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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome to That's Not Metal. We are your

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weekly rock and heavy metal podcast, and this is another

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edition of Hyperblasts where we come at you every week

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letting you know what you need to know and what's

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been going on in the news and the releases. You

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are going to want to hear loads of new tracks,

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loads of new announcements this week to be talking about,

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and we try and keep you up to speed with

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everything that has been going on in our world. This

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Hyperblast is coming very slightly late. I'm hoping it will

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still be out by the end of the day, but

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it's coming very slightly late. We move back our record

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from yesterday for reasons. We have really really sad, unfortunate

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stuff that we have to be talking about this time.

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But let's lead off with a little bit of positivity.

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The reason that we didn't record last night is, Sam,

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you were at a fucking crazy looking hardcore show in

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London yesterday, So tell us about your your sparkler of

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an evening.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so last week Haywire, who are one of the

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sort of real buzzies or bands in hardcore at the moment,

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like they've they've gone virable several times because of doing

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shows like this, whether it's one they did in a

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wrestling ring or just in like crazy locations.

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Speaker 3: They're a Boston hardcore band. I saw them earlier this year.

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They're great.

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Speaker 2: But they announced that they were going to be doing

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this one off random London show at a secret location.

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Speaker 3: They'd be announced on the day it was free.

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Speaker 2: It was them the band Dead City, who I'm not

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familiar with but I'm into now, the Chisel and Impost

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who I am Brian Hardban.

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Speaker 3: I saw Haywire.

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Speaker 2: But basically, so what got announced earlier around midday yesterday

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they were like, it is this location in Hackney, across

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the bridge from a skate park.

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Speaker 3: Here's the coordinates if you can't find it, and everyone's like,

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that's not a venue, Like what what what? What's the deal?

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Speaker 2: And then one kind of clocked if you've been like intargled,

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because you might have seen videos over the years of

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like say, bands playing gigs underneath bridges or in car

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parks where it's just like a total pop up DIY thing,

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whether like they've all just sort of set again. I've

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got a little like generator and it's just a total

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like no rules apply, you're not in a venue. So

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the traditional rules of like a gig are out the window.

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Anything goes and these shows look like absolute chaos, but

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they have a lot in America and you just don't

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get them over here, so hey, why putting one of

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them on over here or something.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I'm gonna go be.

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Speaker 2: At and it was fucking insane, like it kind of

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had like a niceess calace where like Imposta there again

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a Brighton band that they had, you know a good

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bit of washing the odd flare going off, but it

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was kind of quite quite well behaved. And then each

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set like the Chisel, who are like rowdy, they're more

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like punk and hardcore, but they're like proper like just

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rowding your face punk, And that was again just like

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Ever's all kind of saying like, oh, this is totally

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like it, and you can sort of things see things

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escalate from there. But it was when Dead City came

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on and that's where it turned into a war zone essentially,

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not just like flares being logged into the crowd for

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people to sort of run about waving whilst they're.

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Speaker 3: Washing between members of like.

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Speaker 2: Hey, why having actual fireworks and they were just launching

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Speaker 3: You also people doing like makeshift flamethrowers to sort of.

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Speaker 2: Give like fire sort of things at the back with

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the lights and a can, so like you just like

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they were going all in on this, like the sort

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of spectacle you would see at a normal show, except

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the fireworks were going into the crowd and you were

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having to like fucking dodge the mortual washing lives genuinely

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a bit fearful life.

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Speaker 3: When like the first and it was kind of funny.

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thing and so they'll kind of go cunding ease again

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not saved, Like I would not recommend this.

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Speaker 2: But then there was one that went off and like

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it cleared the pit because it was just like and

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was like fucking hell this, I'm actually about to get

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a firework in my face here.

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Speaker 3: And then they no more vibes after that.

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Speaker 2: They were like, yeah, cool, well pull it on the

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fireworks now, because that one went like a.

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Speaker 1: Like a Council of State Ramstein show with no lis

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Speaker 2: Juli was that, but like you know, just people diving

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off the stage like it's like dead City.

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Speaker 3: They're like a la punk band.

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Speaker 2: They're like crusty at times it's very all paced for them,

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like not really like one for the beatdowns, but it's

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just like full on like agro pace.

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Speaker 3: They were really cool.

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Speaker 2: Actually, I definitely want to, Like I go one of

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their ABMs listening to afterwards and it's like ten songs

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and eight minutes long or something like that, Like that's

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what bad they are. But haywire work fucking Brilliant's head

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on and again they feel like in the way that

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you know, Speed have kind of been the band of

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the last or two years to like the proper hardcore

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band to really break big. Hey, I feel like they're

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next in line for that, just the way they're going,

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the way they conduct themselves, the kind of like viral

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moments that they're creating from doing these sort of shows.

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Speaker 3: And I think the thing as one is like they've.

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Speaker 2: Got I think three releases now man tweet P's and

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they've already actually got like actually bangers in the set,

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piling on to get the mic.

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Speaker 3: They are like actual like sing along choruses.

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Speaker 2: They're like just big shouting moss parts, so that they've

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actually got a selection of songs going already, which I

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think is one of the huge differences as to why

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they're they're really starting to cross over.

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Speaker 3: But they're they're great life.

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Speaker 2: They're so in your face, like it's like Boston hardcore,

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so that and that they're fulling on that kind of

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like stomping kind of like punk beats sort of thing

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that they were like genuinely brilliant. Again, like lots of

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I saw them was early this year, like a sort

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of small venue in Brighton. This is almost on one

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of the biggest leaps up in like amount of people

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months ago to now and again this is a free

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show in London, but like it was a huge crowd

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of people who turned up and everyone kind of like

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realized what a sort of special one off show this

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was and and got like the fucking involved and it

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was like pretty special. But it was just like, say,

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there will stay a moment where I feared my life

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because the fireworks and I was just like, this is

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the we like in the trenches right now, bombs going

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off around you. But yeah, anyone who was there will

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hardcore events of the year in the UK, which is

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like really fucking cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the videos looked absolutely insane, so we we'd moved

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back our record from the usual you know, Thursday night anyway,

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and then about the time where we would have been

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going to record yesterday, the news broke that Brent Hines

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had been killed overnight in Atlanta in a motorcycle accident, which,

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by the sounds of it, it wasn't even you know,

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it wasn't like his fault, by the sounds of it,

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and someone knocked him over. And I am I'm so

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fucking sad about this. I words have been failing made

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over the last twenty four hours or so.

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Speaker 2: This one hit hard for me because this felt cruel,

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like we you know, we've ren EIDs this, this is

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one of those like completely out of nowhere, just like

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on like you like you don't want to end on that.

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but like, just this is when I was kind of

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and talk about it was like I genuinely felt crushed

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by this, and again I was on my way to

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a gig, which was I was going to be like

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I was kind of like, but I need to realize

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what the fuck's going on?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and like it just the last few weeks of

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this show have just been like I'm I'm really tired

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right now of doing this. It's been a rough few

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weeks because you know, Ozzie almost exactly a month ago

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basically that you know, we spoke about that, and then

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Eric Wonder from Cobolt, who was a musician who I

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really loved, and now Brent, and the timing just feels

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wrong because you know, Brent has been in the news

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a lot this year, of course because of the ongoing

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you know, fall up of his split with Mathodon. But

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when they split in March. On the podcast, we almost

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of kind of impact and the level of magic those

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four guys had together. And then to six months later

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be talking about him again. But you know, firmly in

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the in the in the past tense. It just feels

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fucking wrong and weird, and you know, like we don't

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know where things have gone, but that this has happened

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when there was clearly a lot of public bitterness between

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the members. I think, you know, even if he never

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rejoined the band, I think we'd all hope that there's

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some possibility that they may have patched things up personally

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and that much sting the other guys so fucking bad

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right now that you know that rift between them is

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is where it ends, because like we all picture those

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four guys as such a unit together at so many times,

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you know, through our history. Like I can speak for

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this myself, like whether you got in on Leviathan or

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I believe, on the kind of overarching level, Mastered On

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are the most seminal classic metal band of the twenty

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first century. And you know, to go beyond that, I'm

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saying this because I genuinely believe it. Those untouchable bands

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that we kind of act like sometimes no one else

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can ever get close to, you know, your Metallica's, your

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Iron Maidens or you know, or who are't on the

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prog side, your Rush, your King, Crimson King, Crimsons whatever.

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Mastered On are the band of our era. I genuinely

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think are that good. Like their run and their brilliance

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equals that of any of those bands, of any band

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in our world to have ever done it, I think,

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and so as I say, like when Ossie died, like

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of course he's the godfather of everything and we felt that.

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But Mastered On our you know, to our generation, to

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so many of us, they are are icons, you know,

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and our legends who we've we've followed in that way

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and seen blossom in that way, and like Mastodon means

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so much to me to this day, and I know

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I speak for a ton of us there. And every

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album they made, certainly up to about album five, right,

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like every album change shit for the scene, Like not

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to do that once and they can splash, whether remission

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or a Leviathan, but to do that and then rewrite

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it again and again. I don't think there's a band

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in our scene that parallels it in the twenty first

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century and Brent's part in that one of the single

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most influential inspirational guitarists of the modern age of heavy music.

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Brent Heinz you.

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the greatest guitars of the twenty first century, like in

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a kind of aura and reverence around Masdon, So it

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this band obviously just that brilliant, aren't they.

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the love truly began because they started to take that

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and do this kind of like what's their simplified album,

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which is still you know, this mind altering like amazing

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trip and that again every album like I agree, there

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is no of Coross the albums.

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Speaker 3: There isn't There isn't a dud is there.

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Speaker 2: There is nothing you would say is below an A

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ADS and a A push. They they were just so consistently brilliant,

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and Brent was such a vile part of that, you know,

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a prickly character, but someone who's character was important to

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the DNA of that band and the music.

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Speaker 1: And thinking of genuine innovation in you know, twenty first

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century metal and having that distinctive touch, you know, with

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Brent starting to play a lot of his stuff kind

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of earlier in his career, he started playing banjo a

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lot before he then started playing like kind of rock

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guitar and those like chord shapes and the you know,

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the kind of bluegrass touch of playing heavy metal licks

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and stuff like. That's where everyone is trying to kind

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of evoke and recapture and no one could do it

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like him. And I just think about March of the

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fire Ants alone, right first album track two. It has

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one of the best rifts of all time in it.

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That record is so crushing and such a game changer

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for the underground. But to get to the point in

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the second half of that song when the lead guitar

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melody comes in is one of my favorite moments in

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the Masterdon Cannon And to have been so punishing and

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grueling and unforgiving as a band at that point in time,

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but to just like out of nowhere get that beam

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of light that like lifts your soul, that individual moment

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in two thousand and two must have changed everything for

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so many musicians who heard it. And at the end

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of that album there's elephant Man, there's like gorgeous, rootsy

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kind of guitar instrumental and metal is instantaneously better and

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has more doors opened for having that in the world

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before they then start their tear of all of their

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other albums and like arguably their real golden era begins

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and just again for the last kind of twenty four hours.

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Like for a band who we often kind of lament,

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we're never an arena band, you know, like they never

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have become solid festival headliners. I can't imagine anyone at

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that sort of level of like just under the peak popularity,

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unifying everyone and getting the you know, the kind of

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amount of love from kind of across the spectrum that

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that Brent Hines and maybe any member of Mastodon, But

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you know, Brent and his kind of impact on people's

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lives has done over the past like day, Like you know,

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on one hand, I'm seeing you know, like Relapse Records

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and all of these underground American sludge bands like Wake

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and High on Fire and stuff posting tributes reminiscing about

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like the early days when they were coming through. And

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on the end other end, you've got Queens of the

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Stone Age and Shirley Manson and Rob Halford and everyone,

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and like I mean, masterd On guided more people me.

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I mean you you just describe your story there, like

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more people to like underground left field sort of progressive

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metal more than anyone of their generation. I'd say, maybe

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next to Opeth. But like so many of us here

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have coult with Lunar or Torch or Enslaved or Dillinger

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or Death Heaven Records or whatever because of Masterdon and

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because of Brent's part in them.

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Speaker 3: I think that's it is.

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Speaker 2: They were like they were the challenging of like progressive

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like expansive, dentious band, but the one that that were

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sort of like had this like crossover.

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Speaker 3: And again I don't know, like there was just a.

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Speaker 2: Character to them, like whether it's the risks, whether it's

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the guys and things that did just sort of make

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them feel more interesting because again, like for me where

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I was, I wasn't gonna you know, go with Opef

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much at that point, but mass On there was just

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being different to them. And again with you know, Brent

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being this like big guy with these like weird face

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tattoos and his had and just again just a presence

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that that that that guy carried. And again you're talking

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about like the sort of tributes guys in melcor and

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hardcore bands I've seen sort of saying like like the

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members of Malevolence even like sort of saying like our

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guitar playing without the lead work and all that, you're

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going to go. Yeah, fans that you wouldn't think really

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have much a comb with Maston will probably still look

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at go when we're trying to you know, write this

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massive lead guitar so part or anything like that. Again,

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if I'm more near, they're channeling Brent more than pretty

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much anyone else, aren't they, And it just it just

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reaches so.

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Speaker 1: Far vocally, like particularly in their most sort of classic era,

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the most Maverick out of them all vocally, like you know,

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he can sing Curl the Bull, but when he comes

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in on like a colony of Birchman or Yeah, Sea

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Beast or a divinations, it's just like, who the hell

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is this? You know, so strange and intriguing to the

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ear when he's like screeching like a demon out a

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hell on the Wolfer's loose or a circle of Sye squatch.

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I think he was almost like the litmus test for like,

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are you weird enough for Masterdon? Like do you have

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that quirk in your DNA to really love about like Masterdon?

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He was the most immediate kind of hurdle to that,

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and at the same time, you know, the Beast on

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hushed and grim like, you know, even though he sang

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less on latest albums, his voice was growing too along

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with the rest of them, like you know, on the

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Cold Dark Place EP as well, like kind of the

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most sort of like soulful country music kind of esque

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performances he given at that point. And then as we're

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saying on to the lead work, which he's God, He's

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probably in my top five personal favorite lead guitarists ever,

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Like when he was out of the band, you know,

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and we spoke about Brent earlier this year, even as

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a maston go forward, we were saying, the big Brent

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Hines sort of climactic solo moment of an album can

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never be quite the same again, you know it, Heart's Alive,

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Crack the Sky as an entire album for him is

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like an individual performance anyone would dream of achieving. Like

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that's as inspired a moment from any musician ever. You

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want a name on their most locked in album, you know,

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like a full on classic timeless rock album of any stripe,

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and you can be something of a fly on the

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wall for it if you go and watch the making

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of doc on YouTube, which I've watched, you know, several

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times before. But the last thing I did before coming

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on to do this podcast was I watched that again

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and watch Brent track his solos and like it will

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choke you up, and then onto, you know, fucking Jaguar God,

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which I've been sort of using of the last few

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years as that example of that, like big let all

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out kind of solo moment, and you watched him play

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on stage like if he was having a good day

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where he's particularly feeling it, and it's just like the

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fucking fire that come out of that guy's hand. Like

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it's one of the the times as a person going

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to shows and being in the presence of a musician

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where I felt like I was in the presence of

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one of those Yeah, one of those like eternal, iconic

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fucking rock stars like a Jimi Hendrix or a Prince

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or someone you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like on like the later mass of albums,

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where again it did get even more kind of like

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emotional in the sort of like themes and lyrics. His

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playing kind of like helped channel that even further. I think,

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like those Moe likes on the most emotive moments on

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Emperor of Sand, and again how he whether he's vocal

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or not, like drives even more.

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Speaker 3: And because that was why, like yesterday what happened em

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for Sand was the.

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Speaker 2: First record I saw reached for just because of like

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thematically with album Explores, it felt kind of like a

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way to kind of process what had happened. But it

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just again they never stopped again hushed and grimmed. Maybe

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want to make some of the bunch, but there's still

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so many moments of magic from Brent on that album

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where you're just going to go like you wondered what

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more there was to give, and again it just the

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sounds in this one was again is that there was

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the rift in the band and that just sort of

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making it even more like bitter to sort of deal with.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know you mentioned before, like you know,

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the look with the hair, the beard, the face tattoo,

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Like I don't think it's actually said enough. How cool

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through all the years those four dudes look together, you know,

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like to use a word that is overused by the

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kids at the moment, but I think more genuine aura

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than almost because that's.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that drew me to them.

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Speaker 2: And they again put them against other prog bands at

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the time, Maston looked like renegades, like they they're no

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band that looked like them, and that's why I was

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kind of like, I want to know what the deal

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is because you know, the hair, the face tattoos, just

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the presence of them all like just a bunch of

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like swamp dudes kind of like coming out of them

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being rock stars and that like that cannot be understood

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how much that kind of added to their presence and

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overall package.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know when not a lot of bands

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today really have that kind of aura, and Brent was

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always kind of the most you know, sort of affronting

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of all of them in that way. And I think

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that uniqueness of just you know, how he looked, where

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he came from, how that background then reflected in his

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touch on metal and is playing, and just how he

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how he was. You know, that's what we need more

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of in metal.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's like no one could teach themselves to be Brent

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Hines as much as Brent Hines could couldn't teach himself

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to be anyone else. And you know we said all

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of this when when he split with Masterdon, but like

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one of the last genuine embodiments of sort of rock

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and roll spirit as a person, where his his edges

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were unsanded, you know, he was untamed, and sometimes that

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bit him. But we've all got our favorite stories, you know,

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and I'm hearing more and more of them in the

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last day. Like one of our good friends, he told

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me a story about his guitar lesson things that shows

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that he'd sometimes do where apparently he mainly just wanted

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to sit around smoking weed and then kicked a guy

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out for insulting Metallica, which is is kind of a

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dick move, but also kind of based, you know, like

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I love that Brent Hines did that. Now that he's

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gone and he's still the guy who, you know, despite

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being in this kind of internationally successful band Mastered On,

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he would be up on stage all the time at

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local Atlanta bars with like some weird bar band or another,

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and you'd see some like shitty phone footage of and

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be like, what's he doing? You know, he's just living

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for it. He's like quite simply one of the realist

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Like I don't think Brent Hines ever did anything for

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money or plaued it. And the more Mastered On got big,

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the more he seemed to want to actually do these

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kind of like unseen things on the side.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you say, like for the love of

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the game all that, Like it kind of just defined

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his And that again is where where wells the passion

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or something of that wasn't in Animal So he was

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always true to himself and what his artistic uty wanted

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to make. And I think that that again, like that

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is something you've kind of got admired of times, someone

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who has their vision of what their creative passion is.

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And we'll see it through and it's so sad that

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we're not going to see that vision anymore and where

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that could have gone. Like with this new project, we

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were you know, intrigued as to what it would be

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and it's gone now. And it's amameing that he's got,

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you know, this amazing legcy and catalog to his name

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to sort of remembered by. But it is just that

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we won't get any more of it is a real

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sad thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, after losing Ossie, you know, you

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were thinking who are the people we have who carry

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some of that kind of larger than life wildness in it,

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those true one off kind of maverick people who seem

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you know, fewer and fewer, and Brent Hines was one

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of the few where you know, the wildness of metal

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lived with and a little piece of it dyed with

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that man. And you know, you know that you know,

479
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this isn't playing. We're not putting on here like we

480
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,799
talk here week in week out about how much Masterdn

481
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,240
mean to us and you know, like he obviously wasn't there,

482
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:07,519
but like we were just a couple of weeks ago

483
00:23:07,559 --> 00:23:10,000
talking about you know, seeing Mastered on and you know

484
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,960
his part still playing a huge role, you know, in

485
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,519
their music and the twenty first century of metal without

486
00:23:17,599 --> 00:23:22,440
mastered on and Brent's contribution as guitarist and vocalist is unthinkable,

487
00:23:22,519 --> 00:23:26,680
like just a twenty five year trail of changing shit.

488
00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:31,720
And I I'm so fucking sad about this, Like I'm

489
00:23:32,039 --> 00:23:34,480
I'm sad I'll never see another Instagram story of him

490
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,920
hanging out with some pigs or a dog or whatever.

491
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,759
Like I was literally considering going see c Ky in

492
00:23:39,799 --> 00:23:42,440
a couple months, just to see him play again with

493
00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:47,079
the WITHO face and it just this sucks so much,

494
00:23:47,279 --> 00:23:50,920
but Brent hines like a giant of our time and

495
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,240
one of the greatest of all time. Rest in peace.

496
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,480
Let's move on to a big slew of tracks and

497
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,319
album announcements that we're going to make up the bulk

498
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,359
of this show. We're going to start with Joyce Manner,

499
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,279
whoever released their first single in three years is called

500
00:24:08,319 --> 00:24:11,119
all My Friends Are So Depressed. And Joyce Manner, there

501
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:12,640
was a time, you know, when they were kind of

502
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,319
I think in the twenty tens, they were kind of

503
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,000
unavoidable for bands of their stripe, you know, the sort

504
00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:19,960
of the indie emo whatever type bands. It feels like

505
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,240
in the twenty twenties they've been a little bit more

506
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,480
kind of by the wayside and not the most like

507
00:24:24,839 --> 00:24:28,119
all eyes on them at all times. But you know,

508
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,839
when I put this single on, I was struck at

509
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,279
first by the kind of outlaw country vibes at the

510
00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:35,039
beginning of it. You know, you've got your train beat,

511
00:24:35,079 --> 00:24:37,680
you've got your sort of sladey acoustics, and then your

512
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,720
man starts singing and it's just sad emo again. But

513
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,119
for a moment I was like, damn, we're getting the

514
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,000
Joyce maner hodown.

515
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're definitely in the kind of a slightly more

516
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,240
like dour, downcast Joyce manor era, where like again when

517
00:24:50,279 --> 00:24:53,720
you think like their sort of Peepio where everyone's going

518
00:24:53,759 --> 00:24:56,680
on that, you know, the sub two minute powerpop songs

519
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,119
that were like the emo version of that sort of thing.

520
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 3: Now it is kind of just more like nice. I

521
00:25:02,519 --> 00:25:02,839
like this song.

522
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 2: I think it's you know, I like that it has

523
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,119
that kind of slightly country thing to it mixed with

524
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,960
the mortuis and emo elements.

525
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 3: It makes I think it.

526
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 2: This is already sticking in my memory more than anything

527
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,160
off of the last album. I think the chorus is, Yeah,

528
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,559
really like bizarrely catchy for how kind of like downcast

529
00:25:20,599 --> 00:25:22,359
it is, which I think is like that that that

530
00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:23,680
sort of sweet touch.

531
00:25:23,599 --> 00:25:24,319
Speaker 3: That Joyce men have.

532
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I think this is I think this

533
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,039
is cool and it's it's like got a kind of

534
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,880
American a thing going on with it, which I'm always

535
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,839
gonna kind of like be a little bit into when

536
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,440
these sort of bands draw and that. So yeah, instantly,

537
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,799
what what this sort of shapes into it? This is

538
00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:39,200
a kind of like a one off thing of them

539
00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:40,359
doing this sort of thing, and the rest of the

540
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,640
album is just kind of going to lean more into this.

541
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,640
If they are on this a I'm gonna play about

542
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,079
and kind of explore sort of territories beyond their sort

543
00:25:49,079 --> 00:25:50,359
of typical realms.

544
00:25:50,759 --> 00:25:52,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, but at the same time, the kind of like

545
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,440
jangly acoustic does also make it feel slightly more the

546
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,279
Smiths than like the Head or already been, So yeah,

547
00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:00,920
I agree that it does kind of stick out a

548
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,359
little bit more than maybe some of the more recent material.

549
00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:06,119
There is an album announcement as of yet that I

550
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:07,960
have seen, but I imagine there must be one sort

551
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,240
of coming on the lines similarly on that same front

552
00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:12,039
where we don't have an album right now, but we

553
00:26:12,079 --> 00:26:13,759
do have a track that we're going to talk about

554
00:26:14,599 --> 00:26:19,359
is the band Gairia, the Portuguese black metal band who

555
00:26:19,599 --> 00:26:24,160
have signed with Century Media and with that signing out

556
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,799
went they've put out a new song called Submerged, and

557
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,960
I wanted to bring this up and sort of check

558
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,720
in with Gairia, particularly with you, Sam, because I'm interested

559
00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:35,119
to hear the perspective of someone from outside of like

560
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,400
where I am, because this has been going on for

561
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,039
a little while, right Gairia. If you you know, if

562
00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:44,359
you sort of casually follow black metal, you on all

563
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,480
the stuff that's sort of maybe making waves outside of it,

564
00:26:46,519 --> 00:26:48,279
you maybe will have heard of this band. They've been

565
00:26:48,279 --> 00:26:50,440
around for it. They've got a few records now. We

566
00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:52,799
have reviewed some of their records, like you know, in

567
00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:58,359
the past, but they have kind of increasingly over their

568
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,279
sort of you know, career so far. They started off

569
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,279
as you know, a European black metal band, but they

570
00:27:04,279 --> 00:27:07,559
have kind of increasingly gotten I'm gonna use the word

571
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,799
shinier right in a way that seems to appeal less

572
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,279
to the core sort of you know, underground fan base

573
00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:19,480
of black metal fans and is more sort of becoming

574
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:24,400
a much more polished kind of you know, poking their

575
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,160
head up above out of that scene. And over the

576
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,400
last few years it's been, you know, again in a

577
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,200
very insular sort of way where I don't know how

578
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,079
many people outside of the scene will be aware of this,

579
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,759
but it's been interesting to observe the kind of like

580
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,319
fan reaction to this band where if you go into

581
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,759
like the comment section of a black metal festival where

582
00:27:43,799 --> 00:27:46,839
Gayria have played, right or being booked, there will be

583
00:27:47,079 --> 00:27:48,759
a bit of kind of back and forth in the

584
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:53,559
comments about this band, and you know, if they are

585
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,359
you know, they are becoming one of those bands who

586
00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:57,920
sort of feel a little bit like, you know, a

587
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,240
certain faction of true black metal fan is just they're

588
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:06,599
a pop band now, you know. And I said to you, Sam,

589
00:28:06,839 --> 00:28:08,759
I was like, I'd be curious to hear your take

590
00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:11,319
on this song, and you replied, oh, you mean black

591
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,720
metal sleep token, because that has kind of become like,

592
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,519
you know, a thing that has been thrown around.

593
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 3: It is what I've seen them most over the last

594
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:21,960
sort of week or so.

595
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm just seeing a bunch of like

596
00:28:24,519 --> 00:28:27,880
things about like seeking pery, like the black metal band,

597
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,839
because I like casually was aware of this band. I

598
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,920
knew they were like a kind of anonymous black metal

599
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,720
band like that I guess had some cleaner elements, but

600
00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:39,400
I never kind of picked them as like a band

601
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,920
that would still you know, I like I have Death Evan,

602
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,759
They've got cleaner elements, but they don't you know, get

603
00:28:43,759 --> 00:28:46,920
picked up by those sort of fans. So I kind

604
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,279
of like in that kind of lane of black metal

605
00:28:50,279 --> 00:28:52,759
bands along the side the likes of Death and you know,

606
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,759
some of like Black Braid, which is like black metal

607
00:28:56,839 --> 00:28:59,319
that is kind of like got some kind of like

608
00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:03,359
attention beyond the sort of the crypts of the usual

609
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,440
black metal goers.

610
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: And it's accessible.

611
00:29:05,519 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wondered, like I was like, so what is

612
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,359
it about career that I'm particularly now that's suddenly got

613
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,880
sleep tooken fans in it beyond the anonymous sort of

614
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:14,640
like a sex and all that.

615
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:15,759
Speaker 3: And then I listened to this new thing.

616
00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: I was like, I thought these were a black I like,

617
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:21,079
I genuinely like the new song was the most kind

618
00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:23,880
of like this isn't the band I thought there was?

619
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,680
And I was like, no, no, no, it was, and

620
00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:28,480
I kind of have listened to a selection of songs,

621
00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:31,720
of course, and I can kind of track transition from

622
00:29:31,759 --> 00:29:33,759
the earths of being more black metal, still again being

623
00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:36,960
a bit more polished, to the last album, which was

624
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,319
like again as shiny sort of like like artsyer or

625
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,279
like what like all these sort of like really polished

626
00:29:43,359 --> 00:29:45,480
ort of like emotional black metal sort of things could

627
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,599
but it's still I could talking of like translation know

628
00:29:47,839 --> 00:29:50,279
that's you know, a treveler black metal, if that's a blastbeat.

629
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,559
Speaker 3: The vocals still got that slight wretch to it.

630
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,279
Speaker 2: And then this news song why departs of this sound

631
00:29:56,279 --> 00:29:57,200
like the Amity Affliction.

632
00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:02,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I again, I've seen this kind of happen

633
00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:05,039
in real time where from you know, their earlier releases,

634
00:30:05,079 --> 00:30:07,279
and then I've seen them live I think twice now,

635
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,880
and I remember being struck by and I've said, you know,

636
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,759
when I've reviewed them, that their stage presence, they you know,

637
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:14,960
they have the kind of the hooded, anonymous look which

638
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,039
the mainstream now associates with a sleep token and sell

639
00:30:17,079 --> 00:30:20,119
and but in it's kind of the azure black metal look, right,

640
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,680
you know, you know, not a band we'd like to

641
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,960
mention too much, But like when Maguire broke out, it

642
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,799
became kind of really de facto that sort of what

643
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:28,839
a black metal band looks like more likely now than

644
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,640
a sort of full on corpse painting thing, right, you know,

645
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,400
Anonymous Hoods, you know are kind of black leather jacket,

646
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,200
that kind of look, and Garria sort of had that look.

647
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,480
But then their stage presence doesn't really feel like a

648
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,240
black metal band the way they move, particularly the front man.

649
00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:47,400
I was like, you know, you're dressed as like Uada

650
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,759
or someone, but you move more like a metalcore band.

651
00:30:50,079 --> 00:30:52,359
And I saw them at Fortress again and that was

652
00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:54,079
where I really saw the sort of split to people

653
00:30:54,119 --> 00:30:56,319
who are like, this band are incredible, and then I

654
00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:57,759
get a lot of the other die hard kind of

655
00:30:57,799 --> 00:30:59,480
black metal fans who were like, you know, they're the

656
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,799
thing I'm not interested at at this festival, and this

657
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,920
song is you know, I kind of liked some of

658
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,839
the earlier material, but as their records have gotten more shiny,

659
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,640
they have lost my interest really, but this song is

660
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,480
a leap beyond that, where the clean, atmospheric bits in

661
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,039
this song, I mean, it's interesting that you've said what

662
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:19,000
you've said, and I can't deny it, but they genuinely

663
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:22,559
sound like kind of twenty ten's atmospheric metal core, like

664
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,000
your sort of post Bring Me the Horizon Architects kind

665
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,319
of stuff. And then the scream comes in, particularly in

666
00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:31,480
the chorus when he uses it melodically, and it's it's

667
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:36,839
a metalcore scream, like it's yeah, it's full on, polished emotive,

668
00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:40,480
you know, yearning cinematic kind of metalcore, but with a

669
00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:43,960
black metal sort of touch and foundation to it. And

670
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,039
if you know, if not necessarily the full hyperbole of

671
00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:48,799
like black metal sleep Token or whatever, it is a

672
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:50,799
blacktal equivalent of those kind of songs.

673
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,279
Speaker 3: And the reason I went for AMNTI Vixer is because

674
00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:54,240
they keep singing about water.

675
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,319
Speaker 2: That was it's reasonable, but like things I don't, I

676
00:31:58,319 --> 00:32:00,680
don't dislike the song. I was like, like the bits,

677
00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:02,480
I was like, yeah, you know, when I really liked

678
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,119
this sort of metalcore, I was like, it does come

679
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,759
home with some of the more like stirring moments, and

680
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:10,200
I think musically there is more interesting stuff going on

681
00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:12,119
than a lot of those other bands that we would

682
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,480
kind of like compare this too. But it was the

683
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:17,079
vocals that were just like really distracting, Like there's a

684
00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:19,279
few bits like the vocals and there's like a clean

685
00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:21,920
guitar part, which is like what all of those medical

686
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,000
bands would do. Just before the chorus comes, the bigger

687
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:27,119
motive chorus comes in, you know, like you know exactly

688
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,079
what I'm talking about like that, And then when the

689
00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:32,039
clean vocals, I was like, this feels like I was like,

690
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,319
I can understand, Like again, I'm not wanted to sort

691
00:32:35,319 --> 00:32:37,119
of like, yeah, elitism is good all that, but I

692
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,680
was like, no, I can understand if black metal fans

693
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,279
want to you know, turn their nose uf like this,

694
00:32:41,319 --> 00:32:41,720
because this.

695
00:32:41,759 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 3: Feels like a leap like and it's not.

696
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,039
Speaker 2: I don't think it's gay, but I just think it's like, no,

697
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,160
you have to draw liners to what like And again,

698
00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:51,720
people argue about genres and what is what genre and

699
00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:53,759
all that, and some people a lot of like clee

700
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:56,160
metical fans, people are like, oh, genre doesn't matter anymore,

701
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,400
Like no, no, genre does actually help, Like it's nice

702
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,400
to have a category. But I'm like, I get why

703
00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:03,759
black metal fans want to be like, no, gayria, They're

704
00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:05,839
not a black metal band if this is what they're doing,

705
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,279
Like we're kind of like drawing that line. I think

706
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:11,519
that's fair because I think on this song in particular,

707
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,519
black metal is like a touch in the music, like,

708
00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:22,079
but it's so like scant in comparison to the amount

709
00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:23,160
of metalcore that's going on.

710
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I for again, For a few years now,

711
00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:30,000
I've sort of watched gay Aria turning into what I

712
00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:31,880
would kind of describe as sort of like a gateway

713
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,680
black metal band, right in the way that you know,

714
00:33:33,759 --> 00:33:35,759
bands like Watte and or Behemoth were for you know,

715
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:39,920
people like me ten fifteen years before or whatever. But

716
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,920
I have thought, like, you know, you're not necessarily making

717
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:46,079
the classics I think those bands are making. But now

718
00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:49,319
if they're gonna go full like commercial black metal, metal

719
00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:52,720
core or something like, I find it sits kind of

720
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,640
weird where I don't really know how to feel about

721
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,079
it because it's a band who again started off being

722
00:33:57,079 --> 00:33:58,839
compared to fucking maguire or whatever.

723
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what like recommended artists on like enough music,

724
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,480
and it's McGuire, and like that was like I could

725
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,119
not imagine sleep Tang fans or stumbling on Maguire or

726
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,760
the mcguireosurgence happens as a result of that, but.

727
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,199
Speaker 1: But there now, like I can genuinely imagine like an

728
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,719
Architects fan enjoying this more than someone on that side

729
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,599
of the musical spectrum. So it's doing it's kind of

730
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:23,880
it's you know, doing a number on my head. I

731
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,159
don't know how to feel about it, but I do

732
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,360
think a lot of people whose eyes maybe normally glaze

733
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,360
over when I start haanging on about black metal will

734
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,519
probably like this song. So I'm I'm fascinated where this

735
00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:36,639
goes out if they're like really jumping into that direction.

736
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,719
So we haven't got an alum announcement just yet, but

737
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,519
there I imagine one must be coming as well, so

738
00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:43,480
the trackers could submerge and I would be fascinated to

739
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:46,639
hear both what like you know, real black metal fans

740
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:50,519
and also more casual sort of outside lookers have to

741
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:54,119
say about this song. We have an insane amount of

742
00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:56,880
album announcements for specifically the month of October here that

743
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,199
have come through that I'm just gonna whittle through. I'm

744
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:02,519
going to sort of do it in release date order.

745
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,280
So the band Woad, speaking of Blackmount of the UK,

746
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,239
black metal band who are one of my favorite black

747
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,000
metal bands, certainly in this country. Their last record was

748
00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:12,800
in my Top twenty of that year it came out.

749
00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:14,760
The follow up to that record has been announced. It's

750
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,480
called Uncrossing the Keys. It's going to be out on

751
00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:20,960
October the third, so forward to that. The legendary US

752
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:23,239
funeral doom band, one of the heaviest bands in the

753
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:28,719
world Evoken, have got their record out on October the seventeenth.

754
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,000
It's called Mendacium. That's a band who has can off

755
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,480
to be the case for kind of funeral dumage bands,

756
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,599
they often take like seven eight years between a record,

757
00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:38,079
so you know it's coming round. It's due, so there

758
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:42,400
we go. Also out on October seventeenth is the comeback

759
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,400
record from Coroner, the legendary sort of technical groove thrash

760
00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:51,039
band from the eighties and early nineties, and they are

761
00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:54,599
releasing their first record since nineteen ninety three. They've been

762
00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:56,360
playing live for quite a while, but they've got a

763
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,880
new record coming out on October the seventeenth, and the

764
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,800
single that is out. I thought that was pretty cool

765
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,960
for again a kind of band coming out for after

766
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,280
that amount of times. So I'll be intrigued by the

767
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,719
new Coroner record on the same day, the new Tribal

768
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,719
Gaze record. This is one of those sort of brutal,

769
00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:16,440
you know, very like meat headed caveman kind of death

770
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,559
metal bands that are very popular amongst you know, maybe

771
00:36:18,559 --> 00:36:20,280
the kind of hardcore fans with the into death metal.

772
00:36:21,079 --> 00:36:24,440
Their record is going out on October seventeenth. It's called

773
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:28,559
Inveighing Brilliance and there's a song out called Beyond Recognition.

774
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,280
Now we're going to get to another song that we

775
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,519
are going to talk about a little bit more because

776
00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:35,519
it's a staple band of the TNN world. It's Conjurer,

777
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,800
who have announced their third full length album called Unself,

778
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,519
which is going to be out on October the twenty

779
00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:44,880
fourth via Nuclear Blast, and there's a song out from

780
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:49,159
that called hang Them in Your Head. Conjurer are as

781
00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:50,440
I've just said, they are one of kind of the

782
00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:53,199
key sort of TNM bands in terms of, like you know,

783
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,639
bands in the UK, heavy bands who sort of trajectory

784
00:36:56,639 --> 00:36:58,440
we've watched kind of come up from day one, and

785
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,639
they have released, you know, some records that you could

786
00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:03,920
maybe argue are kind of modern classics of that kind

787
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,440
of scene of movement. Particularly think about the impact their

788
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,159
debut record Maya made in twenty eighteen. It does feel

789
00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:13,280
like Kondura kind of really seem to come and go now,

790
00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:16,039
Like I know they're often around, they're often playing shows

791
00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:18,920
and stuff, but it feels like they really kind of

792
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,000
hide themselves away and work on records for long periods

793
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,960
of time and then sort of emerge. And it feel

794
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,199
like that happened between album one and two, and it

795
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,880
seems to have happened again between album two and three.

796
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:31,920
So you know, I'm interested in what that maybe does

797
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,440
for their general momentum or presence or whatever. But this

798
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:37,679
new Kundra track obvious, I'm looking forward to the record

799
00:37:38,159 --> 00:37:41,280
because I've liked everything they've done so far, but this

800
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,559
new track, there's a real doom edge to that first

801
00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:50,320
rift that's really miserable. And sometimes maybe it's again because

802
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,519
they had like Wretch popping off on the debut and

803
00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:55,119
like Trivium and employed to serve fans or whatever would

804
00:37:55,159 --> 00:37:57,159
like them, you can sometimes think of them as almost

805
00:37:57,159 --> 00:38:00,320
like a mosh band, but they are like heavy, owing,

806
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,079
miserablest kind of metal, and that's what this song reminded me.

807
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,679
Speaker 3: It's what's funny, is like I needed me.

808
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: I was like yours said they've been touring with a

809
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,239
lot of like metalcore bands, so I was wondering when

810
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,159
down that, like yeah, and then hiplan this is like

811
00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:19,199
oh no, no, they're fucking like they are, like, because

812
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:20,760
this was the thing that took the second album a

813
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,159
bit of time for me was how after you know

814
00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:25,280
that person Will had those moss parts to it, the

815
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,639
second did kind of really lay into the bleak like

816
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:31,039
sadness of the Doom Side. I was kind of like,

817
00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:34,519
I was like, oh, yeah, no, this is still nasty,

818
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,320
like depressive doom metal that has that does like when

819
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,119
it fucking goes off, goes stupidly hard.

820
00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:41,559
Speaker 3: But I was like, oh no, cool you are you

821
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:43,639
are still doing that. You're still keeping true.

822
00:38:43,519 --> 00:38:46,519
Speaker 2: To that kind of like doom side, but with the

823
00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:50,039
like modern metal kind of bursts in it. I think

824
00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:51,599
this song is really cool and it's kind of got me.

825
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:54,000
You go, like, yeah, I need new country album now,

826
00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:55,519
it's been long enough. I'm excited.

827
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny because you know you said that, and

828
00:38:57,559 --> 00:39:01,079
I haven't seen them on maybe their recent tours because

829
00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:03,840
they've been playing supporting these bands like Make Them Suffer

830
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,639
or whatever, Like yeah, yeah, I just don't care about,

831
00:39:06,679 --> 00:39:08,039
you know, But then you get to this and like,

832
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:10,599
even when it goes into the blast part, it's still

833
00:39:10,679 --> 00:39:14,199
rooted in like sludgy heaviness even when it's fast, and

834
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,119
there's a breakdown in the middle, but it's a really horrid,

835
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,559
like sludge kind of breakdown. And you know, Brady's vocals

836
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:23,119
sound really piercing next to Danny's kind of, you know,

837
00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:24,920
really muscular singing.

838
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:25,559
Speaker 3: Yeah.

839
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: Again, I'm always interested in New Kundra, but it's funny

840
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,840
the different ways they kind of leach out into the world.

841
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,719
But we will have a third full length from them

842
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,440
on October the twenty fourth. Then the there is a

843
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,239
new band formed out of members of the great kind

844
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,559
of modern legendary grindcore band Gridlink, who broke up and

845
00:39:46,599 --> 00:39:48,280
then came back for a sort of surprise record a

846
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,519
couple of years ago, and then broke up again. But

847
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,360
if you are a fan of Gridlink and you are

848
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,639
wondering where that kind of you know, artistic trajectory may

849
00:39:55,639 --> 00:39:58,480
be going, there is a new band featuring a bunch

850
00:39:58,519 --> 00:40:01,800
of members of Gridlink, including the kind of primary guitarist

851
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,360
visionary Takafumi Matsubara. There's a new band called Barren Path,

852
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,280
and they've described it as what they kind of seemed

853
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,320
to be really from the song it sounds like, you know,

854
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,320
hyperactive gridlinky grindcore, but it's also kind of more death

855
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,039
metal and more heavy and sort of meaty rather maybe

856
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:22,760
quite as futuristic. But there is an album by them

857
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,199
called Grieving, which is coming out on October the thirty firs.

858
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,880
So if you are a big gridlink fan, or in

859
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,880
general a fan of you know, kind of interesting virtuoso

860
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,559
grind and death grind and so on, then that is

861
00:40:33,559 --> 00:40:36,119
obviously going to want to be on your radar. So

862
00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:38,800
let's move on to some other stories, because there's been

863
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,199
quite a lot going on in the world this week.

864
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,480
God Speed You, Black Emperor for me became the first

865
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,039
band I would describe myself as an active fan of

866
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:53,199
to remove all of their music from Spotify, protesting over

867
00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:56,039
Spotify generally being shitty. But if you've been kind of

868
00:40:56,039 --> 00:40:58,400
following this stuff in the last few weeks, there's been

869
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,480
a bit of a concerted kind of movement from a

870
00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:03,920
lot of artists pulling their music from Spotify in protest,

871
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,800
and I think the kind of sort of straw that

872
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,400
broke the camel's back because we all know Spotify's shitty

873
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,400
practice in terms of paying artists and whatnot. But the

874
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,000
kind of thing that a lot of bands have gone, right,

875
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,920
that's enough, is reports that Daniel Ek, the CEO of Spotify, was,

876
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,079
you know, rather than paying artists, using a lot of

877
00:41:18,119 --> 00:41:21,159
those proceeds and funds to put them into investing in

878
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,920
like AI drone military technology. And so there are a

879
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,480
number of bands, King Gizzon and The Lizard Wizard a

880
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:30,079
couple of weeks ago, quite notable in the again really

881
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:31,840
popular band at the moment, they pulled all their stuff

882
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,519
from Spotify, and this week God's Bid You Black Emperor

883
00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:36,719
joined them, which I'm not surprised by at all because

884
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,920
if you follow God'sbeed You, I know they are a

885
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:44,360
very politically minded, you know, left wing, anti capitalists kind

886
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,079
of band, So I'm not surprised by this, but and

887
00:41:47,159 --> 00:41:49,679
I do support the move as well in terms of

888
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,960
the kind of ethical grounding of it. But as I've said,

889
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,840
it's the first band that I'm actively a fan of

890
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,480
who have removed their catalog from that particular streaming platform.

891
00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:01,760
And so Sam I just thought we should check in.

892
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,599
Is this the beginning of a kind of you know,

893
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,280
maybe we have to header expectations and how far it's

894
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,559
going to go. Right. Just because God Speedy, Black Emperor

895
00:42:11,559 --> 00:42:13,320
and King Gizzard are doing it does not mean that

896
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,280
I don't know, fucking Aerosmith or someone is going to

897
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,440
do it for the same reasons. But is this the

898
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,440
beginning of a sort of chain of dominoes of more

899
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,800
and more bands removing themselves from Spotify.

900
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,079
Speaker 3: I think because it's.

901
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,679
Speaker 2: Now you're starting to the actual like prominent band is

902
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,360
doing and not you know, just sort of smaller like

903
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:36,360
downs like God to do, Black Emperor obviously like a.

904
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,079
Speaker 3: Very sort of leisurely no name I said.

905
00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 2: King Gizzard are one of the most like they have

906
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,760
an album every year and they're just you know, very

907
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,039
popular amongst sen circles.

908
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:45,559
Speaker 3: So we bands like this doing it.

909
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: I do think this might like and again I don't

910
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,800
think this is you going to lead to a mass

911
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,599
extus what everyone the leads part Spotify and the platform collapses.

912
00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:54,960
But I do think you're going to start to see

913
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,760
bands get more selective as do they go do we

914
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,199
either just not release I know, I'm like on Spotify,

915
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,880
I don't know the insucts of how it works. But

916
00:43:03,079 --> 00:43:06,079
I think you're still going to see bands following this,

917
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,800
even if it's not every band. I hon't really how

918
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,679
much of an impact is going to make. I don't know,

919
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,559
you know, like these corporations are huge, and it's going

920
00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:16,960
to be like so I take it down, but if

921
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,760
you start to seeing more and more pushback, maybe yeah.

922
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am interesting again how many dominoes are sort

923
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,880
of knocks down largsputes for next year have announced a

924
00:43:28,559 --> 00:43:32,239
UK and European tour. It arrives in February. They're playing

925
00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:35,320
Glasgow and Manchester, Cardiff and London here in the UK.

926
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,679
But the interesting sort of thing about this that I

927
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,079
wanted to again get your sort of thoughts on this, Sam,

928
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,320
is they've announced that there is gonna be a certain

929
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,039
allocation as part of this tour of what they're describing

930
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:50,440
as low income tickets of you know, lower priced than

931
00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:53,960
usual tickets, so that fans can be able to attend

932
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,559
the show who maybe do not have you know, as

933
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:59,199
high incomes to be able to regularly pay out what

934
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,280
you know, shows charging these days. And this is largest

935
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,000
beat right and not an arena band. I imagine a

936
00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:05,159
large new ticket would probably be fairly reasonably priced.

937
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're looking at that.

938
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,639
Speaker 1: At the best of times. But it's a cool idea

939
00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:11,880
that you know they will allocate part of this. I

940
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,440
am sort of unsure how it works. From my understanding

941
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,199
of reading this is it almost seems to work on

942
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:19,119
like an honor system.

943
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:20,119
Speaker 3: Yeah.

944
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:22,639
Speaker 2: It my take on it is an honor system. Of

945
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:27,000
they have so many tickets. These are the cheaper tickets. Please,

946
00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:28,480
if you can afford a.

947
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 3: Full price ticket, buy a four price ticket.

948
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 2: These aren't for you. These are for people who won't

949
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,960
afford them. And this way I love the system. I

950
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,320
don't think it could work for every band. It's kind

951
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:41,599
of one of these things. It's going to need to

952
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:44,559
work for a band who are coming from like a

953
00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:48,760
sort of a punk and dy ethics or background, where

954
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:52,400
like they need to have faith in their fans to

955
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,079
not you know, abuse and exploit it. And maybe maybe

956
00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:58,159
they was just gonna be like how man lest fans

957
00:44:58,159 --> 00:44:59,079
are gonna no, no, I want.

958
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,199
Speaker 3: The cheap ticket. I don't care, and they've gone for that.

959
00:45:02,119 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 2: But I like to believe that Ladispeek fans are a

960
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,039
kind of in tune with the band's message.

961
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 3: And their sort of morals.

962
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 2: And they kind of go like, no, we do want

963
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,559
to like you know, not spoil this nice gesture and

964
00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:17,159
kind of like just the people who this was intended

965
00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:19,800
for then miss out. But yeah, I think it's a

966
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,639
really cool idea. I just you know, I can't see

967
00:45:21,679 --> 00:45:23,679
it working at every show, yeah.

968
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,639
Speaker 1: Because you know, God knows, we don't trust people to

969
00:45:26,679 --> 00:45:30,119
behave normally around tickets, you know, And I think it's

970
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:35,119
a lovely idea, and I agree, I don't know how

971
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:37,559
this would translate to like, you know, any larger show,

972
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:40,920
particularly the shows that actually have fucking real problems with

973
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,599
the ticketing prices and the practice and everything, which is

974
00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:45,519
not really the same around like you know, a kind

975
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:48,239
of mid tier hardcore band, like a largest Pete or something.

976
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,239
But it's a nice idea, and maybe Large Pete fans

977
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,639
are just really nice and able to you know, kind

978
00:45:53,639 --> 00:45:56,239
of behave normally with this, So I think because.

979
00:45:56,199 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 2: If we have a history of doing these, you know,

980
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,679
like every unboxing day they do these pay what you

981
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,599
want for our albums and the money will go to

982
00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:05,039
charity and people that are they said that they're all free,

983
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:07,559
but if you pay where you pay them and people

984
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:09,400
do like pay for those, so that there is a

985
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,599
kind of like a build up over the years of

986
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,119
kind of like charitability and kind of like shared ethics

987
00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:17,639
and support among the band and fans that I think

988
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:21,840
they feel like they can deploy this idea and the

989
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,239
fans not exploit it. So I think it's like, I

990
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,119
don't think it's totally out of like our point FILA disputes,

991
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:30,320
sort of like expect their fans to behave and let

992
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,280
these low income tickets go to the right places.

993
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

994
00:46:34,519 --> 00:46:37,559
Speaker 1: Bad Omens have announced an arena tour in the UK

995
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:40,360
and Europe. They're playing Alexandra Palace amongst others, and one

996
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,559
of the openers for that band is the Ghost Inside,

997
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,280
So that's where they're at these days. Higher Power have

998
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,480
announced their first UK headline tour in four years off

999
00:46:48,519 --> 00:46:53,599
the back of their new record. They're playing Glasgow, Manchester, Newcastle, Liverpool, London, Bristol,

1000
00:46:53,639 --> 00:46:58,639
Brighton and Swansea. Sangue Sugar Bog have announced a European

1001
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:03,239
and UK tour and that features a bill that again

1002
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,440
is big for Harkle fans and snapbacks who like a

1003
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,840
bit of death metal because you have like you have

1004
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:13,039
Sangue Suger Bog, the Italian sort of Luccio Fulci themed

1005
00:47:13,079 --> 00:47:15,760
band Fulci, who I think are quite good. There's the

1006
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,079
band Gates of Hell and who else could open it

1007
00:47:18,119 --> 00:47:22,159
but of course Celestial Sanctuaries here in the UK. So

1008
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:26,280
that is coming to you again in February early next year.

1009
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:27,559
Speaker 3: Black Braid.

1010
00:47:27,639 --> 00:47:30,199
Speaker 1: Speaking of them earlier off the back of their you know,

1011
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:34,239
I think quite well liked Black Braid three album that's

1012
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,119
just come out. They're gonna be doing a UK run

1013
00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:38,840
in April and that is going to have the UK

1014
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,480
band Winter Phillith as well as noctam as guests on

1015
00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:45,079
that tour. So that's a pretty awesome black metal tour

1016
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:47,400
that's going out there. This is an announcement that just made

1017
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,039
me go wow, and I'm not surprised by it at

1018
00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:50,920
this point, but it just feels like the latest cap

1019
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,480
on this ongoing saga. Acid Bath have announced that they

1020
00:47:54,519 --> 00:47:57,880
are going to be doing a actual arena show in

1021
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:01,760
you know, their home city of New Or on November

1022
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,320
the fifteenth, and the band playing right under Acid Bath

1023
00:48:05,679 --> 00:48:10,639
is none other than Mastodon, and this also features Power Trip, Amigo,

1024
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:15,559
The Devil, Soilent Green and Souplex, but Acid the Acid

1025
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:17,639
Bath Reunion now going to the point where they're headlining

1026
00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:20,880
an arena show above Mastodon and Power Trip is fucking

1027
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,639
crazy and it's an incredible bill.

1028
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:25,599
Speaker 3: Acid Bath ND being one of the weird, oh feel

1029
00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:30,239
good stories of the year of these freaks like like rock.

1030
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:33,199
Speaker 2: Star legends and reaping the rewards about I'm like, good

1031
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,320
on your like again.

1032
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,639
Speaker 3: Acid Bath headlanging arena with that music.

1033
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 2: I don't know how that works, how that makes any

1034
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,559
sense to anyone, but I'm like, good on you get

1035
00:48:43,559 --> 00:48:46,199
that bag, like and and like you put together a

1036
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:47,760
hell of a bill for this to be like a

1037
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:53,119
kind of like outside like bands who all kind of

1038
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:55,320
like you can kind of see a through line from

1039
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,199
Acid Bath for like through stuff like Amigo the Devil,

1040
00:48:58,239 --> 00:48:59,679
I think power it's a bit like an order but

1041
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,920
like call to them on there. But yeah, I mean

1042
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,480
this is this is one of those things I'm like

1043
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,519
never gonna go to. We're never gonna get to the

1044
00:49:05,519 --> 00:49:07,719
Acid Bath because why would they come over here when

1045
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,519
they can headline of readers in America now, like is

1046
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:12,599
what it is, but like it's cool in it.

1047
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then sadly we're gonna We're gonna bookend the

1048
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,440
news here with you know, shitty news. But you know,

1049
00:49:18,519 --> 00:49:21,079
two giants I would say of the you know, the

1050
00:49:21,079 --> 00:49:24,880
T and M Stratosphere, bith Byford from from Saxon and

1051
00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:27,320
Thomas Lindberg from At the Gates as well as many

1052
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,119
many other great bands that you should hear, have both

1053
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,519
made announcements that they're undergoing cancer treatment. At the moment,

1054
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:38,320
the Thomas Lindberg report sounds fucking rough. Apparently he's had

1055
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,639
surgery that have resulted in like part of the roof

1056
00:49:40,679 --> 00:49:44,119
of his mouth being removed, and he says that there's

1057
00:49:44,159 --> 00:49:46,599
a new At the Gates album you know coming, but

1058
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,599
that he recorded all of the vocals for it in

1059
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,239
one day before having his vocal surgery, just so they

1060
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,519
knew no matter what happened, they would have some of

1061
00:49:55,519 --> 00:49:58,320
that album in the tank, which is fucking crazy. And

1062
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:02,719
he is the motherfucking champ. But all of our best wishes,

1063
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,760
you know, go to go to those two guys. So

1064
00:50:06,519 --> 00:50:09,400
let's carry on with the show. Quite a lot of

1065
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:10,960
news that we've gone through, but we are going to

1066
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,239
bring back some questions here. And first of all, Ben

1067
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,840
Wilmot asks you've done this podcast for a while. Now,

1068
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,000
do you ever revisit top twenty albums from say, twenty

1069
00:50:19,039 --> 00:50:22,679
eighteen or twenty twenty one, or does the endless treadmill

1070
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,400
of new stuff, deep dives and beloved albums from before

1071
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,800
you've joined the pod mean they all get forgotten about

1072
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:32,320
after the thirty first of December. I would say that

1073
00:50:33,079 --> 00:50:36,480
to a degree, I think maybe people inflate how differently

1074
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:40,519
we behave doing this than otherwise, because I mean, you know,

1075
00:50:40,519 --> 00:50:42,320
I can speak for myself, because I'm a fucking nerd.

1076
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:47,280
I did like top twenty album stuff before I joined TNA,

1077
00:50:47,639 --> 00:50:49,800
and you know, before I started writing for magazines and

1078
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,880
started becoming you know, like getting paid to do it

1079
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,239
or whatever, I was a nerd, so i'd do it,

1080
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,199
you know. And I don't think it's especially changed too

1081
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,000
much obviously, Like, yeah, stuff is competing for time all

1082
00:51:02,039 --> 00:51:03,599
the time. We do have a good amount of our

1083
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:06,639
listening and our plan you know, directed by what we're

1084
00:51:06,679 --> 00:51:10,440
working on at any given time, but you know it, obviously, Yeah,

1085
00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:13,159
I'm not going to get the time always to pick up, Hey,

1086
00:51:13,199 --> 00:51:15,639
what was my Number seventeen album in twenty nineteen and

1087
00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:18,320
kind of whip it out, But you know, I still

1088
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:23,119
love basically all that music. And if something comes on

1089
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:25,719
you maybe something comes on shuffle or I, you know,

1090
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,079
I just get the brain wave. I see something reminds

1091
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:28,960
me of like, oh, I haven't listen to that. I

1092
00:51:29,079 --> 00:51:31,159
just stick that on. I will do it, you know.

1093
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,199
And I look back at like, so the first year

1094
00:51:33,199 --> 00:51:34,679
that I did a Top twenty four T and M,

1095
00:51:34,679 --> 00:51:37,199
which is twenty eighteen, I look down at my Top

1096
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:41,119
twenty and there's you know, there's Wataan and Ghost and

1097
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,920
Architects and Bleeding Through and Behemoth and Roller to MASSI

1098
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,199
and all this stuff. And I still think all of

1099
00:51:47,199 --> 00:51:49,360
those are great records. And yeah, some of them I

1100
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,519
probably haven't put on in a while, but if I

1101
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:53,719
was to get the brainwave to do so, I would

1102
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,519
put it on and still have a blast with it.

1103
00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:59,159
So I do think that, you know, in general, I

1104
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:01,079
think we often say they're too much music to have

1105
00:52:01,079 --> 00:52:04,760
a full, you know, ongoing at all times relationship with,

1106
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,079
but sometimes going years without listening to a record and

1107
00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:10,159
then putting it on and being like, man, they're still rips.

1108
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:11,880
It's not the end of the world. You know, you

1109
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,079
can still have a meaningful relationship with an album in

1110
00:52:14,119 --> 00:52:17,639
that way without having a mandated once a month time

1111
00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:18,159
to put it on.

1112
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like my listening is it's kind of

1113
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,599
like is much dictated by like vibes, where Like there'll

1114
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:26,360
be some albums where like I will love, but I

1115
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,320
won't always want to listen to, Like some albums that

1116
00:52:29,679 --> 00:52:31,960
like I will kind of reach for every couple of

1117
00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:33,280
months to kind of just be like, yeah, no, I

1118
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:33,880
need to you know.

1119
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:34,639
Speaker 3: Remind us of this.

1120
00:52:34,679 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 2: But the others where I'm like, well, I just won't

1121
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,920
necessarily in and might listen to like singles from that

1122
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:41,000
album and and kind of like bits here and there.

1123
00:52:41,039 --> 00:52:42,280
But every now and then I'll just gonna get the

1124
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,840
urge to be like, ah, then let's actually you know,

1125
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:45,599
go back to.

1126
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 3: Uh I come albums from my head.

1127
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 2: But like a hardcore album that would have been in

1128
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:53,000
my top twenty from a couple of years ago that

1129
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:55,320
was kind of like I got twenty minutes just throw

1130
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:55,800
this on and.

1131
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,119
Speaker 3: Remind myself of like how much this album is. Maybe

1132
00:52:58,199 --> 00:52:59,320
want to run for a brick wall.

1133
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: But I mean, even before you know the news we've

1134
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,440
had this week this year is the most I've listened

1135
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:10,079
to Masterdon's hushed and grim since twenty twenty one when

1136
00:53:10,119 --> 00:53:11,320
it came out, and I initially had it in my

1137
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,639
top twenty because again it's a long album and everything,

1138
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,119
and I enjoyed it enough to put it in my

1139
00:53:16,119 --> 00:53:17,960
top twenty at the time. And then maybe I did

1140
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,639
not have you know, tons of time where I'm listening

1141
00:53:20,639 --> 00:53:22,800
to that record. But this year, like a few much guy,

1142
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,719
I picked up on vinyl finally, and then I was

1143
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,039
refreshing myself on it ahead of just you know, the

1144
00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:30,199
Masterdon coming back live and everything, and then obviously, you know,

1145
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:31,760
with the Brent News this week, I'm going to be

1146
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,880
listening to Masterdon in general for you know, a good

1147
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,000
while anyway. But like that's an example of an album

1148
00:53:36,039 --> 00:53:38,199
that I had in my twenty then kind of maybe

1149
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:39,719
didn't touch so much for a couple of years, but

1150
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,960
very organically this year I picked it up again.

1151
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,679
Speaker 2: I mean, that's when there's an all of that recently

1152
00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:45,960
where my album of the Year in twenty twenty two

1153
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,199
was radical by Every Time I Die, and given like

1154
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,400
what happened notching on after that, I kind of like

1155
00:53:53,679 --> 00:53:55,679
hadn't touched that album. I know, I'm go I still

1156
00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:59,280
love that album, but I just the feeling to listen

1157
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,360
to that every Time I album in particular didn't catch

1158
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,119
me for a while, and then given recent podcasts of activities,

1159
00:54:06,639 --> 00:54:08,280
I was listening to a fuck load of every Time

1160
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,000
I Die and then going back to that album and

1161
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,679
being like, man like again, it's a shame how I ended.

1162
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,000
But this has been the loss of a Time I

1163
00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:16,039
Die album where it's kind of like the most every

1164
00:54:16,039 --> 00:54:17,920
Time I Die album. I've kind of like, go, fuck,

1165
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,880
this album is incredible and I do still love it

1166
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,960
even if I haven't listened to it much since you know,

1167
00:54:23,039 --> 00:54:26,000
it would have been early twenty twenty three when all

1168
00:54:26,039 --> 00:54:30,480
that shit imploded. So again, just sometimes what goes on

1169
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:33,920
around these albums can affect like when we listen to them,

1170
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,320
but give enough time and you might then like, say,

1171
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,079
just them the mood might hit you.

1172
00:54:38,639 --> 00:54:40,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think I've kind of made peace

1173
00:54:40,679 --> 00:54:43,360
maybe with the fact that I'm not going to be

1174
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,599
able to just like listen to the same few albums

1175
00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:47,480
all the time as much as I did when I

1176
00:54:47,519 --> 00:54:50,599
was a teenager. But I still think, you know, knowing

1177
00:54:50,639 --> 00:54:53,199
you love something, but maybe picking it up here and

1178
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:54,880
there over the years and you go a few years

1179
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:56,559
not listening to it, but then when you return to it, it

1180
00:54:56,559 --> 00:55:00,440
still means something to you. Is still a you know, compelling,

1181
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,360
meaningful relationship to have with a piece of music. And

1182
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,440
when you are having that relationship with fucking hundreds of

1183
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,760
albums at a time, you know, filling in wherever, they

1184
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:12,719
do still love it. So there you go. Tom Fellow's

1185
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,400
Howcroft says, Hollywood loves a remake. T and M has

1186
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,679
been going strong since twenty fifteen. This is more of

1187
00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:19,679
an idea than a question, but here goes. Would you

1188
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,280
ever consider essentially looking back at the first ever episode

1189
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,440
and evaluating it based on what records were reviewed and

1190
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,519
the state of the scene versus now. For example, I'm

1191
00:55:27,519 --> 00:55:29,639
pretty sure neck Deep were reviewed on that episode with

1192
00:55:29,639 --> 00:55:31,039
Life's Not Out to Get You and they are huge.

1193
00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:33,239
Now maybe do it as a special I would say

1194
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:37,119
keep your ears peeled for a couple of weeks time,

1195
00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:39,239
because it is the tenth anniversary of that so the

1196
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,000
meal coming up soon, and we had some ideas that

1197
00:55:42,039 --> 00:55:45,400
were floating around. They chime somewhat with some ideas that

1198
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,119
have been floated here, So yeah, just keep your eyes peeled.

1199
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,000
Sean O'Brien asks do you think this is really it

1200
00:55:52,039 --> 00:55:54,119
for Megadeth or will they pull a Slayer move and

1201
00:55:54,159 --> 00:55:56,719
return again after a few years. Has this changed your

1202
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,800
opinion on the order the Big Four will retire? I

1203
00:56:00,199 --> 00:56:04,440
am both very reluctant to put a hard, full stop

1204
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,719
on anything, as we've seen with Slayer, But I'm also

1205
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,519
very reluctant to go full cynical. No, they're doing it

1206
00:56:11,519 --> 00:56:12,840
for the money, and then they'll be back in two

1207
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,480
years and it'll be like nothing ever happened.

1208
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:15,559
Speaker 3: I think you know.

1209
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: I said this when me and Elliot briefly discussed the

1210
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,039
Megadeth news a couple of weeks ago. Does this leave

1211
00:56:21,079 --> 00:56:25,440
the door open for future performances as we've seen with Slayer, Yeah,

1212
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,320
it does, But I also think you have to think

1213
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,559
mathematically about it to a degree, and like Slayer, you know,

1214
00:56:32,679 --> 00:56:34,480
have a few years on the others now in terms

1215
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:40,960
of retirement kind of calendar. Because Mustane is Dave Mustaine

1216
00:56:41,039 --> 00:56:44,039
is sixty three years old. By the time they've released

1217
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:45,519
this album and done the farewell tour for a couple

1218
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:47,239
of years, as they've said they're going to do, he'll

1219
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:51,519
be sixty five, sixty six. Maybe. Do I think they

1220
00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:53,519
are going to you know, have four years off and

1221
00:56:53,559 --> 00:56:55,639
then come back as a full top as a full

1222
00:56:55,679 --> 00:56:59,199
touring ban We Mustane is seventy. No, I don't think that.

1223
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:03,079
You know, it might not be the last Megadeath performance ever.

1224
00:57:03,159 --> 00:57:05,119
You know, we've seen this for Black Sabbath, right, But

1225
00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:08,639
I think the more years go on. As much as

1226
00:57:08,679 --> 00:57:10,760
we like to be cynical and be like, yeah, there's

1227
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,840
always opportunity where people get paid enough money or whatever,

1228
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,760
I think we also have to acknowledge that time is

1229
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,000
not stopping and these guys are getting older and older

1230
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,519
and older, and the later these bands choose to retire,

1231
00:57:23,079 --> 00:57:25,639
the later they are also able to reunite again.

1232
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 2: That was kind of my fall when it was I

1233
00:57:28,039 --> 00:57:30,480
was like, the've announced, you know, this is the last album,

1234
00:57:30,519 --> 00:57:32,760
the last tourn but again, how long is this sort

1235
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,840
of last album tour cycle gonna last?

1236
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,199
Speaker 3: It's going to be what two years? Do we reckon?

1237
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,360
I don't know, have they like I'm not.

1238
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,679
Speaker 2: Massively tuned like the meg thing at the moment, but

1239
00:57:42,239 --> 00:57:44,800
I'm guessing you know, there's going to be a world tour,

1240
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,960
a festival season, and probably another tour as like the

1241
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,039
final tour on the.

1242
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 3: Back of that isn't there.

1243
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:54,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, my final show will be earliest twenty seventeen, I

1244
00:57:54,599 --> 00:57:57,960
would say, sorry, twenty twenty seven, Yeah, fucking decade behind

1245
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,559
early twenty twenty seven, maybe more like twenty eight.

1246
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like, And that's the thing is that actually

1247
00:58:03,519 --> 00:58:07,000
that's gonna take Mustange well into sort of his mid sixties,

1248
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,480
unless they're only gonna then be broken up for.

1249
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,599
Speaker 3: Two years week Again, I doubt it. I think it

1250
00:58:13,639 --> 00:58:14,239
feels kind of.

1251
00:58:14,239 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 2: Realistic to say this is probably the end of Megadeth

1252
00:58:18,039 --> 00:58:21,039
as a Again, maybe you get a one off show

1253
00:58:21,519 --> 00:58:26,039
some there'll be some big event happening where Megadeth will

1254
00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:28,280
kind of like be called on to play. You could

1255
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,239
get that, But I don't of all the bands of

1256
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,840
the Big four to sort of sort of say we're

1257
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,880
calling it, I think Megadeth might be the most finite

1258
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,119
where if they say they're done, I think.

1259
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 3: They might be done.

1260
00:58:40,239 --> 00:58:43,079
Speaker 1: Maybe I would certainly say that. So obviously Slayer went first.

1261
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,559
I'm not surprised that Megadeth would be the second of

1262
00:58:46,599 --> 00:58:48,280
the Big four to go because they are the one

1263
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,599
where in the last few years we've been most aware

1264
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,440
of health problems within the band.

1265
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 2: Thing as well, that I've been thinking of is obviously

1266
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,000
Mustane's healthy, is using and all of that.

1267
00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:00,599
Speaker 1: So, you know, when I've seen Megadifa recently, I have

1268
00:59:00,679 --> 00:59:02,199
been sort of aware of, like, you know, these these

1269
00:59:02,239 --> 00:59:04,039
are some of the last times I'll see this band,

1270
00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:06,559
I'm sure. So I'm you know, I would have predicted

1271
00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:08,519
that Negadif will be the second to retire, and then

1272
00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:12,199
it's out of Metallica and Anthrax, and Metallica get more money.

1273
00:59:12,239 --> 00:59:14,639
Maybe Anthrax will just go forever and ever and ever,

1274
00:59:14,719 --> 00:59:19,920
because that's what they've always done in Yeah, so I

1275
00:59:20,199 --> 00:59:22,840
don't know who will go first out of Metallica and Anthrax,

1276
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:27,159
but I'm not surprised by the Negadith news. No, and

1277
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:31,320
Paul Terry asks, what was the most surprising performance you

1278
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,840
saw from an artist during this summer's festival season. This

1279
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,440
can be good or bad. So the festival season, right,

1280
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,239
so I guess we can start it. We were at

1281
00:59:39,239 --> 00:59:43,400
Incineration together, you were Outbreak and two Thousand Trees. I

1282
00:59:43,559 --> 00:59:46,000
was at Fortress, Bloodstock and Mystic.

1283
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,119
Speaker 3: We can count slam Dunk.

1284
00:59:48,039 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: Slam Dunk as well. I've forgotten that one, actually, now

1285
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:52,360
I remember what you saw at slam Dunk. Maybe that's

1286
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,679
the answer. We can count the back to the beginning

1287
00:59:54,719 --> 00:59:56,519
show as well, like even though we weren't there personally,

1288
00:59:56,559 --> 00:59:58,679
we've all seen tons of it, and then the big

1289
00:59:58,719 --> 01:00:01,079
outdoor shows from the likes of Slayer and Death Tones

1290
01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:03,480
as well. It's been a massive summer, as we've been

1291
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,079
saying the whole time. So if we're now sort of

1292
01:00:05,079 --> 01:00:07,079
at the end of it, that's count all of that together.

1293
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so'm I don't think I saw many like shows

1294
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:15,960
that were really surprising, Like apart from I guess I

1295
01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:20,199
have to go with and I swore as my enemies

1296
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,559
that ended up having a mostly fun time with until

1297
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:27,159
they fucked it up. But Electric Cool Boy, I genuinely

1298
01:00:27,199 --> 01:00:30,159
didn't think I would enjoy it. I went in like curious,

1299
01:00:30,159 --> 01:00:31,880
but I was like, it's not gonna welcome me that

1300
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:32,880
they're a rubbish band.

1301
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 3: They're awful, they're terrible.

1302
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,119
Speaker 2: It's not gonna work. And then I was like, fuck,

1303
01:00:36,159 --> 01:00:40,400
it's working. They're kind of like explosion of energy.

1304
01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 3: And pyrotechnics and all of that nonsense in the sort

1305
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:44,679
of slam out same way.

1306
01:00:44,679 --> 01:00:47,639
Speaker 2: Again, it hadn't been a banner slam dunk here anyway.

1307
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:50,519
It's particularly on some of the heavier bands. It was

1308
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:53,000
kind of just like, this is just a bit of

1309
01:00:53,119 --> 01:00:57,360
like pizazz and wow factor that this slaming has been lacking.

1310
01:00:58,199 --> 01:01:01,119
And then again they screwed up where I could see

1311
01:01:01,159 --> 01:01:03,320
the real hit factory at the end.

1312
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:04,639
Speaker 3: But it was a.

1313
01:01:04,599 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 2: Surprise to walk away from an Electric Collboys set and

1314
01:01:07,519 --> 01:01:10,199
not feel nothing but complete hatred and anger and actually

1315
01:01:10,239 --> 01:01:12,079
be like, pretty financially aren't.

1316
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:15,559
Speaker 1: They Yeah, although we should stay for the record that

1317
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,719
you were still complaining about their cover section and acoustic parts,

1318
01:01:18,719 --> 01:01:19,639
which which fair.

1319
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 3: Enough that they fucked it.

1320
01:01:22,639 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 2: They did that, Yeah they still you know, it was

1321
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,239
about a solid forty minutes before that where I was

1322
01:01:27,239 --> 01:01:30,599
having which it would not have told happened in January

1323
01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:31,199
this year or whatever.

1324
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: Like sure, so I said on the Bloodstock review a

1325
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:36,920
couple of weeks ago that my, you know, the most

1326
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,159
surprising band of the festival for me were maybe this

1327
01:01:39,239 --> 01:01:41,559
band Dogma, who were kind of the sexy nuns heavy

1328
01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:42,239
metal band.

1329
01:01:42,039 --> 01:01:43,519
Speaker 3: Who want to see them? They sound fun?

1330
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, who I went into not really knowing their music,

1331
01:01:46,119 --> 01:01:49,119
but they were really fun live, I guess. Obviously, Trivium

1332
01:01:49,199 --> 01:01:51,280
kind of surprised everyone with what they turned their set

1333
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,719
into with fucking Master of Puppets and three from sleep

1334
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:58,159
Token and and Singing in Waves and all that crazy shit.

1335
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,079
Ministry and static X were also both baffling in different

1336
01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:05,039
kind of ways. I think back to Hate Breed at

1337
01:02:05,079 --> 01:02:08,239
Mystic Festival and that set list opening run that I

1338
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,400
was telling people about and just remember going fuck me, like,

1339
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,960
Hate Breed being great is not a surprise, But coming

1340
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:15,679
out the gates as hard as they did did like

1341
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:19,440
I had to recalibrate my whereabouts a little bit beherit.

1342
01:02:19,719 --> 01:02:24,000
I didn't expect quite that level of fucking explosiveness sonically

1343
01:02:24,039 --> 01:02:27,000
from them. And again, you know some of the polls

1344
01:02:27,039 --> 01:02:28,880
from back to the beginning obviously, you know we spoke

1345
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,719
about fucking Johnny Blade and you know Good Years under

1346
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:34,320
the Sun, which I got to see that one in person,

1347
01:02:34,599 --> 01:02:37,840
Bloodstock fucking Wicked World from Slayer, right, Like, that's such

1348
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:38,679
a crazy.

1349
01:02:39,079 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 3: Weird moment in that set.

1350
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know a lot of people would say Young

1351
01:02:42,679 --> 01:02:45,800
Bloods changes as well, So yeah, I mean, just on

1352
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,000
this particular category alone, it has been a fairly eventful

1353
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,519
festival season and summer, I would say, so cheers everybody

1354
01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:55,000
for your questions. As we come to those, they tend

1355
01:02:55,039 --> 01:02:58,480
to come from the That's non at all group on Facebook,

1356
01:02:58,519 --> 01:03:00,480
So go and get yourself in on that if you

1357
01:03:00,519 --> 01:03:03,599
want to be part of this. For this, let's talk

1358
01:03:03,679 --> 01:03:07,000
about what we did on Patreon this week. And this

1359
01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:10,760
is a very eventful segment this week because we had been,

1360
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,679
you know, in this kind of little segment rre I'm like,

1361
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:14,679
we've got something coming up. I've been trying to tiptoe

1362
01:03:14,719 --> 01:03:16,320
around it, trying to tease a little bit, but it's

1363
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,239
out in the open now. A lot of you guys

1364
01:03:18,239 --> 01:03:22,119
have heard it, and as I knew it would be,

1365
01:03:22,239 --> 01:03:24,400
as it always is when we kind of lean a

1366
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:28,639
little bit more, Fascicle gets a really fun positive reaction

1367
01:03:28,719 --> 01:03:31,599
from people. The special that we put out last week

1368
01:03:31,679 --> 01:03:34,159
on the that Storm of Patreon for everyone who kindly

1369
01:03:34,639 --> 01:03:37,719
keeps his podcast alive by contributing a little bit our way,

1370
01:03:38,199 --> 01:03:41,000
was a special that we ended up calling the Trial,

1371
01:03:41,199 --> 01:03:45,480
specifically the Trial of hair Metal versus New Metal versus

1372
01:03:45,559 --> 01:03:49,000
metal Core, which is a template we had cooking for

1373
01:03:49,039 --> 01:03:50,679
a little while and we finally got down to do

1374
01:03:50,719 --> 01:03:53,119
it and release it out into the wild, and it

1375
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,559
is some of the most fun we've probably ever had

1376
01:03:56,639 --> 01:03:57,280
doing a special.

1377
01:03:57,960 --> 01:03:59,199
Speaker 3: It was crazy.

1378
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,159
Speaker 1: It produced so so many fucking out pocket moments and

1379
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,159
so many laughs. If we have not heard the special,

1380
01:04:05,199 --> 01:04:07,639
I will pitch it to you vusly if you are

1381
01:04:07,679 --> 01:04:09,639
familiar of when we've done our Battle specials and we

1382
01:04:09,719 --> 01:04:11,840
put things versus each other and we have a kind

1383
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:15,320
of level headed debate over it. This is not that

1384
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:20,559
this is out and out war because the genres of

1385
01:04:20,599 --> 01:04:23,840
hair metal, new metal, and metal core were all assigned

1386
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:28,159
a lawyer for the defense, a TNM host to live

1387
01:04:28,239 --> 01:04:31,960
and die for that cause. Mark Sanderson had hair metal

1388
01:04:32,199 --> 01:04:35,039
on his plate, Elliott Paisley had new metal, and Sam

1389
01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:37,199
Here had metal core. And as we went through the

1390
01:04:37,199 --> 01:04:39,280
series of categories that are you know, comparable to what

1391
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,559
we've done on our Battle Specials, they each selected a

1392
01:04:42,679 --> 01:04:46,000
champion from their scene to go out there. But we

1393
01:04:46,039 --> 01:04:48,920
had a convoluted series of rules and stuff to really

1394
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,679
make it fun and really make it interesting. And the

1395
01:04:51,719 --> 01:04:54,760
results of that were matchups I can safely say no

1396
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:58,239
one has ever ever put together before. No one has

1397
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,400
ever compared the ourists that the three of you put

1398
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:06,199
together for most consistent band together and compared them on

1399
01:05:06,239 --> 01:05:10,960
that level before. And like I said, the barbs. They

1400
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,159
were they were flying the sam This was incredible, wasn't it.

1401
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:15,719
Speaker 3: I was so much fun.

1402
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 2: Like again, I say stuff that I've now There are

1403
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,360
recordings of me saying stuff that I don't believe, but

1404
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,679
I had to say it in the moment because this

1405
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:28,000
is It's taught me true Melk Warriors I needed now

1406
01:05:28,039 --> 01:05:29,960
more than ever where some of the people have questioned

1407
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,719
my decisions for putting some of the most foundational like

1408
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,000
important medical bands and sort of saying that's not mel

1409
01:05:36,039 --> 01:05:37,199
Court it's a metallic hardcore.

1410
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,519
Speaker 3: What is metallic cardcore? I asked you, what is it?

1411
01:05:40,679 --> 01:05:40,719
Speaker 1: Like?

1412
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 3: It got heated, it got funny.

1413
01:05:43,639 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 2: I had to almost say bad things about someone who

1414
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,199
I love more than coachings in the world and couldn't

1415
01:05:48,199 --> 01:05:50,639
bring myself to do it. The one moment where you stop,

1416
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:56,320
I flinched. I couldn't do it. But Elliott coming out

1417
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of a bombshell that early like threw me off my game,

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like insane takes Mark Sanson. Laughter is like the greatest

1419
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:08,880
medicine and that where there was a lot of laughter

1420
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in that special so much fun.

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Speaker 3: I like, I feel like it's one.

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Speaker 2: That we can't always wheel out because it needs to

1423
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be the right kind of like magical kind of like

1424
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moments to it. But this was like capturing that moment

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of like we are all locked in for war.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: People have asked us if we're going to immediately go

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and do another one of these. I would say, treat

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it like a great movie. If we get a great

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idea for a sequel, we will do it, but we

1431
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,199
don't want to force it and ruin the magic too early,

1432
01:06:38,239 --> 01:06:41,519
because there was something so perfect about the alignment of

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01:06:41,559 --> 01:06:43,960
like these three things, with the what they did to

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each other. Yeah, and you know that the hosts or

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having one to kind of like get behind. If we

1436
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come up with a great idea to do another one,

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01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,679
we will, But this one, I would say, is a

1438
01:06:56,719 --> 01:07:00,559
special that people should hear if they were to hear

1439
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:04,119
how zany this stuff can get. People have been having

1440
01:07:04,159 --> 01:07:06,639
a lot of fun with it, and we had so

1441
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:10,239
much fun putting it together in the weeks beforehand, you know,

1442
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,559
picking your categories and all that stuff, and then the

1443
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few hours of just going to fucking town. It is

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01:07:18,239 --> 01:07:20,440
it's the event of the year here on. That's not well,

1445
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:21,760
I can say that much. So if you want to

1446
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,079
get in on that, you can go to patron dot

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01:07:24,079 --> 01:07:27,320
com slash That's not Metal and just have an absolute

1448
01:07:27,519 --> 01:07:30,559
blast with us. Let's close this up with the releases,

1449
01:07:30,599 --> 01:07:34,039
and we've got two weeks worth of releases because we

1450
01:07:34,119 --> 01:07:36,400
didn't cover them last time when we did the Bloodstock review.

1451
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,159
I think it was and for some reason here in

1452
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like these couple of weeks of August, which is normally

1453
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,760
not the busiest month, these two weeks, particularly this Friday,

1454
01:07:44,239 --> 01:07:46,639
have absolutely popped off. So I'm gonna be here for

1455
01:07:46,639 --> 01:07:48,760
a little while, but get your notepads out and I'm

1456
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,119
going to let you know the releases that you should

1457
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:54,039
be aware of. So first of all, from last week,

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01:07:54,119 --> 01:07:56,840
the fifteenth of August, first one I'm going to talk

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01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:00,960
about is Rise Against Ricochet and Sam. I've heard from

1460
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:02,800
you and some other people as well who are discussing

1461
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,280
this that considering the last Rise Against the album Nowhere

1462
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,440
Generation was really good, their best one in a while,

1463
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,840
I get the impression of this one isn't really up

1464
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to it.

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Speaker 2: It's it's not like there's just weird decisions made on

1466
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:19,840
this album production in particular, but it it's the first

1467
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one in a while I've gone like, ah, the fire

1468
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is not there like the sort of thing I turned

1469
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,600
to Risers against for that that passion and that sort

1470
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:28,720
of hanging off of Tim's word it is missing.

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Speaker 3: And this is like again band I love.

1472
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Speaker 2: This is the first one of theirs, like which I

1473
01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:34,159
might go like this might be born on the pile.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, bumma really yeah shame. Then we've got Jerry valanceon

1475
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,960
Bray with hyper Youth. They are back yet again. They're

1476
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,199
releasing pretty much a record every single year. This one

1477
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:45,800
it has a lot of the classic Joey valanceon Bray stuff,

1478
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:47,520
but it also has them sort of branching out doing

1479
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,319
some more sort of introspective material and stuff at times

1480
01:08:50,399 --> 01:08:53,079
that's interesting to hear. Then the band Justice for the Damned,

1481
01:08:53,079 --> 01:08:55,359
which this band kind of I've forgotten about. They've they've

1482
01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:57,640
come back here with a record called Stay Relentless, and

1483
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I guess sort of like a metallic hardcore, you know,

1484
01:09:01,319 --> 01:09:04,640
hardcore punk kind of band. Then in your kind of

1485
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:07,520
like you know, sort of indie emo, alternative rock kind

1486
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:09,760
of spheres, there's a band Pool Kids with a record

1487
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,000
called Easier Said than Done. And in a similar realm,

1488
01:09:12,039 --> 01:09:14,439
the band Kerosene Heights with Blame It on the Weather,

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So there's you two for that fix. This week, Unleashed,

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one of the original sort of Swedish Viking death metal bands,

1491
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,199
are back with a record called Fire upon Your Lands.

1492
01:09:24,199 --> 01:09:26,720
If you're like a bigger Monomath fan, you've never heard Unleashed,

1493
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:28,840
and you want to kind of work backwards on the timeline,

1494
01:09:29,039 --> 01:09:32,640
then I would recommend doing so. Similarly, Scandinavian death metal

1495
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:34,520
with a bit of a heavy metal edge. The band

1496
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:38,359
based with Colossal. Then from America there is a band

1497
01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:41,560
Castrata with Coronation of the Grotesque. This is a sort

1498
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,479
of brutal death metal band. The vocalist is the same

1499
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,319
vocalist as the thrashband Vicious Blade, who we've covered and

1500
01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:49,600
being very positive about in the past. This is her

1501
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,840
and you know some other women doing very violent, kind

1502
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,920
of feminist in them gory, brutal death metal. So that's

1503
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,960
cool if you like that stuff. Pano to Con, the

1504
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:02,119
great American bluegrass influenced black metal band, have put our

1505
01:10:02,119 --> 01:10:06,600
two records last week called Laurentian Blue and Songs of

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01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:08,960
High Wraith. One of those is a new record of

1507
01:10:09,239 --> 01:10:13,239
entirely kind of the folk and country leanings of Panopticon

1508
01:10:13,399 --> 01:10:16,399
and the other one contains more extreme material, but it's

1509
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:18,159
more sort of material that has been recorded in the

1510
01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:19,800
past and is kind of being unearthed and sort of

1511
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,359
brought together here. So those are out if you want

1512
01:10:22,359 --> 01:10:24,840
some sort of blackened post metal type stuff. There's a

1513
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:28,520
band Phosphorus with a record Frail Grasp of Broken Hands. Then,

1514
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,399
for the second time this year on Hyperbar blasts the

1515
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,880
band fell Omen, which is kind of a one man

1516
01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:38,079
dungeon punk black metal, medieval armor type affair, with a

1517
01:10:38,119 --> 01:10:42,560
record called Kaylee Dog Summer, an EP from the band

1518
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:48,079
fire Starter. This is straight edge hardcore with still holding on.

1519
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:50,359
And there was a sort of I guess EP sort

1520
01:10:50,359 --> 01:10:53,319
of release from Cottle of Luna, who put out Beyond three,

1521
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:55,560
four and five, which, if you remember the last cot

1522
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:57,560
of Luna album, The Along Road North, there were two

1523
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,880
little interlude tracks Beyond one and two. Apparently there were

1524
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:01,800
more of those that weren't fit onto the record where

1525
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:03,000
they've released them, and I think one of them has

1526
01:11:03,039 --> 01:11:04,600
like a Williams or someone on it. So there you

1527
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:06,920
go today the twenty second, and this is a really

1528
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,399
big day for releases. The biggest one is of course

1529
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:13,239
Deaftones private music that will of course be our you know,

1530
01:11:13,319 --> 01:11:15,479
lead review on the show that we are going to

1531
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,119
come at you with next week, where we'll talk all

1532
01:11:17,119 --> 01:11:19,720
about what we think of the new Deathtones album. Pendulum

1533
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:21,760
a back for their first album in like well over

1534
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:26,439
a decade called Inertia. Three Days Grace a back with

1535
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:29,880
a record called Alienation. We came as Romans are back

1536
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:33,039
with a recordord All is beautiful because we're doomed. So

1537
01:11:33,199 --> 01:11:36,760
it's a great day for really relevant bands. There's also

1538
01:11:37,399 --> 01:11:41,000
Hot Mulligan with the record The Sound of Body Makes

1539
01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:44,000
When It's Still, which when it comes to this kind

1540
01:11:44,039 --> 01:11:47,920
of like emo pop punk whatever you want to call them,

1541
01:11:48,039 --> 01:11:49,520
we were looking down this track list and we're like,

1542
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:53,039
I don't think we're moved, particularly by Monica Lewinskibberdy, Like.

1543
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:58,600
Speaker 2: I should like Hot Mallagan, but the song tracks are

1544
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:00,920
just so operting the song time, I'm like, I can't

1545
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:03,359
take you seriously, no matter how like much of one

1546
01:12:03,399 --> 01:12:06,600
of my like ernest kind of like emo pop punk songs.

1547
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 3: These stupid song titles. Yeah.

1548
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:11,199
Speaker 1: Then there is the return of the great brit rock

1549
01:12:11,279 --> 01:12:14,960
band Dinosaur Pile Up with an album called I Felt

1550
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:19,079
I Felt Better, The emo band who are again kind

1551
01:12:19,079 --> 01:12:21,600
of you know, on those peripheris between post hardcore and

1552
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:23,800
hardcore and stuff like that. The world is the Beautiful

1553
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:25,960
Place and I'm no longer afraid die. They've got their

1554
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,760
new album called Dreams of Being Dust. Also in I

1555
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:31,039
guess or sort of brit rocky fair, there's a band

1556
01:12:31,039 --> 01:12:34,199
called Really Big, Really Clever, with an album called Huh.

1557
01:12:34,359 --> 01:12:37,359
Then there is a band called Faced Out with a

1558
01:12:37,399 --> 01:12:41,000
record at Eternity's Edge, which is full on ninety style

1559
01:12:41,079 --> 01:12:46,439
metallic hardcore. There is fire Schwans, of course, if you've

1560
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:50,159
heard our blast review with the night Club Nightclub record

1561
01:12:50,359 --> 01:12:55,119
is out. Another heavy metal band, Burning Witches. They've got Inquisition,

1562
01:12:55,359 --> 01:12:57,680
the deathcore band Signs of the Swarm one of those

1563
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:00,359
kind of upcoming popular death core bands. They've got Rid

1564
01:13:00,399 --> 01:13:04,000
Myself of Truth Arcadia, which is actually brand Dayla from

1565
01:13:04,039 --> 01:13:07,439
mastod On his kind of like synth prog funk whatever

1566
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,359
kind of weirdo cosmic project. It's really like, it's full

1567
01:13:10,399 --> 01:13:13,920
on synthy, dancy craziness. There got out with a record

1568
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:17,520
called The Exodus of Gravity. Then I think from Church Roads,

1569
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,960
kind of blackened screamery type stuff. There's Malovich under a

1570
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:26,000
Gilded Son the great long running Teutonic thrash band disaster.

1571
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:26,319
Speaker 3: With an E.

1572
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,239
Speaker 1: I've got a record called Kill All Idols and your

1573
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:33,960
really heavy death doom pic this week comes from Innumerable

1574
01:13:34,039 --> 01:13:38,640
Forms and Pain Effulgence. Two EPs to close us out, Zetra,

1575
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:42,720
the UK sort of synth goth whatever type band. They've

1576
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:45,720
got a record called Believe and another one for the

1577
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:49,039
kind of metallic hardcore fans out there, Fates Messenger have

1578
01:13:49,239 --> 01:13:52,680
Eternal War. So we got through that quite efficiently. Well done, everybody,

1579
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:56,079
cheers for listening. As I said there, next week we'll

1580
01:13:56,119 --> 01:13:58,399
be back with review show for August, where we will

1581
01:13:58,399 --> 01:14:00,640
of course be leading with the Deathtones record. There are

1582
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:02,279
a couple of other records in that list I've just

1583
01:14:02,279 --> 01:14:03,880
mentioned that we'll be in there as well, as well

1584
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,960
as some of the other best and most interesting stuff

1585
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,199
from August that we are selecting to talk about a

1586
01:14:09,199 --> 01:14:11,159
little bit more in depth. So if you want to

1587
01:14:11,199 --> 01:14:13,520
hear that then we will be back here next week

1588
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,720
and thank you everybody for listening right now. As said,

1589
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,119
if you want to hear our crazy crazy special of

1590
01:14:19,279 --> 01:14:23,119
the Trial of Hair versus New versus Core, then Patreon

1591
01:14:23,159 --> 01:14:25,800
dot com slash that's not all is the place to

1592
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:30,640
be and Brent fucking heines Man, Brent hines forever. Cheers everybody,