Speaker 1: It's nice eyes.
Speaker 2: Undoing Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3: So we're going to continue to talk about the arrest
Speaker 3: of Luigi Menngioni. He has not yet been formally charged
Speaker 3: with the murder of Brian Thompson. That will happen, I
Speaker 3: assume shortly once he is brought back to New York
Speaker 3: from the state of Pennsylvania. He is facing charges in
Speaker 3: the state of Pennsylvania dealing with false ideas lying to police.
Speaker 3: But he's being held without bail, so he's not going anywhere.
Speaker 3: His life, for all intents and purposes, is over. I mean,
Speaker 3: you talk about a case that is a solid case,
Speaker 3: that is it now if you want to look at
Speaker 3: the other side of the coin, and a pretty weak
Speaker 3: case also dealing with a murder with a homicide, I
Speaker 3: should say. In New York, Daniel Penny, former marine, was
Speaker 3: acquitted in the death of Jordan Neely on that subway
Speaker 3: confrontation a year and a half ago. It was on
Speaker 3: May first, twenty twenty three when Neely, who is described
Speaker 3: as a Michael Jackson impersonator. By the way, I guess
Speaker 3: the gentleman did some sort of street dances Michael Jatt,
Speaker 3: but not like he's some professional impersonator. I mean he
Speaker 3: was a homeless person who had all sorts of mental
Speaker 3: health issues, maybe compounded by a use of substances drugs,
Speaker 3: gets on a subway car and threatens people, and this
Speaker 3: ex marine who was twenty four years old at the time,
Speaker 3: Daniel Penny, gets up and puts him in a brings
Speaker 3: him to the ground, puts him in a chokehold, and
Speaker 3: they struggle for a while as the train continues on
Speaker 3: people trying to get off the train. Alvin Bragg, who
Speaker 3: was the district attorney in Manhattan, who is not what
Speaker 3: you call a lauren on a district attorney, made an
Speaker 3: exception in this case and wanted to make an example
Speaker 3: of Daniel Penny, and he backfired. The judge, upon a
Speaker 3: motion of the defense on Friday, dismissed the more serious
Speaker 3: charge of murder in the second degree. I believe that
Speaker 3: was the charge. And then today the jury came back
Speaker 3: they had they had been hung up on the more
Speaker 3: serious charge. Today he was acquitted of what is in
Speaker 3: effect in New York criminally negligent homicide, which would be
Speaker 3: sort of a manslaughter conviction here. So there was the
Speaker 3: ugly demonstrations outside the courtroom side the court house, I
Speaker 3: actually say. But the demonstrations were pretty loud, and there
Speaker 3: of course was reaction when it was over. When it
Speaker 3: was over, this is the the lawyer for.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: This is this is Daniel penny Cut, number twenty two raw,
Speaker 3: giving an account of how the incident transpired. This is
Speaker 3: a little over a minute, but this is this is
Speaker 3: penny Cut twenty two.
Speaker 4: The village in Manhattan. So I take the subway multiple
Speaker 4: times a day. In this instance, I was coming from school.
Speaker 4: I got out of class around two fifteen, and I
Speaker 4: took the I was at j Street metro Tech, took
Speaker 4: the uptown F train. At Second Avenue. A man came on,
Speaker 4: stumbled on. He appeared to be on drugs. The doors
Speaker 4: closed and he ripped his jacket off and violent and
Speaker 4: threw it at the people sitting down to my left.
Speaker 4: I was listening to music at the time and he
Speaker 4: was yelling, so I took my headphones out to hear
Speaker 4: what he was yelling. And the three main threats that
Speaker 4: he repeated over and over was I'm gonna kill you,
Speaker 4: I'm prepared to go to jail for life, and I'm
Speaker 4: willing to die. You know, this is a This was
Speaker 4: a scary situation, and mister really came on. He was
Speaker 4: he was threatening. He's I'm six too, and he was
Speaker 4: taller than me. So it was And there's a common
Speaker 4: misconception that Marines don't get scared. We're actually taught one
Speaker 4: of our core values is courage, and courage is not
Speaker 4: the absence of fear, but how you handle fear. And
Speaker 4: you know, I was scared for myself, but I looked around.
Speaker 4: I saw women and children.
Speaker 3: He was yelling in.
Speaker 4: Their faces, saying, saying these threats. I couldn't just sit still.
Speaker 3: He went on and continued. I'm saying that the whole
Speaker 3: incident took about five minutes cut twenty two a roup.
Speaker 4: Some people say that I was holding on to mister
Speaker 4: really for fifteen This is not true. I mean between
Speaker 4: stops is only a couple of minutes, so the whole
Speaker 4: interaction less less and less than five minutes. Some people
Speaker 4: say I was trying to choke him to death, which
Speaker 4: is also not true. I was trying to restrain him.
Speaker 4: You could see in the video there's a clear rise
Speaker 4: and fall of his chest indicating that he's breathing. I'm
Speaker 4: trying to restrain him from him being able to carry
Speaker 4: out the threats. And then some people say that this
Speaker 4: was about race, which is absolutely ridiculous. I didn't see
Speaker 4: a black man threatening passengers. I saw a man threatening passengers.
Speaker 4: It's a lot of whom were people of color. The
Speaker 4: men who helped restrained mister Neely was a person of color.
Speaker 4: And then a few days after the incident, I read
Speaker 4: in the papers that a woman of color came out
Speaker 4: and called me a hero.
Speaker 5: What.
Speaker 4: I don't believe that I'm a hero, but she was
Speaker 4: one of those people that I was trying to protect.
Speaker 3: So this is the the Daniel Perry comment. Then one
Speaker 3: final comment from him, and I believe this is cut
Speaker 3: twenty two B. Please Rob. We were all scared.
Speaker 4: Mister Neely was yelling in these passengers' faces, and they
Speaker 4: looked terrified. The reason why there was no video at
Speaker 4: the start of the altercation was because people were too
Speaker 4: afraid getting away from him and didn't The videos didn't
Speaker 4: start until they saw that situation was under control. I
Speaker 4: knew I had to act, and I acted in a
Speaker 4: way that would protect the other passengers, protect myself, and
Speaker 4: protect mister Neely. I used this hole to restrain him,
Speaker 4: and I did this by leaving my hand on top
Speaker 4: of his head to control his body. You could see
Speaker 4: in the video there's a clear rise and fall of
Speaker 4: his chest indicating that he was still breathing. And I'm
Speaker 4: calibrating my grip based on the force that he's exerting.
Speaker 4: And I just I mean, I was trying to keep
Speaker 4: him on the ground until the police came. I was
Speaker 4: praying that the police would come and take this situation,
Speaker 4: take this situation. I didn't want to be put in
Speaker 4: that situation, but I couldn't just sit still and let
Speaker 4: him carry out these threats.
Speaker 3: To me, listening to him, it sounds like a reasonable story. Now.
Speaker 3: The lawyer for Jordan Neely's family was outside of quote
Speaker 3: after the verdict, issuing, but he calls a call to action.
Speaker 3: Cup twenty Dante Mils.
Speaker 5: We have a call to action because you have to
Speaker 5: do something with this anger and with this rage. Our
Speaker 5: call to action is to take care of each other.
Speaker 5: We can't rely on outside people. If we see someone
Speaker 5: asking for food, we have to take the responsibility to
Speaker 5: give it to him. If we see someone cold, to
Speaker 5: give them a cold. If we see something someone going
Speaker 5: through something to act them if they're okay, right on.
Speaker 5: That's how we help each other, because we can't rely
Speaker 5: on the system to do it for us. And clearly,
Speaker 5: if we get to this point, it's too late. We
Speaker 5: have to be there for each other. And that's our
Speaker 5: call to action. Everybody that's pissed off at this verdict,
Speaker 5: I challenge you to go outside today and help one
Speaker 5: person right on. That's my challenge.
Speaker 3: Well, there were other statements that were a little more provocative, understandably,
Speaker 3: so I guess this is Jordan Neely's dad under a Zachary.
Speaker 3: I do nothing about the Neely family, but his son
Speaker 3: obviously was a person who was dealing with some serious issues,
Speaker 3: and I can understand how he feels, but I disagree
Speaker 3: with his conclusion Cut twenty one.
Speaker 6: I just want to say I missed my son. My
Speaker 6: son didn't have to go through this. I didn't have
Speaker 6: to go through this either. It hurts, really really hurts.
Speaker 6: What are we going to do?
Speaker 3: People? What's gonna happen to us?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 8: I had enough of This system is rigged? Come on, people,
Speaker 8: the system is rigged. Alvin braggs the prosecutor in this case.
Speaker 8: Lettissa James is the attorney general. Of New York in
Speaker 8: this case, she did not have jurisdiction of the case.
Speaker 8: But I don't understand that belief. Now, last sound bit,
Speaker 8: and then we'll take a quick break and go to
Speaker 8: phone calls. Daniel Penny and his lawyers celebrated his acquittal
Speaker 8: understandably slow so because it's been a year and a
Speaker 8: half and this is this is a snippet of this
Speaker 8: celebration today. I guess it was around noontime. Cut number
Speaker 8: twenty three is that they're at the bar.
Speaker 3: Hey, how are you failing?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 9: Great, Yeah, it's fairly good.
Speaker 3: It's fairly good.
Speaker 10: It's so good.
Speaker 3: What's up? We're cut together? How's it going? How's it feel?
Speaker 3: Its great?
Speaker 9: He's finally got the justice he's deserved.
Speaker 3: Well, did you think it was going to happen?
Speaker 1: Sorry?
Speaker 9: Uh no, we think that this is uh should have happened,
Speaker 9: probably on day one. But the point thing is it happened,
Speaker 9: so we can't control the timing of it, but you
Speaker 9: can certainly savor the outcome.
Speaker 3: I think some might see this as a George Floyd case.
Speaker 3: I do not see it that way. I'd love to
Speaker 3: know what your reaction is. Six A nine three one thirty.
Speaker 3: We can talk about this case, the Daniel Petty case,
Speaker 3: or we can talk about now the Luigi Mangione case.
Speaker 3: One man is acquitted, walk free and we'll walk free.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 3: The other arrested in Altoona, Pennsylvania. We'll probably see another
Speaker 3: day of freedom for his entire life. Two lives impacted
Speaker 3: in New York City. I think that both of them
Speaker 3: were unnecessary. But I think justice was done for Daniel Penny,
Speaker 3: and I hope justice will be done for Luigi MANGIONI.
Speaker 3: We'll be back on night Side. That's get some phone
Speaker 3: calls right after this.
Speaker 2: Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World
Speaker 2: Nightside Studios on w b Z News Radio.
Speaker 3: It's go to call. It's gonna go to Robert in Wellesley.
Speaker 3: Robert appreciate you calling in. How are you tonight, sir? Oh?
Speaker 11: Pretty good?
Speaker 1: Dan?
Speaker 11: Really a loaded topic topic you have the saving.
Speaker 3: Well, it's an interesting topic because there's kind of two
Speaker 3: sides of the same coin. I mean, in the one hand,
Speaker 3: you have a guy who clearly fires a guy in
Speaker 3: his back, I mean, cold blooded murder. And then in
Speaker 3: this other situation that this guy who decides to act.
Speaker 3: Let's assume I mean, you're on the subway and this happens.
Speaker 3: What do you just sit there and let somebody you
Speaker 3: know attack someone else. I mean, it's this guy's an
Speaker 3: ex marine, he's twenty four years old. Yeah, he's in
Speaker 3: physical condition to take control of the situation and the
Speaker 3: ends up facing facing a homicide trial.
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree here, And.
Speaker 11: I'm curious about your opinion as a as an attorney
Speaker 11: for in future instances, could you suggest a useful procedure
Speaker 11: to go through to make a citizens arrest, because that's
Speaker 11: I think that the ex marine had good qualifications by
Speaker 11: had good credentials as being a marine, because as you know,
Speaker 11: the Navy automatically uses marines as part of its security force,
Speaker 11: and he did use the wrestling hold as opposed to
Speaker 11: a strike. I'm just wondering if you have an opinion
Speaker 11: as to what could have been done to make it
Speaker 11: clearer that I think he was effectively was making a
Speaker 11: citizen's arrest. Would you agree with that?
Speaker 3: Well, he was. I don't know if he was making
Speaker 3: a citizens arrest. I think he was trying to prevent
Speaker 3: a bad situation from getting into a horrific situation there.
Speaker 3: Apparently he was a mother there with a baby stroll
Speaker 3: or a typical you know, New York subway riders. And
Speaker 3: it's easy for people who have never rode on a
Speaker 3: subway system to think, well, you know, you have to
Speaker 3: put up with that stuff if you're on a subway system.
Speaker 3: It's funny. I you know, as kids, I remember watching
Speaker 3: Don k Notts or whatever, you know, and Andy Griffin
Speaker 3: and citizens arrest and stuff like that. I don't even
Speaker 3: know what a citizens arrest means. I mean, I think
Speaker 3: that he was basically trying to stabilize the situation. Uh
Speaker 3: so that people on that you know, you're you're you're
Speaker 3: you're trapped, You're you're a subway car. You have nowhere
Speaker 3: to go. You know, you maybe just hoping to get
Speaker 3: to the next stop and get off. But this guy
Speaker 3: gets on and he's really invective at a lot of people,
Speaker 3: and he's telling him I'm ready to die, and I'm
Speaker 3: ready to go to prison for life. I'm going to
Speaker 3: kill you. I mean, what else does he have to
Speaker 3: do to to get someone's attention. You know, we all
Speaker 3: could be in that situation. I can't I commend Petty
Speaker 3: for doing what he did. To be honest with you,
Speaker 3: and maybe people were going to say, well, it's it's
Speaker 3: horrible that, uh, that that mister Neely lost his life.
Speaker 3: It is horrible, But this is not the same situation
Speaker 3: as that Derek Chouvin George Floyd situation in Minneapolis, which
Speaker 3: people have tried to make it out to be. He
Speaker 3: was acting sa as a citizen, trying to protect others
Speaker 3: who were probably more vulnerable than he. I'm sure if
Speaker 3: it was a straight out fight, he could have dealt
Speaker 3: with Neely in whatever way he needed to, because Deelis
Speaker 3: Neely is under the influence of something. But again, everybody
Speaker 3: tries to politicize Alvin Bragg the prosecutor. You know, I
Speaker 3: can't wait till New York voters turn him out of office.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's he's he He wanted to prosecute the
Speaker 3: little guy at the bodego who defended himself and killed
Speaker 3: killed a robber. It's like he wants to defend the
Speaker 3: guilty and prosecute the innocent. That that's his that's his
Speaker 3: practice as a district attorney.
Speaker 11: I think I wonder, well, yeah, thank you for your opinion.
Speaker 11: And I also wonder if before putting the chokehold on
Speaker 11: if he could have. He might have had the training
Speaker 11: to do what something I can't think of a charm,
Speaker 11: something like an intercession or intervention. And then if the if, if,
Speaker 11: if the aggressor had made the mistake of winding a
Speaker 11: blow which the marine could easily have defended, then that
Speaker 11: would wouldn't that be a matter of assault and battery
Speaker 11: and they could have acted on that procedure. What would
Speaker 11: your opinion be on that?
Speaker 3: Well, you have a right to defend yourself, but you
Speaker 3: also have a right to defend others. I mean, if
Speaker 3: if somebody you know is walking down the street. There's
Speaker 3: the old story, you know that this kind of a
Speaker 3: little bit of a joke that said, well, well I
Speaker 3: was I was watching and there were eight guys, young guys,
Speaker 3: pretty tough guys, who were beating up a couple of nuns,
Speaker 3: and the police guys says, well, why do you do something?
Speaker 3: He said, Well, I didn't know who started the fight,
Speaker 3: you know. I mean he did intuitively, which I think
Speaker 3: most people who physically had the capacity to do that
Speaker 3: would have done it. I mean maybe he could have
Speaker 3: tried to reason with the guy, but maybe he felt
Speaker 3: that this guy I was so whacked out he couldn't
Speaker 3: reason with him, and maybe he figured the easiest thing
Speaker 3: to do is to take him down, immobilize him, and
Speaker 3: wait for the train to get to the next station.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to second guess him and that set
Speaker 3: of circumstances. I listened to him, you heard his sound bites.
Speaker 3: He sounded to me to be a pretty rational guy.
Speaker 3: I don't think he got on that train looking to
Speaker 3: end up being indicted for in a homicide case. He
Speaker 3: was trying to do the right thing. And what did
Speaker 3: they say, no good de goos unpunished.
Speaker 11: Yes, of course.
Speaker 3: It should be the case. We live in a society
Speaker 3: now where we're told, well, don't do this, don't do that.
Speaker 3: You know there, you know there were times when all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, you're presented with a situation where you
Speaker 3: got to do something to help someone, and you know,
Speaker 3: if you're going to sit there and be quiet. I
Speaker 3: know I'm no hero, but I once used the Heimich
Speaker 3: maneuver on a guy who was choking in a restaurant.
Speaker 3: This is go this forty years ago, uh, And it
Speaker 3: took me three tries with the Heimach maneuver to get
Speaker 3: the guy to pop out the piece of chicken that
Speaker 3: was that had had occluded his his windpipe, and nobody
Speaker 3: else in that restaurant moved. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 3: the moment the guy got up and started to hold
Speaker 3: his throat and you could tell he couldn't make a noise,
Speaker 3: the place went deadly silent. Now I could have sat
Speaker 3: there and said, I'm not getting involved in this. I
Speaker 3: don't know the guy. That's not what you're supposed to
Speaker 3: do as a human being, in my opinion, but hey,
Speaker 3: call me crazy.
Speaker 11: Good case in point, I.
Speaker 3: Wish if I had been on that subway train, I
Speaker 3: wish I would have had the same courage and capacity
Speaker 3: that that that Daniel Penny had.
Speaker 11: I hope his attorney, his defense attorney or draw out
Speaker 11: the fact it appears that he was placing himself between
Speaker 11: the aggressor and the other people that were on the
Speaker 11: on the train.
Speaker 3: No question, because once he takes the guy down offense, well,
Speaker 3: once he takes the guy down, the guy's attention and
Speaker 3: he doesn't know if the guy hasn't knie, if he
Speaker 3: doesn't know that whatever, you know, he puts himself in
Speaker 3: some foam of in some potential danger there. I'm sure
Speaker 3: he was watching the guy's hands and where they were
Speaker 3: and all of that. But I think the guy was
Speaker 3: a hero, simple as that. And if you did, if
Speaker 3: they disagreed, feel free to bring it on.
Speaker 11: Thank you, Robert, Thank you for you, thank you, bye bye,
Speaker 11: you much.
Speaker 3: All right, take quick break here. Uh, let's light these
Speaker 3: lines up. This is too good a topic to let
Speaker 3: it go to waste. Folks have some courage, uh. He
Speaker 3: Daniel Penny had the backbone to act. You should have
Speaker 3: the courage to call. And if you disagree with me
Speaker 3: and want to tell me that that that that that
Speaker 3: that Penny Uh should have just sat there and shut
Speaker 3: up and allowed this guy to do whatever he wanted
Speaker 3: to do and scare the hell out of people. That's
Speaker 3: fine too. Love there you make that argument back on
Speaker 3: Night's Side, right after the news at the bottom of
Speaker 3: the hour, It's.
Speaker 2: Night Side, Foston's News Radio.
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, we have full line. So let's
Speaker 3: go to Mike and Beverly first. Mike next on Nightside.
Speaker 3: Gotta be quick for me. Mike and I got a
Speaker 3: bunch of callers tonight.
Speaker 10: Go ahead, Mike, good Indian, how I am gonna get
Speaker 10: Dan Perry Perry case grows you know that's she never
Speaker 10: been brought before. Actually I find you know, he was
Speaker 10: definitely innocent. And then we took Alvin Bryant ten days
Speaker 10: I believe to finally uh go after uh after I'm
Speaker 10: from political pressure on the outside, that meaning why he
Speaker 10: did that, you know, and that way.
Speaker 3: We got a bad connection. Here, Mike, are you breathing
Speaker 3: into the phone or is there someone standing next to
Speaker 3: you breathing into the phone?
Speaker 10: No, I'm on, uh, I'm in my mike here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. It was just I was hearing
Speaker 3: like some heavy breathing there. Yeah. The guy's name is
Speaker 3: Daniel Kenny. Yeah, and I agree with you. It was
Speaker 3: very much a political prosecution. It took ten days for
Speaker 3: Alvin Bragg to get really interested in the case. But
Speaker 3: that's that's Alvin Bragg's style. He doesn't look at issues
Speaker 3: from a legal point of view, from a prosecutorial point
Speaker 3: of view. He looks upon these these situations in the
Speaker 3: context of politics, and sadly, he looks at it, I
Speaker 3: think from a racial point of view, which is what
Speaker 3: every bad prosecutor the history of this country has done.
Speaker 3: Back in the day of the of the South, the
Speaker 3: white prosecutors used to prosecute black men for crimes. They
Speaker 3: would not prosecute white men, for they looked at it
Speaker 3: from a racist point of view. And Alvin Bragg is
Speaker 3: the is the successor, the philosophical successor to the to
Speaker 3: the racist prosecutors of the Deep South of the early
Speaker 3: twentieth century.
Speaker 10: The guy was alive when the police showed up, so
Speaker 10: he didn't kill him. You know, the guy was alive,
Speaker 10: he was on and now yeah.
Speaker 3: Well again, we know how the case came out. So
Speaker 3: it came out.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day.
Speaker 3: He got he got the acquittal. But it's time for
Speaker 3: people in New York to say, hey, look, we want
Speaker 3: prosecutors who will treat everybody equally before the law, and
Speaker 3: we're not gonna go after some guy because he happens
Speaker 3: to be white or black, depending upon the bias of
Speaker 3: the prosecutor.
Speaker 10: Just I just don't know why they get to pull
Speaker 10: the race guard with this situation, because there's a nott
Speaker 10: and do with the race guard, you know, and why
Speaker 10: I have to go that way, because I've had that
Speaker 10: done on myself. But I'm going to do it now
Speaker 10: and then so all.
Speaker 3: Right, thanks Mike, appreciate your call.
Speaker 10: Thanks, good night, good night.
Speaker 3: Let me go to Geene and met for Gene next
Speaker 3: on nights. I go right ahead, Okay, let's put Gina
Speaker 3: on hold. We'll come back to Gene and she's ready.
Speaker 3: Everybody's got problems with their phone lines tonight. Don't get this.
Speaker 3: Pete is in New York. Pete, how are you, sir?
Speaker 1: Good? Damn?
Speaker 3: How are you good? Let's get the New York perspective
Speaker 3: in here, Pete Grette.
Speaker 1: Right, let me tell you we have a serious problem
Speaker 1: in New York. We have a progressive, liberal city council.
Speaker 1: We have a progressive creep like this Alvin Berg. And
Speaker 1: he's a Harvard graduate. Believe that now. But there's a
Speaker 1: very serious.
Speaker 3: The guy, the guy arrested in by the way, look, look,
Speaker 3: let me just say this. The guy arrested in Pennsylvania
Speaker 3: today is a University of Pennsylvania graduate. I know. I mean, anyway,
Speaker 3: not everybody who goes to Harvard or goes to penn
Speaker 3: turns out to be, you know, a great person. Absolutely,
Speaker 3: the unibomber Kazinski was a Harvard graduate. Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm eighty six. Now, if I were twenty years younger,
Speaker 1: I would I would have a vigilante committee in New York.
Speaker 1: The cops aren't allowed to do anything, or told me
Speaker 1: that they don't pick the homeless up. They don't pick
Speaker 1: the mental up because they take them to Bellevue. And
Speaker 1: Congress sets medicaid so it only can take hey for
Speaker 1: three days. You can't keep a mental patient in hospital
Speaker 1: for three days. The well, you keep it for.
Speaker 3: Three days, you're not going to have much more success.
Speaker 3: But no, you're right, you're absolutely right. But it's not
Speaker 3: time for vigilantes. You know what it's time for is
Speaker 3: that for the people of New York to start to
Speaker 3: turn out of office the people who should have never
Speaker 3: been elected in the first place. It's as simple as that.
Speaker 3: And it's going to be done in other cities as well.
Speaker 3: It's got to be done in Chicago, it's going to
Speaker 3: be done in Boston. We have a city councilor up here.
Speaker 3: Who is the first. She came here illegally, I believe,
Speaker 3: as a child, no fault of hers, and she uh
Speaker 3: somehow has been legalized. She became the first member of
Speaker 3: the Boston City Council to have come from I believe
Speaker 3: it was a West African country. I'm not exactly sure.
Speaker 3: She's just been indicted by the FEDS for bathing bonuses
Speaker 3: bonuses to her staff and getting a kick. I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know it would seem to be that.
Speaker 3: I guess it's people, and it's I guess it's people
Speaker 3: of all backgrounds. But but it just mean that if
Speaker 3: you're the first of something, you know, you know, if
Speaker 3: you're Jackie Robinson the baseball player, you know, you knew
Speaker 3: that you had to set a standard that other that
Speaker 3: would be impeccable that he did. I just look at
Speaker 3: this now. I don't know, you know, she she enjoys
Speaker 3: the presumption of innocence. She's been on my show. I'm
Speaker 3: not particularly a big fan of hers. At the same time,
Speaker 3: I think to myself, it's time for her to resign.
Speaker 3: How could she effectively represent her constituent while she has
Speaker 3: a federal indictment hanging over her head. But she's not
Speaker 3: going to resign.
Speaker 1: You know, we need to get people to get involved.
Speaker 3: If I make look look, people will all the media
Speaker 3: was surprised by the Donald Trump victory, and I don't
Speaker 3: know how good a president he's going to be. I
Speaker 3: know that he had big problems in his first term,
Speaker 3: and I think he made some pretty poor judgments. At
Speaker 3: the same time, he's the president. He starts with a
Speaker 3: clean slate. Let's if he does well, I'll commend him.
Speaker 3: Does badly, I'll criticize him.
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I'm praying that he can do some good.
Speaker 3: I would hope every president would do good, because guess what,
Speaker 3: you and I only have one president right now. His
Speaker 3: name is Joe Biden, whether you voted for him or not.
Speaker 3: And on January twentieth, afternoon time, his name would be
Speaker 3: Donald Trump. And I know that there are people who
Speaker 3: who are going to try to frustrate him at every turn.
Speaker 3: I thought he's had Look the fact that this guy
Speaker 3: in Syria is out of the way Israel hit a
Speaker 3: bunch of ISIS encampments that have been alloted to set
Speaker 3: up in Syria. Things takes could be breaking in the
Speaker 3: right direction. Maybe Putin's finally tied of Ukraine. Maybe we
Speaker 3: can settle that war down. I mean, there is a
Speaker 3: lot that could be done here, you know, in my opinion, So.
Speaker 1: Did you hear that we have a base in Syria?
Speaker 3: Yes we do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was shocked, but.
Speaker 3: Yes we do. We kind of fact I think that
Speaker 3: three of the of the US soldiers who were killed
Speaker 3: by the Iranian missile last spring was at a base.
Speaker 3: It's just inside the border of Syria. I think it's
Speaker 3: on the Syria Iraq border, if I'm not mistaken. So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I have a good friend of mine who was a
Speaker 3: US guard at the US embassy in Damascus earlier this century,
Speaker 3: you know, fifteen, fifteen years ten or fifteen years ago.
Speaker 3: You know, that's that's all. He's a marine and he
Speaker 3: that was a tough spot to be in to guard
Speaker 3: our embassy in Damascus. Big go, lets you run, thanks
Speaker 3: for calling and call more off, and you sound great
Speaker 3: about you.
Speaker 1: I will. I feel better, all right, Daniel Henry. There
Speaker 1: were more black people on the train than white people.
Speaker 3: They usually is, yeah, yeah, so that's yeah. He was not.
Speaker 3: He was not you know, defending you knows, with the
Speaker 3: white Aryan brotherhood. Now, he was defending poor people who
Speaker 3: were now being you know, we don't know how to
Speaker 3: deal with mental illness, which is which is sad. But
Speaker 3: this guy gets on the train and he starts threatening people.
Speaker 3: I'm ready to die. I'm ready to kill everybody. I'm
Speaker 3: willing to go to prison for life. That's pretty serious.
Speaker 3: That'll shake you up. That's not like, hey, how about
Speaker 3: those Yankees? They lost Soto and now the Mets have Soto.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's not some guys starting the conversation on
Speaker 3: the train, which you might want to ignore, but you know,
Speaker 3: I mean you look at it. I said, yeah, too
Speaker 3: bad for the Yankees. Man, you're a Mets fan, good
Speaker 3: for you. But but this guy's coming on. I'm going
Speaker 3: to kill people. I'm ready to die. I'm ready to
Speaker 3: go to prison for life, take people that they weren't thanks, thanks,
Speaker 3: beat and.
Speaker 1: Heard his father. Oh yeah, that father the courthouse. His
Speaker 1: father's a hustler. He didn't take care of his kid.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I would tend to agree with that, knowing,
Speaker 3: not knowing the inner workings of that family, I'd be interesting.
Speaker 3: Wasn't about it, but he was calling it wasn't was
Speaker 3: calling for vigilantes today. So we don't need vigilantes. We
Speaker 3: need Laura, we need law enforcement. That is fair. Hey,
Speaker 3: I got to run, Pete. There's always be well, talk
Speaker 3: to you soon. Good night, Shelton in Westwood, Shelton. Next
Speaker 3: time nights.
Speaker 7: I welcome, Hey Dan, thank you. Interesting copt huh oh,
Speaker 7: my pleasure. I don't call often, but uh, I just
Speaker 7: had the time and thought I chime in on this one.
Speaker 7: It's unfortunately both of those situations obviously lots of life
Speaker 7: on both. In both cases, uh the common denominator and
Speaker 7: one guy touched on it, you just did as well.
Speaker 7: Mental illness. I think both of those cases rik of
Speaker 7: mental illness. Mangione, you know, well educated, family's well to
Speaker 7: do apparently, but something went, something went haywire somewhere. I'm
Speaker 7: imagining that's what it seems like.
Speaker 3: I suspect you, right, I suspect you.
Speaker 7: Unless unless someone put him up to it. I have
Speaker 7: no idea.
Speaker 10: We don't know.
Speaker 7: We'll find out, I'm sure, and that.
Speaker 3: That might mitigate his judgment, you know, if and when
Speaker 3: he gets to the to the pearly gates of heaven.
Speaker 3: But I don't think it's going to mitigate. But but
Speaker 3: they how he should be treated.
Speaker 7: For the rest of his life not gonna help much.
Speaker 7: But and also the other case, to forget all the
Speaker 7: political stuff about whether the guy you know, I have
Speaker 7: a special I have a uh an adult autistic son.
Speaker 7: He's high functioning, but you know he'll he's not you
Speaker 7: know he's never going to be fully independent, and it
Speaker 7: always frightens me. He's almost forty now, you know that
Speaker 7: I would get a call one day that uh, you know,
Speaker 7: he's been accused of something, and and because not that
Speaker 7: he would be accused of anything, but but that he
Speaker 7: would have been harmed. I think we need more training
Speaker 7: for people who law enforcement, particularly and we know there's
Speaker 7: been some focus on that. There was a killing in
Speaker 7: Boston a while back where the cops killed this especially
Speaker 7: in these kids, young man, and.
Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 7: Well there was one in the South End as well,
Speaker 7: but it probably has more than once, right anyway, Anyway,
Speaker 7: perhaps the guy on the subway, if he had some
Speaker 7: sort of training other than you know, uh, joke holds
Speaker 7: or wrestling someone like de escalation and situations. Often those
Speaker 7: people just need, you know, they say anything off the
Speaker 7: top of their minds. I don't know how you know
Speaker 7: much impact any drugs may have had on the on
Speaker 7: the guy who was you know, who was choked. But
Speaker 7: you know, sometimes if he didn't touch it, did he
Speaker 7: did he physically harm anyone? People get on the train
Speaker 7: and rant all the time. Come on, I used to
Speaker 7: ride the Redline back and forth the work of the
Speaker 7: Boston every day, and I saw all kinds of people
Speaker 7: on the train. Used to be a guy that had
Speaker 7: an aluminum goll cap on every day riding on the train.
Speaker 3: But I but let's assume let's assume that you're on
Speaker 3: the train. Let's assume you're on the train and there's
Speaker 3: other people on the train. And let's assume you're a
Speaker 3: twenty four year old ex marine. Okay, I don't know
Speaker 3: how old you are now, but you said you had
Speaker 3: a forty year old son, so I assume but three
Speaker 3: times that, right, yeah, right, exactly, yeah. And let's assume
Speaker 3: someone gets on and apparently takes his jacket off, frozen
Speaker 3: at some people and tells him today's the day he's
Speaker 3: going to die, and they're going to die, and he
Speaker 3: doesn't worry about dying or going to you. He's going
Speaker 3: to kill people. Now, you could sit there and you
Speaker 3: could say, you know, maybe he's just you know, he's
Speaker 3: having a bad day, or you could take action. I
Speaker 3: think in most cases like that, someone sometimes has to
Speaker 3: take control of the situation. I think that's all Daniel
Speaker 3: Penny did.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 7: Yes, he and he could only he could only he
Speaker 7: could only utilize the skills that he had. Right he
Speaker 7: didn't Maybe he didn't have uh training to de escalate
Speaker 7: situations with would have been great.
Speaker 3: If there was a social work on there that could
Speaker 3: have said said to mister Neely, now do you really
Speaker 3: mean that you want to kill someone and we're just
Speaker 3: enjoying a little train ride here?
Speaker 7: Wow, I don't think I don't think that would be
Speaker 7: conven or why I don't I don't think. I don't
Speaker 7: think he has been Well, you know, some time you
Speaker 7: can say, hey, hey, buddy, Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 7: Look, come here, let's talk. Let's you know your joke Shelton.
Speaker 3: The next time we're on a train. But next time
Speaker 3: you and I are on a train together and something
Speaker 3: like this happens in front of us, I'm going to
Speaker 3: invite you to start the conversation and I'll be there
Speaker 3: and back you walk, Okay.
Speaker 7: If I never if I never ride the subway again,
Speaker 7: it'll be to the anyway with you. You have a
Speaker 7: great nights. Thank you for taking my call. God bless
Speaker 7: you have a wonderful Christmas and happy Year.
Speaker 3: You have a great Christmas if you celebrate Christmas and
Speaker 3: I and also best of luck with your son. Please
Speaker 3: say hi to them for us.
Speaker 7: Okay, thank you very much. Do you have a great night?
Speaker 3: Now, talk to you. So we'll take a break, coming
Speaker 3: right back on Nightside.
Speaker 2: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 2: Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 3: Back to the phone we go. Let's go back to
Speaker 3: see Jean. See if she is off the speakerphone. Jean,
Speaker 3: welcome back. How are you.
Speaker 12: I'm good? How are you?
Speaker 3: We tried to get you before. My suspicion is you
Speaker 3: might have been across the room in the speakerphone listening
Speaker 3: on the speakerphone.
Speaker 12: I was walking through the door as I just left
Speaker 12: MGM on landsdown Street. Maybe right next deal, We're.
Speaker 3: Not as down street. That's okay. So what's your take
Speaker 3: on either of both of these cases?
Speaker 1: Go right ahead, so you're gonna laugh.
Speaker 12: But I called you last week and I told you
Speaker 12: what my thought was about this Tangione person. I said
Speaker 12: to you, I said, I felt that he did what
Speaker 12: he did because a significant other was refused some type
Speaker 12: of medical care. We don't know yet really what the
Speaker 12: whole deal is, but it's looking more and more like
Speaker 12: that's uh, you know, a strong possibility.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think you were the only person who
Speaker 3: speculated on that. Clearly he went after the guy from
Speaker 3: United Healthcare, maybe because he felt someone within his family
Speaker 3: was wrong. The problem is this, I mean, let's assume,
Speaker 3: you know, he killed this guy in cold blood, shot
Speaker 3: him in the back. He's a coward. Then he fled.
Speaker 3: What do you do with him now? In other words,
Speaker 3: knowing that, let's assume that he had that his I
Speaker 3: don't know his grandmother or his mother was denied a
Speaker 3: drug that was potential. I don't know, we picked the
Speaker 3: worst case scenario. How do you adjust You're not in
Speaker 3: any way, shape or form, I.
Speaker 7: Know, justin correct, absolutely not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but you know what if you're on the jury,
Speaker 3: how long do you keep this guy away for? By
Speaker 3: the way, tonight, the Globe is now reporting that he
Speaker 3: has been uh, he has been charged with murder, says.
Speaker 3: Authorities arrested a suspect and charge him with murder Monday.
Speaker 3: So he's already been charged now with murder. So this
Speaker 3: is I thought they might bring him back to New
Speaker 3: York last late Monday, Matt Manhattan prosecutors filed murder and
Speaker 3: other charges against men. And you're only according to an
Speaker 3: online courte so that's their source on that. So how
Speaker 3: long should he spend in jail?
Speaker 12: I don't even know if Jill's really the answer. I mean,
Speaker 12: if the guy's got serious mental illness, then what do
Speaker 12: you do?
Speaker 3: How long should he be? Should he be should he
Speaker 3: go into some sort of treatment center. I don't think
Speaker 3: the guy ever sees the light of day, is what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 12: I think the rest of his life, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you could say, well, forty years
Speaker 3: from now, somehow they rehabilitate him. Look at John Hinckley,
Speaker 3: who shot Ronald Reagan in nineteen eighty one in Washington, DC,
Speaker 3: eventually was paroled from his life sentence.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think he was no weird gilitation
Speaker 1: for this.
Speaker 3: The problem with this guy is if he had if
Speaker 3: he had shot the guy in the leg and and
Speaker 3: and maybe they found him to be insane, you know,
Speaker 3: he would have faced assault and battery charges. But when
Speaker 3: you take someone's life fifty years, a gentleman who's fifty
Speaker 3: years of age, leaves a widow and two kids, I
Speaker 3: don't think anything short of life sentence if there was
Speaker 3: a death penalty, which is not available in New York.
Speaker 3: That's the only other option. All right, gee, what are
Speaker 3: you doing. You're making dinner as I'm talking to you.
Speaker 12: No, no, I'm just walking home, just getting getting in
Speaker 12: the house, trying to get my legs out.
Speaker 3: All right, well, you got a busy agendas. A'll let
Speaker 3: you run. Thanks, Gane. Appreciate your call. Thank you. Yeah,
Speaker 3: good night. Let me go to Bill in New Jersey.
Speaker 3: Bill in Jersey, your next Bill.
Speaker 13: Gorett ahead, thank you, Dan, I thank you for taking
Speaker 13: my call. I appreciate your show. You have common sense.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 13: The problem I'm in Jersey. A lot of people here
Speaker 13: commute to New York. Okay. The problem is mister Bragg
Speaker 13: releases repeat dangerous offenders, criminals without bail, and most of
Speaker 13: them go on, not surprisingly, to victimize more innocent people
Speaker 13: because they are what they are. And you mentioned President
Speaker 13: Trump something interesting. Well, he obviously doesn't believe in releasing
Speaker 13: criminals without bail. I'd like to make one point, thank you.
Speaker 13: You take just think of this the worst communist country
Speaker 13: in the world. Okay, North Korea, you name whatever, I'll take.
Speaker 3: I don't North Korea might qualify for that, Go ahead.
Speaker 13: Thank you. They do not do two things. That Number one,
Speaker 13: they don't release dangers risk criminals to which go on
Speaker 13: who go on to victimize more innocent people. They don't
Speaker 13: do that. And they don't confuse their school children as
Speaker 13: to what gender they are, like elementary school children or
Speaker 13: junior high Okay, just it's just food for thought. But
Speaker 13: it's called comments.
Speaker 3: There's no suggestion. And that's related to this. I mean
Speaker 3: this is this is a kid who was born with
Speaker 3: the proverbial silver spoone in his mouth. Didn't appreciate who
Speaker 3: are we talking about, MANNGIONI Oh, no, no.
Speaker 13: I was referring to the situation of the the subway
Speaker 13: marine who helped out people were scared.
Speaker 3: And no, no, no, Well I think the submame. I
Speaker 3: say that the marine, Daniel Penny is his name, did
Speaker 3: the right thing and he may have saved innocent people
Speaker 3: from being injured. Mister Neely died. But I don't think
Speaker 3: there's any suggestion that I could have come back with
Speaker 3: a guilty verdict. And I think it became a political
Speaker 3: prosecution by the same pecuty you just mentioned. Yeah.
Speaker 13: Absolutely, I bet it's time.
Speaker 3: For people in New York to vote this this guy
Speaker 3: out of office.
Speaker 13: Thank you, thank you. Unfortunately, from what I gathered, the
Speaker 13: city council as also well, then.
Speaker 3: Vote them out to look Trump did better in New
Speaker 3: York than anyone expected. Maybe finally voters in New York
Speaker 3: are going to wake up. All right, I got to
Speaker 3: run Bill, keep calling my show. Well, I need I
Speaker 3: need callers like you. Thank you so much, thank you,
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