Speaker 1: It's Night's Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBSY Causton's new radio.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Dann Watkins. I appreciate a little promo every
Speaker 2: now and then. I am here tonight for the rest
Speaker 2: of the show up until midnight. I'll be here Thanksgiving tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I'll be here Friday on the last night side of
Speaker 2: the week, and my own show is on Saturday ten
Speaker 2: to midnight. If somebody were to invent a weapon, a
Speaker 2: gun that would not be lethal, would you want to
Speaker 2: own that gun?
Speaker 3: Knowing that.
Speaker 2: At times a reason does come across your life where
Speaker 2: you would have to use a gun. It's very rare.
Speaker 2: Most of us have never had to hold and be
Speaker 2: prepared to shoot a gun. But there are those where
Speaker 2: that circumstance presents itself. Well, somebody has invented a non
Speaker 2: lethal gun. True story. I sat next to him on
Speaker 2: the flight back from Vegas last May and we got
Speaker 2: to talking. We told each other about each other, and
Speaker 2: I loved his story. I took his business card, contacted
Speaker 2: him and interviewed him in June. Coincidentally, it was a
Speaker 2: Dan Ray Nightside, and now he's back for his second
Speaker 2: appearance on BZ. Brian Gamps Welcome back to WBZ.
Speaker 4: Thanks Morgan, it's great to chat with you again again.
Speaker 2: Yes, tell people about your gun or guns. I'm sure
Speaker 2: there are a bit a variety of them. Tell people, yes,
Speaker 2: this invention.
Speaker 4: Well, I've been a gun owner my entire adult life,
Speaker 4: as I explained to you, but I had an experience
Speaker 4: maybe ten years ago. It caused me to really question
Speaker 4: whether owning a gun was really enough, was it really
Speaker 4: the right thing. And it happened when I got involved
Speaker 4: in a road rage incident. I was driving admittedly fast
Speaker 4: in a fancy sports car and some guy you know,
Speaker 4: really took offense to it, got right on my behind.
Speaker 4: I sped up, he sped up. I slowed down, He
Speaker 4: slowed down, and I got scared, and I pulled off
Speaker 4: to the side of the road, thinking that he'd go
Speaker 4: around me, but he didn't. He pulled it right behind
Speaker 4: me and he got out of the car. Now, as
Speaker 4: a gun owner, I had my nine millimeter glock in
Speaker 4: the glove box, and I'm thinking to myself, do I
Speaker 4: get out with the gun or do I not get
Speaker 4: out with the gun. And I decided to get out
Speaker 4: without my gun because I felt like nothing good could
Speaker 4: come from getting out carrying my gun, and it was
Speaker 4: actually a big mistake. And this guy, he bumb brushed me.
Speaker 4: He was bigger, younger, faster, stronger, meaner, and he really
Speaker 4: went off on me. And it was at that moment
Speaker 4: that I realized that unless I was willing to kill him,
Speaker 4: the gun really was of no value to me. And
Speaker 4: even to this day, I would never have taken a
Speaker 4: life over a road rage incident. But it was at
Speaker 4: that time that we decided that I decided that we
Speaker 4: wanted to do something where we could give gun owners
Speaker 4: like myself an alternative where we could stop at assailants.
Speaker 4: We could this arm disabled deter without the risk of
Speaker 4: taking a life or without causing permanent injury. And that
Speaker 4: was really the genesis of the burner and spell burner
Speaker 4: for me, So Burna is b y r na and
Speaker 4: my name is b r y a N, So it's
Speaker 4: just an anagram of my name. But we we came
Speaker 4: up with with burner because the effect when you get
Speaker 4: hit with one of these pellets is an intense burning sensation.
Speaker 4: They're filled with olioreesin, capsaicin, pepper and tear gas, and
Speaker 4: your skin feels like it's on fire. Your eyes closed
Speaker 4: sort of involuntarily. We refer to as temporary blindness. You're
Speaker 4: in respiratory distress. Most people will drop whatever they're holding,
Speaker 4: fall to the ground. So because it was you know,
Speaker 4: it burned you, we wanted to call it a burner.
Speaker 4: But of course when you google burner, this forty t
Speaker 4: three million results. So he came up with a more
Speaker 4: clever way of saying berner.
Speaker 2: All right, and who buys a burner? Who are the people?
Speaker 2: I know you must do your research. Who are the
Speaker 2: people who set out to buy a burner? And I'm
Speaker 2: going to ask the question the approximate price?
Speaker 4: Go? Okay, So we're going to be announcing this month
Speaker 4: that we're we will have sold our five hundred thousandth
Speaker 4: burn up so half a million burners in the last
Speaker 4: five years. So we are clearly addressing an unmet need
Speaker 4: in the market. You know, years ago, when we were
Speaker 4: developing this, I would go to gun shows with the
Speaker 4: prototype and I would say, you know, I don't know
Speaker 4: how quick i'd be to pull the trigger, and if
Speaker 4: I make a mistake, you know, is that a fatal
Speaker 4: mistake for me? And I would see other gun owners
Speaker 4: nodding their head so it was clear to us that
Speaker 4: gun owners part of our audience. And right now, depending
Speaker 4: on the month, we're anywhere between sixty five and seventy
Speaker 4: percent of our audience our gun owners. And they're gun
Speaker 4: owners that are looking for a less you know, lethal
Speaker 4: way of defending themselves. But you know, thirty to thirty
Speaker 4: five percent are non gun owners for whatever reason, you know,
Speaker 4: whether they're philosophically opposed, or they've got small kids at home,
Speaker 4: or or their wife tells them there she's going to
Speaker 4: divorce them, they buy a gun, but they still want
Speaker 4: some way to protect themselves. So, you know, we we
Speaker 4: think that probably over time we'll start to see more
Speaker 4: and more non gun owners adopted BURNA. But at this
Speaker 4: point it's you know, it's skews a little bit older
Speaker 4: our target audiences, you know, say between forty five and
Speaker 4: sixty five. It skews a little bit more male. It's
Speaker 4: about sixty forty male female, and it skews more towards
Speaker 4: gun owners. And as I said, it's sixty five seventy
Speaker 4: percent gun owners, thirty thirty five percent non gun owners.
Speaker 4: Sort of the demographic makeup in terms of ethnicity, it's
Speaker 4: you know, almost exactly what America looks like.
Speaker 3: Okay, and.
Speaker 2: Five years ago, so there there has there have been
Speaker 2: four or five Christmases and Harnicus, let me just say
Speaker 2: holidays in December where the cross section of Americans who
Speaker 2: could buy this have purchased this. What does your demographic
Speaker 2: look like for December holidays twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4: Well, we're in the middle of our Black Friday Cyber
Speaker 4: Monday sale right now, started on Monday. And because we're
Speaker 4: a consumer product, we are somewhat seasonal. Q four is
Speaker 4: our best quarter. We are actually a November fiscal filer.
Speaker 4: So in other words, our year end ends this Saturday,
Speaker 4: and we will be announcing and I'm not telling any
Speaker 4: secrets here because I already publicly announced this as we
Speaker 4: are a public company, but we'll be running at north
Speaker 4: of one hundred million dollar annual run rate for this
Speaker 4: last quarter, and that's up from about an eighty five
Speaker 4: million dollar run rate in Q three. So we are seeing,
Speaker 4: you know, stronger sales during the Christmas holiday, and again
Speaker 4: it is you know, it's the same demographic that we
Speaker 4: see all year all year long. There has been more
Speaker 4: and more normalization of the product as as more people
Speaker 4: become used to it. You know, We're we have a
Speaker 4: retail store in Las Vegas, which is where you and
Speaker 4: I were when we met. But we're opening up a
Speaker 4: retail store right up in Salem, New Hampshire. We're opening
Speaker 4: one in Nashville, Tennessee. We're opening a retail store in
Speaker 4: Fort Wayne and Pasadena in Scottsdale, so that we can,
Speaker 4: you know, frankly, so that we can both you know,
Speaker 4: meet our audience, meet our customers where they live, and
Speaker 4: also get better demographic information.
Speaker 2: And one question that I have to take a break,
Speaker 2: actually two questions. How can people order one? And what
Speaker 2: safeguards do you have that a person ordering one is
Speaker 2: legally old enough to own it?
Speaker 4: Okay, So first, there is no prohibition for anybody to
Speaker 4: own the Burno. So even if you're less than eighteen
Speaker 4: in Massachusetts, you can still own the burner. It is
Speaker 4: state by state that said, we require you to over
Speaker 4: eighteen years of age to buy the burner, just like
Speaker 4: a regular gun, because this is not a toy, and
Speaker 4: although it is non lethal, it is still very very
Speaker 4: much a weapon.
Speaker 2: Right all right, let me take my break, and I'm
Speaker 2: going to give the phone numbers and when I had
Speaker 2: you on in June. We got a handful of phone numbers.
Speaker 2: I expect that's a possibility tonight. Here are Night seven
Speaker 2: six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty, eight eight, eight,
Speaker 2: nine two, nine, ten thirty. If you want to call
Speaker 2: in and speak to Brian Gans, he's here and I've
Speaker 2: got news specifically for you. And it's a promise I
Speaker 2: made to you thirty five thousand feet in the air
Speaker 2: between Las Vegas and Boston. You might not remember, but
Speaker 2: I don't forget promises. Time and temperature nine sixteen forty
Speaker 2: one degrees.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray Live. I'm the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Brian Gans is here and he and his company have
Speaker 2: created a non lethal gun. You hear the word gun
Speaker 2: and you think of the eventuality of somebody being killed
Speaker 2: by those little pellets that come out of the nozzle.
Speaker 2: They've come up with a way of making that pellet
Speaker 2: a bullet non lethal. You want to give a call?
Speaker 2: Excuse me? You want to give a call? Is one
Speaker 2: open line six seven, five, four, ten thirty or eight eight, eight,
Speaker 2: nine to nine ten thirty. And before we go any further,
Speaker 2: Brian I made a promise to you. We got talking
Speaker 2: about TV and media and a favorite TV shows. Do
Speaker 2: you remember that conversation.
Speaker 4: I do, but I'm sure I don't remember it as
Speaker 4: well as you do. Morgan.
Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned to me your favorite TV character.
Speaker 4: And I and that of course had to be Maxwell Smart. Correct.
Speaker 2: Now I can't get him, But on the thirtieth of December,
Speaker 2: I've got Barbara feldon for you. Oh my god, you
Speaker 2: mentioned her specifically, She's going to be on that evening
Speaker 2: at eleven. I tried to get her for tonight so
Speaker 2: she could come on after you, but the scheduling just
Speaker 2: didn't work out.
Speaker 4: Well, that's very exciting. I have to admit that somewhere
Speaker 4: in my chain of my ATM code is ninety nine
Speaker 4: because that was always my favorite.
Speaker 2: All right, tell you what. Let's take phone calls. Millis
Speaker 2: is the community, Alex is the caller.
Speaker 5: Alex good evening, Hey, how you doing, Hi, Brian? Happy Thanksgiving?
Speaker 4: Hey, Morgan?
Speaker 3: Thanks to you.
Speaker 5: Good. At one point I was a gun owner, and uh,
Speaker 5: my lovely wife decided that, uh, you know, we shouldn't
Speaker 5: have one in the house. And I listened to her,
Speaker 5: and I I was wondering, what okay, First off, do
Speaker 5: you do you think that this gun was this non
Speaker 5: lethal gun? How was it tested? In other words, Uh,
Speaker 5: you know trials and everything. I mean, if there is
Speaker 5: such a thing, and how effective it would be. And
Speaker 5: also do you have any retail stores you know in Massachusetts?
Speaker 4: Uh? First off, as I mentioned earlier, we've sold about
Speaker 4: five hundred thousand units. Uh, and there's uh, there's about
Speaker 4: three thousand real world cases of this being used. It's
Speaker 4: been used by law enforcement, it's been used by consumers
Speaker 4: to stop karjackings, muggings, you home invasions, and throughout all
Speaker 4: of this, not a single life has been lost or taken.
Speaker 4: In fact, I was just down in Argentina two weeks ago.
Speaker 4: I was a meeting with the vice president of Argentina
Speaker 4: because we've opened up a factory in there to serve
Speaker 4: the Argentinian market, and we sold about twenty five thousand
Speaker 4: units last year into Argentina, including to the Cordova Police force.
Speaker 4: And they came back to us with some really interesting stats.
Speaker 4: They've used the burn of fifteen hundred times and they've
Speaker 4: arrested eleven hundred and six people. There was only one
Speaker 4: serious injury, and it was somebody that got shot in
Speaker 4: the eye. Although they did not lose the eye, they
Speaker 4: ended up going to the hospital, but it was phenomenally effective.
Speaker 4: It will stop and assailants. And if you go online,
Speaker 4: our website is w ww dog Burna dot com. If
Speaker 4: you go online, there's hundreds of videos showing the real
Speaker 4: world effects of this. Also, if you go online, you
Speaker 4: can go to our dealer locator and it will tell
Speaker 4: you where the nearest dealer is. But as I mentioned
Speaker 4: earlier in the show, we are opening up a company
Speaker 4: owned retail store in Sale in New Hampshire. It'll be
Speaker 4: open in January. And the beauty of that store is
Speaker 4: you will be able to go in and shoot the launcher.
Speaker 4: You'll be able to demo the product. Because for a
Speaker 4: gun owner like yourself, there is a real aha moment
Speaker 4: when you shoot the Burna, you know, like all gun owners,
Speaker 4: you know, I came to it with a fair amount
Speaker 4: of skepticism, you know, but as soon as you shoot it,
Speaker 4: you know, you realize I don't want to be on
Speaker 4: the receiving end of this, that this is not a toy.
Speaker 4: This is a very very serious weapon. And I think
Speaker 4: it's the reason that at our retail stores we have
Speaker 4: an eighty percent conversion rate. That means, you know, if
Speaker 4: ten people go to the range and shoot the launcher,
Speaker 4: eight of them buy it. And there's also kind of
Speaker 4: an interesting aha moment for non gun owners. I was
Speaker 4: just when I was down in Argentina, I was shooting
Speaker 4: real firearms with the Vice President, and you sort of
Speaker 4: forget how loud they are, what incredible recoil they have.
Speaker 4: I mean, it is a really jarring experience shooting a
Speaker 4: real firearm, and I think for a lot of people
Speaker 4: that don't own a gun, it's intimidating. But then they
Speaker 4: shoot the berna. We are one sixteenth as loud as
Speaker 4: a real firearm, there is no recoil, and they say,
Speaker 4: you know what, I can handle this.
Speaker 3: Let me ask a real alex on On.
Speaker 2: I have a question, if you go to a shooting range,
Speaker 2: of which there are dozens all over the state of Massachusetts,
Speaker 2: will you be allowed to use a burner in that
Speaker 2: environment or not?
Speaker 4: Likely not. It's up to the individual range. But the
Speaker 4: range that I belong to, for example, will not allow
Speaker 4: these weapons to be used. But the beauty of the
Speaker 4: burner is you can use it in your backyard. You
Speaker 4: can use it in your basement. We sell you know,
Speaker 4: targets that will catch the practice rounds so that it's
Speaker 4: very easy to practice with. And like anything, you know,
Speaker 4: you you need to practice. You know, we deal with
Speaker 4: law enforcement quite a bit and they have a saying.
Speaker 4: And the thing is, when you're confronted, you never rise
Speaker 4: to the occasion. You fall back on your training. So
Speaker 4: when the adrenaline's pumping, when your heart rates, you know,
Speaker 4: three hundred beats a minute, you need to make sure
Speaker 4: it's not the first time that you've used the weapon,
Speaker 4: you know. So we encourage people to go in their
Speaker 4: backyard and practice. And honestly, you know, I have three daughters.
Speaker 4: They all thought I was a Neehanderthal, you know, for
Speaker 4: owning a gun, But when I got them at Burna,
Speaker 4: they really, you know, sort of fell in love with it.
Speaker 4: And you know, I've got to I was in Barnstable
Speaker 4: when we are cooking outside, we shoot cans off the
Speaker 4: dock and and they've become, you know, real fans of it.
Speaker 3: Right, Alex, any of the questions.
Speaker 5: I was going to say, you don't have to be
Speaker 5: a marksman. In other words, you know, if you're a
Speaker 5: gun owner, usually you go to the you know target
Speaker 5: and you practice to you know, hitting the target. How
Speaker 5: accurate is this in or does it give you a
Speaker 5: room for you know er?
Speaker 4: Yeah? First off, it's very accurate. I'm more accurate my
Speaker 4: burner than I am with my glock nineteen. And for
Speaker 4: one very simple reason, or probably two reasons. One is
Speaker 4: there's no recoil, so you can you know, you can
Speaker 4: hold it study. The second is you can see the round.
Speaker 4: So the round's traveling at around between three hundred and
Speaker 4: three and fifty feet per second, and you can see
Speaker 4: it and you can see where it hits, so you
Speaker 4: can easily correct. Whereas with a firearm, a gun is
Speaker 4: shooting at six seven hundred feet per second, it's very
Speaker 4: hard to see the bullets and make that correction. So
Speaker 4: you are back more accurate. Now give saying that it
Speaker 4: is a pistol, and pistols have inherent limitations because they're
Speaker 4: not a very stable platform. But we say that our
Speaker 4: launcher is effective to sixty feet. Okay, find Alex.
Speaker 3: I'm coming up on news, so I gotta let you go.
Speaker 4: Thank you, good Happy Thanksgiving, Happy thanving Thanksgiving to you too.
Speaker 2: Thank you for making the call. I have one line open.
Speaker 2: I've got Phil in Boston and Diane and Belle Rica holding.
Speaker 2: They're going to have to wait till after the news
Speaker 2: hit as well. But if you want to dial six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty or eight eight, eight, nine to nine,
Speaker 2: ten thirty, it's open available to you. People are trying
Speaker 2: to sneak in and calling on the contest line. I
Speaker 2: prefer that you don't do that. I know we used
Speaker 2: to have full lines. One of them is inoperable, but
Speaker 2: you know I can't forbid.
Speaker 3: You from doing it.
Speaker 2: But I can say Rob takes a dim view and
Speaker 2: he is my call screener. So on that note, you
Speaker 2: know what you gotta do. You want to join this conversation,
Speaker 2: and as you can tell, this is a very serious
Speaker 2: conversation on Nightside.
Speaker 3: I'm about to.
Speaker 2: Take my break. Time nine thirty, temperature forty one degrees.
Speaker 1: You're on the Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBZ,
Speaker 1: Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2: Thank you for choosing Nightside for your evening's entertainment. I'm Morgan.
Speaker 2: Morgan White Junior. Have been part of bz's landscape. Nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety six is a good target year and I've been
Speaker 2: here since then, looking forward to being here for another
Speaker 2: ten twenty years. I've got Brian Dance, g A and
Speaker 2: Z joining me, and his company has invented a non
Speaker 2: lethal gun. The projectile it fires will not kill you,
Speaker 2: but it will make you slow down. And are you
Speaker 2: ready to take another call?
Speaker 4: Brian, very very happy to take another call.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Phil in Boston. Phil, Happy
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving and welcome to night's side, Phil, Phil going once.
Speaker 2: All right, we'll push the button and eliminate Phil. And
Speaker 2: let's go to Diane and Belle Rica. Diane, I'm hoping
Speaker 2: you are there.
Speaker 6: Yes, di am, How are you?
Speaker 3: I am find How are you.
Speaker 4: Diane?
Speaker 2: How do you feel about a weapon that will stop
Speaker 2: a bad guy but won't kill the bad guy?
Speaker 6: Well? I have an interesting story. My little brother, when
Speaker 6: he was thirty years old, was murdered by the police
Speaker 6: in New York. He suffer some mental illness, and I
Speaker 6: think this is a wonderful product. My mother fought with
Speaker 6: the police department in New York for ten years to
Speaker 6: the change for having She wanted a kick like with
Speaker 6: for not only or four. I think every police station, sheriff, station,
Speaker 6: fair crisis censor should have this weapon.
Speaker 3: All right, let's give write a chance to respond to that. Ryan.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, I think that we're benefiting from two countervailing
Speaker 4: trends in America. So I think that, you know, people
Speaker 4: are afraid crime is up, perception of crime is up,
Speaker 4: and they want some way to protect themselves and their families.
Speaker 4: And in fact, you've seen significant increase in gun ownership.
Speaker 4: At the same time, I think most Americans are fed
Speaker 4: up with the epidemic of gun violence. And that's not
Speaker 4: just gun violence from civilians, it's also from police. And
Speaker 4: I think, you know, they're looking for a non lethal
Speaker 4: way for the police to carry out their mission. You know,
Speaker 4: I think it's really important to understand that the vast
Speaker 4: majority of altercations do not require lethal force. As I
Speaker 4: said before, even though this guy in the road rage
Speaker 4: incident came after me, there is no way I was
Speaker 4: going to take his life over a road rage incident
Speaker 4: unless he had gotten out of the car with his
Speaker 4: lethal weapon. So, you know, I do think that there
Speaker 4: is a really important place for a non lethal product
Speaker 4: that is effective.
Speaker 3: All right, Diane, And do you own a gun?
Speaker 6: Dank, No, No, I don't. I've been considering it. But
Speaker 6: the election went the other way, so I get them
Speaker 6: safe right now.
Speaker 3: Would you purchase a gun.
Speaker 6: For yourself, Yes, yes, I have considered it a lot,
Speaker 6: but I travel a lot for work and a lot
Speaker 6: of times I wouldn't be able to bring it probably
Speaker 6: out of state. I would have to get like a
Speaker 6: commitment for all the states because I.
Speaker 4: And Diane that's that's one of the benefits of the burner. So, uh,
Speaker 4: we we live sort of on the New Hampshire border.
Speaker 4: We're up in andover Massachusetts. We've got a lot of
Speaker 4: employees that come from andover that were you know, that
Speaker 4: are gun owners and couldn't go across state lines with
Speaker 4: their uh lethal firearm. But the burner is legal in
Speaker 4: fifty states, so it is interstate travel friendly. And I
Speaker 4: think that's a really important thing for people that are
Speaker 4: gun owners.
Speaker 6: No I I I absolutely love this idea, and you
Speaker 6: should really look up with the group. They're called Stolen
Speaker 6: Lives and it's about it's a group that helps family
Speaker 6: deal with their loved ones, apports the country that were
Speaker 6: warmly murdered by law enforcement. And I bet you they
Speaker 6: would help you a little mouse this everywhere.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting. It's interesting because we get so many
Speaker 4: different you know, groups of people from Biden supporters, Trump
Speaker 4: supporters that are interested in this product. I think this
Speaker 4: is really a nonpartisan product.
Speaker 6: No, it is absolutely Yeah.
Speaker 2: I want to say thank you for the call, and Julia,
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving with you and your family.
Speaker 6: And can I tell you one thing? You want to
Speaker 6: know why people are calling on the contact line? Because
Speaker 6: be and lets that be a women's only line.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, okay, well I will make that same offer,
Speaker 2: and right now all of our lines are full.
Speaker 6: You have a happy Thanksgiving and I love your product
Speaker 6: and I can't wait to get it.
Speaker 4: Thanks, have a great Thanksgiving.
Speaker 6: Tell you too.
Speaker 3: All right, see you sold one being on the air.
Speaker 4: More.
Speaker 2: Let's go to Phil in Boston, who we would have
Speaker 2: had and he called back to say he fell asleep
Speaker 2: or whatever. Hello Phil, can you hear me?
Speaker 3: No, loud and clear? Phil?
Speaker 7: Oh? Good? First all, Brian, it's a good idea. But
Speaker 7: you mentioned that road racing and that was all the
Speaker 7: time in Boston. Unfortunately, years ago I had a road race.
Speaker 7: I had a non lethal weapon with me. The gentleman
Speaker 7: to my right had a baseball bet we exchange whatever
Speaker 7: I use. The eye to my head it was faulty
Speaker 7: and I get myself sprayed more than he did. The
Speaker 7: bottom line is when the police came, they were going
Speaker 7: to charge me with assault and battery with a dangerous weapon.
Speaker 7: Just by luck, I said, just by luck, I was
Speaker 7: going to go to the ga. The guy said, the
Speaker 7: guy get a baseball bat. So luckily that's the only
Speaker 7: thing that's saying you from getting arrested that day. Get
Speaker 7: my cot told. And I'm not knocking your product, but
Speaker 7: the point is, have you you mentioned the one thing
Speaker 7: with the eye thing? Is one of the negative things
Speaker 7: about having said, Yeah, are you pout to be prepared
Speaker 7: to get arrested and told? And tag? I think I
Speaker 7: made good of the house as a backup, but yeah,
Speaker 7: I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: What I would what I would say say to you, Phil,
Speaker 4: is that the burner, like anything else, is a weapon.
Speaker 4: And we get this question all the time because we
Speaker 4: say to our customers, if you are arrested for the
Speaker 4: use of a burner in a legitimate case of self defense,
Speaker 4: we will pay for your defense. And we get people
Speaker 4: calling us on a pretty regular basis, and we get
Speaker 4: the police report and it turns out that it was
Speaker 4: really not a legitimate case of self defense. Somebody walked
Speaker 4: on your lawn and the guy threatened them with a burner.
Speaker 4: It would be the same thing if it were a
Speaker 4: baseball bat or if it were a hammer. So if
Speaker 4: you go on our website, you'll see on the FAQs
Speaker 4: when you can legally use the burner and when you
Speaker 4: cannot legally use the burner, but you can use it
Speaker 4: in a legitimate case of self defense without fear of prosecution.
Speaker 2: Brian, you go a website, Phil, hold on, Brian, give
Speaker 2: your website. So thirty eight states and parts of Canada
Speaker 2: have that information.
Speaker 4: Okay, So our website is www dot burna BYRNA dot com.
Speaker 7: All right, and Phil, yep over the describe the situation
Speaker 7: of my man in her household. I don't know about
Speaker 7: that defense thing, I said, good point, you know you
Speaker 7: should have that available. Okay, Triple af gets cottault anyway,
Speaker 7: Thank hold, guys, good lucky, all right.
Speaker 4: Thanks, thank you. Ye.
Speaker 2: Now, there was a woman on hold who would have
Speaker 2: been next, but I think she is hung up, So
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take my break now, giving her a chance
Speaker 2: and others to call in because top of the hour,
Speaker 2: Brian ways bye bye six, one, seven, two, five.
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Speaker 2: This is night Side. I am Morgan, and next hour
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say her full name, Sonya Nathan broad
Speaker 2: Street will be here. That middle name should have gotten
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Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Way live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: My name is Morgan, Morgan White Junior. I fill in
Speaker 2: periodically for Dan when he takes some time away from
Speaker 2: this microphone. But Nightside goes on with or without Dan
Speaker 2: my guest this hour, and when I say hour, he's
Speaker 2: got maybe only ten minutes of show to go. Brian
Speaker 2: Gans is here. He's not he personally, but his company
Speaker 2: has invented a gun that is not lethal, and I got.
Speaker 3: A question.
Speaker 2: About what it could shoot and kill. We hear about
Speaker 2: these coyotes and bear attacks that creep into our news commentary.
Speaker 2: Would it stop a bear or a coyote or a
Speaker 2: wild animal charging you?
Speaker 4: So? Animals have a very very strong sense of smell.
Speaker 4: Their olafactory system is six hundred times more sensitive than
Speaker 4: a human beings. So in fact, it is more effective
Speaker 4: on animals than it is on human beings. The police
Speaker 4: have used it quite a bit to send off dogs.
Speaker 4: We've had customers say that they've shot mountain lions and
Speaker 4: wolves and other animals. We cannot advertise it as for
Speaker 4: use against animals because you have to get approval from
Speaker 4: the EPA because anything that affects animals is considered a
Speaker 4: pesticide and it's an expense to have been lengthy process,
Speaker 4: and we've never bothered getting approval. But there's a lot
Speaker 4: of testimonials online about people have used it when they're
Speaker 4: hiking to protect themselves against animals.
Speaker 2: Okay, I was just wondering quote unquote the stopping power.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good question.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: And last summer when I had you on, you did
Speaker 2: a promotion that if somebody used my name, there would
Speaker 2: be a cheaper cost to ordering this guy online. Did
Speaker 2: you have any success with that even one person who
Speaker 2: took advantage of that offer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we had a few people do that. I would
Speaker 4: offer it again except for the fact that it is
Speaker 4: currently our Black Friday Cyber Monday sale and everything on
Speaker 4: the website is fifteen percent off, So this is our
Speaker 4: deepest sale of the year. We only do this once
Speaker 4: a year, so the normal discount we would give is
Speaker 4: ten percent. So if somebody's interested in buying it and
Speaker 4: they go to the website, this is the time to
Speaker 4: do it between now and the end of the day
Speaker 4: on Monday.
Speaker 2: And what about a spokesperson. I know Charlton Heston has
Speaker 2: passed on, but he would be a great person because
Speaker 2: they'll prime my dead fingers off my rifle before I'll
Speaker 2: give it up or quote similar to that. Are you
Speaker 2: considering any well known spokesperson to represent the Burner?
Speaker 4: You know what? We actually that is the primary source
Speaker 4: of new leads for us, so we work very closely
Speaker 4: with a lot of the conservative talk show hosts. Sean
Speaker 4: Hannity is one of our endorsers, as is Glenn Beck, Dejongino,
Speaker 4: Judge Ninepiro. But we're starting to spread out. I'm actually
Speaker 4: going down to Nashville the second week of December to
Speaker 4: meet with Dave Ramsey. Dave is either the number one
Speaker 4: or number two radio talk show host and he focuses
Speaker 4: on finance, so his audience really trusts him. We think
Speaker 4: that he'll be, you know, an ideal spokesperson. And the
Speaker 4: week before I'm going out to meet with Roseanne Barr
Speaker 4: in La Will. Roseanne, unbeknownst to us, was a Burna
Speaker 4: owner and she reached out to us saying that, you know,
Speaker 4: I love this thing and I would love to be
Speaker 4: an endorser for you so and I've always liked those
Speaker 4: at bar so I'm excited to go out and meet
Speaker 4: with her.
Speaker 2: I can see Roseanne Barr speaking to truth about I
Speaker 2: own a weapon and I will use it. I can
Speaker 2: see her doing that. And if I'm going to use one,
Speaker 2: this is the one I'm going to use because I
Speaker 2: know it won't kill a person, but it will stop a.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So it's you know, we're trying to get more and
Speaker 4: more female personalities right now. As I said, we have
Speaker 4: Judge Janine Dana Lash, who was the spokesperson for the NRA,
Speaker 4: has a show on Radio America and she's a spokesperson
Speaker 4: for us as well. But we will be coming out
Speaker 4: with a third generation Burna that will be about a
Speaker 4: third smaller than our current pistol. It'll put it in
Speaker 4: the same category as the microcompact handguns, and we think
Speaker 4: that that will be a lot more attractive for women.
Speaker 4: That'll be out later in the year in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to guess women obviously would feel more
Speaker 2: comfortable if they're going to carry a weapon. Putting a
Speaker 2: weapon in a handbag is much more palatable than other options.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, I think they, you know, they're a little
Speaker 4: intimidated by the you know, the larger size of our
Speaker 4: current Burner SD weapon, although it is the size of
Speaker 4: a normal nine millimeter it's the size of Mike Glock nineteen,
Speaker 4: but the microcompact for gun owners, it's the size of
Speaker 4: a six hour P three sixty five, which is the
Speaker 4: most popular handgun in the world. It will be much
Speaker 4: much easier for them to conceal carry in their purse
Speaker 4: or frankly, for men to be able to conceal carry
Speaker 4: in their jacket pocket.
Speaker 2: All right, A cawler is just called in. We're almost done,
Speaker 2: So Joe, you're lucky. I'm gonna squeeze you in to
Speaker 2: speak with Brian Gahan. Hello, Joe, what do you?
Speaker 8: Thank you? Brian, it's a privilege to speak to you
Speaker 8: and wished me luck. Nora, I have cancer, but that's
Speaker 8: not the point I called. Just keep me in your prayers, Brian.
Speaker 8: I am visually impaired. Tell us how the gun works,
Speaker 8: and I heard it works over sixty feet. Can it
Speaker 8: work one hundred feet maybe? And does it knock people down?
Speaker 8: Because I could use something like that if something happens
Speaker 8: to me. I'm sure other people.
Speaker 4: You know we have we have rifles that work at
Speaker 4: one hundred feet. They are primarily for law enforcement. And
Speaker 4: I will say to you, honestly, this weapon is a
Speaker 4: self defense weapon. The idea for us was we wanted
Speaker 4: to be part of the solution, part of the animling
Speaker 4: epidemic of a gun violence. Beyond sixty feet, it's really
Speaker 4: not self defense. You're starting to become a predator. So
Speaker 4: you know, we don't really encourage people to be shooting
Speaker 4: beyond the sixty feet And honestly, I think most encounters
Speaker 4: happen in the twenty to thirty foot range.
Speaker 8: Yes, but what does it do? What does it like?
Speaker 8: I say, I had it, and I was cause I
Speaker 8: hear these commercials the guy was like thirty forty feet
Speaker 8: and he who's knocked down until police came. What happened
Speaker 8: if someone came at me and tried to attack me,
Speaker 8: You get this scenario here if you shoot.
Speaker 4: Them, we make two different types of ammunition. One is
Speaker 4: a hard plastic round, the hard military grade polymer, and
Speaker 4: it's just it hurts like the dickens. It leaves a
Speaker 4: huge bruise, and it is sufficient to stop all but
Speaker 4: the most motivated assailings. And honestly, I load my weapons
Speaker 4: so that the first two rounds out are these hard
Speaker 4: what we call kinetic rounds. But if for some reason
Speaker 4: it doesn't stop somebody, I then shoot them with the
Speaker 4: tear gas and pepper round because that, you know, will
Speaker 4: cause their eyes to close involuntarily. They'll be in respiratory
Speaker 4: distress from twenty to thirty minutes and they will be
Speaker 4: unable to continue with the attack, no matter how tough
Speaker 4: they are. If what about.
Speaker 8: Drugs as people that are what about people that are
Speaker 8: on drugs like PBC and all that.
Speaker 4: You know, it should not make a difference. I mean,
Speaker 4: you should still be able to feel the effects of
Speaker 4: the of the chemical irritants whether you're under.
Speaker 8: I asked because police officers have had trouble taken down
Speaker 8: people that are high on high as I'm asking just
Speaker 8: to learn I may get one of these if I
Speaker 8: ever get the money. You don't have to see because
Speaker 8: I'm a good with my ears. I know where this
Speaker 8: person is.
Speaker 3: I'm almost out of time. Let me say, all.
Speaker 8: Right, thank you, Morgan, take care, god By, thank.
Speaker 4: God By, and good luck to you.
Speaker 3: Should stop them.
Speaker 2: It should have the stopping power you need in an
Speaker 2: emergency situation.
Speaker 3: Brian, thank you for moving on.
Speaker 2: I hope you and family have a great time tomorrow
Speaker 2: and Thanksgiving and I will have you back in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five.
Speaker 4: Morgan, thank you very much. Had a great holiday for
Speaker 4: you and your family and for all your listeners.
Speaker 3: You take care now, bye bye.
Speaker 2: All right, everybody, we're going to do news and afternoons.
Speaker 2: Norm Nathan's daughter Sonya will be joining us. Time and
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