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Dogmanencounters dot com forward slash podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so
much for joining us for another episode of Dogman Encounters Radio.
Really appreciate you joining us. Tonight's guest has been featured
on episodes four, seventy eight and five oh one. He
is one of the most experienced dog Mean researchers you're
gonna find out there. In fact, if you have any
questions about researching these guys, you could do a lot
worse than to contact him and try to pick his brain. Luckily,
being as nice as a guy as he is, he'd
probably jump with the opportunity to help you with that. Well,
before I waste any more time, let's bring him in
here now, Mike, thanks so much for coming back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for having me. Thank you for the
kind build up too, That was a nice.
Speaker 2: Well, you're welcome. Just telling the truth here, telling them
like it is, Mike. For anybody who's missed the prior
episodes you're featured on, please tell them about yourself.
Speaker 3: Oh sure, Yeah, my name is Mike. I am since
your average guy, I guess from the suburbs of Eastern
and Long Island, went in to the army, you know,
just a normal guy probably till I went up and
went into the army and like a two and a
half year tour, and then my unit was going overseas Afghanistan,
so I signed back up to do that and spent
the year in Afghanistan Korea for a year. When I
came back, I was pretty messed up, got a little,
you know, back into addiction, kind of had a hold
on me and sort of the trauma from overseas, and
I did a lot of work on myself and I
was just like getting really healed in a lot of ways.
And I was like going down these different avenues that
I had used to make fun of in the past,
like doing yoga and Reiki was something that I picked on,
which basically just means life energy and is translation one
got certified and that a couple of times. So I
was just kind of like this shell of myself. So
I was looking for something and Bigfoot was just kind
of coming across my you know. I had always been
interested in cryptids, like lockness was always something I was into,
like and Essie was always something I was into since
I was a kid. And you know, my mom would
always ask me, well, where do you want to go
on vacation. It was it was like a dead end question.
We're always going to go to Montalk, which you know,
like that was all we could afford. But I would
always say, I want to go to Locked Nets, And
I would even as a kid, I would always say, like,
you just got to get me there, Like, if you
get me there, I'll show you where we got to
sit to see this thing. And you know, as you
grow older into a teen and you know, a young adult,
that stuff feeds away and you just suppress it. But
I wasn't able to suppress it for long because I
form people who know me, I bumped into a suburban
sabsquatch probably going on six seven years ago. Obviously I
couldn't really ignore that. Like I said to people, like
I think when people encounter something like that, you either
kind of us it as much as you can you
ignore it. You say, I'm never going back in the woods.
You know, people move to the city, whatever the case
may be. For me, I had to get more answers,
so that's been kind of it was cool because I
had a purpose again too, So I've just been on
this mission for answers, and you know, as deep as
it goes, wherever it goes, however weird it gets, I
just kind of leave myself open to it. I don't
suggest all. I don't suggest the way I do it
to everybody. I do things a lot alone. I do
things very trial and error style. But I guess I
have a lot of experience through that, some and mostly good,
you know, mostly great, you know, like the few bad
incidents and encounters I would call them or traumatic or
whatever you want to categorize them, ask they are so
much outweighed by the good and more than you know,
where nothing really happens. You know, I don't want to
act like if you go out at night, like you're
gonna bump into a dog man or something like. It's
it's not that, you know, simple and they don't really
want to be bothered or found or right. So, so
by way of that, I stumbled into dog Man. I
didn't really want to. At first. It wasn't really something
that was There was so much going on with Sasquatch
that I didn't feel the need to kind of dive
into other cryptids, but they just just kind of in
the same fashion, just presented themselves and not in a
very kind fashion. So that but that's a whole other story.
So I hope that kind of sums it up a
little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that does a really good job of summing it up.
But there's something else I want to put out there
for the listeners. If you didn't know it. This guy here, Mike,
let me tell you about him. He won't think twice
by heading into areas where dogmen are in Sasquatch too,
but mostly we're talking about dogmen here tonight. He won't
think twice by heading into areas by himself and spend
a night to who knows how long in what he
calls the fish bowl because at nighttime, when you're sitting
around the campfire there, he says, and he's right, it's
like you're in a fishbowl. All these creatures they can
watch you and you never know they're out there unless
they make their presence known. But he won't think twice
about doing that in the creepiest places. We're talking places
at Scooby and Shaggy wouldn't even go into and he
just heads right out there, and after he heads home,
he can't wait to head back out to another place.
Just like that. If you see Mike throwing everything down
and running for the car truck, you know you've got
a serious problem on your hands. This guy, he's got
nerves of steel, he really does. He's made to do
this thing. But that brings us my first question for you, Mike,
when you're heading out into the woods to do quote
unquote dog mean research, is it more of a case
of you looking for them or are you looking for
something else inward to do with you?
Speaker 3: Now? When it's when it's dog men related, I don't.
It's nothing inward necessarily. I do, like I might seem
like I have nerves of steel, but it is not necessarily.
It's not that I'm not scared. It's just that I don't.
I don't want to show it right, and I don't
want to like present my fear to anything negative out there.
It's similar to something you would hear, like two people
who go in a haunt to the house or whatever.
Right you don't want to give them. You don't want
to give the negative spirits, fear or anything for them
to feed off. And I think dog men really, really
really get off on people who are scared. I really do.
And it's almost like they I don't know, I don't
It's almost like they enjoy torturing people mentally. And I
know that sounds weird, but I just honestly, it just
seems like a pastime or something maybe in between you know,
deer kills or whatever they do. But when I go out,
there's I mean, I'm trialing error on a lot of scales.
The fish bowl is one. I love that idea because it's, uh,
you're putting yourself on display, you know. And I try
try to bring them in, like I started. I started
a new thing called like chumming. I'm calling it like chumming,
like you know how you would do to which like
a great white shark. You can't just go out and
find a great white shark, right you cause somewhere on
the ocean all day long and never find one. How
do they get them? They chump, they bring them in.
So I'm and again I don't recommend this, but I'm
making these bait bags of god, all sorts of difference,
thinky stuff, different food, smelly barbecue, you know, week old
chicken barbecue, sauce, cereal, whatever, all these different things, you know, lollipops.
I'm just putting a bunch of stuff in one bag
and putting it up in places where I know that
you know, raccoon or whatever, and nothing else can get
to it. You know however that looks even if you
have to prove it to yourself by tying a fishing
line from you know, one tree to another that are
fifteen feet away and hanging that bag in the middle
ten feet in the air, you know, like them past
all that. So like I kind of can I kind
of can tell what got into something. If it's a
small critter. I mean, they make little holes, little puncture spots,
they drag it, they do this, they do that. Other
animals will just grab it and run off with it.
But they leave you know, even small cats, fisher cats,
stuff like that. They leave tracks behind. You know. It's
it's it's very subtle, very subtle, but you learn, you
learn what to look for. Trying to think of what else.
Uh yeah, I don't. They're they're more sloppy too, Like
they have they have like a they just have like
this way of like leaving tracks, you know, not that
I've seen prior to with Sasquat, and they kind of
leave tracks behind on and usually right on game trails
or right off of game trails. It's something I noticed
on my last trip to Ohio very much so, like
very very much so much more than where I'm at here.
So I don't know if there's a higher higher amount
of them in the area, or there's just you know,
more area for them to be at and they don't
feel like they're going to get seen or noticed or
caught or whatever. Maybe they just don't care, because I mean,
you can find a million tracks and never see one. Oh,
I guess that's uh. I don't know if that answers
the question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that does, But holy cow, I didn't know. I
know about some of the things you do out there,
some of your tactics, but wow, I didn't know you
took a bait bag out there with you. That's intense.
Speaker 3: That's something new I've been trying.
Speaker 2: Well. I can see that working pretty well. That could
be a good thing, that could be a bad thing. Yes, yeah, Wow,
that's pretty scary. I know that the first encounter you had,
or at least, if I'm right, the first cryptid related
encounter you had was when you ran into a ten
foot tall, one thousand pounds sasquatch, and that encounter frightened
you so much you fell down, You lost your legs,
and you fell down on the ground. Do you think
that experience, how should I put it? Do you think
that by having an intense cryptid related encounter like that
right off the bat first exposure to cryptids? Do you
think by being so intense the way it was, that
it numbed you in a certain way to the point
where now present day, you're able to go out and
put yourself in places where you know dogmen have been seen,
and take a beat bag out there with you. Whereas
you think it's a possibility that if you didn't have
such a traumatic first encounter to get your feet wet,
do you think that you wouldn't be able to go
out and do things like what you're doing now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was traumatic, but at the same time
it wasn't. Now, if I would have just stopped there
and left on that mark, I had probably would have
thought it was so scary and horrible, because I did.
When I saw it, I dropped to the ground, I
curled in a fetal position. I started tearing up. I
think I was yelling no, no, no, you know, I
wanted to go away like a bad dream. And that's
exactly what happened, which is odd enough, but you know,
emotionally and stuck in that moment, I could say how
horrible it was, but then stepping back and really taking
a look at it, there was nothing bad about it, nothing,
you know, And I had to get out of that
emotional moment to see it. There was nothing that it
did to instill fear in me. It didn't show its teeth,
it didn't it wasn't like lurching at me, you know, nothing.
Nothing didn't growl, didn't make you know, nothing. So I
do think that that ability and to go back in there.
And that's the hardest thing is when you have these
bad moments, and so I have to go back into
that area like I have to. It's almost like I
have to go and repetatively have these not so bad
experiences two, you know, to prove to myself that okay,
this is this doesn't just happen all the time, you know,
just uh, this isn't just how things are like, oh,
you go there and you get attacked, you know, or
you get I don't. I don't like to use the
word attacked because if we're if we're here to talk
about it, I don't know if attacked is necessarily the
right way to put it. And I don't know what
label will put on it. But uh, you know, fear
instilled in you, you know, those types of tactics. I
do see more from it seems like more from the dog.
And now that's just my experience. I can't speak for
the whole country, the whole world, whatever, right, I would
be ignorant to make a blanket statement on anything, but
I try to stretch myself as far and wide as
I can. You know, Florida is a crazy experience. So
I was fun. That was cool. You know, I do,
I do as much as I can, But it's it's,
you know, stretching yourself thin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is stretching yourself. Then I'm wondering, though I've
known you all these years, I should have an answer
for this. I should know this right off the bat,
But I just realized I don't. What I'm getting at
here is you've had some pretty traumatic experiences. You had
that encounter with that ten footer ten foot sasquatch that
you said was about one thousand pounds. You've had all
these dog mean encounters over the years, and then on
top of that, you had that really traumatic rake encounter.
Would you still say that the sasquatch encounter with that
ten footer was the most traumatic one you've had or
do you think one of the other ones was.
Speaker 3: No, that was probably the least traumatic, you know, and
that if I would have stopped at that moment, you know,
obviously it would have been the only one. But you know,
hindsight and really experienced, you know, experiencing different cryptis and
their behaviors. And I call that thing a rake. I
couldn't tell you what it was, but all I can
do is compare it to something that's out there, and unfortunately,
the creepy past the rake thing is the closest thing
I could think of. But the way that thing acted
even too, it reminds me of that movie Split at
the end where that split personality person turns to the
beast and he's huffing and puffing and bringing his body,
you know, his chest in and out, breathing heavy. But
those veins, the way they're popping off of it, off
of his skin, it was like it was very reminiscent
of that moment. So to answer your question, I think
the sasquatch was probably the least by far. And then
you know it's a close It's a close first between
the dog men and that rage, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a really intense encounter with the rake.
I figured it could go either way between the rake
encounter being the most intense or the ten foot by
ten thousand pounds I'm sorry, the ten foot by one
thousand pounds sasquatch encounter. So I think that was I
figured that was probably a pick them the rake encounter.
For me, what made that so frightening was the fact
that the first experience he had with it wasn't all
that bad. It went away, but when it came back
the second time and it seemed like it really meant business.
The way you laid that out, yeah, that had to
be just over the top. And for anyone wondering how
to listen to that encounter who hasn't heard about it,
Mike came on My Paranormal Experience and he laid out
the details of that encounter with that rake. I can't
remember what episode number that is, but what I'll do
is I'll post a link to that episode in the
description for tonight's show, both on the YouTube version of
tonight's show as well as a podcast version. That way
to'll make it really easy for you to listen to
Mike lay out the encounter what happened to him. But
we're about twenty minutes in now, Mike, you are prepared
to share some experiences with this that eyewitnesses have told
you about with regards to their dog mean encounters. Are
you ready to start sharing some of those experiences with us?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, sure, all.
Speaker 2: Right, great, whenever you're ready, please begin.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, I guess I'll start with I guess
the most recent I got this was from a hunter
that was out in the Pine Barrens region out on
the east end of Long Island. And this guy has
been hunting his whole life, hunting, fishing, everything under the sun.
And he's been in this area for a long time.
And mind you, we don't have on the island. We
don't have anything bigger than deer, coyote, not even coyote.
Occasionally they'll swim over from can Etiquette. They kind of
hit Long Island on the accident. A lot of times
they're trying to swim to a closer island like the
Fitcher or Garden or whatever. There's a few out there,
and you know that's usually when there's lack of food.
Connecticut's very close, very close to the north shore along.
So anyway, this guy was humped in white Tail and
he he knows there's nothing out there right like, and
whatever this was vibrated his chest when it howled. I
believe he said it was at daybreak, you know, in
the in the early hours. Maybe it was the evening hours.
I can't remember exactly, but either way, it was you know,
close to close to dark, and it wasn't anything visible,
but it scared him so much that he didn't want
to come down. And this howl was he said, it
was thirty seconds long. We estimate, I think, right like,
we estimate, but that's a long breath. That is a
long breath when you think about it. If you even
just try to like hum to yourself for thirty seconds,
that is a long, long thing, you know. Same when
I'm talking about a ten pounds, ten thousand pounds, right,
I'm estimating, but it's it, you know, I kind of
put it in scale to the situation and That was
just one that really resonated with me because here was
this guy who really just had to get it off
his chest to somebody. You know, he knew he couldn't
tell this to anybody else, and he just I'd never
spoken to him before, I never knew him before, you know,
and he just he just had to get it off
his chest to somebody. It was a lot more detailed
than obviously I'll leave people's names out, but you know,
that was very cool to me because that's area that
I do a lot of work in and my marriage
are too big, Like I think there are one hundred
thousand acres at least that's the section and that they
consider the pine barons. It's much much bigger, but that's
what they consider the guts of the pine barrens, at
least on the island. So that was cool to me.
And you know, to be able to respond to that
person and be there for them and you know just
kind of say, you know, like, yeah, if you need
the event, that's cool. That's what I'm here for. Another
one I got was this one was through text, so
I don't have a lot of detail. This is I
This is kind of weird because it was it was
a nurse and she she texts somebody who texted me
who knew me. So I was kind of getting the
information fed fed through, and I think I think it
just ceased, you know, it ceased to ah, the communication.
She didn't want it to go further, you know, to
keep going through to so it stopped there. But what
she thought she saw at first when she was getting
off work, it was just getting dark, and it was
it was dark, but it was just getting dark, and
she thought she saw a cow go under the street.
And you know, why would a cow be walking down
this like you know, back road whatever it was, And
she I guess she was looking at her kitchen window
and she just kind of thought she saw a cow
and then it stood up and she realized that's not
what she was looking at. And it was only for
those seconds as it went under the light. So, like
I said, I only have the details of very very
vague details. But that was really interesting to me too,
because her initial thought was, oh, this is there's a cow,
but then it stood on two legs, you know, and
it's pretty wild. Now in my opinion, what happened there
was I think there were some people who have non
traumatic experiences, and they're able to suppress the thought, to
suppress the experience, go backwards and you know, go back
to their initial thought, or just eliminate it completely from
their mind. And you know that didn't happen. That was
my imagination, bing bang boom. I don't want to think
about it again. I don't want to believe that's out there.
Forget about it, right. So that's that's at least my
opinion on what happened. I don't know exactly. Another one
I could talk to you about was not my first
hand all the way, but I was with my girlfriend,
she's from overseas in London, and we were up this
you know, pretty remote cabin for the most part. There
was a couple of neighbors, but the most part it's
just farms on all sides, like about my mile away
and there's just this about twenty acres of woods straight
back and it's the only patch of woods that gets
to the main main creek, which is basically a river,
but they called a creek. It's called the Acipus or
a soapis or I don't know, but it's one of
the main waterways up in the cats goes that I
worked that area a lot, and I believe the initial
thing was me calling her out because I heard something
out of the ordinary. Now it was coyotes wailing like
they had found a kill or something, right, but I
heard something in between the coyotes that sounded off, sounded
like a yell like that. So I yelled at her
to come out. So she comes out, like what I said, listen,
so sure as you know, sure is rain. Whatever. They
do it again, luckily, and these coyotes on what they're
going off the rails, and it's so loud in this
complete and utter darkness and complete and utter like dead silence,
and all of a sudden, this thing bellows out again. Ah, like,
so loud and long, and it was completely at a
character out of any animal or long capacity I could imagine.
I was so ecstatic that it did it at that point,
and I had the camera running to mind you that
it doesn't sound like anything really on the audio, but yeah,
you could tell it's there, but it's just it doesn't
compare it to in person by any means. So later, way, way,
way later that night, oh actually, so I decided to
return fire. I decided to make a noise in return,
and everything stopped, every noise out there stopped, and she
was kind of pissed at me. She was like, why
did you do that? I was like, I didn't. I
didn't know. And we're up on this deck. It's a
raised deck and it's probably a five foot raised deck
and then we're, you know, five foot six foot, so
we're ten feet in the air basically, right that's where
our ears are set. And something off in the darkness
right past a little bit of light coming off of
the porch light, something growled. I can't say for sure
if it was something physical or non physical or whatever,
but it was enough for us both to look at
each other and say, whoa, that's that's it. We're done, okay,
and get back inside. Now she's convinced what we heard
was a dog man. And I'll continue on to tell
you why. So I'm in bed and at some point
I wake up and I'm like, oh, where did should go? Like,
I'm by myself, and I can hear her. And it's
a small cabin, so I could hear her around the
corner in the kitchen, like it's only like twenty feet away.
I can hear it talking, and I'm like all right,
maybe she's on the phone whatever, weird time difference, you know,
probably used to being up when you know, we're asleep
and whatever. I come around the corner eventually because I'm
calling to it and she's not answering. So I come
around the corner and she's like tucked under the the
curtain which comes from top of the top of the
screen door, you know, glass door down to the floor,
but it's like a white you know, and you can
see through it to an extent. It's it's pretty solid,
but you could. I could see that she was standing
there and I'm like, what are you doing? And I'm
talking to I'm like, what are you doing. I'm like,
you're all right, Like what's going on? She's talking like
to something and she's not on the phone. I could
see her phone there on the the island or whatever
it's called in the kitchen, and she's like giddy like
a kid, like you know, like happy, like talking to something.
So I stand and I come up and stand next
to her. I'm looking out and mind you, this is
out to the woodline, which is probably one hundred feet.
Give her a take, you know, I don't know exactly
it might be half of that. I really don't know,
but it's a good distance and I see these glowing,
glowing eyes and I'm talking like fire orange. I don't know,
that's what I remember, fire Orange. I'm like watching her.
I look over her. She's talking to whatever this is.
I mean, she is locked in. Whatever this thing is
has her locked in, and she was convinced it was
a dog man. And I have to trust her. I mean,
she has no reason to bullshit me. And I couldn't
tell you what it was because all I noticed was
that it was eyeshote. Now I have to check myself
because I go and I go to flip on the
light because I want to see what's out but I'm like,
maybe I shouldn't. Then I realized, Okay, the porch light
ain't on, so there's no light outside period. So whatever
is out there in that woodline is not only looking
at it's not it's not eye shine, it's eye glow.
Whatever that is, it's self illuminating its eyes, you know,
to be that color. It wasn't ambient light hitting off
you know, like an alligator or whatever. You know, cats, dogs,
so on and so forth, which really was a trip
to me because it's rare. That's rare to see. But
it was really cool. It was really cool, you know
because when you hit you know, if you if you're
painting through the woods with a flashlight or something and
you hit an eye, you know, eye shine, boom, it's like,
oh what is that? You know? But this was just
you know, fully fully dead on, just self illuminating. I
don't know anything that could it's pretty amazing. So yeah,
I don't know if I can think of I'm sure
I could come up with more eyewitness accounts. It's just
struggling to think of any.
Speaker 2: Oh that's all right, Yeah, those were several encounters, several
good encounters to share with this. How often do you
eye witnesses contact you to let you know about experiences
they've had.
Speaker 3: It's pretty scattered. I guess it's pretty scattered because you know,
like people reach out to you, like I'm sure because
they know that that's what you're you know, known for, right,
So like pretty much, if if somebody came to me
with some kind of serious issue, I would I would
kind of guide them in your direction, you know what
I mean, before they even did anything, because I don't
want them to waste any effort or too much of
energy or you know, especially when something's got people worked
up like that. I know what kind of toll that takes.
It's like your world has been earth shattered, you know,
and everything gets realigned everything. It's literally like you know
what I mean. I'm trying to find the words for it,
but life changing.
Speaker 2: Oh, it definitely is. I've said it before and I'll
say it again. We're all conditioned to believe, since we
learn how to speak, that the world operates a certain way.
You can expect for this to happen. You can't expect
to have to deal with this. So life is pretty
predictable for the most part. But when all of a
sudden you have an experience with a cryptid like this
what dog me in or whatever type of cryptid, and
it's proven to you without a doubt that you've been
living a lie, that just turns your life upside down
in most cases, because what else is untrue that you
took for granted, it's totally understandable why it would affect
eye witnesses the way it does when they have these
cryptive encounters. You just have to feel for them, you
really do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's tough not to get taken for a
ride too, because like you know, some people will take
you down the rabbit hole deeper. And that happened to me,
And now I was grateful for you, because when I've
had the personal dong Man encounter, that was very scary
to me, and like I was being taken for a
ride on all different levels. It probably dragged out way
longer than it needed to be, you know, and I
was getting bad advice. And that's not something I ever
want to do to anybody, you know. I never want
to like give somebody the wrong answer or an answer
when there is no answer, you know, because if the
answer to me is I don't know, that's what I'm
going to tell you. Hey, I don't know. You know,
I don't want to give you love or filler just
just for the sake of, you know, adding it in
there and making it look good or sound good, or
you know, to be the man or whatever the case is.
You know, Like I'm okay, Like I'm okay with just
whatever happens happens. And that's kind of how I treat it.
Every every outing, I just walk into the woods and
I try to be a blank slate and just say Hey,
you know, mother, nature, universe, woods, I'm here whatever you know,
whatever you have planned for me, I'm open to it.
You know, nothing negative, but you know I'm open and
I'm here, and whatever you want to present me with,
I'd love to see it, love to hear, I'd love
to witness you know, no expectations, no preconceived notions, no,
you know, No matter how long I do it, I
try to just go out with, you know, an empty
vase and see what gets filled. Sometimes it's nothing, you know,
but nature is nice enough to me, I guess.
Speaker 2: So from what you're saying, it's not too hard to
find bad advice. Bad didn't feel about dog men out there?
Is that what you're trying to say? Yes, yeah, nutshet
is that's the truth. Unfortunately, in New York State, where
would you say is the hottest spot right now for
dog me in activity? Oh?
Speaker 3: Man, that's a tough call. Uh, that's a really tough call.
You know, it's not fair. It's not really fair to
like people who are in the ad Arondecks or or
the cat The at Arondecks are very very big woods
at Aroundecks State Park is the biggest state park. I
think there is. I believe you could put Yellowstone, Yosemite,
and a couple more National parks inside about Aroundneck Park,
So Upstate New York is huge, you know, and then
Catskill Park is and beyond the Catskills and beyond. I've
gone to that around Necks a few times, but it's
it's a long long way for me. I'd have to say,
like the most is probably like the Hudson Valley, which
is the lower cat Skills, And it's most likely because
that's where the most people are that are looking for
these things. They have the most eyes on them in
that area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that big of an area, No wonder you
have such a population there, what more can they want?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and it's hard. It's hard to talk
about suburban cryptids too, because you know, we're groomed to
believe that these things are in the middle of nowhere
and they thrive on being so elusive and blah blah blah.
Well if that was the case, nobody would ever see one,
you know. So we actually have no data that says
they are elusive and are in the middle of nowhere.
We have data that says they're right up against where
we are. You know.
Speaker 2: Well, speak of the devil. Another really well tenured dog
me and researcher just popped in al Santo Riga. He's
who I mentioned earlier on in the show and speaking
of val He's based in New York State the same
way that you are. Have you ever linked up with
him to head out to do some field work, Not.
Speaker 3: Not yet, But he was actually somebody I had in
mind is now when I was saying, like the Hudson
Valley area, because it's it's one of the most I
don't know if it's the most populated, but it's it's
definitely heavily heavily trolled by these guys, and there's a
good amount of eyes on him and owl. It was
one of the guys I was thinking of when I said.
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, you could do a lot worse than the
head out there with him, just like he could do
a lot worse than head out with you. I can
only imagine the knowledge that the two of you have. Yeah,
it happen, Well, that's great. I hope it does. That'd
be great. Listening to as many shows as I have
that you've done, you've been featured on as a guest,
I should know the answer to this. But when you
head out and do all these things that you're talking
about doing in the field researching, do you take a
gun with you or do you leave that at home?
Speaker 3: No? I don't, I don't carry I don't. I don't
recommend it to everybody and anybody. It's really it's it's
really it can be really dangerous in some areas because
you have a lot of other predators. And again I don't,
I don't recommend this. I just I feel like I
get better experiences without anything, without carrying a side arm
or anything. So among land it's very safe because the
most thing I have to deal with is a dangerous
thing I have to deal with as a human. I
actually feel like that's the same case anywhere. In one year,
I had like seven black bear encounters, and pretty much
on everyone they ran away from me, except for once,
which I don't really know what was going to happen,
but it stopped dead and decided to lift a tree
with one paw that was laid a huge tree was
laid on its side on the ground, and it just
decided to stop and peel that thing up at one paw. Well,
but yeah, some happy thing come my way, Yeah, so
I don't recommend it necessarily, but I feel like they
are groomed to know what that smell is, what that
is that gunpowder? When you think about how far off
a bear can smell you know something. And these deer
with their satellite ears and hearing and all that, you know,
I think these guys are beyond super predators. And when
you think about like the mountain lion and okay, now
wolves or coyotes are following me or even humans are
tracking me, they'll start to kill and leave cash is
for these animals too. Instead of bumping into them and
having you know, encounter with these wolves or coyotes or
whatever and have to fight them off or a bear
or whatever the case is, it's actually killing and leaving
them food like over and over again. So it and
then going off to its own cash and eating in
you know, in privacy, so that you know, when you
think about it, it's there's so much that goes that goes.
What I was saying, that's unknown. But my thoughts are
they are just like as smart about us, probably more
wise to us than than we know, you know, than
we even know.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure they are. Yeah, I mean we are
their TV in ways. So yeah, I bet they just
sit out there and study. It's a lot more than
most people would be comfortable with. Mike, I haven't been
hiding the fact that I think you're actually safer in
the woods if a dog man is around if you
don't have a gun, then if you do have one.
What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3: What was a question you're going to encounter one more
if you have one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my whole take. I guess I should elaborate on
that before I ask you your take, so you understand
where I'm coming from. My whole take something I've been
putting out there for a long time now is you're
actually safer in the woods if a dog man's around
without a gun, then you are with a gun. What
I'm getting at is my take on that is there
have been a lot of cases where people had a
gun and they actually shot one of these things when
the dog man didn't initially have any intentions on harming them.
But by shooting the dog man, they increase the opportunity,
or they increase the odds, that is, of the dog
men deciding to harm them exponentially. So that's one of
the reasons why I've had the stance that you're actually
safer in the woods with regards to dog men, not
talking about other things out there that can harm you.
There's no lack of things that can, of course, but
just talking about dog men specifically. That's why I've always
had the mindset that you're safer out in the woods
without a gun than with one. When it comes to
these guys, what's your take on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we're groomed to think the opposite, right, Like,
you're safe because you have a gun. Look, I get it.
I'm an army guy. Like I carried a gun everywhere
I went. Right, we don't even call it a gun
and call it a weapon, but I mean I had
to carry that weapon everywhere I went for three hundred
and sixty five days, you know, in combat. Like I
get it, Like I get what that feeling is and
that feeling of security and having it right there in
case something pops off or however you want to put it.
But I totally agree, like I was saying earlier, I
think they know what that is. Like they know if
you're carrying a weapon or not. They can sense that,
they can smell it, they can tell, and one way
or another however you want to figure it out. I
don't have the exact answers, but yeah, if you don't
have that, you're not as much of a threat. Right,
What could you possibly do to a dog man without
a gun? Nothing? I promise you, there's nothing you can do.
And I'm a combative trained fighter, which is basically like
MMA for the army, like I'm Brazilian jiu jitsu is
basically what it is, like, I know how to do
combative techniques, like, there is nothing you're going to do
against this thing. If it comes for you, it comes
for you. So the only equalizer would be to put
bullets in it. Now obviously, right, if it senses you
have those are those you have those, you might be
more of a threat to it, and you know, a
worser outcome could could happen or you, like you said before,
you use it, and if you don't have it, you
can't use it and create a bad situation, you know,
like if I see something out there, I don't have
that option, so I don't go to that option, you know, mentally,
physically whatever on any level sounds silly to some people.
I carry pepper spray. I carry it an air horn,
and air horn is my first technique. You know, it's
just as loud as a bullet. If you blast off
an airworn it's just as loud as a gun going on.
Sometimes that's enough to scare off whatever's coming at you,
you know. But you know, if you're in a high
bear population area, I mean they will, if they're hungry
enough or they're inquisiting enough, they will come up to you.
And black bear are way different than brown bear and grizzlies.
That size range and danger ranges is completely different, and
it varies. It varies from state to state and you know,
province country to country, you know, so to each their own.
I don't, I don't. I know a lot of guys
who carry carry big guns, little guns, whatever, whatever, whatever
you feel you need to do, you know, just proceed
with caution, you know, on all levels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always good advice. Something that's lost on a
lot of these people that just hammer the idea of
you have to take a gun in the dog mean country.
Something that's really lost on a lot of these people
is the fact that if a dog man has it
in its head then wants to take you out, that
gun won't protect you. There's no way, that's right. It
can sneak up on you at will. That gun's not
going to do a thing to protect you. I don't
care how much of a woodsman or a woods woman
you think you are. I don't care if you're such
a good woodsman or a good woods woman that you
can lie a can fire with a blue angel. A
dog man that wants to get you, you can sneak
up on you at will, And what good is that
gun going to do you? Then? And also too, people
really overestimate the effect that a gun's going to have
on a dog man. You know how many times I've
spoken with people who shot these guys with formidable weaponry
and they just didn't get the effect, the desired result
then what so Yeah, to think that just because you
have a firearm in your hands or on your hip,
that's going to protect you, that's just, in my opinion,
not the case. Yeah, you can sometimes kill a dog
man with a properly placed shot, but when you're under
all that duress, you're so traumatized. How accurate are most
people going to be in a situation like that? Most people,
they're not that accurate to start with, But if they're
under that kind of stress. Yeah, it's not a winning
bed at all. I'm sorry to interrupt you.
Speaker 3: There, No, no, you're right, absolutely, you know. And it's
the same thing I treat it like I treat uh.
There's a line in the movie Goodfellas and the guy's
backing out of his driveway and the cops put a
gun to him and they say freeze or whatever, and
he says, I knew it was the police, and I
knew it wasn't a mob hit because I heard them coming.
I heard them. And that's how I treat this too,
Like the woods, like if they want to, you know,
per se whack you, you will never hear it coming.
And when people are like, I'm like, oh, that's that's
probably just a deer or something. Sometimes people are like, well,
how do you know how do you know something like
I hear it, I hear it moving, I can hear
it making. You know these you know, animal steps and
doing animal things like that's that's a squirrel jumping through
the leaves and you know that can even sound like
oh what is that? Right? They can make a ruckus.
But you know, you get you get so used to
these things, and uh, same way as like you said,
under the rest in different things, same way that would
be for a weapon. Like when people want to catch
them on camera, I always say, look, if you want
to catch them on camera, practice, you know. Practice. When
you see a deer and you know that deer is
going to run off, try to film it. Try to
film that deer, and then when it runs off, try
to keep up with it and keep it in frame.
If you see a squirrel, try to keep up with
it and keep it in frame, you know, and you'll
see how hard that is to do. So imagine trying
to film a dog man right or whatever else is
out there. You know, it's the same with a UFO.
If you want to film the UFO, don't wait till
you see a UFO. Start filming birds, you know, start
filming planes, and try to keep up with that and
have that muscle memory placement. Yeah, it's it could be
very very dangerous, you know. And yeah, like you said,
I don't know if you want to put a bullet
in these things, because I don't know if you really
want to wage war. I've never had an occasion and thought,
well that guy was, that thing was by itself. I've
always had the feeling at least the field, like I
was surrounded, you know, like there's more what's watching me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be a really bad situation. Not that one
of these guys would need help either, but if they
do have company and you decide to do that and
they decided to push the issue, then yeah, that's definitely
not very good. And to touch on what you said
about how there's nothing you can do against these guys
without a gun, you could always kick him in the yards.
I saw that work one time in a movie Monster Squad.
What do you think?
Speaker 3: Uh No, I don't think so. I think I told
you about the uh when the when when they first
came at me that one time I had that underbrush,
I started like side back pedaling. I don't even know
what I was doing, just trying to maneuver, But I
remember my my reaction, uh, in that fight or flight moment.
While I was f fighting, I I whipped out my knife.
You know, it's got like a four or five inch
blade maybe, and you know, just looking back in hindsight,
I'm like, well, the stupidest ignorant thing ever, right, Like
what that thing was going to do nothing to it? Nothing?
And it looked like Peter Pan whipping out his little
dagger against you know, Captain Oak's sword, but like to
the umpteen degree. But in that moment it was like
I was, you know, that was my defense and I
haven't pulled out my blade probably to pick even my
fingernails in five years. So it was just interesting to
see the way I reacted. But yeah, there there was nothing,
you know, nothing I could have did, nothing, nothing good.
Speaker 2: You realize that, Yeah, I don't think there's any future
in trying to let the wind out of a dog
man with a four or five inch blade. Not a
good move, Yeah, not a good move at all. Everyone
listening in the live chat, if you have any questions,
which I'm sure you have tons of questions from Mike
you'd like to ask, please post them in all caps.
That way I won't miss them. Mike, how would you
say your tactics differ from how other dog mean researchers
do things out there in the field.
Speaker 3: That's a good question. I guess I could say that
a lot of people want to emanate what somebody else does,
like they want to they want to see what somebody
else is doing and then try to repeat it to
have success. I'm all about doing different things. I am
all about being First of all, I really don't want
to have any preconceived ideas or any agendas pushed on me,
or anything that's going to really affect my outlook or
you know, my interaction or whatever the case may be. Right,
I don't want to be swayed one way or another.
So I try not to do that with other people too.
I try to kind of leave things as open ended
as possible. I do have some definitive thoughts and answers
on things, but I don't really drive that agenda home
because again, when I talk about a blanket statement, I
mean I can't say that that's the case for the
whole dog man race or species or right. I have
no idea. I can only talk from my experience or
from my areas or whatever, which is a drop in
the ocean at best. Right. So this is where I
love the idea of pooling together, you know, And I
don't know if that'll ever come to florition, but you know,
I can hope that maybe, you know, in a couple
of generations to come or whatever the case is, maybe
people will start to work together and pull things together.
But if we keep working on different ends of the
spectrum and you know, things to that effect. It could
be it can be tough, but that's probably the way
I would say I differ is as experimental as possible.
You know, maybe to a fault because it could be
very dangerous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does seem like you do try a lot
of things. I've touched on this before in case he
didn't get the hint. Mike here, he spends more time
out there in the field than you can shake a
stick at. I mean, he's always out there all the time.
Whenever I try to catch up with him to see
what he's up to, he's telling me about how he's
either out there in the field, or he's about to
head into the field, or he just got back in.
This guy he doesn't let any grass grow under his
feet at all. I'm telling you he's the real deal,
it really is. I've got a first question for you
from Shauna Hinsala, and Shauna wants to know have you
experienced mind speak? If you address this, I apologize I
stepped away for a moment. Thank you.
Speaker 3: Not from the dog man, not from dogmen that I
can recall, have from Sasquatches, where I could definitively say
that that was occurring. Telepathy was occurring. It's nothing I've
ever experienced before or any other level with any other
thing or any other place or you know, any other time,
but no, not with dog Man. With dog Man I
was speaking earlier about when my girlfriend was in town
or in the States, I should say, but she was,
I believe, communicating telepathically what she believes was a dog man.
And yeah, so that's at least what it looked like
and what she recalls. So yeah, that's about Yeah, that's
about as much as I can say from my experience.
Speaker 2: Though it doesn't seem like these guys mind speaker is
often a sasquatch. I could be wrong about that, but
that just seems like that's the case to me. For
whatever reason, I've been talking about how how brave you
are and how fearless you are when you head into
the woods, but you are human after all. When it
boils down to it, has anything ever happened out there
when you've been researching that almost caused you to throw
in the towel and give it up.
Speaker 3: Almost every time, because one way or another, right, even
if you don't love this, it will not love you back.
I promise you that now I have complete and other
utter passion for this and dedication and it's my like
prerogative to see this out. But it beats you up.
It beats you up, It beats you up financially, people
think you get rich somehow doing this, not boots on
the ground stuff. I mean, you will end up, you know,
putting out every time, whether it's you know, gas money
or you know, tolls or this or that or whatever
the case is. But yeah, when you go into these
remote places too, is where tear on your body and
your vehicle and you know you're going you're going out.
If you're going off trail, you're dealing with multiple ticks, mosquitos, this, that,
the other thing, the thorns cutting you up, ripping your clothes. Yeah,
I have to get monthly pedicures. Might sound funny, right,
but I have to because my feet are so abused,
you know, and that I don't know if anybody else
around here knows. I don't know. I've never gotten a
pedicure before a year ago. But they're not cheap, you know.
So these these these are things that really kind of
take a toll and beat me up. But yeah, I
hope that answered the question. But yeah, I love it,
so I continue. But there's a lot of things that
can make you want to just turn around and say, ah,
I forget about it, you know, whether it's the heat,
the cold, whatever.
Speaker 2: No, they did answer, it's look ad job of doing that, Mike.
I know it's not lost on you that there's no
lack of people that seemingly want to go out and
research these guys. I don't understand it why they want
to do that, and there are a lot of people
out there doing it who, in my opinion, have no
business trying to do it. But if you want to
open up a restaurant, if you want to do this,
if you want to do that, you name it, you're
almost guaranteed to be able to find a resource or
resources that will guide you step by step on how
to do whatever it is that you're looking to do.
But when it comes to dog Me and budding dog
Me and researchers like that, people who want to get
out there but they don't know where to start, what
kind of advice would you give them?
Speaker 3: That's a great question, I guess. I mean, you know
a lot of people get hull up on a lot
of things like the ware and the time, and you know,
location is a big thing. I see people get stuck
on they research, and they research and they research and
the research and you're looking for the best area topographical
maps and this and that and oh they're searching these
websites where there's been sightings mass reported and uh, they're
pooled over here at this organization and there's been this
many sightings here, so they want to go there or
they want to piggyback off somebody else. The best thing
you can do is go out and do it. You know,
go out and do it and experience it and just
you know, be mindful of now what you're doing and
your your intuitions, your instincts, your yourself will start to
give you the answers that you need and show you
the places you need to be. You know, it doesn't
I'm sure it doesn't hurt to listen to a few
of VIC shows and you know, or guests or whatever.
I'm sure by the titles you could kind of you know,
aim yourself at, you know, which which shows you'd want
to listen to and which would be helpful. Yeah, I mean,
you know, like like the Cryptid Huntress, our friend Jessica, like,
she goes out with a team of guys down in
Georgia and they, to me, they have a good way
of doing things. They have like a buddy system. Whenever
they go somewhere, they have a base camp that's always watched.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: They have a team that works together and coordinates. My
friend Jack at Ohio too, and and those guys they work.
They would have walkie talkies, they communicate, they pair up.
Now Jack does go out in Ohio by himself too,
But yeah, you know, it's just yeah, I guess muscle
memory and experience, you know, just to put yourself in
it and see if you like it, see if you
love it, take a few steps through the woods, and
then you know, just go from there.
Speaker 2: That all sounds like really good advice, and they can
be argue to a degree what the best advice is
for someone who wants to get their feet wet investigating
these guys. But in my opinion, I think the best
advice would be to try and link up with someone
like you who really knows what they're doing. If you're
convinced you want to start this and become a researcher,
I can't see how you could do any worse than
to head out with a well tenured researcher like Mike
or Al Santoriga or anyone else who really knows what
they're doing out there.
Speaker 3: What do you think, Yeah, I mean that does that
never hurts for sure. I mean, if you're it really
doesn't hurt to find somebody in your area. I think
that's always good to do, is always have somebody to
lean on it, you know, because you're you're you're already
alone on an island, right Like when when you know,
not figuratively, but when you get into this city situation
where if you have a sighting where you're trying to
research these things and you're trying to find them, you're
putting yourself in this small category of people and a
very very exposed, vulnerable group of people. People who tell
their experiences and show their face and give their name
are easy to now beat up and throw darts at.
And you become this open, wide, open target. Right. So
it's not maybe as glamorous as it sounds for a
lot of people, but definitely if you are going to
get involved, definitely have somebody to kind of lean on
for those ups and downs, bumps and bruises, and most
come from humans. In my opinion, most come from you.
Speaker 2: I can only imagine what it would be like to
be able to go out and spend a weekend out
there in the bush with you learning all of the
ups and downs and ins and outs of researching these guys.
It's like one of those things things where you don't
know how much you don't know until you actually try
to do it. From trying to figure out places to research,
because if you go out to places where there aren't
any dog mean you're not going to have any luck,
and all the other things that you would need to
know to be a competent researcher. I can only imagine
what it must be like to just be starting and
have all these questions and have such a hard time
finding the answers to them. It's got to be so frustrating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know you gotta you gotta understand there's
so many variables. So say you're camping, right, I tell
people have like a dry run and have a practice run.
If you hear something go bump in the night, you
don't want that to be the time that you you
you try to get up and figure it out. I
do things like I have these uh these tap lights
that are supposed to be headlamps. They saw them at
Walmart for a dollar. They're supposed to be headlights, but
they're really dull lights. But I say, take I take
the head strap and I undo it so it's a
long strap and I tie it to the top of
the tent. I have one that goes right over my head,
so I reach up if I wake up, I hear something, whatever,
I want to get up, I reach straight up and
it's there. Boop. Turn that on, and I have one
in the door of the tent hanging down. Boot hit
that on the way out. Get the flashlight ready to
go right by the door, the big bright light, you know,
and have that ready to go and see what's there.
You know. I have the camera ready to go right
next to it or whatever, your phone, whatever the case
may be. Also multiple fires, you know, like yeah, it's
something I use too, not only just keep out bugs,
Like I have one I use to like create smoke
and it kind of keeps bugs away and stuff. But
I have multiple fires, like smaller fires and stuff, which
expands the fish tang fish bowl thing I was talking
about earlier. If you have just one big fire in
the middle. You'd be surprised how much light that that
puts out. But it doesn't really go very far. Now
if you put these like two smaller fires like no
matter how you want to put them, you know whatever,
it tickles your fancy, but it really really expands your
vision in that in that dark darkness, you know, when
you're if you're out there in a place where it's
not like a campground, it's it's just, oh, you know,
we're out here, like you know, you want to kind
of expand your range of your property. You know, of
your little safety net and that light, that light overnight,
that light is your safety net.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I can imagine what it would be like to be
in dog me in country at night when the fire
goes out and you can't get another one started. That
wouldn't be good at all. Looks like Bang Bang wants
to know, Mike, what's more prevalent in your area? Dog
men or bigfoot?
Speaker 3: Oh? Man, that's a great question. I'd only be speculating
if I said one way or another. Uh, you know,
I don't have a definitive answer. No, I've looked for
I should say. Whatever I've been dealing with Sasquatch a
lot longer than dog Man. So I guess I would
say I would be more prone to say Bigfoot. But
I don't know. It could very well be dog man.
It could very very well well be. In fact, I
wouldn't be surprised at all at all. Yeah, yeah, I'd
just be speculating. But I think i'd say dog man.
Speaker 2: That's not a comforting thought, is it real at all?
It looks like Jamie wants to know, Mike, what do
you think would happen if a dog man in a
Bigfoot met up? Do you think they coexist or avoid
each other?
Speaker 3: Both? I describe. But this is just a thought, right,
this is my opinion on my experience. I think they
have areas. Now. I try to refer to like an
African safari. If you think about those shows you watch
growing up, like when they're they're showing like.
Speaker 2: The uh the.
Speaker 3: Uh, the hots, the hot season or whatever they call it,
the dry season, and there's only those isolated areas of water.
Now you have all these different walks of life that
normally don't interact. Right now, they're all crossing paths. The zebras,
the crocodiles, the lions, the you know, the boor is
the everything, the girafts, everything's in this one spot because
that's where the water is, right. I do think that now.
I do think they coexist when they have to, but
otherwise they stay away when it comes to water or
whatever your beliefs may be, whether it's water or peorls
or you know whatever. The you know, your your extent
of belief and understanding goes to you know. I do
like the vix take on it. I think it kind
of goes back and forth when it comes to dog man.
The longer you you know, hear about them, it kind
of bounce back and forth between the ether and the
and the here and now flesh and blood. Yeah, So anyway,
that's my kind of take on it. I think they
coexist when they have to, and they avoid each other
every other time.
Speaker 2: That makes sense. It really does. Looks like Shanna Hensela
has a question for you. She wants to know, has
your girlfriend had dog men experiences overseas wherever she lives?
Speaker 3: No, No, she was. She was in London, so it's
like limited limited space as far as it's similar to
New York City, I guess, like, you know, so her
experience is pretty limited, not that she's lived there her
whole life. But yeah, I think that was her first
experience with UH with dog Man, and she spent a
lot of time with me in the field and we've
had other experiences, but that was, you know, the notable
one when it came to dog Man that I could
think of.
Speaker 2: Well, just imagine all the things that she's experienced out
there when she's gone with you. I can only imagine
what it must have been like, must have been a
circus all those times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little like I have one people. I say,
it's a little like Alice in Wonderland, Like it's a
little wacky, you know. And I can't promise anything. I can't.
I can't. I don't want to sound cocky when I
say it or whatever, but I also have to tell people, Look,
this is probably not going to be your you know,
your average walk in the woods. It's usually not. But
I think once you kind of know what you're looking
at to and even even your average animal. Like I
see people walk past me sometimes when I'm on populated
trails and stuff, and I have my cameraman. I'll no,
I just walked by two herds of deer because I
saw them. And then people will walk past the same
stuff and then ask me where I'm at, Hey, have
you seen anything out of here? And I'm like, oh, yeah,
they just saw some deer back there, and they're like, oh, really,
I had you. There was two herds of them, you know.
But it just goes to show like how uh unaware
people are and then or maybe how hyper visual an
I am.
Speaker 2: You know, well, you know it is most people when
they're out there in the woods, they've got their noses
in their phones, or they're not paying attention whatever they're doing.
They're not paying attention to their surroundings. So that doesn't
come as a surprise. It looks like Sean Patterson wants
to know, Mike, did you give them donuts?
Speaker 3: It's a good buddy of mine, he's got he's got
a lot of dog man experience too. I won't I
don't want to speak for him, but I didn't. I
didn't give them donuts. I don't think I did. Start
using bait bags, I call them, but it's it's in
essence chumming, chumming the areas around base camp with these
loaded zip hop bags of all sorts of stuff, and uh,
it's you know, I don't recommend it at all, because
sure enough the season is churning now, so I'll probably
steer away from it. But as soon as the bears
go back into hibernation, I'll start doing it again. Now
I could do it here on the island because we
don't have a bear, which I think I've spoken to
you about before. It's it's pretty easy, honestly, when I
see something large, dark, whatever or stealthy moving through the brush,
and if I if I don't recognize it as a
white tail, it's almost pretty easy for me to discern, like, oh,
and probably got a cryptid over here, you know, probably
have a maybe that's how we got to dog Man
on your Hands the name of that one show. But yeah,
that's pretty much what I say, Like, I'm like, oh,
probably have a cryptid or a dog man on my
hands here.
Speaker 2: Well, you'd be the first to know, you really would.
Kurt Schlichten wants to know, Mike, have you ever tried
is it reeky? Is that how it's pronounced? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Reiki?
Speaker 2: Yeah, reiki? Have you ever tried reiki before or during
your investigations to see what kind of experience would happen.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, that's actually it's pretty much what I do
when I'm out there. I've adapted that into my style.
Sometimes I just want to go on a normal walk
and I just I just walk, you know. I don't
tap in on that level, but that is something I do. Absolutely.
It is like I tap into my own reiki, life energy,
whatever you want to say, and it's like an energetic
healing process. And yeah, absolutely I use it. Like I've
spoken to a few people about it who are in
the field and know about reiki, and they adapted it
right into theirs as soon as they heard me say,
they adapted it into theirs their field research, and they
got optimal results. Now, this one guy was in Oklahoma
and now he's in Michigan. Another guy, a woman, she's
up in Massachusetts, older woman. She adapted like her Christian
beliefs and the reiki and everything into her field research
and it just boom, I co exploded and results I
should say. Yeah, So I absolutely use it as a tool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something extra about these guys. They're not just
flesh and blood creatures out there trying to scratch out
a living. There's definitely something extra to them. I wish
I knew what the extent of their abilities would be
and I had all these answers about them, but I
guess that's never going to happen. It's just one of
those things. This next question for you is from Bang
Bang and Bang Bang wants to know, Mike. Do people
you talk to about Bigfoot think dogged me exists as well?
Speaker 3: Oh? That's uh. That can vary, you know. Some people
are some people believe it. Some people are on the
scale of like, you know, where I'm at at this point,
Like I don't I don't disbelieve anything at this point
because I'm like, if you could pretty much think it,
I probably believe it because it's just that wacky, you know.
But I'm also not trying to say like I'm a
sucker and I'll believe everything. But you know what I mean,
My my extent is, my my end of the spectrum
is on the high level believing these things can be
out there but from what I've seen so far, And
then other people will just say, hey, no, there's no way,
like there is no way, like no, that's misidentification, no way,
that's da da da da dah. You have to just
let them soaking their in their moment, in their in
their state of understanding, you know, Like I've heard Vic
say a hundred times, like I'd rather listen to people
and hear them out rather than turn people away. But
that there's no way that there's six hundred people making
up stories, you know what I'm saying, like including myself,
Like I there's nothing to gain from it, like nothing,
you know. So but yeah, there's there's there's some people
that are believe in in something. Yeah, i'd say it's
about it's leaning, it's more leaning towards I don't know
if like dog I don't want to see dog Man
is trending, but I think there's more, you know, more
people are knowing about it these days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, considering all these experiences you've had, there's no way
that you could be close minded, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: I wish I could sometimes I understand.
Speaker 2: I'll bet you do. It looks like Glynn Kamada wants
to know which is more a nerving to see dog
Man or the Rake?
Speaker 3: Oh Man, I guess it's situational. I don't I get
probably the rake. It's honestly, it's weirder to see something
so close to a human form that it's just so weird.
It was really weird. But yeah, dog man is much
much scarier in appearance and their presentation. I guess the
way they came at me in the one time. Yeah,
I don't wish it on anybody either. One.
Speaker 2: I guess part of that depends upon what dogmen you
run into, also what rake you run into. I mean,
they're dog men that are going to be more apoplectic
in their behavior, and then you've got other ones that
are going to be more laid back. Same thing holds
true for rakesalm pretty sure. So I guess it just
depends absolutely. Yeah, that's how it normally is. This next
question for you is from Mike Triple seven year. He
wants to know do dog men prefer to move around
when it's raining.
Speaker 3: I believe that, I believe so. I believe all cryptids
take advantage of the ring. You know, it's similar to
dark when it comes to us and our our ability
to see them. And I believe it's there's a lot
more energy flowing between the water coming from the sky storm,
whatever the case may be. I believe there's a lot
more energy for them to work with, So, especially the
nocturnal cryptids like dog Man. I believe they're more nocturnal
than not. I think they're I think they operate on
both levels, daytime and night, but I think they do
a lot more at night, same as a sasquatch and
anything else you know that wants to stay out of
our sight. Yeah, so I do believe they do move
around more when it's raining, absolutely, you know, especially in
the daytime.
Speaker 2: One thing to not lose sight of is the fact
that if it's raining, that's a lot of ambient noise
to cover up their footsteps and make it easier to
sneak up on prey.
Speaker 3: Great point, Yeah that too, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Something not to lose sight of. The next one for
you is from Red Tipped Savage, and he wants to
know have you noticed a smoky foggy mist in association
with dog Men?
Speaker 3: Well, interesting enough, I would normally say no, but really,
really far back into my early days, before I was
on the trail of Dogman or even had any encounters
or experiences or even thoughts about them, I did see
this white fog like it was almost like a smoke,
and it was floating past me, and it was a
pretty big mass. I would say it was two or
three you know, of my with maybe four uh, and
it was probably from the ground to like, I don't know,
twelve feet off the ground. That's about the width, you know.
Not not huge, but not not small either, And it
was kind of it just caught the corner out of
my right side peripheral and then it floated past me.
But I kind of was it was still off to
my right, and as it came in front of me
into my left, it went down into the ground, like
towards the ground. And I swear to God, I saw
it take this form of what looked like a white dog,
and it took off and I had no idea what
I just witnessed. I had no idea what I saw.
I kind of just brushed it off, and I just
I had I had brought it up and I was
talking to somebody about it. This is going back probably
like six years, and they were like, oh, so I
was a Wahuila. Okay, I had no idea what you're
talking about. And it's some kind of Native American spirit dog,
And yeah, I don't know. I don't know what it was.
I can't really tell you one way or another. But
that's about the only time I've seen a white fog.
And when you say related to dog Man, I mean
that that's kind of what I was thinking of. Maybe
I don't know. I don't know. I could just tell
you what happened. I don't want to fill in anything
anything extra.
Speaker 2: Well, that's admirable that you stick to the truth. I've
got one more question for you from Christianne and then
we're going to get ready to get out of here.
Her question is, Mike, do you think the American Bigfoot
are as aggressive as the Russian ones like in the
dial a Ta past incident.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a great question. I don't know. Now you
have to understand now, like our country is, at least
the United States, is basically built off lies and cover
ups and you know, hidden truths. So it's hard to
dig to the bottom and say how much is covered up?
If there is a story that matches that that incident,
that maybe was covered up, right, And I think they
even tried to cover up that incident, But there was
a lot of evidence pointing to weird things, like they
cut the back of the tent to get out, and
it looked like they were trying to get out in
a hurry things to that effect. We don't know. We
don't know what was done afterwards or beforehand.
Speaker 2: But.
Speaker 3: I can't say it. Like, as far as asquatch, I've
never experienced anything violent, Like nothing, nothing even really intimidating,
you know, maybe like a grunt out of nowhere, you know,
and that's up for debate as to what did it,
you know. But I just know that something out there
is telling me, hey, slow your roll back up, you know,
don't go further, that kind of thing, and I just
double back at a at a at a smart at
this point. You know, I've pushed the boundaries a few
too many times and it doesn't usually turn out. Well, well,
that's right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's really good, you know, to listen to your instincts.
Speaker 3: I've pushed the boundaries before. Yeah, I do now now
I listen to everything. You know, trust your gut. They
say that's yeah.
Speaker 2: Do that. Yeah, that's always a good move. Well, it's
almost time for us to get out of here. But
before we do, Mike, please promote your YouTube channel.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's it's in the bottom here of the
long had Bigfoot is my YouTube channel, and I have
stuff up there, like I try to bring people along
for the for the ride, for the experiens, for the
for the whole hike. If you look at for like
edited stuff and well done editing or or you know,
just highlight reels, definitely not the channel for you. But
if you like to experience things like front to back,
I try to. I try to start filming like in
the beginning and bring people along for the whole, you know,
the whole journey. Sometimes I'll cut it off and whatever,
but the you know, and take personal time. But that's
pretty much what my videos are. Just roll and cut
footage and then I leave it up to other people too,
you know interpret Other times I'll put stuff up just
the highlight reel, but that's it depends if it's something
I see or not.
Speaker 2: Of course, Mike is just being humble here. His YouTube
channel is the closest you're gonna come to being able
to have the privilege of heading out into the woods
with this guy to soak up all the things, well
not all the things, but some of the things that
he's he knows and is willing to put out there.
You definitely should check it out if you haven't already done, so,
you really should, And I'll post a link to his
channel and the description for tonight's show as well, of course,
just so everyone knows. But having said that, Mike, I
can't thank you enough for coming on the show tonight
and having this chat with me and answering all these questions.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Oh, no, anytime, anytime. I appreciate you. And I apologize
guys for the last week because I was the person
lined up for last week and I just wasn't feeling well.
So I just I appreciate you for taking that into consideration.
And yeah, thank you for having me. It's always a pleasure.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's always great having you. And please don't worry
about that. Your health comes first. I mean, like I
told you, if you weren't feeling up to it, or
if you're a borderline not feeling up to it, then
we could always push it back. So I'm just glad
you're feeling better now. Thank goodness.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. And as you know, Mike, if I
can ever help you somehow, some way, please do be
sure to let me know.
Speaker 3: Oh. Yeah, you're the best. I'm appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Oh it goes two ways. Well, thanks again so much
for your.
Speaker 3: Time and have a great night you too, Thank you.
Speaker 2: Thanks, we'll see ya all right. That's it for another
episode of the show. If you've had a dog man
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having said that, thanks against so much everyone for listening,
and I hope you have a great night.
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