Speaker 1: What would happen if a true crime enthusiast turned murderer?
Speaker 1: Would it result in the perfect killer? After all, they've
Speaker 1: done the research and they know how to avoid getting caught. Well,
Speaker 1: today we talk about this exact situation and how one
Speaker 1: true crime officionado tried to get away with what she
Speaker 1: called the perfect crime. This is the South Korean case
Speaker 1: of Jung Yu Jung.
Speaker 2: My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked
Speaker 2: and Grim, a true crime podcast.
Speaker 1: The following podcast material intended for a mature audience. Listener
Speaker 1: discretion is advice.
Speaker 2: There was that better?
Speaker 1: That was better? That took us like five fucking takes
Speaker 1: because Nicole forgot how to do our intro.
Speaker 2: I know we've only been doing this or how many years?
Speaker 2: And I was just like, what are you doing? Is
Speaker 2: that how it goes?
Speaker 1: How many years?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: Are we on year?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: This is gonna be the finish of year three? I
Speaker 1: think so so. And in February it's we're starting our
Speaker 1: fourth year or is.
Speaker 2: It twenty twenty one? That I don't even remember when
Speaker 2: year we started this.
Speaker 1: We don't even know what we're talking about, Huh, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Well, that's that's the pressures of the year
Speaker 1: that we've been going through. Twenty twenty four has been
Speaker 1: a wild ride, to say the least. I don't know
Speaker 1: about you guys, but we're definitely looking forward to the
Speaker 1: new year coming up.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's always nice to start like a fresh year.
Speaker 2: But then I don't know. I was talking to someone
Speaker 2: yesterday about it, how I was like excited for a
Speaker 2: new year, and because I was like, this one wasn't
Speaker 2: like the best year ever. But that's fine. But then
Speaker 2: you can always just change your attitude each day too, right,
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. So I'm like, you don't need a
Speaker 2: whole new year to change things.
Speaker 1: Up, No, it just it's it's nice to have that
Speaker 1: marker to look back on the last twelve months, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: I just went through our backlog real quick. Our first
Speaker 1: episode released on February eighth, twenty twenty one. Okay, so
Speaker 1: this is the end of our third year.
Speaker 2: Okay, wow, But.
Speaker 1: We also have just with the end of the year coming,
Speaker 1: we have Christmas coming up. It's officially December, right, so
Speaker 1: hopefully you guys are getting that Christmas shopping done. There
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Speaker 2: Kidding, we haven't even gotten a new piece of.
Speaker 1: Merch yet, No, we haven't.
Speaker 2: What the heck's wrong with us?
Speaker 1: Well, we rock our old stuff like all the time,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we definitely need some of the new stuff.
Speaker 1: So let's maybe that's what we should do for Christmas,
Speaker 1: is just get each other our own merch for gifts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not a bad idea, but we have quite the
Speaker 1: wild ride today. It's I mean, it's how am I
Speaker 1: going to word this correctly? Because I don't want to
Speaker 1: word it in a way that makes you not think
Speaker 1: in the same brain path of me. I can't think
Speaker 1: this morning. There's a way I can word this where
Speaker 1: it sounds bad, and I don't want to word it
Speaker 1: that way. Okay, So we are discussing a case that
Speaker 1: it's the most relatable that we've ever covered, and not
Speaker 1: to say relatable for everyone, because it's a blanket statement
Speaker 1: for us, all right, Because I mean we've covered some
Speaker 1: cases where you know, what a family member might have
Speaker 1: passed and that could have been the most relatable for someone,
Speaker 1: or you know, it may have dealt with children and
Speaker 1: that's most relatable for someone. So this is a blanket statement.
Speaker 1: When I say most relatable for us, I mean for
Speaker 1: us as a group all of us live listening, okay, because.
Speaker 2: We are into true crime.
Speaker 1: We are into true crime exactly. We're all clearly fans
Speaker 1: of the genre. Right, I think it's safe to say that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're listening to a true crime podcast. We research,
Speaker 1: we produce one. And today's case involves a true crime fan,
Speaker 1: someone who became obsessed with these stories, which I mean,
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with, but beyond the boundaries of being
Speaker 1: healthy in this case, okay, so much so in fact,
Speaker 1: that she decided she needed to know what it was
Speaker 1: like to kill.
Speaker 2: Someone, Oh yeah, I'm honestly looking forward to this story
Speaker 2: because it's it's surprising, but it's not surprising.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And that's where I'm like, I want
Speaker 1: to word things right because there's that line of you
Speaker 1: know what, Like I've had this conversation with people before
Speaker 1: where they're like, oh, you enjoy true crime, Like how
Speaker 1: can you enjoy crime? It's like, I don't enjoy crimes occurring,
Speaker 1: but I enjoy hearing the stories like it's shocking. Like
Speaker 1: there's that line of understanding and not understanding, and it's
Speaker 1: a fine line. So yeah, yeah, but.
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Speaker 2: I think so?
Speaker 1: I think so.
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Speaker 1: Okay. So to start off, we are heading to South Korea,
Speaker 1: traveling to the southern coastline to uncover this tale. Now,
Speaker 1: this takes place in the city of Busan, officially known
Speaker 1: as Busan Metropolitan City. This hub is quite the vibrant
Speaker 1: area and it is South Korean's secus second largest city,
Speaker 1: boasting a population of three nearly three point five million
Speaker 1: people and a staggering gross domestic product of seventy six
Speaker 1: billion US dollars, which is wild. That's a lot.
Speaker 2: That is so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's it's a thriving economic center to say
Speaker 1: the least, and Bussan is a city of motion where
Speaker 1: you know, commerce and culture are constantly you know, turning,
Speaker 1: and it all comes together in this one big hub.
Speaker 1: So before diving into this case, so I do want
Speaker 1: to take a moment to explore what makes Bussan so
Speaker 1: captivating too many people, as it may actually offer some
Speaker 1: insight into the psychologists psychology of the perpetrator.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So, Busan is often called the creative city. It's a
Speaker 1: powerhouse of South Korea's film industry and a magnet for festivals,
Speaker 1: artistic gatherings. Nature lovers also flock here for it's stunning
Speaker 1: beaches and regumidating hot springs that occur there, breath taking
Speaker 1: coast landscapes. There's a perfect blend of arts and outdoors
Speaker 1: adventure to say the least. Like the city's prominence also
Speaker 1: extends like beyond this this culture and natural appear. But
Speaker 1: there is a lot of that. But it is also
Speaker 1: home to one of the world's most significant seaports. Port
Speaker 1: ranks sixth globally, handling almost twenty two million twenty foot
Speaker 1: shipping containers annually.
Speaker 2: Gosh, yeah, huh, that's what you would probably call a bustling.
Speaker 1: City one hundred percent a bustling city. Yeah, it's very
Speaker 1: easy to i mean, feel alone in a place like that,
Speaker 1: so much going on around you. Yeah, it's scary. How
Speaker 1: many people in bustling cities like that have that feeling
Speaker 1: of being so alone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is interesting, And I think we've mentioned it before,
Speaker 2: like we our city isn't huge or anything, but we have.
Speaker 2: We traveled to Vancouver quite often and being like in
Speaker 2: the skytrain, for example, you are literally like just next
Speaker 2: to so many people, but it's one of the places
Speaker 2: you feel the most alone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's strange because everyone's in their own little bubble.
Speaker 1: Everyone has so much to do that everyone sees so
Speaker 1: many people, they don't you know, engage with every single person, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Whereas like you go to a small town, people will
Speaker 1: hold the door open for you, say hello or smile,
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe make a joke in the frozen
Speaker 1: foods aisle about the pizza that they had last week
Speaker 1: and how they don't recommend it or something like that.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, you don't get that in the large cities,
Speaker 1: at least not to the same degree. So it is
Speaker 1: very easy to feel alone.
Speaker 2: That's funny. I literally had this moment the other day
Speaker 2: where I was at in like a convenience store, grabbing
Speaker 2: a sandwich and someone was like, I had the rib
Speaker 2: one last week and it was really good. Oh thank you.
Speaker 1: See there we go. But yeah, we digress a little
Speaker 1: bit here. Despite this bustling economy, the vibrant lifestyle, Busan,
Speaker 1: much like South Korea, is regarded as a safe haven,
Speaker 1: even though it is you know, easy to feel alone.
Speaker 1: This reputation for security is part of what made today's
Speaker 1: case very shocking, which is kind of how it became
Speaker 1: quite widespread in this country with like crimes that are
Speaker 1: such rare, so rare like this. So yeah, this is boussain.
Speaker 1: This is where today's story takes place with an individual
Speaker 1: name of by the name of jung Yu jung So
Speaker 1: in the early mornings, sorry early hours of the morning
Speaker 1: of Monday, March twenty seventh, twenty twenty three. So this
Speaker 1: is last year. Yeah, very fresh case, no shit. A
Speaker 1: taxi driver in Bussin made a phone call that would
Speaker 1: set off a chain of events. At around three am.
Speaker 1: The driver had picked up a young woman carrying a
Speaker 1: large suitcase. So this is quite early in the morning.
Speaker 1: She flagged him down on the side of the street
Speaker 1: and asked to be dropped off near wooded area along
Speaker 1: Knakdong riverside, which is close to Hapo station. The request
Speaker 1: in itself was routine. I mean, the time of night
Speaker 1: was not abnormal, the location was not abnormal, the area
Speaker 1: was familiar to the driver. He's driven similar routes many
Speaker 1: times before, and their journey began with no incident. However,
Speaker 1: things took a little bit of a disturbing turn when
Speaker 1: the woman went to exit the taxi. As the driver
Speaker 1: helped him load her suitcase from the trunk, he noticed
Speaker 1: a dark liquid seeping from underneath it. Now it is
Speaker 1: quite dark outside right now, remember it's three am.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he was.
Speaker 1: Curious and a little unsettled, and he kind of felt
Speaker 1: it on his hand. It was thick, wet and unmistakably
Speaker 1: red and it appeared to be blood.
Speaker 2: That was and this story was underneath the suitcase.
Speaker 1: It was leaking from the suitcase. So it was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: leaking out from the underside and has he like lifted
Speaker 1: it out and he like kind of noticed it and
Speaker 1: like looked at his hand and there it was Holy shit, Now,
Speaker 1: the woman was a little bit oblivious to this discovery.
Speaker 1: She didn't seem to notice that it was leaking, or
Speaker 1: that this man had noticed that it was leaking either, okay,
Speaker 1: and she moved towards the dark wooded area where she
Speaker 1: was requested to be dropped off with the suitcase and
Speaker 1: tow The driver remained calmed, concealing his panic. He waved
Speaker 1: goodbye and watched her disappear into the shadows, before returning
Speaker 1: to his vehicle the trunk of his vehicle to inspect it.
Speaker 1: He opened the trunk up from there and there it
Speaker 1: was a small pool of blood on the carpet of
Speaker 1: his taxicab, confirming his worst fears. Oh yeah, whatever was
Speaker 1: in that suitcase wasn't just ordinary luggage.
Speaker 2: WHOA what a wild? Like like why I was going
Speaker 2: to say ride, but it literally is a ride for him?
Speaker 2: Like that's insane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's something you don't exactly expect to occur on
Speaker 1: your irregular shift. No, So the man, acting swiftly contacted
Speaker 1: South Korea's emergency service, dialing one one two, which is
Speaker 1: the equivalent of our North American nine to one to one.
Speaker 1: He detailed his account to authorities and they wasted no time,
Speaker 1: dispatching officers to the area. Within minutes, A search of
Speaker 1: the dense woodland near Knacktong Riverside began. So under the
Speaker 1: cover of the night and their flashlights shining through the trees,
Speaker 1: police uncovered a chilling scene. They didn't find the woman
Speaker 1: who had walked in there so willingly with the suitcase,
Speaker 1: but they did find mutilated body parts that were scattered
Speaker 1: across the ground. It was evident that this isolated area
Speaker 1: had been chosen to conceal a horrific crime.
Speaker 2: Oh so she went all the way out there, but
Speaker 2: she didn't bury any of the body, like any of
Speaker 2: the body just scattered it about.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: Now, she may have intended to do some burying. I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, but they like found they yeah, okay, may have.
Speaker 1: I don't believe so, But I'm not going to say
Speaker 1: she didn't because I mean, hey, I don't know what
Speaker 1: her intentions were, right, because.
Speaker 2: Right now listening to this, I'm like, what the hell,
Speaker 2: what the hell?
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 2: Ain't the perfect crime?
Speaker 1: Lady, You don't why don't Why don't you think this.
Speaker 2: Is Well, look at how many mistakes she's already made.
Speaker 1: Like holy like what like what name them? Let's hear them?
Speaker 2: Well, the fact that I don't know, I feel like
Speaker 2: the fact that she hate there's so many the fact
Speaker 2: that she took like a cab to this the site
Speaker 2: I feel like isn't great, Like it'd probably been better
Speaker 2: to like rent the car or something, you know, okay,
Speaker 2: because you're introducing a potential with yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the fact that I mean she wasn't aware that
Speaker 2: like the body is going to be leaking through this suitcase,
Speaker 2: like that's I mean, it's going to happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then the fact that it's just like I don't know,
Speaker 2: not digging a hole, I guess, and just like placing
Speaker 2: the body in there, I mean, going to like a
Speaker 2: secluded area makes sense. But then I think you need
Speaker 2: to like you know, bury it and move on.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I mean, honestly, I don't know what the
Speaker 1: knack Doong riverside like the park area looks like. But
Speaker 1: this is quite the bustling city, very dense population. So
Speaker 1: I'm imagining this isn't in the middle of nowhere, okay.
Speaker 2: Because see I'm thinking like our dense forests and stuff. No,
Speaker 2: and it's I'm sure it's much different.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming this is a still within the city, and
Speaker 1: I don't think even if she didn't have a witness,
Speaker 1: someone's probably going to find these remains sooner or later.
Speaker 1: So yeah, burying them would help conceal them for the
Speaker 1: long run.
Speaker 2: Because even like someone wanting to go to a park
Speaker 2: or whatever with a freaking Gina's suitcase is a bit weird.
Speaker 1: At three am. Yeah, yeah, so there's some suspicions there.
Speaker 1: I agree wholeheartedly with you. If you're going to be
Speaker 1: wanting to commit this perfect crime, you're fucking up so far. Well.
Speaker 1: Thanks to the driver's quick thinking and the evidence that
Speaker 1: was left behind, police were able to actually identify and
Speaker 1: track the woman back to her home within just three
Speaker 1: hours of stepping out of the taxi. The young woman
Speaker 1: was identified as twenty three year old Jong Yung Jung.
Speaker 1: Investigators were able to piece together her movements using surveillance
Speaker 1: footage from the area where the taxi had picked her up.
Speaker 1: The evidence, combined with the taxi driver's detailed account, what's
Speaker 1: compelling enough for authorities to secure a search warrant for
Speaker 1: her residence.
Speaker 2: She's young, she is twenty three.
Speaker 1: Now, it's important to note that South Korea has very
Speaker 1: stringent privacy laws regarding disclosure of names and details of
Speaker 1: individuals involved in criminal cases. Okay, so, since nineteen ninety one,
Speaker 1: these laws have been in place to protect both victims
Speaker 1: and suspects, ensuring their identities remain private. However, exceptions can
Speaker 1: be made under the Special Act of Punishment of Specific
Speaker 1: violent Crimes. This legislation allows for the release of information
Speaker 1: in cases of severe violence where public safety may be
Speaker 1: at risk. In this instance, the heinous nature of the
Speaker 1: crime justified revealing Jong Yung Jong's identity. You providing society
Speaker 1: with the awareness of this potential danger at large. Right,
Speaker 1: So her name was release because of that, you know,
Speaker 1: falling under the specific heinous nature whatever. Right, So, now
Speaker 1: who is Jong Yung jung? Well, at just twenty three
Speaker 1: year years old, Jong's life was shape with a mix
Speaker 1: of solitude and un aspirations. Born in nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 1: she grew up in the northern district of Busaine with
Speaker 1: parents who were reportedly too busy to really care for her,
Speaker 1: so she was raised primarily by her grandfather, a figure
Speaker 1: who played a central role in her upbringing. For her,
Speaker 1: her academic journey was relatively unremarkable. She attended Kungji Girls
Speaker 1: High School, a private secondary school, where she was described
Speaker 1: as a bit of an odd kind of loner or
Speaker 1: an individual. Classmates recalled her as quiet, often sitting at
Speaker 1: the back of the classroom, detached from those around her.
Speaker 1: She wasn't bullied by any means, but neither did she
Speaker 1: make any meaningful connections with anyone. Any attempts from anyone
Speaker 1: to engage her were typically met with silence or a
Speaker 1: vacant stare from her, and after graduation, she largely severed
Speaker 1: any ties that she had with any peers. For the
Speaker 1: next five years. After graduating, John remained unemployed, dedicating her
Speaker 1: time to preparing for South Korea's Civil Service RI exam.
Speaker 1: This test was a gateway to careers in public service
Speaker 1: and requires a high level of English proficiency, a skill
Speaker 1: that proved to be a stumbling block for her. Now
Speaker 1: at twenty three, her English abilities were equivalent to someone
Speaker 1: in Korea at the high school level, adding to her
Speaker 1: challenges and frustration because she just couldn't quite seem to
Speaker 1: get the knack for this language. As time went on,
Speaker 1: her isolation deepened. She rarely ventured outside, avoiding forms of
Speaker 1: new social connections and showed little interest in expanding horizons.
Speaker 1: Jong's world grew smaller with each passing year, and by
Speaker 1: this point in her life, she had developed a deep
Speaker 1: fascination with the true crime genre. Her interest, though, went
Speaker 1: beyond casual curiosity. She was a true crime enthusiast to
Speaker 1: the point of obsession. Her collection included dozens of books
Speaker 1: and novels detailing murder cases, a steady stream of Korean
Speaker 1: true crime shows, and a particular fixation on certain serial killers.
Speaker 1: She constantly immersed herself in stories of no notorious criminals
Speaker 1: and gruesome events. Which I mean the play Devil's Advocate
Speaker 1: isn't abnormal behavior from my perspective, Like I research a
Speaker 1: lot of murders on a weekly basis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you have like a podcast.
Speaker 1: So someone can I'm sure we have people who listen
Speaker 1: to the same podcasts that I produce with you, and
Speaker 1: they're listening on a weekly basis too.
Speaker 2: And listen to other shows as Oh yeah, Like, I mean,
Speaker 2: a few things that you mentioned in there weren't alarming,
Speaker 2: like sitting down, you know, listening to true crime or
Speaker 2: a few episodes even a day, isn't it? But like
Speaker 2: the fascination that she had with like certain serial killers
Speaker 2: and stuff. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I still don't see it as a red flag. No, No,
Speaker 1: I don't, Okay, because there's people out there who have
Speaker 1: a fascination with Ted Bundy. He's like the main one
Speaker 1: we can just pull out and talk about, right, Like
Speaker 1: people are like they know all about Ted Bundy. You
Speaker 1: know what, they even think he's hot, Okay, whatever, whatever
Speaker 1: floats your boat. That's what he was banking on when
Speaker 1: he was trying to kill people. So we know if
Speaker 1: he talked to you, you would have been dead. But
Speaker 1: I digress.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So I don't think there's anything wrong with, you know,
Speaker 1: diving into a genre like that. I don't think there's
Speaker 1: anything wrong with someone playing modern warfare games Call of
Speaker 1: Duty and going to war and shooting people up in
Speaker 1: video games. Doesn't mean they're going to do it in
Speaker 1: real life.
Speaker 2: Well it does, I guess just how you went about
Speaker 2: describing it, it does almost seem like it was it was
Speaker 2: her entire life in a way, though, right, I.
Speaker 1: Mean it could have been. Yeah, And that's where that
Speaker 1: fine line comes in. As long as you don't, you know,
Speaker 1: go to the point of like, hey, maybe I could. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure a lot of us true crime
Speaker 1: people joke about it at times, even like, hey, you
Speaker 1: know I know how to bury about it?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we're like, you're doing it wrong, exactly so bad.
Speaker 1: They're jokes, though, and I think we, being in the genre,
Speaker 1: we understand each other's like sense of humor about it
Speaker 1: because we're all there, we all get it. We're not
Speaker 1: going to make those same jokes with other people who
Speaker 1: aren't going to get it, who are in the real world,
Speaker 1: who don't dive into the genre.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So from someone's perspective within the genre, I don't
Speaker 1: see it as weird, okay, But to police, it was
Speaker 1: certainly raising some red flags for them. You know. Now,
Speaker 1: as they did unscover I'd sorry to uncover her obsession,
Speaker 1: they were investigating a lot more about her, and they
Speaker 1: also managed to uncover from analysts a little bit more
Speaker 1: about her unsettling behavior. A search of her phone revealed
Speaker 1: that she had almost no contacts or messages, which is
Speaker 1: a clear indication of her isolation right which, as I mentioned,
Speaker 1: being a bustling city, it's very easy to get that
Speaker 1: feeling that's kind of sad. Hey, it was. Now, it
Speaker 1: wasn't her lack of social interaction that alarmed investigators so
Speaker 1: much on her phone, just a little bit of an indicator,
Speaker 1: you know. It was her Internet search history. And this
Speaker 1: goes back to that obsession with true crime and even
Speaker 1: a little bit further. In fact, this is where there's
Speaker 1: that fine line, right, and she's definitely stepped over that line.
Speaker 1: In the months leading up to the crime, Jong had
Speaker 1: conducted chilling online searches, including phrases like how to murder someone,
Speaker 1: murder without a body, and the perfect murder.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah. These painted a picture of a clear premeditation to investigator,
Speaker 1: so they couldn't ignore. So while they pieced together this information,
Speaker 1: Jong was questioned about the crime. Initially, she denied any
Speaker 1: involvement in the murder, and I found several different things
Speaker 1: reported that she said happened instead, one being that she
Speaker 1: claimed she had been coerced, stating that someone had threatened
Speaker 1: to kill her if she didn't dispose of this body.
Speaker 1: She also reportedly suggested that she stumbled upon body parts
Speaker 1: and dumped them out of panic. She also apparently took
Speaker 1: the body only when she found the victim was killed
Speaker 1: by someone else. And finally that she had accidentally killed
Speaker 1: the victim in an argument. Whichever one she actually claimed occurred,
Speaker 1: we do know that she denied it at first, and
Speaker 1: she changed her story part way through. Okay, okay, so
Speaker 1: she claimed one thing and then said another thing. Is
Speaker 1: how it went? Which one?
Speaker 2: It's unclear because I mean even that first one you
Speaker 2: had mentioned, I'm like, well, I mean that's not like
Speaker 2: super far fetched, right, the one that where you said
Speaker 2: sorry that her she was like threatened to dispose of
Speaker 2: this body, right, Yeah, which I mean I could see happening.
Speaker 1: Well, she's going to need to prove that somehow. Where's
Speaker 1: the evidence of that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Now, her family was aware of the mounting evidence against
Speaker 1: her and her swapping stories, and they begged her to
Speaker 1: tell the truth.
Speaker 2: Oh man.
Speaker 1: So three days after her arrest, Jong took the advice
Speaker 1: of her family and confessed to authorities. She admitted not
Speaker 1: only to the murder, but also to the chilling motivation,
Speaker 1: which was an uncontrollable desire to kill someone simply because
Speaker 1: she wanted to experience what it felt like purely a
Speaker 1: morbid curiosity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I'm pretty messed up right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just want to know what it feels like. Oh,
Speaker 1: you're not a reason to take a life.
Speaker 2: No, you're literally like ending someone there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, get a steak and put the steak knife into
Speaker 1: that steak and see how that feels. That's there you go,
Speaker 1: you know, like, but no, not taking all life.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: Now. In South Korea, as I mentioned, there's privacy laws
Speaker 1: that prevent many things like the release of names from victims,
Speaker 1: releasing their identity. So we don't know who the victim was,
Speaker 1: and there's no way I can really tell the victim
Speaker 1: story unfortunately. I mean I can to a little bit
Speaker 1: of a degree, but for the purpose of the story,
Speaker 1: we are going to talk about the victim with it
Speaker 1: by the pseudonym Jane do Okay. So, investigators determined that
Speaker 1: Jong's plan began to kill became became to like actually
Speaker 1: come to fruition three months before the crime actually occurred,
Speaker 1: and they did they figured that out by her online
Speaker 1: research and stuff.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So, Jong now also revealed that she targeted a stranger
Speaker 1: in hopes that it would make it harder to trace
Speaker 1: a the crime back to her, as there would be
Speaker 1: no discernible motive towards this specific individual and no actual
Speaker 1: connection to them as well. But also she didn't exactly
Speaker 1: have anyone in her life. I mean that she could
Speaker 1: really consider targeting even if she wanted to write. She
Speaker 1: was quite the loner, had no real friends or anything.
Speaker 1: So to find her victim, Jong turned to the good
Speaker 1: old Internet. She signed up for a popular tutoring app
Speaker 1: designed to connect individuals seeking academic help with qualified tutors. There,
Speaker 1: she pretended to be a parent and posed as someone
Speaker 1: searching for an English tutor for her child. Now this
Speaker 1: ruse led to her to meet Jane Doe, who, unbeknownst
Speaker 1: to them, was walking into a deadly trap. It was
Speaker 1: on May twenty fourth, twenty twenty three, when Jung and
Speaker 1: Jane were matched up on the app. For Jane it
Speaker 1: was likely an opportunity to earn some extra income during
Speaker 1: something they were skilled at, and for Jung it was
Speaker 1: the first step in executing her grim plan. After a
Speaker 1: few conversations through the app back and forth, they arranged
Speaker 1: a tutoring session to take place on May twenty sixth.
Speaker 1: Jong assured that her child quote child would be attending
Speaker 1: the session and at Jane's home, So on May twenty sixth,
Speaker 1: the day of the scheduled tutoring session. Jong, she donned
Speaker 1: a school uniform that she purchased online posing as a
Speaker 1: child that she claimed she had. Oh no, but in
Speaker 1: that uniform she concealed a knife in her pocket. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so heading to the victim's house, she's wearing this little
Speaker 1: innocent school uniform with a knife ready to go. Now.
Speaker 1: John's petite stature, standing at four foot nine inches tall,
Speaker 1: likely made her disguise very believable. And I don't believe
Speaker 1: Jane Doe would have questioned anything when opening the door
Speaker 1: and meeting with her.
Speaker 2: Oh that is just that's brutal, hey, like you always say,
Speaker 2: because there's so many times where you're in the wrong
Speaker 2: place at the wrong time, and this is just I
Speaker 2: don't even know how to describe how that like.
Speaker 1: That is just so sad. Yeah, she was just.
Speaker 2: Living her life, doing a job, trying to like help,
Speaker 2: you know, share her skill of this language and stuff
Speaker 2: and English.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I know, it's just fun. I wasn't I know.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm just fucking giving you a hard time
Speaker 1: as what I'm doing brutal though, sorry.
Speaker 2: Continue, No, I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's all she's doing is she's just trying
Speaker 1: to i mean, earn maybe a little extra cash, try
Speaker 1: and share her knowledge of some of this with someone
Speaker 1: who's you know, wanting to try and develop themselves. And unfortunately,
Speaker 1: I mean, what she thinks is a little girl who
Speaker 1: needs well maybe not a little girl but a young
Speaker 1: woman or whatever, right, who needs some tutoring, is actually
Speaker 1: there to fucking murder her.
Speaker 2: Well, and she's probably done the same scenario numerous times, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, having you know people come over, I'm over and yeah. So,
Speaker 1: upon entering Jane's house, Jung began asking few casual questions
Speaker 1: and through those questions, quickly learned that Jane lived alone.
Speaker 1: And from there she wasted no time. She retrieved the
Speaker 1: knife from her pocket and launched a brutal attack, stabbing
Speaker 1: Jane over and over, murdering her in cold blood.
Speaker 2: So this is her first session, Like she just kind
Speaker 2: of poked, got the information she and then just went
Speaker 2: for it.
Speaker 1: Yep. So she basically walked in. I mean it may
Speaker 1: have been ten seconds, it may have been a minute,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but she she's like, hey, like you
Speaker 1: have a husband or anything like that. No, No, no, I
Speaker 1: live alone. Cool, you're dying now, Like that's literally how
Speaker 1: it went.
Speaker 2: Dang, and she would have thought nothing of saying that.
Speaker 1: No, No, it was just you know, getting to know
Speaker 1: you know, a teacher, right, so like, oh yeah, a
Speaker 1: student wants to know who the teacher is. And oh
Speaker 1: yeah no. Maybe she's like, are we going to be
Speaker 1: interrupting anyone anyone else? Like live here, should be quiet?
Speaker 1: Oh no, don't worry about it. I live alone.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, now, once this horrifying act was complete and she
Speaker 1: sure that her victim was now dead, Jong moved to
Speaker 1: the next phase of her meticulous planned crime, or I
Speaker 1: shouldn't say meticulous plant crime because it was not very
Speaker 1: meticulously planned. It was just a crime. But her next
Speaker 1: step was covering her tracks. So just after midnight, she
Speaker 1: returned home to retrieve a suitcase and headed to a
Speaker 1: local supermarket. There, she purchased items that she deemed necessary
Speaker 1: for the gruesome task ahead of her, which included knives,
Speaker 1: zip ties, bleach, and plastic bags.
Speaker 2: She hadn't done this ahead of time, Hey nope.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so again purchasing all these items in one location, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like after the fact, I don't know, this just
Speaker 2: doesn't not seem great. No, and she took three months
Speaker 2: or so to plan this.
Speaker 1: Well, she was thinking of doing it for about three
Speaker 1: months yet. Yeah, okay, So surveillance footage captured her walking
Speaker 1: between her residents and the victim's home. Her demeanor during
Speaker 1: this was disturbingly care free and actually almost like gleeful
Speaker 1: at times.
Speaker 2: Really, so she didn't really have no.
Speaker 1: She was like kind of like excited, like happy, like yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that's real messed, isn't it. Now. Back at the house,
Speaker 1: Jong began the process of dismembering Jane's body. She placed
Speaker 1: some of the remains into the suitcase, and by three
Speaker 1: am on May twenty seventh, she called the taxi. However,
Speaker 1: her lack of preparation became apparent when she failed to
Speaker 1: know properly secure the items or the body parts, as
Speaker 1: they were leaking blood through the plastic bags that she
Speaker 1: had put them inside of. So, yeah, she didn't secure
Speaker 1: the plastic bags very well, and of course it leaked.
Speaker 1: And that's when the taxi driver, you know, took her
Speaker 1: to the park and she disposed the body parts. They
Speaker 1: called in and here we are, so she actually.
Speaker 2: Cut up the body then at this lady's helm. Yes,
Speaker 2: oh my goodness, this is so disturbing.
Speaker 1: So within Jane Doe's home that she just murdered her in,
Speaker 1: she goes out, purchases what she needs, comes back and
Speaker 1: begins dismembering her in her home.
Speaker 2: Huh okay.
Speaker 1: And now the thing is she can't do she can't
Speaker 1: dispose of the remains in one trip, so it's going
Speaker 1: to be a few trips that this occurs in. So
Speaker 1: there still remains left at Jane Doe's home, and.
Speaker 2: She just is hanging out at her house kind of
Speaker 2: and going back and forth and shit, and just thinks
Speaker 2: that none of this is going to be noticed.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, Jane also made additional efforts to obscure Sorry,
Speaker 1: Jong made additional efforts to obscure Jane's identity by taking
Speaker 1: their id, their phone, and their purse, which may have
Speaker 1: served more as personal trophies in my opinion than anything.
Speaker 1: Which is another mistake, right because now there's evidence leading
Speaker 1: back to you. But after scattering some body parts, she
Speaker 1: returned home with the suitcase, intending to make a second
Speaker 1: trip to dispose of more remains. Her ultimate goal, as
Speaker 1: she admitted, was committing the perfect crime. Of course, we
Speaker 1: now know that Jong Yung Jong's fantasy of committing the
Speaker 1: perfect crime was are from reality. In fact, her attempt
Speaker 1: was so riddled with mistakes that it bordered on hilarity
Speaker 1: in my opinion, because as someone who is fascinated by
Speaker 1: true crime, you think you would have learned from the
Speaker 1: content that you were consuming. But she left an unmistakable
Speaker 1: trail of evidence behind. There's the surveillance cameras captured her
Speaker 1: moments back and forth, you know, even in the taxi.
Speaker 1: A taxi driver witnessed her disposing of the body parts,
Speaker 1: her devices containing backlog of incriminating evidence. Of course, the
Speaker 1: blood dripping out of the suitcase, her DNA was found
Speaker 1: in Jane Doe's home, and Jane Doe's DNA was found
Speaker 1: in her home. Oh man, yeah, of course, Like it's ridiculous,
Speaker 1: but thank.
Speaker 2: Goodness for that though, because I feel it's almost like
Speaker 2: a serial killer in the making, Like she probably wouldn't
Speaker 2: have stopped. She probably would have done this again, I think,
Speaker 2: especially if she had found like joy and stuff from me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mentioned this here a little bit later on,
Speaker 1: but yeah, you're you're one hundred percent right, So for
Speaker 1: someone Yeah, I'm sorry, I kind of already went through that,
Speaker 1: where am I right? She probably should have known better
Speaker 1: how to cover her tracks. But yeah, I digress. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so Jong's actions were not only horrific, but shocking for
Speaker 1: someone with that knowledge that she had. Now, while it's
Speaker 1: not confirmed, some speculate that Jong's choice of victim may
Speaker 1: not have actually been entirely random. Oh and I honestly agree.
Speaker 2: Okay, is it because she was struggling with the length
Speaker 2: like English language, and so she resented someone that was
Speaker 2: good at it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, well now I don't need to read that book, correct, Sorry?
Speaker 2: But holy I yeah, I never even put that together.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, no, that's exactly it. She the the idea
Speaker 1: of her targeting and English tutor like Jane would have
Speaker 1: stemmed from envy. As I mentioned earlier, she had issues
Speaker 1: with her English proficiency, even repeating repeatedly failing the English
Speaker 1: proficiency portion of the Civil Service Exam, which is a
Speaker 1: major roadblock, and of course that she her career goal.
Speaker 1: So in contrast, Jane had graduated reportedly from a prestigious
Speaker 1: university with a degree in English, so this like disparity
Speaker 1: could have ignited feelings of jealousy and resentment. Feeling like
Speaker 1: her decision to target someone like.
Speaker 2: That that makes it way worse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if she would have been able
Speaker 1: to target Jane specifically or if.
Speaker 2: It was just random who she got.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it depends on how the app works, whether she
Speaker 1: was like matched with an English tutor or if she
Speaker 1: picked the English tutor. But she was definitely looking for
Speaker 1: an English tutor. We know that, at least so.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: As the investigation unfolded, professionals began analyzing Jong's background and
Speaker 1: mental health. Surprisingly, she had no prior history of mental
Speaker 1: illness and no criminal record. Her life offered very few
Speaker 1: clues to the horrors that she would eventually commit if
Speaker 1: someone looked at her with a microscope. Despite her social isolation,
Speaker 1: having no friends or close connections, there were no outward
Speaker 1: signs of the darkness that she was capable of. She
Speaker 1: kept her thoughts and plans entirely to herself and her
Speaker 1: Internet search history. I guess in hindsight, her extreme isolation
Speaker 1: might have been considered a red flag, but without any
Speaker 1: relationship or interaction to raise concern, there was no way
Speaker 1: for anyone to be able to foresee what she was
Speaker 1: capable of. Now, in South Korea, psychologists often use a
Speaker 1: four factors psychopathy there we go. A Psychopathy Diagnosed gnostics
Speaker 1: test to assess an individual's likelihood of actually becoming a psychopath.
Speaker 1: A score of fifteen on this test is considered average,
Speaker 1: just your average Joe blow person, right, while the score
Speaker 1: of twenty five or above indicates psychopathy. Jong Ying Jong
Speaker 1: scored an overall of twenty eight on this test, placing
Speaker 1: her firmly in the psychopath range.
Speaker 2: No shit, Yeah, so.
Speaker 1: Given her calculated methods and well, I don't know they're
Speaker 1: calculated method but they're also not calculated methods in my opinion,
Speaker 1: because she definitely took calculated steps. She bought an online
Speaker 1: outfit to go pose as as child, She researched and
Speaker 1: listened to true crime, She went on the app and
Speaker 1: sought out an English tutor. There's calculated steps, but there's.
Speaker 2: Also she was in a bit over her head.
Speaker 1: I think, well, let's put it this way. She did
Speaker 1: a calculation and she came up with the wrong fucking answer.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: In her mind, one plus one was three. No bitch,
Speaker 1: it's two. So given her wrong calculated methods, the lack
Speaker 1: of remorse, and like all of it combined, authorities believe
Speaker 1: that she had she not been apprehended, she would certainly
Speaker 1: have gone on to kill again and possibly become a
Speaker 1: serial killer.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you mentioned yeah that, I believe that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so do I so. Following her arrest, Jong made
Speaker 1: a public statement outside of a police station. Addressing the media,
Speaker 1: she stated, quote, I have apologize to the victim and
Speaker 1: her family. I must have been out of my mind.
Speaker 1: You don't fucking see. That's it thought, That's all I got.
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean that does not sound very remorseful. But no,
Speaker 2: I'm sure the family took that well.
Speaker 1: No, not really, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Her apology did little to sway the public opinion
Speaker 1: and everything or the legal legal system.
Speaker 2: Even so.
Speaker 1: The first trial was held on July fourteenth, twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: in the Busin District Court. During the proceedings, prosecutors described
Speaker 1: Jong's motives as stemming from deep resentment and anger towards
Speaker 1: her family because she didn't really have that attention her
Speaker 1: parents growing up, right, right, And it was also compounded
Speaker 1: by feelings of helplessness following repeated failures of her academic
Speaker 1: and professional pursuits. So she was just kind of feeling
Speaker 1: like isolated and alone. Yeah, like I presented it.
Speaker 2: I mean, what she did is just it's terrible, like
Speaker 2: she's a terror person, but you almost feel slightly sad,
Speaker 2: and it just seemed like she just needed, you know,
Speaker 2: a friend or some love or something in her life, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, potentially. Now. Jong did plead for leniency, claiming that
Speaker 1: hallucinations and mental health struggles had driven her to kill, which, hey,
Speaker 1: maybe that is the case. However, the courts found no
Speaker 1: evidence to support her claims of mental illness. Additional evidence
Speaker 1: presented in the court painted a disturbing picture of her premeditation.
Speaker 1: Of course, there's phone records which revealed you know, the
Speaker 1: these searches and chat logs with the tutor and everything.
Speaker 1: But those phone records also revealed that she had issued
Speaker 1: death threats to her father just days before the murder. Really, yes,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the conversation was about or how
Speaker 1: she got so angry, but allegedly she had issued death
Speaker 1: threats to her own father. Her Internet search history included
Speaker 1: the course, the queries of all that other stuff, as
Speaker 1: I had mentioned, But one day before the murder, they
Speaker 1: also discovered that she invited a young woman to go
Speaker 1: for a walk near the Nakdong river and a walk
Speaker 1: that they both actually went on, but the presence of
Speaker 1: passerbys most likely prevented her from attacking this individual.
Speaker 2: Man imagine being that person.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, it's surprising to me that she didn't. Maybe this
Speaker 2: could have just been like a family murder case. I'm
Speaker 2: surprised that she if she had this anger and stuff
Speaker 2: with her family, that she just she didn't just do
Speaker 2: it to like her toad or whatever.
Speaker 1: Well, she was trying to quote.
Speaker 2: Perfect cris right, and that would Yes.
Speaker 1: Didn't want the connections right, that makes sense now. She
Speaker 1: also apparently attempted to lure a teenage boy who said
Speaker 1: same area at the Nakdong River, but he became suspicious
Speaker 1: during their online conversations reportedly and declined to meet her.
Speaker 2: That's creepy. Yeah, good for that person. Listened to their
Speaker 2: gut feeling there right now.
Speaker 1: On November twenty fourth, twenty twenty three, the court issued
Speaker 1: its verdict. Jong Ying Jong was now twenty four, and
Speaker 1: was found guilty of murder, desecration, and abandonment of a corpse.
Speaker 1: She was sentenced to life in prison. The prosecution had
Speaker 1: actually sought the death penalty, but the court opted for
Speaker 1: life imprisonment instead, citing her age and background were mitigating factors.
Speaker 1: Presiding Judge Kim Taob ruled that Jong's crime was deliberate,
Speaker 1: carefully planned, and executed without any influence of mental illness.
Speaker 1: Her apologies and her legal team plead for reduced sentence,
Speaker 1: but they were rejected. In addition to her life sentence,
Speaker 1: Jong was ordered to wear a locating device you know,
Speaker 1: like an ankle monitor or something for thirty years and
Speaker 1: will be eligible for parole after serving twenty years in jail.
Speaker 2: Okay, so she could very much so get out because
Speaker 2: here I'm like, okay, good, Like she's going to stand
Speaker 2: there for her life, which is probably for the best,
Speaker 2: but maybe not so much.
Speaker 1: She may get out.
Speaker 2: Yes, she could be forty four and she gets out.
Speaker 2: That's not that old, really correct. Oh that's scary. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's real scary.
Speaker 1: And that's the story of Jong Yung Jong and her
Speaker 1: perfect murder.
Speaker 2: Okay, well a, it wasn't perfect. And b let's hope
Speaker 2: for some good rehabilitation in there, because that's scary shit
Speaker 2: for her getting out. I'm like terrified.
Speaker 1: Now I agree, and not only rehabilitation, I think she
Speaker 1: needs to have some socialization m m. Yeah, perhaps being
Speaker 1: in a facility, you know, with a lot of people around,
Speaker 1: whether it be you know, other inmates or guards or something,
Speaker 1: maybe she will actually be able to develop some social skills.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and who knows, Like I know, they do education
Speaker 2: and stuff in there, so she can like achieve her goal,
Speaker 2: you know, of what she wanted with like learning the
Speaker 2: English language and being able to do whatever.
Speaker 1: It was a civil service.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but still that's so sad to think that later.
Speaker 2: It's sad to think struggle with this because she could have,
Speaker 2: you know, we want her to like rehabilitate and like
Speaker 2: maybe chief her goals or whatever. But she took this
Speaker 2: poor innocent lady's life and that's not okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, Ah damn. Yeah. So that was a
Speaker 1: story I wanted to tell because, like I said, it's
Speaker 1: a little bit on the relatable side for most of us, because, hey,
Speaker 1: we're all true crime isfiicionaudos. We're true crime fans. We
Speaker 1: enjoy the genre. Hey, many of us are maybe even
Speaker 1: considered being fans of certain serial killers. I mean, if
Speaker 1: that's you, you do you, I'm not going to judge
Speaker 1: you for it, but I mean we've all probably had
Speaker 1: that conversation, whether jokingly or not, of like, hey, I
Speaker 1: could help hide a body.
Speaker 2: I know how to do it, Like, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, I've definitely had that conversation. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I should be admitting to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean it's just a joke within the community,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I think we all understand. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a story I really wanted to share.
Speaker 2: So and that wasn't a recommendation from Patreon.
Speaker 1: No, no, okay, no, it was a crime that I
Speaker 1: had come across, and I just really wanted to do
Speaker 1: this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, this was a good one. I think I
Speaker 2: just had this thought too. It's kind of because we
Speaker 2: don't know like the victim's name and a lot about them,
Speaker 2: it was almost like easier to feel more sad for
Speaker 2: the criminal the perpetrator. Yeah, you know, so I don't
Speaker 2: love that now. I'm just kind of like like I
Speaker 2: had to remember, like she's a bad person, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: But yeah, anyway, I wish we knew more about the victim.
Speaker 2: I agree to share their story a bit more.
Speaker 1: I agree, but I mean, I'm I'm not going to
Speaker 1: say I don't like them not releasing the identity of
Speaker 1: the victim. I do like it like that, but I
Speaker 1: also do like the name being released, so you know what,
Speaker 1: then we can like learn their story as well. So
Speaker 1: there's two sides to the coin, and I'm not going
Speaker 1: to argue either one of them. I mean, they're both
Speaker 1: very beneficial in their own ways.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm just saying it was almost easier to
Speaker 2: feel bad for the perpetrator because we didn't know enough
Speaker 2: about the victim.
Speaker 1: I guess definitely either way, she was a shitty killer.
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, don't fucking do that. No, that's all
Speaker 1: I gotta say.
Speaker 2: No, that's terrible motive and just terrible everything.
Speaker 1: Just wanted to know what it was like. And I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do the perfect crime. No, you suck. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: my message to you, johng Is. You suck.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You did a real, real bad job and a
Speaker 2: real bad thing.
Speaker 1: You're a real bad person.
Speaker 2: There you go.
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