WEBVTT 1 00:00:31.640 --> 00:00:34.679 Welcome to episode five sixty five of five and. 2 00:00:34.759 --> 00:00:38.399 Five Say that five times fast. It is Thursday, July 3 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:41.679 twenty third. I am your host, Craig Goldstein, joined as 4 00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:45.640 usual by Patrick Dubuke and Jeffery pattern Nostro, and I'm 5 00:00:45.640 --> 00:00:48.119 going to start off with some banter in that I'm 6 00:00:48.159 --> 00:00:52.799 a little I'm a little irritated, guys. I'm a little 7 00:00:52.799 --> 00:00:58.119 irritated because later today, shortly after we finished recording this podcast, 8 00:00:58.200 --> 00:00:59.920 I have to go to a camp performer. 9 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:05.239 It's for my eldest. When you say can't you do it? 10 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:10.599 Recurring theme on this podcast watching his kids. 11 00:01:11.959 --> 00:01:14.480 See yeah, I know it sounds like that and perhaps 12 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:18.480 is like that. But this is a three week camp. 13 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:21.879 Sure, okay, this is funny to put a show together 14 00:01:21.959 --> 00:01:23.400 like what it is. 15 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:25.040 It is the Thursday of the second week. 16 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:28.920 That's pushing it. 17 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:31.079 It is the Thursday of the second week. I have 18 00:01:31.120 --> 00:01:34.319 to attend six groups. Apparently they're going to sing two 19 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:37.760 it's six of the groups performing two songs. 20 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:41.319 I asked, you're getting a full concert. 21 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:45.799 I asked my son, what are you like? Is it dancing? Whatever? 22 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:50.200 And he said, it's very strenuously objected to the to 23 00:01:50.239 --> 00:01:53.879 the using dancing and said there are just movements. 24 00:01:54.280 --> 00:01:57.480 See, I hate it when they do that in these things. 25 00:01:57.519 --> 00:01:58.959 This is this is my feeling, is that. 26 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:02.519 But what I have to this is gonna take minimum 27 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:06.159 an hour, yeah, probably more just parking alone. 28 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:07.599 Parking alone is gonna be half an hour. 29 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:10.039 It's gonna be changeover, it's. 30 00:02:09.879 --> 00:02:15.159 Gonna be it's gonna be waters well, possibly two songs. 31 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:17.159 I don't even know if I don't even know if 32 00:02:17.159 --> 00:02:19.520 my kid is in multiple songs or it's just one 33 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:21.960 and there's another song I have to suffer for he's 34 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:24.360 only in one of the six gripts. He's in one 35 00:02:24.439 --> 00:02:26.080 of the six grips. That's correct. 36 00:02:26.360 --> 00:02:29.199 Yeah, you gotta stay to the end. It's so it's respectable. 37 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:33.479 But I can't just leave right. So, like what you're 38 00:02:33.520 --> 00:02:37.599 doing this on if every parent, every parent, the kid 39 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:40.000 possibly be worth anyone. 40 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:41.800 We're trying to live in a society here, correct. 41 00:02:41.800 --> 00:02:43.599 Man, I'm trying. 42 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:46.520 So it's so my take on this, and I've done 43 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:50.960 I've done this plenty of times. Sure. I hate that 44 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:55.000 they make the kids do hand movements or like it's something. 45 00:02:55.039 --> 00:02:57.680 It isn't dancing. What it is is it's like you 46 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:00.879 pat your shoulders and tap your head and do things 47 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:06.360 along with the music. We're making singing harder for kids 48 00:03:06.400 --> 00:03:08.039 who are already not really good. 49 00:03:08.439 --> 00:03:10.800 Also, it's not well sure, but it's not hard because 50 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:14.159 they're just they're not like they but there it's. 51 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:16.400 Rubbing your belly and patting your head at the same time. 52 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:18.560 For it for a six year old, it's like trying 53 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:21.000 to remember, there's. 54 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:22.840 A very solid chance my kid is just going to 55 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:27.400 mouth the words, oh yeah, So I have to be 56 00:03:27.639 --> 00:03:31.800 like what, I'm going to be there. I want to 57 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:33.599 be there for him. I want him to know I 58 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:38.240 support him, right, but I but I resent having to do. 59 00:03:38.199 --> 00:03:41.800 It in this context. But get ready to learn strap in, 60 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:43.439 get ready for recorders. 61 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:47.000 Because when you said I really want to be there 62 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:48.800 to support him, it did feel a little like baking 63 00:03:48.840 --> 00:03:51.840 the question based on everything else that I know. 64 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:53.759 Well, I felt like I needed to make it clear. 65 00:03:55.680 --> 00:03:58.039 I just I just resent the context in which I 66 00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:03.759 have to prove that that's Do you have any banter? Patrick? 67 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:07.240 Is it another deck? Well, I haven't. I haven't gotten 68 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:10.120 back to the deck. I finally, I finally just got 69 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:13.240 back home from my extended trip after an extended trip, 70 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:16.959 and I caught a fish. Oh congratulations. Yeah, I just 71 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:19.120 posted it in our Jupe group chat. You can see 72 00:04:19.160 --> 00:04:22.600 it is, uh, the first time I caught a fish 73 00:04:22.600 --> 00:04:24.800 in thirty years, which is also the first time I've 74 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:27.160 tried to catch a fish in thirty years. Okay, the 75 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:30.800 fish for the for the listener's home. On the smaller 76 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:33.439 side of things, I would say, I would say that 77 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:36.199 the fish is actually you know, you're supposed to measure 78 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:38.519 it by weight. If this fish weren't on the hook, 79 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:39.439 it would fly away. 80 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:43.199 Could you make it hole on the line? 81 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:48.319 So dis I was on a pier. No, I was 82 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:50.120 utterly surprised that there was a fish on the hook 83 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:53.399 when I real it back up, I actually miscast. I 84 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:56.560 was standing on a pier, and I miscast and actually 85 00:04:56.600 --> 00:04:59.079 threw it, like I slung the lure into like a 86 00:04:59.120 --> 00:05:01.800 little hole in the pier down by like one of 87 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:04.319 the and that's where you found that the supports. And yeah, 88 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:06.199 I pulled it. I'm like trying. I'm just making sure 89 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:09.839 I'm not like getting it caught, pulling it out instead, 90 00:05:10.199 --> 00:05:11.279 it's just a fish on there. 91 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:14.360 Well, congratulations, yeah, thank you, thank you. 92 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:16.920 I mean, like, I'm sure this is a you know, 93 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:19.839 there's a checklist somewhere. Yeah, I just checked something off 94 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:23.519 of I know, well I should be. I would be. 95 00:05:23.639 --> 00:05:25.839 I would be too, I got a fish. It doesn't 96 00:05:25.959 --> 00:05:28.720 like when I say I caught a fish. I can 97 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:31.199 just you don't have to continue. You can just be like, yeah, 98 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:34.199 I got a fish, and that's that's it. Let the imagination. 99 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:35.920 You keep saying I caught a fish, and I'm hearing 100 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:38.079 in the cadence I read we bought a zoo. 101 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:44.120 Felix did catch a fish as well. His fish was 102 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:50.000 about twice as big as mine, which was positive. Oh yeah, yeah, 103 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:50.800 he was thrilled. 104 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:53.560 On our on our vacation, we did a we did 105 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:57.319 a glass bottom boat tour and you can see some 106 00:05:57.399 --> 00:05:59.879 turtles and stuff and the guys who running it all. 107 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:02.199 So just fish off the back of the entire time. 108 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:05.120 And so, uh my older one got to pull in 109 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:10.399 a fish and was absolutely be nice. Yeah it wasn't 110 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:13.120 really fishing, you know, like he didn't really like, Yeah, 111 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:14.160 the guy. 112 00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:18.600 With a fishing pool he bought at a garage show 113 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:21.439 like a couple months ago. So like, very very pleased. 114 00:06:22.839 --> 00:06:25.639 I will say that he caught the fish on the 115 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:31.160 very first like cast he did and that's very much 116 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:35.240 like winning on the first pull tab you ever played 117 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:39.720 in your life. Like it's probably setting unrealistic expectations for 118 00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:40.519 the rest of his life. 119 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:47.439 As far as no, absolutely disappointment. Yeah, Jeffrey, any banter. 120 00:06:48.600 --> 00:06:51.279 Come back from the Natural History Museum yesterday with the 121 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:56.839 kid stopped at the Italian market. First mistake I made 122 00:06:57.040 --> 00:06:58.759 was going to the Italian market while hungry. 123 00:06:59.319 --> 00:06:59.800 Mm hmmm. 124 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:02.319 The second mistake I made was letting the kid try 125 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:05.600 one of the small free samples of the on the 126 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:06.720 bone I Baryco. 127 00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:09.879 Ham oh well, in honor of Spain's victory. 128 00:07:10.079 --> 00:07:12.720 Sure, she decided she likes that ham a lot and 129 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:14.279 wanted me to get it, and I said, we're not 130 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:17.360 getting that ham. I did not include the part where 131 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:18.759 it is two hundred dollars a pound. 132 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:24.160 You've got to give it one day and then give 133 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:26.879 her normal ham. And then they'll be like, yeah, this 134 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:29.920 was the ham. That's the same Yeah, yeah, I mean 135 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:33.199 prime gaslighting material right there. 136 00:07:33.879 --> 00:07:36.079 Yeah. You just be like, this is the same, this 137 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:40.360 is actually the same ham, and she'll say no, it's not, 138 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:43.480 and you just it is, actually it's the same ham. 139 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:45.839 It's just it's the setting when anything else. I mean 140 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:48.839 it tasted better there here at home. Ham tastes like ham. 141 00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:51.480 You have to goat places for food to taste good. 142 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:53.600 That's the that's the way it works. That's right. 143 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:57.519 Everything is influenced by by the context that surrounds it. 144 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:00.959 On that note, why don't we start the show. We'll 145 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:06.439 get into our first topic. Bird demic. The blue Jays, 146 00:08:06.600 --> 00:08:11.920 my beloved blue Jays. They only act like this when 147 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:17.000 they're very sick. They've lost six of seven. They are 148 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:23.079 now nine under. That puts them, somehow, only six and 149 00:08:23.079 --> 00:08:29.360 a half back of the last wild card spot. It's 150 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:30.920 it's not going well. 151 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:35.039 Their teen ops plus is eighty five. I don't know 152 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:39.000 that's possible. Every time I hear about a player doing 153 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:40.720 well for them, I look at their line and like 154 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:44.399 it's maybe legue average. Like you know, Brandon mellens Wale 155 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:46.960 has been a great surprise. He has a seven to 156 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:47.840 twenty one ops. 157 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:51.240 Yeah. He's a very good defensive catcher. 158 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:53.600 Yeah, fantastic and the league average catcher. 159 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:56.720 Well, and when they acquired him, when they acquired him 160 00:08:56.720 --> 00:09:02.559 for Will Wagner, it looked like this this wasn't even feasible, right, 161 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:05.799 Like he was like we're talking about like an eighty 162 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:08.879 ops plus catcher or something like that. So it's it's 163 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:10.240 a nice surprise. 164 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:13.039 It's a nice surprise. Let's see what's he been hitting 165 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:16.759 in July. In July, Yeah, he has been hitting one 166 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:19.919 eighty two two seventeen three eighteen. Sure, so I've heard of. 167 00:09:19.919 --> 00:09:22.440 What I would have expected from Brendan Valenvela, you. 168 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:25.720 Know, and then Cosmo A. Kamoto, you know, leading the 169 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:28.279 team in home runs and more than doubling anyone else 170 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:32.279 two twenty six, three nine four like that. 171 00:09:32.440 --> 00:09:33.679 July season. 172 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:36.600 That's the season. Yeah, that's the season. Not that that 173 00:09:36.799 --> 00:09:37.320 not recent. 174 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:40.919 They have two they have two above average regulars. They 175 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:44.120 are at one O three and one o two ops plus. 176 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:48.399 Yeah, the the player, the regular, the regular with the 177 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:51.559 best OPS plus on the team. We're not counting Luis 178 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:58.279 Rias uh below replacement level. His is Sanchez, right, Uh yeah, No, 179 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:05.480 it's it's falling apart. They've basically got you know, and 180 00:10:05.639 --> 00:10:10.039 and so if they are selling right and it sounds 181 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:12.039 like that, I mean I've seen a lot of stuff 182 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:13.039 around Kevin Gosman. 183 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:15.399 Yeah, we're hearing about Kevin Gosman's it is. 184 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:18.080 The expiring context right, So like they're gonna run it 185 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:20.320 back next year. They have to. There's too much. 186 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:23.399 There's nothing else they can there's nothing else they can do, right, there's. 187 00:10:23.600 --> 00:10:26.240 It's so essentially it's Gotsman who has like eight teams 188 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:28.720 on the snow trade contract, cause none of which he 189 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:32.799 would actually trade be traded to right right, And then uh, 190 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:35.440 and then you've got var Show. 191 00:10:36.279 --> 00:10:42.919 And barshow is a free agent already huh Yeah. 192 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:43.360 And there is also a free agent. I don't know 193 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:46.720 that any team is going to go hard after him. 194 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:48.720 I don't think they'd get a lot for him. 195 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:52.679 But I mean, do you consider trading like Louis Barland 196 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:55.320 like you might never have Like I think it's part 197 00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:57.840 of the argument for the Mets trading Luke Weaver. I 198 00:10:57.879 --> 00:11:00.279 think Luke Weaver will be a good reliever next year. 199 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:04.159 There's like risk and any I think will be a 200 00:11:04.159 --> 00:11:06.320 good reliever. But you're treating him at a point where 201 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:08.679 you know he's probably not going to be a two 202 00:11:08.679 --> 00:11:10.879 era reliever. He hasn't really pitched like a two era 203 00:11:11.039 --> 00:11:12.600 reliever under the hood. He might be like a two 204 00:11:12.639 --> 00:11:16.840 point nine oh e a reliever. But yeah, and it 205 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:18.240 is good. You want to have that guy, but you 206 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:19.000 might be able to. 207 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:24.120 I think in general you want to. I'm generally in 208 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:27.799 favor of this. I think with with Varland, who I 209 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:34.519 believe to be actually good and also he next year 210 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:38.000 will be his final year of free art. Yeah, so 211 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:40.879 they have a lot of control on him. I understand 212 00:11:40.879 --> 00:11:44.360 it's control on a reliever. I do get that, but 213 00:11:45.759 --> 00:11:49.559 I don't know unless you're getting an absolute haul, which 214 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:51.559 maybe you could for the year he's having in the 215 00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:55.720 amount of control he has, I don't. I mean, you 216 00:11:55.759 --> 00:11:58.320 go go back and look at what Lucas Ursa returned. 217 00:11:58.639 --> 00:11:59.440 It wasn't that good. 218 00:11:59.720 --> 00:12:02.080 Yeah, right, and that was five years and he looked 219 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:02.559 good too. 220 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:04.840 What there's also the A's making that trade at the 221 00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:05.919 time when they were trading like. 222 00:12:06.120 --> 00:12:10.960 Sure, but I guess I'm if you go back to 223 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:13.879 what Patrick said about they're going to run it back 224 00:12:14.080 --> 00:12:18.559 next year, you need someone in the bullpen, sure, and 225 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:21.720 it's going to be more expensive than pre r Louis Arland. Now, well, 226 00:12:21.879 --> 00:12:24.840 Louis Arland have this season again, maybe probably not, I mean, 227 00:12:25.320 --> 00:12:28.240 but I do think he's good as a as a pitcher, 228 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:31.840 and their bullpen has been a problem repeatedly in years 229 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:36.080 they've tried to compete. So one of the ways your 230 00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:39.039 successful team is finding cheap guys in the bullpen. This 231 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:41.879 is still a cheap guy in the bullpen, right, sure, 232 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:45.200 Like you can't like this otherwise you're gonna have to 233 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:47.120 replace him on the free agent market, and that's not. 234 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:51.000 Really resources either. I think you should consider it, right, Like. 235 00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:53.879 I think it's if you get bowled over, I think 236 00:12:53.879 --> 00:12:56.440 that's tige. I think in this particular situation, right, you're 237 00:12:56.480 --> 00:13:00.279 what you're worried about missing on Bednar, But the Highs 238 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:02.559 were not ever going to be competitive? Was the tracy 239 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:04.639 part right in that window? 240 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:06.240 Yeah? I mean, I guess the question is are the 241 00:13:06.279 --> 00:13:07.799 j is going to be competitive next year? 242 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:11.399 What? I think they have to believe they will? Sure, 243 00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:12.440 I don't. 244 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:17.519 I don't know. They have a they have a better 245 00:13:17.919 --> 00:13:21.799 base to start from than the pirates a lot of 246 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:22.960 those Pirates teams. 247 00:13:23.039 --> 00:13:29.440 Sure, and look and then like, I mean, so the 248 00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:31.919 the actual issue here, and I didn't put it in 249 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:35.639 the document to put it in the dock, is what 250 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:40.440 is blad Guerra going forward? Yes, yeah, because that's like 251 00:13:40.519 --> 00:13:44.080 if you're saying the competitive next year, like and look, 252 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:47.799 obviously like they bubbish at walk and didn't really replace him. 253 00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:50.360 I with Okamoto, who hasn't been he's been better than. 254 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:57.000 Last year, sure, who has been phenomenal. 255 00:13:56.600 --> 00:14:02.919 Right, but like the fight, the highest ops plus on 256 00:14:02.960 --> 00:14:05.080 this here is one oh three is like an indictment 257 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:08.559 of lad season and Lad doesn't want or to either, 258 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:14.039 So no, I mean he's right, Like, but he goes 259 00:14:14.080 --> 00:14:15.759 through seasons like this, hits the ball on the ground 260 00:14:15.799 --> 00:14:18.600 too much, right, But it also doesn't look like it's 261 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:20.759 he slugs four thirty when he does this, He doesn't 262 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:22.320 slug what is it three fifty now? 263 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:25.480 Yeah, exactly at his career average. 264 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:28.440 Yeah, there's something else going would prefer it to be better, 265 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:30.879 but yeah, but like he's had a good season doing 266 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:34.759 this before. Yeah, And like I mean the problem, Like 267 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:37.840 I guess this is part and partil right, Like if 268 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:40.679 you have to believe they're going to be competitive next year, 269 00:14:40.679 --> 00:14:43.519 you also have to believe that Lad will be you know, 270 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:47.480 something like down BALLID MVP Lad. 271 00:14:49.279 --> 00:14:51.480 Yeah, I don't. 272 00:14:53.080 --> 00:14:57.919 I don't want to just labor under a delusion, right, 273 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:01.600 but we also know he ten at twenty eight years old, 274 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:03.879 he should be able to be better than this. If 275 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:09.279 he's just this you're if this is what he is 276 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:12.000 going forward and you just accepted that, I mean, what 277 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:15.200 do you do I don't like, yeah, he only I 278 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:17.720 think you do kind of have to labor under the 279 00:15:17.759 --> 00:15:21.679 delusion that it could look different next year. 280 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:24.799 Yeah, Like he's chasing a lot more than needed last year. 281 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:27.919 But he has had seasons where he's chased this much before. 282 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:31.080 He has not had seasons where he's chased this much 283 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:32.720 and made this much contact out of his. 284 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:35.080 Own right, Yeah, I think that's part of the Yeah. 285 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:38.320 Yeah, that's I think the issue. You would like him 286 00:15:38.320 --> 00:15:40.840 to chase last regardless, but like, not only is he 287 00:15:40.919 --> 00:15:41.799 making it like it's. 288 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:45.639 I see, he's actually yeah, making more contact. 289 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:48.960 Yes, and like his averagects of velocity is ninety, which 290 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:53.480 is still above average, but also significantly down from his 291 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:56.919 peak averagects. So he's making a lot of bad ground 292 00:15:56.960 --> 00:15:57.559 ball contact. 293 00:15:57.840 --> 00:16:01.320 He's hitting with slugging two twenty eight on out his 294 00:16:01.399 --> 00:16:03.919 own pitches. Yeah, he is not the kind of hitter 295 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:06.879 who wants to be hitting pitches outside of the zone, 296 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:07.919 who should be trying to. 297 00:16:09.679 --> 00:16:10.759 Well, he definitely wants to. 298 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:13.679 No, he had stopped it, Like, I'm not sure if 299 00:16:13.679 --> 00:16:15.639 he does it's not like a terrible chase, right, But 300 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:18.600 the problem is like that, I don't know how that 301 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:21.440 compares two league average, right, but I assume. 302 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:25.000 So you just you cannot tell me he would like 303 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:28.399 it to shouldn't Beah doesn't want to be hitting pitches 304 00:16:28.399 --> 00:16:29.960 out of this. You cannot tell. 305 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:33.840 Me he uh he It should be a smaller percentage 306 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:36.600 of his total contact than it probably, Yes, that's part 307 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:38.799 of it. When he's hitting one ninety on those too many, it. 308 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:41.039 Feels like an outlier. It feels like this is something 309 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:43.600 like it's he's never made this much contact outside the 310 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:49.279 zone before it. He's probably need to get him like strike. 311 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:51.080 One on these, you know, back in the hitting lab 312 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:53.000 and do a hard reset or something. 313 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:58.120 Look, he's slugging four fifteen on fast falls. 314 00:17:01.320 --> 00:17:04.640 Yeah, yeah, I don't. I mean, I don't know. All 315 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:06.720 that can do is sit there heavily, like I don't know. 316 00:17:09.319 --> 00:17:11.839 Again, he has had seasons like this and then bounce back, 317 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:14.599 right like He's been very for his for what is 318 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:18.680 generally speaking a fairly stable skill set. It ferries a 319 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:26.920 fair bit within season from season to season. I mean, 320 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:31.440 but like this is all like this is always like 321 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:37.000 kind of earned like, I don't think he's been unlucky 322 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:42.559 per se, right, Like, right, I mean he's been unlucky 323 00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:44.599 that he's making that much contact up just outside of them, 324 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:46.200 But he's trying to. Right, when you're swinging a pitch 325 00:17:46.240 --> 00:17:48.200 outside of his own, you are trying to hit it 326 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:50.119 like or at least fell it off. 327 00:17:53.279 --> 00:17:54.960 Yeah, I mean, but he's gonna. 328 00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:57.960 Be the lynch, Like who's going to be the and 329 00:17:58.039 --> 00:17:59.559 like even if he's good, Like, sure, who's your second 330 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:03.119 best hitter? Said Okamoto? Is Anthony Santander ever coming back? 331 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:05.559 Like can they afford? 332 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:09.640 Like there's not There have been so many investments, Yeah, 333 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:19.480 a necessarily awful that have just gone awful here. I 334 00:18:19.519 --> 00:18:22.480 mean some Tander it was. It was a lot of money, 335 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:24.279 It was a lot of years, but it was spread 336 00:18:24.319 --> 00:18:26.039 out in a way that I actually thought, oh that's 337 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:28.279 not that's really not and there's a lot deferred. 338 00:18:28.359 --> 00:18:30.599 Right. It just wasn't that bad. 339 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:36.359 Overall, you know, Jose Barrios, I didn't love it when 340 00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:40.519 they went there, but like it's it's amazing how little 341 00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:43.799 they've gotten for that. There are a lot of contracts 342 00:18:43.799 --> 00:18:45.240 that don't go the way you want them to, but 343 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:52.240 you get something it is. It is shocking how exactly 344 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:59.640 how little they've gotten from deals like Santander and Jose Burrios. 345 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:03.240 You know, you could argue, you know, someone well, I'm 346 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:06.200 sure debate about whether Springer lived up to his deal. 347 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:11.039 Springer gave them several very good seasons. Yeah, it was 348 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:13.559 to shape those two deals. 349 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:16.000 Than you expected. But you got probably about as many 350 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:18.440 good Springer seasons you expect on that deal. Right, it 351 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:20.359 wasn't the price that's three but like. 352 00:19:20.359 --> 00:19:21.599 Yeah, but it was. 353 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:23.759 Maybe the third one was not, but you know, you 354 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:25.160 got to the World Series in it, so you can't 355 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:26.400 even say it was poorly timed. 356 00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:29.240 I mean, he has put up let's say. 357 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:33.480 But but Barrios and and santan there have been absolute 358 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:36.400 zerous Now look at me again, expected on a third 359 00:19:36.440 --> 00:19:39.079 good Springer season, maybe santan there does come back and 360 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:41.000 give them, give them something on the back half of 361 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:42.799 the deal. It's not how it normally happens. 362 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:45.960 Right, He's put up fourteen wins, one hundred and fifty 363 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:49.519 million dollars contract, Like that's like you would have hoped 364 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:51.160 for better than that. But it's also not like a 365 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:53.960 disaster by any stretch. And he also like clustered it 366 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:56.319 generally being good or unavailable. 367 00:19:56.200 --> 00:19:58.960 Right, right, so there are like backfills. 368 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:00.599 I mean he had won like two twenty twenty four, 369 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:02.680 he was bad and played one hundred and forty five games. 370 00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:03.799 That's like the only. 371 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:13.920 Yeah, yeah, I think I think this losing streak does 372 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:15.559 provide this group some clarity. 373 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:17.759 Sure, I think so. 374 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:22.640 They're also all recently signed extensions, so they have the 375 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:25.559 there's not really like a principal agent problem here, Like 376 00:20:25.599 --> 00:20:29.279 they can make they're trying to do. Right, they can 377 00:20:29.319 --> 00:20:31.599 trade for a guy in low a, right and part 378 00:20:31.640 --> 00:20:33.480 of their cell trade and be like, okay, he's going 379 00:20:33.559 --> 00:20:36.359 to be, yeah, part of the next team. 380 00:20:36.559 --> 00:20:39.480 We're just here to the to the point of this discussion, 381 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:42.119 it is short term clarity because next year, next year 382 00:20:42.160 --> 00:20:44.079 becomes a hard solve. I mean, this is what's been 383 00:20:44.119 --> 00:20:47.039 fascinating to me about the Blue Jays for for years now, 384 00:20:47.200 --> 00:20:51.400 right was was it was Bushett and Guerrero first and like, 385 00:20:51.480 --> 00:20:53.960 can you can you capitalize on the window? And then 386 00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:56.960 they they they did capitalize on the window the one 387 00:20:57.039 --> 00:20:59.799 year they could, you know, they had left to do it. 388 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:03.880 Obviously they extended Guerrero, but but Schett, Walks and and 389 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:07.359 the team changed. And look to their credit, they've they've 390 00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:11.400 made moves to be competitive that they have not. Yeah, 391 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:14.200 and they were on the field more than off field. 392 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:17.400 Right, They followed you know, they followed a World Series 393 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:22.680 appearance with signing Dylan's right to get them a second 394 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:26.599 like and because like their rotation was a little they needed. 395 00:21:27.440 --> 00:21:31.200 They wouldn't even be close to here right without Dylan 396 00:21:31.480 --> 00:21:32.519 has been phenomenal. 397 00:21:32.599 --> 00:21:36.720 Right, you look, you going into the season expecting Cosmond 398 00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:41.400 c Snya Savage to study the ship and the second 399 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:43.759 most starts on this year, second most games, well it's 400 00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:46.440 like the third most starts tied for this year he's 401 00:21:46.480 --> 00:21:51.200 been Patrick Corbyn, which I think just said like where's 402 00:21:51.279 --> 00:21:57.599 the Definitely they started laur for a while he was bad. Yeah, 403 00:21:57.640 --> 00:22:01.759 they lost Cody, they lost Bieber, was hurt for a 404 00:22:01.799 --> 00:22:03.440 lot of the year, and they're not good. Sure's there 405 00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:04.799 has been hurt for a lot of the year and 406 00:22:04.839 --> 00:22:07.000 not good again. I don't think these are things that 407 00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:13.599 are unforeseeable. But they also you know, they traded some 408 00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:15.480 of the guys that you thought might be back though 409 00:22:16.519 --> 00:22:18.640 when they were buying at the deadline. Obviously cal Stephan 410 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:24.079 ended up getting hurt, but you know they have they 411 00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:26.960 have arms coming. Like I think Nolan Perry is already 412 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:29.200 in double A. He also just got hit in the 413 00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:35.720 head by one hundred mile an hour comebacker. But yeah, uh, 414 00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:36.839 you know there are. 415 00:22:36.839 --> 00:22:39.519 Some he is that was in his second start in 416 00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:44.400 double A. Yeah, now he is averaging four innings and change. 417 00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:46.920 He's coming off surgery. So that's part of the reason. 418 00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:48.400 I mean, it's part of it. You know, it's just 419 00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:50.079 how we develop pictures now. But part of it is 420 00:22:50.119 --> 00:22:54.240 he is first falsely soft surgery, and like you know, 421 00:22:54.279 --> 00:22:56.200 he was going to be on track for something like 422 00:22:56.200 --> 00:22:57.839 I don't know if we'll get there now, like eighty or 423 00:22:57.920 --> 00:22:59.880 ninety innings this year, so you could wrap him up 424 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:04.119 year to one thirty or so. It's like a starter 425 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:06.079 in the rotation. At some point you can manage the 426 00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:07.400 innings to have them for the second half of the 427 00:23:07.480 --> 00:23:12.400 year or something like. They have options here, you know, 428 00:23:12.440 --> 00:23:15.359 pitching is one thing they can go out on this 429 00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:20.559 free agent market and get to, you know, easier than 430 00:23:20.599 --> 00:23:21.640 the Bats. 431 00:23:23.359 --> 00:23:25.480 I don't think they're going to go get Terrek's Scoogle. 432 00:23:25.839 --> 00:23:29.920 I don't either. They might get Freddy Baralta, right like that's. 433 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:32.920 Maybe they also, I mean, look they've they've been top 434 00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:33.480 of market. 435 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:35.839 Yeah, they have been, like they went on got Dylan Cease, right, 436 00:23:35.839 --> 00:23:38.640 So you can't say they were how many times where 437 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:40.519 they do that or will do that because they can do. 438 00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:42.960 It one of the last two teams on Otani they've 439 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:44.200 been I mean they have been in. 440 00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:49.079 On every Alonso like they have been. Yeah. 441 00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:51.680 Name so I don't think I don't think they're going 442 00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:54.720 to do it because they have Cease and you Savage, 443 00:23:54.759 --> 00:24:00.400 but arguably, I mean Cease goes to the post. Savage 444 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:04.799 has missed a lot of time. Arguably they could use it, right, 445 00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:07.599 I mean Patrick Corbyn has is the fourth starter here. 446 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:12.519 So I hadn't be looking. 447 00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:14.880 If they're interested, they will be, They will be in 448 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:17.119 the mix, I would say. I I don't know if 449 00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:20.519 they'll be as interested as some other teams, but if. 450 00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:25.319 They are, if out and I was just looking to 451 00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:28.799 see refresh my memory and how their hitters are doing this, 452 00:24:28.880 --> 00:24:31.480 you're they're minor leaguers in general. And I did come 453 00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:41.640 across this incredible name in Dunedin, Giackanino las Aresina. Oh yeah, I. 454 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:43.240 Need to hear Dan Shulman say that. 455 00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:53.119 All right, let's move to another scuffling team with a 456 00:24:53.119 --> 00:24:56.079 bird logo. No, it is not my Orioles, not yet. 457 00:24:56.400 --> 00:25:01.240 They broke the Red Sox winter. They final they finally 458 00:25:01.319 --> 00:25:02.279 gave the Red Sox. 459 00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:05.079 Ended their win streak, and then they ended slightly later, 460 00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:07.559 they ended the Red Sox win streak. 461 00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:12.319 It is the Saint Louis Cardinals. Yeah, they've lost five 462 00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:15.880 of six h R two of the updated. 463 00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:17.880 I have no idea if they won last night. Oh 464 00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:21.960 they lost four inner of five of six. I standing 465 00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:23.000 up for a Cardinals lane. 466 00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:28.119 They won last night. Yeah, they've lost five of seven 467 00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:32.920 and two of those were walk offs. 468 00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:34.519 Yeah. 469 00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:37.400 Uh and two losses including a walk off loss, I 470 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:38.400 believe to the Angels. 471 00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:39.640 Yeah, not what you want. 472 00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:41.599 It's it's not what you want. 473 00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:50.400 They are now a half game back along with Pittsburgh, 474 00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:52.759 one game ahead of both Miami and Washington. 475 00:25:52.839 --> 00:25:54.160 Miami now feels like the. 476 00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:56.839 Yeah, that's they're gonna win. They're gonna win seventy eight 477 00:25:56.839 --> 00:25:57.359 games again. 478 00:25:57.440 --> 00:26:04.480 And yeah, yeah, I mean the Cardinals are. They're here. 479 00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:07.119 It feels this more than any other team, feels like 480 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:09.319 a team that could just be happy with what it's. 481 00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:11.880 They are in the low Ebb of their bouncing between 482 00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:14.279 three over and seven over right now, I mean I 483 00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:16.200 get closer to seven over again at some point. It's 484 00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:20.759 not impossible, but you know it does. Yeah, we know 485 00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:24.039 the Blue Jays are going to sell because they're a 486 00:26:24.079 --> 00:26:25.559 ways out now, Like, what do you do? We talked 487 00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:27.000 about it a little bit recently, But what do you 488 00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:28.759 do for the Cardinals? I know Patrick thinks they're going 489 00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:33.039 to sell regardless, but perhaps they. 490 00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:35.480 Also have too much to sell. Sure it's just Dustin 491 00:26:35.559 --> 00:26:40.559 May and maybe, like I still like trading Riley O'Brien, 492 00:26:40.599 --> 00:26:44.039 because you should trade every reliever like they're on expiring contract. 493 00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:44.880 Especially when they're thirty one. 494 00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:48.319 Especially when they're thirty one and you know no longer. 495 00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:51.160 You know now that the walk rates up closer to four, 496 00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:55.640 I we get out on that as quickly as possible. 497 00:26:55.720 --> 00:27:01.160 But yeah, like I just the big question was where 498 00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:03.279 they were gonna Like if they don't do anything at 499 00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:06.559 the deadline, I wouldn't be shocked, It wouldn't be surprised 500 00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:08.960 if they just pretend it didn't happen right at the 501 00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:11.160 rest of the season, call it a success and move on. 502 00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:13.319 They're not gonna get enough to Dustin May. The people 503 00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:15.519 are gonna get mad that they didn't capitalize on the 504 00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:20.200 expiring costume contract to Dustin May. Right, I don't know 505 00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:21.720 if it's even worth Like. 506 00:27:24.319 --> 00:27:26.720 The whole signing for him was to move him at 507 00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:29.079 the deadline. I don't know. Yeah, I think you're right 508 00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:31.200 that they may do very little, but I think it 509 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:33.319 could look if you also if you ship out Dustin 510 00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:36.160 May and get something of interest and then call up 511 00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:38.559 Quinn Matthews who has been on one of his better 512 00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:41.279 runs that can fall apart any time, to be clear, 513 00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:43.559 but has been on one of his better runs. You know, 514 00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:45.559 I don't think teams are going to be unhappy about 515 00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:46.799 or fans are going to be unhappy. 516 00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:50.000 Probably not. I don't think fans are gonna Yeah, they're 517 00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:52.200 got to be pretty happy to matter what. Right, Yes, 518 00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:56.799 this is a percentile outcome for the Cardinals. Yeah, I 519 00:27:56.880 --> 00:28:00.759 mean Lars new Bars there, he's Yeah, he's been hitting 520 00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:01.319 fairly well. 521 00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:05.279 There's got to be someone who can use you know, 522 00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:08.119 we didn't mention him, I think in the right up 523 00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:09.799 you did on the Red Sox. But you know, if 524 00:28:09.799 --> 00:28:19.039 they're looking for a left fielder, but. 525 00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:19.960 He's also left candidate, which is not ideal nor deal 526 00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:20.359 with it. 527 00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:25.440 But might be an upgrade on Duran, although I know 528 00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:28.799 Duran was was the the big hitter in their last 529 00:28:28.799 --> 00:28:30.960 game of their win streak. Yeah, I don't know. I 530 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:34.000 think I think you're right that they could do very little. 531 00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:38.920 I think it's going to be on the margins, let's say, 532 00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:42.440 but it was also designed to be on the margins anyway, right, 533 00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:45.799 Like this season even if it didn't go this well, 534 00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:48.759 you're talking about the same guys, right, It's it's Noot 535 00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:52.160 bar and and May and guys of that ilk rather 536 00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:53.880 than any kind of corky. 537 00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:55.240 This is I think meant to be like you know, 538 00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:57.119 evaluation season, right. 539 00:28:57.240 --> 00:28:59.359 Everybody either turned out to be too good to trade 540 00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:02.839 or worth trading, Like Nolan Gorman. Yeah, like you needed 541 00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:06.759 the Nolan Gorman like league average line so that some 542 00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:09.000 other team think could think they could fix him. Yeah, 543 00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:10.079 sad he's in triple A. 544 00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:15.079 I mean you've come awa come away with jj Weatherhall. 545 00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:17.519 Looks like he's a star. It's like a weird shape 546 00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:21.319 of a star, but it's still a star. And like, okay, 547 00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:24.920 Jordan Walker can stay around. That might be really good now, right, 548 00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:28.000 Like just getting those two things out of the season. 549 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:29.599 I think make them an not positive for going forward 550 00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:32.200 because there's a team Like part of this is they're 551 00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:34.359 in the NL Central and the Jason in the AL East. 552 00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:38.079 It's easier for me to see the outline of the 553 00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:42.319 competitive Cardinals twenty twenty seven team. I think. I think 554 00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:44.000 they have to do They have to do stuff, don't 555 00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:45.839 get me wrong, but they have to do less. There's 556 00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:46.640 less of like an. 557 00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:50.240 Overall, Yeah, they don't need four pitchers now, Yeah, they've 558 00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:52.400 needed every year for the last half decade. 559 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:54.039 I feel like, and they're a year they're like a 560 00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:56.680 year closer to getting well, they're a year closer to 561 00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.680 getting or a season closer to getting twin Quinn Matthews 562 00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:05.079 and and Lean Doyle and Tanner Franklin Install. 563 00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:06.480 People want to. 564 00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:09.559 Find out this year a little bit more about Matthews, right, 565 00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:11.920 I think sure it would be good to see him, 566 00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:17.119 see him for in August right where you can get us. 567 00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:18.599 I'm sure it will be after. 568 00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:20.519 The if they trade new Bar you might see Josh 569 00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:22.440 biez To, which would be good to see what he 570 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:25.000 can do against major league pitching. 571 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:26.559 But like. 572 00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:30.799 I mean, Patrick, like you're saying, you don't need necessarily 573 00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:33.720 need poor Patrick, but like Michael McGreevey has had a 574 00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:37.079 great season and also struck out six or nine. Do 575 00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:39.400 you do you have confidence in Michael McGreevy. 576 00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:42.480 Is he a playoff starter? Is that the question? Okay? 577 00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:44.200 I mean that was like your tea. I actually really 578 00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:46.200 I love your t a that one on the site 579 00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:49.079 today and and you talked about the British extension a 580 00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:50.680 little bit. What we talked about on the on the 581 00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:53.160 podcast basically is he a playoff starter? He's not a 582 00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:56.480 playoff starter. Payante is not a playoff starter. That Liberatory 583 00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:58.519 is not a playoffs star is gone? 584 00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:03.880 Kyle Lay, I'm sorry, he's not a playoffs start. 585 00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:06.920 Fine, I said, he's not interesting. He's not a playoff starter. 586 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:09.319 He's like the he's if you're starting four games, maybe 587 00:31:09.319 --> 00:31:11.880 he's your fourth, which is also true of McGreevy. Maybe 588 00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:13.920 I'm not trying to say that they're they're that different. 589 00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:19.079 But if Laboratory can can get his walk right back 590 00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:23.279 down into the don't well he was two point four 591 00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:23.799 last year. 592 00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:27.160 Yeah, he starts the season and he's at five point 593 00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:27.559 one eight. 594 00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:33.680 This is this is Brendan fot zone. Yeah, he's the 595 00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:35.400 only guy with the strikeouts. 596 00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:39.920 You're talking about walks. He's a lot one hundred twelve hits, and. 597 00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:41.000 That is you know the problem, and you can't really 598 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:44.039 blame the Cardinals defense for that either. 599 00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:48.200 No, no, I again no, no, None of these guys 600 00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:50.759 are I mean, I think maybe one of them turns 601 00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:54.079 out to be one. One one of the four guys 602 00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:56.720 takes a step forward. Like Hunter Dobbins has. 603 00:31:56.599 --> 00:31:58.079 Been pretty good. 604 00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:01.960 He come. I still don't really know why they couldn't 605 00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:03.880 find a spot of rotation for him in all year, 606 00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:05.079 but he seems fine. 607 00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:07.599 I think Dick fitzaxt year starters. 608 00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:12.200 Yeah, Richard right, Dobbins and Fits will have well factor in. 609 00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:15.240 But again, like they they probably do need to go 610 00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:18.079 out and acquire a play like a number two starter, right, 611 00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:22.079 like they have an of because you're not like Doyle 612 00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:25.119 and Franklin won't be up to start, right. You know, 613 00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:27.319 by the time you're looking to call them up, they 614 00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:29.240 might be nearing an inning's cap. And maybe you want 615 00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:32.039 to bring Franklin up as a late season reliever anyway, 616 00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:36.160 obviously relieved in college, but you know you do need 617 00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:40.880 for like you know, April first, twenty twenty seven, some 618 00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:43.240 pictures of some type right for more picture. 619 00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:47.960 Yeah, Kevin Gosman would look good here if you could 620 00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:50.519 be sure that he would stay Kevin Cosmin because he's like, 621 00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:51.480 yeah nine. 622 00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:55.079 Or that's the risk, like he's yeah, he's trending obviously older. 623 00:32:56.359 --> 00:32:57.240 But that level. 624 00:32:57.079 --> 00:33:00.559 Number two starter would would fit really well. And you're 625 00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:03.319 talking about you're talking about Sonny Gray. 626 00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:09.559 Yeah, actually is who is a free agent. He knows 627 00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:13.400 the area, he knows how the restaurants are exactly. That's 628 00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:14.000 the best place you. 629 00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:14.640 Have fried. 630 00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:18.039 The pitching is, isn't it toasted? 631 00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:20.160 Toasted? Rare? 632 00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:22.279 Right? And you do both. You can toast it and 633 00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:25.440 then fry it. Nick Martinez will be a free agent, and. 634 00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:27.839 That's extremely Cardinals. 635 00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:30.279 Actually it is good. Well, it used to be and 636 00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:33.759 might now be. It's confusing whether it still is it 637 00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:34.079 is not. 638 00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:39.079 Yeah, I don't know, guys. This list is uh, you know, 639 00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:42.119 Michael King interesting if if he opts. 640 00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:44.000 Out, Yeah, I think he probably will. 641 00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:49.920 Obviously you have Schooble. I don't think they're there, Robbie Ray, 642 00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:52.359 Zach Gallen, Osman. 643 00:33:55.400 --> 00:34:06.599 They're very capable. They're very capable of saying signing Jamison Tivetta. 644 00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:09.280 And that is anyone really what's that is anyone capable 645 00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:10.280 of signing Jameson. 646 00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:14.079 Shane Bieber Shane Bieber feels like because then they could 647 00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:17.199 sell if things don't go well the short term. 648 00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:18.800 He's the new Dustin May. 649 00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:24.599 Yeah, yeah, well the new Yeah Clay Holmes potentially I. 650 00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:28.079 Guess yeahs is like not a bad fit. 651 00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:30.960 Yeah yeah, I like that one. 652 00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:35.679 All right, let's move on to our second topic. Rumor 653 00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:40.480 has it? Patrick? I feel like I need you to 654 00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:42.199 read our first item. 655 00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:45.199 I just put this in directly as the headline. 656 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:46.920 I enjoyed. 657 00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:48.480 I enjoyed reading it greatly. 658 00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:51.760 Yeah, I'm going to try and do my best. Oscar 659 00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:56.199 Wells not Oscar Wells, Jesus orson Wells uh narrating p 660 00:34:56.480 --> 00:35:03.519 commercial rockies getting interest in various players. 661 00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:10.639 Yeah. If you're wondering who those various players they are 662 00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:11.679 fielding calls, I am. 663 00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:12.440 I am wondering. 664 00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:18.199 Kyle Freeland, Michael Lorenzen, tell me Stigano, Mickey Mooniac, Jake McCarthy, 665 00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:19.079 and Willie Castro. 666 00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:21.599 Okay, I get two of those. 667 00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:22.880 I get the last two. 668 00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:26.519 And reliever in Sansotela is also getting interest, which also 669 00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:30.159 makes some sense, Although how is it feels like it's 670 00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:34.079 been a while since we've talked about Antonio sincetla. How 671 00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:34.639 is he doing? 672 00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:37.280 Uh? 673 00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:44.320 Since the break, let's see second half? He has started? 674 00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:47.599 He is he pitched? Hold on a second, that's the 675 00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:51.599 last time you pitched. Oh, he has pitched bad. He's 676 00:35:51.639 --> 00:36:01.360 been pitching bad. He's give three of his last five appearances. Yeah. Yeah, 677 00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:03.719 the area is up to three point six, which is 678 00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:05.920 still low for sense of tela but not like the 679 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:07.119 fast of course. 680 00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:11.480 But also yeah, for course, here's a cheap club option, 681 00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:14.920 well cheap, cheap, relatively cheap. 682 00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:21.280 Yeah, hitters are in June and July hitters are now 683 00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:24.400 opsing like nine to fifty against him. I think it 684 00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:27.639 was fun, but yeah, I would not be interested in 685 00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:30.280 my team of choice going after Antonian's sensetil. 686 00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:36.360 It's it's such a weird, I think some Yeah. 687 00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:39.000 I mean the funny thing is they probably traded their 688 00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:41.400 best peace already. 689 00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:45.360 In Halverson. Yeah, that's in around. 690 00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:48.519 The definitely, like I'm foreshadowing. 691 00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:49.000 I do think. 692 00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:52.719 I think McCarthy McCarthy, Yeah, And I don't think it's 693 00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:55.280 gonna go well wherever he goes. I think he's very 694 00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:56.639 much a function of. 695 00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:00.280 Being in like. 696 00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:03.480 Also every team can kind of use his like quick 697 00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:05.760 bench outfielder, defensive. 698 00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:07.000 Speed he can give them. 699 00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:09.960 But if that's what they're acquiring in their minds, I 700 00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:11.760 think they'll be happy. I think if they think he's 701 00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:15.000 gonna hit even as well as he has in in coleradio. 702 00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:17.079 And there's like an argument that maybe you want this 703 00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:20.320 guy as opposed to your like best speed in defense, 704 00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:23.280 center fielder in triple A right, Like, look, he has some, 705 00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:25.880 he's got some. He must have some playoff experience, and 706 00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:28.760 they're somewhere with the Diamondbacks. But he's like a veteran 707 00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:30.239 like he can like he can take it it back. 708 00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:33.320 I mean, you should him being good. 709 00:37:33.400 --> 00:37:33.840 Do you know his. 710 00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:38.199 Plugging percentage I will find based on the inside the 711 00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:39.079 park home runs? 712 00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:41.440 Is it over five? 713 00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:42.559 Yes? 714 00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.519 Jeff, Well it's it's I don't follow the five eleven. 715 00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:47.639 Yeah. 716 00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:50.400 His previous career highest four twenty seven. I mean, like, 717 00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:53.960 look if he if he can slug four thirty. 718 00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:56.400 What's the team the biggest outfield they can trade him to. 719 00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:00.679 That's true play off. 720 00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:04.920 None of the Ray is probably he does kind of 721 00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:06.639 feel a little raised. I don't think the Rays will 722 00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:08.280 do it, but he just kind of feel a little raised. 723 00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:11.679 I mean to Luca Ja McCarthy. 724 00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:22.440 Yeah, Chandler Simpson outfield, the biggest outfield, I mean, the 725 00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:29.960 the Orioles are three back, the Diamondback I mean where 726 00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:31.239 he just the Diamondbacks. 727 00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:34.559 The Diamondbacks off spot right now, they could use it. 728 00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:41.519 Man Pittsburgh, they feel like they already have field. They 729 00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:43.400 already have Jared Tary alone. I don't think they need 730 00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:46.920 him to That's not an outfielder played in the outfield 731 00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:50.280 for them. At some point. They have Jake Mangum, don't 732 00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:51.320 they It's basically Jake. 733 00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:56.239 They do have. They don't need to do that. Uhh yeah, 734 00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:56.679 I don't. 735 00:38:56.719 --> 00:38:59.880 I mean, I mean, I'm sure that they're not trading 736 00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:03.000 like that. People are really calling on Kyle Freeland. I 737 00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:05.639 want to see I want to I would. 738 00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:07.400 Like to see the sad answer here is Cleveland. 739 00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:08.760 I like to see the cell phone bell. 740 00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:10.000 Is that a big outfield? 741 00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:12.679 I don't, And I just Cleveland needs him, that doesn't 742 00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:14.400 matter what the field is. He is an upgrade for 743 00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:19.480 Daniel Shneman. They need, they need to find a new 744 00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:21.159 Miles Straw. Yeah. 745 00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:27.519 Yeah, the Padres are considering trading Mason Miller. 746 00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:34.360 I mean, look a J. Prowler is considering the drawers. 747 00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:35.840 What have I got? 748 00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:38.480 Sure? 749 00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:43.719 I guess Yeah, they're three back right now. It feels 750 00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:45.800 like they will stay three back every single game for 751 00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:48.239 the rest of the year. Like it just feels like 752 00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:50.280 they are like they and the Marlins will just be 753 00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:54.239 together at the same spot in the standings. 754 00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:56.159 I think there's to be them in the Nats. I 755 00:39:56.159 --> 00:40:02.880 think the Marlins might fade, okay, fair, I mean the 756 00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:05.199 Nats might also trades like Luis Garcier or something. 757 00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:06.800 I do want to update. 758 00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:08.559 Very early in the season, I believe we had a 759 00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:11.559 question of whether we believed Mason Miller would in the 760 00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:17.400 year with a negative FIP. Yeah, he's currently at zero 761 00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:18.519 point five to one. 762 00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:20.639 Yeah, he ain't get it much lower. I don't think 763 00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:22.599 it's not gonna Yeah, it's gonna be very good. 764 00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:26.719 But yeah, I mean very good as an understatement. 765 00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:30.440 But I think it's gonna be giving up a home run. 766 00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:33.599 Yet he is not given up. I was just looking 767 00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:37.320 to see how unlikely that was. Let's see keep talking. 768 00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:40.119 The strike out raid has dropped enough now where it's like. 769 00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:43.039 Yes, it is merely sixteen point eight. 770 00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:46.719 Yeah, it's gonna be like nineteen to probably keep a 771 00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:47.480 negative FIP. 772 00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:53.480 But yeah, yeah, hits allowed four point five. It's probably 773 00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:56.079 just too hot. Again, like that's in the three. I 774 00:40:56.079 --> 00:41:02.840 mean it's in Kirby Yates zone. Yeah, maybe still something 775 00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:06.480 something to track. Look, they would get an absolute hall. 776 00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:11.880 Ye who who fits here? 777 00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:14.599 Cubs? 778 00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:19.239 Who are they giving up in an absolute. 779 00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:19.440 Hall for Mason? 780 00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:23.559 Yeah? I mean, so here's the That's not their kind 781 00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:26.360 of move. It's not. But the problem is, I mean 782 00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:28.239 Jed Hoyer was there when they traded for a w 783 00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:29.159 Oldest Chapman. 784 00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:29.199 But. 785 00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:35.360 I don't so they set the problem is that they paid. 786 00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:37.920 I don't want to it's up they like they paid 787 00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:40.679 too much for Mason Miller, but they set the bar 788 00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:43.239 of what masimilar brought back by trading their own top 789 00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:46.519 five prospect, right like, so, like, I know he's pitched 790 00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:51.199 for them now for what the full season or two seasons? 791 00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:52.000 When did this trade happen? 792 00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:55.840 This would be the full season? Right was last year? 793 00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:59.199 I have no sense of time anymore. He is going 794 00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:02.119 to have less trade value just because there's less control, right, 795 00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:07.239 But you're still gonna want like a top twenty five 796 00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:09.920 guy back from him under those parameters and again, I 797 00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:11.239 don't know if there's a team out there that will 798 00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:11.599 do it. 799 00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:19.320 All right, that's the problem. That's the problem with the 800 00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:22.960 entire Who's gonna do Who's gonna do these. 801 00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:26.599 I'm I'm going to talk for wfan this week and 802 00:42:26.679 --> 00:42:30.000 suggest trading Jason Domingez and Spencer Jones because they are 803 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:33.039 the new Fraser and Andahar. We can all enjoy that. 804 00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:38.519 But I'm gonna bring in real quick, okay. And I 805 00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:41.639 tell you that there have been eight picture seasons in 806 00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:45.079 the modern nineteen eighty seven plus era where a pitcher 807 00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:47.000 has gone at least sixty innings and not giving up 808 00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:50.199 a home run. Six of them are middle relievers. 809 00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:50.559 Yeah. 810 00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:53.679 The only closers are Dave Smith of the Astros in 811 00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:56.760 nineteen eighty seven and Jason ingers Isringhausen for the Cardinals. 812 00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:01.119 Two members of the twenty fourteen Royals are on this list, 813 00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:06.960 Wayne Davis and Calvin Herre. Heathcliff Slocum Slom is on 814 00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:10.119 this Therefore, this list means nothing. Yeah. 815 00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:12.760 When I picture Heathcliff Slocum in my mind, it is 816 00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:17.119 giving up a backbreaking home I know he was a 817 00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:18.760 good I know he was a good reliever. 818 00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:21.320 I can give you five guesses at which team he 819 00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:22.800 even did this for, and I don't think you would 820 00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:25.599 give it. I forgot. He's had a lot of teams, 821 00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:30.119 a lot of teams. Phillies, Yeah, Phillies. Wow, I forgot. 822 00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:33.079 I just picked the team that like, what is the team? 823 00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:36.280 I what is the team I think about? He clipped 824 00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:37.639 Slocum on the fourth Moost. 825 00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:43.559 So, speaking of the Phillies, they are the only team 826 00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:44.880 I think would. 827 00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:47.199 Sure, I don't know that they have the pieces. 828 00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:50.079 I agree with that part of it, Jeff Brees. But 829 00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:53.119 even on the motivation, I don't know that any other team. 830 00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:57.079 Just go across the playoff teams and there's a lot 831 00:43:57.079 --> 00:43:59.559 of seems you can put in this mix. 832 00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:02.320 The Yankees, is there, Kayla, Yankees if they trade George Lombard, 833 00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:04.559 like I think they're the Yankees are. 834 00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:06.559 Not gonna trade for me. They don't need to. 835 00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:07.800 I mean they don't. 836 00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:10.400 But also like not how they act anymore. 837 00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:15.639 It isn't. Maybe it should be, but it isn't. I mean, 838 00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:16.960 you trade for him, you see it. 839 00:44:18.639 --> 00:44:20.599 You want to say, maybe it's fine. If you want 840 00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:23.719 to say maybe maybe the Yankees, fine, not the Rays, 841 00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:27.199 maybe the Yankees, not the Red Sox. I don't think. 842 00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:28.079 I don't think. 843 00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:32.119 Uh, Orioles are probably too far out. I mean, they 844 00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:34.519 could use them, I don't know, but that's not how 845 00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:39.159 they act. Certainly, not the White Sox, not the Guardians, Uh, 846 00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:45.000 not the Rangers, not the Mariners, not the Braves. Billies 847 00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:50.480 might not have the pieces, not Milwaukee, you can say Chicago. 848 00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:55.079 It's again not really how they do it. Uh, Dodgers 849 00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:58.840 don't need them. Dodgers aren't going to do it. Diamondbacks 850 00:44:58.840 --> 00:44:59.400 aren't going to do. 851 00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:01.079 It, right. That's like the only person that would have 852 00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:02.719 traded for Mason Mill that much for Mason Miller in 853 00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:04.079 the first place might have been the Padres. 854 00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:04.559 Right. 855 00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:08.599 Well, look, and that's if you're saying you're going to 856 00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:10.840 get back leader degrees, I don't think you are. But 857 00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:16.440 whatever you want to call a hall, the Yankees could 858 00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:18.360 do it, and I don't think are super motivated to. 859 00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:18.960 Personally. 860 00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:23.320 The Phillies I think are motivated to, especially with Keller 861 00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:25.880 going out, and don't really I'm not sure they have 862 00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:26.400 the pieces. 863 00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:29.119 There's a lot of teams that basically all the teams 864 00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:29.599 that would move. 865 00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:32.320 Although if there is a team that will take busted 866 00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:36.119 back Aiden Miller, It might be the Padre, it might 867 00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:36.440 be a J. 868 00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:36.960 Prowler. 869 00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:40.559 And and then you have the Cubs and I don't 870 00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:42.760 know that they're motivated to and I don't know how 871 00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:45.920 much their their far their fund is not bad and 872 00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:48.320 they have a bunch of young guys. But like it, 873 00:45:48.440 --> 00:45:59.920 really the quality is Is. 874 00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:56.440 That fair to say? Jeff like it? 875 00:45:57.159 --> 00:45:59.440 How much do you like Matt Shaw? How much do 876 00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:02.039 you like this biasteros? How much do you like. 877 00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:05.880 Injured arms? Right? 878 00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:09.119 Like, yeah, I could see Ad Preler liking Kevin. 879 00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:12.480 Yeah, I mean Jackson Wiggins is back on the mound. 880 00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:14.800 You think Conrad is back playing now? But like that's 881 00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:16.639 again you're taking guys coming back. 882 00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:19.320 Look, I didn't mention Josia Hertstorn and people tend to like. 883 00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:21.719 But again, do you want to give up Josiah Heartstorn 884 00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:23.960 for for a reliever right now? If you're Chicago, I 885 00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:24.239 don't know. 886 00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:24.639 You might. 887 00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:26.360 I think you can make a compelling case. 888 00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:26.719 You can make. 889 00:46:27.079 --> 00:46:29.280 This is the highest hearts Worn's values ever going to 890 00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:31.400 be ready and upper minor pitching. Yet it's kind of 891 00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:32.119 a and. 892 00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:36.400 You're you're very much in the mix, But like, can 893 00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:40.400 Josiah heartsworn lead a Mason Miller deal. 894 00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:41.280 I don't. 895 00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:44.639 I mean eighth round weird prep bat like that is 896 00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:45.920 of J Peler's alley. 897 00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:49.360 He does love that ship, sure, but you know what 898 00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:54.119 I mean, like I think, yeah, I mean the X 899 00:46:54.159 --> 00:46:56.559 factor is always like what does a J Preler think 900 00:46:56.559 --> 00:46:58.039 of something? I don't know, But like. 901 00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:00.440 I don't know. 902 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:01.400 I think that's a tough one. 903 00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:04.679 What about the White Sox. I mean I ruled them out, 904 00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:08.280 I think, but like they theoretically have the parts to 905 00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:16.639 do it. They have eight guys this year. I know, theoretically. 906 00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:17.559 That's why I put does that? 907 00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:19.599 What does that look? I know you're not the prospect person, 908 00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:21.639 so I'm not it's it's not a fair situation. But 909 00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:23.719 what do you What does that look like to you? 910 00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:27.559 I mean they can't trade, uh, they can't trade their 911 00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:31.800 number one prospect right now, But like, I don't know 912 00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:33.719 what it looks like to me. I mean, I'm assuming 913 00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:37.800 Bomber's the big piece and you have one or two more, 914 00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:41.360 but like they at least have the needs. Anthony Dimngez 915 00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:45.159 is the closer, but he's you know, you know, he's 916 00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:47.960 he walks five for nine. I think they would love 917 00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:50.280 to not have him be the closer if they were 918 00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:54.360 making the playoffs. I think, look there that he's going 919 00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:56.840 certainly guaranteed to use Mason Miller over the window of 920 00:47:56.920 --> 00:48:00.119 him the forest free agency. They're going to be in 921 00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:01.800 this position for the next couple of years. 922 00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:06.039 I think you could construct right, like you have more 923 00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:08.440 common on a short term deal, you can construct a 924 00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:12.000 lot of reasons to say, like you're you're here, Yeah, 925 00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:16.800 you have you have You're arguably your best player is 926 00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:18.360 only on a short term deal, like. 927 00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:19.519 Go while you can. 928 00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:23.480 I kind of think it's a it's a real mistake 929 00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:28.880 to go heavily for this season, like to treat and 930 00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:31.000 Jeff can speak better than I can to how good 931 00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:33.920 Caleb Bonhemer is, but like to do it for a 932 00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:37.639 reliever as good a reliever as Mason Miller is. So 933 00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:42.079 the argument feels really like reaching above your station a 934 00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:42.519 little bit. 935 00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:45.599 If I were to sit here and tell you, you know, 936 00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:49.079 make an argument for putting Caleb Bonber in this deal, 937 00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:53.840 it would be one like the contact rates from better 938 00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:55.760 in double A and he's starting to hit for more 939 00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:57.559 power at double A two and something is not a 940 00:48:57.559 --> 00:49:00.199 great place to hit. I mean the contact right, and 941 00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:03.559 Hya was not good, Like there is some significant hit 942 00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:06.280 to a risk. I had a scout recently put a 943 00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:08.960 dan Ugla comp on him, which is a fun comp. 944 00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:11.440 And like. 945 00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:18.199 You can construct an argument like that they would be 946 00:49:18.320 --> 00:49:23.079 trading from surplus here. M hmm, given that they already 947 00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:29.800 have Coulton, Montgomery, Vargas, Antonacci and dr Now I think 948 00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:33.800 Bonhamber can be better than several of those guys. But 949 00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:37.639 like I can see the like the White Sox are 950 00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:40.000 gonna the White Sides are not the kind of teen 951 00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:45.039 that's going to have a lot of surplus anywhere, right. 952 00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:48.360 So and you need that, I mean the other things. 953 00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:49.880 But they're not gonna have depth either way, right, Like 954 00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:53.280 they're not gonna have depth either way. So the argument 955 00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:56.000 they're like, you do like a you know, I don't 956 00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:58.400 know if you can sell anybody, but. 957 00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:00.519 Let's just say this happened, Like, what are the odds 958 00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:02.800 you would then put a Mason Miller being traded next time? 959 00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:06.960 Most sure? Very high. 960 00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:09.239 I mean, there's the argument that no one should trade 961 00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:12.280 for Mason Miller, right given the price we assume for him, 962 00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:16.119 that that is just unreasonable or any team And that's fine. 963 00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:20.159 I don't think that's well, I mean the funny, the funny, 964 00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:22.760 the worst part of it is a team that certainly 965 00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:26.719 makes the most sense from a you needed a or 966 00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:31.239 you're planning to need a lights out reliever and will 967 00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:33.760 be in a situation where that actually matters for you 968 00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:36.239 going forward is the Dodgors. 969 00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:38.679 Yeah right, they don't. Right there, They're not going to 970 00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:40.280 do it. They they made they made their play with 971 00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:44.599 Edwin Diaz. They they have gotten their bullpen healthy, right, 972 00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:51.079 Like brock Stewart is briefly upright, Evan Phillips is back. 973 00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:56.039 He's throwing ninety eight recently. Uh, he looked pretty good 974 00:50:56.039 --> 00:50:58.079 his last having one before that not so much. 975 00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:01.840 But in terms of just. 976 00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:08.119 The omnipresent need of a high leverage guy, even just 977 00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:11.639 for October, that's the team that makes the most sense, right, 978 00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:17.079 So I don't think I but I don't think they 979 00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:19.239 make sense in in every other context. And like, I 980 00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:21.440 don't think they'd trade those pieces. I don't know that 981 00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:23.079 they care that much about the divisional thing. But I 982 00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:25.400 don't think they're going to trade one of their outfielders 983 00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:28.840 for to to San Diego, uh, for a piece that 984 00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:33.880 that is ultimately probably extraneous. Now you could you could gain, say, like, 985 00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:36.480 how how much do you want to trust Edwin Diaz 986 00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:38.920 compared to Mason Miller with the game on the line. 987 00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:45.880 I'd rather have Mason Miller, right, But yeah, I don't 988 00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:51.800 know the Mets. M HM, need I say more? 989 00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:52.400 The Mets. 990 00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:55.599 They're getting calls about Louise Robert. 991 00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:58.119 They should trade Louise Robert as soon as possible. 992 00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:01.840 Said, Either're getting calls from. 993 00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:04.760 No, but it doesn't matter. 994 00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:07.159 I'm just curious. 995 00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:12.840 Yeah, I don't know. Phillies could use Robert. Yeah, you 996 00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:15.000 can do. You can package like Robert and a reliever 997 00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:18.280 for them. I think, would you know Robert and Brooks 998 00:52:18.320 --> 00:52:21.280 Raley or something and get a nice little piece back. 999 00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:25.639 I don't know how pot committed they are, add justin 1000 00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:27.760 Crawford and centerfield. At this point the edge should be 1001 00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:28.400 not very. 1002 00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:34.280 But yeah, like you basically have ten days to try 1003 00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:35.639 to Yeah, like. 1004 00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:38.760 He's played two games, He's looked fine. He has a 1005 00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:43.800 her neated disk in his back, so there's that there. Yeah, 1006 00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:47.159 he might just want to Like I don't think. I 1007 00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:49.000 do not think he will play well enough where you 1008 00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:51.559 want to pick up the twenty million dollar option, especially 1009 00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:57.840 giving youing and benches success this year. So yeah, just 1010 00:52:58.000 --> 00:52:59.599 hope he stays healthy for the next ten days and 1011 00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:01.639 plip him. They're gonna be busy. 1012 00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:03.280 Trying to take whatever. It doesn't matter. 1013 00:53:04.039 --> 00:53:06.159 You'll probably actually do better than the least on Helicunya. 1014 00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:13.320 So John Mozeliak, Yeah, might might be busy. I mean, 1015 00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:16.079 that's this is maybe the most interesting thing is this, 1016 00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:19.920 This change in power has perhaps opened up perhaps. 1017 00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:22.960 Look, if I'm John Mozzellia, he's he. 1018 00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:25.880 I heard him on a broadcast. God knows why I 1019 00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:29.599 tuned into an Angel's Cardinals game, but I did, and 1020 00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:32.840 he was on the broadcast, you know it. I saw 1021 00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:38.320 reports that they're listening on zach Netto. Uh yeah, and 1022 00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:40.960 and he see he seemed to be more open to 1023 00:53:41.880 --> 00:53:44.719 debt mers at least I haven't. I don't hear a 1024 00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:47.159 ton about Soriano. But it doesn't matter, I think. 1025 00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:51.199 So what's that Berreano's better in a way where. 1026 00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:53.039 Okay, you might just want to It. 1027 00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:54.840 Seems to me if you're trading, if you're willing to 1028 00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:59.199 listen on Netto and debt mers, sure Soriano is now elegily. 1029 00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:00.679 I mean, I don't like this is all going to 1030 00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:03.360 come down to I mean, there are other reporting around 1031 00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:06.480 this before miss Aliak was hired with that they were 1032 00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:08.000 not going to move any of these guys, right, and 1033 00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:09.280 I assume that was coming from Arty. 1034 00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:12.880 Now now he does not talk to Artie. 1035 00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:16.280 Well, yes, but going out there, it's like one of 1036 00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:18.960 those things where if you keep saying it in the media, 1037 00:54:19.159 --> 00:54:21.239 eventually already might just agree to it because that's out there, 1038 00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:24.480 like like he can't if you're not directly talking to 1039 00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:26.280 each other, he might just stay out of it. At 1040 00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:29.880 this point, you just keep saying, yeah, they're available. And 1041 00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:32.440 I don't know what Molly Jolly's opinion is on all 1042 00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:33.800 of this, so no. 1043 00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:37.159 Nor I I think they should be The Angels have 1044 00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:40.199 the opportunity to own the pitching. 1045 00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:45.400 Market, especially if your guys with control, right, so it's 1046 00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:46.679 not just your trading first. 1047 00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:48.880 And then you know, we we spent a long time. 1048 00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:51.599 Patrick then wrote a piece on the Red Sox and trade. 1049 00:54:51.639 --> 00:54:55.440 We spent a long time talking about their shortstop issue. 1050 00:54:56.360 --> 00:55:00.639 Zach netto Yeah, would probably be very appealing for a 1051 00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:02.360 lot of teams, to a lot. 1052 00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:05.800 Of especially for a team that is trying to dislodge 1053 00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:10.280 its like name brand. But not good short stop, Like 1054 00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:13.119 you can't. I don't think the Red Sox can move 1055 00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:16.199 on from story if they're getting Andre Semenez, even if 1056 00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:18.639 Andrea Semenz is incrementally better at this point in his 1057 00:55:18.679 --> 00:55:20.119 career than Trevor's story. 1058 00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:21.679 Like Netta would make a lot of sense in the 1059 00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:26.400 Bronx mm hmm, especially in that park. Outside of that park. 1060 00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:32.800 Yeah, that's a really good point. Yeah, I mean I 1061 00:55:33.159 --> 00:55:33.679 would be. 1062 00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:35.760 And look, those are both teams. Like I don't love 1063 00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:37.800 the Yankee system, but it's certainly deep enough for a 1064 00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:40.559 zachnetto trade and Boston has bustn't go out and get 1065 00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:41.239 whoever they want. 1066 00:55:41.320 --> 00:55:42.679 Basically, they wouldn't. 1067 00:55:42.800 --> 00:55:43.639 They wouldn't do it. 1068 00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:44.880 Patrick, but. 1069 00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:47.480 The Mariners could use that. 1070 00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:51.480 They're not gonna block Cole Emerson playing shorts. 1071 00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:53.199 I said they're not gonna do it. I said, they're 1072 00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:55.039 not gonna do it. But but when I when you, 1073 00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:59.000 when you help me make that chart of the team 1074 00:55:59.119 --> 00:56:01.519 by team and buy position projections for the rest of 1075 00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:05.199 the season. The Mariners dark blue spot was short stop. 1076 00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:09.039 I mean I did not really I knew Cole Emerson 1077 00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:10.800 had not been good. It did not really sound quite 1078 00:56:10.800 --> 00:56:11.440 how bad. 1079 00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:16.920 He just played discipline, but then it did for Cole 1080 00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:19.480 Young last year too, and then but. 1081 00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:23.039 I mean, look that it has but also like and 1082 00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:26.320 Cole Young's fine, yeah, but like if you're only getting 1083 00:56:26.360 --> 00:56:28.679 the gabag hitters out of those two guys, like you've 1084 00:56:28.679 --> 00:56:33.159 got a problem. Well you know, it's like do Maasarowski 1085 00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:35.239 with the glove or something based on brs. 1086 00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:42.320 But like, Brendan Donovan certainly is a baseball player who 1087 00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:45.719 exists theoretically. I don't know where he is at this point. 1088 00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:48.800 But man, this team really put a lot of a 1089 00:56:48.800 --> 00:56:50.920 lot of its off season was about getting Brendon Donovan 1090 00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:59.039 and then not getting Brendan Donovan too much, Buddy Kennedy. 1091 00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:07.039 Lastly, the Nationals might just keep Foster Griffin. Sure, I 1092 00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:10.440 mean he showed up on that that leaderboard game and 1093 00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:14.920 I was not expecting that. I mean sure, I guess 1094 00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:19.239 I know they're a little bit in the Cardinals spot 1095 00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:21.039 where it's like they might just do very little. 1096 00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:23.760 Can they qualify him? I know it varies based on 1097 00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:26.159 it's when foreign professionals. 1098 00:57:26.480 --> 00:57:28.920 Were you gonna qualify and offer Foster Griffin? 1099 00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:29.519 Why not? 1100 00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:32.400 That's a lot of money for Foster. 1101 00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:35.519 I mean, it would probably find on one in twenty 1102 00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:38.320 been very good, Greig, he has. 1103 00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:40.639 He's been very good. I can't argue with that. 1104 00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:42.599 I think it might be worth the risk to qualify 1105 00:57:42.639 --> 00:57:43.320 Foster Griffin. 1106 00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:51.000 Yeah, it's an interesting one. And there's nothing that you 1107 00:57:51.039 --> 00:57:52.440 look at Foster griv there's nothing wrong. 1108 00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:55.119 It's not like they look it's not like they're going 1109 00:57:55.199 --> 00:57:56.719 to run up against the cap if they did it. 1110 00:57:57.039 --> 00:58:02.960 Sure you know the cap, the luxury attack. It's so 1111 00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:05.440 like as long as they don't care about that money 1112 00:58:06.119 --> 00:58:09.639 that much, God bless right. And if you get a 1113 00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:11.960 pick out of it or whatever, if someone goes above 1114 00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:18.719 and beyond. But I would get the vibe that I 1115 00:58:18.760 --> 00:58:19.079 don't know. 1116 00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:21.119 I guess the other question is like, are you really 1117 00:58:21.199 --> 00:58:23.960 beating a second round pick for a Foster Griffin rental? 1118 00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:26.920 No? 1119 00:58:27.199 --> 00:58:29.440 I Also, I don't know that you necessarily need to 1120 00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:31.239 be in the Foster Griffin business next year. 1121 00:58:31.480 --> 00:58:33.199 Sure you know what I mean? 1122 00:58:33.320 --> 00:58:35.639 Like this, he's been very good, he's got a three 1123 00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:36.519 nights fit. 1124 00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:38.519 But do you think someone else might want to be 1125 00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:39.079 in that foster? 1126 00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:41.119 Yeah? But you want to right, you want to go 1127 00:58:41.159 --> 00:58:43.800 get the next Foster Griffin, not pay twenty million dollars 1128 00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:45.039 for the current for. 1129 00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:47.639 The that's a risk you take by qualifying it. But 1130 00:58:47.639 --> 00:58:51.599 I don't you got to run the you know, run 1131 00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:52.760 the math and see what you think. 1132 00:58:53.599 --> 00:59:00.239 Right, all right, why don't we take a break and 1133 00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:24.159 we'll come back with the rest of the show. Welcome 1134 00:59:24.199 --> 00:59:26.760 back to episode five hundred and sixty five of five 1135 00:59:26.840 --> 00:59:29.440 and Dive. We're on our third segment, Slow news week. 1136 00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:32.360 We only made it two topics before the break, but 1137 00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:33.360 it's a slow news week. 1138 00:59:33.880 --> 00:59:36.760 Yeah, I mean, I just know I wanted it is 1139 00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:41.639 it is. I wanted to like do a segment on 1140 00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:45.000 just like weird stuff that's happened this week basically that 1141 00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:47.840 doesn't quite like it technically could fit in around the horn, 1142 00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:50.039 but I also feel like there's like an undercurrent of 1143 00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:54.679 called oddity. Yea, let's go I put it. 1144 00:59:55.400 --> 00:59:58.639 Let's start with oddity. Yeah, because the Phillies cannot be 1145 00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:01.559 remotely normal and bless them. 1146 01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:03.760 For Craig's especially blessing them this week. 1147 01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:07.599 Yeah, look what the fuck was that? 1148 01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:11.679 So if you haven't seen it, and I assume anyone 1149 01:00:11.679 --> 01:00:14.599 listening to the show has, uh, the Philly has had 1150 01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:15.800 what second and third? 1151 01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:17.199 Second and third? One out? 1152 01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:24.719 Yeah, down, one down, one against Evan Phillips, wasn't it. 1153 01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:26.000 Uh, it was against Tanner Scott. 1154 01:00:26.119 --> 01:00:29.400 Tanner Scott. Sure, Tanner Scott living the Good Life clearly 1155 01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:35.159 is a ground ball to bats. Crawford breaks for the plates. 1156 01:00:35.679 --> 01:00:38.159 It's like dead to rights. So he does what you're 1157 01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:40.920 supposed to do, which is yet caught in a rundown. 1158 01:00:41.559 --> 01:00:43.880 Yeah, it was interesting. The infield was not. 1159 01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:47.119 In. It was hit pretty hard. 1160 01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:49.920 It was It's Brandon Marsh, so it was hit pretty hard. 1161 01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:53.719 When he makes contact, it's hard and clearly yeah you 1162 01:00:53.719 --> 01:00:55.440 know what, Actually I say it, but it was like 1163 01:00:55.519 --> 01:00:56.760 chopped right like it. 1164 01:00:56.719 --> 01:01:00.960 Wasn't It didn't look like contact. Play was on. 1165 01:01:01.079 --> 01:01:01.480 He got to. 1166 01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:04.320 Muncy relatively quickly, but it was not like well struck 1167 01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:08.559 he was. I would say he was started about even 1168 01:01:08.599 --> 01:01:10.679 with the bat right, he was holding the run. But 1169 01:01:10.679 --> 01:01:11.960 the infield was not in. 1170 01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:15.519 Right, and Crawford like, the play is very close to him, right, 1171 01:01:15.639 --> 01:01:16.320 So if he's not. 1172 01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:18.760 He was off on contact it was, which is. 1173 01:01:18.719 --> 01:01:22.400 Not a problem. Sure, yeah you think so he was 1174 01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:30.079 dead to rights. He gets a rundown, you know. Well, yeah, 1175 01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:31.400 so it wasn't enough of a I don't know who 1176 01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:33.159 hit it, oh Marsh, there was enough of a rundown 1177 01:01:33.159 --> 01:01:34.480 to let him get to second. 1178 01:01:34.880 --> 01:01:36.840 Or he just wasn't getting to say, I don't the 1179 01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:40.599 breakdowns on Philly's base running on this like, I don't 1180 01:01:40.639 --> 01:01:42.119 know if he just didn't go to second. 1181 01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:45.599 Yeah, I don't either, But that was not the biggest 1182 01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:46.159 problem with. 1183 01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:51.719 No got to third he did. Well, No, but if 1184 01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:55.360 if marsh goes to second, real Mudo isn't coming I mean, 1185 01:01:55.480 --> 01:01:56.199 isn't coming back. 1186 01:01:56.480 --> 01:02:01.239 I mean maybe he is. He didn't have to. So anyway, 1187 01:02:01.480 --> 01:02:03.800 at a certain point during the rundown, a JT just 1188 01:02:03.800 --> 01:02:05.079 starts running back to second base. 1189 01:02:05.320 --> 01:02:06.239 Yeah, yep. 1190 01:02:06.440 --> 01:02:10.960 So at a certain point he was acting like Crawford 1191 01:02:11.159 --> 01:02:13.719 was going to get back to third safely, which was 1192 01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:18.239 not going to happen. No, it was. I mean, he was, 1193 01:02:18.320 --> 01:02:20.360 as you said, dead to rights. The catcher ran back 1194 01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:22.760 a fair amount of the way. Gooky bats is standing there. 1195 01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:27.159 It was not hard. And then he tags Crawford and 1196 01:02:27.880 --> 01:02:34.239 I mean, yeah, real inexplicably, guys, he was touching third base. 1197 01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:37.119 He was on third base. He was standing on third base. 1198 01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:39.679 Once you're on third base, is the runner in that situation? 1199 01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:43.239 You're there, right the worst case, you're the tying run. Yes, 1200 01:02:43.239 --> 01:02:45.000 you're the tying run. The worst case scenario, like the 1201 01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:47.039 play hasn't gone well, but you still have you know, you're. 1202 01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:50.280 Scoring on all scenarios. Then is on third with two 1203 01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:54.960 outs and and arguably again marsh should be at second. 1204 01:02:55.119 --> 01:02:58.599 So the winning run is on second with two outs. 1205 01:02:57.079 --> 01:03:02.199 A worst case, A worst case than the worst case that. 1206 01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:06.280 He ran back and key, you. 1207 01:03:06.159 --> 01:03:08.039 Know he didn't make a good mook. He didn't even 1208 01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:12.239 make it wasn't a strong He threw it as fast 1209 01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:15.519 as he can. Yeah, like as sorry, as quickly as 1210 01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:19.199 he It was not fast, but it was enough time 1211 01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:20.039 And again. 1212 01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:23.880 Question the catcher is still but something clicked in real 1213 01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:26.440 mod like I gotta go back to second, and like 1214 01:03:26.519 --> 01:03:26.920 I just. 1215 01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:30.039 The explanations have not made sense, he said, like you 1216 01:03:30.159 --> 01:03:32.159 gotta play it out in your head ahead of time 1217 01:03:32.280 --> 01:03:34.760 or whatever. No you don't. You just stand on third. 1218 01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:37.639 Just if you get to third as a runner in 1219 01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:39.039 that situation, stand on. 1220 01:03:39.039 --> 01:03:41.239 Third, right, and if they tag both you and somebody's out. 1221 01:03:41.119 --> 01:03:44.280 Well you know, and somebody isn't, then someone is on third. 1222 01:03:44.599 --> 01:03:48.480 But like, I just don't understand as like as a 1223 01:03:48.519 --> 01:03:52.840 baseball player, and Mudo is obviously you know he's at 1224 01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:54.960 least in his younger years. Was it very fast for 1225 01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:57.960 a catcher a good bass runner in general? But he's 1226 01:03:57.960 --> 01:04:01.639 played a lot of baseball. How many times when a 1227 01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:05.800 play is going on that you are not directly involved in, right, 1228 01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:08.159 Like it's on a rundown? Do you think I'm going 1229 01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:11.079 to run backwards on the basis, Like, how does that 1230 01:04:11.159 --> 01:04:12.119 even enter your mind? 1231 01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:13.199 Yeah? 1232 01:04:13.199 --> 01:04:15.159 You always are going in one direction on the basis. 1233 01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:17.400 It's not like a tag up situation or any of that, right, 1234 01:04:17.519 --> 01:04:19.440 or somebody caught it in the outfield like the plays. 1235 01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:22.320 Yourebias is the only person to think it successfully, right. 1236 01:04:22.519 --> 01:04:27.280 Yes, well yeah, like I just don't know why he didn't. 1237 01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:29.239 They have to make a rule about it because somebody 1238 01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:30.559 was trying to steal first. 1239 01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:33.480 What is happening in Pennsylvania and base run? 1240 01:04:33.639 --> 01:04:38.639 Yeah, well there's the guy that ran backwards on his 1241 01:04:38.679 --> 01:04:42.039 hundred thumb run ran the basis backwards on run in 1242 01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:42.960 the sixties, I don't remember. 1243 01:04:43.159 --> 01:04:44.679 Well, I thought there was one that tried to run 1244 01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:47.119 from second to first so that he could lure a 1245 01:04:47.119 --> 01:04:49.960 throw to get the so that a guy on third. Yeah, yeah, 1246 01:04:50.039 --> 01:04:54.599 that sounds familiar, which they had to make a rule 1247 01:04:54.639 --> 01:04:58.639 then not let you do that basically, which feels like 1248 01:04:58.639 --> 01:05:00.920 one of the most experience, Like you don't want to 1249 01:05:00.920 --> 01:05:01.119 do that. 1250 01:05:01.199 --> 01:05:03.360 It's like that was the play that sam Elli need 1251 01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:05.480 to legislate this write about. And the guy just like 1252 01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:06.559 walks into the outfield. 1253 01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:09.440 Yeah, yeah, sunk in the outfield. 1254 01:05:09.440 --> 01:05:11.920 That's what it is. Yeah, remember what animal it was? 1255 01:05:12.519 --> 01:05:12.639 Uh? 1256 01:05:13.440 --> 01:05:16.920 But yeah, like just and the other thing is it 1257 01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:19.480 was they lost after that because it was a ninth inning, 1258 01:05:19.559 --> 01:05:20.239 you should mention. 1259 01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:31.119 The game was over, I mean cataclysmic. 1260 01:05:31.639 --> 01:05:33.239 You got to play it out in your head. Okay, 1261 01:05:33.280 --> 01:05:35.599 at what point in your head are you deciding? You know, 1262 01:05:35.719 --> 01:05:39.119 as someone with anxiety issues who catastrophizes often, like I 1263 01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:40.679 couldn't come up with just I'm going to run back 1264 01:05:40.679 --> 01:05:44.960 to second base now, the worst thing possible out of here. 1265 01:05:46.119 --> 01:05:48.119 Sometimes you just got to get out of dodge. 1266 01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:54.960 I Yeah, I don't know, Its just it also like 1267 01:05:55.079 --> 01:05:59.519 it made you immediately think back to the playoff game 1268 01:05:59.559 --> 01:06:02.960 with the wheel play that that because it's these two teams, right, 1269 01:06:03.239 --> 01:06:05.519 and like that wasn't even bad base running to me, 1270 01:06:07.719 --> 01:06:11.800 although someone pointed out to me, Uh a shocker who 1271 01:06:11.800 --> 01:06:14.800 I talked to pointed out to me that like they 1272 01:06:14.800 --> 01:06:17.119 had missed with the bunt and and the Dodgers showed 1273 01:06:17.119 --> 01:06:20.920 that they were doing the wheel play the pitch before 1274 01:06:21.760 --> 01:06:23.599 and so like, but that's not a base running error 1275 01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:24.920 to me, that's a managerial decision. 1276 01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:29.840 Whether you want to, you also still have to execute it. 1277 01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:31.639 They it was not easy to do. 1278 01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:36.159 But like between the Dodgers, like executing that that wheel 1279 01:06:36.199 --> 01:06:39.920 play and then like this happening again, same ballpark, same 1280 01:06:40.039 --> 01:06:44.480 base Like, I don't know, it's just there's bad juju 1281 01:06:44.599 --> 01:06:47.400 there for Philly. It just feels like at this point, 1282 01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:52.559 not far down ninety five. 1283 01:06:54.079 --> 01:06:58.880 In Baltimore, Yes, that is where is if you didn't 1284 01:06:58.920 --> 01:06:59.519 know what. 1285 01:07:01.039 --> 01:07:04.480 Jeffrey Jeffrey saw saw a game between two streaking clubs 1286 01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:08.880 in Baltimore and Boston earlier this week and said, of 1287 01:07:08.920 --> 01:07:12.159 course Christian and Karnacian Strand is in Boston. I was like, no, no, 1288 01:07:12.159 --> 01:07:12.840 he's in Baltimore. 1289 01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:16.760 He's like, okay, that works too. 1290 01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:19.800 Uh, Jeffrey, I feel like you particularly delighted in this. 1291 01:07:19.960 --> 01:07:22.840 I did so between. He had a good game in 1292 01:07:22.840 --> 01:07:25.079 the first game of the doubleheader yesterday, had a lot 1293 01:07:25.119 --> 01:07:27.760 of good games for Baltimore. Actually, and Andy Costa tried 1294 01:07:27.800 --> 01:07:29.239 to get you know, a couple of minutes with him 1295 01:07:29.239 --> 01:07:32.320 in between the games, and he told him, uh, I 1296 01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:34.199 got to go take a nap and I was like, 1297 01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:36.000 it only be a couple of minutes. He's like, I understand, 1298 01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:40.760 but it's nap time. Yeah, Like I don't like it naptime, man, 1299 01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:41.480 I get it. 1300 01:07:41.679 --> 01:07:42.639 I respect that. 1301 01:07:42.880 --> 01:07:46.519 Yeah. You we'd often talk about like players finding something. 1302 01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:49.400 I think christiansto Strand has found something, and snap time 1303 01:07:50.679 --> 01:07:51.119 he's found. 1304 01:07:51.639 --> 01:07:55.840 Asking me about my my greatness will reduce my greatness. Yeah, because. 1305 01:07:57.199 --> 01:07:59.840 And even you know, well it's not to me that 1306 01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:02.039 this is fine shi. 1307 01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:05.679 Yeah. And I also Yama motives. Some of these they're 1308 01:08:05.719 --> 01:08:06.880 like I need twelve. 1309 01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:09.719 Hours of sleep, like high performance. 1310 01:08:11.159 --> 01:08:14.599 Twelve to thirteen hours of sleeping or something Otani. I 1311 01:08:14.599 --> 01:08:20.640 think like it is like ten, Like I okay, yeah, 1312 01:08:20.720 --> 01:08:22.479 I guess I don't know, Like you gotta go out 1313 01:08:22.479 --> 01:08:25.199 there and didn't Lebron always nap before games. 1314 01:08:25.239 --> 01:08:27.359 He gives like a sleep machine or something probably like 1315 01:08:27.359 --> 01:08:29.680 that's somehow of weird, like well. 1316 01:08:29.479 --> 01:08:31.359 Like a hyperbaric chamber or something like that. 1317 01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:32.000 I think I can't. 1318 01:08:32.199 --> 01:08:33.680 I'm assuming not just a seatpath. 1319 01:08:33.880 --> 01:08:36.239 That's just a seatpath. What I did enjoy is like 1320 01:08:36.239 --> 01:08:40.560 a lot Oftentimes you'll see reporters get kind of fussy 1321 01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:43.119 or crankly tweet about players not giving them access or 1322 01:08:43.159 --> 01:08:44.840 not talking to the matter of the game, and he's 1323 01:08:44.840 --> 01:08:47.239 just like, I can't argue with that. The guy needs 1324 01:08:47.239 --> 01:08:49.359 a nap. I can't, Like I can't. Yeah, fine, I 1325 01:08:49.399 --> 01:08:51.079 get it. He needs that. We all need a nap. 1326 01:08:52.760 --> 01:08:55.079 I mean that was to watch two. 1327 01:08:54.960 --> 01:08:57.399 Orioles baseball games. I'd want to nap in between two. 1328 01:08:57.960 --> 01:08:59.880 For all of us. That was a better outcome than 1329 01:09:01.520 --> 01:09:04.039 strand just talking about why he's been. 1330 01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:05.520 Hitting on right, Yeah, no, exact. 1331 01:09:06.359 --> 01:09:08.439 The real answer is so like if. 1332 01:09:08.359 --> 01:09:10.800 You if you can't, if you can't get something out 1333 01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:12.720 of that, like I question your writing credentials. 1334 01:09:12.720 --> 01:09:18.159 Basically, Jeffy, you're gonna need to explain this next one 1335 01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:18.359 to me. 1336 01:09:19.079 --> 01:09:22.079 What is the is this one? This is Iglesias? 1337 01:09:22.319 --> 01:09:26.279 Oh holy Iglesias press release went out this morning. Is 1338 01:09:26.319 --> 01:09:30.760 going to be in Buena Vista Social Club on Broadway. 1339 01:09:31.119 --> 01:09:34.000 We haven't had enough. We haven't been athlete actor. 1340 01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:39.159 Doing doing what singing and dancing and acting because we know. 1341 01:09:39.079 --> 01:09:41.720 He can sing. Can you do those things? 1342 01:09:41.760 --> 01:09:43.680 It's a Broadway, it's a musical. It's not like that 1343 01:09:43.920 --> 01:09:48.560 people it's like the acting. I'm not shoting on musical. 1344 01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:50.199 I'm just saying he doesn't have to be like you know, 1345 01:09:50.640 --> 01:09:51.359 Laurence Olivier. 1346 01:09:51.880 --> 01:09:57.000 Sure, yeah, it's not Himlet yeah, all right. 1347 01:09:57.439 --> 01:09:59.760 I don't like No, I don't know how involved he is. 1348 01:10:03.319 --> 01:10:05.760 There's there's a there's a role in Chicago that they 1349 01:10:05.800 --> 01:10:07.920 give to famous people just to get people to the 1350 01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:10.760 to the box office. That is like not like you 1351 01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:12.079 got to be able to do a little bit, but 1352 01:10:12.119 --> 01:10:15.720 not that much like reality TV stars keep getting this role. 1353 01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:18.079 All right, he is joining the company as the narrator. 1354 01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:22.800 Okay, okay, so it feels maybe a little more stuntish. 1355 01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:28.079 Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm not particularly so. I don't 1356 01:10:28.079 --> 01:10:29.119 know how involved it is, but. 1357 01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:32.720 Yeah, I I hope he ends up pushing this. Yeah, 1358 01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:36.079 go for it, man, like yeah, not to not just 1359 01:10:36.119 --> 01:10:38.800 stunt roles. I would love them. As Patrick said, let's 1360 01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:40.560 get some athlete to to after. 1361 01:10:41.279 --> 01:10:42.880 Yeah, maybe this is a gateway for him. 1362 01:10:43.159 --> 01:10:44.840 Shawn Lynch like there's not in him. 1363 01:10:45.079 --> 01:10:48.159 Yeah yeah, and he kind of just plays marsha on Lynch. No, 1364 01:10:48.279 --> 01:10:51.479 it's good, don't get me wrong. I watched Murdertown. I 1365 01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:52.079 enjoyed it. 1366 01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:53.319 Uh. 1367 01:10:54.399 --> 01:10:56.640 The last, the last one I'm thinking before marsha On 1368 01:10:56.720 --> 01:10:59.720 Lynch is uh not someone I want to bring up. 1369 01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:02.840 So yeah, let's get some more. Let's get let's get 1370 01:11:02.840 --> 01:11:06.600 a different set at Jim Brown. Jim Brown, what down 1371 01:11:06.720 --> 01:11:13.000 till dusk or something? I'm skipping a notable another notable 1372 01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:14.479 football running back in between. 1373 01:11:14.199 --> 01:11:19.399 Don't worry. Yeah, I mean there's Berlin Olson like belove 1374 01:11:20.199 --> 01:11:23.079 what Merlin like? He used to be? Football players were 1375 01:11:23.159 --> 01:11:27.359 constantly on TV, right, Merlin Olson, Alex Carris, Merlin Olsen. 1376 01:11:27.640 --> 01:11:29.880 He was a aligneman. He was like an all pro lineman, 1377 01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:33.239 like a Hall of Famer. Okay, he's the Hall of Fame. Like, 1378 01:11:34.199 --> 01:11:34.920 I don't even know that. 1379 01:11:35.159 --> 01:11:37.439 A had a lot of football movies too. You have 1380 01:11:37.479 --> 01:11:39.279 Brian's on you like North Dallas forty. You had a 1381 01:11:39.319 --> 01:11:45.159 lot of football movies in the seventies. I feelah, yeah. 1382 01:11:44.680 --> 01:11:50.239 Back to baseball. Yeah, but staying in New York. MLB 1383 01:11:50.560 --> 01:11:55.720 is cracking down on Jose Cavallero's bullshit. Now, I saw that. 1384 01:11:55.800 --> 01:11:57.840 I don't I don't know what he's doing. I saw 1385 01:11:58.319 --> 01:12:00.319 someone saying found a loophole, but I don't how many. 1386 01:12:00.439 --> 01:12:02.640 What it does is he waits. So you have to 1387 01:12:03.119 --> 01:12:05.960 make it with a picture, I think with eight seconds, 1388 01:12:06.399 --> 01:12:09.560 so that he waits until like nine seconds and then 1389 01:12:09.560 --> 01:12:13.319 looks at the picture immediately. But I for me, this 1390 01:12:13.439 --> 01:12:15.560 isn't any different than the picture holding it until the 1391 01:12:15.560 --> 01:12:19.279 apsolute last second either, right like it allowed No one does, Yeah, 1392 01:12:19.560 --> 01:12:20.279 most people don't. 1393 01:12:20.279 --> 01:12:23.039 But I mean you mean like the last second till 1394 01:12:23.039 --> 01:12:26.600 the clock runs out. Yeah, but it feels more in 1395 01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:29.239 the flow of things, just because pictures take a while, 1396 01:12:29.279 --> 01:12:30.279 like batters don't. 1397 01:12:30.119 --> 01:12:33.720 Need to write do. I think it's gainsmanship, right, Sometimes 1398 01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:35.560 you'll get them like if he thinks like you know, 1399 01:12:35.560 --> 01:12:38.079 you'll see like pictures being like he's not he's not 1400 01:12:38.079 --> 01:12:40.159 looking at me to the umpire. Sometimes then you'll get 1401 01:12:40.199 --> 01:12:41.159 him to step off. 1402 01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:43.359 Like what's gonna happen is that Cabrio just take longer 1403 01:12:43.399 --> 01:12:45.239 to get like the problem wasn't that he. 1404 01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:48.399 Was taking it was that he was doing it ostentatiously well, 1405 01:12:48.399 --> 01:12:50.600 and he was in the box and every you know, 1406 01:12:50.640 --> 01:12:53.039 like ninety nine percent ready and holding there. 1407 01:12:53.199 --> 01:12:55.279 I think he just takes longer to get in the box. 1408 01:12:55.319 --> 01:12:56.520 Get in the box, and it's fine. 1409 01:12:56.960 --> 01:13:00.000 Yeah, I think the like obviously this is for play 1410 01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:02.119 or safety, right, they don't want the pictures quick, pitching 1411 01:13:02.119 --> 01:13:04.840 them before they're ready in the box. Because of the 1412 01:13:04.840 --> 01:13:08.960 pitch click, everything's gonna go a little quicker. But yeah, 1413 01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:14.600 it's like, I don't know, it's a they're gonna like 1414 01:13:14.600 --> 01:13:16.520 they're they're gonna wait if you like, they're gonna time 1415 01:13:16.600 --> 01:13:18.760 him right, they're gonna be like a lot of times 1416 01:13:18.760 --> 01:13:21.560 like they're they're not gonna it's a lot like it's 1417 01:13:21.600 --> 01:13:22.840 the delay of game. We you have to look at 1418 01:13:22.840 --> 01:13:24.520 the clock. You look at the guy, look at the clock, 1419 01:13:24.600 --> 01:13:26.159 look back to the guy, like you get a little 1420 01:13:26.199 --> 01:13:28.279 bit of a great I think Caber, they're gonna be 1421 01:13:28.319 --> 01:13:31.560 staring him down at that clock hits eight strike, buddy, Yeah, 1422 01:13:31.560 --> 01:13:35.079 they're gonna be. He's made it to to us. 1423 01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:36.199 I also. 1424 01:13:38.199 --> 01:13:40.239 To your point, like, is it is it different than 1425 01:13:40.239 --> 01:13:45.159 pictures waiting until last second? No, maybe not, but they're 1426 01:13:45.159 --> 01:13:45.760 the ones who. 1427 01:13:45.640 --> 01:13:47.159 Start, yeah, the action. 1428 01:13:47.319 --> 01:13:51.359 So I also just this sucks. 1429 01:13:51.640 --> 01:13:54.319 Yeah, It's like it's like it's just it's just this 1430 01:13:54.479 --> 01:13:57.119 is that additive to the game in any way. It's 1431 01:13:57.119 --> 01:13:59.720 just I don't think it's the big advantage. 1432 01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:04.479 Ram just stop it and honestly, like I'm this is 1433 01:14:04.520 --> 01:14:07.119 two times two pods in a row. I'm with MLB. 1434 01:14:07.319 --> 01:14:10.560 I'm like, stop it. I'm supportive of them. Stop it 1435 01:14:10.600 --> 01:14:13.239 with your bullshit. Stop doing your weird bullshit ship on 1436 01:14:13.279 --> 01:14:17.079 your custom tab and your tablets and and cut this 1437 01:14:17.119 --> 01:14:20.600 ship out. This is You could argue it's arbitrary and 1438 01:14:20.600 --> 01:14:24.960 capricious or whatever, right, but like it's correct. Cut it out, 1439 01:14:25.119 --> 01:14:25.720 just cut it out. 1440 01:14:26.760 --> 01:14:28.479 We didn't think you would do this, so we didn't 1441 01:14:28.479 --> 01:14:29.399 write it into the role. 1442 01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:32.800 But yeah, it's it's again, it's it's uh yeah, I 1443 01:14:32.800 --> 01:14:37.399 mean it's like you said, it's gamesmanship. It's very rules lawyering, right, 1444 01:14:37.520 --> 01:14:40.439 and it's just fuck that the funk off with that. 1445 01:14:40.920 --> 01:14:42.600 It feels a little bit too like the you know, 1446 01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:44.920 you have Craig and Patrick would knows better than I 1447 01:14:44.920 --> 01:14:47.079 would have the two kids in the car and they're doing. 1448 01:14:47.159 --> 01:14:49.319 I was about to say, it's like and it's like 1449 01:14:49.479 --> 01:14:49.720 just like. 1450 01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:51.960 I'm not touching you. I'm not touching it, like the 1451 01:14:51.960 --> 01:14:52.800 hand in the face, right. 1452 01:14:52.760 --> 01:14:53.560 That's exactly. 1453 01:14:54.760 --> 01:14:57.960 Yeah, and just stop. The answer is stop. 1454 01:14:58.560 --> 01:15:01.119 MLB will turn this car around to help. 1455 01:15:00.960 --> 01:15:02.560 People turn this car around. 1456 01:15:02.840 --> 01:15:03.279 That's right. 1457 01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:06.640 Let's go to our first segment, staying on the road 1458 01:15:07.079 --> 01:15:11.279 instead around the horn we mentioned it before Seth Halverson. Yes, 1459 01:15:12.039 --> 01:15:18.439 the first trade deadline move. David are raised. 1460 01:15:18.199 --> 01:15:19.760 David Peterson count as a trade. 1461 01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:23.119 David Peterson like you, I don't know. 1462 01:15:23.239 --> 01:15:24.760 I guess it's got to be after the All Star 1463 01:15:24.840 --> 01:15:28.199 break to be like, that's kind of where that's fair. 1464 01:15:28.239 --> 01:15:31.960 I think Seth Halverson to the Dodgers for Nick Frosso 1465 01:15:32.199 --> 01:15:37.720 and Landon. You'll be surprised how he spells it. But Doric, Yeah, 1466 01:15:38.600 --> 01:15:43.119 uh this this has a lot of hallmarks. 1467 01:15:43.479 --> 01:15:47.600 Yeah, this is this is the most on brand first 1468 01:15:47.640 --> 01:15:49.720 deadline trade possible the. 1469 01:15:49.840 --> 01:15:53.880 Dodgers that involves the Rockies. There's a deal involves the 1470 01:15:53.960 --> 01:15:54.600 Rockies at all. 1471 01:15:55.119 --> 01:15:56.159 I mean, it's it's shocking. 1472 01:15:56.159 --> 01:15:57.000 It's new management. 1473 01:15:57.640 --> 01:15:59.760 There are usually the Dodgers don't have to give up 1474 01:15:59.800 --> 01:16:04.800 any thing to get an interesting Rockies reliever they described them. Yeah, 1475 01:16:05.680 --> 01:16:10.319 uh so Saith Halverson throws very hard. Yes, does not 1476 01:16:10.359 --> 01:16:13.079 throw a lot of strikes. The Dodger sent him immediately 1477 01:16:13.119 --> 01:16:14.239 Triple A after this trade. 1478 01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:16.239 Yeah, well he's on rehab. 1479 01:16:16.399 --> 01:16:19.960 He's on the rehab. He's also like he's. 1480 01:16:19.840 --> 01:16:21.920 Also yeah, he's been in Triple A some this year. 1481 01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:23.159 Yes, ye, yeah, but he is. 1482 01:16:23.279 --> 01:16:26.199 He's on the Major League injured list he is on 1483 01:16:26.279 --> 01:16:29.720 his rehab assignment. I think they will just option to 1484 01:16:29.720 --> 01:16:30.159 be sure. 1485 01:16:31.560 --> 01:16:37.640 But yeah, for you know Nick Frosso who's made top 1486 01:16:37.680 --> 01:16:40.119 one on ones in the past, and then Dark who 1487 01:16:40.119 --> 01:16:41.840 I liked a lot out of the draft. 1488 01:16:41.880 --> 01:16:44.920 Out of the draft. Yeah, he's the tools guy out 1489 01:16:44.960 --> 01:16:49.720 of the draft, big tools. Except you know, Patrick, what 1490 01:16:49.760 --> 01:16:52.840 did you say the the I forget exactly how you 1491 01:16:52.880 --> 01:16:55.279 phrased it, but you said so, you know, it was like, 1492 01:16:55.680 --> 01:16:56.720 we're littered. 1493 01:16:56.399 --> 01:17:00.560 With yeah, the the the background of America littered with 1494 01:17:00.720 --> 01:17:02.640 prospects who had everything but the hit tool. 1495 01:17:02.800 --> 01:17:03.000 Yeah. 1496 01:17:03.079 --> 01:17:04.720 Yes, and that's exactly right. 1497 01:17:04.760 --> 01:17:08.359 And look, the Dodgers picked him, gave him a swing change. 1498 01:17:09.039 --> 01:17:09.640 It didn't work. 1499 01:17:09.760 --> 01:17:10.640 It's not going well. 1500 01:17:10.680 --> 01:17:12.800 It's not going well. So there is something to the 1501 01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:14.439 idea that, like, if the Dodgers are giving up on 1502 01:17:14.479 --> 01:17:16.359 a bat, there's quickly that probably tells you something. 1503 01:17:17.159 --> 01:17:19.039 But the rock Dodgers are triting for relief. 1504 01:17:19.119 --> 01:17:24.079 The Rockies also love Big twelve like major conference college performers. 1505 01:17:24.439 --> 01:17:26.039 I don't think it's a bad shout. 1506 01:17:27.479 --> 01:17:30.760 Yeah, it's not a bad flyer. It's also the Rockies 1507 01:17:30.760 --> 01:17:31.800 doing nothing well. 1508 01:17:31.800 --> 01:17:33.159 Again, there are a lot of hallmarks. 1509 01:17:33.279 --> 01:17:36.640 Yeah, that Frasco isn't a bad shout either. But it's 1510 01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:37.840 also like again. 1511 01:17:37.640 --> 01:17:42.239 And the horse was around in Los Angeles to draft Frosso, right, 1512 01:17:42.319 --> 01:17:43.560 So that's part of this as well. 1513 01:17:43.600 --> 01:17:50.119 Sure there are a lot of indicators in both directions here. 1514 01:17:50.319 --> 01:17:53.279 Yeah, but could it work out for Colorado? 1515 01:17:53.760 --> 01:17:56.039 I'm striking out like forty percent of the time in 1516 01:17:56.039 --> 01:17:56.720 the cow leagues. 1517 01:17:57.479 --> 01:18:01.760 Yeah, No, it's it's essentially the way the Rockies are 1518 01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:03.640 looking at it. They're trading what they see as a 1519 01:18:03.640 --> 01:18:06.159 middle reliever for what they see as a room middle 1520 01:18:06.199 --> 01:18:09.319 reliever and getting a getting a lottery ticket. 1521 01:18:09.560 --> 01:18:09.760 Yep. 1522 01:18:10.359 --> 01:18:13.399 Uh, I don't know if I see them that way. 1523 01:18:14.159 --> 01:18:17.239 I don't think I think that's what's going to happen after. 1524 01:18:17.359 --> 01:18:20.159 Exactly like as I wrote the t A, it's so 1525 01:18:20.239 --> 01:18:22.640 easy to see this trade going badly for the Rockies. 1526 01:18:22.720 --> 01:18:28.920 It's just it's so easy, like he'll just be a 1527 01:18:28.960 --> 01:18:29.840 good reliever in Frost. 1528 01:18:29.920 --> 01:18:32.119 I mean, the Dodgers trading with the Rockies is very much. 1529 01:18:32.119 --> 01:18:33.880 I love this te for the Dodgers. Who they give 1530 01:18:33.960 --> 01:18:36.960 up and who they get, Yeah, I mean. 1531 01:18:37.600 --> 01:18:41.279 We've done this a lot with a number of the 1532 01:18:41.319 --> 01:18:45.560 Dodgers go through guys, right, they could be something and 1533 01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:46.720 a lot of them flame out. 1534 01:18:46.800 --> 01:18:48.520 Yeah, they might not hit on this, but like. 1535 01:18:50.039 --> 01:18:50.640 But they could. 1536 01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:51.640 I was going back out. 1537 01:18:51.600 --> 01:18:53.520 And it could be worth a lot. I mean they 1538 01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:55.239 got Michael Kopak, who was. 1539 01:18:56.840 --> 01:18:59.399 Profile, and they look they got what they needed out 1540 01:18:59.439 --> 01:19:01.520 of Michael Cope because they can just keep running it. 1541 01:19:01.840 --> 01:19:04.199 Bauman was posted by this blue sky and. 1542 01:19:04.159 --> 01:19:06.920 Like, no, no, I agree. My point is, like I 1543 01:19:06.960 --> 01:19:09.960 think Michael Kopak is is the reference point here in 1544 01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:12.359 the sense that like you know, maybe he'll be injured 1545 01:19:12.359 --> 01:19:14.800 most of the time, maybe whatever, but like they got 1546 01:19:14.800 --> 01:19:16.279 some they got the high leverage. 1547 01:19:16.520 --> 01:19:19.600 Again, he's gonna miss a year. He's gonna have a 1548 01:19:19.600 --> 01:19:21.000 season where he pitches to a five E r A 1549 01:19:21.079 --> 01:19:22.760 and gets optioned a bunch and then he's gonna close 1550 01:19:22.760 --> 01:19:24.600 out the last eight outs of a World Series. Like 1551 01:19:24.600 --> 01:19:27.920 it's gonna be like the most like Dodgers outcome possible. 1552 01:19:28.239 --> 01:19:31.840 And yeah, I mean he doesn't He has a fastball 1553 01:19:31.880 --> 01:19:34.239 and not much else. Yeah, well but they also they 1554 01:19:34.319 --> 01:19:34.600 ran this. 1555 01:19:35.800 --> 01:19:38.479 He did just play with Jake McGee. 1556 01:19:38.680 --> 01:19:41.359 Yeah right, it's a really good fastball, and I think 1557 01:19:41.359 --> 01:19:42.720 they can give him a hard slide. I mean, he's 1558 01:19:42.720 --> 01:19:48.479 still a hard slider before he could be he could 1559 01:19:48.479 --> 01:19:53.560 be like very easily. Yeah, and with surprise. 1560 01:19:53.760 --> 01:19:54.760 There are things to six. 1561 01:19:56.600 --> 01:19:59.000 And it like Franco wasn't going to pitch for them 1562 01:19:59.079 --> 01:20:03.840 between the injuries and the loss of control and whatever else, and. 1563 01:20:03.840 --> 01:20:06.680 Like K's like they're they also, I mean the other 1564 01:20:06.720 --> 01:20:10.600 part of the prospect, didn't they They had to like 1565 01:20:10.720 --> 01:20:14.439 d f a frosso and then yeah yeah, so like 1566 01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:18.039 I don't know, like he was available for free right. 1567 01:20:19.640 --> 01:20:20.279 At one point. 1568 01:20:20.520 --> 01:20:22.640 From the Dodgers' perspective, it's kind of like, okay. 1569 01:20:22.439 --> 01:20:23.960 Well they had to clear the forty man spots, so 1570 01:20:24.000 --> 01:20:26.039 they've traded Seth Howerson to do it. 1571 01:20:26.920 --> 01:20:32.399 Yeah, yeah, so we'll you know, we'll see. Yeah, I 1572 01:20:33.159 --> 01:20:35.079 agree with I agree with both of you. Like this 1573 01:20:35.199 --> 01:20:39.600 has just the vibes of getting away with. 1574 01:20:39.520 --> 01:20:42.840 It, right, Like for the Dodgers just turned into nothing. 1575 01:20:42.880 --> 01:20:44.479 It is like for the Dodgers is probably going to 1576 01:20:44.560 --> 01:20:47.199 be a small loss or a big win, which means 1577 01:20:47.199 --> 01:20:48.520 for the Rockies. 1578 01:20:50.319 --> 01:20:58.720 Right in other hard throwing relievers, Nate Pearson is a royal? 1579 01:20:59.000 --> 01:21:01.159 Should I rip this up? I just didn't feel like writing. 1580 01:21:01.000 --> 01:21:04.159 Yeah, no, I don't think you he's just he's on 1581 01:21:04.199 --> 01:21:07.640 the he's on the track. Now right, it's Royals and 1582 01:21:07.680 --> 01:21:09.680 then it's going to be either Rockies or Marlins. 1583 01:21:10.359 --> 01:21:13.319 The real question is, did did you know where Nate 1584 01:21:13.319 --> 01:21:15.079 Pearson was prior to this trade? 1585 01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:18.079 I think we talked about him. We're doing various Astros things. 1586 01:21:17.920 --> 01:21:20.479 Over the season we had but like generally speak. 1587 01:21:20.279 --> 01:21:21.960 Generally speaking, now, I just. 1588 01:21:22.920 --> 01:21:25.479 He was still in the clubs and I would have 1589 01:21:25.479 --> 01:21:26.079 been with you. 1590 01:21:26.199 --> 01:21:29.199 Yeah. I remember seeing something about like half the Astros 1591 01:21:29.199 --> 01:21:32.600 guaranteed contracts this season this offseason had been released. 1592 01:21:33.159 --> 01:21:36.079 Yeah, now what are the Royals exactly doing with the 1593 01:21:36.159 --> 01:21:37.159 Nate Pearson. 1594 01:21:38.680 --> 01:21:39.439 He throws hard? 1595 01:21:39.960 --> 01:21:43.800 Yeah, I mean they have room room and you have 1596 01:21:43.840 --> 01:21:44.920 Seth Alverson at home. 1597 01:21:45.399 --> 01:21:46.439 Seth Alverson at home. 1598 01:21:48.279 --> 01:21:50.239 I mean sometimes you just need new people to boo. 1599 01:21:50.720 --> 01:21:55.600 Yeah, that's the episode. 1600 01:21:58.840 --> 01:22:03.239 Speaking of guys who threw a hard show. Tommy throws 1601 01:22:03.279 --> 01:22:06.720 a bullpen again, he's not he's not pitching for the 1602 01:22:06.760 --> 01:22:11.279 moment because of his knee. I'm assuming it was successful. 1603 01:22:11.920 --> 01:22:13.159 The Dodgers are encouraged. 1604 01:22:13.640 --> 01:22:16.800 Okay, great, they don't even know until the playoffs, so man, 1605 01:22:17.800 --> 01:22:19.760 he's on he's on track to pitch for the playoffs. 1606 01:22:19.800 --> 01:22:26.960 Then Carlos Carrasco not not back with Atlanta. 1607 01:22:27.119 --> 01:22:28.119 Not bad with Atlanta. 1608 01:22:28.319 --> 01:22:28.720 Patrick. 1609 01:22:29.199 --> 01:22:33.960 Uh, yeah, so I guess, I you know, so he 1610 01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:37.920 has been released and acquired by the Braves seven times 1611 01:22:37.960 --> 01:22:42.520 in the pass calendar year. But I guess at this point, uh, 1612 01:22:42.640 --> 01:22:45.000 there are just too many people ahead of him on 1613 01:22:45.039 --> 01:22:48.119 the pecking order, like Smith Shover's back, I think, uh 1614 01:22:48.479 --> 01:22:53.439 Strider's back, and he just you had who was the 1615 01:22:53.439 --> 01:22:59.520 other one that was being shuttled with him? It was regardless, 1616 01:22:59.560 --> 01:23:03.359 It like you could get the same Jared. Yeah, who 1617 01:23:03.600 --> 01:23:06.079 I may not be as good as Carls Grascow, I 1618 01:23:06.079 --> 01:23:13.439 don't know, I certainly more worth checking out at this point. 1619 01:23:14.000 --> 01:23:19.960 So Crasco basically decided that maybe the gravy train, the slow, 1620 01:23:21.199 --> 01:23:23.720 terribly crowded gravy train that he has been on u 1621 01:23:23.800 --> 01:23:25.119 has come to an end. So he has signed with 1622 01:23:25.159 --> 01:23:30.239 the LG Twins. The Twins are in third place in 1623 01:23:30.319 --> 01:23:32.479 the KBO right now. There are three games back of 1624 01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:36.119 first place where they were yesterday when I checked, Which is, 1625 01:23:36.319 --> 01:23:40.199 you know, close enough like LG did win it all 1626 01:23:40.279 --> 01:23:44.279 last year, they're close enough to be contending and so 1627 01:23:44.399 --> 01:23:46.479 we might. I was trying to think about this, is 1628 01:23:46.520 --> 01:23:48.279 this the first time we have a chance at a 1629 01:23:48.279 --> 01:23:52.479 player getting two championship rings in the same season. We 1630 01:23:52.520 --> 01:23:54.800 always talk about the guys who would get a ring 1631 01:23:54.840 --> 01:23:58.680 no matter what because they're on both. Yes, your tailored trails, 1632 01:23:59.439 --> 01:24:01.000 unless there's I mean, I don't want to count like 1633 01:24:01.039 --> 01:24:04.079 winter leagues because then anybody could do that, right, But 1634 01:24:04.279 --> 01:24:06.640 has there any Has there been anybody playing in two 1635 01:24:06.640 --> 01:24:10.199 different summer leagues in two different countries that got championship 1636 01:24:10.239 --> 01:24:10.840 rings for both? 1637 01:24:10.880 --> 01:24:12.439 Yeah, probably be like a Mexican league. 1638 01:24:12.800 --> 01:24:14.760 The Mexican League is the one that felt like the 1639 01:24:14.800 --> 01:24:16.159 most likely. 1640 01:24:17.239 --> 01:24:20.520 That the Nationals were still bad when they had jeffet Amaturs. 1641 01:24:20.600 --> 01:24:23.520 Never mind. Yeah, I don't think anyone's ever done it 1642 01:24:23.640 --> 01:24:26.760 in an Asian league. Yeah, because most of the time, 1643 01:24:27.079 --> 01:24:29.439 coming over midseason is rare. Although for the KBO it 1644 01:24:29.439 --> 01:24:34.239 feels like it's happening more, mostly because I think more 1645 01:24:34.359 --> 01:24:38.880 players are willing to do it. I don't feel like 1646 01:24:38.960 --> 01:24:40.600 a lot of people would have taken three hundred and 1647 01:24:40.600 --> 01:24:44.199 sixty thousand dollars to fly to Korea for two months 1648 01:24:45.119 --> 01:24:47.479 ten years ago. I will, I'll do it. Well, yeah, 1649 01:24:47.640 --> 01:24:52.159 you know, but also I think that like the KBO 1650 01:24:52.319 --> 01:24:53.920 was also better at cars. 1651 01:24:54.199 --> 01:24:56.119 Also just like strikes me as a guy that's just 1652 01:24:56.119 --> 01:24:58.199 gonna keep pitching as long as something will pay him. 1653 01:24:58.359 --> 01:25:00.720 Yeah. I could see him the CPB on next year, yeah, right. 1654 01:25:00.640 --> 01:25:02.239 Like that, or like the Ice Crene League, or he's 1655 01:25:02.239 --> 01:25:05.319 gonna he's gonna pay forty forty you're gonna pitch winter 1656 01:25:05.359 --> 01:25:07.199 ball to him, and Rahadamus Liz are going to pitch 1657 01:25:07.239 --> 01:25:09.560 winter ball to they're like forty five dueling. 1658 01:25:09.640 --> 01:25:12.520 Yeah, so yeah, good friend. 1659 01:25:13.000 --> 01:25:16.079 Okay, they are different ages, right are they the same? 1660 01:25:16.119 --> 01:25:16.279 Age? 1661 01:25:16.359 --> 01:25:17.640 Is Redonis Liz that old? 1662 01:25:17.720 --> 01:25:21.039 They might be? Well check out they were projected about. 1663 01:25:21.079 --> 01:25:22.319 Let's look at this they were pected. 1664 01:25:22.359 --> 01:25:24.880 Oh my god, oh my god. 1665 01:25:25.000 --> 01:25:27.159 Maybe it's just because he never made it, Like Wheredonmis 1666 01:25:27.199 --> 01:25:28.239 Liz feels younger. 1667 01:25:28.439 --> 01:25:29.199 Liz is forty two. 1668 01:25:29.600 --> 01:25:30.760 Now he's at all lots. 1669 01:25:30.960 --> 01:25:33.800 Yeah, Redonmis Liz is forty two. 1670 01:25:34.359 --> 01:25:36.279 I mean he debuted in two thousand and seven. 1671 01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:40.199 Oh but that I mean Carrasco thousand and nine and. 1672 01:25:40.399 --> 01:25:42.600 He's still pitching. He's got a four to seven eight 1673 01:25:42.680 --> 01:25:43.520 year Oh. 1674 01:25:43.520 --> 01:25:44.600 He's definitely still pitching. 1675 01:25:44.640 --> 01:25:46.199 That was again, yeah, oh my god. 1676 01:25:46.720 --> 01:25:50.960 Okay, all right, some people again like he just he 1677 01:25:51.279 --> 01:25:57.359 left my consciousness and like I just never updated. And 1678 01:25:57.399 --> 01:25:59.600 also like two thousand and seven and twenty twelve are 1679 01:25:59.600 --> 01:26:00.000 the same. 1680 01:26:00.159 --> 01:26:01.119 Me sure? 1681 01:26:04.880 --> 01:26:10.079 All right? Uh. Lastly, Garrett, speaking of of being back 1682 01:26:10.119 --> 01:26:13.079 for the playoffs, Jeff Garrett Crochet plans to be back 1683 01:26:13.279 --> 01:26:16.039 by the playoffs, okay, which the. 1684 01:26:16.000 --> 01:26:18.600 Red Sox now might be a factor into. 1685 01:26:19.039 --> 01:26:21.439 We do have one little bit of breaking news that 1686 01:26:22.239 --> 01:26:24.399 well we hadn't mentioned on the pod. I wouldn't have 1687 01:26:24.399 --> 01:26:26.960 brought it up because it's not that important. But Patrick 1688 01:26:26.960 --> 01:26:31.079 Corbyn will not finish the year as the I mean 1689 01:26:31.119 --> 01:26:32.720 the third most starts on the Jays. He is at 1690 01:26:32.760 --> 01:26:34.960 the Ayah where they left terrace major strain. 1691 01:26:35.520 --> 01:26:37.680 Mm hmm. That's tough. 1692 01:26:37.720 --> 01:26:41.960 That's like your shoulder slash o bleak area, right, I believe. 1693 01:26:41.800 --> 01:26:43.920 It's like not it's your lap, but not your lap. 1694 01:26:47.960 --> 01:26:51.159 On that note, we'll go to our game, all right. 1695 01:26:51.880 --> 01:26:54.199 Let's uh, let's bring it down a little bit. I know, 1696 01:26:54.319 --> 01:26:55.960 last last time. 1697 01:26:57.399 --> 01:27:01.319 I got I got a message, I got a message 1698 01:27:01.359 --> 01:27:04.720 that said, like you had a full meltdown, you a 1699 01:27:04.720 --> 01:27:07.960 full meltdown, and this is I don't want to say 1700 01:27:07.960 --> 01:27:12.520 to people, but this person loved it. So we're gonna 1701 01:27:12.960 --> 01:27:15.840 my My argument back, by the way, was just that 1702 01:27:16.960 --> 01:27:20.359 I really what what when I felt I really really lost. 1703 01:27:20.399 --> 01:27:25.199 It was when you started taunting me about the score. No, 1704 01:27:25.319 --> 01:27:28.159 you didn't, just it wasn't It wasn't an outward taunt. 1705 01:27:28.319 --> 01:27:32.720 It was just updating the score. Look, it's an audio medium, 1706 01:27:33.399 --> 01:27:34.640 and there's note we can't. 1707 01:27:34.439 --> 01:27:35.239 We don't have a question. 1708 01:27:36.159 --> 01:27:40.840 Yeah, yeah, you got your egg timer. It only comes 1709 01:27:40.920 --> 01:27:44.960 up when I'm trailing and have no prayer and you. 1710 01:27:45.800 --> 01:27:52.079 Yeah, look I learned for the best, you know, Red Barber. Yeah, 1711 01:27:52.359 --> 01:27:54.119 all right, So this is the seventh fifty club. We 1712 01:27:54.159 --> 01:27:56.439 haven't played this in one So just to remind the listeners, 1713 01:27:56.800 --> 01:27:59.920 I'm going to name off twelve players and you're gonna 1714 01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:03.960 me if their career OPS is above or below seven 1715 01:28:03.960 --> 01:28:04.399 to fifty? 1716 01:28:04.680 --> 01:28:08.159 Are any of them active? Y? You want to bring 1717 01:28:08.279 --> 01:28:11.399 you want to bring down the temperature with this game. 1718 01:28:13.279 --> 01:28:16.319 If you say andres is to me, I'm walking away. 1719 01:28:16.359 --> 01:28:18.760 Oh it's not even He's not even close. Its first 1720 01:28:18.800 --> 01:28:20.199 of all, that was seven hundred. 1721 01:28:20.439 --> 01:28:20.640 Yeah. 1722 01:28:20.680 --> 01:28:22.680 By the way, he's not close to seven hundred anymore either. 1723 01:28:24.239 --> 01:28:27.319 There are a few vindicated There are a few active 1724 01:28:27.359 --> 01:28:30.840 players on this list, So beware, all right, you'll both 1725 01:28:31.159 --> 01:28:33.199 I don't care you guys can take turns going first 1726 01:28:33.239 --> 01:28:40.439 on this. Uh, the first one is Jimmy Rawlins. Mm hmm, Greig, 1727 01:28:40.560 --> 01:28:40.840 what do. 1728 01:28:40.800 --> 01:28:49.399 You think I'm gonna I'm gonna say, yes, okay, over over, 1729 01:28:49.520 --> 01:28:50.159 sorry over. 1730 01:28:50.439 --> 01:28:55.439 I So he was never like a high ops titter 1731 01:28:55.520 --> 01:28:58.640 at his peak, but he also didn't have a tike. 1732 01:28:59.279 --> 01:29:01.560 He got traded thes and I was just pretty much done. 1733 01:29:02.920 --> 01:29:03.760 So I'm gonna stay over. 1734 01:29:03.960 --> 01:29:07.760 It's like seven sixty, okay, so we'll go ahead and 1735 01:29:07.800 --> 01:29:11.119 start off at zero zero because it was seven forty three. 1736 01:29:12.000 --> 01:29:14.439 Okay, sure, longer to climb period, that's range. 1737 01:29:14.520 --> 01:29:17.760 I just I thought all those all those he wasn't 1738 01:29:17.760 --> 01:29:21.319 a homer guy necessarily, all those extra base hits. 1739 01:29:21.119 --> 01:29:23.960 He did have, so it was a full year of 1740 01:29:26.039 --> 01:29:28.960 his peak was basically until two. 1741 01:29:29.119 --> 01:29:31.199 I just thought it was just like a relatively decent 1742 01:29:31.399 --> 01:29:33.720 time for often but I guess a lot of that 1743 01:29:34.039 --> 01:29:37.399 like twenty fourteen, twenty thirteen, twenty four horrible for offense. 1744 01:29:37.479 --> 01:29:41.119 Yeah, and which disguised him. Actually he had decent. Yeah, 1745 01:29:41.119 --> 01:29:43.279 he had no PS plus one hundred and twenty fourteen, 1746 01:29:43.319 --> 01:29:46.239 which was seven seventeen, but he uh right, but that 1747 01:29:46.439 --> 01:29:50.560 he had, Yeah, he hadn't been above one o four 1748 01:29:50.720 --> 01:29:53.000 since like his twenty age twenty eight seasons so. 1749 01:29:53.439 --> 01:29:55.039 Long, longer to climb period than I thought. 1750 01:29:55.159 --> 01:29:59.239 Yeah, it doesn't shock me, but yeah, Jeff. 1751 01:29:59.439 --> 01:30:00.079 Ramon Lauri. 1752 01:30:01.760 --> 01:30:04.600 Man so the opposite of Jimmy Rowlands that it's gone 1753 01:30:04.600 --> 01:30:05.239 off recently. 1754 01:30:05.960 --> 01:30:09.920 Uh tough year, not real recently, Yeah. 1755 01:30:09.840 --> 01:30:15.520 Not real recently. I like, I feel like Loreano's more 1756 01:30:15.560 --> 01:30:17.199 of a part time player when he's bad and a 1757 01:30:17.239 --> 01:30:24.239 full time player when he's good. So I'll say over, okay, Craig, Yeah, 1758 01:30:24.840 --> 01:30:27.239 I just feel like he just had, like I'm gonna say, 1759 01:30:27.239 --> 01:30:30.359 his best two seasons were like significantly better than Rowinds, 1760 01:30:30.399 --> 01:30:32.239 I don't know, PS spaces. 1761 01:30:33.520 --> 01:30:35.560 Yeah, he, I mean he also had a number of 1762 01:30:37.199 --> 01:30:40.319 I don't know, I'm I'm gonna say under. But this 1763 01:30:40.399 --> 01:30:42.000 is another one to me where it wouldn't surprise me 1764 01:30:42.000 --> 01:30:42.479 if it's over. 1765 01:30:42.560 --> 01:30:46.920 I mean, like, I'm not gonna get mad. I'm gonna say, uh, 1766 01:30:47.439 --> 01:30:51.119 Jeff takes the lead. It is seven sixty. Loreanno's career 1767 01:30:51.159 --> 01:30:56.199 is interesting in that his decline wasn't as bad or 1768 01:30:56.359 --> 01:30:59.760 for as long as it feels like his ops plus 1769 01:31:00.239 --> 01:31:04.479 year ninety eight, one eleven, ninety four, eighty nine, one 1770 01:31:04.560 --> 01:31:08.560 oh seven, one thirty seven and now eighty three. So 1771 01:31:09.159 --> 01:31:10.720 it did feel like forever did he suck? 1772 01:31:10.760 --> 01:31:12.319 But it was really like just it's also like he's 1773 01:31:12.359 --> 01:31:15.359 a corner outfielder too, so like those guys when it 1774 01:31:15.800 --> 01:31:17.680 when those ops's rops like so hard, it's like I 1775 01:31:17.720 --> 01:31:18.720 have a boss this guy. 1776 01:31:19.079 --> 01:31:24.119 All right, number three, Craig your first Patrick Wisdom? 1777 01:31:24.159 --> 01:31:27.000 Okay, okay, I don't for I don't want to know. 1778 01:31:27.159 --> 01:31:31.720 I just how many plate appearances as Patrick Wisdom. 1779 01:31:31.119 --> 01:31:34.359 This year, Marri's this year? Four? 1780 01:31:34.600 --> 01:31:35.039 Okay? 1781 01:31:35.239 --> 01:31:37.520 How many plate appearances does he have in his career? 1782 01:31:37.720 --> 01:31:39.560 One than five hundred and seventeen? 1783 01:31:39.680 --> 01:31:41.199 Okay, I thought there was a chance it was under 1784 01:31:41.239 --> 01:31:43.680 one thousand he had. 1785 01:31:43.840 --> 01:31:46.680 Basically, you're two and a half full seasons. That comes. 1786 01:31:50.760 --> 01:31:52.760 In my head. I can't imagine I'm having a full 1787 01:31:52.800 --> 01:31:54.560 season with an OPS over seven fifty. 1788 01:31:54.640 --> 01:32:01.800 So this is I have my head in my hand. Yeah, listeners, 1789 01:32:02.159 --> 01:32:02.720 this is. 1790 01:32:02.960 --> 01:32:06.000 I like how Patrick said there'd be some players that 1791 01:32:06.039 --> 01:32:10.760 were active, and. 1792 01:32:10.319 --> 01:32:13.800 My problem it's it's just one of those things. He 1793 01:32:13.920 --> 01:32:18.680 has had those obviously very very hot streaks, right, but 1794 01:32:18.840 --> 01:32:21.840 like then he's so bad. 1795 01:32:22.079 --> 01:32:24.479 It's very very hot streaks. His OBP is like three 1796 01:32:24.560 --> 01:32:25.119 ten two. 1797 01:32:26.319 --> 01:32:28.880 Yeah, but the slug in. I mean, like he's so 1798 01:32:29.000 --> 01:32:31.319 bad that he then gets sent to the miners or 1799 01:32:31.359 --> 01:32:35.479 cut immediately. I also just I've been wrong foot. I 1800 01:32:35.520 --> 01:32:38.159 mean like I'm on the wrong foot constantly here and now. 1801 01:32:38.199 --> 01:32:40.720 But now I don't know. Patrick's in my head already. 1802 01:32:41.199 --> 01:32:47.680 I I can't nothing in my in my head content. 1803 01:32:47.800 --> 01:32:50.239 I agree with like it seems like like it has 1804 01:32:50.279 --> 01:32:52.079 to be under. But I also like, you're putting in 1805 01:32:52.199 --> 01:32:58.119 here and I I don't know you. You've spun me around. 1806 01:32:58.199 --> 01:33:01.880 I'm completely I'm dizzy already. I'm gonna say over fuck it. 1807 01:33:01.920 --> 01:33:02.560 I don't know under. 1808 01:33:02.920 --> 01:33:03.319 I'm lost. 1809 01:33:03.319 --> 01:33:06.479 I'm going to go zero for this entire exercise, and. 1810 01:33:06.439 --> 01:33:10.920 You're going under. Jeff, Yeah, okay, yeah he might. It's 1811 01:33:10.960 --> 01:33:14.800 too nothing. It is under seven points. I will say 1812 01:33:14.880 --> 01:33:18.000 Patrick more home runs. 1813 01:33:17.960 --> 01:33:20.119 Than Jimmy Rollins. 1814 01:33:20.439 --> 01:33:24.840 Then well no, but Jake Cronenworth, Alec Bohm, c j Abrams, 1815 01:33:24.920 --> 01:33:27.680 Kerry Carpenter, he has eighty nine career what does. 1816 01:33:27.560 --> 01:33:29.560 He actually hit for the Mariners this year? 1817 01:33:29.600 --> 01:33:32.039 Out of curious he has hit very badly for the Mariners. 1818 01:33:32.039 --> 01:33:37.439 He won at the single home run. It's it's amazing 1819 01:33:37.520 --> 01:33:42.039 that he is was in baseball this year. Yeah, No, 1820 01:33:42.079 --> 01:33:42.520 he's been bad. 1821 01:33:42.520 --> 01:33:44.079 Would rather have Ham or Buddy Kennedy. 1822 01:33:44.119 --> 01:33:48.119 Though he hit twenty eight career runs, what was his 1823 01:33:48.159 --> 01:33:49.159 career number? 1824 01:33:49.840 --> 01:33:54.199 Seven forty? Okay, all right, next one, Jeff your first 1825 01:33:54.239 --> 01:33:55.239 masta take Yashida. 1826 01:33:58.319 --> 01:33:59.880 I've actually looked at his I don't I don't know 1827 01:34:00.039 --> 01:34:02.159 he's doing this year for the problem, but he's like 1828 01:34:02.279 --> 01:34:05.479 exactly like a one oh eight ops guy and Fenway. 1829 01:34:07.279 --> 01:34:08.920 A lot of OBP generally speaking. 1830 01:34:09.119 --> 01:34:11.319 I think that's enough to get him over seven fifty. 1831 01:34:11.600 --> 01:34:14.520 Say over. I don't feel great about it. Okay, it's 1832 01:34:14.520 --> 01:34:16.640 also possibly is like a six forty this year that's 1833 01:34:16.680 --> 01:34:18.720 knocked him under. But I'm not going to complain about it, 1834 01:34:18.760 --> 01:34:19.840 like Craig with andres Semennez. 1835 01:34:19.880 --> 01:34:26.319 I'm just gonna my My issue with not with Andrew 1836 01:34:26.359 --> 01:34:28.960 Simenaz was not what he had done on the season. 1837 01:34:29.239 --> 01:34:34.880 It was the night before. I didn't even think that 1838 01:34:34.960 --> 01:34:37.079 game like your grand would be more. 1839 01:34:37.199 --> 01:34:41.159 Legitimate, Jo Capiro gamesmanship here. 1840 01:34:41.560 --> 01:34:46.439 Would be more legitimate if what I wasn't the one 1841 01:34:46.439 --> 01:34:48.039 who put him that is in the game. 1842 01:34:48.199 --> 01:34:48.399 I was. 1843 01:34:48.640 --> 01:34:49.000 It was me. 1844 01:34:49.520 --> 01:34:50.760 He just went back and looked up that. 1845 01:34:50.880 --> 01:34:53.159 I just that was the problem. 1846 01:34:54.359 --> 01:34:59.680 The problem was opening someone's fat. Yeah. 1847 01:35:00.560 --> 01:35:02.520 Look, it's like on Jeopardy, you're allowed to like the 1848 01:35:02.760 --> 01:35:05.359 they're allowed to go back and change the like change 1849 01:35:05.399 --> 01:35:08.079 the answer for Jeopardy in the commercial break, just. 1850 01:35:07.960 --> 01:35:11.000 Shut your mouth past would you like, Craig, would you 1851 01:35:11.079 --> 01:35:13.279 like to say that you must have talked? She is 1852 01:35:13.319 --> 01:35:19.800 above or below? Hello? All right, well it's three nothing 1853 01:35:19.880 --> 01:35:22.359 that she has a seven fifty eight. He's done quite, 1854 01:35:22.439 --> 01:35:24.680 he's fun fine. This year he has a career one 1855 01:35:24.720 --> 01:35:27.800 on nine E P bus and is this year it's we. 1856 01:35:27.840 --> 01:35:29.800 Don't have to update the score after everything. 1857 01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:33.920 Okay, Uh BJ Sirhoff, Craig, your first. 1858 01:35:37.159 --> 01:35:39.560 I had so many BJ sir Hoff baseball cards. 1859 01:35:39.720 --> 01:35:41.479 You sure did, because he was around forever. 1860 01:35:41.720 --> 01:35:45.319 Also, like he had like a really good years in Oriole, 1861 01:35:45.600 --> 01:35:48.479 which I was, he did exposed to a lot as 1862 01:35:48.479 --> 01:35:52.279 a Maryland Marylander. And like, I don't know if that's 1863 01:35:52.319 --> 01:35:58.279 completely skewed my recollection of his entire I don't go 1864 01:35:58.359 --> 01:36:03.000 look at his entire career. Yeah, so in my head 1865 01:36:03.039 --> 01:36:07.880 it's over. But boy, I don't know, I don't know. 1866 01:36:09.079 --> 01:36:12.479 Uh sure, I'll go over whatever, Okay, Jeff. 1867 01:36:12.199 --> 01:36:14.600 I'm going to default to the my role for late 1868 01:36:14.600 --> 01:36:17.359 eighties early nineties catchers and just stay under Yeah. 1869 01:36:17.399 --> 01:36:20.800 It's it's easy to remember. Forget how long he caught, yeah, 1870 01:36:20.840 --> 01:36:22.800 because nobody brings him up as one of the catcher 1871 01:36:22.840 --> 01:36:26.079 conversions along Craig Beg You. But he was a primary 1872 01:36:26.119 --> 01:36:33.960 catcher for like six years and he he hit like yeah, 1873 01:36:34.079 --> 01:36:35.840 uh he was good at an oriole. He was good 1874 01:36:35.880 --> 01:36:40.239 in the middle of his career, but very very long. Uh, 1875 01:36:40.800 --> 01:36:41.560 yeah he was. 1876 01:36:41.640 --> 01:36:44.279 And I knew he was bad after Like, but you know, 1877 01:36:44.439 --> 01:36:46.960 I have no I had no idea, all right, Jeff 1878 01:36:47.039 --> 01:36:48.199 Jeff Blauser. 1879 01:36:50.319 --> 01:36:53.159 You know again a guy I definitely watched play for 1880 01:36:53.239 --> 01:36:57.119 those Braves teams and young. I feel like I don't 1881 01:36:57.159 --> 01:37:00.760 know anything about Jeff Blauser, like like nothing, like no 1882 01:37:02.319 --> 01:37:06.439 cremated me about Jeff Blauser. I don't even know what 1883 01:37:06.520 --> 01:37:08.199 kind of hitter he was. I don't think a very 1884 01:37:08.239 --> 01:37:10.199 good one. But he also had like I think he 1885 01:37:10.239 --> 01:37:12.520 had like the weird clutch gene or whatever. I think 1886 01:37:12.520 --> 01:37:20.000 we remember that people saying that about him. I will say, Jeff, 1887 01:37:21.319 --> 01:37:22.000 I will say. 1888 01:37:21.840 --> 01:37:25.840 Under ours, Okay, I was confusing. You said which Jeff, 1889 01:37:25.880 --> 01:37:28.279 Jeff Flaser? He said, under this is the Braves. 1890 01:37:28.359 --> 01:37:30.439 Then I'm gonna say over, I don't. I mean, I 1891 01:37:30.439 --> 01:37:32.720 don't know, but I might as well try it, and 1892 01:37:32.800 --> 01:37:34.359 it's a wise choice. You're on the board. 1893 01:37:34.720 --> 01:37:36.319 Jeff Blauser is surprisingly could here. 1894 01:37:36.520 --> 01:37:38.960 I would have said, I just like he struck me 1895 01:37:39.039 --> 01:37:45.680 like it was like a good OBP guy. Yeah, really 1896 01:37:45.840 --> 01:37:49.920 good for Jeff Blauser. Jeff Blauser, And I. 1897 01:37:51.319 --> 01:37:53.319 Would have said under if I was going for, I 1898 01:37:53.399 --> 01:37:54.800 just took the opposite. 1899 01:37:54.680 --> 01:38:02.680 Yeah, all right, Next one, Craig Stephen Drew. Oh, imagine. 1900 01:38:03.039 --> 01:38:07.760 Stephen. Stephen Drew is like the perfect seven fifty club guy. 1901 01:38:08.079 --> 01:38:10.079 I don't know who the perfect seven hundred club guy is, 1902 01:38:10.079 --> 01:38:12.920 maybe Willie Bloomquist, but like I think Stephen Drew. 1903 01:38:12.800 --> 01:38:17.399 Is, yeah, not no more. 1904 01:38:20.560 --> 01:38:24.520 All right, I'm gonna introduce in there. 1905 01:38:25.239 --> 01:38:28.479 So I'm gonna take this is again. I've I've I've 1906 01:38:28.920 --> 01:38:31.640 basically thrown in the towel. This is I'm taking under 1907 01:38:31.720 --> 01:38:37.119 on my vibes of Stephen Drew just being largely very disappointed. 1908 01:38:38.279 --> 01:38:40.159 I understand that the context of the era, and I 1909 01:38:40.199 --> 01:38:42.880 know he had some good seasons, but like I I 1910 01:38:43.000 --> 01:38:45.600 kind of remember people being like, oh Stephen, you know, 1911 01:38:45.640 --> 01:38:47.239 Stephen Drew having a good year, and I look at 1912 01:38:47.239 --> 01:38:49.640 the slash line and be like, this doesn't seem that good. 1913 01:38:50.039 --> 01:38:52.319 Remember, he and Michael Bourne were the two big free 1914 01:38:52.399 --> 01:38:54.399 like free agents se Mets were linked to that one 1915 01:38:54.439 --> 01:38:59.439 off season. Liked Michael Bourne, I like, I like in 1916 01:38:59.520 --> 01:39:01.880 my head, Stephen Drew had like one random, like eight 1917 01:39:01.960 --> 01:39:04.920 eighty ops season for the Diamondbacks in there, and then 1918 01:39:04.920 --> 01:39:07.079 she's just a question of did he play enough around 1919 01:39:07.079 --> 01:39:09.920 it to drag that under seven to fifty. I think 1920 01:39:09.960 --> 01:39:11.319 he did, so I'm gonna go under. 1921 01:39:12.119 --> 01:39:14.479 All right, you're both correct at seven forty one. 1922 01:39:15.720 --> 01:39:19.279 Yeah, he had a few, like I remember, I see, 1923 01:39:19.319 --> 01:39:21.800 I feel like even his good seasons were like eight hundred. 1924 01:39:22.119 --> 01:39:24.800 Yeah, he had a couple of eight thirties. Okay, Okay, 1925 01:39:25.359 --> 01:39:27.640 he had a very good season with the Nats in 1926 01:39:27.720 --> 01:39:29.800 twenty sixteen. It was only one hundred and forty three 1927 01:39:29.800 --> 01:39:32.479 played appearances, but we all remember to sixty six three 1928 01:39:32.560 --> 01:39:37.279 thirty nine four in small a short sample. But yeah, no, 1929 01:39:37.399 --> 01:39:42.840 not for good, all right, Jeff Typhrance, this is the 1930 01:39:43.159 --> 01:39:44.920 honestly he might see the seven fifty. 1931 01:39:45.119 --> 01:39:48.560 Yeah, this is like the most like two ninety obp 1932 01:39:48.800 --> 01:39:51.039 four to fifty slid guy possible. And it's just like 1933 01:39:51.119 --> 01:39:54.159 what's the what's the thousand steps of all there? 1934 01:39:55.399 --> 01:39:55.840 He or not. 1935 01:39:57.359 --> 01:39:59.960 He's been good. I'm gonna he's been good enough to 1936 01:40:00.000 --> 01:40:01.920 this year. I think he's I think he's like just over, 1937 01:40:01.960 --> 01:40:02.800 he's gone back. 1938 01:40:02.600 --> 01:40:04.079 Over, right, Craig. 1939 01:40:04.279 --> 01:40:06.000 All right, if Craig, if Craig gets us right, I'm 1940 01:40:06.000 --> 01:40:10.199 gonna double check it immediately on baseball references he played yesterday. 1941 01:40:11.119 --> 01:40:14.319 I'm I'm just gonna take I'm gonna I should just 1942 01:40:14.319 --> 01:40:16.159 be opposite Jeff at every opportunity. 1943 01:40:16.520 --> 01:40:22.520 So I'm just gonna take the under I could. All right, Craig, 1944 01:40:22.760 --> 01:40:25.119 again your strates to prove correct. Even though France has 1945 01:40:25.119 --> 01:40:28.640 been excellent. This here, his ope ops is seven forty five. 1946 01:40:29.760 --> 01:40:34.760 Because it's been a while since home runs over. Yeah, no, 1947 01:40:35.000 --> 01:40:36.680 I I what is the. 1948 01:40:36.680 --> 01:40:38.920 Current out of curiosity? What is the current career OBP 1949 01:40:39.079 --> 01:40:39.880 and slug. 1950 01:40:40.319 --> 01:40:42.920 It's his line is two sixty three three thirty. 1951 01:40:42.640 --> 01:40:46.600 Four, fourth higher OBP than I would have guessed. He 1952 01:40:46.640 --> 01:40:49.600 has not he's not been that guy for a while, 1953 01:40:49.920 --> 01:40:51.680 in a couple of years. 1954 01:40:52.680 --> 01:40:55.880 All right, So Craig, you were It's currently three to five, 1955 01:40:56.119 --> 01:40:58.800 so you're still in it. There are four left. Uh 1956 01:40:59.319 --> 01:41:01.199 you're first, though, and this one is going to be 1957 01:41:01.920 --> 01:41:02.640 Jason Kendall. 1958 01:41:04.840 --> 01:41:08.399 Wow, Jesus, I have to break my early nineties catch. 1959 01:41:08.520 --> 01:41:11.600 I was gonna say the catcher just laid down a 1960 01:41:11.720 --> 01:41:14.399 nice little maximum for catchers. 1961 01:41:14.439 --> 01:41:16.119 But what was an offense first catcher? 1962 01:41:16.159 --> 01:41:16.359 Though? 1963 01:41:16.439 --> 01:41:17.239 He wasn't like he. 1964 01:41:17.960 --> 01:41:23.039 Played the field in the Yes, yes, he did not 1965 01:41:23.199 --> 01:41:23.479 a lot. 1966 01:41:25.479 --> 01:41:26.359 I'm gonna go under. 1967 01:41:26.960 --> 01:41:29.640 He feels like another good parameter. Heels like it's a 1968 01:41:29.680 --> 01:41:34.119 three eighty OBP three seventy slug Like it's kind of 1969 01:41:34.159 --> 01:41:35.840 like Jason Kendall. 1970 01:41:35.920 --> 01:41:37.560 That's it. That's a good one. That's a good one. 1971 01:41:38.239 --> 01:41:41.680 If he had like a recently long decline period though, 1972 01:41:41.880 --> 01:41:43.960 or yeah, people just kept. 1973 01:41:43.800 --> 01:41:45.800 Played a long time he had played, especially after the 1974 01:41:45.840 --> 01:41:46.880 ankle injury too. 1975 01:41:48.359 --> 01:41:49.279 I'm gonna stay under. 1976 01:41:50.079 --> 01:41:56.079 Okay, you're both correct. It is uh seven forty four. 1977 01:41:57.079 --> 01:41:59.920 Uh So Jason Kendall as a pirate in his career, 1978 01:42:00.159 --> 01:42:04.960 slashed three oh six, three eighty seven four eighteen for 1979 01:42:04.960 --> 01:42:05.720 an eight oh five. 1980 01:42:05.800 --> 01:42:07.079 Yeah, it was really good. 1981 01:42:07.239 --> 01:42:13.000 Oy uh after period Brewers, he was with the he 1982 01:42:13.119 --> 01:42:18.720 was with the Athletics, Cubs, Brewers, and Royals. Let me 1983 01:42:18.800 --> 01:42:24.439 reload and calculate his post Pittsburgh Ops gonna be His 1984 01:42:24.520 --> 01:42:27.680 line was two sixty three thirty three, three eighteen for 1985 01:42:27.720 --> 01:42:29.199 a six fifty one. 1986 01:42:29.520 --> 01:42:31.359 Didn't have like ankle the ankle issues. 1987 01:42:31.399 --> 01:42:38.840 That was yeasty play break yeah, all right, three to go, 1988 01:42:39.680 --> 01:42:40.560 h Jeff your first. 1989 01:42:40.640 --> 01:42:41.640 Willie Thomas. 1990 01:42:45.159 --> 01:42:49.640 Another one that could be shame and it's going to 1991 01:42:49.760 --> 01:42:51.399 arm from over to under for. 1992 01:42:51.439 --> 01:42:54.720 The fourth time. This ye this game. 1993 01:42:54.920 --> 01:42:57.800 This might be the seven bad. 1994 01:42:58.600 --> 01:43:00.399 He won't be in a few years, but right now 1995 01:43:00.399 --> 01:43:08.560 he might be. Ah, man, I'm gonna say over, Okay, right, yeah. 1996 01:43:08.359 --> 01:43:09.560 I mean I guess I should just say on. 1997 01:43:11.439 --> 01:43:13.479 You should, but it's wrong in this case. That's fine, 1998 01:43:13.920 --> 01:43:18.039 that's way. Yeah fifty seven, last two years been seven 1999 01:43:18.119 --> 01:43:21.199 forty and seven twelve. So he's dragging it down, but 2000 01:43:22.319 --> 01:43:22.880 not that enough. 2001 01:43:23.399 --> 01:43:25.560 I think I would have said over if I was 2002 01:43:25.600 --> 01:43:26.600 going first. 2003 01:43:27.039 --> 01:43:30.039 But that's that. That's a type one, all right. Craig 2004 01:43:30.359 --> 01:43:31.439 Garrett Cooper. 2005 01:43:33.000 --> 01:43:34.720 Does he have a thousand plate appearances? 2006 01:43:35.000 --> 01:43:35.720 One thousand nine? 2007 01:43:36.399 --> 01:43:40.960 Me about wes Helms next, Hooper, what do you think 2008 01:43:40.960 --> 01:43:41.800 for West Elms? 2009 01:43:42.199 --> 01:43:44.920 There's no way Garrett Hooper has two thousand plates. 2010 01:43:45.000 --> 01:43:47.359 I know he does. West Alms are three thousand. 2011 01:43:47.720 --> 01:43:49.960 Yeah, what do I think about wes Helens? 2012 01:43:49.960 --> 01:43:50.560 I think under. 2013 01:43:50.600 --> 01:43:53.720 I guess for well Helms, Yeah, you'd be seven twenty 2014 01:43:54.479 --> 01:43:58.640 get a bonus one. Garrett Cooper. I guess, Garrett Cooper. 2015 01:43:58.720 --> 01:43:59.319 I don't know. 2016 01:43:59.359 --> 01:44:02.439 You're doing over no no, no under on the letter. 2017 01:44:02.479 --> 01:44:06.000 Okay, I actually think it might be over. I might 2018 01:44:06.039 --> 01:44:07.279 be letting Craig back in, but. 2019 01:44:08.119 --> 01:44:10.439 All right, uh no, you're not because Gary Cooper has 2020 01:44:10.479 --> 01:44:12.159 an ope. 2021 01:44:12.399 --> 01:44:14.399 My argument was basically, once he told me his two 2022 01:44:14.399 --> 01:44:16.600 thousand plate appearances, like he had to be good enough 2023 01:44:16.640 --> 01:44:19.079 to like, you're just not employing Gary Cooper if he's 2024 01:44:19.239 --> 01:44:22.720 under that seven fifty. He also like, why would you 2025 01:44:23.000 --> 01:44:23.840 yeah short. 2026 01:44:24.399 --> 01:44:29.640 Right, yeah, he only like and he was fine. 2027 01:44:29.880 --> 01:44:32.159 For That's how I felt about Patrick Wiz is. 2028 01:44:32.159 --> 01:44:34.600 Also a platoon guy too, so that's why he's not 2029 01:44:34.640 --> 01:44:38.279 like really facing yep, yeah, all. 2030 01:44:38.239 --> 01:44:49.359 Right, and then finally, uh. 2031 01:44:44.600 --> 01:44:47.760 Am I going first? Ye first under. He had the 2032 01:44:47.960 --> 01:44:50.840 great season and then he was which was like I think. 2033 01:44:50.720 --> 01:44:53.439 I was like, it doesn't it doesn't matter. I guess 2034 01:44:53.439 --> 01:44:55.760 it doesn't. Yeah, I'm gonna go under. 2035 01:44:55.840 --> 01:45:01.439 Also, all right, you're both incorrect. It is seven really, yeah, 2036 01:45:01.479 --> 01:45:04.199 he just and even his good year, his All Star year, 2037 01:45:04.399 --> 01:45:07.680 was one of the lowest ops's of his career. Really 2038 01:45:07.800 --> 01:45:10.039 he had a seven thirty eight his rookie season went 2039 01:45:10.079 --> 01:45:12.880 up to seven ninety six eight h nine seven, And 2040 01:45:13.680 --> 01:45:14.600 they think a. 2041 01:45:14.560 --> 01:45:16.520 Great first half that year? Is that what that was? 2042 01:45:16.600 --> 01:45:18.920 And then he thinks, so, I think, so, let's see 2043 01:45:19.039 --> 01:45:20.479 games split. 2044 01:45:20.279 --> 01:45:21.079 More than I thought. 2045 01:45:23.279 --> 01:45:25.600 First half of two thousand and eight. Yeah, he had 2046 01:45:25.640 --> 01:45:27.560 seven ninety one ops in the first half and a 2047 01:45:27.600 --> 01:45:29.199 six thirty nine and second half. 2048 01:45:30.159 --> 01:45:31.600 Now, but whatever, All. 2049 01:45:31.520 --> 01:45:33.239 Star games are done, they should do him in the 2050 01:45:33.319 --> 01:45:33.800 end of the year. 2051 01:45:33.840 --> 01:45:41.399 Whatever we we got called old man yelling at a cloud. 2052 01:45:42.399 --> 01:45:44.479 Everything about the Ulstar game is also done. But the 2053 01:45:44.479 --> 01:45:46.479 Alstar game itself, in the voting system is done. They 2054 01:45:46.520 --> 01:45:49.960 should usually like, all right, keep the game there, fine 2055 01:45:50.079 --> 01:45:52.439 the game. It's a good location for a game. The 2056 01:45:52.439 --> 01:45:54.159 break is good. I like the idea of the break. 2057 01:45:54.760 --> 01:45:57.119 Make an award system, like, don't don't use all. 2058 01:45:57.640 --> 01:45:59.960 It should be last year's full year All Stars. 2059 01:46:01.079 --> 01:46:02.319 That's an interesting way to do it. 2060 01:46:02.760 --> 01:46:05.920 Yeah, yeah, pull you know, and then pull Justin Burley. 2061 01:46:05.920 --> 01:46:08.960 Imagine pulling Justin Burle and out of retirement six months 2062 01:46:08.960 --> 01:46:11.159 from the nine months from now to be like, hey, Bud, 2063 01:46:12.760 --> 01:46:13.600 it's an exhibition. 2064 01:46:13.920 --> 01:46:15.600 I mean you then still do him you can still 2065 01:46:15.640 --> 01:46:18.239 like the commissioner's pick whatever, right. 2066 01:46:18.239 --> 01:46:20.960 Yeah, it's it's an exhibition. 2067 01:46:21.039 --> 01:46:21.399 Why not. 2068 01:46:21.479 --> 01:46:22.399 I think that would be fun. 2069 01:46:22.600 --> 01:46:23.039 I think. 2070 01:46:24.520 --> 01:46:27.359 He'd have to start like warming up three months in advance. 2071 01:46:28.399 --> 01:46:36.399 Come on, congratulations, Jeff, you win? Yes, four congratulations Jeff 2072 01:46:36.640 --> 01:46:38.079 uh thank you. 2073 01:46:38.159 --> 01:46:41.079 I couldn't have done it without the support of Andre Samenez. 2074 01:46:42.359 --> 01:46:43.439 It's always there watching. 2075 01:46:44.920 --> 01:46:47.079 Thank you for the game, Patrick. Thank you to our 2076 01:46:47.119 --> 01:46:49.560 listeners for joining us on another episode of five and 2077 01:46:49.600 --> 01:46:52.319 Dive brought to you by the Baseball Perspectives podcast Network. 2078 01:46:52.319 --> 01:46:53.640 You can get in touch with the show at five 2079 01:46:53.640 --> 01:46:56.479 and Dive at Baseball perspectives dot com. We are wherever 2080 01:46:56.479 --> 01:46:59.279 you get your podcasts. Search for Baseball Perspectives Podcast Network 2081 01:46:59.279 --> 01:47:01.279 and we'll be in that feed. 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