WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:02.520 Nobody has perfect truth or absolute truth. So maybe it's 2 00:00:02.520 --> 00:00:04.440 out there, but it doesn't exist and we don't have it. 3 00:00:04.480 --> 00:00:07.559 Fine cast it however you want. That's still satanic and principle. 4 00:00:07.559 --> 00:00:08.960 So I mean even the fact that Albert Pike in 5 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:11.720 that sentence is saying that absolute truth is unattainable, is 6 00:00:11.720 --> 00:00:15.320 implicitly stating that Freemasonry makes no claims to have absolute truth. Okay, 7 00:00:15.400 --> 00:00:18.320 is it absolutely true that absolute truth is unattainable. Let's 8 00:00:18.320 --> 00:00:20.039 go back to pre seb one on one right, they 9 00:00:20.120 --> 00:00:22.879 keep skirting the point that I'm making and trying to 10 00:00:22.879 --> 00:00:25.280 make this into some game, and it's not a game. Okay, 11 00:00:25.280 --> 00:00:26.879 So this is a good Bible, and actually it's the 12 00:00:26.920 --> 00:00:28.359 ol in the Bible and truth and then christ don't 13 00:00:28.359 --> 00:00:31.199 have absolute true. Well you don't necessarily have to believe that. 14 00:00:31.760 --> 00:00:33.359 You can be a Mason and disagree with Albert Pike, 15 00:00:33.399 --> 00:00:35.600 thank you. So it's subjectivists and relativest that's my point, 16 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:38.240 and that's why he keeps admitting my point. Satanism. So 17 00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:40.520 it's absolutely it's absolutely synthesizeable, which it. 18 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:45.600 Simply does not concern itself with that. If if we were, hey, 19 00:00:45.640 --> 00:00:49.399 religion in making these claims. I think you'd have a 20 00:00:49.399 --> 00:00:53.079 better case. Okay, there's plenty of plenty of groups within society, 21 00:00:53.719 --> 00:00:56.880 the Boy Scouts, for example, there's a bad example. 22 00:00:56.679 --> 00:00:59.960 The context the contest of the context of Albert Pike. 23 00:01:01.119 --> 00:01:03.520 There's there's tons of groups that have certain base level 24 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:09.879 requirements but then leave subjects that are not the purview 25 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:10.840 or the the these. 26 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:12.519 Alcoholic This is where they try to shift into it 27 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:15.079 being a civic organization like Boy Scouts, and that's not 28 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:16.920 what it is. LIKEX Anonymous is an example, it's done 29 00:01:16.920 --> 00:01:19.000 this a little bit. Well, let's see Alcoholics Anonymous as 30 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:20.519 an example. You have to believe in a higher power 31 00:01:20.560 --> 00:01:22.319 in order to go ait A. Twelve sevens are based 32 00:01:22.319 --> 00:01:26.239 on massonic principles. AA is Yeah, so you think that 33 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:29.560 Alcoholics Anonymous inherently denies christ or is incompatible it was 34 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:31.760 that's a strong man. I'm not trying to do this. 35 00:01:31.799 --> 00:01:33.519 I'm not trying to fuck with the accusing guys. But 36 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:36.719 do you believe that alcohol This is not intentionally a 37 00:01:36.760 --> 00:01:38.159 strong manter distraction. I just want to know your answer. 38 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:40.840 Do you believe that Alcoholics Anonymous is incompatible with Christianity 39 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:43.040 in the same way they believe freemasonry is incapatable. It 40 00:01:43.079 --> 00:01:45.640 depends on how far Alcoholics Anonymous would try to enforce 41 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:48.840 their principles of generic Fiism. So it really depends, uh. 42 00:01:48.879 --> 00:01:51.040 And I mean there's states, there's a degree, there's just say, 43 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:53.840 there's a degree of which it's acceptable. Their statements are 44 00:01:54.319 --> 00:01:57.680 sufficiently vague to allow for all kinds of possible things, 45 00:01:57.680 --> 00:01:59.879 So that would really depend upon the specifics. But alb 46 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:05.159 Pike is argument also, it's not a religious initiation with oaths, right. 47 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:07.159 Alcohol, it's like therapy, right. 48 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:11.159 So I'm not sure by the even though AA has 49 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:13.919 some elements of Masonry as part of it, I'm not 50 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:18.400 sure that it's equivalent to the Masonic initiation and brotherhood. 51 00:02:18.400 --> 00:02:19.599 That's why I keep having distressed. 52 00:02:19.599 --> 00:02:22.039 I don't think that's agreed. Yeah, it's kind of comparing 53 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:25.759 apple storages. It's we're talking about. 54 00:02:24.919 --> 00:02:32.199 It, you know, a secret society with levels of oats 55 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:34.039 initiation that. 56 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:37.400 And religious initiation. That's where this ends up going. 57 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:41.879 And inherently deceptive oats and initiation that compound on each 58 00:02:41.879 --> 00:02:44.840 other and compile on each other with alts of initiation 59 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:50.159 that also contradict Christian dogs exactly, Alcoholics anonymous, just like, oh, 60 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:52.520 you've got to believe in a higher power, and then 61 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:54.400 you know, we sit around me, do a group there if. 62 00:02:54.280 --> 00:02:57.240 You think or whatever, it's it's very, very different from them. 63 00:02:57.319 --> 00:02:59.080 Well, and that's the same point I make with saying 64 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:01.759 the pledge of allegiance later. So yeah, context of God, 65 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:05.759 this whole chapter is about theology, not philosophy. Theology. So 66 00:03:05.800 --> 00:03:08.479 he's saying that in terms of theology, perfect truth, truth 67 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:11.039 is not attainable anywhere. Do you believe that perfect truth 68 00:03:11.120 --> 00:03:13.719 is not attainable anywhere? Well, I believe that Jesus Christ 69 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:14.759 is the Way, the Truth, and the Light. But I 70 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:16.560 don't believe that in our current state we're able to 71 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:21.120 have like an omniscient understanding of absolute truth. I think 72 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:22.560 there's all sorts of things happening in the universe. 73 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:22.879 I don't know. 74 00:03:22.879 --> 00:03:23.879 There's what you know, there's what you don't know, and 75 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:25.000 there's what you don't know that you don't know. I 76 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:26.960 don't claim just because I'm a Christian to have attained 77 00:03:26.960 --> 00:03:29.199 absolute truth. I believe that I've attained absolute truth in 78 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:30.719 the sense that I know who got it. 79 00:03:31.479 --> 00:03:34.159 So say that again the way the truth of the life. 80 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:35.719 But I don't think you can actually know that or 81 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:37.319 have any Yeah, that's what that's all. 82 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:40.919 I think it's actually dogmatic. It's dogmatic to. 83 00:03:40.879 --> 00:03:43.840 Me that you can't have certainty that Christ is exactly. 84 00:03:44.840 --> 00:03:47.439 Yeah, that's where this argument keeps going, Right, It's like 85 00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:50.719 you don't understand that it's a contradiction to say that, Oh, 86 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:53.319 for me personally, Jesus is the absolute way the truth 87 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:55.439 in life. But nobody has absolute way the truth in 88 00:03:55.439 --> 00:03:57.400 the life. It is silly, is And I believe that 89 00:03:57.479 --> 00:04:00.960 Jesus Christ is the son of God Christ. 90 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:02.400 Too, that's the argument, right. 91 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:07.879 Christianity's claims are antithetical to the syncretous subjectivist, relativist claims 92 00:04:07.879 --> 00:04:08.319 of Masonry. 93 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:09.240 That's the whole point here. 94 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:12.319 So in the sense that would you call I mean, 95 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:14.639 would you call that absolute truth? Because when I hear 96 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:16.639 the word absolute truth, I mean all true I think 97 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:18.800 of all truth. So there's nothing in the word absolute 98 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:21.279 truths or objective truth that necessitates omniscience. And so I 99 00:04:21.279 --> 00:04:22.959 think that already asked you with the irony here is 100 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:24.759 that it's the Mason. Yes, I you want to play 101 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:26.879 the word game. Why, I'm not trying to mess with you. 102 00:04:26.920 --> 00:04:29.600 I believe in absolute truth. I am an objectivist, I 103 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:32.000 am not a subjectivist. Okay, just so answer your question. 104 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:32.120 Mark. 105 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:36.600 Now he's contradicted again because Albert Pike says that that's unattainable. Rightly. 106 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:38.600 So the whole point of this was to say that 107 00:04:38.680 --> 00:04:41.279 the teachings of Satanism are that you are your own God, 108 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:42.920 which is what Satan says in the Garden to how 109 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:45.600 of a need you determine reality? You determine what's true 110 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:47.720 and what's false. And the original presentation that you guys 111 00:04:47.720 --> 00:04:49.279 gave as to why masonry is so awesome is because 112 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:51.439 it doesn't have apostles, it doesn't authorities, it doesn't have dogmas. 113 00:04:51.480 --> 00:04:53.240 It's simply a philosophy and you can kind of craft 114 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:54.839 it as you want with it from within it. But 115 00:04:54.839 --> 00:04:56.439 then we saw that no, there's actually a lot of requirements, 116 00:04:56.480 --> 00:04:58.480 a lot of dogmas, a lot of qualifications, and they 117 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:00.839 teach a subjectivist relativist idea at the same time as 118 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:03.600 contradicting it with the idea that there are dogmas and authorities. 119 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:06.600 That was the argument. I don't believe that freemasonry teaches 120 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:10.319 a subjectivist, relativist philosophy. Okay, just because just because Albert 121 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:12.600 Pike says that absolute truth is unattainable does not mean 122 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:14.879 that absolute truth does not exist. I am an objectivist. 123 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:18.079 I believe it's just his opinion. Okay, who does it 124 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:21.439 matter in masonry in terms of who said it? Because 125 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:23.920 there were authorities apparently, so who determines the regular and 126 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:24.879 the irregular lodges? 127 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:28.040 So you can go back to that with these ideas 128 00:05:28.040 --> 00:05:31.000 of the landmarks, each lodge, each grand lodge is the 129 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:35.120 supreme authority in that jurisdiction. It will recognize or unrecognize. 130 00:05:35.199 --> 00:05:36.759 Hey, you're right, FDA. 131 00:05:36.839 --> 00:05:39.519 This is the exact same and trust in this exact 132 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:43.519 same debate with every Protestant about normative authority. Yeah, my 133 00:05:43.600 --> 00:05:47.959 local pastor has a normative authority, but nobody tells me 134 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:50.800 and can buy my conscience and just tells me what what. 135 00:05:51.879 --> 00:05:54.319 It's just like little tree. 136 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:57.439 Masonry is just a decentralized groups. 137 00:05:57.279 --> 00:05:59.639 It's a decentralized. 138 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:02.240 Grouping of the visual pulps who get to decide what 139 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:03.079 the dogmas are. 140 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:05.720 Freemason we are, but also that's not dogmatic. 141 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:07.959 That's also not dogmatic, but it is. 142 00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:10.759 But that's also dogmatic. It's all over the place. Is 143 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:13.319 a horrible this is really sad. I don't think they've 144 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:16.720 really it doesn't seem like they've watched like any of 145 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:17.600 your previous. 146 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:19.279 I don't think they've thought about this. No, they haven't 147 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:22.399 thought about this at a debate level. Chase, what's up man? 148 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:27.680 Hey, it was kind of funny listening to this last 149 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:30.120 last section of the debate, how much it reminds me 150 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:34.120 of obviously like the Protestants, like like that girl Tristan 151 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:38.839 was saying, but also it reminds me of the Ecumenists. 152 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:42.959 It reminds me of the Ecumenists that attack anyone. 153 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:45.680 Who says, you know, Orthodoxy is the truth, you know, 154 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:49.519 like goofy, goofy, effeminine people like Ethan Wayne. 155 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:52.199 And stuff like that. They have the same exact line 156 00:06:52.199 --> 00:06:53.040 of thinking. 157 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:56.199 Well, Ethan Wayne is a Freemason. He shares Masonic stuff 158 00:06:56.199 --> 00:06:59.439 all the time. Oh he does, Yeah, he shares, so 159 00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:01.319 he shares, he shares Masonic stuff. 160 00:07:01.879 --> 00:07:03.240 Yeah, it's just it's just funny. 161 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:06.079 It's not a very deep analysis, but it's the same 162 00:07:06.199 --> 00:07:11.519 exact mentality as the Ecumenists trying to subvert Orthodoxy from within. 163 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:15.040 Whether they're a Freemason or not, it's still the same mentality. 164 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:17.000 And then when you ask them. I don't know if 165 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:19.680 later in the debate do you get into like, hey, 166 00:07:19.720 --> 00:07:21.040 how do you know that. 167 00:07:22.519 --> 00:07:25.360 These other people are predicating the one the same god 168 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:26.199 as you do? 169 00:07:26.279 --> 00:07:28.600 They do they ever give? No? 170 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:29.040 We do? 171 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:29.360 We do? 172 00:07:29.959 --> 00:07:30.199 We do. 173 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:34.639 Come back to this point of me trying to illustrate 174 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:39.319 that they actually have all of these criteria that exclude people, 175 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:42.480 which means that they've moved the goalpost and it's not 176 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:44.199 just a higher power. 177 00:07:44.480 --> 00:07:45.800 So yes, it does come back to. 178 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:49.839 That another brand lodge. So there are authorities and there 179 00:07:49.839 --> 00:07:53.680 are things that will give you unrecognized were So you know, well, 180 00:07:53.720 --> 00:07:55.040 I'm sorry that you don't like me going back to 181 00:07:55.040 --> 00:07:57.120 it when you're referring to the same fallacious argument from before, 182 00:07:57.120 --> 00:07:58.000 I'm gonna go back. Yeah. 183 00:07:58.279 --> 00:08:00.519 I don't see how anything I've SAIDs in Kong that 184 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:04.279 there is a Mason authorities, there is a structure that 185 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:07.600 governs a governance structure of the fraternity. That is completely 186 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:09.639 different than saying that one man Albert Pike or I 187 00:08:09.639 --> 00:08:11.160 didn't make that organize an author I didn't make the 188 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:12.879 argument liary when that was that they aren't authorities. And 189 00:08:12.920 --> 00:08:14.040 then you try to put words in my mouth and 190 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:15.439 say that I saw it. I didn't learn to straw man. 191 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:17.199 I didn't much worse say that there are no authorities. 192 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:20.399 Silence argued in your opening statement, there's no authorities in 193 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:23.839 the context, I specifically pointed out those books and those authors, 194 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:25.839 and I said that one man does not speak for masonry. 195 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:27.839 Okay, there not so like not one man. It is 196 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:31.360 a government structure of freemay doawnery. So you're appredicating and changing. 197 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:33.960 You're moving the goalpost from the opening statement saying authorities, 198 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:35.759 and you're saying that, oh, I just know one dude 199 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:37.360 as an in the opening statement, he said there is 200 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:39.279 no one man who speaks for masonry. But he also 201 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:43.039 said there's no apostles and authorities. So in no context, okay, fine, 202 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:45.440 so there are there is an authority that is a 203 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:46.559 body correct. 204 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:49.120 On behalf of freemasonry. She says that no man speaks 205 00:08:49.159 --> 00:08:50.200 on behalf of free basonry. 206 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:53.759 Yeah, exactly, no one speaks on freemasonry. And I speak 207 00:08:53.799 --> 00:08:58.679 for freemasonry. From Albert Pike speaking for freemasonry. 208 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:04.559 Of freemasonry, I can with the full confidence say. 209 00:09:02.039 --> 00:09:05.639 That exactly that's the whole de bit rare. 210 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:08.559 There's a government structure for other horror. 211 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:13.000 Yeah what get it gets crazy. 212 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:17.159 We haven't even gotten heated yet. Uh, we are approaching 213 00:09:17.279 --> 00:09:19.600 the first half. We're not even got we haven't even 214 00:09:19.600 --> 00:09:21.639 gotten heated yet. Authorities, and you do have authorities that 215 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:23.360 you submit to and you can be removed. 216 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:26.000 I mean, it hasn't gotten past that one all yet. 217 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:28.279 It takes the first hour to get past this point 218 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:30.440 from the lodge, right, yeah, okay, So why did you 219 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:32.039 cast it as if it's a free thinking of sort 220 00:09:32.039 --> 00:09:34.799 of organization with no dogmas. I didn't cast it at that. 221 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:36.879 I started my opening statement by saying that you were 222 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:40.039 going to be bring quotes from individuals and try which 223 00:09:40.039 --> 00:09:41.519 you did do. When you pointed out that the name 224 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:43.759 was Molesen dogma, you attempted to make the argument that 225 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:44.519 this is massa. 226 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:46.960 No, I didn't. No, you missed the argument. You're still 227 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:49.399 fundamentally misunderstand and I and then when I corrected you 228 00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:51.480 that this that the words of alur Pike are not 229 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:54.159 Masonic dogma, we went in this circular argument. It wasn't 230 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:56.200 an all regular argument. It was a contradiction logically to 231 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:58.120 say that there are dogmas, that there's there's a dogma, 232 00:09:58.120 --> 00:09:59.919 that there's no dogmas there, I wouldn't make it, AUGI 233 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:01.960 that was the name of dogma, that there's no dogmas. 234 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:04.320 There's just no there. There's there's just few dogmas. Like 235 00:10:04.519 --> 00:10:06.519 if so there are dogmas, Yes, if you would consider 236 00:10:06.639 --> 00:10:08.639 then the real requirement, if you would consider the requirement. 237 00:10:08.679 --> 00:10:09.519 So now he's mood. 238 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:13.039 Now he's admitted dogmas plural. Notice member Chase said at 239 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:15.519 the beginning there's no dogmas. Then it's okay, there's one dogma. 240 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:19.159 Now he said dogmas plural that you have to believe 241 00:10:19.159 --> 00:10:20.799 in God in order to be a freemason. A dogma. 242 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:23.320 Then by that definition, there is a dogma. Did you 243 00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:25.200 not just then qualify that I can be a Satanist 244 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:27.240 and be a Mason. So there's now other qualifications that 245 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:29.039 would exclude me. So there's more to the dogmas. That's 246 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:30.759 why you guys are being dishonest. Well, isn't. Now is 247 00:10:30.799 --> 00:10:32.720 a definition of dogma different for you guys. That's why 248 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:34.039 I was asking what it is for the auction, not 249 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:35.440 the thing that gets you excluded from the group. 250 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:35.720 How's that? 251 00:10:36.200 --> 00:10:38.720 Yeah, here's dogmas, thank you. So they claimed, but the 252 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:40.559 idea that there's not dogmas is not true. I thank you. 253 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:42.759 That wasn't the point that was made. The point was 254 00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:44.960 that the words of Albert pikern On Masonic dogma. Yeah, 255 00:10:44.960 --> 00:10:46.720 that's a straw man, dude. I didn't argue that his 256 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:48.799 words are dogma. I said that it's funny that he 257 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:50.440 titled his book Morals and Dogma, And I said, the 258 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:53.840 contradiction is the argument that the dogma is there's no dogma. 259 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:56.279 How is it how is it compatible to claim that 260 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:58.919 there are dogmas, which I'm not even disputing, but then 261 00:10:59.080 --> 00:11:02.120 simultaneously claimed that the organization advocates for subjectivism and relativism. 262 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:04.120 I mean, if there's absolute dogmas, then it's inherently not 263 00:11:04.120 --> 00:11:07.480 subjectivist or relativist exactly. That's the point, Chase. It's a contradiction. 264 00:11:08.080 --> 00:11:10.120 I'm arguing, you guys contradict yourself. That's what you do 265 00:11:10.159 --> 00:11:12.200 in today. It's as you point out logical contradictions. Okay, 266 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:14.639 And do you tie it directly to how any of 267 00:11:14.679 --> 00:11:16.279 what we've been talking about for the last twenty minutes 268 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:20.159 or so makes Freemasonry incompatible with Christianity? Well, which is 269 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:22.360 the fine amount quessition, but can't affirm any kind of 270 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:26.639 subjectivism and moral relativism. In terms of even theological authorities. 271 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:28.600 You have to believe there's some kind of theological authorities, 272 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:31.559 which I do and chase us. Yeah, in the theological authorities, 273 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:33.000 Jimmy christ. 274 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:37.440 Yeah, are my dogma when it comes to my religion 275 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:38.279 is Christianity. 276 00:11:38.360 --> 00:11:41.480 It's not Freemadi. Now we get prot slap. This just 277 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:44.360 turns into total slough here, I forgot this part. Okay, 278 00:11:44.440 --> 00:11:49.440 So what Christianity me? Firstly, you're showing them. 279 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:53.360 Also that like your justification for Protestantism is the same 280 00:11:53.440 --> 00:11:58.799 as justification for authority within freemasonry, which also affirms moral relativism. 281 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:01.679 Now do to use myself of my own conscience. I 282 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:03.440 read my Bible, and I figure out to code my 283 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:05.639 Bible and put on the Bible the colder hat, and 284 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:06.360 I and I. 285 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:07.360 Just and I do it. 286 00:12:07.679 --> 00:12:09.440 You put I talk to God. 287 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:11.639 I read the word of God. The Word of God 288 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:12.320 flows through me. 289 00:12:12.399 --> 00:12:14.480 It's like you pull out your you pull out. 290 00:12:14.679 --> 00:12:16.200 Is that where it goes for the next hour? Now? 291 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:19.720 No, no, no, DJ's about to end this part pretty soon. 292 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:23.360 Uh No, you pull out your Joseph Smith peepstone, and 293 00:12:23.399 --> 00:12:25.799 then you read the Bible text through the peep stone. 294 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:27.559 And that's how you interpret it. 295 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:30.480 You read the Bible text through the peep stone, but 296 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:33.840 also you're a Freemason, so you're also you're reading uh 297 00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:36.559 your peepee stone and your Yoni stone. 298 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:37.559 You're correct, your. 299 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:40.919 You'r Shiva Lingham and your and your Shivay. 300 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:47.159 Loosely Protestant. I'd rather not like that's my congregation here, 301 00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:47.519 would you? 302 00:12:47.919 --> 00:12:51.320 Okay? Here's w's my family? Too much? Historic? Your protest Historically? 303 00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:55.039 Are there bodies of people that can determine what's normative 304 00:12:55.039 --> 00:12:56.559 to be a Christian and not not be a Christian? 305 00:12:56.600 --> 00:12:58.000 What do you mean by can? There certainly are that 306 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:00.320 have But what do you mean by can? Do you 307 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:03.279 believe that anybody has the normative authority to declare in 308 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:06.000 church history at any point where, whenever or never, that 309 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:08.159 there are these people that count as Christians and these 310 00:13:08.200 --> 00:13:10.039 people that don't, because it seems absurd to me, because 311 00:13:10.080 --> 00:13:12.840 you guys accept this authority amongst the Masons. But I'm 312 00:13:12.879 --> 00:13:15.240 gonna bet that historically you don't accept that there's any 313 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:17.679 historical group that has that authority. I would say that 314 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:20.879 Jesus Christ has that authority solely historically. Chase after Jesus 315 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:23.720 and is of the Church. Do I believe that anybody 316 00:13:23.720 --> 00:13:25.320 has the authority to speak for God or the theology 317 00:13:25.320 --> 00:13:27.480 of what's true or not true? Does anybody in church 318 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:30.200 history have the normous authority to declare who is and 319 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:32.279 is not a part of this? You mean actually legitimately 320 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:34.679 have the authority or those who have exercised that authority, 321 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:37.039 Because yes, I could look at the Nice Council, I 322 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:38.960 coul say, all right, they authority that they established this. 323 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:41.080 Do you believe that they have the Norman authority to 324 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:43.200 do that? You think they certain? Now, I don't really 325 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:45.039 think that anybody has perfectly been able to speak for 326 00:13:45.080 --> 00:13:47.519 God since Jesus Christ. Okay, so notice that this is 327 00:13:47.559 --> 00:13:51.679 all back to prat slop subjectivism exactly like FDA interest 328 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:53.120 and said it would go. Do you agree or do 329 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:53.840 you have a different system? 330 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:53.960 Oh? 331 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:55.639 Loosely with that? Yeah. By the way, do do you 332 00:13:55.639 --> 00:13:58.039 accept the canon of Scripture? Now? The Canon of Scripture? 333 00:13:58.120 --> 00:13:58.639 Yeah? 334 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:01.919 Yes, sixty six book. Probably I don't know. I don't 335 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:03.759 know that it's relevant. I don't know that it's relevant, 336 00:14:04.480 --> 00:14:07.080 so it's not relevant. Probably I don't. I mean, I'm 337 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:09.159 a Christian, but probably I don't know. 338 00:14:10.960 --> 00:14:14.519 Doors open that you could, Yeah, that's funny. 339 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:16.840 There's a lot of different ways this could have gone 340 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:19.000 from here. Curious where they go with it. 341 00:14:19.240 --> 00:14:23.159 Who decides what books Bible? I'm asking you is the art? 342 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:25.639 Because the fundamental question of the debate is whether or 343 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:28.080 not freemasonry is compatible with Christianity. I want to know 344 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:30.279 why it's not which branch of christian I want to 345 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:31.919 know what you think Christianity is that's relevant. Well, I 346 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:33.679 think Christianity is believe that Jesus Christ is the son 347 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:35.600 of God. That's why. Is it not a fair question 348 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:37.919 to ask if you believe in church history that anybody 349 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:39.960 has the authorities? I be sitting here as a Muslim 350 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:42.080 and having the same debate and making the same points. 351 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:44.559 Irrelevant what my faith is serving my point? No, it's 352 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:46.840 irrelevant what my faith is. How is it irrelevant to 353 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:49.240 the question of whether or not Christianity is compatible with freemason. 354 00:14:49.320 --> 00:14:51.080 You could have two atheists having the same debate where 355 00:14:51.080 --> 00:14:53.120 once said Christianity is compatible with free meal to read 356 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:55.360 another apea says it's not because you claim to be 357 00:14:55.480 --> 00:14:57.919 Christian and representing a form of Christianity that's compatible. I 358 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:00.360 want to know what you think Christianity is real quick, 359 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:02.399 really on just so I don't think this is actually 360 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:05.200 swaying from the prompts, because it's it's actually really important 361 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:07.759 whether or not you accept authority historically in the church 362 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:09.639 or not. Because let's just say, for example, that you 363 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:14.320 accept that the you know, the the emotional call they're 364 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:16.440 putting together of the books in you know, whatever council 365 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:17.919 that was. I can't think about this at right time 366 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:20.960 right now, But nonetheless, there have been other declarations in 367 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:23.519 the Church that freemasonry is to be condemned and you'll 368 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:25.759 be excommunicated. So if you were to, you know, submit 369 00:15:25.799 --> 00:15:28.000 to authority in that sense, that'd be a direct contradiction 370 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:30.960 to so freemasonry at the time. Now, I don't want, 371 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:32.320 I'm sure make your point for you. I'm just trying 372 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:34.159 to demonstrate that I think it actually ties into the 373 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:36.720 debate prompt I'm making the argument again, let me make 374 00:15:36.759 --> 00:15:39.080 it very clear. I'm making the argument that it's ironic 375 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:43.519 that these individuals will accept a decentralized authority about who's 376 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:45.039 in and out of masonry, but when we ask them 377 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:48.200 about Christianity, there's no actual authority or normtive authority within 378 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:49.840 churches or to do anything like that. I think that's 379 00:15:49.879 --> 00:15:50.320 just absurd. 380 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:53.960 Well, equating freemasonry with a religion as such as Christianity 381 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:55.919 is absurd. That's the point that we're trying to make, 382 00:15:56.480 --> 00:15:58.240 and it a lot of lend. My christian beliefs aren't important, 383 00:15:58.240 --> 00:15:59.559 But we're not here to debate. 384 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:01.320 What you says is christian was if you said in 385 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:03.600 your opening savement you said Christianity is above your tie 386 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:06.720 to the lodge, what we're tied? No, I said you did? 387 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:10.039 You said that themersonally? You submit, You said that christ 388 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:12.159 is above the duty to the brothers, of the duty 389 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:14.879 of a mason to his own faith. Well not, my 390 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:17.559 My duty is to Christ over the duty to the lodge. Right, 391 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:20.360 that's my point exactly. Or you see you personally as them, 392 00:16:20.440 --> 00:16:22.039 or more broadly, as like all people. 393 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:24.039 Just like any other. I'm a member of the National 394 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:26.399 City Club. It's say private clause down talent vallsee quations. No, 395 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:27.120 to equate that. 396 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:29.039 To freemasonry is a totally totally fault to take your 397 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:31.879 pick of any group. You know, those groups don't require 398 00:16:31.919 --> 00:16:34.000 a belief in generic monotheism. And well, I think yasol 399 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:35.480 ex Anonymous is a good example. I mean, this is 400 00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:37.480 an organization that requires a belief in the Supreme Being 401 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:39.000 in order to go through the twelve steps. It's part 402 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:40.960 of the twelve steps. And if you're not, your organization 403 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:43.519 is not just requiring belief in a generic theism as 404 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:46.159 we've seen. As we actually suss that out, there's all 405 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:48.120 of these other things that come into play, which is 406 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:50.519 and I'm arguing that the rest of the ethos of 407 00:16:50.559 --> 00:16:52.320 that system and the teachings that you guys have is 408 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:54.559 empathetical to Christianity. First of all, there is no such 409 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:56.519 thing as generic theorism, and I'm illustrating that with the 410 00:16:56.759 --> 00:17:00.039 Satanic point. Yeah, and we sure Freemasonry doesn't add in 411 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:02.759 the generic theism is true. It just accepts people of 412 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:04.160 all face if they believe in it. It never makes 413 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:08.240 a claim that this is even more absurd. So now 414 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:10.640 the Supreme Being, the Higher Being, doesn't even have to 415 00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:13.359 be real. You just have to affirm the proposition that 416 00:17:13.400 --> 00:17:16.920 there's hire supreme Being. All faiths are equal, if we're 417 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:19.559 all it's all the same God. Okay, So how do 418 00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:23.319 you reconcile the potent? Could I, for example, be a 419 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:26.480 member of the Communist Party because they don't make any 420 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:28.400 claims about anything. So let's say that there's a bunch 421 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:30.359 of Marxist Communists and I say I'm a Christian Marxist. 422 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:34.160 Is that does that make sense? I'm not following you. Sorry, 423 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:36.079 He's asking if it's possibly a Christian ana marx Is 424 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:37.640 it antithetical to be a Christian and a member of 425 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:40.519 the Marxist party? I would say, so, okay, problem is 426 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:42.480 it is it antithetical to be a member of a 427 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:45.200 Gnostic sect and to be I'm sure there are examples 428 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:46.880 of people that felt that they were Marxists and Christian. 429 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:48.839 That's not what I might But my ask is it 430 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:53.759 theologically compatible? At no oralism? I would say, no, okay, 431 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:57.240 is it theologically sensible to be a Christian and a Gnostic? 432 00:17:57.960 --> 00:17:59.920 You know what, I think I might change my position. 433 00:17:59.920 --> 00:18:01.799 I'm not a communist by any means. I hate communism, 434 00:18:02.039 --> 00:18:03.200 but I think you could be a Christian and a 435 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:05.640 Communist because I think that we all we all miss 436 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:06.079 the mark. 437 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:09.640 What does that have to do with whether it's theologically compatible? 438 00:18:09.680 --> 00:18:11.920 So you know, every time it comes back to the 439 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:16.920 actual question, it hinges on their subjective feelings, not the 440 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:18.559 actual objective argumentation. 441 00:18:19.599 --> 00:18:20.680 Tristan do you want to say something. 442 00:18:21.400 --> 00:18:24.920 Yeah, I mean, it's just it's ridiculous because the whole debate. 443 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:26.759 I mean, I guess you knew this going in because 444 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:28.839 of the debate prompt you were just like, okay, this 445 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:30.400 is this is kind of a. 446 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:35.480 Softball because well, the debate is about whether freemasonry is 447 00:18:35.519 --> 00:18:40.200 compatible with Christianity. From for most Protestants, they can't even 448 00:18:40.240 --> 00:18:42.599 define who's a Christian, what's a Christian? 449 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:45.079 There are no there are no. 450 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:47.400 Boundaries, there's no landmarks. They talk about. 451 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:50.839 Landmarkies to the body of Christ. It's just it's kind 452 00:18:50.839 --> 00:18:52.039 of up to them to decide. 453 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:56.440 So it's so notice. 454 00:18:57.319 --> 00:19:02.000 Masonry has boundaries, landmarks and ran lodges that determine your 455 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:05.200 regular and irregular status, but Christian energy doesn't have that. 456 00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:08.480 Hilarious Yeah, well, it's funny because masonry is kind of 457 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:13.359 an artifact of a world before Protestantism became so boundary lists, right, 458 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:18.160 I guess right. Protestantism didn't reach its logical conclusions yet, 459 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:21.880 but masonry has maintained the traditions of that world, that 460 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:23.559 reality of kind. 461 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:26.759 Of pre Victorian Victorian elite. 462 00:19:27.359 --> 00:19:33.759 And they're like they're machinations and their pet not a humanism, 463 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:39.000 a pet perennialism project, it maintained their tradition that Protestantism did. 464 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:41.759 That's crazy, our time to be Christian. I mean, there's 465 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:43.039 so many different ways that I think any of us 466 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:45.119 could be pointed out, certainly in judgment the ways that 467 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:47.519 we've behaved or acted or believed. That's hypocritical to the 468 00:19:47.960 --> 00:19:49.960 to the faith. And so I would say that if 469 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:52.400 somebody really genuinely believes that Jesus Christ died rose again 470 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:54.519 for the foraginness of all sins, and they happen to 471 00:19:54.599 --> 00:19:57.359 be of a communist persuasion, even though those philosophi are 472 00:19:57.400 --> 00:20:00.119 inherently incapatable, I can't really think of any political will 473 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:02.440 have to be that's one hundred percent. Again, the question 474 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:05.759 wasn't are there people who are deluded who join the 475 00:20:05.759 --> 00:20:08.519 Marxist Party and believe that they're Christians the art? The 476 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:11.920 question was is it theologically consistent and compatible? 477 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:13.440 So he doesn't. Again they don't. 478 00:20:13.480 --> 00:20:16.799 They never answer the question in terms of like whether 479 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:18.720 it's objectively consistent. 480 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:21.119 They keep going back to, well. 481 00:20:20.920 --> 00:20:23.960 Personally, I could believe that, and I could see a 482 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:28.880 person becoming I'm not asking is it actually physically possible 483 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:31.400 in history that a person thought they were a socialist 484 00:20:31.440 --> 00:20:32.039 and a Christian. 485 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:34.680 The question is is it consistent. 486 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:37.480 Growing with Christianity other than just Christianity. Is it possible 487 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:39.119 to be a Gnostic and a Christian at the same time? 488 00:20:39.160 --> 00:20:41.880 Define Nasticism, the early Christian sect that teach the Gnostic 489 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:44.039 teaching well Diile arsenal belief is gnarscissism. 490 00:20:44.079 --> 00:20:46.359 It's heretical, but I think I think a Gnostic would 491 00:20:46.519 --> 00:20:47.240 believe themselves to be. 492 00:20:47.319 --> 00:20:49.279 So you keep saying my personal beliefs. You don't think 493 00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:50.640 that it is objectively the case. You just think that 494 00:20:50.680 --> 00:20:53.079 it's subjective. So this is the Masonic might double He's 495 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:55.839 say it's true because this is arsenal belief. Yeah, Darry, Well, 496 00:20:55.839 --> 00:20:58.000 they're protest not right, So I mean, are you the 497 00:20:58.039 --> 00:21:01.079 only so orthox and Catholics say different than I mean? 498 00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:03.279 Is ups to each Protestant to or decide that for themselves. 499 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:06.039 You gave a different framework of a belief than you do. 500 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:11.000 So again, like the initial argument that there's no authorities, 501 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:13.039 which was qualified to be there are authorities in the 502 00:21:13.039 --> 00:21:15.759 sense of bodies who govern in the Masonic orders and 503 00:21:15.799 --> 00:21:18.720 decide who's in and who's out tells me again that 504 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:20.640 what you find is at every point when you really 505 00:21:20.680 --> 00:21:23.480 boil into what they mean, it gets redefined to be 506 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:25.680 the very thing that they initially said. And the sales 507 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:27.799 pitch is not that right. So the sales pitch is 508 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:29.839 it's a free thinking society of men building a better 509 00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:32.480 world to make men better. What is the standard by 510 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:35.000 which you judge and know what makes something better or good? 511 00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:38.279 What's the value judgment there? You know that's a good question. 512 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:40.559 I don't know that it's explicit. There are certainly opinions, 513 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:43.640 there's certainly a culture. It's relative, but it's not arguing 514 00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:47.039 for relativism. It's arguing for everybody pursuing the best version 515 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:50.079 of themselves without making so many explicit claims to what 516 00:21:50.119 --> 00:21:53.200 that relative. Let me ask you this, Jay, would you 517 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:57.839 say that Lutheranism is incompatible with Christianity? We don't recognize 518 00:21:57.880 --> 00:22:01.319 Lutheranism as Christianity. Okay, what about out any form of Protestantism, 519 00:22:01.400 --> 00:22:04.400 whether it's Baptist, Church of Christ, just not christian. 520 00:22:04.759 --> 00:22:06.039 This is an emotional appeal. 521 00:22:06.119 --> 00:22:08.519 So Chase goes into just appealing to the audience that 522 00:22:08.599 --> 00:22:11.359 if I'm not a humanist, then I'm mean so I 523 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:13.000 think I called this out as an emotional appeal to 524 00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:15.200 Christian name, but not authentically. Okay. 525 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:20.240 So the thing when the debate we had with them, 526 00:22:20.359 --> 00:22:22.640 and he was like, do you, uh, what do you. 527 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:26.920 Orthodox believe that Roman Catholics worship the same God is? 528 00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:30.119 And I was like, I'm trying to be chitable. 529 00:22:30.279 --> 00:22:31.920 If he pushed me, probably not. 530 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:35.720 And they use that as an emotional like. 531 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:41.839 Me, they are, Yeah, but that's what. 532 00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:45.160 They're doing is opening the audience to question the absurdity 533 00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:48.079 of Protestantism and the I mean, he. 534 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:50.720 Made a great point earlier, and he brought out that they're. 535 00:22:50.680 --> 00:22:56.119 More clear dogmas and boundaries to freemasonry than they're already 536 00:22:56.119 --> 00:22:59.480 even the most Protestant conception of what who Christ is 537 00:22:59.480 --> 00:23:02.920 and the christ Church. So it's it's an insane position 538 00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:05.839 to take, you know what I was thinking too, I mean, 539 00:23:05.920 --> 00:23:09.400 just at like a spiritual and psychological and a psycho 540 00:23:09.400 --> 00:23:13.880 spiritual level, I wonder, you know, part of the appeal 541 00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:18.119 of masonry almost seems to be it's like the the 542 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:22.400 aesthetics of liturgy that masonry has adopted, because masonry and 543 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:26.759 the rights and freemasonry are very liturgically, they're like shadowing 544 00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:32.240 liturgical practices and the hierarchy of you know, the worshipful. 545 00:23:31.759 --> 00:23:34.680 Master that comes up later. 546 00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:38.599 Yeah, you know, it's aping liturgical practices. So you know, 547 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:41.839 it's kind of brought us just me. That's natural for 548 00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:45.119 human beings that we all want the liturgy. We're all 549 00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:48.200 we all want Christ, the fullness of Christ, and uh, 550 00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:51.319 the lack of that in. 551 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:54.160 The Protestant world would maybe even lead a lot of 552 00:23:54.200 --> 00:23:58.200 people to try and join Masonry to discratch that age. 553 00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:01.079 So whole thime access for five dollars? 554 00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:03.079 Could the Masons have an argument if they said the 555 00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:07.039 Orthodoxy doesn't have a central structure or a pope either. Now, 556 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:11.119 the question is not about a centralized authority versus no authority. 557 00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:13.160 The question is are there authorities at all? I don't 558 00:24:13.160 --> 00:24:13.920 care if you think. 559 00:24:13.759 --> 00:24:18.559 It's a decentralized body of regional grand lodges or whether 560 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:20.720 you think that there is one pope. It's not a 561 00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:24.000 question of any kind of authority. It's a question of 562 00:24:24.119 --> 00:24:27.319 are you actually bound by authorities? And thus, if you are, 563 00:24:27.519 --> 00:24:30.160 that violates the idea that there are no authorities and 564 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:32.680 I'm not bound by anything in my conscience. That's that's 565 00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:38.400 the point. Jay r Do you want to say some John, 566 00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:39.160 do you want to say something? 567 00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:47.160 Well, no, everything you guys have been seen as really 568 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:50.240 good in regards to the commentary. 569 00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:58.519 But like at the time of of when when Mazzini 570 00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:03.599 is coming into there's like, like, I. 571 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:08.359 Don't understand how Masons can't understand that they're all organized 572 00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:15.599 under something directly against the Catholic Church, right, so they're 573 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:20.440 asking for no authority, no central authority, but then they 574 00:25:20.519 --> 00:25:24.240 themselves are going to be the new central authority. It 575 00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:30.039 seems very simple philosophically now, but these guys don't seem 576 00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:34.480 to recognize that that's an organizing force around the world, 577 00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:39.759 whether it's a French Revolution or you know subsequent Jacobin things. 578 00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:43.200 Right, Yeah, they move the goalpost to make it about 579 00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:46.359 whether it's a centralized authority. I don't care the original 580 00:25:46.440 --> 00:25:50.720 statement was. And even even Pike says this Masonry has 581 00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:54.559 no authorities. I'm arguing that they contradict. I don't know 582 00:25:54.559 --> 00:25:56.640 why this is so hard for these people to understand. 583 00:25:56.680 --> 00:26:01.960 It's just like the Mason mind f because I know 584 00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:05.960 Albert Pike says that there's no dogmas and they're freethinkers. 585 00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:09.720 But I'm arguing that that contradicts the idea that you 586 00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:12.920 have to believe in these basic dogmas as Chase admit it. 587 00:26:13.319 --> 00:26:15.680 That's the contradiction. That's the argument. 588 00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:18.400 I'm not asking does some Masons somewhere say you don't 589 00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:20.799 have to believe in any dogmas? Or is there a 590 00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:23.440 centralized pope of the Masons. I never I said that. 591 00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:26.880 That was never the argument. Only legitimate authentic Christians, in 592 00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:29.559 your point of view, are Greek Orthodox, No any Orthodox, 593 00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:31.200 any Orthodoxcuse me, I'm not trying to put words in 594 00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.160 your mouth. Okay, So if you are not an Orthodox Christian, 595 00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:34.400 even if you think that you're going to a Christian 596 00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:36.440 church or you're a Christian, you're not legitimately a Christian. 597 00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:38.839 You're either the mistake in or fallen or Okay, how 598 00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:41.400 is that incompatible with I'm not making a claim. I 599 00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:43.400 just wanted to appoint a ortorical point to make me 600 00:26:43.400 --> 00:26:45.160 seem like the dogmatists and you guys are the freethinkers, 601 00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:46.880 which is why I frehemptively argue at the beginning that 602 00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:48.839 they're actually dogmentis and non freethinker. Yeah, we can. We've 603 00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:50.319 we've talked a lot about like what we're not in 604 00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:52.119 all this, but I'm happy to just talk about what 605 00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:53.480 we are. You can call it dogma if you's a 606 00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:56.960 sales pitch, I'm sales. The audience here and Jade does 607 00:26:56.960 --> 00:26:59.000 not believe that you're Christian unless you're Orthodox. Yeah. So 608 00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:01.039 so again, this was a rhetorical It's not an argument, 609 00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:03.279 it's a rhetorical. This cider an appeal to the audience fallacy. 610 00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:05.079 I want everybody to know that. Yeah, all right, let 611 00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:06.160 me ask you this, and let me ask you a 612 00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:08.079 little bit different question. Can you anyone who just like 613 00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:10.880 to know you believe? Can you be well, what's an example, 614 00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:13.960 like another secular organization. Can you be a member of 615 00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:16.680 the Green Party and a Christian? Or is the Green 616 00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:19.759 Party incompatible with Christianity? The Libertarian Party? How about another example? 617 00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:21.799 Can you be a formal member dou is paying member 618 00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:22.839 whatever of the Libertary Party? 619 00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:23.880 And is that compatible? 620 00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:26.720 Is your question is a false analogy comparing it to 621 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:29.119 the Masonic Society, which I do not accept and do 622 00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:32.519 not grant is a non theological society or argument is 623 00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:35.519 premised on that, And the whole opening twenty minutes demonstrated 624 00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:38.079 that you guys are theologically inclined. You just act like 625 00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:42.000 you're not. So it's a false equivalence. What is it? 626 00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:43.680 A Masonic lodge is not like the Green Party because 627 00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:45.759 the Masonic loge requires theological beliefs, even though you say 628 00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:47.160 you don't. They just really, where is a belief in 629 00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:47.599 a supreme being? 630 00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:47.799 Though? 631 00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:50.039 If it is a compatible blow it, it's a compatible 632 00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:52.839 belief No with Christianity because a Chayandia also has this 633 00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:54.680 da Notice what he just did there. He said we 634 00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:56.720 only require belief in a supreme authority when we already 635 00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:58.279 saw in the first thirty minutes that he qualified that 636 00:27:58.319 --> 00:27:59.440 to say, well, you can't be a satanis and you 637 00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:01.720 got believe that. So there's all these other things. That's 638 00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:03.799 a sales pitch when they say it's just this one 639 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:05.640 thing you have to believe, then they turn around and 640 00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:07.559 qualify it with a giant paragraph of all the other 641 00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:09.680 things that you can't be and have to believe. It's inconsistent. 642 00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:13.039 That's the point. You don't see that argument. No, Hell, 643 00:28:13.039 --> 00:28:15.759 come on, dude, I don't one dogma that's then qualified 644 00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:18.240 by giant paragraph of actually what it really means. It's 645 00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:21.480 not one dogma, that's not a wat I'm sorry, it's 646 00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:23.839 not one dogma, one dogma. It's not just one dogma, 647 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:27.480 very few dogmas. Okay, So moving the goal post is 648 00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:31.440 what we call the Yeah. So, so I think I 649 00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:33.599 think that was a pretty good gotcha there, right, like, 650 00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:35.319 and then we're about to shift into I think DJ 651 00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:37.160 is about to shift it into something different. There's like 652 00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:38.160 quires membership. 653 00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:41.400 I'm sorry, go ahead, Ryan, Yeah, I'll call a sales pitch. 654 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:42.960 However you want to frame it, you can do that. 655 00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:44.400 It's just the truth. 656 00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:48.079 I said the simple version was nothing, and then I 657 00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:49.279 said there's more to it than that, and then we 658 00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:51.480 can get into it later. There's no attempt to hide 659 00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:54.000 or it's it's a simplification for the matter of debate, it's. 660 00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:56.279 Moving the goal post. That's not simplification. We'll call it. 661 00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:57.880 Which one's a fallacy and one's lanning. 662 00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:02.160 There's lots of belief beefs and teachings within masonry. There's 663 00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:05.400 few requirements or dogmas, one of which is this belief 664 00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:08.960 in a supreme being to whom Tennessee might be worded 665 00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:11.079 differently in other jurisdictions. 666 00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:16.480 A fallacy either because we can't truly objective to know. 667 00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:20.200 Anything earlier, Well, he did he seemed to not care 668 00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:22.799 about fallacies, So I think you're right, like, he doesn't 669 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:24.960 care if it's a fallacier and I call whatever you want, Well, 670 00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:27.000 calling it a fallacy is really important. 671 00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:29.200 If it is a fallacy, Tennessee, you have to be 672 00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:33.319 a of lawful age, which we require eighteen some jurisdictions. 673 00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:35.839 It's twenty one. He can't be a female, he can't 674 00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:38.400 be an atheist. You have to be a sound mind. 675 00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:40.359 We say, he can't be an old man in dotage, 676 00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:42.519 which is essentially you know, you have to batge your 677 00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:43.759 moral fact but Joe by, don't you. 678 00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:44.880 Yeah, can be Joe Biden. 679 00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:49.359 So yeah, there's some base level requirements. And then as 680 00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:53.359 we are interviewing people, we try to discover your moral characters, 681 00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:56.079 so to speak. And you know that can be subjective. 682 00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:58.119 I would suppose you know, we're not experts in that, 683 00:29:58.160 --> 00:29:59.680 but we we do our best in trying to figure 684 00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:02.759 out who are as the individual. For me at least, 685 00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:05.400 I would say, you know, if you're a Satanist, don't 686 00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:07.359 meet their requirements. If you're a Communist, I would say 687 00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:09.079 that would also, Yeah, I meet there is it up 688 00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:12.160 to you. It's up to the individual. Lodge and it's 689 00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:14.079 a nanotus boat. So yeah, in some ways, if only 690 00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:15.640 one one I could accept the Satan, that's another one 691 00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:18.319 could in Its theoretically possible. But I've been a Mason 692 00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:19.920 for eighteen years now, I know thousands of Masons. 693 00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:20.440 I've never met a. 694 00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:23.359 Boyn isn't that it's it's it's a could I lodge 695 00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:25.599 let someone in who shouldn't get in? Yesn't see. The 696 00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:27.880 question is how do you determine what good moral character is? 697 00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:30.119 What's the standard and chasea that's a good question. So 698 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.319 if this is a society based around ethics and values 699 00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:37.200 and value judgments, those are metaphysical ethical claims. 700 00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:38.319 I want to know what the good is. How do 701 00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:40.839 we determine the good? I think that's up to It's 702 00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:42.880 up to you with your relationship with God. Okay, but 703 00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:45.640 your other Massonic brothers can be Hindus who determine the 704 00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:48.079 good according to Hinduism, right, Yeah, there's a situation in 705 00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:49.680 which that is. Yeah, okay, So how do we know 706 00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:51.359 what the good is? It sounds relatives. Again, I don't 707 00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:53.480 know that Freemasonry makes a claim as to which of 708 00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:56.519 those persuasions is correct. Then how are you going to 709 00:30:56.559 --> 00:30:58.240 be Howard matter and good men better if you don't 710 00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:00.599 even know whether Hinduism is better than Protestanism or not. 711 00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:02.440 Because it doesn't make those claims in the context of 712 00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:05.279 like past the Salvation. When it comes to our system, 713 00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:06.759 like you asked, how do we make good and better? 714 00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:09.119 We do have moral and philosophical teachings which are what 715 00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:13.279 based on what philosophy and morals that are brought in 716 00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:15.680 that are ar to Russells, Well, I'm a least let 717 00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:17.039 me answer, and I'll just tell you that's easy. 718 00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:18.599 You can just quick cut me off and on said 719 00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:21.319 berge at Russell's philosophy or ET's philosophy. 720 00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:23.480 Like a lot of you what I say, you can't 721 00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:24.039 you can't hear. 722 00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:28.400 This is bizarre because like my dad was a Protestant 723 00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:33.680 minister and he hated premasons because of this exact thing. 724 00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:39.559 Like it everything that they're claiming as a Protestant is 725 00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:43.920 like the masonics of circumvents scripture. 726 00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:46.160 Yeah, exactly, paradigm. 727 00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:53.680 Yeah, there's there's two different It divides you against yourself, right, 728 00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:56.039 and this is really the idea of the public private 729 00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:59.640 divide that America has. Right you can have your private religion. 730 00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:01.960 Just don't let us spill over into the public sphere 731 00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:06.160 the whole. That's what that that is a Masonic idea, 732 00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:09.039 tell you so, Uh, we teach the four Carnal virtues for. 733 00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:11.200 This is people that are involved in politics as well, 734 00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:14.079 because it's like, well, you know politics, this is a 735 00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:18.079 game of optics. It's a game of presentations, a game 736 00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:21.799 of convincing people that have compromised and that's separate from 737 00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:22.799 my spiritual life. 738 00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:23.599 Exactly. 739 00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:26.400 You get problems on both ends of that of. 740 00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:27.640 That that divice exactly. 741 00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:30.240 Yeah, to be produced temperance and justice. Why are we 742 00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:34.599 supposed to accept those like this is what we teach? Okay, 743 00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:36.960 but why are we supposed to think that's right? You 744 00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:39.440 don't really have to Well, do they make a clai 745 00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:41.319 relatives's a back to best of what we've been thinking about. 746 00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:42.720 Do they make a claim that that's right or is 747 00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:44.240 it just that's part of the group and if you 748 00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:45.279 want to join it, so be it. 749 00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:48.160 Well we teach that these Yeah, that those are right. 750 00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:50.720 We tell you, just did the you know, the seven 751 00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:52.880 Liberal Arts and sciences are the way to make your ape, 752 00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:54.240 way to make yourself a better man. 753 00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:57.200 Trivia. I'm starting to now all of the Masonic conspiracies now, 754 00:32:57.240 --> 00:32:59.079 because there's no way that this sect could have actually 755 00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:01.680 organized any meaning full revolution in history. It's a joke. 756 00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:04.319 It's a joke. It's just a joke. Yeah. I made 757 00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:06.720 Chase really mad with that joke because I was arguing 758 00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:09.200 that these guys are too dumb to actually have organized 759 00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:13.480 any real revolutions that were ever successful. This is the 760 00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:15.839 point where Chase gets Chase gets really mad at me, 761 00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:18.720 and he just starts like he's just seething, staring at me. 762 00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:20.799 And I thought after this he was going to leave. 763 00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:22.920 Rather get mad now. So I'm not angry. I just 764 00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:26.160 don't have a response. No, that's you asked for us 765 00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:27.920 to answer a question. We start to ask you. Do 766 00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:29.359 you think that you have to be full You mentioned 767 00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:32.400 philosophy that you have to be philosophically consistent in your argumentation. 768 00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:35.240 Sure you have to be for what to be a 769 00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:37.839 Mason and a debate. Yeah, yeah, I think that that 770 00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:40.440 would be ideal. Yeah, okay, So can I make fallacious 771 00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:42.759 arguments against Masonry? Would you call it out? Were calling out? 772 00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:44.519 Thank you? So when you guys make bad arguments and 773 00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:45.759 I ask you what the standard of the good is 774 00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:47.559 and you say it's just these virtues, and then you 775 00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:49.559 say that I hits just these virtues. 776 00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:52.240 Okay, it is those and more, it's part of it, 777 00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:53.480 and Laura, yeah, it's a lot to it. 778 00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:55.000 And then you say that a Hindu can be in 779 00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:57.440 and he can have his system, and this other guy 780 00:33:57.440 --> 00:33:59.759 over here can be a Protestant and whatever. That's the 781 00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:01.920 point is that there is no standard of good by 782 00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:03.920 which you're making good men better. It's arbitrary, and I 783 00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:05.640 can't figure out how am I going to be a 784 00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:08.239 philosophically better man. We're going to make good men better 785 00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:10.639 if there's no standard of what makes men good, if 786 00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:14.679 it's subjective, and you allow satanic demonic people like Hindus 787 00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:16.880 they have a Satanic religion, if they're allowed to come 788 00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:18.800 in and say that, well, my standard of good is 789 00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:20.679 to worship Shiva. I can be can be a Thuggie 790 00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:24.840 and be amazing tumble of doom. They didn't know what 791 00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:28.480 thuggies were. I made a temple of doom joke, which 792 00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:33.239 is like the you know, human sacrifice sect of Hinduism, 793 00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:35.199 which by the way, was there was a real human 794 00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:37.440 sacrifice sect. And then that they act like in order 795 00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:39.400 to skirt the joke, they act like, I don't know, 796 00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:42.639 you never watched Temple of Doom. I don't know what 797 00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:44.440 that is. It's a joke. I don't know. 798 00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:46.199 I wouldn't have. 799 00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:49.760 You don't know the Thuggies. 800 00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:54.039 Dude, I grew up watching I've watched Temple of Doom 801 00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:56.159 probably five hundred times. 802 00:34:56.440 --> 00:34:57.559 That was my favorite. 803 00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:02.400 Well that's just that's just that's that's on you. 804 00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:06.239 The Hassions. It's going to lead you to the Thuggies. 805 00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:13.480 Right, yeah, Like there's all kinds of monotheistic or well, 806 00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:16.679 I mean again, I look, the best argument here is 807 00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:20.360 they allow Hindus in. Okay, Hindus believe in just absolutely 808 00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:24.239 demonic stuff, like so you're gonna make good Hindus better 809 00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:25.280 with Christians together. 810 00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:26.239 It's just so stupid. 811 00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:31.079 Yeah, nobody's seen Temple of Dream. It's in compatible with Christianity. Okay. 812 00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:32.719 By the way, the other thing that's bad about this 813 00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:35.840 recording is there was like ten times the audience was 814 00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:38.559 cracking up. And that's another reason why they got mad. 815 00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:40.679 Because when I made the joke about there's no way 816 00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:43.920 these guys could organize a successful revolution, the audience laugh 817 00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:46.159 really hard and that's what made Chase really mad. 818 00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:48.119 But you can't hear any the audience laughing on this. 819 00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:51.159 All right, this is a let's pivot for a second 820 00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:54.719 and talk about oaths. This is an interesting topic because 821 00:35:55.719 --> 00:35:57.840 in Freemasonry you have to take odes. I don't want 822 00:35:57.840 --> 00:35:59.760 to speak for you, guys, but my understanding is that's 823 00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:02.400 the case. And I want to read a Bible verse 824 00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:05.119 from James five twelve, which says, above all my brothers 825 00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:07.760 and sisters do not swear, not by heaven or earth 826 00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:09.840 or anything else. All you need to say is a 827 00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:13.440 simple yes or no, otherwise you will be condemned. Now, 828 00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:15.280 I'll just take it over to the Masons here. Either 829 00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:17.280 of you guys can pick this up. But how do 830 00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:20.760 you interpret that verse and also take oaths on your 831 00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:23.000 journey assent in freemasonry? 832 00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:27.239 To ahead Ryan, Yeah, so my interpretation doesn't come from Freemasonry. 833 00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:29.760 That's just what I was taught. That person is all right, 834 00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:32.000 I'm gonna skip this because this is not even a 835 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:35.400 contentious point. This is just kind of a Protestant, like 836 00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:39.079 you know, Quaker Baptist thing like can you take oaths? 837 00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:40.880 And I'm like, yeah, of course, we don't think that 838 00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:43.320 all oaths are wrong. You take an oath when you 839 00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:44.920 get married. So I'm just gonna skip this part because 840 00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:47.559 there wasn't really much there. So quick clarifying question is 841 00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:50.360 what is the principle by which an oath goes too far? 842 00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:54.199 In the Forum of James five twelve, So like if 843 00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:55.199 you were to say, it's where to God, I'll be 844 00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:56.639 there tomorrow on time, that's a good example. But do 845 00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:58.960 you have like a prince, So what is the like 846 00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:01.719 sorting principle for the two things? You know, where it's 847 00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:03.480 good or bad? Is there an aligned the sand or 848 00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:05.480 is it just kind of a well, I think yeah, 849 00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:09.639 it's good. Ques what oaths that are required on his person. 850 00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:12.159 What I argue is that oaths are not the issue. 851 00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:14.719 It's rather the blood oaths that masonry requires. Here at 852 00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:16.039 all you have to do is say yes or no, 853 00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:19.599 you actually agree with all that. I don't take any 854 00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:22.000 issue with any of that. I would say that, you know, 855 00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:24.199 obviously we take oaths. If you go to court, you 856 00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:25.639 lay your hand on the Bible and you take an oath. 857 00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:27.159 You know, was any problem with that? I don't think 858 00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:29.079 we've ever had a problem with that. We take an 859 00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:31.880 oath in marriage as they pointed out, but I would 860 00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:36.400 say that the what oaths that are required for masonry 861 00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:40.280 might be problematic. My blood oath like the blood spill roads. 862 00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:42.840 I'm sorry, you don't play what your oads mean? Well, 863 00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:45.280 I hear the blood oath I think of, and maybe I'm 864 00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:47.480 just totally wrong about this, so please clarify. I think 865 00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:49.480 of like somebody actually cutting their hand open, and there's 866 00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:51.519 blood involved in the oath. I mean, don't you take 867 00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:53.679 an oath to have your throats lit? Shouldlah blah blah 868 00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:57.360 blah blah happen? So there's penalties in these obligations. 869 00:37:57.400 --> 00:37:59.239 And then they don't want to talk about this is funny. 870 00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:03.719 Uh, we won't discuss the specifics of those allegations. 871 00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:07.679 Ah. Interesting, Why does any want to discuss the specifics 872 00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:09.679 of the blood oath? Yeah? 873 00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:12.559 You can laugh at that, you know, Uh you can. 874 00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:14.199 You can go find them online if you want. You know, 875 00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:16.119 if you can find them online, on you and I 876 00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:19.880 would well, I'll explain. I will simply say that if 877 00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:23.599 you believe those are literal oaths, maybe may your claim 878 00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:26.360 maybe you interpreted symbolic. That's why I said, depending upon 879 00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:28.039 how one interprets those oaths, now, I know that there 880 00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:29.880 have been cases like the William Morgan affair where it 881 00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:33.000 was not interpreted as purely symbolic. Maybe you guys nowadays 882 00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:34.159 don't hold to that. So I don't want to be 883 00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:36.760 unfair to you. I would steal men your position, But I. 884 00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:39.960 Mean, like, uh, you know, in your in your rights 885 00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:41.559 for example, and you can correct me if this is wrong. 886 00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:44.440 The Royal Arts Degree, you reveal that the true name 887 00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:47.840 of God is jab Bulan yahweh bail and on. So 888 00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:50.679 that's in your liturgies, that's your rights and your rituals. 889 00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:53.400 That's not your theologians or your speculators. Here. I don't 890 00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:55.679 see how that any Christian would literally think that the 891 00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:57.480 name of God is Jabalon and then say that this 892 00:38:57.559 --> 00:38:59.400 is not a theological society. And I can interpret this 893 00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:01.119 however I want. It just doesn't make any sense. I 894 00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:03.159 would argue that Freemasonry never makes a claim as to 895 00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:05.280 what the real name, true Daum of God is. I mean, 896 00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:06.840 is that part of the Royal Arts Degree. I don't 897 00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:09.199 believe so. And the York right capitular side doesn't have 898 00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:12.679 the name Jabulan. I do not believe that freemasonring claims 899 00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:16.440 to define the name of God explicitly correct. So notice 900 00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:21.079 that this was part of the Royal Arts degree until 901 00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:25.519 it was removed by English Grand Lodge Chapters in nineteen 902 00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:28.119 eighty nine. So this is not true according to them 903 00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:31.320 saying they may not have known this, right, but it 904 00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:34.159 was part of the ritual. So that you're saying that 905 00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:35.840 is not part of the Royal Arts degree in the 906 00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:38.159 York Right's capitular side. It's been a long time since 907 00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:40.079 I've seen that degree. But yes, that is what I'm saying, 908 00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:42.400 all right, So everybody note this, because he's making a 909 00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:44.079 claim that I think he's I don't have the whole 910 00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:45.599 liturgy in front of me of their rights, but I 911 00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:49.119 don't think that's that that's true. But when you go 912 00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:51.639 into lodge and I see, for example, that there's the floor, 913 00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:53.719 and that there's the Jacob and Boaz and all this 914 00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:56.639 temple symbolism, how is all of this Old Testament temple 915 00:39:56.679 --> 00:40:02.440 stuff not religious? What's what's your definition of religious? Well, 916 00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:04.119 you told me and you said that it's not a religion, 917 00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:06.199 it's a philosophy. Yet when I walk into a lodge, 918 00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:09.119 it's a celestial vision into the heavens and the stars, 919 00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:10.519 and there's Jacin and Boaz, which is out of the 920 00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:12.679 Old Testament. It's the temple we just by the way 921 00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:14.400 toured the I see what you're saying, Jay, that there 922 00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:17.559 are certainly elements of Freemasonry that are derived from religion 923 00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:20.920 and specifically Knxalis Semple Jacobo and has all that stuff. Yes, 924 00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:23.840 but it's not a religion, it's a philosophy. Correct these 925 00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:26.159 does the stream cut out for a second? 926 00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:29.159 Is it back? It looks like maybe it's backwards. 927 00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:34.119 The symbols, the entire name Freemasons comes from stone mason guilds. 928 00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:39.000 We use the tools of masons, We use the story 929 00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:42.280 of the building of King Solomon's temple to teach certain 930 00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:43.639 moral and philosophical This is. 931 00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:46.039 Where they also really begin to falter because I started 932 00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:50.639 pointing out all the religious theological symbology everywhere in masonry. 933 00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:53.239 As they say, it's nothing to do with religion. 934 00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:57.280 Principles, you know, just because we have a story out 935 00:40:57.280 --> 00:41:00.400 of the Old Testament or the pillars they were outside 936 00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:01.440 of I. 937 00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:03.039 Mean just a story. Or is every element of the 938 00:41:03.079 --> 00:41:05.800 lodge in some ways symbolic metaphysical realities like the tile 939 00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:07.960 floor and the dualities in nature and Jacob and Boaz 940 00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:10.559 the two pillars from the temple, Is it not, for example, 941 00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:14.639 based on Kabbala. The has elements of Kabala, some relations 942 00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:17.360 and masonry. So again, the ambiguity in the term it's 943 00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:20.519 just a philosophy not a religion, is ambiguous precisely because 944 00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:23.679 you can elastically remove how far you want to make 945 00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:26.320 religion and theology. When again, I think this whole discussion 946 00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:28.800 has shown that there's all kinds of theological positions and 947 00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:32.679 principles replete throughout, not just the Certainly theological positions and 948 00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:36.199 principles are are brought forth, but for the sake of contemplation, 949 00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:37.599 not so much as for the sake of making a 950 00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:38.480 claim as to their. 951 00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:41.760 Yeah, we don't I'm not a cabolist just because there's elements. 952 00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:43.599 Yeah, But the point is not are you a cabolist? 953 00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:45.800 The point is that it's not just a philosophy, it's 954 00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:50.400 replete with theological meaning. Do you think the religions contain philosophy? Yeah, 955 00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:52.119 but that's not the question. The question is is free 956 00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:54.840 Mason is just a philosophy? If they do contain philosophy, 957 00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:58.039 we can't pull this Pallas because it's a parts whole fallacy. 958 00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:00.719 I'm arguing against your position that you said it's just 959 00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:02.840 a philosophy. I didn't claim that there's no overlap between 960 00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:05.199 religion and philosophy. You said it's just a philosophy. Yeah, 961 00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:07.079 and I said that we pull from those philosophies from 962 00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:10.519 different religions. So it's but then it's a religious that 963 00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:14.480 also a religious group. No, how is it not. I 964 00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:17.199 don't understand how it is religious just because certain elements 965 00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:21.119 of Freemasonry. He your literature, you Freemasonry rituals include give 966 00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:24.559 the name of God in secret tetragrammaton. It's obviously religious. 967 00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:26.639 What are you talking about? And then you're casting it 968 00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:28.920 as it's not religious, it's just a bunch of bros. 969 00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:32.119 And we're whatever, Like, no, you're actually doing religious based rituals. 970 00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:36.519 I think that you can have you can have ceremonies, rituals, initiations, 971 00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:39.239 whatever you want to call them, that have elements derived 972 00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:43.440 from religions without making any explicit, explicit religious claims. But 973 00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:45.559 two already made a bunch of explicit religious claims in 974 00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:48.199 the first hour, just like this is I hope everybody 975 00:42:48.199 --> 00:42:51.079 sees this right now, they're going back to the whole 976 00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:54.639 thing that it took an hour to establish. Right, God exists, No, 977 00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:56.519 and then you qualified it to say it's not just 978 00:42:56.519 --> 00:43:00.159 God exists. Actually, in fact, that was the point. I'm 979 00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:01.639 not following. Oka, Yeah you are, you just don't want 980 00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:04.320 to do. I have a question here. So it's the 981 00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:07.079 temple part aside. If I'm not sure exactly what you're 982 00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:09.280 referencing with the jab Balon thing, If there's an explicit 983 00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:12.400 claim on God itself, which is it seems like that's 984 00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:14.000 what's Jane and sinuating that does seem like that would 985 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:16.599 be in violation of some pretty core Christian principles. What 986 00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:19.159 is the actually can you just flesh out what that 987 00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:21.039 is and have them So I'm trying to find their 988 00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:23.760 actual older did you know this reference? What is jab Alon? 989 00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:25.960 I'm not okay, ye, I'm not familiar with that. You 990 00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:28.719 This is in every Masonic book by the way, this like, 991 00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:30.480 I mean, maybe they don't know what it is, but 992 00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:32.480 it's also very convenient for them to not know what 993 00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:34.960 it is when it's pretty well known. So it's the 994 00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:40.280 older Royal arch Masonry rituals which include the term jab Bulon, 995 00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:43.679 which is supposedly the lost sacred name of God. And 996 00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:45.960 by the way, it's not just some Internet side and 997 00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:48.440 it's also I mean, the name of God is a 998 00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:51.599 huge issue that Albert Mackie as an example, not an authority, 999 00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:55.400 as an example, says that finding out who the name 1000 00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:56.880 of God is and what the name of God is, 1001 00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:00.320 he says, is very important to Mason's because he must 1002 00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:05.760 be determined through a Cabbalistic Zohar based interpretation. Ooh, I 1003 00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:09.440 thought it wasn't religious. The whole religion is based, the 1004 00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:12.159 whole philosophy of Mastream is based around the name of God, 1005 00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:17.360 the Tetragrammaton and interpreting it in a Kabbalistic Zohar sense. 1006 00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:20.480 And he says, if you want to know where to 1007 00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:22.079 look at this, he says, look to the Talmut and 1008 00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:26.119 the Zohar. So again, the Tetragrammaton is, according to him, 1009 00:44:26.599 --> 00:44:29.559 the male and female principles of nature, the generative and 1010 00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:34.840 prolific energies of creation. So this is all metaphysical theological speculation. 1011 00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:37.239 And then they're saying that, no, it's just a philosophy, 1012 00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:39.280 it's just the symbols and you can maybe crafted into 1013 00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:40.920 whatever you want. Where do you get the idea that 1014 00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:43.039 you can take all the symbols of Solomon's Temple and 1015 00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:45.239 craft them into anything that you want. To me, that's preposterous. 1016 00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:49.639 I don't think we're crafting them into anything that we want. 1017 00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:51.639 We're very specific on what those symbols mean. 1018 00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:53.280 To I thought you said that I can if I'm 1019 00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:54.840 a Hindu, let me just let me provide something I'm 1020 00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:58.559 a Hindu and context, you know. So remember they said 1021 00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:00.719 you could be Hindu and it mean what you want 1022 00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:03.079 to us Indo, but they don't want to go there. 1023 00:45:03.079 --> 00:45:05.639 If you look at masony throughout history, there was operative 1024 00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:07.920 masonry that it became speculative. I think that the reason 1025 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:11.280 King Solomon's Temple is such a landmark, for lack of 1026 00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:13.599 a better term, in freemasonry is because it's like one 1027 00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:16.480 of the most famous historical examples of architecture and the 1028 00:45:16.519 --> 00:45:20.000 principles of masonry being applied from an operative standpoint. And 1029 00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:22.639 so I think when the craft was crafted, it was 1030 00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:24.639 used as like a setting and a frame of reference 1031 00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:29.599 and a keystone to develop the symbolic philosophy of the fraternity. Yeah, 1032 00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:33.119 but you keep saying philosophy to make it not religious 1033 00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:35.960 and theological, when all of this is religious theological and 1034 00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:37.960 then you're removing the context and saying, well, they're just 1035 00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:41.000 really personal symbols. For example, all masonry says it is 1036 00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:43.320 the job of masonry, as far as I'm aware, to quote, 1037 00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:45.760 rebuild the Temple of Solomon. In you guys debate what's 1038 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:48.760 not true. I've never heard that, never heard that before. Correct, 1039 00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:50.519 it is the job. Say it again. 1040 00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:51.119 Now. 1041 00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:54.199 Notice they immediately jumped on this to not let me 1042 00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:56.679 finish what I was going to say. Yes, I was 1043 00:45:56.719 --> 00:46:00.800 about to say, whether you interpret that symbolically or literally, 1044 00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:04.599 rebuilding the Third Temple, it is the goal and the 1045 00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:07.119 job of masonry to rebuild the Temple of Solomon. I 1046 00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:09.280 disagree with that. Okay, So we just went to the 1047 00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:12.960 giant Masonic Monument in DC. I put this up and 1048 00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:15.000 you can find this very easily, and by the way, 1049 00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:16.480 most of these Masonic authors that I have here, I'll 1050 00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:18.000 say that the job of the mason is to rebuild 1051 00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:22.239 the Temple of Solomon. You got that quote? Yeah, yeah, 1052 00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:27.920 So when we went to the Alexandria Monument, we got 1053 00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:34.440 a walk through from the historian at the Alexandria Monument, 1054 00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:36.639 and Jamie, you were there. Did the guy not say 1055 00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:38.280 that it is the job of the mason to rebuild 1056 00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:42.000 the Temple of Solomon. Thank you, because that is what 1057 00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:43.880 he said. Now you could disagree with that. Perhaps that's 1058 00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:47.639 something that individual masons day and it's not actually a 1059 00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:50.719 normative teaching. So so you think it is a goal 1060 00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:55.039 or job of masonry to physically rebuild. I thought that's 1061 00:46:55.039 --> 00:46:58.599 what I'm asking. No, you believe that that is unknown 1062 00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:01.239 in its turn. You may be that that is unknown 1063 00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:04.559 in terms of what it signifies, but that spiritually and 1064 00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:06.960 morally it's crafting the temple of the individual mason to 1065 00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:08.360 be a better person. That's that was what it was 1066 00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:10.679 explained to us at the temple. Now you disagree with that, 1067 00:47:11.159 --> 00:47:15.760 I've never heard that frame is rebuilding the temple now, Yeah, 1068 00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:19.199 totally not true. You find this all throughout Masonic literature 1069 00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:22.400 all over the place. So this really kind of pissed 1070 00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:24.400 me off when they acted like they've never heard this. 1071 00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:30.199 The act of improving yourself, we do take the symbolism 1072 00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:32.039 of temple building physical. 1073 00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:32.599 Thank you. 1074 00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:35.119 This was the point I make you notice he didn't 1075 00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:37.119 let me finish to make it seem like I was 1076 00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:40.360 saying that they're all trying to build the Temple in Israel, 1077 00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:43.199 which is not what I was. What I'm playing is freemasonry, 1078 00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:46.159 and then we use those So he just admitted the 1079 00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:47.840 very thing that I was saying. That's why I said. 1080 00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:50.400 That's what I was saying, dude, right here. 1081 00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:57.000 Now, the act of improving yourself, we do take the 1082 00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:01.679 symbolism of temple building physical. What I'm paying is it, well, freemasonry, 1083 00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:05.039 and then we use those same working tools on building ourselves. 1084 00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:08.039 We're not building physical temples anymore. We're building ourselves, I know, 1085 00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:09.320 We're not rebuilding. 1086 00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:11.800 Okay, So that's the last plane of Organs. So obviously 1087 00:48:11.800 --> 00:48:13.360 I'm not saying that you think you're gonna go really 1088 00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:16.239 literally rebuild the temple Solomon. You're saying that thought, Well, you. 1089 00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:17.960 Kind of made that claim and some not tonight, But 1090 00:48:18.039 --> 00:48:18.800 in the previous. 1091 00:48:18.559 --> 00:48:20.199 Art, no, I argue that maybe that is what you got. 1092 00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:22.800 You basically like acted like they were some Zionist organization 1093 00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:24.360 that wants to rebuild the Third Temple. That was your 1094 00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:27.119 claim that you've made in previous step. I meeting to 1095 00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:30.800 it now. But freemasonry is bound up with Judaism, you 1096 00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:32.519 don't you don't think so it has Judaism in it 1097 00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:34.679 bound other demming and ing up with Judaism. I mean, 1098 00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:35.960 he's just going to fill a lot, but none of 1099 00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:36.320 ballish it. 1100 00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:38.760 Yeah. No, Christianity is not bound up with Judaism. That's false. 1101 00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:39.400 I didn't. 1102 00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:41.199 We didn't make that claim you're saying to it. But 1103 00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:45.079 because we did not always Christianity it's not I'm saying 1104 00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:47.920 that just because something contains Judaism does not make it Judy. 1105 00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:50.239 What I'm saying is, then you guys, through people like Maki, 1106 00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:52.360 say go read the Zohar and the Talmud, and that's 1107 00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:53.920 where you're gonna get the secrets of who God is. 1108 00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:56.679 That's wherebeneck theology that is not ancient. I was certainly 1109 00:48:56.679 --> 00:48:59.239 disgrae Macki in that that writing. What do you agree 1110 00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:00.679 with the disagree that our'p to when he says to 1111 00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:01.559 similar similar things. 1112 00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:03.840 Yeah, okay, I do. And you disagree with Harvard scholars 1113 00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:06.400 like William Green who write books about masonryes ethos being 1114 00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:10.599 Jewish Cabbalah, Yes, I do it so notice, but it 1115 00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:12.159 really is seemingly a thing that you can make it 1116 00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:14.280 into whatever you want it to be. Because when we 1117 00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:16.400 bring up the actual Judaic ethos of it, and you 1118 00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:18.920 don't find the emphasis on Christianity, except perhaps in later 1119 00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:22.000 versions of the York Right. Masonry downplays the deed of Christ, 1120 00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:24.760 and it downplays the specifics of Christianity, which you saw 1121 00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:25.800 Chase do when he asked me if I was a 1122 00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:27.639 dogmatist and I only belie the Orthodox he was true. 1123 00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:30.840 They downplayed the specifics and the absolutes, as Albert Pipe says, 1124 00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:33.280 because their whole society is based around syncretism and the 1125 00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:35.159 idea that all the religions are just mass of one 1126 00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:37.320 ultimate God. But you can also be a Christian, but 1127 00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:40.920 that's again like joining together with ecumenists or Freemasons. Those 1128 00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:43.880 positions are antithetical to the absolutes of Christianity. So and 1129 00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:46.440 Chase says that he believes in Jesus. What Jesus, the 1130 00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:48.920 historical Jesus that the church teaches, or the Jesus that 1131 00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:51.760 you've decided in the Protestant Bible, the real one, the 1132 00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:53.880 Son of God, the Messiah. Is he the one that 1133 00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:56.800 the Council of Nicea defines, He's the one that died 1134 00:49:56.800 --> 00:49:59.079 on the cross and roads again, okay, but what historical 1135 00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:02.199 body actually preserved of those teachings and put together that Bible. Matthew, 1136 00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:04.800 Mark Luke and John the Yeah, and they the Bible together. No, 1137 00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:06.880 I understand they didn't put the whole Bible together. Who 1138 00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:11.199 did well? Was Constantine? Right? No? 1139 00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:13.960 They really thought constantly put the Bible together. 1140 00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:16.519 This part was funny, nice and council. No, he didn't put 1141 00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:18.440 the Bible together. I'm sorry. No, he didn't. 1142 00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:21.719 The depth of knowledge that most Protestants have. 1143 00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:23.400 They don't know anything at all. 1144 00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:25.719 Yeah, correct me if I'm wrong. 1145 00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:31.760 But doesn't Pike talk about Jesus just being Adam Katamon? Uh? 1146 00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:32.440 He could? 1147 00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:35.400 I mean the chapter on the Church Fathers and the Trinity, 1148 00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:39.280 he just argues that the Trinity is actually Neoplatonism, and 1149 00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:41.559 he says it's. 1150 00:50:41.239 --> 00:50:45.440 It's like the reference going back to reference again, like 1151 00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:48.400 the reference of Jesus is just to Adam Kataman. 1152 00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:53.519 Probably because if Pike's going to argue that the Trinity 1153 00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:58.400 is not the Christian Trinity and that it's neoplatonic emanations, 1154 00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:00.400 that's what he says. And he says the whole it's 1155 00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:03.920 not a person, it's just the world soul, then that 1156 00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:05.119 would deny the deed of Christ. 1157 00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:11.519 So yes, you know what it's called what's what refer information? Referation? 1158 00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:14.280 What is that a joke? 1159 00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:22.360 Yeah? Take it easy, man, I'm sorry. 1160 00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:22.760 I'm doing you like Chase did to me when I 1161 00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:24.840 made the joke, and he's like, I don't have a response. 1162 00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:28.719 He didn't. He didn't want to laugh at my joke. 1163 00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:34.599 The Bible together, just a suggestion, Yeah, beat it up. 1164 00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:36.639 It is sped up. 1165 00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:42.079 Oh, I mean I could try faster, but it might 1166 00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:43.199 sound like chipmunks. 1167 00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:44.239 Oh man. 1168 00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:48.800 Like so they were like, well, the other thing too, 1169 00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:51.199 is like this got really heated, and I think they 1170 00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:55.440 evened out the vocal stuff. And they also there's no 1171 00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:57.880 crowd at all, Like the crowd was making noises and 1172 00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:00.519 laughing this, so this is this is like evened out 1173 00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:03.079 audio wise. I think everybody to come together and identify 1174 00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:05.320 what's Canada, what isn't and no, okay, forgive me tell me. 1175 00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:09.280 I mean, you guys believe the Bible, right, Like, what 1176 00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:11.559 kind of Christianity is it that the Bible teaches? That 1177 00:52:11.639 --> 00:52:13.440 is your definition of what Christianity is that masonry is 1178 00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:15.800 compatible with, well, master is compatible with. 1179 00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:22.239 Again, masonry is not making dogmatic claims about Christianity. 1180 00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:23.840 But it is we've seen that in this debate. What 1181 00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:26.280 do you mean? What do I mean? Yeah? When when 1182 00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:29.719 does Masony make dogmatic claims about Jesus Christ or Christianity. Well, 1183 00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:32.679 the belief that you can be a member of the 1184 00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:36.400 society just by believing in a generic theism is antithetical 1185 00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:38.360 to Jesus in John fourteen six that I'm the way 1186 00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:40.199 the truth in the life. So least say generic feism. 1187 00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:42.719 What do you mean you also believe it a supreme 1188 00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:45.960 being being orgmentonic touching that there's just a supreme being. Okay, 1189 00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:47.960 that's not how do we identify what the supreme being is? 1190 00:52:48.519 --> 00:52:50.679 That's really not that's amazing point. He doesn't involve thisself 1191 00:52:50.719 --> 00:52:53.360 as as leo it up to the individual exactly. That's 1192 00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:56.280 the point that that's antithetical too, the way that Christianity 1193 00:52:56.400 --> 00:52:59.159 defines who God is, that's the way it answer makes 1194 00:52:59.199 --> 00:53:01.880 no claims is it is the point It would be 1195 00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:04.480 antithetical if Masonry said that all religions are equal they 1196 00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:05.719 all teach the same thing. 1197 00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:08.280 That my belief in Christianity that you know, I worship 1198 00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:10.079 the same God as the Muslim, that would be a 1199 00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:12.440 generic theism that you believe worship the same God. 1200 00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:14.119 The same God as Muslims. 1201 00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:16.559 It's a Muslim, I don't, Yes, you do, No, I don't. Yes, 1202 00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:21.760 Muslim your society or Mason society accepts Muslims as monotheists 1203 00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:24.519 and part of your society. So you believe that you 1204 00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:26.639 could be a Christian and your theology doesn't play into 1205 00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:28.639 the Masonic order and its teachings. And that's why it's 1206 00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:30.679 double minded and double think. That's the point. I think 1207 00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:33.440 it's just a Grossmith's understanding. Does Masonry teach the Muslims 1208 00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:35.519 worship the same God? Masy doesn't take a claim, It 1209 00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:36.719 doesn't make a claim with that. It just says that 1210 00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:39.039 Muslims are if it allows Muslims, and it's it's it's 1211 00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:42.960 acquiescing to that. That's not necessarily nor why we said 1212 00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:44.679 a supreme Being? Is it the same supreme Being? Yeah, 1213 00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:46.400 I understand, No, we don't. We don't make the claim 1214 00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:49.039 that you have it is all the same supreme being. Correct. 1215 00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:52.000 We do not make the claim that that everybody, every 1216 00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:56.159 every religion, supreme Being is the truth. Everyone is arousland 1217 00:53:56.239 --> 00:53:59.719 does a Muslim worship the same postentially mussy? Remember? Should 1218 00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:01.199 I do not believe that on those worship I'm not 1219 00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:03.920 asking you. Does must Masonry say and allow for Muslims 1220 00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:07.000 to become members and asked allow? So making allowing is 1221 00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:10.079 different from making your claim as to the authenticity. 1222 00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:11.960 Who's playing word games now come on or the. 1223 00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:14.400 Truth they're allowing it. It would be on the basis 1224 00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:15.840 of the fact that they now in this ass of all. 1225 00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:18.360 The only reason that freemasonry requires a belief in a 1226 00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:20.280 supreme being is so that when you take your oaths, 1227 00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:22.119 there's reason to believe that you feel that you're held 1228 00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:23.800 accountable to your supreme beings. So we're not going to 1229 00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:26.960 try to convince a Muslim to swear an oath to 1230 00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:28.639 a God that he doesn't believe in, because we understand 1231 00:54:28.639 --> 00:54:32.320 that he won't feel held accountable to to keep the oath. 1232 00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:34.440 So the idea is, look, if you believe so, if 1233 00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:36.159 you believe in God and Jesus Christ, and you're a 1234 00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:38.280 Christian and you take an oath on a Bible instead 1235 00:54:38.320 --> 00:54:40.039 of whatever your holy book is, and that's because you 1236 00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:41.679 believe that you'll be held accountable for the oath that 1237 00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:44.400 you swear to your own God. If it's an accountability, 1238 00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:46.480 I believe that I am out. If I believe that 1239 00:54:46.519 --> 00:54:48.000 I am God and I am the supreme Being? Can 1240 00:54:48.039 --> 00:54:50.320 I become a Mason? I've never even been presented with 1241 00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:53.119 that question. Doesn't matter. It's a theoretical question that's proving 1242 00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:54.760 a point about an argument. I'm not actually saying that 1243 00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:57.239 if somebody believes that they are God. I even note, 1244 00:54:57.559 --> 00:55:00.599 there's no way that we get in what they wouldn't 1245 00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:03.039 be accepted. They would not No, I mean, I don't 1246 00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:04.880 know if it's technically against the rules, but there would 1247 00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:06.159 never be an instance in which that person would be 1248 00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:06.800 leaving into a lot of. 1249 00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:08.920 Supering being to him. All men are accountable, I don't know. 1250 00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:11.119 Are you accountable to yourself? Yeah, because you are the 1251 00:55:11.159 --> 00:55:12.960 supreme Being? I don't know, band you can't be insane? 1252 00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:15.719 Well yeah, beyond that, I guess still like crazy people 1253 00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:16.199 in are trying. 1254 00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:16.360 You know. 1255 00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:18.679 I'm illustrating a point that every time you appeal to 1256 00:55:18.800 --> 00:55:21.639 supreme Being, it is sufficiently vague and generic. Heainst generic 1257 00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:25.280 theism to allow for anything it appears. But then as 1258 00:55:25.360 --> 00:55:28.559 we nail it down, it gets hyper specified and qualified 1259 00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:30.519 about all of the things that don't count and all 1260 00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:33.000 the things that do count, which demonstrates the point that 1261 00:55:33.079 --> 00:55:36.320 you have a theology and a dogma, and you're not 1262 00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:39.239 consistent with the other claims that you've made. That's the point. 1263 00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:42.239 So how is it compatible with Christianity to be in 1264 00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:47.159 a lodge together with totally different demonic positions, Like because 1265 00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:49.239 it's a secular organization, it's not a religious How is 1266 00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:51.960 it secular when you've adopted all these religious symbols and imagery. 1267 00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:55.400 Just because you're presenting people with religious ideas in different 1268 00:55:55.400 --> 00:55:57.800 ancient mysteries or whatever, doesn't mean that you're actually again 1269 00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:01.119 you see, how like they just keep going back and 1270 00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:04.840 forth to uh, yeah, fine, we have all these religious 1271 00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:08.440 positions that you have to affirm, but it's not religious. 1272 00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:12.199 It's like the whole thing is just just double. 1273 00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:14.320 Mount advocates and the belief in them. Now, you're dishonest 1274 00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:16.320 because you said it's secular at the same time as 1275 00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:18.920 saying that there are theological requirements to get in or 1276 00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:21.079 Reversity of California and you engage in religious studies, it's 1277 00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:23.159 still a secular program even though you're said a religod 1278 00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:25.599 to believe in God quote unquote to get into the program, 1279 00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:27.719 you require a belief in God, and then you have 1280 00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:31.239 a generic God that's a contradiction. How is it not theological? 1281 00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:34.960 Because the only reason that basically requires a belief in 1282 00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:37.400 God is for the sake of knowing that we can 1283 00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:39.719 trust the oaths that people take because they feel held 1284 00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:41.760 accountable to their higher power. Also, and why does it 1285 00:56:41.880 --> 00:56:45.199 Why can't I be accountable to myself as God? I 1286 00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:47.039 would also argue that beyond what they said, and not 1287 00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:51.239 disagreeing with that, but just in addition to that, they 1288 00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:53.679 think that I'm being silly and just saying coming out 1289 00:56:53.719 --> 00:56:56.920 with crazy. Now, I'm illustrating a point that every time 1290 00:56:57.000 --> 00:57:00.360 I come up with some fringe religious position, whether it's Theostic, 1291 00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:04.159 Satanism or Gnosticism, or I'm my own God, I'm illustrating 1292 00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:07.480 to them that they have all of these qualifications that 1293 00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:11.599 are beyond just one dogma. It's a very simple point, 1294 00:57:11.760 --> 00:57:14.480 and I don't know why they can't see this. I 1295 00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:16.320 think eventually they do, because this guy's about to make 1296 00:57:16.360 --> 00:57:17.360 a big trip up here soon. 1297 00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:21.360 The teachings, the principles not a theology, just I don't 1298 00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:23.119 know how else to say it. Did you do you 1299 00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:25.480 believe that there are teachings and doctrines that aren't are 1300 00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:26.679 not theology. 1301 00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:29.840 Like Are you serious right now? Are you serious? 1302 00:57:30.119 --> 00:57:30.480 Go for it? 1303 00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:34.320 Go for it. Okay, So you made a bunch of 1304 00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:37.280 theological claims. Okay, what what? What are the bunch of 1305 00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:40.119 theological things that you can't be in the society? Believe 1306 00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:42.719 this is about ship requirements. You can't be in the 1307 00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:44.920 society if you believe this is this about the deity 1308 00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:48.440 in question? Those are theological claims and assertions. So you 1309 00:57:48.559 --> 00:57:51.320 have a vast theology. Do you not understand this? This 1310 00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:52.519 is a very simple Are you serious? 1311 00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:52.880 No? 1312 00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:54.639 I don't know. When you put the word fastin, did 1313 00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:56.440 you not give me a whole bunch of people that 1314 00:57:56.480 --> 00:57:58.760 wouldn't count, such as a Satanist and such as myself 1315 00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:00.920 believe I'm God or something like that, said those theologies 1316 00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:02.840 don't count. I would say that those people wouldn't get 1317 00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:07.079 into a lodge. Yeah, thank you. So you have theological requirements. 1318 00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:10.840 It's the point that it's a like a vote by 1319 00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:12.599 the people and they would always vote that out, or 1320 00:58:12.639 --> 00:58:14.960 that there's a specific crele. Do I feel like I'm 1321 00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:17.719 talking to children or Muslims? Look at me, holding my 1322 00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:20.840 hands in my face. It's like, how do you not 1323 00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:22.000 get this point right? 1324 00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:25.000 It's like not. This is not a difficult point. 1325 00:58:26.920 --> 00:58:29.280 Do you look like when you were talking to the Bara. 1326 00:58:32.320 --> 00:58:35.599 I actually think that they're not getting the point on 1327 00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:38.800 purpose here, because this would undo the whole thing. You know, 1328 00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:40.039 this is now you're going to be accepted into a 1329 00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:41.880 regular parity. It's it's it's it's my. 1330 00:58:42.039 --> 00:58:42.719 Go ahead, Risen. 1331 00:58:44.599 --> 00:58:46.639 I was gonna say what you just said, but they can't. 1332 00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:49.079 They can't grasp the point because if they did, it's 1333 00:58:49.119 --> 00:58:51.360 over right. So they have to pretend they don't get 1334 00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:53.760 the point, or convince themselves that they don't get a 1335 00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:57.039 point to keep the think going as long as they can't, 1336 00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:00.760 and then that probably increases their internal tension that led 1337 00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:03.320 to them blown up on you a little bit later. 1338 00:59:03.440 --> 00:59:07.679 I guess it's nature an exclusive organization. I actually think 1339 00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:09.800 DJ I'm not lying because there's a lot of people 1340 00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:11.599 over there. This is probably wait, at least over one 1341 00:59:11.679 --> 00:59:13.880 hundred people, and that's not a lot. But I mean 1342 00:59:14.199 --> 00:59:16.559 it was really heated, and it doesn't give the impression 1343 00:59:16.559 --> 00:59:17.960 that it was that heated from this because I think 1344 00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:20.079 they even know the voices, and they've they've clipped some 1345 00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:22.039 of the points to where we got really loud. 1346 00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:23.960 And whether it's a written rule or not. I'm not 1347 00:59:24.039 --> 00:59:25.360 going to let a guy in that thinks he's. 1348 00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:28.440 Got thank you. So that proves my point that you 1349 00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:31.800 have theological dogmatic positions. When you say that there's only 1350 00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:34.239 one dogma, that's not actually the case. There are all 1351 00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:38.239 these theological necessities that you have that exclude all of 1352 00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:40.559 these other types of positions. That's the point. So it's 1353 00:59:40.599 --> 00:59:43.639 not just a fraternity, it's not like a graduate program 1354 00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:47.159 or like AA. That's the point. Well, I see what 1355 00:59:47.239 --> 00:59:49.079 you're trying to say. I would just argue that I 1356 00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:50.440 think there's a difference and we should I think we 1357 00:59:50.480 --> 00:59:54.519 should define this difference between official, written requirements of what 1358 00:59:54.639 --> 00:59:56.280 it means to be a part of an organization and 1359 00:59:56.360 --> 00:59:56.960 then the call. 1360 00:59:56.920 --> 00:59:58.760 To just redefine remove the goal posts. 1361 00:59:58.760 --> 01:00:01.760 Again, sure that is create as a conglomeration or a 1362 01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:03.960 combination of the people who are actually a part of 1363 01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:06.440 that organization. What does that tot? Yeah, I think he 1364 01:00:06.559 --> 01:00:12.400 removed the laughter right and DJ unless he personally added 1365 01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:16.440 me to this, he didn't even link me. 1366 01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:25.440 Uh so, yeah, that's kind of weak. 1367 01:00:25.599 --> 01:00:26.960 So what I'm trying to say is, what I'm trying 1368 01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:29.079 to say is masonry that may not officially make a 1369 01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:34.480 claim regarding the theological truth of Satanism, but because of 1370 01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:37.280 the composition of the organization, it's impossible that a Satanist 1371 01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:39.280 would ever get in, because then you're making a theological 1372 01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:41.639 claim about who is and isn't allowed. Well, certainly, whenever 1373 01:00:41.639 --> 01:00:43.199 you vote on whether or not you can emit somebody 1374 01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:45.599 into a lodge, you're making a decision based off whatever 1375 01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:47.679 arbitrary sentiments or feelings that you have as an individual, 1376 01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:49.480 and that you have a dogma that a specific type 1377 01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:51.320 of feeolo. It doesn't even have to necessarily be based 1378 01:00:51.320 --> 01:00:53.280 on the dogma of freemasonry. I could just blackball somebody 1379 01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:55.000 because I don't like him. Okay, that's an even better 1380 01:00:55.079 --> 01:00:56.880 argument for my case, because now you're admitting that it's 1381 01:00:56.880 --> 01:00:58.800 not just the theology, it's also the practical concerns that 1382 01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:01.159 allow you to jack people. So yeah, that's not that 1383 01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:03.719 is ubut. I'm not making a decision to blackball somebody 1384 01:01:03.760 --> 01:01:05.480 based off of the official position of the fraternity. I'm 1385 01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:07.679 making the position of the decision to blackballs somebody based 1386 01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:10.840 off of just personal preference. But it's still a theological 1387 01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:12.440 personal preference. So that just argues in paper and what 1388 01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:14.320 I'm arguing not even necessarily. I could totally agree with 1389 01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:15.920 somebody's theology, but if I dislike them, I can just 1390 01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:17.519 blackball them. If somebody is a Satanist like and then 1391 01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:19.400 I would satan then it would just be irrelevant to 1392 01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:22.800 the question of whether Freemasonry has theological requirements for membership. 1393 01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:25.960 The only theological requirement for membership is that you believe 1394 01:01:26.000 --> 01:01:27.840 in a supreme being. That is not true, which we 1395 01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:29.880 have seen in the first hour when you explicate that 1396 01:01:29.920 --> 01:01:31.360 you can't be a Satanist, you can't believe you're your 1397 01:01:31.400 --> 01:01:32.880 own God, and a host of other things that would 1398 01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:35.159 exclude you. Always so you're that's always said was that 1399 01:01:35.199 --> 01:01:37.679 you would never get in. I mean, you could technically 1400 01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:39.519 be a Satanist and a congressman. They probably half of 1401 01:01:39.559 --> 01:01:42.159 them are, but nobody would actually vote for you to 1402 01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:44.360 sit outouwardly spoken to Satanists to be a congressman. Are 1403 01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:46.280 you guys just like I don't understand, like you have 1404 01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:50.960 theological requirements that exclude you. Thus you have dogmatic things 1405 01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:53.920 that you hold to. This is a very corglicating like that. 1406 01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:56.039 The explicit requirement is a belief in a supreme being. 1407 01:01:56.239 --> 01:01:58.480 The practical requirements are complicated, and it depends on whichever 1408 01:01:58.519 --> 01:02:00.119 lodge you're trying to join. I mean, if I was 1409 01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:01.320 in the lodgeical liking, you're not going to get in. 1410 01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:02.599 It's a role. Now I don't, I don't. I don't 1411 01:02:02.599 --> 01:02:05.239 think it's irrelevant. You said a specific theological requirement of 1412 01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:07.079 a supreme being, and then I ask you who is that? 1413 01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:07.559 What is that? 1414 01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:09.360 What's the things that exclude me from that? And you 1415 01:02:09.440 --> 01:02:11.239 list all of these things? Yeah, right, he listed all 1416 01:02:11.239 --> 01:02:12.840 those based off of the preference of any lodge. There's 1417 01:02:12.920 --> 01:02:14.960 no way in the culture of free missionry that a 1418 01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:17.440 satans would get accepted in any lodge, regardless of whether 1419 01:02:17.480 --> 01:02:19.199 or not they technically would be allowed, just as there's 1420 01:02:19.199 --> 01:02:21.199 no way that a Satanist would be voted into Congress, 1421 01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:23.280 regardless of the fact that they're technically allowed to be 1422 01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:26.559 a Satanist in Congress. You changed what the requirement was 1423 01:02:26.679 --> 01:02:29.280 to your personal statements and ideas about what whether you 1424 01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:30.960 want a Mason or whether you want a Satanist in 1425 01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:33.480 a lodge. When the question was do you have requirements 1426 01:02:33.519 --> 01:02:34.920 about a type of supreme being? 1427 01:02:35.119 --> 01:02:35.400 And you do. 1428 01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:39.119 We don't. We don't specifically have requirements you do because 1429 01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:41.239 you said a you said, the theology of a Satanis 1430 01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:43.400 is incompatible with the theology of Masonry. That's certainly my 1431 01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:46.119 personal belief. But the notice he keeps shifting back and 1432 01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:51.840 forth being sauce between the Masonic positions requirements in his 1433 01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:53.280 own personal requirements. 1434 01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:53.800 That wasn't. 1435 01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:58.880 The debate is whether Freemasonry allows and should allow on 1436 01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:01.079 the basis of what they say about Supreme being a 1437 01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:03.320 Satanist and that it's saing consistent and he keeps. 1438 01:03:03.159 --> 01:03:06.840 Going to well, I wouldn't want it totally irrelevant to debate, dude. 1439 01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:08.880 I didn't say the theology of Freemasery said the principles 1440 01:03:08.920 --> 01:03:12.000 and values of freemas or a epitheology. Nothing antithetical between 1441 01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:14.679 a Satanist and free and a Freemason theologically. I believe 1442 01:03:14.760 --> 01:03:16.760 that there is something antithetical between a Satanist and a 1443 01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:19.280 Freemason philosophically, and that is my personal belief, which I think. 1444 01:03:20.000 --> 01:03:21.199 But I was using a theistic. 1445 01:03:20.960 --> 01:03:23.400 Satanist, so I'm still unaware of these Satanists that think 1446 01:03:23.480 --> 01:03:24.960 that he is the Supreme being. 1447 01:03:25.199 --> 01:03:28.400 Theistic Satanists believe that. Okay, it doesn't matter whether even 1448 01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:30.159 if there weren't any I get theoretically propose that as 1449 01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:32.599 a thing. Imagine you can't come up with every hypothetical 1450 01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:34.639 you want. But well, that's why they're useful for debates, 1451 01:03:34.679 --> 01:03:36.599 So it doesn't matter whether they exists and how you 1452 01:03:36.639 --> 01:03:40.039 do debates bro So again, the point, as Obo see, 1453 01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:42.360 is that when we say exactly what they mean by 1454 01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:45.199 the supreme being, they have all these qualifications and these criteria, 1455 01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:47.280 and then Chase shifts it to say, that's my personal 1456 01:03:47.360 --> 01:03:49.039 ethical reason why I don't want a Satanist in here, 1457 01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:51.480 shifting away from what the actual question is, which is 1458 01:03:51.559 --> 01:03:53.880 does Masonry have a dogma? They admitted, yes, it's just 1459 01:03:53.920 --> 01:03:56.280 a supreme being, but then we find out in practice 1460 01:03:56.320 --> 01:03:58.880 and in reality it's not just a supreme being because 1461 01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:00.719 what do you even know what that is? We're not. Again, 1462 01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:04.840 it's like over and over and over. Having a dogma, 1463 01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:07.199 or specifically having the dogma of a belief in a 1464 01:04:07.239 --> 01:04:09.199 supreme being, is in any way, shape or form incompatible 1465 01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:12.039 with Christianity, because that's one of the dogmas of Christianity too, 1466 01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:13.480 that you must believe in a supreme being. It's called 1467 01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:16.079 a word concept fallacy. It's called the quantifier shift fallacy. 1468 01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:18.440 Let me give an example really quick. I have one mother, 1469 01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:20.679 You have one mother. You have one mother. Therefore we 1470 01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:23.559 all have the same mother. That's a fallacy because just 1471 01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:26.079 because they're all having one as they're referent, it doesn't 1472 01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:28.360 mean they're the same. So likewise, because all the religions 1473 01:04:28.400 --> 01:04:30.599 believe in a God, it doesn't mean it's the same God. Yeah, 1474 01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:32.920 so you don't claim that it is right, but freemasiety, 1475 01:04:33.159 --> 01:04:34.280 I think, well, I see what you're saying, and I 1476 01:04:34.400 --> 01:04:37.000 understand your point. You're right, but freemasonry does not make 1477 01:04:37.039 --> 01:04:39.880 a claim as to which supreme being is the real 1478 01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:42.360 true supreme being. Then it's meant to be ambiguous so 1479 01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:45.400 that all faith could connect. It's meant to be ambiguous, 1480 01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:47.679 and thank you, that was the point for frick an 1481 01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:50.119 hour and a half. It was meant to be ambiguous 1482 01:04:50.159 --> 01:04:52.440 so all the faiths can join. But remember a minute ago, 1483 01:04:53.079 --> 01:04:57.039 it's not ambiguous. We don't allow certain bad people. This 1484 01:04:57.280 --> 01:04:59.719 is the whole point. They don't understand. They keep it 1485 01:05:00.920 --> 01:05:04.480 my point about it being a contradiction, and you turn 1486 01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:06.760 around and you specify who gets in and who doesn't 1487 01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:08.760 get in based on the theology. That's the whole argument. No, 1488 01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:11.480 I didn't, in fact solicitly denied the term theology. And 1489 01:05:11.519 --> 01:05:13.760 what I explicitly stated, how is that there's no way 1490 01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:15.440 that a Satanist would get into a lodge because in 1491 01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:18.480 any given lodge that person would death certainly be blackballed 1492 01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:20.320 by one of the members. Dude, do you not understand 1493 01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:23.159 the argument? I'm not asking you do Mason's like Satanists. 1494 01:05:23.199 --> 01:05:26.519 The question is the point is that the argument demonstrates 1495 01:05:26.599 --> 01:05:30.039 that supreme Being is sufficiently vague as to not mean anything, 1496 01:05:30.360 --> 01:05:32.440 and your arbitrary when you start to say who doesn't 1497 01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:34.920 get in because those are theological assertions? That's the argument 1498 01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:37.119 percent agree with you on. That is it took an 1499 01:05:37.159 --> 01:05:39.239 hour and a half again to come back to this 1500 01:05:39.400 --> 01:05:44.039 same obvious argument, and he every time shifts it to 1501 01:05:44.119 --> 01:05:46.880 saying we don't like Satanists do. 1502 01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:50.159 That's not I don't. It's not the question. The question 1503 01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:52.119 is it's a test. 1504 01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:57.079 Case that's used like possible world's arguments. They're not saying 1505 01:05:57.159 --> 01:06:01.519 the possible worlds are real multi versus their examples to 1506 01:06:01.639 --> 01:06:06.280 illustrate the logical inconsistency and saying that Freemasonry has a 1507 01:06:06.360 --> 01:06:08.320 dogma that you have to believe in a supreme being. 1508 01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:12.599 Okay, what if the supreme Being is Satan? Oh, that 1509 01:06:12.719 --> 01:06:13.400 doesn't count. 1510 01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:17.000 Why because of this, this, this, this, this, and all 1511 01:06:17.039 --> 01:06:19.960 the other qualifications are theological positions? 1512 01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:22.880 Well no, but it's because we don't like you personally. 1513 01:06:23.679 --> 01:06:26.239 How could it be I don't like you personally when 1514 01:06:26.440 --> 01:06:31.039 the question is what's the theological contradiction between that being 1515 01:06:31.119 --> 01:06:34.480 my personal higher supreme being? So they keep shifting it 1516 01:06:34.639 --> 01:06:36.840 over to we don't we wouldn't let a Satanist in? 1517 01:06:37.639 --> 01:06:39.440 Not asking you would you let a Satanist in? I'm 1518 01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:42.000 asking on what basis is a Satanist not allowed in? 1519 01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:47.400 If the supreme Being is himself or Satan? And they 1520 01:06:47.480 --> 01:06:49.960 just can't compute that what you just said. I just 1521 01:06:49.960 --> 01:06:52.000 don't understand the point, Like, I don't see how you 1522 01:06:52.079 --> 01:06:53.679 don't have one dogma and there's no this thing as 1523 01:06:53.719 --> 01:06:55.039 in eerth is And that's the point. We don't have 1524 01:06:55.079 --> 01:06:57.079 a dogma. We don't have one dogma. Is that what 1525 01:06:57.119 --> 01:07:00.000 you're saying? Yes, then how is that incompatible with Christianity? 1526 01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:02.119 If there's no dogma to be in conflict with Christianity? 1527 01:07:03.400 --> 01:07:05.119 The point is that you claim to not have a dogma, 1528 01:07:05.159 --> 01:07:06.760 but you actually have a whole bunch. That's what you're saying. 1529 01:07:06.800 --> 01:07:09.559 We have a dogma, now, yeah, it's a condrediction. Yeah, 1530 01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:11.920 and the dogma is that we require the belief in 1531 01:07:11.920 --> 01:07:14.360 a supreme being. And that is right more than Christianity 1532 01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:16.039 requires a belief in a supreme being too. And it's 1533 01:07:16.079 --> 01:07:18.679 totally doatible with Freemasonry for you to believe that's suprevicre 1534 01:07:18.760 --> 01:07:20.880 He went back to the quantifier shift fallacy. Because there's 1535 01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:22.719 a supreme being, then it's a supreme being. What's the 1536 01:07:22.840 --> 01:07:25.360 pro and it is the God of Jesus Christ's Christianity. 1537 01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:28.960 Supreme Being is the Triune God. It is not generic 1538 01:07:29.039 --> 01:07:31.519 theism that allows a Muslim and Hinder diet sample. Say, oh, 1539 01:07:31.559 --> 01:07:33.760 where in Freemasonry does it say that the Triune God 1540 01:07:33.880 --> 01:07:35.639 is not the supreme Being? Yes, it is, because you 1541 01:07:35.719 --> 01:07:36.719 just said that. You can be a member of the 1542 01:07:36.760 --> 01:07:38.440 lodge if you believe in all these crazy heretical groups 1543 01:07:38.480 --> 01:07:40.320 because you recognize a supreme being. No, no, you don't 1544 01:07:40.719 --> 01:07:42.880 want supreme being is legitimate. You recognize that that person 1545 01:07:42.960 --> 01:07:44.679 believes in that supreme being. Therefore you can believe that 1546 01:07:44.679 --> 01:07:46.159 if they take an oath upon the Supreme Being, that 1547 01:07:46.199 --> 01:07:48.440 they believe in that they will be held accountable. They 1548 01:07:48.440 --> 01:07:50.079 will believe that they will be held accountable to that oath, 1549 01:07:50.119 --> 01:07:52.119 regardless of whether or not they actually will be held accountable. 1550 01:07:52.159 --> 01:07:54.199 For example, if I'm a Muslim and I want to 1551 01:07:54.199 --> 01:07:55.599 take my oath on a Karan instead of a Bible 1552 01:07:55.599 --> 01:07:57.880 because I'm a Muslim, right, Freemasonry doesn't claim whether all 1553 01:07:57.960 --> 01:07:59.639 is God or he always God, or whether Jesus Christ 1554 01:07:59.719 --> 01:08:01.079 is God. But if you're a Muslim, we want you 1555 01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:04.000 to take an oath on. But it does by claiming 1556 01:08:04.119 --> 01:08:07.599 that the higher power of Masonry is a generic theism. 1557 01:08:08.360 --> 01:08:12.239 That's the claim. That is a denial of Christianity's exclusivity 1558 01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:13.320 exclusivity claims. 1559 01:08:13.400 --> 01:08:16.000 That's the point. That's my argument that they can't. 1560 01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:18.239 Get books that you believe in because we believe that 1561 01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:20.840 you believe you'll be held here. You believe it. I'm 1562 01:08:20.840 --> 01:08:22.199 gonna say you're trying to remove it from what said. 1563 01:08:22.199 --> 01:08:23.680 But did you just say free Masonry does not believe 1564 01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:25.560 that Jesus song of God. I said. It doesn't even 1565 01:08:25.680 --> 01:08:28.520 claim either way, it doesn't make it claim. All it 1566 01:08:28.600 --> 01:08:30.359 claims is that you must believe in a supreme being. 1567 01:08:30.520 --> 01:08:34.119 And I'm arguing that the Supreme Being itself. This line 1568 01:08:34.119 --> 01:08:36.199 of argument that you guys have is a denial of 1569 01:08:36.279 --> 01:08:39.079 Jesus and the Trinity. That's my argument. No, it is right, 1570 01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:40.479 just like you said that. The just like you said 1571 01:08:40.520 --> 01:08:42.800 that the believe even higher power and does what you 1572 01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:44.640 say about the Supreme Being and when you flesh it 1573 01:08:44.720 --> 01:08:48.439 out contradicts the Christian theology of No Jesus is. There 1574 01:08:48.520 --> 01:08:51.560 is no contradiction. But I believe that Jesus. The fact 1575 01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:54.359 that you make it subjective doesn't remove my arguments for us. 1576 01:08:54.479 --> 01:08:55.840 That has nothing to do with what we're arguing. 1577 01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:56.199 I think it. 1578 01:08:56.319 --> 01:08:58.920 Yeah, you guys, O there, you guys think thory objectively 1579 01:08:59.119 --> 01:09:02.000 entire argument. Masonry objectively does not deny Christ. It's just 1580 01:09:02.079 --> 01:09:05.039 objectively doesn't when you all like our alcoholics anonymous doesn't 1581 01:09:05.039 --> 01:09:08.119 your believing and the supreme Deity is itself a denial 1582 01:09:08.199 --> 01:09:11.039 of who Christ is. That's the argument. You don't believe 1583 01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:13.680 in a supreme God. You already showed you the word 1584 01:09:13.720 --> 01:09:15.960 concept fallacy and the quantifier shift that when you say 1585 01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:18.319 supreme God, if I believe the Supreme God is Satan, 1586 01:09:18.560 --> 01:09:21.039 you qualify it to prove my point that it's a quantify, 1587 01:09:21.039 --> 01:09:23.479 I understand, but it's just to require people to believe 1588 01:09:23.520 --> 01:09:25.000 in a supreme being. It's not the same thing as 1589 01:09:25.039 --> 01:09:28.520 acknowledging the authenticity of any specific supreme being Freemasonry. He's 1590 01:09:28.520 --> 01:09:31.880 not claiming which God is the real God's requiring My 1591 01:09:31.920 --> 01:09:34.159 point right, because it's not a religion, it's a secular 1592 01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:35.079 There we go. 1593 01:09:36.119 --> 01:09:44.920 So the supreme Being is sufficiently generic to be Shiva, Hindu, whatever, allah. 1594 01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:48.520 But also you can't be in it if you're a 1595 01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:51.880 Satanist and Gnostic, et cetera. Hopefully people see this is 1596 01:09:51.960 --> 01:09:52.439 so silly. 1597 01:09:52.680 --> 01:09:54.920 Oh, it is, as we've seen, as you qualify all 1598 01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:56.680 of these things that exclude you. So yeah, but the 1599 01:09:56.720 --> 01:09:58.680 way I qualified it was not by the official policies 1600 01:09:58.680 --> 01:10:01.520 of any Masonic doctrine or law or writing. I was sufficient. 1601 01:10:01.680 --> 01:10:03.239 I'm just telling you that the culture of the fraternity 1602 01:10:03.279 --> 01:10:04.720 is never going to have house somebody like that culture. 1603 01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:06.359 That doesn't matter. All I have to do is logically 1604 01:10:06.479 --> 01:10:08.439 prove that when you say that it's a supreme being, 1605 01:10:08.760 --> 01:10:10.800 it is not equivalence to the Christian doctrine of the 1606 01:10:10.840 --> 01:10:13.159 Trinity in the d of Christ. It's it's a quantifier 1607 01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:15.279 shift fallacy. It's a word concept fallacy because you keep 1608 01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:17.760 asking me, don't you believe in a supreme being? I 1609 01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:20.640 don't believe in the supreme being. As masonry philosophy lays out, 1610 01:10:20.840 --> 01:10:23.199 Masonry doesn't lay out. It does lay out at you see. 1611 01:10:23.279 --> 01:10:25.079 Every time we talk about it, they explain that masonry 1612 01:10:25.119 --> 01:10:27.399 philosophy allows it to be anything that you paste onto it. 1613 01:10:27.560 --> 01:10:30.399 That is the argument why it's false. It accepts different 1614 01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:32.880 philosophies in thanks geology, the idea there we go, so 1615 01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:36.319 it's sufficiently relativistic that it's not a specific God. Does 1616 01:10:36.359 --> 01:10:39.600 the God of the Bible sound like he's nonspecific or specific? 1617 01:10:40.079 --> 01:10:43.520 If he's specific, then you pushing the Masonic gibberish is 1618 01:10:43.640 --> 01:10:48.119 against him. The non specific God in Acts seventeen is 1619 01:10:48.159 --> 01:10:51.720 the one that they don't know the end of the organization. 1620 01:10:51.800 --> 01:10:53.800 It accepts those, but it does not condone or endorse 1621 01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:56.560 any of them to be. Acceptance of a supreme generic 1622 01:10:56.680 --> 01:10:59.479 being is itself a rejection of the trinity and is 1623 01:10:59.479 --> 01:11:01.439 the one has it's lux anonymous requires you to believe 1624 01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:03.520 in a higher power, but does not specify which higher 1625 01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:06.000 power you must believe in. It is explicitly denying Christ. 1626 01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:09.520 If you're arguing that the supreme Being that allows for 1627 01:11:09.680 --> 01:11:12.920 all of the sex to come together under the Masonic banner. Yes, no, 1628 01:11:13.199 --> 01:11:16.520 but there is no personification of a specific God in freemasonry. 1629 01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:18.239 There's just the requirement that you believe in the Supreme 1630 01:11:18.279 --> 01:11:21.279 Being the required and you say believe in the Supreme Being. 1631 01:11:21.439 --> 01:11:24.439 You are attaching predicates that specify certain types of things, 1632 01:11:24.479 --> 01:11:26.079 and then when you explain what that is, you say 1633 01:11:26.119 --> 01:11:27.760 that it can't be theistic Satanism and it can't be 1634 01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:30.439 me being God. So you refute yourself when you explain 1635 01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:33.880 the terms. I disagree because the right for you. But Rsjoen, 1636 01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:36.319 that's wrong. The reputation of a satan is getting into aldge. 1637 01:11:36.319 --> 01:11:37.640 It is not a matter in policy. It's a matter 1638 01:11:37.680 --> 01:11:40.279 of practical outcome that's irrelevant to the way that you 1639 01:11:40.399 --> 01:11:42.199 theologically describe the Supreme Being. 1640 01:11:42.800 --> 01:11:47.319 Still, having a base set of requirements or foundational beliefs 1641 01:11:48.119 --> 01:11:50.159 is not the same as us being a religion or 1642 01:11:50.199 --> 01:11:51.960 making the claim that all religions are equal. Then we're 1643 01:11:51.960 --> 01:11:52.960 all words being the same God. 1644 01:11:53.039 --> 01:11:54.800 And I didn't argue that. I just simply argued that 1645 01:11:55.199 --> 01:11:58.680 the claim that you allow for and require a belief 1646 01:11:58.760 --> 01:12:00.880 and a higher power that is a supreme being, is 1647 01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:04.159 itself already a rejection of the Trinity indi duty of Christ. 1648 01:12:04.239 --> 01:12:06.520 That's the argument. Now you can say we don't require 1649 01:12:06.560 --> 01:12:09.560 specific belief. None of that addresses the argument that I'm making. 1650 01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:10.279 Do you not understand? 1651 01:12:10.319 --> 01:12:10.399 Now? 1652 01:12:10.439 --> 01:12:12.560 I think I understand. I just I just fundamentally disagree. 1653 01:12:12.800 --> 01:12:15.800 And how is it wrong? Because I think that requiring 1654 01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:17.880 someone to believe in a supreme breed, this is supreme being, 1655 01:12:17.880 --> 01:12:19.199 in order to be a member of an organization is 1656 01:12:19.239 --> 01:12:22.279 not explicitly denying any specifics. There's nothing you denied that 1657 01:12:22.319 --> 01:12:24.760 it's the theistic Satanist being. So that's why you're wrong. 1658 01:12:24.960 --> 01:12:28.279 There's no conga I've ever experienced or been required in 1659 01:12:28.439 --> 01:12:32.159 masonry that has alluded to or required me to somehow 1660 01:12:33.560 --> 01:12:35.840 not have a belief in a trinity, not have a 1661 01:12:35.840 --> 01:12:39.039 belief in Jesus. The fact that these are my individual 1662 01:12:39.199 --> 01:12:41.359 personal beliefs that make me a part of this organization. 1663 01:12:41.439 --> 01:12:43.239 And we've beat this to death, but we could go 1664 01:12:43.319 --> 01:12:44.600 into like why this even exists? 1665 01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:48.560 Like why what I mean? They're still not addressing the argument. 1666 01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:50.960 It's flying, it's right in their face and it's going 1667 01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:54.319 over their heads. The argument is that must Masonry is 1668 01:12:54.439 --> 01:12:58.479 teaching that you have to believe in some supreme higher power. 1669 01:12:59.199 --> 01:13:03.439 The genericism there is inconsistent and as a dogma, and 1670 01:13:03.640 --> 01:13:08.079 is also contradictory to what Jesus says about himself. That's 1671 01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:10.840 the argument, and they keep saying, but you don't have 1672 01:13:10.920 --> 01:13:13.319 to believe anything to be in masonry. 1673 01:13:14.279 --> 01:13:17.039 That's the thing that's contradictory to Christianity. 1674 01:13:17.560 --> 01:13:19.840 Why do we even have this fraternity where we allow 1675 01:13:19.960 --> 01:13:22.039 members of different beliefs to be in it? And it's 1676 01:13:22.159 --> 01:13:25.079 essentially goes back. You know, there's a little bit of 1677 01:13:25.119 --> 01:13:27.439 debate on who started first, the Scots and the Londoners 1678 01:13:27.520 --> 01:13:29.319 kind of argue over who had the first lodge, but 1679 01:13:29.439 --> 01:13:31.640 essentially you're coming out of the era of the English 1680 01:13:31.640 --> 01:13:34.319 Civil War, and prior to the English Civil War you 1681 01:13:34.479 --> 01:13:37.199 also have several other religious wars in Europe, and they 1682 01:13:37.239 --> 01:13:39.560 were trying to create a society of men who had 1683 01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:43.079 different religious beliefs but could still come together and work 1684 01:13:43.159 --> 01:13:45.439 on themselves and work together for good. That was that 1685 01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:48.399 was the entire purpose of it and why we allowed 1686 01:13:48.399 --> 01:13:52.079 it to be open to these different religions. Yes, with 1687 01:13:52.199 --> 01:13:56.319 some qualifiers, jay are those theological qualifiers perhaps if you 1688 01:13:56.319 --> 01:13:58.279 want to lay it. Oh wait, it's two hours to 1689 01:13:58.319 --> 01:13:59.039 get this at it does that? 1690 01:13:59.239 --> 01:14:01.800 So there he admitted theological qualifiers right there? 1691 01:14:02.039 --> 01:14:04.000 Make it a theology? Does that make it yeah? I'm 1692 01:14:04.039 --> 01:14:06.079 genera that makes it yeah. 1693 01:14:06.079 --> 01:14:09.199 I feel a some sort of qualifier against Satanism makes 1694 01:14:09.239 --> 01:14:10.600 it incompatible leak or Sianity. 1695 01:14:11.000 --> 01:14:12.960 These qualifiers, here's what it here. I'm the problem. These 1696 01:14:13.039 --> 01:14:16.239 qualifiers are not a matter of explicit written Masonic policy. 1697 01:14:16.279 --> 01:14:19.880 These qualifiers are a practical outcome of the content of 1698 01:14:19.920 --> 01:14:22.680 the membership. All right, I think we've beat this to death. 1699 01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:25.920 Let's uh, I have a final question. I want to 1700 01:14:25.920 --> 01:14:27.840 go around the horn, and anybody wants to ask a 1701 01:14:27.920 --> 01:14:31.159 question during this can go walk up over there and 1702 01:14:31.319 --> 01:14:34.439 go towards the audience. Mike, Joel, and Sara, would you 1703 01:14:34.439 --> 01:14:37.560 mind getting a position for that? And okay, so I 1704 01:14:37.680 --> 01:14:39.920 want to ask a ending question real quick, and so 1705 01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:41.520 we can start with Chase and go all the way 1706 01:14:41.560 --> 01:14:46.159 around here. If Paul were alive today and he was 1707 01:14:46.199 --> 01:14:48.600 writing a letter to Freemasonry more broadly, now I know 1708 01:14:48.680 --> 01:14:51.039 it's not a centralized force. Let's just say the same 1709 01:14:51.279 --> 01:14:53.720 letter goes to each each lodge. So he's writing to 1710 01:14:54.039 --> 01:14:57.640 you know, Freemasonry TM more broadly, yeah, the Institution First 1711 01:14:57.720 --> 01:15:01.880 Masons Chapter three. Well, I just what do you think 1712 01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:05.560 Paul's sentiment towards Freemasonry would be. So he's writing letters 1713 01:15:05.560 --> 01:15:07.720 to all churches, not you know, not just Freemasonry as 1714 01:15:08.199 --> 01:15:10.640 you know, an institution or whatever, But what do you 1715 01:15:10.680 --> 01:15:12.600 have positive things to say, negative things to say? Do 1716 01:15:12.600 --> 01:15:15.359 you think he'd be just in different period. That's a 1717 01:15:15.399 --> 01:15:17.119 really good question. Frankly, I don't know the answer. 1718 01:15:18.399 --> 01:15:20.960 Yeah, I'd really hate to pretend that I could speak 1719 01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:26.600 for the Apostle Paul that said. You know, Paul was 1720 01:15:26.640 --> 01:15:31.079 a student of comparative religion. He did study other religions, 1721 01:15:31.079 --> 01:15:32.680 and he went in and tried to connect with him. 1722 01:15:32.720 --> 01:15:36.880 I don't think I can't think of a theological position 1723 01:15:36.960 --> 01:15:40.000 of the Apostle Paul that would be contradictrit. 1724 01:15:39.680 --> 01:15:41.039 Science exactly right. 1725 01:15:41.800 --> 01:15:44.199 Hopefully people can figure out where I'm immediately going to go, 1726 01:15:44.279 --> 01:15:47.439 because it turns out there already is a biblical discussion 1727 01:15:47.479 --> 01:15:51.840 from Paul about the Unknown God towards Freemasonry. Maybe Jay 1728 01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:54.079 as one right, Well, so we actually have a biblical 1729 01:15:54.119 --> 01:15:55.800 example of the very thing that was asked, which is 1730 01:15:56.000 --> 01:15:59.079 essentially the mars Hill discourse where Paul goes to debate 1731 01:15:59.439 --> 01:16:02.199 the Greek philosophers and the Pagans in Act seventeen. And 1732 01:16:02.239 --> 01:16:03.880 if you look at Act seventeen in the philosophy that 1733 01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:06.439 they have, and certainly there were probably different philosophers there. 1734 01:16:06.439 --> 01:16:10.520 The Postoics are mentioned, Epicureans are mentioned, but probably Platonists 1735 01:16:10.520 --> 01:16:13.119 by Thagorieans. Who knows. But one of the dominant elements 1736 01:16:13.159 --> 01:16:16.359 of Hellenic philosophy was the idea that the world was 1737 01:16:16.479 --> 01:16:19.239 eternally in motion or eternally moved. And that's whether that's 1738 01:16:19.279 --> 01:16:23.680 Plato's emanations or Platonius's later emanations after Paul, or whether 1739 01:16:23.720 --> 01:16:26.720 that's Aristotle's eternal mover arguments. Again, you heard me at 1740 01:16:26.760 --> 01:16:29.600 the very beginning mentioned that in Basil Sexameron, in Lecture two, 1741 01:16:29.680 --> 01:16:31.960 he mentions the deity of Aristotle being a diad, which 1742 01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:38.479 is an eternal world moved and accessarily existing through the 1743 01:16:38.560 --> 01:16:41.600 first cause or the first actualizer. So in that philosophy 1744 01:16:41.680 --> 01:16:44.720 you can see Paul refuting them in Act seventeen, having 1745 01:16:44.760 --> 01:16:46.960 a sense of the philosophy of generic theism that Masonry 1746 01:16:46.960 --> 01:16:50.319 holds to, and Paul argues that the deity that the 1747 01:16:50.359 --> 01:16:52.960 Athenians are worshiping. He says that they even have an 1748 01:16:53.000 --> 01:16:55.479 idol to the unknown God there without any anim And 1749 01:16:55.560 --> 01:16:58.720 he says that deity that you claim to worship, this 1750 01:16:58.880 --> 01:17:01.560 unknown God or this law lost name that we mentioned earlier, 1751 01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:03.239 that I mentioned earlier tonight, that Mastron has this lost 1752 01:17:03.359 --> 01:17:05.079 name of God. Well, it turns out Paul actually answers 1753 01:17:05.079 --> 01:17:07.319 all those questions. He says, the unknown God is the 1754 01:17:07.399 --> 01:17:10.159 one that you actually worship unknowingly. And I don't believe 1755 01:17:10.199 --> 01:17:12.560 that that means that Masons are actually worshiping God or Christ. 1756 01:17:12.880 --> 01:17:15.960 It is the trinitarian deity that is expressed through the 1757 01:17:16.039 --> 01:17:18.159 incarnation of the Lord Jesus Christ. So he actually says 1758 01:17:18.199 --> 01:17:20.039 that we do know the name of God. It's Jesus, 1759 01:17:20.239 --> 01:17:23.880 it's not Jabalan, it's not the Tetragramaton. All the Tetragramaton 1760 01:17:23.920 --> 01:17:26.039 points to Christ. So the answers in XT. Seventeen ironically, 1761 01:17:26.680 --> 01:17:29.079 all right, right, we got time for a few questions. 1762 01:17:29.239 --> 01:17:32.000 Keep it to one, please, and go for it. So 1763 01:17:32.319 --> 01:17:34.600 on the Freemason sider, I remember when you said that 1764 01:17:34.720 --> 01:17:36.800 you don't know which books are in the Bible. 1765 01:17:36.600 --> 01:17:39.119 And which There's some really good questions, by the way, which. 1766 01:17:39.000 --> 01:17:41.600 Aren't, and I really like that kind of Christianity. I 1767 01:17:41.720 --> 01:17:44.119 have here with me the recently discovered Gospel of Jack. 1768 01:17:44.319 --> 01:17:46.279 It's a very short book, but it is divinely inspired 1769 01:17:46.319 --> 01:17:48.800 and perfect. Just like the rest of the Gospels. It says, 1770 01:17:48.880 --> 01:17:51.319 and then Jesus said, give Jack Althorney all the women 1771 01:17:51.399 --> 01:17:54.000 he may, he alone may have infinity wives. Do you 1772 01:17:54.199 --> 01:17:57.199 reject the Gospel of Jack? If yes, why please? 1773 01:17:57.640 --> 01:17:57.800 Jay? 1774 01:17:58.000 --> 01:18:01.720 Answer? First, Well, Christianity was provided by Christ with a 1775 01:18:01.800 --> 01:18:04.680 normative authority within history to make these types of decisions 1776 01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:06.800 in a synodial conciliar way. We can see in the 1777 01:18:06.800 --> 01:18:09.520 first thousand years of the Church that Christianity always had 1778 01:18:09.720 --> 01:18:11.960 these types of local and ecumenical synods, and so that's 1779 01:18:11.960 --> 01:18:14.039 the normative way that the church is governed. There are 1780 01:18:14.039 --> 01:18:15.880 people who make the decisions of who's in and who's out. 1781 01:18:16.359 --> 01:18:18.840 That's the Orthodox Church pretty clearly in the first thousand years, 1782 01:18:19.079 --> 01:18:21.039 and I would say that that's probably still the case today. 1783 01:18:24.079 --> 01:18:25.479 Do I reject the Gospel of Jack? 1784 01:18:25.800 --> 01:18:26.000 Yeah? 1785 01:18:26.039 --> 01:18:26.079 What? 1786 01:18:28.880 --> 01:18:29.039 Yes? 1787 01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:31.319 I reject the Gospel of Jack. I'm going to answer 1788 01:18:31.359 --> 01:18:33.239 the question why. Other than the fact that it was 1789 01:18:33.439 --> 01:18:35.319 made up as an example an argument to ask a question. 1790 01:18:38.039 --> 01:18:41.800 They never understand theoretical lines of argument. It's kind of 1791 01:18:41.840 --> 01:18:46.840 blows my mind, like they actually just take every hypothetical 1792 01:18:46.960 --> 01:18:49.640 as if you're saying it literally. This is so silly. 1793 01:18:50.960 --> 01:18:53.000 It just doesn't. It doesn't line up with any that 1794 01:18:53.039 --> 01:18:55.039 the context of the currenteology that I have, but I 1795 01:18:55.119 --> 01:18:56.399 currently believe it's unnecessary. 1796 01:18:57.000 --> 01:19:00.479 So because it doesn't line up with Chase is current 1797 01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:02.199 theology is the reason why. 1798 01:19:02.680 --> 01:19:03.720 It doesn't line up at all with any of the 1799 01:19:03.760 --> 01:19:06.199 Christian philosophy in the New Testament. So do you determine 1800 01:19:06.199 --> 01:19:08.399 the canon? Do I determine now? And Jesus does, but 1801 01:19:08.439 --> 01:19:11.039 we do our best to determine the canon scripture. I'm sorry, 1802 01:19:11.119 --> 01:19:14.720 where did Janus determined? I'm sorry that your question. Yes, 1803 01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:18.439 So here's my philosophy on on the on the Bible. 1804 01:19:18.520 --> 01:19:22.760 Let me just be explicit here. It's obvious he used the. 1805 01:19:22.840 --> 01:19:26.720 Term my current theology, right, So this is, of course 1806 01:19:26.960 --> 01:19:29.920 assumption that your theology is in flux, is changing. 1807 01:19:30.039 --> 01:19:32.039 It's not eternally true. 1808 01:19:32.600 --> 01:19:34.520 I mean he affirmed earlier that he doesn't even think 1809 01:19:34.520 --> 01:19:38.159 you can know absolute truth or have any sort of 1810 01:19:38.399 --> 01:19:39.439 epistemic certainty. 1811 01:19:39.600 --> 01:19:44.680 So that's that's Briefically, it's from from the New Testament, 1812 01:19:44.720 --> 01:19:46.199 that you can be a Christian before the Bible was 1813 01:19:46.239 --> 01:19:49.239 compiled or written. Right, it's obvious that people readingmatized Christian 1814 01:19:49.800 --> 01:19:51.880 even before Jesus was dead or any of it actually happened. 1815 01:19:51.880 --> 01:19:54.640 There was Baptists that were taking place. And one of 1816 01:19:54.720 --> 01:19:58.079 the concerns that I have about contemporary Christianity. I don't 1817 01:19:58.079 --> 01:20:01.159 mean to make this specifically theological, because it doesn't really 1818 01:20:01.199 --> 01:20:04.199 matter what I think is true or not religiously, as 1819 01:20:04.239 --> 01:20:05.960 far as is relevant to the argument that rab about 1820 01:20:05.960 --> 01:20:08.279 whether or not Free Mason's campatible Christianity. I think one 1821 01:20:08.319 --> 01:20:10.439 of the mistakes that modern contemporary Christians make is they 1822 01:20:10.520 --> 01:20:12.880 worship the Bible as a false idol, and they study 1823 01:20:12.960 --> 01:20:15.279 it more than they contemplate and pursue a relationship with God. 1824 01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:17.520 So if you can be a Christian without the Bible, 1825 01:20:17.600 --> 01:20:20.439 that means that the Bible is it's something that's added 1826 01:20:20.520 --> 01:20:24.520 that's unnecessary. It's important, it contains true truth, It documents 1827 01:20:24.560 --> 01:20:27.840 why happed historically, it explains the theology. But I get 1828 01:20:28.399 --> 01:20:32.159 I feel miffed sometimes by Christians who who spend all 1829 01:20:32.199 --> 01:20:35.560 their time studying specific verses and specific letters that weren't 1830 01:20:35.560 --> 01:20:38.239 even required to be known or written or conceived in 1831 01:20:38.359 --> 01:20:39.680 order to be a Christian originally, and I think that 1832 01:20:39.680 --> 01:20:41.720 we should focus on a relationship with God through Jesus 1833 01:20:41.840 --> 01:20:44.840 Christ more than we focus on studying the scripture. I 1834 01:20:44.920 --> 01:20:50.239 do feel that way personally. No, it's a controversial. Take mind, 1835 01:20:50.239 --> 01:20:51.199 you want answer that? Or do you want to go 1836 01:20:51.239 --> 01:20:51.560 next one? 1837 01:20:51.640 --> 01:20:51.760 Oh? 1838 01:20:51.920 --> 01:20:52.520 What are we still on? 1839 01:20:52.640 --> 01:20:52.920 All right? 1840 01:20:53.560 --> 01:20:55.319 Jack? Yes, let's just go to the action one here 1841 01:20:55.359 --> 01:20:55.880 for a time sake. 1842 01:20:55.960 --> 01:20:58.560 I believe God's a paradox, and I think even now 1843 01:20:58.680 --> 01:21:02.000 the Orthodox Church allows non Christians beyond the nave. But 1844 01:21:02.119 --> 01:21:04.079 my question is specific for Ja, but everyone to chime in. 1845 01:21:05.479 --> 01:21:07.800 I'm employed at a multinational corporation. We have over six 1846 01:21:07.880 --> 01:21:11.520 hundred thousand employees, and we even employ irreligious atheists. 1847 01:21:11.760 --> 01:21:14.880 I have private, closed door business meetings with them. This 1848 01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:17.279 is so, this is so low to here. This guy's like, 1849 01:21:18.039 --> 01:21:20.239 so I can't be a new corporation because I'm in 1850 01:21:20.319 --> 01:21:23.239 there with other non Christians. As if it's like an 1851 01:21:23.279 --> 01:21:28.119 equivalence between the Masonic lodge and a corporation. Does that 1852 01:21:28.199 --> 01:21:33.920 conflict with my Roman Catholic Christian duties in religion? I 1853 01:21:33.960 --> 01:21:37.359 wouldn't think so. As a Roman Catholic, you have there 1854 01:21:37.640 --> 01:21:39.439 that I've never heard of anything that would conflict between 1855 01:21:39.640 --> 01:21:42.479 a corporate stance unless you were, through the corporation explicitly 1856 01:21:42.560 --> 01:21:45.640 required to do something that would be immortal sin or 1857 01:21:45.640 --> 01:21:49.399 something like that. Thank you are Are you making the 1858 01:21:49.439 --> 01:21:53.760 equivalence to Masonry if you gather that and deduce it, 1859 01:21:53.840 --> 01:21:55.520 I think it's fair. I think he's trying to I 1860 01:21:55.560 --> 01:21:56.760 don't want to speak for him. I think he's trying 1861 01:21:56.800 --> 01:21:58.720 to imply that what he's trying to ask the question, 1862 01:21:58.760 --> 01:22:01.159 what's the difference between looking for an organization that allows 1863 01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:04.159 people who deny Christ and in joining a fraternity that 1864 01:22:04.359 --> 01:22:06.880 that's ambiguous in its definition of the Supreme Being? Because 1865 01:22:06.920 --> 01:22:10.000 the ambiguity actually turned into specificity, which was the point. 1866 01:22:10.119 --> 01:22:13.239 And your own Catholic Church dogmatizes and mandates that you 1867 01:22:13.239 --> 01:22:14.960 can't be a freemason in the canon law. So you 1868 01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:18.399 would be against Roman Catholic canon law being a Mason, 1869 01:22:18.520 --> 01:22:20.159 but you would not be against romccallay cannon law, but 1870 01:22:20.279 --> 01:22:23.399 being in a corporation. And the differences precisely because Masonry, 1871 01:22:23.399 --> 01:22:25.800 as we're seeing tonight, is not just a philosopher or 1872 01:22:25.840 --> 01:22:29.479 secular society. It actually has an explicated theological requirement, and 1873 01:22:29.520 --> 01:22:31.520 that was what I was trying to demonstrate. That's a 1874 01:22:31.560 --> 01:22:34.239 false equivalence. It's a good point. I didn't make the equivalents. 1875 01:22:34.640 --> 01:22:37.359 Let's go to the next one. Sorry, good question, good question. Uh, 1876 01:22:38.000 --> 01:22:40.880 we got time for a few more, so go for it. Hey, 1877 01:22:41.439 --> 01:22:43.720 it's for a Jay christ has risen first of all, 1878 01:22:43.880 --> 01:22:46.399 And quickly, do you have any plans for a Freemason 1879 01:22:46.439 --> 01:22:49.640 cringe core track? And what are some good books that 1880 01:22:49.680 --> 01:22:52.359 I can read on the Jewish accomplistic connection with freemasoner. 1881 01:22:53.399 --> 01:22:55.600 I might get my throat slid if I make a song. Yeah, 1882 01:22:55.720 --> 01:22:57.199 you gotta get that's a Joe Hull. You plug your 1883 01:22:57.199 --> 01:23:00.279 own books, Jay, that's just a Joe. There's a book 1884 01:23:00.279 --> 01:23:02.399 that's somebody spent aymen years ago by William Green called 1885 01:23:02.439 --> 01:23:04.520 The Blazing Star and the Jewish Cabala, and it's about 1886 01:23:04.640 --> 01:23:08.560 the influence of Cabala on Freemasonry. William bring. 1887 01:23:12.720 --> 01:23:16.479 A question for the two Freemasons. Saint Paul wrote about 1888 01:23:16.520 --> 01:23:20.560 not being unequally yoked with unbelievers. Yeah, and I know 1889 01:23:20.640 --> 01:23:22.319 you guys kind of touched on the oath taking and 1890 01:23:22.399 --> 01:23:24.119 how we do take an oath in a court room 1891 01:23:24.159 --> 01:23:24.760 and that sort of thing. 1892 01:23:24.840 --> 01:23:26.840 But you call your lodge members brothers. 1893 01:23:27.000 --> 01:23:27.319 Yeah, and. 1894 01:23:28.840 --> 01:23:30.920 I wonder about God. 1895 01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:33.119 Specifically calls us in the Christian faith to be set 1896 01:23:33.159 --> 01:23:36.840 apart from the world. Why would you frat fat fraternize 1897 01:23:37.239 --> 01:23:40.960 with people who believe in a version of the deity 1898 01:23:41.079 --> 01:23:43.680 that is Antichrist exactly exactly? 1899 01:23:43.760 --> 01:23:46.000 Well said, yeah, that's a good question. I would say that, 1900 01:23:46.000 --> 01:23:48.600 and Ryan out other t your thoughts too. I think 1901 01:23:48.680 --> 01:23:52.319 that distinguishing between who's a legitimate brother in Christ is 1902 01:23:52.800 --> 01:23:57.399 different than qualifying the people's fraternity brothers. So there are 1903 01:23:57.439 --> 01:23:59.520 some brothers in the fraternity, for example, who would not 1904 01:23:59.560 --> 01:24:02.479 consider brothers in Christ because we don't share the same 1905 01:24:02.560 --> 01:24:04.399 theological I wouldn't take a meniing with these people. But 1906 01:24:04.720 --> 01:24:06.399 what we're doing in the in the Masonic lodge is 1907 01:24:06.439 --> 01:24:08.680 not It's not like a religious sacrament or or that 1908 01:24:08.880 --> 01:24:10.560 type of that type of communion. 1909 01:24:12.239 --> 01:24:14.600 What would you say, Ryan, Yeah, that's essentially that. I mean, 1910 01:24:14.720 --> 01:24:17.840 I would just add to it that, you know, the 1911 01:24:17.960 --> 01:24:22.800 idea that what your original point about being unequally yoked. 1912 01:24:25.359 --> 01:24:27.600 There is no you know, I've never had a Masonic 1913 01:24:27.640 --> 01:24:30.359 brother try to talk me out of my Christianity to 1914 01:24:30.520 --> 01:24:33.840 proselytize another faith. There's nothing that's made me doubt my faith. 1915 01:24:35.000 --> 01:24:38.000 It's a personal journey, an individual journey that exposes you 1916 01:24:38.039 --> 01:24:39.880 to different ideas, but you're left up, you know, as 1917 01:24:39.920 --> 01:24:44.840 a man, to still make your own determinations. And I've 1918 01:24:44.840 --> 01:24:47.680 actually seen the opposite. I've seen men that joined the 1919 01:24:47.720 --> 01:24:50.640 fraternity that didn't start out as Christians. Maybe they had 1920 01:24:50.680 --> 01:24:53.560 a more deistic view, maybe they were just kind of 1921 01:24:53.680 --> 01:24:56.920 you know, I'm an example of that. And through their 1922 01:24:57.000 --> 01:25:01.039 involvement in the fraternity, which stresses doesn't tell you which, 1923 01:25:01.399 --> 01:25:04.199 but it stresses the need for you to seek out God, 1924 01:25:04.760 --> 01:25:08.880 these men have become strong Christians through freemasonry. 1925 01:25:08.920 --> 01:25:11.520 And I've not seen the opposite. I've not seen a strong, 1926 01:25:12.000 --> 01:25:14.439 strong Christians who don't even know when the Bible was 1927 01:25:14.479 --> 01:25:18.039 put together, what Constantine did, I don't know anything about anything, 1928 01:25:18.119 --> 01:25:19.000 but they're strong Christians. 1929 01:25:19.079 --> 01:25:22.479 Now, well, Christian man join and then somehow be turned 1930 01:25:22.520 --> 01:25:24.600 into a Hindu or et cetera. 1931 01:25:25.039 --> 01:25:27.199 I would say that that's a great text because in 1932 01:25:27.279 --> 01:25:29.479 the context of Corinthians or Paul's talking about that, he's 1933 01:25:29.520 --> 01:25:34.920 talking about religiously, physically, theologically, you know, all types of 1934 01:25:35.039 --> 01:25:36.920 unions that you could have with somebody says we can't 1935 01:25:36.920 --> 01:25:38.680 share the table of demons and the table of God. 1936 01:25:38.760 --> 01:25:41.520 We can't be unequally of for examply advices against marrying 1937 01:25:41.520 --> 01:25:45.199 and unbelieving life. So there are spiritual realities, according to Paul. 1938 01:25:45.039 --> 01:25:47.319 That lead So again people in the chat, like you 1939 01:25:47.359 --> 01:25:48.199 guys are not getting it. 1940 01:25:49.039 --> 01:25:52.640 It doesn't matter that Freemasonry says it's not religious. The 1941 01:25:52.800 --> 01:25:55.239 argument is know it in fact is religious. And we 1942 01:25:55.359 --> 01:25:58.920 demonstrated that for the first hour that they have religious commitments, 1943 01:25:59.079 --> 01:26:02.159 even in saying that you believe in generic theism and 1944 01:26:02.239 --> 01:26:05.439 a quote supreme being, that is a religious commitment that 1945 01:26:05.760 --> 01:26:09.760 entails a bunch of other commitments. That's what I demonstrated 1946 01:26:09.800 --> 01:26:11.960 to them when I said, can I be a Satanist? 1947 01:26:12.039 --> 01:26:13.920 Can I be a Gnostic? Can I believe that I'm God? 1948 01:26:14.399 --> 01:26:14.439 No? 1949 01:26:14.640 --> 01:26:15.279 No, no, no no. 1950 01:26:15.479 --> 01:26:16.159 So there's all these. 1951 01:26:16.079 --> 01:26:19.600 Criteria that exclude you from membership. And it doesn't matter 1952 01:26:19.640 --> 01:26:21.399 if they say, but it's just because we don't like you, 1953 01:26:21.560 --> 01:26:23.760 that's the exclusion. Well, the exclusion that you don't like 1954 01:26:23.840 --> 01:26:26.039 me is still based on some standard of the good. 1955 01:26:26.039 --> 01:26:28.239 Or the bad. So they have an ethic. 1956 01:26:30.199 --> 01:26:32.479 Yoke us and link us through these types of oaths 1957 01:26:32.520 --> 01:26:35.399 and organizations even though they claim that it's purely secular, 1958 01:26:35.680 --> 01:26:37.920 as we've seen, I think tonight the claims are not 1959 01:26:38.039 --> 01:26:40.479 actually when they're fleshed out purely secular, they're actually have 1960 01:26:40.600 --> 01:26:42.159 lethological So actually think this is a really good point. 1961 01:26:42.159 --> 01:26:46.680 Bring up the obligations again. You're specifically told that they 1962 01:26:46.720 --> 01:26:52.960 are not incompatible or above the obligations, the duties that 1963 01:26:53.039 --> 01:26:54.600 you have to God, your family, your country. 1964 01:26:54.840 --> 01:26:58.800 Okay, are you brotherhood yoked with Hindus? Say again, I'm sorry, 1965 01:26:58.920 --> 01:27:03.680 are you a brotherhood yoked with Hindus? Hmm, I'm in 1966 01:27:03.760 --> 01:27:05.560 the context of a lot Ooh, I think this was 1967 01:27:05.600 --> 01:27:07.640 a I forgot this part ODJ. I think probably the 1968 01:27:07.680 --> 01:27:12.760 answers yes, but yeah, all right, I only each point, right, 1969 01:27:13.079 --> 01:27:15.039 and just for the time's sake, Okay, sure you be 1970 01:27:15.159 --> 01:27:17.239 one file point one final point. What I'm brotherhood yoked 1971 01:27:17.239 --> 01:27:19.319 with my biological brother too, regardless of what he believes. 1972 01:27:19.399 --> 01:27:19.479 Right. 1973 01:27:19.640 --> 01:27:19.800 Yeah. 1974 01:27:19.840 --> 01:27:22.760 The implication there is that you're somehow because of that, uh, 1975 01:27:23.319 --> 01:27:26.039 being yoked as in a marriage perhaps where you know 1976 01:27:26.119 --> 01:27:27.800 you have someone of a different faith that you're married to, 1977 01:27:28.239 --> 01:27:31.600 that there's there's some obligation or pressure there to adopt 1978 01:27:31.680 --> 01:27:33.279 their faith and there's not. 1979 01:27:33.439 --> 01:27:35.239 Paul doesn't say that. He just simply says to be 1980 01:27:35.319 --> 01:27:36.880 unequally oaked. I mean, could I be in the myth 1981 01:27:36.920 --> 01:27:38.520 recult at the same time as being a Christian? 1982 01:27:39.479 --> 01:27:39.520 No? 1983 01:27:39.720 --> 01:27:42.399 Thanks y, next question, Thank you everyone for being here. 1984 01:27:42.399 --> 01:27:44.119 Appreciated debate. This question is for Riyan. 1985 01:27:44.760 --> 01:27:46.960 You talked about how monotheistic Satanist would not pass a 1986 01:27:47.000 --> 01:27:49.920 moral character test of Freemasons, so that kind of talks 1987 01:27:49.960 --> 01:27:52.800 to objective morality. So I was wondering, how are Muslims 1988 01:27:52.840 --> 01:27:55.720 able to become Freemasons when they believe in child brides, females, circumcision, 1989 01:27:55.760 --> 01:27:57.560 other demonic wouldn't get in my lodge, I would. 1990 01:27:57.319 --> 01:28:00.640 Say, oh, and then they say I don't want it. 1991 01:28:01.039 --> 01:28:01.880 That's not the question. 1992 01:28:02.199 --> 01:28:04.520 They would not be allowed. But there were not asking you, 1993 01:28:04.560 --> 01:28:08.000 whereas in the lodge. Sure, yeah, well there's okay. 1994 01:28:08.399 --> 01:28:12.399 You brought up a funny example about the safety and 1995 01:28:12.479 --> 01:28:14.439 my pronouncing that right and one of your videos to 1996 01:28:14.760 --> 01:28:18.119 the practice of widow burning and Hinduism, and you imply 1997 01:28:18.279 --> 01:28:19.840 that you know, because we may allow a Hindu that 1998 01:28:19.880 --> 01:28:22.079 that we would have to accept this practice of widow burning. 1999 01:28:22.399 --> 01:28:24.159 I think no, the argument is what he said, it's 2000 01:28:24.720 --> 01:28:28.840 what's the argument it's arbitrary? Did you not make that 2001 01:28:29.039 --> 01:28:31.159 claim or I mistudying? More of the argument is not 2002 01:28:31.239 --> 01:28:33.960 that you support widow burning, it's that the ethics or arbitrary. 2003 01:28:35.319 --> 01:28:36.760 I mean, this is solo tier. 2004 01:28:36.840 --> 01:28:39.560 It's like, obviously if I said, Hindus who believe in 2005 01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:41.800 widow burning, how are you going to have a common 2006 01:28:41.840 --> 01:28:43.000 ethic with people that believe that. 2007 01:28:43.239 --> 01:28:45.680 That's the point. So you're saying that I have to 2008 01:28:45.880 --> 01:28:49.680 accept widow burning. No, this guy is just like, cannot 2009 01:28:49.720 --> 01:28:50.000 get that. 2010 01:28:52.159 --> 01:28:55.279 No, no, no, There the entire system, the degrees are 2011 01:28:55.359 --> 01:28:57.880 teaching very specific ethics, philosophy. 2012 01:28:58.279 --> 01:29:00.159 This is where I get him right here, and all 2013 01:29:00.199 --> 01:29:02.960 that that was from. We don't know where cardinal virtues. Okay, 2014 01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:05.079 so that's who That was one small example, but I 2015 01:29:05.119 --> 01:29:06.720 mean where you never said where. 2016 01:29:09.319 --> 01:29:11.279 I'm gonna slow this down because it's the best part right. 2017 01:29:11.199 --> 01:29:12.319 Here they're from. 2018 01:29:12.399 --> 01:29:13.039 You said, I don't know. 2019 01:29:13.680 --> 01:29:15.840 No, I said, we pulled from a lot of different religions, 2020 01:29:15.920 --> 01:29:21.079 and you pull from religions for your ethics. Oh we remember, 2021 01:29:21.199 --> 01:29:24.359 this wasn't a the theological society. Those from religion. 2022 01:29:26.640 --> 01:29:30.560 It's not a religious it's not a theological society. Where 2023 01:29:30.600 --> 01:29:32.920 do you get your ethics. We pull from religions. 2024 01:29:33.640 --> 01:29:35.119 Hear that the arbitrary. 2025 01:29:38.920 --> 01:29:43.159 No, no, no, the entire system the degrees are teaching 2026 01:29:43.640 --> 01:29:46.439 very specific ethics philosophies from. 2027 01:29:46.640 --> 01:29:48.199 And we saw that that was from. We don't know 2028 01:29:48.239 --> 01:29:53.159 where cardinal virtues. Okay, says who that was one small example, 2029 01:29:53.199 --> 01:29:55.680 but I mean where. You never said where they're from. 2030 01:29:55.760 --> 01:29:56.359 You said, I don't know. 2031 01:29:57.039 --> 01:29:59.159 No, I said, we pulled from a lot of different religions, 2032 01:29:59.239 --> 01:30:02.920 and we you pull from religions for your ethics. Oh 2033 01:30:03.439 --> 01:30:06.640 we remember this wasn't a theological society. 2034 01:30:07.199 --> 01:30:12.159 Oh that's where it was really over it there, I 2035 01:30:12.199 --> 01:30:13.159 think from religion. 2036 01:30:13.680 --> 01:30:17.720 Didn't you agree that religions contain philosophies? That weren't theos 2037 01:30:17.800 --> 01:30:20.359 going about what you just said? Yeah, so you do 2038 01:30:20.439 --> 01:30:24.800 you pull from religions. We pour your ethics philosophies that 2039 01:30:24.880 --> 01:30:26.479 are You just said relative religions. 2040 01:30:26.560 --> 01:30:29.760 You messed up and said religions. We pulled from religions. 2041 01:30:29.880 --> 01:30:32.840 We pulled philosophies at England with it. Do you pull 2042 01:30:32.840 --> 01:30:34.680 your ethics from religions? That's what he said, and not 2043 01:30:34.920 --> 01:30:35.560 just religions. 2044 01:30:35.600 --> 01:30:35.960 Some of it. 2045 01:30:36.119 --> 01:30:38.159 There is some stoke. You tripped up. 2046 01:30:38.199 --> 01:30:40.239 This is like a kid getting caught stealing in the 2047 01:30:40.279 --> 01:30:41.000 cookie jar. 2048 01:30:40.960 --> 01:30:42.880 And he's like, what I didn't I was. 2049 01:30:42.960 --> 01:30:45.640 Going to get the cookies and also feed the dog 2050 01:30:45.800 --> 01:30:48.640 with the cookies. And it's not just cookies for me. 2051 01:30:48.920 --> 01:30:52.199 I'm stealing the cookies for other robinhood. I'm stealing the 2052 01:30:52.199 --> 01:30:53.560 cookies for all the kids in the neighborhood. 2053 01:30:53.600 --> 01:30:56.640 It's like, yeah, okay, we got you, dude, we got you. 2054 01:30:57.039 --> 01:31:00.159 And undid all of your first hour of argument is 2055 01:31:00.199 --> 01:31:01.800 pressed on where. 2056 01:31:01.680 --> 01:31:04.079 You get ethics and morals from and that those are 2057 01:31:04.119 --> 01:31:06.359 inherently religious values that you would have. 2058 01:31:06.479 --> 01:31:09.119 To be pulling from a religion. And then for him 2059 01:31:09.119 --> 01:31:11.319 to even admit that, you. 2060 01:31:11.359 --> 01:31:15.479 Know, freemasonry or either at the cold boundaries do we 2061 01:31:15.760 --> 01:31:18.279 we believe in certain ethics and morals And there are 2062 01:31:18.399 --> 01:31:21.199 boundaries and you could be you know, if you were Satanists, 2063 01:31:21.520 --> 01:31:23.199 you couldn't be it. If you're a bad guy, you 2064 01:31:23.279 --> 01:31:28.640 can't join. It also contradicts. There's so many ways that 2065 01:31:28.800 --> 01:31:31.079 you got him on that same point from so many 2066 01:31:31.159 --> 01:31:35.279 different angles that it's, uh, it's it's crazy that he 2067 01:31:35.399 --> 01:31:37.720 still thinks that he's able to kind of square the 2068 01:31:37.760 --> 01:31:41.520 circle there, Oh, swear. 2069 01:31:41.359 --> 01:31:43.359 In the circle there? You just went full Mason on 2070 01:31:43.439 --> 01:31:44.359 them right there, dude. 2071 01:31:44.640 --> 01:31:47.920 No, yeah, yeah you did. You just said you pull 2072 01:31:47.960 --> 01:31:50.079 from religions and does everything in the first hour. I've 2073 01:31:50.119 --> 01:31:52.319 said that you your whole first hour with us. 2074 01:31:52.680 --> 01:31:55.279 There you go, and I don't I hammer him Martal, Right, there. 2075 01:31:56.680 --> 01:31:57.520 Go the next person place. 2076 01:31:58.680 --> 01:32:01.560 I think you kind of us with a previous question. 2077 01:32:01.680 --> 01:32:05.159 But you know, Jesus say is no one comes as 2078 01:32:05.159 --> 01:32:08.920 a father. But through me, do you all make as Christians? 2079 01:32:09.039 --> 01:32:14.079 In being Mason's do you make an effort to proselytize. 2080 01:32:14.920 --> 01:32:19.600 Muslims or anyway? The last part is the if you 2081 01:32:19.640 --> 01:32:21.479 guys want to watch it, you can go watch it. 2082 01:32:21.560 --> 01:32:22.279 But that's enough of this. 2083 01:32:23.159 --> 01:32:26.239 They didn't get me on the part about the there's 2084 01:32:26.279 --> 01:32:28.640 just another false equivalence to say that for citing the 2085 01:32:29.159 --> 01:32:31.159 Pledge of Allegiance is the same thing as Mason. You know, 2086 01:32:31.199 --> 01:32:33.359 it's a false equivalent saying the pledge allegiance is not 2087 01:32:33.479 --> 01:32:37.680 initiation into a blood over brotherhood based on around the Zohar. 2088 01:32:37.880 --> 01:32:42.039 So no uh, anybody else. So overall thoughts, you guys 2089 01:32:42.039 --> 01:32:43.039 feel free to talk about. 2090 01:32:42.840 --> 01:32:46.279 Whatever you want to. We'll read some super chats if 2091 01:32:46.319 --> 01:32:48.359 you want to watch the rest of it. If you 2092 01:32:48.399 --> 01:32:51.760 think I'm lying, you can go watch it here. What 2093 01:32:51.840 --> 01:32:53.840 did you guys think? Who won the debate? 2094 01:32:53.960 --> 01:32:54.079 Here? 2095 01:32:54.119 --> 01:32:57.439 I'm gonna put a little stud poll here and and 2096 01:32:57.760 --> 01:33:00.640 you know, be honest if you think that and do that, well, 2097 01:33:00.720 --> 01:33:01.239 feel free. 2098 01:33:02.239 --> 01:33:04.239 Yes, but Jobulon is an option. 2099 01:33:06.399 --> 01:33:07.479 Jabulon won the debate. 2100 01:33:09.520 --> 01:33:10.680 Yeah, I think jabul. 2101 01:33:16.880 --> 01:33:17.800 Anybody else. 2102 01:33:26.920 --> 01:33:29.079 There was really one sided. I don't think uh. 2103 01:33:30.039 --> 01:33:32.119 I was expecting them to seem a little bit more 2104 01:33:32.159 --> 01:33:35.479 heated too, like you said it, maybe it was more Well, 2105 01:33:35.520 --> 01:33:38.840 this is edited the physiclean you can see their physical 2106 01:33:38.920 --> 01:33:41.279 reactions to what's going on in the level. 2107 01:33:41.039 --> 01:33:41.560 Of the voice. 2108 01:33:41.680 --> 01:33:45.239 Well, they they balanced the audio levels and also uh, 2109 01:33:45.479 --> 01:33:48.399 several I mean it was clipped. I'm not saying they 2110 01:33:48.439 --> 01:33:51.600 didn't cut cut out any argumentation, but they might have 2111 01:33:51.680 --> 01:33:54.880 cut out some of the angry parts. But it was intense. 2112 01:33:54.920 --> 01:34:00.880 You can ask the people who were there. Uh, let's see, 2113 01:34:00.920 --> 01:34:03.840 I'm re used a couple of super shots two cop 2114 01:34:04.000 --> 01:34:08.319 True Tuca Trupa twenty dollars. Great to see Tristan back 2115 01:34:08.359 --> 01:34:08.760 on the stream. 2116 01:34:08.800 --> 01:34:08.960 Guys. 2117 01:34:09.000 --> 01:34:12.640 I will split the super chest with Tristan tonight, so 2118 01:34:12.720 --> 01:34:13.840 you guys are also supporting him. 2119 01:34:13.880 --> 01:34:16.920 Dank Bud five dollars. This was a dank stream. Snake 2120 01:34:17.000 --> 01:34:21.520 Foot two dollars. Our last stream exactly bad. 2121 01:34:21.760 --> 01:34:25.159 Yep, it was a straight up pimp as hell, dude, 2122 01:34:25.359 --> 01:34:29.720 The stream was pimp as hell, so sick, d it 2123 01:34:29.880 --> 01:34:33.600 was so sick. Snake Foot says, get a PhD and 2124 01:34:33.680 --> 01:34:35.880 then start a bipoc church and then Gavin will debate 2125 01:34:35.920 --> 01:34:37.359 you exactly be cursed. 2126 01:34:37.399 --> 01:34:40.319 Five dollars. Will you be part of the new network 2127 01:34:40.399 --> 01:34:40.920 with Alex? 2128 01:34:41.159 --> 01:34:41.279 Uh? 2129 01:34:41.479 --> 01:34:42.199 Yeah, I think so. 2130 01:34:43.159 --> 01:34:45.760 I mean I will at least continue what I've been doing. 2131 01:34:45.800 --> 01:34:47.800 I don't know whether I'll have my own show or whatever, 2132 01:34:47.880 --> 01:34:52.239 but we'll see. Nick says, I love the clip where 2133 01:34:52.279 --> 01:34:54.439 Alex is interviewing the gall on the street about WHEMI Grove. 2134 01:34:54.439 --> 01:34:55.119 That's Dave Gergan. 2135 01:34:56.279 --> 01:34:56.399 Uh. 2136 01:34:56.800 --> 01:34:59.119 You know we played that before. Dad to the world. 2137 01:34:59.199 --> 01:35:01.039 What's up? Craftsman? 2138 01:35:03.159 --> 01:35:05.600 Alex Jones getting a rear show by Craig Jones was awesome. 2139 01:35:06.560 --> 01:35:08.680 Tango twenty dollars. It's gonna be a good night, boys 2140 01:35:08.720 --> 01:35:09.079 and girls. 2141 01:35:09.279 --> 01:35:11.479 Cheer up. Cheers to Jay and the Chat and Tristan. 2142 01:35:11.600 --> 01:35:14.800 Thank you. Frontier says Alex Jones is Bill Hicks. That's 2143 01:35:15.079 --> 01:35:15.520 not true. 2144 01:35:17.880 --> 01:35:21.840 Alex looks like him. That doesn't you know, there's a 2145 01:35:21.840 --> 01:35:23.439 lot of people look like people. That doesn't mean the 2146 01:35:23.520 --> 01:35:23.800 art of them. 2147 01:35:24.359 --> 01:35:26.119 You don't look like them at all anymore. I mean 2148 01:35:26.199 --> 01:35:29.399 maybe twenty years ago and that kind of rumors started, 2149 01:35:30.079 --> 01:35:32.520 there was a little bit of physical resemblance. 2150 01:35:32.600 --> 01:35:34.560 But also if he was Bill Hicks, he would be 2151 01:35:34.640 --> 01:35:35.960 like seventy something years old. 2152 01:35:36.079 --> 01:35:37.000 I know, it's so retarded. 2153 01:35:37.039 --> 01:35:39.239 I used to watch Bill Hicks in the early nineties 2154 01:35:39.560 --> 01:35:42.119 on stand up and Alex was like, Alex would have 2155 01:35:42.199 --> 01:35:45.479 been like a teenager. So no, Alex Jones was not 2156 01:35:45.640 --> 01:35:47.880 Bill Hicks doing stand up in the nineteen nineties. That 2157 01:35:48.000 --> 01:35:52.239 like noted the improv with Caroline Ray and all the 2158 01:35:52.279 --> 01:35:53.319 stand ups of the nineties. 2159 01:35:54.359 --> 01:35:58.359 Bill Hicks just he blasted himself so hard with mushrooms 2160 01:35:59.399 --> 01:36:01.039 at the end of his career when he was like dying, 2161 01:36:01.079 --> 01:36:03.000 remember he was, he was getting really into the psychodey 2162 01:36:03.119 --> 01:36:06.239 was he was a psychology MK ultra and he went 2163 01:36:06.399 --> 01:36:09.479 and he he emerged from his MK ultra you know, 2164 01:36:09.680 --> 01:36:10.720 kompa chamber. 2165 01:36:12.119 --> 01:36:14.880 He just as Alex Jones. 2166 01:36:14.920 --> 01:36:18.119 I don't understand the like people lived legit believe that 2167 01:36:18.239 --> 01:36:22.199 people actually think that that is a Dogmas. 2168 01:36:22.079 --> 01:36:26.600 Pepper prophet says Jay Tristan. How does it feel to 2169 01:36:26.680 --> 01:36:28.920 be podcast mogged by Jay Diaper? 2170 01:36:32.039 --> 01:36:35.439 I think I actually the first one is say Jay Dipper. 2171 01:36:36.199 --> 01:36:38.159 We were saying that, like making fun of the people 2172 01:36:38.199 --> 01:36:40.079 that have make fun of your names. There was Jay Dipper, 2173 01:36:40.159 --> 01:36:43.079 there was j Dryer. I don't. 2174 01:36:43.119 --> 01:36:45.079 I think I might have been because I just thought 2175 01:36:45.159 --> 01:36:47.319 Jane Ryer said like, that's not even an insult. 2176 01:36:47.600 --> 01:36:51.039 But then Sam Shamoon still causing a dryer. 2177 01:36:51.960 --> 01:36:54.199 No, now I'm gay Crier, so he's up to his 2178 01:36:54.359 --> 01:36:56.560 game there, just like, yeah. 2179 01:36:56.359 --> 01:36:59.279 We're at fourth grade level now, But I did. I 2180 01:36:59.359 --> 01:37:01.600 do think jasper Is is funny one. 2181 01:37:01.640 --> 01:37:03.720 It is like a four Well in grade school, I 2182 01:37:03.840 --> 01:37:06.600 was Jay Diarrhea, so wasn't. 2183 01:37:06.560 --> 01:37:09.880 I thought that was oh ingement said Jay Diarrhea. 2184 01:37:10.000 --> 01:37:12.560 Know what I'm saying that it didn't begin with Benjamin. 2185 01:37:12.640 --> 01:37:14.800 It began in grade school. 2186 01:37:16.039 --> 01:37:18.800 Grade sorry, that was actual grade school? 2187 01:37:18.840 --> 01:37:23.079 Okay, Well yeah, I would say I was trying to 2188 01:37:23.079 --> 01:37:24.159 separate Internet for. 2189 01:37:24.239 --> 01:37:25.840 Reality, but I mixed it in there when I brought 2190 01:37:25.920 --> 01:37:27.960 up to what was that? What's your favorite? Do you 2191 01:37:28.000 --> 01:37:29.560 have a favorite like anshul name? 2192 01:37:30.039 --> 01:37:32.159 I mean, Jay Diarrhea is just classic because it goes 2193 01:37:32.199 --> 01:37:36.880 back to grade school. So and speaking speaking of speaking, 2194 01:37:37.439 --> 01:37:38.159 do you like how oh? 2195 01:37:38.239 --> 01:37:39.640 And also I had to make like a saw. 2196 01:37:39.760 --> 01:37:41.600 He had to turn it into like a sodomy, things 2197 01:37:41.640 --> 01:37:42.640 like you can't spell. 2198 01:37:42.399 --> 01:37:46.000 Analysis with when when does he not turn it into 2199 01:37:46.199 --> 01:37:48.920 pepe poopoo? And that's all I got to Yeah, you 2200 01:37:49.319 --> 01:37:51.159 can't good sodomy all in his mind. 2201 01:37:51.880 --> 01:37:55.359 He had to go there. That was That was funny. 2202 01:37:56.560 --> 01:37:59.159 This might be the highest percentile debate. Yeah, so far, 2203 01:37:59.359 --> 01:38:01.000 And of course it is my audience. 2204 01:38:01.119 --> 01:38:05.439 But right now pulling ninety four percent, there must be 2205 01:38:05.880 --> 01:38:09.640 six percent freemasons but locksteps of for ten dollars, I 2206 01:38:09.760 --> 01:38:11.439 literally poot my pants today at the park. Speaking of 2207 01:38:11.479 --> 01:38:13.520 poopy stuff, he says, I was playing disc golf. We 2208 01:38:13.600 --> 01:38:16.479 had to stop. Thank you for the strain. I hope 2209 01:38:16.520 --> 01:38:19.279 your guts are okay. Intrinsic five dollars day. Do you 2210 01:38:19.359 --> 01:38:22.399 know anything about You don't know anything. Tiger sauce is 2211 01:38:22.880 --> 01:38:26.600 I don't know what that is and it works. So 2212 01:38:26.760 --> 01:38:30.159 he's a fan of Charlie Sheen's Tiger Blood. Apparently it works. 2213 01:38:30.640 --> 01:38:32.840 Adward twelve dollars is an old clip of Alex talking 2214 01:38:32.920 --> 01:38:35.399 about things I can't mention on YouTube. 2215 01:38:35.439 --> 01:38:37.840 He spurgs out. I don't believe Alex is faked, so 2216 01:38:37.920 --> 01:38:40.960 I disagree recking five dollars. Do you see Rouslin sermon? 2217 01:38:41.680 --> 01:38:45.399 He cited Saint John Christistom as if Saint John christistm 2218 01:38:45.439 --> 01:38:49.680 supports the teachings of the Rhythm Church. Well, I hope 2219 01:38:49.720 --> 01:38:53.199 people are seeing through the fraud here of the nonsense, 2220 01:38:53.279 --> 01:38:59.479 because Rousseline shared Redeem Zuomer's comment that the Protestant Reformers 2221 01:38:59.800 --> 01:39:02.359 and the Church Fathers have identical beliefs on everything. 2222 01:39:02.439 --> 01:39:05.239 That's what they said, So not a masaud agent. Ten dollars. 2223 01:39:05.640 --> 01:39:07.840 I'm at a at my friend's old Protestant church. 2224 01:39:08.560 --> 01:39:11.479 They said west Huff was the best apologist because he'd 2225 01:39:11.479 --> 01:39:12.479 beat Billy Corson. 2226 01:39:13.239 --> 01:39:16.159 I said that west Huff is gay because he won't 2227 01:39:16.159 --> 01:39:18.720 debate anybody. How can you be the best apologist when 2228 01:39:18.760 --> 01:39:21.239 you won't debate anybody, Well, you just debate the one 2229 01:39:21.359 --> 01:39:24.079 lowest hanging fruit, and then you declare yourself the victor. 2230 01:39:24.600 --> 01:39:26.560 Rosie'll find out nobody even. 2231 01:39:26.439 --> 01:39:29.279 Knew Billy Corson was like, I had never even heard 2232 01:39:29.279 --> 01:39:30.039 of Billy Corson. 2233 01:39:30.800 --> 01:39:33.119 No, he was actually he was on a he was 2234 01:39:33.199 --> 01:39:36.600 on a podcast tour right before he was on Rogan 2235 01:39:36.920 --> 01:39:40.600 PbD right before west Huff debated him and pretty much 2236 01:39:40.680 --> 01:39:41.119 ended all. 2237 01:39:41.039 --> 01:39:44.720 That bumblebee five dollars. 2238 01:39:44.760 --> 01:39:46.520 Do you think Rouselo would agree to rap battle or 2239 01:39:46.560 --> 01:39:49.359 would it have to be him battling your catechumen? Yeah, 2240 01:39:49.359 --> 01:39:51.760 he's only going to battle a catechumen, right snake for 2241 01:39:51.960 --> 01:39:52.439 two dollars. 2242 01:39:52.600 --> 01:39:53.079 No, we did that. 2243 01:39:56.319 --> 01:39:57.279 Leave it to Ethan ten dollars. 2244 01:39:57.359 --> 01:39:57.479 Jay. 2245 01:39:57.520 --> 01:40:00.239 The karaoke interview was phenomenal. I really I hope he 2246 01:40:00.279 --> 01:40:02.239 comes back from more conversations. Yeah, I hope so too. 2247 01:40:02.279 --> 01:40:05.439 It was a great, great chat, probably my favorite, one 2248 01:40:05.439 --> 01:40:08.520 of my best interviews. Craftsmen ten dollars, we. 2249 01:40:08.600 --> 01:40:12.800 Did that, Tingu twenty dollars is going to be a 2250 01:40:12.840 --> 01:40:15.760 long night boys, Thank you Frontier. No, we did that, 2251 01:40:21.720 --> 01:40:25.880 Vanilla five dollars. Protestants used Luke twenty four to justify 2252 01:40:25.920 --> 01:40:26.800 the Protestant. 2253 01:40:26.439 --> 01:40:30.680 Canon because Jesus mentions laws, the prophets, and the psalms. 2254 01:40:32.399 --> 01:40:34.399 That doesn't tell us what the canon is. That's such 2255 01:40:34.439 --> 01:40:35.279 a low tier argument. 2256 01:40:35.359 --> 01:40:38.680 That's just assuming that him saying that, I mean, you 2257 01:40:38.720 --> 01:40:40.640 can make the same argument that in another verse where 2258 01:40:40.640 --> 01:40:43.359 he says, you know in the law that, oh well, 2259 01:40:43.439 --> 01:40:45.640 Jesus only says the law. So the canon is only 2260 01:40:45.720 --> 01:40:47.760 the law, right, I mean, it's facilly. 2261 01:40:47.840 --> 01:40:49.640 How do we know? How do we if we're. 2262 01:40:49.560 --> 01:40:54.720 Gonna base our canon on generalized statements of the Old Testament, 2263 01:40:54.760 --> 01:40:57.279 how do we know which statement is a canonical statement? 2264 01:40:57.680 --> 01:41:00.680 Maybe we're supposed to be Torah only Christians because Jesus 2265 01:41:00.720 --> 01:41:03.199 says in the Law. Well, the fact that he says 2266 01:41:03.199 --> 01:41:05.239 in another verse in the Law, the prophets and the Psalms, 2267 01:41:05.560 --> 01:41:07.720 there's nothing about that that tells us the specific list 2268 01:41:07.760 --> 01:41:08.199 of the canon. 2269 01:41:08.279 --> 01:41:09.000 This is just silly. 2270 01:41:11.960 --> 01:41:18.520 Tipper Jay, Where do I buy your prayer book? Yeah, 2271 01:41:18.560 --> 01:41:21.039 it's the blue one from Transfiguration Monaster. I don't know 2272 01:41:21.039 --> 01:41:26.479 if you can still get him or not. Joseph ten dollars? 2273 01:41:27.640 --> 01:41:33.920 Will you cover the archangel urials text and fourth Ezra? Uh? 2274 01:41:34.119 --> 01:41:38.319 Maybe I never thought about that. There's a response on 2275 01:41:38.359 --> 01:41:42.239 the Mystery of Suffering. It mirrors the response to job. Interesting. 2276 01:41:43.319 --> 01:41:45.720 It's been a long time since I read any of 2277 01:41:45.800 --> 01:41:50.159 the deuterocononical historical texts. I mean I was actually I 2278 01:41:50.239 --> 01:41:55.680 did reread Sirich recently, and I read reread Wisdom, but 2279 01:41:55.800 --> 01:41:59.800 I haven't read judahth or Toba or Maccabee's or as 2280 01:42:00.079 --> 01:42:01.039 us or any of those in a long time. 2281 01:42:01.079 --> 01:42:02.560 Soday, I should go back to those A million oh 2282 01:42:02.640 --> 01:42:06.079 five dollars. Thank you for your content. I'm writing a 2283 01:42:06.159 --> 01:42:10.439 paper on the Big Z for my pastor. You have 2284 01:42:10.520 --> 01:42:12.039 books on the history of the Big Z. 2285 01:42:12.399 --> 01:42:15.840 Well, the best one is roth Chill's biography by Morton, 2286 01:42:16.399 --> 01:42:19.560 and Moses has his book Jerusalem and Athens. 2287 01:42:21.520 --> 01:42:24.680 Nick, ten dollars. In the scope of you two, you 2288 01:42:24.800 --> 01:42:29.039 have two hundred k. Rouselm has eight hundred k. They're 2289 01:42:29.119 --> 01:42:31.880 not far apart. Uh, what do you mean? Not far apart? 2290 01:42:31.960 --> 01:42:35.640 We're blowing them away. What are you talking about? Simple things? 2291 01:42:35.680 --> 01:42:37.520 Pointing out that we're meant to be in nature of 2292 01:42:37.600 --> 01:42:39.600 me Nashville, and this is where we find the source 2293 01:42:39.680 --> 01:42:42.560 that God made you transcend the new world order. And 2294 01:42:42.600 --> 01:42:46.239 that's why the one trying to keep us agree. 2295 01:42:48.319 --> 01:42:53.720 I've had these people there, a bunch of Christian murderings, 2296 01:42:53.800 --> 01:42:57.640 coms death back just keeping baby is alive. 2297 01:43:01.079 --> 01:43:02.880 He needed all about these people. 2298 01:43:03.520 --> 01:43:08.119 I go round to taste these stones and literally crawl 2299 01:43:08.199 --> 01:43:09.840 out from a box and. 2300 01:43:10.960 --> 01:43:16.279 Skin and ruating we want babies. 2301 01:43:18.520 --> 01:43:24.920 I had them on the all. 2302 01:43:22.520 --> 01:43:28.039 Right, that's not bad, No, Nick, We're blowing away. 2303 01:43:29.359 --> 01:43:29.920 Is right happened? 2304 01:43:29.960 --> 01:43:30.479 Okay, here we go. 2305 01:43:31.920 --> 01:43:32.800 You resist the. 2306 01:43:32.920 --> 01:43:34.640 Creepy weird six set up. 2307 01:43:34.800 --> 01:43:41.920 Man, she sleeps in the same room with that creepy 2308 01:43:42.000 --> 01:43:44.520 weird a woman who's mother wizzard. 2309 01:43:44.199 --> 01:43:45.479 Hood over her head. 2310 01:43:47.119 --> 01:43:48.560 The woman noble. 2311 01:43:48.319 --> 01:43:49.560 Woe is ugly. 2312 01:43:51.039 --> 01:43:53.239 Imagine how bad she smells. 2313 01:43:53.359 --> 01:43:59.439 Man, I'm told her head Obama, just stick Obama and 2314 01:43:59.600 --> 01:44:01.640 you reports. 2315 01:44:01.039 --> 01:44:02.800 And a sofa. 2316 01:44:10.479 --> 01:44:12.920 In help fire About there. 2317 01:44:13.119 --> 01:44:18.880 The captains holding around the after rose, steering. 2318 01:44:18.479 --> 01:44:22.039 Against close to that evil head up heeling gold. 2319 01:44:23.880 --> 01:44:30.920 Are such self serer crap we don't even know it 2320 01:44:31.079 --> 01:44:36.439 head itself rising up against the billions of parting. 2321 01:44:36.119 --> 01:44:39.760 The people of the very worst stapp Man, I'm so 2322 01:44:40.239 --> 01:44:46.960 dis We're gonna stab your daughter at the moment. Oh 2323 01:44:47.720 --> 01:44:50.960 oh oh, I'm gonna. 2324 01:44:50.720 --> 01:44:52.039 Stab your wealth. 2325 01:44:52.199 --> 01:44:59.760 Yes, we're gonna stab you with the budget. 2326 01:45:00.640 --> 01:45:07.119 And then ladies Jesus going to say we know we 2327 01:45:07.399 --> 01:45:08.640 love our Muslims. 2328 01:45:09.039 --> 01:45:09.199 Oh. 2329 01:45:12.800 --> 01:45:15.800 Bond Ever thought they were going to really get at 2330 01:45:15.880 --> 01:45:18.560 Alex with that satire and it ended up being like 2331 01:45:18.640 --> 01:45:20.399 thirty million views on that song. 2332 01:45:21.119 --> 01:45:23.319 Bony Be didn't do that. That was like a honeion 2333 01:45:23.439 --> 01:45:26.079 type thing that they did. It was some game turn. 2334 01:45:27.560 --> 01:45:32.520 Type as yeah, yeah, it's not bonny Bear. 2335 01:45:33.680 --> 01:45:36.039 It's it's super well done and they innitated a style 2336 01:45:36.159 --> 01:45:36.760 like perfectly. 2337 01:45:37.159 --> 01:45:40.079 But it's not it's this whole All this time, I 2338 01:45:40.119 --> 01:45:41.760 thought it was let's see, because it sounds like that, 2339 01:45:41.960 --> 01:45:42.359 we'll see. 2340 01:45:42.960 --> 01:45:45.680 I'm thinking intern it was like somebody. It wasn't even 2341 01:45:46.920 --> 01:45:49.119 you know, didn't comedian or anything. I think it was 2342 01:45:50.640 --> 01:45:53.359 obviously a few people wrote that together and didn't write it, 2343 01:45:53.479 --> 01:45:57.920 but it found really good clips. I mean it also shows, 2344 01:45:57.960 --> 01:45:59.119 I mean, they really proved. 2345 01:45:58.840 --> 01:46:02.000 That Alex is just legitimately like one of the best 2346 01:46:02.680 --> 01:46:07.399 modern poets. Literal vampire pop elly goblins are hobbling. 2347 01:46:07.079 --> 01:46:11.640 Around coming after Its like you don't even have to 2348 01:46:11.720 --> 01:46:12.039 sing it. 2349 01:46:12.119 --> 01:46:15.880 It just sounds so literal vampire pop belly goblins are 2350 01:46:15.960 --> 01:46:20.640 hobbling around coming after Okay, So Sander crap, we. 2351 01:46:20.680 --> 01:46:23.680 Don't even notice hell itself rising up against us. 2352 01:46:24.199 --> 01:46:25.560 So Nick, you're right. 2353 01:46:25.600 --> 01:46:33.239 It's a guy named Nick lutz Lutskow, a comedian and singer. Okay, 2354 01:46:33.239 --> 01:46:42.920 I've never heard of this guy, Nick lutz Lutskow. He's 2355 01:46:42.960 --> 01:46:45.359 not even like capitalizing on it's like his biggest thing, 2356 01:46:45.439 --> 01:46:48.159 and he's not even like capitalizing on it. Let's see 2357 01:46:48.159 --> 01:46:51.359 maybe he's got it on his channel, Nick Lutzkow. 2358 01:46:54.000 --> 01:46:56.680 And the thing is, it's all Alex, right, I mean 2359 01:46:56.760 --> 01:46:59.279 Alex wrote all those lines, and every one of the 2360 01:46:59.359 --> 01:47:03.560 lines that's in it was so good. Yeah, he's he's 2361 01:47:04.279 --> 01:47:07.520 at that point with the time period where those uh, 2362 01:47:07.800 --> 01:47:10.399 where this cliff came from. He was such a good wordsmith. 2363 01:47:10.479 --> 01:47:11.640 He has he's lost his uh. 2364 01:47:12.159 --> 01:47:15.159 I think he's he used up all his words because 2365 01:47:15.199 --> 01:47:19.000 he's there was a time when he was just so funny. 2366 01:47:19.039 --> 01:47:23.279 Man, he was so funny. I still like Alex, but yeah, 2367 01:47:23.319 --> 01:47:25.279 it was there was there was a period where he 2368 01:47:25.439 --> 01:47:26.399 was just on fire. 2369 01:47:27.319 --> 01:47:28.760 Doctor Egman two dollars. 2370 01:47:28.840 --> 01:47:30.920 I can't comment on that because I haven't read enough 2371 01:47:30.960 --> 01:47:32.760 of other Stephen Young in the in the in the 2372 01:47:32.840 --> 01:47:37.119 text to say so, I don't know roziel I message 2373 01:47:37.159 --> 01:47:37.880 you on Discord. 2374 01:47:38.119 --> 01:47:38.880 I'll check it out. 2375 01:47:39.039 --> 01:47:43.079 Great Scott uh says, here's a little money for the 2376 01:47:43.119 --> 01:47:44.600 stain remover for that shirt. 2377 01:47:44.800 --> 01:47:48.920 Yeah, I'll spit the coffee out on my shirt earlier. 2378 01:47:51.640 --> 01:47:54.279 Great Scott says, you use some club soda, it'll get 2379 01:47:54.319 --> 01:47:59.000 the staining out. President Retard twenty dollars. Tristanna Diva Mogg's Jay, 2380 01:47:59.239 --> 01:47:59.520 Oh my. 2381 01:47:59.600 --> 01:48:02.079 Gosh, that's not true. I can't believe you said that 2382 01:48:03.159 --> 01:48:05.039 Tristan is the songbird of a generation. 2383 01:48:05.239 --> 01:48:09.479 Wow. Wow Is that a separate superhad or that was 2384 01:48:09.560 --> 01:48:10.880 just one superchand. 2385 01:48:10.439 --> 01:48:13.800 No, that was one guy. You have a one super 2386 01:48:13.840 --> 01:48:14.640 fan in the audience. 2387 01:48:14.920 --> 01:48:17.560 I can't refute that. I mean I would try. I can't. 2388 01:48:19.399 --> 01:48:21.720 Emilia and twenty dollars, Jay, what book you recommend on 2389 01:48:22.399 --> 01:48:25.479 Rome changing church Father texts and forgeries? Uh? 2390 01:48:25.680 --> 01:48:29.359 The two volume set that Uncut Mountain put out, Uh, 2391 01:48:29.800 --> 01:48:31.600 Latin Error's Blame one and Blame two. 2392 01:48:31.600 --> 01:48:35.239 I forget which volume has the the sections of the forgeries. 2393 01:48:35.279 --> 01:48:38.439 But uh, George whom we interviewed on the channel, you 2394 01:48:38.439 --> 01:48:40.399 can find an interview on that. He's pretty much the 2395 01:48:40.439 --> 01:48:42.119 guy who just kind of went all into that. 2396 01:48:44.199 --> 01:48:49.119 Would it help with the Philly Okuay That one will 2397 01:48:49.159 --> 01:48:49.560 deal with that. 2398 01:48:50.199 --> 01:48:52.560 But the Philly Oquay book had to read Sashchensky's book 2399 01:48:53.199 --> 01:48:54.159 on the Philly ok Way too. 2400 01:48:54.680 --> 01:48:55.800 Sergi has five dollars. 2401 01:48:56.800 --> 01:49:00.000 John Adams doesn't get enough props, good recommendations from him. 2402 01:49:00.079 --> 01:49:01.000 Yeah, he's a great Uh. 2403 01:49:01.319 --> 01:49:03.439 In fact, mat him on the on the trip out 2404 01:49:03.520 --> 01:49:06.319 to California and he gave me a big old stack 2405 01:49:06.359 --> 01:49:11.439 of books, so he's always given out books. I can 2406 01:49:11.560 --> 01:49:13.399 him as sisteen dollars. The Masons sound like they're a 2407 01:49:13.399 --> 01:49:15.159 blend of new agers who pretend to be fancier and 2408 01:49:15.239 --> 01:49:18.439 smarter than they are. Maybe I'm wrong, No, and the New. 2409 01:49:18.399 --> 01:49:19.720 Age actually comes out of Masonry. 2410 01:49:19.720 --> 01:49:22.680 In fact, Madame Levatski wrote an article back at the 2411 01:49:22.720 --> 01:49:25.520 turn of the last century for the Scottish Rite Journal, 2412 01:49:26.479 --> 01:49:29.840 which is a Masonic journal, saying that Masonry would be 2413 01:49:30.000 --> 01:49:33.199 kind of the era of the religion of the future, 2414 01:49:33.239 --> 01:49:33.760 so to speak. 2415 01:49:34.800 --> 01:49:39.399 And then also in the Sri publication. 2416 01:49:40.800 --> 01:49:44.399 Was it called what's the changing Changing Images of Man? 2417 01:49:45.319 --> 01:49:48.399 Changing Images of Man? Yeah, the last few chapters of that, 2418 01:49:48.439 --> 01:49:50.039 I think if he's the last few chapters. 2419 01:49:50.520 --> 01:49:54.439 Basically their model for the future man and how you 2420 01:49:54.720 --> 01:49:56.840 structure society is Freemasonry. 2421 01:49:58.199 --> 01:49:58.399 MATD. 2422 01:49:58.479 --> 01:50:02.079 Burns says rouslan Ak, the failed rapper Jay Rock is 2423 01:50:02.159 --> 01:50:05.479 co opting Orthodox Christianity because he knows that his grip 2424 01:50:05.640 --> 01:50:06.399 is now exposed. 2425 01:50:06.479 --> 01:50:09.960 This is the natural progression once people get exposed, it 2426 01:50:10.000 --> 01:50:10.880 seems to be the case. 2427 01:50:13.159 --> 01:50:16.359 And by the way, like I'll never stop going against 2428 01:50:16.399 --> 01:50:18.560 these guys once you you know, try to do this 2429 01:50:18.680 --> 01:50:20.520 kind of stuff to me, like, I'm not donna stop, 2430 01:50:20.880 --> 01:50:23.199 so we'll be like Alex Jones over here, I'll keep going. 2431 01:50:23.720 --> 01:50:29.479 JB five dollars the biggest EVA again, I think that's 2432 01:50:29.520 --> 01:50:31.560 already been decided a long time ago. 2433 01:50:31.800 --> 01:50:34.039 So well, I mean, I don't see any super chess 2434 01:50:34.159 --> 01:50:34.640 backing up. 2435 01:50:34.760 --> 01:50:36.039 You're a good claim, But that's. 2436 01:50:35.920 --> 01:50:36.960 Fine, Tristan. 2437 01:50:37.039 --> 01:50:39.039 I sent that one in under a soccer account to 2438 01:50:39.079 --> 01:50:40.880 make you feel better, just so you would come back 2439 01:50:40.920 --> 01:50:41.560 to the streams. 2440 01:50:42.319 --> 01:50:44.439 I did that so you come back to these streams, dude. 2441 01:50:44.479 --> 01:50:53.640 Come on, Uh, let's see we got JB says that 2442 01:50:53.960 --> 01:50:55.800 the Masonic position is demonic. 2443 01:50:55.920 --> 01:51:00.760 They're blatant relativists. It was implied, but decidedly acknowledged in 2444 01:51:00.880 --> 01:51:04.319 the debate. Yeah, I think that. I think they did constantly. 2445 01:51:04.359 --> 01:51:07.279 They wasn't just implied, They multiple times were relativistic in 2446 01:51:07.319 --> 01:51:10.520 their arguments. But Guru ten dollars, I was a retarded 2447 01:51:10.600 --> 01:51:13.840 vegan for seven years, not that I ever liked that clown, 2448 01:51:14.079 --> 01:51:16.640 but I love the debate that you have with Vegan gains. 2449 01:51:16.319 --> 01:51:18.800 Back in the day. Through with Tristan. That's how I 2450 01:51:18.840 --> 01:51:21.600 discovered you and how I got back into good stuff. 2451 01:51:21.640 --> 01:51:25.239 That's good. It's how I've seen you. It's good to 2452 01:51:25.279 --> 01:51:28.439 see that you've climbed since. Thank you. Yeah. In fact, 2453 01:51:28.479 --> 01:51:29.159 that was one of the. 2454 01:51:29.159 --> 01:51:32.199 Early debates was actually me and triest in versus ask 2455 01:51:32.279 --> 01:51:34.039 yourself in Vegan Gains Remember those days. 2456 01:51:35.119 --> 01:51:37.560 That was such a funny people still laugh about. But 2457 01:51:38.119 --> 01:51:39.920 some of my like i OL friends. 2458 01:51:39.680 --> 01:51:43.760 Still the fact, the fact, the fact, the fact, the fact, 2459 01:51:43.920 --> 01:51:44.840 the fact, the fact. 2460 01:51:46.479 --> 01:51:49.840 They both short circuited so badly. I actually I forgot 2461 01:51:49.880 --> 01:51:52.239 how much I interacted with Vegan Gains. I had so 2462 01:51:52.439 --> 01:51:55.560 many So I had a lot of interactions with Vegan 2463 01:51:55.600 --> 01:51:56.960 Gates over the years. 2464 01:51:57.840 --> 01:52:00.560 He still makes videos. I guess he's still around. 2465 01:52:01.600 --> 01:52:04.840 He hopped into the debate that I did with Gnostic 2466 01:52:04.920 --> 01:52:08.960 Informant and tried to mog Christianity by saying that his 2467 01:52:09.159 --> 01:52:12.640 god is crom like Conan's. 2468 01:52:13.359 --> 01:52:14.720 Yeah, it was so stupid. 2469 01:52:15.279 --> 01:52:16.680 I mean it's been this was. 2470 01:52:16.680 --> 01:52:17.600 Almost ten years ago. 2471 01:52:17.680 --> 01:52:20.399 It was a twenty eighteen or seven years twenty. I 2472 01:52:20.439 --> 01:52:22.199 think it was twenty eighteen, twenty eighteen year. 2473 01:52:23.159 --> 01:52:25.800 So yeah, we're eight years and he's still got a 2474 01:52:26.000 --> 01:52:27.359 narcissistic wound from it. 2475 01:52:32.079 --> 01:52:39.039 Sleeping gay Scuping Zebra five dollars. Patriarch Carol, how would 2476 01:52:39.079 --> 01:52:43.199 you respond to reports of corruption? You're asking me if 2477 01:52:43.239 --> 01:52:44.239 I was patriarch Carol? 2478 01:52:44.279 --> 01:52:45.960 How whatever? Spawn I'll understand the question. 2479 01:52:46.319 --> 01:52:48.600 How do you feel about blessing a weapon during a war? 2480 01:52:48.720 --> 01:52:51.159 I mean Orthodox Church has always blessed the soldiers and 2481 01:52:51.159 --> 01:52:54.399 the weapons. Chase ten dollars. I was sold by Masons 2482 01:52:54.399 --> 01:52:58.279 that it's an allegory for fraternal use the way that 2483 01:52:58.399 --> 01:53:00.119 college scholarships use is to say. 2484 01:53:01.439 --> 01:53:03.880 And that thus would induct you through the symbolism. 2485 01:53:05.560 --> 01:53:06.199 I'm not one. 2486 01:53:06.760 --> 01:53:10.319 So what is Jabulin. It's it's a religious I mean 2487 01:53:10.359 --> 01:53:14.800 they're using syncretistic principles to create secret societies that are 2488 01:53:14.840 --> 01:53:19.000 so supposedly supra religious and supra national. 2489 01:53:19.119 --> 01:53:19.239 Right. 2490 01:53:19.279 --> 01:53:21.439 That's why it's an international body organization. 2491 01:53:22.600 --> 01:53:26.319 So the fact that they liken it to a college 2492 01:53:26.359 --> 01:53:29.960 fraternity has nothing to do with whether or not it's 2493 01:53:30.640 --> 01:53:34.199 actually religiously committed and it's commitment and its positions. And 2494 01:53:34.239 --> 01:53:36.279 that's what I argued in the debate I think successfully. 2495 01:53:36.880 --> 01:53:38.840 So the fact that you're saying, and this is what. 2496 01:53:38.920 --> 01:53:43.520 Almost everybody did, right, Like almost everybody who's defended it 2497 01:53:43.680 --> 01:53:47.039 or argued for it says even the guys that came 2498 01:53:47.119 --> 01:53:48.479 up at the end of the questions are like, how 2499 01:53:48.600 --> 01:53:52.199 is this any different than joining a corporation that is secular. 2500 01:53:52.760 --> 01:53:54.920 The whole argument is that it's not secular, and that 2501 01:53:55.079 --> 01:53:57.079 you keep saying it secular, but then you go back 2502 01:53:57.119 --> 01:54:00.319 to saying, here's all these religious positions is that you 2503 01:54:00.399 --> 01:54:02.039 got to have to not be excluded. 2504 01:54:02.199 --> 01:54:06.760 Proves the point. It's like, this argument just flies over 2505 01:54:06.800 --> 01:54:08.760 everyone's head and I'm not being mean to you. 2506 01:54:09.039 --> 01:54:10.239 I don't think that's Chase Geyser. 2507 01:54:10.319 --> 01:54:14.880 But what about Leo Taxo admitting that he lied about Mason's. Well, 2508 01:54:14.920 --> 01:54:16.760 what does that have to do with any of my arguments? 2509 01:54:16.960 --> 01:54:17.239 All right? 2510 01:54:17.319 --> 01:54:20.960 So that's that's as fallacy of irrelevance. It's not relevant 2511 01:54:21.000 --> 01:54:26.039 to if somebody lie. If somebody lied about Christianity, that 2512 01:54:26.159 --> 01:54:29.760 has nothing to do with proving Christianity, right, So like, uh, 2513 01:54:31.319 --> 01:54:34.720 I prove that, uh, this is the fallacy fallas Right. 2514 01:54:34.800 --> 01:54:38.359 So if if Richard Dawkins writes a book and somebody 2515 01:54:38.399 --> 01:54:41.079 exposes that he made up all these quotes and lied 2516 01:54:41.079 --> 01:54:43.479 about Christianity, that would improve Christianity. 2517 01:54:44.000 --> 01:54:44.119 Right. 2518 01:54:44.239 --> 01:54:47.880 So Leo Taxil making up lies about Mason's doesn't mean 2519 01:54:48.000 --> 01:54:48.600 Masonry is. 2520 01:54:48.560 --> 01:54:54.199 Therefore good and not still a subject to critique. Look 2521 01:54:54.279 --> 01:54:54.960 up the fallacy. 2522 01:54:55.000 --> 01:55:01.880 Fallacy chronicles the Freemason in the space sound retarded ice Wolf. 2523 01:55:02.840 --> 01:55:07.119 Thank you. I will eventually convey this to my father. 2524 01:55:09.640 --> 01:55:11.439 It convey what you miss them and I must miss 2525 01:55:11.439 --> 01:55:12.800 something talking about some earlier I don't rember what you're 2526 01:55:12.800 --> 01:55:17.119 talking about. Not a Massaud agent says, for ten dollars, 2527 01:55:17.199 --> 01:55:19.760 it sounds like they're Masonic Supreme Being is part of 2528 01:55:19.920 --> 01:55:27.399 the non binary, non identifiable, non gender community. Actually, in the. 2529 01:55:27.520 --> 01:55:31.039 Masonic text they say that it's Adam Cadman and it's bisexual. 2530 01:55:31.680 --> 01:55:35.000 So as you heard me offer as an argument at 2531 01:55:35.039 --> 01:55:37.039 the by the way, they never addressed the yone argument 2532 01:55:37.039 --> 01:55:38.960 at the very beginning that they worship PEPs and the 2533 01:55:39.119 --> 01:55:41.840 JJ's exactly. 2534 01:55:42.960 --> 01:55:47.399 So they admit in their own system that Freemasonry is fake, 2535 01:55:47.560 --> 01:55:48.479 gay and Jewish. 2536 01:55:51.960 --> 01:55:53.920 Well, if you say, if you want to say that, 2537 01:55:54.680 --> 01:55:57.239 direct to people to go to the Zohar to figure 2538 01:55:57.279 --> 01:55:59.239 out who God is is Jewish, that's up to you. 2539 01:55:59.359 --> 01:56:07.960 Tristan Consequently, he said, coincide. Coincidentally, he says that this 2540 01:56:08.159 --> 01:56:10.680 is also the ven number to a twenty eleven explorer, 2541 01:56:10.760 --> 01:56:13.600 the m M I w G two s Joel LBG 2542 01:56:13.800 --> 01:56:17.560 t q q I a community TINGU twenty five dollars. 2543 01:56:17.600 --> 01:56:19.600 If you could sit down for a couple hours to 2544 01:56:19.640 --> 01:56:22.199 talk to anybody from history that isn't Jesus, who would 2545 01:56:22.279 --> 01:56:22.600 you pick? 2546 01:56:24.079 --> 01:56:32.680 I don't know, Tristan, after we die, how's that energetic distinction? 2547 01:56:32.920 --> 01:56:34.319 But I think that's just a death threat. 2548 01:56:34.640 --> 01:56:37.159 No, it's not. It's okay, Candice. I know you think 2549 01:56:37.199 --> 01:56:38.479 everything is a threat against you. 2550 01:56:38.560 --> 01:56:43.680 Suddenly, but it's the gang Stalkers exactly, the gang shovistaraty. There, 2551 01:56:45.000 --> 01:56:48.039 I've sent the hitman, and in Tristan's gonna I'm gonna 2552 01:56:48.079 --> 01:56:49.760 regret it, and then I'm gonna wish that I could 2553 01:56:49.800 --> 01:56:50.880 talk to Trustan afterwards. 2554 01:56:50.920 --> 01:56:54.239 But the top of the top diva, I'm the top 2555 01:56:54.319 --> 01:56:59.359 t I'm the top target targeted individual diva and there 2556 01:56:59.399 --> 01:56:59.720 after me. 2557 01:57:00.159 --> 01:57:03.760 But climbing to the top requires ruthlessness. And if I'm 2558 01:57:03.760 --> 01:57:07.359 going to be the top of diva, sometimes sometimes you know, 2559 01:57:07.520 --> 01:57:09.640 something might happen to the competition. I don't know. 2560 01:57:10.760 --> 01:57:12.239 That's a joke, by the way, where people try to 2561 01:57:12.239 --> 01:57:14.560 full the stream energetic distinction of dollars, How do we 2562 01:57:14.720 --> 01:57:15.560 get our family. 2563 01:57:15.319 --> 01:57:17.239 To understand that Masonry is Satanic? 2564 01:57:17.359 --> 01:57:17.479 Is it? 2565 01:57:17.680 --> 01:57:20.880 And it's a different alter than God's. I mean, do 2566 01:57:20.960 --> 01:57:24.960 you not think that? I mean, the debate debate not 2567 01:57:25.079 --> 01:57:25.359 show that. 2568 01:57:25.479 --> 01:57:27.000 I mean, if you don't believe that, if you can't 2569 01:57:27.000 --> 01:57:31.239 see that relativism is the Satanic point, then your your 2570 01:57:31.439 --> 01:57:33.960 your family's just going to be Normies like every other 2571 01:57:34.039 --> 01:57:36.680 normy because all the normies are all relativest. 2572 01:57:37.159 --> 01:57:39.239 That's your truth, man, it's true for you. It's true 2573 01:57:39.279 --> 01:57:39.920 for you, dude. 2574 01:57:40.439 --> 01:57:44.239 That's like basic bitch normy right there. And the Masons 2575 01:57:44.239 --> 01:57:45.720 are basically saying that throughout the debate. 2576 01:57:45.840 --> 01:57:47.560 So Altar boy, five dollars, what. 2577 01:57:47.600 --> 01:57:51.199 Are you saying if the cops say I'm not driving drunk, 2578 01:57:51.399 --> 01:57:55.760 but my actions are that I was driving drunk. I 2579 01:57:55.800 --> 01:57:57.720 guess you're talking about the Masons, Like if they're saying 2580 01:57:57.800 --> 01:58:00.800 I'm not denying Christ by joining us society that denies 2581 01:58:00.840 --> 01:58:03.119 Christ because I still believe in Christ. Right, I caught 2582 01:58:03.159 --> 01:58:05.159 him at ten dollars. John says, anyone denies the deed 2583 01:58:05.199 --> 01:58:07.760 of Christ is Antichrist, exactly as we say against the Muslims. 2584 01:58:08.319 --> 01:58:11.399 So is it fair to say that Masonry is Antichrist? Yes, exactly, 2585 01:58:11.600 --> 01:58:16.000 just like Islam serge, Yes, five dollars damn. Ecumenism is 2586 01:58:16.039 --> 01:58:18.720 pressing in from every angle, kind of terrifying what you 2587 01:58:18.760 --> 01:58:21.600 start noticing and recognize. Yeah, it's the same position as Ruslin, 2588 01:58:21.720 --> 01:58:25.640 redeem Zomer, Trent Horn, all the humanists, the Freemasons, they 2589 01:58:25.680 --> 01:58:28.439 have the same position. Nobody can say what Christianity is, 2590 01:58:28.520 --> 01:58:32.199 although they can say what masonry is. If you saw 2591 01:58:32.279 --> 01:58:34.319 we saw that pointed out in the debate. They can 2592 01:58:34.399 --> 01:58:37.720 tell you who's a regular and irregular lodge, but Chase 2593 01:58:37.760 --> 01:58:39.560 couldn't tell you who isn't isn't a Christian in terms 2594 01:58:39.600 --> 01:58:40.479 of historical bodies. 2595 01:58:40.760 --> 01:58:45.920 I thought that was absurd in the debate. D jewels 2596 01:58:45.960 --> 01:58:48.960 five dollars day. It's interesting that you aren't tagged on 2597 01:58:49.000 --> 01:58:50.920 that video and there's a bunch of edits. Yeah. I 2598 01:58:51.000 --> 01:58:53.359 don't know why DJ did that. Maybe he may be. 2599 01:58:53.479 --> 01:58:56.199 Working with Chase. Chase moved to Nashville, so they might 2600 01:58:56.239 --> 01:59:02.920 have work that they're doing together. I don't think he was. 2601 01:59:03.039 --> 01:59:05.399 I mean, I didn't notice him cutting out any substantial 2602 01:59:05.560 --> 01:59:08.239 debate points, So I'm not accusing DJ of doing anything 2603 01:59:09.239 --> 01:59:12.920 in that regard because that was everything that I remember 2604 01:59:13.000 --> 01:59:15.760 from the debate. So they didn't edit anything out of 2605 01:59:15.760 --> 01:59:17.880 the debate, except that they just even the audio levels 2606 01:59:17.920 --> 01:59:20.640 so that we weren't getting really loud and you didn't 2607 01:59:20.680 --> 01:59:23.399 hear the audience laughing when I was making fun of 2608 01:59:23.439 --> 01:59:25.680 them at several points. But I kind of wish they'd 2609 01:59:25.720 --> 01:59:32.600 kept that in Illuminati Checkboard Flooring twenty dollars Doing a 2610 01:59:33.479 --> 01:59:36.880 R storiography the OSS and CAA. Have you covered Donovan 2611 01:59:37.399 --> 01:59:41.800 by the CAA Thomas Troy. It's very dry compared to 2612 01:59:41.800 --> 01:59:42.880 the old boys, but good stuff. 2613 01:59:42.920 --> 01:59:43.239 I don't have. 2614 01:59:43.319 --> 01:59:45.720 I have a couple biographies of will Build Donovan, and 2615 01:59:45.760 --> 01:59:47.279 I have his own autobiography, but I don't have that. 2616 01:59:47.399 --> 01:59:52.000 No, that's a big project. I mean a historiography, like 2617 01:59:52.159 --> 01:59:54.840 if it's going to be exhausted, that's going to be. 2618 01:59:54.920 --> 01:59:56.359 Like I mean, yeah, like. 2619 01:59:58.399 --> 02:00:01.680 I want to write a book on geopolitics and espionage. 2620 02:00:01.720 --> 02:00:03.640 But the problem is that it would just be so 2621 02:00:03.920 --> 02:00:07.399 difficult to to figure out how to do it, and 2622 02:00:07.479 --> 02:00:09.159 it would be so much work. And then then you 2623 02:00:09.239 --> 02:00:11.640 have to think, will anybody even buy this? I don't 2624 02:00:11.640 --> 02:00:12.359 even know that they would. 2625 02:00:12.479 --> 02:00:16.039 You have to pick, you know, think of like one 2626 02:00:16.159 --> 02:00:18.800 chapter you would do in that book, and that's a book. 2627 02:00:19.560 --> 02:00:21.319 Yeah, I might have to like I might have to 2628 02:00:21.399 --> 02:00:25.239 like narrow it down to like uh, espionage and the church, 2629 02:00:25.640 --> 02:00:27.720 you know what I mean something like that, or really. 2630 02:00:27.600 --> 02:00:30.720 YE think if you do a broad a broad take 2631 02:00:30.800 --> 02:00:32.920 on it, it's it's impossible. It's gonna end up being 2632 02:00:33.000 --> 02:00:36.359 like a you know, three one thousand page volumes. 2633 02:00:38.039 --> 02:00:39.279 Yeah, i'd be like a life's work. 2634 02:00:39.319 --> 02:00:45.000 There's a complete historiography on OS s c. I A, yeah, 2635 02:00:45.159 --> 02:00:49.479 and written about things in twentieth century history. 2636 02:00:49.399 --> 02:00:51.119 Right, exactly material. 2637 02:00:51.359 --> 02:00:55.000 I remember the my French Revolution professor when I was 2638 02:00:55.079 --> 02:01:00.119 in the undergrad the French Revolution professor, he said that 2639 02:01:01.039 --> 02:01:04.680 no event And I think you wanted to say because 2640 02:01:04.680 --> 02:01:08.720 it's it's so long since the French Revolution. I think 2641 02:01:08.760 --> 02:01:10.560 that and this was way after the Big nine event. 2642 02:01:10.640 --> 02:01:13.119 I think he said that no event even world War two, 2643 02:01:13.199 --> 02:01:16.720 that like maybe it was World War two in French Revolution, 2644 02:01:16.880 --> 02:01:18.319 like you could never read all the books that have 2645 02:01:18.439 --> 02:01:20.840 been written on those two events. 2646 02:01:21.000 --> 02:01:29.039 So yeah, that's that. Tracks that makes sense. 2647 02:01:30.640 --> 02:01:31.199 Death takes. 2648 02:01:31.359 --> 02:01:33.359 I'm going to the shape story. Do you need anything? 2649 02:01:34.760 --> 02:01:37.199 Lamarconi five dollars? What is your beef with Sam Schamun. 2650 02:01:37.439 --> 02:01:38.920 You can go watch all the old live streams where 2651 02:01:38.960 --> 02:01:40.800 you lay out what the problems were with Sam Shimun. 2652 02:01:41.079 --> 02:01:42.399 I'm not gonna rehearsal that right now. 2653 02:01:42.560 --> 02:01:46.399 JV Jay, you should do more with John Kiriaki. The 2654 02:01:46.439 --> 02:01:48.039 two of you complimented each other very well. 2655 02:01:48.159 --> 02:01:51.560 Thank you. Lamarconi says, for five dollars, can you explain 2656 02:01:51.680 --> 02:01:53.239 Orthodox stance on faith and works. 2657 02:01:53.920 --> 02:01:56.199 I'm having a hard time explaining it and defending it 2658 02:01:56.319 --> 02:02:01.159 in OC. You over there in Orange County, dog I 2659 02:02:01.199 --> 02:02:03.159 don't know if he means Orange County or the Orthodox Church, 2660 02:02:03.279 --> 02:02:07.039 but you get something like, you know, Rock and Sand 2661 02:02:07.159 --> 02:02:09.279 Father Josiah or look up. But guys, we've got a 2662 02:02:09.319 --> 02:02:12.319 lot of old podcasts and videos on you know, justification 2663 02:02:12.439 --> 02:02:14.239 by faith alone and the problems with that. So I 2664 02:02:14.279 --> 02:02:17.920 would say you gotta gotta check out those old live trems. 2665 02:02:17.920 --> 02:02:19.359 I don't try and be rude, but shout out to 2666 02:02:19.399 --> 02:02:21.439 a c. We haven't seen Ac in in a good. 2667 02:02:21.720 --> 02:02:23.920 In a in a hot minute. It's been a hot minute, 2668 02:02:23.960 --> 02:02:27.159 but Ac is back in the chat. Long time supporter 2669 02:02:27.359 --> 02:02:28.000 super chatter. 2670 02:02:28.560 --> 02:02:32.439 Ac says, this is my hit job for Captain tazariyak 2671 02:02:32.560 --> 02:02:35.720 uh Oh. So we've done lost Ac from Orthodox to 2672 02:02:35.800 --> 02:02:38.319 the BHI. He's now a black heeber Israeli as a 2673 02:02:38.359 --> 02:02:41.000 white man. Don't make me make sense to it, because 2674 02:02:41.000 --> 02:02:41.920 it ain't gonna make sense. 2675 02:02:42.760 --> 02:02:47.119 Mad Finland eleven dollars in regard to Ruslan and his 2676 02:02:47.319 --> 02:02:51.720 comment about Jade Jay's Lovely which Jay fails to realize 2677 02:02:51.760 --> 02:02:52.359 that the five. 2678 02:02:52.359 --> 02:02:56.399 Langue Love Language are like the DITTI key to evangelicals. Oh, 2679 02:02:56.439 --> 02:02:58.720 I didn't even know this is a thing amongst evangelicals. 2680 02:02:58.880 --> 02:02:59.359 I didn't really. 2681 02:02:59.359 --> 02:03:00.920 I mean, I know they're gay as hell, but like, 2682 02:03:02.359 --> 02:03:05.159 I don't even know what that is. They literally handed 2683 02:03:05.199 --> 02:03:07.239 out copies of the Love Language at my old church 2684 02:03:07.279 --> 02:03:10.399 of Christ. Jay puts on respect on Gary Chapman. Okay, 2685 02:03:10.479 --> 02:03:13.920 so this is an evangelical like way to make yourself 2686 02:03:14.039 --> 02:03:14.479 more gay. 2687 02:03:14.600 --> 02:03:15.279 Okay, I got it. 2688 02:03:19.840 --> 02:03:22.359 That's actually a marked I think that's actually a Marvin 2689 02:03:22.399 --> 02:03:24.319 Gay album language. 2690 02:03:24.720 --> 02:03:26.600 Okay. But it's starting to make more sense now that 2691 02:03:26.720 --> 02:03:30.840 this is like a popular evangelical thing, which I don't. 2692 02:03:31.600 --> 02:03:33.399 I mean, I haven't been in the world of evangelicalism 2693 02:03:33.439 --> 02:03:39.880 since nineteen ninety nine, so but maybe I don't know 2694 02:03:39.920 --> 02:03:42.239 when this came out. Let's see when it come out. Okay, 2695 02:03:42.279 --> 02:03:46.880 so this is nineties. Oh look they got that Memphis. 2696 02:03:48.479 --> 02:03:55.359 What's that horrible dystopian tech art style Corporate Memphis. Oh 2697 02:03:55.439 --> 02:03:55.840 my gosh. 2698 02:03:55.920 --> 02:03:58.800 If I see corporate Memphis and faceless black and white 2699 02:03:58.840 --> 02:04:01.600 people together, yeah, that's perfect. 2700 02:04:01.279 --> 02:04:07.319 For the rusalom Ruslan. Ruslan's whole rhythm Church should be 2701 02:04:07.439 --> 02:04:11.399 decked out in icons with Rouslan Saints in corporate Memphis. 2702 02:04:11.439 --> 02:04:16.920 That would be perfect for him. Triple seven, you know branch. 2703 02:04:16.680 --> 02:04:17.720 In New York, you can be. 2704 02:04:19.479 --> 02:04:24.840 Uh, excuse me, excuse me, you mean Tristan Tristan. I 2705 02:04:24.920 --> 02:04:32.760 think you mean a franchise of the church. Franchise exactly 2706 02:04:33.920 --> 02:04:36.800 triple five dollars. When will we get a Gnostic pope 2707 02:04:37.079 --> 02:04:39.520 with Jay Dyer Who's Gnostic pope? He is an ex 2708 02:04:39.680 --> 02:04:42.520 Muslim who became Orthodox Catechyuman. Okay, well, I'm not familiar 2709 02:04:42.560 --> 02:04:44.680 with him, but that's he sounds like he's making the 2710 02:04:44.760 --> 02:04:52.479 right moves. Uh, all right, hold on, we got to 2711 02:04:52.520 --> 02:04:55.840 check the super chats over here on YouTube because those 2712 02:04:55.880 --> 02:04:57.720 are separate and always always missed some of. 2713 02:04:57.720 --> 02:05:03.159 These, so uh, TJ's takes five dollars. I can't see 2714 02:05:03.199 --> 02:05:04.159 if you made a comment. 2715 02:05:05.239 --> 02:05:08.039 Ac says for five dollars, this really shows the trajectory 2716 02:05:08.279 --> 02:05:12.039 of the Middle Ages and Protestantism to Masonry to relativism 2717 02:05:12.119 --> 02:05:14.000 and liberalism. That's actually a good point, right, You kind 2718 02:05:14.000 --> 02:05:17.840 of have these phases historically in the West, ideologically speaking 2719 02:05:17.960 --> 02:05:22.960 of the movement from you know, medieval Papism to Enlightenment 2720 02:05:23.079 --> 02:05:26.079 and Protestantism and Enlightenment and then you get Masonry and 2721 02:05:26.159 --> 02:05:29.079 then you get atheism. Right, And that's exactly what sat 2722 02:05:29.119 --> 02:05:31.680 Gregy Palmos said, the trajectory would be of the West. 2723 02:05:31.720 --> 02:05:37.680 Great comment there, ac two. 2724 02:05:37.720 --> 02:05:40.560 The we sing gave out a bunch of memberships. Appreciate that, man, 2725 02:05:41.079 --> 02:05:47.079 I appreciate the generosity tonight. I think I got all 2726 02:05:47.159 --> 02:05:50.760 the super chests there. Making sure guys remember head on 2727 02:05:50.800 --> 02:05:53.159 a chalk dot com remember to subscribe to our bro 2728 02:05:53.359 --> 02:05:56.159 a Tristanna. Tristan is linked in the show description the 2729 02:05:56.199 --> 02:05:58.640 Tristan Haggard YouTube channel. Be sure to subscribe to me 2730 02:05:59.039 --> 02:05:59.880 on x and everywhere. 2731 02:06:00.199 --> 02:06:02.520 Digital says for ten dollars, it would have been funny as. 2732 02:06:02.479 --> 02:06:04.720 Hell if you could have dropped the Muslim painting from 2733 02:06:04.800 --> 02:06:08.039 the Masonic Museum. When the ball guy said that they 2734 02:06:08.079 --> 02:06:10.399 would say hell no to Muslim members, that's not true 2735 02:06:10.399 --> 02:06:13.520 though they have Muslim members. You can, I mean, Chase 2736 02:06:13.560 --> 02:06:17.000 admitted that what they were saying was they don't believe 2737 02:06:17.079 --> 02:06:19.720 they personally are worshiping the same God as Islam, but 2738 02:06:19.840 --> 02:06:22.000 they can be in the society with Muslims because they're 2739 02:06:22.000 --> 02:06:24.359 affirming the same quote generic God personally. 2740 02:06:25.000 --> 02:06:26.319 So you know, it's how silly that is. Oh. 2741 02:06:26.399 --> 02:06:30.159 Rachel Wilson says, for twenty dollars, Jay one over two Freemasons. 2742 02:06:31.880 --> 02:06:37.159 The Freemason homo is an easy dub. Rachel says, give 2743 02:06:37.359 --> 02:06:38.000 Jay your money. 2744 02:06:38.039 --> 02:06:42.439 All you pay piggys ooh pay Piggy pro Zilch coming 2745 02:06:42.479 --> 02:06:45.720 in clutch for twenty memberships. He gifted twenty memberships. Thank 2746 02:06:45.720 --> 02:06:48.880 you so much. Zell's appreciate that. Appreciate that. 2747 02:06:49.039 --> 02:06:53.760 Alan Yee says, stop that Freemason cap. Pay Masons is 2748 02:06:53.840 --> 02:06:55.840 where it's at you exactly, and now I have no 2749 02:06:55.920 --> 02:06:58.640 more to this Freemason. I'm talking about getting paid Mason 2750 02:06:58.680 --> 02:06:59.199 over here. 2751 02:07:06.279 --> 02:07:06.600 Again. 2752 02:07:06.720 --> 02:07:09.520 We got people talking about Tristan mogging me in terms 2753 02:07:09.560 --> 02:07:10.479 of diva status. 2754 02:07:11.039 --> 02:07:13.279 I'm just going to have a rage quick. I'm going 2755 02:07:13.359 --> 02:07:16.239 to have a rage quick read these ones. All right. 2756 02:07:16.279 --> 02:07:22.399 I'm sorry we got Walter, I've been waiting minute. Yeah, 2757 02:07:22.399 --> 02:07:24.199 I'm sorry. I forgot to go to the people in 2758 02:07:24.239 --> 02:07:25.680 the in the queue here, what's up dog? 2759 02:07:26.960 --> 02:07:29.800 Hey, good to hear you guys again. I just I'm 2760 02:07:29.880 --> 02:07:32.000 just here. It's like quite early. 2761 02:07:32.159 --> 02:07:36.319 I'm from Germany, by the way, I guess I want 2762 02:07:36.359 --> 02:07:39.159 to tell you I want to start Twitter spaces myself, 2763 02:07:39.600 --> 02:07:41.399 trying to do the social media thing. 2764 02:07:42.319 --> 02:07:44.159 Got the blue check mark and all that. 2765 02:07:44.840 --> 02:07:47.880 I'm wondering, like, I need some guests, like and I'd 2766 02:07:47.920 --> 02:07:53.039 be very glad if like you are Tristan or both ideal, 2767 02:07:53.399 --> 02:07:56.920 like we could set up some cool Twitter spaces. 2768 02:07:56.920 --> 02:07:58.319 I would like to interview you guys. 2769 02:07:59.319 --> 02:07:59.439 Uh. 2770 02:07:59.560 --> 02:08:01.319 Well, yeah, I hit him up, hit me up in 2771 02:08:01.399 --> 02:08:03.119 the the messages. 2772 02:08:03.359 --> 02:08:04.479 Uh, and I'll. 2773 02:08:06.039 --> 02:08:09.119 Yeah, I appreciate that. Okay, I appreciate it. Man. Yeah, 2774 02:08:09.159 --> 02:08:10.520 we'll take a look at that and we'll forgot out 2775 02:08:10.520 --> 02:08:11.479 a time when we can do something. 2776 02:08:11.520 --> 02:08:15.199 Colper, what's Up's my handler? So he speaks from me? 2777 02:08:15.319 --> 02:08:18.640 He has and I have to ask, right. 2778 02:08:18.760 --> 02:08:21.439 I asked Karaoku what to say, and Karaoku asked Putin 2779 02:08:21.520 --> 02:08:22.920 what to say. So it has to come down the 2780 02:08:23.000 --> 02:08:25.439 chain of hierarchy properly. 2781 02:08:25.520 --> 02:08:27.720 We have to do it in the right order. TJ says. 2782 02:08:27.760 --> 02:08:31.319 For five dollars, pay grind g. I think he's talking 2783 02:08:31.319 --> 02:08:32.159 about Brian Shapiro. 2784 02:08:33.640 --> 02:08:35.640 I don't think when I mentioned when I started laughing, 2785 02:08:35.720 --> 02:08:38.079 when I missed when I was talking to John Kiyaku 2786 02:08:38.199 --> 02:08:41.520 and I was thinking about peaky blinders and I said 2787 02:08:41.560 --> 02:08:44.520 peaky grinders, and I was thinking of Brian Shapiro. And 2788 02:08:44.640 --> 02:08:47.359 I don't think John Kiyaku. He probably just thought I 2789 02:08:47.399 --> 02:08:50.359 was talking about the sandwich, the grinder, Culpeper. What's up, 2790 02:08:53.840 --> 02:08:54.279 col Pepper? 2791 02:08:54.319 --> 02:08:54.600 I'm you. 2792 02:08:58.520 --> 02:08:59.239 Hey, can you hear me? 2793 02:08:59.319 --> 02:09:00.279 Can you hear me? Uh? Huh? 2794 02:09:00.319 --> 02:09:00.600 What's up? 2795 02:09:00.640 --> 02:09:02.520 Man? You said Culpepper. 2796 02:09:02.600 --> 02:09:08.079 You understand the history of that, right, No, Coulpepper was 2797 02:09:08.239 --> 02:09:12.680 the name that Washington gave Colper before he named them Culper. 2798 02:09:13.000 --> 02:09:15.239 Okay, well, I can't see I got Boomera. I'm sorry. 2799 02:09:15.880 --> 02:09:19.960 Yeah, No, I'm a boomer too, dude, don't worry. Uh, Tristan, 2800 02:09:20.560 --> 02:09:21.319 I'm a fan of you. 2801 02:09:22.039 --> 02:09:23.119 I just followed you, all right. 2802 02:09:23.119 --> 02:09:25.079 I'm immediately going to meet this guy because we're getting 2803 02:09:25.119 --> 02:09:25.479 too many. 2804 02:09:25.840 --> 02:09:26.000 Uh. 2805 02:09:30.760 --> 02:09:32.520 This is not I did not expect it to go 2806 02:09:32.640 --> 02:09:37.880 this way. There's too many, Tristan. My biggest thing. 2807 02:09:39.960 --> 02:09:42.039 I called before you, Remember I told you my mom 2808 02:09:42.199 --> 02:09:45.039 like married a bunch of people and had a bunch 2809 02:09:45.119 --> 02:09:48.399 of husbands or whatever I called like months. 2810 02:09:48.119 --> 02:09:50.800 Ago, me or him or who are you talking about? 2811 02:09:51.119 --> 02:09:51.600 I called you. 2812 02:09:51.800 --> 02:09:54.239 I called you and your mama had a bunch of husbands. 2813 02:09:54.840 --> 02:09:57.760 Yeah, he said. 2814 02:09:59.720 --> 02:10:02.159 This, This ain't Jerry Springer signing the Saint Oprah. 2815 02:10:03.239 --> 02:10:05.399 But what I was trying to say one of the 2816 02:10:05.520 --> 02:10:13.000 husbands had a Masonic Bible. Oo. Yeah, dog, So I 2817 02:10:13.119 --> 02:10:16.720 love the Bible. My grandmama she gave me a King James. 2818 02:10:16.960 --> 02:10:19.119 I read it. They went through you remember the King James. 2819 02:10:19.159 --> 02:10:22.399 I had like the maps in the back. Yes, yeah, 2820 02:10:22.640 --> 02:10:23.680 you would go through the maps. 2821 02:10:23.760 --> 02:10:26.880 You're like, ooh, just as the old Israel and here 2822 02:10:26.920 --> 02:10:27.119 we go. 2823 02:10:27.279 --> 02:10:30.439 Yeah, if you go back in the back of a. 2824 02:10:30.680 --> 02:10:34.760 Masonic Bible, it's like a bunch of Egyptian hieroglyphics. 2825 02:10:35.159 --> 02:10:39.079 Oh I didn't know that, dude. I opened up the 2826 02:10:39.159 --> 02:10:40.119 Masonic Bible. 2827 02:10:40.239 --> 02:10:44.680 Wow, it was like the Iohaus a bunch of Egyptian 2828 02:10:44.840 --> 02:10:45.720 highero glyphics. 2829 02:10:45.800 --> 02:10:48.000 And I was just like, Mama, what the fuck is this? 2830 02:10:48.479 --> 02:10:51.680 Yeah, well I'm not Yeah, I'm not surprised because I 2831 02:10:51.800 --> 02:10:53.319 have seen appreciate that culprit. 2832 02:10:53.399 --> 02:10:56.279 I have seen Masonic Bibles, you know, the big, big 2833 02:10:56.359 --> 02:10:57.159 ones that they have the lot. 2834 02:10:57.279 --> 02:10:59.199 I've just never spent a lot of time flipping through them, 2835 02:10:59.600 --> 02:11:03.239 so I'm not surprised that there's you know, like egypt 2836 02:11:03.680 --> 02:11:05.960 you know, esotery, Egyptian gibberation in the back. 2837 02:11:06.039 --> 02:11:13.119 But that's that's fascinating, Connive. What's in the back? Exactly right? 2838 02:11:13.159 --> 02:11:15.319 I would to make an edit, like a cringe core 2839 02:11:15.479 --> 02:11:17.720 edit song of some of the same thing. That's some 2840 02:11:17.760 --> 02:11:18.760 of the things he just said. 2841 02:11:19.760 --> 02:11:22.800 Talks by the way, Uh, your mom with anybody right now? 2842 02:11:26.159 --> 02:11:29.199 Jay, you know that nickname of your mom is the 2843 02:11:29.319 --> 02:11:30.399 I Ah Risk. 2844 02:11:30.479 --> 02:11:35.640 Oh shit, connive conveyive, what's up man, I'm here now. 2845 02:11:35.840 --> 02:11:38.680 My Michael isn't working earlier. But I just had a 2846 02:11:39.000 --> 02:11:40.520 question about and just for. 2847 02:11:40.640 --> 02:11:43.359 Context, I told you I was a Catholic before, and 2848 02:11:43.840 --> 02:11:46.760 I'm currently discerning between the Catholic Church. 2849 02:11:46.600 --> 02:11:47.880 And Eastern Orthodoxy. 2850 02:11:48.600 --> 02:11:52.520 And I've been writing an evangelical letter to someone that 2851 02:11:52.600 --> 02:11:55.760 I know that's a non practicing Catholic and just believing 2852 02:11:55.800 --> 02:11:58.800 in atheism. And I thought it was going to be easy, 2853 02:11:59.000 --> 02:12:01.640 like an easy letter, right. Oh, I'm gonna list the 2854 02:12:01.720 --> 02:12:03.079 five arguments from Aquinas. 2855 02:12:03.960 --> 02:12:07.479 And while I was writing the letter, I found. 2856 02:12:07.239 --> 02:12:10.880 A video by you rejecting the first argument of motion. 2857 02:12:11.640 --> 02:12:13.479 And I found an argument against. 2858 02:12:13.279 --> 02:12:16.279 Natural theology by Father and I don't know how to 2859 02:12:16.279 --> 02:12:19.680 pronounce his name, Deacon Annius. 2860 02:12:20.520 --> 02:12:22.239 Nice, Yeah, I blink, but. 2861 02:12:23.159 --> 02:12:25.399 Yeah, And that was based on like epistemology. But I 2862 02:12:25.479 --> 02:12:28.640 don't have a very good understanding of epistemology yet because 2863 02:12:28.680 --> 02:12:29.359 I haven't studied it. 2864 02:12:30.079 --> 02:12:33.039 So my question to you is, if. 2865 02:12:33.000 --> 02:12:35.560 You were in my situation, how would you create the 2866 02:12:35.640 --> 02:12:39.239 most coherent argument for the existence of God if you 2867 02:12:39.359 --> 02:12:41.840 reject natural theology and correct me if I'm wrong on 2868 02:12:41.920 --> 02:12:46.239 your position, and what arguments would be the most logically 2869 02:12:46.359 --> 02:12:49.239 valid while also being plausible to a heathen. 2870 02:12:51.159 --> 02:12:54.279 That's going to be really difficult to convey in a 2871 02:12:54.399 --> 02:12:56.199 letter to an atheist. I mean, I'm not telling you 2872 02:12:56.319 --> 02:12:58.520 not to do it, but you know, we got a 2873 02:12:58.560 --> 02:13:00.800 lot of videos kind of explained TAG, so I'll go 2874 02:13:00.880 --> 02:13:02.439 I would say, go check out any of the TAG 2875 02:13:02.560 --> 02:13:05.960 explanation videos or Father Deconductor and Ice on his channel. 2876 02:13:06.000 --> 02:13:08.760 He has a whole playlist on TAG and his channel 2877 02:13:08.840 --> 02:13:11.079 is Patristic Faith Chase. 2878 02:13:11.439 --> 02:13:12.960 H uh oh, this is. 2879 02:13:13.000 --> 02:13:15.159 Getting a little too haggardly. I mean, we've got too 2880 02:13:15.239 --> 02:13:17.720 much haggard energy in here. It's just kind of sap 2881 02:13:17.800 --> 02:13:20.880 in the room. So yeah, you can. 2882 02:13:21.000 --> 02:13:25.000 You can boot Tristan. Let's see he's done. Okay, yeah, 2883 02:13:25.039 --> 02:13:29.399 you can remove him. Tristan, are you there? Hello? 2884 02:13:29.760 --> 02:13:30.880 I think he's not going to talk to you. 2885 02:13:33.239 --> 02:13:35.560 He's a tuning out the sound of his voice. Who's this? 2886 02:13:37.600 --> 02:13:38.760 This is your former brother. 2887 02:13:38.960 --> 02:13:41.079 The family asked me to send you a message because 2888 02:13:41.079 --> 02:13:43.159 of your good performance tonight, we'd like to. 2889 02:13:43.520 --> 02:13:45.359 Go back to stop. 2890 02:13:45.439 --> 02:13:51.960 Stop mute him, mute him, please mute him. Sorry, this 2891 02:13:52.119 --> 02:13:55.319 is this is not your cross exam time. The family 2892 02:13:55.720 --> 02:13:58.479 would like to offer you a place back at the table. Okay, 2893 02:13:58.560 --> 02:14:00.239 we'll call you by your name. You know you got 2894 02:14:00.319 --> 02:14:02.640 mad and calling you the other son. But we'd like 2895 02:14:02.720 --> 02:14:04.520 to offer you a chance back at the table. 2896 02:14:04.560 --> 02:14:06.439 See we got reconciliation happening right here. 2897 02:14:08.039 --> 02:14:13.039 Do you accept the terms? Somebody just tell me when 2898 02:14:13.039 --> 02:14:14.239 he's done talking, I'll come back. 2899 02:14:14.399 --> 02:14:17.159 Okay, all right, Well, you. 2900 02:14:17.199 --> 02:14:20.760 Know we're proud of you. Parents said that they'd like 2901 02:14:20.840 --> 02:14:22.640 to soon say they love you. So that's all I want. 2902 02:14:22.720 --> 02:14:24.199 This has to do with people transition. 2903 02:14:24.399 --> 02:14:26.640 This has to do with detransitioning and where people are 2904 02:14:26.680 --> 02:14:28.479 at and their journey and you know, that's. 2905 02:14:28.560 --> 02:14:31.079 Kind of what's not funny? I know that's not funny. 2906 02:14:31.079 --> 02:14:32.000 I'm not making a joke. 2907 02:14:32.600 --> 02:14:37.920 That's not a funny joke. Bro, all right, no apology. 2908 02:14:37.960 --> 02:14:38.880 All right, well I'm headed out. 2909 02:14:38.960 --> 02:14:39.199 That's it. 2910 02:14:39.319 --> 02:14:39.760 That's all right. 2911 02:14:39.800 --> 02:14:41.319 Well that's all you can do. That's all you can do. 2912 02:14:41.479 --> 02:14:45.119 Chase, good luck with him, Kristen says, get on with 2913 02:14:45.279 --> 02:14:46.119 gnostic Pope. 2914 02:14:46.880 --> 02:14:49.039 Okay, yeah, we'll see nastic Pope, he says. 2915 02:14:49.319 --> 02:14:51.880 Triple Triple says he has three hundred and eighty six 2916 02:14:52.039 --> 02:14:54.880 on TikTok. I'll have to just see who he is. 2917 02:14:54.920 --> 02:14:58.199 I'm just not familiar with him, but I appreciate the recommendation. 2918 02:14:59.119 --> 02:15:05.760 All right, had the Heath what's up Heath? Who that's 2919 02:15:05.800 --> 02:15:06.600 a Heather Heath? 2920 02:15:10.119 --> 02:15:12.359 Guys, I'm gonna split the supertisal twist and last chance 2921 02:15:12.439 --> 02:15:16.840 to also support Tristana Heath. What's up man? Last chance? 2922 02:15:17.520 --> 02:15:19.600 All right, you're done? Goodbye? 2923 02:15:21.039 --> 02:15:24.000 Uh for the record, Jade, just want to clear things 2924 02:15:24.000 --> 02:15:26.079 that with some of the slander that you you levied 2925 02:15:26.119 --> 02:15:28.319 at me earlier, saying that it was my tech problem. 2926 02:15:28.720 --> 02:15:32.439 I've done two separate tests and my connections one percent, 2927 02:15:32.800 --> 02:15:33.960 so I think there's something. 2928 02:15:33.760 --> 02:15:34.239 With uh. 2929 02:15:36.039 --> 02:15:38.880 It could no collab cam on O B S. But 2930 02:15:38.960 --> 02:15:40.600 I mean I don't like I had no problems with 2931 02:15:40.800 --> 02:15:43.439 UH karaoke, So I don't know. Dictis what's up? 2932 02:15:45.119 --> 02:15:45.439 Okay? 2933 02:15:45.560 --> 02:15:46.079 How you doing? 2934 02:15:46.720 --> 02:15:47.039 What's up? 2935 02:15:47.880 --> 02:15:50.079 I sent the super shad about the UH the C 2936 02:15:50.239 --> 02:15:53.520 I a storiography. I have an interesting passage here if 2937 02:15:53.520 --> 02:15:54.520 you want to hear it. 2938 02:15:54.760 --> 02:16:01.119 Sure you're familiar with Intrepid the Montgomery. 2939 02:16:00.720 --> 02:16:04.600 Right, William Stevens and William Stevenson Inupid. 2940 02:16:04.680 --> 02:16:04.840 Yeah. 2941 02:16:05.359 --> 02:16:08.319 Yeah, there's a quote here. So this is from Donovan 2942 02:16:08.359 --> 02:16:10.840 and the CIA by Thomas Troy, which is a semi 2943 02:16:10.960 --> 02:16:16.640 official uh CIA history. It was written for incoming CIA 2944 02:16:16.720 --> 02:16:19.319 agents to know the history of the Foundation and UH. 2945 02:16:19.680 --> 02:16:22.239 He says here in the preface to the second printing. 2946 02:16:23.359 --> 02:16:25.399 About the book a man called in Trumpid. 2947 02:16:25.439 --> 02:16:28.479 He says, the story an impressive and fascinating one has 2948 02:16:28.520 --> 02:16:31.159 never been told. However, on the basis of publicly available 2949 02:16:31.199 --> 02:16:35.319 primary sources, and consequently many claims or details remain undocumented. 2950 02:16:35.719 --> 02:16:36.920 Two of these name mentioned here. 2951 02:16:38.079 --> 02:16:40.879 The first is the market quotation attributed to the author 2952 02:16:40.959 --> 02:16:44.760 Stevens and Donovan, detailing the time plays the subject of 2953 02:16:44.760 --> 02:16:45.319 the conversation. 2954 02:16:45.440 --> 02:16:46.799 The first meeting of Donovan TRUMPID. 2955 02:16:47.440 --> 02:16:51.360 So basically he's saying that there's evidence that Donovan and 2956 02:16:52.040 --> 02:16:56.120 uh and Trumpitt knew each other by the comic connection 2957 02:16:56.200 --> 02:16:58.840 to Vincent astor Uh in FDR. 2958 02:17:00.159 --> 02:17:01.959 Yeah that, I mean, that comes up in old boys 2959 02:17:02.079 --> 02:17:02.879 like they talk about. 2960 02:17:02.879 --> 02:17:06.079 I mean, Donovan was a Rockefeller representative, and Donovan had 2961 02:17:06.120 --> 02:17:12.200 an office at Rockefeller Plaza from from the Rockfellers. 2962 02:17:13.559 --> 02:17:15.120 I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. William, I'm sorry. 2963 02:17:15.159 --> 02:17:19.040 William Stevenson had an office at Rockfeller Plaza from the Rockefellers, 2964 02:17:19.479 --> 02:17:24.159 and Donovan was a work for the Rockfeller Foundation before 2965 02:17:24.200 --> 02:17:25.200 he would do all that stuff. 2966 02:17:27.440 --> 02:17:30.159 Yeah, I picked up hersh on your recommendation. That's been 2967 02:17:30.280 --> 02:17:31.719 great to have for the project. 2968 02:17:32.120 --> 02:17:35.479 Yeah. We arguing for extensive I'm limited to like seven pages, right,