Speaker 1: And nine Ignition six five four three two one zero
All engine running.
Speaker 2: It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for
Ignition with the aw Fadhab podcast team. This is Kelson
and we're coming off of a W redemption on Sunday night.
It was Sunday, wasn't it, guys. I can't tell anymore
what day it is, and it's it's weird. But anyway,
tomorrow night, Wednesday night, we are doing AW Dynamite, AW CLA.
Are they taping both of these shows on the same
night already, actually doing two nights in Detroit, you know,
as anybody know.
Speaker 3: I think they are doing both nights, but I'm not
sure I.
Speaker 2: See, Okay, So anyway, just keep in mind. I'm sorry
I was reading the chat and kind of got distracted. Anyway,
keep in mind that AW Dynamite will air at its
normal time this week from Detroit, Michigan on Wednesday night
at APM Eastern time, but Thursday AW Collision or airs
this week on again on Thursday at APM Eastern time,
all right, and then after Dynamite Tomorrow night. Just want
to give everybody a reminder to go ahead and tune
in to the EPW Show at EPW show on YouTube
for Conrad and Derek and their AE Dynamite review show.
They generally start that show pretty close to right after
Dynamite ends, So I would say like ten minutes and
it's really a fun show, So go ahead and give
it a listen and just an interactive, very interactive and
it's a lot of fun. And Val, you were going
to talk to us about a special AW dynamite that's
coming out.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Hello, everyone, this is Val So. AW announced earlier
this week that they will do a very special dynamite
it's called AW Rebel Heart Dynamite September ninth from Atkinsford
Arena in Athens, Georgia, in support of aw's Rebel, who
was diagnosed with ALS in March twenty six. If her
health is good fingers crossed, she is scheduled to make
a special appearance at that show. A donation will be
made by ae W for im Als and Team Gleeson
to very very good organization that promotes and support people
with als. So tickets will go on sale this coming Friday,
July July thirty. First. Sorry, there's official Rebel Heart shirts
and bracelet. They are available on shop aw dot com,
with one hundred percent of the profit going to im
als and Team Gleason. If you want to donate, you
can go to this website aewtogether dot com slash Rebel Heart.
So I can't wait for that special episode of Dynamite.
It's gonna be a little bit emotional. So our hearts
goes out to Rebel and for that, let's talk Redemption.
Speaker 4: Yes, speaking of redemption value, you had the pleasure of
not only going to Redemption but enjoying the all elite experience. Yes,
now I know with that. There, I know with that
there's two different levels to that. Which one did you get?
Speaker 3: I got the Champion, I got the Champion.
Speaker 4: Okay, what you get with that one?
Speaker 3: Well, you arrive early first, so you go around two
hours before the show starts, before they open the doors.
So there was a little miscommunication about the hour that
we were supposed to come in. So the email that
I got, I would say it was supposed to come
by five pm, and the show started at se with
all that was supposed to be that we were supposed
to be doing, taking pictures and having a Q and
A and all that, Like five pm, it's not going
to cut it, so I tried to reach them and
never got a reply, which kind of which was like
a bummer. So when I arrived on site, I arrived
at around two PM because I wanted to be sure
that I was there on time. And I spoke to
a few other people who got the package as well,
and they said, oh, we got another email saying it's
at fours, like thank god, but I never got the email.
So with that comes the early entrance. You can go
to the merchandise stand to purchase any shirt that was
available there, and then you had access also to take
pictures with personalities. With aw personalities, it could have been
either a wrestler or personality, but for us it was
like two rough that was there with us and an
access to a Q and A with some some wrestlers.
Speaker 4: So some good, but you're mostly good. A little miscommunication,
but overall I'm assuming you had a lot of fun,
Yes you and your daughter?
Speaker 3: Yes I did.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 3: I brought my seventeen year old daughter with me, so
that it was our second time going with me to
a wrestling show. So the first time she was around ten.
Now she's seventeen. But she had a blast and I
watched the replay yesterday and then I finished it today
and at the opening of the show, which was the
ladder match. At the opening of the show, I saw
her on TV and I show it to her and
was like, Oh, that's so cool. I'm on TV and
they cut it right at her. I was just next
to her, so they didn't show my face, but she
was there on TV and she thought it was cool.
Speaker 1: And I got a question, that is, what what in
terms of seating, what does champion get you versus the
regular all elite experience.
Speaker 3: The all elites? Uh, it's ring side, and you can
also get a voucher for a food which I didn't get.
It's like a twenty percent reduction on on on the food.
And then also you can take a picture ringside. Where
where is the ramp with the aw World Championship I believe,
but a I got a picture with the unified title,
which is cool.
Speaker 4: Okay, So the elite is like the yeah.
Speaker 3: But we arrive at the same time. We arrive at
the same time. No, they were fifteen minutes ahead of us,
that's right, So they were fifteen minutes ahead of us.
Maybe just to let them, you know, do their stuff,
and then we arrive at four, but you know, we
entered the arena at the same time as everybody else,
but the elite got into their separate ways with a
coordinator and then go to ringside and take pictures.
Speaker 4: So that's very cool. You know, it sounds like quite
the experience it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm eyeing some full gear tickets myself, so.
Speaker 5: It's good to hear.
Speaker 1: But I mean that's not until November. Let's let's talk
about Redemption a little bit. I wanted to get y'all's
opinions thoughts on like an overall overall show experience, you know,
at home or I mean Valve between all of us,
you were the only one in the state. But yeah,
what did y'all think about Redemption?
Speaker 4: I thought it was a good show overall. I'd give
it a seven out of ten, seven and a half.
Those those three opening matches were freaking fantastic. The first
three matches of the show were just like, honestly, I
think the best part of the show for me. There
wasn't anything that I didn't that I just you know, like, oh,
I hated that I thought the pain Maker psycho Killer
could have been about five minutes shorter. You know, I
don't think a tag team chain match works. It's just
too it's just awkward. Other than those things, though, I
enjoyed the show overall. It was a fun, entertaining watch
the matches that were predictable. I enjoyed the journey of
the matches.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of agree, Well, don't you what.
Speaker 2: Did you think? I want to agree? What you think?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: I honestly kind of put it lower, especially thinking about
Aw's reputation with pay per views. It I think it
lived up to the filler pay per view prediction that
we all had before, which it's I don't think is
a bad thing. I nothing was like, oh this is
a major stinker. But overall, matches without build, and you know,
I'm a sucker for a good match. I don't need
that much of a build. But this is maybe the
only time that I've thought this is too long of
a pay per view. I'm all about getting my money's
worth with a pay per view. I don't care if
it goes six hours, except for this one. This one
kind of I felt dragged a little bit. I do
agree the first three matches were kind of the high
spot and the main event, but other than that, Yeah,
everything just seemed kind of kind of draggy. I think
that's in part to some of the lineup that we
have as champions and just some of the matches.
Speaker 5: That we got.
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't think a five out of
five is like, oh, that's terrible. I think in the
scope of aw pay per views, I think it's it's
just less than what we're used to, but overall, not
terribly bad.
Speaker 2: Let's hear your thoughts.
Speaker 4: Oh, I said, you know, seven out of ten. A
lot of stuff I liked, a few things I wasn't
a big fan of, but overall could show.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, well, I kind of agree. So seven out
of ten. There's two matches that I didn't like watching
it live, and then I watched the replay just to
be sure that it was what I felt when I
was at the at the Bell Center, and that was
exactly the same, the same feeling I got. So the
first three matches were incredible, incredible. So that was the
highlight for me for for the for the show a
little bit long, obviously, but that's what I That's what
I said to myself, if I go there, it's going
to probably finish at eleven maybe midnight. Thank god he
Tony decided to start at seven not eight, because it
would have been home like by two am, so that
would have been like crazy. But it was good.
Speaker 2: I loved it.
Speaker 3: The crowd was great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, that's one of the things that kind
of again, when you're looking at the crowd and when
you're listening to the crowd. There were a couple of
matches where the crowds were yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was wondering if it was a.
Speaker 3: Thing personally, Like Chris mentioned the Dog versus j and Juice.
For me, the match was like not going to cut
it for me, and the crowd was like very very silent.
And then Sheeta versus Maya as well, the crowd was
like not in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of noticed that. Well, in my opinion,
I do want to say something before I give you
my thoughts in that AW is known for the pay
per views that they put on. Let's just face it,
you can't beat an AAW pay per view. If this
pay per view was on any other company, it would
have been excellent, But this is AW and it's held
to higher standards as such. I give this. I'm struggling.
I've been waffling between four and a half and five
out of ten. So I'm just going to go four
point seven five out of ten because there were some
stuff in this pay per view that I really liked, loved,
and there was stuff that I was just set. There
was like I was struggling to pay attention and I
hated the endings too.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: We'll get into that in our next segment. But one
of the things that we do already know, unless something
very odd happens, is that it will be Kenny Omega
versus Will Osprey at all in London forty eight and
w Men's World Championship. And I'm curious to ask you.
I'm curious to hear from the audience and everything. By
the way, fly Boy did say what's up cichos and
where's my ciccos at? You know, and I put it
up on the screen, but I didn't didn't read it
when I put it up on the screen. Wolf is
in the chat saying what's up Van hubb And and
he did. He also said that you know, it's funny
how seven out of ten paper you would be an
eight or ten or ninety ten in any other promotion.
And that's exactly what I'm saying. But anyway, let's get
back to the task at hand. Kenny Omega, Will Osprey
it all in. What are you guys feeling about this match? Excited,
not excited, kind of stuck in the middle. What's your idea?
Speaker 3: I'm excited, I'm sorry, I'm I'm off.
Speaker 2: Well why are you saying that you're sorry? Because are
you well?
Speaker 3: Some people Will would probably love to see MJF going
at it as well, so maybe a three way, but
my heart is fully, fully into it after what I
saw Sunday night, so I didn't I never thought that
I would see what Kenny did to Will at the end.
I thought it would be the other the other way around.
So I was kind of surprised. But I was jumping, jumping, jumping,
and my daughter was looking at me. It's like, Mama,
what's happening? And I tried to explain a little bit
of the storyline and she understood a little bit. But
it made for me, It made it made sense for
Kenny to do. And I went online and talked to
some of my friends that I have on Twitter, I'm
sorry on ex and they were like, is it a
heel turn? Is it not? And some of them said yes,
some of them say no, and my head says no.
But I kind of understand what he did.
Speaker 6: It's it was a call back, yeah, said Will Osprey
like his hero AJ style, because.
Speaker 4: That is exactly what Kenny did to AJ when he
ticked him out of the Bullet Club. He had him
get up on the corner and celebrate and went up
bo hit the one wing.
Speaker 3: I saw the video, I was like, oh, I thought
I saw that somewhere and was like, yes, that made sense.
Speaker 1: I think it's absolutely not, absolutely not a heel turned.
I think this deepens Osprey because this is who Max
has been telling Osprey to be, and Kenny is the
one who you know, is that guy right now, and
he's that guy because he will pull the trigger. It's
also a bit of a receipt, I think, you know,
it's it's like a big one told you so, Yeah,
why are you dealing with these guys? So the only
thing that I may give that's kind of heelish is
the flex with the young bucks at the end hitting
the elite pose. That seems like, okay, you're a little
insult to injury. But the win winged angel I thought
was beautiful. I almost turned it off because you know,
they were just celebrating. I was actually walking up to
to turn off the TV and then it happened, And
I'm glad it worked out that way, But I don't
think it's a he'll turn it's and.
Speaker 5: We have another month.
Speaker 1: At this point, I'm sold on the match, and there's
still a whole other month for them to you know,
kind of deal with each other backstage and in the ring.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think this is gonna be more
of a face face match, but being in Wimbley, Osprey's
gonna have more of the crowd initially behind him, So
Kenny won't work full on heel, but he'll definitely work
more heal with than normal because you know, the fans
are gonna here for both of them, but Osprey's still
the hometown and got.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say this, if this
was not at all in, if this, if this was
at all out, if this was at any other aw
pay per view, this match would happen on DYNA. Wait,
this would this is not a pay per view match?
This is this is not a pay per view match,
And I say that No, Well, okay, when did will
Osprey come back from his uh in relation to the
owen Hart Tournament, he came back from his injury a
few weeks before the own Heart tournament began. As soon
as he came back, every single person and if you
if you deny this is the truth, then you're lying.
And I honestly believe that when will Osprey came back
from his nec fusion surgery before the participants in the
Owen Heart, before the own Hart was even announced, we
knew that will Osprey was going to all in and
he was going to win the aw World Championship in
front of his home crowd. Period. That's it. It kind
of made Osprey's run. Thank goodness for John Moxley and
the Death Riders who are putting a little bit of
a spit on it. But there's no way Omega's going
to win this match. Will Osprey is going to win
this match, and it's going to be a complete waste
of several months unless you're just you know, it just
doesn't make any sense to me. This is absolutely poor
booking in my opinion. As far as the older, I'm
not saying it's poor booking putting him in, putting Osprey
in the in the all in match for the World Championship,
but the whole owen Hart tournament was a waste. You know,
Sure it had some banger matches, but I've always said
you have to have banger matches just for the sake
of having banger matches. Meets is meaningless to me. It
has to be a point to it. And I'm sorry
this this is awful.
Speaker 5: I think this is what I literally have.
Speaker 2: No interest in watching this match. Zero interesting.
Speaker 4: Use the same analygy I've been using for a while.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: I know Superman is going to beat Lex Luthor, but
I enjoy seeing how he does it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we've talked about predictability isn't always bad,
and we're getting exactly what we talked about for months.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but see, look Conrad Cushman from the EPW Show.
That's just one of his favorite lines when we talked privately,
is like, predictability isn't always bad. But what you're saying
predictability isn't always bad two three, four times a week,
then you kind of got to say predictability is bad.
If it's that bad, you know, if you're saying that
that often, it's bad, and this is bad I'm sorry,
it's bad.
Speaker 1: We do have will Osprey completely on his own now. Yeah,
before he had the Death Riders, and now he's lost
their trust. He's lost Kenny's trust, you know who. He's
got a month to kind of vent for himself.
Speaker 2: Well, Kenny has really been on his own, you know,
up until you know, the the elite just kind of
got back in his corner. And Austbury's not has been
on his own for a while before this. So Joy Chris,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say. Now Osprey, you know he may
not even really have United Empire. I mean, right now,
for sure he doesn't because you know, Callum Newman's Rake Lee,
all the Great Oakcloumn they're busy in the t one,
but they're kind of pissed because it's like they came
and fought for him against the Death Riders and then
he's like, okay, well now I'm gonna go kill him
these guys of the Horrible.
Speaker 2: That really was bad. Oh God, I'm sorry, go ahead
to to you. We're gonna say something.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I mean I kind of send most of
my piece. I guess will Osbury being completely alone. Now
there's still a month left you know who knows what happens.
And the whole thing with Mox is about him kind
of leveling up and becoming a killer because he hasn't been.
He's had world championship matches and lost him he hasn't
held this title, you know, and this is kind of
his last or or this is putting him in a
position to evolve into that killer. You know, Mox has
done it a couple of times. He knows what it takes,
so you know, now now he's he's got to crack
the code by himself. That finally see.
Speaker 2: But I'm not getting when you're I'm not getting what
you guys are saying about being alone and stuff. This
is a complete service match. Will Osbury doesn't He could
go out there with two broken arms and two broken
legs and kpabe and still winning this match. It's a
fan service match. Will Osprey's gonna win period. There's no
ifs or buts about it. Can I disagree? This is
like the most there's no way to Kenny Omega's winning
this match. Zero I disagree If Kenny. If Kenny Omega
wins this match is if it's if the plan is
for Kenny Omega to win this match. May God strike
every one of you dead, right now. That's that's an
old George Carlin joke. But you're still here. See nothing happened.
Speaker 3: I'm not dead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not dead. Will Ospray's winning this match. Kenny
Omega might as well just not show off. Seriously, this
is going to be a banger for the sake of
a banger, that's all it is. And it's a fan
service match.
Speaker 4: And I say that a year from now, people aren't
going to rem er, oh, will Ostpray beat Kenny Omega.
They're gonna remember Will Osprey and Kenny Omega ahead one
of the greatest wrestling matches of all fing talent.
Speaker 2: That may be the case, and I hope it is,
but I'm just saying that a banker match for the
sake of having a banger match means nothing when it's
so predictable. Let's move on because we if go ahead,
what if Ken.
Speaker 1: Didn't beat JF and we were having m JF versus Osprey,
I would.
Speaker 3: Have picked Will one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna say, yeah, go ahead. I mean he
did say Kelson, but valid go ahead and answer for me.
Speaker 3: Well, if if it was MJF versus Well, I would
have picked Will one hundred percent for sure. But from
my perspective what I saw, what I saw in the
demeanor of Kenny being like he's ready, he's the cleaner,
he's the best bout machine against And I even put
out a tweet with picture of Kenny with the belt
after the match, and I said that he's ready, the
cleaner is going to take out the assassin. That's what
I said.
Speaker 2: So that's my prediction, okay. And to answer the question,
it could be seventeen on one. Will Osprey is still
winning that match. It doesn't matter who you've been out
there and who It doesn't matter how many Kenny Omegas,
John Moxley's, Kyle Fletcher's, whoever you put in this match.
It could be ten, fifteen, twenty people from AAW or
other companies whatever. Will Osprey is winning the World Championship
at all. In it makes no sense. What's wherever for
him not to It just doesn't. It's a fan service match,
that's all this is. It's a glorified exhibition that the
results are already in the books. And believe me, I
hope I am wrong. I hope I am wrong and
that Kenny beats will Osbury. But I don't think I
am because it is what it is. But I do
want to move on. I do want to move on
because we now have a new aw Women's World Champion,
and I want to know what you guys.
Speaker 3: Think about this decision.
Speaker 2: Okay, Dounji.
Speaker 4: I want to start off with saying I love Willow.
She is fantastic, She's fine, she's great in the ring
like I'm working a door Willow, but I vehemently disagree
with this decision. Techlas should have retained.
Speaker 5: I just.
Speaker 7: Forget the fact even you know, setting aside the fact
that tech has been a fantastic champion and just absolutely
freaking has that it factor.
Speaker 4: We are either getting another transitional champion or we're saying
these monet losing two years in a row in the
women's title match at all win like neither one of
those are good thing, right, Okay, Well.
Speaker 2: Let's go to Tunci.
Speaker 1: I will say the same thing that I said about
MJF a couple of weeks ago about Tecla. I think
Tecla has plenty of story outside of the Women's World
Championship that you know. I think that's why this happened.
I see the artists of stardom championships being defended, and
that's why she dropped the Women's World Championship. As far
as Willow, I'll be honest, Willow kind of does not
move the needle for me. I like a character with
a little more edge.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm exactly what Techla said about Willow in the promo
last week. You know, I don't like an all smiles,
happy go. Look, she's kind of John. She's two thousand
and six John Cena, you know. So I don't. I
don't particularly like it. I think she retains it all
in begrudgingly, just because I think that's where Mercedes Monet
story gets deeper. I'm kind of fifty fifty to fifty
on that prediction.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I don't. I didn't love this to a degree.
Speaker 1: I think it makes sense, but you know, the women's
generally kind of.
Speaker 2: I posted one word on social media when I saw
when this match ended. I put this graphic up with
the one word, and it was terrible. This is terrible.
Technic kept this women's division afloat. She did her best,
she and she was good at it. Promos, tag matches,
multi women matches title defenses, and she's not going to
get the defender title at at all in. And I
say her title because I honestly look at this as
this is still techless title and Willow Nightingale was borrowing it.
If Willow Nightingale is still the champion going into all in,
I will absolutely not watch this match, just on the
principle of it. This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen.
Now people were saying people were saying that if Techland won,
she would have gone into all in and it would
have been a heel versus heel match. Okay, well, going
into all in, it was going to be will Ospray
and Kenny o'meghan, a face versus base match because nobody
believed that he that will Osprey was a heel, right,
and you saw quickly that was remedied at the very
end of Redemption with what Kenny Omega did it. It
doesn't take a full heel turn. It just takes a
little bit of a seed of doubt. And that's exactly
what they did. That was really well done. So this
is just a this is we've already seen this match.
Willow doesn't deserve to be in this match. I am sorry.
I say it like it is. This is awful, This
is terrible, and.
Speaker 3: I completely agree one hundred percent with you calson Ondez.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think something that maybe aw you know, constructive criticism.
They're holding on to the tiniest thread of story and
making it happen again for the sake of something. I
don't think, you know, a an injury in a New
Japan Strong Women's Championship match years ago warrants this. You know,
there's a couple more examples, but you know, just talking
about this one, they're kind of beating this one to death.
Speaker 5: They had good, good chemistry.
Speaker 1: Uh like when Willow won back the TVs title, But
you know, this is another one that's just kind of
a match for a match heel versus heel and then
on the mens side, face versus face. I think would
have been a fun, fun kind of twist to everything.
Speaker 2: To people are saying and I'm like, you know that
Tekla is going to be going face.
Speaker 1: So I think Tekla is kind of turning that corner
people are. She gets the MJF pop where people initially
exactly and then they remember like, oh, we're not supposed.
Speaker 2: To exactly they appreciate her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I will say on the the whole face face,
he'll face. It is a lot easier to do face
face because then you're giving the fans two options. It's
here for when you go heal, heal, It's like, Okay,
we don't like either of these two. Who the heck
are we supposed to root for now? In this case,
Tecla is almost Tekla is essentially a tweener at this point,
Like she she does heal accents, but she's getting a
face reaction. It's you know, it's comparable to how how
Eddie Guerrero used to be uh and Nito he got
the same thing. MJF. You know, he's a he's a
districally scumbag deal, but he's still our scumbag. So that
is one deal. I will say where I don't think
he'll heal would have been an issue with Tecla versus
I think it also.
Speaker 1: Goes back the unfortunate just series of events with Tony Storm, uh,
the the mixing around of the Women's Own Heart Tournament.
I think this is just a product of injuries and
unforeseen circumstances, and you know, you kind of roll with
the punches. Yeah, he could have done more with it.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 2: The whole thing was as stupid to me. I mean,
I said it last week. Willow gave up the or
vacated the TVs Championship due to injury. They made a
tournament out of it, well, qualifiers out of it for
the uh you know, to to do whatever they did
to get the crowd to do TVs Champion. I can't
even remember how they did. Was it the Casino Gauntlet
that they did? Yeah, the Survival Survival the Fittis. Okay,
they had the qualifiers to get into the Survival of
the Fitness always half right. But the point is is
that the Survival of the Fittis match was on July first.
Willow got her title shot on July eighth, one week later.
What was the point of that? None?
Speaker 4: Zero?
Speaker 2: Pathetic, horrible booking fan service. This is terrible. I encourage
nobody to watch this match because it's a stupid match.
I'm sorry that the way I feel. Well, let's move
on to something more positive, at least for me, it
is maybe you guys will hate this, but we have
a new national champion and that's on Joddy l Idelo.
What did you guys think of how you know, how
do you like this? How do you like this match
with Mark Davis? And this is one of those where
we really don't know what's going We know that Osprey
and Omega is gonna happen, we know that Willow and
Mercedes is gonna happen, we don't really know for sure
what's going to happen with androdi l Iglo. What did
you think of this match of redemption? And also what
do you think it's next for Andrede.
Speaker 4: I've really enjoyed the match. I loved Andrade starting off
with the h that crazy spinning elbow he does and
like just going for the pin right away, Like I
wish more matches would you know, start hot like that
with someone being smart and like going for a big
move right away. Mark Davis was a really good National champion.
Against the great matches, this was another one I thought
it really showed both guys strengths and it was a
match where I wasn't sure how those two were gonna
match up, and I was very pleasantly surprised. As for
what's next for on Droday, I honestly don't know. That's
a that's one of thought I was like, there's multiple
paths I could see him taking, and I don't know
which is the most interesting.
Speaker 2: Hopefully we'll see something tomorrow night with Andrade and see
what that path will hold. Who else wants to talk
about this match?
Speaker 1: I thought the match was good, you know, nothing nothing
right home about. I don't really like that he won
the national title, mainly because I at this point, I
don't know what the identity of the national title is.
I thought it was a kind of younger guy, lower
mid card title. If they're trying to beef it up
with Andrade, you know that's cool, but you know you
got Jack Perry and and Mark Davis as the previous holders.
Speaker 5: You know what what is that really?
Speaker 1: And and well, I would put Ricochet and androde on
the same on the same playing field. But as far
as what's next for him, he's he keeps wearing that
diamond ring. I think it's inevitable that MJF is going
to be a little upset about that. I see I
see a feud with m JF coming, But it kind
of goes back to the previous thing. What is it
going to be for the for the World Championship? Is
it just like, give me my ring back or not
the world champions but the national title.
Speaker 5: But you know, now you got.
Speaker 1: Two top guys with a lower mid card title. You
know that's a little screwy to me too, but you know,
let's let's let it play out.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm happy for Rade. The match was was great
to watch. Did did you guys realize that he has
a new theme song?
Speaker 2: By the way, yes, people were talking about and not.
Speaker 4: Liking and not well thank you.
Speaker 3: I thought I was the only one. Thank you, Kelson.
I'm not liking it one day either.
Speaker 4: I definitely preferred the Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was. It was fun to watch and
again he decided to unzip and the crowd when nuts.
And you know, was that you Chris who said that
he started with like his big finish or something.
Speaker 4: Not a big finish, but uh that like running boot
into the.
Speaker 3: Spinning because that reminded me the match between John Moxley
and Will ospread Dynasty, because Will started with the with
his hidden blade right off the bat. It was like bam,
So that that's what That's what has been my me
of So yeah, it was. It was great. It was great.
Speaker 4: I love what.
Speaker 2: What what do you think is next?
Speaker 3: I don't know. No, I don't know, really don't.
Speaker 2: Uh, well here I do have an idea. Uh, Androtti
just left the don Kallis family, so he's got some
enemies there. Grand Slam Mexico is right around the corner,
like a week and a half away or something like that,
isn't it. Well it's like next week and isn't it.
But yeah, anyway, Uh, he'll be a Grand Slam Mexico
defind defending the national title, which is what you're supposed
to do. You're this is a championship that you're supposed
to defend in other promotions, they're going to be in
CMLL and uh, you got at Cerro right there. I
believe you're going to see Androti and Atso at Grand
Slam Mexico.
Speaker 4: Yes, please please, yes.
Speaker 2: I yoso.
Speaker 1: It seems like when you Dallas, whereas you get jumped
into gangs, you get jumped out, just like will Ospray
two years ago.
Speaker 2: And right, I mean, of course, you know, I'm usually
go to Sarah as an example. Could also be el Klhone,
who was also part of the don Kallis family, and
Volador Junior, who is also part of the don Kallis
family on the Mexico division, so it would.
Speaker 4: Be good with any of those. But I do love.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. But anyway, let's move on because we had
yet another title change that was Maya World winning the
AEWTBS Championship. I've got to go ahead and give my
opinion on this first. First things first, I was very
very happy to see Maya World get this title because
for two reasons. One is I like Maya World a lot,
and two I do believe the TBS Championship with Mercedes
and then Willow, it's been elevated tired, and it should
be This should be more for a mid card area,
in my opinion. So now that my World has got it,
she I'm hoping that she will now work to elevate
the mid cards. The bad part about this this match
was terrible. Karlshida and and My World had no chemistry together.
It was like watching like they were like fighting in mud.
I'm sorry it was and I didn't like the match
at all, but I am glad that my World.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say terrible, but yeah, their lack of chemistry
was definitely apparent. It was a little plunky at times.
I predicted to win, and I have never been more
happy to be wrong. I also really like my old
Worlds is great. Also, she's from Dallas, so you know,
got a teer for I'm I'm excited to see what
she does with his typer.
Speaker 1: I tell him the same way you feel about Willow
winning the World Championship, and.
Speaker 5: This is how I felt about this result.
Speaker 1: I while I do agree the TVs Championship should be
a mid card title, and I think someone of my
world's age and experience, you know, this is kind of
what that's for. So in that regard, that's cool. However,
I feel like she's too new and I know that's
what people are saying, but I don't think and I'm
sorry the whole the tragedy with her brother, that's awful,
and you know, nothing against that. I just don't know
that that has the legs that everybody thinks it does.
Speaker 5: You know, how how long that's fair? How long did
it take.
Speaker 1: For us to get tired of Darby talking about Mount Everest?
You know, And it's kind of the same thing. Obviously,
this is a tragedy, and you know, I'm not taking
it lightly, but it's you know, where does that go
after that? You know, it's are we trying to do
and you know, taking it back to two thousand and five,
two thousand and six again, I'm sorry, but this isn't
Ray Mysterio and Eddie Guerrero. You know this is this
is a.
Speaker 5: It's a bit different.
Speaker 1: I think she put on a great match with Mercedes.
I was there at Forbidden Door and that was a
heavy match. It was awesome, But you know, you're putting
on a banger match with Mercedes Monette legit one of
the best in the world, men's or women's.
Speaker 5: So I don't know, shout out my world for winning.
Speaker 1: I think it is awesome as a character and you know,
as a as a fan of the show, I guess uh,
I don't know how far that really takes it. And
she'da was the most interesting she's ever been. Why, you know,
why are we taking that away from her? Or maybe
maybe it makes her more interesting? I don't know, but
I wasn't particularly happy with this one.
Speaker 3: Now I'm very very quiet because I have a lot
to say and I will try to do it in
a very very short time manner. I was very very
upset about the about the match. I said a little
bit at the beginning of the show that I didn't
like it, and I felt watching it on replay as well.
So I'm happy for Maya because it was her birthday
on Sunday, So happy birthday, Maya. But I was not
happy with with the with the way that the title
changed Corse sheet. She still has the record for the
shortest reign of the ae W Women's World title, and
now she has the shortest reign for the TVs title.
So I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm maybe she'd'll be maybe she'd will beat Willow Nightingale
and and that streak this week on collision or something.
Speaker 3: That I would be very happy, but that would be
like another tradition transitional champion, and I don't like it.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, let's move on.
Speaker 1: I think we do have one more thing. I think
it will set up a more almost developmental women scene,
you know. I feel like there's a gap between some
of the women and just like the lower card, arguably
do they even have a mid card and then the
the well.
Speaker 2: Well that's that's a good that's a good point too,
G because if you looked at the reports, uh, they
are reporting that there are several areas of reporting that
AW is about to sign like seven people, probably more,
and I do believe that they're not going to be
signing a lot of big, big, big names. They are
gonna be signing some, but they're gonna be signing people
that are going to be developmental and part of that
will be in the women's division that could face my
World and whoever else is holding the T and T Championship.
But let's go on to the AW International Championship. Thank
goodness for Kyle Fletcher and Bandido. I want to say
that right off the bat, because that match was the
match of the night. Nothing else even came up to
its kneecaps that it was far and away the best
match of the night. And Speedball Mike Baily is going
to face Kyle Fletcher Grand Slam Mexico. Now didn't Speedball?
What did they face last? Was it? That wasn't the
only was it the C two? I think it was two.
Speaker 4: Speedball one in the C two and then Talented Tyle
for the T and Team title after the C two
and lost that one thanks to Sanigans.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But the thing that I'm at the point is
is that those matches were brilliant and they made sense,
and they made sense they were fun matches. This is
gonna be a fun match in Arena Mexico with these two.
That crowd is going to go absolutely berserk. But the
question is I don't believe the speedball is gonna win
this match. The question is is what's in the future
for Kyle Fletcher and what did you think that Kyle
Fletcher and Bandido.
Speaker 4: I agree Kyle Fletcher Bandido with match of the night.
I won't say nothing else came to those to it,
but it was the match of the Knight for sure.
I think in the future for Kyle Fletcher, that's where
we're getting our triple threat at all in with Kyle
Fletcher and Kazutskokada. As for Speedball, I hope he's facing
Kevin Knight for the t n T title.
Speaker 1: I agree with with everything Chris Chris just said. There's
there's I guess kind of the same thing with uh
with the with the men's World Championship. You know there's
zero chance in my opinion, speedball wins and this.
Speaker 5: Is this is just a match.
Speaker 1: This was a match to please the Montreal crowd and
a match that we just know delivers every time. So
not mad at it, but you know it's just kind
of a match.
Speaker 2: Yeah. When you need a champion to lose, Bendido is
the guy you go to. Just don't put up his
ring of honor World Championship.
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, I need a favor. Can someone say Kyle
Fletcher's full name plate.
Speaker 4: A international Champion, the proto Star, Kyle Herbert Walker in
a bonport Tomato Fletcher.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. Okay, this is my love letter
to Kyle Fletcher. He's my favorite wrestler after Kenny. So
thank you Kyle for the greatest match that I've ever
seen you done in AW so far. You had some
of other matches that were great, but with Ben Dido,
oh my gosh, it was beautiful and I love watching
you and I will cheer you on from this day forward.
I started being a fan after watching you against Hangman
for the world title that all out last year and
you delivered. So thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
This is my love letter to Kyle. So I was
happy to see Speedball win and the crowd win nuts
nuts not and even in the in the the little
segment the promo that he did with Lexi, he started
uh speaking French and swearing in French and everybody understood
what he was saying, so that that was great. So
I'm excited for the match as much as I would
want to cheer for speedball and winning in Mexico. Sorry,
Mike File's gonna do it.
Speaker 2: And then the you know, you know, the only way
that speedball wins in Mexico is if Speedball versus Fletcher
is going to be the match at all, in which
I wouldn't be totally against, but they risk doing that
too often.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Or if Kyle Fletcher there's too much of the
water down there.
Speaker 2: There you go. You know, nothing, nothing causes an upset,
mored and dysentery. All right, Well let's move on because
we are running a little bit short on time. Kevin
Knight T and T Champion russelled Kenny Omega at Redemption.
I did not see a second of this match. I
had to do something, and I did watch the next day,
but I just pass forwarded through the match because I
knew it was meaningless. There was no way Kevin Knight
was gonna win, so I just wanted to see what
happened after the match. So I can't speak on this match,
but I will say this, I am a big Kevin
Knight fan, and I think he is improving on all
areas other than wrestling from week to week. I think
that he is a big talent. But one of the
things that made no sense to me is having Darby
Allen come out before the match during a do a
backstage promo saying He's coming for the T and T Championship. Okay,
well you just kind of told us he isn't winning
the world championship, because if he was, you were gonna
go after the big gun. Why would you go up
to the DNT Championship if the world champion was right
out there? Thank you, Tony Kahan, you know.
Speaker 4: Because Kevin Knight hadn't won the world title yet. Yeah,
so I mean, you got you gotta kind of consider
that from pay fa. If he says I'm going for
the world titles, then that really telegraphs the ending.
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, I didn't watch this match at
all because I mean, obviously I knew who's gonna win,
so I just wanted to see what was apter to match.
But for those of you who did watch the match,
what did you think of it? And what do you
think is next for Kevin Knight? Do you think it
is Darby Allen.
Speaker 4: I thought it was a great match. I think I
could see Grand Slam Mexico them doing kind of a
you know, some kind of stipulation for like a blowoff match.
You know, I could see that happening. But I feel
I think Kevin Knight will beat Darby Allen and go
on to lose the title to Speedball at all.
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough? Anybody else, Yeah.
Speaker 1: That the match was good. Also, nothing to like, I'm not.
I don't feel the need to suggest that match to anybody,
But yeah, Kevin Knight's doing awesome. I think he's exactly
what a T and T champion should look like. And
I have a lot of fun watching Kevin Knight. Not
much to report, but you know, definitely nothing.
Speaker 5: Bad to report.
Speaker 3: He's got a new theme song.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I was wondering if they were a special
pay per view song, special main event song.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: But if it's if it's his new theme song, I
don't like it. I don't feel it, I know.
Speaker 2: Well, what do you think is next for Kevin Knight? Now?
Do you think it is Darby?
Speaker 3: I'm thinking and I guess that's the obvious answer. Well,
they can do.
Speaker 2: Don't forget the don't forget the TNT Championship is an
open challenge championship, so it could be anybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it could be, but Darby is the obvious. I
think he would be humbled by the beating that Kenny
gave him because at the beginning of the match, it
was really him, you know, taking control. But then in
the middle of the match, Kenny just like he said
it out loud and I and I could hear what
he had to say, and he said, you can never
be me. You can never be me, and that's absolutely true.
So I think it would be humbled by by the
by the match per se and the experience that being
in a world title position match would would be for him.
So kudos kudos for for the match. It wasn't my
favorite of the night for sure, but I will wait
and see what's next for Kevin Knight. That's all I'm
going to say.
Speaker 2: Well, well, let's move on at all in we do
know that it's going to at least be Cajun Copeland
against the Young Bucks. A lot of people are saying
that maybe New Day makes this a three way. Uh.
I wouldn't be against that, but uh, hey, the Cajun
Copeland Retirement Tour is on its way. What do you
think of this match? At all in? And by the way,
Cajun Copeland against Tune did they wrestle against Okay?
Speaker 3: People?
Speaker 2: That was the second match of the night, was it not?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: It was okay. I personally did not like that match.
I mean it was it was there, It was fine,
it was nothing wrong with it, but it was a
dynamite match. It wasn't a pay per view.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the World Tag Team Championships are being
held hostage by Cajun Cope for a hope at a
at a nostalgia.
Speaker 5: Pop at all in.
Speaker 1: I kind of think the same thing for the Young Bucks.
I don't particularly like them with the titles. You know,
you get a Bucks match and you're having a great time.
But I think there's just so much more, so many
more teams to give a spotlight too. I think the
Young Bucks are always kind of the bailout team for
switching hands. I do hope a third team comes in
and and wins and not either of these two teams.
Speaker 5: I'm tired of Cajun.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, also, look a look at Dynamite Collision. This week
at Detroit, Michigan. Chris, who do you think may show up?
Speaker 4: I'm hoping the Murtor City machine Guns and I would
absolutely puts it in this match. I want a third,
a fourth, a fifth, and a six team added to
this match with tables, ladders and fricking chairs.
Speaker 2: Oh my, hockey pucks and thumbtacks in it.
Speaker 3: No, yes, no, please not cricket back.
Speaker 4: They're they're in England cricket back.
Speaker 2: Cricket bats. I don't think Americans that were watching usn't
even know what that what they are anyway, Belle, what
do you think for now?
Speaker 4: I'm excited.
Speaker 3: That's the dream match that everybody wanted to see, and
the Young Bucks even said it on their being the
Elite video today. So I'm crossing my fingers for.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to have to I'm gonna have to
disagree with you that this is a dream match and
everybody wanted to se I don't care, so everybody.
Speaker 4: They wanted to do it.
Speaker 3: They wanted the Young Bucks so they said it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well this this is a dream match for
them for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But for me, that is probably something that Caje and
Copeland are looking forward to yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, Edge sorry, Adam is looking forward to it, but
Christian is not character.
Speaker 2: Christian pretty much unreadable. But I want to move on.
I don't want to spend a lot lot of more
time on this. Uh, the most uncomfortable segment in at Redemption.
I don't know what the hell they were thinking, but
I'm gonna tell you this right now. I'm gonna tell
you this right now, that it's gonna be the Brawling
Birds versus Divine Dominion at all in and yet another
fan service match that I have no interest in at
all at watching. What have the Brawling Birds done other
than being from England? What are the Brawling Birds done
to deserve to be in a World tag team title
match and probably win over a team that has been dominant?
It just makes no sense to me. This is dumb,
and I'm sorry, but Tony conn is starting to become
the king of dumb booking. To me, this is dumb.
Speaker 1: I think that the most established tag women's tag team,
and I know that sounds crazy.
Speaker 2: It speaks.
Speaker 5: It speaks more to a lack of.
Speaker 2: Who's the most who's the most established tag team? How
do you figure that they've had eight matches and six
of the nine matches, well six of those are against nobody's.
Speaker 5: My point is not even rosters.
Speaker 1: My point is about the lack of women's tag teams.
And you could say the same about Divine Dominion because
they just squash match and pre show match every every
week and every pay per view. It's more of a
testament to the lack of women's tag teams.
Speaker 5: But you know, I think.
Speaker 1: They're that's four quality wrestlers that will put on a
good match and have a month to build a story.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say this, you know, and I have
to disagree with you. They are four quality wrestlers, but
there's only one quality team, and that's Leana Cross and
and Uh and Beg and Bain. I have never seen
any team ever with less chemistry together than Jmi Hayter
and Alex Windsor. They're awful together in the ring. They're terrible.
They have no idea what they're doing.
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, they don't fully disagree, fully disagree, and they again,
I think the Divine Dominions booking is not much different
than that of the Brawling Birds match.
Speaker 2: But they're out there. They're out there on a weekly basis.
Brawling Birds disappeared for what at least a month or two.
You know, they've they've done vignettes, but they they haven't wrestled,
they haven't done anything. You they they after they just
do not have chemistry together in the ring yet are great.
Their ring chemistry is awful.
Speaker 4: I think they're just still figuring out that timing.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, a good time to do it, is it
in front of you know, what could be fifty thousand
people and all in you know, that's a great place
to figure out your timing. They don't. They shouldn't be
in this match. I'm sorry. They shouldn't. They should yet, Well,
it's clear and obvious. I mean they just did it
close up with Renee piquette today where it's obvious. It's
just the same. Yeah, well what would you do?
Speaker 5: What would you do instead of that?
Speaker 2: Honestly, if you can't come up with another tag team,
then just don't have a tag team match because this
is preposterous. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it goes back to just lack of overall
women's tag team booking, or not lack, I guess, but
lack of depth. But you're very uncomfortable. I was cracking
up and I didn't know if it was, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It was very uncomfortable. Well do you have any opinions
on this.
Speaker 3: Before we move on?
Speaker 2: All right? Well, what who it is? The very last
person we're going to talk about is John Moxley. He
still has a belt, doesn't he? Yeah, you know, the
one that he hasn't defended since the Forbidden Door. Uh,
and has very rarely honestly defended it. He's been too
busy with will Osbury and six man tag teams and
stuff like that. Uh. John Moxley needs to be used
more and be used as a champion more. I have
really no idea what's next with John Moxley.
Speaker 4: Me. I feel like I feel like this recent kind
of threats has been way is like, Okay, this guy's
gonna show up freaking week and he wants to work,
So he puts them in you know, six man and
tags and has them doing segments and stuff to kind
of keep them from just completely breaking down. Because that
dude has not taken a break in like ninety seven years.
Speaker 5: I still think that far.
Speaker 1: I still think he's headed or we're headed for death
right versus the Bang Bank gang at all in with
their loss at redemption.
Speaker 5: I don't know. It kind of puts a.
Speaker 1: Puts a fork in that for the Bang Bang Gang,
but uh, the Death Riders did jump them after the match,
and so I think that may be heating up. But yeah,
I agree that that's another title. This maybe held hostage.
And John Moxley is one of my favorite you know,
I'm glad to see him with gold, but you know,
get too cheap?
Speaker 2: Do you see the Bang Bang Gang and it's the
Death Riders being what a tag match, trios match or.
Speaker 5: My if I had it my way, it would be.
Speaker 1: The Bank Bank Gang versus Death Writers minus Jay White
and John Moxley. They would have a singles match for
the Continental title and then some sort of uh stipulation
or hardcore match.
Speaker 2: But so like to be like four on four so
to be a man.
Speaker 6: Yeah, a little never want you never want to see
a double chain match ever again.
Speaker 1: In a thank you very much stinker of the night.
Speaker 5: Oh that was yeah.
Speaker 4: You know what when is a stadium? Yeah, maybe we
could see uh Stampede.
Speaker 1: And if it's because I don't think Finley and uh
Clark Connors and Gabe Kid are out of the picture either,
it could be a big yeah. In just a way
to get a lot of people on the show. It
could be a big multiman match and hopefully, like I said,
Jay White versus John Moxley, well.
Speaker 2: Don't forget something here. We just had redemption, and Valie,
I do want to get your opinion on John Moxley.
But I did want to bring this up before I forgot.
We just had redemption. We had no Darby Allen except
for in vignette. We had no Hangman at a page,
no Swerve strictly. There were others too, El Mercedes, monetf
They weren't in matches.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is she wasn't in a match. You know,
I mean you were there too. You didn't do you
didn't do crap in the show, you know what I mean?
You see, That's what I'm saying. She cared. That's it.
She cared, but you didn't care it not because because
that double chain match was awful. But don't forget these
people are gonna probably be it all In. Then you
also have you know, new day MotorCity machine Guns. Kyrie's saying,
who may show these all those groups may show up
in more so all In is not anywhere near set yet.
Put it out.
Speaker 4: I mean, you got to think for all in you know,
there's normally a men's and women's Christina Gauntlet.
Speaker 2: So I hope not this year. I really do. I
really hope that. I hope not. I think it's been
a little overdone with all the term with the owen
Hart and with the qualifiers for the uh Survival of
the Fittest, and you know, I just think that there's
just too much of that kind of stuff. You know,
let's let's just have straight up matches.
Speaker 4: I feel like it's a tradition. Tony Kohn wants to
establisht for all with.
Speaker 2: No I get it. I get that. I'm just saying
I wouldn't be upset if it didn't happen. But Bell,
did you have an opinion on the Moxley thing?
Speaker 3: Well, it was fun seeing again after Dynasty. So hmm,
what John Moxley will do at all? Maybe j White?
Speaker 2: Not necessarily at all, not necessarily all in it could
be tomorrow night. You know, what's the story which Will with.
Speaker 3: Will like, there's some explanation that needs to be that
needs to be done by Will and Kenny about what
their action were on Sunday and for Marx as well,
so it's going to be very interesting the next couple
of weeks in terms of storyline.
Speaker 2: When Will wins the AW World Championship at all In,
I'm really looking forward to seeing the prediction polls when
we put them up, probably about a week before the show,
because I think they're going to be lopsided as hell
for that match. But anyway, I mean, when Will beats
Kenny o'meghan wins the World Championship and all in, I
mean John Moxley's right there to challenge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, I think so. I think so.
Speaker 2: By the way, you know, speaking of all in, AW
Fano Bingo is coming back with five winners. Five people
will win the AW Bingo and win a free T
shirt of their choice courtesy of me, which I will
purchase for people at shop AW dot com. This will
be like the I don't know the fiftieth shirt that
I've give it away since an AW fan. It's ridiculous
when you think about much money I spent on sure,
it's but I love doing it. You know, Chris, you
got one. I did.
Speaker 4: I love my shirt a bunch of times.
Speaker 2: Viva Viva La Yeah, and of course tomorrow night on
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I wish Redemption was better, so this would have been
more positive episode. But you know, things like this happen.
You'll have this in small towns like Europe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was fun, it was fun going. But
just I just want to say I have a beef
to pick with Tomaso Champa. Please, for for the love
of God, do not ever, ever, ever put your hands
on you Pete again.
Speaker 2: I want to I was upset that the stuffing didn't
come out of you pe.
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Good night Eddie Kingdom
Speaker 5: Good night Kenny