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we're all I have an angry clown fetish life. But

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that's hard, like unless it's like an NBA team or

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something like that. WHOA, Hello, everybody, Welcome back to Holly

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Randall Unfiltered. Even though this is the third episode of

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my guest today. This is somebody that I absolutely look

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up to and really admire. She is, of course, Melrosemichaels,

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a performer, entrepreneur, and one of the smartest minds in

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the industry. She is the founder of sex Work, CEO,

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co founder of SWR Data, and the brain behind GPTs

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dot Ai, using tech and data to help adult creators

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actually build real businesses. She understands both the emotional cost

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of being desired and the financial reality of monetizing it.

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Marlows Welcome so much to Holly Randol and filtered so much.

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I'm so grateful to be here. This is this is

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really exciting. This is so exciting for me. How does

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it so? You're beautiful? Thank you, You're intelligent, thank you.

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We all know about the triangle, right, So you must

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be crazy. I have heard it.

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Speaker 2: Said both ways, but usually in the best regard, like crazy, ambitious, crazy, workaholic, crazy,

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doing the things that don't give other people time and

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attention that they probably want from me. But generally I'd

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like to say, IM well rounded and grounded. But you know,

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I'm used, so we'll find out. I guess stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: So how long have you been in the industry for now?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I've been in the adult space for about

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fourteen years. So my like camiversary because I got started

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in cams is October third, so just over fourteen years now.

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Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, it's been a while. And how did you

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get started on this journey? Yeah? So I got into

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go go dancing.

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Speaker 2: So, like I grew up in Chicago and there is

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these night clubs where you can go dance in the

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furry boots and the bikini on the weekends. So I

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was in early credit card deck because I just hand

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those out when you turn eighteen, and I was looking

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Speaker 1: I don't always explain that you have to pay them off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I had no financial upbringing at all our education,

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so racked up from credit card bills, got into go

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dancing to try to pay down that debt, and then

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a lot of the go gos stopped dancing to start webcamming.

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I was like, well, you can do that, Like I

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can do that. So I started webcamming and then that's

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Speaker 1: So tell me about your first experience with webcamming, Like,

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what were you expecting and then what was the reality

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I moved out of my house to start webcamming.

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had my laptop which I bought from savings, a little

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like Cricket USB internet that you's like not great for streaming,

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as you can imagine, And I had it on an

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empty cardboard box. My house is completely empty, Like I

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had no furniture, I had nothing. So I streamed for

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into money. I don't know the calculation, and like they're

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understand the conversion. So like I didn't think it was real.

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Speaker 1: Anyone could just do this. This seems too good to

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Speaker 2: And my first two week paycheck from Cam's was like

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over seven grand, and I was like, I didn't know

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you could. I could start any business with this. I

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could do anything I wanted. With this, it was like

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finally having a vehicle to anything else I wanted to do.

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was just this eye opening experience of like all of

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these doors just open for me. I can travel, I

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can go on vacation, I could start businesses, I could

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oh wow, I can use this as a springboard to

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start a business and to like build something, rather than

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go get like a car that has like really high

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lease payments. Like those were not your first.

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all those mistakes. So I'm not like a big, like

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crazy designer person or like flashy things. I have like

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a few things I care about and that do bring

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me joy. But like that was like the Chris, I

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didn't know they weren't worthholding taxes when I got paid

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Speaker 2: So my little brain, who's only done like nine to

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five corporate work, it's like, oh, they're worthholding. I don't

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worry about, you know, taxes anything. I wasn't prepared for that,

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so like, yeah, that year everyone got iPads for Christmas

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and the end of the year I got a huge

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tax field that kind of fucked me up for the

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next five years and oh wow, I live and you

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learn real quick, like, oh, I didn't have the financial

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understanding of being an entrepreneur, so there was a lot

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of knowledge gaps that really set me back when I

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first started. And I think a lot of that comes

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into play with some of my companies because I can

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see the knowledge gaps other creators are coming in with,

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and I wish I could have done things differently.

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of what we try to provide. That's

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kind of like one of those things where sometimes your

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biggest mistakes become like your greatest gifts later on because

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you can use those to help other people. Absolutely, yeah,

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like it's never a mistake, it's an experience, right, experience

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in a lesson. Yes, when did you realize that camming

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was something that I mean, was it like right away

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going to go down, this is my future. Or were

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you still thinking that this was going to be like

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a side gig and you were going to do your

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nine to five like at that time, I mean you

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said that you had a nine to five? Did you

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have other goals?

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when I started, so I was in college, I was

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like due to day doing like the data entry in

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the back end, and then I was camming when I

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got off work like six at nine toll like four

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in the morning.

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Speaker 1: And for me, yeah, christ, yeah, I want. I didn't

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know if it would work.

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doing this if this is just raining money? Like I

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know how long it would last. I thought it was

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like a scam. No one had caught on and taken

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Speaker 1: Like I was just and I was young. I was twenties.

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energy drinks, so it was easy. Then I can't do no.

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like I didn't have a lot about opportunities. So like

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time believing in my own so I was really afraid

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of not being able to make rent. Didn't have any things,

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any furniture at first, so like it was the path

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forward to all the other things. And I didn't look

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at it like, oh, I'm going to start a decade

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plus career an adult necessarily, But I didn't mind the work.

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I had nothing against it, no stigma associated with it.

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seduction of everything. But I also really loved business. So

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get to start other business businesses and not go into

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debt and owe anyone or an investor or whatever. So

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way forward, Like I don't care what I end up doing,

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me there without having to be like golden handcuffed to

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some other person, which that really freaked me out.

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Speaker 1: I don't like feeling trapped. So when did the idea

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for sex work CEO come about? And can you explain

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to those who don't actually know what that is? Ye,

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what it is? Because though as much as like I

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know this is going to benefit like a ton of creators,

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a lot of my audience is are people who don't

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work in the adult industry. So some people might be like,

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what are going to be? Like what is this? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I you know, flash forward fourteen or I

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would say, I guess around my ten year mark. Down

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the road, I realized that there's this huge influx of

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creators coming in. We were I don't remember this is

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pre COVID or post, but there's a lot of creators

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coming in. And I would get messages as you do,

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like hey, what camera do you use? Or how do

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Speaker 1: Or what do you edit on?

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Speaker 2: And when I was in cam specifically, I would always

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message cam models and like camera, what's your webcam? Like

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one else in the industry, like the Go Go dancers

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were camming too, but they didn't really talk to me

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about It was like this thing you don't say out loud.

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me what they were up to. So figuring things out

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on your own, it's just such a learning curve. So

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other businesses in the past, not that they were successful,

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everyone's messaging me about this, like why don't I just

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like make a video about it. I could just explain

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what I do, and then when they ask next, I

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can send them a link. I don't think, you know,

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do text message game. And then I got to thinking like, oh,

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you know, this would be really useful resource.

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Speaker 1: Just put it out there.

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Speaker 2: So I started putting out education that's later became sex

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Fix CEO, which is just like free education and resources

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for other adult performers and creators, and it's evolved since

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into a lot of other wonderful things, but in essence,

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the mission is just to provide everyone of the things

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I wish I had when I started, and make sure

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that everyone has the most potential for success.

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Speaker 1: Because if you can get fast.

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Speaker 2: All of those like learning curves, like you don't have

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I would like to do that because ultimately, this industry

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gave me everything I have, and if I can help

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give back to that, that's it feels fulfilling to me.

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do you feel like you are open to give other

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people help and to you know, help them be successful

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rather than like feel like you need to hold everything

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to yourself and like be competitive with the I mean

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obviously you don't feel, you know, like intimidated by the

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success of others.

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Speaker 2: No, well, no, if someone is successful, I want to

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be their front, Like how'd.

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Speaker 1: You do that?

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Speaker 2: I got questions like let's share, let's share contacts like you. No,

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and like life success, I think collaboration is always the

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way forward. But I really realized early that like, no

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two people have the same fan base, no two people,

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Like I'm not everyone's cup of teeth, Like a lot

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of people will prefer one performer over me, and that's okay.

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So there's just everything is abundant, Like I'm a big

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person with that, and like I don't have a scarcity

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of I came from a very scarce upbringing, so I

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know what that looks like. But if you can share things,

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I think things come back to you. I don't have

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any interest in gatekeeping, at least not not to the

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creator market necessarily. But I think it's important that if

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you give, like you you get back in return either

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way you do it. And that's kind of been just

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like a life philosophy going forward. Anything I've held on

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to really tight, it's painful. It's like that sufferings associated

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with attachment. So if the whole thing's really tight, it's

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like it's painful. It'll get rich from youn't get stolen.

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I'll get taken. Someone will do it better, like just inevitable.

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That's how life goes.

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Speaker 1: So do you believe like in the law of attraction?

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Wooba person and I like to shut that down pretty quick.

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But like law of attraction, I do think is real.

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I think mindset is everything. I think if you're like

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gratitude goes a long way, but like you got to

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get up and do the things, Like nothing's gonna you're

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not gonna visualize and it lands in your lap.

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Speaker 1: That's not really how it goes. So you don't you

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don't think that you can just make a vision board

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and then you can just play back on your couch

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and things will come to you. No, no, no, not

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at all.

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Speaker 2: You have to go out and do things and I'll

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lie like take opportunities and take chances and risks and

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stuff that align you with those outcomes, because yeah, sitting

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at home, that's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: How works. What do you think is the most misunderstood

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thing about what you do?

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Speaker 2: I think it's really misunderstood that like there's no brains

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behind the operation, especially if a creator is really successful

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or doing it at scale like any business, and I

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would even argue content creation based businesses there's so much

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harder to scale because it's based on one person's image, likeness,

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what they say what they do, how much content they

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can film. There's only twenty four hours in a day.

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So I think that the people will look at us

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as creators and assume that, like, what we're doing is

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easy and so simple, anyone could do it. But to

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do it and do it well, you're running a massive operation.

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I know you know what that's like. And then also

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like it's harder to build this business than most of

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their businesses, Like I can't go out and run Facebook ads,

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I can't go out and run Google ads. And traditional

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business whether that's like brick and mortar or digital, they

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can do those things. They have those paths forward, and

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so I don't just have to be a good marketer,

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but I have to be like an excellent marketer that

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uses every loophole available to me and can like find

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new innovative ways. And that's why even just sex workers

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in general, we're very innovative as you know an industry

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and people, just because we have to be. So I

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think that that's misunderstood is that what we do is easy,

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especially the people that do it well, like, oh, she's

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got a million followers or whatever must be so easy,

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which I don't have a million followers. But it's not

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that easy. You have to be extremely clever and extremely

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adaptive to whatever you're doing. So I think that's really

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really misunderstood.

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm always like hesitant to hire anybody that

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doesn't work in the adult industry. You know, like you

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can hire somebody like some hot shot that works in marketing, yes,

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in the mainstream industry, but they'll come in and like

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all of their suggestions like don't work, we can't do

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this happens like all the time. They'll be like, oh,

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Facebook ads, Google ads, like so many things, like we

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can't do those things, yes, you know. And I mean

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the way that we get deplatformed all the time on

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so many different social media platforms and not being told

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why yeah, and having to guess like what is acceptable

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what's unacceptable? I mean ultimately like these platforms would just

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like us to not exist, right, So trying to figure

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out like what what can we show, what can we

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promote without breaking community guidelines because overall like we are

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like yeah, our existences.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's like it's so complicated and it is

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just like weaving through you know what I mean, And yeah,

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it's it's uh, it is really tough and it's maddening.

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Speaker 2: And it's constantly changing, like what the terms of service

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on a platform update like every three weeks and it's

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not like the email you can tell you. It was like,

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oh I got a new flag for a thing that

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didn't apply a year ago, and like, yeah, it's it's

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hard because it's cat and mouse constantly.

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Speaker 1: I think that actually recently happened with Youtubo been like

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try on hooles. Yes, trendholes are not with thinks fast

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or less. Yeah. Yeah. I was talking to Brittany Amber

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and she had a whole channel of try on holes

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and it had like millions of followers and just gone,

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just gone, you know, no warning, no like hey, we're

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you know, we've decided that this is against community guidelines.

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Maybe you should change the changes, big changes, like maybe

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you change the content. It's gone overnight. Your channel so terrifying. Yeah,

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please don't delete me for saying that. I was going

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to say. Even I've seen podcasts go down. I get

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so nervous.

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Speaker 2: Just our podcast is very like sex work or yeah,

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and we see that kind of language and it's like

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now with AI too, they can just figure out what

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you're saying just with an AI programming and view it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know, it's you know, trying to do

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that dance. Right. What do you think is the biggest

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mistake that you made early on in your career.

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Speaker 2: Well, definitely not understanding that I was ten ninety nine

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at first, and like the tax situation, that was a

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huge setback, a huge learning curve, and it took me

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years to like really sort it out and come back

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from it. And then I would say the other thing

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was just consistency, Like when I first like I was

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camming early on and made a bunch of money, and

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then I wouldn't long on for like a week because

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I'm like, oh I can, I've got enough in the bank,

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Like oh cool. But it's that consistency, Like a week

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in webcam time is like three months. Like they go

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on every day and they spend money on someone else,

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so like you're just they're not they're collecting it. And

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so that was a mistake too. I think that early

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days webcam really taught me how to be consistent and

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how I would have to pay for it otherwise and

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rebuild if I didn't stay consistent. So yeah, I think

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that those two things the tax situation, realizing I'm a

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true entrepreneur with the real business and I'm ten nighty

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nine and I've got to sort it out. And then consistency,

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because without consistency, nothing else happens.

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Speaker 1: So for the taxes, because there are a lot of

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young girls that are coming into this industry and don't

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know anything about taxes. And it's funny because you mentioned,

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you know, earlier, coming out of school and not having

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financial knowledge. And this is actually one of the things

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that infuriates me about our educational system is that, like

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we teach all of this useless stuff, yes, and we

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don't teach financial responsibility or any of that, and like

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it makes me crazy, like home X yeah, like get fucked.

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Like we've all got meal subscription services, yeah you know

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what I mean, like balancing checkbooks, like what taxes mean,

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like all of these things and so so pretend that

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we've got someone watching who wants to start, you know,

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wants to start camping or something like that. Let's get

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on strip chat dot com and they're like, what what

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is it? Ten ninety nine? Like people don't even know

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what that is. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So when you're working for yourself and you would be

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a contract, independ a contractor So the ten ninety nine

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is just the government form that they're going to issue

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you that tells you what you owe the government afterwards.

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So this is not financial advice. I'm definitely not a

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bookkeeper account it. But the easiest guidelines is to take

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twenty or if you're earning a lot, take thirty percent

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of your earnings and stuff rate it out for savings,

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because the government's gonna come take that from you, so

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make sure you have it. And then once you can

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like talk to a proper account they're going to analyze

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like your size of your business, the things that you do,

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the expenses you have, the situation you've kind of built

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for yourself, and they're gonna be able to tell you like,

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are you, you know, should you set up an LC

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And that's usually the easiest and first way forward, or

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if you've made so much money, you might have other

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benefits of being like anes corporacy, corporate whatever. So those

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are the things, like those are the steps. First, save

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twenty thirty percent, don't touch it. That money's not yours,

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and like you have to know that early on or

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else you'll pay for them for the next you know,

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five to eight years potentially, and then other than that

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is like start I guess not interviewing necessarily, but like

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finding people for your team that are going to assist you.

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You're going to need a bookkeeper and accountant. You're going

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to need people that will help you. If you can't

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edit content yourself, you're going to look for at itors.

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Like as you grow in scale and money starts coming in,

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you need to like remember to separate it out and

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prepare to put in the right places because at the

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end of the day, like those things are gonna really

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set you back if you don't take them seriously, really

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really badly.

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Speaker 1: So if you you're a content creator, you started making

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like a pretty you know, decent amount of money, you're

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thinking about growing getting a team, Like you have some

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money to like start hiring people. Probably the first person

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you should get is probably a bookkeeper.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, first hire absolutely, Okay, because they're also going

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to be able to be like, hey, you can't afford

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anyone else, Like it looks like you can't afford an editor,

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you can't afford a scheduler a VA.

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Speaker 1: Like That's how you're going to know.

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Speaker 2: Because the other thing, like people overlook is that when

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you're in content creation, you know, maybe not just webcamping,

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maybe do of or maybe do all these other platforms.

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You're going to have money coming in from like seventeen

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different places, and it's never going to be the same amount.

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So like to track that and understand where it's coming

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and going. That's actually a really hard fee. And that's

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another thing that the average business isn't really dealing with.

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Speaker 1: The money comes in.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's not predictable, maybe sale theyre different months a month,

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but it's coming in from one place. They know what

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it's from. When you're a creator and you're on all

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these platforms and maybe you're really clever and you run

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an affiliate you know, deal on the side and you're

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getting paid off clicks, off links and all of that. Okay,

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now your income looks crazy because you have all of

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these and by the way, none of the platform names

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are what the bank is statement. The business name is

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very different, very obscure, LIKEABC dot com. And so you're

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going to have to put these pieces together and really

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account It is going to help you sort that out

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early on. It's so important. It's the first step.

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Speaker 1: What part of this industry do you think costs the

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most emotionally, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean social media costs the most emotionally. So there's this thing.

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I've actually thought about this a lot lately. There is

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the reality that if you're an adult creator performer, you

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are selling essentially desire at scale. So you are broad

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pasting to however many followers you have, and you are

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selling your image or access to you, whatever it might be.

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And there is a cost associated with that in terms

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of you're making tiktoks, you're posting pictures, you're doing Instagram story,

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whatever it is, across all these social platforms top of

477
00:21:00,039 --> 00:21:02,720
funnel to bring followers and customers to whatever you're selling.

478
00:21:03,279 --> 00:21:06,559
So the cost of that is that you're performing desire.

479
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,400
And so I think about this a lot, because you

480
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,599
have to perform desire online to make sales and monetize

481
00:21:12,599 --> 00:21:15,640
your audience. But you get in that habit of performing

482
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,720
desire in your explicit content, in your social content, in

483
00:21:18,759 --> 00:21:21,519
a lot of places in your business. And I'll speak

484
00:21:21,519 --> 00:21:25,640
for myself personally, I think that the act of performing

485
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,680
desire can and being in that like loophole and the

486
00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:32,440
hamster wheel of constantly putting out new content, you can

487
00:21:32,759 --> 00:21:37,880
lose authenticity to just be like in true desire. Like

488
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,640
I've found that to be actually kind of challenging. So

489
00:21:40,759 --> 00:21:43,720
like I also have ADHD personally, so like I tend

490
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:47,039
to mask really well and like put on the projection

491
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,039
I think people want to see from me, and it's

492
00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:51,640
something I'm really trying hard to undo. So like getting

493
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,480
back to who I am authentically and not being performative,

494
00:21:54,839 --> 00:21:57,279
that's been a real challenge because I have to perform

495
00:21:57,279 --> 00:21:58,759
for my job. I have to put things out, I

496
00:21:58,759 --> 00:22:01,799
have to make content. So that's been a challenge that

497
00:22:02,039 --> 00:22:05,240
I wasn't prepared for or expected, I would say, And

498
00:22:05,279 --> 00:22:07,119
as things grow bigger, it just gets harder because then

499
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:08,000
you got to keep performing.

500
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's tough. Yeah, that makes sense for those who

501
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,240
It's funny because like you know, now, obviously I started

502
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,759
a marketing agency. I've spent a lot of time in

503
00:22:17,839 --> 00:22:20,559
marketing in the last couple of years through like the

504
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,359
various startups that I've gone through a marketing funnel I'd

505
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,400
actually never heard of Oh really, no, not for a

506
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,599
few years ago because I was in production. Yeah, okay,

507
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,559
so I never thought about like what really happened afterwards. Yeah,

508
00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:35,000
so just for people, because I really want to like

509
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,920
cater to people who are watching this who are really

510
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,680
like not educated in this area. Can you explain like

511
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:41,680
what a marketing funnel is.

512
00:22:41,759 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so marketing funnel if you like picture a real funnel,

513
00:22:44,799 --> 00:22:48,839
you know, like that V kind of shape. Everything comes

514
00:22:48,839 --> 00:22:52,680
into your funnel and comes out through the smaller bottom side.

515
00:22:52,839 --> 00:22:55,279
So and I'll relate this, I guess to creators and

516
00:22:55,279 --> 00:22:58,079
performers specifically. So for me, a marketing funnel is going

517
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,200
to look like, top of funnel is social media. How

518
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,839
I catch all the customers, I find them, I aggregate fans.

519
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,720
So this is top of funnel is always social media.

520
00:23:07,079 --> 00:23:09,279
And then you have to really think through your customer's

521
00:23:09,319 --> 00:23:11,920
journey of how they see the first time, how they

522
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,599
end up wherever you're trying to get them, which is

523
00:23:13,599 --> 00:23:16,720
the bottom of the funnel. So for me, getting a

524
00:23:16,759 --> 00:23:19,400
customer's top of funnel social media, then they might go

525
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,240
to my profile and hopefully they click follow. If they don't,

526
00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:24,759
I should be thinking about the content I put on

527
00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:27,599
social that will encourage them or get them to take

528
00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:30,200
that conversion and click follow on my profile. So that's

529
00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:33,039
working the way down the funnel. Then once they're a follower,

530
00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:34,599
I want to think about what kind of content I

531
00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:36,720
could put on social that's going to get them to

532
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,720
click that link in bio, whether it's the story post

533
00:23:38,839 --> 00:23:39,559
or real whatever.

534
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,279
Speaker 1: So that's further down the funnel.

535
00:23:41,319 --> 00:23:43,319
Speaker 2: And once they click the link of bio, what kind

536
00:23:43,319 --> 00:23:46,240
of bio is written on my of that's going to

537
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,599
entice them to convert and click the subscribe button? And

538
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,119
once they're through there, what kind of feed post on

539
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,000
my of wall is going to get them to go

540
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,759
into my DM so I can monetize them in a

541
00:23:54,759 --> 00:23:56,960
lot BPVDM. And then you get to the bottom of

542
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,640
the funnel, which is usually like selling a custom or

543
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:00,559
a video whatever.

544
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,319
Speaker 1: So that's kind of the funnel.

545
00:24:02,319 --> 00:24:04,279
Speaker 2: It's like where do they first see you and what

546
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,720
stuff that does the customer have to take in the

547
00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:09,240
journey they have to follow to get wherever they want

548
00:24:09,279 --> 00:24:10,680
to go at the bottom or where you want to

549
00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:13,519
convert them. Essentially, that's kind of how I be a

550
00:24:13,519 --> 00:24:16,039
marketing funnel a least for being a performer and creator.

551
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,759
Speaker 1: And then in terms of social media, what do you

552
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:23,960
find is your most successful platform and how do you

553
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,279
track each one? Like do you have a different link

554
00:24:27,319 --> 00:24:30,720
and bio for each platform, and like, what do you

555
00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:34,319
do for something like TikTok because you can't put at

556
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,400
least I know, I can't put a link and bio

557
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,000
on there, yeah, because they'll oh yeah yeah.

558
00:24:40,039 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 2: I had a lot of trouble with keeping less sex

559
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:46,359
Org CEO TikTok a life. So for links, Olf is

560
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:47,839
simpler because they have a link tracking system.

561
00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:49,519
Speaker 1: You can build out custom links. Yeah.

562
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,519
Speaker 2: So I usually and what I have been doing is

563
00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:55,240
every end of the month, I'll produce a new custom link,

564
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,240
A different custom link goes up on Twitter, a different

565
00:24:57,279 --> 00:24:59,960
custom link goes in my link bio Lander for instan

566
00:25:00,519 --> 00:25:02,519
because you have to add that step of removal there.

567
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,680
A different link in bio will go up on Blue Sky,

568
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,400
different link and bio will go up on not TikTok.

569
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,799
But what I do is TikTok I convert to Telegram.

570
00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:13,480
Telegram has a bot that will send my link or

571
00:25:13,559 --> 00:25:15,279
my tracking link on Telegram.

572
00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: Okay, So you can go to TikTok to Telegram Okay, Okay,

573
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,400
because I have I known today as of this taping,

574
00:25:23,559 --> 00:25:27,039
you can do that because I do have a Telegram channel,

575
00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:29,880
and that's actually done pretty well for me. I discovered

576
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,119
a whole fucking new world through Telegram. I like, I

577
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,519
use Telegram for everything.

578
00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: I even use it as a free not saying everyone

579
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,799
should do this, but I don't like paying for services.

580
00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:41,640
I'm a software slut, so I'll collect subscriptions that I'm

581
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,240
really trying to cut back. So I even use Telegram,

582
00:25:44,279 --> 00:25:46,480
like make a private Telegram channel. I stroll my content

583
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,599
in there, so I'll upload my video. I'll like label

584
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,359
what it's called, what's in it whatever. Telegram is super searchable,

585
00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:54,720
and I have a channel just all my content, so

586
00:25:54,759 --> 00:25:58,119
I can say, JOI video blue laundry brings me up

587
00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,559
to that video and I can just red download it

588
00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:02,079
and send it to fan. So it's like cloud based

589
00:26:02,079 --> 00:26:04,599
storage that's limitless, and I've been using it like that.

590
00:26:04,839 --> 00:26:06,799
I use it for everything. I've got sort of like

591
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,519
drop off, so many strange use cases for it. I

592
00:26:09,559 --> 00:26:11,680
don't lose anything. So that's like my cloud backup compared

593
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,319
to my hard drive backup. I do everything out there. Wow,

594
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,160
yeahs left for Telegram.

595
00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 1: Gems. Yeah No. I started using Telegram. I started selling

596
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,519
like O F promo Yeah yeah. Which there's a whole

597
00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:28,839
other world of that which I didn't know existed.

598
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 2: Cross selling to other performers are people that want traffic. Yeah,

599
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,759
that's a whole nother market, absolutely, and you got to

600
00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:36,680
be careful of that too, like a lot of creators.

601
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,559
I mean, you can doctor anything these days, So I

602
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,839
always worry like creators, make sure someone do size, makes

603
00:26:40,839 --> 00:26:43,960
sure like size following size subscribers or size audience. Yeah,

604
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,839
and then also just make sure that there's similarities, like

605
00:26:47,839 --> 00:26:50,160
you're going to attract a crossover audience, so like I

606
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,720
try to do a lot of problem with redheads or

607
00:26:51,759 --> 00:26:54,519
like you know, like girl next door looks and things,

608
00:26:54,559 --> 00:26:56,200
just so that it converts well. Otherwise you're just kind

609
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:57,279
of like throwing money at the wall.

610
00:26:57,559 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: I've only bought promo a couple of times, and almost

611
00:27:01,519 --> 00:27:05,640
every time it's been not worth it. Yeah, so people

612
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,079
buy a lot of promo for me and they rebuy yeah,

613
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,200
like consistently, so I guess it does well.

614
00:27:12,279 --> 00:27:14,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I always tell creators well, and they don't

615
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,359
always processes the way maybe I do from a marketing

616
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,119
background like yourself. Well, but like think of shout outs

617
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,599
or like promo buying as Google ad buying, Like you

618
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,599
have to test the media that you have to test

619
00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:28,880
the caption. So like every time I purchase promo, I

620
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,799
of course I have a spreadsheet for it where it's like,

621
00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:32,079
this is the photo I use, this is the caption

622
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,200
I use, this is the tracking link where I could

623
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,920
see how it performed. And sometimes just a little tweak

624
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,599
of a different picture or a different caption or different

625
00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:42,480
called action in the promo will change the way converts completely.

626
00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:45,160
But that's like a media buying skill set. So that's

627
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,359
just another skill you have to go develop as an

628
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,559
adult performer or hire for. Because media buying there's a

629
00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:53,359
whole department for that for huge businesses, and that's just

630
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:54,599
another thing you got to figure out.

631
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 1: On your own.

632
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,599
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's tough and it's exhausting even to talk about.

633
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's just like I you know, I

634
00:28:02,279 --> 00:28:07,480
have I've recently like accumulated like a pretty large team

635
00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:10,799
of people working for me, and it's still like not enough. Yeah,

636
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:16,480
you know, yeah, and it's god, I mean okay, so yeah,

637
00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:20,240
so how do you sorry? I feel like, Okay, before

638
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,400
we move to the next thing, I wanted to go

639
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,400
back to where we were because, so, what is the

640
00:28:24,759 --> 00:28:26,759
social media platform that works for you the best? Yeah?

641
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 2: So for me, I convert best on Twitter, so I

642
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,160
have all the tracking links so I could judge my conversion.

643
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:35,319
Speaker 1: So do you really change your tracking links every single month? Yeah?

644
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:35,839
Why is that?

645
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,039
Speaker 2: Because on a month to month basis, I want to

646
00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:40,119
know which platform converts the most, so I know what

647
00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:43,279
platform to create more social content for top of funnel,

648
00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:45,839
because like, why I spend eighty percent of my time

649
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,720
creating Instagram reels if I know Twitter converts better and

650
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,519
I should just do short form video on Twitter. So

651
00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:54,319
it's however performs on a month to month or even

652
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,759
ninety d basis dictates how I will go out and

653
00:28:57,799 --> 00:29:01,240
create promo or social content or like ads for my business.

654
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,759
Speaker 1: So you basically like follow the trends.

655
00:29:02,839 --> 00:29:06,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do everything evidence based, and that's the biggest mistake.

656
00:29:06,319 --> 00:29:08,160
A lot of creators go out there making is like

657
00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:10,880
either something works once and they're married to the idea.

658
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,720
I've been this person, so I'm talking to me here.

659
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,720
You get married to the idea, you do a bunch

660
00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:16,640
more of it for the next three five years of

661
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,160
your business, and it stopped working after that first month

662
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,640
because everyone caught on and did it or whatever, like

663
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,519
share for shares on stories like that was great in

664
00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:26,960
the early days. It doesn't work anymore. So I let

665
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:29,599
data drive all of my decisions. So if something stops

666
00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:32,960
executing or producing, like I'm never going to do it again,

667
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:36,119
like done with it. So I yeah, I run in

668
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,400
like sixty to ninety days on any kind of thing

669
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,920
I'm trying or test I'm doing. If it's not performing,

670
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,279
back to drawing board, go back to something that does perform,

671
00:29:43,319 --> 00:29:45,079
double down, or just try something new.

672
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,359
Speaker 1: Yeah forever. How do you find new things to do?

673
00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: Just my mind usually, or I'll see someone else trying something,

674
00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:55,680
like when what's the trend that I saw?

675
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,039
Speaker 1: People? You're just like constantly researching, right, and your mind's

676
00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:00,720
just like constantly going, I know, oh, this is something

677
00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:01,400
I'm looking for.

678
00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:04,119
Speaker 2: So I just see it like out there in the wild,

679
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,960
like in nature, like naturally. I was just like, oh,

680
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,000
I saw that this created this. I wonder why. Like

681
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,039
I'm trying to think of an example, like usually it's

682
00:30:12,079 --> 00:30:13,559
like a trending kind of reel or something that's an

683
00:30:13,599 --> 00:30:15,640
easy one to pick up on. But when I saw

684
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,799
people driving this is a great example. When I saw

685
00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:21,440
people driving their fans to telegram groups, I was like, well,

686
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:22,200
why are we doing that?

687
00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: Why? Why were we doing that?

688
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,279
Speaker 2: And then I realized people, some big creators are actually

689
00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:29,279
selling content on Telegram itself using Telegram Stars, which is

690
00:30:29,319 --> 00:30:32,640
like a crypto situation on Telegram, and but you can

691
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,799
send content literally locked for stars, and I was like, well.

692
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: That's interesting. You just cut out an entire platform to

693
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:38,680
sell a built content.

694
00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:40,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe we shouldn't broadcast that to the world, but

695
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:43,680
it's that people can do. So like when I see

696
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,480
someone doing something usual, yeah, okay, so then I get

697
00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:47,920
my money and I actually don't know where it when.

698
00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:50,039
Oh yeah, I've got to figure out my Telegram ale myself.

699
00:30:50,079 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: So that's kind of funny, said that.

700
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: Yeah maybe, yeah, pursued with caution, but yeah. So I'll

701
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,359
see someone do something out there in nature as I'm

702
00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:03,799
watching stories or scrolling or whatever consuming content, and when

703
00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:05,640
I see it, I'm like, okay, no to self, I

704
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:06,400
got to figure it out.

705
00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:07,079
Speaker 1: What are they doing?

706
00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:09,519
Speaker 2: Why are they doing There's a reason, like especially when

707
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:11,519
I see a big known creator doing something, because they

708
00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:14,119
usually have teams and management or whatever, so they have

709
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,400
data to support why they do what they do. So

710
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,200
that's an easy one to be like, oh, they're doing that,

711
00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:19,200
let me look into.

712
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: That per stage. Yeah, of course, have you ever tried

713
00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:23,880
hiring like management?

714
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,119
Speaker 2: And then yeah, I've tried hiring agencies and management. I

715
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,160
love to test them and I've also consulted for a

716
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,880
lot of them now through the sex or CEO. And

717
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,839
I've also built my own internal team that would do

718
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:39,519
essentially what an agency does, and I've gotten rid of that.

719
00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:41,200
So I've done all sides just because I like to

720
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:44,359
understand what goes on. I also know that that is

721
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,920
a hard business model to be an agency, and there's

722
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,240
not a lot of margin actually in it, even though

723
00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:51,880
you know, people complain about agencies, which there are very

724
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,799
few good ones, so I get it. But yeah, I've

725
00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:57,039
done that all So I've done it, tested it, and

726
00:31:57,119 --> 00:31:58,920
it shows me what works and what does that.

727
00:31:58,839 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: You No, you're right. I used to like, you know,

728
00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:02,920
I would hear, you know, people say like, oh my god,

729
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,720
this agency takes this percentage. And I did an agency

730
00:32:05,759 --> 00:32:07,519
for a while and when I was I was like, oh,

731
00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:10,119
this is this is actually very hard to make money. Yeah,

732
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,799
and it's expensive. Yes, it's a lot more expensive than

733
00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:14,119
I thought.

734
00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:16,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of overhead for that business model.

735
00:32:16,319 --> 00:32:17,680
I would never want to do it because actually I

736
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,039
get approached a lot with our you know, sex Rixcio

737
00:32:20,079 --> 00:32:21,720
community of creators has grown so big.

738
00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:23,119
Speaker 1: Now like why don't you become.

739
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: An agency and you can do that for you know,

740
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,960
all the ins and outs. I'm like, I want nothing

741
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,119
to do with that business model, and I do ever

742
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,160
want creators to have any reason to come back and

743
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,519
be like, why are you taking it? I don't want

744
00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:34,400
anything to do with that. All of my businesses for

745
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:35,680
creators make creators more money.

746
00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: That's it. Like, that's that's the business. I'm not the rest.

747
00:32:38,519 --> 00:32:41,640
So yeah, yeah, no, I've I've I've been down that road. Yeah,

748
00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:43,599
but it's so good. I think it's so good to try.

749
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,160
I'm I'm definitely a big believer and like throw everything

750
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,400
at a wall and see sticks. Absolutely test the track.

751
00:32:48,519 --> 00:32:50,920
This this podcast was a throw the thing at the

752
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,000
wall and see what sticks? Amazing, you know what I mean.

753
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,599
Like I was like, I didn't I had no idea,

754
00:32:57,039 --> 00:32:58,559
and it ended up being the best decision I ever

755
00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:01,880
made for like a multitude reason. Yeah, but you know

756
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,839
I wouldn't have done that if, like, you know, I

757
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,359
didn't get fired from Playboy.

758
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: So good and I tell the creators that too, and

759
00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:12,119
like everything you do, because it'll come in questions like

760
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:12,799
well should I do this?

761
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,319
Speaker 1: And like did you test it? Did you hack it?

762
00:33:14,599 --> 00:33:15,559
Like how to perform?

763
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,799
Speaker 2: Like you need to use the data like I would

764
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:20,759
be guessing, I'd be speculating on what would work for you.

765
00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: You're totally different than me.

766
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,759
Speaker 2: We have totally different We do different kinds of sex

767
00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:26,160
with different kinds of content, Like you need to test

768
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,240
and track. That's like the baseline of everything I do.

769
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,079
Speaker 1: I would say that you're pretty successful at this point,

770
00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:33,680
I hope. So yeah, I mean I'm just getting started,

771
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,920
but yeah, you know, I feel like it's that double

772
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:38,880
edged sword, right, And I see this with so many

773
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,119
successful people that are perfectionists, which I'm pretty sure you are,

774
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:47,039
because almost everybody at your stage in your life is

775
00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:51,000
that it's like you get to this stage because you're

776
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:55,039
a perfectionist, but because you're a perfectionist, you're never actually

777
00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:58,079
really happy with where you're at because you always see

778
00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:02,039
how you can do better. And it's like this weird thing.

779
00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:04,920
I was speaking to a friend of mine, and it's like,

780
00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:08,039
you know, twenty years ago, if I could see where

781
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:11,039
I am now I would be like, oh I would

782
00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:14,480
have arrived, yeah, right, made it, I've made it perfect,

783
00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:17,239
Like nothing could be better. This is where I want

784
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,559
to be, and I am in that place and I'm like,

785
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:21,800
I got to do this, I got to do this,

786
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,599
I got to start this, like never reflect it never,

787
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:31,519
and it's so hard to pull back and remind yourself

788
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:34,280
of like how far you've come and what you've achieved.

789
00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:36,079
So what does success look like for you?

790
00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 2: So to your point, I agree, like the goalpost is

791
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,320
always moving. Like where I am now would have blown,

792
00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:43,559
you know, three years ago, me out of the water

793
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:46,440
and I would be so happy. But where I am now,

794
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,039
I was like, this is not this is not it.

795
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:49,079
Speaker 1: I could do so much better.

796
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 2: So I have a real challenge with like feeling like

797
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,679
I left potential on the table because like every day

798
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:55,719
I get up, I'm like, I feel like this was

799
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,679
not one hundred percent of my potential day. And that's

800
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,800
such like a mind fuck too. But I define success

801
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,320
right now as doing less, So I am a perfectionist.

802
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,719
I'm quite controlling over my business stuff. Real life, I'm

803
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,800
actually more and more impulsive and like free, expirited, But

804
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,400
business I have a tight grip on.

805
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,159
Speaker 1: I'm finding like that. Like I go to dinner with

806
00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:18,039
my husband and I'm like, he's going to decide what

807
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:20,000
I Yeah, I don't want no decisions. I don't want

808
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,400
look at the menu he's going to pick. I don't care. Yeah,

809
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:24,599
make it off for me. It's just point me in

810
00:35:24,639 --> 00:35:26,559
the right direction. Totally get that.

811
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,119
Speaker 2: But so now I think doing less is because I

812
00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:31,880
have gotten to such a point where I realize the

813
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,599
more controlling and perfectional, like perfectionist y I am, the

814
00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:37,320
less I can achieve because you have to dealt your

815
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,000
one person. So now I'm really trying to gamify and

816
00:35:41,039 --> 00:35:43,519
like fall in love with the process of letting go

817
00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:46,159
of things because that's how I can scale the point

818
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:47,920
of matt Like what got you from A to B

819
00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:50,320
won't get you from B two C. And I've realized

820
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,760
that because I've been stuck at fucking B for years.

821
00:35:53,199 --> 00:35:55,480
I'm like, Okay, so this is not working. We have

822
00:35:55,519 --> 00:35:57,679
the data to support this is not working.

823
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,599
Speaker 1: What am I doing wrong? Reevaluate it?

824
00:35:59,639 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: And now I'm really in a state of like I'm

825
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,159
going to say no to more things. I'm going to

826
00:36:03,199 --> 00:36:04,960
do a lot less, and I'm going to kind of

827
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,320
surrender and delegate. Because if even when a person on

828
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,920
my team can't do it the way I would want

829
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,880
it to done, necessarily do it to like one hundred

830
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,280
percent of what I would expect of myself, they can

831
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,239
do it to eighty five and that's enough. Like that's

832
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,280
good enough. So yeah, I'm learning to like go and

833
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,599
do less. That's kind of what success means to me

834
00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:25,159
right now. Is the ability to not necessarily wake up

835
00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:27,639
with an alarm. It's the ability to like say yes

836
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,280
to social things that I want to do on a whim.

837
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:33,480
It's the ability to like get sick and not to

838
00:36:33,519 --> 00:36:36,320
report to anyone and take time all. It's also ability

839
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,760
I live like almost like in the middle of nowhere

840
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,880
in the country and I don't have like the hustle

841
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,599
and bustle that I have to sit in traffic go

842
00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:44,960
to work like. That's what success is to me now.

843
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,199
And I'm building my dream house, which is like a

844
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,559
real cornerstone of achievement for me because when I was younger,

845
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,840
we got our house work closed on and we didn't

846
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:54,559
have anywhere to live.

847
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,599
Speaker 1: So I've always wanted.

848
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 2: A house and a property where it's like it's mine,

849
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,719
I own it, I've got land. Anyone needs anything in

850
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,360
the family, they have somewhere to go. So the fact

851
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,239
that we're almost in with the dream house and I've

852
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,679
achieved that like giant check mark, that is really a

853
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,719
huge one. So like I can take care of anyone

854
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,960
if they need it, if we've got them, like and

855
00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:14,239
that's that's everything.

856
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,519
Speaker 1: Do you think that the struggles that you had financially

857
00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:19,880
when you were younger or a huge like dry behind, Yeah,

858
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:20,719
oh for sure.

859
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: Yeah and I yeah, I I find that I'm not

860
00:37:26,679 --> 00:37:31,719
motivated often by like successful things, Like I'm a car enthusiast,

861
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,440
so like I love in a nice car, but like

862
00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:37,360
super designer bags, I have like one, like just because

863
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,320
it's like it was like, Okay, I did that, like cool,

864
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,800
I don't love it doesn't make or break my identity,

865
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,440
Like it's not I could have gone without, and I

866
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,800
didn't know that until I did it. But for me,

867
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,239
what really drives me is like I don't want to

868
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,599
ever be there again, Like I don't ever want to

869
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:54,719
have to like put five dollars of gas in my

870
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,159
car because that's all I have. Like I was working

871
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:01,000
three three job, two jobs through out high school while

872
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,159
going to high school. So like from the time I

873
00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:07,280
could work, I was working, and I don't want to

874
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,760
be in that position again. So like I think I'm

875
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,000
not necessarily motivated by like super inspired things, but I'm

876
00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:16,880
really motivated by like I'm not going back. And I

877
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,760
don't also want people from where I came from to

878
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,960
have the ability to say that I failed. That's a

879
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:28,239
huge one because like, of course I was a scandal

880
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,280
in my town because you're an adult creator, adult performer

881
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,599
or whatever. So for me to have gone out and

882
00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:35,920
failed and given them the satisfaction of like, yeah, I'm

883
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,119
driven probably by like negative things I would say, like yeah,

884
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:39,800
I love.

885
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:43,599
Speaker 1: A good like go fuck yourself again. Well, I mean,

886
00:38:43,679 --> 00:38:45,880
you know, becoming an adult creator, you have to wear

887
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,239
that like rebel. Well yeah, and you have to wear that,

888
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,519
like you know, cloak of stigma. Yeah, for the rest

889
00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:56,280
of your life. So one would hope that you will

890
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,840
also be able to wear the man slife success along

891
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,400
with it. Yeah, Yeah, because yeah, because otherwise it's just.

892
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that an interesting thing too, that this is

893
00:39:06,639 --> 00:39:08,960
like the one career you can go into and not

894
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,079
ever be out of, even if you stop, because like

895
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:13,599
if you're a teacher, you're a teacher, then you're not

896
00:39:13,639 --> 00:39:15,400
a teacher. If you're a nurse, you're a nurse, then

897
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,280
you're not a nurse. Yeah, but you're an adult industry anything,

898
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,719
you're always a porn star like forever.

899
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it tires me. It's like one of my biggest

900
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,199
pet peeves that I complain about this all the time.

901
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:27,880
You can go and you can do like one porn

902
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,760
scene and decide that it's not for you, and that

903
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,159
will follow you for the rest of your life. Yeah,

904
00:39:32,199 --> 00:39:34,920
you know. And and it's and look like this industry

905
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,679
is not for everybody. I say, it's all the time.

906
00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:40,880
And sometimes people make a mistake when they come in

907
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,679
and they and they choose this as as their path yea.

908
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,320
And I you know, don't wish that upon anyone, Like, yeah,

909
00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:51,239
I get it if this isn't for you, Yeah, totally.

910
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,639
Speaker 2: And I also think too, like a lot of people

911
00:39:53,679 --> 00:39:56,639
come in not realizing they're signing up to be an entrepreneur.

912
00:39:57,519 --> 00:40:00,199
And like even if you're shooting mainstream porn, like you're

913
00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:02,559
still signing up to be an entrepreneur. And that past

914
00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:05,400
is not for everyone, Like it's not a it's not

915
00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:10,000
an easy or fun, and it's also not rewarding until

916
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,920
you've made it. So like you're looking at like a

917
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,679
decade of this is going to suck, and then you're

918
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:17,719
gonna be like I did it. So I think that

919
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,519
people will lose sight of that, like you're signing up

920
00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:21,159
to be an entrepreneur, and also no one's going to

921
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:22,480
respect you for it. You're not going to be a

922
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,840
part of the cool entrepreneur culture at all. You're going

923
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,760
to be Oh, it was easy. It was handed to her,

924
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,880
she got naked, she slept with someone, all the things like, well, okay.

925
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: And then you have to win despite it. Yeah, that's

926
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,440
really hard. What would you say to someone who's considering

927
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,800
getting into the adult industry? What would the thing? What

928
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,880
are the things that they should really think about before

929
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:41,360
they get in.

930
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,559
Speaker 2: The first thing I would say is do you want

931
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:46,199
to be an entrepreneur? Because I would like to make

932
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,280
that very clear because so much gets lost when we

933
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,719
say like followers, fans, subscribers, You're talking about a customer

934
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,159
that buys a digital product from you, and you are

935
00:40:56,199 --> 00:40:58,960
a business. So I like to like use that language,

936
00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:01,920
especially in our community, like kind of reframe that for people.

937
00:41:02,159 --> 00:41:04,119
So I think that would be the first conversation. Obviously,

938
00:41:04,119 --> 00:41:06,159
the conversation that the Internet is forever. That's that's a

939
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,280
huge one. Can't be half pregnant. You're not gonna have

940
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:08,760
to porn.

941
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: We got to realize that.

942
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: And then I think the other part, and maybe this

943
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,679
is more of a mindset aspect, but like, because you

944
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,519
are an entrepreneur and because you're going to be in

945
00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:23,039
business for yourself, everything is your fault. And I kind

946
00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:26,239
of think, like this is maybe a controversial take for people,

947
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,000
because I understand everyone has their own cards that they're

948
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,440
dealt and their own like obstacles they're going to face,

949
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,559
whether that's like being oppressed, race, gender, all of the things.

950
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,159
Speaker 1: But you have to win despite it.

951
00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:41,679
Speaker 2: And I know it's easy for me to say, is

952
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,760
like white, conventionally attractive, all the things, but like everyone

953
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,039
has the shit, Like everyone has the cards, and you

954
00:41:48,119 --> 00:41:51,159
have to win despite whatever is decked against you because

955
00:41:51,159 --> 00:41:53,599
it's not going to change. That's like that's the deck

956
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,039
the world gave you. You got to learn to play

957
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:59,960
the cards that you dealt. And when so, I think, no,

958
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,000
knowing that it's your responsibility to take your circumstances and

959
00:42:03,159 --> 00:42:05,400
make something of it and change it, rather than be

960
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:07,840
like I'm up against this, or this happened to me,

961
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,880
or you know, my circumstances were such and such. It's like,

962
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,440
I know, and that's awful and that sucks, but you've

963
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,840
got to change it, Like it's up to you. It's

964
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,519
your choice at the end of the day. There's a

965
00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:21,280
beautiful quote, and I don't know who said it, so

966
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,119
I'm not going to try to butcher the person who

967
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:25,960
said it, and I don't want this to be taken

968
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,679
out of context, but it says that you're a victim

969
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,440
the first time. After that you're a volunteer. And I

970
00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:35,679
like to relate that not to like assault, but to

971
00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:39,280
a victim of your circumstances, like whatever has happened, wherever

972
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,519
you're coming from, whatever you're up against, the first time,

973
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:43,159
you are a victim because it sucks and the world

974
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,599
not fair, and you've got to go out there and

975
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:47,239
face that. But after that, if you keep letting that

976
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,960
be your story, if you keep letting that be why

977
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,800
you're not winning, why you're held back, why you can't

978
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,440
accomplish things, that's a choice, like we can choose differently.

979
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,199
We can go fill the education gaps and knowledge gaps.

980
00:42:58,199 --> 00:43:01,679
We can figure out how to get access whatever. I

981
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:03,440
think that's really important. So I think those would be

982
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,320
the three things. You're an entrepreneur, The Internet is forever,

983
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,400
and whatever the situation is, you're responsible for changing it,

984
00:43:09,639 --> 00:43:11,280
And those would be the three key things.

985
00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:13,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, so I have to say, like to

986
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,400
that point, I'm a member of Alcoholics Anonymous, and that's

987
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,960
actually like one of the biggest keys to recovery, and

988
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,480
that's one of the biggest keys to like the twelve

989
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:27,440
steps is taking responsibility for your actions. And one of

990
00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:29,920
the things that we say is it's not your fault

991
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,480
you're an alcoholic, because a lot of times look and

992
00:43:33,519 --> 00:43:37,000
it's all up for dispute or whatnot. But I personally

993
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,960
believe it's genetic. I think I was warm with it.

994
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,920
So it's not my fault I'm an alcoholic, But it's

995
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,800
my responsibility to do something about it. Right, So, like

996
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,480
it's my responsibility to seek help, it's my responsibility to

997
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,039
get sober. It's my responsibility to like right the wrongs

998
00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:56,239
that I did, to clean up the messes that I made.

999
00:43:56,599 --> 00:44:00,639
And part of one of the steps is the fourth step,

1000
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,639
where it's like it's actually great, Like I recommend that,

1001
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,719
Like I think the twelve steps are just great for anyone.

1002
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,519
That's why they also have like other twelve step programs

1003
00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:13,880
for eating disorders. They have debtors anonymous. I know a

1004
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,880
lot of people don't know this, but for people who

1005
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,320
have issues with like debt and like overspending and have

1006
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:25,320
like spending issues, and there's a there's these columns and

1007
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,480
the last column and it's like who the resentment is

1008
00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:32,679
against why, and then what does it effect? Ambition, money,

1009
00:44:33,199 --> 00:44:36,119
personal relations, et cetera. And the last column is like

1010
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,159
what is my part in it? And it's like, no

1011
00:44:38,199 --> 00:44:41,480
matter what it is, you always have a part in it. Yeah,

1012
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,480
Like you have to acknowledge your part in it, and

1013
00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:46,599
even if it's something that happened to you a long

1014
00:44:46,639 --> 00:44:49,400
time ago, and it's not your fault because obviously there's

1015
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,320
horrible things that happened to people and it's one hundred

1016
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,960
percent not their fault, your part in it right now

1017
00:44:55,559 --> 00:44:58,079
is holding on to that exactly. Yeah, And if you

1018
00:44:58,119 --> 00:45:02,239
can't let go of that, then that will never let

1019
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,440
go you, yeah, exactly, And you can't be free until

1020
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,320
you let it go. Yeah. Yeah, And I have found

1021
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,719
that like to be true. Yeah, I agree.

1022
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,119
Speaker 2: That's a much more eloquent way of saying, and it's

1023
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,880
so relevant. I have a dear friend who's like really

1024
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:21,400
on her spiritual journey and like also really working on

1025
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,400
like her past traumas and things, and she got to

1026
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,280
this point and it's funny how she explained it to me.

1027
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,480
It's like I was so focused and fixated on like

1028
00:45:28,639 --> 00:45:31,119
identifying my patterns and where my trauma's from a new

1029
00:45:31,159 --> 00:45:33,039
closet and how I carry it and all of this

1030
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,440
like that I almost got stuck in a loop and

1031
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,440
I didn't take any action to I recognize the panet.

1032
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,639
But I wasn't doing anything differently. I was just participating

1033
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:42,760
in it. And I thought that was really interesting and

1034
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,239
valid insight because you can be so self aware about

1035
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:47,960
these things, but then you have to take an action,

1036
00:45:48,159 --> 00:45:50,079
like you have to choose differently, you have to change

1037
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:50,639
the outcome.

1038
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: So I think that's really all said, and it can

1039
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,679
be so hard too, because it's like one of the

1040
00:45:56,679 --> 00:45:59,320
things that like our brain does is that if we

1041
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,719
continue to the same path, it rewards you. Yeah, and

1042
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:08,480
also like you you literally like create these like you

1043
00:46:08,519 --> 00:46:10,719
know how if you're going a hike and you follow

1044
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,639
the same path, and the path gets trodden down and

1045
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,440
it gets like deeper and deeper.

1046
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 2: And it's like a neural pathway exactly, yeah.

1047
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: Exactly, absolutely, And if you want to take a new path,

1048
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,679
that path is going to have brush and it's going

1049
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,400
to be harder, and it's going to be harder, and

1050
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,119
you got to like break through it. You might have

1051
00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:30,800
to weed whack and shit like that. But the more

1052
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,880
often you take that new path, then you will wear

1053
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,639
it down and it will be easier. Yes, And that's

1054
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,599
what you have to do. You have to force your

1055
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:41,519
brain to start thinking a new way. And then all

1056
00:46:41,559 --> 00:46:44,239
of a sudden, when you get like when you get

1057
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,320
into a place where you get depressed or something happens

1058
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,159
to you that would normally trigger you to go down

1059
00:46:49,159 --> 00:46:53,519
that spiral of that depression, you'll find that you might

1060
00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:56,159
take that new path of like, Okay, I can think

1061
00:46:56,199 --> 00:46:58,280
about this a different way and it won't take me

1062
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,000
down to that dark place exactly.

1063
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 2: And that's also it's interesting you say this because part

1064
00:47:03,039 --> 00:47:05,679
of that it's like that human survival mechanism, like you're

1065
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,440
designed to conserve calories and do everything for self preservation

1066
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,320
and so when you've done something that has offered you

1067
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,960
some sort of reward for that behavior, whether it's comfort

1068
00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:18,880
or whether it's survival or whatever the outcome might be,

1069
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:22,960
even if it's negative, you've been rewarded for taking that

1070
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,000
behavior in the past, and so your brain associates it

1071
00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:27,119
that way, and then it like it makes it harder

1072
00:47:27,159 --> 00:47:30,360
to come out of those chosen paths because your brain

1073
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:30,840
has done it.

1074
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: It's trying to keep you live.

1075
00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:35,679
Speaker 2: It feels familiars, which therefore associates with safety and survival

1076
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:36,199
and so like.

1077
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: Probably like conserves energy. Yeah, so all of these things

1078
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,800
become like the chosen way. So you're fighting against like

1079
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,719
your genetic nature, like all of it.

1080
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: It's so a pill. It's very hard, very hard. Actually,

1081
00:47:46,519 --> 00:47:50,360
I associate similar things with burnout as well in the

1082
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,679
neural pathway conversation, because when you know, I get asked

1083
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,440
about burnout a lot, especially from creators, and I think

1084
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,159
this expands to like content creation as a whole and

1085
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:02,960
us being a burnout, you know, society in general. But

1086
00:48:03,159 --> 00:48:05,440
I think a lot of that comes because of like

1087
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:07,719
the dopamine of going on social media, getting flooded with

1088
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,719
dopamine because your brain has to recalibrate that function, so

1089
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,320
then it will deplete your dopamine and restrict it, which

1090
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,960
then puts you down and in the state of depression anxiety,

1091
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,280
and then the only way you can get back is

1092
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,000
that really potent dopamine of social again, and the nature

1093
00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:24,360
of doing that. As a creator who has to research

1094
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,840
what's trending, recreatile trend and post on social, you're getting

1095
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,360
that consumption and that dopamine depletion as a byproduct of

1096
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,760
trying to do your job, which then trying to do

1097
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,400
your job from a state where you're so deficit of

1098
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,679
any reward in your brain becomes very hard and very

1099
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,199
uphill battle. So I kind of think that that really

1100
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,320
adds to this conversation about burnout that no one's quite

1101
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,320
recognized and articulated yet, is that you know, we're used

1102
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,719
to our bodies are made for like sunset dopamine, or

1103
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,440
love dopamine, or like you know, having food and shelter dopamine,

1104
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,079
like these small things. And when we have these things

1105
00:48:58,119 --> 00:49:00,679
in our pocket, that is like the super cheap that

1106
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,440
we can get at any time and floot ourselves with.

1107
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,719
Of course, we're anxious, of course to depressed We know

1108
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,119
it affects kids and teenagers. We know how it feels.

1109
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:08,760
We know that if we spend a day on social

1110
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,440
scroll and we're gonna feel like shit the next day,

1111
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,440
and so like it's very evident. But when you have

1112
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,280
to do that for work and then you're so unaware

1113
00:49:16,599 --> 00:49:20,320
or don't understand why creating content becomes so hard, posting

1114
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,280
becomes so hard, it's like we just went to date

1115
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,079
trying to research what you should be posting, so dope,

1116
00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:27,360
IM depleted. You're not getting any joy out of the

1117
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,159
content creation process that you once loved, and now you're

1118
00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:31,280
trying to do this for work.

1119
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: It's this vicious cycle.

1120
00:49:33,199 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 2: And I think that's a huge part of what's going on.

1121
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: How do you fix that? Because I will tell you,

1122
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:42,280
like I actually Sobmasha who you met, post my all

1123
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:46,760
my content good stuff. So I generally don't consume or

1124
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,880
do not research. I can't really scroll on like social media,

1125
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:55,159
and if I do, I yeah, it's on Instagram and

1126
00:49:55,159 --> 00:49:56,840
it's bad and it's like when I should be going

1127
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,599
to bed. Instagram knows that I stop on like horror

1128
00:49:59,679 --> 00:50:03,039
story about like child because I'm a mom who's like

1129
00:50:03,199 --> 00:50:05,920
afraid of everything. You know, and it's like, oh, she

1130
00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:07,159
likes to be frightened.

1131
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get more of this and I'm like, oh,

1132
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,360
but it's just like it's the worst fuck you Instagram.

1133
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,079
I swear to God the things that you do to

1134
00:50:14,119 --> 00:50:17,599
me late at night that or oh my god, can

1135
00:50:17,679 --> 00:50:19,960
I just tell you just real quick please because this

1136
00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:22,119
is so off topic and probably not a program for

1137
00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:25,360
this spot, but who cares. I can't across this fucking

1138
00:50:26,039 --> 00:50:27,440
it's room so random.

1139
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: I came across this profile this doctor who specializes in

1140
00:50:32,639 --> 00:50:36,119
like babies with like gut issues and he like helps

1141
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:40,599
fart baby. It's like the equivalent to pimple pops. It's

1142
00:50:40,639 --> 00:50:44,239
exactly what it is. And and my daughter actually had

1143
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,280
like she had like she oh my god, what do

1144
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,400
they call it in babies? They call it hic. Yes,

1145
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,920
she was like a calliaguy baby, and she had like

1146
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,719
like gas issues. So I could like relate and yeah,

1147
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,719
and it was great, and he just like would like

1148
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,880
you know massage there are like stomachs and then you

1149
00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:04,360
just like kind of like pick their legs up and

1150
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:05,920
like twist them and wait, and they would just like

1151
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,840
fart and and they would be so happy afterward. They

1152
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:14,199
started they'd be crying and I watched for like an hour.

1153
00:51:14,519 --> 00:51:17,000
I was like scrolling through like baby fart videos and

1154
00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:18,440
I was like this is great, and I was like

1155
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:19,320
I have to go to bed.

1156
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,159
Speaker 2: Yeah no, I think, I mean so relatable and I've

1157
00:51:22,159 --> 00:51:23,679
been there and every rabbit hole will get me.

1158
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,079
Speaker 1: It doesn't even matter what it is.

1159
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 2: But I think putting a buffer, like you have a

1160
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,480
team member that will post your stuff, like if you

1161
00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:31,559
have resources where you can hire a BA or whatever

1162
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,599
schedule stuff to go up on social. But one thing

1163
00:51:34,639 --> 00:51:36,800
that I've been really digging into is you can actually

1164
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,679
turn your smartphone into a dug phone with the accessibility settings,

1165
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,960
so you can actually make it where when you open

1166
00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:46,760
up your iPhone there's three things, call a person, take

1167
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,480
a photo, or like see your calendar. Like you can

1168
00:51:49,519 --> 00:51:51,559
limit what you can actually access. And I'm not talking

1169
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:53,800
like D and D do not disturb. It's actually an

1170
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,599
accessibility for like I forget like disabled people or whatever

1171
00:51:57,639 --> 00:52:01,079
they the accessibility needs are. But you can disable almost

1172
00:52:01,079 --> 00:52:03,320
all functional on your phone and limit it. And that's

1173
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:04,880
what I want to set up where my D and

1174
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,199
D for when my in my working hours automatically changes

1175
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,679
my wallpaper changes my setting. So it's a dumb phone

1176
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,800
because that's I don't need it. I don't need the distractions,

1177
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,960
the notifications of everything from every platform coming in send

1178
00:52:16,039 --> 00:52:17,880
me on these all these goose chases, I end up

1179
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,400
putting fires out that aren't urgent, don't really need my attention,

1180
00:52:20,599 --> 00:52:23,199
like and not or all get caught scrolling when I'm

1181
00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:25,760
trying to find a thing I posted and see how

1182
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,800
it performed, and then I've watched six videos I don't

1183
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,280
care about. Like, you have to have guardrails because it

1184
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,480
is literally the platform's aim to sidetrack you.

1185
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: Like, so, yeah, it's hard, but we have to set

1186
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,280
also what we want to do. Yeah, because I want

1187
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,000
to create the content sidetracks needs to bring you to

1188
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,920
the top of our funnels, so you exactly. Yeah, so

1189
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,320
we're also doing the same thing. Yeah, oh yeah, it's

1190
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:54,920
completely hypocrite. Yeah. Absolutely. So speaking of smart tell me

1191
00:52:55,119 --> 00:53:00,599
about GPTs. My favorite program I definite and only don't

1192
00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:04,519
use it at all ever, GPTs dot AI.

1193
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:07,280
Speaker 2: So I was obviously I am an active content creator,

1194
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:09,880
and when chatchipt kind of came out in the scene,

1195
00:53:10,159 --> 00:53:11,800
I was like, this was great, I'm going to use

1196
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,920
chattybet to help write my captions for lock PPG messages

1197
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,800
to fans, you know, using sales psychology, and like it'll

1198
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,360
be way better than what I would do not a copywriter.

1199
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 1: I enjoy it, I'm not great at it.

1200
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:24,199
Speaker 2: So when I started to try to use it or

1201
00:53:24,199 --> 00:53:27,039
to write scripts or like sexting scripts for videos, whatever,

1202
00:53:27,519 --> 00:53:30,079
it wouldn't let me. So like chatcheptous say, we don't

1203
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:33,199
do anything explicit whatever, content policies, all the things, and

1204
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,639
I was so frustrating. So like, here's this beautiful innovative

1205
00:53:36,679 --> 00:53:39,559
tool that me and none of my friends have access to.

1206
00:53:39,679 --> 00:53:42,280
Once again, like another thing that isn't for us. So

1207
00:53:42,639 --> 00:53:44,480
what I did was I looked for a developer that

1208
00:53:44,519 --> 00:53:47,519
was really AI savvy. I tried to explore ways in

1209
00:53:47,559 --> 00:53:49,719
which we can build our own AI, and then we

1210
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,000
got to work doing it. So I really had to

1211
00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:55,199
write my I learned how to write training data because

1212
00:53:55,199 --> 00:53:57,480
it's not chattebut at all, it's not built on someone

1213
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,639
else's it's RS from the ground up. So I had

1214
00:53:59,639 --> 00:54:02,039
to write all the training data. I had to learn

1215
00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:04,719
how to you know, create uiu X for the website,

1216
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,480
how it looks out, feels where the button should be

1217
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,039
what you should click. And then my engineer and his

1218
00:54:09,119 --> 00:54:11,480
team of developers they got to work making the AI.

1219
00:54:11,559 --> 00:54:14,440
And when we made that for creators, it opens up

1220
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,719
this world of possibility of like, oh I can if

1221
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,199
a fan sends me a custom video request, I don't

1222
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,280
know how to script that. You upload a screenshot of

1223
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,840
the custom video request. GPTs can script it for you.

1224
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,039
You don't know how to reply to a fan DM

1225
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:29,599
because they're pushing a boundary. Upload the screenshot to that.

1226
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,239
GPTs will write the best reply for you. You want

1227
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,880
to do a script for a video, same thing, you

1228
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,280
can just ask it like I want to make a

1229
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,360
JI video? What should I say during the video? I

1230
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,719
want to do this much long whatever. GPTs will help

1231
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,400
you with that. I want to make contact, youll it

1232
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,119
like it can do anything you can ask of it,

1233
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:46,159
as long as you can think of how to prompt

1234
00:54:46,159 --> 00:54:48,320
it and say it, you know, in an articulate way

1235
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,800
to the AI. So like really there's no limit on

1236
00:54:51,159 --> 00:54:54,719
anything other than the creator's managed genation. So being a creator,

1237
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,800
you're no less creative. You just have this tool to

1238
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,280
do all the heavy lifting and weave you along further

1239
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:00,840
so you can get back doing what you want to do,

1240
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,159
which is a creation process. So that was a huge,

1241
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:05,920
a huge passion a month.

1242
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:06,519
Speaker 1: I really love.

1243
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,199
Speaker 2: Technology, like I said at Software Sleds, So being able

1244
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,360
to develop technology finally, which has been a goal of

1245
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,679
mine for a long time, was very exciting, very rewarding,

1246
00:55:14,039 --> 00:55:16,280
very exciting. And again like I don't want to put

1247
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,079
out anything that takes money from creators unless it makes

1248
00:55:19,079 --> 00:55:21,280
them the same money, if not more in return. So

1249
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,239
this was like my first real go at that, like, Okay,

1250
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:24,880
I put this out, you know it.

1251
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,639
Speaker 1: It's free to use its most basic level. If you

1252
00:55:26,639 --> 00:55:29,199
want more features, more prompts, whatever, you have to upgrade.

1253
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,039
Speaker 2: And then creators come back to us like I made

1254
00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:33,360
five hundred dollars off that lot of PPV GPTs rode

1255
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:33,679
for me.

1256
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,039
Speaker 1: And I'm like, fucking did it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, amazing, No,

1257
00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:38,639
it's great. And you know what I love about it

1258
00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:40,840
too is that, like you know, a lot of creators

1259
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,440
have like different personalities that they play to, yes, and

1260
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:46,239
you can create those different personalities and be like, Okay,

1261
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,880
this is the more dominant side of me, This is

1262
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,639
the more nurturing side of me, This is the more

1263
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,719
flirty whatever, and you can build out the different personalities

1264
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,760
and choose whatever personality to write that that for you.

1265
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, the personas was a huge requests for us,

1266
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,719
and it's so natural because, yeah, you can have like

1267
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,599
a whole part of a segment of your audience that's

1268
00:56:05,639 --> 00:56:08,320
like super dumb or financial dumb, like totally different thing,

1269
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:10,159
and then you could have like a fairy vanilla side

1270
00:56:10,159 --> 00:56:12,159
of your audience indicated to you or a foot fetter side,

1271
00:56:12,199 --> 00:56:14,719
like you know, sky's the limit. So the personas was

1272
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,559
a really requested feature and we got that.

1273
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: Out pretty quickly.

1274
00:56:18,039 --> 00:56:20,679
Speaker 2: And now we have the search for Internet search, so

1275
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,039
you can use it to ask gbt's like what kind

1276
00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:25,719
of videos right now are trending on porn Hub and

1277
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,239
what about those that is within my boundaries for my

1278
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,280
personalization that I can go and create a scripted vity

1279
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,800
for and ride that wave. Like we've come a long way.

1280
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,119
I'm really excited because it's just like our v one,

1281
00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:38,199
like we have so much more on the roadmap for gvts.

1282
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm I'm stoked. I'm excited too because I

1283
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:46,880
don't use it at all. It's all comes out of

1284
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,199
my brain because I'm so much time to write copy.

1285
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,039
What do you spend most of your time doing? I

1286
00:56:54,039 --> 00:56:57,800
mean you have so many different things going on. Yeah,

1287
00:56:58,119 --> 00:56:59,639
what do you spend most of your time doing? And

1288
00:56:59,639 --> 00:57:01,639
how approximately? How big is routine?

1289
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 2: I've actually downsized. I got lean going into twenty twenty six.

1290
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:10,159
So okay, so my thingk gvts around six. Sevr Data

1291
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:15,559
is three sw data. So me and my co founder

1292
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:17,719
Mike Sibil, who does a lot of work with free Speek, Collition,

1293
00:57:18,199 --> 00:57:18,920
everyone that's been.

1294
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,079
Speaker 1: On the podcast Plastic Fantastic, So.

1295
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 2: We co founded SEVR Data, which is a market research

1296
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,360
company for adults. So I realized and talking to Mic

1297
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,159
and allot of conversations we had was like every adult

1298
00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:32,960
platform has data on their platform, So like strip chat

1299
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,679
has data on strip Chat and how creators work and

1300
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,840
succeed on their platform. No one has platform agnostic data.

1301
00:57:39,199 --> 00:57:42,320
So what we've done is we've used sex worccos, giant

1302
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,320
community creators. We survey them across the board on what works,

1303
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,079
what doesn't, where they're seeing success, where they're seeing obstacles,

1304
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,679
financial institution, laws, you know, things like that, and we

1305
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,440
get platform agnostic data which then we can build out

1306
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,559
these reports to either we give the report free to

1307
00:57:56,639 --> 00:57:59,360
creators of like Hey, in twenty twenty five, our stated

1308
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,480
creator reports coming out actually at ex Business Week, so

1309
00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:04,039
they're going to know what I can do for my

1310
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:06,440
business next year that will be more successful because this

1311
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,199
is what's working for creators across the board, platforms across

1312
00:58:09,199 --> 00:58:11,320
the board. And then on the flip side, for businesses,

1313
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,639
we build out customer reports so that they can build products, services,

1314
00:58:14,679 --> 00:58:18,239
things creators actually need instead of investing fifty thousand dollars.

1315
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: In a feature no one really cares about.

1316
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,239
Speaker 2: So then we can serve them to make better creator products,

1317
00:58:22,239 --> 00:58:24,360
and we can serve the creators to make better business decisions.

1318
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: And we kind of marry the two. Oh that's awesome. Yeah.

1319
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 2: So as to be our data, that's just a team

1320
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:32,039
of three GPTs around five to six. Sex Ric CEO

1321
00:58:32,639 --> 00:58:36,840
we are five right now and Melrose Anxious as a

1322
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:40,800
creative performer, we are three. Okay, yeah, So most of

1323
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,239
my days management at this point a little bit. I

1324
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,880
still actively make content, So I film something every day,

1325
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,800
whether that's like a sexing set trip. I try to

1326
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,719
aim for one proper produced video leek that doesn't take

1327
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,360
up one of my time for me, that's like a

1328
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,320
two hour feet at most once a week. Everything else

1329
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,159
goes to management. I create the YouTube video of sex

1330
00:59:01,239 --> 00:59:03,920
for CEO, so that's like an hour a week. But

1331
00:59:04,599 --> 00:59:07,280
really I've delegated. I'm pretty hands off on most things.

1332
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,239
It all comes down to management making sure everyone else

1333
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,679
has what they need. For me, I'm not bottlenecking things. Yeah,

1334
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:13,599
i'd say that.

1335
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: You know, the one problem that I find that I

1336
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,840
have is that, like just I really I think the

1337
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,920
problem is is because I come from a background of

1338
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,119
being like a director and a producer, Like I know

1339
00:59:24,239 --> 00:59:26,960
that now like a majority of my income comes from

1340
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:31,480
like honestly modeling on OnlyFans, which is so weird to me. Still,

1341
00:59:31,639 --> 00:59:33,559
Like I don't consider myself a model. Like if people

1342
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:35,000
ask me what I do, that is not what I

1343
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,000
say I do. But I can't deny that, like that

1344
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:41,280
is a big part of my income now. So like

1345
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,480
my mindset is just not there. Yeah, So I have

1346
00:59:44,519 --> 00:59:47,199
to get myself in that mindset to like create content.

1347
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:50,639
So like there will be like weeks and weeks that

1348
00:59:50,679 --> 00:59:53,559
will go by and I won't make anything, and I

1349
00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:55,599
have to like get myself in that place. I just

1350
00:59:55,639 --> 00:59:57,599
like put on make them. It's all the same stuff.

1351
00:59:57,679 --> 00:59:59,800
It's really it's hard for me, Like I couldn't do it.

1352
01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:03,199
Speaker 2: Also, so this is something that really helps me. I

1353
01:00:04,159 --> 01:00:06,679
Task switching is a very hard feet, especially when you're

1354
01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:09,639
doing like admin managerial stuff which is very strategic and

1355
01:00:09,719 --> 01:00:12,800
very administrative, and then being creative inspired. That's a totally

1356
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,440
differentside of your brain. So like you when people are like,

1357
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:17,480
I'm not in that frame of mind, I'm like, I

1358
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,559
get it. That's actually a real thing going on up there.

1359
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,880
So I've actually switched where I've one week is all

1360
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,920
managerial admin, the next week is all creative and film.

1361
01:00:25,159 --> 01:00:27,039
So like I will switch back weeks all my week.

1362
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,440
My meetings are all bi weekly now for that reason too,

1363
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,360
so that I can be in a frame of mind

1364
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:35,000
for a stretch of time and execute in a better way.

1365
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:37,599
Speaker 1: So that has been really helpful for I think I

1366
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:39,840
need to do. I think just because we're at the

1367
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,000
big like inception of a lot of things that I've

1368
01:00:43,039 --> 01:00:47,800
started this year project, it's like every day and managerial,

1369
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,400
I can't get out of it. But my goal is

1370
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,880
to is to fix that. What is a red flag

1371
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,960
that you see in new creators that maybe predicts like

1372
01:00:58,039 --> 01:01:00,960
burnout or you think that they might be working up

1373
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,320
the wrong tree, going down the wrong road.

1374
01:01:04,039 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 2: I think one of the indicators is not having like

1375
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:12,079
a strong sense of self. I think that's really slippery

1376
01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:14,960
and really dangerous, especially when you're getting to this work

1377
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:19,199
on the younger side, because as a woman in general,

1378
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,840
it's hard to have a real sense of your voice

1379
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:23,760
and speaking up in a room of people or in

1380
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,480
a space even digitally online where people are telling you

1381
01:01:26,519 --> 01:01:27,960
to do something different or I'll give you so much

1382
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,039
money if you do this. To be able to say

1383
01:01:30,039 --> 01:01:32,159
no and have that be a complete sentence and feel

1384
01:01:32,159 --> 01:01:34,280
good about it and not care what the outcome is,

1385
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:36,920
I think that's really important. And I also understand a

1386
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,239
lot of performers and creators are coming from different situations

1387
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,079
where they might not have the ability to say them

1388
01:01:42,119 --> 01:01:44,199
maybe rent is doing they need something really desperately, and

1389
01:01:44,199 --> 01:01:47,960
that's a real reality for so many of us, especially

1390
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:48,960
the early days getting started.

1391
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:50,039
Speaker 1: It might be out of survival.

1392
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,239
Speaker 2: So I understand that that's harder to do given the

1393
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:56,360
context of any given situation. But having a strong sense

1394
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,239
of self where it's like that's not for me and

1395
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,360
I know that it's not for me. I think that's

1396
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:04,719
really important. That's a huge indicator of success because it's

1397
01:02:05,199 --> 01:02:07,559
very quickly you become disillusioned with anything you do when

1398
01:02:07,559 --> 01:02:10,400
it's not of your own will and of what you

1399
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,119
want to be doing or what you care about or a

1400
01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:14,800
passionate about her feel good about. So like, if you're

1401
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,679
doing things that aren't aligned with that, ultimately you're not

1402
01:02:17,719 --> 01:02:19,199
going to be happy with what you're doing. So I

1403
01:02:19,199 --> 01:02:23,599
think that's like the biggest indicator when someone's like almost

1404
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:25,960
like listening to everyone else's advice instead of hearing it

1405
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:29,039
from themselves or hearing what they think about a situation.

1406
01:02:28,679 --> 01:02:30,599
Speaker 1: Or a video or an idea.

1407
01:02:31,159 --> 01:02:33,199
Speaker 2: Like, you got to have a sense of yourself and

1408
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,239
know what's for you, and that's really important.

1409
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,239
Speaker 1: And setting boundaries is hard. I mean I'm talking forty

1410
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,000
seven and I still have a hard time setting boundaries.

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I have a hard time too.

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Speaker 2: I find like I'm better at it every day and

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I'm proud of how good I've gotten at it, but

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there's still work to be done. Yeah, because on the

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one scenario, situation will have it. I'm like, why did

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I see anything?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the hardest boundary you've ever had to set.

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Speaker 2: It might not be obvious, but the hardest boundary I've

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01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,920
ever had to set was letting go of people in

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relationships in real life that I felt.

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01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: Like, entrepreneurially weren't good for me.

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01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:07,199
Speaker 2: Like I have friends that I'm known for a decade

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01:03:07,199 --> 01:03:09,960
and love and grow up with, but it'll be like this,

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01:03:10,199 --> 01:03:14,440
the subtle dig at a dinner conversation where it's like, oh, well,

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01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:17,000
easy for you to say or something like that from

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like in my head, it just throws up a flag

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01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:20,480
like no to sell if you're not on my team.

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And like I really believe, at least in this phase

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01:03:23,159 --> 01:03:24,559
of my life, like if you're not on my team,

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01:03:24,599 --> 01:03:25,599
you're probably in my way.

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01:03:26,039 --> 01:03:27,679
Speaker 1: And like I've got to remove that off.

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01:03:27,719 --> 01:03:30,079
Speaker 2: So why would I add friction to an already very

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difficult thing. This is already it's hard to run a business.

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01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,960
It's harder to run this business. Like I don't need

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01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:36,639
that in my life. So, like my circles have gotten

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01:03:36,679 --> 01:03:39,519
much smaller. I've revoked access to myself in a lot

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01:03:39,559 --> 01:03:42,199
of ways. The D and D settings are hard to

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01:03:42,239 --> 01:03:44,400
get by, like get fast to get hold of me.

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01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,039
So that's been hard that's been the hardest boundary because

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01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:49,039
it's not like I don't love or care about the

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01:03:49,039 --> 01:03:49,639
people in my life.

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01:03:49,679 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: I do.

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01:03:50,039 --> 01:03:52,079
Speaker 2: I want to be there for their things. I want

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01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:54,840
them to share these moments with me. But if I

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01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:56,360
feel like I can't tell you I had a really

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01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,320
good day and I'm really proud of this achievement because

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01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,360
you aren't happy for me, or you're not really rooting

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01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,159
for me, or you think it came easier, I don't

1449
01:04:03,159 --> 01:04:06,039
really deserve it. Like I'm not messing with that. That's

1450
01:04:06,039 --> 01:04:06,400
not for me.

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01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 1: Some people don't deserve to follow you into your next

1452
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,599
phase in your life. Yes, I agree. What are you

1453
01:04:11,639 --> 01:04:15,119
still insecure about? Even though we all know you're very

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01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,239
professionally desired. I am.

1455
01:04:17,519 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 2: I think everyone asked me how to overcome impostor syndrome,

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01:04:21,079 --> 01:04:23,039
and I've got great advice on this, And that's just

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01:04:23,079 --> 01:04:24,920
to stack evidence to prove the contrary, so you can

1458
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,000
always go back to the evidence. I like that data

1459
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,840
point of like, I know I do good things with

1460
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,000
sex Focio because I keep a channel every testimonial, every

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01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,880
time someone said I've made the money. You know, I

1462
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,440
have this evidence where I'm like, I feel like an

1463
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,360
impostor go back to the evidence, see why that's not true. Okay,

1464
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,800
it's not true, but I struggle with that all the time.

1465
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:42,880
I also keep a list of mean things people say

1466
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,519
to me too. The secret mission, and no one knows.

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01:04:45,519 --> 01:04:47,920
This secret mission is to help those people that mean

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01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:51,559
treated me something where that they have to realize and

1469
01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:53,800
say that they've been provided value for something I've done.

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01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,280
They learn something from me, they use GPTs, they don't

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01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,199
know what's buying me whatever my feed. I'm like, that

1472
01:04:58,719 --> 01:05:00,800
got you because you're still far the mission. Everyone's part

1473
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:02,239
of the mission, your creator, you're a performer.

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01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: I want to help. You're part of the mission. So

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01:05:04,519 --> 01:05:06,519
I like that. That makes me feel good. Oh my god,

1476
01:05:06,519 --> 01:05:10,039
that's fantastic. If you could go back and give yourself

1477
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:12,599
a day one rule, what would it be?

1478
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,079
Speaker 2: Would have just been that taxes thing? I just fucked

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01:05:15,079 --> 01:05:16,159
that that y.

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01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:18,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that sounds like it really really got

1481
01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:18,760
to you.

1482
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,119
Speaker 2: It was the first year an adult from CAM. I

1483
01:05:21,199 --> 01:05:24,360
think I made like two hundred thousand dollars and I

1484
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:27,079
had nothing save for taxes. And that is hard to

1485
01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:30,559
come back from because also like setting up guardrail, so

1486
01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:33,159
it doesn't keep happening is very hard because you're paying

1487
01:05:33,159 --> 01:05:35,920
for bad taxes and now you're supposed to be simultaneously

1488
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,599
saving for future taxes. So now you're just like not

1489
01:05:38,679 --> 01:05:40,280
you don't get to touch your money, you know.

1490
01:05:40,599 --> 01:05:41,719
Speaker 1: So that because I'm really hard.

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01:05:41,719 --> 01:05:44,119
Speaker 2: And actually a great thing that my current accountant did

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01:05:44,199 --> 01:05:47,320
for me was that I payroll myself.

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01:05:47,599 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: I do too, but the payroll doesn't ever hit.

1494
01:05:49,159 --> 01:05:51,719
Speaker 2: Mycconic goes straight to DIRS for future taxes. So that's

1495
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,159
really nice because I don't touch it. I'm not continuing

1496
01:05:54,239 --> 01:05:56,840
I'm responsible for this problem. I'm no longer involved with

1497
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,159
this problem. It's fixed, happens on its own. I don't

1498
01:05:59,239 --> 01:06:01,679
have to do it. So that was a huge, like awesome.

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01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:03,559
So I've got the money that goes to future taxes.

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01:06:03,719 --> 01:06:05,639
Never had my account, but that's my pay role. So

1501
01:06:05,679 --> 01:06:07,159
that's been great. Interesting.

1502
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:10,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I have to say I was very lucky

1503
01:06:10,239 --> 01:06:12,079
to like grow up, you know, like working for my

1504
01:06:12,119 --> 01:06:14,679
parents and my dad taught me a lot about business,

1505
01:06:14,679 --> 01:06:17,039
and I understood all of that before I started my

1506
01:06:17,079 --> 01:06:21,280
own business. I understood like setting up you know, quick books,

1507
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:24,159
getting an accountant, like I knew all the things about

1508
01:06:24,199 --> 01:06:27,880
taxes before I started that's amazing because yeah, it's.

1509
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 2: The easiest way to fail any business, just generally. And

1510
01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:33,679
also it's like that's the way that Yeah, this is

1511
01:06:33,719 --> 01:06:36,239
what they get you, like yeah, no, no major criminals

1512
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:37,480
gotten arrested for what they've done.

1513
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: It I was tax evation.

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01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 2: No, I'm was like, I'm really trying not to be taxes,

1515
01:06:41,519 --> 01:06:42,719
Like I'm doing my best.

1516
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,679
Speaker 1: Please just tell me what I owe you. Why won't

1517
01:06:44,679 --> 01:06:46,599
they tell you what you ow? I know I read

1518
01:06:46,599 --> 01:06:48,920
a great quote. It was something like the IRS is

1519
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,920
something that It was something like IRS, you ows money,

1520
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,519
and it's how much? The response is how much? And

1521
01:06:54,519 --> 01:06:56,239
then the I R S is guess and it's like

1522
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:58,159
if you get it wrong, you go to jail. Yeah,

1523
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,119
like we know how much it is, but I can

1524
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:01,880
tell you. We won't tell you, and if you get

1525
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:03,800
it wrong, you go to jail. Yeah, what is catch

1526
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:05,800
twenty two? I know where's the bear traps? I can

1527
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:09,400
step in it? Well, Melrose, thank you so much. I

1528
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,400
know there's like so much more we could talk about.

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01:07:11,559 --> 01:07:13,360
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