Speaker 1: Hot garbage, and when they're using this place to sell
merch and they are like, I want to be clear,
I don't care if like Joe Schmoe is capitalizing on this,
but Donald Trump is selling merch. Whin Redd is selling
merch for this And when they got Benny like, WHOA,
check out my cool hat.
Speaker 2: Guys, it's just it's cringe. I don't like it.
Speaker 1: Not to signal Benny, but he's the one that they
trotted around and gave the cool allgator alligator Alcatraz hat to.
Speaker 2: Is it? Am I being too soft? Hear this?
Speaker 3: Like you No, I think it's a little distasteful. I
mean I like Benny and I think.
Speaker 4: He gets a he does.
Speaker 2: You know. I like Benny too.
Speaker 3: I think he does fairly a good job, especially when
it comes to his interviews. But I think he was
caught up in the moment here and he didn't kind
of realize the kind of optics of this. And you know,
there is something to kind of consider here when you're
outside of a huge detention center filled with alix AOC everywhere. Yeah,
like this is the inverse of AOC. But I think
there should be a little bit more grace, especially when
it comes to detaining, arresting and holding people in holding
cells that are not that convenient as they have to
poop in front of each other and you know, be arrested.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know. You know, Benny is totally fine.
Speaker 6: He has some interesting work, but I don't know that
you could say it's caught up in the moment if
it's a planned influencer trip, like he was brought there.
Speaker 2: Just give him the benefit of the Dali.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I get that, But I think generally
you can be supportive of Trump's policies and this prison
and reforming immigration, but we can all be like, hey,
you knew what you were going into and probably should
have come and prepared. I think it's the weirdest part
of the Trump administration that influencer marketing is like such
a key part of it.
Speaker 1: Oh hey, j Jay Waya, we were just talking about,
you know, Trump selling merch for Alligator Alcatraz, and I said,
there's kind of an ick factor to it. I don't
I don't love it. People on people on Twitter called
me a cuck for saying that, and that's fine, but like,
I don't know, it's not the end of the world.
It's not like I'm gonna be caught up in it.
But I think, you know, flying Betty Johnson down and
having him do I don't know, am I being too
much of a wimp?
Speaker 7: Do you think.
Speaker 4: Alligators are probably the best animal?
Speaker 2: Probably the favorite about the animals? Probably?
Speaker 4: I don't know, if you've heard these alligators.
Speaker 7: We're gonna make the alligators the best of the animal them,
probably the best. It's kind of silly. Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 8: People don't want any criticism of people, even if you
support overall their program.
Speaker 7: It's like cult like almost at times.
Speaker 8: And I like overall a lot of what Trump does.
I'd say probably sixty seventy like what Trump does. But yeah,
we shouldn't be in accult mentality. It should be about
the policies.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, so at least a few people that don't
think it's total. I mean whatever, I'm not going to
cry about it, you know, but you know it reeks
of AOC going down to uh her, you know, the
the place and saying, oh, here's the I need uh
you know, I need ah, I need to cry.
Speaker 5: Then you have like crying about the parking a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't care if like John Q public is
profiting off of it, but like when the Florida GOP
is doing this stuff and it goes directly to win Red,
so it's actually a fundraiser for Republicans. Like I actually
like this hat, but like I I don't. This Hat's fine.
The hat is you know, as Trump had. That's fine,
But the Alligator Alcatraz stuff is kind of cringe.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't like there.
Speaker 6: There is all kinds of spicy mar out there, and
it's ringing very differently from Trump selling his own mugshot
as a form of merch versus like that's fine.
Speaker 4: You know, I think all of you guys are wrong.
You know what we need.
Speaker 3: We need Nancy Mace to document every single thing as
she does a road trip to Alligator Alcatraz.
Speaker 4: We need that in her pajama.
Speaker 3: We got to boost up the morale the lingerie. Let's
put her in lingerie. Let's get her on the short bus.
We need to send her immediately to Alligator Alcatraz. This
will heal the country immediately.
Speaker 6: I don't know that she's the one who will heal
the country. I think she's pretty divisive herself. But if
you want to see in her lingerie. I mean, that's
your prerogative.
Speaker 1: I also, you know, I'm also sick of Nancy Mace
by the way, like I have Nancy May's fatigue to
the max. Like her people used to reach out about
getting her on the show, and now I'm like, there's
no way should come on now because I'm just she's like,
look at me, am, I obviously brand new pajamas going
to Congress to sign the bill this morning, slay queen.
Speaker 4: I'm like, she's made like fifty posts about it.
Speaker 3: I know, I'm on her profile now and it's like
non stop. It's insane.
Speaker 4: Get her twin, Yeah, roll through, just scroll through.
Speaker 3: I mean the amount of just like, uh, gaudiness, the
amount of.
Speaker 4: Just like ego and self grandizing. I mean there's a
certain level.
Speaker 2: I'm at the waffle house, guys. I'm just like you.
Speaker 3: There's literally fifty plus posts about it, which is a
little bit too much.
Speaker 4: Okay. It started sixteen hours ago. She did a live stream.
Speaker 2: Oh I don't have it on the screen. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she did a live stream celebrating this. Of course,
major Twitter announcements, a short video, a photo, another short video,
another video, another live stream, another short video, another photo,
another short video, two more photos, another photo of the
waffle house, another video.
Speaker 5: Look, she's trying to make content, she's trying.
Speaker 1: To be in and she's tracking the country in a
in a two hundred and fifty thousand dollars Class B.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look at that.
Speaker 1: Look what she's riding in taxpayer funded by the way,
Like she's in a super luxury mobile. She's not trying
to get across the country in r Honda Civic.
Speaker 6: I think it'd be more hilarious if she had. She
was like, I'm just driving across in my Prius.
Speaker 4: Here we are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if she was doing in like a Nissa, a
nineteen ninety five Nissan Ultima.
Speaker 4: If she was biking there, you give her credit? Yeah, okay, cool?
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, Well, I do want to welcome formally Jay Dyer.
Speaker 2: How are you, Jay?
Speaker 8: I'm great, I'm glad to be here, thanks to Luke
and quartering for the invite. So yeah, mine, I'm losing
my V card on the quarter in my cue card.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I texted Sam to get me to give me an
insider question that would uh blow your mind. But in
true Sam fashion, he replied that he would do it
and then never replied, so I don't have.
Speaker 2: Him as this sam uh Sam high Okay, Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 8: Been interacting with like five different Sam's this week and everybody.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, Hey, Sam, give me a give me
a a h give me a deep lore question.
Speaker 2: He's like cool, I'm on it.
Speaker 1: And then I'm sure I'll get a text from him
like in a week and it'd be like, oh dude,
I had I had a good idea I noticed. By
the way, for everyone, just let the let the people
know where they can find your content. I always like
to give the shoutouts up front. You know where they
can find your content, what they can kind of expect
to find, and where they can support you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you can find me at Jason Elses dot com.
Speaker 8: I cover a lot of topics from geopolitics to film
analysis to some news and current issues.
Speaker 7: We do a lot of debates. We do a lot
of comedic stuff too.
Speaker 1: So I saw your debating. I see the titles of
your debates, and I'm like, I know nothing about either
side of this. Like, you debate a lot of I've
seen a lot of religious debates lately that seems to
be on.
Speaker 8: A few, like other topics like geopolitics, but religious debates
have kind of dominated the landscape because that's I can't
really find people that typically want to defend, you know,
kind of like leftist stuff. I did do one feminist
debate with the sort of Destiny Spawn not so Aeroudite
on whatever podcast, but most of the debates end up
being something more religious. But yeah, no, I host a
Alex Jones show for the last five years most Fridays.
It's been a little bumpy given the lawsuits and whatnot.
The past few minutes and then right for the high
the Sam Hide Show. So the last six or seven episodes,
I co wrote that.
Speaker 2: That's very awesome.
Speaker 1: Tell me, tell me what it was like debating a
Black Israelite. Those are my favorite. That's my favorite sub sect,
by the way, of all religions, other than scientologists, it's
the black Israelites or those part.
Speaker 4: Of their tribe.
Speaker 3: I met some Black Israelites and they're like, you and
Alex Jones are part of us.
Speaker 4: You guys are truly black Israelites. And I'm like, I am, Yes,
Polish people are black.
Speaker 7: You didn't know that.
Speaker 4: Look, I knew that. I knew that, you know, it's.
Speaker 1: Prett Jesus was black according to them too, and so
were all the Egyptians.
Speaker 4: I mean, my credit score says it all.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, and your tax your tax troubles Polish credit score.
Speaker 2: No, no, he has a black credits store.
Speaker 4: And the black man, uh with the I R s.
So yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 8: So I don't remember how that one came about. I
think somebody was like, hey, it was a Jewish guy.
He is like, there's a black keeper Israelite. He wants
to debate. Will you hop on this thing? And let's
have a debate with them? So, uh, it didn't go
the way I expect that. It was like, straight up,
right out from the outset. It was like, you ain't
gotten no arguments because you're a white man.
Speaker 2: I heard you had white privilege. I was like, what
you got privilege?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So that at least he crossed over into
the world once he said white privilege. I was like, Okay,
now this is something I know about, but yeah, just
having an opinion apparently was white privilege according to according
to that guy, it was very weird.
Speaker 8: The other thing I didn't realize until after that debate
was that they actually think that kind of grammar terms
that are or like slang terms like Jewish.
Speaker 7: They think it means like kind of so.
Speaker 2: So it does in some cases just not Jewish, right, So.
Speaker 7: Jewish is like, well, you kinded jew?
Speaker 5: What do he allen?
Speaker 7: He's trying to.
Speaker 1: Okay, good, good credit score, lots of investments, you're Jewish,
but you're not actually what are they?
Speaker 2: Then you're either just you're just a Jew then.
Speaker 8: Only well the only the Hebrew Israelites are the Jews,
so okay.
Speaker 7: In Israel they're Jewish kind of sort of yeah, so
people are saying it was that silly.
Speaker 2: People are saying, I'm gonna get orb pilled.
Speaker 7: What's that?
Speaker 2: What's the what's getting orb pilled?
Speaker 8: So the other Sam that I thought you might have
been referring to was Sam Shamoun, and we used to
debate the Muslims together and then he kind of had
to melt down. But he believes that when he sees
dust particles, he calls them miraculous orbs.
Speaker 2: Oh, like the ghost hunters say that those are exactly.
Speaker 8: Just like ghost hunter people. So it's sort of started
this whole joke about orbs. So I think that's what
that comment is talking.
Speaker 4: About Oh okay, what's your take on the orbs?
Speaker 6: Are they go, I think it's dust.
Speaker 1: It's light or flatting off dust? Yeah, like my favorite thing.
I used to watch those shows religiously because of how
insane they were, and like the mold More lower budget
ones were my favorite, where they're like doing the EVP
thing over a fuse box, like, whoa, look, we have
a huge spike in electro bagnetic here. I'm like, yeah,
that's because you're hovering over two hundred amps like power, like,
oh well, may Or they do them where they just
record an empty room and then they like slow it
down and speed it up and just until they can
finally make it say whatever anomaly they believe in. They're like,
see it said hello, it's calling out to me.
Speaker 7: And I'm like, really funny.
Speaker 8: Centn Out live skit back when Ghost Hunters was super popular,
and the skit, the premise of the skit was that
all of their gear was redressing somebody who got farting.
Speaker 1: I remember that bit and yeah, that sound they had
it on the flour like they could see the ghost.
Speaker 5: How did you get into.
Speaker 6: Your work because you've it seems like you kind of
do a lot of different things. Were you always just
wanting to be an Internet personality?
Speaker 7: No? I mean I got into it through Alex Jones.
Speaker 8: Jason Burmas Luke was part of that back when they
were doing early sort of documentary style work in the
two thousands.
Speaker 2: I watched it and they did real work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now we're working for this quartering guy that yeah,
they falling.
Speaker 4: Yeah, here to get fluffed.
Speaker 8: And I watched a lot of that stuff when I
was doing undergraduate work, and I decided, why don't I
try to write on this in terms of like, you know,
thesis when I went into grad school. I never did
finish grad school, but I tried to study the overlap
between media and history and psychological warfare and intelligence agencies,
and so that actually led to a book, even though
I didn't.
Speaker 7: Publish the thesis. I went was writing just a.
Speaker 8: Book, and then that led to we did a full
production TV show on the basis of the first book,
which is still available at guy at TV. It's called
Hollywood Decoded, and that eventually led to accidentally doing debates.
I wasn't really planning on doing that, but somebody was like, hey,
want you debate? I'm cocash and this is like eight
years ago, and I was like, yeah, sure, and then
somebody was like, hey, debate this atheist JFF Gary Eppie,
and so I debated JF.
Speaker 7: And then that turned into just this own sort of.
Speaker 2: Oh, where do you want Jeff murdering his wife?
Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know that there's any evidence, but
I mean.
Speaker 2: There's no evidence he hasn't.
Speaker 7: There's no nons and there's no unknowns to use.
Speaker 1: Right, Rumsfeld state, Yeah, that's one of my Jff's retarded
wife is one of my favorite rabbit holes. Yeah, Like,
I mean people say that about her. I actually don't
know if she is, if she's mentally.
Speaker 2: Handicapped now in mind of at Jazz.
Speaker 1: Yeah that Jeff would say that. But she's like disappeared, right,
nobody's seen or heard from from her in like years.
Speaker 8: His Yeah, his story is that she has this tendency
to kind of just go away for several days. And
he says that he's I mean, I haven't talked to Jeff,
and this is just what he said on live streams.
Speaker 2: This is a while ago when he addressed he.
Speaker 8: Said that she'll just kind of go away, and then
he really never really knows if she's coming back or not,
So I don't know.
Speaker 7: I didn't interact. I haven't interacted with Jeffs probably seven
or eight years since.
Speaker 1: He was uh yeah, no disrespect, no shade. I don't
know a lot about him. I just know he was
really big during Internet blood sports. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: He kind of came up then, and then the whole
mentally challenged wife thing came up. I don't know if
he's still around or not, but he was. He was
a thing there. What do you make of I wish
we had Melanie on because I oftentimes Melanie's very religious
and I bring up to her. We talked about the
the crossover between the stars falling in Hollywood with the
Diddy trial and potentially although that never happened, and the
actual crossovers with the apocalypse and you know, and you know,
the religious crossovers to what goes on in Hollywood and
their rituals. We talked about yesterday about you know, the
one guy who said they wanted to have sex with
a pig so they would have you know what, how
far how deep into that stuff have you gotten?
Speaker 7: Pretty deep? The first book that I did dealt quite
a bit with.
Speaker 8: How rituals and this kind of stuff were used in
the sphere of Hollywood too, not just kind of mind
control or entrap people, but it's also I think, a
way to sort of degrade the culture in general. So
you know, classic film would be something like Eyes White
Shut that kind of has this theme. It's not explicitly
about entrapment, but you can kind of read through the
lines and see that, you know, once Tom Cruise kind
of gets involved with these elites, they want him in
this you know, ritual setting, so that he's pretty much
bound to them.
Speaker 7: So there's oaths and this kind of stuff.
Speaker 8: So the overlap between like intelligence agencies and how they
entrap people and the way that movies and even the
Hollywood sphere itself presents stuff is very telling, I think.
And there's a long history of spies and intelligence agents
being Hollywood actors, a listers and all that.
Speaker 7: So I wrote about that.
Speaker 8: But yeah, you're absolutely right that, you know, the more
degrading the actions, then the more likely the person is
to be forever on the hook.
Speaker 7: And if you remember, even I was surprised that Kat
Williams when he was doing.
Speaker 2: I know right, he came right out and set it
all in Joe.
Speaker 8: In Joe, it's a lot of rituals and it's all
about the booty.
Speaker 7: How Joe, ain't nobody going in my booty? Hot? Okay?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah yeah?
Speaker 3: And then he talked about how these producers had all
these like actresses, is like playing cards that they could
have given him to do whatever he wanted.
Speaker 4: To do with well, eyes wide shut.
Speaker 3: There was a huge section of it that was actually
cut off, and a lot of people believe that that,
you know, they took out Kubrick afterwards, from too much
of the secrets there. But there's also you know, because
you guys were just talking about Melanie. Melanie I think
has been advocating for the bombing of Iran because she
believes in this type of religious philosophy.
Speaker 4: That we have to do everything for the state of Israel.
Speaker 6: She's a Protestant like I would describe resime delical Protestant.
Speaker 5: I don't know if that's how she described herself.
Speaker 3: But she's one of those kind of like right wing
questions that are like, we got to do everything for Israel.
Speaker 4: What's your interpretation of that?
Speaker 3: Because I know it's based on people interpreting the Bible
in their own kind of specific ways. It's kind of
a very unique thing to see to have these type
of religious people being like bomb away.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a kind of a it's a new or
concocted ideology. More recently, I went pretty deep into the
history of the modern nation state of Israel, how it
was coming out of a lot of funding from the
Rothchild family. He was even called the Palestine Project when
Edmond Rothschild was putting money into it. And so the
point of going into that is that that really has
nothing to.
Speaker 7: Do with the way that the Hebrew Old Testament and
the New Testament writers are describing the nation state of
Israel at that time. And what happens is.
Speaker 8: That, you know, when they don't believe in the Messiah
and Christian theology, they are no longer seen as the
chosen race or the covenant people because their whole role
was to bring forth the Messiah. So from the Christian perspective,
it really doesn't make any sense to think that atheistic
Zionism and Zionism historically, whether it's Moses has or Theodore
Heurtzel or Heinweitzman, they're all pretty much kind of somewhat
socialist and sort of atheist, Moses has as a Spinoza
based pantheist, you know, and the other ones are atheists.
So it's like it's just really another kind of socialism,
has nothing to do at all with a religious theological
connection to the hebrewal Testament. So long story short, like,
Christian Zionism is a recent invention that I believe had
a lot of funding and support from members of the
British Empire to support Balfour Declaration and then nineteen forty
eight for geopolitical reasons. So it doesn't make any sense
really when evangelicals say this, they're really just divorced from
what everybody's agreed upon historic Christian ideology, whether your Orthodox
or Roman Catholic and even Protestant, because it's a very late.
Speaker 7: Movement, all this dispensational zion and stuff. It's like late
eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 6: So is what has been your interpretation of the Israel
Iran conflict? You know, we're past the point of everybody's concerns,
but that must have been something that piqued your interest,
given your interest in religion and geopolitics.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I went on a pretty deep dive recently into
of different texts about the history of Islam on the
Middle East, a lot of intelligence studies Masad, all of that.
I think it's really difficult to boil it down. We
did a whole fourth Hour ballox the other day about this,
where I tried to boil it down as best I could.
So I think that if you look at the history
of Shia Islam, I do believe that it's kind of
a crazy cult, so that narrative is not wrong, it's
not all false. But I also disagree with the idea that, well,
therefore we should bomb them. I think that if you
look at the nineteen fifties, the Iyatola Kashani was actually
aided by the CIA and I six in terms of
helping to overthrow Mozadek, who was the elected leader. The
CIA and British intelligence were concerned that the election of
that guy would be favorable to Communism, even though Mosidek
was pro Western, so they worried that it could foster
you know, Soviet alliance there, and so they overthrew him,
and the Shah didn't last very well, didn't do too well,
so they wanted then the Iatolas, who were their buddies.
So once they got Isotola Kashani in and then he's
the mentor to Isola Kamane, And even in the nineteen
seventy nine revolution, there's a lot of evidence, it's only
been recently declassified, that the CIA also was pretty closely
in contact with Isola Kamane in nineteen seventy nine, even
under the Reagan era, So there's a lot of backdoor
stuff that goes on. And the reason I don't buy
into the sort of surface level stories of these conflicts
is because if you read Victor Ostrowsky's books, and he
wrote two books on his time in the Masade when
he left the Masad, by Way of Deception and Strategy
Strategy Deception, he talks about how there's always been backdoor
arms dealing between Israel and Iran. So to me, that
really says that you know, to what degree is this
a real or a.
Speaker 7: Managed or a loud conflict?
Speaker 8: I'm not sure, not saying that people aren't getting killed
or anything like that, but I don't think that a
big global conflict or war happens without the okay of
the power elite in the Oligarcs. And I also think
that it's pretty clear if you read Netanyah who's older
strategy called Clean Break, which I went and read recently
that was in the nineteen ninety six. All of the
countries that he talked about have all been taken care
of by America.
Speaker 7: Except for our rant. So I don't understand.
Speaker 2: Why was that the Is that the same thing as
the seven It is?
Speaker 8: Yeah, Wesley Clark's seven nation plan is exactly the same
strategy as what's in the Clean Break, and Clean Break
is kind of an update of the older odead Ya
non plan of nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 4: I actually interviewed Wesley Clark about this.
Speaker 3: I was like, hey, Wesley, uh, you know you said
in two thousand, early two thousands about this seven country plan.
Speaker 4: Iran's the last one on that list.
Speaker 3: The United States just bombed Somalia, by the way, no
one's talking about that either. That was another country on
that list as well. I was there the governments, there's
no government. Yeah, people are like, go there if you
don't like government. And then what we found was a
bunch of governments all in different pockets and sex local.
Speaker 4: But but no.
Speaker 3: When I asked us General Wesley Clark, I was like, hey, uh,
you know your plan is following through everything you warned
about is becoming true. He literally looked at me like
he saw a ghost and he turned white. I have
the video of that, and uh, it's very talent because
this plan was in the works right after nine to eleven,
right before the project for a New American Century, right
before they laid out this.
Speaker 4: Kind of new viewpoint.
Speaker 3: And now we're we're you know, seeing you know, BB
talking about how we're going to make the Middle East
great again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is when exactly.
Speaker 3: Exactly five hundred years ago, when there was a slave
trade from Africa.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's what he's trying to refer to.
Speaker 3: Maybe that castra that that castrated all the African slaves
there and uh, you know it was in was in
uh also a depopulation agenda. Yeah, I don't know, but
there's a lot of history there that Jay's bringing up
here that's important to remember now with everything that's unfolding,
because I just see this kind of conflict kind of
continuing on from here. I think they're just re arming
and I think it's going to pop off again in
the span of two years, and the Ayatola has no
more than two years left in power, and they're going.
Speaker 4: To do a regime change very soon.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, yeah, regime change, color revolution model, same stuff. I
think if you understand the British imperial strategy, which was
too early on in the time of like T. E.
Lawrence and those famous spies, their strategy was to align
themselves with Wahabi Salafi radical Islam as a counterbalance to
the Ottomans. When the Ottomans collapsed and they had the
Psyche Speako Agreement, which was really dividing up the Middle East.
According to the way that we see it now, British
Empire just basically created countries out of thin air. So Pakistan, Iraq,
Saudi Arabia, those are just British intelligence creations by the
spies that they sent in the Middle East. And so
what America's done is basically adopt the same strategy of
imperial geopolitics that the British Empire.
Speaker 7: Had using radical Muslims.
Speaker 2: Basically, that's very interesting.
Speaker 1: You know, Luke is obviously he's a little bit more
plugged in on this stuff than I am, and you
probably are even more plugged.
Speaker 2: In than he is.
Speaker 1: But you know, how do you get around being dismissed
as a doomer because I feel like, you know, it's
easy to do that. It's easy for me to call
Luke a dumer and be like, yeah, everything's always going
to be bad, but it ends up being bad like
a lot, Like most of the time, are we ever
going to see like why does the US just go
in and take over the Middle East?
Speaker 2: Like, you know, why iss not China do that?
Speaker 1: Why why do we all keep pretending like all these
individual nations aren't you know, being controlled or serving one master?
Like it seems to me that these nations really aren't
free and that they're always going to be at the
behest of It's like, why haven't we just stopped pretending
like we give you money for your oil, your terrorists,
fund our our you know, our war machine, you know,
but really, really is Iran or Raq really doing what
they want? It doesn't seem like yet. It seems like
they they're allowed to exist by our behast or by
others behasts, you know, And like why hasn't China just
gone in and taken over Iran or Pakistan or any
of these areas. It seems odd to me that they haven't.
Speaker 3: Because it's self destructive and with what the United States
is doing is we're expending our capital, we're depleting our
stockpiles of munitions, We're destroying our reputation worldwide.
Speaker 4: It's not a popular thing to do.
Speaker 3: Right, but sure, you know it's something that China is
going to be like, Yeah, this is going to be
great for us.
Speaker 4: No, China is looking at Iran and being.
Speaker 3: Like, we're going to set up a railroad, which they're
building in order to do more of trading with them,
because they understand the real money is with trading. And
Donald Trump kind of realizes that he he released the
truth social message saying Iran could be great if they trade.
Speaker 4: They're great traders. But also at the same.
Speaker 2: Time, they don't have anything to trade.
Speaker 3: But we got to understand the carrots a little baby
carrot and it's not even existent. As he has the
big stick here battering them with with not just the
B two bombers, but also our naval fleet was a
part of bombing them as well.
Speaker 4: Uh and uh, you know this is this is you.
Speaker 3: Know, something that is not going to work out in
the long term for the United States.
Speaker 1: But what do they have, jaye? What do these nations
have outside of oil? Like is it is it deep?
Like we know the opium. A huge percentage of our
opioids are reliant on these poppy fields that the Taliban
allegedly burned. I don't know if they actually did. How
much dark trade is coming out of these areas. It
seems to me like, hey, well you feel our opium opioid.
You know, some people say, you know, one hundred thousand
people a year dying from various levels of opioid ordose,
whether it's phentanyl now or before it was oxy's and
you know, all this kind of stuff heroin. You know,
how dark does it get? Like, if opium is a problem,
how come we're letting these people continue to pour it
into our country.
Speaker 8: Well, the oligarchs want control of the drug trade. I mean,
that's how a lot of these elite families from one
hundred two hundred years ago made their money and became
elite families actually from the drug trade.
Speaker 7: So that's a huge part of it.
Speaker 4: For sure.
Speaker 8: Other black markets matter as well, human trafficking. So when
there's war zones, that also becomes a great means by
which you can traffic people or even like massive poverty,
say in the Balkans, those countries after the collapse of the
Soviet Union became major hubs of human trafficking just because
of the poverty in the region. So you had organized
crime step in and prostitute and traffic women for example,
end boys.
Speaker 7: So there's the black market stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't forget about the baki bali or whatever it's called.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those muscles love that.
Speaker 8: Well, don't forget the there's also, according to America, adopting
the older British strategy of geopolitics and control. There's this
what's called heartland and rimland theory from Halford Mackinder, and
this idea is that if you want to control the world,
if you're an empire, the British Empire understood that they
would have to control the Eurasian heartland, and so that's
what gave rise to the Great Game back when the
British Empire was in power. America's basically just adopted that
same strategy of controlling the Eurasian heartland to control the world.
And so if you can keep Russia or China these
other countries at bay by controlling the gateway to the
Middle East or to excuse me, to Eurasia, which is
a Afghanistan. That's why the nineteen seventy nine was so
important in.
Speaker 7: Winning the Cold War. And then you manage the.
Speaker 8: Other crises, as Brazenski said, he called it arch of
crisis management. So you create conflicts, you create crises, you
manage them. It doesn't mean you have to control everything
about it, but you can help Saddam come to power,
which the CIA did. They armed him, originally they trained
him the CIA.
Speaker 2: This was in the eighties nineties.
Speaker 8: In the eighties I supported the Bathroost and long term though,
the goal is ultimately not just global control, but to
eventually bring in a technocracy, and that's how they're going
to get to that.
Speaker 7: I don't know all the steps and stages, but that's
definitely the one to percent of the goal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, singularity living forever, and elites that essentially have a
playground while they depopulate everyone else on the world.
Speaker 4: That's the end game. That's where we're headed towards.
Speaker 3: And that's where a lot of people believe that the
plan already is in its final steps, and I agree
with them, Well, this is something that I've been warning about.
And then I know you're gonna say all black pill doomer,
but guess what.
Speaker 2: The only way no let me ask you this is.
Speaker 3: To really understand, and I think just understanding it could
potentially give us, you know, some kind of safe ground here.
Speaker 4: Is there any actual kind of uh, you know, safeground.
Speaker 3: I kind of wouldn't want to ask Jay that to
the person, but you have something to say too well, I.
Speaker 1: Want to add that's a good question. I think that's important.
But also my fear is how quickly has AI accelerated
this timeline, because extremely it seems like we've went from
you know, well this generations like decades.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean Jay's going to tell you
about Ray Korswell and this kind of plan. I mean
he's being at Prazinski was talking about this in the
Grand Chess Board all the way back in the nineteen eighties,
and he has his fingerprints. I'm starting off al Qaeda,
you know, the freedom fighters against the Russians and there
if you look at the Middle East, we financed all
the bad guys, We financed Saddam, we financed the Iatola,
we were giving your weapons.
Speaker 4: We were giving the weapons.
Speaker 3: I just got all of the US military stockpiles very conveniently,
and they were able to go into Syria. Again, so
much history there, it's absolutely crazy. But it's it's it's
it's and and and you know, seeing Donald Trump kind
of continue this trajectory is it was just still disappointing
for me personally.
Speaker 2: Jay, What do you.
Speaker 8: Think, Yeah, it's definitely one of the areas I would
agree with Luke in terms of like criticizing Trump.
Speaker 7: You know, the foreign policy has been pretty bad in
the Middle East.
Speaker 8: Maybe in the other areas he's done okay, but yeah,
I mean if you look at like famous CIA memoirs
that we've lectured through on my channel, like Miles Copeland,
who's relative of Stuart Copeland from the Police, he was
a famous cioperative station in Syria and then in or
accuse me, in Egypt and then in Syria. So he
was there in the Cold War with NASA and then
there with Assaud's dad or Grandad, I forget who it was,
but he talks about how at one point in the fifties,
the CI had the idea of Arab nationalism, pan Arabism
and Arab secularism, and they realized that that wasn't going
to work for control. It just was a failed project
that could never unite all of these tribes, and so
the divide and conquer management strategy that the British Embarre
did seemed to be much more efficient. So that's what
led to a lot of the alliances between at that
time British intelligence, the CIA, and the Muslim Brotherhood.
Speaker 7: And he says that terror is.
Speaker 8: Very useful to the CIA were very proficient at using terrorists.
Speaker 7: That's in his memoir.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: And then the craziest part of that about that book,
which I didn't expect because I'm thinking, okay, I'm reading
this CIA memoir thing. The very last chapter, he says,
if you want to understand what our learn long term
goal is in all these countries that we are doing
regime changes and what eventually becomes color revolutions, he says,
you need to read a few books. And he says,
I'll listen them for you. He says, read bertrand Russell
about technocrisy coming technocracy. He says, read CFR reports about depopulation,
and he says, then you will understand all of our
long term goals so we can look at the here
and the now and see this and that happening. But
as Luke pointed out, with Kurtzweil and all these other people.
Speaker 7: That's the long term goal is to instantiate this.
Speaker 8: Total technocratic grid as there's some form of you know,
mass deep pop however that comes about. I'm not blackpooled
about it because I mean, either it's like the end
of the world and Christ Christ comes back or something
like that, or we kind of go through a hard
time and come out on the other side. And I
think eventually this will be seen as anti human detrimental
to human existence. AI is definitely accelerating things, but I
also think it's a little overhyped. I mean people are
acting like it's you know, sky Net, and it's like
it can't even.
Speaker 7: Like I go to I go the I travel a lot.
If I'm in a hotel, like the WiFi doesn't even work.
Speaker 8: So it's like we're definitely where we're a lot from
the sky net takeo when like most of the country
the Wi Fi doesn't work.
Speaker 1: You know what My biggest concern is with AI, and
I know this is probably a little lowbrow, but hear
me out. I think we're six months to a year
away from the AI sex spot, which will hyper fuel depopulation.
I've been talking about this. I know it's kind of
like a gooner topic. But we already see men and
women being like having these AI relationships to where they
think they're really in love. I think they're gonna you know,
once you start combining it with these sex spots that
kind of already exist, you're gonna have large portions. First
it'll be men, but there will be women that will
now just completely opt out of the dating pool and you.
Speaker 2: Know, have sex with their sex doll. And we did.
Speaker 1: We watched I don't know what was it on this show.
Last week there was a report where like a guy
who had children and then a woman. Both of them
were like, no, no, this is my AI.
Speaker 6: Like lover Astro class last week they were yeah relationships,
but also developed relationships with AI that they were very
serious about, which I always thought was sort of weird
and upsetting on a lot of levels, not least that
that person doesn't exist, but also that you have spouses
or at least long term love interests who you share
children with well and.
Speaker 1: They have you know that one convince a guy to
try to kill the queen if you can climb the
fence with a crossball, and like was trying to do it.
Speaker 8: In the two thousand, maybe twenty ten the Spike Jones
maybe her. I wrote about that my first Esoter Hollywood book,
which is about ten years from now good movie, that
it is the dark, long term plan to release operating
systems that will become essentially your future lovers.
Speaker 7: That's the future.
Speaker 8: And then here we are, almost ten years after I
wrote that book. I mean, that's it's after the movie,
but and now it's rolling out. It's pretty surreal to see.
But I want to know if you guys will be offended,
like will the will they have to pass laws about
like what my bot can look like, because as they
get more and more realistic, I might just have sex
bots of all three of you guys. There's not shit
you can do about it.
Speaker 1: I'm not offended at all. Okay, good, I wish I
hope you have a lot of fun with it.
Speaker 6: Japan deals with every year they their their custom seizes
a certain number of sex dolls that are are modeled
after celebrities because they have some regulation A guest it. Yeah,
I mean it's to there are tons, but specifically in Japan,
so that they're already.
Speaker 7: Head about it.
Speaker 1: I'm fine with it. I hope there's lots of sexpot.
I hope there's lots of sex spots that look like
me out there.
Speaker 5: Let me feel pretty if there were.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's going to make our next meeting a
little awkward. Jay, I don't know I feel about this.
I don't think I'm as gung ho as Jeremy as
on this personally, you know, to be quite honest, it yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we already see this with Hollywood. This
is why the Hollywood people were actually striking. It wasn't
actually about the money. It was that they saw that
the writers would be replaced in five years with AI.
That's right, And the actors will be replaced in five
years with A and that's real.
Speaker 4: The graphic artists, the graphic.
Speaker 1: Artists are already cooked. The only way they're keeping their
jobs right now is when there's a big enough pushback.
But eventually that's going to stop. The cartoons will be
made and voiced over like Cocoa Melon will be completely
AI in two years.
Speaker 2: And that's one of the largest.
Speaker 5: Right now.
Speaker 2: I mean it probably is some percentage of it.
Speaker 8: There was like called The Congress that came out right
around the same time at twenty eleven, twenty twelve, and
it had the same dystopian theme where it's a near
future setting where the actors, the Hollywood A List actors
are having their whole body scanned into AI so that
the studio owns the future AI versions of them, and
then the actors can basically just retire.
Speaker 1: That's part of what they were That's part of what
they wanted is is that AI writes to their voices.
And this is what's really going to happen to YouTube.
By the way I talked about this, Google is right
now using live streams and standaline videos to train their
video AI, which is called I don't know vox three
or whatever it's called.
Speaker 2: I'm not totally sure.
Speaker 1: They're already also already displaying AI video answers like they
do AI search inside Google Google Search. There's a report
that came out two days ago just with AI Overview
displaying in Google Search and twelve point one percent of
searches creator traffic to the New York Times and New
York Posts over thirty percent, as many as forty percent.
That's just with it displaying in twelve percent of searches.
Once they display in fifty percent of searches, there will
be no New York Times dot Com anymore. Everything will
be stolen and repurposed through AI. They're gonna scrub X,
They're gonna sruve everything. Your answers will be right there
in AI. And I'm not this is not crazy. This
is nothing like. This is like kiddie Pool for Luke
and j But the video they're already doing AI video answers,
which they're training off videos that I'm already putting out
that you're already putting out, and it's in the YouTube
terms of service, like they get full access to every
video on their platform to train their AI. This is
going to happen to creators too, So we're gonna lose
our job, especially if you have let to do like
DIY content. I don't think someone doing a deep dive
of some random biblical book is going to be replaced.
I don't think you know, Luke or Hannah clerically replaced,
But some of my contents certainly.
Speaker 4: Will be nice well yeah, probably, but.
Speaker 1: Like you know, breaking news that's going to get replaced.
There's going to be some big tittied anime girl that's
going to be a I've already been replaced the already.
Now this is my AI version like there's gonna be
some big TV anime girl reading out the text in
real time, the news out in real time, and that's
gonna be like two years. That's not going to be
in twenty years or generation. They're already doing that with
the news and text.
Speaker 8: I think the creators like you or any of us
on here that have personality also involved in their discussions
and can be unique and authentic, I think people will
want still authenticity.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So there might be a lot of people who kind
of just do like news repeating or something like that,
that will be replaced, But I think that.
Speaker 2: How two people will be replaced, Yeah, you know that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 8: There was a TikTok trend recently where they were talking
about this and they were saying that people are kind
of getting tired of AI slop and they're actually preferring
just people talk into the camera because that's real and
they connect with that better than.
Speaker 7: Just all the AI slot. So I don't think it's hopeless.
Speaker 8: I think there's a lot of potentiality for real creators
that have like you can't replace Sam Hyde with AI.
People are gonna want kind of freezy, wacky, you know, authenticity.
Speaker 2: Well, Jay Diren with a white pill.
Speaker 1: I was not expecting that the before, you know, before
we're kind of wrapping up here. I do want to
give you a chance again to remind people not only
where they can find your content, but also what you're
working on, and you know, what you think is important
that people know out there going forward.
Speaker 8: You can find me at Jasonelsons dot COM's a website,
have a subscription archive, lecture series is there for.
Speaker 2: Jay's Analysis dot com.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you can find me on x under my name,
YouTube under my name, Instagram, all that, and yeah, we
we put out content almost every day. We do a
lot of streams almost every day. You can find me.
I'll be hosting Alex Joones tomorrow Fourth Hour. We'll have
a new episode of Sam Hide Show coming out pretty soon.
The new one that just came out was about baby boomers.
It's pretty funny.
Speaker 2: I saw it. It's pretty good. Yeah, I'm liking I'm
liking that a lot actually, that format.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and Ryan and Pat and everybody's doing a lot
of hardcore writing on that. So it's it's coming out.
Really really happy with it. I've got a third book
coming out about Hollywood. A is Esotoric Hollywood three. So
people can get signed copies of that pre ordered if
they want, at my website in the shop, and that'll
be out in a couple of weeks and that will
complete the trilogy of ten years of looking into Hollywood Cults,
sex esoterism, and the Apocalypse.
Speaker 1: So you may highly recommend people go pick up those books.
Start with the first and second so you can get
caught up.
Speaker 8: And they do function independently, so you don't have to
read the first two because.
Speaker 1: Don't listen to Jay by the first two. I readses
like Marvel the Multiverse. You need to understand well both pieces.
Speaker 8: Funny you said that because I didn't actually get to
Marvel until the third one. So about the first Hunter
pages is just going after Marvel on all angles.
Speaker 7: So Sly with three is a lot of marble. But yeah,
you can get one in two at the website Jays
Nelson's dot com in the shop, and the third one
will be shipping. It's it's it's at the publisher and
all that. It's not self publisher publisher for this one.
Speaker 2: But I have a great idea for you, Jay. I'm
an idea guy.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm a I'm a business may even I'm a
I'm a I'm a businessman where I think I'm talking
about businessman. Uh the I think you should talk to
Alex about doing audiobooks.
Speaker 2: Your books as read by Alex Jones.
Speaker 1: I think that that's something that Alex would probably consider doing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, made your own books. I think I think
authors should read their own books. I think it's one
of the most important things they can do. And actually
it's publishing. It's just kind of a threatened industry. I mean,
not everyone wants to or read.
Speaker 7: The whole thing in either Nick Cage's voice or Donald Trump.
Speaker 6: Voice or well that's a special edition you release on
an anise.
Speaker 4: You give us a Nick Cage impersonation, we're.
Speaker 7: Gonna read as tearing a Hollywood.
Speaker 8: When I do my movies, I like to sew a
little piece of bone inside of my jacket because I
call it neo shamanic.
Speaker 7: Actually real quote.
Speaker 8: By the way, in an interview, he says that he
puts bones inside of his shirts and his jackets because
it gives him a shamanic power that helps him get
into character. If you're like method act thing, it's you
know what.
Speaker 1: I think Nick Cage is one of the most criminally underrated.
Speaker 7: He's really good.
Speaker 1: He's done a lot of like I really liked he did.
He did a movie that was Into the Light I
thought was really good. And there's I think he's great
in the movie where he plays himself.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, The Fathomable Weight or something or whatever.
Speaker 8: A couple a couple of gems that are overlooked. He's
really good in the Martin Scorsese movie Bringing Out the
Dead Lieutenant Bernard Hertzog movie.
Speaker 7: Those are gems for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I know he does a lot of
ship movies because he has a terrible spending problem, but
he also does some good ones. The Surfer which was
really good, the classic yep. So yeah, yeah, anyway, you
should do an audiobook. I say that because my wife
consumes like four books a week, and audiobooks she pays
for all of them, like she and there's I mean,
she also reads. She's a total lunatic. She listens to
multiple audiobooks at once, and then she also reads a
book and like what I.
Speaker 5: Like my idol all the time. I never me tell
the story about what I'm like. She just is so cool.
Speaker 1: She listens to him while driving too. I'm like, that's crazy.
I could never do that. I can't listen to audiobooks
because I have to like I'm too like o CD,
Like I'd have to get in like a dark room
and really focus on it.
Speaker 2: But the market is there.
Speaker 7: That's great idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the Luke.
Speaker 1: As we wrap up, Jay, thank you for coming on.
Sorry it was such short notice, but you and I
haven't have been trying to get together for a while
and so I'm glad.
Speaker 2: Reaching out.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, next time I'm down. Are you down in Texas
or are you out in Uh?
Speaker 8: We split the year between Nashville outside Nashville and Florida,
so I'm in both places.
Speaker 4: Have it?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I.
Speaker 4: Got to come visit up north in Florida.
Speaker 3: I'll come by and we'll hang out and do some
cool like occult.
Speaker 4: Mystake stuff down the rabbit hole of.
Speaker 3: Our technocratic future, which I think is fascinating to talk about.
I definitely find you one of the more kind of
well researched and more brilliant people when it comes to
a lot of this type of you know, you know,
deep dives down the rabbit hole. So I always appreciate
your wealth of knowledge on the issue.
Speaker 8: Thanks man, You and Burmus and Alex were formative so
in my journey, so appreciate you too.
Speaker 1: That's why he has your sex style, Luke, where can
they find you?
Speaker 4: YouTube dot com fort slash we are Changed. I'm releasing
a lot of videos on there.
Speaker 3: I think I'm going to do another deep dive on
what's happening right now with Iran and Russia and Ukraine.
Speaker 4: You know, the United States just said.
Speaker 3: We don't have enough stockpiles to give Ukraine as they
just announced the new weapons deal for Israel. It's like, yeah,
there we go again, so expect more fireworks to go
off there. YouTube dot com board slash we Are Changed
is pretty much the best way to find me and
to support me.
Speaker 4: I've been really working over time.
Speaker 3: And paking on a lot of videos and and again
you know the IRS debt, man, that's been huge, but
it motivated me to be on another level and now
I've just been like fully solely dedicated towards working very hard.
So if you appreciate that YouTube dot com forward slash
we are Changed kind of Claire.
Speaker 6: You can buy my work on YouTube and rumble. I'm
handa claar B on those platforms. I'm also hand clear
b on X I do news analysis, cultural stuff. You'll
probably hear me more in the Idaho four case for
a couple more weeks. Like I said, I'll follow it
through sentencing, but then we'll go back to a sporadic
discussion of you know, anything from pop culture to bills
coming out of Congress. Thanks to those of you who
have already supported my channel makes a huge difference for me.
And of course I'll be back tomorrow for estrocast, which
is my thing.
Speaker 2: We have a big guest tomorrow, Big guests.
Speaker 5: Psyched about tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I don't know, say, if you saw the story floating
around X of the guy who had a date setup
and it turned out she was like a of woke
communist and she was like, Hey, I just want to
check before our date, were you really I was really
excited about Mamdani winning.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about that?
Speaker 1: And so he just canceled the date and like posted
the picture on accident went like mega viral, and now
she's threatening to sue him because people are making fun
of her.
Speaker 2: It's like one of the most hilarious.
Speaker 3: But she was never what's that she was never docked she.
Speaker 1: Was she but everyone's making fun of her now and
so she's like in her close friends circle. Anyway, I'm
many years removed from the dating scene, so uh, it'll
be funny to hear how that story's kind of blown up.
Speaker 4: But we also have Owen Schroyer Monday, and then Yoshi.
Speaker 3: Yoshish, an incredible, hilarious guy that might be a little
bit too uh adult nature, but he's he'll be perfect.
I just can't. I just sent you the text. You
got to reach out to him on Instagram. He got
banned on Twitter.
Speaker 1: All right, I will do that right now. We're gonna
raid pop culture crisis. Why not Little Tim's Little Tim
Little I.
Speaker 5: Love Brett Davik.
Speaker 1: Yes, there we go, so we can raid. Tell them
we said, hi Jay, thanks again so much for coming on.
Don't be a stranger. If you ever need anything, or
when your book is ready for purchase, come back on
and we'll promote the book. We'll get a bunch of
people to sell it. Make sure you check out is
Sam Hyde show that he's working on. I think that
post is that just on Axers. Also on the channel.
Speaker 7: It's on YouTube, and it's on TV.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's on MD two. Okay, okay, cool, So make
sure you check that out. Check him out on Alex
Showan's fourth hour on Fridays, follow him on all social media's.
Thanks everyone, I'm gonna take off here and we'll see
tomorrow at to Eastern with estrocast apparently.
Speaker 2: So it should be pretty cool.
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: No, no, it's good.
Speaker 1: It's you know, the show gets better views than than
our Monday Wednesday shows.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying. I'm just saying, all right, we'll see
yuys later. Everyone. Thanks guys.
Speaker 1: Oh j noped out of their quick uh cool ending stream.
Speaker 7: I think