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Speaker 2: All right, let's get it started. Derby Week. In fact,
Speaker 2: it is sunny as all get out right now here
Speaker 2: in downtown Louisville, and it's eighty two degrees, which it's warm,
Speaker 2: but that's better than rain. And unfortunately, well, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean to be great in a perfect world if
Speaker 2: we could get a beautiful week, because Derby of course
Speaker 2: is a season, and then you have Derby Week and
Speaker 2: then you've got you know, Derby Day. But right now,
Speaker 2: as I look at the forecast for the rest of
Speaker 2: the day or the rest of the week, I should say,
Speaker 2: we have, you know, today is perfect. If we could
Speaker 2: get today every day, that would be great. But let's
Speaker 2: be a little realistic here. Tomorrow, Wednesday as well as
Speaker 2: Thursday gonna be warm, but gonna be gonna be rainy
Speaker 2: according to you know, the forecast. But Friday and Saturday
Speaker 2: look great. We're talking mid to high sixties sunshine with
Speaker 2: some clouds. So if that holds up, I'd say we
Speaker 2: should be pretty grateful from other nature looking out for us.
Speaker 2: But again, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, if it rains all day,
Speaker 2: that's not exactly ideal. But the scenario where we ever
Speaker 2: have a week where it's just pleasant, sometimes great, but
Speaker 2: like never rainy or anything like that, like, that's just
Speaker 2: not a real that's fantasy land, right, Like, I'm not
Speaker 2: sure that's ever. I'm sure it has happened before, but
Speaker 2: I can't remember a time where we had a week
Speaker 2: that was just nice and we didn't have to worry
Speaker 2: about rain. Now, I don't know if there's any week
Speaker 2: throughout this time of the year where we can get that,
Speaker 2: because you know, obviously in the spring it rains. But
Speaker 2: as of now, it looks good for Friday and Saturday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
Speaker 2: Thursday not so much. All right, let's get it started again.
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Speaker 2: My name is Nick Coffee. I hope you knew that.
Speaker 2: Boston Montgomery alongside today the travel chief, and this is
Speaker 2: our time to shine. We are the horse racing guys, right,
Speaker 2: act like just just just you know, let's just act
Speaker 2: like that because I'm convinced a lot of folks, you know,
Speaker 2: just kind of hope nobody notices that they're just saying
Speaker 2: like big buzzwords when it comes to horse racing, you know,
Speaker 2: knowledge the sport, that kind of stuff. So I learned
Speaker 2: long ago that I'm not good at faking it, So
Speaker 2: I just I'm transparent. This will be me giving you
Speaker 2: my you know, I'm sure you'll hear me say it
Speaker 2: than just now. But I don't know anything about horse racing.
Speaker 2: Probably should, it would probably help me this week. But
Speaker 2: I've always argued that, yes, we have the biggest event
Speaker 2: in sports when it comes to horse racing, the Kentucky Derby.
Speaker 2: It's an awesome thing and I love that it's our event.
Speaker 2: I think there are cities across the country, really, I
Speaker 2: guess probably cities across the world that really they've got
Speaker 2: something they know that they're known for and they you know,
Speaker 2: it's their time to shine and they embrace it. They
Speaker 2: love it. They welcome those that come to their hometown,
Speaker 2: or maybe not their hometown but where they live to
Speaker 2: you know, experience something that's special. And the Kentucky Derby
Speaker 2: is certainly that. But I just you know, I I
Speaker 2: learned long ago that horse racing is not something I'm
Speaker 2: probably ever going to be interested in other than you know,
Speaker 2: when it comes to the actual Derby. But it is exciting.
Speaker 2: You know. Today it was the first day for me
Speaker 2: where it felt like, okay, here we go, like Derby
Speaker 2: time is here. I've been talking about the last few weeks.
Speaker 2: It just kind of didn't really feel like Derby season
Speaker 2: was upon us. Maybe it's because of, you know, the
Speaker 2: distraction we have with the awful flooding and we had
Speaker 2: a tornado too, Let's be real, it wasn't like we
Speaker 2: you know, we've had some pretty brutal weather. But again,
Speaker 2: it's Derby week and that is exciting. Can you name
Speaker 2: any of the horses in the field, Austin, Yes, Okay,
Speaker 2: I like a few of them. That's right up.
Speaker 1: What am I?
Speaker 2: What am I doing? You you went to the Derby.
Speaker 2: The Derby preview we had on Aney, you're the expert.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you reminded of me that because I'm I'm
Speaker 2: gonna have to lean on you. I got it.
Speaker 3: I got not everything you need, because you got everything
Speaker 3: I need.
Speaker 2: Baby, I got everything that you need.
Speaker 3: When myself though, when it comes to horse race, and
Speaker 3: I do enjoy it, like my my father is always
Speaker 3: big at Actually the Kirkster was at the track while
Speaker 3: yours truly was being born. He had to be called
Speaker 3: over to the hospital because yeah he was. He was
Speaker 3: at the betting windows especially a great story. That fantastic,
Speaker 3: But like when it comes to like knowing like the
Speaker 3: trainers and the jockeys and stuff like that, I really
Speaker 3: don't get it. But I've sort of followed him around
Speaker 3: because there's a lot of times where I'll pop in
Speaker 3: the horse race and betting app eleven o'clock at night,
Speaker 3: betting all around the world, and I'll see some of
Speaker 3: these names and I've seen them before.
Speaker 2: So I'm excited for the Derby, and.
Speaker 3: I know a few. You want me to go ahead
Speaker 3: and tell you my favorite? Should we just go ahead?
Speaker 3: And of course the one that I like and this
Speaker 3: might be just falling into the trap that everybody else
Speaker 3: is setting. But it's a horse named Sandman. I don't
Speaker 3: know if you've heard this story. Yeah, it's a beautiful
Speaker 3: gray horse and it's named after Metallica's inner Sandman. And
Speaker 3: like from as far as I know, like their trainer
Speaker 3: is like a young hot shot and like the Horse
Speaker 3: Training Committee, he's like a social media influencer. He does
Speaker 3: like collaborations, like his training. He gets like millions of views,
Speaker 3: and I think that's not looked upon rightly out of
Speaker 3: the you know, it's the old boys club in horse racing,
Speaker 3: right so they see someone like that coming making a
Speaker 3: little bit noise. That's where he gets his doubters from.
Speaker 3: But I like him. He's a second favorite right now,
Speaker 3: six to one. The other one is journalism. That's your
Speaker 3: overwhelming favorite. It's fresh off one in the Santa I need,
Speaker 3: but Santa I need a Derby. But here's the thing.
Speaker 3: All these all these horses are the best in the world.
Speaker 3: They're Grade A horse winners, like you have to you
Speaker 3: have to win Grade A stakes to be in the derby.
Speaker 3: So it's it's gonna be interesting. But journalism, I don't know,
Speaker 3: do you like that name for horse or something about
Speaker 3: a horse being named journalism that I don't know. I
Speaker 3: like to go off the names too, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean to me it is there a story
Speaker 2: behind it? Because there's I mean, in fact, there's this
Speaker 2: necessarily sure, there's a story behind every every name I
Speaker 2: feel like, and some are really interesting and you know,
Speaker 2: you think, Okay, I would have never guessed that that's
Speaker 2: how you came up with the name, but it makes sense.
Speaker 2: And then there's some that are just you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's not a cool story. We just decided to name
Speaker 2: it that because of something, you know, something random, or hey,
Speaker 2: my kid really liked the name. We let we let
Speaker 2: my son or my daughter pick it out. But Jason
Speaker 2: Frakes does a really good job of helping I mean,
Speaker 2: he's he's kind of a Swiss Army knife for the
Speaker 2: CG I think here. Lately, in the last I don't know,
Speaker 2: decade or so, he's been known for covering high school
Speaker 2: sports and he does a phenomenal job at that, but
Speaker 2: he also helps out with Kentucky Derby coverage, and each
Speaker 2: year he releases a ride up that has the explanation
Speaker 2: behind every name in the Derby, and like, that's one
Speaker 2: of my favorite things to talk about them. Like, to
Speaker 2: be honest with you, this will really put it in
Speaker 2: perspective sort of my my my comfort zone when it
Speaker 2: comes to talking derby is like that's my favorite thing.
Speaker 2: We do Derby week to kind of lead up to it,
Speaker 2: because you know, I don't have to really know anything
Speaker 2: about horse racing or give you any kind of big
Speaker 2: picks or anything like that when it comes to just
Speaker 2: sharing how each horse got their name, and I think
Speaker 2: that's interesting. So you know, we'll get to that at
Speaker 2: some point later in the week, I'm sure.
Speaker 3: Also, Like the other big storyline is Bob Baffort's back
Speaker 3: in the Derby for the first time in like five years.
Speaker 2: That's the biggest storyline in probably in the sport other
Speaker 2: than just the Derby. Is that Bafford, after that legal
Speaker 2: battle with Churchill downs, he's back and you know you
Speaker 2: can you can never count him out, right, Like he's
Speaker 2: got two horses, that's right. So I don't know if
Speaker 2: I'm going to bet on this, but this is something
Speaker 2: that just you know, you know, I'm a big time,
Speaker 2: you know, nineties country fan. I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people know that if you listen to this show Toby
Speaker 2: Keith mullet Toby Keith in the nineties legendary always been
Speaker 2: a big Toby Keith fan. Obviously, he passed away not
Speaker 2: that long ago, and I didn't know that he had
Speaker 2: any interest or you know, I think he actually I
Speaker 2: don't know the exact story, but he is connected in
Speaker 2: some way to one of the horses in the derby
Speaker 2: this year. Really, Yeah, and it is. Let's see, I
Speaker 2: just had it pulled up here. Where the hell's it at? Well,
Speaker 2: that's what I get for trying to give you a
Speaker 2: name of a horse and now I can't seem to find. Yeah,
Speaker 2: here we go. It is render judgment. Is the horse
Speaker 2: in the derby that he is? Again? I think he
Speaker 2: might be part owner or something, or maybe his estate is.
Speaker 2: So that's one that like, I don't know anything about
Speaker 2: the horse other than what I just shared with you,
Speaker 2: but it's got me at least thinking, Okay, maybe I'm
Speaker 2: gonna pull for that. It looks as if currently thirty
Speaker 2: to one odds, which you know isn't great, but I
Speaker 2: kind of like betting on horses like that because you know,
Speaker 2: you just never know. Yeah, I just feel like to me,
Speaker 2: it's and this is, this is I think puts it
Speaker 2: in perspective sort of kind of where I am when
Speaker 2: it comes to understanding like what I don't even know what?
Speaker 2: Like if I was going to dedicate a certain amount
Speaker 2: of time to you know, studying the field here and
Speaker 2: and figuring out what I wanted to do, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: even know how to do that, right, I wouldn't. There's
Speaker 2: things that you can reference, like things you see in
Speaker 2: the program Ride ups on the Horses, Like I could
Speaker 2: read the experts, but like it's so over my head.
Speaker 2: I just you know, it would be a waste of
Speaker 2: my time. It's a new language. So let's go back
Speaker 2: to Like when I talk about gambling and betting on sports,
Speaker 2: I enjoy betting on football and basketball because those are
Speaker 2: the sports that I at least, you know, tell myself
Speaker 2: that I have some knowledge of, and I keep up
Speaker 2: with I know who's good, who's not, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: So when I do win, and in reality, it's it's
Speaker 2: mostly just luck. I mean, if it wasn't, then you know,
Speaker 2: I think a lot of us would be doing a
Speaker 2: lot better when it comes to the you know, the
Speaker 2: profits we make from from betting on sports. So you
Speaker 2: but when I do win and I put a little
Speaker 2: bit of thought into it, it makes it more enjoyable.
Speaker 2: But I've always believed that winning or losing when it
Speaker 2: comes to gambling in any form or fashion is really
Speaker 2: is really just luck. And I convince myself of that.
Speaker 2: So I can, you know, make sure I never feel like, Okay,
Speaker 2: funds are getting tied at home, kids need diapers, let
Speaker 2: me go to the slot machine, like you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, it's just it's it's it's not worth it, right,
Speaker 2: So anyways, I you know, to me, betting on horse
Speaker 2: racing is just like the slot machine. It's just like
Speaker 2: playing blackjack. Sure, you know, I just to me, it's
Speaker 2: just it's luck. So therefore I just try to find
Speaker 2: a horse that I've got some type of you know,
Speaker 2: interest in, maybe based off the name. But I also
Speaker 2: like betting ones that maybe aren't like the the the
Speaker 2: you know, predicted to finish dead last, but you know,
Speaker 2: kind of somewhere in between, like the twenty thirty to
Speaker 2: one odds, and usually if they win, you know, there's
Speaker 2: there's a little bit more juice there on the on
Speaker 2: the payout for casual sports betters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could totally see where you're coming from from that,
Speaker 3: because there's so much more intricacies to betting, like the
Speaker 3: try in the super effected, because I feel like anybody
Speaker 3: could just pick a winning horse and that's the random
Speaker 3: one that's going to pay you out.
Speaker 2: However, many but.
Speaker 3: People like they they judge their their their speeds and
Speaker 3: their there there. They have stats for this is how many,
Speaker 3: this is how good they look when they race on
Speaker 3: dirt or on a slow track or a fast track,
Speaker 3: and they always have those in the field peg to
Speaker 3: win or to be in force. So there's always a
Speaker 3: trifect or a SuperFect or like your daily double where
Speaker 3: you win like three races in a row or something
Speaker 3: like that. And shout out talk about the Derby betting
Speaker 3: preview thing. I was able to get my about to
Speaker 3: be in laws in there. And they're huge, huge nick
Speaker 3: huge racing fans. Okay, fire all the time. They are
Speaker 3: always they're always at like there's group chats that they
Speaker 3: have with like everybody just talking about it.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a daily grind for them.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you, they were locked in, they had
Speaker 3: they were writing on their programs and by the end
Speaker 3: they were standing up asking questions.
Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah, it was great. So we've got some
Speaker 2: resources here. It sounds like we can utilize to help
Speaker 2: us be a little better. And now again I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna have some fun. I don't want to throw you
Speaker 2: in there with me, because again you you you know
Speaker 2: clearly a little bit more about it than I do.
Speaker 2: In fact, anybody listening probably does.
Speaker 3: All you need to do, Nick, is just bet on
Speaker 3: it once and then you just need to see your
Speaker 3: horse cross the line, and then that's what hooks you.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I've ever been worse at betting on
Speaker 2: anything or doing anything than in horse racing. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: now it's been enjoyable because my son, and I'm curious
Speaker 2: if he's still gonna be as into it. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: take him out to the backside this week and let
Speaker 2: him enjoy it. But like for for reasons, I have
Speaker 2: no clue why my son is obsessed with horse racing.
Speaker 2: And again it's not you know, clearly he didn't get
Speaker 2: it from me, right, but he loves he loves horse racing.
Speaker 2: He doesn't as much now because he's got a little
Speaker 2: bit Well, I'm sure, he still loves it. But when
Speaker 2: he first started to like watch our phones whenever we're
Speaker 2: at dinner, or watch his tablet instead of watching you know,
Speaker 2: cocoa melon or whatever, he's watching old horse races on YouTube.
Speaker 2: And I mean and he he's he loves horse racing
Speaker 2: and he's a born again trainer and he's been to
Speaker 2: he's been to Churchill Downs many times. And we now go,
Speaker 2: you know, we go on Thanksgiving Day. That's kind of
Speaker 2: our family thing now, meaning just the four of us,
Speaker 2: and then we go do family stuff with my parents
Speaker 2: and whatnot. And then we also go on Father's Day,
Speaker 2: and then we'll go occasionally just you know, if there's
Speaker 2: if there's you know, hey, there's gonna be some some
Speaker 2: night racing or something like that. And you know, he
Speaker 2: he just he loves horses. So when he gets a
Speaker 2: chance to see them as they walk, you know, walk
Speaker 2: by the paddock that kind of stuff, he'll pick one.
Speaker 2: And I would be willing to bet that more than
Speaker 2: half of the times he's picked a horse and we
Speaker 2: bet on it for him, he is won. And at
Speaker 2: times it's been horses that you know, had terrible odds.
Speaker 2: So it was actually a pretty good payday. He bought
Speaker 2: that a few beers that day. Didn't even know. Oh
Speaker 2: that's right. So I thank I think we got some
Speaker 2: special in that kid. So he so about two years ago.
Speaker 2: I think it was, I guess coming up on two
Speaker 2: years it was like Father's Day of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: He we were walking in and you know, he only
Speaker 2: watch all he knows is just to keep in mind
Speaker 2: at this point, he's two going on three. Now he's
Speaker 2: four going on five. But he asked, Dad, is just
Speaker 2: the Preakness? And there was somebody walking in behind us
Speaker 2: that was older and they I turned around and you know,
Speaker 2: I was like, nobody, this is this is Churchill down,
Speaker 2: this is where the derby is. And then this older
Speaker 2: gentleman was like, did he just ask if this was
Speaker 2: the Preakness? And I was thinking, yeah, you know, he's confused.
Speaker 2: And they were like, he's two, how does he know
Speaker 2: what the Preakness is? And I'm like, well, here, he
Speaker 2: just watches videos all the time. He loves it. And
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, you must be you must have really
Speaker 2: gotten him started early. Huh, Dad like, no, he knows
Speaker 2: more than I do. He's two years old. I don't
Speaker 2: know anything. I don't even know what the preakness is. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that has actually made a little bit a little
Speaker 2: bit more fun for me. And if there's ever anything
Speaker 2: that will make me want to want to be more
Speaker 2: knowledgeable about it, it would probably be that, because you know,
Speaker 2: he can enjoy it and I can enjoy it along
Speaker 2: with him. But like, at some point he's gonna feel
Speaker 2: like I'm a real loser because it's gonna, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe it becomes his passion, maybe gonna look down on everyone,
Speaker 2: maybe he become the new expert. I don't know, but yeah,
Speaker 2: he has a lot of fun with it. So we'll
Speaker 2: let him pick out. So for me when it comes
Speaker 2: to betting, I'm gonna I'm gonna just let him pick
Speaker 2: a winner and hope that it works out. And if
Speaker 2: it does, hell yeah. If not, you know, no, biggie,
Speaker 2: because I know that no matter what I decide to do,
Speaker 2: that certainly wouldn't win. But yeah, Derby weeks here, it's
Speaker 2: exciting and we'll have some fun this week getting you
Speaker 2: set up for Saturday's big day. And we got a
Speaker 2: lot to get into today, by the way, We've got
Speaker 2: about I mean, Mondays are always really busy and I
Speaker 2: wouldn't have it any other way. And I know, Thursday
Speaker 2: and Friday it was really just NFL Draft NonStop, and
Speaker 2: I feel like that was that was you know, what
Speaker 2: you probably would have expected us to do, given the
Speaker 2: NFL Draft is such a big event. I don't want
Speaker 2: to make today nothing but NFL Draft reaction. But man,
Speaker 2: there's a lot to unpack. I mean, I've got updated
Speaker 2: thoughts on the Shadoor Sanders situation, and I just, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't want to regurgitate so much that I said Friday,
Speaker 2: but to see him not get picked in the second
Speaker 2: round or the third round and then have to wait
Speaker 2: until you know, the fifth round on on Saturday, I mean,
Speaker 2: it just kind of further makes me feel that that
Speaker 2: my you know, that this guy was never as good
Speaker 2: as anybody claimed he was. There was a lot more
Speaker 2: hype and you know, buzz surrounding shit over Sanders as
Speaker 2: a quarterback than than you know, substance, and I just
Speaker 2: I don't know how nobody once thought to themselves, because
Speaker 2: let's be real, the amount of people out there like
Speaker 2: this is unheard of. I mean, we even had Trump
Speaker 2: tweeting out that, you know, somebody needs to pick him
Speaker 2: and again i'll, i'll, I'll dive back in here on
Speaker 2: the other side. But imagine not understanding that, like you
Speaker 2: don't earn an NFL draft position somebody. An NFL draft
Speaker 2: is a choice. You can be the most accomplished player
Speaker 2: in the world. If somebody doesn't pick you, that's their choice.
Speaker 2: You're not entitled to be drafted at any point. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's so painting him as he's being picked on, as
Speaker 2: if there's some kind of conspiracy. That's laughable, but also
Speaker 2: like then it turned into it was collusion. I mean,
Speaker 2: imagine thinking the NFL needs you. The NFL doesn't need
Speaker 2: a damn person. There's not a single human being throughout
Speaker 2: any history of the NFL, coach, player, GM, whatever, that
Speaker 2: the NFL needed to be as successful and as dominant
Speaker 2: as it is in American sports. So if you show
Speaker 2: up to the job interview as if they need you,
Speaker 2: and that's your tone, good luck wanting them to have
Speaker 2: you join in on their franchise. And I just to me,
Speaker 2: to me, it's just that simple, That's what it is.
Speaker 2: And I kind of hate that it became the only
Speaker 2: I can't remember and this speaks to what I said
Speaker 2: Thursday before the draft started, because it just kind of
Speaker 2: I don't know if I don't know if I was
Speaker 2: able to articulate really what I was feeling, but like,
Speaker 2: it's it's a gift that that beyond Sanders in his camp,
Speaker 2: his family has as far as just no matter what,
Speaker 2: they're gonna be talked about because they just have that,
Speaker 2: they have that gift. They're very polarizing. People have got
Speaker 2: strong opinions on the one where the other Dion's's showman,
Speaker 2: and clearly his kids learned from him, and they they
Speaker 2: carry themselves as if they've accomplished what he has as
Speaker 2: a player, which is laughable and really that's his fault.
Speaker 2: But nonetheless, like it felt like going into the draft,
Speaker 2: like whatever happens with Shador, He's gonna be the most
Speaker 2: talked about thing. It's going to be the biggest talking
Speaker 2: point from the draft. And here we are days later,
Speaker 2: and I don't remember the last time we had a
Speaker 2: draft where there was one specific storyline that dominated the
Speaker 2: entire event like this, So we'll get into it. Also,
Speaker 2: Tyler Shuck coming off the board in the second round
Speaker 2: going to the h New Orleans Saints, which I think
Speaker 2: is a good fit for him. I think it's a
Speaker 2: it's a decent situation for him, But I was bummed
Speaker 2: to see that a lot of Saints fans did not
Speaker 2: like pick, but hey, he can't control that. Also, it
Speaker 2: was nice to see him and Quincy Riley reunite. The
Speaker 2: Saints also picked him up Ashton Julyatti coming off the board.
Speaker 2: I believe it was pretty early in the third round
Speaker 2: when he got taken by the by the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 2: So we can react to the draft, and trust me,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of other things we can get into today.
Speaker 2: Monday's is one of those days where I really don't know,
Speaker 2: I really don't know, you know, what to lay out
Speaker 2: there as far as things you should expect to hear,
Speaker 2: because Monday's really no different than any other day. But
Speaker 2: Monday's the day where I really get to the end
Speaker 2: of the show about five forty five and I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know what, man, we got like six or seven
Speaker 2: things I've been mentioning, but we didn't save enough time.
Speaker 2: So well, and again the draft itself, like how about
Speaker 2: the prank calls? Like that was like that to me
Speaker 2: is like low key one of the biggest a hole
Speaker 2: things you can do. And I don't know if anybody
Speaker 2: thinks that that's a I mean, if you know, I'm
Speaker 2: sure you can find people who thought it was funny.
Speaker 2: But like to me, that's not a prank, like that's
Speaker 2: that's just like I mean, I guess technically by definition
Speaker 2: it would be considered a prank, but it's cruel, is
Speaker 2: what it is. Like, I don't care. And there's not
Speaker 2: anybody that I've ever disliked as an athlete that I
Speaker 2: would say, yeah, I hope that happens to them. Also,
Speaker 2: if you are going to Churchill Downs this week, we've
Speaker 2: got an updated list on what everything's going to cost
Speaker 2: you when it comes to drinks, beverages, those of the
Speaker 2: alcoholic kind. And I just hope you guys have been
Speaker 2: saving money because it's expensive as you probably could expect.
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Speaker 2: just talk about Tyler Shark really quick. I'll start with
Speaker 2: him being the third quarterback taken, which I kind of
Speaker 2: felt like that was realistically the ceiling. I think there
Speaker 2: was some thought that maybe he would end up at
Speaker 2: number two, but it seemed as if that was going
Speaker 2: to be tough. However, I actually thought that if he didn't,
Speaker 2: if he went third and there were two ahead of him,
Speaker 2: I think we knew cam Ward. But then I mean,
Speaker 2: I guess It did change a little bit as we
Speaker 2: got closer to Thursday, but for a while it was
Speaker 2: the belief that it would be cam Ward should or
Speaker 2: and then either Jackson Dart or Tyler Shuck. And we
Speaker 2: all know that didn't exactly play out that way. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, I I was bombed on Friday night to
Speaker 2: see the responses underneath the tweet from the New Orleans Saints,
Speaker 2: because you know, obviously there's you know, every NFL franchise
Speaker 2: is sharing all kinds of content on social media about there,
Speaker 2: you know, giving you a behind the scenes look. Right.
Speaker 2: We saw the video of Tyler getting the call from
Speaker 2: the brass in New Orleans and letting him know he
Speaker 2: was going to be a Saint, and uh, you know,
Speaker 2: you can't control it, right, It's not his fault. But
Speaker 2: it seems as if the New Orleans Saints fans, a
Speaker 2: lot of them hate Derek Carr, which, by the way,
Speaker 2: help me out here, Austin, you're an NFL guy. Derek
Speaker 2: Carr is one of the seemingly really really nice good
Speaker 2: dudes in the NFL that, like, no matter who he's
Speaker 2: played for, the fans seem to hate him. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: is always he stabvereraged. Yeah, he's average. And you know,
Speaker 2: I kind of feel for guys like that because Derek
Speaker 2: Carr don't think he's ever done anything to like make
Speaker 2: you not like him other than just not be maybe
Speaker 2: as good as you need him to be. But what
Speaker 2: happens is that whenever the front office, when they dig
Speaker 2: their heels knowing fans are frustrated with a certain and
Speaker 2: coach or a player, and they and they stick their
Speaker 2: neck out and defend them, I mean, that probably just
Speaker 2: makes the fans resent that player even more, right, So
Speaker 2: I guess that's what happened with Derek Carr and with
Speaker 2: the Raiders and then obviously now with the Saints. And
Speaker 2: you know he's injured too, he's not. I mean, so
Speaker 2: you've got I mean, who are who are all the
Speaker 2: quarterbacks there? Now You've got Carr, Spencer Rattler, it's only
Speaker 2: two of them shut. And then there's another one too.
Speaker 2: There's a fourth quarterback that that that like he is
Speaker 2: in there is in their locker room. And you know,
Speaker 2: he's like a known I mean, she's not like a
Speaker 2: it's like a he's not like a former all pro.
Speaker 2: But it's gonna drive me crazy now, I got to
Speaker 2: look it up because you know that they have four
Speaker 2: guys that I guess could technically be there. They could be,
Speaker 2: you know, a starter there. I mean, it'll probably be
Speaker 2: Car if healthy, because you know, they went out and
Speaker 2: got him and they decided to stick with him. I mean,
Speaker 2: they confirmed right after the season that he was he
Speaker 2: was going to be their guy next year. But anyway,
Speaker 2: you know show I guess, more than anything, if there's
Speaker 2: a positive in this, and I shouldn't speak as if
Speaker 2: all Saints fans are angry, but they feel like they
Speaker 2: got another version of Derek Carr, a guy who's always hurt,
Speaker 2: which you know, Shuck did have injuries, clearly, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Maybe he doesn't have a ton of upside because you know,
Speaker 2: he's pretty good as is. And I guess, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe they just feel like they've got a different version
Speaker 2: of Derek Carr, which I don't think that's true, but
Speaker 2: you know, maybe they're they're maybe it's understandable for them
Speaker 2: to see it that way, but they seem to have
Speaker 2: really wanted shad Or Sanders. And look, I'm basing this
Speaker 2: off of just you know, the most toxic platform out there, Twitter,
Speaker 2: x so that's where you really go to find the
Speaker 2: you know, the toxicity that you may at times not
Speaker 2: even believe exist until you end up, you know, at Twitter.
Speaker 2: But he could prove him wrong. And he's this is
Speaker 2: where his maturity and his experience could come in handy, Right,
Speaker 2: He's not somebody that's going to be young and you know,
Speaker 2: bothered by I mean, I'm sure he's not going to
Speaker 2: enjoy knowing that. Maybe there's some bands that are upset
Speaker 2: that he was the quarterback that they that they picked,
Speaker 2: because clearly, you take a quarterback in the top forty
Speaker 2: of the draft, early second round, your plan is for
Speaker 2: that guy to be your starting quarterback at some point, Like,
Speaker 2: we don't know if it's gonna work out that way,
Speaker 2: but the Saints make that investment because that's who they
Speaker 2: believe is equipped for the job. They hired him to
Speaker 2: be their quarterback of the future. And I guess, you know,
Speaker 2: the the entry level, but he you know, I guess
Speaker 2: training on the job will be you know, while he
Speaker 2: sits back and I guess waits for his turn. But
Speaker 2: how about his dog. I'm not even a big dog guy. Yes,
Speaker 2: it was great, but that was adorable, and I mean
Speaker 2: I don't know his dog by any means, and I
Speaker 2: don't have a relationship with a dog that you know
Speaker 2: he clearly has with his puff. And that's one of
Speaker 2: them real quick just people because I don't have I
Speaker 2: don't know what it is about dogs, but like they
Speaker 2: sense that I'm not like the most friendly person with dogs.
Speaker 2: And it's not because I don't like dogs. It's not
Speaker 2: because you know, I'm anti dog. It's just that I've
Speaker 2: never like when you don't grow up with a pet,
Speaker 2: you know, the man's best friend, as they say, I
Speaker 2: just never developed a relationship that a lot of people
Speaker 2: have had with maybe multiple dogs over their years because
Speaker 2: they've always had pets. But when I go to somebody's house,
Speaker 2: there could be thirteen of us showing up. The dog's
Speaker 2: gonna sniff me out as somebody that might be a
Speaker 2: little bit uncomfortable around dogs compared to others, and they're
Speaker 2: just gonna, you know, they're gonna jump on me, not
Speaker 2: attack me, but you know, almost maybe want to play.
Speaker 2: And I will be a little bit like not like hey,
Speaker 2: get away from me. But like I guess I have
Speaker 2: the quick body language of like uh oh uh oh,
Speaker 2: like this is is he gonn is he gonna hurt me?
Speaker 2: So then the owner then they start to feel bad
Speaker 2: like oh, you know, and and I don't. It's not
Speaker 2: something I'm It's not intentional, It's just I don't you know.
Speaker 2: I'm not a big not a big pet guy, didn't
Speaker 2: have pets growing up, never had a relationship with an
Speaker 2: animal that, you know, was like my companion. And at
Speaker 2: times I've been envious of others. But you know, I
Speaker 2: guess you don't really know what you're missing out because
Speaker 2: you've never experienced it. But when you can't quite relate
Speaker 2: to somebody's love for their dog as if, like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's a family member, you know. I think people sometimes
Speaker 2: think as if like I'm anti or that I'm judging,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, I'm not anti dog at all.
Speaker 2: But anyways, I just felt like the way his dog
Speaker 2: celebrated it truly felt like he knew what happened, right, Yeah?
Speaker 2: Or was it he or she? I think it might
Speaker 2: have been she? Yes, Yeah, she knew that her you know, uh,
Speaker 2: that that her owner her? What do you mean? What's
Speaker 2: what's the proper way to disco mean her paw rents? Okay,
Speaker 2: there you go? Is that a thing because I like it. Yes, okay,
Speaker 2: her Paul Rent, one of her paw rents, had just
Speaker 2: heard his name called in the NFL draft, and that
Speaker 2: pub had the reaction of like genuine joy and excitement
Speaker 2: just like everybody else. Oh yeah, no more kibbles and
Speaker 2: bit It was really really sweet.
Speaker 3: I've seen, fun fact, I've seen Tyler's wife that is
Speaker 3: his wife, right, he's married, and that dog. There's a
Speaker 3: dog park bar PG and Jay's right by her house
Speaker 3: that we go to all the time that our dog
Speaker 3: is a member of. And uh, it must be like
Speaker 3: a hot uf L spot because I've seen Tyler up
Speaker 3: there with that dog before, and and Terrence Edwards Junior
Speaker 3: and Hadley right Hadley, we're out there with their dogs too,
Speaker 3: so it's a popular spot and Tyler is Tyler's very
Speaker 3: well known there, so I'm pretty sure they. I think
Speaker 3: the Dog Park Bar ended up posting that on their
Speaker 3: social too.
Speaker 2: It's pretty cool. So I think he's in a good
Speaker 2: situation because I mean, I don't know enough about their
Speaker 2: roster top to bottom, meaning the Saints to know like
Speaker 2: if they're in a decent position to be competitive, but
Speaker 2: they I mean, who's their franchise player right now. If
Speaker 2: you had to guess Austin the Saints.
Speaker 3: Probably Chris o'lave is probably like the guy I think
Speaker 3: they want to take care of most because he is
Speaker 3: a pretty good receiver. Who's the running back they had
Speaker 3: that was really good for a little while, Alvin Kamara.
Speaker 3: I mean he's still he's still there, but he's not
Speaker 3: the same. He kind of did what a lot of
Speaker 3: running backs do. They just kind of, you know, they
Speaker 3: hit that wall.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So put it this way, I think it's safe
Speaker 2: to say that the Saints for the most part have
Speaker 2: been a pretty well run organization, right I mean, they're
Speaker 2: not sure. They're not a laughing stock like a lot
Speaker 2: of teams that you see in the Super Bowl in
Speaker 2: the NFL. So you know, I you know, I I
Speaker 2: think to know that they're going to trust him to
Speaker 2: kind of you know, again, you draft him that early
Speaker 2: at that spot, your vision for him is that he's
Speaker 2: going to be your franchise quarterback for you know, as
Speaker 2: long as he can be. Once he does, I guess
Speaker 2: develop enough in their minds to kind of step in
Speaker 2: and be that guy. So, you know, I hope it
Speaker 2: works out. You just really never know, but the more
Speaker 2: I looked at the rest of the I mean, like
Speaker 2: when it comes to the quarterbacks in this draft, I mean,
Speaker 2: Chuck might not have been a top two round guy
Speaker 2: had had the quarterback crop been been better than than,
Speaker 2: you know, than this one, because you know, that was
Speaker 2: that was a real It's wild because I think everybody
Speaker 2: knew that the quarterback group here in this draft was
Speaker 2: was believed to be subpar compared to previous drafts. But
Speaker 2: because of the constant machine that is the Dion should
Speaker 2: or Anders hype machine that just never stops, we knew it,
Speaker 2: but we didn't really process it. And I think even
Speaker 2: seeing the rest of the quarterback get drafted, the rest
Speaker 2: of the quarterbacks get drafted in this group, like it
Speaker 2: to me seemed even more obvious that, you know, like
Speaker 2: this wasn't a great group. Which one surprised you the most.
Speaker 2: I think mine is probably the same as everybody else,
Speaker 2: but both Milroe and Gabriel going in the third round
Speaker 2: and they were just two picks apart like that. Again,
Speaker 2: I think probably the Gabriel one, Yeah, Like I didn't
Speaker 2: even know he was like for sure gonna be drafted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And there was that lot of late like last
Speaker 3: second steam on Millrow, how people were even I saw
Speaker 3: some people even putting them possibly like the third quarterback
Speaker 3: taken too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got a lot of dark. He got a
Speaker 2: lot of love right as the draft was starting. And
Speaker 2: it kind of surprised me because after the first round
Speaker 2: where there was only two quarterbacks taken, it was of
Speaker 2: course Cam and then Dart you know, leading into Friday,
Speaker 2: and we talked about it. There was a lot of
Speaker 2: back and forth between those you know, covering the NFL
Speaker 2: Draft there on site that it sounds like, you know,
Speaker 2: Sanders wasn't going to be one of the first guys taken,
Speaker 2: and then sure enough that clearly played out to be
Speaker 2: the exact scenario. It ended up being shucked. But there
Speaker 2: was a lot of Milrow love. And I just again,
Speaker 2: big physical guy, big arm and you know, talented for sure.
Speaker 2: I just I never watched him play at Alabama and
Speaker 2: felt like, wow, Alabama's really good because of him. And
Speaker 2: now sometimes that's just because you got like you get
Speaker 2: to be a really good quarterback, but yet you're so
Speaker 2: loaded everywhere else that maybe the quarterback play doesn't really
Speaker 2: stand out, because again, if you're really good in every
Speaker 2: other aspect, you don't need your quarterback to go out
Speaker 2: there and make difficult throws. You just need him to
Speaker 2: do the job because you've got pieces that you know
Speaker 2: to where it's kind of take care of itself. Like
Speaker 2: sometimes you can be you can be more capable than
Speaker 2: just being a game manager, but sometimes being a game
Speaker 2: manager is the way to go because your offense is
Speaker 2: working efficiently, you don't need to be taking big risks
Speaker 2: and making difficult throws because again, you just need to
Speaker 2: So I really thought that Gabriel was again, yeah, Gabriel,
Speaker 2: because again I'd not heard anything about and I've looked.
Speaker 2: I didn't look at a mock draft that said Gabriel
Speaker 2: was somebody that they believe would be, you know, good
Speaker 2: enough to be sniff in the top five rounds. And
Speaker 2: I think we definitely learned that Quinn Houver is being
Speaker 2: drafted in the seventh round like he's going to go
Speaker 2: down as an example, Like there will be quarterbacks considering
Speaker 2: their future after college seasons for the next however many
Speaker 2: years that have to think do I want to be
Speaker 2: the next camp What do I want to be the
Speaker 2: next Quin Hovers? Because I mean, I think what happened
Speaker 2: here is that he knew that, regardless of what he
Speaker 2: wanted to do, he was not going to be able
Speaker 2: to come back to Texas and be the quarterback because
Speaker 2: quite I mean, it was clear they were ready to
Speaker 2: hand the reins off to Arch Manning. You don't get
Speaker 2: Arch Manning to come in into your quarterback and have
Speaker 2: him sit for a third year behind somebody. So you know,
Speaker 2: that was pretty obvious. But I don't think it would
Speaker 2: have been a bad look for him to bypass the
Speaker 2: NFL draft, hit the portal, go make a ton of money,
Speaker 2: and then you know, have another year where he looks
Speaker 2: like he's more polished and ready to be a pro.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it was meaning. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it was. He just his ego wouldn't let him,
Speaker 2: you know, he wouldn't let it play out to where
Speaker 2: the optics were exactly that he's got to leave because
Speaker 2: he won't be their guy next year, and he just
Speaker 2: doesn't you know, maybe his pride god in the way,
Speaker 2: and he won't because again that's how it would have
Speaker 2: been presented, like if he transferred out of Texas to
Speaker 2: go elsewhere and play in college. I mean, everybody would
Speaker 2: have said that you know he lost his gig, which
Speaker 2: is I guess essentially that's what would have happened. But
Speaker 2: I mean, I haven't seen the exact number, and I'll
Speaker 2: pull it up later because I know it's out there now.
Speaker 2: But sarkisian Texas head coach, he did an interview or
Speaker 2: I don't know how. I actually don't even know how
Speaker 2: it came about, but he revealed in some way like
Speaker 2: what what Hewers made at Texas last year as their quarterback.
Speaker 2: And again it's not a big surprise because he went
Speaker 2: in the seventh round over the weekend. He was the
Speaker 2: quarterback at freaking Texas. But he will take a substantial
Speaker 2: pay cut in the NFL next year, which is just
Speaker 2: you know, saying that out loud is kind of crazy,
Speaker 2: but that's where we are now. If you're a big
Speaker 2: time player at the college level and your draft status
Speaker 2: is not believed to be you know, top tier, you
Speaker 2: will be taking a pay cut moving forward. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's just that's just where we are, all right, quick break,
Speaker 2: we'll come back on the other side. We'll talk more
Speaker 2: NFL Draft throughout the throughout the show that including just
Speaker 2: there was a clear explanation as to why should or
Speaker 2: Sanders ended up falling the way he did. And I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm assuming all Friday night, Thursday night too, I suppose.
Speaker 2: And then while we waited for him to get taken
Speaker 2: on Saturday, I mean, I didn't need to hear the
Speaker 2: insiders kind of share what because here's what happened after
Speaker 2: he started fall after he started to you know, after
Speaker 2: the picks kept coming and he was not being taken
Speaker 2: at that point. I think those who do have really
Speaker 2: good sources in the NFL, they were then able to
Speaker 2: obtain more info from people inside organizations that were willing
Speaker 2: to say, hey, yeah, here's what we did and here's why.
Speaker 2: And again, like once you hear this, which you probably
Speaker 2: already have, like, it makes total sense why this played
Speaker 2: out the way that it did. It's not complex. It's
Speaker 2: it's not you know, them trying to railroad him. It's
Speaker 2: not about race. It's just because he handled it the
Speaker 2: way he handled it. And most importantly, it still doesn't
Speaker 2: get mentioned a whole lot. He wasn't a top three
Speaker 2: quarterback in a bad quarterback class. I mean that alone
Speaker 2: should be a good enough explanation, to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: All right, quick break, we'll come back on the other side,
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Speaker 2: We were wrapping up the three o'clock hour here on
Speaker 2: a Monday after noon getting Derby week started. That is
Speaker 2: certainly exciting. Just a couple of things I wanted to
Speaker 2: mention before we get out of here the top of
Speaker 2: the hour, but again we're coming back for two more hours.
Speaker 2: I don't go anywhere, but you'veil football this year. I
Speaker 2: believe it's the first time in program history they have
Speaker 2: eight home games. There may be a scenario where I'm
Speaker 2: where it's the second time that's happened, but I know
Speaker 2: they're definitely promoting that. Hey, if you want to get
Speaker 2: season tickets, just no, there's eight games that this year,
Speaker 2: and they're they're either saying, I guess I'm not paying
Speaker 2: attention to their marketing quite quite as good as others,
Speaker 2: because they're either saying that it's the first time or
Speaker 2: it's the second time. But either way, eight home games
Speaker 2: is awesome and it has led to others taking notice.
Speaker 2: So others are paying attention despite me not paying close
Speaker 2: attention because there's now three thousand new season tickets that
Speaker 2: have been sold, so again three thousand added to what
Speaker 2: they already have had as it's been growing since Jeff
Speaker 2: prom came back, So that is, you know, three thousand
Speaker 2: may not sound like a lot, but again keep in mind,
Speaker 2: these are three thousand people that did not have season
Speaker 2: tickets prior that are now that are now getting involved,
Speaker 2: so that that is certainly good news. So a couple
Speaker 2: of people have asked me to not talk horse racing
Speaker 2: at all this week, and you know, I mean, we're
Speaker 2: not gonna talk about like I mean, have you ever
Speaker 2: heard me try to talk about horse racing? Like actually,
Speaker 2: so again you'll probably hear me say this a few
Speaker 2: times this week. There's a difference in talking about Derby
Speaker 2: and everything that comes with it than talking about the
Speaker 2: sport one horse racing. And that's what I always try
Speaker 2: to tell people is that like how can you market
Speaker 2: and it's a different thing, not like my analysis, We're
Speaker 2: not a horse racing city. And what I mean by
Speaker 2: that is in what this is meaning like you know,
Speaker 2: sports talk, sports coverage on television, radio, podcast, digital, like
Speaker 2: we're not exposed to the raw sport of horse racing.
Speaker 2: Like I think a lot of people think we are
Speaker 2: we just happened to have Churchill down at Kentucky Derby,
Speaker 2: I mean out in the state like Lexington. I feel
Speaker 2: like that's a little bit more sort of like you know, yes,
Speaker 2: more so just the true sport of it. So again,
Speaker 2: I'm not knocking it. I'm just telling you that, Like,
Speaker 2: we don't talk about it in that detail really ever
Speaker 2: here on this show, and others do and it's probably
Speaker 2: because they're they're they're able to I'm not. I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna lie to you or go, you know, go out
Speaker 2: there and act like I've got the ability to do
Speaker 2: something that I don't. So again, like talking about everything
Speaker 2: Derby is not the same thing as talking about horse
Speaker 2: racing the sport. Now again, the Derby happens to be
Speaker 2: a race that you know, is a horse race. So
Speaker 2: you know, that's that's you know, and the reason people
Speaker 2: are you know, years ago, I just decided to stop
Speaker 2: faking it. And I don't remember if I had like
Speaker 2: a passionate ran or what it was, but it did
Speaker 2: stick out because I remember kind of thinking like I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna say this because it's me telling the honest truth,
Speaker 2: and you know, I'll take whatever comes with it. And
Speaker 2: I was pleasantly surprised that a lot of people said
Speaker 2: that the worst week in radio in this city is
Speaker 2: Derby week, because so many people try to act as
Speaker 2: if they talk horse racing all the time when they don't.
Speaker 2: And even if you did, it wouldn't be interesting to
Speaker 2: people because again, the majority of the people that you
Speaker 2: know can consume stuff like this, meaning this this show,
Speaker 2: other shows alike. They're not. I mean some are, but
Speaker 2: like you got to think about your audience, think about
Speaker 2: the majority of who would listen. So again, we'll have
Speaker 2: some fun with Derby, but I mean, I won't lie
Speaker 2: to you and act like I'm gonna develop some ability
Speaker 2: to really understand the sport whenever you know, I know
Speaker 2: that I'm not, And even if, like you know, I
Speaker 2: wanted to, I'm not sure i'd be able to. But
Speaker 2: those that have, you know. The person who said that
Speaker 2: then went on to ask is if I have any
Speaker 2: update on James Scott and where Louisville will to use
Speaker 2: their last scholarships here. And I don't have any update
Speaker 2: at all, doesn't mean they're not They're not looking. I mean,
Speaker 2: still there's clearly plenty of players available.
Speaker 1: In the portal.
Speaker 2: But I think we learned this last year. When you
Speaker 2: get this late into the process, you know what you've
Speaker 2: got for sale, you really have to find the right
Speaker 2: buyer and that may be hard to do. Right. How
Speaker 2: many people in the portal players are looking for a
Speaker 2: chance to come be the fourth big for Louisville. How
Speaker 2: many are looking to be, you know, the backup point guard.
Speaker 2: And you just have to also accept that you're probably
Speaker 2: going to play a lot less minutes than a freshman.
Speaker 2: Like that's just again what you have to sell as
Speaker 2: far as your role and opportunity. You've got to find
Speaker 2: the right buyer. And I think that's a little bit
Speaker 2: more difficult than people may assume. Now again, you may
Speaker 2: be able to say, okay, well look, yeah, you can
Speaker 2: go to I don't know, you can go to Toledo
Speaker 2: or Akron and transfer, or you can come to Louisville,
Speaker 2: a place that you know, plays in an NBA arena
Speaker 2: that has a passionate fan base. There's going to be
Speaker 2: a bunch of games on national television, but they could
Speaker 2: also make they could also they're probably going to you know,
Speaker 2: guys who would choose that level of a program are
Speaker 2: probably going there because they want to play a lot,
Speaker 2: and you really can't sell that if you're Pat Kelsey.
Speaker 2: Now again, I'm sure you're telling guys, hey, you're gonna
Speaker 2: get what you earn. You're gonna you know, you're gonna
Speaker 2: you're gonna be able to compete, and that's what coaches
Speaker 2: should say. And to be fair, I think if somebody
Speaker 2: came in and they were viewed to be somebody that
Speaker 2: might get in the game as like the human victory cigar,
Speaker 2: but they come in and they compete and they're really
Speaker 2: really good. They make the team better. Pakolse is gonna
Speaker 2: play those guys. It's just you know, this is you know,
Speaker 2: even if you are like lying to players about like
Speaker 2: what role they could have, they're not dumb. I mean,
Speaker 2: they know what they're walking into. They know mckail Brown
Speaker 2: Junior is one of the best point guards in fact,
Speaker 2: maybe the best point guard in this freshman class. And
Speaker 2: that all he's done in the McDonald's game and in
Speaker 2: the USA Hoops Summit or sorry, the Nike Hoops Summitt like,
Speaker 2: all he's done is continue to show that he's probably
Speaker 2: gonna be a pretty special freshman next year in college basketball.
Speaker 2: So I'm sure they're working, but I think these are
Speaker 2: the last editions I think that you're gonna get are
Speaker 2: probably the kind that will pop and you'll not even
Speaker 2: realize Louisville was in on somebody. I mean, maybe I'm wrong,
Speaker 2: but I could just see it playing out that way. Now,
Speaker 2: we'll say when it comes to the guys they've added.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think one of the reasons why you
Speaker 2: may have a tougher time adding another guard if you're
Speaker 2: trying to is because clearly Louisville has, as mentioned, one
Speaker 2: of the best freshmen in the country coming in at
Speaker 2: least a guy who's projected to be that. And they
Speaker 2: also went out and added really good guards that everybody
Speaker 2: knows is going to have. I mean, these guys are
Speaker 2: going to play a lot mcneee, Conwell and Wooley. I mean,
Speaker 2: those guys are good players. And by the way, Evan Mayakawa,
Speaker 2: one of the college basketball analytics guys that I follow,
Speaker 2: he shared this earlier Louisville, and I'm reading directly from
Speaker 2: his tweet. Louisville has acquired more elite shooters in the
Speaker 2: transfer Portal than any other team, mentioning mcneilie, Conwell and
Speaker 2: Woolly and goes on to say that they're the only
Speaker 2: team in the portal to get three transfers and then
Speaker 2: ninety fifth percentile are better in three point shooting skill grade.
Speaker 2: So I mean, clearly Pat Kelsey wants to bring in
Speaker 2: guys that can shoot threes because he wants his team
Speaker 2: to take a lot of end rhythm threes, and that's
Speaker 2: his that's what he wants to do, that's his system,
Speaker 2: and I think he's found three guys that fitted as
Speaker 2: far as you know. And again, maybe sometimes the shooting
Speaker 2: doesn't translate, but there's also a scenario where guys end up,
Speaker 2: you know, shooting in even better percentage than they did
Speaker 2: at their previous school because they're now playing in a
Speaker 2: system that is really built to to, you know, make
Speaker 2: sure those guys get good, clean looks and they knock
Speaker 2: them down. Now with the James Scott transfer, and again
Speaker 2: I would assume the more time that passes, the more
Speaker 2: it's that he's out the door and he's not coming back.
Speaker 2: He's considering other schools, which again i'd say right now
Speaker 2: that's most likely, but I don't say that having any info.
Speaker 2: I just say that because you know, I'm guessing, I'm speculating,
Speaker 2: like a lot of people would be. So you do
Speaker 2: have a bigger role to sell. But again, as I
Speaker 2: said last week, the loss of Jamescott is not a
Speaker 2: huge deal because you just simply can't replace his production.
Speaker 2: But think about what you're now having to sell. The
Speaker 2: role that he did that I think he embraced. I
Speaker 2: think he really enjoyed it and was good at it.
Speaker 2: He didn't care if he took a single shot. I
Speaker 2: didn't think he cared a whole lot about like playing
Speaker 2: thirty minutes a game. But maybe he did. Maybe that's
Speaker 2: why he decided to leave. So again, you've got Case
Speaker 2: and Pryor coming back, You've got Javon Hadley coming back,
Speaker 2: You've got Sonny Frew coming in. And I just think,
Speaker 2: you know, that's gonna make it to where the likelihood
Speaker 2: of getting a big name player in the portal that
Speaker 2: has a lot of really good options, and he's picking Louisville.
Speaker 2: I just you know, to me, it seems a little
Speaker 2: more difficult to envision that happening. But hey, Louisvill's clearly
Speaker 2: got an I all money and money talks, So we
Speaker 2: shall see. All right, two hours left, stick around a
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