WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:09.279 Welcome to dorky Out. My name is Sonia Mansfield and 2 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:15.000 Regulators maun Um. Joining me is my podcasting sister from 3 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:18.239 Another Mister and the Coast of dorkying Out. Margot d Hello, 4 00:00:18.320 --> 00:00:19.120 my friend. 5 00:00:19.679 --> 00:00:22.399 Uh, hello, my friend. I was gonna sing Blaze of Glory, 6 00:00:22.440 --> 00:00:24.320 but then I had to realize, like, oh no, that's 7 00:00:24.359 --> 00:00:26.440 the second movie. I think everybody does that. 8 00:00:27.079 --> 00:00:29.320 I think we Yeah, I just assume that songs for 9 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:31.839 both movies. But you are correct, it's in the second one. 10 00:00:31.879 --> 00:00:33.799 But I don't care. That's fine, go ahead sing it. 11 00:00:34.840 --> 00:00:36.880 Oh no, thanks, No, nobody needs to hear that. 12 00:00:37.039 --> 00:00:42.560 No, we are dorkying out. About nineteen eighty eight Young Guns, 13 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:47.119 directed by Christopher Caine, written by John Fusco, and its 14 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:53.399 stars Saint Elmo's Cowboys. Basically, that's exactly what's happening here. 15 00:00:53.439 --> 00:00:59.039 It's Emilio Estevez, Keeper Sutherland, Lou Diamond Phillips. He looks so, 16 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:03.280 he looks so good in this movie. I didn't appreciate him, 17 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:06.640 and I did not in eighty eight the way I 18 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:07.239 do now. 19 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:10.480 But yeah, oh I did. But he's ages like a 20 00:01:10.519 --> 00:01:12.719 fine wine. He looks. He still looks great. 21 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:18.239 Correct, Charlie Sheen Dermott mulrooney playing someone named Dirty Steve. 22 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:21.319 These names are hilarious. 23 00:01:22.519 --> 00:01:24.200 Casey Smeco. 24 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:33.920 Mosco, it's she Mosco me, Oh my god, I. 25 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:35.480 Haven't looked up how to pronounce. 26 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:41.640 I worked with his sister, but a thing long time ago. 27 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:44.280 I forgot that he was in this, and he does 28 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:45.319 a really good job. 29 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:48.879 He's great. I think they both should be working more. 30 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:54.280 Yeah, yes, Terrence Stamp Jack Palance is in there. My friend, 31 00:01:54.799 --> 00:01:56.200 did you see this in the theater? 32 00:01:57.079 --> 00:01:59.760 You're goddamn right. I did in nineteen eighty eight. This 33 00:01:59.879 --> 00:02:03.359 was this was appointment viewing for me. I saw this, 34 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:05.959 and uh, I because I had a crush on every 35 00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:09.400 single one of them. Yes, yes, and I was like, 36 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:11.599 I don't watch enough Westerns. I want to see a 37 00:02:11.639 --> 00:02:15.360 modern Western. And I really enjoyed it. Though I have 38 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:18.360 the same I'm gonna complain about the same thing that 39 00:02:18.400 --> 00:02:21.800 I usually complained about. It's like, this plot is really confusing. 40 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:23.919 I have no i to who anybody is. I have 41 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:26.080 no idea who the good guys and bad guys are. 42 00:02:26.479 --> 00:02:27.680 I don't know if that's the point. 43 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:34.280 Maybe I'm it is. The The script is actually really 44 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:38.280 repetitive and you're just a little bit because the whole 45 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:40.039 so let's we're going to get into it. I saw 46 00:02:40.039 --> 00:02:42.599 it in the theater too, again because I had crushes 47 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:47.560 on almost all of these people, like especially Emilio Estevez, 48 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:50.439 Keeper Sutherland. Yeah, I was all. 49 00:02:51.159 --> 00:02:53.319 Keifer was big for me at that time because it's 50 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:54.759 also after Lost Boys. 51 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:59.280 Yes, yeah, and Keifer playing like a rare like softy, 52 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:03.319 good guy post type. It's like not his usual thing. 53 00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:07.719 He usually played real creeps because he's real good at that. Yeah, yeah, 54 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:11.759 I was Meryl. Yes, it was all about this movie 55 00:03:11.800 --> 00:03:15.520 when I saw it. The whole movie is it's about 56 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:17.719 Billy the Kid. So it's Billy the Kid and his 57 00:03:17.800 --> 00:03:23.599 regulators and they basically are taken All of these guys 58 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:26.400 are taken in by Terrence Stamp who's like an English 59 00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:30.280 guy who owns a farm in like eighteen seventy. Yeah, 60 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:35.439 he just talked about Priscilla. He's so again another one 61 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:39.240 who usually seems to play bad guys. Yeah, playing a 62 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:42.840 really good guy. Here he owns land where I think 63 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:48.000 it's like eighteen seventy seven. They're in like Arizona, New Mexico. 64 00:03:48.039 --> 00:03:51.560 I forget anyway, it doesn't matter and he I'm like, 65 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:54.919 is he like running a like camp for bad boys. 66 00:03:55.120 --> 00:03:57.240 I don't know what he's doing there, but he's taken 67 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:03.719 in all of these like questionable morals, these men with 68 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:06.360 questionable morals and giving them a home and teaching them 69 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:09.159 to read, and they work on the farm. He takes 70 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:15.319 in Emilio Estevez who's playing Billy the Kid, and he's 71 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:18.560 just very nice to them. He's like, they work on 72 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:22.199 his farm, they like all eat together as a family. There, 73 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:25.480 he's teaching them to read. There's all of these things. 74 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:30.120 And then Jack Palance and his crew show up, and 75 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:37.240 Curly Curly shows up with his crew, and he's he 76 00:04:37.399 --> 00:04:43.120 wants Terence stamps land and also Terence Stamp owns like 77 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:47.879 a meat shop, and Jack Palance also owns the meat shop. 78 00:04:47.959 --> 00:04:50.879 So he's like, there's not room. There's town's not big 79 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:57.639 enough for the pops. Yes, And so they are, you know, 80 00:04:57.800 --> 00:05:03.040 exchanging words or whatever, and then he leaves. This happens 81 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:05.560 a lot. It's a lot of like all these different 82 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:09.759 like crews getting together and like talking and then like 83 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:12.319 taking out their guns and pointing them at each other 84 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:18.319 and then separating and going their separate ways. And Terrence 85 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:22.160 Stamp and his crew, like they refer to themselves as 86 00:05:22.199 --> 00:05:27.000 the regulators, and they, you know, have a big space, 87 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:29.720 like we regulate any stealing off this property. 88 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:32.600 And this is before warm g Yes. 89 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:34.399 By the way, this was sampled in the War and 90 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:36.839 G song Regulate, which is a dope song and I 91 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:40.680 listened to right before we started recording. And each of 92 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:43.279 them seems to kind of like have a special skill, 93 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:45.959 like Billy the Kid is like really good with his guns, 94 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:49.680 and Lou Diamond Phillips plays Chavez and he's really good 95 00:05:49.720 --> 00:05:55.519 with knives, and Charlie who is Casey with the last 96 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:58.360 name I can't pronounce, is really good with his fists 97 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:03.879 and Dirty Yeah, and like Steve Dirty Steve is really 98 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:10.839 dirty and he is big Ben exactly, and then like 99 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:14.079 Keefer Sutherland is doc who I guess is just he's 100 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:16.439 like really book smart and maybe he went to medical 101 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:20.319 school but he didn't finish or something. And I don't 102 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:24.040 know what Charlie Sheen's special power is, but he's like 103 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:28.560 the leader of the group until he isn't basically, and 104 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:32.519 he wasn't like the biggest star at this time either. 105 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:37.000 He was no platoon. He had done platoon, but like 106 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:40.879 Emilio Estevez was the star for sure, like he was 107 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:46.839 him and Keefer were the big deals in this movie. Well, oh, 108 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:50.920 they all like go to a party together. And while 109 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:52.879 they're it's like a New year z E party, I think, 110 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:54.800 and they're all like dancing and shooting their guns in 111 00:06:54.800 --> 00:07:01.120 the air hop. And while they're there, Curlyce shows I'm 112 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:03.920 just gonna call him Curly. Curly shows up and he 113 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:08.480 brings with him like he has this Chinese girl that 114 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:14.079 he's keeping, and it turns out he like took his 115 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:17.199 clothes to the Chinese laundry and they messed up his 116 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:19.480 shirt and then he just fully was like, well, now 117 00:07:19.519 --> 00:07:22.920 I'm gonna take your daughter's payment because he's such a 118 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:27.600 fucking monster. And instantly like Keeper Sutherland's doc is like 119 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:31.560 in love, yeah, dancing with her and he's reciting poetry 120 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:35.879 and she's like, uh, I feel really bad for by 121 00:07:35.720 --> 00:07:38.600 the actress who plays this woman, her name is Alice Carter. 122 00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:43.519 She's beautiful, so beautiful, and I'm so sad that this 123 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:48.839 character's only choices are old man Curly or this broke, 124 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:54.160 dirty cowboy poet. Like this is the plot of the Materialists, 125 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:56.360 by the way, like it's also the plot of that, 126 00:07:56.560 --> 00:08:01.879 so you get where it's going here. As they're like 127 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:07.160 heading back to their farm, Curly's men show up and 128 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:13.240 just kill Terrence Stamp And obviously the young guns cannot 129 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:17.399 abide this kind of cold blooded murder, and so they 130 00:08:17.439 --> 00:08:22.879 are deputized and told to serve warrants to the people responsible. 131 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:26.480 Was it Terry Quinn that deputizes them, yes, okay? 132 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:29.120 Or or he gets the sheriff to do it, like 133 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:32.840 he's like, yeah, he's a lawyer in the town and 134 00:08:32.919 --> 00:08:36.200 he gets the like a judge, or no, he gets 135 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:39.519 a judge I think actually to do it. And they're 136 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:44.399 supposed to serve these warrants to people. That's the premise. 137 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:46.720 You got way more than I did. 138 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:51.120 But they don't. What happens is so they start trying 139 00:08:51.159 --> 00:08:53.960 to track down the men who are responsible. They already 140 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:57.720 know who's responsible. It's like Curly and his men, and 141 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:01.080 they're trying to track down like the the henchmen that 142 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:04.720 pulled this off. They find one immediately at like some 143 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:10.080 like brothel, and they send Billy in to do it, 144 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:14.600 and they already know that like Billy's a hot head. Yeah, 145 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:19.360 these murdered people I'm like, they know he's gonna kill him, right, 146 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:23.600 because then they seem to be very surprised when he 147 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:27.519 kills him, And I'm like, you you knew what you 148 00:09:27.559 --> 00:09:31.360 were doing when you sent in your hot head to 149 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:36.000 like serve a warrant, but they all act very surprised. 150 00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:39.360 And there's there's a couple of drinking games you can 151 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:42.039 play with this movie, and one of them is damn it, Billy. 152 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:46.480 Every time someone says damn it, Billy, you could drink 153 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:51.759 and you would get trashed, you might even die. So 154 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:57.759 Billy just starts fully murdering people, and these guys help him. 155 00:09:59.039 --> 00:10:00.720 That's that's the movie. 156 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:02.480 That's the movie. 157 00:10:02.679 --> 00:10:07.519 So he murders this guy, they like get on their horses, 158 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:11.840 they run off, and then they all argue about, like, 159 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:17.039 we shouldn't be murdering people. We're supposed to be serving 160 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:20.519 the warrants. Then they track down someone else, Billy murders 161 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:24.120 that person, and then they all run away and then 162 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:29.080 they argue again about we should not be murdering people, Billy, 163 00:10:29.159 --> 00:10:33.240 we have to serve these warrants. This happens like four times, right, 164 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:35.240 This is why you're like, what the fuck is this 165 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:40.039 movie about? It's because it's the same thing over and over. 166 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:42.320 They Yeah, he never learns his lesson. 167 00:10:42.679 --> 00:10:45.879 No, and they and they they never learn their lesson 168 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:49.919 because they just do it over and over. And look 169 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:52.960 back in our younger days, we probably all had a 170 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:57.320 Billy in our group, Like we all had someone who 171 00:10:57.399 --> 00:11:01.799 acted like an asshole who stirred the pup right, But 172 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:04.600 luckily that person in our life probably didn't have a gun. 173 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:08.840 But these these men just do the same thing over 174 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:11.279 and over. And that's why you're like, what is this 175 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:15.159 movie about. Well, it's about arguing with Billy about killing 176 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:21.000 people instead of serving warrants. That's what happens in this movie. 177 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:23.559 And the traumas. They all share their traumas. 178 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:26.960 Yes, And there is a scene where they all like 179 00:11:27.799 --> 00:11:33.759 Lou Diamond Phillips character Chavez like makes peyote and they 180 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:36.759 all like go on a drug trip. Right, And this 181 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:39.759 is the most unrealistic part of the movie because the 182 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:42.480 Charlie Sheen character doesn't take the drugs. And I was like, 183 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:48.559 no way would Charlie Sheen say no, winning it's this 184 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:52.159 is my tiger blood, Like he could be so into it. 185 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:57.080 So they like, yeah, go on their peyote journey and 186 00:11:57.120 --> 00:11:59.600 they're like we're in the spirit world, man, and like 187 00:11:59.679 --> 00:12:02.679 all this stuff. I remember thinking that was so hilarious 188 00:12:02.759 --> 00:12:06.080 when I was like, yeah, seventeen year old seeing this movie. 189 00:12:06.120 --> 00:12:12.080 But now I'm like, yeah, yeah, whatever. But then there's another. 190 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:18.600 Same thing in the Doors by the way right, and 191 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:20.759 then Wayne's World two has a Saint where. 192 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:27.080 They yes ride the snake Billy the Kid, there's so 193 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:30.720 another one of those incidents happened where they're like, we're 194 00:12:30.759 --> 00:12:33.360 going to serve a warrant and then Billy kills someone 195 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:37.279 and it turns into a big shootout and they they 196 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:40.919 but this time, like I think Doc gets shot in 197 00:12:40.960 --> 00:12:45.399 the hand, Chavez gets like a scratch or something, but 198 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:51.679 Charlie Sheen's character gets killed, and it's pretty not dramatic 199 00:12:51.720 --> 00:12:54.200 at all, Like they're like, oh, well. 200 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:56.039 Oh well, yeah he just kind of kills over. 201 00:12:56.519 --> 00:12:59.960 Yeah they're and they're like oops. So then they ride 202 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:03.879 off and they like gather up again and damn it, 203 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:08.919 Billy again, and then Doc is like I need to 204 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:12.360 ride into town because I need to write Charlie Sheen's 205 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:15.840 mom and let her know that he's dead, and hey, 206 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:18.080 maybe i'll pick up some bandages while I'm there, and 207 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:21.399 they're like, that's cool. They are wanted by the law. 208 00:13:21.519 --> 00:13:24.799 They are wanted now, they have like drawings of them 209 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:28.879 in the papers. All these different bounty hunters are searching 210 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:31.559 for them, and they continue to just like ride into 211 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:37.080 towns and then get into gunfights with people. Doc goes 212 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:43.519 into town immediately finds the Chinese girl Yen and like 213 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:47.720 tries to make a big move again, and she's like, yeah, 214 00:13:47.879 --> 00:13:52.559 I like you, but I'm like again, these are her options, right, 215 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:55.720 you know the only feat there's like two women in 216 00:13:55.759 --> 00:13:59.600 this movie, and one of them is a Chinese woman 217 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:04.960 who's held captive and a lawyer's wife who actually gets 218 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:06.919 to slap someone. So that's pretty cool. 219 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:10.000 Yeah, I remember the time being impressed by that. 220 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:12.600 But yeah, it's a boys club. 221 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:16.279 It's just definitely a boys club. Yeah, which is fine. 222 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:20.360 It's a Western and that's Look, we have several more 223 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:22.360 years until Bad Girls comes. 224 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:24.600 Out, right, and we'll get to that one day. 225 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:28.840 Yes, we will get to that one So he he 226 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:33.480 rides into town, he's like doing his thing, and then 227 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:40.279 they argue again about stop killing people, Billy and getting 228 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:43.000 revenge isn't right, and then lou Diamond Phillips gets to 229 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:47.159 give a big speech about how his whole reservation was slaughtered. 230 00:14:47.399 --> 00:14:51.840 He does a good job in the scene, and I 231 00:14:51.879 --> 00:14:54.360 think he says, like, I just want to go to California. 232 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:58.120 I'm the last of my bloodline. I want to keep 233 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:00.279 it going. And I just wrote in my notes, let 234 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:04.879 me know where you end up. I'll meet you there, sir. 235 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:11.000 But again they like then they just go into another 236 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:15.360 town and they like kill a bunch of people. Why 237 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:16.840 because Billy wants to. 238 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:22.080 And yeah, Billy's a sociopath. Yeah, they can't seem to. 239 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:25.559 And and he has like a likable giggle that that 240 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:30.080 you know that that Estevas is like really proud of 241 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:33.360 like he uses it all the time. And and after 242 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:36.159 a while it's like this guy's just as he sees. 243 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:38.279 You got to get rid of him. We cannot, you 244 00:15:38.279 --> 00:15:39.519 can't associate with this guy. 245 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:41.000 It's gonna be bad news. 246 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:45.919 Yeah, And that's the the movie wants us to like 247 00:15:46.200 --> 00:15:49.559 Billy the kid. We're I think he's cool, and we're 248 00:15:49.559 --> 00:15:52.679 supposed to get while all the other guys are following him. 249 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:56.120 He's rebellious, that's how he's presented. And it's like, no, 250 00:15:56.240 --> 00:15:58.919 he's kind of an asshole. I mean he's a psycho. 251 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:04.440 Yeah, he's a total psycho. And there's I know, like 252 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:09.720 people really did like Emilio Estevez's performance in this movie 253 00:16:09.759 --> 00:16:12.679 back in the day. It got pretty good reviews for that, 254 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:15.840 and I watch it now and I'm like, it's actually 255 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:20.919 pretty one note. He is just playing crazy the whole time, Like, 256 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:28.679 even when they're in super dangerous situations, he is like, ha, 257 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:32.240 isn't this fun? You know, it's like, yeah, we're gonna 258 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:36.759 get it, let's kill some people. Yeah, Like, and it's 259 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:41.840 played for fun, for laughs, and not played in the 260 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:45.840 serious way that this guy's a fucking psycho, and it's 261 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:49.320 not treated that way. I don't right now. 262 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:51.679 Billy the Kid, and that's been like an issue with 263 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:56.399 Westerns and who they choose, you know, famous outlaws and 264 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:59.799 how they're presented, like Butch Cassie and the Sundance Kid 265 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:03.919 and Billy the Kid. In very famous Brady Bunch episode 266 00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:06.079 where I think it was Billy the Kid where Bobby 267 00:17:06.119 --> 00:17:10.200 Brady becomes obsessed with him and then he meets an 268 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:12.240 old guy that his family was killed by him. 269 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:16.319 Oh yeah, I don't remember that one. Oh, it's one 270 00:17:16.359 --> 00:17:16.920 of the bunch. 271 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:18.480 Oh yeah, it was one of the early Brady Bunch. 272 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:21.119 And then of course we have to think of Bill 273 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:23.480 and Ted's excellent adventure when they bring back Billy the Kid, 274 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:27.160 of course, which is my favorite of the Billy the Kid. 275 00:17:27.319 --> 00:17:28.359 Yes performances. 276 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:32.079 Yes, I agree, good job Margo on that pool. That 277 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:36.720 is a much better Billy the Kid. But there's a 278 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:41.480 like again, they they like go into another town because 279 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:44.839 they're like, we're all going to get killed, and Charlie's like, well, 280 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:46.839 if we're all going to get killed, then I need 281 00:17:46.839 --> 00:17:49.519 to go get laid. So they're like, that's cool, let's 282 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:52.160 all just head back into town where everybody wants is 283 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:55.920 dead so that Charlie can get laid. And then he 284 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:57.799 doesn't even get laid. He just goes in and he's 285 00:17:57.839 --> 00:17:59.720 like I just like to hold you, ma'am, and I'm 286 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:03.279 like so wholesome. And they're all hanging out at the 287 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:07.200 bar and there's this like very arrogant, like bounty hunter type. 288 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:09.480 It's like, I'm here to kill Billy the Kid, and 289 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:15.400 Billy the Kid Amelia Westavez just messes with him and 290 00:18:15.400 --> 00:18:18.039 then fully blows him away in the bar and everyone's like, 291 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:18.759 what are. 292 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:19.160 You gonna do. 293 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:24.839 Oh, Billy, you troublemaker. You'll never guess what happens After that, 294 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:29.279 they argue again about getting revenge and how it's not 295 00:18:29.359 --> 00:18:35.680 the thing that they should be doing, and like maybe 296 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:38.599 we should all just head to Mexico. And so they 297 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:43.079 go to Mexico, where they then argue again about whether 298 00:18:43.160 --> 00:18:46.680 or not they're gonna get rid of and then for 299 00:18:46.759 --> 00:18:50.039 some reason, Charlie marries a local woman that he met 300 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:54.440 for five minutes. He then gets married and she literally 301 00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:57.920 sobs when he's leaving, and I'm like, y'all have been 302 00:18:57.920 --> 00:19:01.920 there for fifteen minutes. But that's fine. I love a 303 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:03.240 wedding too, It's very fun. 304 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:04.519 Yeah yeah, oh yeah. 305 00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:08.720 So that and for some reason, like Pat Garrett shows up, 306 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:12.000 They'll like soon to be famous sheriff shows up and 307 00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:15.960 like Warren's Billy, like all these men are gonna kill you. 308 00:19:16.039 --> 00:19:19.680 It's like, no, fucking duh, Pat Barrett, Pat Garrett, we 309 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:24.960 already know. And they try to get charged. They're like Charlie, 310 00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:26.799 maybe you don't come with us, maybe you stay with 311 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:31.759 your new wife, and he's like n NA, like I'm 312 00:19:31.799 --> 00:19:34.519 all for revenge now. So then they like go back 313 00:19:36.079 --> 00:19:42.759 again to kill people, and I think it's to protect 314 00:19:43.119 --> 00:19:48.000 Terry o'quinn's character, who's the lawyer. I guess they heard 315 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:50.200 that he's going to be killed and they don't want 316 00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:52.480 him to be killed. But then all they do is 317 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:56.640 put him in harm's way when they show up and 318 00:19:56.680 --> 00:20:01.119 they're all trapped in the lawyer's house and they are 319 00:20:01.160 --> 00:20:07.640 surrounded by like all these henchmen, an army, like a 320 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:08.519 crooked army. 321 00:20:08.799 --> 00:20:12.960 I guess you've retained way more than I did. 322 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:17.200 I took notes, y'all, because I really do my best. 323 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:24.240 And then Curly shows up with the woman, the Chinese 324 00:20:24.279 --> 00:20:28.960 woman that he just calls China, by the way, he 325 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:31.759 doesn't even call her by her name. He's like China 326 00:20:34.279 --> 00:20:37.200 because China's like, hey, I'd rather be with young hot 327 00:20:37.319 --> 00:20:41.160 Keefer than this dirty old man. So she immediately like 328 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:43.440 runs into the house to be. 329 00:20:43.480 --> 00:20:46.680 With him, and he's. 330 00:20:46.680 --> 00:20:49.119 They'd set a fire. They set fire to the house 331 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:56.000 to like get them to come out, and I guess 332 00:20:56.039 --> 00:20:58.880 it works, Like eventually they come out and they with 333 00:20:58.960 --> 00:21:01.640 their guns ablaze, and they kill a whole bunch of people, 334 00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:07.440 and that includes Charlie gets killed, right Dirty Steve gets killed. 335 00:21:08.680 --> 00:21:14.359 But Kenny Kenny gets killed. Yes, uh, and do right away. 336 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:16.559 I'm looking at the Wikipedia. Yes, the only way I 337 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:17.119 could keep up. 338 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:22.920 Yes, So they yeah, Doc and Yen get away, Chavez 339 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:25.880 gets away, Billy the Kid gets away, and for some reason, 340 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:29.359 the Lawyer dies in the most graphic, brutal way in 341 00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:32.720 the whole fucking movie. They unleash like a like a 342 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:37.720 machine gun, like a gatling gun in the Lawyer and 343 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:41.440 he dies in the most gruesome like like he's the 344 00:21:41.559 --> 00:21:44.960 villain or something, And I'm like, the Lawyer isn't even 345 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:49.599 like a major character. He doesn't deserve the shitty death. 346 00:21:50.680 --> 00:21:55.359 And yeah, then like Billy the Kid like puts a 347 00:21:55.400 --> 00:22:00.519 bullet in Curly's head and he's like, you know, he says, 348 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:02.599 I forget what he says? Did I write it down? 349 00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:08.839 Like you know, he probably says like justice has served her, 350 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:12.799 like now you're under rest or revenge accomplished. Who knows 351 00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:15.799 what he says? Something ooverage. 352 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:18.559 I don't know if cou't are on my eighties movies like. 353 00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:23.640 Who knows what he yells? And then they all go 354 00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:27.759 to sane Elmo's Fire for a drink. No, it's like 355 00:22:28.079 --> 00:22:31.240 it ends, Yeah, it ends with an epilogue where they 356 00:22:31.319 --> 00:22:36.519 explained that like Doc and Yen, like he he rescues 357 00:22:36.559 --> 00:22:40.279 like her whole family apparently, like that's what the movie says. 358 00:22:40.359 --> 00:22:42.359 I don't think that's what really happened in real life. 359 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:46.359 But he like gets with her and like gathers up 360 00:22:46.359 --> 00:22:49.000 her whole family and they're like all together. And then 361 00:22:49.079 --> 00:22:52.279 like Chavez has run off to California. I'm gonna meet 362 00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:55.680 him later for drinks. And then Billy the Kid is 363 00:22:57.359 --> 00:23:02.480 you know, eventually killed by Pat Garrett, which I should 364 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:04.960 watch like a Billy the Kid Pat Garrett movie. There's 365 00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:11.400 multiple yeah, and that's the end. It doesn't end with 366 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:14.559 Blaze of Glory like I thought, because that's the second one. 367 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:19.000 But I watched this movie a lot when I was 368 00:23:19.039 --> 00:23:22.559 younger because it was on TBS like all the time. 369 00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:25.400 Yeah, I think it was on the background at parties 370 00:23:25.400 --> 00:23:28.880 and stuff like that. Sure, So that's part of my confusion. 371 00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:32.279 I mean, I think a lot of this stuff I remember, 372 00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:36.039 like the you know, certain scenes, But it's just when 373 00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:38.319 I try to think of like a cohesive narrative, like 374 00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:42.440 what is the whole point of this movie? And at 375 00:23:42.440 --> 00:23:43.960 the whole point of the movie is to just get 376 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:47.000 hot young guys shooting guns, for sure, they were trying. 377 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:53.000 Westerns were definitely not cool anymore. And you know, they 378 00:23:53.079 --> 00:23:56.119 made so many Westerns, like especially in like the fifties, 379 00:23:56.319 --> 00:23:59.200 I feel like it's like a ton of Westerns. 380 00:23:59.319 --> 00:24:01.440 It was cheaper because they could film out in the 381 00:24:01.480 --> 00:24:05.119 deserts of California and Arizona. So yeah, that was there 382 00:24:05.119 --> 00:24:07.440 were a lot of Western story enough in the hills, 383 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:10.519 you know, in Los Angeles around the area, like up 384 00:24:10.519 --> 00:24:12.559 in the hills, like that's where they filmed Mash and 385 00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:15.039 Little House in the Prairie. Like they could also film 386 00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:17.839 those westerns, and so they were really popular in the 387 00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:20.440 fifties and sixties. Like gun Smoke was like on the 388 00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:24.240 air for like fourteen years or something. Ridiculous. Yeah, but 389 00:24:24.279 --> 00:24:26.960 then like there was Clint Eastwood had his you know, 390 00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:30.079 a couple of Westerns, but it'd been while there's not 391 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:32.519 a lot of like a in America. There's not like 392 00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:35.640 there was. There was a big, you know urge for it, 393 00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:38.119 like in the fifties and sixties after World War Two, 394 00:24:38.680 --> 00:24:41.920 you know, that whole thing, but it's been a while 395 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:44.240 and it wasn't there wasn't one for our It's a 396 00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:45.839 gen x Cowboy movie. 397 00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:49.759 Yes, this was definitely like, we're not your father's Western wing, 398 00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:51.079 right they say. 399 00:24:50.920 --> 00:24:53.240 A boomer Western. This is different. 400 00:24:53.920 --> 00:25:00.279 Exactly that, and you know it kind of worked that. 401 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:02.920