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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. Tonight's

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<v Speaker 1>account is from a group of six seasoned campers, three

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<v Speaker 1>of them trained military, who ventured deep into the rugged

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<v Speaker 1>heart of Elk State Forest in Pennsylvania. They planned a

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<v Speaker 1>week long escape off trail, but what they got was

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<v Speaker 1>something entirely different. This is the night that Jim stopped

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<v Speaker 1>believing that Bigfoot was a myth. So stay with us,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, big the Society that the privilege of talking

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<v Speaker 1>to Jim today. Jim is an individual that I was

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<v Speaker 1>introduced to after seeing a Reddit post that he had left.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it was an r slash Bigfoot, and he

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<v Speaker 1>is able to come on the show to share some

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<v Speaker 1>interesting things that happened when he was out camping in

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<v Speaker 1>northern Pennsylvania. And welcome to the show, Jim. How's it

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<v Speaker 1>going man, It is going great.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. You know, we don't get a lot a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of northern Pennsylvania, so it is always a fun when

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<v Speaker 1>we get to talk to someone from that state, as

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<v Speaker 1>there is a lot of activity that goes on out there.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, feel free, Jim to take us back

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<v Speaker 1>to what was going on that night when you had

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<v Speaker 1>some weird things happen out there in northern Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 2>Already. So me and five of my buddies, we were

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<v Speaker 2>going on a week long camping trip up in Elk

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<v Speaker 2>State Forest, and it's north central Pennsylvania. We were I

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<v Speaker 2>want to say, north east of Wharton, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>little town up that way. It lies right on the

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<v Speaker 2>edge of Elk County or Elk State Forest anyhow, And

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, we were going up on a week

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<v Speaker 2>long trip and we were going off trail and just

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<v Speaker 2>what we had to carry with us and each of

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<v Speaker 2>my friends we had all been going camping together since

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<v Speaker 2>we were teenagers. We've known each other for years, and

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<v Speaker 2>about the most reliable kind of people each could have

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<v Speaker 2>around honestly, especially in the woods. All very capable people.

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<v Speaker 2>But we ended up going found a good spot to park,

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<v Speaker 2>and we just set off into the woods. We ended

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<v Speaker 2>up going I believed it was northwest into the woods.

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<v Speaker 2>And we got to our spot where we parked at

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<v Speaker 2>about noon. Because we don't live up that way. We

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<v Speaker 2>lived down in the south western Pennsylvania a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>us and it was a long drive up there, as

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<v Speaker 2>you can imagine, it's a big state. Anyway. We got

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<v Speaker 2>into where we parked our cars at about like said noon,

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<v Speaker 2>and we had about four to five hours before dark

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<v Speaker 2>because it was getting into the fall. Leaves hadn't really

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<v Speaker 2>started to fall heavy yet. It was more still into

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<v Speaker 2>changing colors and all that, but it was getting to it,

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<v Speaker 2>so things were getting shorter and all that. Whenever we

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<v Speaker 2>had set off, we started up this one mountain and

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<v Speaker 2>it was fairly rugged and very very minimal sign of

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<v Speaker 2>any kind of like human interference, you know, like there

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a whole lot of garbage. And like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>we were going off trail anyway, so we didn't expect

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<v Speaker 2>to find much anyway. So we had hiked for the

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<v Speaker 2>better part of for four hours or so when it

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<v Speaker 2>was just getting starting to be dusk, we had ended

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<v Speaker 2>up finding a clearing near the top end of this

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<v Speaker 2>mountain side and decided to set up camp. So we

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<v Speaker 2>set up our fires, we set up our hammocks. Because

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<v Speaker 2>ten camping is for suckers in my own personal opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>and I will recommend that if you have never been

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<v Speaker 2>hand of camping into something, you absolutely have to try.

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<v Speaker 2>You get the right hang. It is way better night

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<v Speaker 2>sleeping than sleeping on the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's great. I used to do that on the

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<v Speaker 1>Appalation Trail all the time. Yeah, that's great stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, we had set up our camp in this

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<v Speaker 2>little clearing. We had made dinner, and I settled in

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<v Speaker 2>and as you can imagine a munch middle aged and

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<v Speaker 2>middle mid twenty, you know, grown men hanging out in

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<v Speaker 2>the woods. We're gonna be laughing and carrying on having

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<v Speaker 2>a good time, you know. And we're sitting around campfire,

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<v Speaker 2>carrying on having a good time. And it's getting in dark,

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<v Speaker 2>and just as about we were getting ready to go

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<v Speaker 2>to bed, which I would imagine to be around between

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere between eleven and one o'clock in the morning. None

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<v Speaker 2>of us were really paying attention to the time. But dark, dark,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of, you know. And I'm sitting in my chair,

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<v Speaker 2>and something hit me in the back, you know, nothing hard,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, nothing crazy. So I stood up and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>facing campfire, you know, and all five of us are

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<v Speaker 2>sitting around it. So I turned around and looked into

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<v Speaker 2>the woods. And as you as you know, fire blindness

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<v Speaker 2>is a very big thing, and I couldn't see very

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<v Speaker 2>far past the tree line at all and didn't see nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I pulled up my flash light and I got

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<v Speaker 2>I carry whenever we go camping or hiking together, I

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<v Speaker 2>always make sure I have a really good flash light

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm actually still using the same one to this day.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about three thousand allomens, so it'll it'll cut through

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of night. And I shined in the

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<v Speaker 2>direction of what I thought, and I didn't see anything,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, no movement, no nothing. And I looked down

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<v Speaker 2>in the chair and it was a rock, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>something you know, I wouldn't say any bigger than maybe

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<v Speaker 2>like a half dollar size around nothing, nothing crazy big,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And it wasn't like he was thrown with

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<v Speaker 2>any kind of force. It was like more of a

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<v Speaker 2>toss kind of thing. That's why I was figuring, like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever through it or whatever hit me would have been

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<v Speaker 2>right there, you know, within within eyeshot, even in the dark,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. But like I said, I didn't see a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And whenever I had stood up and pulled the flashlight up,

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of my buddies they all had went silent.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was kind of like a silent rule between

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of us that if we're out in the

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<v Speaker 2>woods together, and any one of us, you know, perks

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<v Speaker 2>up because of something going on, we all just shut

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<v Speaker 2>up and we all pay attention. Well, after I was

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<v Speaker 2>satisfied that there was pretty much nothing there for me

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<v Speaker 2>to see, I go and turn back to the fire,

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<v Speaker 2>and no, sooner do I do that? Did I see

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<v Speaker 2>a rock come out of the woods but the same size?

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<v Speaker 2>Would it hit me in the complete opposite direction, hitting

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<v Speaker 2>my buddy that was across the campfire from me. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>mind you, in this amount of time, there wasn't but

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<v Speaker 2>maybe twenty seconds, you know, So nothing's going to move

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<v Speaker 2>outside of the line of sight of any of all

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<v Speaker 2>six of us in twenty seconds to get around behind

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<v Speaker 2>us without making any noise, you know, especially in the

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<v Speaker 2>dark and with no light. I don't care what it is,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to make some kind of a noise. It's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be seen. And that's when I realized that, well,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever hit me hasn't moved, and now there's something on

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<v Speaker 2>the other side of us. So now all six of

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<v Speaker 2>us are out, and I'm running through my head of well,

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<v Speaker 2>what kind of animal can actually throw anything? And there

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<v Speaker 2>ain't many, And my mind immediately went to well, there's

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<v Speaker 2>somebody out here with us, you know, thinking probably people,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know anyone with enough guts to to

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<v Speaker 2>walk up on six grown men in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>the woods at night, especially with like I said, no

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<v Speaker 2>light without announcing themselves. I mean. And at that point

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<v Speaker 2>I had my forty five on me, forty five ACP,

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<v Speaker 2>and I had pulled it out, and whatever was seeing

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<v Speaker 2>us would had absolutely noticed me doing that, and they did,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's when things became I wouldn't say aggressive, but

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<v Speaker 2>more than what it was before. They started moving around,

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<v Speaker 2>circling around us, and they continued throwing stones at us,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, from off where we couldn't see them, and

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<v Speaker 2>they were thrown quite a bit harder than they were before,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and there was no communication. And like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't see any lights out in the woods either,

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<v Speaker 2>so whatever was doing it was doing it out there

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<v Speaker 2>basically blind. And we had a decent fire gun, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like they were close to us to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to not for us not to see it. And

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<v Speaker 2>at this point all of us had carried side arms,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, all of us had carried guns with us

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<v Speaker 2>to poor protection because I mean, there's Elka bear obviously

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<v Speaker 2>hence the name of the forest. But there's also black bear,

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<v Speaker 2>there's bobcat, there's coyotes, and you never know what an

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<v Speaker 2>animal is gonna be going, especially when it's hungry. So

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<v Speaker 2>we'd always carry those just to keep ourselves safe. And

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<v Speaker 2>whatever was out their new full well that every one

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<v Speaker 2>of us was armed. And this is when I realized

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<v Speaker 2>that we weren't dealing with people, because anybody that would

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<v Speaker 2>be out there, whether it be you know, teenagers playing

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<v Speaker 2>a prank or a brand, a bunch of hillbillies, if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to call you, if you want to go

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<v Speaker 2>that route, they would have said, okay, hey, then joke's

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<v Speaker 2>over now, you know. And I was, like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't hear any of that. But whatever was out

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<v Speaker 2>there circling around us throughout the night, it was definitely

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<v Speaker 2>at least as big as a man, because it sounded

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<v Speaker 2>like a grown man crashing through brush and forest and footsteps,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we could hear footsteps being you know, stomping

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<v Speaker 2>through and around, and like I said, throughout the night,

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<v Speaker 2>most of us, you know, none of us could obviously

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<v Speaker 2>even consider going to sleep. We ended up standing up

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<v Speaker 2>until it was getting getting in the dawn, and before,

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<v Speaker 2>just before the sun started peeking over the mountains, they

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<v Speaker 2>had turned and ran off in opposite directions away from us.

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<v Speaker 2>Before that light's really started to kick in. And now

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<v Speaker 2>none of us had any fear of the forest at all,

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<v Speaker 2>none of the none of us had any fear, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the animals that were out there. It's not like we

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<v Speaker 2>were dealing that. We ever would have had to worry

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<v Speaker 2>about dealing with the grizzly bear, you know, or a moose.

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<v Speaker 2>We just don't live in that area. But it was

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<v Speaker 2>definitely a surreal moment for us. And like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>this happened on our first night of what was supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be a seven day trip, and we ended up

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<v Speaker 2>packing our backs and we had left we left that day,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the next day, as soon as it was

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<v Speaker 2>bright enough for us to pack off our gear. We

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<v Speaker 2>were out. Then, uh as me and my one buddy,

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<v Speaker 2>h my marine buddy that was with us, had finished

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<v Speaker 2>packing up first, we decided it's bright enough, we knew

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<v Speaker 2>they ran off, We're gonna go see if we could

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<v Speaker 2>figure out what was going on. And we walked off

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<v Speaker 2>into the tree line, probably fifteen twenty yards into the

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<v Speaker 2>tree line, and we could see where they were circling

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<v Speaker 2>circling around us. All the brush was you know, broken

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<v Speaker 2>out into a path, all the all the leaf litter

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<v Speaker 2>was beaten down. And I had ended up coming across

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<v Speaker 2>a a print that looked human, you know, if you

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<v Speaker 2>were barefoot, but it would have a distinct lack of

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<v Speaker 2>a foot arch. And I mean, I don't claim to

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<v Speaker 2>be any you know, master tracker or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I know what a human footprint looks like in

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<v Speaker 2>the mutter and the sand. Whenever you look at it,

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<v Speaker 2>you can tell which which foot it is pretty simply

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<v Speaker 2>by the toes and again by the arch, because there

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<v Speaker 2>was a hally spot in that footprint, and this one

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have it. It looked more you know, flat footed.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was no bigger than mine, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>and stepped there in that same mudd, it wasn't any

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<v Speaker 2>longer than mine. It was a little bit wider, but uh,

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<v Speaker 2>the impression that it made was a lot deeper, which

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<v Speaker 2>pretty simply put that just goes to tell you that

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<v Speaker 2>whatever was out there and made that print was a

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<v Speaker 2>lot heavier than I was now at the time. I

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<v Speaker 2>was between one hundred and eighty and one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>ninety pounds, so whatever it made that print had to

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<v Speaker 2>be at least two to fifty if not more. But

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<v Speaker 2>it had the same footprint, you know, length that I had,

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<v Speaker 2>and I guess it should put in and for a

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<v Speaker 2>reference that I wear a size eleven, so I have

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<v Speaker 2>a fairly large foot But you know, it was after

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<v Speaker 2>we had found that we had regrouped with the rest

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<v Speaker 2>packing up and we went straight back to our cars

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<v Speaker 2>and we had left. We weren't staying there another night.

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<v Speaker 1>That is some really interesting stuff that happened to you, guys, Jim.

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<v Speaker 1>And how how far out would you approximate mile wise you.

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<v Speaker 2>Were well from where we had left to where we

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<v Speaker 2>four to five miles. We weren't trying to set the

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<v Speaker 2>world on fire, you know, or make any land speed

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<v Speaker 2>records there. We were taking our time and it was

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<v Speaker 2>rough terrain, but I have you know, every one of

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<v Speaker 2>us were in fairly good shape. I mean three of

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<v Speaker 2>us were military. No myself, but three of us were

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<v Speaker 2>military that were there. So we were all in pretty

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<v Speaker 2>good shape, and I would imagine that we made at

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<v Speaker 1>Gotcha, did you notice anything weird around the spot where

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<v Speaker 1>you were camping when it comes to like trees being

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<v Speaker 1>like tree arches, or trees broken, or maybe X marks,

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<v Speaker 1>anything weird, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I didn't notice it, But I mean at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, I wasn't really looking forward either on our

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be upfront and tell you, I mean I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a believer in bigfoot until that happened, you know, because

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<v Speaker 2>that was the only thing that I could logically think

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<v Speaker 2>of that could potentially have done that to us, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And actually coming back to the Reddit post, I had

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of comments on there, and the one guy

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<v Speaker 2>had asked me, and I was like that if I

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<v Speaker 2>thought that they could be potentially juvenile, you know, especially

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<v Speaker 2>because speaking about the fact of finding that footprint being

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<v Speaker 2>close to the size of mine, you know, and it

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<v Speaker 2>would make sense, you know, especially if you take into

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<v Speaker 2>account how sensational some of these sightings can be. With

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<v Speaker 2>eight and nine foot monsters out there in the woods,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, something that big is not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>afraid of a human, you know, but if it's young,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be smaller, and they could have been

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they could have been closer to our size. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And and the thing is, well, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>witnesses will say the way that you were getting messed with,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people will say, well, that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like, well maybe it was a juvenile type thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is kind of conjecture and you know, guessing,

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<v Speaker 1>but a lot of people do bring that up. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, who knows what they were trying to do

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<v Speaker 1>when they were, you know, trying to hit you in

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<v Speaker 1>the back where they're trying to get your attention or

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<v Speaker 1>just mess with you. You know, we don't know. But

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<v Speaker 1>were there any sounds around in the forest during that time, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>There were no other animal sounds, okay, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>there wasn't any crickets, there wasn't owls, there wasn't bats.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't even hear any coyotes. Which I've been up

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<v Speaker 2>to Elk forst before. I would go up there trout fishing,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, more towards Wharton. But we would go trout

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<v Speaker 2>fishing up there all the time. And at night you

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<v Speaker 2>would hear coyotes all day, you know all you know,

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<v Speaker 2>all night long. It was. They're just so plentiful up there.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't hear not a one. Oh and aside from

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<v Speaker 2>you know, crashing through bushes and all that as they

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<v Speaker 2>were circling around us, I couldn't really tell if they

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<v Speaker 2>were they were making any kind of a noise or communication.

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<v Speaker 2>They were being so loud crashing around through the woods

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<v Speaker 2>that I couldn't couldn't tell you if they were.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotcha, were there any weird smells around that time that

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<v Speaker 1>you noticed?

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<v Speaker 2>It's not really uh on the way, like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>it was getting into fall, So I mean you have

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<v Speaker 2>that smell of you know, damp forest and the cave

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<v Speaker 2>of like leaves and all that. You know that like

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<v Speaker 2>roll like it's the best way to put it on it,

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<v Speaker 2>like dirty smell, Like it smells like dirt, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean, like whenever those leaves get real wet

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<v Speaker 2>that are just laying around and but like in the

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<v Speaker 2>actual event, not really, I mean we had a campfire going.

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<v Speaker 2>So but I mean, you just gotta understand this is

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<v Speaker 2>this happened coming up on seven years ago, when this

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<v Speaker 2>had happened to me, Uh, but no, I mean, not

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<v Speaker 2>to my recollection, I wouldn't say that there was any

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<v Speaker 2>kind of out of place smells. I'll put it that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, you know, when you during the time around the

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<v Speaker 1>campfire that night, or I guess you know, through the night,

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<v Speaker 1>did anyone in the group have any weird physical things

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<v Speaker 1>happened to them that they weren't able to explain?

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<v Speaker 2>No, okay, No, we were all pretty much fine. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>aside from a few bruises from some of the rocks.

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<v Speaker 2>They were thrown a little bit harder than they were originally.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we were all completely physically fine on the

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<v Speaker 2>way back out, and during that you know, more broken

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<v Speaker 2>pride kind of thing than anything else, because I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, there were six grown men out there,

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<v Speaker 2>and we've all been in the woods at least ten

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<v Speaker 2>years between you know, each of us, and here we

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<v Speaker 2>are running away.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, I mean, and you said a few of those

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<v Speaker 1>individuals were had a military background as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, one of them was Air Force and two of

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<v Speaker 2>them were are well actively still Marine Corps.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, well that is very very interesting. After you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>so you left the next day and you went to

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<v Speaker 1>you know, your different homes, did anything did anyone have

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<v Speaker 1>anything out of the ordinary happen, anything unexplained or weird

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<v Speaker 1>happen after that?

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<v Speaker 2>Not today, it's told me. We have talked about the

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<v Speaker 2>situation before, because we still go camping together today. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you know to this day. We go every year at

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<v Speaker 2>least a few times together. Sometimes we go with just

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<v Speaker 2>the guys, and I mean most of us have kids

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<v Speaker 2>now and everyone we at least make it a point

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<v Speaker 2>to go together at least one time every year with

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<v Speaker 2>our kids. We don't go back up the forest. We

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<v Speaker 2>are usually go to Allegaty National Forest now up past

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<v Speaker 2>East Hickory. That's about the same distance time wise from

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<v Speaker 2>where we live. Like I said, we live down near Pittsburgh,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's in a different section of the state.

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<v Speaker 1>That's interesting because I mean, Algaining National Forces is definitely

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<v Speaker 1>known for a lot of big food activity. That's where

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of researchers will go to check things out.

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<v Speaker 1>But nothing happened during your time in that area.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, nothing that I would say that was out of

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<v Speaker 2>the ordinary. I mean, we've come across black bears before,

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<v Speaker 2>We've had coyotes come in to camp in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the night, and stuff like that. But nothing that

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't say, that wouldn't be expected to be seen,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, like, actually, you know wildlife

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<v Speaker 2>that you would expect to see there.

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<v Speaker 1>How did this affect you personally after you had this

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<v Speaker 1>happened that night?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, So, like I said, I wasn't a big foot

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<v Speaker 2>believer beforehand, you know what I mean, I wasn't even

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<v Speaker 2>a thought that had crossed my mind, Like, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a cool story, but I mean it's not, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>something I think is real because I hadn't seen it

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<v Speaker 2>or I hadn't experienced anything like that, you know. And afterward,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I kind of leaned into it pretty heavy

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<v Speaker 2>about you know, wanting to learn more about it and

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<v Speaker 2>hearing you know, first hand accounts of what it was

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<v Speaker 2>like to see if mine was out of the ordinary

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<v Speaker 2>in any way. But I mean, it hasn't stopped me

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<v Speaker 2>from going hunting, and it hasn't stopped me from you know,

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<v Speaker 2>going camping. I tend to stick a little bit closer

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<v Speaker 2>to the campsites nowadays, though I am getting older. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>thirty one, I'll be thirty two this year. But uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't think that it has affected me

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<v Speaker 2>so much because I've been up back up to Elk

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<v Speaker 2>forcet before, you know, since then, and I have camped

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<v Speaker 2>up there since then. But that's particular experience that was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like one of those instincts like I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>welcome here, I'm going to leave kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you went back to Elk State Forest, did

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<v Speaker 1>you go to the same spot again or was it

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<v Speaker 1>a different campsite that you were staying in.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we had not gone back to that same campsite. No,

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<v Speaker 2>And like I said, we were off trail. It'd be

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<v Speaker 2>hard to find her again. I'm sure we could if

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<v Speaker 2>we absolutely had to, but we had just picked a

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<v Speaker 2>direction from where we had parked and we had went,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's pretty rugged train up there, and I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>again seven years ago. Could change change the layout a

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<v Speaker 2>lot between now and then, and I probably could find

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<v Speaker 2>the general area of where we were at. But I've

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<v Speaker 2>never been back there personally, and I've never gone that

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<v Speaker 2>deep back into those woods ever. Again.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, do you when you're in that area, do you

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<v Speaker 1>ever go out by yourself or you usually in a group.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been out there as the only adult. I've taken

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<v Speaker 2>my daughter fishing up there before, right along East Fork Road,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a creek that runs along East Fork Road.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great spot for trout fishing. And I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>there's gonna be plenty of people that are gonna upset

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm giving that out. But I've taken my daughter

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<v Speaker 2>up there to go fishing before. I've camped up there

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of times with me or you know, with

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of my buddies before, but I've never never

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<v Speaker 2>once camped there by myself before, and I don't plan

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, I might be a little cautious to do

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<v Speaker 1>that as well, going off of what you guys experienced.

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<v Speaker 1>So after you got home, was this a thing where

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<v Speaker 1>you had shared what happened right away with the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of your family or did you hold on to it

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<v Speaker 1>for a while to kind of work things through in

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<v Speaker 1>your head?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean I I have I had. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>told my wife, she was wondering why I was home

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<v Speaker 2>six days early. I told her why and she she

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much laughed at me, which I expected, and the

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<v Speaker 2>only first thing that I told in any expedients. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think about a week or two later I had

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<v Speaker 2>told my father about it, and he had never now,

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<v Speaker 2>he has never been in that particular uh forced forward

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<v Speaker 2>to my knowledge, you may have at some point in

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<v Speaker 2>his life, but I had never been up there with him,

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<v Speaker 2>but he kind of brushed it off, and he had

420
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<v Speaker 2>told me that he was one of the he's one

421
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<v Speaker 2>of them people that I've spent so much time in

422
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:02.119
<v Speaker 2>the woods, I would have seen something by now and

423
00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:04.519
<v Speaker 2>never have kind of guys, it's pretty much how he

424
00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:11.039
<v Speaker 2>answered back that, you know, And I mean I would

425
00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:13.160
<v Speaker 2>assume that's why I was the way I was about

426
00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:15.480
<v Speaker 2>it too, because you know, I'm not gonna believe it

427
00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:18.440
<v Speaker 2>till I experience it. Yeah.

428
00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, have you ever done any research to see if

429
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:28.240
<v Speaker 1>there's been similar experiences that have happened in that state forest?

430
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:34.200
<v Speaker 2>Never in particular to that, but just going based off

431
00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:38.359
<v Speaker 2>of the way that because I have and like you said,

432
00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:42.240
<v Speaker 2>whenever when we were talking about again Aligay National, we

433
00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:46.039
<v Speaker 2>were talking about how there's plenty of sightings up there

434
00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:52.119
<v Speaker 2>and the amount of sightings that are in PA and

435
00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:54.480
<v Speaker 2>and all that. It doesn't surprise it wouldn't surprise me

436
00:27:54.519 --> 00:27:57.839
<v Speaker 2>if there have been more sightings or experiences like I

437
00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:01.359
<v Speaker 2>had had up there, But I never did any particular

438
00:28:01.400 --> 00:28:07.559
<v Speaker 2>research in that specific area afterward. But I have definitely

439
00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:11.119
<v Speaker 2>done research on sightings and experiences here in PA since then.

440
00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:17.279
<v Speaker 1>Gotcha? And especially you said you're from southwest Pennsylvania.

441
00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:20.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I live north of Pittsburgh.

442
00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:23.319
<v Speaker 1>Okay, north of Pittsburgh. I mean you're aware that even

443
00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:27.119
<v Speaker 1>down there, I guess more, you know, south of Pittsburgh,

444
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:29.839
<v Speaker 1>there's some weird stuff that happens down in that area

445
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:30.319
<v Speaker 1>as well.

446
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.799
<v Speaker 2>Oh. Absolutely, you get down into Washington County and even

447
00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:37.559
<v Speaker 2>lower in places like Beaver and everything else down there

448
00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:40.880
<v Speaker 2>down near West Virginia, I would imagine that. Yeah, there

449
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:43.759
<v Speaker 2>would be a bunch because it's there's a lot of unclaimed,

450
00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:46.559
<v Speaker 2>untouched forest out down there, a lot of old growth

451
00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:49.759
<v Speaker 2>forces where pretty much anything you can imagine with little

452
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:56.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm sure, But no, what am I gonna

453
00:28:56.359 --> 00:29:00.160
<v Speaker 2>try to say here? It's gone? I've lost it.

454
00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:03.839
<v Speaker 1>Sounds like it's a thing where you're interested in the subject,

455
00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:07.680
<v Speaker 1>but you are maybe not going out and actively seeking

456
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:09.160
<v Speaker 1>it in the woods.

457
00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:12.559
<v Speaker 2>No, I would actually prefer to not have another experience

458
00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:13.920
<v Speaker 2>like that, But I'm not going to let it control

459
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:15.000
<v Speaker 2>my life if it doesn't help.

460
00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:20.599
<v Speaker 1>Okay, gotcha, gotcha? Do you think that's Uh, that's the

461
00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:26.960
<v Speaker 1>same way your buddies are are feeling about that as well,

462
00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:29.960
<v Speaker 1>or or did it make any of them not go

463
00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:31.519
<v Speaker 1>in the woods again after that?

464
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:35.680
<v Speaker 2>No, No, every one of that whole group, that group

465
00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:38.039
<v Speaker 2>of six of us, we like I said, we regularly

466
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:41.480
<v Speaker 2>go camping together. Okay, so we still know it to

467
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:44.240
<v Speaker 2>this day. It hasn't deterred us from going hunting or

468
00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:47.839
<v Speaker 2>camping or fishing or anything like that, you know, at all.

469
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:51.240
<v Speaker 2>But there are certain places we just we will not go.

470
00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:56.359
<v Speaker 2>And and I'm sure, like I said, like we we

471
00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:03.400
<v Speaker 2>go to alligating National Forest mostly now, and until I'm

472
00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:06.400
<v Speaker 2>giving a reason not to, I'm going to continue going.

473
00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, It's just it's that's that's a really

474
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:19.240
<v Speaker 1>really weird situation. I think the weirdest thing is that

475
00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:25.200
<v Speaker 1>it definitely was not anyone messing with you guys, because

476
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:29.359
<v Speaker 1>you were i mean five six miles off the trail

477
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:34.039
<v Speaker 1>just in the woods. No one was out there messing

478
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:37.359
<v Speaker 1>with you. There are no lights, that's just right.

479
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:40.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, Plus, I mean, like I said, I

480
00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:43.440
<v Speaker 2>don't know any man that's going to be able to

481
00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:47.279
<v Speaker 2>keep his cool under the pressure of knowing that there's

482
00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:51.119
<v Speaker 2>six guys just within you know, twenty thirty yards of

483
00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:54.200
<v Speaker 2>you that that have firearms. Every one of us were armed,

484
00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:57.359
<v Speaker 2>you know. I mean, I don't know anybody. It's not

485
00:30:57.400 --> 00:31:00.559
<v Speaker 2>going to be like hey, sorry, I was just with you.

486
00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:04.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know anyway that I wouldn't wouldn't make themselves

487
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:05.000
<v Speaker 2>known at that point.

488
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:11.480
<v Speaker 1>Is there anything that you would have done differently that

489
00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:15.000
<v Speaker 1>night if you could go back and do things over.

490
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:22.759
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, not really. I think that we made a fairly

491
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:25.960
<v Speaker 2>good decision because we had all stayed together, you know,

492
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:30.920
<v Speaker 2>and none of us had straight away at any point.

493
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:36.000
<v Speaker 2>But I don't know if that was out of like

494
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:39.480
<v Speaker 2>some kind of us being smarter, if it was just

495
00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:42.079
<v Speaker 2>sheer instinct of the whole strength and numbers kind of thing.

496
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:47.279
<v Speaker 2>But you know, I don't think that I would have

497
00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:49.480
<v Speaker 2>personally done anything different. I can't speak for a way

498
00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:53.160
<v Speaker 2>my friends may have acted. You know, you never know

499
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:56.480
<v Speaker 2>what a marine will do whenever he gets busy. But

500
00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:01.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't well, I don't think I think

501
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:03.440
<v Speaker 2>that we were all smart enough to be like, yeah,

502
00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:08.640
<v Speaker 2>it's probably just the best to let them stay over there,

503
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:11.279
<v Speaker 2>let us stay here where we can see because I,

504
00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:14.599
<v Speaker 2>like you said, like I said, before that they had

505
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:17.599
<v Speaker 2>walked up on us. And granted, whenever they had come

506
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:20.599
<v Speaker 2>upon us, we were carrying on having a good time.

507
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:24.279
<v Speaker 2>We weren't being quiet, so they could have very well

508
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:26.400
<v Speaker 2>come up on us, being just as loud as they were.

509
00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Whenever they had, you know, whatever, we had all stood

510
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:34.079
<v Speaker 2>up and they had started crashing through through the brush

511
00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:37.480
<v Speaker 2>and everything. You know, we wouldn't have heard them. But

512
00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:40.839
<v Speaker 2>they walked up on us with no lights, because we

513
00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:43.640
<v Speaker 2>would have seen them, you know. And you said you

514
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:46.400
<v Speaker 2>were a hiker on the Appalachian Trail before. You know

515
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:48.079
<v Speaker 2>how dark it gets out in the out in the

516
00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:50.960
<v Speaker 2>woods and in the mountains at night. It's the different

517
00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:53.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of dark. You can't see your hand in front

518
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:56.799
<v Speaker 2>of your face. You're not making it through as thick

519
00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:00.279
<v Speaker 2>of woods as we were in with a rough train

520
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:03.200
<v Speaker 2>as we were in without a light without falling on

521
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:05.599
<v Speaker 2>your face at least a dozen times. She's just not

522
00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:06.119
<v Speaker 2>going to happen.

523
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:09.559
<v Speaker 1>I know that you said this happened what about six

524
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:10.319
<v Speaker 1>seven years.

525
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:13.119
<v Speaker 2>Ago, coming up on seven years this fall.

526
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:18.039
<v Speaker 1>Do you happen to remember what was what you guys

527
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:22.960
<v Speaker 1>had for supper that night at the campsite?

528
00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's a great question. I would imagine, I know

529
00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:34.720
<v Speaker 2>what I had made coffee because I know that what

530
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:41.160
<v Speaker 2>my friends are. I had made myself instant coffee because

531
00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:42.799
<v Speaker 2>I was not going to be able to take up

532
00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:48.200
<v Speaker 2>with the rest of them without it. I want to

533
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:52.680
<v Speaker 2>say that we probably had made burgers. We usually eat

534
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:54.359
<v Speaker 2>pretty good on our first name when we go out

535
00:33:54.359 --> 00:34:01.319
<v Speaker 2>for multiple nights, right, But and I want to say

536
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:04.519
<v Speaker 2>probably potatoes is usually our first night thing. It's almost

537
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:05.000
<v Speaker 2>a ritual.

538
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, gotcha, got you that's pretty solid. Just uh, I

539
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:14.760
<v Speaker 1>always check for for certain patterns. Uh. A pattern I've

540
00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:21.159
<v Speaker 1>noticed is that a lot of a lot of people

541
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:27.440
<v Speaker 1>will say they were cooking bacon or they were It's

542
00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:33.599
<v Speaker 1>usually bacon. Yeah, it's usually bacon, which is weird. I

543
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:38.920
<v Speaker 1>mean smells delicious. You know, I can't blame with right.

544
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:44.440
<v Speaker 2>But reasons for that. Yeah, so not not to go

545
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:48.519
<v Speaker 2>down a dark path here, but the serial killers that

546
00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:53.199
<v Speaker 2>were cannibals, they say that human flesh tastes like bake,

547
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:56.000
<v Speaker 2>like like pork. It's a little unsettling.

548
00:34:56.119 --> 00:35:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Thanks, that's weird. I mean that's the I had just

549
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:02.719
<v Speaker 1>had Campbells.

550
00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:05.280
<v Speaker 2>Come up something about it.

551
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:08.599
<v Speaker 1>Hey, Well, I mean I had no idea but it's

552
00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:17.199
<v Speaker 1>good to know. I guess that's wild wild stuff. Yeah,

553
00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:21.400
<v Speaker 1>if you're down in the I don't know how far

554
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:24.119
<v Speaker 1>away this would be for me. If you're wanting to

555
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:30.039
<v Speaker 1>go to an area that has bigfoot activity, it doesn't

556
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:34.320
<v Speaker 1>really sound like you care either way. But Forbes State

557
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:36.639
<v Speaker 1>Forest down there, I don't know if you've heard of

558
00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:40.960
<v Speaker 1>that area or the Laurel Ridge that area. That area

559
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:44.320
<v Speaker 1>is extremely active, so it might be a place you

560
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:47.480
<v Speaker 1>might not want to go to. Actually, but that.

561
00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:53.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm I'm I'm not one to go out

562
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:56.280
<v Speaker 2>looking for for trouble. Acted that more than enough when

563
00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:59.440
<v Speaker 2>I was a teenager, and I'm growing smart enough not

564
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:03.000
<v Speaker 2>to want to do that. But I'm not, like I said,

565
00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:04.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm still not scared to go into the woods and

566
00:36:04.599 --> 00:36:07.760
<v Speaker 2>go hunting and camping and all that. And until like

567
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:11.920
<v Speaker 2>I said, Alligay National National Forest. We go there all

568
00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:15.679
<v Speaker 2>the time, and apparently it's a pretty big watchpot for

569
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:19.000
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot activity. It is, and I will continue to go

570
00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:22.280
<v Speaker 2>there and till I find a reason not to, you know,

571
00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:24.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it won't. It doesn't bother me going out

572
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:26.480
<v Speaker 2>and into the woods and going to have a good time,

573
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.840
<v Speaker 2>and I will I will no matter where it's at

574
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:35.039
<v Speaker 2>until I get given that reason to stay away from it.

575
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Just a few more questions, just in case you remember

576
00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:49.000
<v Speaker 1>some specific details about the footprints that you saw. Do

577
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:53.719
<v Speaker 1>were you able to see toes in those footprints toe indentations.

578
00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:57.559
<v Speaker 2>I could see the first fore toes coming from the

579
00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:02.000
<v Speaker 2>inside to the outside very clearly, generally, not really, I

580
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:05.639
<v Speaker 2>couldn't see, uh. Like I said before, it had a

581
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:08.559
<v Speaker 2>distinct lack of an arch like a human footprint wood.

582
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:12.159
<v Speaker 2>It was very very flat footed, but it had the

583
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:16.119
<v Speaker 2>general idea of the same shape, you know, tapered from

584
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:22.639
<v Speaker 2>the back, tapered at the back. There was a distinction

585
00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:28.519
<v Speaker 2>between you know, there was a clear uh, how do

586
00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:31.440
<v Speaker 2>I home home? How should I explain this? There was

587
00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:35.679
<v Speaker 2>a clear distinction between the main pad of the foot

588
00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:39.599
<v Speaker 2>and the toes. You know, there was a distance there,

589
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:42.039
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, where it had not been

590
00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:47.559
<v Speaker 2>pressed in so far you could tell, like I said,

591
00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:49.880
<v Speaker 2>it was pressed in deep, a lot deeper than I

592
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:52.639
<v Speaker 2>would have been able to unless maybe I jumped and

593
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:55.920
<v Speaker 2>jumped into that and like jumped down into it too,

594
00:37:56.360 --> 00:37:59.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, so I would have, like I said, I

595
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:01.440
<v Speaker 2>would have assumed that whatever had made that print was

596
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:03.480
<v Speaker 2>a fair bit heavier than myself.

597
00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:08.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, And was it just one print that you

598
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:11.800
<v Speaker 1>had seen or where there multiple prints?

599
00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:18.400
<v Speaker 2>We did find a couple that were fairly good. There

600
00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:21.559
<v Speaker 2>was a couple that were more partial than anything. But

601
00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:29.079
<v Speaker 2>most of the ground was covered in dead leaves and

602
00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:33.559
<v Speaker 2>all that where it was rocky, So being able to

603
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:36.039
<v Speaker 2>find any was pretty much a miracle at that point.

604
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:37.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, there was just a couple of spots where

605
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:40.119
<v Speaker 2>the ground was soft enough or there was mud that

606
00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:41.599
<v Speaker 2>we were actually able to find anything.

607
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:46.480
<v Speaker 1>That makes sense if you were able to follow the

608
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:51.519
<v Speaker 1>tracks for a while, what did what did the path

609
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:52.719
<v Speaker 1>of the tracks look like?

610
00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:59.039
<v Speaker 2>So the ring that they had ran around us for

611
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:01.000
<v Speaker 2>at least a couple of hours, a couple three four

612
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:06.400
<v Speaker 2>hours before the daylight started to come, it was wider

613
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:12.800
<v Speaker 2>than your average person, you know, And I mean with

614
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:15.199
<v Speaker 2>them circling there for as long as they did, that's

615
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:20.000
<v Speaker 2>not really surprising. But it was wide enough to where

616
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:25.400
<v Speaker 2>I could stand broad and my buddy that was on

617
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:28.519
<v Speaker 2>that that ring with us, he could stand next to

618
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:33.639
<v Speaker 2>me without touching, without either was touching, you know, either

619
00:39:33.679 --> 00:39:36.559
<v Speaker 2>side of that that brush that they have broken down, now,

620
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:38.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't mean both of the us like shoulder, but

621
00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:40.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, shoulder to shoulder. He like, if he would

622
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:43.239
<v Speaker 2>have been facing me and I would have been standing broad,

623
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:46.280
<v Speaker 2>we would have been able to fit completely. Fine, So

624
00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:47.920
<v Speaker 2>about a man and a half.

625
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Wide, gotcha? In the how let's say you're looking at

626
00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:59.840
<v Speaker 1>one track, and then you're looking at the track U

627
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:02.960
<v Speaker 1>next in line, and then then one next in line.

628
00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:06.599
<v Speaker 1>How far apart were the tracks usually?

629
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:12.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that would be an estimate. I don't know, uh,

630
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<v Speaker 2>like I said it would. There weren't very many tracks

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<v Speaker 2>that especially not in succession, that we could see, gotcha,

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<v Speaker 2>But I had to guess, I mean just going based

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<v Speaker 2>on you know, human proportions. You know, I wouldn't say

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<v Speaker 2>that they that they would Their stride would have been

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<v Speaker 2>much more than us. But again, they had circled and

636
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<v Speaker 2>circled and circled us for hours, so they would have

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<v Speaker 2>been stepping over each over each one multiple times, aside

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<v Speaker 2>from the ones that were closer where they had probably

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<v Speaker 2>stopped to throw something at us, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, m it'll be interesting to see, uh you know,

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<v Speaker 1>once I put this up to see if there's other

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<v Speaker 1>people that have had things happen in the same area.

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<v Speaker 1>That's usually how it works with these There'll be people

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<v Speaker 1>that reach out and they'll say, oh, yeah, I've been

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<v Speaker 1>in state forest stuff has happened, so that will be

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<v Speaker 1>that will be interesting. Do you ever have any desire

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<v Speaker 1>to to have a visual sighting of one or really

648
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<v Speaker 1>it's just you're kind of going along your business and

649
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<v Speaker 1>still trying to go out and camp.

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<v Speaker 2>In the woods. I would have loved to have been

651
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<v Speaker 2>able to actually have seen something the way at least

652
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<v Speaker 2>I knew I could put a face to whatever it was,

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<v Speaker 2>But it just I didn't get that opportunity. But like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I'm I'm not going to go out there

655
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<v Speaker 2>and actively, you know, look for that. You know, if

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<v Speaker 2>it happens, it happens kind of thing, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. Yet it's just something where you know, I haven't

658
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<v Speaker 1>even had that happen myself yet, and I'm not sure. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I've talked to any of people where they

660
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<v Speaker 1>have to happen and it affects them, But to have

661
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<v Speaker 1>that happen to yourself is a different story in it's

662
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<v Speaker 1>just it's a totally different story. But Jim, I just

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<v Speaker 1>want to say thank you for coming on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>To share what you and your your buddies experienced that

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<v Speaker 1>night out in the Elk State Forest. It's a new

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<v Speaker 1>area for us to look into for Pennsylvania, and I

667
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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you coming on. I do want to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that you were able to share everything that you had

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<v Speaker 1>come on the show to share it tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh. Yeah, pretty much without actually seeing anything. There's not

671
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<v Speaker 2>really much more to put into it. It was just

672
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<v Speaker 2>you know, explaining experience, you know, because that's essentially all

673
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<v Speaker 2>it was. You know, we didn't none of us had

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<v Speaker 2>seen anything, and none of my friends that had had

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<v Speaker 2>it told me since then that they had heard anything

676
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<v Speaker 2>or it'd seen anything. And I would just assume that,

677
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<v Speaker 2>like myself, we didn't see it. You know, we had

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<v Speaker 2>not seen anything, but there was undoubtedly something out there

679
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<v Speaker 2>with us, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, no doubt about it. And you know, I would

681
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<v Speaker 1>say if anything ever happens when you guys are out

682
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<v Speaker 1>in the Allegheny National Forest, definitely feel free to reach out.

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<v Speaker 1>There's been you know, sightings in that area, there have

684
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<v Speaker 1>been people that have been affected by infrasound in that area.

685
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<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot of interesting reports that happened over

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<v Speaker 1>the years.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll have to look into it. Uh, but yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>know absolutely. If I ever have another experience or even

689
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<v Speaker 2>with one of my friends, do I'll have them reach

690
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<v Speaker 2>out to you. But yeah, no, if anything happens to me,

691
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<v Speaker 2>Bricks and I will make sure I'll let you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Fantastic. Well, thanks for chatting tonight, Jim. I do appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to take a minute to say thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for listening to this episode of The big Foot

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<v Speaker 1>Society podcast. Gym's encounter is the kind that linkers, not

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<v Speaker 1>because of what he saw, but because of what he

698
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<v Speaker 1>couldn't see. The silence, the rocks, the circling, the moment

699
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<v Speaker 1>that he realized that something was watching and it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>care if he was armed or not. So huge thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to Jim for coming on and sharing such a raw

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<v Speaker 1>personal story. These moments remind us why we listen and

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<v Speaker 1>why some trails are better left on trodden. If you

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