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<v Speaker 1>From hot air dot com comment on the show to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about his latest column, the column that I mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>at the very beginning of the show about why we

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<v Speaker 1>don't distrust the news media enough. And I have a

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<v Speaker 1>very healthy dose of distrust for most major news media outlets.

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<v Speaker 1>But boy howdy, the BBC has done it to themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>And joining me now to talk about it is David

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<v Speaker 1>Strong from hot air dot com. How you doing, my friend?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? As always when I'm I'm with you, my life

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<v Speaker 2>is perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>See this is just shameless flattery. So I invite him

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<v Speaker 1>back and it works every single time. That and the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that I enjoy his writing so much at hot

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<v Speaker 1>air dot com. So what did BBC do initially? And

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<v Speaker 1>then we'll talk about what they did in their own

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<v Speaker 1>investigation into their own failures from the initial thing that

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to talk about right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the BBC, which has a long and glorious history

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<v Speaker 3>of anti semity, commission a documentary about what it's like

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<v Speaker 3>to survive the war in Gaza and they followed around

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<v Speaker 3>I think a twelve or thirteen year old boy and

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<v Speaker 3>they're showing you how life is so difficult for this

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<v Speaker 3>young man, but how he is gamely following through and

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<v Speaker 3>then and they air this documentary. They push it relentlessly.

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<v Speaker 3>They air the documentary and along comes someone who looked

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<v Speaker 3>into it and they discovered, well, the little boy is

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<v Speaker 3>the son of an official in Hamas. This turned out

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<v Speaker 3>to be just one big propaganda campaign. And of course

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<v Speaker 3>the people who did the documentary knew all about this,

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<v Speaker 3>and they try to argue, well, it doesn't really matter

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<v Speaker 3>that he's the son of a homosophis. Oh he's you know,

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<v Speaker 3>he's a young man and he's in Gaza. And the

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<v Speaker 3>DBC at first was going to push this out worldwide,

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<v Speaker 3>but they got so much pushback that they eventually had

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<v Speaker 3>to pull it and then do an investigation into how

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<v Speaker 3>it happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and this is the thing. First of all, the

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<v Speaker 1>DBC when this was brought to their attention, how do

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<v Speaker 1>you know how it was brought to their attention? Because

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<v Speaker 1>that's I would have loved to see that email.

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<v Speaker 3>I used to know how, But but this the original

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<v Speaker 3>story I wrote maybe two months ago or something like that,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was you know, there there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>attention on the propaganda coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Out of Gaza.

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<v Speaker 3>There's this entire infrastructure called Pellywood, which is, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>sort of the Palestinian Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 2>And people have.

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<v Speaker 3>Figured this out, so they start looking at who the

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<v Speaker 3>people are, and they're actors who show up in videos

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<v Speaker 3>on a regular basis. One day they're a dead body,

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<v Speaker 3>the next day they're a doctor, the next day they're

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<v Speaker 3>a journalist. And the problem is is that any actual

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<v Speaker 3>journalist or anyone employed by a media organization has to

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<v Speaker 3>be approved by Hamas. They're often actually Hamas operatives themselves.

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean, you can understand why this is. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>Hamas is a terrorist organization. You're not going to send

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<v Speaker 3>you're ace reporter in there to get shot if he

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<v Speaker 3>says the wrong thing. But the alternative that they have

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<v Speaker 3>chosen is essentially to report whatever Hamas tells them.

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<v Speaker 1>And without that, the thing that gets me, David is

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<v Speaker 1>that they report it unquestionably right. They just they regurgitate

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<v Speaker 1>the facts that Hamas gives them the Hamas Health Ministry

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<v Speaker 1>without Unfortunately, a lot of people in the West don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a clear understanding that Hamas is entrenched in every

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<v Speaker 1>aspect of the Gaza strip. They are a political system,

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<v Speaker 1>they're a military arm they're an economic wing. They do

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<v Speaker 1>everything So when Hamas they say that the Hamas Ministry

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<v Speaker 1>of Health that is simply another arm of the Hamas

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<v Speaker 1>military wing.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, every doctor, everyone who works in any capacity,

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<v Speaker 3>and whether they're working for the government directly or not.

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<v Speaker 3>And Hamas is the government. So the gods a health

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<v Speaker 3>ministry is Hamas, but everyone who works in the hospitals

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<v Speaker 3>is Hamas. In fact, hostages were kept in the hospitals

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of times. You've got the tunnel entrances for

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<v Speaker 3>the fighters buried in schools, buried in hospitals. Uh, they

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<v Speaker 3>are you know, all the civilian infrastructure, which is by

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<v Speaker 3>the way of war crime.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>That that that is uh one of the definitions of

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<v Speaker 3>a war crime, because you're supposed to avoid uh civilian casualties.

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<v Speaker 3>As soon as you've got soldiers there, it's a legitimate

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<v Speaker 3>target of war. So there's let's just add one thing here,

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<v Speaker 3>because it's not it's it's not just the BBC as

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<v Speaker 3>bad as the BBC is, uh, but the New York Times,

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<v Speaker 3>one of their key reporters there is an actual Nazi.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean he puts up on his uh social media

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<v Speaker 3>all about how he loved Hitler. And when the New

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<v Speaker 3>York Times was confronted with this, they said, well, we

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<v Speaker 3>had a conversation with him, and he's got to keep

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<v Speaker 3>his politics out of the report it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, really, oh my, we we earlier in the show,

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<v Speaker 1>I talked about it, and I don't know if you saw

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<v Speaker 1>this the report from the UN Human Rights Council, which

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<v Speaker 1>is like joke where they did a whole report on

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<v Speaker 1>the quote Israel Gaza conflict that did not mention Hamas

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<v Speaker 1>one time, David.

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<v Speaker 2>Were October seventh.

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<v Speaker 1>That they just talked about October twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>They just glossed over it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just got back from Japan, a long trip in Japan,

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<v Speaker 1>and I went on all these tours in Hiroshima and

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<v Speaker 1>Nagasaki and all of our Japanese tour guides.

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<v Speaker 2>They were very.

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<v Speaker 1>Dedicated to the proposition of showing the horrors of atomic

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<v Speaker 1>war so it never happens again. They are one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent piece nicks. It is genuine. I believe them. But

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<v Speaker 1>boy howdy, they glossed over why we dropped those bombs

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<v Speaker 1>in the first place, right, I mean, it's it's their history.

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<v Speaker 1>But it started to annoy me and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, and now we have the un literally

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<v Speaker 1>just glossing over the atrocities that were committed on October

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<v Speaker 1>seventh in order to justify more hatred at Israel. BBC

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<v Speaker 1>is complicit in this. Their coverage is almost some of

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<v Speaker 1>the worst. I think. I look at them every day,

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<v Speaker 1>every day, and every day I'm disgusted by what I see.

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<v Speaker 1>But what did they discover in their own report on

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<v Speaker 1>their own documentary, what did they what did they cop

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<v Speaker 1>to in their report?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, not enough, but even they admitted that this violated

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<v Speaker 3>their journalistic standards, that it was deceptive, although they claimed

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<v Speaker 3>it was not intentionally deceptive, but it did leave the

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<v Speaker 3>wrong impression. And you know, they are tap danswering around

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that they are a propaganda outlet for Hamas

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<v Speaker 3>and they they happen they are among the worst.

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<v Speaker 2>But you can go back and in twenty fourteen, Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a former Associated Press reporter who quit the Associated Press.

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<v Speaker 2>He was there for five years.

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<v Speaker 3>He was based in Gaza for part of it, and

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<v Speaker 3>he wrote an article in the Atlantic about how their

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<v Speaker 3>offices they co office with Hamas.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh one, does you know, I mean office based in

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<v Speaker 1>Gaza is so expensive, David. They probably got a screaming

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<v Speaker 1>good deal on the rent in Hamas's offices, and I

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<v Speaker 1>mean then they have access to the tunnels right there

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<v Speaker 1>and any weapons they might need. So there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of benefits to partnering up with Hamas for your reporting. So,

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, no big deal, nothing to see here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and this is something you know, it really is

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<v Speaker 3>the equivalent of you know, having someone based in Berlin

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<v Speaker 3>during World War Two and telling you about, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the wonders of the Nazi government and how mean the

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<v Speaker 3>Allies are. The New York Times during the Lamador in Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 3>one of their reporters was a Stalinist who reported from.

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<v Speaker 2>The Soviet Union and he just.

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<v Speaker 3>Flat out lied about whether there was starvation going on.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it was intentional starvation where millions of people died.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a famine caused by the government.

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<v Speaker 3>And he got not a Nobel Prize, a Pulitzer Prize

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<v Speaker 3>for that, and the New York Times refused to give

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<v Speaker 3>it back.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, so there is a long history.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, journalists not just injecting their own politics and

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<v Speaker 3>the we I mean, let's face it, all, all of us,

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<v Speaker 3>even when we try to be objective, have a hard

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<v Speaker 3>time separating out our opinions from how we spend stories

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<v Speaker 3>consciously or unconsciously. But there's a difference between that and

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<v Speaker 3>pure propaganda. And the New York Times is a long

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<v Speaker 3>history going back nearly one hundred years of being a

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<v Speaker 3>propaganda organization. The BBC is a government mouthpiece, as is PBS,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's always the most left wing parts of the

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<v Speaker 3>government that go into communications.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let me ask you this. Did you see the

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<v Speaker 1>news that the New York excuse me, the Washington Post

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<v Speaker 1>is sent out an email that said, Hey, we're looking

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<v Speaker 1>to to you know, basically go.

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<v Speaker 2>Right down the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>We're looking to win back the trust of the American people,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're looking to do it in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>focuses on real journalism. And if if you're not comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>with this, you should probably take an employee buyout, is

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<v Speaker 1>their hope. Because obviously Jeff Bezos is looking at the

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Post and saying, we're still shedding, you know, subscribers,

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<v Speaker 1>because I subscribed to the Post for probably, i don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>probably fifteen years until a few years ago where I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, what am I paying for? I'm literally paying

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<v Speaker 1>to be insulted my intelligence, my value system. Every single

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<v Speaker 1>day is their hope? You know, when Jeff Katz took

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<v Speaker 1>over at CNN, I was hopeful. I thought, okay, maybe,

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<v Speaker 1>well we all know how that did not end well

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<v Speaker 1>for him. So what about the Washington Post? Is there

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<v Speaker 1>hope that the ownership of this paper of the La Times,

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<v Speaker 1>which is doing a very similar thing with their editorial page,

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<v Speaker 1>are they going to be able to turn this thing around?

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<v Speaker 1>Or is the profession of journalism hopelessly corrupted by J

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<v Speaker 1>schools that are all left wing, by organizations that are

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<v Speaker 1>all left wing. They all operate in a bubble. Can

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<v Speaker 1>we save this entire thing?

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<v Speaker 3>Well? I mean the personnel is policy, right, you know

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<v Speaker 3>who you hire matters quite a bit. And if you

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<v Speaker 3>go back to the golden age of journalism, journalists were

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<v Speaker 3>essentially the sort of high end, blue collar job.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, nobody went to a j school.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, these are people who many of them never

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<v Speaker 3>went to college. They're just they're just good at writing

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<v Speaker 3>and cynical.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, the.

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<v Speaker 3>Current crop of journalists have all gone through these indoctrination centers.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it's going to be very hard.

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<v Speaker 3>For the credential obsess elite institutions to reform even when

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<v Speaker 3>their leadership knows it's got to happen. And so I

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<v Speaker 3>think that the center of gravity, certainly of journalism, is

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<v Speaker 3>going to keep moving towards independent journalism. Places like the

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<v Speaker 3>Free Press, Washington Examiner, and you know, the Free Press

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<v Speaker 3>is great because they have, you know, spans from center

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<v Speaker 3>left to center right right, you know, the the you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Washington Examiner, and you know, a few other organizations tend

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<v Speaker 3>to lean a little bit right.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and I don't want that. I don't want an overcorrection.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want a bunch of hardcore right leaning. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want that either. That's one of the reasons that

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<v Speaker 1>I became a subscriber to the Free Press almost immediately

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<v Speaker 1>for exactly what you said. They've got viewpoints from both

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<v Speaker 1>of the aisle, but they don't have the fringe on

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<v Speaker 1>either side, and it is refreshing to read robust discussions

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<v Speaker 1>about things and both sides of the issue. So I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, you know, I kind of hope they get

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<v Speaker 1>it together.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure they can pull it off. But maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the BBC learned a lesson, But somehow I doubt it.

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<v Speaker 1>What I know, oh, go ahead, did no I.

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<v Speaker 2>Doubt it as well.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that organizations like the New York Times,

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<v Speaker 3>the BBC, PBS. We saw with CNN, they tried and

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<v Speaker 3>they tried, and it just didn't work. And some of

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<v Speaker 3>it's the economics. People want to be told what they

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<v Speaker 3>believe already, which is why you're seeing this increasing divide

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<v Speaker 3>between the right and left wing media sphere. The market

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<v Speaker 3>for news that's just news is a lot smaller than

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<v Speaker 3>what we would like, and so the reason why CNN

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<v Speaker 3>had the tack back laughed is they kept on losing

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<v Speaker 3>their core audience.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're tired. Yeah, their tiny audience. David Strom writes

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<v Speaker 1>every day at hot air dot com. He is prolific

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<v Speaker 1>and I'd urge you to go check out his work. David,

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<v Speaker 1>it's good to see you again, and thanks for continuing

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<v Speaker 1>to do what you do. I'm there every day on

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<v Speaker 1>the other side of the computer screen reading what you wrote,

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<v Speaker 1>so just know that.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, that's exciting. I like being in the same room

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<v Speaker 3>with you. Metaphors.

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<v Speaker 1>David will talk again soon, my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>All right bye, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>That is David Strong from hotair dot com.