Speaker 1: Welcome to dorky Out. My name is Sonia Mansfield and
Speaker 1: Regulators maun Um. Joining me is my podcasting sister from
Speaker 1: Another Mister and the Coast of dorkying Out. Margot d Hello,
Speaker 1: my friend.
Speaker 2: Uh, hello, my friend. I was gonna sing Blaze of Glory,
Speaker 2: but then I had to realize, like, oh no, that's
Speaker 2: the second movie. I think everybody does that.
Speaker 1: I think we Yeah, I just assume that songs for
Speaker 1: both movies. But you are correct, it's in the second one.
Speaker 1: But I don't care. That's fine, go ahead sing it.
Speaker 2: Oh no, thanks, No, nobody needs to hear that.
Speaker 1: No, we are dorkying out. About nineteen eighty eight Young Guns,
Speaker 1: directed by Christopher Caine, written by John Fusco, and its
Speaker 1: stars Saint Elmo's Cowboys. Basically, that's exactly what's happening here.
Speaker 1: It's Emilio Estevez, Keeper Sutherland, Lou Diamond Phillips. He looks so,
Speaker 1: he looks so good in this movie. I didn't appreciate him,
Speaker 1: and I did not in eighty eight the way I
Speaker 1: do now.
Speaker 2: But yeah, oh I did. But he's ages like a
Speaker 2: fine wine. He looks. He still looks great.
Speaker 1: Correct, Charlie Sheen Dermott mulrooney playing someone named Dirty Steve.
Speaker 2: These names are hilarious.
Speaker 1: Casey Smeco.
Speaker 2: Mosco, it's she Mosco me, Oh my god, I.
Speaker 1: Haven't looked up how to pronounce.
Speaker 2: I worked with his sister, but a thing long time ago.
Speaker 1: I forgot that he was in this, and he does
Speaker 1: a really good job.
Speaker 2: He's great. I think they both should be working more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, Terrence Stamp Jack Palance is in there. My friend,
Speaker 1: did you see this in the theater?
Speaker 2: You're goddamn right. I did in nineteen eighty eight. This
Speaker 2: was this was appointment viewing for me. I saw this,
Speaker 2: and uh, I because I had a crush on every
Speaker 2: single one of them. Yes, yes, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't watch enough Westerns. I want to see a
Speaker 2: modern Western. And I really enjoyed it. Though I have
Speaker 2: the same I'm gonna complain about the same thing that
Speaker 2: I usually complained about. It's like, this plot is really confusing.
Speaker 2: I have no i to who anybody is. I have
Speaker 2: no idea who the good guys and bad guys are.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the point.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm it is. The The script is actually really
Speaker 1: repetitive and you're just a little bit because the whole
Speaker 1: so let's we're going to get into it. I saw
Speaker 1: it in the theater too, again because I had crushes
Speaker 1: on almost all of these people, like especially Emilio Estevez,
Speaker 1: Keeper Sutherland. Yeah, I was all.
Speaker 2: Keifer was big for me at that time because it's
Speaker 2: also after Lost Boys.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and Keifer playing like a rare like softy,
Speaker 1: good guy post type. It's like not his usual thing.
Speaker 1: He usually played real creeps because he's real good at that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was Meryl. Yes, it was all about this movie
Speaker 1: when I saw it. The whole movie is it's about
Speaker 1: Billy the Kid. So it's Billy the Kid and his
Speaker 1: regulators and they basically are taken All of these guys
Speaker 1: are taken in by Terrence Stamp who's like an English
Speaker 1: guy who owns a farm in like eighteen seventy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he just talked about Priscilla. He's so again another one
Speaker 1: who usually seems to play bad guys. Yeah, playing a
Speaker 1: really good guy. Here he owns land where I think
Speaker 1: it's like eighteen seventy seven. They're in like Arizona, New Mexico.
Speaker 1: I forget anyway, it doesn't matter and he I'm like,
Speaker 1: is he like running a like camp for bad boys.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's doing there, but he's taken
Speaker 1: in all of these like questionable morals, these men with
Speaker 1: questionable morals and giving them a home and teaching them
Speaker 1: to read, and they work on the farm. He takes
Speaker 1: in Emilio Estevez who's playing Billy the Kid, and he's
Speaker 1: just very nice to them. He's like, they work on
Speaker 1: his farm, they like all eat together as a family. There,
Speaker 1: he's teaching them to read. There's all of these things.
Speaker 1: And then Jack Palance and his crew show up, and
Speaker 1: Curly Curly shows up with his crew, and he's he
Speaker 1: wants Terence stamps land and also Terence Stamp owns like
Speaker 1: a meat shop, and Jack Palance also owns the meat shop.
Speaker 1: So he's like, there's not room. There's town's not big
Speaker 1: enough for the pops. Yes, And so they are, you know,
Speaker 1: exchanging words or whatever, and then he leaves. This happens
Speaker 1: a lot. It's a lot of like all these different
Speaker 1: like crews getting together and like talking and then like
Speaker 1: taking out their guns and pointing them at each other
Speaker 1: and then separating and going their separate ways. And Terrence
Speaker 1: Stamp and his crew, like they refer to themselves as
Speaker 1: the regulators, and they, you know, have a big space,
Speaker 1: like we regulate any stealing off this property.
Speaker 2: And this is before warm g Yes.
Speaker 1: By the way, this was sampled in the War and
Speaker 1: G song Regulate, which is a dope song and I
Speaker 1: listened to right before we started recording. And each of
Speaker 1: them seems to kind of like have a special skill,
Speaker 1: like Billy the Kid is like really good with his guns,
Speaker 1: and Lou Diamond Phillips plays Chavez and he's really good
Speaker 1: with knives, and Charlie who is Casey with the last
Speaker 1: name I can't pronounce, is really good with his fists
Speaker 1: and Dirty Yeah, and like Steve Dirty Steve is really
Speaker 1: dirty and he is big Ben exactly, and then like
Speaker 1: Keefer Sutherland is doc who I guess is just he's
Speaker 1: like really book smart and maybe he went to medical
Speaker 1: school but he didn't finish or something. And I don't
Speaker 1: know what Charlie Sheen's special power is, but he's like
Speaker 1: the leader of the group until he isn't basically, and
Speaker 1: he wasn't like the biggest star at this time either.
Speaker 1: He was no platoon. He had done platoon, but like
Speaker 1: Emilio Estevez was the star for sure, like he was
Speaker 1: him and Keefer were the big deals in this movie. Well, oh,
Speaker 1: they all like go to a party together. And while
Speaker 1: they're it's like a New year z E party, I think,
Speaker 1: and they're all like dancing and shooting their guns in
Speaker 1: the air hop. And while they're there, Curlyce shows I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna call him Curly. Curly shows up and he
Speaker 1: brings with him like he has this Chinese girl that
Speaker 1: he's keeping, and it turns out he like took his
Speaker 1: clothes to the Chinese laundry and they messed up his
Speaker 1: shirt and then he just fully was like, well, now
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take your daughter's payment because he's such a
Speaker 1: fucking monster. And instantly like Keeper Sutherland's doc is like
Speaker 1: in love, yeah, dancing with her and he's reciting poetry
Speaker 1: and she's like, uh, I feel really bad for by
Speaker 1: the actress who plays this woman, her name is Alice Carter.
Speaker 1: She's beautiful, so beautiful, and I'm so sad that this
Speaker 1: character's only choices are old man Curly or this broke,
Speaker 1: dirty cowboy poet. Like this is the plot of the Materialists,
Speaker 1: by the way, like it's also the plot of that,
Speaker 1: so you get where it's going here. As they're like
Speaker 1: heading back to their farm, Curly's men show up and
Speaker 1: just kill Terrence Stamp And obviously the young guns cannot
Speaker 1: abide this kind of cold blooded murder, and so they
Speaker 1: are deputized and told to serve warrants to the people responsible.
Speaker 3: Was it Terry Quinn that deputizes them, yes, okay?
Speaker 1: Or or he gets the sheriff to do it, like
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, he's a lawyer in the town and
Speaker 1: he gets the like a judge, or no, he gets
Speaker 1: a judge I think actually to do it. And they're
Speaker 1: supposed to serve these warrants to people. That's the premise.
Speaker 2: You got way more than I did.
Speaker 1: But they don't. What happens is so they start trying
Speaker 1: to track down the men who are responsible. They already
Speaker 1: know who's responsible. It's like Curly and his men, and
Speaker 1: they're trying to track down like the the henchmen that
Speaker 1: pulled this off. They find one immediately at like some
Speaker 1: like brothel, and they send Billy in to do it,
Speaker 1: and they already know that like Billy's a hot head. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these murdered people I'm like, they know he's gonna kill him, right,
Speaker 1: because then they seem to be very surprised when he
Speaker 1: kills him, And I'm like, you you knew what you
Speaker 1: were doing when you sent in your hot head to
Speaker 1: like serve a warrant, but they all act very surprised.
Speaker 1: And there's there's a couple of drinking games you can
Speaker 1: play with this movie, and one of them is damn it, Billy.
Speaker 1: Every time someone says damn it, Billy, you could drink
Speaker 1: and you would get trashed, you might even die. So
Speaker 1: Billy just starts fully murdering people, and these guys help him.
Speaker 1: That's that's the movie.
Speaker 2: That's the movie.
Speaker 1: So he murders this guy, they like get on their horses,
Speaker 1: they run off, and then they all argue about, like,
Speaker 1: we shouldn't be murdering people. We're supposed to be serving
Speaker 1: the warrants. Then they track down someone else, Billy murders
Speaker 1: that person, and then they all run away and then
Speaker 1: they argue again about we should not be murdering people, Billy,
Speaker 1: we have to serve these warrants. This happens like four times, right,
Speaker 1: This is why you're like, what the fuck is this
Speaker 1: movie about? It's because it's the same thing over and over.
Speaker 2: They Yeah, he never learns his lesson.
Speaker 1: No, and they and they they never learn their lesson
Speaker 1: because they just do it over and over. And look
Speaker 1: back in our younger days, we probably all had a
Speaker 1: Billy in our group, Like we all had someone who
Speaker 1: acted like an asshole who stirred the pup right, But
Speaker 1: luckily that person in our life probably didn't have a gun.
Speaker 1: But these these men just do the same thing over
Speaker 1: and over. And that's why you're like, what is this
Speaker 1: movie about. Well, it's about arguing with Billy about killing
Speaker 1: people instead of serving warrants. That's what happens in this movie.
Speaker 2: And the traumas. They all share their traumas.
Speaker 1: Yes, And there is a scene where they all like
Speaker 1: Lou Diamond Phillips character Chavez like makes peyote and they
Speaker 1: all like go on a drug trip. Right, And this
Speaker 1: is the most unrealistic part of the movie because the
Speaker 1: Charlie Sheen character doesn't take the drugs. And I was like,
Speaker 1: no way would Charlie Sheen say no, winning it's this
Speaker 1: is my tiger blood, Like he could be so into it.
Speaker 1: So they like, yeah, go on their peyote journey and
Speaker 1: they're like we're in the spirit world, man, and like
Speaker 1: all this stuff. I remember thinking that was so hilarious
Speaker 1: when I was like, yeah, seventeen year old seeing this movie.
Speaker 1: But now I'm like, yeah, yeah, whatever. But then there's another.
Speaker 2: Same thing in the Doors by the way right, and
Speaker 2: then Wayne's World two has a Saint where.
Speaker 1: They yes ride the snake Billy the Kid, there's so
Speaker 1: another one of those incidents happened where they're like, we're
Speaker 1: going to serve a warrant and then Billy kills someone
Speaker 1: and it turns into a big shootout and they they
Speaker 1: but this time, like I think Doc gets shot in
Speaker 1: the hand, Chavez gets like a scratch or something, but
Speaker 1: Charlie Sheen's character gets killed, and it's pretty not dramatic
Speaker 1: at all, Like they're like, oh, well.
Speaker 3: Oh well, yeah he just kind of kills over.
Speaker 1: Yeah they're and they're like oops. So then they ride
Speaker 1: off and they like gather up again and damn it,
Speaker 1: Billy again, and then Doc is like I need to
Speaker 1: ride into town because I need to write Charlie Sheen's
Speaker 1: mom and let her know that he's dead, and hey,
Speaker 1: maybe i'll pick up some bandages while I'm there, and
Speaker 1: they're like, that's cool. They are wanted by the law.
Speaker 1: They are wanted now, they have like drawings of them
Speaker 1: in the papers. All these different bounty hunters are searching
Speaker 1: for them, and they continue to just like ride into
Speaker 1: towns and then get into gunfights with people. Doc goes
Speaker 1: into town immediately finds the Chinese girl Yen and like
Speaker 1: tries to make a big move again, and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like you, but I'm like again, these are her options, right,
Speaker 1: you know the only feat there's like two women in
Speaker 1: this movie, and one of them is a Chinese woman
Speaker 1: who's held captive and a lawyer's wife who actually gets
Speaker 1: to slap someone. So that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember the time being impressed by that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's a boys club.
Speaker 1: It's just definitely a boys club. Yeah, which is fine.
Speaker 1: It's a Western and that's Look, we have several more
Speaker 1: years until Bad Girls comes.
Speaker 2: Out, right, and we'll get to that one day.
Speaker 1: Yes, we will get to that one So he he
Speaker 1: rides into town, he's like doing his thing, and then
Speaker 1: they argue again about stop killing people, Billy and getting
Speaker 1: revenge isn't right, and then lou Diamond Phillips gets to
Speaker 1: give a big speech about how his whole reservation was slaughtered.
Speaker 1: He does a good job in the scene, and I
Speaker 1: think he says, like, I just want to go to California.
Speaker 1: I'm the last of my bloodline. I want to keep
Speaker 1: it going. And I just wrote in my notes, let
Speaker 1: me know where you end up. I'll meet you there, sir.
Speaker 1: But again they like then they just go into another
Speaker 1: town and they like kill a bunch of people. Why
Speaker 1: because Billy wants to.
Speaker 2: And yeah, Billy's a sociopath. Yeah, they can't seem to.
Speaker 2: And and he has like a likable giggle that that
Speaker 2: you know that that Estevas is like really proud of
Speaker 2: like he uses it all the time. And and after
Speaker 2: a while it's like this guy's just as he sees.
Speaker 3: You got to get rid of him. We cannot, you
Speaker 3: can't associate with this guy.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be bad news.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the the movie wants us to like
Speaker 1: Billy the kid. We're I think he's cool, and we're
Speaker 1: supposed to get while all the other guys are following him.
Speaker 2: He's rebellious, that's how he's presented. And it's like, no,
Speaker 2: he's kind of an asshole. I mean he's a psycho.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a total psycho. And there's I know, like
Speaker 1: people really did like Emilio Estevez's performance in this movie
Speaker 1: back in the day. It got pretty good reviews for that,
Speaker 1: and I watch it now and I'm like, it's actually
Speaker 1: pretty one note. He is just playing crazy the whole time, Like,
Speaker 1: even when they're in super dangerous situations, he is like, ha,
Speaker 1: isn't this fun? You know, it's like, yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get it, let's kill some people. Yeah, Like, and it's
Speaker 1: played for fun, for laughs, and not played in the
Speaker 1: serious way that this guy's a fucking psycho, and it's
Speaker 1: not treated that way. I don't right now.
Speaker 2: Billy the Kid, and that's been like an issue with
Speaker 2: Westerns and who they choose, you know, famous outlaws and
Speaker 2: how they're presented, like Butch Cassie and the Sundance Kid
Speaker 2: and Billy the Kid. In very famous Brady Bunch episode
Speaker 2: where I think it was Billy the Kid where Bobby
Speaker 2: Brady becomes obsessed with him and then he meets an
Speaker 2: old guy that his family was killed by him.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't remember that one. Oh, it's one
Speaker 1: of the bunch.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was one of the early Brady Bunch.
Speaker 2: And then of course we have to think of Bill
Speaker 2: and Ted's excellent adventure when they bring back Billy the Kid,
Speaker 2: of course, which is my favorite of the Billy the Kid.
Speaker 2: Yes performances.
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, good job Margo on that pool. That
Speaker 1: is a much better Billy the Kid. But there's a
Speaker 1: like again, they they like go into another town because
Speaker 1: they're like, we're all going to get killed, and Charlie's like, well,
Speaker 1: if we're all going to get killed, then I need
Speaker 1: to go get laid. So they're like, that's cool, let's
Speaker 1: all just head back into town where everybody wants is
Speaker 1: dead so that Charlie can get laid. And then he
Speaker 1: doesn't even get laid. He just goes in and he's
Speaker 1: like I just like to hold you, ma'am, and I'm
Speaker 1: like so wholesome. And they're all hanging out at the
Speaker 1: bar and there's this like very arrogant, like bounty hunter type.
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm here to kill Billy the Kid, and
Speaker 1: Billy the Kid Amelia Westavez just messes with him and
Speaker 1: then fully blows him away in the bar and everyone's like,
Speaker 1: what are.
Speaker 3: You gonna do.
Speaker 1: Oh, Billy, you troublemaker. You'll never guess what happens After that,
Speaker 1: they argue again about getting revenge and how it's not
Speaker 1: the thing that they should be doing, and like maybe
Speaker 1: we should all just head to Mexico. And so they
Speaker 1: go to Mexico, where they then argue again about whether
Speaker 1: or not they're gonna get rid of and then for
Speaker 1: some reason, Charlie marries a local woman that he met
Speaker 1: for five minutes. He then gets married and she literally
Speaker 1: sobs when he's leaving, and I'm like, y'all have been
Speaker 1: there for fifteen minutes. But that's fine. I love a
Speaker 1: wedding too, It's very fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: So that and for some reason, like Pat Garrett shows up,
Speaker 1: They'll like soon to be famous sheriff shows up and
Speaker 1: like Warren's Billy, like all these men are gonna kill you.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, fucking duh, Pat Barrett, Pat Garrett, we
Speaker 1: already know. And they try to get charged. They're like Charlie,
Speaker 1: maybe you don't come with us, maybe you stay with
Speaker 1: your new wife, and he's like n NA, like I'm
Speaker 1: all for revenge now. So then they like go back
Speaker 1: again to kill people, and I think it's to protect
Speaker 1: Terry o'quinn's character, who's the lawyer. I guess they heard
Speaker 1: that he's going to be killed and they don't want
Speaker 1: him to be killed. But then all they do is
Speaker 1: put him in harm's way when they show up and
Speaker 1: they're all trapped in the lawyer's house and they are
Speaker 1: surrounded by like all these henchmen, an army, like a
Speaker 1: crooked army.
Speaker 2: I guess you've retained way more than I did.
Speaker 1: I took notes, y'all, because I really do my best.
Speaker 1: And then Curly shows up with the woman, the Chinese
Speaker 1: woman that he just calls China, by the way, he
Speaker 1: doesn't even call her by her name. He's like China
Speaker 1: because China's like, hey, I'd rather be with young hot
Speaker 1: Keefer than this dirty old man. So she immediately like
Speaker 1: runs into the house to be.
Speaker 2: With him, and he's.
Speaker 1: They'd set a fire. They set fire to the house
Speaker 1: to like get them to come out, and I guess
Speaker 1: it works, Like eventually they come out and they with
Speaker 1: their guns ablaze, and they kill a whole bunch of people,
Speaker 1: and that includes Charlie gets killed, right Dirty Steve gets killed.
Speaker 3: But Kenny Kenny gets killed. Yes, uh, and do right away.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the Wikipedia. Yes, the only way I
Speaker 2: could keep up.
Speaker 1: Yes, So they yeah, Doc and Yen get away, Chavez
Speaker 1: gets away, Billy the Kid gets away, and for some reason,
Speaker 1: the Lawyer dies in the most graphic, brutal way in
Speaker 1: the whole fucking movie. They unleash like a like a
Speaker 1: machine gun, like a gatling gun in the Lawyer and
Speaker 1: he dies in the most gruesome like like he's the
Speaker 1: villain or something, And I'm like, the Lawyer isn't even
Speaker 1: like a major character. He doesn't deserve the shitty death.
Speaker 1: And yeah, then like Billy the Kid like puts a
Speaker 1: bullet in Curly's head and he's like, you know, he says,
Speaker 1: I forget what he says? Did I write it down?
Speaker 1: Like you know, he probably says like justice has served her,
Speaker 1: like now you're under rest or revenge accomplished. Who knows
Speaker 1: what he says? Something ooverage.
Speaker 2: I don't know if cou't are on my eighties movies like.
Speaker 1: Who knows what he yells? And then they all go
Speaker 1: to sane Elmo's Fire for a drink. No, it's like
Speaker 1: it ends, Yeah, it ends with an epilogue where they
Speaker 1: explained that like Doc and Yen, like he he rescues
Speaker 1: like her whole family apparently, like that's what the movie says.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's what really happened in real life.
Speaker 1: But he like gets with her and like gathers up
Speaker 1: her whole family and they're like all together. And then
Speaker 1: like Chavez has run off to California. I'm gonna meet
Speaker 1: him later for drinks. And then Billy the Kid is
Speaker 1: you know, eventually killed by Pat Garrett, which I should
Speaker 1: watch like a Billy the Kid Pat Garrett movie. There's
Speaker 1: multiple yeah, and that's the end. It doesn't end with
Speaker 1: Blaze of Glory like I thought, because that's the second one.
Speaker 1: But I watched this movie a lot when I was
Speaker 1: younger because it was on TBS like all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was on the background at parties
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. Sure, So that's part of my confusion.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think a lot of this stuff I remember,
Speaker 2: like the you know, certain scenes, But it's just when
Speaker 2: I try to think of like a cohesive narrative, like
Speaker 2: what is the whole point of this movie? And at
Speaker 2: the whole point of the movie is to just get
Speaker 2: hot young guys shooting guns, for sure, they were trying.
Speaker 1: Westerns were definitely not cool anymore. And you know, they
Speaker 1: made so many Westerns, like especially in like the fifties,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like a ton of Westerns.
Speaker 2: It was cheaper because they could film out in the
Speaker 2: deserts of California and Arizona. So yeah, that was there
Speaker 2: were a lot of Western story enough in the hills,
Speaker 2: you know, in Los Angeles around the area, like up
Speaker 2: in the hills, like that's where they filmed Mash and
Speaker 2: Little House in the Prairie. Like they could also film
Speaker 2: those westerns, and so they were really popular in the
Speaker 2: fifties and sixties. Like gun Smoke was like on the
Speaker 2: air for like fourteen years or something. Ridiculous. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: then like there was Clint Eastwood had his you know,
Speaker 2: a couple of Westerns, but it'd been while there's not
Speaker 2: a lot of like a in America. There's not like
Speaker 2: there was. There was a big, you know urge for it,
Speaker 2: like in the fifties and sixties after World War Two,
Speaker 2: you know, that whole thing, but it's been a while
Speaker 2: and it wasn't there wasn't one for our It's a
Speaker 2: gen x Cowboy movie.
Speaker 1: Yes, this was definitely like, we're not your father's Western wing,
Speaker 1: right they say.
Speaker 2: A boomer Western. This is different.
Speaker 1: Exactly that, and you know it kind of worked that.
Speaker 1: I guess it's yeah, but what is it? But what
Speaker 1: is it about? Yes, it's exactly about like they shoot people,
Speaker 1: then they argue about it. Then they shoot some more
Speaker 1: people and they argue about it. They shoot some more people,
Speaker 1: and they argue.
Speaker 2: About it, and they're constantly dirty, and it's constantly filmed
Speaker 2: in dark spaces, so sometimes I can't figure out what's
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 1: Yes, there's something necessary eighty slow motion if you're a
Speaker 1: big fan of that. This movie definitely has that. A
Speaker 1: lot of that. Actually, it's got one of those great
Speaker 1: openings too, where it's like here's your hot throat, your
Speaker 1: heart throbs ladies like like slow motion them like pulling
Speaker 1: their little masks down, and they're like so beautiful and
Speaker 1: handsome and all those.
Speaker 2: Things and young they're so yeah they're young gun.
Speaker 1: They're young guns. Margot, who's your favorite young gun?
Speaker 2: Oh it would be key Forer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I really like I really like lou Diamond
Speaker 1: Phillips in this one. I think he's he's hunky. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's I think he's even better looking now. To
Speaker 1: be honest, he looks great.
Speaker 2: I was telling you off the air. I follow Luf
Speaker 2: Dilond Phillips on Instagram and he's a cat guy. And
Speaker 2: at night he's home and he takes pictures and it
Speaker 2: sees like four or five cats and they're all like yeah,
Speaker 2: and they're all like.
Speaker 3: Hanging out with them on his couch watching TV. And
Speaker 3: that's what he loves to do.
Speaker 1: I also love to do those things me too. Call
Speaker 1: me sir.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think he's taken. I think he's on his
Speaker 2: third marriage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yeah, that's fine. No, I'm good. I heard
Speaker 1: that they are currently filming A Young Guns three what
Speaker 1: and I will absolutely watch it. I will watch it.
Speaker 2: Who are they going to get for that?
Speaker 1: It's all of it's the I think a bunch of
Speaker 1: them are returning. Actually, I'll look it up right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god, A Young Gun's three. Like, uh,
Speaker 3: let's see younger.
Speaker 1: Guns, even younger guns. Ooh, it's called young guns are alive?
Speaker 2: Are alive? I see this. Okay, we're looking at the
Speaker 2: same time.
Speaker 1: Christian Slater Emilia he's directing it.
Speaker 2: Too, and wrote it interesting and I hope it's better
Speaker 2: than Men at Work. That was a movie he wrote.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Christian Slater, Lou Diamond, Phillips is in it.
Speaker 3: All right, Bob kept under wraps.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm like, well, he's playing Billy the Kid. How
Speaker 1: under wraps? Can it possibly be?
Speaker 2: He can't play Billy the Kid because Billy the Kid
Speaker 2: is No, he's playing William Oh is that Billy? Yeah?
Speaker 2: It must be right, but he's like in his sixties
Speaker 2: and Billy the Kid died and he was like twenty
Speaker 2: two or something like. It's he died very very young.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe this is an alternate universe, or maybe they're
Speaker 1: going to do a whole thing like what if Billy
Speaker 1: the Kid didn't die?
Speaker 2: He lived to be an old man, lived to be
Speaker 2: an old man and raised his own boys to shoot
Speaker 2: the shit out of people for no reason.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe ah.
Speaker 2: Wah, yeah, where is this movie? Let's get it?
Speaker 3: Well, isn't there there was a Young Gun's TV series?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: I never watched the TV series. I remember seeing the
Speaker 1: second one and liking the second one too, But as
Speaker 1: I told Margo before we started recording, like I wasn't
Speaker 1: willing to pay for it.
Speaker 2: When it was yeah, it's streaming on Amazon for free.
Speaker 2: We were gonna do something else. I'm like, I don't
Speaker 2: want to pay for shit. I want to like, it's
Speaker 2: got to be streaming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So we're all good. I read that
Speaker 1: Sean Penn was originally offered the role of Billy the Kid,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, he might have been fine.
Speaker 2: He's always good. Let's be clear, He's always committed. But
Speaker 2: it's yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And then Patrick Swayze was offered one of the roles too.
Speaker 1: He was offered let's see Charlie.
Speaker 2: Sheen's role, but he was filming Roadhouse probably at that time.
Speaker 1: Well, then he definitely made the right shoes.
Speaker 2: He made the right choice. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you. My sister and I were chatting
Speaker 1: the other day and she's like, I showed uh. She
Speaker 1: was showing her daughter Dirty Dancing because she had never
Speaker 1: seen it, Lucy, who's seventeen, and they and she loved it.
Speaker 1: And then she was like, have you ever seen Roadhouse?
Speaker 1: And then they watched Roadhouse and I was like, I
Speaker 1: fucking love Roadhouse. We've done an episode on Roadhouse already,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I unronically Love Roadhouse.
Speaker 3: There's a lot that's wrong with that movie, but it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: I don't care.
Speaker 2: I don't care. Yeah, it's so great, it's so fun.
Speaker 1: Yep, I'm like, I love. If you haven't heard our
Speaker 1: episode on Roadhouse, I strongly encourage you go back and
Speaker 1: listen to it. We had an amazing time talking about Roadhouse,
Speaker 1: but damn love Roadhouse. Do you want to hear about
Speaker 1: some of the other I wrote down some eighties and
Speaker 1: nineties westerns. Oh good, yes, Okay, First we have Silverado
Speaker 1: that it's great movie. It's a really that's a good one.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it in a while, but I remember
Speaker 2: really enjoying it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. Pale Rider, never seen it. That is
Speaker 1: a Clint Eastwood one nineteen eighty five, Rustler's Rhapsody.
Speaker 2: Never seen it.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's the one with Tom Behringer, and it's like
Speaker 1: spoofing westerns. Lust in the Dust, I ever seen it.
Speaker 1: That's the one with Divide Mine.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was gonna say it's a John Waters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I actually hear. Really, I've never seen Lust
Speaker 1: in the Dust, but I've heard some good things, and
Speaker 1: I wonder if I would like maybe I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: liked it when I was fourteen. I think I might
Speaker 1: like it now, so I should watch it.
Speaker 2: The Three Amigos, it's a okay, does it hold up
Speaker 2: like funny wise? Is it going to be as humorous?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I liked the three of them so
Speaker 2: much at that time. Yes, and especially Martin Short.
Speaker 1: Yes, I will, yeah, exactly same. I don't. There are
Speaker 1: a lot of people that have like nostalgia glasses for
Speaker 1: that movie. They watched it a gazillion times on like
Speaker 1: the USA Network. I totally get it. I get but
Speaker 1: when I saw it in the theater, I was like,
Speaker 1: that's all right, Like I was, Okay, here's our nineties,
Speaker 1: our nineties westerns unforgiven. I love it so good. We
Speaker 1: did an episode on this one, The Quicken the Dead.
Speaker 1: Great movie, so great, Bad Girls.
Speaker 2: We're definitely going to do it one day.
Speaker 1: Yes, we definitely should.
Speaker 2: Maverick, Yeah, that's a disappointment for me. I know some
Speaker 2: people love Maverick, but I'm sort of yeah about it.
Speaker 1: We're talking about the mel Gibson, James Garner, Jody Foster
Speaker 1: very miscast in that movie very much.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some people love I don't see what they see.
Speaker 2: But and then, yeah, people really love it. I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm the same way. I feel like it's miscast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love James Garner like I do too,
Speaker 1: and yeah, but yeah, and then this counts as a
Speaker 1: Western Back to the Future three.
Speaker 2: I know I liked it. I think I've only seen
Speaker 2: it once or twice. Yeah, I really like the first
Speaker 2: one so much. I don't really like the others as much.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first one is such a perfect it's.
Speaker 2: Such a perfect movie. I know. I just love every
Speaker 2: frame of that movie. It's just perfect.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like the second one is an interesting experiment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not as fun. It's not as fun exactly.
Speaker 1: And then the third one, I was like, well, this
Speaker 1: is fun, but it's not even remotely comparable to the
Speaker 1: first one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so those are our movies.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: So do you want to hear about the top ten
Speaker 3: songs for the week this came out?
Speaker 2: It was like August something or other, nineteen eighty eight. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is a good list.
Speaker 3: Number ten Johnny Kemp just Got Paid.
Speaker 1: I love that song, Still just Got Paid Friday.
Speaker 2: Uh, you'll love this.
Speaker 3: Number nine Richard Marx Hold on to the Night.
Speaker 2: I love Richard, that's Sonya's jam. I love this one.
Speaker 2: Number eight George Michael Monkey, I loved oh Well.
Speaker 1: I love that whole album like it was.
Speaker 2: An excellent faith Yeah. Number seven Chicago, I Don't want
Speaker 2: to Live Without Your Love. They did these really sappy ballads.
Speaker 1: I didn't. Chicago's not my well, the city's great, the
Speaker 1: band not so much to me.
Speaker 2: I like, there's early seventies stuff like Saturday at.
Speaker 3: The Park, Yeah Park, Yeah.
Speaker 2: That stuff is good, but for me, like the Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's not my favorite. Okay.
Speaker 3: Number six Elton John, I don't want.
Speaker 2: To go on with you like that. Oh it was
Speaker 2: kind of in a Yeah, it's a fine, it's an
Speaker 2: okay song. It's not It's not like if I.
Speaker 3: See him live, I'm like, please play this.
Speaker 2: You know. It was fine.
Speaker 1: That is probably someone's favorite song, but I don't get it.
Speaker 1: I don't get it.
Speaker 2: It's like I went to see Paul McCartney years and
Speaker 2: years ago, like early nineties at Berkeley, and that's the
Speaker 2: first time I heard Shnead O'Connor. Nothing compares to you.
Speaker 2: It was like the most amazing atmosphere. But Paul McCartney,
Speaker 2: like they're playing songs, and my friend's husband was such
Speaker 2: a douchebag.
Speaker 1: He kept saying spies like US spies.
Speaker 2: People. After a while like okay, that was funny an
Speaker 2: hour ago, like shut the fuck up.
Speaker 1: Look, everyone's gonna make that joke. When I went to
Speaker 1: see Prince, a total stranger next to me was like,
Speaker 1: what song are you hoping that he sings? And I
Speaker 1: was like, bad dance. Yeah, you know, it's like and
Speaker 1: then you let the joke go, you let it go,
Speaker 1: you do it the one time, man, you let it
Speaker 1: go ye. And then I was just I was like,
Speaker 1: I really want to hear blank, you know, but yeah,
Speaker 1: he sounds like yeah committed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was committed to that bit. And it was
Speaker 2: kind of her harshing people's mellow. But whatever. Number five
Speaker 2: Gloria Estefan and Miami Sound Machine two three.
Speaker 1: I thought the rhythm was going to get me there
Speaker 1: for a second.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was big. She was the eighties. They were huge.
Speaker 2: H he's somebody else who was huge, and then never
Speaker 2: heard from again. Number four and I loved this album
Speaker 2: Terrence Trent Darby, Sign your Name.
Speaker 1: I still listened to the song Mashine well all the time,
Speaker 1: like it's on It's on one of my playlists. I
Speaker 1: thought he was so talented.
Speaker 2: That album was great. I used to listen. I was
Speaker 2: on cassette. I listened to it all the time. And
Speaker 2: he he promoted himself as like on par with the
Speaker 2: Beatles Sergeant Peppers with this first album, which probably wasn't
Speaker 2: a smart idea. Yeah, showed him to be a little
Speaker 2: let egotistical. Yeah. Number three talking about dirty dancing, Eric
Speaker 2: Carman make Me Lose Control.
Speaker 1: Oh is that from that soundtrack? I know it's I
Speaker 1: don't think it's on the soundtrack. But Eric Carmon had
Speaker 1: like a big resurgence after dancing. He did Hungry Eyes
Speaker 1: and then Yeah, and then he'd released a new album
Speaker 1: and that song was on it.
Speaker 2: Right because he was at the Raspberries in the seventies.
Speaker 2: And then's okay number two, Oh god, this song Breathe
Speaker 2: Hands to Heaven. It's just wow.
Speaker 3: That's like this ballace that they it's it's a mall song.
Speaker 2: It would you would hear it all.
Speaker 1: That's a great way to describe it.
Speaker 2: In the mall parking lot. You would hear it like
Speaker 2: you could hear it everywhere and number one. Steve Wynn
Speaker 2: would roll with it.
Speaker 1: He had his own little I was so into Steve Would.
Speaker 3: I loved that album back in the high life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I still love the song higher Love.
Speaker 2: I was like a song.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh but I love that song. I was a fan. No,
Speaker 1: is he still alive?
Speaker 2: He's still alive? He was, Yeah, he was with the
Speaker 2: Spencer Davis group. It was like seventeen, give me.
Speaker 3: Some lie on it.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, okay, remember that? God else are you dorky
Speaker 1: out about my friend?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: On HBO, I don't have to say Max anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thrilled about that. On HBO The Gilded Age. I
Speaker 2: loved this episode. It was it made you know, it's upsetting. Yes,
Speaker 2: Gladys gets married. We knew she was going to she's
Speaker 2: got to go, you know, the path of Consuela Svanderbilts.
Speaker 2: But it was upsetting. It was upsetting, and it was
Speaker 2: so that's uh Carrie Coon's daughter, and.
Speaker 3: It's uh Tessa Farmiga, yes.
Speaker 2: Okay, and she plays her and she's great, and she's
Speaker 2: marrying this yuts, this flor Borough. Because they used.
Speaker 1: To do perfect word, that's the perfect description, what a yuts.
Speaker 2: He's a yuts. He's this guy. He's got just zero charisma. Zero.
Speaker 2: But and I'm not the actor, by the way, I'm.
Speaker 1: Sure as I'm sure he's lovely.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he's a cool guy. But it's it's a
Speaker 2: thing that happened like in these English manners where these
Speaker 2: people had these titles but they were losing money. And
Speaker 2: then they had these robber barons in America were like,
Speaker 2: we have money but no class. Here's an idea. Well,
Speaker 2: your son married my daughter and I'll give you, you know,
Speaker 2: one hundred ky and she'll be now the duchess and
Speaker 2: right and blah blah blah. And so a lot of
Speaker 2: these marriages happened, and here was the thing, like you
Speaker 2: could get divorced if you wanted to. They get a
Speaker 2: lot of them. Some of them stayed together, but some
Speaker 2: of them. Quinzuela did leave. But yeah, she does. She
Speaker 2: does get married because that's what her mother wants and
Speaker 2: her father's probably gonna lose his money any minute now,
Speaker 2: so this is a way for them to keep their
Speaker 2: their standing. I was very intrigued on social media, you know,
Speaker 2: when I go to the recaps and tiktoks and stuff,
Speaker 2: and people talking about and read it about it, and
Speaker 2: you know, at the very end of the show, Glattice
Speaker 2: is with her new husband and he's like, uh so,
Speaker 2: you know, like there's something that we have to do.
Speaker 2: Give you a head Did your mom get to give
Speaker 2: your heads up about that? She's like, yeah, I hear.
Speaker 2: It's gonna hurt, but then it'll be better. He goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, it'll be embarrassing, but we'll get over it.
Speaker 2: And she's like okay. And a lot of people were like,
Speaker 2: there's no consent going on here. It's like he's he's
Speaker 2: just taking advantage of Like what do you think is
Speaker 2: happening at this time? Like, well, it's a contract, like
Speaker 2: they're they're there to make air and despair like this.
Speaker 1: Is yeah, well that's the gig. There is consent. She's there.
Speaker 1: I don't look, she didn't really want to marry this person.
Speaker 1: She did this no so right, but but she made
Speaker 1: the choice to do it. Like her dad was like,
Speaker 1: I got you if you want to bail, but like
Speaker 1: it's gonna be ugly and messy if you do that.
Speaker 1: She chose to do it. He explains to her, like
Speaker 1: we're going to do this thing. She and I of
Speaker 1: course she's like, well, aren't you tired? Maybe you know,
Speaker 1: we just wait or whatever, you know, and he's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm down to fuck now. And she's like okay, like
Speaker 1: there's consent there. She doesn't want to do it, but
Speaker 1: she's still doing it.
Speaker 2: Right, And it's it's just a different time. It's like
Speaker 2: just not a thing that people talked about or it
Speaker 2: wasn't a consideration. Wasn't it consideration like thirty years ago,
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, like a lot of movies.
Speaker 1: Well, and there's still people that are like, you, you
Speaker 1: can't say no to your husband when right sex, or
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as marital rape right those things,
Speaker 1: but obviously there is. I don't think that's what I
Speaker 1: didn't take it.
Speaker 2: I didn't either, But maybe we're a different generation. I
Speaker 2: think it's like the gen Zers who are a little
Speaker 2: bit more like because I'm like, I'm just also very practical.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, yeah, they're part of the deal is
Speaker 2: they have to have kids, they have to have an
Speaker 2: air and a spar like that's just yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: why they're getting married. So there's only one way in
Speaker 2: eighteen eighty whatever they're getting married to have a baby.
Speaker 2: That was it.
Speaker 1: Also, it's a shit It is a shitty situation and
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to do it, but she's gonna do
Speaker 1: it anyway because it feels that she has to right,
Speaker 1: so yes, and that way it is really fucking shitty.
Speaker 1: And also, by the way, the show isn't like this
Speaker 1: is the way to do it.
Speaker 2: It's not romanticizing it at all. We're all meant to understand. Like,
Speaker 2: and she's on the ship going away from Brooklyn to
Speaker 2: you know, it's leaving New York to London, like she's gone,
Speaker 2: like they're not going to hear from her for months,
Speaker 2: like she's given up her life. So she's kind of like,
Speaker 2: all right, well this is this is what it's going
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm so sad for her. And the whole
Speaker 1: thing was just so yeah, it just really was. It
Speaker 1: was stressing me out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and his bitchy sister was there, and you know,
Speaker 2: she's going to be a tyrant when she deals with
Speaker 2: So now it's going to be in England and New York,
Speaker 2: which I think is interesting, and also in Rhode Island
Speaker 2: it probably not know in Newport. I love the story
Speaker 2: about the black Americans and the and the the two
Speaker 2: different classes, and we have Felicia Rashad being a total
Speaker 2: bitch and two our lovely young couple that we want
Speaker 2: to be rooting them to get together. But then it's
Speaker 2: almost like, you know, do you really want to get
Speaker 2: with this guy because if this is where his parents
Speaker 2: are and just outright rude.
Speaker 3: So Dr McDonald, how dare you?
Speaker 1: How dare you? I said good day?
Speaker 2: I said good dasa, like just the way they speak
Speaker 2: to Audra McDonald. I mean, it's just but I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's it's soapy, it's gotta it's but I still love it.
Speaker 2: It was it is.
Speaker 1: Soapy, but that's great, Like it's so it's fun to watch,
Speaker 1: it's beautiful to look at. Like I also love this
Speaker 1: stuff with the like what's going on downstairs? So there's like, yes,
Speaker 1: the upstairs downstairs. So that's the chef that pretended to
Speaker 1: be French, who isn't actually French. His wife recently passed away.
Speaker 1: He wanted to marry like the other like the house
Speaker 1: maid or house whatever her role is. I forget. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And it turns out that she's actually already married to
Speaker 1: someone who's in like mental decline and and.
Speaker 2: Then there's the kid who's like developed a clock. He
Speaker 2: invented a clock, an alarm clock, and he with the
Speaker 2: kid a guy across the street. Yeah, they found buyers sports.
Speaker 2: So now he's like got a shitload of money. But
Speaker 2: he's like, okay, but what they're like, they're gonna take
Speaker 2: the invention and just run with it, like they're just
Speaker 2: give him this one payout. And he's so sweet. He's like,
Speaker 2: I don't have a family, I don't have anywhere to go,
Speaker 2: Like what am I going to do every day?
Speaker 3: He really is like what am I going to do tomorrow?
Speaker 2: What is my purpose?
Speaker 1: He's not rich, he doesn't know right, Like I forget.
Speaker 1: Is he get thirty thousand, three hundred thousand.
Speaker 2: Three thousand, like million millions?
Speaker 1: Millions?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, Like he's set. He's completely set for life.
Speaker 2: And he's like, I'd rather just be downstairs with y'all
Speaker 2: because you're my family, Like this is where this is
Speaker 2: the only place I've felt at home. And so he's
Speaker 2: going to do that for a while ever.
Speaker 1: Real thing, though, there's people who inherit a lot of
Speaker 1: money or they even people who like win the lottery
Speaker 1: and shit, and they're like yeah, I don't know what
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very real. And that's and people go crazy because
Speaker 2: they that's when they start spending too much money or
Speaker 2: they just they just they get very secluded because they
Speaker 2: don't you know, they're not forced to like go out
Speaker 2: and meet people or you know. Yeah, it be I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna hook up with I forget her name.
Speaker 2: She's Meryl Streep's daughter. She's living with Christine Baranski.
Speaker 1: And I think you think the clock guy's gonna hook
Speaker 1: up with Marian? Yeah? Oh see, I think the well
Speaker 1: her and the boy across the street are like in love,
Speaker 1: you don't think, But.
Speaker 2: I think I don't think he's trustworthy. I don't trust
Speaker 2: him because I don't think Bertha's gonna go for it.
Speaker 1: I definitely don't think she's gonna go for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bertha, I think is gonna like put the koba.
Speaker 2: And then what's gonna go on with Bertha and her
Speaker 2: husband Because the old maid that used to work for them,
Speaker 2: that married the rich guy, now he's either dead or declining,
Speaker 2: so she's gonna come into some money.
Speaker 1: And Bertha's been acting like such a bitch her husband's Yeah,
Speaker 1: her husbands and they're not sleeping in the same room.
Speaker 1: So mm hmmm, it's so sophy, so fun, it's so good.
Speaker 2: Opposite of that is and just like that, here's your
Speaker 2: weekly update. So y'all I do that. They did. They
Speaker 2: put out a thirty two minute episode. Normally they're like
Speaker 2: forty to forty five minutes. And the rumor is that
Speaker 2: the character of Aiden, played by John Corbett, is so
Speaker 2: unlikable and such a douchebag, and there's been such an outcry.
Speaker 2: Like Sarahjisca Parker cannot do enough podcast interviews like make
Speaker 2: up for and she looks miserable when she's doing them.
Speaker 2: She looks like, I don't you know. She says. She's
Speaker 2: the executive produce, one of the executive producers. She says
Speaker 2: she's never seen the show. She never saw Sex in
Speaker 2: the City when it was out back in the day. Problem,
Speaker 2: she never saw the movies. And she's like a problem.
Speaker 2: It's a huge fucking problem. And it's enough people tell you, you know,
Speaker 2: the house is on fire, maybe go check and see
Speaker 2: if it's on fire. Like it's just like, at some
Speaker 2: point it is the problem. It's not just it's our crave,
Speaker 2: your job. It's your job. It's literally the job. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I think Michael Patrick King is just also I
Speaker 2: think just boomer older like hates women. I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's just so yeah. So Aiden who he's had the
Speaker 2: son wyant that he wouldn't get medicine for. The kid
Speaker 2: is ADHD and probably on the spectrum. And then the
Speaker 2: kid says, oh, I want to go to this outward
Speaker 2: bound like this outdoor camp thing. And then the day
Speaker 2: they're going to take them to the camp like is
Speaker 2: in Montana where they have all those like nowadays, we
Speaker 2: know they're bad places to send your kids because your
Speaker 2: kids went up abuse there.
Speaker 1: It depends on what where you're going. But yeah, there's
Speaker 1: the ones where they're sending kids as punishment. Those are, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fucking bad news.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like a lot of them are. Because he's
Speaker 2: a you know, they're they're saying that he's a problem
Speaker 2: with his attitude. So he so then when they take
Speaker 2: him to the airport, apparently he had a melt down.
Speaker 2: He didn't want to go. They forced him to go,
Speaker 2: and then Aiden slept with the ex wife and then
Speaker 2: he tells Carrie and Carrie's like, oh, I understand totally.
Speaker 2: Just I'm not kidding you. Oh god. He also breaks
Speaker 2: her window. She's more upset about the window on her
Speaker 2: door than the fact that he stooped his ex wife.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's because that's how a normal person behaves.
Speaker 2: She's she's Carrie's insane. So he goes back home, and
Speaker 2: then his whole deal with Carrie is like, she gives
Speaker 2: him a key to the house. She says, you come
Speaker 2: here anytime you want. You and your boys, they're always
Speaker 2: welcome here. So he's like, great, I'm never going to
Speaker 2: tell you when I'm coming, and I'll never tell you
Speaker 2: how long I'm staying. I'm just gonna come up. Because
Speaker 2: he's a control freak. He's still man from twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: Yes, not how people behave. No, not normal, it's not.
Speaker 2: So he shows up and he's like, brings extra luggage
Speaker 2: with him, and he's like, hey, so you know, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna stay with you for a while because everybody's gone
Speaker 2: at my ranch in Virginia because he has no friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and why so, yeah, I'm not fucking the ex wife.
Speaker 2: So here we are. He gets together with Carrie and
Speaker 2: he finds out that she has the downstairs neighbor who's
Speaker 2: the British guy writing about Mark with thatcher, and he's
Speaker 2: jealous immediately, like he knows something he's so they have sex.
Speaker 2: They're spooning, and then she says, Oh, I gotta go downstairs.
Speaker 2: I'm going to meet with a neighbor because they're both
Speaker 2: writing books. We're going to exchange chapters and give each
Speaker 2: other notes. And it's a big deal that this guy
Speaker 2: is a very successful author that he's giving her notes. Right.
Speaker 2: So she's just about to go and he's like, well,
Speaker 2: how long are you going to be and she's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, like an hour, maybe two hours.
Speaker 3: It's you know, it just spends. And he goes, oh.
Speaker 3: And then he starts checking his phone and goes, h
Speaker 3: why it still hasn't.
Speaker 2: Gotten back to me? And he starts pouting. She's like,
Speaker 2: what's wrong? And he says why. It says he wants
Speaker 2: to live with his mother now, and why does everybody
Speaker 2: hate me? Why am I such a bad guy all
Speaker 2: of a sudden? When did I turn into a bad guy?
Speaker 2: And she goes, you know what, she says, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm going to cancel with this guy ten minute. It's
Speaker 2: notice she's supposed to like go there, I'll cancel with him,
Speaker 2: and you and I are going to go to dinner.
Speaker 2: He's so manipulative, he's so like controlling and manipulative, and
Speaker 2: she's so man centered, like she's so stuck on this
Speaker 2: idea because Big died. That was her big love. He
Speaker 2: died on her, you know, and people are, can we
Speaker 2: get him on a peloton because that's how Big died.
Speaker 2: He's a peloton, Carrie, get a peloton in that house?
Speaker 2: Like he's just terrible. And the other stories I'm not
Speaker 2: even going to get into because they're just ridiculous. But
Speaker 2: they had this really.
Speaker 3: Choppy like the editing's bad, nobody makes sense.
Speaker 1: And it was only thirty minutes fucking terrible it is.
Speaker 2: And it's like and you're like, this used to be
Speaker 2: fun to watch all these actors play these characters. Even
Speaker 2: if I didn't agree with what they were doing, it
Speaker 2: was fun or it was it was captivating, like I
Speaker 2: was invested. You know, Samantha had menopause, Samantha went through
Speaker 2: cancer like Samantha, you know all that stuff. You know,
Speaker 2: Miranda didn't know if she wanted to get married. She
Speaker 2: got pregnant and she was like I don't want a
Speaker 2: wedd ail and had utility problems yet yeah like they yeah,
Speaker 2: so they all had their thing and so you really
Speaker 2: invested it. And then it's like all their personality and
Speaker 2: their quirk and everything, it's gone, like without Samantha there,
Speaker 2: there's like no, well.
Speaker 1: I'll say, it's just this shit's not cute when you're
Speaker 1: in your fifties and sixties. This isn't cute. No, it's
Speaker 1: not funny. It's not funny to me that like that.
Speaker 1: He just fucking shows up and all stu as long
Speaker 1: as they want or I won't yeah, or I'm going
Speaker 1: to sleep with my ex wife and she's like that's cool.
Speaker 1: Like that's not cute.
Speaker 2: It's not cute. It makes no sense. I mean everybody. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so when people talk about it, like I don't know
Speaker 2: anybody you talk. I mean sometimes she gets somebody goes,
Speaker 2: I thought this was fun or that was fun in
Speaker 2: an episode, which is whatever. Nobody ever says this is
Speaker 2: such a good show, but you can't stop watching it
Speaker 2: because you're like I keep thinking it's going to turn
Speaker 2: a corner, Like they're gonna have an episode where they're
Speaker 2: going to write this ship and they're going to figure
Speaker 2: things out, but they put Yeah, but they put in
Speaker 2: characters that nobody cares about, and they don't really care
Speaker 2: that the steaks are really low. I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: So anyway, No, sir, I don't like it.
Speaker 2: Noleky Uh. There's a there's a true crime show on
Speaker 2: there called a Killer among Friends. So it's like a
Speaker 2: series of shows about one of their friends. I watched
Speaker 2: one of those, Billy Joel. There's a documentary Kelly Joel.
Speaker 2: I'm going to start that tomorrow. He Turnstiles album. He
Speaker 2: put Billy Joel recorded one of his albums at my
Speaker 2: uncle's studio in Long Island. Yeah, so it was called Turnstiles.
Speaker 2: It was really good. Real quick. There's Amazon. There's The
Speaker 2: Better Sister.
Speaker 1: I love The Better Sister.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: I'm not done with it yet, but I'm probably enjoying it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I've got like three episodes left, but I'm
Speaker 2: really into it. I like them as together, especially Elizabeth
Speaker 2: Banks and Jessica Biel.
Speaker 1: They're great.
Speaker 2: They're great together, and I thought they were really good.
Speaker 1: I started watching. I watched the first episode of Sirens,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I like these people, but I
Speaker 1: don't like the tone and right, I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't think this is for me. And then you know,
Speaker 1: when I was looking on Amazon and there's a show
Speaker 1: called The Better Sister. These things are kind of about
Speaker 1: the same things about like sisters and money and all.
Speaker 1: There's different things involved, but they're they're very similar that way,
Speaker 1: And so I watched all of The Better Sister in
Speaker 1: like two days. I was like, this is very watchable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're really good in it. I'm glad you're watching
Speaker 1: that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm almost done with it. That's really good. And
Speaker 2: then I was obsessed with of course everybody was. This
Speaker 2: week the cold Play push an HR person he resigned
Speaker 2: from his job today. You know, it's a Saturday afternoon dump,
Speaker 2: which is a new one for me. Usually there's the
Speaker 2: Friday afternoon news dump in the summer.
Speaker 1: This one's tricky because, as everybody knows, I have no
Speaker 1: empathy for cheaters. I'm like, they can kick rocks. But
Speaker 1: and also like she is HR at that job. Yep,
Speaker 1: So because part of me is like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if the dude needs to be losing his job, but
Speaker 1: like he's the boss and she is HR.
Speaker 2: There's they are two very high positions in a company.
Speaker 2: And if you have a problem with either one of
Speaker 2: those things, are you gonna say? Who are you gonna
Speaker 2: talk to? You're gonna go to? I mean, these people
Speaker 2: can do whatever the hell it. I can understand, especially
Speaker 2: because he has an advisory board that he has to
Speaker 2: answer to, and they have to be you have to
Speaker 2: be trustworthy, like you can't have any scan. People are
Speaker 2: not gonna put billions of dollars into your company if
Speaker 2: there's a scandal going on with it, especially if it's
Speaker 2: not a sexy A question your judgment. They question your
Speaker 2: judgment if you're gonna you know, you're a married man
Speaker 2: and you're stripping the h and then her judgment like
Speaker 2: especially you know, like you're out of HR like this
Speaker 2: is a you know and you know. And also I'm
Speaker 2: reading about people like other companies that he's worked at,
Speaker 2: that he's an asshole. So they're all like celebrating this.
Speaker 2: But I loved it when you sent me the Phillies
Speaker 2: you know mascot, the male and female mascot.
Speaker 1: If you haven't seen it, y'all. At the Phillies game,
Speaker 1: they're doing like the kiss cam. Yeah, baseball game, they
Speaker 1: do the kiss cam all the time. I've been at
Speaker 1: many games where the kiss cam is the thing, and
Speaker 1: they cut to like the Phillies mascot and there's like
Speaker 1: a lady mascot too, and like they're together, and then
Speaker 1: they like Philly fanatic, Yeah, the Philly fanatic, and they
Speaker 1: like jump apart and they're trying to It's very very silly.
Speaker 1: I And I'm also enjoying all the memes that are
Speaker 1: going around.
Speaker 2: I look like, yeah, the winner of this is Coldplay,
Speaker 2: like Chris Martin Coldplay. Really like you want to go
Speaker 2: to a cold Play show now because you just don't know?
Speaker 1: Yeah? We and we discussed this in the in the
Speaker 1: what a Cree Facebook group. This came up. Someone shared
Speaker 1: something and people because I guess there's like a false
Speaker 1: statement going or a statement that's maybe not written by him,
Speaker 1: and they're talking about like this should have been like
Speaker 1: a private moment or whatever. And as I put in
Speaker 1: the group, I was like, there's no expectation of privacy
Speaker 1: when you're in public, that's no. And it's just the
Speaker 1: state we're living in right now. Everyone has phones, Yep,
Speaker 1: they're videoing all the time, especially at concerts.
Speaker 2: People are recording the entire time they're at a concert,
Speaker 2: like that's all people do now because I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's just become the habit, Like you just do that
Speaker 2: and then you go home and you look at your
Speaker 2: phone and it reminds you of being at a place
Speaker 2: where you went and looked at your phone all time.
Speaker 1: There's times where I was like, you know, I I
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm frustrated when I'm trapped behind a person who's
Speaker 1: reg Yes, I understood, like I get annoyed, But I
Speaker 1: am also like, oh, I wish I had a phone
Speaker 1: back in the day when I saw Prince.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, there's so many shows I wish I had a
Speaker 2: recording of and then you could just and people tell
Speaker 2: me like, oh, I bring up a song that I remember,
Speaker 2: and it puts me in a good mood. I remember
Speaker 2: being there and it brings up And they're also at
Speaker 2: like Coldplay is pretty middle of the road. It's not
Speaker 2: like they're at some alternative country concert or something like.
Speaker 3: It's I mean, it's you know, you're a huge stadium.
Speaker 2: You're a huge stadium. It's a very you know, popular
Speaker 2: band with like a like cross generational. I mean, they
Speaker 2: were stupid, they were really stupid and that's like that's
Speaker 2: your judgment, Like this is what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1: I feel super bad for his wife, like this is
Speaker 1: of course, and if she's married or has a partner, like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to that person too. The fucking sucks.
Speaker 2: Like that part sucks.
Speaker 1: Of course, I feel bad for them. I you know,
Speaker 1: I know that like people take shit too We talked
Speaker 1: about this a little bit in our bonus episode on
Speaker 1: What to Creep, But maybe people who listen to this
Speaker 1: don't listen to that. We talked about this about people
Speaker 1: on social media taking shit too far, and I think
Speaker 1: they think they're funny or something by like going to
Speaker 1: like the wife's page and being like you should dump him, girl,
Speaker 1: and it's like just leave her alone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she had a close her Facebook out, And you know,
Speaker 2: I think like his daughter or one of their daughters
Speaker 2: is like trying to launch a TikTok yah career from
Speaker 2: it because what else can you do?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I one of the things I've been watching was,
Speaker 1: you know, I watch Love Island USA, and we talked
Speaker 1: about this before about like it has a very parasocial community,
Speaker 1: like people who you're watching that show five days a
Speaker 1: week for six weeks and people get super invested, and
Speaker 1: then then they start acting crazy on social media. They
Speaker 1: start like seeing people harassing people's families, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're ruining the show that Leave these people alone, Like
Speaker 1: even if they're shitty, and some of them are so shitty, right,
Speaker 1: just leave them alone, like who cares?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Some of them are like Trump supporters. Some of them
Speaker 1: are like, uh again, save that energy for Ted Cruz.
Speaker 1: Take that shit out on JD vance Boo and heckle
Speaker 1: them everywhere they go. I'm fine with that. These are
Speaker 1: politicians and they deserve it. But Love Island contestants, this
Speaker 1: woman whose husband cheated on her at a gold Blake concert,
Speaker 1: they don't deserve this. Just leave them a life. Weds
Speaker 1: you weirdos.
Speaker 2: You're weirdos. That's and that's that's what I'm talking out about.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up the Coldplay thing because I
Speaker 1: was gonna bring it up to because all the because
Speaker 1: all the memes are really fun, Like they are really fun,
Speaker 1: and if you go on TikTok or Instagram reels, people
Speaker 1: are posting very silly things of they're putting pictures of
Speaker 1: other people's faces over them and then separate.
Speaker 2: It's I'd see the one with Trump and Epstein.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh my god, like you love to see it,
Speaker 1: you love to see it. Yeah. I've gone down a
Speaker 1: couple of rabbit holes this week. One is like, you know,
Speaker 1: they recently posted that Trump has like some health issues
Speaker 1: and TikTok immediately. It is like sending me nurses who
Speaker 1: are saying he has congestive heart failure. They're like, this
Speaker 1: is the signs of congested heart failure and I just
Speaker 1: reply with clots and prayers. Motherfucker, don't care. Bye. But
Speaker 1: the other thing, I have two things I am watching.
Speaker 1: I finished My Love Island, USA, you all, and for
Speaker 1: anyone who listens to this and watches the show like
Speaker 1: I think the right couple one for sure. And also,
Speaker 1: y'all stop being weirdos on social media. Just like things
Speaker 1: or don't like things. You don't need to act like weirdos.
Speaker 1: But I also have a book recommendation for everybody. Ooh hey,
Speaker 1: book I am almost finished with I Hope This finds
Speaker 1: you well by Natalie Sue. And this book was recommended
Speaker 1: to me from a former coworker who said the jokes
Speaker 1: in this book remind me of you. So I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I like things that remind me of me. So I
Speaker 1: read it and it's about this admin worker at like
Speaker 1: a target like company, it's not Target, they call it
Speaker 1: like super Core or something, and she accidentally gets access
Speaker 1: to all of her coworkers like emails and their dms,
Speaker 1: like their chats and stuff like that, and she's using
Speaker 1: it to at first save her job because there's layoffs
Speaker 1: are coming, and she's like, well, I'm just gonna use
Speaker 1: all this information to like do better at work. And
Speaker 1: then she slowly like finds herself getting more involved in
Speaker 1: their lives and trying to like help them and things
Speaker 1: like that. It's very it's very funny. I'm really enjoying it.
Speaker 1: So it's called I Hope This Finds You Well by
Speaker 1: Natalie Seue, and it's definitely got a little bit of
Speaker 1: a rom com vibe too. So if you like a
Speaker 1: romantic comedy book, I recommend it. It's not very often
Speaker 1: I get to recommend a book, especially fiction, because I'm
Speaker 1: the world slowest reader. I'm so slow that anyway, if
Speaker 1: you like the sound of our voices, we also co
Speaker 1: host a podcast called whoa to Creep, and this week
Speaker 1: I led the show, and I talked about Marge Shot
Speaker 1: who used to own the Cincinnati Reds in the eighties
Speaker 1: and early nineties. She was a racist, anti Semitic, fucking creep,
Speaker 1: and Margot had a fabulous non creep. We talked about
Speaker 1: Stephen Colbert.
Speaker 2: So, yep, what's going on over that the now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so angry, angry, angry, I know, my friend.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you on social media?
Speaker 2: You can find me at Brooklynfitchick dot com. I'm at
Speaker 2: Brooklynfitchick for threads and Instagram, and I'm at Brooklyn Margo
Speaker 2: for Blue Sky and TikTok.
Speaker 1: And her book, Fever, The Complete Story of Saturday Night
Speaker 1: Fever is coming out so soon, in a few weeks. Yes,
Speaker 1: order your copy now. Follow her on social media because
Speaker 1: she shares clips. It's so good. I'm so proud of you,
Speaker 1: my friend. This is so exciting. It's gonna be here
Speaker 1: soon and very soon.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see it.
Speaker 1: Yes, I can't wait to read it. You could find
Speaker 1: me at the Soniashow dot com and the Sonya Show
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Speaker 1: us at dorking Out Show at Gmail. We take requests.
Speaker 1: Last week we did somewhere in Time that was a request.
Speaker 1: It was so send us requests. We love it. And
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Speaker 1: send you some stickers because Margo is very kind and
Speaker 1: likes to do things like that. This was so fun.
Speaker 1: I'm glad we talked about young guns.
Speaker 2: This was a blast.
Speaker 1: It was a blast. Now let's go argue about revenge
Speaker 1: and regulate