locations, but you know.
Speaker 3: We'll come and have a look and you know hear
Speaker 3: you anyway, So the first experience that I had.
Speaker 4: This medium and this parapsychologist came out and they did
Speaker 4: this investigation for a few hours.
Speaker 3: Round property and would you believe fuck all happened? Right?
Speaker 3: No activity? You know, you're like, come on, guys, don
Speaker 3: ghosts do something.
Speaker 4: And this little twenty twenty year old me bit naive,
Speaker 4: and the psychic says, right, okay, let's them do a
Speaker 4: seance in the oldest part of the building.
Speaker 3: So we do this, and all I can say is
Speaker 3: is the most prominent experience that I've ever had in
Speaker 3: my life. So we're doing the seance and parapsychologists was
Speaker 3: there as well, and obviously he's very logical. He's looking
Speaker 3: for reasons like oh, there's a window that's opened, or
Speaker 3: the pipes creaking. And we start going into this seance
Speaker 3: and the next thing I know, this huge blue orb
Speaker 3: like a ball.
Speaker 4: Comes up passed through me. On doing so, I came
Speaker 4: out of body, right, My spirit, which is the electrical body,
Speaker 4: came out and I was standing on my shoulder by
Speaker 4: here looking down at myself, at which point my face
Speaker 4: had transfigured into this guy with a beard.
Speaker 3: Right now, dude, this is where it gets really interesting.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: It's because all that you can hear when you're out
Speaker 4: of body like that is this electrical kind of staticky interference.
Speaker 3: And as I'm theiving.
Speaker 4: Receiving from outside of the body, that the psychic parapsychologists,
Speaker 4: who were both both about fifty years of age at
Speaker 4: the time, they're conversing with me, who's not me but
Speaker 4: this spirit who has come into my body, and then
Speaker 4: just discussing, talking, talking, talking, and I don't know what's
Speaker 4: going on.
Speaker 3: It felt like an eternity.
Speaker 4: And then probably within about let's say five minutes, I
Speaker 4: came back into body and this blue swirling orb like
Speaker 4: the size of a soccerble just kind of came out
Speaker 4: and just disappeared.
Speaker 1: Then.
Speaker 3: So sorry for the long story, but that was my baptism.
Speaker 1: Now what were was being communicated from this being to
Speaker 1: the others that were there with you.
Speaker 3: Do you know what they can't remember?
Speaker 4: This is the really freaky thing right afterwards. Now, now,
Speaker 4: these two being on numerous location visits, and they both
Speaker 4: said immediately after the hair was all then their eyes
Speaker 4: were like this and they're like, we have never experienced
Speaker 4: anything like that in the last twenty years of doing this.
Speaker 4: I was like okay, because there's me thinking, hey, this
Speaker 4: is normal. They then said there was a direction kind
Speaker 4: of given to them and told to them, but they
Speaker 4: couldn't remember, so it was it was very peculiar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, that's incredible.
Speaker 1: So what ultimately, you know, led you to get into
Speaker 1: what you consider psychology In holistic psychology.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, okay, no, no, no, no problem.
Speaker 4: And well everything is divided in concris you know, like
Speaker 4: people will go and see a shrink and that shrink
Speaker 4: will just you know, kind of go through the run
Speaker 4: of the middle of the stuff and just say, look,
Speaker 4: you know, come back for another session, come back from
Speaker 4: another session.
Speaker 3: And more to the point, they're trained.
Speaker 4: Within the cys them, right, So they're never going to
Speaker 4: help people perceive outside of that box because they're trained
Speaker 4: within the box. So the holistic side then is probably
Speaker 4: more of a natural, organic approach to it as opposed
Speaker 4: to going through you know, the system.
Speaker 1: Let's say, could you explain a little bit for the
Speaker 1: audience that maybe may not be familiar with it. What
Speaker 1: what does this entail in holistic psychology?
Speaker 3: Okay, well, I suppose you could. You could call.
Speaker 4: It it's healing people's minds, helping heap people's beef systems programs.
Speaker 4: And this is across the whole board, whether it's business relationships, god,
Speaker 4: gnostic stuff, agnostic stuff, whatever it might be, it's all
Speaker 4: compartmentalizing people's minds.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: So fundamentally, what that's doing, Chris, is taking people's power,
Speaker 4: their energy, the belief systems away from themselves. So what
Speaker 4: I'm doing is helping people reroot this energy back in
Speaker 4: themselves into believing in themselves.
Speaker 1: Now, when we're looking at when you're talking.
Speaker 2: About our true selves are our soul? What is it?
Speaker 1: What is your understanding of this? My current understanding, which
Speaker 1: could change at any time, is that we're all part
Speaker 1: of this one energy source that has kind of fractalized
Speaker 1: and become an infinite number of smaller consciousness from this
Speaker 1: main source consciousness. Would you agree with that overall analysis
Speaker 1: of it?
Speaker 3: Do you know what I would?
Speaker 4: I would, and I suppose yeah, Chris, absolutely yes, in
Speaker 4: respects of where we are now and what's actually being
Speaker 4: projected at two different things. Now, this system works on copying, right,
Speaker 4: It's like a mimic. Did you ever see John Carpenter's
Speaker 4: The Thing?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, okay, so that thing mimics people. Yeah, the
Speaker 3: thing mimics people.
Speaker 4: So single cell organism which copies people think of that system,
Speaker 4: imagine that, but on the huge scale of everything. So
Speaker 4: let's say Chris, you, for example, your soul who you
Speaker 4: are authentically.
Speaker 3: Underneath within you.
Speaker 4: Chris's spirit is this electrical copy of you, right, So
Speaker 4: you're like, yeah, you're like that copy of your physical body.
Speaker 3: So when you die, you know, I'm not wishing it
Speaker 3: upon you crytical of course, but when you die, Chris,
Speaker 3: the physical is buried or cremated, Chris, the spirit and
Speaker 3: consciousness goes into a different spectrum of light. Chris, the
Speaker 3: soul gets taken away completely with different location. So it's
Speaker 3: like almost like a three way system.
Speaker 4: So you coming into body, you then copied, and then
Speaker 4: that copy goes into a recycling bin, let's call it,
Speaker 4: which is just a different spectrum of light where all
Speaker 4: these spirits of different embodiments exist.
Speaker 1: We're kind of looking at the nature of reality and
Speaker 1: what this is and what we're doing here. Let's go
Speaker 1: over two basic overall ideas of what this could possibly
Speaker 1: be about. One is that this what we call reality
Speaker 1: is for us. It's it's for us to grow, for
Speaker 1: our consciousness to evolve to us, for us to evolve
Speaker 1: spiritually and gain a better understanding and self awareness, and
Speaker 1: the other is that, but it's been hijacked by something
Speaker 1: more malevolent to try and keep us from finding out
Speaker 1: these things about ourselves and who we are and what
Speaker 1: we're doing here. What is your idea of what this is,
Speaker 1: what this reality is?
Speaker 3: Okay? Right?
Speaker 4: Let the whole evolved thing is in the way I
Speaker 4: perceive this and the way I feel it is. The
Speaker 4: whole evolve context is the machine, right, So machines evolve. Now,
Speaker 4: your soul, my soul. Everyone's souls come from the creator.
Speaker 4: The creator is perfect as far as the form, the soul,
Speaker 4: the energy, So the soul is perfect. It never needed
Speaker 4: to evolve. But you see what happens that soul comes
Speaker 4: into body. Now, if we didn't have all this programming,
Speaker 4: all this trauma, you know, unlet's look at kids, the
Speaker 4: patterning with children that are abused. All this nasty shit
Speaker 4: happens when we're young, and that's all I design. Right,
Speaker 4: So we then turn out to be serial killers, rapists, murderers,
Speaker 4: whatever it might be. Not that I'm saying that we are,
Speaker 4: but you know, on the biggest spec so those impressions
Speaker 4: left on us as children define us to become part
Speaker 4: of this system abused terrorists, so abuse people, abuse people.
Speaker 4: But if you can wipe that away and just try
Speaker 4: and envisage you, Now this is the really difficult part,
Speaker 4: is envisage your world where trauma, all this horror programming,
Speaker 4: it never existed. We would still grow up to be
Speaker 4: these pure, amazing beings, you know, from from the source,
Speaker 4: which is you know, inside of us. So yeah, as
Speaker 4: far as you say, yeah, it got hijacked, my perception
Speaker 4: of reality is that a long time ago, I'm talking
Speaker 4: pre Maria, you know, a long long time ago, we
Speaker 4: had this system. It was a sol system, not so
Speaker 4: larst system, but a soul system which we would come
Speaker 4: in and experience love in the physical. But somewhere along
Speaker 4: the line it became hijacked, and that hijacking, this this
Speaker 4: the thing mimicking started to take over. And that's the
Speaker 4: feeling like it is that's been going on for a
Speaker 4: very very long time.
Speaker 1: Now. Most of the the individuals in the spiritual community,
Speaker 1: not all of them, but there's there's a large amount
Speaker 1: that believe that duality is necessary, that all the evil
Speaker 1: that we're facing right now in the most disgusting stuff
Speaker 1: is something we chose to incarnate into and all is
Speaker 1: part of our growing experience, which you know, it's all
Speaker 1: a consideration to me. I don't you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: really going to be set in any certain belief system
Speaker 1: because I have no idea. But I want to get
Speaker 1: your thoughts on when you know people in the spiritual
Speaker 1: community are saying that it's all kind of pre planned,
Speaker 1: we chose these paths.
Speaker 2: What do you think about that?
Speaker 4: No, that's bullshit, bullshit for people to give in, to
Speaker 4: accept and to say, oh, I give into the universe.
Speaker 4: This is fine. You know, I'll let this happen to me.
Speaker 4: Do you honestly not you, but I mean, anybody watched.
Speaker 4: Do you honestly believe that you signed up to get molested,
Speaker 4: to get raped, to go into slavery, to what your
Speaker 4: family die? You know, it doesn't make sense. You know
Speaker 4: that there's nothing loving or nurturing within that experience. It's
Speaker 4: just trauma after trauma.
Speaker 1: Now, when we're talking about these people in certain aspects
Speaker 1: of the spiritual community that are I guess we could
Speaker 1: say channelers, and they they're seemingly getting information from other
Speaker 1: places other than themselves, and it's profound information and it's
Speaker 1: to you know, enlighten humanity and help humanity. But they
Speaker 1: have these ideas, like we were just talking about, do
Speaker 1: you think that they're actually channeling something that just may
Speaker 1: not have our best interest in mind? And this seems
Speaker 1: to be going on on a very large scale.
Speaker 3: Big time, big timekers.
Speaker 4: So and let's take let's take this back to consciousness,
Speaker 4: Chris m Consciousness is They've done numerous studies on it,
Speaker 4: and what they found is that and I haven't probably
Speaker 4: talked about this on branding show as well, is that
Speaker 4: consciousness is electromagnetic. So we live in with this electromagnetic dome,
Speaker 4: this this illusion, this system and consciousness is ultimately a
Speaker 4: form of control, like the borg. Yeah, I've starting so
Speaker 4: everybody becomes part of the borg. And if you look
Speaker 4: watch channelers, they all pretty much say the same stuff.
Speaker 4: It's it's all very repetitive. It's like, oh, oh, loved ones,
Speaker 4: dear loved ones, we are coming be blessed in the
Speaker 4: time knowing that, you know, and I could just I
Speaker 4: think I could just make up any ship now and
Speaker 4: just say I channeled it, you know. But it's the
Speaker 4: same thing again, it's taking people's power away from themselves,
Speaker 4: because we have the power as individuals, you know. But
Speaker 4: people say, oh no, no, no, no, no, it's all good.
Speaker 3: Thedens have got this, and the analogons have got this,
Speaker 3: you know, and archangel Michael he's coming, you know, it's
Speaker 3: all good, dude. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now do you think what this is that that was
Speaker 1: originally hijacked was like you said, it was something for
Speaker 1: us originally to just be able to experience physical love
Speaker 1: that we could incarnate into.
Speaker 2: Is that what you were saying?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, pretty much, because obviously when we're out of form,
Speaker 4: you know, you can't hug somebody, can't make love with somebody,
Speaker 4: you can't kiss, touch, experience maybe being a different animal.
Speaker 4: Now I'm okay, imagine being an elephant. Okay, choosing to
Speaker 4: be an elephant, but not with the modern day of
Speaker 4: hunting and you know, tusk herding or not, so you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. Yeah, So seriencing that physicality within
Speaker 4: a different embodiment, Yeah, very much.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: Now, all the information that you're sharing and today and
Speaker 1: that you've been sharing with people, is this something that you,
Speaker 1: I guess would say, had a download about. Was it
Speaker 1: from meditation, research or combination. Where would you say all
Speaker 1: this knowing comes from about who we are and what
Speaker 1: we're doing here?
Speaker 4: Okay, well look, do you know what the biggest question
Speaker 4: I get is source?
Speaker 3: Trust me? Bro? Yeah, And do you know what?
Speaker 4: I can bleet on as much as I want people,
Speaker 4: And it's down to people whether they want to feel.
Speaker 4: And this is the real big difference, Chris, is that
Speaker 4: I don't channel, I don't meditate, I don't do any
Speaker 4: of the spiritual practices. Yes, I used to research, right.
Speaker 4: I spent a lot of time doing the research and
Speaker 4: the spiritual stuff. But when I stopped smoking weed, right,
Speaker 4: And this is for me, this is the this is
Speaker 4: the jackpot I stopped smoking with after twenty years waking
Speaker 4: and baking.
Speaker 3: And everything. I just heard my song.
Speaker 4: I felt myself and my soul was like, thank you,
Speaker 4: thank you, We're back. And since then it's just been
Speaker 4: like that. And I've just been pretty much a sledgehammer.
Speaker 4: It's just a pull from my heart my mind.
Speaker 2: That's it very interesting.
Speaker 1: Now I want to get into the what has hijacked
Speaker 1: our reality? What is it something that we would consider
Speaker 1: as demonic or archons or artificial intelligence? What are we
Speaker 1: looking at when we're looking at these entities.
Speaker 4: Well, so the whole illusion that we live in is electromagnetic.
Speaker 4: Let's say God and say of the same thing, okay,
Speaker 4: And this is the duality. This is the good and
Speaker 4: bad duality that we have been insected with. Like you know,
Speaker 4: when we used to watch Tom and Jerry or cartoons
Speaker 4: as kids, right, they'd always be the devil and the
Speaker 4: angel come up, right, So immediately from birth it's kind
Speaker 4: of in and then you go to church and then
Speaker 4: it's bashed into that demons and angels and.
Speaker 3: Good and bad. The whole duality black and white. Black
Speaker 3: and white is Masonic, right, that is the Mason's coloring.
Speaker 3: So the whole duality illusion, Teather's in with an agenda
Speaker 3: which has been forming for a two thousand years probably longer.
Speaker 4: So we're going back to your point about these entities. Well, right,
Speaker 4: so now that we know that.
Speaker 3: Consciousness is is basically like an artificial signal, which isn't
Speaker 3: necessarily your soul. It's AI. Let's call it AI.
Speaker 4: But it's always been broadcasting and it's been here the
Speaker 4: whole time, working.
Speaker 3: Through our minds. Now, how many people out there talk
Speaker 3: shit about themselves. They look at the moon like that, Fuck,
Speaker 3: I'm a loser. I hate myself this that. Why would
Speaker 3: you say that about yourself? Nobody would in their right mind.
Speaker 4: And then the little monkeys start playing in the head saying, oh,
Speaker 4: you're not good enough, you're this, you're that. That's not you,
Speaker 4: that's not any of us, that's the system trying to
Speaker 4: keep us very much kind of daunting us.
Speaker 1: Or these were we would consider physical entities in any
Speaker 1: any reality or on any spectrum. Or is this pure
Speaker 1: electromagnetic energy that we're dealing with.
Speaker 4: Honestly, there's probably a combination of a couple actually, Chris,
Speaker 4: majority of programs, right, So we call the electromagnetic frequencies
Speaker 4: just like what you were saying, but think of them
Speaker 4: as far as programs. So so like somebody says, oh
Speaker 4: I channeled in you know Ali Baba or some spiritualistic
Speaker 4: first of all, how do you know? And this is
Speaker 4: this is the point I always get to with channelis
Speaker 4: they've got nothing to confirm who they are communicating with.
Speaker 4: And this is the very fine line between as a media,
Speaker 4: when you communicate with a past one, you will have
Speaker 4: some point of reference to say, look, you know uncle
Speaker 4: Johnny died and he gave you his Rolex watch and
Speaker 4: the two were stuck up backwards, so we know it
Speaker 4: was a knockoff Rolex and you had a.
Speaker 3: Good joke about it.
Speaker 4: And the client can say yeah, fuck, actually, yeah that's right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: look at it. I'm even watching it now, so I'm
Speaker 4: wearing it now. So you've got that confirmation of something
Speaker 4: that has passed because they can bring it back into
Speaker 4: physical and say, yeah, this happened. But when people start
Speaker 4: saying Archangel Gabriel or the Pleadiens or the Andromedins or
Speaker 4: fucking whatever faction, that is source trust me, bro, you know.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I've had my own what I want. It's
Speaker 1: considered extraterrestrial contact, then understood as spirit guides or higher self,
Speaker 1: and now you know, I'm kind of considering it all
Speaker 1: my higher self for all part of me guiding myself.
Speaker 1: And do you think that's across the board with Like
Speaker 1: all paranormal experiences, they seem to be very personal for
Speaker 1: each person they You know, we don't have many group
Speaker 1: like paranormal experiences. Most of them are, you know, when
Speaker 1: the person's by themselves and they get profound insights from it.
Speaker 1: Usually if it's not something that's bs do you think
Speaker 1: that this is us from outside kind of pushing ourselves
Speaker 1: in a certain direction or communicating.
Speaker 4: And do you know what, Chris, having experienced the things
Speaker 4: that you're talking about as well. And this is the
Speaker 4: really difficult part, is that so when you say higher self,
Speaker 4: when people say higher self, subliminally, what that does to
Speaker 4: the mind and to the psyche is telling you that
Speaker 4: you're not good.
Speaker 3: Enough, you're lower, gotcha, right, So it's suggestive programming, sir.
Speaker 3: If you look back.
Speaker 4: And research who introduced all of these spiritual practices, these
Speaker 4: higher self stuff. Helena Blavatski, Helena, Yeah, familiar with her? Yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 4: Now Blovatski was kind of coincided with crowding at the
Speaker 4: same time, and they both entered creemsonry. Now we're bringing
Speaker 4: the Freemasons, all the narratives which are all starting to
Speaker 4: come to light at the moment. So and then what sorry,
Speaker 4: I will get to the answer that we'll try and
Speaker 4: give you my answer.
Speaker 3: But thanks.
Speaker 4: So if we look at different civilizations, right, we don't
Speaker 4: really know fuck all about different civilizations, only what we're told.
Speaker 4: So what I base my pretense on is that all
Speaker 4: those different civilizations had a repeating pattern that we are
Speaker 4: going through in this civilization. And what's happening is Helena Blovatski. Okay,
Speaker 4: she's gone over and become a mystic from India, and
Speaker 4: she's brought all that stuff over from the Sanskrit whatever.
Speaker 4: But that was still a system of control with gods
Speaker 4: and goddesses and deities. So it's it's been pulled across
Speaker 4: again for another element of control.
Speaker 3: So the self thing.
Speaker 4: I used to tryl to my higher self as well,
Speaker 4: but bad shit happened in my life, really bad shit,
Speaker 4: you know, a whole host of things. And when I
Speaker 4: started disconnecting from that and actually rerooting it back in me,
Speaker 4: good things started to happen.
Speaker 3: So answering the question, Chris, they are personal each of us.
Speaker 3: It is a journey.
Speaker 4: The hardest part is breaking through that personal experience and
Speaker 4: actually saying, do you know what, maybe that personal experience, Okay,
Speaker 4: it was quite weird and exciting in many respects, but
Speaker 4: maybe it wasn't good for me or my mental health
Speaker 4: or whatever it might be.
Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned the times freemasons. Now I'm of
Speaker 1: the mind that there are high level if you want
Speaker 1: to call them secret societies, groups that do control our
Speaker 1: perception in many ways. I don't know if the lower
Speaker 1: levels work, or if the lower levels even know that
Speaker 1: the higher levels exist, and if it's all compartmentalized. But
Speaker 1: do you think that there are indeed controllers of our
Speaker 1: reality that may have associations with what we would consider
Speaker 1: secret societies.
Speaker 3: Without a shadow of goodall? Absolutely, I'll be more.
Speaker 4: Than happy to send you This is something which was
Speaker 4: written back in nineteen ninety five, and it's this particular
Speaker 4: and I'll send you the link and if you want
Speaker 4: to leave it, maybe a few viewers as well in
Speaker 4: the comments. But if you just read this entire page. Now,
Speaker 4: I went through this probably about six seven years ago
Speaker 4: and didn't pay any attention to it, and it popped
Speaker 4: up a few days ago because I think I bookmarked
Speaker 4: it somewhere. I was like, what's this at it? And
Speaker 4: I was like, holy shit, everything we are seeing at
Speaker 4: the moment was not I'm not saying predicted, was actually
Speaker 4: said back back here. So yeah, to answer your question, yeah,
Speaker 4: there are secret societies that we don't even know anything
Speaker 4: about as well, because it's not very secret if we
Speaker 4: know about.
Speaker 3: And they all interweave.
Speaker 4: So whether it's illuminaty masonry, the green dragons, the white dragons,
Speaker 4: whatever they might, they all interlink and they've all got
Speaker 4: one agenda, and that agenda is controlled. But like you said,
Speaker 4: they're compartmentalized. So the lower lower memberment was maybe I'm
Speaker 4: not o FA or familiar with what the true agenda is.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, there's definitely what we consider layers and
Speaker 1: layers of reality and programming going on here. First of all,
Speaker 1: is there a way to completely break free from what
Speaker 1: we're considering this kind of trapped reality that we're in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my wholehearted feeling is that yes we can, and
Speaker 4: I've come.
Speaker 3: Up to that by.
Speaker 4: My soul is quite adamant in this and respects that
Speaker 4: by taking back our authentic state, who we truly are, right,
Speaker 4: and that is even though I'm forty now, it's just
Speaker 4: to be that kid that I was, the authentic state.
Speaker 4: If we are that much of a threat as children, right,
Speaker 4: because we're untapped, because we're not conformed to the system,
Speaker 4: because we're not program traumatized, we get back to that
Speaker 4: state of being, and that state of being is that
Speaker 4: pure soul because everything is is energy, right, So by
Speaker 4: us taking back the love that we are. It's the magnetism.
Speaker 4: And now, if we want to strip everything right back
Speaker 4: to what this is about, it's about electricity versus magnetism. Magnetism,
Speaker 4: so to swing it, we get more magnetic and we
Speaker 4: function it up.
Speaker 1: What do you think is happening when we experience things
Speaker 1: like synchronicity or what some considered manifestation where we're just
Speaker 1: kind of thinking about things and acting in a positive
Speaker 1: manner and living our lives accordingly, and you know, wonderful
Speaker 1: things seemingly happen.
Speaker 3: So there's no such thing as coincidence, right, And I
Speaker 3: believe that. I believe that.
Speaker 4: However, we are in a time where we know full
Speaker 4: well that the technology that we have right on the
Speaker 4: surface planet surface, the tech that we have is miles behind.
Speaker 3: Are you still there, Chris.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm here.
Speaker 2: Can you hear me?
Speaker 3: Interesting?
Speaker 1: Hello?
Speaker 2: Can you hear me?
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's me with you? It's frozen
Speaker 3: up right? Sorry? Cool?
Speaker 4: Okay, So we on the on the planet, on the surface,
Speaker 4: we we have technology which is way way behind what
Speaker 4: we know exists. So if we can quantify or take
Speaker 4: ourselves out of the bubble and just is there not
Speaker 4: a way that we could actually be be manipulated by
Speaker 4: technology in order for us to see stuff, you know,
Speaker 4: and if there's that many numbers that we're in this
Speaker 4: closed roop system that we're now starting to pay attention
Speaker 4: to double one, double one, double two, double two, whatever,
Speaker 4: But now it's to question it.
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, what do you think that that is? When
Speaker 1: you know, just you mentioned numbers as an example, is
Speaker 1: that basically seeing through the programming and you know, whenever
Speaker 1: you get more and more you kind of means that
Speaker 1: you're becoming more aware of the hidden reality.
Speaker 3: Yes, and it becomes an obsession. Right, how many people? Okay,
Speaker 3: so you've met a few people that are obsessed with them?
Speaker 3: Oh my angel number is this?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: And look, I'm not criticizing, right, having been there myself.
Speaker 4: It's another layer of control of the mind because then
Speaker 4: you've become obsessive with looking for these synchronicities and then
Speaker 4: you see them all well it just happened, but and
Speaker 4: then it takes over your life. Numbers you like, look
Speaker 4: at these numbers, You're like, who the fuck cares?
Speaker 3: They're just numbers. Yeah, that's a bit cynical with me.
Speaker 1: Sorry, No, it's all good. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love getting understanding of this stuff.
Speaker 1: That's h you know, I love your perception of this
Speaker 1: And I think that we need more people thinking like
Speaker 1: this instead of the traditional spiritual camps that really get
Speaker 1: us aware and have gotten us nowhere since the beginning
Speaker 1: of time. And like you said, it all seems to
Speaker 1: be just in version of reality, spiritual traps things to
Speaker 1: keep us thinking and going within, which is the probably
Speaker 1: most important thing that we could be doing. And you
Speaker 1: mentioned the the the hidden programs we have running. I
Speaker 1: want to get into that, uh, to deep program ourselves.
Speaker 1: Like I said, there's layers and layers. What do you
Speaker 1: think is some of the first layers of programming we
Speaker 1: should be starting to look at when we're kind of
Speaker 1: just waking up.
Speaker 3: You know, wow, that's a great question, man. That is
Speaker 3: it's deep because each of us, just like you said before,
Speaker 3: we've all got our individual experiences which kind of lead
Speaker 3: us to this pinnacle week now of awakening. So it's
Speaker 3: it's really difficult.
Speaker 4: Some people, they could have been really he heavily indoctrinated
Speaker 4: through Christianity, Catholicism, Jewish, whatever it might be. That is
Speaker 4: probably the biggest one in America, I think for you
Speaker 4: folks over there, because it is so well and it's
Speaker 4: more man.
Speaker 3: It's an as you name it. You guys have got
Speaker 3: so much to contend with over there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, that I think it predates that as well.
Speaker 4: Looking at family trauma, family trauma is very real, neglect,
Speaker 4: you name it, a whole host of different stages.
Speaker 1: Now what do you where do you recommend people to
Speaker 1: start when they're like I said, when they're just awakening things.
Speaker 1: I remember it was very difficult for me. I lost
Speaker 1: a lot of friends and family members because you know,
Speaker 1: I thought that I had to tell everybody things I
Speaker 1: was learning and every the world needed to know, but
Speaker 1: really no one was ready to hear any of it.
Speaker 1: But what could you recommend for people who are just
Speaker 1: learning about the hidden reality that we're in.
Speaker 3: Well, that's that's great.
Speaker 4: And christ you know what, you are one of millions
Speaker 4: that has lost our old friendships on family that probably
Speaker 4: you know, in this kind of bubbling themselves. And what
Speaker 4: I try and promote is is sole to sole connection, right,
Speaker 4: is people reconnecting because that's what we need to do
Speaker 4: because we have all become separated, segregated with all our
Speaker 4: devices and trying to break past that.
Speaker 3: But probably.
Speaker 4: It's really difficult because everything that we know is because
Speaker 4: that's what they want us to know. So are you
Speaker 4: familiar with revelation of the method? H yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: So revelation of the method if you think of it
Speaker 4: like Chinese whispers. Right, So somebody might just learn about
Speaker 4: the reptilians whatever, right, I guess all to trust me grow,
Speaker 4: but the reptilians that site and then before you know it,
Speaker 4: it's creating a domino effect. So they've gone out and
Speaker 4: told that their audience of ten thousand people about these reptilians.
Speaker 3: Those people are thinking about it. They're giving energy to
Speaker 3: this belief system.
Speaker 4: So what I'd said people to observe if you're going
Speaker 4: through an awakening, if you're questioning reality is observed, don't
Speaker 4: necessarily buy into it.
Speaker 3: Stay on the fence and just perceive it.
Speaker 2: And I knew I was doing that for a reason.
Speaker 1: Now what you mentioned thought forms and giving energy to
Speaker 1: two things that we are are constantly running through our minds.
Speaker 1: Do you think that it is possible to manifest something
Speaker 1: into reality kind of physically like an aggrigorb, just by
Speaker 1: giving it constant thought.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm going to twist this.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Chris, I've man I've experienced it,
Speaker 1: so I'm not sure what's going on there, but yeah
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, right, let me reframe this for you. Then, Okay,
Speaker 4: if you conform to the system, right, the system gives
Speaker 4: you a little tap on the head and says, there
Speaker 4: you go. There's this little prize you've manifested. Well done,
Speaker 4: Now keep going. So then right, you see where I'm
Speaker 4: going at. So then you keep feeding the system, the system.
Speaker 3: Gives you a bigger price.
Speaker 4: Well done, or souls are now in trench within this
Speaker 4: this harvest. So I used to build a manifestation years ago.
Speaker 4: I don't give it my power. Now, whatever I get,
Speaker 4: I get because I'm just being me. I'm not putting
Speaker 4: intention into it. I'm just being authentic, you know. But
Speaker 4: yeah I had I had a few manifestation things which
Speaker 4: work for me, you know, seven years ago. But yeah, no,
Speaker 4: not anymore.
Speaker 1: Now. You also talk about reprogramming your mind. Find we
Speaker 1: could get into some basic ways that people can just
Speaker 1: start to reprogram their daily lives and then everything that
Speaker 1: they're doing. Uh, I know that for me, Uh, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's of course an ongoing process. But in the beginning,
Speaker 1: one of the biggest things that I had to to
Speaker 1: break my program is feeling bad about not being part
Speaker 1: of the everyday reality and participating and working and slaving
Speaker 1: like normal people. When I stopped my job and started
Speaker 1: doing this full time, I actually felt bad at times, like, man,
Speaker 1: why I should be out there working and slaving and
Speaker 1: you know, being subjected to crap all day. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think that was one of the hardest things for
Speaker 1: you to get past.
Speaker 2: What do you think about that?
Speaker 1: Yes, I love our slavery, I know.
Speaker 3: Right, it's like so ingraved in it. Get back in
Speaker 3: the mind, yeah, get working. Yeah, it's so is to
Speaker 3: reprogram yourself. And when you reprogramming yourself, it's about you, right,
Speaker 3: fuck anybody else. And I don't mean this in a
Speaker 3: nasty way, but there's nobody in this world Chris that
Speaker 3: will love Chris as much as you can love yourself potentially.
Speaker 4: And I don't mean this from an arrogant way point
Speaker 4: of view or a vanity way. I mean honoring your soul.
Speaker 3: What is the right decision for you? So if people
Speaker 3: do that, that's the one good step for reprogramming self
Speaker 3: is make sure those decisions are not going to go
Speaker 3: out with these people because I know they're not good
Speaker 3: for me, or I'm not going to go to this
Speaker 3: location because it doesn't feel right and for you for example,
Speaker 3: like you know, choosing to do what you're doing and
Speaker 3: not buying into the slave system.
Speaker 4: That's self love. You know you're choosing not to be
Speaker 4: in that slave system. But do you know what the
Speaker 4: chances are, Chris, that it's going to change again for
Speaker 4: you because you get to a certain pinnacle threatle point
Speaker 4: where you feel, hang on, I need to I need
Speaker 4: to change this again because it doesn't feel like you know,
Speaker 4: just just a gut feeling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Man. I you know, I'm constantly and shifting and evolving
Speaker 1: my thoughts. Press was is when I when it comes
Speaker 1: to bettering myself in my spiritual path, I want to
Speaker 1: go back to the perceived reality that we're in and
Speaker 1: the bigger picture of like the the physical and mainstream
Speaker 1: agendas that are being pushed on us.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: The one the like I think is one of the
Speaker 1: biggest ones that people are noticing right now is the
Speaker 1: transhuman agenda and trying to merge humans with machine and
Speaker 1: uh the the eventual uh complete digitalization of people and
Speaker 1: relying on the machine and the system for including our healthcare,
Speaker 1: our survival, our entertainment and you know, to to it'll
Speaker 1: it'll define who we are basically, And I think that's
Speaker 1: one of the the desired outcomes of all of this.
Speaker 1: What do you think about you know, some of those
Speaker 1: engenders going on right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Okay, so again, let me twist this and.
Speaker 1: Throw it back out.
Speaker 4: Okay, So what if all of this ship is a distraction? Right,
Speaker 4: They've thrown money, time and energy at this illusion of transhumanism.
Speaker 4: So people look at me and say, well, what are
Speaker 4: you on about? You know, I've talked about transhumanism before.
Speaker 4: Let's look at Let's look at the cold hard facts,
Speaker 4: like our bones are calcium.
Speaker 3: Right. Calcium is a soft metal.
Speaker 4: Right, So your bones are metal, your nervous system and
Speaker 4: your brain that's electric.
Speaker 3: We are already AI. Okay, So people.
Speaker 4: Are now expecting expecting us to be turned into a
Speaker 4: T one thousand or you know, whenever.
Speaker 3: It might be all liquid, polymetal, all oil.
Speaker 4: But the reality is is that we are already Now.
Speaker 4: People were hate on me for sitting this, but we
Speaker 4: are already these AI. We're in a symbiotic nature. Our
Speaker 4: organic soul is within this AI body. Our thoughts are
Speaker 4: not our thoughts necessarily, so we are already AI. But
Speaker 4: we're being distracted from the reality that we are AI
Speaker 4: to think that we're going to be as transhuman as
Speaker 4: as an agenda.
Speaker 3: Like let's take for example, neuralink neuralinks of distraction. We
Speaker 3: don't need that shit. They can already insect thoughts being
Speaker 3: information into our minds through the different brainwave states, so
Speaker 3: that this is the big distraction. Chris, this is what
Speaker 3: I feel anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a very interesting take.
Speaker 1: Now what do you think about where the other side
Speaker 1: of this is I believe keeping humans in a perpetual
Speaker 1: state of unhealthiness, because that's another thing that I first
Speaker 1: hand experienced is getting myself healthy, eating better, exercising, doing
Speaker 1: things that are better for my body have helped me
Speaker 1: in my overall consciousness development and my spiritual development, and
Speaker 1: it bettered my life as a whole. And this is
Speaker 1: one of the hugest things that keep I believe, keep
Speaker 1: people in a perpetual state of unhealthiness and non awareness
Speaker 1: is the food we're eating and everything that we're subjected
Speaker 1: to and putting in our bodies.
Speaker 4: Right, that's so important. But then you look at it. Okay,
Speaker 4: I can twist this again. So imagine if we never
Speaker 4: really needed sweet.
Speaker 1: I love that, dude, that'd be great. I have so
Speaker 1: much more time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Again, we've been led to believe that we
Speaker 3: need to eat.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: Personally, I fast. I have six on and eighteen off.
Speaker 3: Is that right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I don't eat for eighteen hours a day.
Speaker 4: I'll cram everything within that six hours. I feel great
Speaker 4: from it.
Speaker 3: But actually, if you look at the brain, I just
Speaker 3: take a snapshot of the brain and then the intestines. Okay,
Speaker 3: they look very similar. Right, So eighty percent of our
Speaker 3: brain cells are located in our gut. So when people
Speaker 3: get that gut feeling, right, it's because their brain, their
Speaker 3: true brain is coming.
Speaker 4: From their gut and they're like, oh wow, okay, I'll
Speaker 4: go with that. So only twenty percent apparently, again pinch
Speaker 4: of salt, because this is what.
Speaker 3: We've been told. But in our brain, so.
Speaker 2: What if.
Speaker 4: We have been we have been sold on the pretext
Speaker 4: that the brain is a receiver, right, that receives information.
Speaker 4: What happens if it was always supposed to be a conductor, right,
Speaker 4: so rather than storing the information locally or any information
Speaker 4: that instead it was supposed to conduct straight through us,
Speaker 4: right through our empty bowels and empty intestines. So it's
Speaker 4: like we are conducting the energy therefore able to possibly fly.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 4: Okay, now I know that, and I know I've taken
Speaker 4: it into a different level as far as flying. But
Speaker 4: as a kid, did you believe that you could fly?
Speaker 1: As a kid man, I wanted to fly and I
Speaker 1: had dreams about it all the time.
Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, right, Okay, Now when we're in that dream
Speaker 4: state as kids, we all get hit with that like
Speaker 4: obviously we can that body and we go into the
Speaker 4: astral kind of feels.
Speaker 1: So we all do that.
Speaker 4: But taking it back, I remember not being able to
Speaker 4: fly and being like something's very wrong here.
Speaker 3: This reality isn't right.
Speaker 4: So maybe going back and let's talk like presumaria, what
Speaker 4: we talked about earlier is that let's say back then
Speaker 4: we could fly because we were conducting the magnetism through
Speaker 4: our mind, right, a different system with this magnetism is
Speaker 4: going through our mind through our belly, you know, and
Speaker 4: we never had to eat. So that's kind of something
Speaker 4: which I felt is but sorry, I know I don't
Speaker 4: it from the question, but no, you right in respects
Speaker 4: of eatouthly, it's that is so key important, getting right
Speaker 4: in a sleep, taking time off. Technology is huge as well.
Speaker 4: It's an important one. Most importantly, I think is actually
Speaker 4: being created and your creative part is you know, in
Speaker 4: the bottom of your screen there, dude, you know as
Speaker 4: far as or if you're paying as well.
Speaker 3: Did you paint the way?
Speaker 1: No? Yeah, that was one of my friends that did that.
Speaker 1: Sorry I was muted just now the audience in here,
Speaker 1: but yeah, this painting behind me was from Michael friend,
Speaker 1: Gloria beautiful painting.
Speaker 3: It's it's awesome, really good. Yeah, it's really good.
Speaker 4: But obviously looking at the guitar, that was your creative
Speaker 4: out there, you know, and you obviously thrive from that.
Speaker 4: There's no logic to it. Really, it was just a
Speaker 4: I'm gonna GetUp and jam and and that's what it's about.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, Now, well we're talking about full human potential.
Speaker 1: You were talking about flying. Uh, what are your other
Speaker 1: thoughts on how we could possibly do if we get
Speaker 1: access to all the powers of human consciousness? Of course
Speaker 1: you look at the obvious. We can already there's already
Speaker 1: psychic communication, there's already forms of telekinesis and things that
Speaker 1: we can measure here. How far do you think we
Speaker 1: can go with that?
Speaker 3: Is that really us? And this is the question I'm
Speaker 3: going through out there? Is that really us doing that?
Speaker 4: So as children we were mediums right now this is
Speaker 4: probably again I know I keep reverting back to us
Speaker 4: as children, but that is our purest form. So when
Speaker 4: we're when we're at that state, we don't logically know anything,
Speaker 4: but we feel we sense stuff, right, So we're using
Speaker 4: our different sensory system as opposed to just the brain.
Speaker 4: So when it comes to somebody says they're a medium
Speaker 4: or they're a psychic, I've got a big problem with
Speaker 4: people who say they're a psychic and they can telekinesis
Speaker 4: because for me, that's invasive.
Speaker 3: That is the system.
Speaker 4: Very possibly working through that user, that that form to
Speaker 4: actually infiltrate somebody else's mind. Right, for anybody to come
Speaker 4: into your mind, it's your it's your vessel, it's your vessel,
Speaker 4: it's nobody else's. That's invasive. That doesn't feel right. Whereas
Speaker 4: let's say for example, I pick up information you know
Speaker 4: about you know, a brother that you know who passed
Speaker 4: or something like that, and just through feeling. That's slightly different.
Speaker 4: I'm not going into your brain and pulling out memories
Speaker 4: or whatever it might be.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, So let's go back to the potential.
Speaker 1: How far do you think we can take our potential?
Speaker 1: Besides flying?
Speaker 2: What else can you think we can do?
Speaker 3: That's a good question. Honestly.
Speaker 4: Healing is probably the most important one. And we can
Speaker 4: all heal ourselves. And you know you talked about you know,
Speaker 4: eating healthily and then that kind of tithing with the
Speaker 4: healing self as well, is that we all have the
Speaker 4: ability to sell heal. Now, when you're in soul, right,
Speaker 4: so imagine like a Russian doll. Right, your soul is
Speaker 4: the very inner core. When you're in that all the time,
Speaker 4: nothing can penetrate the outer walls. You don't become sick
Speaker 4: because you're not in your mind. So if somebody tells
Speaker 4: you I'm going to give you a virus and you're
Speaker 4: going to get ill, you'll think about it, right, and
Speaker 4: then you've put it into your spirit, body, into your election, right,
Speaker 4: So it's then manifesting whereas in your authentic state in soul,
Speaker 4: nothing can touch.
Speaker 3: You because you're not in your brain, you're in your heart.
Speaker 4: So when you say about tapping into our true power
Speaker 4: and our potential the soul, and this is I think
Speaker 4: this is what scares a lot of people about soul.
Speaker 4: Is that always just lovey dovey stuff. It's not important, right,
Speaker 4: But the heart, the soul is an intelligence in its
Speaker 4: own right. Right, It's an organic intelligence, right, and that
Speaker 4: has not necessarily been tapped into yet because we've been forced,
Speaker 4: right and fed this illusion in all these beliefs, right
Speaker 4: that it's all in here, but actually it all comes
Speaker 4: from here.
Speaker 1: Right now, what about life extension? It seems dead if
Speaker 1: we did unlock this potential that we may not even
Speaker 1: have to face death. I don't know, what do you think? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Very much?
Speaker 4: So I've got to bring this up because it made
Speaker 4: me chuckle. I don't know if you've seen the videos
Speaker 4: of this Buddhist monk that's like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's not living. He is, like
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, it's shocking. So yeah, I've got a
Speaker 3: lot to say about Buddhist monks and ship like that.
Speaker 3: But the guy, he's better off dead, right, he's not
Speaker 3: living even though he's like two hundred. I don't know
Speaker 3: how old he is actually, I can't remember. But he's
Speaker 3: not really, he's just existing. He's just there. And some
Speaker 3: people say, oh, he's an inspiration, but he's the bag
Speaker 3: of bones, you know, blessing.
Speaker 4: So yeah, if we maybe didn't eat right, maybe if
Speaker 4: we had okay, we'll right bet. But again, the question
Speaker 4: you've got to ask ourselves is how do we know
Speaker 4: that the initial food that we've had in our lifetimes
Speaker 4: hasn't already been genetically modified. We've been you know, we're
Speaker 4: just talking about the last twenty years. Maybe it's always
Speaker 4: been going on and we just haven't been aware of it.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I talked to my my all my guests
Speaker 1: recently about the alteration of our history and how it
Speaker 1: just you know, we we can probably not even tell
Speaker 1: what happened in the past ten years, much less one hundred,
Speaker 1: two hundred thousands of years ago. We're completely lost species.
Speaker 1: We're like Hancock says, we're species with amnesia, and we
Speaker 1: don't know where we're coming or we're going. And there's
Speaker 1: on top of the false reality, they're changing, they're changing
Speaker 1: the false reality.
Speaker 2: So we you know, we're completely confused as a species.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 4: Listen, right, so just imagine like a layer with doctor
Speaker 4: Evel and his henchmen, right, and they're controlling reality.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Here's the plan, guys, okay're going.
Speaker 4: To drop these people into these bodies right with no memories, right,
Speaker 4: with no identity, and we're just going to watch them
Speaker 4: stumble around through life, feeding the system their energy, our beliefs,
Speaker 4: you know. So yeah, it's really difficult to trust anything historically,
Speaker 4: and again it kind of takes us away from us
Speaker 4: who we are at the core. As much as we
Speaker 4: want to believe that the pyramids were for free energy
Speaker 4: or whatever.
Speaker 3: Whatever belief system it might be.
Speaker 4: Either way, all I know is that pyramids are not
Speaker 4: necessarily good pyramids of control. Whether it be the elitist,
Speaker 4: whether it be your seeing eye, you know, which is
Speaker 4: a AI that spells the A the I in the middle.
Speaker 3: It has been there the whole time.
Speaker 4: So and so, from from my point of view, it's
Speaker 4: difficult to believe what to trust because everything has been
Speaker 4: adjusted for the system, for the machines, let's call them
Speaker 4: the soul less.
Speaker 1: Would you say that it's safe to say that everything
Speaker 1: ernel is not to be trusted. That the only thing
Speaker 1: we can truly understand and trust is within ourselves.
Speaker 3: When you say that makes me sounds so Goodnagotte, But yeah,
Speaker 3: right right, yeah, absolutely, yeah. I mean, look, you're gonna
Speaker 3: You're going to make a decision for you, right, and
Speaker 3: that's your decision, that's your choice. You can only trust
Speaker 3: that because it's you. Everything else is the distraction. You know.
Speaker 4: You know, you said you lost friends. You lost friends
Speaker 4: for a reason, maybe because they were part of the system.
Speaker 4: The system was using them to keep you within this
Speaker 4: kind of you know how, let's call them handlers forwards
Speaker 4: of a better effect, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, man, Now let's talk about some of
Speaker 1: the non conventional healing modalities that you recommend to people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 4: It's been quite okay, So the healing modalities. First of all,
Speaker 4: probably my journey as far as he had twenty years ago.
Speaker 4: This is really freaky actually, so twenty years ago when
Speaker 4: I experienced that paranormal thing, you know, the spirit coming me,
Speaker 4: coming up with me. Probably six months after that happened,
Speaker 4: I then went in to learn about massage. I qualified
Speaker 4: as a massage therapist. So that's really helped me on
Speaker 4: my journey where I am now as well is understanding
Speaker 4: how our body retains energy how are we to lose
Speaker 4: that edgy as well. So for people waking up and
Speaker 4: questioning if you're looking at doing something, I'd highly suggest
Speaker 4: recommend getting to massage, especially especially if you've been very
Speaker 4: physical throughout your life, whether you've played sports or maybe
Speaker 4: whatever I suppose, But yeah, the massage is absolutely keep
Speaker 4: because it's all about our body getting.
Speaker 3: That back into alignment. Again, there's different different modalities for healing.
Speaker 3: Now there's guy called Bob beck and Bob beck was
Speaker 3: big on blood and electrification.
Speaker 4: Now, unfortunately this is a double edge blade because again
Speaker 4: Bob beck Is was a freemason, Okay, but he came
Speaker 4: out with some very interesting information regarding how you can
Speaker 4: purify the blood through blood electrification.
Speaker 3: Also, some information came in through one of his studies.
Speaker 4: It goes back to the fifties where this guy had
Speaker 4: stage three cancer in the task the side throughout his body.
Speaker 4: He lost all his teeth, he lost all his hair.
Speaker 4: He's on a walking stick. He got struck by lightning
Speaker 4: and within weeks he lost the walking stick. His teeth
Speaker 4: were growing back his hair grew back and the cancer
Speaker 4: and he went into the full remission the cancer disappeared, right,
Speaker 4: So that, if anything should show to people that the
Speaker 4: electrical side of our body is very important in respects
Speaker 4: that we can heal ourselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right now, how do you see our future?
Speaker 1: We're obviously in a much different time than the past
Speaker 1: ten twenty thirty years where people are seeking something other
Speaker 1: than the external, where they are questioning reality. Do you
Speaker 1: think that this is going to be a cattle to
Speaker 1: a new era of understanding spirituality or is this going
Speaker 1: to lead to just a deeper trap?
Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, the latter.
Speaker 4: Okay, So, okay, we are on a knife edge in
Speaker 4: respect of our kids have been indoctrinated now more so
Speaker 4: than you and I were back in the eighties nineties.
Speaker 3: So it's going to get more more testing.
Speaker 4: Mental health is going to go on a big decline
Speaker 4: as well, because people just won't know what to trust,
Speaker 4: what to believe.
Speaker 3: They'll just blow out their box.
Speaker 4: So we're on this kind of knife edge as to
Speaker 4: claiming back our sole authentic state or continuing down this
Speaker 4: journey of madness. What's the definition of insanity is to
Speaker 4: do the same thing expecting different results.
Speaker 3: You know now to believe in government as actually.
Speaker 4: The saying, whether it's Trump, Biden, you know, whoever it
Speaker 4: might be, whoever these world leaders, whether it's Pooting or
Speaker 4: they're talking about clearing out underground bunkers in the Ukraine
Speaker 4: or whatever. Source, trust me, bro, where's it coming from?
Speaker 4: And again, these people all waiting for a savior. And
Speaker 4: that's the point is there's no savior. We've got to take.
Speaker 4: We've gone to meet our issues head on and heal ourselves.
Speaker 4: That's the key thing. When you get in soul, you're unstoppable.
Speaker 4: It's so powerful. I can't describe it, really, Chris, Sorry, no.
Speaker 1: Right on, man, No, I love it. This is such
Speaker 1: a different way to approach this and it's definitely got
Speaker 1: my brain spinning. And I love the way that you
Speaker 1: present things. Tell us what you got a seminar class
Speaker 1: coming up for soul and mind.
Speaker 2: It's a two hour class, is that right?
Speaker 3: That's right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, on the twenty fifth of November. I'm holding one then,
Speaker 4: and I'm holding one then properly. I think it's the
Speaker 4: Sick of January, but that's for the East, so I'm
Speaker 4: holding because I'm obviously in the UK kind of center
Speaker 4: of the of the plane of existence, let's call it.
Speaker 3: So it's Friday the twenty fifth, from eight or ten
Speaker 3: pm GMT.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I'll be doing a live for anybody that
Speaker 4: wants to join, helping people discover knowing thyself. So I
Speaker 4: will admit quite freely that I cherry pick parts from
Speaker 4: maybe certain religions like buddick is know the myself, which
Speaker 4: is key. I scrap everything else though, you know, But
Speaker 4: how can so many people don't know how they operate,
Speaker 4: how their brain works, how to heal themselves that they
Speaker 4: get lost right you? And I don't mean it's a
Speaker 4: bad way, but you know, good to anybody ifn't if
Speaker 4: you don't know how you work personally. So this is
Speaker 4: the point of the workshop, is to help people on
Speaker 4: a more of them's level take their power back.
Speaker 1: Right on. I love it.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: Before you head out today, let the audience know what
Speaker 1: else you got going on. I know you have a
Speaker 1: YouTube channel, your website. Tell us about all that stuff.
Speaker 4: I okay, So the website is at the moment noble story,
Speaker 4: but I will be creating the holding site TikTok actually
Speaker 4: shadow on me. I'm currently at about seventy six thousand,
Speaker 4: but they've now shouted by me. I'm probably expected to
Speaker 4: be deleted soon as well. So I am trying to
Speaker 4: build up my YouTube channel so I can follow me
Speaker 4: there and I do have a link tree link so
Speaker 4: and I actually i'm creating music as well at the moment.
Speaker 1: So what's the name of the YouTube channel. I'll have
Speaker 1: a link in description, but for the audience it's it's
Speaker 1: called Merlin mofo.
Speaker 3: So it's like this uppe a Merlin mofo.
Speaker 4: So if you come on that, and probably again, if
Speaker 4: I do removed from TikTok, I'm probably not going to
Speaker 4: go back because this will be the sixth in eighteen months.
Speaker 1: Hey, at least you're you're trying to give them the shot,
Speaker 1: all right, And this was fantastic. I would definitely love
Speaker 1: to speak with you more in the future because I
Speaker 1: think we barely scratch the surface on some of this
Speaker 1: stuff and we could go a lot deeper, for sure, very.
Speaker 3: Much so, Chris, Hey, look, thank you so much for
Speaker 3: having me on. It's been a pleasure. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Yes, it has.
Speaker 1: And until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening. We'll
Speaker 1: talk again tomorrow. We'll see y'all then. Today my guest
Speaker 1: is Lindsay Sharman. She is host of Roagueways podcast, author
Speaker 1: of four books, educator, and National Board certified teacher with
Speaker 1: a master's in teaching. She is also a spiritualist and
Speaker 1: experiencer of other realms via astral travel, dream walking, visions,
Speaker 1: and interaction with other dimensional entities. Lindsey, welcome back. How
Speaker 1: you doing.
Speaker 5: I'm fantastic, Chris, thank you for having me back. It's
Speaker 5: always awesome to be here with you in your stellar audience.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, it's always a wonderful conversation when you hear
Speaker 1: and today will be no different. We're going to dive
Speaker 1: into some things that you've actually been examining lately, such
Speaker 1: as black cube symbolism.
Speaker 2: You got your own little twist on this.
Speaker 1: We'll see if we have time for some soul retrieval
Speaker 1: past lives, and I've always got more weird and wonderful
Speaker 1: area as we can wander through if we have time.
Speaker 1: How has everything been though in Lindsay's world lately?
Speaker 5: It has been fantastic. I'm really always feeling so blessed
Speaker 5: and having so much gratitude for the fact that we
Speaker 5: get to do this and bring these ideas to people
Speaker 5: and hang out with some of the coolest people in
Speaker 5: the world and you know, learn and share this just
Speaker 5: pretty cool.
Speaker 1: So I love it right on now. I love taking
Speaker 1: stuff that has like originally a negative connotation and flipping
Speaker 1: it around. And there's so much of this in our
Speaker 1: reality that's been inverted to where it's really beautiful. Positive
Speaker 1: things that have been inverted so that we think they're
Speaker 1: horrible and negative to keep us looking down the wrong
Speaker 1: path and not being enlightened like we should. And one
Speaker 1: of those things is the black cube symbolism people think of,
Speaker 1: you know, being assimilated by the Borg, black Cube of Saturn,
Speaker 1: Saturnian death cult, being assimilated the black Cube of Mecca.
Speaker 1: All these things that you know have generally a negative
Speaker 1: connotation to them. But you've looked a little deeper into this,
Speaker 1: What have you come up with about the black cube?
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's actually been where I've been most of
Speaker 5: my conspiratorial life, which has been a long time, like decades,
Speaker 5: I want to say, of sort of steeping in this
Speaker 5: negative ideology of this entire world view that the controller
Speaker 5: sort of lay upon us. And you know, like you said,
Speaker 5: it keeps us trapped in this fear, and I think
Speaker 5: especially what they would love is for us to believe
Speaker 5: that they have full control, that they always have had
Speaker 5: full control, that everything is negative and hopeless. And I
Speaker 5: really think this black cube thing is like one of
Speaker 5: those big ones that people when they start to see it,
Speaker 5: they start to see it everywhere. It seems ubiquitous, and
Speaker 5: then they go, oh, my god, they really do have
Speaker 5: their fingers and everything. They control everything, and it is
Speaker 5: this dark Saturnian death cult, and all of those things
Speaker 5: are true, but it's also not as hopeless as we think,
Speaker 5: and all of it has been stolen, you know, from us.
Speaker 5: The cube is actually this beautiful, beautiful symbol. Black is
Speaker 5: even a beautiful color. Death is even a beautiful thing, right,
Speaker 5: And there's all of these aspects of it that are
Speaker 5: actually something that we could take and find empowering and hopeful,
Speaker 5: and instead we're just sort of led into seeing it
Speaker 5: as this all pervasive evil. I don't want to pretend
Speaker 5: that evil isn't there, and then they're not powerful and
Speaker 5: that they're not pulling off all kinds of black magic.
Speaker 5: This is one of the most nefarious black magic spells though.
Speaker 5: Look at all the movies we have that have black
Speaker 5: Cube stuff in it, and how it's always presented as
Speaker 5: a trap. And this is one of the things, right,
Speaker 5: that they want you to really see the whole world
Speaker 5: as a trap, and they really want you to feel
Speaker 5: like you are disempowered in it. So we see the
Speaker 5: black cube in so many movies as this sort of
Speaker 5: literal trap that people are stuck inside of and they
Speaker 5: have to get out of somehow. If you can look
Speaker 5: at all these movies, right, we see the borg they
Speaker 5: literally live in a black cube, right, And everyone's assimilated
Speaker 5: and there's no hope and they say resistance is futile
Speaker 5: and all of these things. We could even stretch and
Speaker 5: connect it with the black goo that we also see everywhere,
Speaker 5: which seems like programmable matter. It seems like sort of
Speaker 5: evil and darkness incarnate, that it can get into anyone
Speaker 5: and take over their souls and like control them. And
Speaker 5: there's all of this energy in there too, and so
Speaker 5: we start to feel like, wow, maybe it really is
Speaker 5: a trap. Right, And then we also have this along
Speaker 5: with that matrix idea, that trap that we're stuck inside
Speaker 5: of it, we have that ideology as well, right, that
Speaker 5: this is all actually this matrix and that it's this simulation.
Speaker 5: And it's really interesting because I've always seen sort of
Speaker 5: that side of it. But I've always I've always had
Speaker 5: this internal thing that just knows, like this isn't a trap.
Speaker 5: Though we're not in a trap right now, right, So
Speaker 5: I'm trying to look at all these angles, like, you know,
Speaker 5: maybe it is, and maybe I'm wrong, and maybe you know,
Speaker 5: we're stuck in a simulation and there's this evil, evil
Speaker 5: god and out yell the bo or whatever, the gnostic,
Speaker 5: you know, demiurge who's trapped us here against our will
Speaker 5: and you know, as the master of all matter and
Speaker 5: the material world. Maybe that's true, right, But I just
Speaker 5: don't see it. I don't actually even see any evidence
Speaker 5: of it. And in fact, I see that we have
Speaker 5: all this evidence that we live. Yeah, sure in a matrix,
Speaker 5: uh maybe even you'd say in a simulation. But when
Speaker 5: you look at it, we have effect here, we have
Speaker 5: power here, and so if we were trapped here, like
Speaker 5: how could we have this effect in this power? Even
Speaker 5: a materialist science, you know, in this quantum physics ideology,
Speaker 5: we have the idea that the observer affects the observed.
Speaker 5: So if this is such an ironclad, tight BORGI like
Speaker 5: cube that yelled de bull Eth has trapped us in
Speaker 5: am I saying his name, right, I don't even know.
Speaker 1: They also something like that, yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 5: Has trapped us in here, Then why would we be
Speaker 5: able to affect things just with our observation, not even
Speaker 5: meaning to necessarily And then imagine if we meant to.
Speaker 5: And this is why they want us struck in fear, right,
Speaker 5: This is why they want us to see it as
Speaker 5: this black cube. This is why they want us to
Speaker 5: project out that we're trapped and that it's hopeless. And
Speaker 5: this is why they have it everywhere. You have the
Speaker 5: black cube. They built like giant ones and they've flopped
Speaker 5: it down in these cities around the world, and they
Speaker 5: have it as their literal logos. There's like black cube,
Speaker 5: black rock, black stone, right, Mecha has it and built
Speaker 5: into it all of these wayss we look and so
Speaker 5: that we'll see, oh my god, you have we're trapped,
Speaker 5: But no, we have all this power. They're just hiding
Speaker 5: that part from us, right right.
Speaker 1: That's the two kind of possible realities that I still
Speaker 1: kind of struggle with, and I brought it up with
Speaker 1: quite a few guests even recently. Is is this what
Speaker 1: we are? Reality? Is this for us?
Speaker 3: Did we? You know?
Speaker 1: Is this for just for our consciousness evolution, our development,
Speaker 1: our spiritual development? Or has something you know, kind of
Speaker 1: hijacked it to keep us, you know, to make it
Speaker 1: harder to get out into our pure consciousness into to
Speaker 1: have these revelations in spiritual growth.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean I can see it kind of from both angles,
Speaker 1: but I look more towards Yes, this, we created this
Speaker 1: for us. We have this dualistic reality where we're not
Speaker 1: gonna learn anything, We're not going to grow if it's
Speaker 1: all just love and light all the time. So there
Speaker 1: has to be some of these things that probably were
Speaker 1: put here for us by us to enhance our consciousness
Speaker 1: and help us grow spiritually.
Speaker 5: Maybe yeah, And I really think it's both right. There
Speaker 5: is this parasite class, there is this evil in the world.
Speaker 5: Is whatever this is? I really think it's just humans too,
Speaker 5: as as humans can be anything we want and so
Speaker 5: we can do that. I don't think it's this all
Speaker 5: powerful outside force that again has trapped us. So I
Speaker 5: think that's true that is happening here, you know, and
Speaker 5: it does feel like it's complete and total. But this
Speaker 5: is also a place made for us, and we are
Speaker 5: also incredibly powerful spiritual beings, and those things do, whether
Speaker 5: they mean to or not, push us towards remembering that
Speaker 5: and living that and adapting to that and adopting that
Speaker 5: spiritual growth and that empowerment, you know, which is beautiful.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: In this place we're in is the material world. It's
Speaker 5: a three dimensional world, and we call it matter, right, matter, material.
Speaker 5: These all come from the same root as matrix, matrix.
Speaker 5: Actually is this idea of mothering mother mater, material, matrix.
Speaker 5: They all have the same root. We call this mother
Speaker 5: Earth for a reason, right, So this three dimensional material
Speaker 5: place is actually the mother. When you think about the
Speaker 5: divine feminine energy, it's represented as a square actually, right,
Speaker 5: and it always has right.
Speaker 1: Matrix also used as like a womb, a mother's womb exactly.
Speaker 5: That's what matrix means. So before it was this like movie,
Speaker 5: and we thought about it as the computer and the trap,
Speaker 5: and we started associating it with the cube. That that
Speaker 5: is the original meaning for it. So what people be
Speaker 5: most familiar with is perhaps like a matrix, such as
Speaker 5: like a Petrie dish. That material that's in the petrie
Speaker 5: dish is called the matrix. And so you take whatever
Speaker 5: you know, bacteria or whatever you have, and you swab
Speaker 5: it on there, and that matrix is there. It's meant
Speaker 5: to allow everything it needs for it to grow and
Speaker 5: develop and expand. Right, you're culturing it. And so that's
Speaker 5: why it's called the matrix. It's the mother. It is
Speaker 5: there for you, just like the womb, right can receive
Speaker 5: the seed, and then the state can have everything it
Speaker 5: needs in order to grow and develop until it's ready
Speaker 5: to go out on its own. So that's where we're at, right.
Speaker 5: This is the material world. It is the mother. It's
Speaker 5: not a trap. It is exactly what we need in
Speaker 5: order to develop and grow. And throughout time, this place
Speaker 5: has been represented by the square. Whether you think it's
Speaker 5: the Earth is flat and it actually is a square
Speaker 5: and a plane or whatever, it doesn't matter that the
Speaker 5: symbolism of it has always been the square, because the
Speaker 5: square is measurable. Material is measurable. Right, the square has
Speaker 5: edges and boundaries. This place has edges and boundaries. And
Speaker 5: as opposed to that, the heavenly area, the you know,
Speaker 5: spiritual dimension, the higher dimensions have been represented by the circle.
Speaker 5: The circle actually has the largest capacity for the minimum
Speaker 5: amount of effort. If you're actually calculating like the area
Speaker 5: of a circle, it contains the as much as you
Speaker 5: could possibly contain with the littlest amount of you know,
Speaker 5: boundary line. So it's got that idea, right. You actually
Speaker 5: cannot actually calculate the circle to perfection. We have pie, right,
Speaker 5: and pie goes to infinity. If you cannot endeavor ends,
Speaker 5: it's irrational. So for that reason, we have the circle
Speaker 5: as this sphericle and this heavenly sort of energy. So
Speaker 5: the square is material, the circle is heavenly, the cube
Speaker 5: is still material, the sphere is still heavenly. So we
Speaker 5: have that everywhere. We see it in the Masonic logos, right,
Speaker 5: we see it in various trade in their various symbols
Speaker 5: across the ages. We have the circle with the cross
Speaker 5: inside of it, right, that traditional cross, that's a symbol
Speaker 5: of this exact same idea that heaven and Earth could merge,
Speaker 5: and that that's what we actually are. We're here in
Speaker 5: this material world, but we're developing spiritually. Like you just said,
Speaker 5: those forces that we see is so dark or actually
Speaker 5: whether they like it or not propelling us even further
Speaker 5: in our spiritual development. We are actually the meeting of
Speaker 5: heaven and Earth. So cube symbolism is not bad, right,
Speaker 5: It's actually just beautiful. It's actually just representing where we are.
Speaker 5: And they just would love to invert that, and they
Speaker 5: would love to control it completely and say we do
Speaker 5: dominate the material world. We are Yealdebo or whatever we are, right,
Speaker 5: this force you couldn't possibly overcome. You should weep in
Speaker 5: your hovel and be grateful for the bugs that we
Speaker 5: throw to you peasants, right.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: Instead, we're actually supposed to remember Heaven exists the spirit world,
Speaker 5: and we are that and sort of be the sphere
Speaker 5: within this material place. That's what they don't want. That's
Speaker 5: where we're the most powerful, and that's where they have
Speaker 5: the least control over us. So yeah, and so the
Speaker 5: cube itself actually like contains some of these hints of
Speaker 5: how beyond what we've already mentioned, of like how beautiful
Speaker 5: this place actually is. So one of the things I love.
Speaker 5: And this is again, whether you like or care about
Speaker 5: Jesus or not, you can just you know, know what
Speaker 5: Jesus is supposed to represent in the world. He's supposed
Speaker 5: to represent the pathway for humans to find divinity in
Speaker 5: this place, which is exactly what we're talking about.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: And so the cube, if you unroll it right, it
Speaker 5: has all these sides, all these planes. I had six
Speaker 5: of them but I can't remember. But if you unroll
Speaker 5: the sphere or the sorry the cube, it actually makes
Speaker 5: a cross. A lot of people may have seen this
Speaker 5: sort of in a gift or something. Right, all the
Speaker 5: planes kind of roll out and it makes the perfect cross.
Speaker 5: This is a symbol of Jesus. More importantly, it's a
Speaker 5: symbol again of this plane, and usually it's encompassed by
Speaker 5: a circle to represent how this plane and the spiritual
Speaker 5: are one. So the cube also contains that symbolism. Yes,
Speaker 5: there's one, go ahead.
Speaker 1: No, I was just gonna say everything that we fear,
Speaker 1: everything that they tell us to fear. If we fear it,
Speaker 1: we're not going to explore it, and we're not going
Speaker 1: to learn about it. And that is exactly what they
Speaker 1: what they want us to do. The most powerful thing
Speaker 1: we can do is explore these things that have been
Speaker 1: occulted from us, and we gain power from it by
Speaker 1: exploring it and learning about it. And the more we
Speaker 1: learn about it, the more we realize this isn't anything
Speaker 1: to fear. Actually, it actually gives us power.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, and we can feel so much more like, oh,
Speaker 5: this place is actually made for me, or I'm made
Speaker 5: for it, or I'm made to link these two amazing places,
Speaker 5: Heaven and Earth, like what how beautiful is that? How
Speaker 5: amazing is that? There's also this thing when you look
Speaker 5: at this sphere and it's sorry the cube, and it's
Speaker 5: on its point right, it's resting on one point and
Speaker 5: sort of facing upward. There's a line in the front
Speaker 5: that makes like a y. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: You can kind of imagine that y shape that the
Speaker 5: cube makes. That is the room for life. It's a
Speaker 5: room for life, and it's algas I believe, and this
Speaker 5: ruin for life has also something they have inverted, so
Speaker 5: you can see again like both that the cube is
Speaker 5: encoding something beautiful, something empowering, something that reminds you that
Speaker 5: this place is your mother. Whether you believe in Mother
Speaker 5: Earth as a consciousness or not doesn't matter. This entire
Speaker 5: plane or a place is the matrix for which you
Speaker 5: were put into so that you could develop. I really
Speaker 5: also believe you chose to be here to develop. But
Speaker 5: that's another story. And they even are encoding this life
Speaker 5: rune into this cube, right, and they have taken this
Speaker 5: the dark forces and they've inverted that life room. And
Speaker 5: you can imagine the why facing the other direction going down,
Speaker 5: and that's the death rune. Right, They've inverted this, and
Speaker 5: then they've made it the peace sign. Yeah right, They
Speaker 5: so that we're all walking around saying peace, but we're
Speaker 5: actually when we're doing it with our fingers, we're actually
Speaker 5: doing life right. It's the upright version. We don't usually
Speaker 5: do this downward facing sign, but when we're writing the
Speaker 5: peace sign, we do it downward right. So we're writing
Speaker 5: peace everywhere, but we're actually writing death. That is the
Speaker 5: room for death. That's the inverted life roun. So the
Speaker 5: cube encodes the upright life roun, implying and reminding us
Speaker 5: that this material plane is life giving, it is about life,
Speaker 5: it's about transformation. And they're like, okay, well, let's take
Speaker 5: the cube and invert it, make it dark, make people
Speaker 5: associated it with being stuck in this matrix and never
Speaker 5: being able to escape. And let's also, just in case,
Speaker 5: take that life room and make everybody around the world
Speaker 5: use this symbol and think that they're talking about peace
Speaker 5: in life, but they're actually promoting death, death, death, death, death,
Speaker 5: right every time you write it. And that's crazy to me.
Speaker 5: You know, that was one of the things I learned
Speaker 5: a long time ago. That was just a simple, a
Speaker 5: simple sort of look. But it's like, wow, that's how
Speaker 5: powerful their dark magic spells are. Is they have everybody
Speaker 5: in the whole entire world making these peace signs and
Speaker 5: thinking of cubes in negative ways and they're just saying
Speaker 5: death and thinking about being stuck all the time.
Speaker 1: And it's also linked to Saturn, the death cult of Saturn,
Speaker 1: which also gives Saturn a bad connotation. I mean, how
Speaker 1: do we know that Saturn is really evil? What if
Speaker 1: it has this beautiful purpose of you know, projecting our
Speaker 1: reality or something else or something that it has this
Speaker 1: kind of cosmic purpose that if it wasn't there, maybe
Speaker 1: we wouldn't even exist. You know, Saturn gets a pretty
Speaker 1: bad rap because of that shit too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So that's the other thing that this is associated
Speaker 5: with his Saturn, and they all the time we hear
Speaker 5: Saturn death cult, Saturn worship. Saturn is satan Saturn is
Speaker 5: there Okay, So again, no matter what you think about Satan,
Speaker 5: Satan just means the adversary, right, and maybe there's a
Speaker 5: fallen angel, and maybe there's a super evil dude that's
Speaker 5: your adversary. Okay, well, now you know how strong you
Speaker 5: need to be. That's your adversary, just like your place
Speaker 5: the game. You're like, well, I need to gather this sword,
Speaker 5: and I need to put on this right, and I
Speaker 5: need to learn that spell so I could go face
Speaker 5: my adversary whatever. But Saturn, Saturn is not Satan. Saturn
Speaker 5: has never just been like, this is your evil adversary.
Speaker 5: Even the ancient mythos of Saturn is not like that, right.
Speaker 5: He's kind of harsh, he's kind of like fatherly figure,
Speaker 5: fatherly whatever. The worst we can say about Saturn is
Speaker 5: this idea that he ate his children, right, And that's
Speaker 5: that's the myth of Saturn. And even that people are
Speaker 5: taking and they're like, see child eating and and I'm
Speaker 5: like I get I get it, because they do seem
Speaker 5: to eat babies. This death cult, right, they like to
Speaker 5: invert everything and get as dark as they can get.
Speaker 5: But Saturn eating his children was not actually meant as
Speaker 5: far as we can tell to be this tale of
Speaker 5: this evil you know, archetype in the s guy that
Speaker 5: just loves to kill children. As far as we can tell,
Speaker 5: Saturn is just representative of space and time. Space and time,
Speaker 5: time and especially is what we think about when we
Speaker 5: think about Saturn. Those are the energies associate with them
Speaker 5: most traditionally. And when they're talking about eating his children,
Speaker 5: they say things like he bore his children and then
Speaker 5: he ate his children, right, he bore them and then
Speaker 5: ate them of the same even impulse, And you think
Speaker 5: about that, Well, what is time and matter in this
Speaker 5: material space? What does it do? It births things in
Speaker 5: the spring, they grow up and they're beautiful, and there's
Speaker 5: trees and they bear fruit. By the time the summer
Speaker 5: and the fall roll around, and then things start to
Speaker 5: get cold. Time moves forward and they start to rot
Speaker 5: and they fall into the ground. But no one looks
Speaker 5: at that and says that's evil. Nature's killing everything and
Speaker 5: it's evil. We just go, oh, yeah, that has to happen. Actually,
Speaker 5: we ate some of the fruit we needed, and the
Speaker 5: rest of it has to go back down into the
Speaker 5: earth to be composted and turn back into nutrients. And
Speaker 5: then grow the next generation of trees and grass and whatever,
Speaker 5: the same thing is happening with us. We were born,
Speaker 5: we grow, we live, we bear fruit, we start to wither,
Speaker 5: and we die and it's a beautiful It would be
Speaker 5: horrible if we didn't die, right, We have to die.
Speaker 1: Like they've done that across the board, with all these
Speaker 1: historical stories of how the universe works, astrology, how nature works,
Speaker 1: showing us up these deep, beautiful stories, allegorical stories of
Speaker 1: how the universe and everything comes together. But it's been
Speaker 1: averted and we'll never know the true meaning because now
Speaker 1: it's satan and it's evil and Cronos is eating his babies.
Speaker 1: And you don't want to look at that. But if
Speaker 1: you do look at it and find out the true
Speaker 1: meaning and go even deeper, you're better for it because
Speaker 1: you've actually learned something, and you've broken the spell of
Speaker 1: you know, fear that they're trying to keep over.
Speaker 5: You, yes, and the fear of death and the fear
Speaker 5: of time. It's like, yeah, that's going to keep going
Speaker 5: on forever. Millions and billions of people have died before you,
Speaker 5: and you're gonna die too. And this father and mother
Speaker 5: father Time and mother Earth father, you know, Heaven and
Speaker 5: Mother Earth, this matrix and this fatherly energy created you
Speaker 5: and it's going to destroy you too. But there's part
Speaker 5: of you that is not destroyed. And this is part
Speaker 5: of Saturn's energy too, right, He's like, well, did you
Speaker 5: prepare did you go find the sword? And did you
Speaker 5: get the right armor? And did you learn the spell?
Speaker 5: And did you remember who you are? Because if so,
Speaker 5: you can transcend that. And you actually realized you don't die.
Speaker 5: Your physical body falls away and it re goes back
Speaker 5: into the earth and reforms into something else, but you
Speaker 5: your consciousness that transcends time and space. And now Saturn
Speaker 5: is just a great teacher and just a great father
Speaker 5: and not some evil thing that's trying to kill you,
Speaker 5: right right, And you master that, you are now mastery.
Speaker 5: You're the master. Right. If you can really really get
Speaker 5: deeper into that side of learning and thinking, you've overcome
Speaker 5: time and matter and space. Right, And that's what all
Speaker 5: the great teachers are talking about right on?
Speaker 1: Man, Now, I wanted to bring up I might have
Speaker 1: brought this up on your show whenever I was on there.
Speaker 1: I think it was last week about my not personal
Speaker 1: direct experience, but something I saw that was actually filmed
Speaker 1: and videotaped. That is regarding a paranormal kind of incident.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if I told you about the
Speaker 1: black cube that manifested in a field. To tell you
Speaker 1: about that, all right, I'm gonna quickly tell this story.
Speaker 1: I was at a UFO conference and I don't know
Speaker 1: if you know who Trey Hudson is. He's a paranormal
Speaker 1: investigator and he's in charge of the investigation down at
Speaker 1: the meadow. The meadow is like an undisclosed paranormal hotspot
Speaker 1: like Skinwalker Ranch, except it's in the South. It's in Alabama.
Speaker 1: And his team of investigators, he's former intelligence. They are legit,
Speaker 1: like they really know what they're doing, have top of
Speaker 1: the line equipment, and they're you know, twenty four to
Speaker 1: seven monitoring this place. Well, they they brought their their
Speaker 1: findings to this UFO conference that I was covering, and
Speaker 1: they showed a video of some of their some of
Speaker 1: their findings, and this is one of the most This
Speaker 1: is actually the most incredible thing that I've probably ever seen.
Speaker 1: This was real footage of something that manifested in the
Speaker 1: meadow in the field that they kind of has like bigfoots, grays, UFOs,
Speaker 1: all kind of crazy weird activity. Well, this particular night,
Speaker 1: on the camera on the you can they have an
Speaker 1: infrared camera, they have a regular camera, and it's just
Speaker 1: kind of overlooking the field. On the camera, this black cube,
Speaker 1: huge twenty foot by twenty foot manifested out of nowhere
Speaker 1: in the field and they're looking at it. They're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, we got to go check this out.
Speaker 1: So he sends a couple of his team members out
Speaker 1: there to go check it out. And when they're outside,
Speaker 1: they don't see anything. It's only visible on the camera
Speaker 1: on infrared camera, on the regular camera, and it's this
Speaker 1: massive black cube. And they start walking towards it. They're
Speaker 1: being guided where exactly to go because they can't see it. Well.
Speaker 1: Once they get to the location, I shit you not,
Speaker 1: they disappear on the camera. You can't see them anymore.
Speaker 1: Their infrared signature is gone, but the black cubes there,
Speaker 1: it's like swallowed them up. This is the best part
Speaker 1: on their end. They gets totally disoriented. The temperature drops
Speaker 1: like ten degrees. Everything is complete darkness. They can't see anything,
Speaker 1: and they're running into like foliage and branches that don't
Speaker 1: egat exist in that area, like little picker bushes and
Speaker 1: weird shit that's not supposed to be there. Wow, they
Speaker 1: have to backtrack and like find their way out of
Speaker 1: this thing. They finally re emerged twenty foot on the
Speaker 1: other side of this black cube. You know. Their heat
Speaker 1: signatures came out and they said they were totally disoriented.
Speaker 1: They ended up in a place that they never thought
Speaker 1: they were. And then when they're walking back, like this
Speaker 1: cube is still on camera, but once once they leave
Speaker 1: the area, it just dissipates and disappears. And it's like, man,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. What if they would have been in that
Speaker 1: thing when that when it would have disappeared. But that's
Speaker 1: another thing I mean, see, is that not necessarily evil?
Speaker 1: It's kind of It may be a little scary when
Speaker 1: you first see it, I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: But is it necessarily evil? Or is it a part
Speaker 1: of our reality? Is it a part like another state
Speaker 1: of matter that we haven't discovered yet? Is it another dimension?
Speaker 1: You know? It is this giving us access to parts
Speaker 1: of our reality that we wouldn't know otherwise? And is
Speaker 1: it necessarily bad? But it was a black cube?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's crazy that it was a black cube, you know,
Speaker 5: and I wonder if it was just black because it
Speaker 5: is absorbing light and time and space or something, right,
Speaker 5: that's what black is seemed to be. Yeah, it sounds
Speaker 5: like a portal, and that's what I was thinking when
Speaker 5: you were describing it, you know, And it reminds me
Speaker 5: of both the Missing four one one and some of
Speaker 5: the cases where people talk about like stumbling into sort
Speaker 5: of like the weird area and it's disorienting. There might
Speaker 5: even be a fog or different brush or different things,
Speaker 5: and then coming back out. Sometimes some people don't come
Speaker 5: back out, and we wonder, like, well, what happened to them?
Speaker 5: Are they stuck in a different time in space? Because again,
Speaker 5: that's interesting that the cube can be associated with time
Speaker 5: and space and this could be a portal to different
Speaker 5: times in space. You know, there's this thing I just
Speaker 5: saw that was like a you know Ted X or
Speaker 5: maybe just Ted talk this guy who's a quantum physicist,
Speaker 5: or what everybody wanted to make. So in quantum physics,
Speaker 5: there's an idea of entanglement, right where like two particles
Speaker 5: or two photons or two whatevers can be brought to
Speaker 5: the same exact time and space and then when they're
Speaker 5: pulled apart, they can mimic each other instantly, which is
Speaker 5: a type of time travel. So like if you have
Speaker 5: one you know, proton over here and one over here,
Speaker 5: and that you can make them both spin in the
Speaker 5: same direction at the exact same time with no leg
Speaker 5: that is time travel. Nothing moves that fast, right, not
Speaker 5: even light. So this guy wanted to entangle things at
Speaker 5: a macro level, well not just quantum entanglement, but just entanglement,
Speaker 5: and he wanted to prove it. So I won't walk
Speaker 5: through the whole thing that he did, but he claims
Speaker 5: to have succeeded. And part of the basis of how
Speaker 5: he designed things, I'll just say was based on the
Speaker 5: idea of the hypercube or the tesser act, do.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, yeah, So.
Speaker 5: It's a cube that goes into the cube and it
Speaker 5: like never kind of ends. It's not really a possible thing,
Speaker 5: but it connects dimensions and this cube. When you're talking
Speaker 5: about it, I'm like, what if that's what the whole
Speaker 5: cube thing is? Is this like idea of hypercube? You
Speaker 5: know that you can actually time travel, you can actually
Speaker 5: create portals that it's based on this shape and this
Speaker 5: the mathematics of that shape, right, that's what he claims
Speaker 5: was the thing that allowed him to macro and tang,
Speaker 5: which we've never done before. Should be this world mind
Speaker 5: breaking announcement, But you know how many people really even
Speaker 5: understand what the hell I just said? So, so I
Speaker 5: can see why not. Everyone's just like, but I saw it.
Speaker 5: I was like, that's insane if that's true, because that
Speaker 5: means we can time travel eventually, actually, that we understand
Speaker 5: the physics of it, and that there are ways to
Speaker 5: connect various dimensions through this tesser act, this hypercube back
Speaker 5: to the cube again. You know, that's so insane.
Speaker 1: And if you think that, you know, maybe in these
Speaker 1: this phenomenon natural state, that it's kind of benign, maybe beneficial,
Speaker 1: maybe beautiful. But we have aerospace companies, we've got corporations
Speaker 1: coming into places like this to try and put their
Speaker 1: little fingers in there and discover weaponiyes probably what they
Speaker 1: can do with this high strange stuff. But in its
Speaker 1: natural it's probably not good or bad. But we go
Speaker 1: in there and we try to make it the worse
Speaker 1: that it can be.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So when you know, when I hear about the
Speaker 5: missing four and one stuff, and people having time slips
Speaker 5: and just wandering into these fogs or these cubes, probably
Speaker 5: that they can't see these testserracts that they're just not
Speaker 5: capable of perceiving. I feel bad for them. I'm like, well,
Speaker 5: they didn't ask for that. They didn't really want to
Speaker 5: go back to like the nineteen twenties for five seconds
Speaker 5: and then come back to now and just be like,
Speaker 5: what the hell does happen? Like that's probably really hard
Speaker 5: or if you never come back, that's probably way worse.
Speaker 5: But I also then think of, again, yeah, what can
Speaker 5: we actually do with that technology? And I am sure
Speaker 5: there are beings already using that technology, right, and that,
Speaker 5: like you said, it's neutral about how do we apply it.
Speaker 5: When I do manifestation, a lot of times I go
Speaker 5: into meditation and I go into my sort of spiritual
Speaker 5: space I call it sometimes a psychic space, and I
Speaker 5: will picture and well build my energy, right, and I'll
Speaker 5: picture the thing that I'm manifesting, and I will actually
Speaker 5: like bring it out from inside into the largest dimension
Speaker 5: of the universe and then back inside, and it sort
Speaker 5: of looks like a hypercube to my mind. So like
Speaker 5: I'm even using this same basic geometry for my own manifestation.
Speaker 5: Why I hear other people talk about sort of quantum jumping,
Speaker 5: is right, is that what they're calling it quantum shifting.
Speaker 5: It's also manifestation, and it sounds like the kind of
Speaker 5: using the same sort of idea that you have to
Speaker 5: like take it from inside, put it outside, and then
Speaker 5: bring out side back in and sort of like make
Speaker 5: them all connected in your mind. So I'm like, you know,
Speaker 5: maybe we can apply this technology, if you want to
Speaker 5: call it that, even on that sort of level where
Speaker 5: we're you know, meditating on it, projecting it and just
Speaker 5: sort of imagining that sort of a connection between the
Speaker 5: different planes of existence and consciousness, you know, and that
Speaker 5: that can help us, even if we're not the Navy
Speaker 5: Military Intelligence able to really go investigate whatmember that cube
Speaker 5: in that field was and possibly recreate that, maybe we
Speaker 5: can just bring it down to our level right on.
Speaker 1: I want to know, while since you mentioned your manifestation techniques,
Speaker 1: give us an idea of the kind of things that
Speaker 1: we can actually manifest into a reality by using some
Speaker 1: of those techniques.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, My favorite story of manifestation I've done
Speaker 5: so far as my house. One of the houses that
Speaker 5: I bought, and so I was looking for a house
Speaker 5: to buy, right, and I actually like sat down and
Speaker 5: I drew a house, sort of like what people I
Speaker 5: think do when they're calling, like a vision board or something,
Speaker 5: but I don't really know what that is. So I
Speaker 5: just knew that I was going to manifest more powerfully
Speaker 5: if I really could see it. And I can really
Speaker 5: see it if I draw it, and you're also putting
Speaker 5: the energy into it by doing something and connection with it.
Speaker 5: And I put special like ruins and drew tarot cards
Speaker 5: and drew them on there, and I just kind of
Speaker 5: did this little my own spell, right, my own magic.
Speaker 5: I put that away and just expected to find a house.
Speaker 5: And I literally forgot like what I even drew, or
Speaker 5: I knew in my mind. I kind of want this
Speaker 5: type of house. I want like an old farmhouse that's
Speaker 5: turned into our modern house. I want whatever, and I
Speaker 5: want fruit tree if possible, and all this stuff. So
Speaker 5: I'm looking for houses, looking for houses, looking for houses.
Speaker 5: All of them are like they're not really it. I
Speaker 5: don't know, but it's kind of getting to the point
Speaker 5: where it's like, well, I just need to buy a house,
Speaker 5: So I guess I'll just have to like kind of settle.
Speaker 5: So there's this one house we sort of picked and
Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, I guess I like this, I'll
Speaker 5: just buy this house whatever. And I was with my
Speaker 5: boyfriend at the time, and you know, I was like, well,
Speaker 5: let's go eat and then we'll call our real esta agent.
Speaker 5: We'll have him put in an offer or whatever. So
Speaker 5: we were going to go to a totally different spot
Speaker 5: for this is this. We had this spot in mind
Speaker 5: we're going to go to. But on the way, I
Speaker 5: just looked over and I saw this sign for this
Speaker 5: restaurant that like two years before my mother had just
Speaker 5: casually mentioned to me was one of the best restaurants
Speaker 5: she'd ever been to. And I saw it and I
Speaker 5: was like, oh, yeah, that's that restaurant my mom told
Speaker 5: me about way long ago. Like I really want to
Speaker 5: try that place. Actually, So went somewhere we didn't expect
Speaker 5: to go, stopped over at this restaurant, walked in, said
Speaker 5: down on order whatever we're eating, and I'm like, let's
Speaker 5: just on the off chance that something came available right now,
Speaker 5: let's look at Zillo again and just see. And so
Speaker 5: I'm looking and I'm looking and didn't change any filters
Speaker 5: didn't do anything differently. And I'm like, well, there's a
Speaker 5: house right here that I don't remember looking at before.
Speaker 5: And I pulled it up and it's supposedly been on
Speaker 5: Zillo for like thirty days, and I'm like, how did
Speaker 5: I not see this house? So I'm looking at it
Speaker 5: and it's like everything I love. I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: it's like everything I wanted, Like this is the house,
Speaker 5: it's in the price range and everything. I'm like so excited.
Speaker 5: So I'm like, where is it. We have to go
Speaker 5: see it. We have to go whatever. In the meantime,
Speaker 5: I'll add, before I looked at Zillo, I was looking
Speaker 5: out the window and this woman was like watering her
Speaker 5: plants and I was like she it was just funny.
Speaker 5: There's like this little boy across the street and she
Speaker 5: was yelling at him and I was just noticing them. Right,
Speaker 5: she went back inside whatever, and I found this house.
Speaker 5: So I'm like, well, where's this house? When we're done eating,
Speaker 5: we'll just see if we can go look at it.
Speaker 5: At least, I like click on the address. I put
Speaker 5: it up on Maps. I pull it up and I'm like,
Speaker 5: what this Maps is? Confused it's telling me it's like
Speaker 5: in the restaurant with me. I'm like zooming in and
Speaker 5: then I'm like, oh no, it's saying it's across the street.
Speaker 5: And then I'm like, oh, it's that house I'm looking
Speaker 5: at and have been looking at this whole time. That
Speaker 5: woman who was just watering her plants that I was
Speaker 5: laughing at with the little boy whatever was going on
Speaker 5: with them. That's the house that is just popped up
Speaker 5: on Zillow that hadn't been there before. So it gets crazier.
Speaker 5: I walk across the street. I'm like, you're not really
Speaker 5: supposed to do this, but I know she's home because
Speaker 5: I just saw her water in her plants. So I'm
Speaker 5: going to just knock on the door and see if
Speaker 5: she'll just like let us look around maybe like we're
Speaker 5: nice people. So she does. She answers. She's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: come on, come in, buy this house. This house is awesome,
Speaker 5: Like she shows us all around. I'm like, I love
Speaker 5: this house. There's a giant plum tree in the backyard
Speaker 5: that is eighty years old and still produces massive amounts
Speaker 5: of plums. I'm like, this is my dream come true.
Speaker 5: You know, it's awesome. I want to put an offer in.
Speaker 5: Call it real ESCTY agent. Put in the offer, we
Speaker 5: get the house, we move in eventually. I'm like looking
Speaker 5: through whatever my journal and I find a picture of
Speaker 5: the house I had drawn months and months before when
Speaker 5: I was starting to manifest this house, and I drew
Speaker 5: this exact fucking house like egg zact Lee. So when
Speaker 5: she had let us in, there was this black dog
Speaker 5: that she has that was running around and whatever was
Speaker 5: super cute. I'm looking at this picture and I'm like,
Speaker 5: for some reason, I don't have a dog, and I
Speaker 5: drew a black dog in the fucking picture. Like this
Speaker 5: is like how fucking the door was red, the house
Speaker 5: was blued. There's a plum tree in the picture. There's
Speaker 5: a plum tree at the house, Like I fucking created
Speaker 5: this house out of nothing. Or some people say, well,
Speaker 5: what if you just psychically like grabbed from the future.
Speaker 5: I'm like, who cares, what's the difference? That exactly the
Speaker 5: point of manifestation is that you're creating a future in
Speaker 5: the future is creating you now, like you're interconnected, and
Speaker 5: that's the nature of the hypercube, right, So it's like
Speaker 5: transdimensional cross time and space so that that blew my mind.
Speaker 5: I was like, I, A, this is act. This is crazy.
Speaker 5: It's beyond explanation, and all the things that had to happen.
Speaker 5: My mom had to tell me two years prior to
Speaker 5: eat at that restaurant, or it wouldn't have happened. Right, Yes,
Speaker 5: that's crazy, it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I love how you said to you know,
Speaker 1: you made your own type of spell and your own ritual.
Speaker 1: The more I kind of dabble in these things, manifestation
Speaker 1: and you know, magical practices, I find that it's all
Speaker 1: about really your intent behind it, and there's no really
Speaker 1: specific kind of step by step way to do things.
Speaker 1: It's all about really it works better if you make
Speaker 1: it your own, right.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, And this is the thing. I think this
Speaker 5: is why traditional magic can be really effective, is because
Speaker 5: you put so much practice and so much study into
Speaker 5: like Wednesday is the day of whoever and whatever planet,
Speaker 5: whatever color, and at this time, this angel can come
Speaker 5: in and if I'm facing that direction and I say
Speaker 5: this phrase, but you're actually just like, that's just how
Speaker 5: much effort you put into it, And you could do
Speaker 5: the exact same thing, But like I did, right, I
Speaker 5: put that much effort. I sat there and I drew
Speaker 5: that house, and I put that dog in for some reason,
Speaker 5: and I like put the runs on it, and I
Speaker 5: put the cards for it, and I like did my
Speaker 5: thing where I put in all of this effort, all
Speaker 5: of this attention, all of this focus, right, and all
Speaker 5: this expectation then that that would work. And it's the
Speaker 5: same with magic. Right. Part of it is like you
Speaker 5: trust that there's the people who've been writing books about
Speaker 5: it for hundreds of years, and they've all been doing it,
Speaker 5: so why wouldn't it work?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: Some of us need that we need this sort of
Speaker 5: like structure and tradition and to expect that it works.
Speaker 5: But I'm like, oh, I just expect this works anyway.
Speaker 5: I haven't just going to do it my way to.
Speaker 1: Ritual in a house with fifteen windows facing east. Yes,
Speaker 1: slaughter the cow in the matrix of that, right.
Speaker 5: And if you if you really believe in what you're doing,
Speaker 5: it works no matter what it is. And I think
Speaker 5: that's the trick. And some people just can't believe certain
Speaker 5: things can be easy, right, so they need something complicated
Speaker 5: and hard. And there's other people who can believe that
Speaker 5: it can be very simple but they still have to
Speaker 5: put in the effort that energy. So I usually say,
Speaker 5: you know, magic to me is just any time we're
Speaker 5: combining our consciousness right, our our choice, our attention, our focus,
Speaker 5: with our speaking often right of the something like I
Speaker 5: am going to manifest this house, this house is already
Speaker 5: mine and our emotion. So if you combine those three things,
Speaker 5: this action of some kind, this conscious focus on it,
Speaker 5: and the feeling that goes along with it, then that
Speaker 5: is magic. That is how things happen. They happen at
Speaker 5: a very mundane level in that same way. Right, if
Speaker 5: I'm like I'm going to go to Chris's house, I
Speaker 5: decided that, right, and then I'm focusing on it. Now
Speaker 5: I have to act it out and drive it, and
Speaker 5: I probably have an emotion associated with it. Otherwise I
Speaker 5: wouldn't do it. I wouldn't will it if it wasn't
Speaker 5: going to make me happy for fulfilly in some way.
Speaker 2: Right, Ye?
Speaker 1: That on such a small scale, our a massive.
Speaker 5: Scale, right exactly. And then if you can get a
Speaker 5: bunch of other people in on it, right, it's even
Speaker 5: more powerful. So if you're doing this sort of mass
Speaker 5: meditations and mass manifestation, I think those. That's why we
Speaker 5: can actually measure and effect from it, right, And that's
Speaker 5: that Lynn mctager and the Power of eight and her
Speaker 5: sort of research is all about that too. When we
Speaker 5: come together, we have a much larger effect. And again
Speaker 5: I think it's the same sort of thing. I think
Speaker 5: we believe it more because there's more of us doing it.
Speaker 5: We trust it more. We have a bigger emotional field
Speaker 5: when our emotions are connected together and we're taking this action,
Speaker 5: but it's multiplied by however, many people are engaged in it.
Speaker 5: So that's even I really like that too, especially because
Speaker 5: she has studied that you do have a real effect.
Speaker 5: You can lower crime in your area, you can bring
Speaker 5: money and wealth to people, you can heal people from
Speaker 5: even chronic ailments, like we're really powerful beings. And again
Speaker 5: that's what they would like us to not remember and
Speaker 5: not do and not practice, right.
Speaker 1: And I'd like to think because of this very thing
Speaker 1: that you're talking about collective intent and will, that we
Speaker 1: may have manifested a better timeline that we're currently on,
Speaker 1: because it's for awhile it was looking like, oh, we're
Speaker 1: headed to mad Max World and everything's going to shit
Speaker 1: and everybody's gonna get the Jeb and Cuthulu babies are
Speaker 1: gonna pop out in five g's gonna kill everyone. But
Speaker 1: it's never really happened, and we seem to be, you know,
Speaker 1: just kind of hanging in there. Everything's moving along steadily.
Speaker 1: And I like to think that part of that is
Speaker 1: because we all just collectively didn't participate in the bullshit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we had enough collective rising of consciousness, right, And
Speaker 5: that's the thing about that is I think people think
Speaker 5: that's like a magic spell. It kind of is, like
Speaker 5: we were just talking about, the more people you have,
Speaker 5: the more focus you have, the more action you have
Speaker 5: in a direction, the more likely things are gonna go
Speaker 5: that way. But I don't think it's just magic. I
Speaker 5: think we had enough people waking each other up, enough
Speaker 5: people like doing that, living that, being that that, enough
Speaker 5: other people remember that they also can do that and
Speaker 5: be that, and then we just sort of like reach
Speaker 5: critical mass where it was like, Okay, there's enough of you,
Speaker 5: now we can have this timeline instead, and now we're
Speaker 5: going sort of that direction and people are creating I'm
Speaker 5: amazing things like the aquacure. I think you probably had
Speaker 5: retwisement on before, but I've heard of that. Oh, you
Speaker 5: have to be so amazing. The hydrogen therapy is amazing,
Speaker 5: and people are doing actual free energy machines that actually work.
Speaker 5: They're starting to distribute them, and who knows what else.
Speaker 5: Who knows what other technologies could pop up and really
Speaker 5: transform things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we call it magic because we don't
Speaker 1: understand it. It's just a part of our reality, just
Speaker 1: a part of energy that surrounds us at all time,
Speaker 1: a part of our reality that has been suppressed and
Speaker 1: pushed out of our consciousness for so long that we
Speaker 1: think it's woo woo and magical stuff. But it's just
Speaker 1: really the way things work.
Speaker 5: That's absolutely right. I think that underscores everything we've talked
Speaker 5: about today, that this is just actually the universe. This
Speaker 5: is just actually the dimension we're in. This just actually
Speaker 5: is our energy and our place within it, and that's
Speaker 5: how things are. There's like exactly nothing magic about it.
Speaker 5: What is that famous quote? It's like anything sufficiently advanced
Speaker 5: enough will seem like magic, even though it's just technology.
Speaker 5: That's why I love the word technology and to apply
Speaker 5: to this type of thing too. Right, Like you have
Speaker 5: within you the technology of manifestation. You have within you
Speaker 5: the technology to create the universe and the world as
Speaker 5: you see fit. That's your power, that's your birthright.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Now, where is there anything else that we
Speaker 1: should hit on when it comes to the black queue
Speaker 1: before we move on?
Speaker 5: I think we hit it all, I hope. So that
Speaker 5: was all that was floating around in my mind so
Speaker 5: far today.
Speaker 1: Right on now, I want to get into soul retrieval.
Speaker 1: I've talked to different people about I guess different versions
Speaker 1: of how they're doing this. Some of them they reach
Speaker 1: an astral state or have somewhat of an out of
Speaker 1: body experience, and they're able to enter these alternate realms
Speaker 1: or dimensions where spirits of past loved ones are past
Speaker 1: anyone is actually residing there and somehow trapped in these realms,
Speaker 1: and your astral energy in your actual body is actually
Speaker 1: able to assist this soul in crossing over. Is that right?
Speaker 5: That's a little different from the solar trivial that I
Speaker 5: do in the traditions that I've been sort of taught
Speaker 5: to s Yeah, So solar tribal for me is from
Speaker 5: some Native American traditions, and so some of my shamanic
Speaker 5: teachers first performed it on me, and then I sort
Speaker 5: of was actually taught even more so by my own
Speaker 5: guides and allies how to do it in the way
Speaker 5: that works for me. And so it's possibly different for
Speaker 5: many different traditions and many different people. For me, solar
Speaker 5: trivial is that all of us tend to have a
Speaker 5: pretty shattered psyche, you might say, right, or parts of us,
Speaker 5: you might say that we have suppressed and repressed so
Speaker 5: thoroughly that they seem like they're not even us anymore,
Speaker 5: or we forgotten those parts of us so thoroughly that
Speaker 5: we didn't even know we were missing them, right, And
Speaker 5: we can think of this also in psychological terms as
Speaker 5: as again what's repressed and what's suppressed. When people go
Speaker 5: to psychotherapy or they go to hypnotherapy, they sometimes have
Speaker 5: memories resurface, for.
Speaker 1: Example, today our own soul.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, So our own soul gets shattered and
Speaker 5: so many ways, and it can be little, right, So
Speaker 5: we can just have like a sort of phase of
Speaker 5: our life that we kind of suppress some things. But
Speaker 5: then you know, after that we come out of it
Speaker 5: and we're not in the abuse of relationship anymore, we're
Speaker 5: not doing drugs anymore, and things sort of come back
Speaker 5: and we heal them naturally. So sol retrievals for the
Speaker 5: times where we just never got around to that there's
Speaker 5: stuff that we just left and it's just sitting there waiting.
Speaker 5: And a lot of times when people come to me
Speaker 5: and they feel strongly like they have a demonic attachment,
Speaker 5: it oftentimes is actually this this part of themselves that
Speaker 5: is so separate feeling now feels alien and foreign to them,
Speaker 5: and is trying to get their attention so strongly that
Speaker 5: it seems to them like it's attacking them, but it's
Speaker 5: really just like begging for reunification, like can we stop
Speaker 5: being pretending like we're separate because we're actually one. So
Speaker 5: you can't actually live your life cut up into pieces,
Speaker 5: and that's what a lot of us are doing, right,
Speaker 5: and so sole retrieval's goal is to get those pieces
Speaker 5: and bring them back, bring them back into unity.
Speaker 2: And to flow.
Speaker 5: You would never do that with an actual de enter
Speaker 5: to your attachment, because that also exists. You would never
Speaker 5: do that with an external spirit like the soul of
Speaker 5: someone else who's passed on or something, because that's their soul,
Speaker 5: that's their energy. But with your own energy, that you've
Speaker 5: just sort of lost along the way. You can do this.
Speaker 5: Most often they're from past lives, but they're not always.
Speaker 5: Especially people who have suffered severe trauma and this life
Speaker 5: will often have pieces of their soul left in this
Speaker 5: life also. So when I go into the sort of
Speaker 5: astral space in the psychic space with people in ceremony
Speaker 5: for them, sometimes their guides and allies will sort of
Speaker 5: show me like, we're going to go do it a
Speaker 5: sole retrieval. So this is a little different for me
Speaker 5: than it is for a lot of people, a lot
Speaker 5: of practitioners and shamanic workers and healers, they will just say,
Speaker 5: I'll do a solar triebal for you. You know, let's
Speaker 5: do it. I say, I'm not going to pretend like
Speaker 5: I know what needs to happen for you right now,
Speaker 5: because we could do a sore retreeable for any human
Speaker 5: being I've ever met. But are they ready for it?
Speaker 5: I don't know, right so, I'm not that expert, but
Speaker 5: their soul is their guides and allies are. So if
Speaker 5: they tell me and they show me that we're doing that,
Speaker 5: then that's what we're doing. So sometimes they do that,
Speaker 5: and when we're in this space together. That's what happens.
Speaker 5: A lot of times, it happens, I'll say very frequently
Speaker 5: it happens, but not always. So when we do most
Speaker 5: often their guides and allies have to take me in
Speaker 5: a way that seems like we're going pretty far and
Speaker 5: pretty like and there is no real time or space there,
Speaker 5: but it like it feels that way, and it seems
Speaker 5: to take a lot of time and energy to get there.
Speaker 5: So I imagine this is similar to if you were
Speaker 5: doing this instead in something like psychotherapy, that might take many,
Speaker 5: many sets for you to really find the thing that
Speaker 5: is actually at the root of like the issue.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: It feels akin to that for me. So there. You know,
Speaker 5: people have asked me before too. In a conference, I
Speaker 5: was giving a question answer person portion. There was a
Speaker 5: person there who is a psychotherapist, and he said, this
Speaker 5: sounds you know, you're describing your schomonic work and all
Speaker 5: the stuff you do. It sounds really similar to what
Speaker 5: we do in psychotherapy, but just in a really different way.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, it is exactly the same, right, we
Speaker 5: just have different terms for it, different ways, And I
Speaker 5: genuinely feel like my way is a bit faster, a
Speaker 5: bit easier, but you know, everybody needs different ways. I
Speaker 5: did both shaman a healing and went through psychotherapy, and
Speaker 5: they were both amazingly helpful for me. So I'm not
Speaker 5: opposed to any of the modalities that people can find
Speaker 5: to accomplish the same goal of achieving reunification and wholeness, right,
Speaker 5: So yes, it is really similar to that. So well,
Speaker 5: like that, similar to that, it seems to take time
Speaker 5: and a lot of energy for me to go with
Speaker 5: these guides in allies to this place where this soul
Speaker 5: is lying. It's often seemingly guarded by darkness. It's often
Speaker 5: seemingly like pretty hard to find or get to. Again.
Speaker 5: This seems to represent to me the same sort of
Speaker 5: idea that like you've hidden it away, or you've pushed
Speaker 5: it so far away, it's so far foreign feeling to
Speaker 5: you that you're like not even really wanting to access it, right,
Speaker 5: But we eventually usually gets there and find this piece,
Speaker 5: and it looks different for everyone. It actually is like
Speaker 5: an object, like a chunk. Usually sometimes it is their
Speaker 5: soul or like I shouldn't say that, sometimes it is
Speaker 5: their almost like a humanoid form. It's like a shadow
Speaker 5: sort of version of themselves, you know, and sometimes that's
Speaker 5: what we're bringing back. It's different for everyone, which is
Speaker 5: really fascinating. And then we bring it back and sometimes
Speaker 5: there's like a negotiation that has to take place right
Speaker 5: if it is, especially in that humanoid form. Sometimes we
Speaker 5: have to sort of coax them into like convince them
Speaker 5: to come with us, like that's how far away it is,
Speaker 5: that's how hard it is for the person to really
Speaker 5: receive this back into themselves. They didn't really want to.
Speaker 5: It's really hard, it's really painful. That's why we cut
Speaker 5: it off and shucked it away in the first place,
Speaker 5: because we couldn't deal with it. So, you know, that
Speaker 5: could take some doing, and then eventually we can usually
Speaker 5: bring it back to the person. Then the person has
Speaker 5: to accept it or not. And really, really rarely we've
Speaker 5: brought it all the way back and the person has
Speaker 5: been like, no, I'm not taking that right now. And
Speaker 5: so this happened with one person that I remember right now,
Speaker 5: and so we luckily were able to hand that piece
Speaker 5: to one of their guides and allies, and their guide
Speaker 5: now I was like, I will hold this until they're ready,
Speaker 5: and they will be ready, and they even told me
Speaker 5: they will be ready within a year and then we'll
Speaker 5: reintegrate this And I was like, cool, you know, And
Speaker 5: I wasn't supposed to tell them that part. So this
Speaker 5: is also something that happens with me sometimes, as they'll
Speaker 5: tell me, like this part isn't for them to know,
Speaker 5: it's for you to know. Sometimes it is for them
Speaker 5: to know. So all I told them about it was
Speaker 5: a guide or an ally that's holding it and it's
Speaker 5: going to reintegrate at some point. And you know, they're
Speaker 5: telling me, it's going to come into your heart and
Speaker 5: you're going to just feel it and you're going to
Speaker 5: know it. So just don't worry about it. It'll happen
Speaker 5: when it happens, and it's fine. I forgot completely about
Speaker 5: that a year past, so I deal with how many
Speaker 5: people in a year and how many sessions and how
Speaker 5: many whatever, you know, I completely forgot this. This person
Speaker 5: came back for a healing for me. They did not
Speaker 5: remind me of that, Like I wasn't in my conscious.
Speaker 5: They're like, let's do another, you know, healing ceremony. So
Speaker 5: we did it healing ceremony and there was this just
Speaker 5: peace like hanging around them, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: you're just okay, cool, it's already here. We didn't even
Speaker 5: have to work for it, and we reintegrated it. It
Speaker 5: went into their heart. It was this amazing, beautiful thing.
Speaker 5: I just saw the energy and like felt just so much.
Speaker 5: Was just like shedding away and it's really beautiful. A
Speaker 5: bunch of other stuff happened in that ceremony, but when
Speaker 5: we you know, came out and we were talking about it,
Speaker 5: she was like, oh, it finally happened like you said
Speaker 5: it would. And I was like, like, I said it would,
Speaker 5: and she's like, yeah, a year ago you said like
Speaker 5: this piece or something about it was going to come
Speaker 5: into my heart and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: I forgot about that. It was ready, it was ready
Speaker 5: to happen, and it just happens. And you know, that's
Speaker 5: also illustrative of like I said, like, I'm not in
Speaker 5: charge of how it happens or if it's going to
Speaker 5: happen or anything about it. I'm just there to assist
Speaker 5: and witness and you know, help negotiate if needed, you know,
Speaker 5: and be sort of the link that allows this thing
Speaker 5: to happen. And what's really happening is you're doing it
Speaker 5: for yourself the person's doing it for themselves, like they're
Speaker 5: the ones who are ready or not ready. They're the
Speaker 5: ones who are choosing to heal or not to heal.
Speaker 5: And no judgment exists in any of that space, right,
Speaker 5: It all happens in perfect time. But I'm not the timekeeper,
Speaker 5: so I'm just there to observe and assist however I can.
Speaker 1: Now, are these pieces of our soul that we just rejected?
Speaker 1: Is it something that trauma cause? Is this something negative
Speaker 1: about ourselves that we don't like? What's going on with
Speaker 1: these lost pieces?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's all of those things. So you can imagine,
Speaker 5: you know, when people go through something like childhood rape
Speaker 5: or something, right, you might literally just suppress that. That's
Speaker 5: exactly the same that that is what we're talking about, right,
Speaker 5: the part that you were like, Nope, that didn't happen. Nope,
Speaker 5: not going to think about it, like in full rejection
Speaker 5: of this, right, And like we said, you can't actually
Speaker 5: live in rejection of yourself. And no matter how hard
Speaker 5: it is. When I went INTOTO psychotherapy and PTSD therapy,
Speaker 5: I had to do what's called EMDR therapy, which is
Speaker 5: I movement desensitizations something. Anyways, it's this thing you do,
Speaker 5: and the goal of it is to go back to
Speaker 5: a time of trauma. And you know what's happening to
Speaker 5: you physiologically when you experience trauma is that your brain
Speaker 5: sort of shatters the ability to record it as a
Speaker 5: linear memory because it's too overwhelming. There's too much and
Speaker 5: it's too much sensory data, it's too much emotional data,
Speaker 5: and it cannot like keep it in this linear narrative.
Speaker 5: So it's sort of stored all over your brain in
Speaker 5: various packets, and your goal is to go back, relive it,
Speaker 5: and bring it back into linear ability. Part of that
Speaker 5: is then you're able to actually observe it and be
Speaker 5: somewhat detached from it instead of just reacting emotionally to
Speaker 5: the sensory data of it. So again, when you look
Speaker 5: at this, this is the exact same thing we're doing
Speaker 5: in soul retrieval. We're going back to that time where
Speaker 5: the thing was rejected, The part of us was rejected,
Speaker 5: our experience was rejected, our actions or choices were rejected,
Speaker 5: and you're bringing it back into the present consciousness so
Speaker 5: that I describe it as it can reintegrate and go
Speaker 5: into flow. You know, psychologists and psychotherapists describe it as, Oh,
Speaker 5: you're putting it into a linear narrative in your mind,
Speaker 5: but what's the difference. Right, So, trauma is most often
Speaker 5: the trigger that causes us to us to sort of
Speaker 5: cut that chunk off and drop it most often. And
Speaker 5: sometimes that trauma self inflicted, right, Like we do something
Speaker 5: horrifying and we've horrified ourselves and so we're like, I'm
Speaker 5: not gonna nope, I didn't do that, and we block
Speaker 5: that out too. I'm not like that, that's not me.
Speaker 5: It's like, well, it was you in that moment, and
Speaker 5: you do have to actually confront that and deal with
Speaker 5: that and reintegrate it. So it can be both. And
Speaker 5: like I said, sometimes it is from past lives. So
Speaker 5: there's past lives even where we've done something or been
Speaker 5: through something so extreme to us and so incomprehensible to
Speaker 5: us that we have rejected that and we didn't solve
Speaker 5: it in that life, and so it's just hanging around,
Speaker 5: and it's just hanging around, and it's just hanging around.
Speaker 5: And sometimes we experienced this in this life and like
Speaker 5: the sort of idiosyncratic things that we react to strangely
Speaker 5: that not everyone does. So I have some examples if
Speaker 5: you want to hear them from my own life for sure.
Speaker 5: So one of these things I have is that I've
Speaker 5: since I was very little, if anyone touches my neck,
Speaker 5: I like freak out. I'm like, you know, get off me,
Speaker 5: like ah, and I just sort of have what I
Speaker 5: now know is almost like a PTSD like trigger response
Speaker 5: or flashback. I didn't know that at the time, and
Speaker 5: people were just like, damn, she's hello, weird about her neck,
Speaker 5: Like that's weird. So nobody could touch my neck. Nobody
Speaker 5: could touch my neck. One of my first actually, yeah,
Speaker 5: the first life that the first past life memory recall
Speaker 5: I had basically a soul retrieval. I didn't really know
Speaker 5: that I was just doing it on myself, but I
Speaker 5: went back to this life and I had this full
Speaker 5: recall memory of living and it was sort of like
Speaker 5: Cowboy times. So it seems to me to be like
Speaker 5: and I was sitting looking in a mirror, which was
Speaker 5: the coolest part of the memory actually because I was
Speaker 5: looking at a totally different person. But I fully knew
Speaker 5: I was like Lindsay. But I also knew I wasn't Lindsay,
Speaker 5: and I realized this was like a different time. And
Speaker 5: the more I was realizing this, the more I was
Speaker 5: actually just being in that time and forgetting that Lindsay
Speaker 5: even existed. If I'm sitting there, I'm like brushing my
Speaker 5: hair in the mirror, and I'm like, I'm aware that
Speaker 5: things are kind of weird, and i have very strange feelings.
Speaker 5: I feel like something horrible is actually happening, but I'm
Speaker 5: not really sure why. And then someone who I love,
Speaker 5: who's my husband at that in that life, comes up
Speaker 5: behind me, but he's super terrifying to me. All of
Speaker 5: a sudden, I'm like, something is wrong with him, Something's
Speaker 5: really wrong. And then I realized he knows about my
Speaker 5: secret lover. And then he just cuts my neck and
Speaker 5: I die. So I experienced all of that and remembered
Speaker 5: all of that, and I came back to this life
Speaker 5: and I was like crying. And it's very traumatic to
Speaker 5: relive horrible past life memories. Actually it's a lot to
Speaker 5: deal with. So I came back to this life and
Speaker 5: it was very overwhelming. And after I sort of gathered
Speaker 5: myself and you know, went through that, and I just
Speaker 5: sort of naturally did like a forgiveness, like I mean,
Speaker 5: if that really happened, And at the time I really
Speaker 5: wasn't sure. I was like, did I just trip the
Speaker 5: fuck out? Like did I time travel? Like I don't
Speaker 5: really understand what that was. It felt like it was me,
Speaker 5: you know, And later I really understood, like that was
Speaker 5: a past life recall and this was a traumatic memory
Speaker 5: and a traumatic energy that was hanging around, and that's
Speaker 5: why I went to that one naturally to heal that
Speaker 5: and all of that. But at the time I just
Speaker 5: wasn't really sure, but I naturally sort of went into like, well,
Speaker 5: I hope she just like can forgive him, and I
Speaker 5: hope he can just forgive himself, because you know, life
Speaker 5: is crazy and we all make mistakes when we think
Speaker 5: we're these little meat baskets instead of these amazing souls
Speaker 5: or whatever, so like that's all just kind of forgive
Speaker 5: that and let it go. And I kind of even
Speaker 5: felt this like throat energy sort of leaving me, and
Speaker 5: I was like, weird, didn't even notice. I don't know
Speaker 5: how long it took me to notice. Somebody at some
Speaker 5: point touched my neck or something, and I was just like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, it doesn't bother me at all. Anymore right,
Speaker 5: like at all? So a lot of us have these
Speaker 5: things and we don't know why. We're like, why do
Speaker 5: I care so much about this? Why do I react
Speaker 5: to that? Why do I hate that thing? It's almost
Speaker 5: always past life stuff, almost always I found that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Now, for the last few minutes we have, I want
Speaker 1: to talk a bit about spirit attachments.
Speaker 3: First.
Speaker 1: How can you tell the difference between what we were
Speaker 1: just talking about with a piece of your soul that
Speaker 1: is trying to get your attention and an actual spiritual
Speaker 1: attachment that's separate.
Speaker 5: Yes, they're often intertwined. I've never, for example, found someone
Speaker 5: who has either a spirit or a demonic energy attached
Speaker 5: to them that didn't also have a huge denial of
Speaker 5: self or splitting of self or psyche psychic sort of
Speaker 5: damage and trauma. So that's a good thing to know
Speaker 5: because we also then can know the more we heal
Speaker 5: those things, the less those other things even have the
Speaker 5: chance to sort of get to us and attach to us.
Speaker 5: And does that make sense? Yes, yeah, so they're not
Speaker 5: they're not often separate. But the way that I know, again,
Speaker 5: as I go into that psychic space and I go
Speaker 5: into ceremonial space, with some for somebody, and I just
Speaker 5: can see and sense, you know, whatever's happening. And the
Speaker 5: first thing I do is look for those demonic or
Speaker 5: or spirit attachments. And if I seem to see them,
Speaker 5: I asked my allies and guides, like, first of all,
Speaker 5: what is that is?
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 5: Is it as dark and bad as I? Because I'm
Speaker 5: always checking because I'm not going to assume anything in
Speaker 5: that space, you know. And if they say, yes, it is,
Speaker 5: you know, And then I ask them, well, what should
Speaker 5: we do? And most of the time it's like we
Speaker 5: just banish, We just kick it off, and we start
Speaker 5: severing attachments, and then we go looking for the thing
Speaker 5: that is unhealed within us that allowed that thing to attach.
Speaker 5: So you have to do both, right, You have to
Speaker 5: like banish, but then bring the light and the healing
Speaker 5: into that that original space. There's always something like that.
Speaker 5: And if you don't do both, the things just going
Speaker 5: to come back.
Speaker 1: So I consider these spiritual attachments actual intelligence or consciousness
Speaker 1: or just some form of energy.
Speaker 5: Most often it's just some form of energy. Most often
Speaker 5: it's like accumulated. They seem mindless, they seem I call
Speaker 5: them sometimes leeches or gnats, they're just kind of like
Speaker 5: they're feeding. Sometimes it's intelligent evil and it's really rare.
Speaker 1: Have you I'm sure you have, but could you maybe
Speaker 1: give us some of the those rare occurrences that you
Speaker 1: may have experienced.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're very horrifying and dark, and I we'll go light. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I really, I really. I had to confront some of
Speaker 5: my own demonic energies in my life before I ever
Speaker 5: got into this business. So I already had the understanding
Speaker 5: that I am eternally protected and I have that deep,
Speaker 5: unshakable faith, and I think that's necessary to confront or
Speaker 5: face a demonic energy. But more often than not, I'm
Speaker 5: not actually doing the confronting in that space. The guides
Speaker 5: and the allies come in and do that for me.
Speaker 5: So I've had really high level, amazing beings come in
Speaker 5: and do that. And I shouldn't even say for me,
Speaker 5: they're doing it for the person who we're working with,
Speaker 5: right They're they're there guides and allies that have come through.
Speaker 5: But I've had some recognizable like you know, Michael the
Speaker 5: archangel and whatnot, but I've also had ones that I
Speaker 5: didn't even know existed, and I had to go look
Speaker 5: up afterwards and be like, oh, that's actually like a
Speaker 5: thing that okay, cool, Like you know, so that there
Speaker 5: just are. And what I love about this is that again,
Speaker 5: it just encourages my faith even more that there are
Speaker 5: so many beings of love that just are there for you,
Speaker 5: Like all you have to do is know that, and
Speaker 5: they're they're even stronger if you call on them, They're
Speaker 5: they're even stronger, and that they're the ones who can
Speaker 5: just deal with this so easily. Actually, and not if
Speaker 5: you aren't in alignment with it, right, if you're like
Speaker 5: calling in the darkness or you're like feeling like you
Speaker 5: want the darkness or something like, they're not gonna be
Speaker 5: able to do that. But especially in an energy of grace,
Speaker 5: they come in and they can detach this. There was
Speaker 5: one time where, for whatever reason, the sole retrieval actually
Speaker 5: involved going into what I can only sort of describe
Speaker 5: as the energy field of the demon. I don't know
Speaker 5: if it was like a layer or something like. It
Speaker 5: really was very strange and I had never experienced anything
Speaker 5: like that before. And actually one of the allies and
Speaker 5: guides had to like enclose me in its field to
Speaker 5: hide me or else that demonic energy would have known
Speaker 5: we were there, and I don't know what would have happened.
Speaker 5: So that was probably the I'll just say in quotes
Speaker 5: scariest because I still wasn't scared because I have an
Speaker 5: unshakable faith, but I also was very aware of how
Speaker 5: like precarious this situation was that we were in and
Speaker 5: how easily it could go a very different direction from
Speaker 5: how it went. So that was the most intense for me.
Speaker 5: But most of the time it's I'm not really the
Speaker 5: one doing much, just watching. I'm just observing.
Speaker 1: Do you think there's certain things that people do that
Speaker 1: attract these more intelligent, nefarious energies rather than the the
Speaker 1: you know, just the benign attachments is there's certain things
Speaker 1: that you find people are doing to kind of attract
Speaker 1: those more.
Speaker 5: The Specifically, the most often that I have been in
Speaker 5: touch with and worked with has come from ancestral you
Speaker 5: might call it a curse, but it's like somewhere in
Speaker 5: their ancestry they were part of some vow or oath
Speaker 5: that did great evil. They chose to be attached to
Speaker 5: this demon, and so it's still like, oh no, I
Speaker 5: own part of you. This is in your DNA, Like
Speaker 5: this is mine. They feel very entitled to it. They're
Speaker 5: not like so again, they're not coming out of nowhere
Speaker 5: and just being like you are now mine. Hah. Right,
Speaker 5: there was an agreement or a vow or an oath
Speaker 5: or something invited that in and that's where it came from.
Speaker 3: Yeah, can you.
Speaker 1: Talk about that before? Like these contracts that we sometimes
Speaker 1: unknowingly make with entities that for whatever reason, we come
Speaker 1: into contact with our lives, that we have these binding
Speaker 1: kind of contracts that we make and they stay attached
Speaker 1: to us until we can somehow break those right, and they're.
Speaker 5: Really easy to break, really easy. There's this well in
Speaker 5: my experience again, I know there's a lot of people
Speaker 5: who feel like very differently like we were talking about before,
Speaker 5: that you actually have to go through and like on
Speaker 5: this day, at this time with the moon in this phase,
Speaker 5: have this much many feathers and like do this. You
Speaker 5: know you can do it that way. But for me,
Speaker 5: it's really as simple as just saying and knowing and
Speaker 5: believing that you're this powerful and that God is within
Speaker 5: you and God can do anything or Jesus or whoever
Speaker 5: you like, doesn't matter, right, and that you have trust
Speaker 5: and faith in that and just saying I revoke and
Speaker 5: rescind all thouse oaths, contracts, agreements, relationships that I made
Speaker 5: in this or any lifetime with any dark entities, energies,
Speaker 5: beings or otherwise, and I invite in a good, true
Speaker 5: and beautiful God, Jesus, the light source energy to be
Speaker 5: aligned with me, to be in my soul and to
Speaker 5: carry me further. That direction doesn't matter the actual words,
Speaker 5: it's the intent is that you know what you're doing
Speaker 5: right and that you actually do that. It's important that
Speaker 5: you do both. You know, we always banish and then invoke.
Speaker 5: We banish the dark, invoke the light. We get rid
Speaker 5: of the contracts and the agreements, and we make the
Speaker 5: new agreement with the better thing. So it takes that
Speaker 5: place right. And so you also have those allies on
Speaker 5: your side and those guides on your side that are
Speaker 5: of the light, that can assist you in keeping it
Speaker 5: that way. So you know you can do that anytime
Speaker 5: you want. You can do it every day if you want.
Speaker 5: If you feel like, I don't know, what if I
Speaker 5: made some weird agreement in my dreams last night with
Speaker 5: some sneaky little guy, and now I'll do it again,
Speaker 5: like there's no end to that, But it works very
Speaker 5: simply and easily. We have free will. These energies will
Speaker 5: do a lot to try to convince you otherwise. That's
Speaker 5: that whole back to the black cube, right. But that's
Speaker 5: why they put so much effort into it, is they
Speaker 5: need us to believe and agree with them or else
Speaker 5: we're free.
Speaker 2: Right on, man, that's incredible.
Speaker 1: Now, how what would you recommend to people that are
Speaker 1: that realize that they have, you know, some kind of
Speaker 1: issue and it's possible they're wondering if it's a past
Speaker 1: life issue or if it maybe is a spiritual attachment.
Speaker 2: What would you recommend to people?
Speaker 5: Oh, well, they can definitely come to me. I do
Speaker 5: one on one sessions with people. The guidance session is
Speaker 5: really good for people who aren't really sure what's going on,
Speaker 5: but they just want to kind of go in and
Speaker 5: see what comes through or what's happening. If you know
Speaker 5: for sure something kind of dark and big and whatever
Speaker 5: is happening with you. The healing ceremony is good, but
Speaker 5: sometimes the full tuning and alignment sound healing that you
Speaker 5: and I did can even take care of a lot
Speaker 5: of these things on its own, Like it can be
Speaker 5: so powerful and so I do you know, if people
Speaker 5: want to email me or contact me through the page
Speaker 5: at roaguways dot org, I can also suggest what I'm
Speaker 5: sort of feeling like might be best for them. But
Speaker 5: I almost always suggest either the full tuning or the
Speaker 5: guidance session because they both have the capacity to bring
Speaker 5: through messages energies, detach some negative stuff, heal some stuff
Speaker 5: past lives often come up with that I can't remember
Speaker 5: with yours if that happened or not, but it's awful.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, a lot happen, very incredible, and yes, I
Speaker 1: highly recommend the sound healing for sure.
Speaker 5: Awesome And on my page it's called the full Tuning
Speaker 5: in alignment, but it is a sound healing, and so
Speaker 5: that link is also on the site at roagueways dot org.
Speaker 5: There's the spiritual Services tab and if you click on
Speaker 5: that you can just go in and schedule whenever it's
Speaker 5: good for you. You know, Tarot readings are less likely too,
Speaker 5: but they do always bring in healing too, and I
Speaker 5: do a past life tarot reading now, which is can
Speaker 5: be really powerful and bringing some of these old pieces
Speaker 5: back up as well. So there's so many ways to
Speaker 5: go about it, and I just encourage people to trust
Speaker 5: their intuition of what they would feel best about doing,
Speaker 5: because that's what's important too, is that you like what
Speaker 5: you're doing, that you trust what you're doing, that you
Speaker 5: want to be doing it, I think is really important.
Speaker 1: Well, fantastic information as usual, Lindsey. Do you have anything
Speaker 1: interesting you're working on upcoming for the show? Anything else
Speaker 1: you want to talk about.
Speaker 5: I do have an event in about a month on Yeah,
Speaker 5: the winter solstice, we do one Day of Brightness and
Speaker 5: this is on December eighteenth, I want to say, I
Speaker 5: think that's the Sunday that's right before the solstice, so
Speaker 5: that's when we try to do it. It is an
Speaker 5: all day event. We have Phoenix, sorry no, we have
Speaker 5: Marty Leads, the mathemagician, the gnostic, so awesome, such a
Speaker 5: cool guy. So he's going to be there presenting some
Speaker 5: new new material information and guiding us deeper into connection
Speaker 5: with ourselves. We have Joshua Lewis, who is also an
Speaker 5: amazing physical medium and clear audience clairvoyant, so he's going
Speaker 5: to be guiding us through some mediumship and some connecting
Speaker 5: with those who have passed. And then I of course
Speaker 5: always bring us some deep connection and healing energies and
Speaker 5: messages from our guides and allies as well. So it's
Speaker 5: just a really powerful day. And if people want to
Speaker 5: go to that, they can get the tickets in the
Speaker 5: shop at roguways dot org. You'll just scroll just a
Speaker 5: second and see one day of Brightness there and you
Speaker 5: could just buy a ticket if you want to come
Speaker 5: join us. It's on zoom, so it doesn't matter where
Speaker 5: you're at, and I would love to see anybody there
Speaker 5: if you feel called to it. It's always super amazing.
Speaker 5: I'm so grateful I get to do these things.
Speaker 1: Rock on and you're also Roaguways is always available on
Speaker 1: all podcasts and rock fin right.
Speaker 5: Yes, every podcast platform that I know of is available
Speaker 5: on rockfin Sometimes YouTube, but we all know YouTube sucks,
Speaker 5: so Rockfinn's way better rockfinn dot com, slash Roagueways.
Speaker 1: Awesome, Lindsey, thank you so much. We will definitely be
Speaker 1: doing this again in the future.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Chris awesome as always.
Speaker 1: Until next time, everyone, have it next one evening. We'll
Speaker 1: talk again tomorrow. See it in