WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.520 --> 00:00:05.799 This is the Baseline discussing the hot button topics. 2 00:00:05.320 --> 00:00:09.240 Of the nb A. Welcome everybody, your tune to the Baseline. 3 00:00:09.320 --> 00:00:12.560 Calie Warrenshaw discussing the hot button topics of the NBA. 4 00:00:13.320 --> 00:00:16.920 This is our ownery edition of the Baseline. 5 00:00:17.239 --> 00:00:21.320 We got some really interesting topics taking place as we 6 00:00:21.559 --> 00:00:25.640 enter into the second week of the NBA season, which 7 00:00:25.640 --> 00:00:28.359 has been jam packed with a lot of you know, 8 00:00:28.519 --> 00:00:32.960 great NBA basketball play, some you know, like just really 9 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:39.560 awesome performances from some of you know, the NBA's great players, 10 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:41.280 some great quality matchups. 11 00:00:41.280 --> 00:00:41.520 Shaw. 12 00:00:42.200 --> 00:00:46.479 You know, listen, let it not be said, man, if 13 00:00:46.799 --> 00:00:49.520 if everybody is you know, kind of gearing themselves up 14 00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:52.600 for the Emirates NBA Cup, which is going to be 15 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:55.520 taking place like what this upcoming week or probably in 16 00:00:55.520 --> 00:00:58.359 about a week's time. Yeah, it's it's like, you know, 17 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:01.039 these guys, man, they they putting it in and they're 18 00:01:01.039 --> 00:01:05.040 putting in that work. So and there's some great games 19 00:01:05.040 --> 00:01:06.799 that are gonna be taking place, you know, around that 20 00:01:06.840 --> 00:01:08.439 time frame as well too. I'm sure at some point 21 00:01:08.439 --> 00:01:10.560 we want we'll even be speaking to that a little bit. 22 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:14.280 But no, let not be said, man, NBA does not 23 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:18.480 disappoint even after tip off, it went from tip off 24 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:20.760 to tick off, ticked off. 25 00:01:21.079 --> 00:01:22.840 When it comes to when it comes. 26 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:24.519 To some of the stuff that's been going on right 27 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:27.239 now with with with some of these NBA players. 28 00:01:28.159 --> 00:01:30.000 I think very well said we have a lot of 29 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:33.120 injuries unfortunately to kind of get to but as alluded to, 30 00:01:33.319 --> 00:01:37.159 tempers are already flaring across and it's interesting when pop 31 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:39.760 culture kind of like bleeds his way into the NBA's 32 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:42.680 overall ethos as well too. So we'll get into a 33 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:45.400 little bit of that and some really interesting comments and 34 00:01:45.439 --> 00:01:48.319 some things happening around some of the premiere superstars in 35 00:01:48.359 --> 00:01:51.120 our national superstars in our game. This is gonna be 36 00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:53.200 a fun one man, a little bit. Only we're not 37 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:54.799 gonna always be taking the high road here, I think 38 00:01:54.840 --> 00:01:56.319 on this one, We've got some things to say. 39 00:01:56.359 --> 00:01:59.000 Absolutely, look quick, lead off Shaw, did you see that 40 00:01:59.239 --> 00:02:10.199 play Celtics versus Hornets? Jason Tatum? You know Williams Uh yeah, 41 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:12.879 I mean yo, what's going on right? Like even Jalen 42 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:14.560 Brown spoke to He's like, yeah, man, I thought them 43 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:15.360 guys were friends. 44 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:16.199 Apparently not. 45 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:21.639 He's like homie Homie came over and basically lit him up, 46 00:02:21.719 --> 00:02:24.120 like riding lot lights up. You know what I'm saying, 47 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:27.639 A wide receiver trying to go through his middle of 48 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:28.520 the field. 49 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:31.599 I didn't even I don't even know what was up 50 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:31.800 with that. 51 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:34.120 Now I understand that the speculation behind that was because 52 00:02:34.159 --> 00:02:36.759 of I guess the way that Jason Tatum a rebounded 53 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:40.319 and just basically flicked off LaMelo ball like he was 54 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:44.240 a like a tick on his on his jersey or something. 55 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:49.000 But I didn't think it warranted Homie coming over, you know, 56 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:53.479 three lanes falling down Michael Douglas style, you know, just 57 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:58.280 totally just running trucking dude almost into the announcer's table. 58 00:02:58.560 --> 00:02:59.400 That's just crazy. 59 00:02:59.439 --> 00:03:01.719 Man. Grant Williams is a while dude. Let's say that 60 00:03:01.759 --> 00:03:04.759 he's one of the inomatic characters in our league. You know. 61 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:07.879 Draymond Green immediately took to Twitter and you know, calling 62 00:03:07.919 --> 00:03:10.039 him a goofy and you know all that stuff. Goofy 63 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:12.120 was the term of the weekend as well too. If 64 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:13.560 you're following I think Draymond. 65 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:15.680 I think Draymond was like, He's like, look, if you're 66 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:17.159 gonna do it, do it right. 67 00:03:18.199 --> 00:03:20.840 He's like, Drayman's like, I'll show you how. I'll show 68 00:03:20.840 --> 00:03:21.520 you how it's done. 69 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:25.560 Yeah, yeah, but we'd but a weird situation. Whatever is 70 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:29.120 going on there with Grant and JT, it's not really 71 00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:31.960 of any concerns or Charlotte. Hornets are one place and 72 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:34.400 the Celtics from another space. And the Celtics, I think 73 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:36.560 they know they're going to get some of people's best shots, 74 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:38.080 both figuratively and literally. 75 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:40.439 The one person that I probably would not want on 76 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:42.840 the wrong side of it is Jalen Brown. There's something 77 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:46.719 about Jalen Man, Jalen, Jalen, Jalen like quiet dude. 78 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:46.919 Man. 79 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:48.960 He's He's the kind of person that I don't want 80 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:51.599 to be on the wrong side of, you know how. 81 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:53.960 He's just all real casual and then out of nowhere 82 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:54.800 he just explodes it. 83 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:59.280 He is. He's a he's a very strong individual. It's 84 00:03:59.360 --> 00:03:59.879 strong ass. 85 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:00.639 Yeah. Man. 86 00:04:01.159 --> 00:04:04.479 He had the altercation with uh Duncan Robinson last year 87 00:04:04.520 --> 00:04:07.000 as well too, so I think he's he's shown that 88 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:08.240 he's about that action. 89 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:08.719 Yeah. 90 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:12.280 If people actually, if they want that smoke, yeah, he's 91 00:04:12.280 --> 00:04:14.240 got he's got a he's got a human door. 92 00:04:14.360 --> 00:04:16.480 If they all want that smoke, he aired out real 93 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:19.439 quick for them. He'll make it really be known. 94 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:22.600 And I especially appreciate the fact that Jalen Brown calls 95 00:04:22.600 --> 00:04:25.199 to that because that lets us know that, you know, 96 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:27.920 no matter what people may perceive or think, those two 97 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:30.360 they're tight right like they've been through the ups and downs. 98 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:33.399 Obviously gott in a championship, but you know, seeing Jalen 99 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:36.160 Brown stand up for his people, you know, for standing 100 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:38.079 up for Jason Tatum and things like that, that just 101 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:40.120 speaks to on a on a deeper level that you know, 102 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:42.240 it doesn't matter if them two are best friends, I'll 103 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:43.720 still go through you, you know what I mean. 104 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:45.319 So I respect that a lot. 105 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:48.399 Anyway, as we're saying, the ticked off edition of The 106 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:51.600 Baseline Cali Warrenshaw, so we appreciate everybody hopping off board 107 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:52.800 with us this week. 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Go to www dot ninetemediagroup 117 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:17.680 dot com in order to not only check us, but 118 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:20.839 also the great family of content creators that are part 119 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:23.959 of the nineteen Media Group family. Sea. Let's get right 120 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:26.639 into some of the injuries, news and notes has taking 121 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:28.879 place in the association. There's a ton of injuries that 122 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:30.839 have taken place already within the first two weeks in 123 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:34.279 the NBA and some key players going down. Polo Bancaro 124 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:38.399 for the Orlando Magic has an oblique and is out indefinitely. 125 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:40.639 I know everybody is obviously aware of the fact of 126 00:05:40.839 --> 00:05:44.000 Kawhi Leonard. He's been gone since the beginning of this season. 127 00:05:44.279 --> 00:05:47.439 Scottie Barnes suffered an orbital fracture, so he's gone for 128 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:51.680 three weeks at least for the Pacers. Isaiah Jackson, which 129 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:54.000 is that's a big blow, you know, as far as 130 00:05:54.079 --> 00:05:56.480 depth on that team, they're just starting to come into 131 00:05:56.519 --> 00:05:58.839 their own. He's out for the year with an achilles injury. 132 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:02.040 Cee J McCollum and Herb Jones for the Pelicans, both 133 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:05.600 suffering injuries, are out two to four weeks. Desmond Bane 134 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:09.600 Marcus Smart respectively for the Grizzlies are going to be 135 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:11.879 weak to week to week, but out of their lineups 136 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:15.000 and will Yon Bogdanovic is out for at least a month, 137 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:17.439 so so a lot of key players they're gonna be 138 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:20.560 gone for a significant amount of time. It's interesting, Sean, 139 00:06:20.600 --> 00:06:22.839 because when you really look at it, to me, the 140 00:06:22.839 --> 00:06:25.079 one that stands out the most is the Apollo Bonkaro 141 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:28.439 injury for the Orlando Magic. Even though this is a 142 00:06:28.439 --> 00:06:31.959 feisty team, you can clearly see Bonkaro has taken that 143 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:33.920 next step and it sucks because he just dropped a 144 00:06:33.959 --> 00:06:36.800 fifty piece you know, during the week, and for him 145 00:06:36.800 --> 00:06:39.279 to be out now for this period of time, which 146 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:40.959 I just think is a critical stretch of games where 147 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:44.639 the Orlando Magic with this point last year, made some 148 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:48.279 serious strides, put up those win totals, you know, got 149 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:50.079 themselves in a really good space where they able to 150 00:06:50.120 --> 00:06:52.079 maintain for the course of the year. Be interesting how 151 00:06:52.079 --> 00:06:54.680 they're going to be able to manage without Bonkaro in 152 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:55.240 their lineup. 153 00:06:56.120 --> 00:06:58.920 Yeah, Orlando is the biggest of the injuries. Especially they're 154 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:01.040 expected to be the best team I think of all 155 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:03.279 the all the teams that we mentioned here in general, 156 00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:06.240 they don't have They already lack scoring punch. And while 157 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:08.079 I think KCP has been a nice addition to them, 158 00:07:08.120 --> 00:07:09.800 he's not going to make up one von Carrow has 159 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:10.680 been able to do. 160 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:11.120 So. 161 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:13.600 Now, no, you don't see a fifty piece in KCP. 162 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:16.839 Say that again, you don't see a fifty piece in KCP. 163 00:07:17.199 --> 00:07:18.839 No, no, no, I mean maybe I mean. 164 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:21.519 K and KFC almost as similar. So you know, I'm 165 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:23.600 I'm all right. 166 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:25.959 You know, but it's time for Anthony Black in essence 167 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:27.720 to be able to step above Franz Wagner, who had 168 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:30.399 had a not a bad start, but you know, kind 169 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:32.040 of like a middling start. I think to the season. 170 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:34.759 Wendell Carter Junior can give them some offense, you know, 171 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:36.680 a little bit, you know, from from the front court 172 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:39.480 presidence as well. So those are the guys I think 173 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:41.319 are going to have to step into this space. Cole 174 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:43.600 Anthony as as a microwave scorer coming off the bench, 175 00:07:43.839 --> 00:07:45.160 no one person is going to be able to do 176 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:47.560 what bon Carroll did, especially from the scoring side, but 177 00:07:47.639 --> 00:07:49.319 also some of the rebinding and the play creation that 178 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:51.720 he was doing, you know, at that wing and kind 179 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:55.360 of like forward position. So I'm concerned about the Ornlando 180 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:58.639 magic here, but they they do not have I think 181 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:00.199 the records and pieces in place in this is to 182 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:03.680 sustain a long term injury. So when you stay out indefinitely, Yeah, 183 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:05.439 it could be two weeks, could be three months. We 184 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:07.360 don't We don't really know, I think at this stage. 185 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:09.879 So hopefully he's back, you know, sooner than later. And 186 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:13.399 for me, the other injuries, it's too to two key things. 187 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:15.879 Scotty Barnes in Toronto at the beginning of the season 188 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:17.360 of the team that really needs to kind of get 189 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:20.560 things together really really rough. So now they can continue, 190 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:23.199 they can't continue to build the continuity, you know, and 191 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:25.160 then you quickly has already started the season on the shelf. 192 00:08:25.319 --> 00:08:27.120 Argie Berry started the season on the shelf. He's back 193 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:29.120 now but playing well a great Dick is into the 194 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:31.920 starting lineup. But now they need now they can't build 195 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:34.159 around what is their centerpiece in Scotty Barnes here now 196 00:08:34.159 --> 00:08:35.919 for the least, you know, three weeks to a month, 197 00:08:36.279 --> 00:08:38.639 and that's just when he'll be reevaluated. So for Toronto, 198 00:08:38.919 --> 00:08:41.159 you know, we'll playing the play in hopes it's going 199 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:42.759 to be a little bit of rough setting and then 200 00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:46.759 finally for me, well, it's I'm gonna just kind of 201 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:49.360 hit this in two parts, New Orleans and and Memphis. 202 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:50.720 I don't know if there are two teams that have 203 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:52.960 being more injured in the last two years. I think 204 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:55.080 we probably need to do some some research on that, 205 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:57.960 but they seem to always have something going on with it. 206 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:00.639 Zion and BI and c J. Mccoum alway has something. 207 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:04.840 Herb Jones is now as you alluded to, I mean, 208 00:09:04.919 --> 00:09:08.200 they just they just cannot get get right. Luckily for 209 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:11.000 mensive Memphis, they've been able to get some pretty good 210 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:13.759 draft picks and they have some reserves on their staff 211 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:15.519 on their team that have been able to pick up 212 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:18.159 the verbial slack. But now back to New Orleans, I 213 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:20.080 think it's going to be b I on Zion time 214 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:22.000 as long as those two can stay healthy to do 215 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:24.320 some of the heavy lifting while CJ and Herb Jones 216 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:26.559 are Andrey Murphy are also out. 217 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:29.639 Yeah, I think you have to feel, you know, enamored 218 00:09:29.639 --> 00:09:31.919 if you're the Memphis Grizzlies that you have job back. 219 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:35.320 Knock on wood, Jaron Jackson Junior is going to be 220 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:38.519 healthy because you know, he has the injury bug as 221 00:09:38.559 --> 00:09:39.600 well too at times. 222 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:41.240 But they have a deep team. 223 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:41.480 Shaw. 224 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:45.039 I was very impressed with the Memphis Grizzlies, and you 225 00:09:45.039 --> 00:09:46.840 know you were you you were high on them in 226 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:49.840 the preview about this being a team that people should 227 00:09:49.879 --> 00:09:52.919 not be sleeping on. So I would be intrigued to 228 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:55.320 see how much they can continue to keep that going, 229 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:58.879 albeit having that shooting firepower in Desmond Vaine on the 230 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:03.000 team and the fis of Marcus Smart, you know, defensively 231 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:06.240 and really to help lengthen that that roster is obviously 232 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:08.759 going to be helpful for Jenkins and the staff the team. 233 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:10.519 I think to your point that I worry about is 234 00:10:10.559 --> 00:10:13.879 the Pelicans, albeit though that I've seen where the Pelicans 235 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:17.399 seem to thrive without having you know, CJ. 236 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:18.720 McCollum be that guy. 237 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:22.240 I think maybe from a stability standpoint, you know, as 238 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:25.200 a point guard kind of player, he should, you know, 239 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:27.559 he needs to be there. But I'm seeing that this 240 00:10:27.639 --> 00:10:30.240 Pelicans team seems to Now maybe it's just a scheduling, 241 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:33.159 but I've seen where this Pelicans team, you know, having 242 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:37.399 Zion healthy and having brandon Ingram healthy, I think certainly 243 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:41.399 lends to you know, giving them the ability to be 244 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:45.960 a more dominant front court team, definitely, you know, not 245 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:49.320 from behind the arc. Are are they thriving? But I 246 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:50.879 think they may be able to get away with it 247 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:53.639 with the type of matchups that they've had so far. 248 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:56.639 But it, you know, again, we'll see of those two 249 00:10:56.639 --> 00:10:58.080 teams who can continue. 250 00:10:57.720 --> 00:11:00.480 To thrive with some of their key guys you know, 251 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:01.120 not a part of. 252 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:04.240 Their and don't forget for them has already been He's 253 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:06.159 been out, You've been out first game of the season. 254 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:09.399 So you know, three quarter three fifth of their starting lineup, 255 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:12.279 you know, are on the shelf here in addition to 256 00:11:12.360 --> 00:11:15.720 Herb Jones and as I as I alluded to Trey Murphy. 257 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:17.919 So whichever one you think is starting, between Trey Murphy 258 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:20.320 and Herb Jones, those are all key role players for 259 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:22.440 for that for that New Orleans team. So tough, tough 260 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:23.559 sledding here for Willie Green. 261 00:11:23.720 --> 00:11:27.279 Absolutely, man your tuned to the baseline. Calie Warrenshaw discussing 262 00:11:27.399 --> 00:11:32.120 the hot button topics of the NBA. All right, so, uh, 263 00:11:32.360 --> 00:11:36.720 now that we're talking about the pain the hurt, clearly 264 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:39.159 there's still a lot of pain and hurt going on 265 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:43.120 in Toronto, and what I mean by that is, you know, 266 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:50.399 Toronto's number one, you know, resident fan ambassador. You know 267 00:11:51.440 --> 00:11:56.000 he is the North you know, essentially self proclaimed that 268 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:58.600 you know what I'm saying, a man, Drake, let it 269 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:04.279 not be said. You know, he's he's he's let his onerous, 270 00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:09.279 onerous ways show, you know, expressing how he feels about 271 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:14.799 the rosen Excuse me, because you know, if people have 272 00:12:14.879 --> 00:12:17.399 paid attention, and you know, the hip hop culture and 273 00:12:17.480 --> 00:12:21.600 the NBA culture are always co mingling. De mar Derozen 274 00:12:21.679 --> 00:12:28.240 appeared on Kendrick Lamar's They're Not Like Us video, and 275 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:30.279 Drake made it, you know, made it be known in 276 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:33.080 a space where it's kind of like, all right, if 277 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:38.879 the Toronto Raptors, it's basically decided or eventually will retire 278 00:12:38.879 --> 00:12:42.279 his jersey, which is apropos because he is the cornerstone 279 00:12:42.279 --> 00:12:44.519 of that success that led them to the getting to 280 00:12:44.559 --> 00:12:49.600 this point where you know, despite what happened, you know, 281 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:54.559 him and Kyl Lowry were the foundation, right, they were 282 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:58.279 the reason why Drake felt like I can now rep 283 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:00.759 you know what I'm saying, the six one more time. 284 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:03.679 But now he's like, oh, if they put de Roses 285 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:06.840 banner up there, alcohol up there and rip that down. 286 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:09.759 I love De Rosa's response to that, by the way, 287 00:13:10.039 --> 00:13:14.039 that was awesome, But I just don't understand like it. Look, man, 288 00:13:14.440 --> 00:13:17.440 I get it. You know your fandomness is showing, so 289 00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:21.159 to speak, because you But to me, I think it's 290 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:24.679 misplaced just because he decided to be on a video 291 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:29.080 with someone he probably listens to more than you. Now 292 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:32.759 you're showing your petty right now, you're showing your petty. 293 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:33.639 That's me. 294 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:36.000 I'm just saying he's showing a little bit of pettiness 295 00:13:36.039 --> 00:13:40.519 there by him speaking on something that's more basketball related 296 00:13:40.519 --> 00:13:42.519 than it really is related to the fact that he 297 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:45.399 has an alliance, you know what I'm saying with an 298 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:47.000 artist that he is in beef with. 299 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:50.480 The thing about this is DeRosa is from the West, 300 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:51.279 so I mean. 301 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:54.519 He's from California, He's from Compton. 302 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:57.759 It doesn't make any sense. And while DeRozan has made 303 00:13:57.840 --> 00:13:59.960 his hey, you know, as an NBA player, he is 304 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:02.919 the Raptors all time leading scorer, So the idea of 305 00:14:02.960 --> 00:14:05.440 his jersey being retired there at some point is not 306 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:08.360 far fetching any capacity. And so for Drake to kind 307 00:14:08.360 --> 00:14:10.320 of say what he says, because he's so salty about 308 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:13.159 you know, losing an air quote rap battle if you will, 309 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:15.440 you know, over the summer, which is now months old, 310 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:17.639 and to be you know, Ice grilling them the entire 311 00:14:17.720 --> 00:14:19.600 time in the game, you know, and they call them 312 00:14:19.600 --> 00:14:21.519 a P word and all this other stuff like that too, 313 00:14:21.639 --> 00:14:24.320 Like it's I don't know, man, is Drake is on 314 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:26.320 some different stuff right now? You know, I think and 315 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:27.840 as you're lived to a little bit more owner than 316 00:14:27.879 --> 00:14:29.600 he should be at this point, you got let stuff 317 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:31.960 like that go to de Rosan that really got nothing 318 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:33.799 to do with any of this, and on all the 319 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:35.799 things on the night that Vince Carter Jersey is being 320 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:38.480 retired to. So what is happening? Bro? Like it just 321 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:39.080 doesn't make sense. 322 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:39.759 I mean, so what Drake? 323 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:42.759 So Drake is gonna is gonna call a P word 324 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:46.279 out when Serena Williams is out there at a game? 325 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:48.039 You know what I'm saying, Like, I mean, how far 326 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:50.679 do you want this thing to be taken? I'm not listen, 327 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:52.960 I get it. You know, you feel some kind of 328 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:55.799 way if you if you if you actually are in 329 00:14:55.879 --> 00:14:58.440 rap beef with somebody, and you know that there are 330 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:02.200 artists who are actually, But that's how it's always been. 331 00:15:02.320 --> 00:15:04.080 Like if you put a microphone in front of half 332 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:05.919 of these guys, they'll probably tell you right now they 333 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:08.360 got Kendrick Lamar, you know what I'm saying, in in 334 00:15:08.480 --> 00:15:12.320 their in their eye music or whatever playing devices they're 335 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:16.240 listening to before they're going game time over Drake, you know, 336 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:17.720 And what does that matter? 337 00:15:17.720 --> 00:15:20.320 Have been interrupted to disagree because I think the majority 338 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:23.399 of the league probably are our very big Drake fans 339 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:25.519 and so forth and Star you even heard, like you 340 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:27.840 would say basketball when they're playing. They're not like us 341 00:15:27.879 --> 00:15:30.360 over overseas in France and where in the case we're like, oh, 342 00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:32.519 you've Steve Kurr, like Steph and Curry like man, I'm 343 00:15:32.600 --> 00:15:34.000 kind of tired of this whatever like that. And he's 344 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:35.720 in the West, you know, obviously Golden State, not you know, 345 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:38.519 it's not La or Compton. But same time, I think 346 00:15:38.600 --> 00:15:41.120 Drake has the hearts, but he's he's maniacal in the 347 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:44.080 way that he wants everybody, he wants, he wants everything, 348 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:46.000 And I mean that's that's made him be successful, that 349 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:47.840 you know, that level of greed. But now we're we're 350 00:15:47.919 --> 00:15:49.919 past greed and now we're at the point of petty, 351 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:51.919 you know, and Drozan has really nothing to do with 352 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:55.200 their rap battle appearing in Kendrick Mars video months old. Now, 353 00:15:55.200 --> 00:15:57.159 who cares, bro Like, let's let's keep it push it. 354 00:15:57.200 --> 00:15:57.600 I get you. 355 00:15:57.639 --> 00:15:59.519 But the only point that I'm making to this show 356 00:15:59.720 --> 00:16:04.519 is that once you start airing things out in spaces 357 00:16:04.600 --> 00:16:08.639 that you don't even a bye by or apply to, 358 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:13.799 like you don't play professional basketball, right what they're talking about, 359 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:17.320 what they are, what they're honoring DeMar DeRozan with, is 360 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:21.320 something that you had no impact on. And you're saying 361 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:25.399 you're gonna go and you're basically going to crap on 362 00:16:25.399 --> 00:16:27.799 on that because of the fact that he jumped on. 363 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:29.919 A video with the guy that you got beef with. 364 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:31.600 That's stupid. You get what I'm saying. 365 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:33.799 It would be different if the playing field was level 366 00:16:34.039 --> 00:16:37.039 in something completely where the both of them had something 367 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:39.639 to do with it. But as far as I'm concerned, 368 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:42.120 when Drake goes out and says those kind of things, 369 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:45.320 I don't think he recognizes that he's speaking to something 370 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:48.440 that he was never applying himself completely to be. He 371 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:50.720 never applied himself to be a part of the NBA, 372 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:52.759 like it would be different if let's say, for example, 373 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:55.120 was Jay Cole. You know what I'm saying, I can 374 00:16:55.240 --> 00:16:57.440 understand that because Jay Cole genuinely tried to play in 375 00:16:57.480 --> 00:17:01.000 the NBA, like he tried out and wanted to do that. 376 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:01.919 That's all what I'm saying. 377 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:03.360 Like, I have no problem if you want to air 378 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:04.880 out your beef, you want to speak some kind of way, 379 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:07.440 you got beef with DeRozan, no problem. But to say 380 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:11.400 when DeRozan, by the city and by the organization, who 381 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:14.680 recognizes this right, the organization paid him to go out 382 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:17.319 there and perform every single night and to give you 383 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:18.480 a reason to be there. 384 00:17:19.200 --> 00:17:20.079 They are saying, we're. 385 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:21.920 Gonna honor you because you are among one of the 386 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:25.720 greatest players as a raptor, and now you're gonna basically 387 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:27.279 come out and say something like, oh, I'm just gonna 388 00:17:27.279 --> 00:17:28.759 go down and rip down that banner because you know 389 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:30.480 you don't deserve it because I got beef with the 390 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:31.880 fact that you jumped on a video. 391 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:33.559 I mean, yeah, I don't know the full context of 392 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:35.039 the of when it came out, because again it was 393 00:17:35.119 --> 00:17:37.920 VC's night and they're saying it. DeRozan will probably get 394 00:17:37.960 --> 00:17:40.920 the same honore at some point. So to even preemptively 395 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:43.319 say that you don't know when that would be years 396 00:17:43.319 --> 00:17:46.200 from now, all that should be squash. So again it was. 397 00:17:46.279 --> 00:17:48.559 It shows a level of maturity, you know, on one 398 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:50.319 of the great you know hip hop stars and you 399 00:17:50.319 --> 00:17:53.960 know currently today. But hey, that's that's what makes it fun. 400 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:54.079 Man. 401 00:17:54.599 --> 00:17:56.680 No, no, But like I said, I love what DeRozan said. 402 00:17:56.680 --> 00:17:58.119 He's like, look man, it's a long climb up. 403 00:17:58.160 --> 00:18:03.480 Good luck with that that plays the clip of Friday. 404 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:05.720 You know what I mean? Well, he goes, I'll be 405 00:18:05.759 --> 00:18:09.319 talking again. So with the DBO stuff, so is from 406 00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:11.759 the West. Even utilizing that Friday clip, I think was 407 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:13.960 you know, indicative of that. So a lot of a 408 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:14.839 lot of fun here for us. 409 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:16.920 I just found it so hilarious too because they were 410 00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:18.880 on a video. They were on a commercial together with 411 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:22.599 freaking State Farm. You know, like it's it's it's like 412 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:27.920 the WWE. Just who whoever's writing this up is probably 413 00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:29.319 former WWE people. 414 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:31.319 You're two to the baseline. 415 00:18:31.319 --> 00:18:34.000 Cali Warr's Shaw discussing the hot button topics of the NBA. 416 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:36.640 Coming up, We got to talk about the Cleveland Cavaliers. 417 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:40.000 They are on one ten toes down standing on business 418 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:43.759 right now as they are so far owning the NBA. 419 00:18:44.119 --> 00:18:50.119 But is all of that contender or pretender's gonna speak 420 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:53.400 to that? And then Superstar divorces in the making. I 421 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:56.519 know sometimes we talk about it from an entertainment space, 422 00:18:56.680 --> 00:18:58.440 but can you really believe that we might actually be 423 00:18:58.480 --> 00:19:01.039 doing this in an NBA space. 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So the question is, Shaw, 442 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:23.160 are the Cleveland Cavaliers from what you're seeing right now, 443 00:20:23.440 --> 00:20:26.559 right just right now, from what you're seeing right now, 444 00:20:27.119 --> 00:20:29.559 are they contender or pretender? 445 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:33.960 Yeah, right now they are an absolute contender. But we've 446 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:37.480 seen their style before cal like, we've seen them go 447 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:41.319 on really good and long runs within the regular season. 448 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:44.240 It's just the aspect of when they get to the playoffs. 449 00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:47.160 One do they execute in the way that they need 450 00:20:47.200 --> 00:20:49.640 to and two are they healthy enough to do even 451 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:52.200 all of those things? All that remains to be seen, 452 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:54.480 I think as we push forward into the dol drums 453 00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:56.759 if you will, of the NBA season into April, May 454 00:20:56.839 --> 00:21:00.400 and June. But right now, this Cavs teams looks real rushed. 455 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:02.880 And I got to give all the credit to Kenny Atkinson, 456 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:05.519 you know, kind of early on or what's six seven 457 00:21:05.559 --> 00:21:08.839 games into it, He's unlocked the Evan Mobley that everybody's 458 00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:10.680 kind of wanted to see why won't say it's been 459 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:14.039 perfect basketball from Mobile. Mobley has been more aggressive and 460 00:21:14.119 --> 00:21:16.559 has not gotten into the way of Jared Allen when 461 00:21:16.599 --> 00:21:20.079 they've been playing together there. Scarlin also complimentary guys like 462 00:21:20.160 --> 00:21:22.039 Dean Wade coming in here and doing what they need 463 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:23.759 to do to be able to face the floor appropriately. 464 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:27.319 Donovan Mitchell still being his all NBA level stealth. To me, 465 00:21:27.559 --> 00:21:30.079 this is all credit to Kenny Atkinson. Fourth and defense 466 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:32.960 right now, second and offense, third and net rating. Everything 467 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:35.640 is clicking for the for the Cleveland Cavaliers, inclusive of 468 00:21:35.680 --> 00:21:37.440 their bench, which I thought was going to be the 469 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:39.480 most suspect part of what they had going on here. 470 00:21:39.759 --> 00:21:42.240 But between that and Atkinson, those starters, they're doing a really, 471 00:21:42.279 --> 00:21:43.240 really god job to start. 472 00:21:43.039 --> 00:21:45.640 To see, I think what's impressed me about this team 473 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:50.480 Shaw is their ball movement and the decisiveness that I'm 474 00:21:50.519 --> 00:21:54.240 seeing from their star players. I don't know if whether 475 00:21:54.359 --> 00:21:59.559 or not Kenny Atkinson established the pecking order on you know, 476 00:21:59.680 --> 00:22:03.880 who the primary you know players are, you know, I 477 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:05.839 you know, sometimes it's you know, we get a little 478 00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:08.839 too into that whole thing. It's like, you know, he 479 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:11.119 has to be the top tier scorer and he has 480 00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:12.640 to be the second score, like he has to be 481 00:22:12.680 --> 00:22:14.279 one A and one B and things of that nature. 482 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:16.960 I think what I'm just really impressed by is and 483 00:22:17.279 --> 00:22:19.079 I saw this the other night when I was watching 484 00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:23.359 the Cavaliers take on the Orlando Magic, which obviously, you know, 485 00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:25.680 it's a completely different thing of Paulovonkara is not on 486 00:22:25.720 --> 00:22:32.599 the floor, but the decisiveness in excuse me and Spider 487 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:36.079 Mitchell with how he was trying to with how he's 488 00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:40.480 scoring the basketball, to me, it's almost like he read, 489 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:46.359 you know, the the the scouting report on what it 490 00:22:46.440 --> 00:22:49.640 was going to take in order, you know, to jump 491 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:53.519 on this team early. And that, to me, I think 492 00:22:53.599 --> 00:22:57.440 speaks a lot to the preparation and to your point, 493 00:22:57.839 --> 00:23:00.680 that's where the kudos does go to Kennyakis. I feel 494 00:23:00.680 --> 00:23:02.960 like this is a Cavaliers team that is coming in 495 00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:07.119 more prepared with who they're playing against and how they 496 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:09.920 want to dictate, you know, the way that they want 497 00:23:09.920 --> 00:23:12.359 to impose their will against whoever it is they're playing against. 498 00:23:12.400 --> 00:23:14.880 And that's just something that you didn't get a sense 499 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:19.039 was always you know, being embedded in them while JB. 500 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:22.480 Bickerstaff was, you know, the head coach. Nothing against J. B. Bickerstaff, 501 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:24.839 because I think he's a great coach. I do think 502 00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:27.000 that this was part of the knock on the fact 503 00:23:27.039 --> 00:23:28.960 that he couldn't get over that part of the hump 504 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:31.000 because he just never was able to either make the 505 00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:34.319 certain adjustments or you just didn't see the consistency in 506 00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:36.359 this in his team's. 507 00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:38.599 Preparation for who they're being matched up against. 508 00:23:38.920 --> 00:23:40.920 Now, again, this is an early sample size, and to 509 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:43.160 your point, Shaw, we don't know what this is going 510 00:23:43.240 --> 00:23:46.440 to look like once one of their star players goes 511 00:23:46.559 --> 00:23:48.519 down or there's injury that takes place. 512 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:50.400 But I do feel. 513 00:23:51.880 --> 00:23:56.440 More positive about this version of the Cavs because it 514 00:23:56.640 --> 00:24:00.279 just feels like they all know what roles they have 515 00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:03.039 to play for them to be this kind of successful 516 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:06.440 through the course of the regular season and for it 517 00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:09.759 to carry that momentum going into hopefully that postseason. 518 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:12.839 Yeah, I'm gonna support your point in this way. At 519 00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:15.119 this at this current structure, nobody on this roster is 520 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:17.119 playing over thirty minutes a game twenty nine point six. 521 00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:19.680 You can call it right at thirty, but nobody's over thirty. 522 00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:21.720 And you can attribute to the fact that they've been 523 00:24:21.839 --> 00:24:24.279 a couple of the games. They blown the doors off, 524 00:24:24.519 --> 00:24:26.160 so they don't know. Those stars don't need to be 525 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:29.519 out there. But that is something to you where you're like, 526 00:24:29.599 --> 00:24:32.200 you're kind of getting that even distribution of minutes across 527 00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:35.720 the board from Dean Wade and Sam Merrill, even Isaac Occorro, 528 00:24:35.799 --> 00:24:37.759 who could be pouting talking about, Hey, I was a 529 00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:40.039 high draft pick. I don't have as large a role 530 00:24:40.119 --> 00:24:42.559 on this team than that I that I want to have. Remember, 531 00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:44.599 they don't even have Max Juce yet. He hasn't even 532 00:24:44.599 --> 00:24:46.559 been able to play a game, and he's somebody else 533 00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:49.319 who's going to come back and presumably space of four 534 00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:51.400 for them and defend a little bit as well. Ty 535 00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:53.519 Jerome is coming to this. You know, this guy's been 536 00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:55.440 kind of a little bit of a journeyman, but now 537 00:24:55.480 --> 00:24:57.440 he's playing well and you almost giving him ten points 538 00:24:57.480 --> 00:24:59.559 a game off that bench. To me, this is all 539 00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:02.240 a tribut to Atkinson and the role definement as you 540 00:25:02.319 --> 00:25:05.000 were alluding to that he clearly has he's established a 541 00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:07.480 pecking order and there's nothing like having a coach that 542 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:10.640 brings in the direct with the structure. And again nothing 543 00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:13.799 against JB. Bickerstaff. We've had him on our show JB's 544 00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:16.079 a friend of the show. We like JB, but something 545 00:25:16.200 --> 00:25:18.400 wasn't clicking in the way that at least it is 546 00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:20.799 right now with Calves, and JB went on some runs too, 547 00:25:20.839 --> 00:25:22.720 Like I said, like I don't want to disparage him 548 00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:25.119 in that way, but right now this Calfs teams look different, 549 00:25:25.359 --> 00:25:26.920 and a lot of that has to do with the 550 00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:30.920 I think the aggressiveness too of Evan Mobley attacking, shooting 551 00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:33.720 threes and not being boldly just because he's air quote 552 00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:36.640 slider frame. He's going in there and he's punishing some 553 00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:38.279 of those small great stuff in. 554 00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:42.839 The Yeah, do you think Shaw, do you think that 555 00:25:46.440 --> 00:25:54.119 they are They are getting over this idea that Mitchell 556 00:25:54.319 --> 00:25:57.200 is supposed to be saving them. I think part of 557 00:25:57.279 --> 00:25:59.279 the struggle that this team has had in the last 558 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:03.599 year and a half two years under the Mitchell aerosot 559 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:06.160 to speak, is this perception that he has to he 560 00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:07.559 had to be the one to come in and save 561 00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:11.279 these guys, and these guys not realizing the potential of 562 00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:13.519 what they can actually help bring to this table to 563 00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:14.119 help him. 564 00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:14.839 Right. 565 00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:17.839 It was always like what Mitchell was doing when he 566 00:26:17.960 --> 00:26:20.400 was in Utah. He comes over and they're supposed to 567 00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:24.599 help make this team so significantly better. You know, I'm 568 00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:27.440 just wondering if whether or not they're beginning to recognize 569 00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:29.400 that they're just other things they know that they could 570 00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:31.440 literally be great at doing. Like you see that with 571 00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:34.559 the way that Jared Allen commands, you know, the center position, 572 00:26:35.680 --> 00:26:38.640 that you're seeing more of that confidence more and mobile 573 00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:41.680 to your point, because I think that what his skill 574 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:44.559 set brings be it different than what you get from Mitchell, 575 00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:47.599 what you get from Garland. That the expectation of what 576 00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:49.720 he needs to do and how he has to do it. 577 00:26:49.839 --> 00:26:54.519 It's a it's an attitude of being that guy that 578 00:26:54.880 --> 00:26:57.880 is saying, I know that I am a mismatch problem 579 00:26:58.200 --> 00:27:00.599 for whoever is going to have to deem me up, 580 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:04.000 you know what I'm saying, And I need to establish myself. 581 00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:05.880 I need to put my foot in the. 582 00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:08.440 Ground, draw that line in the sand about what guys 583 00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:10.319 are going to need to do to defend me. Rather 584 00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:14.359 than worrying about you know, when Mitchell gets off, when 585 00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:17.440 Garland gets off, when Struce gets off, Like you know 586 00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:19.680 what I'm saying, Like he doesn't have to worry about 587 00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:22.279 that anymore, because I think they all understand that like, look, 588 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:25.160 if you start doing damage down there in the blocks, 589 00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:27.839 if you start doing damage even beyond the three or 590 00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:29.599 whatever the case may be. But there's just your level 591 00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:34.200 of aggression. It bodes well for everybody in the way 592 00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:38.039 that they have to change how they're defending and that debt. 593 00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:39.920 That just opens up the floor even more for guys 594 00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:44.359 like you know, like their backcourts, you know, for sure. 595 00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:45.839 And I think a lot of it too with Garland 596 00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:47.799 having the confidence. But I'm going to go back to 597 00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:51.480 your earlier point. Donovan Mitchell does not need to be 598 00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:53.720 a savior. He needs to just be a leader, not 599 00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:55.440 just but he needs to be a leader. There are 600 00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:59.359 there are differences in that, and leaders at times will 601 00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:01.599 have to say, you know, certain games, as he did 602 00:28:01.640 --> 00:28:03.839 in Milwaukee just the other night. You know, that was 603 00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:05.839 a very very close game for them, you know, and 604 00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:08.920 Mitchell hits you know, kind of on a broken play, 605 00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:11.279 hits a game winning jumper in essence, you know, to 606 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:13.519 kind of steal it from them in a very competitive game. 607 00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:17.240 But what's not discussed, you know from our lens, but 608 00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:19.160 Donovan Mitchell brought it up at the end of the game, 609 00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:22.799 was the possession before that Isaacaccor dove on the floor 610 00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:25.880 and got them the extra possession. That's when we're talking 611 00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:29.279 about that level of role definement from one through fifteen. 612 00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:31.839 Everybody's like, hey, what can I do to help us win? 613 00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:34.440 Get to that next level? And I don't want to 614 00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:37.839 I don't want to steer it too far into my 615 00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:40.559 own fandom, if you will, but I'm going to say this. 616 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:43.519 I think there's a lot of notes being taped on 617 00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:46.519 how the Celtics changed the way they played last year, 618 00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:49.039 the way Tatum and Brown needed to buy in, the 619 00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:51.200 way the the rest of that roster, guys like Peyton Pritchard, 620 00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:53.920 who was you know, frankly wanted to be out and 621 00:28:54.319 --> 00:28:56.319 leave the team, and they were able to get on 622 00:28:56.400 --> 00:28:59.400 the same page. I think we're seeing a similar shift 623 00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:02.519 from the Cleveland Cavaliers roster and understanding, you know what, Hey, 624 00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:04.799 here are guys. These are going to be the guys, 625 00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:07.559 and everybody else fall in line to do what's necessary 626 00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:09.839 and when when you're a leader. Donovan Mitchell, who the 627 00:29:09.880 --> 00:29:12.599 game winning shot, goes to Isaaca Coral and says, hey, 628 00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:14.960 it was his plan that got us a possession on 629 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:19.079 national TV. That says that they're the appropriate amount of 630 00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:21.799 leadership permegating within that locker room. And that's why I 631 00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:24.240 think this CAP's run is for real as long as 632 00:29:24.279 --> 00:29:24.960 they can stay healthy. 633 00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:30.400 Listen to me, this is a a dangerous team right 634 00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:33.279 when when they when they get right and it seems 635 00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:37.720 like Kenny Atkinson is unlocking you know, that part of 636 00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:42.440 how they can get right, and that again I would 637 00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:45.480 I would caution people, you know, watch out for this 638 00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:48.400 Cavaliers team, because I don't think we ever questioned the talent. 639 00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:50.480 It was a question of whether or not they just 640 00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:54.079 you know, mentally, are ready to take that next step. 641 00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:57.079 And and I think maybe they truly believe that. While 642 00:29:57.160 --> 00:29:59.960 everyone is saying that this is really a race between 643 00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:04.599 the Knicks and the Celtics and maybe the Milwaukee Bucks, 644 00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:07.839 which now they've are you know, the way that they're playing, 645 00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:09.720 you know, you can almost dispel them out of this. 646 00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:12.319 It's like the Cavaliers want that same level of respect, 647 00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:15.680 even though they got to earn it. But you feel 648 00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:18.960 a little more comfortable about saying the Cleveland Cavaliers arguably 649 00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:24.279 the third best team, even though their record is is 650 00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:28.440 obviously better than but they can arguably be the third 651 00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:32.720 best team in comparison to who we've been putting up 652 00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:36.000 as your top tier teams because of what we have 653 00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:40.839 already seen, which is something that we didn't see even 654 00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:43.799 all of last year. We always felt like they just 655 00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:45.799 got by really talent on the talent, you know, we 656 00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:47.960 knew that they were just a talented team, but unlocking 657 00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:49.680 that sit that it comes together to see like the 658 00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:52.559 potential of greatness that can come from this. I mean, 659 00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:55.440 they they get into this mixshaw, oh, we're gonna have 660 00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:57.440 a hell of an Eastern Conference playoff run. 661 00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:00.319 They've always they've always had the talent, you know, And 662 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:02.519 going back him into our rankings, they were six, seven 663 00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:05.440 and eight respectively. You had them seven, come Adams had 664 00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:07.720 had them eight. I had them six, you know, and 665 00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:10.480 even that, but they were the team to me that 666 00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:13.319 had the most boom or bus potential from that middle 667 00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:16.279 tier because of what Donovan Mitchell can bring to that. 668 00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:19.559 But Kenny Atkinson is a coach like he can do 669 00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:21.720 what he does, and you know the fact that he 670 00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:24.759 did not take that Charlotte job some years ago, I 671 00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:26.519 was able to kind of land in what seems to 672 00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:29.039 be a really great situation for him right now. It's 673 00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:30.799 just say hey all all the time, and that it 674 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:32.599 needs to be, and I'm happy for him and the 675 00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:34.599 early success that he's had. All let's just continue see 676 00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:35.400 if the Caps can maintaining. 677 00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:38.559 Yeah, yeah, Kenny Atkinson, Man, you got a little Ray 678 00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:41.319 Donovan in him. Little Ray Donovan's probably why he chose 679 00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:43.319 to good to go to the Cats. He's like, I 680 00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:46.480 want to get my Donovan your tune to the baseline, 681 00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:49.279 Cali warns Shaw, discussing the hot button topics of the 682 00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:54.319 NBA coming up, Superstar the Voices in the making. Yeah, man, 683 00:31:54.680 --> 00:32:00.119 Netflix has got a show, Hulu's got the Kardashians, and 684 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:02.400 the NBA has got centers. 685 00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:05.039 You'll find out what we're talking about. Don't go away, 686 00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:11.920 we are back. 687 00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:17.400 Cali Warrenshaw, Baseline, NBA Podcasts. Final topic of conversation Shaw, 688 00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:23.119 Superstar Divorces in the Making. I mean, we're not trying to, 689 00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:26.400 you know, be like the National Inquirer or the Sun 690 00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:31.079 or anything like that, but I think we'd be remiss 691 00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:35.079 if we didn't start speaking on a couple of players 692 00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:39.759 who have recently been feeling some kind of way and 693 00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:44.000 have been airing out their grievances, sort of speak to 694 00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:49.799 the media and the public. Ear so Joel Embiid and 695 00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:54.799 Giannis Atitukumpo have expressed their displeasures with. 696 00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:58.599 The criticisms and the. 697 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:05.839 Outright I guess you could say tenor and temperament that 698 00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:10.640 has been you know, shifted with either their organizations or 699 00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:14.839 them themselves, and it's led us to wondering, man like, 700 00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:19.359 damn like is it they just are having a moment 701 00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:22.440 or should we be looking at this on a on 702 00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:25.319 a macro lens right like a in a macro space 703 00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:29.640 that like these guys, I think they are lining things 704 00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:32.559 up for them to be like throwing up the deuces 705 00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:34.400 to their respective teams. 706 00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:38.160 Yeah, and just for a point of clarification, I think 707 00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:40.400 the Gianas report, if you're a fan of the NBA, 708 00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:43.599 you might have saw that. You know, executives are circling 709 00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:47.799 and monitoring the situation in Milwaukee as it continues to 710 00:33:48.279 --> 00:33:49.279 proverbally get worse. 711 00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:50.480 Here vultures on a car. 712 00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:55.440 If Giannis would would ask out and I like Janathan 713 00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:57.680 didn't say that out of his mouth, but he has 714 00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.759 been a little bit more tricky in recent years. You 715 00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:03.960 know about his commitment. But as you were saying off air, 716 00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:05.920 like they've done everything in essence to kind of keep 717 00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:08.880 him in tow, you know, making the moves around him. 718 00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:10.440 They've given him all the money that they wanted to. 719 00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:13.079 He's earned all that money as well too. But it 720 00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:15.920 is a little bit different from the Joel mb situation 721 00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:19.960 where I think the media, the organization to some degree 722 00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:23.800 and he don't all have their wires kind of on 723 00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:26.400 the same page, like things are getting a little bit cross. 724 00:34:26.199 --> 00:34:28.000 So they're short circling all over the place. 725 00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:31.239 I think that's a great, great analogy for it, you know, 726 00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:34.440 and it all starts, well, it doesn't all start. But again, 727 00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:36.159 as we all know, at to date Andbid had not 728 00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:40.119 played any games. And then there was a quote, you know, 729 00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:43.159 from an article by I believe his name is Marcus Hayes, 730 00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:46.239 a well known Philly journalist, you know, who went out 731 00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:48.280 and said joelan B consistently points to the birth of 732 00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:50.760 his son, Arthur, as a major inflection point in his 733 00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:53.480 basketball career. He often says that he wants to be 734 00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:55.880 great to have a legacy for the boy named after 735 00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:58.639 his little brother, who tragically died in an automobile accident 736 00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:00.599 when in B when his would when in BIEB was 737 00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:02.679 in his first year as a seventy six er. Well, 738 00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:04.519 in order to be great at your job, you first 739 00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:06.800 have to show up for work. Embiid has been great 740 00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:09.400 at just the opposite. Now, in his eleventh season, he 741 00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:12.280 consistently has been poor in his conditioning. This poor conditioning 742 00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:14.840 apparently seems to have the layedst debut to the season, 743 00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:17.079 as Inbid will not play in the opener and has 744 00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:19.800 not played in the beginning game since then. Embiid is 745 00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:22.559 ultimately frustrated, and I'm going to play a clip here 746 00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:26.800 from Embiid that led up to an altercation that happened 747 00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:28.400 over course of the weekend that we will then now 748 00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:32.920 speak on, you know, following the conversations and the altercation 749 00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:34.880 if you will, from Joe Ebiid and Marcus Hayes. 750 00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:37.719 You know there is I mean, I've done it, you know, 751 00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:41.199 from what I can tell you, I've been I broken 752 00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:44.760 my face twice, I came back early with the risk 753 00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:50.199 of losing my vision, have broken fingers. I still came back. 754 00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:54.280 So I'm not gonna see her and be like like, 755 00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:56.920 you know when I you know, when I you know, 756 00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:00.960 see people saying doesn't want to play. I've been way 757 00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:04.079 too much. I've done way too much, you know, for 758 00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:09.280 this city and you know, putting myself out risk, you know, 759 00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:13.199 for people to be saying. So I do think it's 760 00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:17.440 it's bullshit like that. Do He's not here, Marcus whatever 761 00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:20.079 his name is. I've done way too much for this 762 00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:25.559 fucking city to be treated like this, So don't wait 763 00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:29.360 way too fucking much. But like I said, I wish 764 00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:32.440 I was lucky as others. But that doesn't mean that 765 00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:36.519 I'm not trying to you know, I'm not you know, 766 00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:39.760 doing whatever it takes to be out there, which I'm 767 00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:41.519 gonna be here pretty soon. 768 00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:46.440 So ce y'all. That led to an altercation after the 769 00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:50.639 Sixers loss to the Memphis Grizzlies, where Marcus Hayes did 770 00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:55.480 the reporter actually got into the locker room and Embeid said, hey, listen, 771 00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:57.159 you can you can talk about me. You can say 772 00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:00.440 s suck, but basically will Smith and keep family his 773 00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:04.599 name out f in mouth. And there's various reports and iterations. 774 00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:07.079 We don't even have all the full details other than 775 00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:09.239 that Embiid did lay hands on the reporter, you know, 776 00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:11.559 pushed him in the shoulder. By by what people are saying, 777 00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:15.119 and then the Philly media team, the sixers media team 778 00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:16.880 asks people to clear it out, and you know, and 779 00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:19.239 they try and try to de escalate, but Embiid was 780 00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:22.280 turned up and ready to rock and he did not 781 00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:24.760 care about his professional career because he felt he was 782 00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:27.800 assaulted as a human being by the words that that 783 00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:30.880 that that reporter had had put out there, especially with 784 00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:33.119 how how sense of that has to be for anybody 785 00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:36.360 who's lost somebody in their family. Your thoughts on, you know, 786 00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:39.360 the seventy six ers situation with Joel Embiid, not just 787 00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:41.719 with the reporter, but just kind of in general, what 788 00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:43.639 is is this all kind of leading to what might 789 00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:45.559 be a messy divorce with him and the franchise. 790 00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:49.000 Yeah, so I'm glad you laid everything out here with this, 791 00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:51.559 right and I'm gonna try to be succinct about this. 792 00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:56.880 I'm gonna really try. I can completely understand Joel Embid's 793 00:37:56.880 --> 00:38:00.119 a frustration. I really could. He has every right to 794 00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:05.320 feel frustrated at the same time as a as a 795 00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:08.960 as a an athlete, as a professional athlete. And if 796 00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:11.679 this is about you know, your legacy, if this is 797 00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:14.239 about what you want people to perceive you to being 798 00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:16.079 and stuff like that, there's a time and a place 799 00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:18.920 for how you go about handling these situations. 800 00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:21.440 Okay, so, but this is this has. 801 00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:24.239 Kind of always been Joel Embiid's problem. It's it's how 802 00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:27.320 he goes about handling the situation. It's not so much 803 00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:29.599 as what you say, it's what you do. And I 804 00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:33.239 feel like that was a perfect situation where you really 805 00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:36.840 should say less and you should really just do more. 806 00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:40.599 Right, do more. That it puts it on. 807 00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:45.519 The those that are opening up this space for them 808 00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:48.039 that have no idea what's going on to speak to 809 00:38:48.119 --> 00:38:51.760 that situation and then you can help dispel that myth. 810 00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:58.199 I will say this right, I don't like when people 811 00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:02.599 who say that they are journalists. And I'm not questioning 812 00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:07.559 the credentials of Marcus Hayes. I'm not questioning what he's 813 00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:12.480 done as a journalist. But this is what happens when 814 00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:15.960 what you're supposed to be doing is journalism, but what 815 00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:22.360 you are speaking to sensationalizes putting facts out there because 816 00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:24.599 you have an opinion about either a player or the 817 00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:26.920 situation that's going on with the player. And when you 818 00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:30.360 when you don't define those lines properly, this is what 819 00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:33.280 you get. Right, you could run the risk of you 820 00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:37.320 being blackballed, you not getting access to the star players. 821 00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:40.639 And think about it like this too, Shaw, When you 822 00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:43.639 put stuff like that out there, what are other guys 823 00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:46.599 in that locker room thinking if they confide to speak 824 00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:50.000 to certain things and situations, if you're an anonymous source 825 00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:51.880 or whatever the case may be, that it's going to 826 00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:55.000 allow you to come out and say things in an 827 00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:58.840 editorial fashion, in an opinionated fashion that really is not 828 00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:01.920 completely based than all of the facts that are going on. 829 00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:04.440 You know what I'm saying. I just felt like he 830 00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:07.719 took it a step too far. If you want to question. 831 00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:11.280 Joel Embiid's availability because he's constantly injured in whatever the case, 832 00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:14.519 may be, no problem, but you don't take his words, 833 00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:16.880 and then you don't take and you take that situation, 834 00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:19.679 you flip that in some way to say, oh, he's 835 00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:21.280 using this as a prop and excuse. 836 00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:22.000 You don't know that. 837 00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:25.840 You're not there, you're not meant to be there, You're 838 00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:28.400 only there to speak to the facts. Had he done that, 839 00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:31.000 I don't think we would have gotten to that particular point. 840 00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:35.159 But again, if we're just talking about what this does 841 00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:38.079 for Joel Embiid, I just think it further cements. Joel 842 00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:40.719 Embiid is just he's done with Philly, not that he 843 00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:43.079 wasn't done with them before, but I just think he's 844 00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:46.840 literally done with Philly, and I'm gonna speak to something Shaw. 845 00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:49.239 We didn't talk about this. I didn't think about this. 846 00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:52.360 Until we were talking about off before off year because 847 00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:53.880 I was trying to figure out, like, what's a good 848 00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:56.000 correlation to what's going on here. 849 00:40:56.239 --> 00:40:59.679 Remember what happened with Derek Rose. You remember what happened. 850 00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:02.599 I'm not talking about everything happening exactly like how it's 851 00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:04.800 happening with Joel Ebid. I'm saying there gets to a 852 00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:07.840 point whereas you as a player, you begin to realize 853 00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:11.199 that this situation that's going on is not good for 854 00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:14.639 your well being and your family's well being and your 855 00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:18.599 longevity in the NBA, especially when you're not getting the 856 00:41:18.760 --> 00:41:22.079 back of the organization to help you out when it 857 00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:24.559 comes to these type of matters. And I feel like 858 00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:27.320 this is what's going on now with Joel Embiid. He's 859 00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:29.920 at a point where he's just like, look, if you 860 00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:32.679 guys can't appreciate what I've done at this point, If 861 00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:35.559 you guys can't appreciate the sacrifices I've already made, given 862 00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:38.599 the circumstances and everything like that to heck with you, 863 00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:41.199 you know, and I get it. My only concern though, 864 00:41:41.239 --> 00:41:42.760 when it comes to Joel Embiid is the fact that 865 00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:44.800 by saying it and doing it in the way that 866 00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:47.159 he does. If he's talking about trying to get his 867 00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:51.159 bag again or going elsewhere, there's some other organizations, very 868 00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:54.480 well known organizations, you know what I'm saying, traditional old 869 00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:57.599 school OG organizations are looking at this like, look, as 870 00:41:57.639 --> 00:41:59.719 great as he is, do we really want to be 871 00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:01.880 thrown out that kind of money For someone like him, 872 00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:03.400 with that kind of attitude and the way that he 873 00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:05.840 handles things, he may not be ready for that line 874 00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:08.320 light that we that we have in our market. If 875 00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:11.639 he's talking about being elsewhere, yeah, I. 876 00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:15.079 Think very great points. Cl One thing I do want 877 00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:18.280 to tap into is, you know, having some having been 878 00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:23.079 somebody who who's written before, I've had some access to players, 879 00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:25.559 and you do have to think about, Okay, well how 880 00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:28.000 am I going to paint this. You can be critical, 881 00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:31.800 and but you have to be fair, and I think 882 00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:34.280 trying to bridge or thread the needle if you will, 883 00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:37.800 to some like the way that he's currently behaving and 884 00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:41.480 be that is as if it's some sort of dishonor 885 00:42:41.840 --> 00:42:45.079 to his family. Is I mean, it is it is. 886 00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:47.920 It's an absurdity that, as somebody who's been in the 887 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:50.400 journalism feeling, I don't have the credentials as Marcus Hayes, 888 00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:53.639 like I just I could never and what what What 889 00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:58.280 irritates me more about this whole situation is not it 890 00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:00.639 wasn't like a blog you know, you will, and the 891 00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:03.039 aspect of just saying, okay, well whatever, I just put 892 00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:05.400 this out on my own independent website and I have 893 00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:09.000 you know, millions and millions of followers. No, the Philadelphia 894 00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:12.239 Inquire is a national, you know, media entity with editors 895 00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:15.239 what editors like, yeah, go ahead, you know what, boom, 896 00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:18.199 let's do that and let that be clickworthy. Like I 897 00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:20.679 just I just don't understand, you know that. And I 898 00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:23.039 understand it's a tough market to be in. And I 899 00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:26.320 understand that it's free press and you know, amendments and 900 00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:28.079 you got to be able to you know, free speech, 901 00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:31.159 et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But there's a line 902 00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:33.519 I think of humanity that was crossed here that I 903 00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:36.239 don't be able to come back from and the beat said, listen, 904 00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:37.960 I don't I think even said like I've read some 905 00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:40.119 other stuff this morning, and they're like, well he apologized 906 00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:41.719 in the moment, and he's like, I don't want your 907 00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:43.920 ef an apology, like it's too late, like you've already 908 00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:49.360 crossed cross because forever beef, you know, like Na said, 909 00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:51.159 some beefs are ever last thing. And I think with that, 910 00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:56.719 you know, if in bead ultimately then ask out. I 911 00:43:56.800 --> 00:43:58.199 don't know. I don't want to say that this is 912 00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:02.039 a straw if you will, but it's hasn't helped. And meanwhile, 913 00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:05.280 Paul George, you know, flies himself over from the LA Clippers. 914 00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:07.440 He too has yet to play a game, and he's 915 00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:09.599 sitting here and lot, yo, what the is going on? 916 00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:12.440 I thought I left some drama on the West side. 917 00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:15.079 I come over here to Philly and it's just as 918 00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:17.360 much drama kind of going on in the same situation. 919 00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:20.159 It's so early. The Sixers can write the ship here 920 00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:22.599 from a record standpoint, and you know, go on to 921 00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:25.119 win a bunch of games and be competitive the Eastern Conference. 922 00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:29.239 That I don't want to overstate or understate that that fact, 923 00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:32.400 but it's not great. It's not great to where we are. 924 00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:34.639 And if Embiid were ever to be like, you know what, 925 00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:38.320 I've had enough of all of this stuff. Yeah. The 926 00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:40.920 problem with that last thing I'll say is that he 927 00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:44.599 has a general manager who plays hardball when it comes 928 00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:46.760 to that. You know, you saw the Ben Simmons things 929 00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:48.719 played out. You saw the James Harden things played out. 930 00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:51.440 So if Embiid were to ask out, it's not going 931 00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:53.519 to be a pleasant situation, I think for all part 932 00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:55.440 of the involved. And Darrel always very comfortable with being 933 00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:56.280 uncomfortable real. 934 00:44:56.239 --> 00:44:57.559 Quick because I want to go over to the Ji 935 00:44:57.559 --> 00:44:59.519 Honisty real quick as well too. Shaw. 936 00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:03.320 But here's here's the problem, right, It's the problem that 937 00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:07.599 both Darryl Moury and Joel Embiid have. What do you 938 00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:11.159 have to stand on for you to play hardball? Maury 939 00:45:11.239 --> 00:45:14.039 has not led this team to an Eastern Conference finals, 940 00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:17.119 Maury has not gotten him to an NBA finals. And 941 00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:20.360 Joel Embiid, for all his efforts, Yes he's got an MVP, 942 00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:23.840 but what does that mean nothing? Because there's still other 943 00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:27.199 teams that are still better than him his team, and 944 00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:30.239 that will wind up still being favored even if they 945 00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:31.400 make it into the playoffs. 946 00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:33.719 You get what I'm saying. So clearly there is a 947 00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:36.719 problem here, and I guess what I was trying to do. 948 00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:38.760 And I know at some point, y'all, we're gonna revisit 949 00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:42.159 this because Joel embiid is you know, he is good 950 00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:45.079 at you know what I'm saying, egging things on, you 951 00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:46.920 know what I'm saying, and he's willing to take it. 952 00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:49.400 That's the one thing I think people forget. Man, he 953 00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:51.920 doesn't do this without knowing that he is going to 954 00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:54.159 shoulder this, and he will carry this, whether you want 955 00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:57.280 to consider it petty whatever, he will shoulder that. 956 00:45:57.480 --> 00:45:58.119 That's fine. 957 00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:01.440 What I'm just saying is is that for Joel embeat 958 00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:04.360 and what his future may hold, and what his future 959 00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:07.519 may tell because he's his his legacy is already immersed 960 00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:10.760 in the process, and we're now at this particular stage. 961 00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:12.559 Now now we're going to move to another stage should 962 00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:15.440 he choose to go elsewhere. Do you really want that 963 00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:20.039 perception to carry with you that everywhere you go it's 964 00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:24.199 always this, you know, this level of I don't want 965 00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:28.159 to use the word chaos, but it's just PANDEMONI. 966 00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:29.920 In one place. So it can't say everywhere he's gone. 967 00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:30.960 He's only been in one spot. 968 00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:34.119 No, no, no, But I'm saying the iterations of your 969 00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:36.800 of your career. Let me use that better, the iterations 970 00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:39.159 of your career. Do you want another iteration of your career? 971 00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:44.280 You be versed in controversy and chaos of things, right, Like, 972 00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:46.960 because even when he makes comments like I don't see 973 00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:49.199 myself playing back to back, why are you saying anything 974 00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:49.559 about that? 975 00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:50.519 You know what I'm saying. 976 00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:53.280 The season hasn't even even hasn't even started, and you're 977 00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:55.840 already speaking about things that even you don't know whether 978 00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:56.960 or not you can and can't do. 979 00:46:57.280 --> 00:46:59.480 You know what I'm saying, And so that all you're doing. 980 00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:03.760 Is adding introject from this standpoint, because like, and we 981 00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:05.239 say this all the time, right and we had a 982 00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:09.039 lot of conversation about even that, but we we as 983 00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:11.960 media members podcasts as a whole lot like we it's 984 00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:14.079 so strange, like we do. And I'm not criticizing it. 985 00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:15.960 I want to be clear about that, but we want 986 00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:18.679 it both ways. We get frustrated when you know players 987 00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:20.639 are well, you know, a great game, I tried, hord 988 00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:22.719 blah blah blah, blah blah, and then when they give 989 00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:25.159 us something to talk about, as we have now been 990 00:47:25.159 --> 00:47:27.039 talking about for the last couple of weeks, like we 991 00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:29.440 also hold hold them to a different standard too as 992 00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:30.920 well as too like it's a it's a it's a 993 00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:33.719 weird juxtaposition. But I agree in the aspect of the 994 00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:36.639 statement itself came seemingly out of left field, because I 995 00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:39.320 don't know how he got to that, to that, to 996 00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:42.239 that end conclusion that yeah, this might be something for 997 00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:44.119 the rest of my career, not just you know, this 998 00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:47.199 year as he's trying to you know, maintain or injury manage, 999 00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:49.760 if you will, but in be as somebody, as we 1000 00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:51.280 continue to say, and as you just said a little 1001 00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:53.719 while ago, he knows how to push buttons, but he 1002 00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:56.000 seems to be like somebody who wants to also pick 1003 00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:58.440 and choose when the buttons can be pushed back on him. 1004 00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:00.920 And that's where I think we're having overall diskonde oft. 1005 00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:04.880 Yeah, but he ain't Kevin Durant, Right, Kevin Durant can 1006 00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:06.920 push buttons all he wants, but he has got a 1007 00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:11.159 resume that allows him, you know what I'm saying. We 1008 00:48:11.559 --> 00:48:13.760 sat here, we questioned the way he goes about doing 1009 00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:16.920 things oh my god, childish, petty, whatever. But he's been consistent, 1010 00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:19.760 he's never told you differently, he's never shied away, and 1011 00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:22.679 nothing is not without it being deliberate. So that's when 1012 00:48:22.719 --> 00:48:25.519 you know that Kevin Durant knows exactly what he's doing. 1013 00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:28.159 There are times where you wonder, like, are you really 1014 00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:30.320 doing this for the greater good or whatever your own 1015 00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:32.559 purposes or is it just you're in your moment, you're 1016 00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:34.679 in your feelings and you just got played, like you 1017 00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:37.159 got duped into coming out and saying something like this 1018 00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:39.559 when it didn't even need to be said. And I'm 1019 00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:41.559 not saying it because I wanted to be a boring 1020 00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:43.599 you know, like, yeah, of course we want to have 1021 00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:46.599 conversations and we want there even to be some controversy. 1022 00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:48.920 But I do think that some of the comments that 1023 00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:52.159 he is making, I don't see where that even is 1024 00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:55.639 even beneficial in the general sense with what we talk 1025 00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:58.880 about with the NBA culture and for someone who is 1026 00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:02.639 an MVP player, right he if Nikola Jokic was doing this, 1027 00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:04.039 we would be like, what the heck is talking? 1028 00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:05.199 What's going on here? 1029 00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:07.400 Like you know what I'm saying, Like kats will be 1030 00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:09.639 rolling in their grays or former MVP players be like, 1031 00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:10.639 I would never say that. 1032 00:49:11.239 --> 00:49:13.440 I would never say that, Like that's just absurd, you 1033 00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:15.440 know what I'm saying. All I'm getting. 1034 00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:17.360 All I'm saying is that I don't know, like it's 1035 00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:19.480 coming from a different space. Finally, y'all, I just want 1036 00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:21.039 to get to this thing real quick about Giani's and 1037 00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:22.760 it was something that we were talking about off the 1038 00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:26.719 year when Jana's out to Ducumpo. My biggest pet peeve 1039 00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:33.760 is that if if Yannis wants out right, very much so, 1040 00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:37.360 but he hasn't said that. If if he wants out, 1041 00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:42.000 I honestly think that she should be because I don't 1042 00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:44.880 know if there's just some miss going on with the 1043 00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:48.199 way that the organization sees what kind of team Yannis 1044 00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:50.960 should be should have around him, or whether or not 1045 00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:55.280 Giannis's influence about the kind of players and the roster 1046 00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:58.480 and what he I don't know if it's completely all 1047 00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:01.960 salted in its assault BA into this idea that you 1048 00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:04.239 know Giannis has a full say of what's going on. 1049 00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:07.800 I me personally, again, this is conspiracy theory thought process here. 1050 00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:11.079 I still think that Giannis is still hung over at 1051 00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:14.119 the way things were handled with them moving Drew Holliday 1052 00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:17.519 off that roster. And while I know that he gets 1053 00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:20.199 along with Damian Lillard and everything like that, there's nothing 1054 00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:22.559 about this team from the last two years that you've 1055 00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:26.000 seen that gives the feel that he has control of 1056 00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:26.599 what's going on. 1057 00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:28.880 It's either that or Yiannis doesn't care. 1058 00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:31.719 And we're like putting the blame on everybody else and 1059 00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:34.360 not really focusing on how Yannis does not have that 1060 00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.280 that it factor in him, like that you know that 1061 00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:41.039 monster desire that you know we saw prior to winning 1062 00:50:41.079 --> 00:50:44.400 that championship, and it's it's not something where it's I'm 1063 00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:46.400 blaming him. What I'm saying is it's just like you 1064 00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:48.599 don't get the feel that this is gonna be like 1065 00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:51.280 that Bucks team that we were so enamored and gunning 1066 00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:53.719 for and saying we hope Giannis gets that that first ring. 1067 00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:56.599 We're not seeing those iterations of those type of Bucks 1068 00:50:56.679 --> 00:50:58.840 teams since they won that championship. 1069 00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:03.360 I'll back this up by saying, for me, with Giannis, 1070 00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:05.920 I think he has created for a very long time, 1071 00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:10.400 like the humble superstar, like that's been the them, and 1072 00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:14.199 that he's operating within After you receive a certain level 1073 00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:17.559 of success, you win multiple MVPs, you win an NBA Championship, 1074 00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:20.880 it's very hard to maintain that same level of humility. 1075 00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:23.280 You're just operating within a different are, Like what you 1076 00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:26.880 do is different. It is, and I'm not excusing it, 1077 00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:30.159 but I think we're starting to see the aspect of 1078 00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:34.159 him now truly being into stardom and what that what 1079 00:51:34.360 --> 00:51:37.880 that means, and how an organization capitulates to what his 1080 00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:43.079 whims are as a generational type franchise player, that that 1081 00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:47.760 he is so the nice guy who came from the 1082 00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:51.239 humble beginnings. All those things are still true. But it's 1083 00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:53.320 like how we talk about, you know, with rappers, Like 1084 00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:55.760 at some point, yeah, you're wrapping about being on the street, 1085 00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:59.239 but now, hey, you're making millions and millions of dollars now, 1086 00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:02.559 so you're not cooking up crack anymore. Bro, Like that's 1087 00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:04.199 not the same life. You're like you are in a 1088 00:52:04.239 --> 00:52:07.199 different space. Now you're sipping champagne and you're going to 1089 00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:09.639 the met Gallery or whatever the case may be. So 1090 00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:13.000 your your your are is different and as a result, 1091 00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:15.639 your position changes. And I think that's what we're seeing 1092 00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:18.199 with with Gianni's everything that made him who he is 1093 00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:21.679 very much the the the the crux of of of 1094 00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:25.840 those things. But he's changed somewhat and his level of 1095 00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:28.840 expectation is different, and the organization is is feeling the 1096 00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:31.559 results of that, and they've again they've answered to that. 1097 00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:34.559 But if he does ultimately want to ask ask out, 1098 00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:37.559 I would not be surprised. And you know, for rival 1099 00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:40.880 executives to be circling, maybe there's smoke, but you know, 1100 00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:43.639 when again, when there's smoke, there's fire. And whether that 1101 00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:46.239 ends up being Brooklyn in New York, a very demanding 1102 00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:49.280 market that would completely elevate his his shoe game and 1103 00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:52.880 all those other things, or an organization like Miami, you know, 1104 00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:55.679 with their culture building efforts and things of that nature. 1105 00:52:57.000 --> 00:52:59.400 I don't know that Giannis is going to be a buck, 1106 00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:01.760 you know, for the rest of his career. So I 1107 00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:04.760 want to throw this question back to you kind of 1108 00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:09.679 dual fold betting man. Would you bet that Joel Embiid 1109 00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:12.199 and Organis will be on their respective teams for the 1110 00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:14.440 entire of the career or wish one would you think 1111 00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:16.679 we don't even name name a team? Or do you 1112 00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:19.440 think wish one would potentially ask out or would they 1113 00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:20.039 both ask out. 1114 00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:23.880 I see the Bucks probably figuring out a way. I 1115 00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:27.559 don't think Janis hates the Milwaukee Bucks, but I don't 1116 00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:30.159 think he is enamored with this the way that the 1117 00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:33.039 Bucks organization is structured. And I think if there is 1118 00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:36.519 another unsuccessful campaign that takes place, like say this year, 1119 00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:39.199 I think they're cleaning house. I think Horse will be 1120 00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:41.880 on his way out the door, Rivers will be on 1121 00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:44.679 his way out the door. And you start from scratch 1122 00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:48.760 again with Giannis again saying I told you so right, 1123 00:53:49.079 --> 00:53:51.480 like so you know, like maybe now they'll value with 1124 00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:54.440 what he really wants and desires as to how he 1125 00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:56.239 sees this team a little bit, you know, as far 1126 00:53:56.320 --> 00:53:58.400 as what he wants to you know, kind of have 1127 00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:00.199 on that court, you know what I mean, Like he 1128 00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:03.199 wants guys that roll with him like that. Okay, But 1129 00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:05.559 to your point, could be a different perspective as it 1130 00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:07.920 comes to Joel Ebiid, He's out. I'm sorry, man, Like 1131 00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:10.159 you just don't say the kind of things that you're 1132 00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:11.880 saying right now. If you're Joel Embiid and if you're 1133 00:54:11.960 --> 00:54:15.400 Darryl Moury, I don't know how you save because unless 1134 00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:18.719 he wins a championship, which you tell me, Shaw, you 1135 00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:20.920 think the Philadelphia seventy six is as constructed right now, 1136 00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:22.079 is gonna win a championship? 1137 00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:25.320 I mean as constructed right now. No, But they have 1138 00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:28.920 other moves to make, and we have not seen what 1139 00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:31.480 is supposed to be the iteration, the best iteration of 1140 00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:34.280 this team take the court yet. So I need PG 1141 00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:37.199 and Bid to play some games alongside MAXI, you know, 1142 00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:39.119 give me fifteen to twenty games to kind of assess 1143 00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:41.280 what that looks like for their long term outlook. But 1144 00:54:41.960 --> 00:54:43.840 right now it seemed like we may never get that. 1145 00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:45.519 But I don't want to be too much of a 1146 00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:47.840 prisoner of the moment there until I can see what 1147 00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:49.119 they look like, you know, cohesively. 1148 00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:51.079 How long do this didn't beat have on this contract? 1149 00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:53.639 I don't know off the top of my head. I mean, 1150 00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:55.199 that's obviously something you know, can kind of look up 1151 00:54:55.199 --> 00:54:57.800 because then he just re signed, you know, I think 1152 00:54:57.840 --> 00:54:59.880 that was last summer, so he's probably got you know, 1153 00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:03.079 three years and you know, maybe a player option something. 1154 00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:05.199 I mean, if he if he if he if listen 1155 00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:09.280 if if embiid you know what I'm saying, quote unquote 1156 00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:13.719 gets the gets the uh what do you will call it, 1157 00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:18.840 gets the gauntlet if he if he if he wants, 1158 00:55:18.960 --> 00:55:21.440 if he chooses to try and snap his fingers to 1159 00:55:21.559 --> 00:55:24.880 make the existence of the remaining of his contract goalway 1160 00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:27.320 so he can leave the Philadelphia seventy six ers, then 1161 00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:29.320 I think we'll worry. I'm just saying, if there's anyone 1162 00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:34.559 more incentivized, you know, to demand to get out from 1163 00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:37.239 underneath all of this, it would probably be Joel Embiid. 1164 00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:38.920 But I think the only way is left. 1165 00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:40.760 So as you're talking, there's two years left, so this 1166 00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:43.320 year and next year, no options or anything like that nature. 1167 00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:45.559 So you know he's going to be extension eligible here, 1168 00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:49.079 and so you know, will he play out all of 1169 00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:51.599 next season? You know that remains to be seen. Understanding 1170 00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:53.480 that that would be his last year after they just 1171 00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:56.519 signed Paul George, you know, for a four year deal. Uh, 1172 00:55:56.639 --> 00:55:59.599 you know, this could get really really interesting here quickly 1173 00:56:00.199 --> 00:56:01.360 for the Philadelpia seventy six. 1174 00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:03.360 Er, They're gonna have to win a championship. This is 1175 00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:05.920 the only way that you may be able to salvage 1176 00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:08.639 having Joel Ebid there, because it's like I think, as 1177 00:56:08.679 --> 00:56:11.320 far as he's concerned with maybe the exception of Tyrese Maxey, 1178 00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:13.760 which doesn't necessarily have to be about the player or 1179 00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:17.199 players as much as it is about the organization doing 1180 00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:20.159 what's necessary to have his back. And I tend to 1181 00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:22.920 wonder at times if whether or not the organization truly 1182 00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:24.960 does have Joel Ebid's back. I think if they did, 1183 00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:27.440 they would not joelan b would not be coming out 1184 00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:28.960 saying some of the things that he's been saying. 1185 00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:31.760 They would have basically curtailed a lot of this already. 1186 00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:35.039 And maybe they just, you know, capitulate because he is 1187 00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:38.000 their star and they find it funny and it's cute 1188 00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:40.400 and all this other kind of stuff. But I'm telling you, 1189 00:56:40.599 --> 00:56:46.679 he is accelerating the timetable of fans demand that this 1190 00:56:46.840 --> 00:56:49.760 team gets to an NBA finals, you know what I'm saying, 1191 00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:52.000 Like they want to start seeing results, Like they don't 1192 00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:54.480 want to hear Joel Ebids talking anymore. They want to 1193 00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:57.280 see him on the court producing MVP like kind of 1194 00:56:57.320 --> 00:56:59.880 numbers because he essentially teased them, Hey, I'm an MVP 1195 00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:03.039 worthy your player. But my problem is I still have 1196 00:57:03.159 --> 00:57:05.360 not figured out a way either one to stay healthy 1197 00:57:05.480 --> 00:57:08.119 or two to put my best performance when it matters 1198 00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:10.719 most to get us to the Eastern Conference finals and 1199 00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:12.320 ultimately the NBA Finals. 1200 00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:15.679 This is their best year. And I'll close with that, 1201 00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:17.960 this is their best year. He's got to stay healthy. Well. 1202 00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:19.639 It certainly doesn't help that we were talking about the 1203 00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:21.559 Cleveland Cavaliers just before we were. 1204 00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:27.119 The Cleveland Cavaliers. Shaw have entered the chat okay, so 1205 00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:28.719 that does not help. 1206 00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:31.400 That's because of the Sixers and the Box have failed 1207 00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:33.519 here to be the beginning part of the season. So 1208 00:57:33.760 --> 00:57:35.280 while you know, two teams that we thought were going 1209 00:57:35.320 --> 00:57:37.840 to be at the top there they are struggling here 1210 00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:40.519 to begin the season. But it's only what sex seven 1211 00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:43.119 games in plenty of time for things to turn around 1212 00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:46.119 and turn around both sides, you know, and whatever injuries 1213 00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:48.800 could happen to anybody at any point, your sprained ankle 1214 00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:51.599 away from dropping three four spots in the Eastern Conference. 1215 00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:53.400 So I were wishing all these teams the best of 1216 00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:55.920 health and hopefully that they will all be fully whole 1217 00:57:56.119 --> 00:57:57.639 and we'll be able to see a competitive fees and 1218 00:57:57.679 --> 00:57:59.039 conference in the way that we thought we were going 1219 00:57:59.039 --> 00:57:59.920 to going into the season. 1220 00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:03.440 Absolutely, So what say you, listeners, right like, if you 1221 00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:06.760 had to be a betting man. Who do you think 1222 00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:09.760 would be out the door first for their organization? Would 1223 00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:13.599 it be Joel Embiid or Yiannis Attatakumpo you know? Or 1224 00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:19.039 does Hell's freeze over and the idea for both? Weighing 1225 00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:21.199 on your thoughts, man, We'd love to get your perspective 1226 00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:24.599 on this as always show, another awesome show, a great, 1227 00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:27.880 great discussion, you know what I'm saying. It definitely livens 1228 00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:30.320 things up right before we get ready for NBA Cup. 1229 00:58:31.079 --> 00:58:33.360 Yes, sir, yeah, wait for the MBA Cup. Here Klay 1230 00:58:33.400 --> 00:58:35.280 Thompson making a turn to Golden State I think in 1231 00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:37.719 the premier game for dollars and Golden State there. So 1232 00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:40.320 we'll have much to have some conversations about that here 1233 00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:41.599 in in the coming weeks. But this has been a 1234 00:58:41.639 --> 00:58:43.639 live one. Hope our Pensil listeners enjoyed it and let 1235 00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:44.599 us know your thoughts. 1236 00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:45.039 Here and all that. 1237 00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:48.199 We had beefs, we have injuries, and we got speculation 1238 00:58:48.719 --> 00:58:51.199 on Superstar Divorces man, a lot of great stuff. I mean, 1239 00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:53.199 like like a novella on this point. 1240 00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:56.800 Yeah, exactly, man, We just we just attract speculation everywhere 1241 00:58:56.840 --> 00:59:01.679 we go. For another speculative episode that I can't wait 1242 00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:03.840 to have with my brother from another mother, my man, 1243 00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:06.679 mister Warrenshaw. Once again, we appreciate everybody hopping on board 1244 00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:09.360 with us this week for the baseline Cali warn Shaw. 1245 00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:11.360 We appreciate you guys, you know we do, and we'll 1246 00:59:11.400 --> 00:59:12.679 catch up with you next time.