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much for joining us for another episode of Dogman Encounters Radio.

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Really appreciate you joining us. Tonight's guest has been featured

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on episodes four, seventy eight and five oh one. He

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is one of the most experienced dog Mean researchers you're

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gonna find out there. In fact, if you have any

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questions about researching these guys, you could do a lot

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worse than to contact him and try to pick his brain. Luckily,

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being as nice as a guy as he is, he'd

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probably jump with the opportunity to help you with that. Well,

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before I waste any more time, let's bring him in

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here now, Mike, thanks so much for coming back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for having me. Thank you for the

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kind build up too, That was a nice.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're welcome. Just telling the truth here, telling them

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like it is, Mike. For anybody who's missed the prior

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episodes you're featured on, please tell them about yourself.

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Speaker 3: Oh sure, Yeah, my name is Mike. I am since

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your average guy, I guess from the suburbs of Eastern

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and Long Island, went in to the army, you know,

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just a normal guy probably till I went up and

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went into the army and like a two and a

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half year tour, and then my unit was going overseas Afghanistan,

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so I signed back up to do that and spent

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the year in Afghanistan Korea for a year. When I

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came back, I was pretty messed up, got a little,

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you know, back into addiction, kind of had a hold

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on me and sort of the trauma from overseas, and

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I did a lot of work on myself and I

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was just like getting really healed in a lot of ways.

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And I was like going down these different avenues that

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I had used to make fun of in the past,

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like doing yoga and Reiki was something that I picked on,

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which basically just means life energy and is translation one

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got certified and that a couple of times. So I

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was just kind of like this shell of myself. So

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I was looking for something and Bigfoot was just kind

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of coming across my you know. I had always been

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interested in cryptids, like lockness was always something I was into,

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like and Essie was always something I was into since

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I was a kid. And you know, my mom would

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always ask me, well, where do you want to go

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on vacation. It was it was like a dead end question.

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We're always going to go to Montalk, which you know,

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like that was all we could afford. But I would

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always say, I want to go to Locked Nets, And

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I would even as a kid, I would always say, like,

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you just got to get me there, Like, if you

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get me there, I'll show you where we got to

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sit to see this thing. And you know, as you

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grow older into a teen and you know, a young adult,

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that stuff feeds away and you just suppress it. But

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I wasn't able to suppress it for long because I

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form people who know me, I bumped into a suburban

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sabsquatch probably going on six seven years ago. Obviously I

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couldn't really ignore that. Like I said to people, like

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I think when people encounter something like that, you either

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kind of us it as much as you can you

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ignore it. You say, I'm never going back in the woods.

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You know, people move to the city, whatever the case

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may be. For me, I had to get more answers,

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so that's been kind of it was cool because I

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had a purpose again too, So I've just been on

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this mission for answers, and you know, as deep as

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it goes, wherever it goes, however weird it gets, I

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just kind of leave myself open to it. I don't

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suggest all. I don't suggest the way I do it

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to everybody. I do things a lot alone. I do

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things very trial and error style. But I guess I

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have a lot of experience through that, some and mostly good,

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you know, mostly great, you know, like the few bad

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incidents and encounters I would call them or traumatic or

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whatever you want to categorize them, ask they are so

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much outweighed by the good and more than you know,

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where nothing really happens. You know, I don't want to

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act like if you go out at night, like you're

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gonna bump into a dog man or something like. It's

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it's not that, you know, simple and they don't really

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want to be bothered or found or right. So, so

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by way of that, I stumbled into dog Man. I

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didn't really want to. At first. It wasn't really something

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that was There was so much going on with Sasquatch

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that I didn't feel the need to kind of dive

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into other cryptids, but they just just kind of in

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the same fashion, just presented themselves and not in a

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very kind fashion. So that but that's a whole other story.

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So I hope that kind of sums it up a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that does a really good job of summing it up.

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But there's something else I want to put out there

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for the listeners. If you didn't know it. This guy here, Mike,

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let me tell you about him. He won't think twice

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by heading into areas where dogmen are in Sasquatch too,

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but mostly we're talking about dogmen here tonight. He won't

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think twice by heading into areas by himself and spend

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a night to who knows how long in what he

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calls the fish bowl because at nighttime, when you're sitting

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around the campfire there, he says, and he's right, it's

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like you're in a fishbowl. All these creatures they can

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watch you and you never know they're out there unless

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they make their presence known. But he won't think twice

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about doing that in the creepiest places. We're talking places

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at Scooby and Shaggy wouldn't even go into and he

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just heads right out there, and after he heads home,

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he can't wait to head back out to another place.

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Just like that. If you see Mike throwing everything down

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and running for the car truck, you know you've got

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a serious problem on your hands. This guy, he's got

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nerves of steel, he really does. He's made to do

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this thing. But that brings us my first question for you, Mike,

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when you're heading out into the woods to do quote

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unquote dog mean research, is it more of a case

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of you looking for them or are you looking for

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something else inward to do with you?

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Speaker 3: Now? When it's when it's dog men related, I don't.

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It's nothing inward necessarily. I do, like I might seem

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like I have nerves of steel, but it is not necessarily.

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It's not that I'm not scared. It's just that I don't.

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I don't want to show it right, and I don't

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want to like present my fear to anything negative out there.

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It's similar to something you would hear, like two people

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who go in a haunt to the house or whatever.

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to give the negative spirits, fear or anything for them

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to feed off. And I think dog men really, really

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really get off on people who are scared. I really do.

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It's almost like they enjoy torturing people mentally. And I

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know that sounds weird, but I just honestly, it just

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seems like a pastime or something maybe in between you know,

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deer kills or whatever they do. But when I go out,

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there's I mean, I'm trialing error on a lot of scales.

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The fish bowl is one. I love that idea because it's, uh,

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you're putting yourself on display, you know. And I try

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try to bring them in, like I started. I started

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a new thing called like chumming. I'm calling it like chumming,

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like you know how you would do to which like

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a great white shark. You can't just go out and

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find a great white shark, right you cause somewhere on

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the ocean all day long and never find one. How

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do they get them? They chump, they bring them in.

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So I'm and again I don't recommend this, but I'm

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making these bait bags of god, all sorts of difference,

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thinky stuff, different food, smelly barbecue, you know, week old

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chicken barbecue, sauce, cereal, whatever, all these different things, you know, lollipops.

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I'm just putting a bunch of stuff in one bag

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and putting it up in places where I know that

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you know, raccoon or whatever, and nothing else can get

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to it. You know however that looks even if you

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have to prove it to yourself by tying a fishing

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line from you know, one tree to another that are

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fifteen feet away and hanging that bag in the middle

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ten feet in the air, you know, like them past

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all that. So like I kind of can I kind

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of can tell what got into something. If it's a

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small critter. I mean, they make little holes, little puncture spots,

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they drag it, they do this, they do that. Other

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animals will just grab it and run off with it.

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But they leave you know, even small cats, fisher cats,

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stuff like that. They leave tracks behind. You know. It's

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it's it's very subtle, very subtle, but you learn, you

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learn what to look for. Trying to think of what else.

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Uh yeah, I don't. They're they're more sloppy too, Like

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they have they have like a they just have like

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this way of like leaving tracks, you know, not that

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I've seen prior to with Sasquat, and they kind of

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leave tracks behind on and usually right on game trails

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or right off of game trails. It's something I noticed

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on my last trip to Ohio very much so, like

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very very much so much more than where I'm at here.

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of them in the area, or there's just you know,

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more area for them to be at and they don't

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feel like they're going to get seen or noticed or

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caught or whatever. Maybe they just don't care, because I mean,

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you can find a million tracks and never see one. Oh,

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I guess that's uh. I don't know if that answers

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the question.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that does, But holy cow, I didn't know. I

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know about some of the things you do out there,

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some of your tactics, but wow, I didn't know you

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took a bait bag out there with you. That's intense.

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Speaker 3: That's something new I've been trying.

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Speaker 2: Well. I can see that working pretty well. That could

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be a good thing, that could be a bad thing. Yes, yeah, Wow,

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that's pretty scary. I know that the first encounter you had,

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or at least, if I'm right, the first cryptid related

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encounter you had was when you ran into a ten

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foot tall, one thousand pounds sasquatch, and that encounter frightened

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you so much you fell down, You lost your legs,

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and you fell down on the ground. Do you think

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that experience, how should I put it? Do you think

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that by having an intense cryptid related encounter like that

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right off the bat first exposure to cryptids? Do you

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think by being so intense the way it was, that

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it numbed you in a certain way to the point

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where now present day, you're able to go out and

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put yourself in places where you know dogmen have been seen,

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and take a beat bag out there with you. Whereas

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you think it's a possibility that if you didn't have

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such a traumatic first encounter to get your feet wet,

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do you think that you wouldn't be able to go

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out and do things like what you're doing now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was traumatic, but at the same time

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it wasn't. Now, if I would have just stopped there

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and left on that mark, I had probably would have

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thought it was so scary and horrible, because I did.

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When I saw it, I dropped to the ground, I

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curled in a fetal position. I started tearing up. I

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think I was yelling no, no, no, you know, I

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wanted to go away like a bad dream. And that's

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exactly what happened, which is odd enough, but you know,

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emotionally and stuck in that moment, I could say how

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horrible it was, but then stepping back and really taking

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a look at it, there was nothing bad about it, nothing,

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you know, And I had to get out of that

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emotional moment to see it. There was nothing that it

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did to instill fear in me. It didn't show its teeth,

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it didn't it wasn't like lurching at me, you know, nothing.

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Nothing didn't growl, didn't make you know, nothing. So I

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do think that that ability and to go back in there.

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And that's the hardest thing is when you have these

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bad moments, and so I have to go back into

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that area like I have to. It's almost like I

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have to go and repetatively have these not so bad

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experiences two, you know, to prove to myself that okay,

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this is this doesn't just happen all the time, you know,

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just uh, this isn't just how things are like, oh,

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you go there and you get attacked, you know, or

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you get I don't. I don't like to use the

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word attacked because if we're if we're here to talk

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about it, I don't know if attacked is necessarily the

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right way to put it. And I don't know what

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label will put on it. But uh, you know, fear

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instilled in you, you know, those types of tactics. I

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do see more from it seems like more from the dog.

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And now that's just my experience. I can't speak for

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the whole country, the whole world, whatever, right, I would

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be ignorant to make a blanket statement on anything, but

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I try to stretch myself as far and wide as

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I can. You know, Florida is a crazy experience. So

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I was fun. That was cool. You know, I do,

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I do as much as I can, But it's it's,

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you know, stretching yourself thin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is stretching yourself. Then I'm wondering, though I've

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known you all these years, I should have an answer

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for this. I should know this right off the bat,

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But I just realized I don't. What I'm getting at

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here is you've had some pretty traumatic experiences. You had

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that encounter with that ten footer ten foot sasquatch that

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you said was about one thousand pounds. You've had all

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these dog mean encounters over the years, and then on

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top of that, you had that really traumatic rake encounter.

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Would you still say that the sasquatch encounter with that

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ten footer was the most traumatic one you've had or

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do you think one of the other ones was.

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Speaker 3: No, that was probably the least traumatic, you know, and

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that if I would have stopped at that moment, you know,

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obviously it would have been the only one. But you know,

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hindsight and really experienced, you know, experiencing different cryptis and

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their behaviors. And I call that thing a rake. I

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couldn't tell you what it was, but all I can

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do is compare it to something that's out there, and unfortunately,

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the creepy past the rake thing is the closest thing

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I could think of. But the way that thing acted

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even too, it reminds me of that movie Split at

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the end where that split personality person turns to the

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beast and he's huffing and puffing and bringing his body,

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you know, his chest in and out, breathing heavy. But

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those veins, the way they're popping off of it, off

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of his skin, it was like it was very reminiscent

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of that moment. So to answer your question, I think

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the sasquatch was probably the least by far. And then

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you know it's a close It's a close first between

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the dog men and that rage, that's for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a really intense encounter with the rake.

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I figured it could go either way between the rake

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encounter being the most intense or the ten foot by

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ten thousand pounds I'm sorry, the ten foot by one

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thousand pounds sasquatch encounter. So I think that was I

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figured that was probably a pick them the rake encounter.

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For me, what made that so frightening was the fact

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that the first experience he had with it wasn't all

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that bad. It went away, but when it came back

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the second time and it seemed like it really meant business.

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The way you laid that out, yeah, that had to

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be just over the top. And for anyone wondering how

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to listen to that encounter who hasn't heard about it,

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Mike came on My Paranormal Experience and he laid out

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the details of that encounter with that rake. I can't

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remember what episode number that is, but what I'll do

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is I'll post a link to that episode in the

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description for tonight's show, both on the YouTube version of

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tonight's show as well as a podcast version. That way

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to'll make it really easy for you to listen to

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Mike lay out the encounter what happened to him. But

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we're about twenty minutes in now, Mike, you are prepared

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to share some experiences with this that eyewitnesses have told

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you about with regards to their dog mean encounters. Are

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you ready to start sharing some of those experiences with us?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, sure, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, great, whenever you're ready, please begin.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, I guess I'll start with I guess

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the most recent I got this was from a hunter

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that was out in the Pine Barrens region out on

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the east end of Long Island. And this guy has

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been hunting his whole life, hunting, fishing, everything under the sun.

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And he's been in this area for a long time.

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And mind you, we don't have on the island. We

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don't have anything bigger than deer, coyote, not even coyote.

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Occasionally they'll swim over from can Etiquette. They kind of

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hit Long Island on the accident. A lot of times

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they're trying to swim to a closer island like the

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Fitcher or Garden or whatever. There's a few out there,

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and you know that's usually when there's lack of food.

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Connecticut's very close, very close to the north shore along.

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So anyway, this guy was humped in white Tail and

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he he knows there's nothing out there right like, and

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whatever this was vibrated his chest when it howled. I

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believe he said it was at daybreak, you know, in

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the in the early hours. Maybe it was the evening hours.

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I can't remember exactly, but either way, it was you know,

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close to close to dark, and it wasn't anything visible,

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but it scared him so much that he didn't want

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to come down. And this howl was he said, it

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was thirty seconds long. We estimate, I think, right like,

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we estimate, but that's a long breath. That is a

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long breath when you think about it. If you even

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just try to like hum to yourself for thirty seconds,

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that is a long, long thing, you know. Same when

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I'm talking about a ten pounds, ten thousand pounds, right,

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I'm estimating, but it's it, you know, I kind of

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put it in scale to the situation and That was

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just one that really resonated with me because here was

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this guy who really just had to get it off

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his chest to somebody. You know, he knew he couldn't

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tell this to anybody else, and he just I'd never

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spoken to him before, I never knew him before, you know,

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and he just he just had to get it off

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his chest to somebody. It was a lot more detailed

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than obviously I'll leave people's names out, but you know,

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that was very cool to me because that's area that

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I do a lot of work in and my marriage

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are too big, Like I think there are one hundred

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thousand acres at least that's the section and that they

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consider the pine barons. It's much much bigger, but that's

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what they consider the guts of the pine barrens, at

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least on the island. So that was cool to me.

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And you know, to be able to respond to that

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person and be there for them and you know just

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kind of say, you know, like, yeah, if you need

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the event, that's cool. That's what I'm here for. Another

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one I got was this one was through text, so

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I don't have a lot of detail. This is I

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This is kind of weird because it was it was

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a nurse and she she texts somebody who texted me

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who knew me. So I was kind of getting the

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information fed fed through, and I think I think it

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just ceased, you know, it ceased to ah, the communication.

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She didn't want it to go further, you know, to

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keep going through to so it stopped there. But what

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she thought she saw at first when she was getting

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off work, it was just getting dark, and it was

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it was dark, but it was just getting dark, and

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she thought she saw a cow go under the street.

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And you know, why would a cow be walking down

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this like you know, back road whatever it was, And

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she I guess she was looking at her kitchen window

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and she just kind of thought she saw a cow

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and then it stood up and she realized that's not

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what she was looking at. And it was only for

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those seconds as it went under the light. So, like

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I said, I only have the details of very very

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vague details. But that was really interesting to me too,

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because her initial thought was, oh, this is there's a cow,

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but then it stood on two legs, you know, and

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it's pretty wild. Now in my opinion, what happened there

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was I think there were some people who have non

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traumatic experiences, and they're able to suppress the thought, to

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suppress the experience, go backwards and you know, go back

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to their initial thought, or just eliminate it completely from

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their mind. And you know that didn't happen. That was

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my imagination, bing bang boom. I don't want to think

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about it again. I don't want to believe that's out there.

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Forget about it, right. So that's that's at least my

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opinion on what happened. I don't know exactly. Another one

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I could talk to you about was not my first

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hand all the way, but I was with my girlfriend,

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she's from overseas in London, and we were up this

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you know, pretty remote cabin for the most part. There

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was a couple of neighbors, but the most part it's

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just farms on all sides, like about my mile away

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and there's just this about twenty acres of woods straight

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back and it's the only patch of woods that gets

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to the main main creek, which is basically a river,

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but they called a creek. It's called the Acipus or

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a soapis or I don't know, but it's one of

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the main waterways up in the cats goes that I

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worked that area a lot, and I believe the initial

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thing was me calling her out because I heard something

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out of the ordinary. Now it was coyotes wailing like

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they had found a kill or something, right, but I

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heard something in between the coyotes that sounded off, sounded

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like a yell like that. So I yelled at her

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to come out. So she comes out, like what I said, listen,

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so sure as you know, sure is rain. Whatever. They

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do it again, luckily, and these coyotes on what they're

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going off the rails, and it's so loud in this

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complete and utter darkness and complete and utter like dead silence,

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and all of a sudden, this thing bellows out again. Ah, like,

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so loud and long, and it was completely at a

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character out of any animal or long capacity I could imagine.

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I was so ecstatic that it did it at that point,

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and I had the camera running to mind you that

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it doesn't sound like anything really on the audio, but yeah,

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you could tell it's there, but it's just it doesn't

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compare it to in person by any means. So later, way, way,

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way later that night, oh actually, so I decided to

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return fire. I decided to make a noise in return,

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and everything stopped, every noise out there stopped, and she

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was kind of pissed at me. She was like, why

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did you do that? I was like, I didn't. I

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didn't know. And we're up on this deck. It's a

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raised deck and it's probably a five foot raised deck

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and then we're, you know, five foot six foot, so

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we're ten feet in the air basically, right that's where

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our ears are set. And something off in the darkness

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right past a little bit of light coming off of

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the porch light, something growled. I can't say for sure

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if it was something physical or non physical or whatever,

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but it was enough for us both to look at

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each other and say, whoa, that's that's it. We're done, okay,

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and get back inside. Now she's convinced what we heard

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was a dog man. And I'll continue on to tell

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you why. So I'm in bed and at some point

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I wake up and I'm like, oh, where did should go? Like,

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I'm by myself, and I can hear her. And it's

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a small cabin, so I could hear her around the

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corner in the kitchen, like it's only like twenty feet away.

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I can hear it talking, and I'm like all right,

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maybe she's on the phone whatever, weird time difference, you know,

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probably used to being up when you know, we're asleep

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and whatever. I come around the corner eventually because I'm

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calling to it and she's not answering. So I come

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around the corner and she's like tucked under the the

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curtain which comes from top of the top of the

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screen door, you know, glass door down to the floor,

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but it's like a white you know, and you can

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see through it to an extent. It's it's pretty solid,

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but you could. I could see that she was standing

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there and I'm like, what are you doing? And I'm

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talking to I'm like, what are you doing. I'm like,

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you're all right, Like what's going on? She's talking like

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to something and she's not on the phone. I could

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see her phone there on the the island or whatever

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it's called in the kitchen, and she's like giddy like

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a kid, like you know, like happy, like talking to something.

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So I stand and I come up and stand next

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to her. I'm looking out and mind you, this is

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out to the woodline, which is probably one hundred feet.

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Give her a take, you know, I don't know exactly

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it might be half of that. I really don't know,

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but it's a good distance and I see these glowing,

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glowing eyes and I'm talking like fire orange. I don't know,

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that's what I remember, fire Orange. I'm like watching her.

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I look over her. She's talking to whatever this is.

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I mean, she is locked in. Whatever this thing is

472
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,440
has her locked in, and she was convinced it was

473
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,759
a dog man. And I have to trust her. I mean,

474
00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:49,400
she has no reason to bullshit me. And I couldn't

475
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,240
tell you what it was because all I noticed was

476
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,240
that it was eyeshote. Now I have to check myself

477
00:29:55,799 --> 00:29:58,400
because I go and I go to flip on the

478
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,000
light because I want to see what's out but I'm like,

479
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:04,920
maybe I shouldn't. Then I realized, Okay, the porch light

480
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,960
ain't on, so there's no light outside period. So whatever

481
00:30:10,079 --> 00:30:15,480
is out there in that woodline is not only looking

482
00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:18,920
at it's not it's not eye shine, it's eye glow.

483
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,359
Whatever that is, it's self illuminating its eyes, you know,

484
00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:26,960
to be that color. It wasn't ambient light hitting off

485
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,359
you know, like an alligator or whatever. You know, cats, dogs,

486
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,440
so on and so forth, which really was a trip

487
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,400
to me because it's rare. That's rare to see. But

488
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,839
it was really cool. It was really cool, you know

489
00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:44,960
because when you hit you know, if you if you're

490
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,920
painting through the woods with a flashlight or something and

491
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,319
you hit an eye, you know, eye shine, boom, it's like,

492
00:30:49,359 --> 00:30:51,880
oh what is that? You know? But this was just

493
00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:59,000
you know, fully fully dead on, just self illuminating. I

494
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:06,480
don't know anything that could it's pretty amazing. So yeah,

495
00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:10,839
I don't know if I can think of I'm sure

496
00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:16,960
I could come up with more eyewitness accounts. It's just

497
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,720
struggling to think of any.

498
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,079
Speaker 2: Oh that's all right, Yeah, those were several encounters, several

499
00:31:23,119 --> 00:31:26,039
good encounters to share with this. How often do you

500
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,359
eye witnesses contact you to let you know about experiences

501
00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:29,839
they've had.

502
00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 3: It's pretty scattered. I guess it's pretty scattered because you know,

503
00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:40,960
like people reach out to you, like I'm sure because

504
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,119
they know that that's what you're you know, known for, right,

505
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,839
So like pretty much, if if somebody came to me

506
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,160
with some kind of serious issue, I would I would

507
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,319
kind of guide them in your direction, you know what

508
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,000
I mean, before they even did anything, because I don't

509
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,240
want them to waste any effort or too much of

510
00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:04,440
energy or you know, especially when something's got people worked

511
00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:06,799
up like that. I know what kind of toll that takes.

512
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:09,519
It's like your world has been earth shattered, you know,

513
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:19,559
and everything gets realigned everything. It's literally like you know

514
00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:21,720
what I mean. I'm trying to find the words for it,

515
00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:23,359
but life changing.

516
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,759
Speaker 2: Oh, it definitely is. I've said it before and I'll

517
00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:30,440
say it again. We're all conditioned to believe, since we

518
00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:33,799
learn how to speak, that the world operates a certain way.

519
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,480
You can expect for this to happen. You can't expect

520
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:41,839
to have to deal with this. So life is pretty

521
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,519
predictable for the most part. But when all of a

522
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:47,119
sudden you have an experience with a cryptid like this

523
00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:50,000
what dog me in or whatever type of cryptid, and

524
00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:53,079
it's proven to you without a doubt that you've been

525
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,559
living a lie, that just turns your life upside down

526
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,640
in most cases, because what else is untrue that you

527
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,440
took for granted, it's totally understandable why it would affect

528
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,799
eye witnesses the way it does when they have these

529
00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:10,759
cryptive encounters. You just have to feel for them, you

530
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:11,400
really do.

531
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's tough not to get taken for a

532
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,440
ride too, because like you know, some people will take

533
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,920
you down the rabbit hole deeper. And that happened to me,

534
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:25,240
And now I was grateful for you, because when I've

535
00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:29,240
had the personal dong Man encounter, that was very scary

536
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:31,200
to me, and like I was being taken for a

537
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:35,799
ride on all different levels. It probably dragged out way

538
00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:40,240
longer than it needed to be, you know, and I

539
00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:43,240
was getting bad advice. And that's not something I ever

540
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:45,359
want to do to anybody, you know. I never want

541
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:50,440
to like give somebody the wrong answer or an answer

542
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,839
when there is no answer, you know, because if the

543
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,640
answer to me is I don't know, that's what I'm

544
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,920
going to tell you. Hey, I don't know. You know,

545
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,559
I don't want to give you love or filler just

546
00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:04,119
just for the sake of, you know, adding it in

547
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,240
there and making it look good or sound good, or

548
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:08,719
you know, to be the man or whatever the case is.

549
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,639
You know, Like I'm okay, Like I'm okay with just

550
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:14,920
whatever happens happens. And that's kind of how I treat it.

551
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,599
Every every outing, I just walk into the woods and

552
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:20,639
I try to be a blank slate and just say Hey,

553
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,559
you know, mother, nature, universe, woods, I'm here whatever you know,

554
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:28,440
whatever you have planned for me, I'm open to it.

555
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,840
You know, nothing negative, but you know I'm open and

556
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,360
I'm here, and whatever you want to present me with,

557
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,119
I'd love to see it, love to hear, I'd love

558
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:43,639
to witness you know, no expectations, no preconceived notions, no,

559
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,920
you know, No matter how long I do it, I

560
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,239
try to just go out with, you know, an empty

561
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,639
vase and see what gets filled. Sometimes it's nothing, you know,

562
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,800
but nature is nice enough to me, I guess.

563
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,199
Speaker 2: So from what you're saying, it's not too hard to

564
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:03,639
find bad advice. Bad didn't feel about dog men out there?

565
00:35:03,679 --> 00:35:06,840
Is that what you're trying to say? Yes, yeah, nutshet

566
00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:13,159
is that's the truth. Unfortunately, in New York State, where

567
00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:15,559
would you say is the hottest spot right now for

568
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:18,360
dog me in activity? Oh?

569
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:24,599
Speaker 3: Man, that's a tough call. Uh, that's a really tough call.

570
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,119
You know, it's not fair. It's not really fair to

571
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,760
like people who are in the ad Arondecks or or

572
00:35:34,679 --> 00:35:37,440
the cat The at Arondecks are very very big woods

573
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:40,639
at Aroundecks State Park is the biggest state park. I

574
00:35:40,679 --> 00:35:44,079
think there is. I believe you could put Yellowstone, Yosemite,

575
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:47,719
and a couple more National parks inside about Aroundneck Park,

576
00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:51,679
So Upstate New York is huge, you know, and then

577
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,679
Catskill Park is and beyond the Catskills and beyond. I've

578
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,719
gone to that around Necks a few times, but it's

579
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:04,480
it's a long long way for me. I'd have to say,

580
00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:09,039
like the most is probably like the Hudson Valley, which

581
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:12,800
is the lower cat Skills, And it's most likely because

582
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,920
that's where the most people are that are looking for

583
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,280
these things. They have the most eyes on them in

584
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:19,920
that area.

585
00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:24,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that big of an area, No wonder you

586
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:27,280
have such a population there, what more can they want?

587
00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and it's hard. It's hard to talk

588
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:38,199
about suburban cryptids too, because you know, we're groomed to

589
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,599
believe that these things are in the middle of nowhere

590
00:36:40,639 --> 00:36:45,800
and they thrive on being so elusive and blah blah blah.

591
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,920
Well if that was the case, nobody would ever see one,

592
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,639
you know. So we actually have no data that says

593
00:36:51,679 --> 00:36:53,840
they are elusive and are in the middle of nowhere.

594
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,960
We have data that says they're right up against where

595
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,480
we are. You know.

596
00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:05,679
Speaker 2: Well, speak of the devil. Another really well tenured dog

597
00:37:05,679 --> 00:37:09,079
me and researcher just popped in al Santo Riga. He's

598
00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:12,119
who I mentioned earlier on in the show and speaking

599
00:37:12,159 --> 00:37:15,320
of val He's based in New York State the same

600
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,440
way that you are. Have you ever linked up with

601
00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:20,599
him to head out to do some field work, Not.

602
00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:23,119
Speaker 3: Not yet, But he was actually somebody I had in

603
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:25,239
mind is now when I was saying, like the Hudson

604
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:30,840
Valley area, because it's it's one of the most I

605
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,719
don't know if it's the most populated, but it's it's

606
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,440
definitely heavily heavily trolled by these guys, and there's a

607
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,039
good amount of eyes on him and owl. It was

608
00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:41,639
one of the guys I was thinking of when I said.

609
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, you could do a lot worse than the

610
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,519
head out there with him, just like he could do

611
00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:49,239
a lot worse than head out with you. I can

612
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,079
only imagine the knowledge that the two of you have. Yeah,

613
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:58,639
it happen, Well, that's great. I hope it does. That'd

614
00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:03,679
be great. Listening to as many shows as I have

615
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,239
that you've done, you've been featured on as a guest,

616
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,599
I should know the answer to this. But when you

617
00:38:08,639 --> 00:38:10,719
head out and do all these things that you're talking

618
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,760
about doing in the field researching, do you take a

619
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,760
gun with you or do you leave that at home?

620
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 3: No? I don't, I don't carry I don't. I don't

621
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:31,400
recommend it to everybody and anybody. It's really it's it's

622
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,599
really it can be really dangerous in some areas because

623
00:38:34,599 --> 00:38:43,360
you have a lot of other predators. And again I don't,

624
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,679
I don't recommend this. I just I feel like I

625
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:50,280
get better experiences without anything, without carrying a side arm

626
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,440
or anything. So among land it's very safe because the

627
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,519
most thing I have to deal with is a dangerous

628
00:38:55,519 --> 00:38:58,599
thing I have to deal with as a human. I

629
00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:02,880
actually feel like that's the same case anywhere. In one year,

630
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,519
I had like seven black bear encounters, and pretty much

631
00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:10,760
on everyone they ran away from me, except for once,

632
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,000
which I don't really know what was going to happen,

633
00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:17,440
but it stopped dead and decided to lift a tree

634
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,960
with one paw that was laid a huge tree was

635
00:39:21,039 --> 00:39:22,719
laid on its side on the ground, and it just

636
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:27,280
decided to stop and peel that thing up at one paw. Well,

637
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:32,320
but yeah, some happy thing come my way, Yeah, so

638
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,639
I don't recommend it necessarily, but I feel like they

639
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:41,800
are groomed to know what that smell is, what that

640
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,239
is that gunpowder? When you think about how far off

641
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:51,280
a bear can smell you know something. And these deer

642
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:55,199
with their satellite ears and hearing and all that, you know,

643
00:39:55,239 --> 00:40:00,320
I think these guys are beyond super predators. And when

644
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,559
you think about like the mountain lion and okay, now

645
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,760
wolves or coyotes are following me or even humans are

646
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,719
tracking me, they'll start to kill and leave cash is

647
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,239
for these animals too. Instead of bumping into them and

648
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:19,960
having you know, encounter with these wolves or coyotes or

649
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,480
whatever and have to fight them off or a bear

650
00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:25,760
or whatever the case is, it's actually killing and leaving

651
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,239
them food like over and over again. So it and

652
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,800
then going off to its own cash and eating in

653
00:40:32,679 --> 00:40:36,000
you know, in privacy, so that you know, when you

654
00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:41,880
think about it, it's there's so much that goes that goes.

655
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,679
What I was saying, that's unknown. But my thoughts are

656
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:50,360
they are just like as smart about us, probably more

657
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,880
wise to us than than we know, you know, than

658
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:54,480
we even know.

659
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,639
Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure they are. Yeah, I mean we are

660
00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:02,519
their TV in ways. So yeah, I bet they just

661
00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:04,239
sit out there and study. It's a lot more than

662
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,079
most people would be comfortable with. Mike, I haven't been

663
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,840
hiding the fact that I think you're actually safer in

664
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,360
the woods if a dog man is around if you

665
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,840
don't have a gun, then if you do have one.

666
00:41:17,679 --> 00:41:18,760
What are your thoughts on that?

667
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 3: What was a question you're going to encounter one more

668
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:25,159
if you have one.

669
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, my whole take. I guess I should elaborate on

670
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,039
that before I ask you your take, so you understand

671
00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:34,880
where I'm coming from. My whole take something I've been

672
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,159
putting out there for a long time now is you're

673
00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:40,239
actually safer in the woods if a dog man's around

674
00:41:41,079 --> 00:41:44,079
without a gun, then you are with a gun. What

675
00:41:44,119 --> 00:41:46,880
I'm getting at is my take on that is there

676
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,079
have been a lot of cases where people had a

677
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:53,280
gun and they actually shot one of these things when

678
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,480
the dog man didn't initially have any intentions on harming them.

679
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,360
But by shooting the dog man, they increase the opportunity,

680
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,840
or they increase the odds, that is, of the dog

681
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:08,840
men deciding to harm them exponentially. So that's one of

682
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:13,440
the reasons why I've had the stance that you're actually

683
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,440
safer in the woods with regards to dog men, not

684
00:42:16,599 --> 00:42:18,800
talking about other things out there that can harm you.

685
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:21,800
There's no lack of things that can, of course, but

686
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:25,639
just talking about dog men specifically. That's why I've always

687
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,880
had the mindset that you're safer out in the woods

688
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,199
without a gun than with one. When it comes to

689
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,079
these guys, what's your take on that.

690
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we're groomed to think the opposite, right, Like,

691
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,440
you're safe because you have a gun. Look, I get it.

692
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,880
I'm an army guy. Like I carried a gun everywhere

693
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,519
I went. Right, we don't even call it a gun

694
00:42:44,559 --> 00:42:47,320
and call it a weapon, but I mean I had

695
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,960
to carry that weapon everywhere I went for three hundred

696
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,519
and sixty five days, you know, in combat. Like I

697
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:54,480
get it, Like I get what that feeling is and

698
00:42:54,519 --> 00:42:57,119
that feeling of security and having it right there in

699
00:42:57,159 --> 00:42:59,840
case something pops off or however you want to put it.

700
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,840
But I totally agree, like I was saying earlier, I

701
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,679
think they know what that is. Like they know if

702
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,480
you're carrying a weapon or not. They can sense that,

703
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:13,440
they can smell it, they can tell, and one way

704
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,480
or another however you want to figure it out. I

705
00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:19,199
don't have the exact answers, but yeah, if you don't

706
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,880
have that, you're not as much of a threat. Right,

707
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,719
What could you possibly do to a dog man without

708
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,519
a gun? Nothing? I promise you, there's nothing you can do.

709
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:32,400
And I'm a combative trained fighter, which is basically like

710
00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:35,800
MMA for the army, like I'm Brazilian jiu jitsu is

711
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,840
basically what it is, like, I know how to do

712
00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:42,000
combative techniques, like, there is nothing you're going to do

713
00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:44,440
against this thing. If it comes for you, it comes

714
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,239
for you. So the only equalizer would be to put

715
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:54,360
bullets in it. Now obviously, right, if it senses you

716
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,639
have those are those you have those, you might be

717
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,400
more of a threat to it, and you know, a

718
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,519
worser outcome could could happen or you, like you said before,

719
00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:07,119
you use it, and if you don't have it, you

720
00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:10,880
can't use it and create a bad situation, you know,

721
00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:14,159
like if I see something out there, I don't have

722
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:19,239
that option, so I don't go to that option, you know, mentally,

723
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:25,239
physically whatever on any level sounds silly to some people.

724
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,960
I carry pepper spray. I carry it an air horn,

725
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:34,440
and air horn is my first technique. You know, it's

726
00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:36,440
just as loud as a bullet. If you blast off

727
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,280
an airworn it's just as loud as a gun going on.

728
00:44:40,159 --> 00:44:44,199
Sometimes that's enough to scare off whatever's coming at you,

729
00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:47,599
you know. But you know, if you're in a high

730
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:50,960
bear population area, I mean they will, if they're hungry

731
00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:53,239
enough or they're inquisiting enough, they will come up to you.

732
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,280
And black bear are way different than brown bear and grizzlies.

733
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:01,280
That size range and danger ranges is completely different, and

734
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,199
it varies. It varies from state to state and you know,

735
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:10,000
province country to country, you know, so to each their own.

736
00:45:10,159 --> 00:45:12,800
I don't, I don't. I know a lot of guys

737
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:18,599
who carry carry big guns, little guns, whatever, whatever, whatever

738
00:45:18,639 --> 00:45:21,480
you feel you need to do, you know, just proceed

739
00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:23,800
with caution, you know, on all levels.

740
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always good advice. Something that's lost on a

741
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,800
lot of these people that just hammer the idea of

742
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,239
you have to take a gun in the dog mean country.

743
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,920
Something that's really lost on a lot of these people

744
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:38,719
is the fact that if a dog man has it

745
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,360
in its head then wants to take you out, that

746
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,559
gun won't protect you. There's no way, that's right. It

747
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:49,480
can sneak up on you at will. That gun's not

748
00:45:49,519 --> 00:45:52,599
going to do a thing to protect you. I don't

749
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:54,760
care how much of a woodsman or a woods woman

750
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,840
you think you are. I don't care if you're such

751
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,360
a good woodsman or a good woods woman that you

752
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,519
can lie a can fire with a blue angel. A

753
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:05,079
dog man that wants to get you, you can sneak

754
00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:07,360
up on you at will, And what good is that

755
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,000
gun going to do you? Then? And also too, people

756
00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:13,480
really overestimate the effect that a gun's going to have

757
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:15,639
on a dog man. You know how many times I've

758
00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:19,320
spoken with people who shot these guys with formidable weaponry

759
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,920
and they just didn't get the effect, the desired result

760
00:46:23,519 --> 00:46:27,400
then what so Yeah, to think that just because you

761
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,000
have a firearm in your hands or on your hip,

762
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,639
that's going to protect you, that's just, in my opinion,

763
00:46:33,679 --> 00:46:36,760
not the case. Yeah, you can sometimes kill a dog

764
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:41,000
man with a properly placed shot, but when you're under

765
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:45,199
all that duress, you're so traumatized. How accurate are most

766
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:48,119
people going to be in a situation like that? Most people,

767
00:46:48,519 --> 00:46:51,440
they're not that accurate to start with, But if they're

768
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,280
under that kind of stress. Yeah, it's not a winning

769
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,440
bed at all. I'm sorry to interrupt you.

770
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 3: There, No, no, you're right, absolutely, you know. And it's

771
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,440
the same thing I treat it like I treat uh.

772
00:47:04,519 --> 00:47:07,280
There's a line in the movie Goodfellas and the guy's

773
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,519
backing out of his driveway and the cops put a

774
00:47:10,559 --> 00:47:12,440
gun to him and they say freeze or whatever, and

775
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,599
he says, I knew it was the police, and I

776
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:17,880
knew it wasn't a mob hit because I heard them coming.

777
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,599
I heard them. And that's how I treat this too,

778
00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:24,119
Like the woods, like if they want to, you know,

779
00:47:24,199 --> 00:47:26,719
per se whack you, you will never hear it coming.

780
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,960
And when people are like, I'm like, oh, that's that's

781
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,559
probably just a deer or something. Sometimes people are like, well,

782
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:32,960
how do you know how do you know something like

783
00:47:33,039 --> 00:47:35,119
I hear it, I hear it moving, I can hear

784
00:47:35,159 --> 00:47:39,039
it making. You know these you know, animal steps and

785
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,599
doing animal things like that's that's a squirrel jumping through

786
00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:45,159
the leaves and you know that can even sound like

787
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,840
oh what is that? Right? They can make a ruckus.

788
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,920
But you know, you get you get so used to

789
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,400
these things, and uh, same way as like you said,

790
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,559
under the rest in different things, same way that would

791
00:47:58,599 --> 00:48:00,599
be for a weapon. Like when people want to catch

792
00:48:00,639 --> 00:48:03,280
them on camera, I always say, look, if you want

793
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,960
to catch them on camera, practice, you know. Practice. When

794
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,119
you see a deer and you know that deer is

795
00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:10,000
going to run off, try to film it. Try to

796
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,559
film that deer, and then when it runs off, try

797
00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:14,320
to keep up with it and keep it in frame.

798
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,760
If you see a squirrel, try to keep up with

799
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,239
it and keep it in frame, you know, and you'll

800
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,679
see how hard that is to do. So imagine trying

801
00:48:21,679 --> 00:48:23,800
to film a dog man right or whatever else is

802
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:28,519
out there. You know, it's the same with a UFO.

803
00:48:29,159 --> 00:48:30,920
If you want to film the UFO, don't wait till

804
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,519
you see a UFO. Start filming birds, you know, start

805
00:48:33,559 --> 00:48:36,320
filming planes, and try to keep up with that and

806
00:48:36,679 --> 00:48:42,920
have that muscle memory placement. Yeah, it's it could be

807
00:48:43,039 --> 00:48:46,079
very very dangerous, you know. And yeah, like you said,

808
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:47,800
I don't know if you want to put a bullet

809
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,519
in these things, because I don't know if you really

810
00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:55,320
want to wage war. I've never had an occasion and thought,

811
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,880
well that guy was, that thing was by itself. I've

812
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,960
always had the feeling at least the field, like I

813
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:06,199
was surrounded, you know, like there's more what's watching me.

814
00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be a really bad situation. Not that one

815
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,320
of these guys would need help either, but if they

816
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,920
do have company and you decide to do that and

817
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:20,280
they decided to push the issue, then yeah, that's definitely

818
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,519
not very good. And to touch on what you said

819
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:24,880
about how there's nothing you can do against these guys

820
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,639
without a gun, you could always kick him in the yards.

821
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,079
I saw that work one time in a movie Monster Squad.

822
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:31,880
What do you think?

823
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:37,599
Speaker 3: Uh No, I don't think so. I think I told

824
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:41,320
you about the uh when the when when they first

825
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,679
came at me that one time I had that underbrush,

826
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:49,840
I started like side back pedaling. I don't even know

827
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:54,000
what I was doing, just trying to maneuver, But I

828
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:59,320
remember my my reaction, uh, in that fight or flight moment.

829
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,079
While I was f fighting, I I whipped out my knife.

830
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,679
You know, it's got like a four or five inch

831
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:10,400
blade maybe, and you know, just looking back in hindsight,

832
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,320
I'm like, well, the stupidest ignorant thing ever, right, Like

833
00:50:14,519 --> 00:50:17,719
what that thing was going to do nothing to it? Nothing?

834
00:50:18,199 --> 00:50:21,559
And it looked like Peter Pan whipping out his little

835
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,840
dagger against you know, Captain Oak's sword, but like to

836
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:30,920
the umpteen degree. But in that moment it was like

837
00:50:31,519 --> 00:50:34,079
I was, you know, that was my defense and I

838
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:36,440
haven't pulled out my blade probably to pick even my

839
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,440
fingernails in five years. So it was just interesting to

840
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,280
see the way I reacted. But yeah, there there was nothing,

841
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,480
you know, nothing I could have did, nothing, nothing good.

842
00:50:46,599 --> 00:50:50,159
Speaker 2: You realize that, Yeah, I don't think there's any future

843
00:50:50,159 --> 00:50:51,800
in trying to let the wind out of a dog

844
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,519
man with a four or five inch blade. Not a

845
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:59,119
good move, Yeah, not a good move at all. Everyone

846
00:50:59,199 --> 00:51:01,599
listening in the live chat, if you have any questions,

847
00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:03,880
which I'm sure you have tons of questions from Mike

848
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,159
you'd like to ask, please post them in all caps.

849
00:51:07,199 --> 00:51:10,400
That way I won't miss them. Mike, how would you

850
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,719
say your tactics differ from how other dog mean researchers

851
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,079
do things out there in the field.

852
00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:24,679
Speaker 3: That's a good question. I guess I could say that

853
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,159
a lot of people want to emanate what somebody else does,

854
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:29,920
like they want to they want to see what somebody

855
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,079
else is doing and then try to repeat it to

856
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:37,000
have success. I'm all about doing different things. I am

857
00:51:37,039 --> 00:51:40,079
all about being First of all, I really don't want

858
00:51:40,119 --> 00:51:44,039
to have any preconceived ideas or any agendas pushed on me,

859
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,760
or anything that's going to really affect my outlook or

860
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:53,079
you know, my interaction or whatever the case may be. Right,

861
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:54,960
I don't want to be swayed one way or another.

862
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,119
So I try not to do that with other people too.

863
00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:00,639
I try to kind of leave things as open ended

864
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:04,079
as possible. I do have some definitive thoughts and answers

865
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:06,920
on things, but I don't really drive that agenda home

866
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,239
because again, when I talk about a blanket statement, I

867
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:14,239
mean I can't say that that's the case for the

868
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:19,800
whole dog man race or species or right. I have

869
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:23,239
no idea. I can only talk from my experience or

870
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,159
from my areas or whatever, which is a drop in

871
00:52:27,199 --> 00:52:30,760
the ocean at best. Right. So this is where I

872
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,599
love the idea of pooling together, you know, And I

873
00:52:34,639 --> 00:52:38,920
don't know if that'll ever come to florition, but you know,

874
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,800
I can hope that maybe, you know, in a couple

875
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,199
of generations to come or whatever the case is, maybe

876
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,679
people will start to work together and pull things together.

877
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:52,119
But if we keep working on different ends of the

878
00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:55,599
spectrum and you know, things to that effect. It could

879
00:52:55,639 --> 00:52:58,400
be it can be tough, but that's probably the way

880
00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:03,760
I would say I differ is as experimental as possible.

881
00:53:05,039 --> 00:53:07,079
You know, maybe to a fault because it could be

882
00:53:07,199 --> 00:53:07,960
very dangerous.

883
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does seem like you do try a lot

884
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,960
of things. I've touched on this before in case he

885
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,119
didn't get the hint. Mike here, he spends more time

886
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:18,800
out there in the field than you can shake a

887
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,880
stick at. I mean, he's always out there all the time.

888
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,239
Whenever I try to catch up with him to see

889
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,679
what he's up to, he's telling me about how he's

890
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,719
either out there in the field, or he's about to

891
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,719
head into the field, or he just got back in.

892
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,920
This guy he doesn't let any grass grow under his

893
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,239
feet at all. I'm telling you he's the real deal,

894
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,239
it really is. I've got a first question for you

895
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:45,559
from Shauna Hinsala, and Shauna wants to know have you

896
00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:49,719
experienced mind speak? If you address this, I apologize I

897
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,559
stepped away for a moment. Thank you.

898
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:58,119
Speaker 3: Not from the dog man, not from dogmen that I

899
00:53:58,119 --> 00:54:03,639
can recall, have from Sasquatches, where I could definitively say

900
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:08,960
that that was occurring. Telepathy was occurring. It's nothing I've

901
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:14,199
ever experienced before or any other level with any other

902
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:18,079
thing or any other place or you know, any other time,

903
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,840
but no, not with dog Man. With dog Man I

904
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,639
was speaking earlier about when my girlfriend was in town

905
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,800
or in the States, I should say, but she was,

906
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:34,360
I believe, communicating telepathically what she believes was a dog man.

907
00:54:35,159 --> 00:54:38,760
And yeah, so that's at least what it looked like

908
00:54:39,559 --> 00:54:44,159
and what she recalls. So yeah, that's about Yeah, that's

909
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:46,719
about as much as I can say from my experience.

910
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,679
Speaker 2: Though it doesn't seem like these guys mind speaker is

911
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,800
often a sasquatch. I could be wrong about that, but

912
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,159
that just seems like that's the case to me. For

913
00:54:56,199 --> 00:55:00,719
whatever reason, I've been talking about how how brave you

914
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,440
are and how fearless you are when you head into

915
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,639
the woods, but you are human after all. When it

916
00:55:05,679 --> 00:55:08,679
boils down to it, has anything ever happened out there

917
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,599
when you've been researching that almost caused you to throw

918
00:55:11,639 --> 00:55:13,360
in the towel and give it up.

919
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 3: Almost every time, because one way or another, right, even

920
00:55:21,159 --> 00:55:23,519
if you don't love this, it will not love you back.

921
00:55:24,119 --> 00:55:28,880
I promise you that now I have complete and other

922
00:55:29,119 --> 00:55:36,400
utter passion for this and dedication and it's my like

923
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,719
prerogative to see this out. But it beats you up.

924
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:44,199
It beats you up, It beats you up financially, people

925
00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:47,039
think you get rich somehow doing this, not boots on

926
00:55:47,039 --> 00:55:49,400
the ground stuff. I mean, you will end up, you know,

927
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,400
putting out every time, whether it's you know, gas money

928
00:55:52,519 --> 00:55:54,920
or you know, tolls or this or that or whatever

929
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,440
the case is. But yeah, when you go into these

930
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,440
remote places too, is where tear on your body and

931
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,159
your vehicle and you know you're going you're going out.

932
00:56:04,199 --> 00:56:11,360
If you're going off trail, you're dealing with multiple ticks, mosquitos, this, that,

933
00:56:11,519 --> 00:56:18,320
the other thing, the thorns cutting you up, ripping your clothes. Yeah,

934
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:22,480
I have to get monthly pedicures. Might sound funny, right,

935
00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:26,360
but I have to because my feet are so abused,

936
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,239
you know, and that I don't know if anybody else

937
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,679
around here knows. I don't know. I've never gotten a

938
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,039
pedicure before a year ago. But they're not cheap, you know.

939
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:40,800
So these these these are things that really kind of

940
00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:45,360
take a toll and beat me up. But yeah, I

941
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,920
hope that answered the question. But yeah, I love it,

942
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,480
so I continue. But there's a lot of things that

943
00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:53,360
can make you want to just turn around and say, ah,

944
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,480
I forget about it, you know, whether it's the heat,

945
00:56:55,519 --> 00:56:56,559
the cold, whatever.

946
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,679
Speaker 2: No, they did answer, it's look ad job of doing that, Mike.

947
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:06,719
I know it's not lost on you that there's no

948
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,320
lack of people that seemingly want to go out and

949
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,559
research these guys. I don't understand it why they want

950
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:15,440
to do that, and there are a lot of people

951
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,280
out there doing it who, in my opinion, have no

952
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:21,159
business trying to do it. But if you want to

953
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,000
open up a restaurant, if you want to do this,

954
00:57:24,119 --> 00:57:27,280
if you want to do that, you name it, you're

955
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,639
almost guaranteed to be able to find a resource or

956
00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:33,119
resources that will guide you step by step on how

957
00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:35,360
to do whatever it is that you're looking to do.

958
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,039
But when it comes to dog Me and budding dog

959
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:41,000
Me and researchers like that, people who want to get

960
00:57:41,039 --> 00:57:43,199
out there but they don't know where to start, what

961
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:48,119
kind of advice would you give them?

962
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:56,599
Speaker 3: That's a great question, I guess. I mean, you know

963
00:57:56,639 --> 00:57:59,199
a lot of people get hull up on a lot

964
00:57:59,239 --> 00:58:04,159
of things like the ware and the time, and you know,

965
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,800
location is a big thing. I see people get stuck

966
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,960
on they research, and they research and they research and

967
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:14,280
the research and you're looking for the best area topographical

968
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,239
maps and this and that and oh they're searching these

969
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:21,440
websites where there's been sightings mass reported and uh, they're

970
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,360
pooled over here at this organization and there's been this

971
00:58:24,519 --> 00:58:26,639
many sightings here, so they want to go there or

972
00:58:26,679 --> 00:58:29,519
they want to piggyback off somebody else. The best thing

973
00:58:29,519 --> 00:58:31,880
you can do is go out and do it. You know,

974
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,039
go out and do it and experience it and just

975
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,159
you know, be mindful of now what you're doing and

976
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:42,199
your your intuitions, your instincts, your yourself will start to

977
00:58:42,239 --> 00:58:46,039
give you the answers that you need and show you

978
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:50,599
the places you need to be. You know, it doesn't

979
00:58:50,639 --> 00:58:53,840
I'm sure it doesn't hurt to listen to a few

980
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,800
of VIC shows and you know, or guests or whatever.

981
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:01,239
I'm sure by the titles you could kind of you know,

982
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:05,000
aim yourself at, you know, which which shows you'd want

983
00:59:05,039 --> 00:59:10,360
to listen to and which would be helpful. Yeah, I mean,

984
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:16,079
you know, like like the Cryptid Huntress, our friend Jessica, like,

985
00:59:16,199 --> 00:59:19,119
she goes out with a team of guys down in

986
00:59:19,199 --> 00:59:22,679
Georgia and they, to me, they have a good way

987
00:59:22,719 --> 00:59:25,920
of doing things. They have like a buddy system. Whenever

988
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,119
they go somewhere, they have a base camp that's always watched.

989
00:59:30,119 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: You know.

990
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 3: They have a team that works together and coordinates. My

991
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,719
friend Jack at Ohio too, and and those guys they work.

992
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,119
They would have walkie talkies, they communicate, they pair up.

993
00:59:41,199 --> 00:59:43,840
Now Jack does go out in Ohio by himself too,

994
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:50,320
But yeah, you know, it's just yeah, I guess muscle

995
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,599
memory and experience, you know, just to put yourself in

996
00:59:53,679 --> 00:59:55,760
it and see if you like it, see if you

997
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,039
love it, take a few steps through the woods, and

998
00:59:58,079 --> 00:59:59,440
then you know, just go from there.

999
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 2: That all sounds like really good advice, and they can

1000
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,760
be argue to a degree what the best advice is

1001
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:10,119
for someone who wants to get their feet wet investigating

1002
01:00:10,199 --> 01:00:13,239
these guys. But in my opinion, I think the best

1003
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,880
advice would be to try and link up with someone

1004
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:20,440
like you who really knows what they're doing. If you're

1005
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,760
convinced you want to start this and become a researcher,

1006
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,360
I can't see how you could do any worse than

1007
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,440
to head out with a well tenured researcher like Mike

1008
01:00:29,599 --> 01:00:32,519
or Al Santoriga or anyone else who really knows what

1009
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:33,559
they're doing out there.

1010
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 3: What do you think, Yeah, I mean that does that

1011
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:41,840
never hurts for sure. I mean, if you're it really

1012
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,400
doesn't hurt to find somebody in your area. I think

1013
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,239
that's always good to do, is always have somebody to

1014
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:54,239
lean on it, you know, because you're you're you're already

1015
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,960
alone on an island, right Like when when you know,

1016
01:00:57,119 --> 01:01:00,400
not figuratively, but when you get into this city situation

1017
01:01:00,599 --> 01:01:03,079
where if you have a sighting where you're trying to

1018
01:01:03,159 --> 01:01:05,920
research these things and you're trying to find them, you're

1019
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:10,760
putting yourself in this small category of people and a

1020
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:16,239
very very exposed, vulnerable group of people. People who tell

1021
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,880
their experiences and show their face and give their name

1022
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:23,599
are easy to now beat up and throw darts at.

1023
01:01:23,639 --> 01:01:26,800
And you become this open, wide, open target. Right. So

1024
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,760
it's not maybe as glamorous as it sounds for a

1025
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:34,239
lot of people, but definitely if you are going to

1026
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,239
get involved, definitely have somebody to kind of lean on

1027
01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:40,920
for those ups and downs, bumps and bruises, and most

1028
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:45,440
come from humans. In my opinion, most come from you.

1029
01:01:48,119 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 2: I can only imagine what it would be like to

1030
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,159
be able to go out and spend a weekend out

1031
01:01:52,159 --> 01:01:54,159
there in the bush with you learning all of the

1032
01:01:54,239 --> 01:01:58,119
ups and downs and ins and outs of researching these guys.

1033
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:00,840
It's like one of those things things where you don't

1034
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,960
know how much you don't know until you actually try

1035
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:07,000
to do it. From trying to figure out places to research,

1036
01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:09,360
because if you go out to places where there aren't

1037
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,239
any dog mean you're not going to have any luck,

1038
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,440
and all the other things that you would need to

1039
01:02:13,519 --> 01:02:17,119
know to be a competent researcher. I can only imagine

1040
01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:19,719
what it must be like to just be starting and

1041
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,119
have all these questions and have such a hard time

1042
01:02:23,159 --> 01:02:26,440
finding the answers to them. It's got to be so frustrating.

1043
01:02:27,559 --> 01:02:30,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know you gotta you gotta understand there's

1044
01:02:30,719 --> 01:02:35,440
so many variables. So say you're camping, right, I tell

1045
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,840
people have like a dry run and have a practice run.

1046
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:39,559
If you hear something go bump in the night, you

1047
01:02:39,559 --> 01:02:42,000
don't want that to be the time that you you

1048
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,599
you try to get up and figure it out. I

1049
01:02:44,679 --> 01:02:47,440
do things like I have these uh these tap lights

1050
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,159
that are supposed to be headlamps. They saw them at

1051
01:02:50,199 --> 01:02:52,800
Walmart for a dollar. They're supposed to be headlights, but

1052
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:56,480
they're really dull lights. But I say, take I take

1053
01:02:56,519 --> 01:02:59,119
the head strap and I undo it so it's a

1054
01:02:59,159 --> 01:03:01,119
long strap and I tie it to the top of

1055
01:03:01,159 --> 01:03:03,360
the tent. I have one that goes right over my head,

1056
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,000
so I reach up if I wake up, I hear something, whatever,

1057
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,719
I want to get up, I reach straight up and

1058
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,119
it's there. Boop. Turn that on, and I have one

1059
01:03:10,159 --> 01:03:12,400
in the door of the tent hanging down. Boot hit

1060
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,840
that on the way out. Get the flashlight ready to

1061
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,079
go right by the door, the big bright light, you know,

1062
01:03:17,159 --> 01:03:19,719
and have that ready to go and see what's there.

1063
01:03:21,239 --> 01:03:23,039
You know. I have the camera ready to go right

1064
01:03:23,079 --> 01:03:25,280
next to it or whatever, your phone, whatever the case

1065
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:32,000
may be. Also multiple fires, you know, like yeah, it's

1066
01:03:32,039 --> 01:03:36,880
something I use too, not only just keep out bugs,

1067
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,079
Like I have one I use to like create smoke

1068
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:40,760
and it kind of keeps bugs away and stuff. But

1069
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,400
I have multiple fires, like smaller fires and stuff, which

1070
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:47,079
expands the fish tang fish bowl thing I was talking

1071
01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:51,159
about earlier. If you have just one big fire in

1072
01:03:51,159 --> 01:03:54,280
the middle. You'd be surprised how much light that that

1073
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,320
puts out. But it doesn't really go very far. Now

1074
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,960
if you put these like two smaller fires like no

1075
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:02,679
matter how you want to put them, you know whatever,

1076
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,719
it tickles your fancy, but it really really expands your

1077
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,559
vision in that in that dark darkness, you know, when

1078
01:04:08,639 --> 01:04:11,199
you're if you're out there in a place where it's

1079
01:04:11,239 --> 01:04:14,320
not like a campground, it's it's just, oh, you know,

1080
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:18,199
we're out here, like you know, you want to kind

1081
01:04:18,199 --> 01:04:21,840
of expand your range of your property. You know, of

1082
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:27,679
your little safety net and that light, that light overnight,

1083
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,239
that light is your safety net.

1084
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,159
Speaker 2: Yeah. I can imagine what it would be like to be

1085
01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:35,800
in dog me in country at night when the fire

1086
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,159
goes out and you can't get another one started. That

1087
01:04:38,159 --> 01:04:43,840
wouldn't be good at all. Looks like Bang Bang wants

1088
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:47,000
to know, Mike, what's more prevalent in your area? Dog

1089
01:04:47,079 --> 01:04:49,559
men or bigfoot?

1090
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 3: Oh? Man, that's a great question. I'd only be speculating

1091
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,880
if I said one way or another. Uh, you know,

1092
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,800
I don't have a definitive answer. No, I've looked for

1093
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:10,440
I should say. Whatever I've been dealing with Sasquatch a

1094
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,280
lot longer than dog Man. So I guess I would

1095
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,920
say I would be more prone to say Bigfoot. But

1096
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,079
I don't know. It could very well be dog man.

1097
01:05:20,159 --> 01:05:23,960
It could very very well well be. In fact, I

1098
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:30,880
wouldn't be surprised at all at all. Yeah, yeah, I'd

1099
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,119
just be speculating. But I think i'd say dog man.

1100
01:05:34,719 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 2: That's not a comforting thought, is it real at all?

1101
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,119
It looks like Jamie wants to know, Mike, what do

1102
01:05:43,159 --> 01:05:45,119
you think would happen if a dog man in a

1103
01:05:45,119 --> 01:05:48,760
Bigfoot met up? Do you think they coexist or avoid

1104
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:49,280
each other?

1105
01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 3: Both? I describe. But this is just a thought, right,

1106
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:01,199
this is my opinion on my experience. I think they

1107
01:06:01,239 --> 01:06:04,199
have areas. Now. I try to refer to like an

1108
01:06:04,239 --> 01:06:08,679
African safari. If you think about those shows you watch

1109
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,199
growing up, like when they're they're showing like.

1110
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 2: The uh the.

1111
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 3: Uh, the hots, the hot season or whatever they call it,

1112
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:23,800
the dry season, and there's only those isolated areas of water.

1113
01:06:24,599 --> 01:06:26,880
Now you have all these different walks of life that

1114
01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:31,039
normally don't interact. Right now, they're all crossing paths. The zebras,

1115
01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:34,320
the crocodiles, the lions, the you know, the boor is

1116
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:38,039
the everything, the girafts, everything's in this one spot because

1117
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:42,400
that's where the water is, right. I do think that now.

1118
01:06:42,679 --> 01:06:45,239
I do think they coexist when they have to, but

1119
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:48,079
otherwise they stay away when it comes to water or

1120
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,559
whatever your beliefs may be, whether it's water or peorls

1121
01:06:51,719 --> 01:06:54,760
or you know whatever. The you know, your your extent

1122
01:06:54,840 --> 01:07:00,280
of belief and understanding goes to you know. I do

1123
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:02,599
like the vix take on it. I think it kind

1124
01:07:02,599 --> 01:07:04,920
of goes back and forth when it comes to dog man.

1125
01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:08,320
The longer you you know, hear about them, it kind

1126
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:11,039
of bounce back and forth between the ether and the

1127
01:07:11,159 --> 01:07:16,400
and the here and now flesh and blood. Yeah, So anyway,

1128
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:17,880
that's my kind of take on it. I think they

1129
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:19,880
coexist when they have to, and they avoid each other

1130
01:07:20,199 --> 01:07:20,920
every other time.

1131
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 2: That makes sense. It really does. Looks like Shanna Hensela

1132
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:30,159
has a question for you. She wants to know, has

1133
01:07:30,199 --> 01:07:34,920
your girlfriend had dog men experiences overseas wherever she lives?

1134
01:07:36,639 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 3: No, No, she was. She was in London, so it's

1135
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:48,719
like limited limited space as far as it's similar to

1136
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:53,079
New York City, I guess, like, you know, so her

1137
01:07:53,159 --> 01:07:55,920
experience is pretty limited, not that she's lived there her

1138
01:07:55,920 --> 01:08:00,000
whole life. But yeah, I think that was her first

1139
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:04,280
experience with UH with dog Man, and she spent a

1140
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:07,679
lot of time with me in the field and we've

1141
01:08:07,719 --> 01:08:11,159
had other experiences, but that was, you know, the notable

1142
01:08:11,199 --> 01:08:12,880
one when it came to dog Man that I could

1143
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:13,199
think of.

1144
01:08:15,559 --> 01:08:19,119
Speaker 2: Well, just imagine all the things that she's experienced out

1145
01:08:19,119 --> 01:08:21,479
there when she's gone with you. I can only imagine

1146
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:22,960
what it must have been like, must have been a

1147
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,319
circus all those times.

1148
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little like I have one people. I say,

1149
01:08:28,159 --> 01:08:30,720
it's a little like Alice in Wonderland, Like it's a

1150
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:34,399
little wacky, you know. And I can't promise anything. I can't.

1151
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,920
I can't. I don't want to sound cocky when I

1152
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,520
say it or whatever, but I also have to tell people, Look,

1153
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,239
this is probably not going to be your you know,

1154
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:46,800
your average walk in the woods. It's usually not. But

1155
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:50,600
I think once you kind of know what you're looking

1156
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:56,039
at to and even even your average animal. Like I

1157
01:08:56,079 --> 01:08:59,119
see people walk past me sometimes when I'm on populated

1158
01:08:59,159 --> 01:09:03,000
trails and stuff, and I have my cameraman. I'll no,

1159
01:09:03,159 --> 01:09:05,239
I just walked by two herds of deer because I

1160
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:07,720
saw them. And then people will walk past the same

1161
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:09,720
stuff and then ask me where I'm at, Hey, have

1162
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:11,680
you seen anything out of here? And I'm like, oh, yeah,

1163
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,119
they just saw some deer back there, and they're like, oh, really,

1164
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:18,319
I had you. There was two herds of them, you know.

1165
01:09:18,359 --> 01:09:22,720
But it just goes to show like how uh unaware

1166
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,399
people are and then or maybe how hyper visual an

1167
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:25,760
I am.

1168
01:09:26,159 --> 01:09:29,600
Speaker 2: You know, well, you know it is most people when

1169
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,399
they're out there in the woods, they've got their noses

1170
01:09:31,399 --> 01:09:34,720
in their phones, or they're not paying attention whatever they're doing.

1171
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,840
They're not paying attention to their surroundings. So that doesn't

1172
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:42,720
come as a surprise. It looks like Sean Patterson wants

1173
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,359
to know, Mike, did you give them donuts?

1174
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,279
Speaker 3: It's a good buddy of mine, he's got he's got

1175
01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:53,159
a lot of dog man experience too. I won't I

1176
01:09:53,159 --> 01:09:57,239
don't want to speak for him, but I didn't. I

1177
01:09:57,239 --> 01:10:00,960
didn't give them donuts. I don't think I did. Start

1178
01:10:01,039 --> 01:10:03,560
using bait bags, I call them, but it's it's in

1179
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:08,840
essence chumming, chumming the areas around base camp with these

1180
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:12,680
loaded zip hop bags of all sorts of stuff, and uh,

1181
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,800
it's you know, I don't recommend it at all, because

1182
01:10:16,199 --> 01:10:19,880
sure enough the season is churning now, so I'll probably

1183
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,039
steer away from it. But as soon as the bears

1184
01:10:22,079 --> 01:10:25,880
go back into hibernation, I'll start doing it again. Now

1185
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:27,239
I could do it here on the island because we

1186
01:10:27,279 --> 01:10:30,039
don't have a bear, which I think I've spoken to

1187
01:10:30,039 --> 01:10:32,880
you about before. It's it's pretty easy, honestly, when I

1188
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:38,199
see something large, dark, whatever or stealthy moving through the brush,

1189
01:10:38,319 --> 01:10:40,960
and if I if I don't recognize it as a

1190
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,359
white tail, it's almost pretty easy for me to discern, like, oh,

1191
01:10:45,279 --> 01:10:47,359
and probably got a cryptid over here, you know, probably

1192
01:10:47,399 --> 01:10:50,479
have a maybe that's how we got to dog Man

1193
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,800
on your Hands the name of that one show. But yeah,

1194
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:55,720
that's pretty much what I say, Like, I'm like, oh,

1195
01:10:56,119 --> 01:10:57,760
probably have a cryptid or a dog man on my

1196
01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:58,319
hands here.

1197
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 2: Well, you'd be the first to know, you really would.

1198
01:11:04,319 --> 01:11:07,039
Kurt Schlichten wants to know, Mike, have you ever tried

1199
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:11,119
is it reeky? Is that how it's pronounced? Yeah?

1200
01:11:11,159 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 3: Yeah? Reiki?

1201
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:15,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, reiki? Have you ever tried reiki before or during

1202
01:11:15,319 --> 01:11:18,640
your investigations to see what kind of experience would happen.

1203
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:26,399
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, that's actually it's pretty much what I do

1204
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:30,479
when I'm out there. I've adapted that into my style.

1205
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,479
Sometimes I just want to go on a normal walk

1206
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:36,319
and I just I just walk, you know. I don't

1207
01:11:36,359 --> 01:11:40,520
tap in on that level, but that is something I do. Absolutely.

1208
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:44,439
It is like I tap into my own reiki, life energy,

1209
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:48,399
whatever you want to say, and it's like an energetic

1210
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:55,439
healing process. And yeah, absolutely I use it. Like I've

1211
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:57,439
spoken to a few people about it who are in

1212
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:00,600
the field and know about reiki, and they adapted it

1213
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,279
right into theirs as soon as they heard me say,

1214
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:07,079
they adapted it into theirs their field research, and they

1215
01:12:07,119 --> 01:12:10,880
got optimal results. Now, this one guy was in Oklahoma

1216
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,600
and now he's in Michigan. Another guy, a woman, she's

1217
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:17,760
up in Massachusetts, older woman. She adapted like her Christian

1218
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:21,119
beliefs and the reiki and everything into her field research

1219
01:12:21,159 --> 01:12:25,520
and it just boom, I co exploded and results I

1220
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:32,079
should say. Yeah, So I absolutely use it as a tool.

1221
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:36,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something extra about these guys. They're not just

1222
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,199
flesh and blood creatures out there trying to scratch out

1223
01:12:39,199 --> 01:12:42,640
a living. There's definitely something extra to them. I wish

1224
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,720
I knew what the extent of their abilities would be

1225
01:12:46,079 --> 01:12:49,319
and I had all these answers about them, but I

1226
01:12:49,319 --> 01:12:51,479
guess that's never going to happen. It's just one of

1227
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,720
those things. This next question for you is from Bang

1228
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:57,600
Bang and Bang Bang wants to know, Mike. Do people

1229
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:01,199
you talk to about Bigfoot think dogged me exists as well?

1230
01:13:03,039 --> 01:13:09,399
Speaker 3: Oh? That's uh. That can vary, you know. Some people

1231
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:14,960
are some people believe it. Some people are on the

1232
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:18,079
scale of like, you know, where I'm at at this point,

1233
01:13:18,119 --> 01:13:21,880
Like I don't I don't disbelieve anything at this point

1234
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:23,920
because I'm like, if you could pretty much think it,

1235
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,600
I probably believe it because it's just that wacky, you know.

1236
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:30,239
But I'm also not trying to say like I'm a

1237
01:13:30,279 --> 01:13:32,520
sucker and I'll believe everything. But you know what I mean,

1238
01:13:33,399 --> 01:13:36,279
My my extent is, my my end of the spectrum

1239
01:13:36,319 --> 01:13:39,880
is on the high level believing these things can be

1240
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:43,960
out there but from what I've seen so far, And

1241
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:47,000
then other people will just say, hey, no, there's no way,

1242
01:13:47,039 --> 01:13:52,640
like there is no way, like no, that's misidentification, no way,

1243
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:57,399
that's da da da da dah. You have to just

1244
01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:02,119
let them soaking their in their moment, in their in

1245
01:14:02,239 --> 01:14:09,279
their state of understanding, you know, Like I've heard Vic

1246
01:14:09,319 --> 01:14:11,880
say a hundred times, like I'd rather listen to people

1247
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,800
and hear them out rather than turn people away. But

1248
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:19,319
that there's no way that there's six hundred people making

1249
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:23,119
up stories, you know what I'm saying, like including myself,

1250
01:14:23,199 --> 01:14:26,520
Like I there's nothing to gain from it, like nothing,

1251
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:31,239
you know. So but yeah, there's there's there's some people

1252
01:14:31,279 --> 01:14:34,359
that are believe in in something. Yeah, i'd say it's

1253
01:14:34,359 --> 01:14:40,239
about it's leaning, it's more leaning towards I don't know

1254
01:14:40,279 --> 01:14:41,880
if like dog I don't want to see dog Man

1255
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,359
is trending, but I think there's more, you know, more

1256
01:14:44,399 --> 01:14:47,399
people are knowing about it these days.

1257
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, considering all these experiences you've had, there's no way

1258
01:14:52,319 --> 01:14:55,039
that you could be close minded, that's for sure.

1259
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 3: I wish I could sometimes I understand.

1260
01:15:00,159 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 2: I'll bet you do. It looks like Glynn Kamada wants

1261
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,880
to know which is more a nerving to see dog

1262
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:07,880
Man or the Rake?

1263
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:18,640
Speaker 3: Oh Man, I guess it's situational. I don't I get

1264
01:15:19,359 --> 01:15:23,920
probably the rake. It's honestly, it's weirder to see something

1265
01:15:24,079 --> 01:15:29,079
so close to a human form that it's just so weird.

1266
01:15:29,119 --> 01:15:32,600
It was really weird. But yeah, dog man is much

1267
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:37,680
much scarier in appearance and their presentation. I guess the

1268
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:44,119
way they came at me in the one time. Yeah,

1269
01:15:44,319 --> 01:15:46,680
I don't wish it on anybody either. One.

1270
01:15:48,039 --> 01:15:50,399
Speaker 2: I guess part of that depends upon what dogmen you

1271
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:54,000
run into, also what rake you run into. I mean,

1272
01:15:54,039 --> 01:15:56,920
they're dog men that are going to be more apoplectic

1273
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,560
in their behavior, and then you've got other ones that

1274
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,079
are going to be more laid back. Same thing holds

1275
01:16:02,119 --> 01:16:05,680
true for rakesalm pretty sure. So I guess it just

1276
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:11,520
depends absolutely. Yeah, that's how it normally is. This next

1277
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:15,479
question for you is from Mike Triple seven year. He

1278
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,279
wants to know do dog men prefer to move around

1279
01:16:18,319 --> 01:16:19,239
when it's raining.

1280
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 3: I believe that, I believe so. I believe all cryptids

1281
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:29,640
take advantage of the ring. You know, it's similar to

1282
01:16:30,399 --> 01:16:33,960
dark when it comes to us and our our ability

1283
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:38,159
to see them. And I believe it's there's a lot

1284
01:16:38,199 --> 01:16:42,439
more energy flowing between the water coming from the sky storm,

1285
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:44,720
whatever the case may be. I believe there's a lot

1286
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:49,119
more energy for them to work with, So, especially the

1287
01:16:49,239 --> 01:16:54,239
nocturnal cryptids like dog Man. I believe they're more nocturnal

1288
01:16:54,279 --> 01:16:57,039
than not. I think they're I think they operate on

1289
01:16:57,079 --> 01:16:59,880
both levels, daytime and night, but I think they do

1290
01:17:00,039 --> 01:17:02,279
a lot more at night, same as a sasquatch and

1291
01:17:02,399 --> 01:17:04,840
anything else you know that wants to stay out of

1292
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:11,720
our sight. Yeah, so I do believe they do move

1293
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:14,800
around more when it's raining, absolutely, you know, especially in

1294
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:15,399
the daytime.

1295
01:17:17,079 --> 01:17:19,199
Speaker 2: One thing to not lose sight of is the fact

1296
01:17:19,239 --> 01:17:22,199
that if it's raining, that's a lot of ambient noise

1297
01:17:22,279 --> 01:17:24,760
to cover up their footsteps and make it easier to

1298
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:25,680
sneak up on prey.

1299
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,520
Speaker 3: Great point, Yeah that too, Yeah.

1300
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:32,279
Speaker 2: Something not to lose sight of. The next one for

1301
01:17:32,319 --> 01:17:35,520
you is from Red Tipped Savage, and he wants to

1302
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:39,359
know have you noticed a smoky foggy mist in association

1303
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:40,239
with dog Men?

1304
01:17:42,319 --> 01:17:50,039
Speaker 3: Well, interesting enough, I would normally say no, but really,

1305
01:17:50,119 --> 01:17:54,239
really far back into my early days, before I was

1306
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:58,399
on the trail of Dogman or even had any encounters

1307
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:02,399
or experiences or even thoughts about them, I did see

1308
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:05,319
this white fog like it was almost like a smoke,

1309
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:07,880
and it was floating past me, and it was a

1310
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:09,800
pretty big mass. I would say it was two or

1311
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:14,800
three you know, of my with maybe four uh, and

1312
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:19,000
it was probably from the ground to like, I don't know,

1313
01:18:19,239 --> 01:18:22,439
twelve feet off the ground. That's about the width, you know.

1314
01:18:24,399 --> 01:18:28,159
Not not huge, but not not small either, And it

1315
01:18:28,199 --> 01:18:30,159
was kind of it just caught the corner out of

1316
01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:34,439
my right side peripheral and then it floated past me.

1317
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:36,119
But I kind of was it was still off to

1318
01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:38,399
my right, and as it came in front of me

1319
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:42,359
into my left, it went down into the ground, like

1320
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:45,319
towards the ground. And I swear to God, I saw

1321
01:18:45,319 --> 01:18:48,560
it take this form of what looked like a white dog,

1322
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,840
and it took off and I had no idea what

1323
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:53,840
I just witnessed. I had no idea what I saw.

1324
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:57,279
I kind of just brushed it off, and I just

1325
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:00,199
I had I had brought it up and I was

1326
01:19:00,279 --> 01:19:02,840
talking to somebody about it. This is going back probably

1327
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:06,920
like six years, and they were like, oh, so I

1328
01:19:07,039 --> 01:19:11,119
was a Wahuila. Okay, I had no idea what you're

1329
01:19:11,119 --> 01:19:14,840
talking about. And it's some kind of Native American spirit dog,

1330
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:18,720
And yeah, I don't know. I don't know what it was.

1331
01:19:19,159 --> 01:19:22,560
I can't really tell you one way or another. But

1332
01:19:23,159 --> 01:19:25,199
that's about the only time I've seen a white fog.

1333
01:19:25,239 --> 01:19:27,720
And when you say related to dog Man, I mean

1334
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:29,720
that that's kind of what I was thinking of. Maybe

1335
01:19:30,239 --> 01:19:32,600
I don't know. I don't know. I could just tell

1336
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:34,319
you what happened. I don't want to fill in anything

1337
01:19:35,199 --> 01:19:36,039
anything extra.

1338
01:19:37,159 --> 01:19:42,079
Speaker 2: Well, that's admirable that you stick to the truth. I've

1339
01:19:42,119 --> 01:19:45,359
got one more question for you from Christianne and then

1340
01:19:45,359 --> 01:19:47,119
we're going to get ready to get out of here.

1341
01:19:47,199 --> 01:19:50,600
Her question is, Mike, do you think the American Bigfoot

1342
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,920
are as aggressive as the Russian ones like in the

1343
01:19:54,119 --> 01:19:55,880
dial a Ta past incident.

1344
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a great question. I don't know. Now you

1345
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:10,399
have to understand now, like our country is, at least

1346
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:13,800
the United States, is basically built off lies and cover

1347
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:18,479
ups and you know, hidden truths. So it's hard to

1348
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,960
dig to the bottom and say how much is covered up?

1349
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:25,359
If there is a story that matches that that incident,

1350
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:29,039
that maybe was covered up, right, And I think they

1351
01:20:29,039 --> 01:20:32,279
even tried to cover up that incident, But there was

1352
01:20:32,319 --> 01:20:35,880
a lot of evidence pointing to weird things, like they

1353
01:20:36,119 --> 01:20:38,119
cut the back of the tent to get out, and

1354
01:20:38,199 --> 01:20:39,520
it looked like they were trying to get out in

1355
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:42,680
a hurry things to that effect. We don't know. We

1356
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,920
don't know what was done afterwards or beforehand.

1357
01:20:45,399 --> 01:20:45,560
Speaker 2: But.

1358
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,399
Speaker 3: I can't say it. Like, as far as asquatch, I've

1359
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:56,880
never experienced anything violent, Like nothing, nothing even really intimidating,

1360
01:20:57,079 --> 01:21:00,119
you know, maybe like a grunt out of nowhere, you know,

1361
01:21:00,279 --> 01:21:02,439
and that's up for debate as to what did it,

1362
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:06,159
you know. But I just know that something out there

1363
01:21:06,239 --> 01:21:08,880
is telling me, hey, slow your roll back up, you know,

1364
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,079
don't go further, that kind of thing, and I just

1365
01:21:12,159 --> 01:21:14,640
double back at a at a at a smart at

1366
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,359
this point. You know, I've pushed the boundaries a few

1367
01:21:17,399 --> 01:21:22,239
too many times and it doesn't usually turn out. Well, well,

1368
01:21:22,279 --> 01:21:23,279
that's right, Yeah.

1369
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 2: It's really good, you know, to listen to your instincts.

1370
01:21:29,039 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 3: I've pushed the boundaries before. Yeah, I do now now

1371
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:34,560
I listen to everything. You know, trust your gut. They

1372
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:35,880
say that's yeah.

1373
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 2: Do that. Yeah, that's always a good move. Well, it's

1374
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:42,600
almost time for us to get out of here. But

1375
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:47,239
before we do, Mike, please promote your YouTube channel.

1376
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:51,640
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's it's in the bottom here of the

1377
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:55,600
long had Bigfoot is my YouTube channel, and I have

1378
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:58,119
stuff up there, like I try to bring people along

1379
01:21:58,199 --> 01:22:00,840
for the for the ride, for the experiens, for the

1380
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:02,640
for the whole hike. If you look at for like

1381
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:07,880
edited stuff and well done editing or or you know,

1382
01:22:08,039 --> 01:22:11,439
just highlight reels, definitely not the channel for you. But

1383
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,800
if you like to experience things like front to back,

1384
01:22:15,159 --> 01:22:18,239
I try to. I try to start filming like in

1385
01:22:18,319 --> 01:22:20,760
the beginning and bring people along for the whole, you know,

1386
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:24,760
the whole journey. Sometimes I'll cut it off and whatever,

1387
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,600
but the you know, and take personal time. But that's

1388
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:29,840
pretty much what my videos are. Just roll and cut

1389
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:33,079
footage and then I leave it up to other people too,

1390
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:36,560
you know interpret Other times I'll put stuff up just

1391
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:39,920
the highlight reel, but that's it depends if it's something

1392
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:40,560
I see or not.

1393
01:22:42,399 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 2: Of course, Mike is just being humble here. His YouTube

1394
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,760
channel is the closest you're gonna come to being able

1395
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:51,159
to have the privilege of heading out into the woods

1396
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:54,439
with this guy to soak up all the things, well

1397
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:56,560
not all the things, but some of the things that

1398
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:59,279
he's he knows and is willing to put out there.

1399
01:23:00,199 --> 01:23:02,800
You definitely should check it out if you haven't already done, so,

1400
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,359
you really should, And I'll post a link to his

1401
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:08,680
channel and the description for tonight's show as well, of course,

1402
01:23:09,119 --> 01:23:12,359
just so everyone knows. But having said that, Mike, I

1403
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can't thank you enough for coming on the show tonight

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and having this chat with me and answering all these questions.

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I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, no, anytime, anytime. I appreciate you. And I apologize

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guys for the last week because I was the person

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lined up for last week and I just wasn't feeling well.

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So I just I appreciate you for taking that into consideration.

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And yeah, thank you for having me. It's always a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's always great having you. And please don't worry

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about that. Your health comes first. I mean, like I

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told you, if you weren't feeling up to it, or

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if you're a borderline not feeling up to it, then

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we could always push it back. So I'm just glad

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you're feeling better now. Thank goodness.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. And as you know, Mike, if I

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can ever help you somehow, some way, please do be

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sure to let me know.

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Speaker 3: Oh. Yeah, you're the best. I'm appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Oh it goes two ways. Well, thanks again so much

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for your.

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Speaker 3: Time and have a great night you too, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, we'll see ya all right. That's it for another

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episode of the show. If you've had a dog man

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encounter that you need help coming to terms with, or

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if you'd like to come on the show and share

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your experience with the listeners, all you need to do

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is to go to dogmanencounters dot com submit a report,

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and if you do that, then I'll contact you to

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schedule a phone consultation with you. It's that easy. But

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having said that, thanks against so much everyone for listening,

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and I hope you have a great night.

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Speaker 1: Ms or Pistol English