WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:05.080 And back with Corey Hughes for a series of mailback questions. 2 00:00:05.320 --> 00:00:08.640 So Corey, let's just jump in sure this is from 3 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:13.880 Schuler D seven six four four. I keep seeing Corey 4 00:00:13.960 --> 00:00:17.800 Hughes express surprise at the idea of Oswald speaking little 5 00:00:17.839 --> 00:00:21.160 or known Russian well in Russia and taking it as 6 00:00:21.239 --> 00:00:25.879 evidence that Oswald didn't actually speak Russian. Corey, isn't the 7 00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:29.719 whole point of sending a double slash false Oswald to 8 00:00:29.879 --> 00:00:33.399 Russia that he can listen to all the Russia Russian 9 00:00:33.439 --> 00:00:36.640 being spoken around him without letting on that he understands it. 10 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:39.479 I don't think so. I don't think so at all. 11 00:00:39.479 --> 00:00:41.280 And so I spent a lot of time trying to 12 00:00:41.320 --> 00:00:44.799 figure out where the Russian you know, aspect of this 13 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:50.359 came in and the Russian language speaking. I would separate 14 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:55.280 from the interest in communism because we have two somewhat 15 00:00:55.320 --> 00:01:00.679 anomalous instances of him talking communism. One in fifty three 16 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:05.040 in North Dakota with Henry Timmer right, and then we 17 00:01:05.120 --> 00:01:12.159 have the Palmer McBride's stuff where Oswald was allegedly kicked 18 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:15.480 out of one of the meetings for the New Orleans 19 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:19.079 Astronomers Club by the guy who was hosting its father 20 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:22.079 because he couldn't take Oswald talking about communism anymore. And 21 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:26.200 that happened in nineteen fifty eight, early fifty eight. And 22 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:30.879 so those are two the only two communist instances that 23 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:35.319 you'll have period until March of nineteen fifty nine. And 24 00:01:35.359 --> 00:01:38.120 then March of nineteen fifty nine is when you start 25 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:42.799 to see Oswald talking, reading the communist books, getting the 26 00:01:43.599 --> 00:01:47.480 newsletter at the marine base at Santa Ana. And so 27 00:01:47.599 --> 00:01:52.680 it's really nobody can place Oswald as being interested in 28 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:56.200 communism or speaking Russian really until this time period. And 29 00:01:56.239 --> 00:01:58.840 that's when it continues through, you know, the end of 30 00:01:58.879 --> 00:02:04.599 his marine career in September of fifty nine. But the Oswald, 31 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:06.959 whether or not he actually spoke Russian, this is kind 32 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:09.800 of what I'm piecing together. John Armstrong had put forth 33 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:11.599 a theory, and he kind of stuck to this theory 34 00:02:11.800 --> 00:02:14.120 that he believed that the two Oswalds, one of them 35 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:18.680 was imported from either a concentration camp or some Eastern 36 00:02:18.719 --> 00:02:22.439 Bloc country post World War Two, brought here already speaking Russian. 37 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:26.319 I don't believe that's true at all. There's really the 38 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:29.680 evidence for that is very minimal at best, and there's 39 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:33.759 far more evidence for me that the two Oswalds were brothers, 40 00:02:33.800 --> 00:02:36.400 which eliminates the possibility of a Russian speaker, right, the 41 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:39.280 zero evidence that he had any kind of accent or 42 00:02:39.319 --> 00:02:41.599 anything growing up, right, So that kind of goes out 43 00:02:41.639 --> 00:02:45.360 the window. And so then you get into the statements 44 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:47.680 of people who were in the Marines with him at 45 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:51.520 Santa Ana. And the Santa Anna Bass was a CIA base, 46 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:54.199 like straight up, it was a helicopter base that was 47 00:02:54.240 --> 00:02:56.879 six miles from the El Toro main base. Okay, so 48 00:02:57.280 --> 00:03:00.639 everything that goes on there is suspect. And so you 49 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:03.360 have Marines who are saying that they saw Oswald listening 50 00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:07.759 to Russian records and reading Russian newspapers and then looking 51 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:12.039 up the words in the Russian English dictionary. Okay. Now, 52 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:17.879 there has been some highly well, highly discussed speculation regarding 53 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:20.240 whether or not Oswald was sent to the language Academy 54 00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:22.960 at Monterey, right, which is what San Francisco, And so 55 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:26.039 I kind of dismissed that for a long time. But 56 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:28.199 then when I really got a grip on the timeline, 57 00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:32.080 what you have is Oswald returns from the Far East 58 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:35.479 December twenty second, and then he goes on a break, 59 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:39.639 goes to Fort Worthses his brother, and then he's back 60 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:42.400 in Santa Anna by like the second week of January. 61 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:45.240 But then from there until mid March, for about two 62 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:49.199 months he's not at Santa Anna. He is sent to Yuma, Arizona, 63 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:52.560 and he sent to allegedly some kind of drills off 64 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:55.039 the coast of California. I forget if it was I 65 00:03:55.080 --> 00:03:57.280 forget if it was north or south. But so you 66 00:03:57.319 --> 00:04:00.159 have a two month period where Oswald pretty much is 67 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:02.599 unaccounted for because we don't have detailed information on what 68 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:04.879 went on in Yuma or these drills that he allegedly went. 69 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:08.199 So between mid January and mid March, we have basically 70 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:09.919 we got to they could have done anything with him. 71 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:12.039 And when you really come to understand how the marine 72 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:16.560 diaries are written and the duty rosters, they have substitute 73 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:21.079 information in places like all the radar stuff was top secret, 74 00:04:21.160 --> 00:04:23.839 So no one is on record as having been at Biloxi, 75 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:29.160 but they're they're usually at like Casco HQ in Alexandria, 76 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:31.240 or there's a couple other places that they list when 77 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:32.800 you were out doing something they didn't want on the 78 00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:35.439 official record. Right, So we really don't know what Oswald 79 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:37.560 was doing for those two months between January and March 80 00:04:37.639 --> 00:04:39.920 of fifty nine. And this is if he went to 81 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:42.040 the Monterey School at all. This is when it would 82 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:45.720 have been, and so I don't know much about that school. 83 00:04:45.720 --> 00:04:49.920 From what I've heard, it's a very intense crash course 84 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:53.120 on how to speak the language, and you kind of 85 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:55.120 get out of it with a basic understanding of how 86 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:58.199 the language works and a better ability to pick it 87 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:00.120 up in a quick manner. So then what he you 88 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:03.560 have from from mid March until September. He's doing all 89 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:05.600 this trying to learn the Russian language by reading the 90 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:09.120 books and stuff. One thing that confuses me is they 91 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:12.199 would do these like little variety shows just to entertain 92 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:17.399 themselves in the marine barracks, and Oswald would get up 93 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:19.399 and he would speak in Russian, and people said he 94 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:21.959 they thought he spoke fluent Russian. But this is from 95 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:24.240 people who didn't speak Russian. So what was he doing 96 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:26.920 at those times? How well was his Russian there? Then 97 00:05:26.959 --> 00:05:31.040 he gets to the Soviet Union and I haven't done 98 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:32.879 my intense study on the Soviet Union yet. I have 99 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:34.160 to finish my next book and then I'm going to 100 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:37.120 spend probably a year on that. But from what I've 101 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:38.920 come to understand, when he goes to Russia, he doesn't 102 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:40.959 really understand. He doesn't speak Russian to any of his 103 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:44.639 friends there. And Marina makes the comment that she would 104 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:48.199 get cigarettes from her American friends in the Soviet Union. 105 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:51.000 What American friends? What are you talking about? American friends? Right? 106 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:53.600 So obviously you got other English speakers. So I kind 107 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:56.079 of got thet I kind of took from that he 108 00:05:56.120 --> 00:05:58.120 didn't speak much Russian, and there's really no evidence that 109 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:00.120 he spoke much Russian. And I have a recording of 110 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:04.920 him speaking in Russia speaking English, right, And so I 111 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:08.120 don't That's kind of what I put together that they 112 00:06:08.199 --> 00:06:11.399 say he's fluent when he gets back, And the only 113 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:13.600 thing that makes sense to me is that he possibly 114 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:16.439 went to the language school, you know, studied the Russian 115 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:19.240 language independently for a couple months, gets to Russia, and 116 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:21.560 when he hooks up at Marina, I'm kind of assuming 117 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:24.920 that that is where he kind of learned more Russian, 118 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:29.519 was more comfortable with speaking it. But then again, I 119 00:06:29.600 --> 00:06:32.040 have to go back and reanalyze all the statements of 120 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:34.079 people who say he spoke fluent Russian like Peter and 121 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:37.639 Paul Gregory and these guys who there's something up with 122 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:39.040 those guys, and I don't know what yet, but I'll 123 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:41.839 get to it eventually. But I have to realize the 124 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.199 statements of people who said he spoke fluent Russian when 125 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:46.720 he got back to America, because I don't know how 126 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:49.879 true that is. And so, yeah, that's pretty much my 127 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:53.399 take on his Russian language stuff. It probably started in 128 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:55.879 the Marines and then continued in Soviet Union, and then 129 00:06:55.879 --> 00:06:57.759 he's considered fluent when he gets back. So that's kind 130 00:06:57.759 --> 00:06:59.560 of what I put together. But no, the whole purpose 131 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:01.920 of going on the the Soviet Union, from what I 132 00:07:01.959 --> 00:07:04.720 can tell, was just to go there because they had 133 00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:07.000 dozens of false defectors and each one of them. The 134 00:07:07.079 --> 00:07:09.439 Russians aren't stupid, they know what's going on. They had 135 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:11.800 people on these guys all the time. And so how 136 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:15.079 many resources for years did they just burn? 137 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:15.680 Right? 138 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:17.319 And I ask part of what it was getting them 139 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:19.399 a chase their tail for years because there was no 140 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:22.519 appical there was no actual intelligence that ever came from 141 00:07:22.519 --> 00:07:24.920 any of that. What the diagrams and sketches of the 142 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:27.959 radio factory give me a break. Who cares, right, So 143 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:33.879 I mean it's to me, it's yeah, nothing ever came 144 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:35.639 of that, and so I think there's nothing supposed to 145 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:37.240 come to that. That to me seems the whole purpose 146 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:38.519 of the false defector program. 147 00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:40.959 Let's stick with this. It's a good segue. This is 148 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:44.439 from sid Hatfield. I'll agree with Corey's assessment of Armstrong. 149 00:07:44.519 --> 00:07:47.079 John has done tremendous work which helps explain so many 150 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:50.079 of the discrepancies that we've been aware of throughout the years. 151 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:53.160 But I do not agree with a number of Armstrong's 152 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:57.199 conclusions in quite a few areas. May Brussel also felt 153 00:07:57.360 --> 00:08:00.720 that Oswalt's fake defection to the Soviet Union went operational 154 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:03.920 in order to bring Marina, who she felt must have 155 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:06.959 been Brussel, who Brussel felt must have been related to 156 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:10.560 someone in Dallas's white Russian community, to the United States 157 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:14.040 talking to Marina. The fact that Marina was contacted by 158 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:17.639 another apparent American agent whose name I forgot right around 159 00:08:17.639 --> 00:08:20.920 the time that she met Oswald lends credence to that suspicion. 160 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:23.120 I don't know if she's referring to Rob Robert webs Okay. 161 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:26.199 I also think that the fact that Oswald relocated to 162 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:29.360 Meansk and spent time there working for the Zeyger family, 163 00:08:29.560 --> 00:08:32.720 who later immigrated to Argentina, where a number of Nazis 164 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:34.440 are known to have fled to after World War Two, 165 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:37.720 makes me believe that Oswald mingled with the fascist white 166 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:41.519 Russian Nazi while in the Soviet Union, a net network 167 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:45.120 of those individuals. It's telling that Oswald and Marina were 168 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:48.600 greeted by Spas t Rackin of the World Anti Communist 169 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:51.320 League upon their arrival back to the US. The idea 170 00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:53.879 that Oswald was in contact with a fascist network of 171 00:08:53.919 --> 00:08:57.279 Gallon agents inside of the Soviet Union never occurred to 172 00:08:57.399 --> 00:09:00.399 John Armstrong, But then he's not an ex on the 173 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:03.600 twentieth century history of Eastern Europe. You want to comment 174 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:04.200 on any. 175 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:10.480 Of that, Yeah, these are all excellent points. Now, Honestly, 176 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:15.960 I don't think that Oswald was ever in the loop 177 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:19.799 on understanding what was going on at a high level. 178 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:22.639 I don't think that he was. He might have. He 179 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:26.000 was probably manipulated and told to do things, but whether 180 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:28.120 he knew why he was doing them or whatever, doesn't 181 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:30.320 I don't really think so. Well, the more I come 182 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:32.759 to understand Oswald, I feel like his whole life, he 183 00:09:32.879 --> 00:09:40.120 was kind of manipulated, used for various purposes, and really 184 00:09:40.519 --> 00:09:42.879 was never in on the joke, right. I think that 185 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:45.080 he was just kind of told to do this and 186 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:50.200 that without really necessarily knowing why did he have an 187 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:52.639 alternative reason for going, Meaning bringing Marina back was at 188 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:57.279 the point of the whole trip. It's possible I don't 189 00:09:57.279 --> 00:09:59.639 know enough about Marina's connections to the white Russians to 190 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:02.879 say it thing about that, although I have learned in 191 00:10:02.879 --> 00:10:06.360 this story nothing is outside the pale, everything is on 192 00:10:06.440 --> 00:10:10.080 the table. So that's something now that I'm aware of 193 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:12.440 that I will might make a point to look into 194 00:10:12.440 --> 00:10:14.600 that when I get to the Russia stuff. But I 195 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:19.919 have a feeling that there's a lot of behind the 196 00:10:19.919 --> 00:10:22.759 scenes stuff, even in regards to the false defector program, 197 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:24.759 that we just don't aren't aware of, and so it's 198 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:28.200 hard to make a judgment on. But I bet I 199 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:31.759 wouldn't be surprised if Oswald was just unwitting and everything 200 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:33.840 he was told to do, because I'm convinced that he 201 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:35.480 went to Russia I was told to do basically, go 202 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:37.080 get a job and do nothing and just hang out. 203 00:10:37.399 --> 00:10:40.600 And then once he gets back to the States. With 204 00:10:40.679 --> 00:10:43.200 the exception of the fair Play for Cuba Committee stuff 205 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:46.320 in New Orleans, it seems as though he was just 206 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:49.440 given these kind of front jobs. Whether he worked at 207 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:53.360 them or not, I still haven't figured out, just kind 208 00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:55.320 of and I feel like he was left in waiting 209 00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:57.320 his whole life. His whole life, he's waiting for something, 210 00:10:57.639 --> 00:11:00.919 waiting for whatever. And I feel like the only operational 211 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:02.720 stuff we can say Oswald was doing was that fair 212 00:11:02.720 --> 00:11:05.559 Play for Cuba Committee stuff. Outside of that, it seems 213 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:07.240 like he was just kind of left out to dry, 214 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:10.639 and you know, I think that probably caused some frustration 215 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:13.519 in him. And so like when he's being asked at 216 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:15.480 the you know, on the press conference and they're talking 217 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:17.799 to him, he gets that look on his face, like 218 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:20.799 he gets a look on his face like everything just 219 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:23.320 hit him at once. What happened. His whole life just 220 00:11:23.360 --> 00:11:25.120 fell into place at once, and he realized that he'd 221 00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:27.879 been set up for goddamn ever, right, and like his 222 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:29.799 whole life was just a big waste. That's what that 223 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:32.840 When I see that face on television, that's what I see. 224 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:37.120 So, yeah, let's you know, let's take a break here 225 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:39.519 for a second and just say, you know, folks, Corey, 226 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:42.240 where's the best way for people to get your work? 227 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:43.639 Where do you want people to go? Do you want 228 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:44.759 them go to Amazon or is there? 229 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:47.559 Yeah, Amazon is the best place for the book. And 230 00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:50.159 if you want to listen to my podcast, it's Corey's 231 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:54.080 Bloody History, available everywhere. So my podcast is very different. 232 00:11:55.559 --> 00:11:59.159 I don't really do a general podcast for the average listener. 233 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:01.679 The people who live of my stuff are dedicated because 234 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:04.440 I just sit there and I read documents. No normal 235 00:12:04.519 --> 00:12:07.039 person is going to listen to me reading fourteen parts 236 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:11.720 of Kerry Thornleigh documents, right, you know. So I only 237 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:15.000 really recommend my podcast for the more serious researchers because 238 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:16.759 it's a great resource to just listen to and not 239 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:18.279 have to spend the time reading it yourself, you know. 240 00:12:19.159 --> 00:12:22.120 But yeah, my book is really where I want everyone 241 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:24.840 to go. A warning from history. I'll be working on 242 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:27.399 the second edition here in the next year, the next 243 00:12:27.399 --> 00:12:29.519 couple of months, once I finished this second book, because 244 00:12:29.519 --> 00:12:30.720 there's a couple of things I need to update, and 245 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:33.080 I'm putting out a second edition with all the all 246 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:35.799 of the pictures and documents and all this stuff. It's 247 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:38.799 going to be a Monster, probably two volumes, but yeah, 248 00:12:38.879 --> 00:12:42.000 go to Amazon and get the book for both of them. 249 00:12:42.159 --> 00:12:45.320 This is sid hat This is sid Hatfield again. Okay, 250 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:49.039 I'll point out right away that Corey doesn't apparently know 251 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:53.600 what Zionism is all that, all that Zionism is is 252 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:57.600 an iteration of fascist doctrine. It's Jewish fascism, that's all. 253 00:12:57.840 --> 00:13:00.320 There's nothing more to it than that. And it was 254 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:03.639 hitler'sess that laid the foundation for the creation of Israel 255 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:07.639 with their emigration program of so called German Jewry to Palestine, 256 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:10.000 which began about nineteen thirty six. 257 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:18.320 Well, the Hvar Agreement was nineteen thirty three, wasn't it. 258 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:21.000 Either way Hitler, let me say, so, you have the 259 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:22.799 Zionists and people are like, well, some people think that 260 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:25.799 he was like a Zionist puppet, which is ridiculous. The 261 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:27.840 enemy of my enemy is my friend, right, And so 262 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:31.960 basically Zionists are not pro Jewish, they're pro Zionists. They 263 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:37.759 want to relate replace Judaism with Zionism, which is basically, well, 264 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:39.519 you have on paper with Zionism in is but ultimately 265 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:41.080 it's a plot to take over the world. It all 266 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:44.559 goes back to their occultic nonsense and how and their 267 00:13:44.639 --> 00:13:47.919 supremacy supremacy views and all of all the rest of 268 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:51.039 us are cattle. And so that's ultimately what Zionism is. Yes, 269 00:13:51.039 --> 00:13:55.840 it is Jewish FASTI fascism for sure, but ultimately it 270 00:13:55.960 --> 00:13:58.840 is the most destructive ideology the world's ever seen. It's 271 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:00.679 leading to the destruction of Palace Stein, as we've seen 272 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:03.759 in the murder of how many people. And so, yeah, 273 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:08.519 I understand what he's saying, and he's not wrong, but 274 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:12.159 he's not completely correct and saying I don't know what 275 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:12.600 zion is. 276 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:16.919 It is, so you know, I just I'm not endorsing 277 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:19.919 it or anything, but it just there's an upcoming film, 278 00:14:19.960 --> 00:14:23.080 Palestine thirty six, which is about the Arab revolt. I 279 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:26.960 think it's made by a Palestinian woman filmmaker. So I 280 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:29.559 saw the trailer to that recently and it looks it 281 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:33.240 looks really good. This is at freezing wreck. Corey Hughes 282 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:35.440 might have a good idea of what happened that we're 283 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:38.600 moving into the TSBD here on this question. He might 284 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:40.600 have a good idea what happened, but he keeps saying 285 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:43.519 it's simple and it all fits. I'm sorry, but does 286 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:46.440 he ever listen to himself even if every word of 287 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:49.559 it were to be true, It's convoluted as hell. I 288 00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:53.360 think there were Oswald impersonators, and you you do mention 289 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:55.559 that by the way you do say I know, I know, 290 00:14:55.639 --> 00:14:59.559 I'm sounding crazy right now. I think there were Oswald impersonators, 291 00:14:59.559 --> 00:15:04.000 But that automatically makes the truth convoluted. Also, having the 292 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:08.159 impostor be the worker book depository, yet having the real 293 00:15:08.200 --> 00:15:11.480 Oswald except that story as some sort of cover is 294 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:16.399 convoluted as hell. Corey himself seems perplexed by the naturally 295 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:18.120 if I work in that building. 296 00:15:17.799 --> 00:15:20.440 Line right right, right, So, yeah, the whole thing is complex. 297 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:23.000 And when I say it's simple and straightforward, what I 298 00:15:23.240 --> 00:15:27.320 really am saying is when you grasp the totality of 299 00:15:27.519 --> 00:15:30.840 all the players, and you understand New Orleans, you understand 300 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:33.440 the relationship to Chicago Mob, you understand the relationship to 301 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:36.279 the LA Mob. You understand how all of these people 302 00:15:36.360 --> 00:15:40.639 are intimately connected through people like Jack Ruby and David Ferry. 303 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:45.320 Then the relationships between all the various parties seem they 304 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:51.240 come together primarily through the Mob aspect myri Lansky, right, 305 00:15:51.440 --> 00:15:53.399 And then we have perman Decks, which who sat on 306 00:15:53.399 --> 00:15:58.440 the board of permandecks, Joe Bonano and Modalits, Right, those 307 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:01.960 guys are like, those guys are big players in the 308 00:16:02.840 --> 00:16:07.679 American mafia scene, right, And so all that then flows 309 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:10.759 down to Marcelo and New Orleans and Traffacante and Tampa 310 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:15.159 and Giancana in Chicago and even the Mickey Cohen crowd 311 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:16.480 out in Los Angeles. 312 00:16:16.600 --> 00:16:16.720 Right. 313 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:21.279 So the interconnected web to me is very much present. 314 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:24.960 That's why when people say things like Roscoe White was 315 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:26.919 a shooter, or this guy was a shooter, or that 316 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:29.159 guy was a shooter, I'm like, they don't fit into 317 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:31.919 this web anywhere. I'm like, the reason I'm so quick 318 00:16:31.919 --> 00:16:34.200 to exclude people because they do not fit this web 319 00:16:34.279 --> 00:16:38.559 of convolution anywhere. There's no information that links them to 320 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:41.120 this immediate crowd. No, you might have cia people are 321 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:43.240 saying we're shooters, but you can't link them to any 322 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:45.879 one of these people outside this web of characters that 323 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:48.720 we've assembled, right, And so I'm sorry I forgot the 324 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:49.440 original question. 325 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:54.399 They had a question. He was just he was saying 326 00:16:54.399 --> 00:16:55.480 it was convoluted as hell. 327 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:57.600 It is convoluted. But when you really come to understand 328 00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:01.240 the big landscape, and you understand and the fact that 329 00:17:01.279 --> 00:17:04.160 A they use body doubles. B it's all tradecraft. You know, 330 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:08.640 you kind of understand how this thing was pulled together. 331 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:10.119 And then when you look at the setup of Oswald 332 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:13.599 in New Orleans, clearly CIA the trail through you know, 333 00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:17.319 Joe Anitas to Gauday to getting Oswald on TV all 334 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:21.799 CIA setup, right, so yeah, right corporate. So once you 335 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:26.160 understand this larger landscape, it's like, Okay, I can see 336 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:28.319 what they did there, all right, I got you over 337 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:30.400 that's what they did over here, and it and it 338 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:32.720 all makes sense and falls into place. And that's why 339 00:17:32.759 --> 00:17:34.759 I say sometimes it's pretty straightforward when it's not. 340 00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:38.519 And that's where and that's where you possibly lose folks 341 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:42.559 because for years you have folks who are accepting what 342 00:17:42.720 --> 00:17:46.119 has been presented, not I'm not even talking about the 343 00:17:46.160 --> 00:17:49.839 Warren Report. I'm talking about other research that is presented, 344 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:53.000 and you're trying to understand what you're seeing is not 345 00:17:53.279 --> 00:17:57.319 at all kind of reality. You know, there's there's so 346 00:17:57.440 --> 00:17:59.960 much more. There are more dynamics going on that you're 347 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:03.079 trying to bring out of those shadows. And I think 348 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:08.559 that's what's confusing people because it's a cognitive dissonance. Your 349 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:12.799 presentation of what happened is is just it's kind of 350 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:15.720 mind blowing for people, I think, and I think we're 351 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:18.519 struggling to kind of to pick. 352 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:21.880 Up right, keep up with you. Well, So a lot 353 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:25.880 of my research I started to realize that when it 354 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:29.200 came to like the assassination day and where people were 355 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:32.319 and stuff, I started to realize that people were lying, 356 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:35.359 and I'm like, why are you lying if you weren't there, 357 00:18:35.359 --> 00:18:37.119 what's it doing? What's going on here? Like Lauren Hall, 358 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:41.079 he has an alibi about being at like Hudson Medical 359 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:44.079 Equipment Supply applying for a job, right or something like that. Oh, 360 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:45.400 he met with a guy named Hudson who was with 361 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:49.240 this IP medical supply at in la And then that 362 00:18:49.400 --> 00:18:52.559 was bunk. That ended up being the I recanted his statement, 363 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:55.039 you know. And then you have David Ferry who just 364 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:57.599 none of David Fairy's story about the Winterland never made 365 00:18:57.640 --> 00:18:59.359 mey sense. And so as I'm reading and I'm like, 366 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:02.279 what is happening here? And it really took me a 367 00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:05.839 while before I realized, oh my god, people are saying 368 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:08.599 there are certain people when they're not right, Like, clearly 369 00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:11.839 David Ferry never went to the Winterland, but somebody was there, right. 370 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:15.200 And then when I realized who his inner circle was, right, 371 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:17.720 and then you go by the descriptions given by Rule 372 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:21.400 Lawn Truck Roland, It's like, oh, obviously it was Arcacha 373 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:24.839 who went to Winterland, and he obviously was already close 374 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:27.799 with Leyton Martin's and Alvin Boboof and those other guys. 375 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:29.799 That's why they you know, it wouldn't be a random 376 00:19:29.839 --> 00:19:31.720 person who's going to impersonate Ferry, it would be an 377 00:19:31.720 --> 00:19:35.599 inner circle guy, right. And so once I started realizing 378 00:19:35.599 --> 00:19:37.480 that a lot of people were not where they said 379 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:39.480 they were, I realized that the whole I was looking 380 00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:44.000 at the whole thing wrong. Just because someone said they 381 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:46.480 were somewhere doesn't mean that they were right. And that 382 00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:49.599 became a big part of me understanding that Oswald was 383 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:53.000 being impersonated, and even Jack Ruby had his brother Sam 384 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:57.200 impersonating him, and like everybody's being impersonated, and where does 385 00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:01.839 any impersonation ever come into the official story? Nowhere, not 386 00:20:01.960 --> 00:20:04.200 at all. And then the thing that really bothered me 387 00:20:04.279 --> 00:20:07.680 the most, and this still bothers me, the most simple 388 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:11.200 things like pattern recognition of the sightings of Oswald. How 389 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:13.440 many sightings of Oswald do we have where he's with 390 00:20:13.480 --> 00:20:16.279 a large husky Latin with a pockmark face. We got 391 00:20:16.279 --> 00:20:20.440 at least a half a dozen, right, And so I 392 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:24.079 don't understand how the relations how people William Seymour in 393 00:20:24.400 --> 00:20:27.200 numerous writings people said he looked like Oswald, and even 394 00:20:27.240 --> 00:20:30.640 Lawrence Howard said he resembled Oswald. And then when you 395 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:33.480 come to understand the relationship between Seymour and Lawrence Howard 396 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:36.519 and who Lawrence Howard is in his description the real 397 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:39.119 minute you realize that Lawrence Howard is a large husky 398 00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:41.640 Latin who's got a pockmark face, moles on his face, 399 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:44.720 he fills in a half a dozen gaps instantly, right, 400 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:47.680 And then it should have been a no brainer for 401 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:51.160 the Oswald hanging out with Lawrence Howard to have been 402 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:54.119 William Seymour. Right. Even Howard gave that clue when he 403 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:58.519 was interviewed. So to me, these things that are pretty obvious, 404 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:01.440 did it really take sixty years and someone like me 405 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:03.720 to figure it out? What kind of cruel world is this? 406 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:06.880 Why do researchers shy from who the shooters are? 407 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:11.319 Then I don't know, and it bothers me a lot, 408 00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:14.519 Like I just started reading James Douglas's book on JFK, 409 00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:15.480 The Unspeakable. 410 00:21:15.799 --> 00:21:16.920 Have you read before? 411 00:21:17.240 --> 00:21:19.640 No, I have not. I'm about one hundred and fifty 412 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:23.400 pages in, and my disappointment grows with every page. On 413 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:27.640 his very first page of his introduction, he makes the 414 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:32.880 statement that discussing the large scale operation of the assassination 415 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:35.599 is far more important than what happened on the ground. 416 00:21:35.599 --> 00:21:37.480 In Daily Plaza, he says that on page one of 417 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:38.799 his introductions, the split. 418 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:41.640 Sation, I think a lot of people think that. I 419 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:42.440 think Corey, I. 420 00:21:42.440 --> 00:21:44.920 Think that's wrong. I think it's blatantly wrong because when 421 00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:46.880 you look at it from that angle, you got fifty 422 00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:50.119 million CIA conspirators and you can't connect almost any of 423 00:21:50.200 --> 00:21:51.880 them to the damn assassination. So looking at it from 424 00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:53.920 that perspective is wrong. And the reason I went after 425 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:56.559 the shooters is because once you trace the shooters and 426 00:21:56.640 --> 00:21:59.160 reverse engineer their handlers, you can see exactly who was 427 00:21:59.240 --> 00:22:03.640 in the line of of the chain of command. Right. So, 428 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:05.759 but then you have this conspiracy layer where there's like 429 00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:07.960 all those fifty million CIA agents that you can't really 430 00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:10.200 link to anything. I just call them the conspiracy layer. 431 00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:13.000 Who's in that Dallas Angleton, all the top guys at CIA, 432 00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:16.160 who do I take out of that conspiracy layer? Jam Wave? 433 00:22:16.279 --> 00:22:18.799 Clearly all in Daily Plaza directly linked to the handling 434 00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:24.039 of New Orleans. Right, So, uh, what was the question? 435 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:28.000 Well, let me ask you about Douglass real quick. You 436 00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:31.240 know his thesis is about JFK one and piece. 437 00:22:31.559 --> 00:22:32.519 Okay, So so. 438 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:35.000 He has he talked about Demona yet. 439 00:22:35.400 --> 00:22:37.559 I haven't gotten I haven't gotten that far in the book. 440 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:39.519 He doesn't talk about that, okay. So one thing that 441 00:22:39.519 --> 00:22:42.599 really bothered me is offload. A lot of researchers offload 442 00:22:43.359 --> 00:22:45.960 their research to other researchers and just take them at 443 00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:49.119 face value. And you can't do that. Like one example, 444 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:52.880 I think he references Oswald going to being at five 445 00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:56.200 point forty four Camp Street with Guy Banister and giving 446 00:22:56.200 --> 00:22:59.319 an office on the second floor, and he obviously didn't 447 00:22:59.319 --> 00:23:01.680 research at himself. He took that from somebody else. Because 448 00:23:01.799 --> 00:23:05.200 I believe that's one hundred percent wrong. We can clearly 449 00:23:05.240 --> 00:23:08.480 put the relationship between Kerry Thornley and Guy Banister going 450 00:23:08.519 --> 00:23:13.720 back to like late sixty one, right, So carry Thornley 451 00:23:13.759 --> 00:23:19.039 is connected to LSU Professor Martin mccauliffe through Joyce Tally. 452 00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:23.440 Joyce Tally probably a Cia Honey Potter hangaround or something. 453 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:27.440 And then Martin mccaulliffe wants to meet Carry Thornley over 454 00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:29.960 his book about Oswald The Idle Warriors, which to me 455 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:33.720 is like unbelievable, it's a bad cover story. And then 456 00:23:34.880 --> 00:23:37.119 Martin mccaulliffe likes the book so much he wants to 457 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:39.160 introduce him to Guy Banister, and so we have the 458 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:41.880 definitive relationship between Kerry Thornley and Guy Banister going back 459 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:45.359 to late sixty one. By summer sixty two he puts 460 00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:47.319 himself in the company of David Ferry and a whole 461 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:50.000 crew over there, right, so we've got this huge relationship 462 00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:56.319 between Carry Thornley and this New Orleans crew and Douglas Jones. 463 00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:00.240 Basically to Wiseberg pointed out that it was Kerry Thry 464 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:02.079 who picked up the flyers from him. He identified four 465 00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:04.240 pictures of Kerry Thornley, even one with Kerry Thornley with 466 00:24:04.279 --> 00:24:06.119 the beard, and said, this is the guy who picked 467 00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:09.039 up the flyers. So obviously Kerry Thornley was managing the 468 00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:12.119 fair play for Cuba Committee project, right, And how do 469 00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:14.480 we know this? Another do we also know this because 470 00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:16.319 the name he put on the on the paperwork. He 471 00:24:16.720 --> 00:24:18.160 liked to use names of people who are in the 472 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:21.759 Marines with Oswald. He used the name Osborne Leon Osbourne, 473 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:25.839 Osbourne Mac Osborne was in the MACS unit at Santa Ana. 474 00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:30.119 And so for anyone to say that Oswald was at 475 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:33.920 five forty four Camp Street, I'm calling bullshit because you're 476 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:35.839 not gonna let your guy you're setting up walk around 477 00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:39.119 the belly of the operation. It's not gonna happen. So 478 00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:41.960 every reference I see to Oswald hanging out at five 479 00:24:42.079 --> 00:24:44.440 forty four Camp Street, to me just shows a very 480 00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:47.359 shallow level of research. And I've caught two or three 481 00:24:47.400 --> 00:24:50.119 times that Douglas has done this and offloaded his research 482 00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:52.119 to someone else and just referenced him because it supported 483 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:54.480 whatever thesis he was going with at the time. Now, 484 00:24:54.759 --> 00:24:57.279 should you quote other researchers, absolutely, but you got to 485 00:24:57.319 --> 00:24:58.759 go into their work and you got to figure out 486 00:24:58.759 --> 00:24:59.920 the real story. And this is why I'm a big 487 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:02.079 forget it, just going right to the documents and skipping 488 00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:04.880 people's books, because you'll get you'll get sidetracked with people's 489 00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:07.920 opinions on stuff, right, to be a total hypocrite because 490 00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:08.920 I wrote a book and I want you to get 491 00:25:08.920 --> 00:25:12.240 sidetracked on my opinions, right, So take that as you will. 492 00:25:13.880 --> 00:25:16.519 But no, so Douglas. He wrote this epic book and 493 00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:18.519 it's like small print. Man, it's like tiny print, and 494 00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:22.680 it's a lot. It's a huge book. Is if you 495 00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:25.920 know nothing about the assassination or that era, yes, read 496 00:25:25.960 --> 00:25:28.160 the book and it'll teach you a ton, But if 497 00:25:28.160 --> 00:25:29.640 you already know a lot of that stuff, to me, 498 00:25:29.720 --> 00:25:31.519 the book has gotten I've gotten zero value out of 499 00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:33.400 it thus far. And I don't mean to just be 500 00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:37.680 counter to the flow of you know, popular opinion, but 501 00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:41.480 I'm just critical of these people who didn't take the 502 00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:43.079 time on certain areas where they should have. And this 503 00:25:43.160 --> 00:25:44.720 is a big problem I have with Kennedy Research, as 504 00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:46.680 they don't focus on the micro details and they take 505 00:25:46.720 --> 00:25:49.119 things for granted like the whole Like the Clinton voter 506 00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:53.200 registration incident. Everyone is convinced Oswald was at Clinton. No 507 00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:56.319 possibility Oswald was at Clinton. And we know this because 508 00:25:56.440 --> 00:25:58.839 you go into the backstory of Clinton. There's two or 509 00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:00.960 three incidents that led up to it, which proof it 510 00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:02.839 wasn't Oswald because he was driving a car and all 511 00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:07.480 this stuff and you know. So, yeah, the Clinton voter 512 00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:12.799 registration incident, fascinating incident. Clearly Kerrie Thornley. And the reason 513 00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:14.160 I want to know why they were doing it because 514 00:26:14.200 --> 00:26:15.960 he was trying to get a job at Jackson Hospital 515 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:18.160 and he spent like a month trying to build up 516 00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:20.559 to Clinton to get a job at the Jackson Hospital. 517 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:24.599 Why yes or somebody, Yeah, it was. I'm convinced it 518 00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:27.880 was Thornley. Obviously we can't prove that. But why were 519 00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:30.279 they trying to get somebody into Jackson? Why? What could 520 00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:33.160 possibly be going on there? Well, the only thing that 521 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:35.519 I can think of is that Oswald had an aunt 522 00:26:35.680 --> 00:26:41.559 named Pearl, Pearl Claverie, who was Marguerite's sister. Who was 523 00:26:42.279 --> 00:26:44.400 she was there and she died there in August of 524 00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:47.039 that same Yearly, it was only like two months later 525 00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:48.440 that they were starting to set up this whole thing 526 00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:49.839 to get into Jackson. So I don't know what that 527 00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:51.920 was about. No one will ever know what that's about, 528 00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:54.359 and that drives me crazy. So what was going on 529 00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:56.799 at Jackson in August of sixty three or September of 530 00:26:56.839 --> 00:26:59.279 sixty three that they needed to get into because that's 531 00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:02.319 a side that's like a side quest to the main game. 532 00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:04.920 They like that whole story. Really, I can't seem to 533 00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:09.640 connect to the main Kennedy story. I just can't see 534 00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:13.920 other than this connection to Oswald's aunt. But yeah, people 535 00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:15.720 who just assume it is Oswald and it's not, you 536 00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:19.119 got to really dig deep into the documents and the 537 00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:21.440 surrounding circumstances to realize that it was in Oswald. 538 00:27:21.920 --> 00:27:27.279 So, okay, this is from Time Magazine actually March twenty fourth, 539 00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:31.960 nineteen sixty seven, and it's Time recounting Perry Russo's grand 540 00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:35.519 jury testimony from two days earlier. And I'll follow if 541 00:27:35.559 --> 00:27:38.480 it's my question at the end here. So this is 542 00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:42.880 Time magazine triangulation of Crossfire. Garrison star performer was Baton 543 00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:46.400 Rouge insurance salesman Perry Raymond Russo, twenty five, who seemed 544 00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:49.440 a perfect witness for the prosecution until the defense began 545 00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:53.400 questioning him. Russo said that in September nineteen sixty three, 546 00:27:53.559 --> 00:27:56.000 he heard a plot to kill Kennedy revealed during the 547 00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:58.519 late night party at the New Orleans apartment of David Ferry, 548 00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:01.920 the ex Airline pilot who died last month. Also present 549 00:28:01.960 --> 00:28:05.119 were two men whom Russo knew as Clem Bertrand and 550 00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:09.559 Leon Oswald. Russo said he saw he had seen Oswald, 551 00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:14.000 who was half shaven and dirty, once before, in Ferry's apartment, 552 00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:16.960 cleaning a rifle like the rifle found in the Texas 553 00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:20.279 Book Depository. The weapon had a bold action telescopic lens. 554 00:28:20.599 --> 00:28:23.799 During the nineteen sixty three party, Russo testified, Fairy paced 555 00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:27.079 up and down. We've seen this played out and as 556 00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:30.000 Joe Passion doing it in JFK, throwing out ideas about 557 00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:33.440 triangulation of crossfire, the need for more than one gunman 558 00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:37.839 in the assassination attempt, and the probability that one of 559 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:41.079 those there on the scene would be a kind of scapegoat. 560 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:44.759 One had to be sacrificed. That was a quote discussing 561 00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:48.160 escape routes. Ferry suggested flying to Brazil with a refueling 562 00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:51.720 stopover in Mexico or directly to Cuba. Played in court 563 00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:54.640 later was a television interview that Russo gave to a 564 00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:57.880 Baton Rouge station last month, in which he quoted Ferry 565 00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:00.960 as sank only a month before the assassin. We will 566 00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:04.720 get him and it won't be very long question for you, Corey, 567 00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:08.519 So is this coming from Ferry at this point or 568 00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:12.359 is he speaking for Bender in the idea of Jewish 569 00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:13.599 agency masade, et cetera. 570 00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:17.559 No, I think he's definitely speaking for himself. The connections 571 00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:21.119 to all that are obviously through Clayshaw. Clay Shaw sat 572 00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:23.599 on the board permandex and CMC. That connects him to 573 00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:27.839 everybody right there. Permandex is is the I consider it 574 00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:30.799 the oversight board of the assassination. But really that to 575 00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:36.759 me was the proof that the Masad, Cia mafia and 576 00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:39.039 a whole bunch of other organizations all worked together in 577 00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:41.680 this illegal cabal. It was kind of like the Safari 578 00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:45.279 Club in seventy nine, the CIA outside the CIA. And 579 00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:48.519 we know the funding for Permandex came from Seligman and Schroeder, 580 00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:53.319 organized by Alan Dulles, right, And so you plug Clayshaw 581 00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:55.039 into that, and what does that tell you? He was 582 00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:58.519 a lot more than just some low level agent dealing 583 00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:02.079 with Latin America or whatever international trade. That guy was 584 00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:04.880 a major player for them to put him in that 585 00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:07.440 position in the first place, And to me, that's where 586 00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:08.839 it connects and then you have these so you have 587 00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:13.640 different levels of the motivation. Becomes irrelevant really because you 588 00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:15.599 have you have multiple motivations. The guys who pulled the 589 00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:18.359 trigger have a different motivation than the guys who gave 590 00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:21.200 the order. I mean clearly, whether it's money or they 591 00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:26.319 hated Kennedy or whatever it was. The motivations don't have 592 00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:26.839 to align. 593 00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:30.720 But the unifying element, you would argue, would be what 594 00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:33.359 then if there were different motivations but they had the 595 00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:39.000 same intent, where does that What links that then to it? 596 00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:41.960 The need to get rid of Kennedy. Kennedy's death itself 597 00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:45.720 was the one overlap and for different reasons, maybe revenge, 598 00:30:46.119 --> 00:30:50.960 maybe they prevent change. You know, it really didn't matter 599 00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:53.119 because they were all They were all willing to do it. 600 00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:57.119 So I believe David Ferry was very much an unwilling 601 00:30:57.119 --> 00:30:58.720 participant in a lot of the stuff that he did. 602 00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:03.559 They have blackmail on him. I'm going through his file 603 00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:06.599 once again. It's funny. I've read these files so many 604 00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:09.519 times and I always find new stuff. It's wild. 605 00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:14.720 But David, everyone should note what you just said for 606 00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:16.799 researchers and what I and I have to mention this 607 00:31:16.839 --> 00:31:20.680 before I forget. Have you ever thought about being an educator? 608 00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:22.839 I I hate the answer I'm going to give you, 609 00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:28.000 but I haven't. But if the money's on the table, 610 00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:29.279 I'm willing to do whatever. 611 00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:32.960 So you know, you would be a great teacher because 612 00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:35.759 a lot of and I've seen you in your podcast 613 00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:39.440 and you want to encourage people to learn research. Yes, 614 00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:41.599 because it's and what you just said about going back 615 00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:43.839 and reviewing the files, even though you've already done it, 616 00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:45.000 you're still learning things. 617 00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:49.000 I've read some documents like ten times, Like the David 618 00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:51.799 Ferry file, I've read through in its entirety, all seven 619 00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:55.759 hundred or eight hundred pages at least three or four times. 620 00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:57.640 And this time I went through it, I knew that 621 00:31:57.720 --> 00:31:59.240 he had they had blackmail on him, but what I 622 00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:03.400 realized was that they had a party one night and 623 00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:07.039 they had I'm not going to use their terminology, but 624 00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:10.240 they had three black girls there. The implication is that 625 00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:13.480 they were under age, and that there were film and 626 00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:16.519 pictures of David Ferry having sex with one of them, 627 00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:20.880 and his house was broken into and those films and 628 00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:24.799 the pictures were stolen, and so I'm convinced he was 629 00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:29.160 being and he told Brocheers. Reverend Brochers later that he 630 00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:31.440 was being blackmailed, and so I think that he was 631 00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:33.799 being blackmailed. But I think it didn't matter when it 632 00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:35.680 came to Kennedy because he was on board with that. 633 00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:39.839 You know. Anyone who talks about you know, like Propinquity 634 00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:42.359 and others who mentioned Faery as being a really nice 635 00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:46.400 guy and need to read the Deer bastardly. 636 00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:48.839 The Dear Bastard letter, yep. And that's one of the 637 00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:52.559 most important pieces of evidence that connects him to the 638 00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:55.200 And this is so obvious. I read that again yesterday, 639 00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:58.400 and the Dear Bastard Letter, it's like it has so 640 00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:03.240 much like basically identifies who the seaman coming into Galveston 641 00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:05.400 with the with the drugs was right. It says in 642 00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:07.519 that letter, you know, hey, what was that stuff that 643 00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:09.039 cloud dying? You got to bring more of that when 644 00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:11.200 you get back into town. Hey, when you come when's 645 00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:12.519 your ship coming back into town? 646 00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:13.039 Right? 647 00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:15.799 And then in the David Ferry file, like two pages later, 648 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:18.640 it's got a page on Blackman, right, and it says 649 00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:20.799 that he's in the International Seamen's Union. So within three 650 00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:23.359 pages you can prove who the seaman coming into the Galvestonport, 651 00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:25.359 was right. And then when you realize that he got 652 00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:28.799 interrogated like the Tuesday after the assassination by everybody, right, 653 00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:30.599 it's like, duh, of course he was the guy bringing 654 00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:32.559 in the drugs, because that's what that's what David Ferry 655 00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:34.440 was talking about the Dear Bastard letter. And then at 656 00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:36.680 the bottom of the Deer Bastard letter it says for 657 00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:42.440 character evaluation only of Blackstone, Hello, and then the next page, 658 00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:45.279 two pages later, it's black Mon Right, So obviously Blackman 659 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.119 was the guy bringing in he was. To me, that 660 00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:50.519 makes it obvious he was the railroad man because there's 661 00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:53.279 nobody else in that inner circle. You're not gonna go 662 00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:56.000 rob a bank with a total stranger, right, You're the 663 00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:57.640 guy who he was breaking down the rifle for you 664 00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:00.200 is going to be an intercircle guy. And black was 665 00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:02.319 in town for the weekend and then grilled on Tuesday. 666 00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:03.960 So I have to me that's how I put together 667 00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:07.119 the pieces on the railroad man, based on the description, 668 00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:08.920 the height all that stuff, because Blackman was like six 669 00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:10.400 foot two, you know, something like that. 670 00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:18.119 And so yeah, yeah, next question, all right, April tenth, 671 00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:21.239 nineteen sixty three, Why is that date significant. 672 00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:23.199 That's the Walker shooting. 673 00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:26.440 Where Oswald took a shot at General Walker. 674 00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:29.559 But I say that none of that story makes any sense. 675 00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:34.000 And when you get into the statements of Kirk Coleman, 676 00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:36.519 who was the fourteen year old kid who live next door. 677 00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:39.559 So Kirk Coleman, here's the shots. He goes running outside 678 00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:42.199 and he looks over the fence and he sees two 679 00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:44.840 cars aisling. I forget what cars they were. One of them, 680 00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:46.440 I think it was like a fifty seven or fifty 681 00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:49.679 eight Chevy, and that car had actually been seen a 682 00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:53.000 week a couple of days prior circling Walker's house by 683 00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:56.199 Max Klunch. And so those guys get in, one guy 684 00:34:56.239 --> 00:34:57.960 throws something in the back seat, they pull off. It's 685 00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:01.320 obviously there's two people there. Okay, the descriptions are kind 686 00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:06.440 of vague, but one of them, he said, was real skinny. 687 00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:08.599 I mean, he describes one of them as being like 688 00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:12.239 five eleven six foot, two hundred pounds, you know. And 689 00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:14.679 then when you understand the relationships and what was going on, 690 00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:17.199 and then the sports drone rifle range stuff, to me, 691 00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:19.519 it kind of fell into place that it was Howard 692 00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.840 and Seymour, you know, and Oswald look alike there and so. 693 00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:24.920 But then when I get to the statements of Jules 694 00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:28.519 Rico Kimball, he straight up says, in no uncertain terms, 695 00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:32.280 it was Howard and Seymour. And Garrison's grilling him on that, 696 00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:35.760 and he's like, well, you know, Oswald allegedly had somebody 697 00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:38.639 with him when it was allegedly two people there when 698 00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:40.639 someone took a shot. And he goes, oh, you mean 699 00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:43.079 like Howard and Seymour, And he makes a comment about 700 00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:45.400 how Howard was always wanting to get driven around doing 701 00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:50.199 pulling some kind of caper and so, and then Garrison says, oh, 702 00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:54.559 you think it was Howard and Seymour, And then Kimball says, look, 703 00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:56.800 I ain't trying to prove anything. I'm just trying to 704 00:35:56.840 --> 00:35:59.960 tell you what happened and why. And so that made 705 00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:02.679 very clear to me that's exactly who it was. Doesn't 706 00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:04.400 make any sense for Oswald to have done it. That 707 00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:09.519 means Marina lied about everything. Marina is such a backstabber. 708 00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:11.440 But hey, if it's be a backstabber or get sent 709 00:36:11.440 --> 00:36:13.360 back to the Soviet Union as a trader, you know 710 00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:14.239 what are you going to take? 711 00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:14.800 Right? You know? 712 00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:16.360 Because I'm sure they would make some stuff up about 713 00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:18.559 her and send her back if she didn't participate, or 714 00:36:18.639 --> 00:36:23.119 kill her or something, Billiam it on Oswald. But yeah, 715 00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:25.239 once you pull apart certain pieces of the story, like 716 00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:27.639 the Walker shooting, it becomes obvious who's lying and who's not, 717 00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:31.039 and who is involved in this scheme and who's not. 718 00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:36.119 So the mechanics are in are we're moving now? April tenth. 719 00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:40.920 That's deliberate attempt although. 720 00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:43.480 Right right, I would say so. And on Walker had 721 00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:45.079 to be in on it because he was visited by 722 00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:50.840 Lauren Hall and Jerry Hemming in March. So Lauren Hall 723 00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:53.719 and Jerry Hemming leave from Los Angeles and they go 724 00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:57.400 to Dallas. There they meet with Lester Logue, they meet 725 00:36:57.400 --> 00:36:59.840 with who's one of the oil guys in the background, 726 00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:02.119 potential funder of stuff. But I don't really pay much 727 00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:05.480 attention to these oil guys because there are plenty. And 728 00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:08.039 then they meet with Walker and then like two weeks later, 729 00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:11.039 the shooting happens and Walker's never He's not shot as 730 00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:12.480 like misses and goes through a window. It was an 731 00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:14.960 intentional miss right. Like the whole story is stupid, the 732 00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:17.480 whole the idea that Oswald wouldever admit to that is stupid. 733 00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:19.960 The idea he ever owned that rifle is stupid. The 734 00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:22.039 rifle was ordered with a fake money order, you know, 735 00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:24.800 I mean the money order. So I got to dig 736 00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:27.079 back into this, but I guess a lot of the evidence, 737 00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:29.159 like the photocopies we have of evidence where there's no 738 00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:32.320 original copies anymore, that disappeared. A lot of this stuff 739 00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:35.079 was all presented through one FBI attorney and I can't 740 00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:36.719 remember his name, but I got to do a deep 741 00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:39.599 dive into him because this guy is one lawyer presented 742 00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:42.119 a lot of evidence that all we have are photocopies 743 00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:47.280 like the Oswald money order that was actually used, allegedly used, 744 00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:50.639 it does not exist. Okay, All we have are photo 745 00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:52.840 copies of the front and back. And they screwed up 746 00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:56.480 bad here because the money order in the sixties were 747 00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:58.519 on card stock. They were hard card stock. I got 748 00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:01.440 pictures of them, like but they faked it on a 749 00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:04.199 piece of paper because it's got ink bleed through and 750 00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:06.280 you're not gonna get ink bleed through on card stocks. 751 00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:08.440 So the money orders fake. He didn't order the rifle. 752 00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:09.760 He could have gone in just like in the movie. 753 00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:11.800 They said he could have gone into any shop in 754 00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:14.119 Texas and bought a gun that was untraceable. The whole 755 00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:17.519 story is ridiculously stupid. It's an obvious setup, right, and 756 00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:20.239 so yeah, these are all just little pieces of the 757 00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:22.840 puzzle that fall into place once you start to see 758 00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:24.840 this is like a big logic problem, you know, like 759 00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:28.119 you know, Joe is looking up, Mike is looking down, 760 00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:31.800 somebody is looking to the left, who's looking at who? Right? Again, 761 00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:33.679 those kind of things, right, All you ought to do 762 00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:35.599 is once you can say with certainty this didn't happen, 763 00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:38.559 this becomes a concrete point and you have to move 764 00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:40.199 the rest of the puzzle around it. And eventually you 765 00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:42.159 get a lot of concrete points and then this very 766 00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:45.079 little room to move these things. And so that's what 767 00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:49.559 this is. It's a big logic problem. And once I 768 00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:52.119 realized that, and I realize you can make some concrete judgments, 769 00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:53.639 the rest of the story started to. 770 00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:57.960 Unfold, you know, as you know, you know Jeff Caufield's work, 771 00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:00.559 who throws everything on the radical right? And I was 772 00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:05.039 hitting the radical right pretty hard, trying to corroborate. 773 00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:06.760 Call Field, which guy is Cawfield? Again? 774 00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:10.440 He wrote General Walker in the murder of President Kennedy, 775 00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:13.840 who put everything on on Walker as the men. 776 00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:15.440 He did your show and he did like his book 777 00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:17.719 is like a thousand pages, right, yeah, yeah, I remember that. 778 00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:20.960 One yeah, one star review from the Eugenio on Amazon. 779 00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:25.840 But but that might almost be something to brag about though, honestly. 780 00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:29.880 But you know, I wonder though if there was speculating here, 781 00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:33.239 but if there was if there was a collusion element 782 00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:39.400 in place between factions of that radical right and the 783 00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:42.920 contingent of New Orleans and the and and and those 784 00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:45.639 individuals and at some point. 785 00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:47.000 The radical right, Like I can't really seem to link 786 00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:50.440 them into anything except like maybe a support network. So 787 00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:54.039 out in Los Angeles, you got like Carl McIntyre crew, 788 00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:56.519 you know, all these guys that connects to Warren Reynolds, 789 00:39:56.559 --> 00:39:58.559 which is like a one in a million kind of coincidence. 790 00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:02.960 And Harry Thornley, Kerry Thornley, Warren Reynolds, and Lauren Hall 791 00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:05.000 all met together in Whittier, California at a meeting of 792 00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:09.239 the State's Rights Party. Okay, Like that's pretty wild to me. 793 00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:12.559 But I can't really link directly any of these right 794 00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:15.480 wing guys, even Miltyer who was probably in Daly Plaza 795 00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:18.039 or a least knew about it. I'm just convinced that 796 00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:21.079 a lot of people knew. Like, we probably have one 797 00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:22.960 hundred plus people who are in Daily Plaza have never 798 00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:25.880 been identified. You know, there's a guy crossing the street 799 00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:27.280 with a hammer in his hand. Who the hell is 800 00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:29.480 that guy? Right, Like, there's so many people we just 801 00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:32.800 don't know. And so I'm convinced. Not only am I 802 00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:34.760 convinced they had a lot of people there to witness 803 00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:37.960 what happened, but I'm convinced also they flew a lot 804 00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:41.320 of people in from mafia, Corsican mafia, who to hell 805 00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:44.960 knows who else, just to be in Daily Plaza, just 806 00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:47.920 to be there. Because I have a feeling the CIA 807 00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:51.559 sends messages to the FBI and their actions, Like when 808 00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:53.960 the FBI comes across the fact that there's a dozen 809 00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:58.039 known assassins wandering around Dallas at the time, they're gonna 810 00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:00.639 know that's an op and they're gonna know that's a 811 00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:03.519 message to them to either back off or just to 812 00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:06.119 muddy the water, because those Corsica and mafia guys were 813 00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:09.239 all there in Dallas. Does an FBI report documents them 814 00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:11.800 tracing them into Montreal. They then crossed the border into 815 00:41:11.840 --> 00:41:13.920 New York. Then they made their way down to Dallas. 816 00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:14.760 That is a fact. 817 00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:19.800 But is this Sarti and others or is this Swetra. 818 00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:22.280 I don't think there's any names attached to it. There's 819 00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:24.079 no names attached to it, But I wouldn't say it matters. 820 00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:26.559 And honestly, those guys, to me, if they didn't pull 821 00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:28.400 a trigger, they're irrelevant and they're just there to muddy 822 00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:30.199 to water. So I dug into the whole Suetra thing 823 00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:32.119 and the whole you know what was his name, Michael 824 00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:34.360 Christian thing, and he gave you know, he talked to 825 00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:36.159 Joe West. They gave him all that information about the 826 00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:39.440 parallel shooter or no, he knew something because some of 827 00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:40.880 the information was right that he gave him and some 828 00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:42.519 of the information was wrong that he gave him. And 829 00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:44.880 so when I started looking into the whole Seetra thing, 830 00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:46.920 and turns out he has like what Michael rue and 831 00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:49.239 has got like three other aliases. But here's one thing 832 00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:52.239 I need to point out about that those three names 833 00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:57.239 are three real people whose identity was being shared. That 834 00:41:57.280 --> 00:41:59.840 to me is an identity transfer operation like anything else, 835 00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:03.320 and so do you find these identity transfer operations all 836 00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:06.519 over the place. And so once I kind of determined 837 00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:09.559 that the shooters were really part of this web of 838 00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:12.719 people we already all know about, it kind of eliminated, 839 00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:15.760 Like I said, I can't link the course agains or 840 00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:18.800 any of these other people to this web of inner 841 00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:19.719 circle stuff, you know. 842 00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:23.800 All right, all right, let's move on. This is at 843 00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:27.159 David Moss for two eight zero. The only rifle found 844 00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:30.880 in the TSBD that day was Oswald's Manlicher Carcano rifle. 845 00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:33.639 It's such a simple case. What do you think Oswald 846 00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:37.159 carried into work that morning? Curtain rods? And then I replied, 847 00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:39.519 how do you know he worked there in the first place? 848 00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:42.599 His reply, The fact that Oswald worked at the TSBD 849 00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:46.320 building is undisputed. There are documents and testimonies that confirm it, 850 00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:49.760 including a job black of patient pay stubs of verification 851 00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:52.719 from his manager, Roy Truley, as well as multiple witnesses, 852 00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:56.039 statements from more colleagues. Oswald himself even admitted to it 853 00:42:56.079 --> 00:42:58.800 on a TV broadcast. Like I say, it is undisputed 854 00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:02.440 and even accepted by the Jority of JFK Assassination conspiracy world. 855 00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:06.400 That just said it all. It's accepted by everybody. See, 856 00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:10.480 people take things for granted, and I learned very early 857 00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:13.920 on you cannot take anything for granted in this case. 858 00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.519 This case is as close to a real life Truman 859 00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:22.639 show as we've ever seen in any historical event. So Oswald, 860 00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:24.840 when you look at os we look at the statements 861 00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:27.159 surrounding Oswald is starting at the very beginning of the day, 862 00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:29.679 him showing up at Bill Fraser's house and getting a 863 00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:32.880 ride to work with Curtain Rod's this story falls apart. 864 00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:38.039 So he claims Bill Fraser claimed that Oswald when he 865 00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:41.440 came that day, was wearing a gray more or less 866 00:43:41.559 --> 00:43:45.599 flannel wool type coat, and he specifically called it a coat, 867 00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:48.519 not a jacket. A jacket is a more light thing. 868 00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:52.159 A coat is a coat. Oswald never owned a coat 869 00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.400 like that. That coat doesn't exist. There's no coat like that. 870 00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:58.239 Founded the book Depository, and then Oswald, the whole thing 871 00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:01.679 with the coat screws me up because Oswald allegedly left 872 00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:04.039 to go home to get his jacket to go to 873 00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:05.639 the movies. So why are you gonna home, go home 874 00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:07.400 and get a jacket if you've already brought a coat 875 00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:09.039 with you to work. It doesn't make any sense. And 876 00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:11.239 then I realized that you have Ed Shields, who was 877 00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:13.119 a guy who worked at the warehouse section and he 878 00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:17.000 testified before the House Committee on Assassinations. He testified that 879 00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:20.800 he was outside that morning and Buel Fraser is walking 880 00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:24.079 into the building and someone called out to Bull Fraser, Hey, Buell, 881 00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:27.440 where's your rider? And Bill Fraser said, I dropped him 882 00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:29.880 off at the building. That's a different story than they 883 00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:31.920 pulled into the back parking lot in the railroad yards, 884 00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:34.320 and then Oswald walked into the building. That's a different story. 885 00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:36.679 That was really when I threw in the towel on 886 00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:39.199 Buill Fraser realized he's lying about all this stuff. So 887 00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:41.159 we have all the evidence of him getting to work 888 00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:42.440 with curtain rods and all that stuff is out the 889 00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:44.320 window because it's based on Buell Fraser, who's a liar. 890 00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:47.719 Nobody at the building ever saw him bring a package in. 891 00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:50.880 And if you want to address if there was somebody 892 00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:52.920 at the building with paystubs and all this stuff, you 893 00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:55.000 have to answer a couple questions. Number one of the 894 00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:58.440 handwriting on the application, I'm convinced doesn't match. I'm convinced 895 00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:01.199 Oswald didn't fill that out. Oswald hand writing is chicken scratch, 896 00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:04.039 just like give Jim Garrison put it. Look at the 897 00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:07.400 self written biography that he did when he was in 898 00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:10.880 the Soviet Union is almost illegible. His handwriting is so 899 00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:12.880 poor that ain't the handwriting on the application for the 900 00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:17.760 book depository. When you look at who's on the payroll roster, 901 00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:20.280 who's on the different lists of people who work there, 902 00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:23.440 you have three different names. You have Lee Harvey Oswald 903 00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:26.199 on the actual roster itself of employees turned over to 904 00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:28.559 the Dallas Police, it said Harvey Lee Oswald. And then 905 00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:32.039 the payroll slips for the last week that Oswald allegedly 906 00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:34.800 worked there said Leslie Oswald. So you got three different 907 00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:37.760 names on the damn thing. And if you have somebody 908 00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:40.280 who's impersonating Oswald and he's introduced to everyone at the 909 00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:42.199 building as Oswald, of course you're gonna have witnesses ay 910 00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:45.039 and Oswald worked there. We don't have. We have hundreds 911 00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:48.840 of pictures of daily plaza the minutes after virtually everything 912 00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:51.440 was captured in a photograph or film somewhere in the 913 00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:54.679 first ten minutes. You know, we have no pictures of 914 00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:58.840 Oswald ever having been there at all. And then in 915 00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:04.440 doing my research, I find the story everything about Oswald 916 00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:06.599 being in the building that day. The most compelling story that, 917 00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:08.360 if you want to say Oswald was there, was the 918 00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:11.639 myth that Oswald was stopped in the second floor lunch 919 00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:15.280 room drinking a coke story by Baker and truly that 920 00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:19.639 story never happened. That is a myth. They fabricated that 921 00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:23.280 story because it is absolutely one hundred percent impossible for 922 00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:26.039 Baker and truly to have entered that building prior to 923 00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:29.760 twelve thirty six or twelve thirty seven PM, which means 924 00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:31.280 and why would they do that? Well, if you look 925 00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:35.119 at Willis ten photo, it's pretty clear they made an 926 00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:36.920 arrest outside the front of the pository. They're taking a 927 00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:40.920 man dressed all in black into custody. And so from 928 00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:43.000 what I've gathered based on the data, is that the 929 00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:45.800 shooter at the dal Techs ran north on Houston Street. 930 00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:47.920 When Baker got off his motorcycle. It wasn't to go 931 00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:50.480 into the depository. He claims that he believed the shots 932 00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:53.400 came from the depository because he heard him. No, he didn't, No, 933 00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:55.480 he didn't. He didn't come into the Daily Plaza for 934 00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:58.199 at least ten or twelve seconds after that happened. There's 935 00:46:58.239 --> 00:47:00.280 no possibility he could have heard where the shots came from. 936 00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:02.280 So we lied about that. And I believe what he 937 00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:04.599 saw was a man running with a rifle north on 938 00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:06.800 Houston Street, and then he goes and arrest that man, 939 00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:10.519 and that's captured in Willis ten. This totally debunks the 940 00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:12.920 idea that anybody could enter that building within ninety seconds. 941 00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:15.440 And it's more important to put Oswald on that floor 942 00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:18.679 inside the building than covering up an arrest outside the building. 943 00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:21.280 And so I believe that's exactly what happened, and I 944 00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:22.800 can say it a certain do we know this because 945 00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:26.199 of the statements of Robert McNeil, Robert McNeil reporter. He 946 00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:28.119 enters the book depository to make a phone call. He 947 00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:30.000 enters there, there's no cops in there, and he says, 948 00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:32.360 there's three men in there who are exceedingly calm for 949 00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:35.360 the pandemonium going on outside around them, which makes perfect 950 00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:37.480 sense to me because it was Buil Frasier, William Shelley 951 00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:40.559 and Bill Lovelady. Bill Lovelady who obviously killed the power 952 00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:42.360 to the building and turned it back on after the 953 00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:44.840 shots were fired. His phone call to this was New 954 00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:47.760 York News Desk didn't happen till twelve thirty six, so 955 00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:50.119 we can assume he didn't exit the building till twelve 956 00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:53.480 thirty seven ish, right, And when he left, he said 957 00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:55.320 there was no cops in the building. But when Baker 958 00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:58.000 and Truly allegedly come down from going upstairs, the buildings 959 00:47:58.039 --> 00:48:00.920 flooded with the cops already. So those two stories are incongruent. 960 00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:02.719 So it doesn't make sense for Baker and Truly to 961 00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:07.000 have entered the building prior to Robert McNeil making his 962 00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:09.679 phone call. Period. And then this makes perfect sense to 963 00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:12.079 me once again, because they end up stopping the man 964 00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:14.239 not in the second floor a lunch room with a 965 00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:16.880 coke story, they stop in between the third and fourth floor. 966 00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:19.519 We have multiple documents. In the original we have the 967 00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:22.239 handwritten notes, we have the type report, and then we. 968 00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:22.559 Have a. 969 00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:28.760 Memo from Chief Curry. It says the same thing about 970 00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:31.199 them being stopped, this man being stopped between the third 971 00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:35.119 and fourth floor, And in Curry's memo it clearly says 972 00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:37.400 that this man was Oswald. Okay, but this man was 973 00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:40.599 wearing a light brown jacket, just like the man who's 974 00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:42.599 captured in the Robert Hughes film in the railroad yards 975 00:48:42.639 --> 00:48:45.679 at twelve thirty three PM. Okay, so that man I 976 00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:48.840 concluded was William Seymour based on a huge series of events, 977 00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:55.800 most importantly jump to the Nash Rambler. So you have 978 00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:59.280 William Seymour impersonating Oswald working in that building. Everyone knew 979 00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:03.760 him was Oswald. He's stopped on the stairwell between his 980 00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:07.599 third and fourth floor, probably twelve thirty eight is probably 981 00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:10.320 my guess. They talked to him for a minute. Roy 982 00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:12.960 truly clears him as an employee, says, this guy works 983 00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:15.960 for me. Okay, it's clearly not Oswald. This guy's wearing 984 00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:18.880 a light brown jacket, all right. So they then let 985 00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:21.559 him leave whatever he's doing, and this is about twelve 986 00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:24.000 thirty nine. They keep going up to the top. He 987 00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:27.039 continues down the stairs, right because after he's seen in 988 00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:29.119 the Robert Hughes film, he re enters the book depository 989 00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:31.119 and makes his way up to the sixth floor, which 990 00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:33.199 is the only thing that makes sense if he's being 991 00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:37.920 stopped inside the building. And so here's another thing, is 992 00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:41.000 this isn't even better. This just dawned on me. If 993 00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:44.159 it's twelve thirty three and William Seymour is in the 994 00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:47.079 railroad yards, that precludes him from being stopped on the 995 00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:50.800 third or fourth floor ninety seconds after the assassination. Okay, 996 00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:53.360 it wasn't both, It's one or the other. So he 997 00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:55.880 leaves the building. He rushes out the back door, seen 998 00:49:55.880 --> 00:49:59.400 by Richard Randolph car two men, including a Latin. Okay, 999 00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:01.880 getting a gree Nash Rambler pull around records and commerce 1000 00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:03.840 and all that stuff. They'll pick up Lauren Hall a 1001 00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:06.480 couple of minutes later, but that Nash Rambler will circle 1002 00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:09.719 back to the building at twelve forty pm. Perfect timing 1003 00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:11.760 for a man who was stopped at twelve thirty eight, 1004 00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:14.480 released at twelve thirty nine, continues his steps down the 1005 00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:17.719 building and eggsit's at twelve forty perfectly timed. Like I 1006 00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:20.000 couldn't I couldn't have done it better myself, you know 1007 00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:22.480 what I mean. It's like, this is who Roger Craig sees. 1008 00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:24.920 This is who Roger Craig sees as he comes down, 1009 00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:27.719 And what is Roger craigsay? He says he thought he 1010 00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:30.039 was wearing a light brown shirt because it was just 1011 00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:31.599 a light jacket. But it wasn't a shirt, it was 1012 00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:35.199 a jacket. And this is the man, this is clearly 1013 00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:37.639 the man who was captured in the Robert Hughes film. 1014 00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:41.760 I mean to me, it's I can see the entire 1015 00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:45.239 chronological series of events from the time the shots are fired, 1016 00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:48.079 how they went down the elevator. William Seymour was already 1017 00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:49.960 on the first floor, he was guarding the elevator. Then 1018 00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:52.119 they all leaved out the back of the building, two 1019 00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:54.280 of them leaving the station wagon. William Seymore walks into 1020 00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:56.880 Daily Plaza or into the railroad yards he's captured in 1021 00:50:56.880 --> 00:50:59.199 the Robert Hughes film. He then somehow makes his way 1022 00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:01.079 back into the building. Now, why would he go back 1023 00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:04.360 in the building. Why what's the purpose of going back 1024 00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:07.719 in the building? How could he possibly feel comfortable walking 1025 00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:10.840 into that building because he worked there, He's supposed to 1026 00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:12.760 be there. That's why this is how I came to 1027 00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:15.199 the conclusion Oswald never worked there, Because if we had 1028 00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:17.360 William Cymore in the railroad yards a twelve thirty three, 1029 00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:19.719 and then he stopped five minutes later on the on 1030 00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:23.800 the stairwell coming down the stairs. Then the only thing 1031 00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:26.559 that makes sense is he felt super comfortable being there. 1032 00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:28.800 He wasn't worried about being caught being in a building 1033 00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:31.360 he wasn't supposed to be in. He stopped, he's let 1034 00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:34.440 go out. Twelve forty he leaves the building seen by 1035 00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:38.599 Roger Craig, and he gets into the nash Rambler. Roger 1036 00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:41.760 Craig was shown a picture of the driver of the 1037 00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:43.920 nash Rambler and he said, yes, that's the man I 1038 00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:46.840 saw driving the nash Rambler. That picture was of a 1039 00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:49.119 man detained in daily Plaza and let go because he 1040 00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:52.199 didn't speak English. I have that picture. It's a picture 1041 00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:56.280 of Lawrence Howard. Okay, So the relationship once again Oswald 1042 00:51:56.320 --> 00:51:58.960 and a large husky potmark faced Latin guy in a 1043 00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:01.719 different context, the driver of the nash Rambler and Oswald 1044 00:52:01.760 --> 00:52:05.440 coming down from the book depository. This is all like, 1045 00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:08.079 this is almost different pieces of the same puzzle. Like 1046 00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:11.000 to me, this is very clear and straightforward, even though 1047 00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:15.880 it's not clear and straightforward. Do you understand and so 1048 00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:17.480 and so to me? And then I can trace the 1049 00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:20.360 activities once they leave there. Once the green natural member 1050 00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:22.280 leaves there and goes to Oak Cliff, I can tell 1051 00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:24.119 you everything that happened from there, and then I can 1052 00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:26.159 tell you from there they get over to the aqueduct 1053 00:52:26.159 --> 00:52:27.840 where they leave in Robert Vincent's plane. 1054 00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:28.199 Right. 1055 00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:31.599 So the entire series of events from twelve thirty until 1056 00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:35.440 they leave Dallas, I pretty much have most of it 1057 00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:39.679 in a continuous chronology. So where does Oswald fit into that? 1058 00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:43.599 Where I got nowhere, I got them nowhere. And then 1059 00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:46.039 then you go into the statements of Robert McNeil again, 1060 00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:49.079 who allegedly till Oswald told him to go use a phone, right, 1061 00:52:49.239 --> 00:52:51.679 but he told that same story about Pierce Solomon. What 1062 00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:54.199 you got? So you got two guys. So Pierce Solomon 1063 00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:57.679 and Robert mcgeil give the identical story. But they're not together. Right. 1064 00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:02.000 They're walking into the building exactly twelve third and they 1065 00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:04.280 come across Oswald and Oswald they asked to use a phone. 1066 00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:06.840 So you're telling me that Oswald got stopped by two 1067 00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:09.639 reporters who asked the same exact question within like must 1068 00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:12.039 have been seconds of each other. Gave me a break. 1069 00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:14.719 Those stories are bunk. Nobody told them nothing. Those guys 1070 00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:17.880 work for the goddamn CIA. They're clearly mockingbird because none 1071 00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:19.559 of that story could have happened. And then when you 1072 00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:22.400 get into the bus story with Cecil McWaters and you 1073 00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:25.920 get into William Whaley's cab story, the whole thing just 1074 00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:28.000 followed apart. Oswald never got on that bus, he never 1075 00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:29.679 fled in the bus, and he didn't leave in the 1076 00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:32.119 Green Nash Rambler. So how did Oswald leave the depository? 1077 00:53:33.239 --> 00:53:35.000 He didn't because he wasn't there in the first place. 1078 00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:35.320 Okay. 1079 00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:40.000 Then we have the film of Wade talking to the 1080 00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:42.880 press where he says Oswald denied he was ever in 1081 00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:45.760 the building that day. He says, Oswald had worked here, 1082 00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:49.079 just not that day. That's a quote, and I believe 1083 00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:51.039 that one hundred percent. But he didn't work there. It 1084 00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:53.679 was a front job. They're all front jobs. It just 1085 00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:55.599 you know, is it just coincidence that every single job 1086 00:53:55.639 --> 00:53:57.719 Oswald had was connected to the CIA when he got 1087 00:53:57.719 --> 00:54:02.199 back from the Russia. Everyone Ryley Coffee, run by the CIA, 1088 00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:05.159 basically used to give spooks fronts. Like how many guys 1089 00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:07.079 from Riley Coffee went to go work for NASA another 1090 00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:09.719 spook front. Give me a break. None of his jobs 1091 00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:12.599 were real jobs, None of them. They were fake jobs. 1092 00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:14.320 Whether he even had to show up at all. I 1093 00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:17.519 don't even know Jacker Charles stoveall who developed photos from 1094 00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:20.360 the YouTube plane, and they're gonna put a communist defector. 1095 00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:23.000 Give me a break with how stupid you gotta believe 1096 00:54:23.079 --> 00:54:25.599 me to believe any of this? Really, like how some 1097 00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:29.599 common sense people. Once you dig into all these micro details, 1098 00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:31.639 the entire story falls apart and you realize we've been 1099 00:54:31.639 --> 00:54:33.639 sold a bag of goods by people were supposed to trust, 1100 00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:38.199 even Kennedy researchers, even Kennedy, none of them have ever 1101 00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:40.599 looked into the possibility. It wasn't Oswalt the books pository, 1102 00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:41.039 not one. 1103 00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:42.159 No. 1104 00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:46.360 I'll never forget the moment I realized it, or I 1105 00:54:46.519 --> 00:54:49.440 was going through there's a packet of sixty pages. It's 1106 00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:51.480 statements for people who worked in the book depository for 1107 00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:53.679 the different companies. And as I'm going through it, I 1108 00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:55.559 found like a half a dozen people who said they'd 1109 00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:57.679 never seen Oswald there at all, or never saw him 1110 00:54:57.719 --> 00:54:59.400 that day, or some people said they never saw him 1111 00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:01.719 until he was on television. And that's when it hit 1112 00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:03.760 me like a ton of bricks. I'm like, oh my god, 1113 00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:07.480 he was never at the sports room rifle range, he 1114 00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:09.599 was never in Mexico City. He was never any of 1115 00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:11.079 these places, but yet we're supposed to believe he was 1116 00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:15.039 at the Book Depository. And now I'm sorry. That's when 1117 00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:16.920 I that's when I lost it and I realized the 1118 00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:19.320 whole story of him being there was stupid. It's like ridiculous, 1119 00:55:19.360 --> 00:55:21.519 Like you're gonna have an assassination and you're in a 1120 00:55:21.559 --> 00:55:23.559 funnel assassins into a building, but you're gonna let your 1121 00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:25.840 Patsy who's not in on just like wander around wherever 1122 00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:28.920 he wants. Give me a break, give me a break. 1123 00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:32.440 That's that's an operational security risk. You'd never do that 1124 00:55:33.639 --> 00:55:35.360 same to me. The same thing applies at five point 1125 00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:37.840 forty four Camp Street and all the places. At Oswald 1126 00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:40.239 they say Oswald was when he never was right. So 1127 00:55:41.079 --> 00:55:43.480 Oswald's the ghost. I think they kept him at a distance, 1128 00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:47.920 doing nothing that frustrated him, and that was his life story. 1129 00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:50.440 I don't think he interacted with any of these people 1130 00:55:50.440 --> 00:55:53.440 other than Kerry Thornley, and probably he interacted with Clayshaw 1131 00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:53.880 at some point. 1132 00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:56.199 All right, this is at quad B four seven. One 1133 00:55:56.679 --> 00:56:01.159 read somewhere of a JFK assassination whistleblower mentioning that Calogero 1134 00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:04.599 Leo lips Mukery, Cleveland Mafia under boss in nineteen seventy 1135 00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:07.519 six drove to Dallas with weapons. Not sure where I 1136 00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:10.199 read it or who made the claim, but it could 1137 00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:13.880 have been former operative Chauncey Holdtn story. Yeah and Alts 1138 00:56:13.880 --> 00:56:15.599 are connections. Not even sure if it's true. 1139 00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:17.679 All right, So let's talk about Chauncey Halt, because Chouncey 1140 00:56:17.719 --> 00:56:21.159 Holt said. Okay, I would one hundred percent believe everything 1141 00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:25.559 Chauncey Holt said with one exception, and this drives me nuts. 1142 00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:27.840 I can't believe. I wish he didn't say this because 1143 00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:29.199 I don't believe it, but I believe. 1144 00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:29.599 So. 1145 00:56:29.719 --> 00:56:31.280 He claimed to be the one of the tramps, which 1146 00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:33.239 is a lie because he was like thirty years younger 1147 00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:36.360 than the tramp. Leo Massei was that old tramp. Okay 1148 00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:39.559 Leo Massari under one of the second or third level 1149 00:56:39.639 --> 00:56:43.519 under bosses Cleveland Mafia under Licavoli, who was under John Scalish. 1150 00:56:44.119 --> 00:56:47.519 John Scalish under the control of Chicago. So Cleveland to Chicago, mam. 1151 00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:49.320 That's how kind of how they worked. They had, like 1152 00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:53.320 the satellites. Chauncey Halt, who I one hundred percent no 1153 00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:55.239 was in Daily Plaza. He definitely was there because he 1154 00:56:55.280 --> 00:56:57.519 made a statement in that final interview. I'd go back 1155 00:56:57.559 --> 00:56:59.840 and watch that final interview with him. It's fascinating once 1156 00:56:59.880 --> 00:57:02.119 you get rid of his lines about being the third tramp. 1157 00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:04.000 Like the rest of us, off he said makes sense. 1158 00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:06.840 It was with one exception. He says he drove in 1159 00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:09.639 from who was at Pete Lickavoli's ranch in Phoenix. I 1160 00:57:09.719 --> 00:57:12.280 think it was. I think he drove him. He drove 1161 00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:16.719 in with Leo Masseri and he says he drove in 1162 00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:19.000 with Nicoletti. And I have a big problem with that 1163 00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:23.960 because Nicoletti. A week before the assassination, Nicoletti killed a 1164 00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:28.559 guy named Foreman in Chicago, and he was on the lamb. 1165 00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:31.239 The FBI was actively looking for Nicoletti. Why in the 1166 00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:33.320 hell would you bring him to the biggest assassination in 1167 00:57:33.400 --> 00:57:36.360 world history. If he showed up in a picture in 1168 00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:38.559 Daily Plaza, though, it would be like the whole thing 1169 00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:42.119 would be over, don't I don't see how the hell 1170 00:57:42.159 --> 00:57:45.039 they could possibly have let Nicoletty come to the assassination. 1171 00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:47.920 But johncey Holt said he was there. But the reason 1172 00:57:47.960 --> 00:57:50.679 I believe Chauncey Holt was in Daily Plaza is because 1173 00:57:50.719 --> 00:57:54.880 he's like. One of the statements he makes was the 1174 00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:57.159 police were there and they were arresting all kinds of people. 1175 00:57:57.639 --> 00:58:00.719 He said, they arrested the guy messed up all in 1176 00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:04.360 black like a ninja. And sure enough I got a 1177 00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:06.800 picture of Daily Plaza of someone dressed up all in 1178 00:58:06.880 --> 00:58:10.840 black like a ninja and their faces blurred out, and 1179 00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:12.239 that told me everything I need to know, because no 1180 00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:14.440 one ever talks about these black people dressed in black 1181 00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:17.280 looking like a ninja. He's the only one. And he 1182 00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:19.599 said that after I've already seen the picture. So when 1183 00:58:19.639 --> 00:58:21.639 he said that, I almost fell out of my chair. 1184 00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:25.159 I was like, holy shit, he was really there. And 1185 00:58:25.239 --> 00:58:27.400 he said he brought Leomissari and that was perfect sense 1186 00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:29.679 to me also because I already named Leo Massari as 1187 00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:33.440 the old tramp, Danny Green being the tall tramp, Vincent 1188 00:58:33.480 --> 00:58:36.320 Caldier own Junior being the short tramp. And so once 1189 00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:39.719 I saw, once I confirmed that Chauncey Holt was there, 1190 00:58:39.760 --> 00:58:43.360 based on his statements, I was like, wow, it all again, 1191 00:58:43.480 --> 00:58:45.519 more pieces of the same puzzle all falling into place. 1192 00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:48.400 But the statement about Nicoletti, I can't see why they 1193 00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:50.840 would risk that operationally. I don't get that at all. 1194 00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:54.760 Was he telling the truth? I don't know. It seems 1195 00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:56.920 more like Danny Green was with him than Nicoletti, because 1196 00:58:56.960 --> 00:58:58.960 Danny Green had to get there somehow, and Danny Green, 1197 00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:02.079 I'm assuming, would be what leoh because so at the time, 1198 00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:03.960 Danny Green is the head of the long shoreman union 1199 00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:07.920 in Cleveland. Most people don't realize, but before Danny Green 1200 00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:10.000 had his falling out with the Cleveland Mob, he was 1201 00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:12.000 working with the Cleveland Mob. You don't get to be 1202 00:59:12.039 --> 00:59:14.679 the head of the long shoreman out of nowhere. Literally, 1203 00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:17.440 he was a doc worker and then he became the 1204 00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:19.400 head of the long shoreman union. You don't get to 1205 00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:21.440 do that unless the mob is helping you, right. And 1206 00:59:21.559 --> 00:59:24.840 so then I find the picture that I find pictures 1207 00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:27.960 from like late sixty two or early sixty three, right 1208 00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:29.760 around the time of the assassination, Danny Green in a 1209 00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:32.880 suit and he's got this very distinct tight curl in 1210 00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:34.960 the front of his head. It's super distinct. You can't 1211 00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:37.280 miss it. And then when you look at the tramp pictures, 1212 00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:39.440 there you go, there's that. As they're getting marched out 1213 00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:42.000 of daily plaza. There's Danny Green with his tight curl 1214 00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:43.280 right in the front of his head, and that made 1215 00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:46.199 perfect sense. The relationship to Leo Massari, his relationship with 1216 00:59:46.239 --> 00:59:49.000 the Cleveland mob at the time, the statements by Chauncey Holt, 1217 00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:51.440 that all added to my conclusions that he was a 1218 00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:55.880 tall tramp. So yeah, Chauncey Holt's statements make a lot 1219 00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:58.000 of sense to me, except for the Nicoletti thing. And 1220 00:59:58.039 --> 00:59:59.840 he definitely was not the old tramp he bid him. 1221 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:02.000 He pretty much almost confesses that it wasn't him that 1222 01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:04.239 he's saying because he doesn't think that I Howard Hunt, 1223 01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:06.320 you know, should have had that kind of stuff put 1224 01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:08.159 on him. But he knew that wasn't e Howard Hunt. 1225 01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:10.119 He knew that wasn't the Howard Hunt. So why he 1226 01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:11.760 would even say that in the first place is kind 1227 01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:12.360 of ridiculous. 1228 01:00:12.760 --> 01:00:19.719 So all right, what is Perham and where did Jack 1229 01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:21.840 Ruby go the evening of the assassination? 1230 01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:26.119 Okay, So Perham is a big, long story. It's a 1231 01:00:26.360 --> 01:00:28.760 Jewish holiday, It's the Jewish Halloween. It comes from the 1232 01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:30.639 Book of Esther. It's a story of the salvation of 1233 01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:34.960 the Jewish people by murdering seventy thousand non Jews and 1234 01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:39.559 the Persian Nukman official Empire official Haman. Right, that's what 1235 01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:39.880 it is. 1236 01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:40.239 Like. 1237 01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:43.199 All these Jewish salvation stories involve them murdering a lot 1238 01:00:43.239 --> 01:00:46.039 of people, which is screwed up, but that's where it 1239 01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:50.119 comes from. And so I'm convinced, based on the photographic 1240 01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:53.239 record alone, there were rabbis in daily plaza wearing Perham 1241 01:00:53.320 --> 01:00:57.840 ceremonial robes. Why because in order to commit an assassination 1242 01:00:57.960 --> 01:01:00.400 and not piss off God, you have to main the 1243 01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:04.559 religiosity of it, right, So Purham is in like February March, 1244 01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:11.880 this is November. Therefore it's symbolic, and it's a symbolic sacrifice. 1245 01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:14.599 And the reason they do it in that manner is 1246 01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:16.719 because they're allowed to be sacrifice. I think I'm Passover 1247 01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:20.360 and Purim. Those are the two times that the Jewish 1248 01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:23.880 religion allows sacrifice. But they're not supposed to do sacrifice 1249 01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:26.519 post seventy a d. Because the Temple was destroyed and 1250 01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:28.519 they're not and they didn't have anywhere to do them, right, 1251 01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:34.920 So therefore I'm convinced that they do these symbolic ceremonies 1252 01:01:35.159 --> 01:01:38.280 during assassinations to maintain the religiosity of them to not 1253 01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:41.880 piss off God. But the whole concept of going around 1254 01:01:41.960 --> 01:01:44.960 God to not piss them off is like, like He's 1255 01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:47.000 not going to know, right, give me a break. So 1256 01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:52.480 that's the puream story. And that night a lot of 1257 01:01:52.519 --> 01:01:56.159 people visited Jack Ruby's synagogue. Now I need to do 1258 01:01:56.199 --> 01:01:59.320 a deeper dive into this and specifically his rabbi, but 1259 01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:01.119 his rabbis to be connected to a lot of people. 1260 01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:07.119 His rabbit seems pretty important, and so yeah, I believe 1261 01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:09.079 that they kind of had a party that night at 1262 01:02:09.079 --> 01:02:12.639 the synagogue. Jack Ruby goes by there and a bunch 1263 01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:14.800 of other people stop by there, so something was going 1264 01:02:14.840 --> 01:02:15.119 on there. 1265 01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:19.480 It's very disturbing. You make an argument about the number 1266 01:02:19.519 --> 01:02:24.599 of people who are lining Houston as the motor Kid approaches, 1267 01:02:24.679 --> 01:02:29.960 and they're in various costumes and it's it's very dark. 1268 01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:32.920 So it's here's the thing I get, like the vast 1269 01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:35.239 majority of people, I say, like seventy percent of people 1270 01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:38.280 who I show those photos too, of the unedited Robert 1271 01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:41.239 Hughes film see what I'm talking about right away. They're like, 1272 01:02:41.320 --> 01:02:43.119 oh my God. And then I show them the comparison 1273 01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:46.039 to the actual robes in a real ceremonial of modern ceremony, 1274 01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:47.880 and they're like, they can't they don't know what to say. 1275 01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:52.039 The other thirty percent completely deny there's anything there. Like, 1276 01:02:52.159 --> 01:02:54.280 I get some people who I'll play like, I'll show 1277 01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:56.000 the two pictures of the two Osball who are clearly 1278 01:02:56.079 --> 01:02:58.119 different people, and people like that, the same guy. I'm like, 1279 01:02:58.320 --> 01:02:59.760 pull yourt that out of your ass for a second. 1280 01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:02.360 Just look at it with an unbiased mind, Jesus. And 1281 01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:05.280 we've got so many people entered into this field with 1282 01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:07.440 so many preconceived notions. They're not ready to have their 1283 01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:10.000 world shattered yet, you know. But trust me when I 1284 01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:14.039 tell you, this Jewish occultic assassination stuff has been going 1285 01:03:14.079 --> 01:03:17.400 on for one hundred years at least minimum, now here 1286 01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:17.920 in America. 1287 01:03:18.920 --> 01:03:25.840 Okay, so those who populated the witnesses to the sacrificial 1288 01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:32.159 murder Orthodox Hasidic I don't know. 1289 01:03:32.559 --> 01:03:33.719 This isn't this. I don't know. 1290 01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:34.719 I just don't know. 1291 01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:37.000 You see, I think it consider these people occultists, like 1292 01:03:37.159 --> 01:03:42.840 these people are beyond like older New Testament. And this 1293 01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:45.760 seems to be a faction of Zionism that clings to 1294 01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:47.840 the writings of the Talmut like they're finding some sort 1295 01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:51.559 of ancient hidden secrets in it. And for some reason, 1296 01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:54.480 all these Zionists who are deep into this occult stuff, 1297 01:03:55.079 --> 01:04:00.400 they very heavily look to the Egyptian like the Book 1298 01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:05.599 of the Dead and the Egyptian lore for answers deeper 1299 01:04:05.719 --> 01:04:08.800 than the Talmud, which I don't seem to get. They 1300 01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:12.119 seem to look for some sort of ancient historical truth 1301 01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:15.920 and it's it goes way back before Juda asmm even, 1302 01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:19.679 and so I don't even know what these people's deal is, 1303 01:04:20.239 --> 01:04:22.039 but seemingly they believe in God. And from what I 1304 01:04:22.039 --> 01:04:24.920 can tell, the Freemasons and all these like the God 1305 01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:27.440 they believe in is Lucifer, which is weird to me. 1306 01:04:27.920 --> 01:04:30.239 They don't believe that God created the earth and the heavens. 1307 01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:33.280 They believe God kicked out Lucifer and as he was falling, 1308 01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:35.400 he created the heavens and in the earth, and he's 1309 01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:37.639 actually the noble good God and the real God is 1310 01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:40.840 the evil guy. That's like what modern Luciferians believe. So 1311 01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:44.039 they don't go around like worshiping, worshiping the devil and stuff. 1312 01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:45.840 Right to them, the devil's not the devil. The devil 1313 01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:48.599 is God in their mind. To me, this is all fiction. 1314 01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:50.360 I don't believe any of this stuff. This is all 1315 01:04:50.840 --> 01:04:53.519 what primitive people write to themselves to help justify their 1316 01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:55.880 their suffering in the universe because they didn't know what 1317 01:04:55.960 --> 01:04:57.599 the fuck was going on two thousand years ago, right, 1318 01:04:57.880 --> 01:04:59.880 Like nobody knew a damn thing two thousand years ago. 1319 01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:02.960 That's when all this stuff's sprang up from ancient religions, 1320 01:05:03.079 --> 01:05:04.599 you know what I mean. And over time people have 1321 01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:08.039 tried to, like, you know, make sense of this ancient stuff, 1322 01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:09.719 and it doesn't. It just doesn't make any sense. We 1323 01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:11.159 don't have a clue why we're here, or none of 1324 01:05:11.239 --> 01:05:13.199 us do. None of us has a goddamn any idea 1325 01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:15.119 what life is about or why the universe is here. 1326 01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:17.360 We're all just you know, we're throwing darts in the dark. 1327 01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:21.039 And so for them to be willing to murder people, 1328 01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:23.079 and like, like, if you don't think that there are 1329 01:05:23.119 --> 01:05:25.920 culty beliefs have anything to do with there, how they 1330 01:05:25.960 --> 01:05:28.199 can just wipe out people in Gaza, Like, I don't 1331 01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:31.199 know what to tell you that it's intimately connected between 1332 01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:33.239 them and God's chosen people and all this stuff like 1333 01:05:33.639 --> 01:05:35.280 part of the and I have no doubt part of 1334 01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:38.079 what's going on in Palestine is all ritual sacrifice stuff. 1335 01:05:38.280 --> 01:05:40.840 Like to me, that fits right with the Zionus ocult stuff, 1336 01:05:41.239 --> 01:05:43.159 which is it is dark, it's scary. This is the 1337 01:05:43.239 --> 01:05:46.599 world we live in. I never pictured this growing up, 1338 01:05:46.599 --> 01:05:48.159 you know, I grew up. We have a bigger real 1339 01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:49.760 of in a normal world and we have like you know, 1340 01:05:50.079 --> 01:05:52.960 countries and presidents and everything is above board, and nothing 1341 01:05:53.079 --> 01:05:54.639 is above board. Nothing. 1342 01:05:55.719 --> 01:05:59.400 It's hard. It's hard not to forget, you know, with 1343 01:05:59.679 --> 01:06:01.880 prison and Kennedy being Catholic. 1344 01:06:02.199 --> 01:06:04.320 You know, I don't know if I genuinely don't know 1345 01:06:04.360 --> 01:06:06.079 if that really had anything to do with anything. I 1346 01:06:06.119 --> 01:06:07.920 can't really see it. Maybe I just don't understand enough 1347 01:06:07.920 --> 01:06:11.159 about that and why they would have prejudice against him. 1348 01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:14.079 But I just don't I don't really understand that aspect 1349 01:06:14.119 --> 01:06:16.320 well enough. But do you think there was a Catholic 1350 01:06:17.320 --> 01:06:18.440 Do you think that was part of the reason he 1351 01:06:18.519 --> 01:06:18.880 was killed? 1352 01:06:19.119 --> 01:06:19.440 Maybe not. 1353 01:06:21.800 --> 01:06:22.840 I mean, it might have been might have been a 1354 01:06:22.880 --> 01:06:24.840 trust factor for some. I mean, if nothing else, it 1355 01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:26.679 might have been a lingering factor in the background. 1356 01:06:26.920 --> 01:06:30.360 It's it's it's hard to say because the Battle of 1357 01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:34.599 letters Man that's really all you need to That's really 1358 01:06:35.239 --> 01:06:38.239 what's that takes the cake in terms of motivation. 1359 01:06:38.719 --> 01:06:40.960 I think it does completely. Yeah, but see, I think 1360 01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:43.639 it goes deeper than Demona. I think Demona was more 1361 01:06:43.719 --> 01:06:46.880 like the straw that broke the camel's back because Kennedy, 1362 01:06:48.280 --> 01:06:51.039 from what I can tell, he was completely looking to 1363 01:06:51.119 --> 01:06:54.199 cut all eight to Israel period, not just over Demona, 1364 01:06:54.239 --> 01:06:55.880 but in general. He didn't want to give them ten cents. 1365 01:06:56.760 --> 01:06:58.639 And that's the reason why I'm convincing he was killed 1366 01:06:58.719 --> 01:06:59.920 ultimately by the guys at the top. 1367 01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:00.880 Man, it's a shame. 1368 01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:03.639 You have to realize Israel can servived without us, like 1369 01:07:03.719 --> 01:07:06.320 at all, at all. They're not even a real country, 1370 01:07:06.400 --> 01:07:07.480 They're like a proxy country. 1371 01:07:07.639 --> 01:07:10.480 You know how we've said Fairy had that kind of 1372 01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:17.840 pathetic last few years, you know, yeah, RFK, RFK kind 1373 01:07:17.880 --> 01:07:21.480 of ghosted through those last few years of his own life. 1374 01:07:21.519 --> 01:07:24.719 I mean, he had that campaign at the end, But 1375 01:07:25.159 --> 01:07:28.800 I wonder how much he was he understood what was 1376 01:07:28.840 --> 01:07:30.559 going on, if. 1377 01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:32.920 Any what do you think you know, he was anaced 1378 01:07:33.119 --> 01:07:39.320 you know, I don't know if he understand I don't 1379 01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:41.000 really know much about him and what he knew and 1380 01:07:41.079 --> 01:07:44.400 didn't know in regards to the Israelis. I don't know 1381 01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:46.559 how much him and his brother talked about it. His 1382 01:07:46.639 --> 01:07:49.400 brother had to have talked to him about it. When 1383 01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:51.760 you go back through the documents, Kennedy was getting briefings 1384 01:07:52.320 --> 01:07:55.519 the documents themselves from before Kennedy, starting in like nineteen sixty. 1385 01:07:57.119 --> 01:08:00.119 There's Kennedy was getting like weekly briefings on what was 1386 01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:02.480 going on with Israel. There's stacks and stacks of documents. 1387 01:08:02.599 --> 01:08:07.480 There's one document that lists all of the different communications, meetings, 1388 01:08:07.880 --> 01:08:09.519 everything you're having to do with Israel. And when you 1389 01:08:09.559 --> 01:08:11.559 look at it, it's like NonStop for like two years 1390 01:08:12.119 --> 01:08:14.719 for his whole presidency. It's like, oh my god, this 1391 01:08:14.960 --> 01:08:17.039 was a major concern of his. It wasn't just something 1392 01:08:17.079 --> 01:08:19.760 in the background. He was constantly being briefed and updated 1393 01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:22.279 on what was going on in the nuclear situation, communications 1394 01:08:22.319 --> 01:08:24.199 back and forth. I mean, it wasn't like overnight he 1395 01:08:24.279 --> 01:08:26.279 just said, oh, I'm want to cut footing in Israel. No, 1396 01:08:26.600 --> 01:08:29.239 they were deceptive from day one. All they ever do 1397 01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:31.520 is lie is a direct quote from John Kennedy talking 1398 01:08:31.560 --> 01:08:35.319 about the Israelis. So nothing has changed to spend sixty 1399 01:08:35.359 --> 01:08:37.159 years and nothing's changed, and once they killed Kennedy, I 1400 01:08:37.199 --> 01:08:42.039 feel like they were emboldened because what you got five 1401 01:08:42.119 --> 01:08:44.560 years later, Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy in the 1402 01:08:44.600 --> 01:08:46.800 same year. They pulled off two assassinations in the same year. 1403 01:08:47.359 --> 01:08:50.880 That takes some balls. They knew that they controlled the 1404 01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:52.880 world at that point. Once they kill Kennedy, they took 1405 01:08:52.880 --> 01:08:57.079 over our army. Lynnon Johnson, Jewish puppet, did the liberty 1406 01:08:57.239 --> 01:08:59.680 handed them a kisa the kingdom, the whole nine yards right, 1407 01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:03.279 Our country ended November twenty second, sixty three. We're living 1408 01:09:03.319 --> 01:09:06.359 in a shell. We're living in one big, large shell corporation. 1409 01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:10.800 You know. Johnson, uh did he was It wasn't necessarily 1410 01:09:11.199 --> 01:09:15.159 a hagona gun runner, but he aided in the resettlement. 1411 01:09:15.479 --> 01:09:20.119 Was it of of European Jews to Texas here? Right? 1412 01:09:20.319 --> 01:09:23.840 Yes, yes, I'm only bagay, I'm only baby, even familiar 1413 01:09:23.880 --> 01:09:26.039 with that, but yeah, he was so his mother was Jewish, 1414 01:09:26.079 --> 01:09:28.039 he was raised Jewish, and then he gets into politics. 1415 01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:30.079 He's not Jewish anymore. This is how it goes. It's 1416 01:09:30.079 --> 01:09:33.560 a very common theme. But he maintained all those ties, 1417 01:09:34.279 --> 01:09:36.399 and that was like the Jewish cause was his cause, 1418 01:09:37.079 --> 01:09:39.199 you know, just like Roosevelt, just like. 1419 01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:40.880 Just like Lincoln, you know. 1420 01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:44.159 Uh, it's the undercover presidents that we have to worry about. 1421 01:09:44.840 --> 01:09:48.640 When you were reading about the uh stealing of the 1422 01:09:48.760 --> 01:09:54.119 looting of war assets, post war war assets that American surplus, 1423 01:09:54.439 --> 01:09:58.760 American made, American helth what did you know about that 1424 01:09:58.920 --> 01:10:02.199 before you When did you learn about that that that 1425 01:10:02.399 --> 01:10:04.920 was an actual thing going on right after the war, 1426 01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:07.039 you know, in the years after the war. God, I 1427 01:10:07.079 --> 01:10:07.920 don't even remember. 1428 01:10:09.239 --> 01:10:10.920 Definitely not I learned. 1429 01:10:11.680 --> 01:10:11.720 No. 1430 01:10:12.119 --> 01:10:14.319 I think I might have learned about it once I 1431 01:10:14.479 --> 01:10:17.199 realized once the David Ferry stuff came on board, and 1432 01:10:17.319 --> 01:10:20.199 I think it might have Gary Ween in his book. 1433 01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:22.399 I still need to get this book. They just reprinted 1434 01:10:22.439 --> 01:10:25.479 it in a Fish in the Courthouse. It talks about 1435 01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:29.439 the Oxnard, California burglary, the Armory out there break in. 1436 01:10:29.920 --> 01:10:31.880 I don't even know what year that was, but all 1437 01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:34.039 the armory break ins were all connected to Sombourne. 1438 01:10:34.600 --> 01:10:37.479 And then yeah, but let me jump in though, because 1439 01:10:37.520 --> 01:10:41.800 that's so we're like Huma for instance. 1440 01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:44.039 Right actually went there, Me and my roommate were when 1441 01:10:44.119 --> 01:10:46.000 we were I lived in Louisiana for about four months 1442 01:10:46.039 --> 01:10:48.319 in twenty twenty two, and we actually went there and 1443 01:10:48.359 --> 01:10:50.119 I got pictures of it, so it's not much to 1444 01:10:50.159 --> 01:10:50.479 look at. 1445 01:10:51.359 --> 01:10:55.119 Did you live there solely because of what you were researching? 1446 01:10:55.600 --> 01:10:57.800 No, I was just in between places to live and 1447 01:10:58.840 --> 01:11:00.840 my business partner, so hey, why don't you just come 1448 01:11:00.880 --> 01:11:03.000 to Louisiana. So I went there for about four months 1449 01:11:03.279 --> 01:11:05.319 and then we came back to Colorado after that. 1450 01:11:06.760 --> 01:11:10.760 But Huma And is like sixty one. Na Borne is 1451 01:11:10.840 --> 01:11:15.199 like forty five. And I think I can say you 1452 01:11:15.279 --> 01:11:18.000 make it clear at some point the Sauna Borne group 1453 01:11:18.039 --> 01:11:21.239 in the gun running doesn't stop at forty right, right? 1454 01:11:21.439 --> 01:11:25.680 Correct? Correct? Because we know from Gordon Novell. Everyone talks 1455 01:11:25.680 --> 01:11:27.800 about those bonker burglaries as it being like to fund 1456 01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:29.840 the attic Astro Cubans and send them weapons and stuff. 1457 01:11:29.840 --> 01:11:33.199 But that's not what happened. Gordon Novell told if the 1458 01:11:33.319 --> 01:11:36.720 FBI or Jim Garrison directly that those weapons they made 1459 01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:40.039 a pit stop at Banister's office at Camp Street and 1460 01:11:40.199 --> 01:11:43.039 then they were all shipped to a company called inter 1461 01:11:43.199 --> 01:11:47.760 Armco out of Virginia and inter arm COO another CIA 1462 01:11:47.800 --> 01:11:53.199 gun running company managed by Samuel Samuel Cummings who ran 1463 01:11:53.239 --> 01:11:56.600 Adams Consolidated Adams consolidated, imported the Carcano rifle right, So 1464 01:11:57.000 --> 01:11:59.880 goddamn the CIA's fingerprints on every single aspect of this assassination. 1465 01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:03.600 But once I realized that those weapons made it their 1466 01:12:03.640 --> 01:12:06.079 way to Israel and Sonborne was about Israel, it blew 1467 01:12:06.159 --> 01:12:08.159 me away that this damn operation went on for like 1468 01:12:08.199 --> 01:12:11.600 twenty years. I mean, the fact the most different name, 1469 01:12:11.600 --> 01:12:13.079 even if they called it something else, you know, it 1470 01:12:13.199 --> 01:12:15.359 was still it was still going to the same people, 1471 01:12:16.279 --> 01:12:19.439 the same weapons going to the same people twenty years later. 1472 01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:22.239 And it was okay. I mean, when was your reaction? 1473 01:12:22.479 --> 01:12:25.520 Was it okay that that there was a contingent of 1474 01:12:25.720 --> 01:12:31.000 loyal Americans who were supporting their their heritage. 1475 01:12:31.479 --> 01:12:32.880 See, but I look when I look at the guys 1476 01:12:32.920 --> 01:12:34.880 on the ground who broke in the Homa. You got 1477 01:12:34.920 --> 01:12:38.640 Gordon Develle, David Ferry, Serge Arcachilate, and Martin's Lewis Rebel. 1478 01:12:39.319 --> 01:12:41.600 And I don't think any of those guys gave it 1479 01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:43.560 damn about Israel. I bet those guys didn't even know 1480 01:12:43.600 --> 01:12:45.439 where the weapons were going. I bet you they thought 1481 01:12:45.439 --> 01:12:47.880 the weapons were going to the anti Castro Cubans, you know, 1482 01:12:48.239 --> 01:12:51.520 at least to a certain point. So like again, it 1483 01:12:51.560 --> 01:12:53.960 comes down to the motivations. Their motivation was probably money. 1484 01:12:54.000 --> 01:12:56.479 They probably got paid to do that the CIA, Gordon 1485 01:12:56.520 --> 01:12:58.399 Develle said, the CIA left the door open for him, 1486 01:12:58.840 --> 01:13:01.720 you know what I mean. And that was what was 1487 01:13:01.760 --> 01:13:04.359 It was the Schlumberger. It was the Schlumberge or however 1488 01:13:04.359 --> 01:13:06.000 you want to pronounce it. It was then that's Jon 1489 01:13:06.039 --> 01:13:07.880 de Manil, who's on bord of perman Next. Give me 1490 01:13:07.920 --> 01:13:09.520 a break. This is a this is an inside job. 1491 01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:12.800 But but if you go back to the forties, the 1492 01:13:12.840 --> 01:13:15.319 creation of the Son and Boorn group and that we're 1493 01:13:15.399 --> 01:13:18.840 going to uh go behind the back of our own 1494 01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:26.720 country to fund this unrecognized group, how do you how 1495 01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:27.199 does that see? 1496 01:13:28.119 --> 01:13:31.680 Not good? Not good at all. A lot of people 1497 01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:34.760 need to be hanged. That's a that's a reality. 1498 01:13:35.359 --> 01:13:40.760 They're part of Hank Greensland, et cetera. Pardon yep, and 1499 01:13:41.239 --> 01:13:42.640 the JFK. No less. 1500 01:13:44.479 --> 01:13:47.079 I see it, son Born morphed into our aid package 1501 01:13:47.199 --> 01:13:49.560 or modern aid package for Israel. That's that's what I'm 1502 01:13:50.119 --> 01:13:51.960 to me, there's no doubt. Don't see a difference. To me, 1503 01:13:52.079 --> 01:13:55.159 what they're doing with the funding of weapons for Israel 1504 01:13:55.800 --> 01:13:58.359 is no different than Sonborne and now it's overt and 1505 01:13:58.479 --> 01:14:02.800 it's it's an official policy of our governmn. Our government's treasonous. 1506 01:14:02.840 --> 01:14:06.960 They're all traders, all of them. Our government sucks. I mean, honestly, 1507 01:14:07.039 --> 01:14:08.920 democracy is a myth, like it doesn't exist. I don't 1508 01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:10.000 know what the fuck people are talking about. 1509 01:14:10.279 --> 01:14:13.119 You and I we've I can chat here. You and 1510 01:14:13.159 --> 01:14:14.399 I have this space to chat. 1511 01:14:14.520 --> 01:14:16.039 I think we have a god given right to do this, 1512 01:14:17.279 --> 01:14:19.920 but it has nothing to do with democracy. Our current 1513 01:14:19.920 --> 01:14:25.000 confident democracy is ridiculous. And once Citizens United came about 1514 01:14:25.239 --> 01:14:25.880 it was it done? 1515 01:14:26.279 --> 01:14:26.600 What was it? 1516 01:14:26.680 --> 01:14:29.159 No taxation? With that representation, we ain't have representation forever 1517 01:14:29.199 --> 01:14:31.640 defail represented. I don't And when I look at what 1518 01:14:31.680 --> 01:14:34.000 goes on in Congress, they do nothing but impede progress. 1519 01:14:34.760 --> 01:14:37.800 Period They impede progress. And so I can't help but 1520 01:14:37.880 --> 01:14:41.159 think back to the hundreds of years ago when we 1521 01:14:41.239 --> 01:14:43.520 had there were in the history of kings in which 1522 01:14:43.520 --> 01:14:46.479 we were governed by kings for hundreds of thousands of years. 1523 01:14:46.520 --> 01:14:49.600 I'm sure we've This whole democracy thing has been a 1524 01:14:49.680 --> 01:14:53.239 myth for two hundred years, has never existed. Okay, I'm 1525 01:14:53.319 --> 01:14:56.479 totally convinced that the benevolent dictator is the way to go, 1526 01:14:56.960 --> 01:14:58.920 and that's all there is to it. There's somebody who 1527 01:14:58.960 --> 01:15:01.000 make decisions and changed the course of history on a 1528 01:15:01.079 --> 01:15:03.600 dime instead of waiting ten years to go through Congress, 1529 01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:05.840 which doesn't do anything, steal our money and I bet 1530 01:15:05.920 --> 01:15:08.159 it on the stock market, right like, our whole entire 1531 01:15:08.199 --> 01:15:11.399 system needs to just be destroyed. But that will never happen. 1532 01:15:11.600 --> 01:15:13.000 What will happen we will have to happen for a 1533 01:15:13.039 --> 01:15:14.520 new system to come in place, is that we have 1534 01:15:14.600 --> 01:15:17.000 to have a complete and total financial and societal collapse 1535 01:15:17.159 --> 01:15:19.079 like what happened to Germany after World War One. I'm 1536 01:15:19.119 --> 01:15:21.199 not short of something like that. We're not getting any change, 1537 01:15:21.800 --> 01:15:24.600 so I don't have any hope. So the only hope 1538 01:15:24.600 --> 01:15:26.079 that I have is I only got twenty five years 1539 01:15:26.079 --> 01:15:27.199 to go. I'd have to put up with this shit, 1540 01:15:28.079 --> 01:15:28.880 you know, it's about it. 1541 01:15:29.359 --> 01:15:32.039 So hopefully hopefully you get you have that that long 1542 01:15:32.239 --> 01:15:34.079 because you know, anything can happen. 1543 01:15:34.640 --> 01:15:36.399 Hey, if I die before that, my books will sell 1544 01:15:36.439 --> 01:15:38.880 it crazy and my roommate's gonna blame it on the. 1545 01:15:38.960 --> 01:15:44.199 Side no matter what. So yeah, I just you know, 1546 01:15:44.359 --> 01:15:48.279 having never known about the War Assets Administration being being 1547 01:15:48.800 --> 01:15:54.399 looted and being sold and yet you know, we're I. 1548 01:15:54.640 --> 01:15:59.439 You know, I really enjoyed Peter Jennings as a reporter 1549 01:15:59.520 --> 01:16:02.760 anchor when I was growing up, but he was criticized 1550 01:16:02.760 --> 01:16:05.159 for being having a pro Palestinian stance, and I didn't 1551 01:16:05.239 --> 01:16:09.720 understand why was that a big deal? You know, it 1552 01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:13.960 was almost as if you had to you had to 1553 01:16:14.039 --> 01:16:17.960 come down and support no matter what, you know. And 1554 01:16:19.399 --> 01:16:22.960 when you look at el Schwimmer and the guys who 1555 01:16:23.039 --> 01:16:27.439 were convicted for violating the Neutrality Acts on very light sentences. 1556 01:16:29.720 --> 01:16:33.319 There is a movement that Aaron Storkin, the screenwriter, is 1557 01:16:33.359 --> 01:16:36.640 working on an adaptation of a book about Schwimmer and 1558 01:16:36.720 --> 01:16:41.399 greens Bun. Really the book is called Saving Israel. Storkin 1559 01:16:41.520 --> 01:16:46.000 is adapting the book for a film. Now. I also 1560 01:16:46.159 --> 01:16:50.239 read though that these kind of statements, these pr statements, 1561 01:16:50.279 --> 01:16:53.199 that film may never even happen. It's the fact that 1562 01:16:53.319 --> 01:16:55.439 that story got out there, that you have such a 1563 01:16:55.560 --> 01:17:00.319 high level screenwriter taking on that story to a way 1564 01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:04.159 to inject whatever propaganda whoever's putting that story out man, 1565 01:17:06.399 --> 01:17:09.960 which is again a whole I guess it all goes 1566 01:17:10.039 --> 01:17:10.720 back to the same. 1567 01:17:11.039 --> 01:17:16.640 So we just had Mike Huckabee, the ambassador to Israel, 1568 01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:21.880 meet with Jonathan Pollard, the worst spy in American history, 1569 01:17:22.239 --> 01:17:24.960 trader to this country, and we have official US government 1570 01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:28.520 people meeting with them. Our government is conquered and compromised 1571 01:17:29.880 --> 01:17:37.239 period period. Why isn't Huckaby being brought back here and 1572 01:17:37.279 --> 01:17:38.239 put on trial for treason? 1573 01:17:39.760 --> 01:17:40.159 I don't know. 1574 01:17:40.640 --> 01:17:42.479 To see, this is just like with Epstein. The first 1575 01:17:42.520 --> 01:17:44.119 time he got arrested, he got a slap on the 1576 01:17:44.119 --> 01:17:46.359 wrist and like he just had to check in at 1577 01:17:46.399 --> 01:17:48.119 jail and then he could go like, this is what 1578 01:17:48.239 --> 01:17:49.800 they do when they get caught and they have to 1579 01:17:49.840 --> 01:17:52.159 do some sort of pr trial. You know, That's what 1580 01:17:52.239 --> 01:17:55.520 these things are. And so it's the fixes in And 1581 01:17:57.239 --> 01:17:58.960 you know, the reason I don't really have much hope 1582 01:17:58.960 --> 01:18:01.079 is because I feel like our country to November twenty second, 1583 01:18:01.439 --> 01:18:03.840 unless we have a revolution or a complete collapse, we 1584 01:18:03.920 --> 01:18:07.079 can not We're not going to have a change, you know. 1585 01:18:07.119 --> 01:18:11.439 I encourage people to look more into Clay Shaw, and 1586 01:18:11.800 --> 01:18:14.359 I think they can get lost in PERMADEX and CMC 1587 01:18:14.760 --> 01:18:17.520 and because they're all, yeah, very hard to find a 1588 01:18:17.640 --> 01:18:22.319 reliable even you know, even the research community doesn't really 1589 01:18:22.399 --> 01:18:24.680 know what to make of it, as you know, because 1590 01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:27.079 they don't want to as you often say, they don't 1591 01:18:27.079 --> 01:18:28.119 want to pull the trigger. 1592 01:18:28.600 --> 01:18:32.680 Right, I mean when you got Alan DAWs and James 1593 01:18:32.720 --> 01:18:37.359 Angleton and Clay Shaw and tbor Rosenbaum who founded the 1594 01:18:37.399 --> 01:18:41.039 bank are pretty internationale and the Bronfmans and all these 1595 01:18:41.119 --> 01:18:45.479 people conspiring together with you know, Gershan Perez was a 1596 01:18:45.520 --> 01:18:49.479 member of perm Index, Simone Perez's brother. Like, have you 1597 01:18:49.600 --> 01:18:54.319 seen have you seen or read Michelle Meadow's work on CMC? Yes, 1598 01:18:54.399 --> 01:18:58.640 of course, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. That guy's work was absolutely priceless. 1599 01:18:58.680 --> 01:19:00.159 And thank god he was Italian and could read those 1600 01:19:00.199 --> 01:19:02.640 documents because no one else in the world ever did, right, 1601 01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:06.439 So his work there is just absolutely incredible. He makes 1602 01:19:06.479 --> 01:19:08.920 the best case in the world for the connection between 1603 01:19:08.960 --> 01:19:12.920 permandex and the assassination and so yeah, like once people 1604 01:19:12.960 --> 01:19:16.119 come to understand that our government conspired with foreign governments 1605 01:19:16.159 --> 01:19:18.159 to kill our own president, it's like, who are these 1606 01:19:18.199 --> 01:19:20.159 people really working for? And they don't work for us, 1607 01:19:20.199 --> 01:19:23.239 They work for an idea and this idea, which is crazy. 1608 01:19:23.359 --> 01:19:28.239 David Ferry said in his statements Brocheers, he mentions Alan 1609 01:19:28.319 --> 01:19:30.560 Dulls by name, and he says he's not a good 1610 01:19:30.640 --> 01:19:33.199 man and he says, these guys want to turn America 1611 01:19:33.239 --> 01:19:35.560 into one big barbed wire prison. And he said that 1612 01:19:35.680 --> 01:19:40.199 back in like sixty six or sixty seven, and that's exactly. 1613 01:19:39.920 --> 01:19:43.640 What we're doing. It's fairy, is still complex, and you say, 1614 01:19:43.760 --> 01:19:48.800 you know, make the point. He was an unwitting participant. Man, 1615 01:19:48.920 --> 01:19:54.960 he really knew stuff and he wasn't an idiot. People 1616 01:19:55.079 --> 01:20:00.159 need to know this was not a clown. And you 1617 01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:04.359 do you recommend folks to watch Stones film everythink they 1618 01:20:04.359 --> 01:20:05.000 should forget it. 1619 01:20:05.399 --> 01:20:07.479 No, they should watch it one hundred percent because I 1620 01:20:07.600 --> 01:20:10.960 tell people you'll get the official you'll get an expert 1621 01:20:11.399 --> 01:20:14.159 lesson on the official conspiracy theory. And you have to 1622 01:20:14.239 --> 01:20:17.199 understand the official conspiracy theory to understand why it's wrong. 1623 01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:20.560 And so yeah, and it's got a lot of good stuff. 1624 01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:23.119 Like I said this before, David Ferry in the very 1625 01:20:23.159 --> 01:20:25.359 beginning of that movie, he's in Garrison's office for like 1626 01:20:25.520 --> 01:20:30.520 three or four minutes and it's obvious David Ferry is lying. 1627 01:20:31.000 --> 01:20:33.119 Oliver Stone knew this well enough to put in the 1628 01:20:33.159 --> 01:20:35.640 film that David Ferry was lying about his stupid trip 1629 01:20:35.720 --> 01:20:38.439 to go geese hunting or right, yeah, he. 1630 01:20:38.520 --> 01:20:42.359 Says that, yeah, yeah, we have costers saying, well, you know, dad, 1631 01:20:42.760 --> 01:20:46.119 I fend your story unbelievable, right, And there's a comedic 1632 01:20:46.760 --> 01:20:47.960 a comedic, and I wonder. 1633 01:20:49.560 --> 01:20:55.039 Because he's like, really, it's so good. I love it. 1634 01:20:55.720 --> 01:20:58.119 I love that movie. I love it to death. But 1635 01:20:58.279 --> 01:21:02.039 for different reasons than into the Kennedy story. It's like, really, 1636 01:21:02.399 --> 01:21:05.479 it's a masterpiece of filmmaking. It's a lot of propaganda, 1637 01:21:07.039 --> 01:21:09.680 but overall, I definitely recommend it. It's not only as 1638 01:21:09.720 --> 01:21:11.960 it entertaining. It will give you that you'll get the 1639 01:21:12.079 --> 01:21:14.560 gist of what's going on and why there's a controversy 1640 01:21:14.560 --> 01:21:16.520 in the first place. It's not until you peel back 1641 01:21:16.520 --> 01:21:20.159 those layers you find it. The story wasn't really adequately represented. 1642 01:21:20.239 --> 01:21:23.479 One thing I'm really puzzled over is I've said this before, 1643 01:21:23.600 --> 01:21:25.359 when you can tell that Garrison knew a lot more 1644 01:21:25.399 --> 01:21:27.640 than he actually ever said in the way he structured 1645 01:21:27.640 --> 01:21:29.600 his files. When you go through his Garrison files, like 1646 01:21:29.840 --> 01:21:31.720 when you go through the Winterland file or when you 1647 01:21:31.720 --> 01:21:33.680 go through the Sergey R. Kata file, it's like thirty 1648 01:21:33.720 --> 01:21:36.159 five pages about the Winterland. Why would he do that? 1649 01:21:36.439 --> 01:21:38.439 It wasn't a mistake, Okay, he knew Sergei Arcoachu went 1650 01:21:38.439 --> 01:21:40.840 to the Winterland right. Same thing with the Carry Thornley file. 1651 01:21:41.039 --> 01:21:43.000 The very first page of the Carry Thornley File is 1652 01:21:43.039 --> 01:21:45.600 a note about JD. Tipett because he knew Carry Thornley 1653 01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:48.239 shot JD. Tippett. The second page in the Carry Thornly 1654 01:21:48.279 --> 01:21:50.560 File is the page about Doug Jones printing because he 1655 01:21:50.640 --> 01:21:53.439 knew Oswald didn't print the flyers. But Jim Garrison never 1656 01:21:53.560 --> 01:21:56.560 said these things out loud, never, but it was obvious 1657 01:21:56.600 --> 01:21:58.000 he knew them, or else he wouldn't put him in 1658 01:21:58.000 --> 01:22:00.359 the damn files the way he did. It's just makes 1659 01:22:00.399 --> 01:22:02.399 sense to me that way. So I don't understand why 1660 01:22:02.439 --> 01:22:06.560 Jim Garrison didn't even his final book that was unpublished, like, 1661 01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:08.840 he didn't talk about any of this stuff. So I 1662 01:22:08.880 --> 01:22:11.159 don't know what his deal was, And how the hell he, 1663 01:22:11.359 --> 01:22:13.239 of all people, never put David Ferry in Dallas to 1664 01:22:13.279 --> 01:22:14.039 me blows me away. 1665 01:22:15.039 --> 01:22:17.000 Well, I think the obvious thing in the world, and 1666 01:22:17.119 --> 01:22:19.279 you and you do, and you say, how do people 1667 01:22:19.439 --> 01:22:21.319 not realize this? And I think it's because you know, 1668 01:22:21.439 --> 01:22:25.199 you trust somebody like a Garrison right as a researcher saying, 1669 01:22:25.279 --> 01:22:27.800 I mean, yeah, it's a weird story. Let me see 1670 01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:31.000 where it's weird. And because Garrison, you know, and you're 1671 01:22:31.039 --> 01:22:34.520 not even and so you're not looking farther in, but 1672 01:22:34.680 --> 01:22:39.039 you did, and the Caulter Garone thing, and you get 1673 01:22:39.079 --> 01:22:41.960 a lot of flack. People are connecting Calvi Garone with 1674 01:22:42.119 --> 01:22:44.720 Valenti though, and you're getting a lot of flack for 1675 01:22:45.279 --> 01:22:47.600 where you put Valenti in McIntyre two. 1676 01:22:47.479 --> 01:22:50.319 Et cetera. Right, right, that's fine, I'll take the flack. 1677 01:22:50.560 --> 01:22:54.560 I mean, the alternative story doesn't make any sense. So 1678 01:22:54.720 --> 01:22:56.560 he's in the position where Jack Ready should be. Jack 1679 01:22:56.600 --> 01:22:59.319 Reedy puts himself inside the front row of the limousine 1680 01:23:00.039 --> 01:23:02.640 secret service car in Daily Plaza. And when you read 1681 01:23:02.680 --> 01:23:06.079 his statement, but he's not. So he lied right and 1682 01:23:06.199 --> 01:23:09.359 so and unless he's shrunk six inches, it's not it's 1683 01:23:09.399 --> 01:23:12.039 not Ready, okay, And so these guys are all liars. 1684 01:23:12.079 --> 01:23:14.119 And what really gets me is, and to me, the 1685 01:23:14.600 --> 01:23:16.159 ultimate proof is the guy standing next to him is 1686 01:23:16.199 --> 01:23:19.520 one hundred percent, without question, David Morales. And so once 1687 01:23:19.600 --> 01:23:21.640 you realize that, you realize there's a picture of Joe 1688 01:23:21.720 --> 01:23:24.560 Nitas and Daily Plaza. And if you believe that Larry 1689 01:23:24.640 --> 01:23:27.039 Floor is actually Ted Shackley, which I did, get a 1690 01:23:27.079 --> 01:23:30.279 seventy seven percent positive on facial recognition as Ted Shackley 1691 01:23:30.359 --> 01:23:32.840 is Larry Floor. Then you got the top three guys 1692 01:23:32.840 --> 01:23:35.000 at jam Wave in there in daily Plaza, and so 1693 01:23:35.520 --> 01:23:37.399 that all made sense to me. And the fact that 1694 01:23:39.479 --> 01:23:42.640 who was it Dave Powers. I made a mistake in 1695 01:23:42.720 --> 01:23:45.000 my book, right, I have to correct this. I thought 1696 01:23:45.039 --> 01:23:46.640 Dave Powers got out of the vehicle. He didn't. He 1697 01:23:46.720 --> 01:23:49.119 was in Dally. He was in the vehicle the whole time. 1698 01:23:49.439 --> 01:23:51.920 So once you realize Dave Powers and Kenny O'Donnell, who 1699 01:23:51.960 --> 01:23:55.119 were two of Kennedy's closest friends, like actual friends, once 1700 01:23:55.159 --> 01:23:57.159 you come to realize that they were they never said 1701 01:23:57.159 --> 01:23:59.479 a word about this stuff. You know, it makes you 1702 01:23:59.520 --> 01:24:01.920 realize everybody was in on it, even his buddies. So 1703 01:24:02.000 --> 01:24:04.359 I don't understand why they never came forward. Kenny o'donnald 1704 01:24:04.439 --> 01:24:07.239 drank himself to death in nineteen seventy seven, and so 1705 01:24:07.720 --> 01:24:10.279 I have no doubts that's why. But the Valentia called 1706 01:24:10.279 --> 01:24:12.199 the girn stuff was the most thing that blew me away, 1707 01:24:12.239 --> 01:24:14.279 more than I think anything else in the entire assassination. 1708 01:24:15.159 --> 01:24:18.279 When I realized that Jack Valenti's sister had married Vincent 1709 01:24:18.319 --> 01:24:21.479 Calton Geron Junior and Vincent Caldegron Junior's first cousin ran 1710 01:24:21.520 --> 01:24:25.119 the Winderland and it was owned by Lyndon Johnson. Give 1711 01:24:25.159 --> 01:24:28.039 me a break. This is this is this is conspiracy headquarters. 1712 01:24:28.079 --> 01:24:30.560 If you ask me, Mary Booz Roberts allegedly goes to 1713 01:24:30.600 --> 01:24:32.399 work for NASA. No, she didn't. I can't find a 1714 01:24:32.439 --> 01:24:34.640 single reference to her name in any of the NASA documents. 1715 01:24:34.760 --> 01:24:36.720 I spent a long time looking. She just isn't. There 1716 01:24:37.000 --> 01:24:39.239 is a front anybody and Kennedy who allegedly went to 1717 01:24:39.279 --> 01:24:43.199 work for NASA or Marshaud or Lockheed or General Dynamics. No, 1718 01:24:43.520 --> 01:24:45.560 these guys are spooks and those are fronts. And those 1719 01:24:45.600 --> 01:24:48.960 guys probably had their paychecks funneled how to for baristas 1720 01:24:48.960 --> 01:24:51.279 at a coffee shop make good NASA employees, you know, 1721 01:24:52.279 --> 01:24:55.079 give me a break. So stupid, right, And this is 1722 01:24:55.199 --> 01:24:57.720 it is another thing people need to understand the concept 1723 01:24:57.760 --> 01:25:00.960 of reading between the lines. Okay, the documents are not 1724 01:25:01.000 --> 01:25:03.399 going to tell you the goods. They're going to give 1725 01:25:03.399 --> 01:25:04.680 you a data and you have to look at the 1726 01:25:04.760 --> 01:25:06.600 data and collate it and then be like, oh, I 1727 01:25:06.720 --> 01:25:08.880 see what's really going on? Here and nobody wants to 1728 01:25:08.920 --> 01:25:11.520 read between the lines. Nobody, and then when they do 1729 01:25:11.640 --> 01:25:14.159 read between the lines, they come up with some nonsense like, 1730 01:25:14.760 --> 01:25:17.439 you know, James Files shot Kennedy or something ridiculous like that. 1731 01:25:18.720 --> 01:25:22.359 All right, two more questions, Corey. How much stock do 1732 01:25:22.399 --> 01:25:23.840 you put in the Winnipeg incident. 1733 01:25:23.960 --> 01:25:27.920 You're talking about the herald Isaac stuff at the airport. 1734 01:25:27.640 --> 01:25:33.399 Right, Richard Guines Brick. Yes, so I supposedly here's people 1735 01:25:33.600 --> 01:25:34.039 shouting ah. 1736 01:25:34.199 --> 01:25:36.239 Yeah. So the Isaac thing I'm kind of interested in 1737 01:25:36.439 --> 01:25:41.479 because I'm confused over his alleged relationship because Isaac's was 1738 01:25:41.479 --> 01:25:43.720 supposed to be some kind of like there's two different 1739 01:25:43.720 --> 01:25:45.800 references to him, one that he was a CIA asset 1740 01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:48.359 doing the CIA stuff and the other references that he 1741 01:25:48.520 --> 01:25:51.920 was some communist professor at a college. So I need 1742 01:25:51.960 --> 01:25:55.399 to get some clarity on that situation. But the situation 1743 01:25:55.479 --> 01:25:58.239 with him and David Ferry at the airport and it 1744 01:25:58.359 --> 01:26:01.399 was allegedly some car that got crushed in the story, 1745 01:26:01.520 --> 01:26:02.640 I don't know what to make of it. I don't 1746 01:26:02.680 --> 01:26:04.680 doubt it the descriptions given by the guy. See when 1747 01:26:04.720 --> 01:26:07.680 people provide details that there don't really understand the relevance 1748 01:26:07.720 --> 01:26:10.119 of those details. But they're making the difference to the investigator, 1749 01:26:10.319 --> 01:26:11.840 then you can pretty much tell that person's telling the 1750 01:26:11.840 --> 01:26:13.560 truth because they would they know stuff that they shouldn't 1751 01:26:13.560 --> 01:26:16.239 otherwise know. And I believe that's the case with this incident. 1752 01:26:17.359 --> 01:26:19.800 The overall relevance in the larger picture of things, I 1753 01:26:19.920 --> 01:26:22.600 really can't fit it in anywhere. Yeah, I don't have 1754 01:26:22.640 --> 01:26:25.239 any doubts that that as that the incident probably occurred 1755 01:26:25.319 --> 01:26:25.800 just as he said it. 1756 01:26:25.840 --> 01:26:31.319 Did you know? I believe from my piecing together that 1757 01:26:31.439 --> 01:26:34.680 it was the same day as the funeral for Fairy's uncle, 1758 01:26:35.000 --> 01:26:37.079 because there was one critic saying, now, you couldn't have 1759 01:26:37.079 --> 01:26:40.680 done it because his uncle was buried that day. 1760 01:26:41.079 --> 01:26:42.199 Do we know he was at the funeral? 1761 01:26:42.800 --> 01:26:47.239 We do, he was a pallbearer. However, Catholic funerals are 1762 01:26:47.279 --> 01:26:50.159 in the morning. It's a two and a half hour 1763 01:26:50.279 --> 01:26:54.359 flight from Cleveland to Winnipeg. Fairy could have flown from 1764 01:26:54.439 --> 01:26:58.680 Cleveland to Winnipeg for an afternoon meeting. It's not out 1765 01:26:58.720 --> 01:26:59.760 of the rema possibility. 1766 01:27:00.479 --> 01:27:03.159 So then the next question I have is what is 1767 01:27:03.199 --> 01:27:06.720 the relationship between Ferry and Isaacs And Isaac's allegedly was 1768 01:27:06.760 --> 01:27:09.439 photographed at the airport on November twenty second. I don't 1769 01:27:09.439 --> 01:27:12.159 know if you were aware of this. There's speculation that 1770 01:27:12.279 --> 01:27:14.199 there is a photo that he is. There's a picture 1771 01:27:14.199 --> 01:27:17.279 of Kennedy driving in the row in his car and 1772 01:27:17.399 --> 01:27:19.239 the Scott like Thomas Beckham in the background, which I 1773 01:27:19.279 --> 01:27:22.399 thought was ironic. But in that row of photographers and stuff, 1774 01:27:23.039 --> 01:27:25.039 it is alleged that Isaacs was one of those people 1775 01:27:25.119 --> 01:27:27.319 in that row. I don't understand. So, I mean, he 1776 01:27:27.399 --> 01:27:29.840 should probably I should probably spend more time on him 1777 01:27:30.279 --> 01:27:34.159 at some point, but yeah, added to my list. But 1778 01:27:34.239 --> 01:27:36.720 he seems like he was in the mix somehow. I 1779 01:27:36.760 --> 01:27:39.800 don't know how. So a lot of times, one of 1780 01:27:39.840 --> 01:27:41.800 the reasons I went with finding out who the shooters were, 1781 01:27:41.840 --> 01:27:43.880 and then once you have the shooters, you can obviously 1782 01:27:43.960 --> 01:27:48.159 backtrack to who their bosses were, right, and then trace 1783 01:27:48.239 --> 01:27:51.880 that back to the larger shell of the conspiracy. But 1784 01:27:52.159 --> 01:27:54.520 people like that I can't really put into like the 1785 01:27:54.600 --> 01:27:57.079 chain of command that leads to the shooters, and so 1786 01:27:57.199 --> 01:27:59.520 I probably just chuck them into that conspiracy layer that 1787 01:27:59.600 --> 01:28:01.600 I mentioned and where you're never really going to get 1788 01:28:01.600 --> 01:28:02.359 any clarification. 1789 01:28:03.680 --> 01:28:06.439 All Right, you say there's two individuals who are still alive, 1790 01:28:06.960 --> 01:28:12.000 that could could talk right right, William Seymour and Paul 1791 01:28:12.079 --> 01:28:16.920 andis okay. So I talked to Matt Crumpton J S L. 1792 01:28:16.920 --> 01:28:21.079 V DFK because I showed him the pictures you know, 1793 01:28:21.359 --> 01:28:24.079 of where Landis was supposed to be on the side 1794 01:28:24.079 --> 01:28:27.600 of the car. To me, it's an obvious picture of Morales. 1795 01:28:27.680 --> 01:28:30.520 But in communicating with him on X it was where 1796 01:28:30.560 --> 01:28:33.560 he showed. I showed him the picture. He responded that 1797 01:28:33.680 --> 01:28:37.199 it's definitely not Landis on the car. So that to 1798 01:28:37.319 --> 01:28:41.680 me is a major n road has that That was 1799 01:28:41.760 --> 01:28:46.000 just like a private diary. That's not like a video interviewer. No, No, 1800 01:28:46.279 --> 01:28:52.399 just a private conversation. So sure Seymour still live as 1801 01:28:52.479 --> 01:28:54.640 of like six months ago. Yeah, it was information. I 1802 01:28:54.680 --> 01:28:57.399 got his information here somewhere. I got his he's in Phoenix. 1803 01:28:57.880 --> 01:28:59.479 You sent it to me. You sent it to me. 1804 01:28:59.800 --> 01:29:01.359 What if we call them? 1805 01:29:01.439 --> 01:29:03.199 I feel like it's a necessity that someone has to 1806 01:29:03.840 --> 01:29:06.079 What do we do right now? That's that's never been 1807 01:29:06.800 --> 01:29:08.640 my I've never been a guy who interviewed. I'm a 1808 01:29:08.680 --> 01:29:10.680 data minor. I just mind the data that's out there. 1809 01:29:10.800 --> 01:29:12.560 I don't go out and do fresh interviews. 1810 01:29:12.920 --> 01:29:15.359 What if they try, you tried the numbers. I could 1811 01:29:15.399 --> 01:29:18.439 put him on speaker. I have a feeling he's dead. Corey, 1812 01:29:18.640 --> 01:29:22.479 I think he died. You do, yes, I would call. 1813 01:29:23.039 --> 01:29:25.279 I would call and confirm if he's alive. 1814 01:29:25.680 --> 01:29:27.680 What what inclination do you have that he might be dead? 1815 01:29:28.560 --> 01:29:30.359 I thought I saw it. I thought I saw an 1816 01:29:30.399 --> 01:29:33.399 oh bit. I don't want to back off right now. 1817 01:29:33.560 --> 01:29:35.319 I have his number right here, I call him. 1818 01:29:35.520 --> 01:29:39.159 Sure, let me get my popcorn. 1819 01:29:41.279 --> 01:29:42.920 Here. This is a mobile. 1820 01:29:43.079 --> 01:29:45.720 Your call has been forwarded to voicemail. The person you're 1821 01:29:45.760 --> 01:29:47.840 trying to reach is not available at the tone. 1822 01:29:48.199 --> 01:29:50.920 Please record your message. When you have finished recording, you 1823 01:29:51.000 --> 01:29:54.239 may hang up. Hi. This is James Day. I'm a 1824 01:29:54.399 --> 01:29:57.880 researcher in California and I was looking to chat with William. 1825 01:29:58.039 --> 01:30:00.520 If he's around, could he give me a call please? 1826 01:30:01.840 --> 01:30:04.319 Two zero five five three one five seven eighty five. 1827 01:30:04.760 --> 01:30:08.560 Thank you. Everyone has my phone number now, but let's 1828 01:30:08.600 --> 01:30:14.319 call the landline completed and styled all right. 1829 01:30:14.800 --> 01:30:17.800 Interesting. So I don't know when this was, maybe eighties, 1830 01:30:17.840 --> 01:30:20.319 maybe nineties, but there's a picture of William Seymour at 1831 01:30:20.359 --> 01:30:24.000 like a JFK conference with a big beard. Not take 1832 01:30:24.039 --> 01:30:27.800 some balls. Yeah, if I was these guys. I would 1833 01:30:27.840 --> 01:30:29.960 never if the if I were these guys, once I 1834 01:30:29.960 --> 01:30:31.600 got out of Dallas, I would be like, I don't 1835 01:30:31.640 --> 01:30:33.640 know what you're talking about. I don't know who's Kennedy, right, 1836 01:30:33.640 --> 01:30:35.359 I wouldn't. I wouldn't have anything to do with any 1837 01:30:35.359 --> 01:30:38.800 of these people. And that's pretty much how it's been. Well, then, 1838 01:30:38.840 --> 01:30:40.600 when I look at people who people try to put 1839 01:30:40.680 --> 01:30:42.560 Jerry Hemming in daily plaza, I can't do it. And 1840 01:30:42.640 --> 01:30:45.199 Jerry Hemming had no problem given interviews for twenty years 1841 01:30:45.239 --> 01:30:48.119 after the assassination. So I definitely don't think Jerry Hemming 1842 01:30:48.199 --> 01:30:48.439 was there. 1843 01:30:49.560 --> 01:30:51.720 What about Sturges? Where do you come down on him? 1844 01:30:52.159 --> 01:30:54.199 Frank Sturgis, he often gave interviews. 1845 01:30:56.680 --> 01:30:59.279 Yeah, so this is an interesting one. You got the 1846 01:30:59.319 --> 01:31:01.479 whole story about him in a caravan with the Diaz 1847 01:31:01.520 --> 01:31:04.159 brother the Diaz Lands brothers coming in. That whole story's bunk. 1848 01:31:04.680 --> 01:31:07.039 Marita Lorenz is full of shit. I don't buy for 1849 01:31:07.119 --> 01:31:11.560 a second she was a Castro assassin whatever, Like, none 1850 01:31:11.600 --> 01:31:14.000 of that story makes any sense to me. There's no 1851 01:31:14.039 --> 01:31:19.119 substantiation for any of what she said. However, I am 1852 01:31:19.159 --> 01:31:21.239 one hundred percent convinced that I have a picture of 1853 01:31:21.439 --> 01:31:24.840 the Howard Hunt and Daly Plaza, not for any of 1854 01:31:24.880 --> 01:31:26.560 the standard pictures that we'd ever seen. It was a 1855 01:31:26.640 --> 01:31:29.960 zoomate on a photograph I found, So if he was there, 1856 01:31:30.079 --> 01:31:33.279 Ozar Sturgis was there, But we have nothing linking them 1857 01:31:33.319 --> 01:31:35.439 to it at all. I looked. I can't find a 1858 01:31:35.479 --> 01:31:38.319 damn thing Lincoln him to Dallas or any of the stuff. 1859 01:31:39.239 --> 01:31:44.399 So I really don't know. I really don't know that 1860 01:31:44.479 --> 01:31:49.800 whole crew with who was it Bernard Barker. You know 1861 01:31:50.000 --> 01:31:52.439 that one guy who was allegedly seen by a witness 1862 01:31:52.479 --> 01:31:54.359 at Daily Plaza. I don't buy that statement either. I 1863 01:31:54.399 --> 01:31:58.439 think that guy saw Lennie Patrick, Lenny Patrick and uh 1864 01:31:58.520 --> 01:32:01.039 and at that time, Lenny Patt and Bernard Barker were 1865 01:32:01.399 --> 01:32:04.359 basically identical bad guys with glasses. So I'm convinced the 1866 01:32:04.359 --> 01:32:06.520 guy he saw it was Lenny Patrick because I placed 1867 01:32:06.800 --> 01:32:08.680 Dave Yaris as the shooter between the progole and the 1868 01:32:08.760 --> 01:32:10.880 fence that was edited out of the Knicks film because 1869 01:32:10.920 --> 01:32:13.840 the next film was cropped for many years until I 1870 01:32:13.880 --> 01:32:16.520 don't know when the unedded diversion came out, But there's 1871 01:32:16.560 --> 01:32:18.560 some shenanigans going on with that film too. There's a 1872 01:32:18.600 --> 01:32:21.039 lot of weird stuff. It's a pruiter, people frozen in time, 1873 01:32:21.159 --> 01:32:23.479 not moving as the truck as a limos going by, 1874 01:32:23.840 --> 01:32:26.159 you know, same kind of stuff happening in the Knicks film. 1875 01:32:26.279 --> 01:32:28.920 So but yeah, I put I put Jarris and Patrick 1876 01:32:28.920 --> 01:32:31.439 in Neely Plasa, so I'm I can't put Bernard Barker there, 1877 01:32:31.760 --> 01:32:33.600 and so I'm convinced the man that he saw was 1878 01:32:33.640 --> 01:32:34.600 actually Lenny Patrick. 1879 01:32:34.680 --> 01:32:39.239 Okay, last question then Ruby at when the shooting went down, 1880 01:32:39.760 --> 01:32:45.399 do you believe the story? Uh? Where do you put him? Then? Ruby? Yes? 1881 01:32:45.680 --> 01:32:48.359 Yeah, Ruby was on the street with a guy named Villa. 1882 01:32:48.800 --> 01:32:51.800 Was it Vanderslice? Was that the name? You've read the 1883 01:32:51.880 --> 01:32:55.239 Vandersliss story. It's hilarious story, hilarious story. On the way 1884 01:32:55.279 --> 01:32:57.239 to give it his interview, vander Slits gets beat up 1885 01:32:57.239 --> 01:32:59.600 and punched in the lip or something and then you 1886 01:32:59.720 --> 01:33:02.960 never up again. Yeah, Jack Ruby's out on the street. 1887 01:33:03.359 --> 01:33:05.239 Jack Ruby is seen by you know, he's seen in 1888 01:33:05.279 --> 01:33:07.640 the green truck. The green truck is paramount. He's seen 1889 01:33:07.680 --> 01:33:09.199 in the green truck dropping off the guy with the 1890 01:33:09.199 --> 01:33:12.479 plaid you know shirt with the soacat allegedly with a rifle. 1891 01:33:12.920 --> 01:33:14.199 Who saw that it wasn't Jean Hill. 1892 01:33:14.239 --> 01:33:16.479 It was. It was one of the other one. 1893 01:33:16.560 --> 01:33:18.039 Yeah, it was in one of the other way and says, 1894 01:33:18.800 --> 01:33:21.199 so we have the Jack Ruby out there about eleven 1895 01:33:21.199 --> 01:33:23.840 o'clock dropping people off. But at the exact same time 1896 01:33:23.880 --> 01:33:25.920 the Jack Ruby's dropping people off, people are seeing Jack 1897 01:33:26.000 --> 01:33:29.359 Ruby at the Dallas Morning News building where he happens 1898 01:33:29.399 --> 01:33:31.640 to sit there for like two hours. Why the hell 1899 01:33:31.680 --> 01:33:33.439 would he be sitting there for two hours? Okay, because 1900 01:33:33.479 --> 01:33:36.640 it wasn't Jack Ruby. This is where Samuel Ruby comes in. 1901 01:33:37.079 --> 01:33:38.920 Samuel Ruby was the one who sat up in the 1902 01:33:39.319 --> 01:33:41.399 Dallas Morning News office. Well, Jack Ruby was out on 1903 01:33:41.439 --> 01:33:43.479 the street with Vander Slice and doing all that stuff. 1904 01:33:44.439 --> 01:33:48.000 From there, you got Jack Ruby is seen at Parkland Hospital, 1905 01:33:49.079 --> 01:33:51.079 and then throughout the weekend, you have multiple sightings of 1906 01:33:51.119 --> 01:33:53.399 Jack Ruby throughout Dallas. But I can tell you Jack 1907 01:33:53.439 --> 01:33:57.079 Ruby left Dallas and went to Galveston, most likely to 1908 01:33:57.159 --> 01:34:00.359 bring black men back to his boat, because black men 1909 01:34:00.399 --> 01:34:02.079 had to get back to the port and in Galveston 1910 01:34:02.119 --> 01:34:04.600 where his boat was stationed. 1911 01:34:04.279 --> 01:34:04.760 For the weekend. 1912 01:34:05.239 --> 01:34:07.399 And so that's what I concluded. Plus, Jack Ruby was 1913 01:34:07.439 --> 01:34:09.399 seen a in like a sporting goods store or a 1914 01:34:09.439 --> 01:34:14.840 hardware store buying a gun. On that Saturday. That was 1915 01:34:15.079 --> 01:34:17.399 a witness told the FBI that and he said he 1916 01:34:17.520 --> 01:34:19.800 recognized the guy because it was the same guy with 1917 01:34:19.960 --> 01:34:24.119 the same square hairline and hat that was that shot Oswald. 1918 01:34:24.359 --> 01:34:27.520 He said he saw that guy, and so that makes 1919 01:34:27.560 --> 01:34:29.840 perfect sense to me. Then you got like this Saturday 1920 01:34:29.920 --> 01:34:31.920 night where they're booked into like two different hotels the 1921 01:34:31.920 --> 01:34:34.239 same night, you know, the Saturday night at the Alam 1922 01:34:34.279 --> 01:34:36.439 Motel and Saturday night at the drift Wood in Galveston. 1923 01:34:36.840 --> 01:34:39.520 They're checked into both both nights. But then a blonde 1924 01:34:39.560 --> 01:34:42.439 woman was seen by the staff at the Alam Motel. 1925 01:34:42.880 --> 01:34:46.399 And where is the Ala Motel? The Ala Motel. This 1926 01:34:46.600 --> 01:34:48.960 is the best part for me because no everyone always 1927 01:34:48.960 --> 01:34:51.920 talks about the Winterland ice skating rink. No one in 1928 01:34:52.039 --> 01:34:54.680 the history of Kennedy has ever mentioned the Gateway Swim 1929 01:34:54.760 --> 01:34:58.560 and skate, which is what the real story about Houston is. 1930 01:34:59.239 --> 01:35:01.880 So the Gateway swim and Skate. When you look at 1931 01:35:01.920 --> 01:35:04.880 the documents of the phone calls made from the Alam Motel, 1932 01:35:04.960 --> 01:35:07.640 one of them was made to a quote unidentified number, 1933 01:35:08.239 --> 01:35:11.159 a local number, and it was unidentified. Well, thank god 1934 01:35:11.239 --> 01:35:13.199 for Google, because it took me about thirty seconds to 1935 01:35:13.239 --> 01:35:16.319 put that unidentified number into Google to figure out that 1936 01:35:16.439 --> 01:35:18.800 it came back to the building next door, which was 1937 01:35:19.039 --> 01:35:21.680 the Gateway Swim and Skate. And then this connects to 1938 01:35:21.720 --> 01:35:23.800 Vincent called the Geron Junior right, And this is where 1939 01:35:23.840 --> 01:35:25.640 I connected him to be the short Tramp besides the 1940 01:35:25.680 --> 01:35:29.079 photographic evidence, because they get down there and they go 1941 01:35:29.319 --> 01:35:32.079 to the Gateway. Although he called what did Ferry call it? 1942 01:35:32.159 --> 01:35:33.960 He called it the bell Air? He called it the 1943 01:35:33.960 --> 01:35:36.319 bail Air skating Rink. Well, guess what. The bail Air 1944 01:35:36.399 --> 01:35:38.800 Skating Rink was knocked down in nineteen fifty nine and 1945 01:35:38.920 --> 01:35:40.960 in its place was built the Gateway Swim and Skate. 1946 01:35:41.239 --> 01:35:43.159 So Number one had a hell did Ferry know about 1947 01:35:43.159 --> 01:35:44.920 the bell Air if it hadn't been there for four years? 1948 01:35:45.760 --> 01:35:48.720 That tells me his relationship with his relationship with these 1949 01:35:48.760 --> 01:35:51.319 people goes on for a long time. He'd been doing 1950 01:35:51.399 --> 01:35:53.520 something in Houston for a long time. If he knew 1951 01:35:53.520 --> 01:35:55.520 about the bell Air because it wasn't the bell Air, 1952 01:35:55.600 --> 01:35:57.680 not for a long time. That's a I love the 1953 01:35:58.359 --> 01:36:01.000 little pieces of evidence that give you without even knowing it. 1954 01:36:02.039 --> 01:36:04.840 And then the Gateway Swim and Skate would go on 1955 01:36:04.960 --> 01:36:08.159 to become the Downtown Houston YMCA and that's where Vincent 1956 01:36:08.199 --> 01:36:12.239 called the Geron was a taught scuba and so to me, 1957 01:36:12.319 --> 01:36:14.840 it was pretty obvious that cult your own had been 1958 01:36:14.880 --> 01:36:17.399 working at the Gateway before it was the Houston YMCA. 1959 01:36:17.720 --> 01:36:20.359 That's why the phone calls were probably made. They probably 1960 01:36:20.479 --> 01:36:23.720 drove him back from Dallas to Houston, because there is 1961 01:36:23.800 --> 01:36:27.159 one document that indicates they did stop at the Winterland 1962 01:36:27.159 --> 01:36:29.079 at like four o'clock in the morning before going to 1963 01:36:29.119 --> 01:36:31.960 the Allen Hotel. Why'd they do that? They probably dropped 1964 01:36:32.000 --> 01:36:34.039 Vincent called the Groen Junior off at the Winterland for 1965 01:36:34.079 --> 01:36:36.560 whatever reason, and then went to the hotel. Then the 1966 01:36:36.640 --> 01:36:38.760 next day they're calling him while he's at work at 1967 01:36:38.800 --> 01:36:41.199 the Gateway. That's the conclusions I drew based on the 1968 01:36:41.359 --> 01:36:45.439 available data. But the only person to ever really identify 1969 01:36:45.520 --> 01:36:47.920 that phone number, and it's not even in a context 1970 01:36:48.039 --> 01:36:51.439 that most people would recognize, was Jim Garrison. Jim Garrison 1971 01:36:51.520 --> 01:36:56.239 actually has in his notes on one page a reference 1972 01:36:56.319 --> 01:36:59.359 to the Gateway, the Gateway. Skate Rinky called it. 1973 01:37:00.079 --> 01:37:00.279 That's it. 1974 01:37:00.359 --> 01:37:03.800 It's one drop reference without any context. And so I 1975 01:37:03.920 --> 01:37:06.640 found that after I identified it. It's amazing when you 1976 01:37:06.720 --> 01:37:09.760 go on a lot of the information I pulled from 1977 01:37:10.079 --> 01:37:13.119 about the Gateway and the Winterland I got from local 1978 01:37:13.359 --> 01:37:17.560 Houston forums. There was a Houston Architecture forum that had 1979 01:37:17.600 --> 01:37:20.720 all kinds of stuff about the Winterland and the Gateway 1980 01:37:20.800 --> 01:37:24.800 and all this stuff. And yeah, it seems like it's 1981 01:37:24.800 --> 01:37:26.760 amazing because I have a feeling once upon a time, 1982 01:37:26.920 --> 01:37:30.800 in a lesser technological age, places like the Gateway would 1983 01:37:30.840 --> 01:37:33.760 have been booming establishments. You can go swimming and ice 1984 01:37:33.800 --> 01:37:36.399 skating and all this stuff all in one place, and 1985 01:37:36.680 --> 01:37:40.079 like people just don't do that anymore, and it breaks 1986 01:37:40.119 --> 01:37:40.479 my heart. 1987 01:37:40.960 --> 01:37:45.600 Yeah, yeah, you know, I do have to ask. I forgot, 1988 01:37:45.720 --> 01:37:47.359 but I want to make sure I get this from you. 1989 01:37:47.960 --> 01:37:52.680 The drug aspect of things, You know, we hear about 1990 01:37:52.760 --> 01:37:57.359 the French connection Marseille and all that. Of course again 1991 01:37:57.479 --> 01:38:01.520 drug trade and everything. How important, How how much of 1992 01:38:01.560 --> 01:38:06.239 an aspect or an element was the drugs and to 1993 01:38:06.600 --> 01:38:08.000 all of this, I. 1994 01:38:08.039 --> 01:38:11.199 Really don't know. I really don't know. So we all 1995 01:38:11.239 --> 01:38:14.239 hear have heard about the heroine story from the Semen 1996 01:38:14.319 --> 01:38:16.560 coming into the gavels and port. That's the only place 1997 01:38:16.600 --> 01:38:19.720 the drug story really comes into it. I don't know 1998 01:38:19.760 --> 01:38:21.520 what kind of deal they could have possibly had going on, 1999 01:38:21.720 --> 01:38:24.520 the dear bastard letter makes it kind of seem like 2000 01:38:26.199 --> 01:38:28.560 it didn't make it seem like, uh, he was setting 2001 01:38:28.640 --> 01:38:30.800 up a deal for like kilo's worth of stuff. 2002 01:38:30.840 --> 01:38:31.000 You know. 2003 01:38:31.159 --> 01:38:33.039 It's hey, brings the more, bring a lot of it, 2004 01:38:33.119 --> 01:38:34.680 brings the more of that cloud nine he called it 2005 01:38:34.720 --> 01:38:36.640 cloud nine. You know, bring a lot more when you 2006 01:38:36.720 --> 01:38:38.920 come back. Hey, bring a lot more. Doesn't indicate he's 2007 01:38:38.960 --> 01:38:40.079 bringing kilos or whatever. 2008 01:38:40.199 --> 01:38:40.720 You know what I mean? 2009 01:38:41.039 --> 01:38:47.319 Right, And so what still puzzles me is why that 2010 01:38:47.560 --> 01:38:50.840 Semen's name is left out of the documents. Because it's 2011 01:38:50.960 --> 01:38:54.800 clear as day this Frouge, the lieutenant for the state 2012 01:38:54.840 --> 01:38:59.439 police in Louisiana, he identified the sailor by name. He 2013 01:38:59.520 --> 01:39:02.520 knew his name, but the name does not appear in 2014 01:39:02.640 --> 01:39:03.359 any document. 2015 01:39:04.479 --> 01:39:05.000 Why is that? 2016 01:39:05.800 --> 01:39:08.600 That's that means somebody censored the documents, and the documents 2017 01:39:08.640 --> 01:39:12.920 that do have the name were mixed. And when Francis 2018 01:39:13.000 --> 01:39:16.680 Frouge is asked in an interview years later, he's like, oh, 2019 01:39:16.720 --> 01:39:20.760 I forgot the name. You forgot the name. You forgot 2020 01:39:20.800 --> 01:39:23.920 the name. Give me a break. Forgot the name? What's 2021 01:39:23.960 --> 01:39:25.640 wrong with you? You're a cop? How you forget a name? 2022 01:39:26.520 --> 01:39:26.680 Yeah? 2023 01:39:27.399 --> 01:39:30.399 Okay, so yeah, I don't know. I don't know where 2024 01:39:30.399 --> 01:39:32.880 the drugs fall into it. The mafia. You always hear 2025 01:39:32.880 --> 01:39:34.319 people say the mafia didn't deal drugs. 2026 01:39:34.520 --> 01:39:34.840 BS. 2027 01:39:34.960 --> 01:39:36.960 They dealt drugs. They might not have liked it, but 2028 01:39:37.039 --> 01:39:37.479 they did it. 2029 01:39:39.239 --> 01:39:42.199 And so for this idea of the CIA running heroin 2030 01:39:42.319 --> 01:39:49.720 to what Harlem to jazz clubs to like get the 2031 01:39:50.319 --> 01:39:54.479 black population hooked, I mean, at some point, I don't know. 2032 01:39:56.000 --> 01:40:00.840 Where to say, Okay, well, we know for fact, the 2033 01:40:00.960 --> 01:40:03.760 origins of the US government's involvement in the drug trade 2034 01:40:03.800 --> 01:40:06.560 goes back to Arnold Rothstein in like the nineteen twenties. 2035 01:40:07.600 --> 01:40:08.479 So what was it? 2036 01:40:08.600 --> 01:40:10.880 It was the Federal Bureau of Narcotics they had backed 2037 01:40:11.039 --> 01:40:14.279 was that it was called so Yet those guys were 2038 01:40:14.279 --> 01:40:17.039 all on Rostein's payroll, so it got shut down because 2039 01:40:17.039 --> 01:40:21.680 they were all on the take. Rothstein ends up connecting 2040 01:40:23.000 --> 01:40:28.079 the FEDS to Shanghai Shek in China, and I believe 2041 01:40:28.359 --> 01:40:32.920 that the FEDS overlooked Rostein's importation of opium and heroin 2042 01:40:33.439 --> 01:40:37.640 from the Chinese because he was helping them get connected 2043 01:40:37.680 --> 01:40:43.079 to people for political reasons in China, which is crazy 2044 01:40:43.279 --> 01:40:44.920 when you have the US government going to a drug 2045 01:40:44.960 --> 01:40:47.359 dealer to get connected to China. What is wrong with 2046 01:40:47.439 --> 01:40:50.199 our world, and so but that's exactly what happened. And 2047 01:40:50.359 --> 01:40:53.680 so then by like if you've ever read if you 2048 01:40:53.720 --> 01:40:56.560 haven't read them yet, you need to read Doug Valentine's 2049 01:40:56.560 --> 01:40:58.479 book Strength of the Wolf and Strength of the Pack. 2050 01:40:59.399 --> 01:41:02.600 Those were priceless. Basically, the DEA has been a compromised 2051 01:41:02.680 --> 01:41:05.600 organization from day one. The DEA came about to replace 2052 01:41:05.600 --> 01:41:09.479 all these corrupt organizations, the CIA immediately infiltrated, took over 2053 01:41:09.520 --> 01:41:12.760 their internal affairs, and then looked the other way for 2054 01:41:12.840 --> 01:41:14.960 the CIA's drug trafficking. So we could think about a 2055 01:41:15.000 --> 01:41:17.680 hundred percent certainty the CIA has controlled the drug trade 2056 01:41:17.680 --> 01:41:22.479 in this country for decades decades. Then you have the 2057 01:41:23.279 --> 01:41:26.079 Freeway Ricky Ross stuff with the cocaine in Los Angeles, 2058 01:41:26.359 --> 01:41:30.600 more evidence of them funneling drugs into our country. And 2059 01:41:31.600 --> 01:41:33.439 then when you look at like LSD and like the 2060 01:41:33.560 --> 01:41:36.199 really like LSD in particular, they did all this stuff 2061 01:41:36.199 --> 01:41:38.800 with Midnight Climax and all the experimentation with MK Ultra 2062 01:41:38.840 --> 01:41:41.920 and all that stuff. Okay, you ain't whipping up LSD 2063 01:41:42.039 --> 01:41:45.600 in your garage. Sorry, you need a big professional laboratory 2064 01:41:45.640 --> 01:41:48.239 to make that stuff. And who had the big labs 2065 01:41:48.239 --> 01:41:52.399 at the time universities. My dad, who was just a 2066 01:41:52.520 --> 01:41:55.159 hippie in New York. He died many years ago, but 2067 01:41:55.279 --> 01:41:58.359 in the sixties he knew a guy who was a 2068 01:41:58.439 --> 01:42:01.520 professor at a college in New York who had a 2069 01:42:01.640 --> 01:42:06.399 license to manufacture LSD from the government. So the government 2070 01:42:06.520 --> 01:42:09.079 was in on the manufacturing of drugs. The government's controlled 2071 01:42:09.079 --> 01:42:10.720 the drug trade from day one. So then when I 2072 01:42:10.760 --> 01:42:13.359 see like Trump wanting to blow up Venezuelan and boats 2073 01:42:13.359 --> 01:42:16.039 because they're importing the drugs, It's like, screw you, buddy. 2074 01:42:16.560 --> 01:42:18.199 Your CIA is the ones helping them. 2075 01:42:18.279 --> 01:42:18.720 So what is this? 2076 01:42:18.920 --> 01:42:21.800 What is the charade you're pulling down in South America? 2077 01:42:22.000 --> 01:42:25.199 You know what I mean? It's all fiction, smoke and mirrors. 2078 01:42:25.520 --> 01:42:28.119 But yeah, the CIA is controlled the drug trade forever. 2079 01:42:29.000 --> 01:42:31.439 I mean, look what happened in Afghanistan, Like when the 2080 01:42:31.520 --> 01:42:33.520 Taliban went in and killed the opium production. 2081 01:42:33.640 --> 01:42:34.079 What do we do. 2082 01:42:34.600 --> 01:42:36.279 We went in there, invaded and we put it right 2083 01:42:36.279 --> 01:42:38.279 back in place, Like, give me, why would we do that? 2084 01:42:40.119 --> 01:42:43.560 It's really it's offensive, it's insulting, and it makes me 2085 01:42:43.640 --> 01:42:47.640 completely lose respect for all of our our government because 2086 01:42:47.640 --> 01:42:49.399 everyone else knows about it. Everyone knows about it. They 2087 01:42:49.439 --> 01:42:52.520 do nothing because the people don't control the government. The 2088 01:42:52.840 --> 01:42:55.319 intelligence world controls the government, and they don't give a 2089 01:42:55.359 --> 01:42:58.840 goddamn fuck about us. They care about their international business 2090 01:42:58.920 --> 01:43:00.520 dealings in Israel and all that. 2091 01:43:00.560 --> 01:43:05.359 Stuff, the relationships and the families and that. That really 2092 01:43:05.520 --> 01:43:10.640 is a great takeaway from your work, and we need 2093 01:43:10.760 --> 01:43:14.439 to follow that more. Those connections that you're pulling out 2094 01:43:14.520 --> 01:43:19.359 are aren't hard to find. It's putting them together, and 2095 01:43:19.960 --> 01:43:21.439 you got to keep it up. I know, I know 2096 01:43:21.560 --> 01:43:25.000 you're wanting to get burned out, but don't stay with it. 2097 01:43:25.880 --> 01:43:28.039 Well, I've already started something I have no choice but 2098 01:43:28.119 --> 01:43:30.479 to finish, meaning my series on Oswald, which is a 2099 01:43:30.520 --> 01:43:33.359 minimum a minimum four parts, because Oswald's life can be 2100 01:43:33.359 --> 01:43:35.760 broken into four segments. His life up till he joins 2101 01:43:35.800 --> 01:43:39.079 the Marines, the Marines Russia, and then sixty two to 2102 01:43:39.159 --> 01:43:41.319 the end. That's it. That's the four segments of his life. 2103 01:43:41.399 --> 01:43:43.560 They all deserve a book, and so I have no 2104 01:43:43.680 --> 01:43:45.079 choice but to finish those, you. 2105 01:43:45.119 --> 01:43:47.600 Know, speaking of that, we may have to wait until 2106 01:43:47.640 --> 01:43:50.840 the volume comes out. But I keep asking last questions, 2107 01:43:50.840 --> 01:43:53.239 but this will be the last one. Who did he 2108 01:43:53.680 --> 01:43:56.840 who did Oswald call? For his one phone call that 2109 01:43:56.960 --> 01:44:05.039 he got in and significant the John phone call is 2110 01:44:05.119 --> 01:44:09.680 that significant? So what I've been told is it is significant. Okay, Well, 2111 01:44:09.760 --> 01:44:12.319 the call was never completed, They never made the call. 2112 01:44:12.439 --> 01:44:15.520 There's some controversy over that. Some researcher even tried to 2113 01:44:15.560 --> 01:44:18.680 come up and say that John Hurt made the call 2114 01:44:19.319 --> 01:44:21.119 to the jail, not the other way around, which is 2115 01:44:21.119 --> 01:44:23.079 the dumbest thing I ever heard. And then they came 2116 01:44:23.159 --> 01:44:24.479 up with the story how he was an alcoholic and 2117 01:44:24.560 --> 01:44:27.800 that's why he did it and so. But no, So 2118 01:44:28.319 --> 01:44:31.800 I'll tell you this story. Ryan Dawson, who is another researcher. 2119 01:44:32.359 --> 01:44:34.159 He doesn't have anything out on Kennedy, but he studied 2120 01:44:34.199 --> 01:44:36.840 Kenny a long time ago. His father owned a business 2121 01:44:36.880 --> 01:44:40.319 in North Carolina. He's from North Carolina, and one of 2122 01:44:40.359 --> 01:44:45.199 the employees of his business became his friend. And this 2123 01:44:45.439 --> 01:44:49.079 man was the son of Oswald's real handler. And Ryan 2124 01:44:49.199 --> 01:44:50.319 told me the story directly. 2125 01:44:51.560 --> 01:44:53.119 Ryan will I don't know if he'll ever come out 2126 01:44:53.119 --> 01:44:54.600 with a book or talk about this on his own, 2127 01:44:54.680 --> 01:44:56.560 so I tell the story for him because he refuses 2128 01:44:56.600 --> 01:45:01.439 to do so. But he actually met the man who 2129 01:45:01.680 --> 01:45:05.359 was Oswald's real handler confirmed John Hurt was the cutout. 2130 01:45:05.880 --> 01:45:08.319 And that's about as much as I know about the story. 2131 01:45:08.520 --> 01:45:11.159 I know that he met the guy, Yeah, Dawson did. 2132 01:45:11.279 --> 01:45:14.840 And Dawson met him because his father's business had something 2133 01:45:14.840 --> 01:45:17.279 to do with boats, and he actually went out on 2134 01:45:17.319 --> 01:45:18.720 a boat with him and they had a boat ride 2135 01:45:18.720 --> 01:45:22.720 and they talked about it. And so that's the story 2136 01:45:22.800 --> 01:45:25.800 as it was related to me. Do I believe that story? Yes, 2137 01:45:25.880 --> 01:45:28.479 I do. Ryan might be full of shit about a 2138 01:45:28.479 --> 01:45:31.239 lot of stuff, but a lot of the private conversations 2139 01:45:31.279 --> 01:45:33.479 we have had, I can tell that he wasn't full 2140 01:45:33.520 --> 01:45:36.399 of shit about some of the stuff. So that story, 2141 01:45:36.439 --> 01:45:39.640 I definitely believe. He has that answer right now. He'll 2142 01:45:39.680 --> 01:45:42.079 never tell you or anyone else or me for it. 2143 01:45:42.079 --> 01:45:46.279 He wouldn't give me the name, obviously, But I do 2144 01:45:46.399 --> 01:45:50.439 believe that story. And the idea that Oswald would call 2145 01:45:50.560 --> 01:45:54.560 somebody in North Carolina, which is what's in North Carolina 2146 01:45:54.640 --> 01:45:57.439 nag's head, which is O and I right to me, 2147 01:45:58.800 --> 01:46:01.119 the whole O and I connects really becomes obvious in 2148 01:46:01.319 --> 01:46:04.039 his early life. That's why I'm willing to stay with confidence. 2149 01:46:04.520 --> 01:46:06.279 He might have been working with the CIA, but it 2150 01:46:06.319 --> 01:46:08.760 seems more like he was manipulating, manipulated and handled by 2151 01:46:08.800 --> 01:46:11.520 the CIA. But his underlying position was with OH and 2152 01:46:11.600 --> 01:46:14.760 I Intelligence. Yeah, and that's that that makes sense with 2153 01:46:14.840 --> 01:46:17.000 the Banister connections, you know, because Banister would have been 2154 01:46:17.039 --> 01:46:17.880 in on this loop through. 2155 01:46:17.800 --> 01:46:21.640 O and I. That is that confirmed that Banister was 2156 01:46:21.840 --> 01:46:25.000 OH and I. I've just thought it was just kind 2157 01:46:25.039 --> 01:46:27.520 of rumors put out there by other folks. 2158 01:46:28.520 --> 01:46:30.319 It's in his obituary that he was in the navy 2159 01:46:30.479 --> 01:46:34.600 and so okay, wow, Cory Well and he was in 2160 01:46:34.880 --> 01:46:36.560 his obituary he talked, they talked about how he was 2161 01:46:36.600 --> 01:46:38.560 in the Scottish Right and all that stuff. Also, and 2162 01:46:38.640 --> 01:46:40.439 I'm telling you there is a naval connect There was 2163 01:46:40.439 --> 01:46:42.399 a naval intelligence Scottish Right connection. 2164 01:46:42.800 --> 01:46:43.119 There is. 2165 01:46:43.199 --> 01:46:45.079 I can't figure it out, but I've come across at 2166 01:46:45.159 --> 01:46:47.760 least three different people in this in the background of 2167 01:46:47.800 --> 01:46:51.000 the story who are naval intelligence connected to this Scottish 2168 01:46:51.079 --> 01:46:53.199 Right And so I keep thinking, I can't help but 2169 01:46:53.279 --> 01:46:56.760 think that there's this is where you know, intelligence people 2170 01:46:56.880 --> 01:47:00.800 get to conspire with non intelligence people through the secret societies. 2171 01:47:01.720 --> 01:47:03.560 Corey, thanks love for your time. Man, I'll let you go. 2172 01:47:04.000 --> 01:47:04.279 Problem