Speaker 1: And back with Corey Hughes for a series of mailback questions.
Speaker 1: So Corey, let's just jump in sure this is from
Speaker 1: Schuler D seven six four four. I keep seeing Corey
Speaker 1: Hughes express surprise at the idea of Oswald speaking little
Speaker 1: or known Russian well in Russia and taking it as
Speaker 1: evidence that Oswald didn't actually speak Russian. Corey, isn't the
Speaker 1: whole point of sending a double slash false Oswald to
Speaker 1: Russia that he can listen to all the Russia Russian
Speaker 1: being spoken around him without letting on that he understands it.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't think so at all.
Speaker 2: And so I spent a lot of time trying to
Speaker 2: figure out where the Russian you know, aspect of this
Speaker 2: came in and the Russian language speaking. I would separate
Speaker 2: from the interest in communism because we have two somewhat
Speaker 2: anomalous instances of him talking communism. One in fifty three
Speaker 2: in North Dakota with Henry Timmer right, and then we
Speaker 2: have the Palmer McBride's stuff where Oswald was allegedly kicked
Speaker 2: out of one of the meetings for the New Orleans
Speaker 2: Astronomers Club by the guy who was hosting its father
Speaker 2: because he couldn't take Oswald talking about communism anymore. And
Speaker 2: that happened in nineteen fifty eight, early fifty eight. And
Speaker 2: so those are two the only two communist instances that
Speaker 2: you'll have period until March of nineteen fifty nine. And
Speaker 2: then March of nineteen fifty nine is when you start
Speaker 2: to see Oswald talking, reading the communist books, getting the
Speaker 2: newsletter at the marine base at Santa Ana. And so
Speaker 2: it's really nobody can place Oswald as being interested in
Speaker 2: communism or speaking Russian really until this time period. And
Speaker 2: that's when it continues through, you know, the end of
Speaker 2: his marine career in September of fifty nine. But the Oswald,
Speaker 2: whether or not he actually spoke Russian, this is kind
Speaker 2: of what I'm piecing together. John Armstrong had put forth
Speaker 2: a theory, and he kind of stuck to this theory
Speaker 2: that he believed that the two Oswalds, one of them
Speaker 2: was imported from either a concentration camp or some Eastern
Speaker 2: Bloc country post World War Two, brought here already speaking Russian.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that's true at all. There's really the
Speaker 2: evidence for that is very minimal at best, and there's
Speaker 2: far more evidence for me that the two Oswalds were brothers,
Speaker 2: which eliminates the possibility of a Russian speaker, right, the
Speaker 2: zero evidence that he had any kind of accent or
Speaker 2: anything growing up, right, So that kind of goes out
Speaker 2: the window. And so then you get into the statements
Speaker 2: of people who were in the Marines with him at
Speaker 2: Santa Ana. And the Santa Anna Bass was a CIA base,
Speaker 2: like straight up, it was a helicopter base that was
Speaker 2: six miles from the El Toro main base. Okay, so
Speaker 2: everything that goes on there is suspect. And so you
Speaker 2: have Marines who are saying that they saw Oswald listening
Speaker 2: to Russian records and reading Russian newspapers and then looking
Speaker 2: up the words in the Russian English dictionary. Okay. Now,
Speaker 2: there has been some highly well, highly discussed speculation regarding
Speaker 2: whether or not Oswald was sent to the language Academy
Speaker 2: at Monterey, right, which is what San Francisco, And so
Speaker 2: I kind of dismissed that for a long time. But
Speaker 2: then when I really got a grip on the timeline,
Speaker 2: what you have is Oswald returns from the Far East
Speaker 2: December twenty second, and then he goes on a break,
Speaker 2: goes to Fort Worthses his brother, and then he's back
Speaker 2: in Santa Anna by like the second week of January.
Speaker 2: But then from there until mid March, for about two
Speaker 2: months he's not at Santa Anna. He is sent to Yuma, Arizona,
Speaker 2: and he sent to allegedly some kind of drills off
Speaker 2: the coast of California. I forget if it was I
Speaker 2: forget if it was north or south. But so you
Speaker 2: have a two month period where Oswald pretty much is
Speaker 2: unaccounted for because we don't have detailed information on what
Speaker 2: went on in Yuma or these drills that he allegedly went.
Speaker 2: So between mid January and mid March, we have basically
Speaker 2: we got to they could have done anything with him.
Speaker 2: And when you really come to understand how the marine
Speaker 2: diaries are written and the duty rosters, they have substitute
Speaker 2: information in places like all the radar stuff was top secret,
Speaker 2: So no one is on record as having been at Biloxi,
Speaker 2: but they're they're usually at like Casco HQ in Alexandria,
Speaker 2: or there's a couple other places that they list when
Speaker 2: you were out doing something they didn't want on the
Speaker 2: official record. Right, So we really don't know what Oswald
Speaker 2: was doing for those two months between January and March
Speaker 2: of fifty nine. And this is if he went to
Speaker 2: the Monterey School at all. This is when it would
Speaker 2: have been, and so I don't know much about that school.
Speaker 2: From what I've heard, it's a very intense crash course
Speaker 2: on how to speak the language, and you kind of
Speaker 2: get out of it with a basic understanding of how
Speaker 2: the language works and a better ability to pick it
Speaker 2: up in a quick manner. So then what he you
Speaker 2: have from from mid March until September. He's doing all
Speaker 2: this trying to learn the Russian language by reading the
Speaker 2: books and stuff. One thing that confuses me is they
Speaker 2: would do these like little variety shows just to entertain
Speaker 2: themselves in the marine barracks, and Oswald would get up
Speaker 2: and he would speak in Russian, and people said he
Speaker 2: they thought he spoke fluent Russian. But this is from
Speaker 2: people who didn't speak Russian. So what was he doing
Speaker 2: at those times? How well was his Russian there? Then
Speaker 2: he gets to the Soviet Union and I haven't done
Speaker 2: my intense study on the Soviet Union yet. I have
Speaker 2: to finish my next book and then I'm going to
Speaker 2: spend probably a year on that. But from what I've
Speaker 2: come to understand, when he goes to Russia, he doesn't
Speaker 2: really understand. He doesn't speak Russian to any of his
Speaker 2: friends there. And Marina makes the comment that she would
Speaker 2: get cigarettes from her American friends in the Soviet Union.
Speaker 2: What American friends? What are you talking about? American friends? Right?
Speaker 2: So obviously you got other English speakers. So I kind
Speaker 2: of got thet I kind of took from that he
Speaker 2: didn't speak much Russian, and there's really no evidence that
Speaker 2: he spoke much Russian. And I have a recording of
Speaker 2: him speaking in Russia speaking English, right, And so I
Speaker 2: don't That's kind of what I put together that they
Speaker 2: say he's fluent when he gets back, And the only
Speaker 2: thing that makes sense to me is that he possibly
Speaker 2: went to the language school, you know, studied the Russian
Speaker 2: language independently for a couple months, gets to Russia, and
Speaker 2: when he hooks up at Marina, I'm kind of assuming
Speaker 2: that that is where he kind of learned more Russian,
Speaker 2: was more comfortable with speaking it. But then again, I
Speaker 2: have to go back and reanalyze all the statements of
Speaker 2: people who say he spoke fluent Russian like Peter and
Speaker 2: Paul Gregory and these guys who there's something up with
Speaker 2: those guys, and I don't know what yet, but I'll
Speaker 2: get to it eventually. But I have to realize the
Speaker 2: statements of people who said he spoke fluent Russian when
Speaker 2: he got back to America, because I don't know how
Speaker 2: true that is. And so, yeah, that's pretty much my
Speaker 2: take on his Russian language stuff. It probably started in
Speaker 2: the Marines and then continued in Soviet Union, and then
Speaker 2: he's considered fluent when he gets back. So that's kind
Speaker 2: of what I put together. But no, the whole purpose
Speaker 2: of going on the the Soviet Union, from what I
Speaker 2: can tell, was just to go there because they had
Speaker 2: dozens of false defectors and each one of them. The
Speaker 2: Russians aren't stupid, they know what's going on. They had
Speaker 2: people on these guys all the time. And so how
Speaker 2: many resources for years did they just burn?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And I ask part of what it was getting them
Speaker 2: a chase their tail for years because there was no
Speaker 2: appical there was no actual intelligence that ever came from
Speaker 2: any of that. What the diagrams and sketches of the
Speaker 2: radio factory give me a break. Who cares, right, So
Speaker 2: I mean it's to me, it's yeah, nothing ever came
Speaker 2: of that, and so I think there's nothing supposed to
Speaker 2: come to that. That to me seems the whole purpose
Speaker 2: of the false defector program.
Speaker 1: Let's stick with this. It's a good segue. This is
Speaker 1: from sid Hatfield. I'll agree with Corey's assessment of Armstrong.
Speaker 1: John has done tremendous work which helps explain so many
Speaker 1: of the discrepancies that we've been aware of throughout the years.
Speaker 1: But I do not agree with a number of Armstrong's
Speaker 1: conclusions in quite a few areas. May Brussel also felt
Speaker 1: that Oswalt's fake defection to the Soviet Union went operational
Speaker 1: in order to bring Marina, who she felt must have
Speaker 1: been Brussel, who Brussel felt must have been related to
Speaker 1: someone in Dallas's white Russian community, to the United States
Speaker 1: talking to Marina. The fact that Marina was contacted by
Speaker 1: another apparent American agent whose name I forgot right around
Speaker 1: the time that she met Oswald lends credence to that suspicion.
Speaker 1: I don't know if she's referring to Rob Robert webs Okay.
Speaker 1: I also think that the fact that Oswald relocated to
Speaker 1: Meansk and spent time there working for the Zeyger family,
Speaker 1: who later immigrated to Argentina, where a number of Nazis
Speaker 1: are known to have fled to after World War Two,
Speaker 1: makes me believe that Oswald mingled with the fascist white
Speaker 1: Russian Nazi while in the Soviet Union, a net network
Speaker 1: of those individuals. It's telling that Oswald and Marina were
Speaker 1: greeted by Spas t Rackin of the World Anti Communist
Speaker 1: League upon their arrival back to the US. The idea
Speaker 1: that Oswald was in contact with a fascist network of
Speaker 1: Gallon agents inside of the Soviet Union never occurred to
Speaker 1: John Armstrong, But then he's not an ex on the
Speaker 1: twentieth century history of Eastern Europe. You want to comment
Speaker 1: on any.
Speaker 2: Of that, Yeah, these are all excellent points. Now, Honestly,
Speaker 2: I don't think that Oswald was ever in the loop
Speaker 2: on understanding what was going on at a high level.
Speaker 2: I don't think that he was. He might have. He
Speaker 2: was probably manipulated and told to do things, but whether
Speaker 2: he knew why he was doing them or whatever, doesn't
Speaker 2: I don't really think so. Well, the more I come
Speaker 2: to understand Oswald, I feel like his whole life, he
Speaker 2: was kind of manipulated, used for various purposes, and really
Speaker 2: was never in on the joke, right. I think that
Speaker 2: he was just kind of told to do this and
Speaker 2: that without really necessarily knowing why did he have an
Speaker 2: alternative reason for going, Meaning bringing Marina back was at
Speaker 2: the point of the whole trip. It's possible I don't
Speaker 2: know enough about Marina's connections to the white Russians to
Speaker 2: say it thing about that, although I have learned in
Speaker 2: this story nothing is outside the pale, everything is on
Speaker 2: the table. So that's something now that I'm aware of
Speaker 2: that I will might make a point to look into
Speaker 2: that when I get to the Russia stuff. But I
Speaker 2: have a feeling that there's a lot of behind the
Speaker 2: scenes stuff, even in regards to the false defector program,
Speaker 2: that we just don't aren't aware of, and so it's
Speaker 2: hard to make a judgment on. But I bet I
Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised if Oswald was just unwitting and everything
Speaker 2: he was told to do, because I'm convinced that he
Speaker 2: went to Russia I was told to do basically, go
Speaker 2: get a job and do nothing and just hang out.
Speaker 2: And then once he gets back to the States. With
Speaker 2: the exception of the fair Play for Cuba Committee stuff
Speaker 2: in New Orleans, it seems as though he was just
Speaker 2: given these kind of front jobs. Whether he worked at
Speaker 2: them or not, I still haven't figured out, just kind
Speaker 2: of and I feel like he was left in waiting
Speaker 2: his whole life. His whole life, he's waiting for something,
Speaker 2: waiting for whatever. And I feel like the only operational
Speaker 2: stuff we can say Oswald was doing was that fair
Speaker 2: Play for Cuba Committee stuff. Outside of that, it seems
Speaker 2: like he was just kind of left out to dry,
Speaker 2: and you know, I think that probably caused some frustration
Speaker 2: in him. And so like when he's being asked at
Speaker 2: the you know, on the press conference and they're talking
Speaker 2: to him, he gets that look on his face, like
Speaker 2: he gets a look on his face like everything just
Speaker 2: hit him at once. What happened. His whole life just
Speaker 2: fell into place at once, and he realized that he'd
Speaker 2: been set up for goddamn ever, right, and like his
Speaker 2: whole life was just a big waste. That's what that
Speaker 2: When I see that face on television, that's what I see.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, let's you know, let's take a break here
Speaker 1: for a second and just say, you know, folks, Corey,
Speaker 1: where's the best way for people to get your work?
Speaker 1: Where do you want people to go? Do you want
Speaker 1: them go to Amazon or is there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Amazon is the best place for the book. And
Speaker 2: if you want to listen to my podcast, it's Corey's
Speaker 2: Bloody History, available everywhere. So my podcast is very different.
Speaker 2: I don't really do a general podcast for the average listener.
Speaker 2: The people who live of my stuff are dedicated because
Speaker 2: I just sit there and I read documents. No normal
Speaker 2: person is going to listen to me reading fourteen parts
Speaker 2: of Kerry Thornleigh documents, right, you know. So I only
Speaker 2: really recommend my podcast for the more serious researchers because
Speaker 2: it's a great resource to just listen to and not
Speaker 2: have to spend the time reading it yourself, you know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, my book is really where I want everyone
Speaker 2: to go. A warning from history. I'll be working on
Speaker 2: the second edition here in the next year, the next
Speaker 2: couple of months, once I finished this second book, because
Speaker 2: there's a couple of things I need to update, and
Speaker 2: I'm putting out a second edition with all the all
Speaker 2: of the pictures and documents and all this stuff. It's
Speaker 2: going to be a Monster, probably two volumes, but yeah,
Speaker 2: go to Amazon and get the book for both of them.
Speaker 1: This is sid hat This is sid Hatfield again. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll point out right away that Corey doesn't apparently know
Speaker 1: what Zionism is all that, all that Zionism is is
Speaker 1: an iteration of fascist doctrine. It's Jewish fascism, that's all.
Speaker 1: There's nothing more to it than that. And it was
Speaker 1: hitler'sess that laid the foundation for the creation of Israel
Speaker 1: with their emigration program of so called German Jewry to Palestine,
Speaker 1: which began about nineteen thirty six.
Speaker 2: Well, the Hvar Agreement was nineteen thirty three, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: Either way Hitler, let me say, so, you have the
Speaker 2: Zionists and people are like, well, some people think that
Speaker 2: he was like a Zionist puppet, which is ridiculous. The
Speaker 2: enemy of my enemy is my friend, right, And so
Speaker 2: basically Zionists are not pro Jewish, they're pro Zionists. They
Speaker 2: want to relate replace Judaism with Zionism, which is basically, well,
Speaker 2: you have on paper with Zionism in is but ultimately
Speaker 2: it's a plot to take over the world. It all
Speaker 2: goes back to their occultic nonsense and how and their
Speaker 2: supremacy supremacy views and all of all the rest of
Speaker 2: us are cattle. And so that's ultimately what Zionism is. Yes,
Speaker 2: it is Jewish FASTI fascism for sure, but ultimately it
Speaker 2: is the most destructive ideology the world's ever seen. It's
Speaker 2: leading to the destruction of Palace Stein, as we've seen
Speaker 2: in the murder of how many people. And so, yeah,
Speaker 2: I understand what he's saying, and he's not wrong, but
Speaker 2: he's not completely correct and saying I don't know what
Speaker 2: zion is.
Speaker 1: It is, so you know, I just I'm not endorsing
Speaker 1: it or anything, but it just there's an upcoming film,
Speaker 1: Palestine thirty six, which is about the Arab revolt. I
Speaker 1: think it's made by a Palestinian woman filmmaker. So I
Speaker 1: saw the trailer to that recently and it looks it
Speaker 1: looks really good. This is at freezing wreck. Corey Hughes
Speaker 1: might have a good idea of what happened that we're
Speaker 1: moving into the TSBD here on this question. He might
Speaker 1: have a good idea what happened, but he keeps saying
Speaker 1: it's simple and it all fits. I'm sorry, but does
Speaker 1: he ever listen to himself even if every word of
Speaker 1: it were to be true, It's convoluted as hell. I
Speaker 1: think there were Oswald impersonators, and you you do mention
Speaker 1: that by the way you do say I know, I know,
Speaker 1: I'm sounding crazy right now. I think there were Oswald impersonators,
Speaker 1: But that automatically makes the truth convoluted. Also, having the
Speaker 1: impostor be the worker book depository, yet having the real
Speaker 1: Oswald except that story as some sort of cover is
Speaker 1: convoluted as hell. Corey himself seems perplexed by the naturally
Speaker 1: if I work in that building.
Speaker 2: Line right right, right, So, yeah, the whole thing is complex.
Speaker 2: And when I say it's simple and straightforward, what I
Speaker 2: really am saying is when you grasp the totality of
Speaker 2: all the players, and you understand New Orleans, you understand
Speaker 2: the relationship to Chicago Mob, you understand the relationship to
Speaker 2: the LA Mob. You understand how all of these people
Speaker 2: are intimately connected through people like Jack Ruby and David Ferry.
Speaker 2: Then the relationships between all the various parties seem they
Speaker 2: come together primarily through the Mob aspect myri Lansky, right,
Speaker 2: And then we have perman Decks, which who sat on
Speaker 2: the board of permandecks, Joe Bonano and Modalits, Right, those
Speaker 2: guys are like, those guys are big players in the
Speaker 2: American mafia scene, right, And so all that then flows
Speaker 2: down to Marcelo and New Orleans and Traffacante and Tampa
Speaker 2: and Giancana in Chicago and even the Mickey Cohen crowd
Speaker 2: out in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So the interconnected web to me is very much present.
Speaker 2: That's why when people say things like Roscoe White was
Speaker 2: a shooter, or this guy was a shooter, or that
Speaker 2: guy was a shooter, I'm like, they don't fit into
Speaker 2: this web anywhere. I'm like, the reason I'm so quick
Speaker 2: to exclude people because they do not fit this web
Speaker 2: of convolution anywhere. There's no information that links them to
Speaker 2: this immediate crowd. No, you might have cia people are
Speaker 2: saying we're shooters, but you can't link them to any
Speaker 2: one of these people outside this web of characters that
Speaker 2: we've assembled, right, And so I'm sorry I forgot the
Speaker 2: original question.
Speaker 1: They had a question. He was just he was saying
Speaker 1: it was convoluted as hell.
Speaker 2: It is convoluted. But when you really come to understand
Speaker 2: the big landscape, and you understand and the fact that
Speaker 2: A they use body doubles. B it's all tradecraft. You know,
Speaker 2: you kind of understand how this thing was pulled together.
Speaker 2: And then when you look at the setup of Oswald
Speaker 2: in New Orleans, clearly CIA the trail through you know,
Speaker 2: Joe Anitas to Gauday to getting Oswald on TV all
Speaker 2: CIA setup, right, so yeah, right corporate. So once you
Speaker 2: understand this larger landscape, it's like, Okay, I can see
Speaker 2: what they did there, all right, I got you over
Speaker 2: that's what they did over here, and it and it
Speaker 2: all makes sense and falls into place. And that's why
Speaker 2: I say sometimes it's pretty straightforward when it's not.
Speaker 1: And that's where and that's where you possibly lose folks
Speaker 1: because for years you have folks who are accepting what
Speaker 1: has been presented, not I'm not even talking about the
Speaker 1: Warren Report. I'm talking about other research that is presented,
Speaker 1: and you're trying to understand what you're seeing is not
Speaker 1: at all kind of reality. You know, there's there's so
Speaker 1: much more. There are more dynamics going on that you're
Speaker 1: trying to bring out of those shadows. And I think
Speaker 1: that's what's confusing people because it's a cognitive dissonance. Your
Speaker 1: presentation of what happened is is just it's kind of
Speaker 1: mind blowing for people, I think, and I think we're
Speaker 1: struggling to kind of to pick.
Speaker 2: Up right, keep up with you. Well, So a lot
Speaker 2: of my research I started to realize that when it
Speaker 2: came to like the assassination day and where people were
Speaker 2: and stuff, I started to realize that people were lying,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, why are you lying if you weren't there,
Speaker 2: what's it doing? What's going on here? Like Lauren Hall,
Speaker 2: he has an alibi about being at like Hudson Medical
Speaker 2: Equipment Supply applying for a job, right or something like that. Oh,
Speaker 2: he met with a guy named Hudson who was with
Speaker 2: this IP medical supply at in la And then that
Speaker 2: was bunk. That ended up being the I recanted his statement,
Speaker 2: you know. And then you have David Ferry who just
Speaker 2: none of David Fairy's story about the Winterland never made
Speaker 2: mey sense. And so as I'm reading and I'm like,
Speaker 2: what is happening here? And it really took me a
Speaker 2: while before I realized, oh my god, people are saying
Speaker 2: there are certain people when they're not right, Like, clearly
Speaker 2: David Ferry never went to the Winterland, but somebody was there, right.
Speaker 2: And then when I realized who his inner circle was, right,
Speaker 2: and then you go by the descriptions given by Rule
Speaker 2: Lawn Truck Roland, It's like, oh, obviously it was Arcacha
Speaker 2: who went to Winterland, and he obviously was already close
Speaker 2: with Leyton Martin's and Alvin Boboof and those other guys.
Speaker 2: That's why they you know, it wouldn't be a random
Speaker 2: person who's going to impersonate Ferry, it would be an
Speaker 2: inner circle guy, right. And so once I started realizing
Speaker 2: that a lot of people were not where they said
Speaker 2: they were, I realized that the whole I was looking
Speaker 2: at the whole thing wrong. Just because someone said they
Speaker 2: were somewhere doesn't mean that they were right. And that
Speaker 2: became a big part of me understanding that Oswald was
Speaker 2: being impersonated, and even Jack Ruby had his brother Sam
Speaker 2: impersonating him, and like everybody's being impersonated, and where does
Speaker 2: any impersonation ever come into the official story? Nowhere, not
Speaker 2: at all. And then the thing that really bothered me
Speaker 2: the most, and this still bothers me, the most simple
Speaker 2: things like pattern recognition of the sightings of Oswald. How
Speaker 2: many sightings of Oswald do we have where he's with
Speaker 2: a large husky Latin with a pockmark face. We got
Speaker 2: at least a half a dozen, right, And so I
Speaker 2: don't understand how the relations how people William Seymour in
Speaker 2: numerous writings people said he looked like Oswald, and even
Speaker 2: Lawrence Howard said he resembled Oswald. And then when you
Speaker 2: come to understand the relationship between Seymour and Lawrence Howard
Speaker 2: and who Lawrence Howard is in his description the real
Speaker 2: minute you realize that Lawrence Howard is a large husky
Speaker 2: Latin who's got a pockmark face, moles on his face,
Speaker 2: he fills in a half a dozen gaps instantly, right,
Speaker 2: And then it should have been a no brainer for
Speaker 2: the Oswald hanging out with Lawrence Howard to have been
Speaker 2: William Seymour. Right. Even Howard gave that clue when he
Speaker 2: was interviewed. So to me, these things that are pretty obvious,
Speaker 2: did it really take sixty years and someone like me
Speaker 2: to figure it out? What kind of cruel world is this?
Speaker 1: Why do researchers shy from who the shooters are?
Speaker 2: Then I don't know, and it bothers me a lot,
Speaker 2: Like I just started reading James Douglas's book on JFK,
Speaker 2: The Unspeakable.
Speaker 1: Have you read before?
Speaker 2: No, I have not. I'm about one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: pages in, and my disappointment grows with every page. On
Speaker 2: his very first page of his introduction, he makes the
Speaker 2: statement that discussing the large scale operation of the assassination
Speaker 2: is far more important than what happened on the ground.
Speaker 2: In Daily Plaza, he says that on page one of
Speaker 2: his introductions, the split.
Speaker 1: Sation, I think a lot of people think that. I
Speaker 1: think Corey, I.
Speaker 2: Think that's wrong. I think it's blatantly wrong because when
Speaker 2: you look at it from that angle, you got fifty
Speaker 2: million CIA conspirators and you can't connect almost any of
Speaker 2: them to the damn assassination. So looking at it from
Speaker 2: that perspective is wrong. And the reason I went after
Speaker 2: the shooters is because once you trace the shooters and
Speaker 2: reverse engineer their handlers, you can see exactly who was
Speaker 2: in the line of of the chain of command. Right. So,
Speaker 2: but then you have this conspiracy layer where there's like
Speaker 2: all those fifty million CIA agents that you can't really
Speaker 2: link to anything. I just call them the conspiracy layer.
Speaker 2: Who's in that Dallas Angleton, all the top guys at CIA,
Speaker 2: who do I take out of that conspiracy layer? Jam Wave?
Speaker 2: Clearly all in Daily Plaza directly linked to the handling
Speaker 2: of New Orleans. Right, So, uh, what was the question?
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you about Douglass real quick. You
Speaker 1: know his thesis is about JFK one and piece.
Speaker 2: Okay, So so.
Speaker 1: He has he talked about Demona yet.
Speaker 2: I haven't gotten I haven't gotten that far in the book.
Speaker 2: He doesn't talk about that, okay. So one thing that
Speaker 2: really bothered me is offload. A lot of researchers offload
Speaker 2: their research to other researchers and just take them at
Speaker 2: face value. And you can't do that. Like one example,
Speaker 2: I think he references Oswald going to being at five
Speaker 2: point forty four Camp Street with Guy Banister and giving
Speaker 2: an office on the second floor, and he obviously didn't
Speaker 2: research at himself. He took that from somebody else. Because
Speaker 2: I believe that's one hundred percent wrong. We can clearly
Speaker 2: put the relationship between Kerry Thornley and Guy Banister going
Speaker 2: back to like late sixty one, right, So carry Thornley
Speaker 2: is connected to LSU Professor Martin mccauliffe through Joyce Tally.
Speaker 2: Joyce Tally probably a Cia Honey Potter hangaround or something.
Speaker 2: And then Martin mccaulliffe wants to meet Carry Thornley over
Speaker 2: his book about Oswald The Idle Warriors, which to me
Speaker 2: is like unbelievable, it's a bad cover story. And then
Speaker 2: Martin mccaulliffe likes the book so much he wants to
Speaker 2: introduce him to Guy Banister, and so we have the
Speaker 2: definitive relationship between Kerry Thornley and Guy Banister going back
Speaker 2: to late sixty one. By summer sixty two he puts
Speaker 2: himself in the company of David Ferry and a whole
Speaker 2: crew over there, right, so we've got this huge relationship
Speaker 2: between Carry Thornley and this New Orleans crew and Douglas Jones.
Speaker 2: Basically to Wiseberg pointed out that it was Kerry Thry
Speaker 2: who picked up the flyers from him. He identified four
Speaker 2: pictures of Kerry Thornley, even one with Kerry Thornley with
Speaker 2: the beard, and said, this is the guy who picked
Speaker 2: up the flyers. So obviously Kerry Thornley was managing the
Speaker 2: fair play for Cuba Committee project, right, And how do
Speaker 2: we know this? Another do we also know this because
Speaker 2: the name he put on the on the paperwork. He
Speaker 2: liked to use names of people who are in the
Speaker 2: Marines with Oswald. He used the name Osborne Leon Osbourne,
Speaker 2: Osbourne Mac Osborne was in the MACS unit at Santa Ana.
Speaker 2: And so for anyone to say that Oswald was at
Speaker 2: five forty four Camp Street, I'm calling bullshit because you're
Speaker 2: not gonna let your guy you're setting up walk around
Speaker 2: the belly of the operation. It's not gonna happen. So
Speaker 2: every reference I see to Oswald hanging out at five
Speaker 2: forty four Camp Street, to me just shows a very
Speaker 2: shallow level of research. And I've caught two or three
Speaker 2: times that Douglas has done this and offloaded his research
Speaker 2: to someone else and just referenced him because it supported
Speaker 2: whatever thesis he was going with at the time. Now,
Speaker 2: should you quote other researchers, absolutely, but you got to
Speaker 2: go into their work and you got to figure out
Speaker 2: the real story. And this is why I'm a big
Speaker 2: forget it, just going right to the documents and skipping
Speaker 2: people's books, because you'll get you'll get sidetracked with people's
Speaker 2: opinions on stuff, right, to be a total hypocrite because
Speaker 2: I wrote a book and I want you to get
Speaker 2: sidetracked on my opinions, right, So take that as you will.
Speaker 2: But no, so Douglas. He wrote this epic book and
Speaker 2: it's like small print. Man, it's like tiny print, and
Speaker 2: it's a lot. It's a huge book. Is if you
Speaker 2: know nothing about the assassination or that era, yes, read
Speaker 2: the book and it'll teach you a ton, But if
Speaker 2: you already know a lot of that stuff, to me,
Speaker 2: the book has gotten I've gotten zero value out of
Speaker 2: it thus far. And I don't mean to just be
Speaker 2: counter to the flow of you know, popular opinion, but
Speaker 2: I'm just critical of these people who didn't take the
Speaker 2: time on certain areas where they should have. And this
Speaker 2: is a big problem I have with Kennedy Research, as
Speaker 2: they don't focus on the micro details and they take
Speaker 2: things for granted like the whole Like the Clinton voter
Speaker 2: registration incident. Everyone is convinced Oswald was at Clinton. No
Speaker 2: possibility Oswald was at Clinton. And we know this because
Speaker 2: you go into the backstory of Clinton. There's two or
Speaker 2: three incidents that led up to it, which proof it
Speaker 2: wasn't Oswald because he was driving a car and all
Speaker 2: this stuff and you know. So, yeah, the Clinton voter
Speaker 2: registration incident, fascinating incident. Clearly Kerrie Thornley. And the reason
Speaker 2: I want to know why they were doing it because
Speaker 2: he was trying to get a job at Jackson Hospital
Speaker 2: and he spent like a month trying to build up
Speaker 2: to Clinton to get a job at the Jackson Hospital.
Speaker 2: Why yes or somebody, Yeah, it was. I'm convinced it
Speaker 2: was Thornley. Obviously we can't prove that. But why were
Speaker 2: they trying to get somebody into Jackson? Why? What could
Speaker 2: possibly be going on there? Well, the only thing that
Speaker 2: I can think of is that Oswald had an aunt
Speaker 2: named Pearl, Pearl Claverie, who was Marguerite's sister. Who was
Speaker 2: she was there and she died there in August of
Speaker 2: that same Yearly, it was only like two months later
Speaker 2: that they were starting to set up this whole thing
Speaker 2: to get into Jackson. So I don't know what that
Speaker 2: was about. No one will ever know what that's about,
Speaker 2: and that drives me crazy. So what was going on
Speaker 2: at Jackson in August of sixty three or September of
Speaker 2: sixty three that they needed to get into because that's
Speaker 2: a side that's like a side quest to the main game.
Speaker 2: They like that whole story. Really, I can't seem to
Speaker 2: connect to the main Kennedy story. I just can't see
Speaker 2: other than this connection to Oswald's aunt. But yeah, people
Speaker 2: who just assume it is Oswald and it's not, you
Speaker 2: got to really dig deep into the documents and the
Speaker 2: surrounding circumstances to realize that it was in Oswald.
Speaker 1: So, okay, this is from Time Magazine actually March twenty fourth,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven, and it's Time recounting Perry Russo's grand
Speaker 1: jury testimony from two days earlier. And I'll follow if
Speaker 1: it's my question at the end here. So this is
Speaker 1: Time magazine triangulation of Crossfire. Garrison star performer was Baton
Speaker 1: Rouge insurance salesman Perry Raymond Russo, twenty five, who seemed
Speaker 1: a perfect witness for the prosecution until the defense began
Speaker 1: questioning him. Russo said that in September nineteen sixty three,
Speaker 1: he heard a plot to kill Kennedy revealed during the
Speaker 1: late night party at the New Orleans apartment of David Ferry,
Speaker 1: the ex Airline pilot who died last month. Also present
Speaker 1: were two men whom Russo knew as Clem Bertrand and
Speaker 1: Leon Oswald. Russo said he saw he had seen Oswald,
Speaker 1: who was half shaven and dirty, once before, in Ferry's apartment,
Speaker 1: cleaning a rifle like the rifle found in the Texas
Speaker 1: Book Depository. The weapon had a bold action telescopic lens.
Speaker 1: During the nineteen sixty three party, Russo testified, Fairy paced
Speaker 1: up and down. We've seen this played out and as
Speaker 1: Joe Passion doing it in JFK, throwing out ideas about
Speaker 1: triangulation of crossfire, the need for more than one gunman
Speaker 1: in the assassination attempt, and the probability that one of
Speaker 1: those there on the scene would be a kind of scapegoat.
Speaker 1: One had to be sacrificed. That was a quote discussing
Speaker 1: escape routes. Ferry suggested flying to Brazil with a refueling
Speaker 1: stopover in Mexico or directly to Cuba. Played in court
Speaker 1: later was a television interview that Russo gave to a
Speaker 1: Baton Rouge station last month, in which he quoted Ferry
Speaker 1: as sank only a month before the assassin. We will
Speaker 1: get him and it won't be very long question for you, Corey,
Speaker 1: So is this coming from Ferry at this point or
Speaker 1: is he speaking for Bender in the idea of Jewish
Speaker 1: agency masade, et cetera.
Speaker 2: No, I think he's definitely speaking for himself. The connections
Speaker 2: to all that are obviously through Clayshaw. Clay Shaw sat
Speaker 2: on the board permandex and CMC. That connects him to
Speaker 2: everybody right there. Permandex is is the I consider it
Speaker 2: the oversight board of the assassination. But really that to
Speaker 2: me was the proof that the Masad, Cia mafia and
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of other organizations all worked together in
Speaker 2: this illegal cabal. It was kind of like the Safari
Speaker 2: Club in seventy nine, the CIA outside the CIA. And
Speaker 2: we know the funding for Permandex came from Seligman and Schroeder,
Speaker 2: organized by Alan Dulles, right, And so you plug Clayshaw
Speaker 2: into that, and what does that tell you? He was
Speaker 2: a lot more than just some low level agent dealing
Speaker 2: with Latin America or whatever international trade. That guy was
Speaker 2: a major player for them to put him in that
Speaker 2: position in the first place, And to me, that's where
Speaker 2: it connects and then you have these so you have
Speaker 2: different levels of the motivation. Becomes irrelevant really because you
Speaker 2: have you have multiple motivations. The guys who pulled the
Speaker 2: trigger have a different motivation than the guys who gave
Speaker 2: the order. I mean clearly, whether it's money or they
Speaker 2: hated Kennedy or whatever it was. The motivations don't have
Speaker 2: to align.
Speaker 1: But the unifying element, you would argue, would be what
Speaker 1: then if there were different motivations but they had the
Speaker 1: same intent, where does that What links that then to it?
Speaker 2: The need to get rid of Kennedy. Kennedy's death itself
Speaker 2: was the one overlap and for different reasons, maybe revenge,
Speaker 2: maybe they prevent change. You know, it really didn't matter
Speaker 2: because they were all They were all willing to do it.
Speaker 2: So I believe David Ferry was very much an unwilling
Speaker 2: participant in a lot of the stuff that he did.
Speaker 2: They have blackmail on him. I'm going through his file
Speaker 2: once again. It's funny. I've read these files so many
Speaker 2: times and I always find new stuff. It's wild.
Speaker 1: But David, everyone should note what you just said for
Speaker 1: researchers and what I and I have to mention this
Speaker 1: before I forget. Have you ever thought about being an educator?
Speaker 2: I I hate the answer I'm going to give you,
Speaker 2: but I haven't. But if the money's on the table,
Speaker 2: I'm willing to do whatever.
Speaker 1: So you know, you would be a great teacher because
Speaker 1: a lot of and I've seen you in your podcast
Speaker 1: and you want to encourage people to learn research. Yes,
Speaker 1: because it's and what you just said about going back
Speaker 1: and reviewing the files, even though you've already done it,
Speaker 1: you're still learning things.
Speaker 2: I've read some documents like ten times, Like the David
Speaker 2: Ferry file, I've read through in its entirety, all seven
Speaker 2: hundred or eight hundred pages at least three or four times.
Speaker 2: And this time I went through it, I knew that
Speaker 2: he had they had blackmail on him, but what I
Speaker 2: realized was that they had a party one night and
Speaker 2: they had I'm not going to use their terminology, but
Speaker 2: they had three black girls there. The implication is that
Speaker 2: they were under age, and that there were film and
Speaker 2: pictures of David Ferry having sex with one of them,
Speaker 2: and his house was broken into and those films and
Speaker 2: the pictures were stolen, and so I'm convinced he was
Speaker 2: being and he told Brocheers. Reverend Brochers later that he
Speaker 2: was being blackmailed, and so I think that he was
Speaker 2: being blackmailed. But I think it didn't matter when it
Speaker 2: came to Kennedy because he was on board with that.
Speaker 1: You know. Anyone who talks about you know, like Propinquity
Speaker 1: and others who mentioned Faery as being a really nice
Speaker 1: guy and need to read the Deer bastardly.
Speaker 2: The Dear Bastard letter, yep. And that's one of the
Speaker 2: most important pieces of evidence that connects him to the
Speaker 2: And this is so obvious. I read that again yesterday,
Speaker 2: and the Dear Bastard Letter, it's like it has so
Speaker 2: much like basically identifies who the seaman coming into Galveston
Speaker 2: with the with the drugs was right. It says in
Speaker 2: that letter, you know, hey, what was that stuff that
Speaker 2: cloud dying? You got to bring more of that when
Speaker 2: you get back into town. Hey, when you come when's
Speaker 2: your ship coming back into town?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And then in the David Ferry file, like two pages later,
Speaker 2: it's got a page on Blackman, right, and it says
Speaker 2: that he's in the International Seamen's Union. So within three
Speaker 2: pages you can prove who the seaman coming into the Galvestonport,
Speaker 2: was right. And then when you realize that he got
Speaker 2: interrogated like the Tuesday after the assassination by everybody, right,
Speaker 2: it's like, duh, of course he was the guy bringing
Speaker 2: in the drugs, because that's what that's what David Ferry
Speaker 2: was talking about the Dear Bastard letter. And then at
Speaker 2: the bottom of the Deer Bastard letter it says for
Speaker 2: character evaluation only of Blackstone, Hello, and then the next page,
Speaker 2: two pages later, it's black Mon Right, So obviously Blackman
Speaker 2: was the guy bringing in he was. To me, that
Speaker 2: makes it obvious he was the railroad man because there's
Speaker 2: nobody else in that inner circle. You're not gonna go
Speaker 2: rob a bank with a total stranger, right, You're the
Speaker 2: guy who he was breaking down the rifle for you
Speaker 2: is going to be an intercircle guy. And black was
Speaker 2: in town for the weekend and then grilled on Tuesday.
Speaker 2: So I have to me that's how I put together
Speaker 2: the pieces on the railroad man, based on the description,
Speaker 2: the height all that stuff, because Blackman was like six
Speaker 2: foot two, you know, something like that.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, yeah, next question, all right, April tenth,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three, Why is that date significant.
Speaker 2: That's the Walker shooting.
Speaker 1: Where Oswald took a shot at General Walker.
Speaker 2: But I say that none of that story makes any sense.
Speaker 2: And when you get into the statements of Kirk Coleman,
Speaker 2: who was the fourteen year old kid who live next door.
Speaker 2: So Kirk Coleman, here's the shots. He goes running outside
Speaker 2: and he looks over the fence and he sees two
Speaker 2: cars aisling. I forget what cars they were. One of them,
Speaker 2: I think it was like a fifty seven or fifty
Speaker 2: eight Chevy, and that car had actually been seen a
Speaker 2: week a couple of days prior circling Walker's house by
Speaker 2: Max Klunch. And so those guys get in, one guy
Speaker 2: throws something in the back seat, they pull off. It's
Speaker 2: obviously there's two people there. Okay, the descriptions are kind
Speaker 2: of vague, but one of them, he said, was real skinny.
Speaker 2: I mean, he describes one of them as being like
Speaker 2: five eleven six foot, two hundred pounds, you know. And
Speaker 2: then when you understand the relationships and what was going on,
Speaker 2: and then the sports drone rifle range stuff, to me,
Speaker 2: it kind of fell into place that it was Howard
Speaker 2: and Seymour, you know, and Oswald look alike there and so.
Speaker 2: But then when I get to the statements of Jules
Speaker 2: Rico Kimball, he straight up says, in no uncertain terms,
Speaker 2: it was Howard and Seymour. And Garrison's grilling him on that,
Speaker 2: and he's like, well, you know, Oswald allegedly had somebody
Speaker 2: with him when it was allegedly two people there when
Speaker 2: someone took a shot. And he goes, oh, you mean
Speaker 2: like Howard and Seymour, And he makes a comment about
Speaker 2: how Howard was always wanting to get driven around doing
Speaker 2: pulling some kind of caper and so, and then Garrison says, oh,
Speaker 2: you think it was Howard and Seymour, And then Kimball says, look,
Speaker 2: I ain't trying to prove anything. I'm just trying to
Speaker 2: tell you what happened and why. And so that made
Speaker 2: very clear to me that's exactly who it was. Doesn't
Speaker 2: make any sense for Oswald to have done it. That
Speaker 2: means Marina lied about everything. Marina is such a backstabber.
Speaker 2: But hey, if it's be a backstabber or get sent
Speaker 2: back to the Soviet Union as a trader, you know
Speaker 2: what are you going to take?
Speaker 1: Right? You know?
Speaker 2: Because I'm sure they would make some stuff up about
Speaker 2: her and send her back if she didn't participate, or
Speaker 2: kill her or something, Billiam it on Oswald. But yeah,
Speaker 2: once you pull apart certain pieces of the story, like
Speaker 2: the Walker shooting, it becomes obvious who's lying and who's not,
Speaker 2: and who is involved in this scheme and who's not.
Speaker 1: So the mechanics are in are we're moving now? April tenth.
Speaker 1: That's deliberate attempt although.
Speaker 2: Right right, I would say so. And on Walker had
Speaker 2: to be in on it because he was visited by
Speaker 2: Lauren Hall and Jerry Hemming in March. So Lauren Hall
Speaker 2: and Jerry Hemming leave from Los Angeles and they go
Speaker 2: to Dallas. There they meet with Lester Logue, they meet
Speaker 2: with who's one of the oil guys in the background,
Speaker 2: potential funder of stuff. But I don't really pay much
Speaker 2: attention to these oil guys because there are plenty. And
Speaker 2: then they meet with Walker and then like two weeks later,
Speaker 2: the shooting happens and Walker's never He's not shot as
Speaker 2: like misses and goes through a window. It was an
Speaker 2: intentional miss right. Like the whole story is stupid, the
Speaker 2: whole the idea that Oswald wouldever admit to that is stupid.
Speaker 2: The idea he ever owned that rifle is stupid. The
Speaker 2: rifle was ordered with a fake money order, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean the money order. So I got to dig
Speaker 2: back into this, but I guess a lot of the evidence,
Speaker 2: like the photocopies we have of evidence where there's no
Speaker 2: original copies anymore, that disappeared. A lot of this stuff
Speaker 2: was all presented through one FBI attorney and I can't
Speaker 2: remember his name, but I got to do a deep
Speaker 2: dive into him because this guy is one lawyer presented
Speaker 2: a lot of evidence that all we have are photocopies
Speaker 2: like the Oswald money order that was actually used, allegedly used,
Speaker 2: it does not exist. Okay, All we have are photo
Speaker 2: copies of the front and back. And they screwed up
Speaker 2: bad here because the money order in the sixties were
Speaker 2: on card stock. They were hard card stock. I got
Speaker 2: pictures of them, like but they faked it on a
Speaker 2: piece of paper because it's got ink bleed through and
Speaker 2: you're not gonna get ink bleed through on card stocks.
Speaker 2: So the money orders fake. He didn't order the rifle.
Speaker 2: He could have gone in just like in the movie.
Speaker 2: They said he could have gone into any shop in
Speaker 2: Texas and bought a gun that was untraceable. The whole
Speaker 2: story is ridiculously stupid. It's an obvious setup, right, and
Speaker 2: so yeah, these are all just little pieces of the
Speaker 2: puzzle that fall into place once you start to see
Speaker 2: this is like a big logic problem, you know, like
Speaker 2: you know, Joe is looking up, Mike is looking down,
Speaker 2: somebody is looking to the left, who's looking at who? Right? Again,
Speaker 2: those kind of things, right, All you ought to do
Speaker 2: is once you can say with certainty this didn't happen,
Speaker 2: this becomes a concrete point and you have to move
Speaker 2: the rest of the puzzle around it. And eventually you
Speaker 2: get a lot of concrete points and then this very
Speaker 2: little room to move these things. And so that's what
Speaker 2: this is. It's a big logic problem. And once I
Speaker 2: realized that, and I realize you can make some concrete judgments,
Speaker 2: the rest of the story started to.
Speaker 1: Unfold, you know, as you know, you know Jeff Caufield's work,
Speaker 1: who throws everything on the radical right? And I was
Speaker 1: hitting the radical right pretty hard, trying to corroborate.
Speaker 2: Call Field, which guy is Cawfield? Again?
Speaker 1: He wrote General Walker in the murder of President Kennedy,
Speaker 1: who put everything on on Walker as the men.
Speaker 2: He did your show and he did like his book
Speaker 2: is like a thousand pages, right, yeah, yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 1: One yeah, one star review from the Eugenio on Amazon.
Speaker 2: But but that might almost be something to brag about though, honestly.
Speaker 1: But you know, I wonder though if there was speculating here,
Speaker 1: but if there was if there was a collusion element
Speaker 1: in place between factions of that radical right and the
Speaker 1: contingent of New Orleans and the and and and those
Speaker 1: individuals and at some point.
Speaker 2: The radical right, Like I can't really seem to link
Speaker 2: them into anything except like maybe a support network. So
Speaker 2: out in Los Angeles, you got like Carl McIntyre crew,
Speaker 2: you know, all these guys that connects to Warren Reynolds,
Speaker 2: which is like a one in a million kind of coincidence.
Speaker 2: And Harry Thornley, Kerry Thornley, Warren Reynolds, and Lauren Hall
Speaker 2: all met together in Whittier, California at a meeting of
Speaker 2: the State's Rights Party. Okay, Like that's pretty wild to me.
Speaker 2: But I can't really link directly any of these right
Speaker 2: wing guys, even Miltyer who was probably in Daly Plaza
Speaker 2: or a least knew about it. I'm just convinced that
Speaker 2: a lot of people knew. Like, we probably have one
Speaker 2: hundred plus people who are in Daily Plaza have never
Speaker 2: been identified. You know, there's a guy crossing the street
Speaker 2: with a hammer in his hand. Who the hell is
Speaker 2: that guy? Right, Like, there's so many people we just
Speaker 2: don't know. And so I'm convinced. Not only am I
Speaker 2: convinced they had a lot of people there to witness
Speaker 2: what happened, but I'm convinced also they flew a lot
Speaker 2: of people in from mafia, Corsican mafia, who to hell
Speaker 2: knows who else, just to be in Daily Plaza, just
Speaker 2: to be there. Because I have a feeling the CIA
Speaker 2: sends messages to the FBI and their actions, Like when
Speaker 2: the FBI comes across the fact that there's a dozen
Speaker 2: known assassins wandering around Dallas at the time, they're gonna
Speaker 2: know that's an op and they're gonna know that's a
Speaker 2: message to them to either back off or just to
Speaker 2: muddy the water, because those Corsica and mafia guys were
Speaker 2: all there in Dallas. Does an FBI report documents them
Speaker 2: tracing them into Montreal. They then crossed the border into
Speaker 2: New York. Then they made their way down to Dallas.
Speaker 2: That is a fact.
Speaker 1: But is this Sarti and others or is this Swetra.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any names attached to it. There's
Speaker 2: no names attached to it, But I wouldn't say it matters.
Speaker 2: And honestly, those guys, to me, if they didn't pull
Speaker 2: a trigger, they're irrelevant and they're just there to muddy
Speaker 2: to water. So I dug into the whole Suetra thing
Speaker 2: and the whole you know what was his name, Michael
Speaker 2: Christian thing, and he gave you know, he talked to
Speaker 2: Joe West. They gave him all that information about the
Speaker 2: parallel shooter or no, he knew something because some of
Speaker 2: the information was right that he gave him and some
Speaker 2: of the information was wrong that he gave him. And
Speaker 2: so when I started looking into the whole Seetra thing,
Speaker 2: and turns out he has like what Michael rue and
Speaker 2: has got like three other aliases. But here's one thing
Speaker 2: I need to point out about that those three names
Speaker 2: are three real people whose identity was being shared. That
Speaker 2: to me is an identity transfer operation like anything else,
Speaker 2: and so do you find these identity transfer operations all
Speaker 2: over the place. And so once I kind of determined
Speaker 2: that the shooters were really part of this web of
Speaker 2: people we already all know about, it kind of eliminated,
Speaker 2: Like I said, I can't link the course agains or
Speaker 2: any of these other people to this web of inner
Speaker 2: circle stuff, you know.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, let's move on. This is at
Speaker 1: David Moss for two eight zero. The only rifle found
Speaker 1: in the TSBD that day was Oswald's Manlicher Carcano rifle.
Speaker 1: It's such a simple case. What do you think Oswald
Speaker 1: carried into work that morning? Curtain rods? And then I replied,
Speaker 1: how do you know he worked there in the first place?
Speaker 1: His reply, The fact that Oswald worked at the TSBD
Speaker 1: building is undisputed. There are documents and testimonies that confirm it,
Speaker 1: including a job black of patient pay stubs of verification
Speaker 1: from his manager, Roy Truley, as well as multiple witnesses,
Speaker 1: statements from more colleagues. Oswald himself even admitted to it
Speaker 1: on a TV broadcast. Like I say, it is undisputed
Speaker 1: and even accepted by the Jority of JFK Assassination conspiracy world.
Speaker 2: That just said it all. It's accepted by everybody. See,
Speaker 2: people take things for granted, and I learned very early
Speaker 2: on you cannot take anything for granted in this case.
Speaker 2: This case is as close to a real life Truman
Speaker 2: show as we've ever seen in any historical event. So Oswald,
Speaker 2: when you look at os we look at the statements
Speaker 2: surrounding Oswald is starting at the very beginning of the day,
Speaker 2: him showing up at Bill Fraser's house and getting a
Speaker 2: ride to work with Curtain Rod's this story falls apart.
Speaker 2: So he claims Bill Fraser claimed that Oswald when he
Speaker 2: came that day, was wearing a gray more or less
Speaker 2: flannel wool type coat, and he specifically called it a coat,
Speaker 2: not a jacket. A jacket is a more light thing.
Speaker 2: A coat is a coat. Oswald never owned a coat
Speaker 2: like that. That coat doesn't exist. There's no coat like that.
Speaker 2: Founded the book Depository, and then Oswald, the whole thing
Speaker 2: with the coat screws me up because Oswald allegedly left
Speaker 2: to go home to get his jacket to go to
Speaker 2: the movies. So why are you gonna home, go home
Speaker 2: and get a jacket if you've already brought a coat
Speaker 2: with you to work. It doesn't make any sense. And
Speaker 2: then I realized that you have Ed Shields, who was
Speaker 2: a guy who worked at the warehouse section and he
Speaker 2: testified before the House Committee on Assassinations. He testified that
Speaker 2: he was outside that morning and Buel Fraser is walking
Speaker 2: into the building and someone called out to Bull Fraser, Hey, Buell,
Speaker 2: where's your rider? And Bill Fraser said, I dropped him
Speaker 2: off at the building. That's a different story than they
Speaker 2: pulled into the back parking lot in the railroad yards,
Speaker 2: and then Oswald walked into the building. That's a different story.
Speaker 2: That was really when I threw in the towel on
Speaker 2: Buill Fraser realized he's lying about all this stuff. So
Speaker 2: we have all the evidence of him getting to work
Speaker 2: with curtain rods and all that stuff is out the
Speaker 2: window because it's based on Buell Fraser, who's a liar.
Speaker 2: Nobody at the building ever saw him bring a package in.
Speaker 2: And if you want to address if there was somebody
Speaker 2: at the building with paystubs and all this stuff, you
Speaker 2: have to answer a couple questions. Number one of the
Speaker 2: handwriting on the application, I'm convinced doesn't match. I'm convinced
Speaker 2: Oswald didn't fill that out. Oswald hand writing is chicken scratch,
Speaker 2: just like give Jim Garrison put it. Look at the
Speaker 2: self written biography that he did when he was in
Speaker 2: the Soviet Union is almost illegible. His handwriting is so
Speaker 2: poor that ain't the handwriting on the application for the
Speaker 2: book depository. When you look at who's on the payroll roster,
Speaker 2: who's on the different lists of people who work there,
Speaker 2: you have three different names. You have Lee Harvey Oswald
Speaker 2: on the actual roster itself of employees turned over to
Speaker 2: the Dallas Police, it said Harvey Lee Oswald. And then
Speaker 2: the payroll slips for the last week that Oswald allegedly
Speaker 2: worked there said Leslie Oswald. So you got three different
Speaker 2: names on the damn thing. And if you have somebody
Speaker 2: who's impersonating Oswald and he's introduced to everyone at the
Speaker 2: building as Oswald, of course you're gonna have witnesses ay
Speaker 2: and Oswald worked there. We don't have. We have hundreds
Speaker 2: of pictures of daily plaza the minutes after virtually everything
Speaker 2: was captured in a photograph or film somewhere in the
Speaker 2: first ten minutes. You know, we have no pictures of
Speaker 2: Oswald ever having been there at all. And then in
Speaker 2: doing my research, I find the story everything about Oswald
Speaker 2: being in the building that day. The most compelling story that,
Speaker 2: if you want to say Oswald was there, was the
Speaker 2: myth that Oswald was stopped in the second floor lunch
Speaker 2: room drinking a coke story by Baker and truly that
Speaker 2: story never happened. That is a myth. They fabricated that
Speaker 2: story because it is absolutely one hundred percent impossible for
Speaker 2: Baker and truly to have entered that building prior to
Speaker 2: twelve thirty six or twelve thirty seven PM, which means
Speaker 2: and why would they do that? Well, if you look
Speaker 2: at Willis ten photo, it's pretty clear they made an
Speaker 2: arrest outside the front of the pository. They're taking a
Speaker 2: man dressed all in black into custody. And so from
Speaker 2: what I've gathered based on the data, is that the
Speaker 2: shooter at the dal Techs ran north on Houston Street.
Speaker 2: When Baker got off his motorcycle. It wasn't to go
Speaker 2: into the depository. He claims that he believed the shots
Speaker 2: came from the depository because he heard him. No, he didn't, No,
Speaker 2: he didn't. He didn't come into the Daily Plaza for
Speaker 2: at least ten or twelve seconds after that happened. There's
Speaker 2: no possibility he could have heard where the shots came from.
Speaker 2: So we lied about that. And I believe what he
Speaker 2: saw was a man running with a rifle north on
Speaker 2: Houston Street, and then he goes and arrest that man,
Speaker 2: and that's captured in Willis ten. This totally debunks the
Speaker 2: idea that anybody could enter that building within ninety seconds.
Speaker 2: And it's more important to put Oswald on that floor
Speaker 2: inside the building than covering up an arrest outside the building.
Speaker 2: And so I believe that's exactly what happened, and I
Speaker 2: can say it a certain do we know this because
Speaker 2: of the statements of Robert McNeil, Robert McNeil reporter. He
Speaker 2: enters the book depository to make a phone call. He
Speaker 2: enters there, there's no cops in there, and he says,
Speaker 2: there's three men in there who are exceedingly calm for
Speaker 2: the pandemonium going on outside around them, which makes perfect
Speaker 2: sense to me because it was Buil Frasier, William Shelley
Speaker 2: and Bill Lovelady. Bill Lovelady who obviously killed the power
Speaker 2: to the building and turned it back on after the
Speaker 2: shots were fired. His phone call to this was New
Speaker 2: York News Desk didn't happen till twelve thirty six, so
Speaker 2: we can assume he didn't exit the building till twelve
Speaker 2: thirty seven ish, right, And when he left, he said
Speaker 2: there was no cops in the building. But when Baker
Speaker 2: and Truly allegedly come down from going upstairs, the buildings
Speaker 2: flooded with the cops already. So those two stories are incongruent.
Speaker 2: So it doesn't make sense for Baker and Truly to
Speaker 2: have entered the building prior to Robert McNeil making his
Speaker 2: phone call. Period. And then this makes perfect sense to
Speaker 2: me once again, because they end up stopping the man
Speaker 2: not in the second floor a lunch room with a
Speaker 2: coke story, they stop in between the third and fourth floor.
Speaker 2: We have multiple documents. In the original we have the
Speaker 2: handwritten notes, we have the type report, and then we.
Speaker 1: Have a.
Speaker 2: Memo from Chief Curry. It says the same thing about
Speaker 2: them being stopped, this man being stopped between the third
Speaker 2: and fourth floor, And in Curry's memo it clearly says
Speaker 2: that this man was Oswald. Okay, but this man was
Speaker 2: wearing a light brown jacket, just like the man who's
Speaker 2: captured in the Robert Hughes film in the railroad yards
Speaker 2: at twelve thirty three PM. Okay, so that man I
Speaker 2: concluded was William Seymour based on a huge series of events,
Speaker 2: most importantly jump to the Nash Rambler. So you have
Speaker 2: William Seymour impersonating Oswald working in that building. Everyone knew
Speaker 2: him was Oswald. He's stopped on the stairwell between his
Speaker 2: third and fourth floor, probably twelve thirty eight is probably
Speaker 2: my guess. They talked to him for a minute. Roy
Speaker 2: truly clears him as an employee, says, this guy works
Speaker 2: for me. Okay, it's clearly not Oswald. This guy's wearing
Speaker 2: a light brown jacket, all right. So they then let
Speaker 2: him leave whatever he's doing, and this is about twelve
Speaker 2: thirty nine. They keep going up to the top. He
Speaker 2: continues down the stairs, right because after he's seen in
Speaker 2: the Robert Hughes film, he re enters the book depository
Speaker 2: and makes his way up to the sixth floor, which
Speaker 2: is the only thing that makes sense if he's being
Speaker 2: stopped inside the building. And so here's another thing, is
Speaker 2: this isn't even better. This just dawned on me. If
Speaker 2: it's twelve thirty three and William Seymour is in the
Speaker 2: railroad yards, that precludes him from being stopped on the
Speaker 2: third or fourth floor ninety seconds after the assassination. Okay,
Speaker 2: it wasn't both, It's one or the other. So he
Speaker 2: leaves the building. He rushes out the back door, seen
Speaker 2: by Richard Randolph car two men, including a Latin. Okay,
Speaker 2: getting a gree Nash Rambler pull around records and commerce
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. They'll pick up Lauren Hall a
Speaker 2: couple of minutes later, but that Nash Rambler will circle
Speaker 2: back to the building at twelve forty pm. Perfect timing
Speaker 2: for a man who was stopped at twelve thirty eight,
Speaker 2: released at twelve thirty nine, continues his steps down the
Speaker 2: building and eggsit's at twelve forty perfectly timed. Like I
Speaker 2: couldn't I couldn't have done it better myself, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. It's like, this is who Roger Craig sees.
Speaker 2: This is who Roger Craig sees as he comes down,
Speaker 2: And what is Roger craigsay? He says he thought he
Speaker 2: was wearing a light brown shirt because it was just
Speaker 2: a light jacket. But it wasn't a shirt, it was
Speaker 2: a jacket. And this is the man, this is clearly
Speaker 2: the man who was captured in the Robert Hughes film.
Speaker 2: I mean to me, it's I can see the entire
Speaker 2: chronological series of events from the time the shots are fired,
Speaker 2: how they went down the elevator. William Seymour was already
Speaker 2: on the first floor, he was guarding the elevator. Then
Speaker 2: they all leaved out the back of the building, two
Speaker 2: of them leaving the station wagon. William Seymore walks into
Speaker 2: Daily Plaza or into the railroad yards he's captured in
Speaker 2: the Robert Hughes film. He then somehow makes his way
Speaker 2: back into the building. Now, why would he go back
Speaker 2: in the building. Why what's the purpose of going back
Speaker 2: in the building? How could he possibly feel comfortable walking
Speaker 2: into that building because he worked there, He's supposed to
Speaker 2: be there. That's why this is how I came to
Speaker 2: the conclusion Oswald never worked there, Because if we had
Speaker 2: William Cymore in the railroad yards a twelve thirty three,
Speaker 2: and then he stopped five minutes later on the on
Speaker 2: the stairwell coming down the stairs. Then the only thing
Speaker 2: that makes sense is he felt super comfortable being there.
Speaker 2: He wasn't worried about being caught being in a building
Speaker 2: he wasn't supposed to be in. He stopped, he's let
Speaker 2: go out. Twelve forty he leaves the building seen by
Speaker 2: Roger Craig, and he gets into the nash Rambler. Roger
Speaker 2: Craig was shown a picture of the driver of the
Speaker 2: nash Rambler and he said, yes, that's the man I
Speaker 2: saw driving the nash Rambler. That picture was of a
Speaker 2: man detained in daily Plaza and let go because he
Speaker 2: didn't speak English. I have that picture. It's a picture
Speaker 2: of Lawrence Howard. Okay, So the relationship once again Oswald
Speaker 2: and a large husky potmark faced Latin guy in a
Speaker 2: different context, the driver of the nash Rambler and Oswald
Speaker 2: coming down from the book depository. This is all like,
Speaker 2: this is almost different pieces of the same puzzle. Like
Speaker 2: to me, this is very clear and straightforward, even though
Speaker 2: it's not clear and straightforward. Do you understand and so
Speaker 2: and so to me? And then I can trace the
Speaker 2: activities once they leave there. Once the green natural member
Speaker 2: leaves there and goes to Oak Cliff, I can tell
Speaker 2: you everything that happened from there, and then I can
Speaker 2: tell you from there they get over to the aqueduct
Speaker 2: where they leave in Robert Vincent's plane.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So the entire series of events from twelve thirty until
Speaker 2: they leave Dallas, I pretty much have most of it
Speaker 2: in a continuous chronology. So where does Oswald fit into that?
Speaker 2: Where I got nowhere, I got them nowhere. And then
Speaker 2: then you go into the statements of Robert McNeil again,
Speaker 2: who allegedly till Oswald told him to go use a phone, right,
Speaker 2: but he told that same story about Pierce Solomon. What
Speaker 2: you got? So you got two guys. So Pierce Solomon
Speaker 2: and Robert mcgeil give the identical story. But they're not together. Right.
Speaker 2: They're walking into the building exactly twelve third and they
Speaker 2: come across Oswald and Oswald they asked to use a phone.
Speaker 2: So you're telling me that Oswald got stopped by two
Speaker 2: reporters who asked the same exact question within like must
Speaker 2: have been seconds of each other. Gave me a break.
Speaker 2: Those stories are bunk. Nobody told them nothing. Those guys
Speaker 2: work for the goddamn CIA. They're clearly mockingbird because none
Speaker 2: of that story could have happened. And then when you
Speaker 2: get into the bus story with Cecil McWaters and you
Speaker 2: get into William Whaley's cab story, the whole thing just
Speaker 2: followed apart. Oswald never got on that bus, he never
Speaker 2: fled in the bus, and he didn't leave in the
Speaker 2: Green Nash Rambler. So how did Oswald leave the depository?
Speaker 2: He didn't because he wasn't there in the first place.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Then we have the film of Wade talking to the
Speaker 2: press where he says Oswald denied he was ever in
Speaker 2: the building that day. He says, Oswald had worked here,
Speaker 2: just not that day. That's a quote, and I believe
Speaker 2: that one hundred percent. But he didn't work there. It
Speaker 2: was a front job. They're all front jobs. It just
Speaker 2: you know, is it just coincidence that every single job
Speaker 2: Oswald had was connected to the CIA when he got
Speaker 2: back from the Russia. Everyone Ryley Coffee, run by the CIA,
Speaker 2: basically used to give spooks fronts. Like how many guys
Speaker 2: from Riley Coffee went to go work for NASA another
Speaker 2: spook front. Give me a break. None of his jobs
Speaker 2: were real jobs, None of them. They were fake jobs.
Speaker 2: Whether he even had to show up at all. I
Speaker 2: don't even know Jacker Charles stoveall who developed photos from
Speaker 2: the YouTube plane, and they're gonna put a communist defector.
Speaker 2: Give me a break with how stupid you gotta believe
Speaker 2: me to believe any of this? Really, like how some
Speaker 2: common sense people. Once you dig into all these micro details,
Speaker 2: the entire story falls apart and you realize we've been
Speaker 2: sold a bag of goods by people were supposed to trust,
Speaker 2: even Kennedy researchers, even Kennedy, none of them have ever
Speaker 2: looked into the possibility. It wasn't Oswalt the books pository,
Speaker 2: not one.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I'll never forget the moment I realized it, or I
Speaker 2: was going through there's a packet of sixty pages. It's
Speaker 2: statements for people who worked in the book depository for
Speaker 2: the different companies. And as I'm going through it, I
Speaker 2: found like a half a dozen people who said they'd
Speaker 2: never seen Oswald there at all, or never saw him
Speaker 2: that day, or some people said they never saw him
Speaker 2: until he was on television. And that's when it hit
Speaker 2: me like a ton of bricks. I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: he was never at the sports room rifle range, he
Speaker 2: was never in Mexico City. He was never any of
Speaker 2: these places, but yet we're supposed to believe he was
Speaker 2: at the Book Depository. And now I'm sorry. That's when
Speaker 2: I that's when I lost it and I realized the
Speaker 2: whole story of him being there was stupid. It's like ridiculous,
Speaker 2: Like you're gonna have an assassination and you're in a
Speaker 2: funnel assassins into a building, but you're gonna let your
Speaker 2: Patsy who's not in on just like wander around wherever
Speaker 2: he wants. Give me a break, give me a break.
Speaker 2: That's that's an operational security risk. You'd never do that
Speaker 2: same to me. The same thing applies at five point
Speaker 2: forty four Camp Street and all the places. At Oswald
Speaker 2: they say Oswald was when he never was right. So
Speaker 2: Oswald's the ghost. I think they kept him at a distance,
Speaker 2: doing nothing that frustrated him, and that was his life story.
Speaker 2: I don't think he interacted with any of these people
Speaker 2: other than Kerry Thornley, and probably he interacted with Clayshaw
Speaker 2: at some point.
Speaker 1: All right, this is at quad B four seven. One
Speaker 1: read somewhere of a JFK assassination whistleblower mentioning that Calogero
Speaker 1: Leo lips Mukery, Cleveland Mafia under boss in nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: six drove to Dallas with weapons. Not sure where I
Speaker 1: read it or who made the claim, but it could
Speaker 1: have been former operative Chauncey Holdtn story. Yeah and Alts
Speaker 1: are connections. Not even sure if it's true.
Speaker 2: All right, So let's talk about Chauncey Halt, because Chouncey
Speaker 2: Holt said. Okay, I would one hundred percent believe everything
Speaker 2: Chauncey Holt said with one exception, and this drives me nuts.
Speaker 2: I can't believe. I wish he didn't say this because
Speaker 2: I don't believe it, but I believe.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: He claimed to be the one of the tramps, which
Speaker 2: is a lie because he was like thirty years younger
Speaker 2: than the tramp. Leo Massei was that old tramp. Okay
Speaker 2: Leo Massari under one of the second or third level
Speaker 2: under bosses Cleveland Mafia under Licavoli, who was under John Scalish.
Speaker 2: John Scalish under the control of Chicago. So Cleveland to Chicago, mam.
Speaker 2: That's how kind of how they worked. They had, like
Speaker 2: the satellites. Chauncey Halt, who I one hundred percent no
Speaker 2: was in Daily Plaza. He definitely was there because he
Speaker 2: made a statement in that final interview. I'd go back
Speaker 2: and watch that final interview with him. It's fascinating once
Speaker 2: you get rid of his lines about being the third tramp.
Speaker 2: Like the rest of us, off he said makes sense.
Speaker 2: It was with one exception. He says he drove in
Speaker 2: from who was at Pete Lickavoli's ranch in Phoenix. I
Speaker 2: think it was. I think he drove him. He drove
Speaker 2: in with Leo Masseri and he says he drove in
Speaker 2: with Nicoletti. And I have a big problem with that
Speaker 2: because Nicoletti. A week before the assassination, Nicoletti killed a
Speaker 2: guy named Foreman in Chicago, and he was on the lamb.
Speaker 2: The FBI was actively looking for Nicoletti. Why in the
Speaker 2: hell would you bring him to the biggest assassination in
Speaker 2: world history. If he showed up in a picture in
Speaker 2: Daily Plaza, though, it would be like the whole thing
Speaker 2: would be over, don't I don't see how the hell
Speaker 2: they could possibly have let Nicoletty come to the assassination.
Speaker 2: But johncey Holt said he was there. But the reason
Speaker 2: I believe Chauncey Holt was in Daily Plaza is because
Speaker 2: he's like. One of the statements he makes was the
Speaker 2: police were there and they were arresting all kinds of people.
Speaker 2: He said, they arrested the guy messed up all in
Speaker 2: black like a ninja. And sure enough I got a
Speaker 2: picture of Daily Plaza of someone dressed up all in
Speaker 2: black like a ninja and their faces blurred out, and
Speaker 2: that told me everything I need to know, because no
Speaker 2: one ever talks about these black people dressed in black
Speaker 2: looking like a ninja. He's the only one. And he
Speaker 2: said that after I've already seen the picture. So when
Speaker 2: he said that, I almost fell out of my chair.
Speaker 2: I was like, holy shit, he was really there. And
Speaker 2: he said he brought Leomissari and that was perfect sense
Speaker 2: to me also because I already named Leo Massari as
Speaker 2: the old tramp, Danny Green being the tall tramp, Vincent
Speaker 2: Caldier own Junior being the short tramp. And so once
Speaker 2: I saw, once I confirmed that Chauncey Holt was there,
Speaker 2: based on his statements, I was like, wow, it all again,
Speaker 2: more pieces of the same puzzle all falling into place.
Speaker 2: But the statement about Nicoletti, I can't see why they
Speaker 2: would risk that operationally. I don't get that at all.
Speaker 2: Was he telling the truth? I don't know. It seems
Speaker 2: more like Danny Green was with him than Nicoletti, because
Speaker 2: Danny Green had to get there somehow, and Danny Green,
Speaker 2: I'm assuming, would be what leoh because so at the time,
Speaker 2: Danny Green is the head of the long shoreman union
Speaker 2: in Cleveland. Most people don't realize, but before Danny Green
Speaker 2: had his falling out with the Cleveland Mob, he was
Speaker 2: working with the Cleveland Mob. You don't get to be
Speaker 2: the head of the long shoreman out of nowhere. Literally,
Speaker 2: he was a doc worker and then he became the
Speaker 2: head of the long shoreman union. You don't get to
Speaker 2: do that unless the mob is helping you, right. And
Speaker 2: so then I find the picture that I find pictures
Speaker 2: from like late sixty two or early sixty three, right
Speaker 2: around the time of the assassination, Danny Green in a
Speaker 2: suit and he's got this very distinct tight curl in
Speaker 2: the front of his head. It's super distinct. You can't
Speaker 2: miss it. And then when you look at the tramp pictures,
Speaker 2: there you go, there's that. As they're getting marched out
Speaker 2: of daily plaza. There's Danny Green with his tight curl
Speaker 2: right in the front of his head, and that made
Speaker 2: perfect sense. The relationship to Leo Massari, his relationship with
Speaker 2: the Cleveland mob at the time, the statements by Chauncey Holt,
Speaker 2: that all added to my conclusions that he was a
Speaker 2: tall tramp. So yeah, Chauncey Holt's statements make a lot
Speaker 2: of sense to me, except for the Nicoletti thing. And
Speaker 2: he definitely was not the old tramp he bid him.
Speaker 2: He pretty much almost confesses that it wasn't him that
Speaker 2: he's saying because he doesn't think that I Howard Hunt,
Speaker 2: you know, should have had that kind of stuff put
Speaker 2: on him. But he knew that wasn't e Howard Hunt.
Speaker 2: He knew that wasn't the Howard Hunt. So why he
Speaker 2: would even say that in the first place is kind
Speaker 2: of ridiculous.
Speaker 1: So all right, what is Perham and where did Jack
Speaker 1: Ruby go the evening of the assassination?
Speaker 2: Okay, So Perham is a big, long story. It's a
Speaker 2: Jewish holiday, It's the Jewish Halloween. It comes from the
Speaker 2: Book of Esther. It's a story of the salvation of
Speaker 2: the Jewish people by murdering seventy thousand non Jews and
Speaker 2: the Persian Nukman official Empire official Haman. Right, that's what
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 2: All these Jewish salvation stories involve them murdering a lot
Speaker 2: of people, which is screwed up, but that's where it
Speaker 2: comes from. And so I'm convinced, based on the photographic
Speaker 2: record alone, there were rabbis in daily plaza wearing Perham
Speaker 2: ceremonial robes. Why because in order to commit an assassination
Speaker 2: and not piss off God, you have to main the
Speaker 2: religiosity of it, right, So Purham is in like February March,
Speaker 2: this is November. Therefore it's symbolic, and it's a symbolic sacrifice.
Speaker 2: And the reason they do it in that manner is
Speaker 2: because they're allowed to be sacrifice. I think I'm Passover
Speaker 2: and Purim. Those are the two times that the Jewish
Speaker 2: religion allows sacrifice. But they're not supposed to do sacrifice
Speaker 2: post seventy a d. Because the Temple was destroyed and
Speaker 2: they're not and they didn't have anywhere to do them, right,
Speaker 2: So therefore I'm convinced that they do these symbolic ceremonies
Speaker 2: during assassinations to maintain the religiosity of them to not
Speaker 2: piss off God. But the whole concept of going around
Speaker 2: God to not piss them off is like, like He's
Speaker 2: not going to know, right, give me a break. So
Speaker 2: that's the puream story. And that night a lot of
Speaker 2: people visited Jack Ruby's synagogue. Now I need to do
Speaker 2: a deeper dive into this and specifically his rabbi, but
Speaker 2: his rabbis to be connected to a lot of people.
Speaker 2: His rabbit seems pretty important, and so yeah, I believe
Speaker 2: that they kind of had a party that night at
Speaker 2: the synagogue. Jack Ruby goes by there and a bunch
Speaker 2: of other people stop by there, so something was going
Speaker 2: on there.
Speaker 1: It's very disturbing. You make an argument about the number
Speaker 1: of people who are lining Houston as the motor Kid approaches,
Speaker 1: and they're in various costumes and it's it's very dark.
Speaker 2: So it's here's the thing I get, like the vast
Speaker 2: majority of people, I say, like seventy percent of people
Speaker 2: who I show those photos too, of the unedited Robert
Speaker 2: Hughes film see what I'm talking about right away. They're like,
Speaker 2: oh my God. And then I show them the comparison
Speaker 2: to the actual robes in a real ceremonial of modern ceremony,
Speaker 2: and they're like, they can't they don't know what to say.
Speaker 2: The other thirty percent completely deny there's anything there. Like,
Speaker 2: I get some people who I'll play like, I'll show
Speaker 2: the two pictures of the two Osball who are clearly
Speaker 2: different people, and people like that, the same guy. I'm like,
Speaker 2: pull yourt that out of your ass for a second.
Speaker 2: Just look at it with an unbiased mind, Jesus. And
Speaker 2: we've got so many people entered into this field with
Speaker 2: so many preconceived notions. They're not ready to have their
Speaker 2: world shattered yet, you know. But trust me when I
Speaker 2: tell you, this Jewish occultic assassination stuff has been going
Speaker 2: on for one hundred years at least minimum, now here
Speaker 2: in America.
Speaker 1: Okay, so those who populated the witnesses to the sacrificial
Speaker 1: murder Orthodox Hasidic I don't know.
Speaker 2: This isn't this. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just don't know.
Speaker 2: You see, I think it consider these people occultists, like
Speaker 2: these people are beyond like older New Testament. And this
Speaker 2: seems to be a faction of Zionism that clings to
Speaker 2: the writings of the Talmut like they're finding some sort
Speaker 2: of ancient hidden secrets in it. And for some reason,
Speaker 2: all these Zionists who are deep into this occult stuff,
Speaker 2: they very heavily look to the Egyptian like the Book
Speaker 2: of the Dead and the Egyptian lore for answers deeper
Speaker 2: than the Talmud, which I don't seem to get. They
Speaker 2: seem to look for some sort of ancient historical truth
Speaker 2: and it's it goes way back before Juda asmm even,
Speaker 2: and so I don't even know what these people's deal is,
Speaker 2: but seemingly they believe in God. And from what I
Speaker 2: can tell, the Freemasons and all these like the God
Speaker 2: they believe in is Lucifer, which is weird to me.
Speaker 2: They don't believe that God created the earth and the heavens.
Speaker 2: They believe God kicked out Lucifer and as he was falling,
Speaker 2: he created the heavens and in the earth, and he's
Speaker 2: actually the noble good God and the real God is
Speaker 2: the evil guy. That's like what modern Luciferians believe. So
Speaker 2: they don't go around like worshiping, worshiping the devil and stuff.
Speaker 2: Right to them, the devil's not the devil. The devil
Speaker 2: is God in their mind. To me, this is all fiction.
Speaker 2: I don't believe any of this stuff. This is all
Speaker 2: what primitive people write to themselves to help justify their
Speaker 2: their suffering in the universe because they didn't know what
Speaker 2: the fuck was going on two thousand years ago, right,
Speaker 2: Like nobody knew a damn thing two thousand years ago.
Speaker 2: That's when all this stuff's sprang up from ancient religions,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And over time people have
Speaker 2: tried to, like, you know, make sense of this ancient stuff,
Speaker 2: and it doesn't. It just doesn't make any sense. We
Speaker 2: don't have a clue why we're here, or none of
Speaker 2: us do. None of us has a goddamn any idea
Speaker 2: what life is about or why the universe is here.
Speaker 2: We're all just you know, we're throwing darts in the dark.
Speaker 2: And so for them to be willing to murder people,
Speaker 2: and like, like, if you don't think that there are
Speaker 2: culty beliefs have anything to do with there, how they
Speaker 2: can just wipe out people in Gaza, Like, I don't
Speaker 2: know what to tell you that it's intimately connected between
Speaker 2: them and God's chosen people and all this stuff like
Speaker 2: part of the and I have no doubt part of
Speaker 2: what's going on in Palestine is all ritual sacrifice stuff.
Speaker 2: Like to me, that fits right with the Zionus ocult stuff,
Speaker 2: which is it is dark, it's scary. This is the
Speaker 2: world we live in. I never pictured this growing up,
Speaker 2: you know, I grew up. We have a bigger real
Speaker 2: of in a normal world and we have like you know,
Speaker 2: countries and presidents and everything is above board, and nothing
Speaker 2: is above board. Nothing.
Speaker 1: It's hard. It's hard not to forget, you know, with
Speaker 1: prison and Kennedy being Catholic.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if I genuinely don't know
Speaker 2: if that really had anything to do with anything. I
Speaker 2: can't really see it. Maybe I just don't understand enough
Speaker 2: about that and why they would have prejudice against him.
Speaker 2: But I just don't I don't really understand that aspect
Speaker 2: well enough. But do you think there was a Catholic
Speaker 2: Do you think that was part of the reason he
Speaker 2: was killed?
Speaker 1: Maybe not.
Speaker 2: I mean, it might have been might have been a
Speaker 2: trust factor for some. I mean, if nothing else, it
Speaker 2: might have been a lingering factor in the background.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's hard to say because the Battle of
Speaker 1: letters Man that's really all you need to That's really
Speaker 1: what's that takes the cake in terms of motivation.
Speaker 2: I think it does completely. Yeah, but see, I think
Speaker 2: it goes deeper than Demona. I think Demona was more
Speaker 2: like the straw that broke the camel's back because Kennedy,
Speaker 2: from what I can tell, he was completely looking to
Speaker 2: cut all eight to Israel period, not just over Demona,
Speaker 2: but in general. He didn't want to give them ten cents.
Speaker 2: And that's the reason why I'm convincing he was killed
Speaker 2: ultimately by the guys at the top.
Speaker 1: Man, it's a shame.
Speaker 2: You have to realize Israel can servived without us, like
Speaker 2: at all, at all. They're not even a real country,
Speaker 2: They're like a proxy country.
Speaker 1: You know how we've said Fairy had that kind of
Speaker 1: pathetic last few years, you know, yeah, RFK, RFK kind
Speaker 1: of ghosted through those last few years of his own life.
Speaker 1: I mean, he had that campaign at the end, But
Speaker 1: I wonder how much he was he understood what was
Speaker 1: going on, if.
Speaker 2: Any what do you think you know, he was anaced
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if he understand I don't
Speaker 2: really know much about him and what he knew and
Speaker 2: didn't know in regards to the Israelis. I don't know
Speaker 2: how much him and his brother talked about it. His
Speaker 2: brother had to have talked to him about it. When
Speaker 2: you go back through the documents, Kennedy was getting briefings
Speaker 2: the documents themselves from before Kennedy, starting in like nineteen sixty.
Speaker 2: There's Kennedy was getting like weekly briefings on what was
Speaker 2: going on with Israel. There's stacks and stacks of documents.
Speaker 2: There's one document that lists all of the different communications, meetings,
Speaker 2: everything you're having to do with Israel. And when you
Speaker 2: look at it, it's like NonStop for like two years
Speaker 2: for his whole presidency. It's like, oh my god, this
Speaker 2: was a major concern of his. It wasn't just something
Speaker 2: in the background. He was constantly being briefed and updated
Speaker 2: on what was going on in the nuclear situation, communications
Speaker 2: back and forth. I mean, it wasn't like overnight he
Speaker 2: just said, oh, I'm want to cut footing in Israel. No,
Speaker 2: they were deceptive from day one. All they ever do
Speaker 2: is lie is a direct quote from John Kennedy talking
Speaker 2: about the Israelis. So nothing has changed to spend sixty
Speaker 2: years and nothing's changed, and once they killed Kennedy, I
Speaker 2: feel like they were emboldened because what you got five
Speaker 2: years later, Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy in the
Speaker 2: same year. They pulled off two assassinations in the same year.
Speaker 2: That takes some balls. They knew that they controlled the
Speaker 2: world at that point. Once they kill Kennedy, they took
Speaker 2: over our army. Lynnon Johnson, Jewish puppet, did the liberty
Speaker 2: handed them a kisa the kingdom, the whole nine yards right,
Speaker 2: Our country ended November twenty second, sixty three. We're living
Speaker 2: in a shell. We're living in one big, large shell corporation.
Speaker 1: You know. Johnson, uh did he was It wasn't necessarily
Speaker 1: a hagona gun runner, but he aided in the resettlement.
Speaker 1: Was it of of European Jews to Texas here? Right?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I'm only bagay, I'm only baby, even familiar
Speaker 2: with that, but yeah, he was so his mother was Jewish,
Speaker 2: he was raised Jewish, and then he gets into politics.
Speaker 2: He's not Jewish anymore. This is how it goes. It's
Speaker 2: a very common theme. But he maintained all those ties,
Speaker 2: and that was like the Jewish cause was his cause,
Speaker 2: you know, just like Roosevelt, just like.
Speaker 1: Just like Lincoln, you know.
Speaker 2: Uh, it's the undercover presidents that we have to worry about.
Speaker 1: When you were reading about the uh stealing of the
Speaker 1: looting of war assets, post war war assets that American surplus,
Speaker 1: American made, American helth what did you know about that
Speaker 1: before you When did you learn about that that that
Speaker 1: was an actual thing going on right after the war,
Speaker 1: you know, in the years after the war. God, I
Speaker 1: don't even remember.
Speaker 2: Definitely not I learned.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I think I might have learned about it once I
Speaker 2: realized once the David Ferry stuff came on board, and
Speaker 2: I think it might have Gary Ween in his book.
Speaker 2: I still need to get this book. They just reprinted
Speaker 2: it in a Fish in the Courthouse. It talks about
Speaker 2: the Oxnard, California burglary, the Armory out there break in.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what year that was, but all
Speaker 2: the armory break ins were all connected to Sombourne.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, but let me jump in though, because
Speaker 1: that's so we're like Huma for instance.
Speaker 2: Right actually went there, Me and my roommate were when
Speaker 2: we were I lived in Louisiana for about four months
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, and we actually went there and
Speaker 2: I got pictures of it, so it's not much to
Speaker 2: look at.
Speaker 1: Did you live there solely because of what you were researching?
Speaker 2: No, I was just in between places to live and
Speaker 2: my business partner, so hey, why don't you just come
Speaker 2: to Louisiana. So I went there for about four months
Speaker 2: and then we came back to Colorado after that.
Speaker 1: But Huma And is like sixty one. Na Borne is
Speaker 1: like forty five. And I think I can say you
Speaker 1: make it clear at some point the Sauna Borne group
Speaker 1: in the gun running doesn't stop at forty right, right?
Speaker 2: Correct? Correct? Because we know from Gordon Novell. Everyone talks
Speaker 2: about those bonker burglaries as it being like to fund
Speaker 2: the attic Astro Cubans and send them weapons and stuff.
Speaker 2: But that's not what happened. Gordon Novell told if the
Speaker 2: FBI or Jim Garrison directly that those weapons they made
Speaker 2: a pit stop at Banister's office at Camp Street and
Speaker 2: then they were all shipped to a company called inter
Speaker 2: Armco out of Virginia and inter arm COO another CIA
Speaker 2: gun running company managed by Samuel Samuel Cummings who ran
Speaker 2: Adams Consolidated Adams consolidated, imported the Carcano rifle right, So
Speaker 2: goddamn the CIA's fingerprints on every single aspect of this assassination.
Speaker 2: But once I realized that those weapons made it their
Speaker 2: way to Israel and Sonborne was about Israel, it blew
Speaker 2: me away that this damn operation went on for like
Speaker 2: twenty years. I mean, the fact the most different name,
Speaker 2: even if they called it something else, you know, it
Speaker 2: was still it was still going to the same people,
Speaker 2: the same weapons going to the same people twenty years later.
Speaker 1: And it was okay. I mean, when was your reaction?
Speaker 1: Was it okay that that there was a contingent of
Speaker 1: loyal Americans who were supporting their their heritage.
Speaker 2: See, but I look when I look at the guys
Speaker 2: on the ground who broke in the Homa. You got
Speaker 2: Gordon Develle, David Ferry, Serge Arcachilate, and Martin's Lewis Rebel.
Speaker 2: And I don't think any of those guys gave it
Speaker 2: damn about Israel. I bet those guys didn't even know
Speaker 2: where the weapons were going. I bet you they thought
Speaker 2: the weapons were going to the anti Castro Cubans, you know,
Speaker 2: at least to a certain point. So like again, it
Speaker 2: comes down to the motivations. Their motivation was probably money.
Speaker 2: They probably got paid to do that the CIA, Gordon
Speaker 2: Develle said, the CIA left the door open for him,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And that was what was
Speaker 2: It was the Schlumberger. It was the Schlumberge or however
Speaker 2: you want to pronounce it. It was then that's Jon
Speaker 2: de Manil, who's on bord of perman Next. Give me
Speaker 2: a break. This is a this is an inside job.
Speaker 1: But but if you go back to the forties, the
Speaker 1: creation of the Son and Boorn group and that we're
Speaker 1: going to uh go behind the back of our own
Speaker 1: country to fund this unrecognized group, how do you how
Speaker 1: does that see?
Speaker 2: Not good? Not good at all. A lot of people
Speaker 2: need to be hanged. That's a that's a reality.
Speaker 1: They're part of Hank Greensland, et cetera. Pardon yep, and
Speaker 1: the JFK. No less.
Speaker 2: I see it, son Born morphed into our aid package
Speaker 2: or modern aid package for Israel. That's that's what I'm
Speaker 2: to me, there's no doubt. Don't see a difference. To me,
Speaker 2: what they're doing with the funding of weapons for Israel
Speaker 2: is no different than Sonborne and now it's overt and
Speaker 2: it's it's an official policy of our governmn. Our government's treasonous.
Speaker 2: They're all traders, all of them. Our government sucks. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 2: democracy is a myth, like it doesn't exist. I don't
Speaker 2: know what the fuck people are talking about.
Speaker 1: You and I we've I can chat here. You and
Speaker 1: I have this space to chat.
Speaker 2: I think we have a god given right to do this,
Speaker 2: but it has nothing to do with democracy. Our current
Speaker 2: confident democracy is ridiculous. And once Citizens United came about
Speaker 2: it was it done?
Speaker 1: What was it?
Speaker 2: No taxation? With that representation, we ain't have representation forever
Speaker 2: defail represented. I don't And when I look at what
Speaker 2: goes on in Congress, they do nothing but impede progress.
Speaker 2: Period They impede progress. And so I can't help but
Speaker 2: think back to the hundreds of years ago when we
Speaker 2: had there were in the history of kings in which
Speaker 2: we were governed by kings for hundreds of thousands of years.
Speaker 2: I'm sure we've This whole democracy thing has been a
Speaker 2: myth for two hundred years, has never existed. Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: totally convinced that the benevolent dictator is the way to go,
Speaker 2: and that's all there is to it. There's somebody who
Speaker 2: make decisions and changed the course of history on a
Speaker 2: dime instead of waiting ten years to go through Congress,
Speaker 2: which doesn't do anything, steal our money and I bet
Speaker 2: it on the stock market, right like, our whole entire
Speaker 2: system needs to just be destroyed. But that will never happen.
Speaker 2: What will happen we will have to happen for a
Speaker 2: new system to come in place, is that we have
Speaker 2: to have a complete and total financial and societal collapse
Speaker 2: like what happened to Germany after World War One. I'm
Speaker 2: not short of something like that. We're not getting any change,
Speaker 2: so I don't have any hope. So the only hope
Speaker 2: that I have is I only got twenty five years
Speaker 2: to go. I'd have to put up with this shit,
Speaker 2: you know, it's about it.
Speaker 1: So hopefully hopefully you get you have that that long
Speaker 1: because you know, anything can happen.
Speaker 2: Hey, if I die before that, my books will sell
Speaker 2: it crazy and my roommate's gonna blame it on the.
Speaker 1: Side no matter what. So yeah, I just you know,
Speaker 1: having never known about the War Assets Administration being being
Speaker 1: looted and being sold and yet you know, we're I.
Speaker 1: You know, I really enjoyed Peter Jennings as a reporter
Speaker 1: anchor when I was growing up, but he was criticized
Speaker 1: for being having a pro Palestinian stance, and I didn't
Speaker 1: understand why was that a big deal? You know, it
Speaker 1: was almost as if you had to you had to
Speaker 1: come down and support no matter what, you know. And
Speaker 1: when you look at el Schwimmer and the guys who
Speaker 1: were convicted for violating the Neutrality Acts on very light sentences.
Speaker 1: There is a movement that Aaron Storkin, the screenwriter, is
Speaker 1: working on an adaptation of a book about Schwimmer and
Speaker 1: greens Bun. Really the book is called Saving Israel. Storkin
Speaker 1: is adapting the book for a film. Now. I also
Speaker 1: read though that these kind of statements, these pr statements,
Speaker 1: that film may never even happen. It's the fact that
Speaker 1: that story got out there, that you have such a
Speaker 1: high level screenwriter taking on that story to a way
Speaker 1: to inject whatever propaganda whoever's putting that story out man,
Speaker 1: which is again a whole I guess it all goes
Speaker 1: back to the same.
Speaker 2: So we just had Mike Huckabee, the ambassador to Israel,
Speaker 2: meet with Jonathan Pollard, the worst spy in American history,
Speaker 2: trader to this country, and we have official US government
Speaker 2: people meeting with them. Our government is conquered and compromised
Speaker 2: period period. Why isn't Huckaby being brought back here and
Speaker 2: put on trial for treason?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: To see, this is just like with Epstein. The first
Speaker 2: time he got arrested, he got a slap on the
Speaker 2: wrist and like he just had to check in at
Speaker 2: jail and then he could go like, this is what
Speaker 2: they do when they get caught and they have to
Speaker 2: do some sort of pr trial. You know, That's what
Speaker 2: these things are. And so it's the fixes in And
Speaker 2: you know, the reason I don't really have much hope
Speaker 2: is because I feel like our country to November twenty second,
Speaker 2: unless we have a revolution or a complete collapse, we
Speaker 2: can not We're not going to have a change, you know.
Speaker 1: I encourage people to look more into Clay Shaw, and
Speaker 1: I think they can get lost in PERMADEX and CMC
Speaker 1: and because they're all, yeah, very hard to find a
Speaker 1: reliable even you know, even the research community doesn't really
Speaker 1: know what to make of it, as you know, because
Speaker 1: they don't want to as you often say, they don't
Speaker 1: want to pull the trigger.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean when you got Alan DAWs and James
Speaker 2: Angleton and Clay Shaw and tbor Rosenbaum who founded the
Speaker 2: bank are pretty internationale and the Bronfmans and all these
Speaker 2: people conspiring together with you know, Gershan Perez was a
Speaker 2: member of perm Index, Simone Perez's brother. Like, have you
Speaker 2: seen have you seen or read Michelle Meadow's work on CMC? Yes,
Speaker 2: of course, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. That guy's work was absolutely priceless.
Speaker 2: And thank god he was Italian and could read those
Speaker 2: documents because no one else in the world ever did, right,
Speaker 2: So his work there is just absolutely incredible. He makes
Speaker 2: the best case in the world for the connection between
Speaker 2: permandex and the assassination and so yeah, like once people
Speaker 2: come to understand that our government conspired with foreign governments
Speaker 2: to kill our own president, it's like, who are these
Speaker 2: people really working for? And they don't work for us,
Speaker 2: They work for an idea and this idea, which is crazy.
Speaker 2: David Ferry said in his statements Brocheers, he mentions Alan
Speaker 2: Dulls by name, and he says he's not a good
Speaker 2: man and he says, these guys want to turn America
Speaker 2: into one big barbed wire prison. And he said that
Speaker 2: back in like sixty six or sixty seven, and that's exactly.
Speaker 1: What we're doing. It's fairy, is still complex, and you say,
Speaker 1: you know, make the point. He was an unwitting participant. Man,
Speaker 1: he really knew stuff and he wasn't an idiot. People
Speaker 1: need to know this was not a clown. And you
Speaker 1: do you recommend folks to watch Stones film everythink they
Speaker 1: should forget it.
Speaker 2: No, they should watch it one hundred percent because I
Speaker 2: tell people you'll get the official you'll get an expert
Speaker 2: lesson on the official conspiracy theory. And you have to
Speaker 2: understand the official conspiracy theory to understand why it's wrong.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, and it's got a lot of good stuff.
Speaker 2: Like I said this before, David Ferry in the very
Speaker 2: beginning of that movie, he's in Garrison's office for like
Speaker 2: three or four minutes and it's obvious David Ferry is lying.
Speaker 2: Oliver Stone knew this well enough to put in the
Speaker 2: film that David Ferry was lying about his stupid trip
Speaker 2: to go geese hunting or right, yeah, he.
Speaker 1: Says that, yeah, yeah, we have costers saying, well, you know, dad,
Speaker 1: I fend your story unbelievable, right, And there's a comedic
Speaker 1: a comedic, and I wonder.
Speaker 2: Because he's like, really, it's so good. I love it.
Speaker 2: I love that movie. I love it to death. But
Speaker 2: for different reasons than into the Kennedy story. It's like, really,
Speaker 2: it's a masterpiece of filmmaking. It's a lot of propaganda,
Speaker 2: but overall, I definitely recommend it. It's not only as
Speaker 2: it entertaining. It will give you that you'll get the
Speaker 2: gist of what's going on and why there's a controversy
Speaker 2: in the first place. It's not until you peel back
Speaker 2: those layers you find it. The story wasn't really adequately represented.
Speaker 2: One thing I'm really puzzled over is I've said this before,
Speaker 2: when you can tell that Garrison knew a lot more
Speaker 2: than he actually ever said in the way he structured
Speaker 2: his files. When you go through his Garrison files, like
Speaker 2: when you go through the Winterland file or when you
Speaker 2: go through the Sergey R. Kata file, it's like thirty
Speaker 2: five pages about the Winterland. Why would he do that?
Speaker 2: It wasn't a mistake, Okay, he knew Sergei Arcoachu went
Speaker 2: to the Winterland right. Same thing with the Carry Thornley file.
Speaker 2: The very first page of the Carry Thornley File is
Speaker 2: a note about JD. Tipett because he knew Carry Thornley
Speaker 2: shot JD. Tippett. The second page in the Carry Thornly
Speaker 2: File is the page about Doug Jones printing because he
Speaker 2: knew Oswald didn't print the flyers. But Jim Garrison never
Speaker 2: said these things out loud, never, but it was obvious
Speaker 2: he knew them, or else he wouldn't put him in
Speaker 2: the damn files the way he did. It's just makes
Speaker 2: sense to me that way. So I don't understand why
Speaker 2: Jim Garrison didn't even his final book that was unpublished, like,
Speaker 2: he didn't talk about any of this stuff. So I
Speaker 2: don't know what his deal was, And how the hell he,
Speaker 2: of all people, never put David Ferry in Dallas to
Speaker 2: me blows me away.
Speaker 1: Well, I think the obvious thing in the world, and
Speaker 1: you and you do, and you say, how do people
Speaker 1: not realize this? And I think it's because you know,
Speaker 1: you trust somebody like a Garrison right as a researcher saying,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's a weird story. Let me see
Speaker 1: where it's weird. And because Garrison, you know, and you're
Speaker 1: not even and so you're not looking farther in, but
Speaker 1: you did, and the Caulter Garone thing, and you get
Speaker 1: a lot of flack. People are connecting Calvi Garone with
Speaker 1: Valenti though, and you're getting a lot of flack for
Speaker 1: where you put Valenti in McIntyre two.
Speaker 2: Et cetera. Right, right, that's fine, I'll take the flack.
Speaker 2: I mean, the alternative story doesn't make any sense. So
Speaker 2: he's in the position where Jack Ready should be. Jack
Speaker 2: Reedy puts himself inside the front row of the limousine
Speaker 2: secret service car in Daily Plaza. And when you read
Speaker 2: his statement, but he's not. So he lied right and
Speaker 2: so and unless he's shrunk six inches, it's not it's
Speaker 2: not Ready, okay, And so these guys are all liars.
Speaker 2: And what really gets me is, and to me, the
Speaker 2: ultimate proof is the guy standing next to him is
Speaker 2: one hundred percent, without question, David Morales. And so once
Speaker 2: you realize that, you realize there's a picture of Joe
Speaker 2: Nitas and Daily Plaza. And if you believe that Larry
Speaker 2: Floor is actually Ted Shackley, which I did, get a
Speaker 2: seventy seven percent positive on facial recognition as Ted Shackley
Speaker 2: is Larry Floor. Then you got the top three guys
Speaker 2: at jam Wave in there in daily Plaza, and so
Speaker 2: that all made sense to me. And the fact that
Speaker 2: who was it Dave Powers. I made a mistake in
Speaker 2: my book, right, I have to correct this. I thought
Speaker 2: Dave Powers got out of the vehicle. He didn't. He
Speaker 2: was in Dally. He was in the vehicle the whole time.
Speaker 2: So once you realize Dave Powers and Kenny O'Donnell, who
Speaker 2: were two of Kennedy's closest friends, like actual friends, once
Speaker 2: you come to realize that they were they never said
Speaker 2: a word about this stuff. You know, it makes you
Speaker 2: realize everybody was in on it, even his buddies. So
Speaker 2: I don't understand why they never came forward. Kenny o'donnald
Speaker 2: drank himself to death in nineteen seventy seven, and so
Speaker 2: I have no doubts that's why. But the Valentia called
Speaker 2: the girn stuff was the most thing that blew me away,
Speaker 2: more than I think anything else in the entire assassination.
Speaker 2: When I realized that Jack Valenti's sister had married Vincent
Speaker 2: Calton Geron Junior and Vincent Caldegron Junior's first cousin ran
Speaker 2: the Winderland and it was owned by Lyndon Johnson. Give
Speaker 2: me a break. This is this is this is conspiracy headquarters.
Speaker 2: If you ask me, Mary Booz Roberts allegedly goes to
Speaker 2: work for NASA. No, she didn't. I can't find a
Speaker 2: single reference to her name in any of the NASA documents.
Speaker 2: I spent a long time looking. She just isn't. There
Speaker 2: is a front anybody and Kennedy who allegedly went to
Speaker 2: work for NASA or Marshaud or Lockheed or General Dynamics. No,
Speaker 2: these guys are spooks and those are fronts. And those
Speaker 2: guys probably had their paychecks funneled how to for baristas
Speaker 2: at a coffee shop make good NASA employees, you know,
Speaker 2: give me a break. So stupid, right, And this is
Speaker 2: it is another thing people need to understand the concept
Speaker 2: of reading between the lines. Okay, the documents are not
Speaker 2: going to tell you the goods. They're going to give
Speaker 2: you a data and you have to look at the
Speaker 2: data and collate it and then be like, oh, I
Speaker 2: see what's really going on? Here and nobody wants to
Speaker 2: read between the lines. Nobody, and then when they do
Speaker 2: read between the lines, they come up with some nonsense like,
Speaker 2: you know, James Files shot Kennedy or something ridiculous like that.
Speaker 1: All right, two more questions, Corey. How much stock do
Speaker 1: you put in the Winnipeg incident.
Speaker 2: You're talking about the herald Isaac stuff at the airport.
Speaker 1: Right, Richard Guines Brick. Yes, so I supposedly here's people
Speaker 1: shouting ah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the Isaac thing I'm kind of interested in
Speaker 2: because I'm confused over his alleged relationship because Isaac's was
Speaker 2: supposed to be some kind of like there's two different
Speaker 2: references to him, one that he was a CIA asset
Speaker 2: doing the CIA stuff and the other references that he
Speaker 2: was some communist professor at a college. So I need
Speaker 2: to get some clarity on that situation. But the situation
Speaker 2: with him and David Ferry at the airport and it
Speaker 2: was allegedly some car that got crushed in the story,
Speaker 2: I don't know what to make of it. I don't
Speaker 2: doubt it the descriptions given by the guy. See when
Speaker 2: people provide details that there don't really understand the relevance
Speaker 2: of those details. But they're making the difference to the investigator,
Speaker 2: then you can pretty much tell that person's telling the
Speaker 2: truth because they would they know stuff that they shouldn't
Speaker 2: otherwise know. And I believe that's the case with this incident.
Speaker 2: The overall relevance in the larger picture of things, I
Speaker 2: really can't fit it in anywhere. Yeah, I don't have
Speaker 2: any doubts that that as that the incident probably occurred
Speaker 2: just as he said it.
Speaker 1: Did you know? I believe from my piecing together that
Speaker 1: it was the same day as the funeral for Fairy's uncle,
Speaker 1: because there was one critic saying, now, you couldn't have
Speaker 1: done it because his uncle was buried that day.
Speaker 2: Do we know he was at the funeral?
Speaker 1: We do, he was a pallbearer. However, Catholic funerals are
Speaker 1: in the morning. It's a two and a half hour
Speaker 1: flight from Cleveland to Winnipeg. Fairy could have flown from
Speaker 1: Cleveland to Winnipeg for an afternoon meeting. It's not out
Speaker 1: of the rema possibility.
Speaker 2: So then the next question I have is what is
Speaker 2: the relationship between Ferry and Isaacs And Isaac's allegedly was
Speaker 2: photographed at the airport on November twenty second. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you were aware of this. There's speculation that
Speaker 2: there is a photo that he is. There's a picture
Speaker 2: of Kennedy driving in the row in his car and
Speaker 2: the Scott like Thomas Beckham in the background, which I
Speaker 2: thought was ironic. But in that row of photographers and stuff,
Speaker 2: it is alleged that Isaacs was one of those people
Speaker 2: in that row. I don't understand. So, I mean, he
Speaker 2: should probably I should probably spend more time on him
Speaker 2: at some point, but yeah, added to my list. But
Speaker 2: he seems like he was in the mix somehow. I
Speaker 2: don't know how. So a lot of times, one of
Speaker 2: the reasons I went with finding out who the shooters were,
Speaker 2: and then once you have the shooters, you can obviously
Speaker 2: backtrack to who their bosses were, right, and then trace
Speaker 2: that back to the larger shell of the conspiracy. But
Speaker 2: people like that I can't really put into like the
Speaker 2: chain of command that leads to the shooters, and so
Speaker 2: I probably just chuck them into that conspiracy layer that
Speaker 2: I mentioned and where you're never really going to get
Speaker 2: any clarification.
Speaker 1: All Right, you say there's two individuals who are still alive,
Speaker 1: that could could talk right right, William Seymour and Paul
Speaker 1: andis okay. So I talked to Matt Crumpton J S L.
Speaker 2: V DFK because I showed him the pictures you know,
Speaker 2: of where Landis was supposed to be on the side
Speaker 2: of the car. To me, it's an obvious picture of Morales.
Speaker 2: But in communicating with him on X it was where
Speaker 2: he showed. I showed him the picture. He responded that
Speaker 2: it's definitely not Landis on the car. So that to
Speaker 2: me is a major n road has that That was
Speaker 2: just like a private diary. That's not like a video interviewer. No, No,
Speaker 2: just a private conversation. So sure Seymour still live as
Speaker 2: of like six months ago. Yeah, it was information. I
Speaker 2: got his information here somewhere. I got his he's in Phoenix.
Speaker 1: You sent it to me. You sent it to me.
Speaker 1: What if we call them?
Speaker 2: I feel like it's a necessity that someone has to
Speaker 2: What do we do right now? That's that's never been
Speaker 2: my I've never been a guy who interviewed. I'm a
Speaker 2: data minor. I just mind the data that's out there.
Speaker 2: I don't go out and do fresh interviews.
Speaker 1: What if they try, you tried the numbers. I could
Speaker 1: put him on speaker. I have a feeling he's dead. Corey,
Speaker 1: I think he died. You do, yes, I would call.
Speaker 1: I would call and confirm if he's alive.
Speaker 2: What what inclination do you have that he might be dead?
Speaker 1: I thought I saw it. I thought I saw an
Speaker 1: oh bit. I don't want to back off right now.
Speaker 1: I have his number right here, I call him.
Speaker 2: Sure, let me get my popcorn.
Speaker 1: Here. This is a mobile.
Speaker 2: Your call has been forwarded to voicemail. The person you're
Speaker 2: trying to reach is not available at the tone.
Speaker 1: Please record your message. When you have finished recording, you
Speaker 1: may hang up. Hi. This is James Day. I'm a
Speaker 1: researcher in California and I was looking to chat with William.
Speaker 1: If he's around, could he give me a call please?
Speaker 1: Two zero five five three one five seven eighty five.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Everyone has my phone number now, but let's
Speaker 1: call the landline completed and styled all right.
Speaker 2: Interesting. So I don't know when this was, maybe eighties,
Speaker 2: maybe nineties, but there's a picture of William Seymour at
Speaker 2: like a JFK conference with a big beard. Not take
Speaker 2: some balls. Yeah, if I was these guys. I would
Speaker 2: never if the if I were these guys, once I
Speaker 2: got out of Dallas, I would be like, I don't
Speaker 2: know what you're talking about. I don't know who's Kennedy, right,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I wouldn't have anything to do with any
Speaker 2: of these people. And that's pretty much how it's been. Well, then,
Speaker 2: when I look at people who people try to put
Speaker 2: Jerry Hemming in daily plaza, I can't do it. And
Speaker 2: Jerry Hemming had no problem given interviews for twenty years
Speaker 2: after the assassination. So I definitely don't think Jerry Hemming
Speaker 2: was there.
Speaker 1: What about Sturges? Where do you come down on him?
Speaker 1: Frank Sturgis, he often gave interviews.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is an interesting one. You got the
Speaker 2: whole story about him in a caravan with the Diaz
Speaker 2: brother the Diaz Lands brothers coming in. That whole story's bunk.
Speaker 2: Marita Lorenz is full of shit. I don't buy for
Speaker 2: a second she was a Castro assassin whatever, Like, none
Speaker 2: of that story makes any sense to me. There's no
Speaker 2: substantiation for any of what she said. However, I am
Speaker 2: one hundred percent convinced that I have a picture of
Speaker 2: the Howard Hunt and Daly Plaza, not for any of
Speaker 2: the standard pictures that we'd ever seen. It was a
Speaker 2: zoomate on a photograph I found, So if he was there,
Speaker 2: Ozar Sturgis was there, But we have nothing linking them
Speaker 2: to it at all. I looked. I can't find a
Speaker 2: damn thing Lincoln him to Dallas or any of the stuff.
Speaker 2: So I really don't know. I really don't know that
Speaker 2: whole crew with who was it Bernard Barker. You know
Speaker 2: that one guy who was allegedly seen by a witness
Speaker 2: at Daily Plaza. I don't buy that statement either. I
Speaker 2: think that guy saw Lennie Patrick, Lenny Patrick and uh
Speaker 2: and at that time, Lenny Patt and Bernard Barker were
Speaker 2: basically identical bad guys with glasses. So I'm convinced the
Speaker 2: guy he saw it was Lenny Patrick because I placed
Speaker 2: Dave Yaris as the shooter between the progole and the
Speaker 2: fence that was edited out of the Knicks film because
Speaker 2: the next film was cropped for many years until I
Speaker 2: don't know when the unedded diversion came out, But there's
Speaker 2: some shenanigans going on with that film too. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of weird stuff. It's a pruiter, people frozen in time,
Speaker 2: not moving as the truck as a limos going by,
Speaker 2: you know, same kind of stuff happening in the Knicks film.
Speaker 2: So but yeah, I put I put Jarris and Patrick
Speaker 2: in Neely Plasa, so I'm I can't put Bernard Barker there,
Speaker 2: and so I'm convinced the man that he saw was
Speaker 2: actually Lenny Patrick.
Speaker 1: Okay, last question then Ruby at when the shooting went down,
Speaker 1: do you believe the story? Uh? Where do you put him? Then? Ruby? Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ruby was on the street with a guy named Villa.
Speaker 2: Was it Vanderslice? Was that the name? You've read the
Speaker 2: Vandersliss story. It's hilarious story, hilarious story. On the way
Speaker 2: to give it his interview, vander Slits gets beat up
Speaker 2: and punched in the lip or something and then you
Speaker 2: never up again. Yeah, Jack Ruby's out on the street.
Speaker 2: Jack Ruby is seen by you know, he's seen in
Speaker 2: the green truck. The green truck is paramount. He's seen
Speaker 2: in the green truck dropping off the guy with the
Speaker 2: plaid you know shirt with the soacat allegedly with a rifle.
Speaker 2: Who saw that it wasn't Jean Hill.
Speaker 1: It was. It was one of the other one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was in one of the other way and says,
Speaker 2: so we have the Jack Ruby out there about eleven
Speaker 2: o'clock dropping people off. But at the exact same time
Speaker 2: the Jack Ruby's dropping people off, people are seeing Jack
Speaker 2: Ruby at the Dallas Morning News building where he happens
Speaker 2: to sit there for like two hours. Why the hell
Speaker 2: would he be sitting there for two hours? Okay, because
Speaker 2: it wasn't Jack Ruby. This is where Samuel Ruby comes in.
Speaker 2: Samuel Ruby was the one who sat up in the
Speaker 2: Dallas Morning News office. Well, Jack Ruby was out on
Speaker 2: the street with Vander Slice and doing all that stuff.
Speaker 2: From there, you got Jack Ruby is seen at Parkland Hospital,
Speaker 2: and then throughout the weekend, you have multiple sightings of
Speaker 2: Jack Ruby throughout Dallas. But I can tell you Jack
Speaker 2: Ruby left Dallas and went to Galveston, most likely to
Speaker 2: bring black men back to his boat, because black men
Speaker 2: had to get back to the port and in Galveston
Speaker 2: where his boat was stationed.
Speaker 1: For the weekend.
Speaker 2: And so that's what I concluded. Plus, Jack Ruby was
Speaker 2: seen a in like a sporting goods store or a
Speaker 2: hardware store buying a gun. On that Saturday. That was
Speaker 2: a witness told the FBI that and he said he
Speaker 2: recognized the guy because it was the same guy with
Speaker 2: the same square hairline and hat that was that shot Oswald.
Speaker 2: He said he saw that guy, and so that makes
Speaker 2: perfect sense to me. Then you got like this Saturday
Speaker 2: night where they're booked into like two different hotels the
Speaker 2: same night, you know, the Saturday night at the Alam
Speaker 2: Motel and Saturday night at the drift Wood in Galveston.
Speaker 2: They're checked into both both nights. But then a blonde
Speaker 2: woman was seen by the staff at the Alam Motel.
Speaker 2: And where is the Ala Motel? The Ala Motel. This
Speaker 2: is the best part for me because no everyone always
Speaker 2: talks about the Winterland ice skating rink. No one in
Speaker 2: the history of Kennedy has ever mentioned the Gateway Swim
Speaker 2: and skate, which is what the real story about Houston is.
Speaker 2: So the Gateway swim and Skate. When you look at
Speaker 2: the documents of the phone calls made from the Alam Motel,
Speaker 2: one of them was made to a quote unidentified number,
Speaker 2: a local number, and it was unidentified. Well, thank god
Speaker 2: for Google, because it took me about thirty seconds to
Speaker 2: put that unidentified number into Google to figure out that
Speaker 2: it came back to the building next door, which was
Speaker 2: the Gateway Swim and Skate. And then this connects to
Speaker 2: Vincent called the Geron Junior right, And this is where
Speaker 2: I connected him to be the short Tramp besides the
Speaker 2: photographic evidence, because they get down there and they go
Speaker 2: to the Gateway. Although he called what did Ferry call it?
Speaker 2: He called it the bell Air? He called it the
Speaker 2: bail Air skating Rink. Well, guess what. The bail Air
Speaker 2: Skating Rink was knocked down in nineteen fifty nine and
Speaker 2: in its place was built the Gateway Swim and Skate.
Speaker 2: So Number one had a hell did Ferry know about
Speaker 2: the bell Air if it hadn't been there for four years?
Speaker 2: That tells me his relationship with his relationship with these
Speaker 2: people goes on for a long time. He'd been doing
Speaker 2: something in Houston for a long time. If he knew
Speaker 2: about the bell Air because it wasn't the bell Air,
Speaker 2: not for a long time. That's a I love the
Speaker 2: little pieces of evidence that give you without even knowing it.
Speaker 2: And then the Gateway Swim and Skate would go on
Speaker 2: to become the Downtown Houston YMCA and that's where Vincent
Speaker 2: called the Geron was a taught scuba and so to me,
Speaker 2: it was pretty obvious that cult your own had been
Speaker 2: working at the Gateway before it was the Houston YMCA.
Speaker 2: That's why the phone calls were probably made. They probably
Speaker 2: drove him back from Dallas to Houston, because there is
Speaker 2: one document that indicates they did stop at the Winterland
Speaker 2: at like four o'clock in the morning before going to
Speaker 2: the Allen Hotel. Why'd they do that? They probably dropped
Speaker 2: Vincent called the Groen Junior off at the Winterland for
Speaker 2: whatever reason, and then went to the hotel. Then the
Speaker 2: next day they're calling him while he's at work at
Speaker 2: the Gateway. That's the conclusions I drew based on the
Speaker 2: available data. But the only person to ever really identify
Speaker 2: that phone number, and it's not even in a context
Speaker 2: that most people would recognize, was Jim Garrison. Jim Garrison
Speaker 2: actually has in his notes on one page a reference
Speaker 2: to the Gateway, the Gateway. Skate Rinky called it.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: It's one drop reference without any context. And so I
Speaker 2: found that after I identified it. It's amazing when you
Speaker 2: go on a lot of the information I pulled from
Speaker 2: about the Gateway and the Winterland I got from local
Speaker 2: Houston forums. There was a Houston Architecture forum that had
Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff about the Winterland and the Gateway
Speaker 2: and all this stuff. And yeah, it seems like it's
Speaker 2: amazing because I have a feeling once upon a time,
Speaker 2: in a lesser technological age, places like the Gateway would
Speaker 2: have been booming establishments. You can go swimming and ice
Speaker 2: skating and all this stuff all in one place, and
Speaker 2: like people just don't do that anymore, and it breaks
Speaker 2: my heart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, I do have to ask. I forgot,
Speaker 1: but I want to make sure I get this from you.
Speaker 1: The drug aspect of things, You know, we hear about
Speaker 1: the French connection Marseille and all that. Of course again
Speaker 1: drug trade and everything. How important, How how much of
Speaker 1: an aspect or an element was the drugs and to
Speaker 1: all of this, I.
Speaker 2: Really don't know. I really don't know. So we all
Speaker 2: hear have heard about the heroine story from the Semen
Speaker 2: coming into the gavels and port. That's the only place
Speaker 2: the drug story really comes into it. I don't know
Speaker 2: what kind of deal they could have possibly had going on,
Speaker 2: the dear bastard letter makes it kind of seem like
Speaker 2: it didn't make it seem like, uh, he was setting
Speaker 2: up a deal for like kilo's worth of stuff.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's hey, brings the more, bring a lot of it,
Speaker 2: brings the more of that cloud nine he called it
Speaker 2: cloud nine. You know, bring a lot more when you
Speaker 2: come back. Hey, bring a lot more. Doesn't indicate he's
Speaker 2: bringing kilos or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Right, And so what still puzzles me is why that
Speaker 2: Semen's name is left out of the documents. Because it's
Speaker 2: clear as day this Frouge, the lieutenant for the state
Speaker 2: police in Louisiana, he identified the sailor by name. He
Speaker 2: knew his name, but the name does not appear in
Speaker 2: any document.
Speaker 1: Why is that?
Speaker 2: That's that means somebody censored the documents, and the documents
Speaker 2: that do have the name were mixed. And when Francis
Speaker 2: Frouge is asked in an interview years later, he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I forgot the name. You forgot the name. You forgot
Speaker 2: the name. Give me a break. Forgot the name? What's
Speaker 2: wrong with you? You're a cop? How you forget a name?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, I don't know. I don't know where
Speaker 2: the drugs fall into it. The mafia. You always hear
Speaker 2: people say the mafia didn't deal drugs.
Speaker 1: BS.
Speaker 2: They dealt drugs. They might not have liked it, but
Speaker 2: they did it.
Speaker 1: And so for this idea of the CIA running heroin
Speaker 1: to what Harlem to jazz clubs to like get the
Speaker 1: black population hooked, I mean, at some point, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Where to say, Okay, well, we know for fact, the
Speaker 2: origins of the US government's involvement in the drug trade
Speaker 2: goes back to Arnold Rothstein in like the nineteen twenties.
Speaker 1: So what was it?
Speaker 2: It was the Federal Bureau of Narcotics they had backed
Speaker 2: was that it was called so Yet those guys were
Speaker 2: all on Rostein's payroll, so it got shut down because
Speaker 2: they were all on the take. Rothstein ends up connecting
Speaker 2: the FEDS to Shanghai Shek in China, and I believe
Speaker 2: that the FEDS overlooked Rostein's importation of opium and heroin
Speaker 2: from the Chinese because he was helping them get connected
Speaker 2: to people for political reasons in China, which is crazy
Speaker 2: when you have the US government going to a drug
Speaker 2: dealer to get connected to China. What is wrong with
Speaker 2: our world, and so but that's exactly what happened. And
Speaker 2: so then by like if you've ever read if you
Speaker 2: haven't read them yet, you need to read Doug Valentine's
Speaker 2: book Strength of the Wolf and Strength of the Pack.
Speaker 2: Those were priceless. Basically, the DEA has been a compromised
Speaker 2: organization from day one. The DEA came about to replace
Speaker 2: all these corrupt organizations, the CIA immediately infiltrated, took over
Speaker 2: their internal affairs, and then looked the other way for
Speaker 2: the CIA's drug trafficking. So we could think about a
Speaker 2: hundred percent certainty the CIA has controlled the drug trade
Speaker 2: in this country for decades decades. Then you have the
Speaker 2: Freeway Ricky Ross stuff with the cocaine in Los Angeles,
Speaker 2: more evidence of them funneling drugs into our country. And
Speaker 2: then when you look at like LSD and like the
Speaker 2: really like LSD in particular, they did all this stuff
Speaker 2: with Midnight Climax and all the experimentation with MK Ultra
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. Okay, you ain't whipping up LSD
Speaker 2: in your garage. Sorry, you need a big professional laboratory
Speaker 2: to make that stuff. And who had the big labs
Speaker 2: at the time universities. My dad, who was just a
Speaker 2: hippie in New York. He died many years ago, but
Speaker 2: in the sixties he knew a guy who was a
Speaker 2: professor at a college in New York who had a
Speaker 2: license to manufacture LSD from the government. So the government
Speaker 2: was in on the manufacturing of drugs. The government's controlled
Speaker 2: the drug trade from day one. So then when I
Speaker 2: see like Trump wanting to blow up Venezuelan and boats
Speaker 2: because they're importing the drugs, It's like, screw you, buddy.
Speaker 2: Your CIA is the ones helping them.
Speaker 1: So what is this?
Speaker 2: What is the charade you're pulling down in South America?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? It's all fiction, smoke and mirrors.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the CIA is controlled the drug trade forever.
Speaker 2: I mean, look what happened in Afghanistan, Like when the
Speaker 2: Taliban went in and killed the opium production.
Speaker 1: What do we do.
Speaker 2: We went in there, invaded and we put it right
Speaker 2: back in place, Like, give me, why would we do that?
Speaker 2: It's really it's offensive, it's insulting, and it makes me
Speaker 2: completely lose respect for all of our our government because
Speaker 2: everyone else knows about it. Everyone knows about it. They
Speaker 2: do nothing because the people don't control the government. The
Speaker 2: intelligence world controls the government, and they don't give a
Speaker 2: goddamn fuck about us. They care about their international business
Speaker 2: dealings in Israel and all that.
Speaker 1: Stuff, the relationships and the families and that. That really
Speaker 1: is a great takeaway from your work, and we need
Speaker 1: to follow that more. Those connections that you're pulling out
Speaker 1: are aren't hard to find. It's putting them together, and
Speaker 1: you got to keep it up. I know, I know
Speaker 1: you're wanting to get burned out, but don't stay with it.
Speaker 2: Well, I've already started something I have no choice but
Speaker 2: to finish, meaning my series on Oswald, which is a
Speaker 2: minimum a minimum four parts, because Oswald's life can be
Speaker 2: broken into four segments. His life up till he joins
Speaker 2: the Marines, the Marines Russia, and then sixty two to
Speaker 2: the end. That's it. That's the four segments of his life.
Speaker 2: They all deserve a book, and so I have no
Speaker 2: choice but to finish those, you.
Speaker 1: Know, speaking of that, we may have to wait until
Speaker 1: the volume comes out. But I keep asking last questions,
Speaker 1: but this will be the last one. Who did he
Speaker 1: who did Oswald call? For his one phone call that
Speaker 1: he got in and significant the John phone call is
Speaker 1: that significant? So what I've been told is it is significant. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: the call was never completed, They never made the call.
Speaker 1: There's some controversy over that. Some researcher even tried to
Speaker 1: come up and say that John Hurt made the call
Speaker 1: to the jail, not the other way around, which is
Speaker 1: the dumbest thing I ever heard. And then they came
Speaker 1: up with the story how he was an alcoholic and
Speaker 1: that's why he did it and so. But no, So
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this story. Ryan Dawson, who is another researcher.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have anything out on Kennedy, but he studied
Speaker 1: Kenny a long time ago. His father owned a business
Speaker 1: in North Carolina. He's from North Carolina, and one of
Speaker 1: the employees of his business became his friend. And this
Speaker 1: man was the son of Oswald's real handler. And Ryan
Speaker 1: told me the story directly.
Speaker 2: Ryan will I don't know if he'll ever come out
Speaker 2: with a book or talk about this on his own,
Speaker 2: so I tell the story for him because he refuses
Speaker 2: to do so. But he actually met the man who
Speaker 2: was Oswald's real handler confirmed John Hurt was the cutout.
Speaker 2: And that's about as much as I know about the story.
Speaker 2: I know that he met the guy, Yeah, Dawson did.
Speaker 2: And Dawson met him because his father's business had something
Speaker 2: to do with boats, and he actually went out on
Speaker 2: a boat with him and they had a boat ride
Speaker 2: and they talked about it. And so that's the story
Speaker 2: as it was related to me. Do I believe that story? Yes,
Speaker 2: I do. Ryan might be full of shit about a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff, but a lot of the private conversations
Speaker 2: we have had, I can tell that he wasn't full
Speaker 2: of shit about some of the stuff. So that story,
Speaker 2: I definitely believe. He has that answer right now. He'll
Speaker 2: never tell you or anyone else or me for it.
Speaker 2: He wouldn't give me the name, obviously, But I do
Speaker 2: believe that story. And the idea that Oswald would call
Speaker 2: somebody in North Carolina, which is what's in North Carolina
Speaker 2: nag's head, which is O and I right to me,
Speaker 2: the whole O and I connects really becomes obvious in
Speaker 2: his early life. That's why I'm willing to stay with confidence.
Speaker 2: He might have been working with the CIA, but it
Speaker 2: seems more like he was manipulating, manipulated and handled by
Speaker 2: the CIA. But his underlying position was with OH and
Speaker 2: I Intelligence. Yeah, and that's that that makes sense with
Speaker 2: the Banister connections, you know, because Banister would have been
Speaker 2: in on this loop through.
Speaker 1: O and I. That is that confirmed that Banister was
Speaker 1: OH and I. I've just thought it was just kind
Speaker 1: of rumors put out there by other folks.
Speaker 2: It's in his obituary that he was in the navy
Speaker 2: and so okay, wow, Cory Well and he was in
Speaker 2: his obituary he talked, they talked about how he was
Speaker 2: in the Scottish Right and all that stuff. Also, and
Speaker 2: I'm telling you there is a naval connect There was
Speaker 2: a naval intelligence Scottish Right connection.
Speaker 1: There is.
Speaker 2: I can't figure it out, but I've come across at
Speaker 2: least three different people in this in the background of
Speaker 2: the story who are naval intelligence connected to this Scottish
Speaker 2: Right And so I keep thinking, I can't help but
Speaker 2: think that there's this is where you know, intelligence people
Speaker 2: get to conspire with non intelligence people through the secret societies.
Speaker 1: Corey, thanks love for your time. Man, I'll let you go.
Speaker 2: Problem