Speaker 1: Welcome to episode five sixty five of five and.
Speaker 2: Five Say that five times fast. It is Thursday, July
Speaker 2: twenty third. I am your host, Craig Goldstein, joined as
Speaker 2: usual by Patrick Dubuke and Jeffery pattern Nostro, and I'm
Speaker 2: going to start off with some banter in that I'm
Speaker 2: a little I'm a little irritated, guys. I'm a little
Speaker 2: irritated because later today, shortly after we finished recording this podcast,
Speaker 2: I have to go to a camp performer.
Speaker 1: It's for my eldest. When you say can't you do it?
Speaker 3: Recurring theme on this podcast watching his kids.
Speaker 2: See yeah, I know it sounds like that and perhaps
Speaker 2: is like that. But this is a three week camp.
Speaker 3: Sure, okay, this is funny to put a show together
Speaker 3: like what it is.
Speaker 2: It is the Thursday of the second week.
Speaker 3: That's pushing it.
Speaker 2: It is the Thursday of the second week. I have
Speaker 2: to attend six groups. Apparently they're going to sing two
Speaker 2: it's six of the groups performing two songs.
Speaker 3: I asked, you're getting a full concert.
Speaker 1: I asked my son, what are you like? Is it dancing? Whatever?
Speaker 2: And he said, it's very strenuously objected to the to
Speaker 2: the using dancing and said there are just movements.
Speaker 1: See, I hate it when they do that in these things.
Speaker 1: This is this is my feeling, is that.
Speaker 2: But what I have to this is gonna take minimum
Speaker 2: an hour, yeah, probably more just parking alone.
Speaker 1: Parking alone is gonna be half an hour.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be changeover, it's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be it's gonna be waters well, possibly two songs.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I don't even know if
Speaker 2: my kid is in multiple songs or it's just one
Speaker 2: and there's another song I have to suffer for he's
Speaker 2: only in one of the six gripts. He's in one
Speaker 2: of the six grips. That's correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta stay to the end. It's so it's respectable.
Speaker 2: But I can't just leave right. So, like what you're
Speaker 2: doing this on if every parent, every parent, the kid
Speaker 2: possibly be worth anyone.
Speaker 3: We're trying to live in a society here, correct.
Speaker 2: Man, I'm trying.
Speaker 1: So it's so my take on this, and I've done
Speaker 1: I've done this plenty of times. Sure. I hate that
Speaker 1: they make the kids do hand movements or like it's something.
Speaker 1: It isn't dancing. What it is is it's like you
Speaker 1: pat your shoulders and tap your head and do things
Speaker 1: along with the music. We're making singing harder for kids
Speaker 1: who are already not really good.
Speaker 2: Also, it's not well sure, but it's not hard because
Speaker 2: they're just they're not like they but there it's.
Speaker 1: Rubbing your belly and patting your head at the same time.
Speaker 1: For it for a six year old, it's like trying
Speaker 1: to remember, there's.
Speaker 2: A very solid chance my kid is just going to
Speaker 2: mouth the words, oh yeah, So I have to be
Speaker 2: like what, I'm going to be there. I want to
Speaker 2: be there for him. I want him to know I
Speaker 2: support him, right, but I but I resent having to do.
Speaker 1: It in this context. But get ready to learn strap in,
Speaker 1: get ready for recorders.
Speaker 3: Because when you said I really want to be there
Speaker 3: to support him, it did feel a little like baking
Speaker 3: the question based on everything else that I know.
Speaker 2: Well, I felt like I needed to make it clear.
Speaker 2: I just I just resent the context in which I
Speaker 2: have to prove that that's Do you have any banter? Patrick?
Speaker 1: Is it another deck? Well, I haven't. I haven't gotten
Speaker 1: back to the deck. I finally, I finally just got
Speaker 1: back home from my extended trip after an extended trip,
Speaker 1: and I caught a fish. Oh congratulations. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: posted it in our Jupe group chat. You can see
Speaker 1: it is, uh, the first time I caught a fish
Speaker 1: in thirty years, which is also the first time I've
Speaker 1: tried to catch a fish in thirty years. Okay, the
Speaker 1: fish for the for the listener's home. On the smaller
Speaker 1: side of things, I would say, I would say that
Speaker 1: the fish is actually you know, you're supposed to measure
Speaker 1: it by weight. If this fish weren't on the hook,
Speaker 1: it would fly away.
Speaker 2: Could you make it hole on the line?
Speaker 1: So dis I was on a pier. No, I was
Speaker 1: utterly surprised that there was a fish on the hook
Speaker 1: when I real it back up, I actually miscast. I
Speaker 1: was standing on a pier, and I miscast and actually
Speaker 1: threw it, like I slung the lure into like a
Speaker 1: little hole in the pier down by like one of
Speaker 1: the and that's where you found that the supports. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I pulled it. I'm like trying. I'm just making sure
Speaker 1: I'm not like getting it caught, pulling it out instead,
Speaker 1: it's just a fish on there.
Speaker 2: Well, congratulations, yeah, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I'm sure this is a you know,
Speaker 1: there's a checklist somewhere. Yeah, I just checked something off
Speaker 1: of I know, well I should be. I would be.
Speaker 1: I would be too, I got a fish. It doesn't
Speaker 1: like when I say I caught a fish. I can
Speaker 1: just you don't have to continue. You can just be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got a fish, and that's that's it. Let the imagination.
Speaker 2: You keep saying I caught a fish, and I'm hearing
Speaker 2: in the cadence I read we bought a zoo.
Speaker 1: Felix did catch a fish as well. His fish was
Speaker 1: about twice as big as mine, which was positive. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was thrilled.
Speaker 2: On our on our vacation, we did a we did
Speaker 2: a glass bottom boat tour and you can see some
Speaker 2: turtles and stuff and the guys who running it all.
Speaker 2: So just fish off the back of the entire time.
Speaker 2: And so, uh my older one got to pull in
Speaker 2: a fish and was absolutely be nice. Yeah it wasn't
Speaker 2: really fishing, you know, like he didn't really like, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the guy.
Speaker 1: With a fishing pool he bought at a garage show
Speaker 1: like a couple months ago. So like, very very pleased.
Speaker 1: I will say that he caught the fish on the
Speaker 1: very first like cast he did and that's very much
Speaker 1: like winning on the first pull tab you ever played
Speaker 1: in your life. Like it's probably setting unrealistic expectations for
Speaker 1: the rest of his life.
Speaker 2: As far as no, absolutely disappointment. Yeah, Jeffrey, any banter.
Speaker 3: Come back from the Natural History Museum yesterday with the
Speaker 3: kid stopped at the Italian market. First mistake I made
Speaker 3: was going to the Italian market while hungry.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3: The second mistake I made was letting the kid try
Speaker 3: one of the small free samples of the on the
Speaker 3: bone I Baryco.
Speaker 2: Ham oh well, in honor of Spain's victory.
Speaker 3: Sure, she decided she likes that ham a lot and
Speaker 3: wanted me to get it, and I said, we're not
Speaker 3: getting that ham. I did not include the part where
Speaker 3: it is two hundred dollars a pound.
Speaker 1: You've got to give it one day and then give
Speaker 1: her normal ham. And then they'll be like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: was the ham. That's the same Yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: prime gaslighting material right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You just be like, this is the same, this
Speaker 2: is actually the same ham, and she'll say no, it's not,
Speaker 2: and you just it is, actually it's the same ham.
Speaker 1: It's just it's the setting when anything else. I mean
Speaker 1: it tasted better there here at home. Ham tastes like ham.
Speaker 1: You have to goat places for food to taste good.
Speaker 1: That's the that's the way it works. That's right.
Speaker 2: Everything is influenced by by the context that surrounds it.
Speaker 2: On that note, why don't we start the show. We'll
Speaker 2: get into our first topic. Bird demic. The blue Jays,
Speaker 2: my beloved blue Jays. They only act like this when
Speaker 2: they're very sick. They've lost six of seven. They are
Speaker 2: now nine under. That puts them, somehow, only six and
Speaker 2: a half back of the last wild card spot. It's
Speaker 2: it's not going well.
Speaker 1: Their teen ops plus is eighty five. I don't know
Speaker 1: that's possible. Every time I hear about a player doing
Speaker 1: well for them, I look at their line and like
Speaker 1: it's maybe legue average. Like you know, Brandon mellens Wale
Speaker 1: has been a great surprise. He has a seven to
Speaker 1: twenty one ops.
Speaker 3: Yeah. He's a very good defensive catcher.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fantastic and the league average catcher.
Speaker 2: Well, and when they acquired him, when they acquired him
Speaker 2: for Will Wagner, it looked like this this wasn't even feasible, right,
Speaker 2: Like he was like we're talking about like an eighty
Speaker 2: ops plus catcher or something like that. So it's it's
Speaker 2: a nice surprise.
Speaker 1: It's a nice surprise. Let's see what's he been hitting
Speaker 1: in July. In July, Yeah, he has been hitting one
Speaker 1: eighty two two seventeen three eighteen. Sure, so I've heard of.
Speaker 3: What I would have expected from Brendan Valenvela, you.
Speaker 1: Know, and then Cosmo A. Kamoto, you know, leading the
Speaker 1: team in home runs and more than doubling anyone else
Speaker 1: two twenty six, three nine four like that.
Speaker 3: July season.
Speaker 1: That's the season. Yeah, that's the season. Not that that
Speaker 1: not recent.
Speaker 2: They have two they have two above average regulars. They
Speaker 2: are at one O three and one o two ops plus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the the player, the regular, the regular with the
Speaker 1: best OPS plus on the team. We're not counting Luis
Speaker 1: Rias uh below replacement level. His is Sanchez, right, Uh yeah, No,
Speaker 1: it's it's falling apart. They've basically got you know, and
Speaker 1: and so if they are selling right and it sounds
Speaker 1: like that, I mean I've seen a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: around Kevin Gosman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're hearing about Kevin Gosman's it is.
Speaker 1: The expiring context right, So like they're gonna run it
Speaker 1: back next year. They have to. There's too much.
Speaker 3: There's nothing else they can there's nothing else they can do, right, there's.
Speaker 1: It's so essentially it's Gotsman who has like eight teams
Speaker 1: on the snow trade contract, cause none of which he
Speaker 1: would actually trade be traded to right right, And then uh,
Speaker 1: and then you've got var Show.
Speaker 3: And barshow is a free agent already huh Yeah.
Speaker 2: And there is also a free agent. I don't know
Speaker 2: that any team is going to go hard after him.
Speaker 2: I don't think they'd get a lot for him.
Speaker 3: But I mean, do you consider trading like Louis Barland
Speaker 3: like you might never have Like I think it's part
Speaker 3: of the argument for the Mets trading Luke Weaver. I
Speaker 3: think Luke Weaver will be a good reliever next year.
Speaker 3: There's like risk and any I think will be a
Speaker 3: good reliever. But you're treating him at a point where
Speaker 3: you know he's probably not going to be a two
Speaker 3: era reliever. He hasn't really pitched like a two era
Speaker 3: reliever under the hood. He might be like a two
Speaker 3: point nine oh e a reliever. But yeah, and it
Speaker 3: is good. You want to have that guy, but you
Speaker 3: might be able to.
Speaker 2: I think in general you want to. I'm generally in
Speaker 2: favor of this. I think with with Varland, who I
Speaker 2: believe to be actually good and also he next year
Speaker 2: will be his final year of free art. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: they have a lot of control on him. I understand
Speaker 2: it's control on a reliever. I do get that, but
Speaker 2: I don't know unless you're getting an absolute haul, which
Speaker 2: maybe you could for the year he's having in the
Speaker 2: amount of control he has, I don't. I mean, you
Speaker 2: go go back and look at what Lucas Ursa returned.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and that was five years and he looked
Speaker 2: good too.
Speaker 3: What there's also the A's making that trade at the
Speaker 3: time when they were trading like.
Speaker 2: Sure, but I guess I'm if you go back to
Speaker 2: what Patrick said about they're going to run it back
Speaker 2: next year, you need someone in the bullpen, sure, and
Speaker 2: it's going to be more expensive than pre r Louis Arland. Now, well,
Speaker 2: Louis Arland have this season again, maybe probably not, I mean,
Speaker 2: but I do think he's good as a as a pitcher,
Speaker 2: and their bullpen has been a problem repeatedly in years
Speaker 2: they've tried to compete. So one of the ways your
Speaker 2: successful team is finding cheap guys in the bullpen. This
Speaker 2: is still a cheap guy in the bullpen, right, sure,
Speaker 2: Like you can't like this otherwise you're gonna have to
Speaker 2: replace him on the free agent market, and that's not.
Speaker 3: Really resources either. I think you should consider it, right, Like.
Speaker 2: I think it's if you get bowled over, I think
Speaker 2: that's tige. I think in this particular situation, right, you're
Speaker 2: what you're worried about missing on Bednar, But the Highs
Speaker 2: were not ever going to be competitive? Was the tracy
Speaker 2: part right in that window?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, I guess the question is are the
Speaker 3: j is going to be competitive next year?
Speaker 1: What? I think they have to believe they will? Sure,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know. They have a they have a better
Speaker 2: base to start from than the pirates a lot of
Speaker 2: those Pirates teams.
Speaker 3: Sure, and look and then like, I mean, so the
Speaker 3: the actual issue here, and I didn't put it in
Speaker 3: the document to put it in the dock, is what
Speaker 3: is blad Guerra going forward? Yes, yeah, because that's like
Speaker 3: if you're saying the competitive next year, like and look,
Speaker 3: obviously like they bubbish at walk and didn't really replace him.
Speaker 3: I with Okamoto, who hasn't been he's been better than.
Speaker 2: Last year, sure, who has been phenomenal.
Speaker 3: Right, but like the fight, the highest ops plus on
Speaker 3: this here is one oh three is like an indictment
Speaker 3: of lad season and Lad doesn't want or to either,
Speaker 3: So no, I mean he's right, Like, but he goes
Speaker 3: through seasons like this, hits the ball on the ground
Speaker 3: too much, right, But it also doesn't look like it's
Speaker 3: he slugs four thirty when he does this, He doesn't
Speaker 3: slug what is it three fifty now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly at his career average.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's something else going would prefer it to be better,
Speaker 3: but yeah, but like he's had a good season doing
Speaker 3: this before. Yeah, And like I mean the problem, Like
Speaker 3: I guess this is part and partil right, Like if
Speaker 3: you have to believe they're going to be competitive next year,
Speaker 3: you also have to believe that Lad will be you know,
Speaker 3: something like down BALLID MVP Lad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't want to just labor under a delusion, right,
Speaker 2: but we also know he ten at twenty eight years old,
Speaker 2: he should be able to be better than this. If
Speaker 2: he's just this you're if this is what he is
Speaker 2: going forward and you just accepted that, I mean, what
Speaker 2: do you do I don't like, yeah, he only I
Speaker 2: think you do kind of have to labor under the
Speaker 2: delusion that it could look different next year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like he's chasing a lot more than needed last year.
Speaker 3: But he has had seasons where he's chased this much before.
Speaker 3: He has not had seasons where he's chased this much
Speaker 3: and made this much contact out of his.
Speaker 1: Own right, Yeah, I think that's part of the Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I think the issue. You would like him
Speaker 3: to chase last regardless, but like, not only is he
Speaker 3: making it like it's.
Speaker 1: I see, he's actually yeah, making more contact.
Speaker 3: Yes, and like his averagects of velocity is ninety, which
Speaker 3: is still above average, but also significantly down from his
Speaker 3: peak averagects. So he's making a lot of bad ground
Speaker 3: ball contact.
Speaker 1: He's hitting with slugging two twenty eight on out his
Speaker 1: own pitches. Yeah, he is not the kind of hitter
Speaker 1: who wants to be hitting pitches outside of the zone,
Speaker 1: who should be trying to.
Speaker 2: Well, he definitely wants to.
Speaker 3: No, he had stopped it, Like, I'm not sure if
Speaker 3: he does it's not like a terrible chase, right, But
Speaker 3: the problem is like that, I don't know how that
Speaker 3: compares two league average, right, but I assume.
Speaker 2: So you just you cannot tell me he would like
Speaker 2: it to shouldn't Beah doesn't want to be hitting pitches
Speaker 2: out of this. You cannot tell.
Speaker 3: Me he uh he It should be a smaller percentage
Speaker 3: of his total contact than it probably, Yes, that's part
Speaker 3: of it. When he's hitting one ninety on those too many, it.
Speaker 1: Feels like an outlier. It feels like this is something
Speaker 1: like it's he's never made this much contact outside the
Speaker 1: zone before it. He's probably need to get him like strike.
Speaker 2: One on these, you know, back in the hitting lab
Speaker 2: and do a hard reset or something.
Speaker 3: Look, he's slugging four fifteen on fast falls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't. I mean, I don't know. All
Speaker 1: that can do is sit there heavily, like I don't know.
Speaker 3: Again, he has had seasons like this and then bounce back,
Speaker 3: right like He's been very for his for what is
Speaker 3: generally speaking a fairly stable skill set. It ferries a
Speaker 3: fair bit within season from season to season. I mean,
Speaker 3: but like this is all like this is always like
Speaker 3: kind of earned like, I don't think he's been unlucky
Speaker 3: per se, right, Like, right, I mean he's been unlucky
Speaker 3: that he's making that much contact up just outside of them,
Speaker 3: But he's trying to. Right, when you're swinging a pitch
Speaker 3: outside of his own, you are trying to hit it
Speaker 3: like or at least fell it off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but he's gonna.
Speaker 3: Be the lynch, Like who's going to be the and
Speaker 3: like even if he's good, Like, sure, who's your second
Speaker 3: best hitter? Said Okamoto? Is Anthony Santander ever coming back?
Speaker 3: Like can they afford?
Speaker 2: Like there's not There have been so many investments, Yeah,
Speaker 2: a necessarily awful that have just gone awful here. I
Speaker 2: mean some Tander it was. It was a lot of money,
Speaker 2: It was a lot of years, but it was spread
Speaker 2: out in a way that I actually thought, oh that's
Speaker 2: not that's really not and there's a lot deferred.
Speaker 1: Right. It just wasn't that bad.
Speaker 2: Overall, you know, Jose Barrios, I didn't love it when
Speaker 2: they went there, but like it's it's amazing how little
Speaker 2: they've gotten for that. There are a lot of contracts
Speaker 2: that don't go the way you want them to, but
Speaker 2: you get something it is. It is shocking how exactly
Speaker 2: how little they've gotten from deals like Santander and Jose Burrios.
Speaker 2: You know, you could argue, you know, someone well, I'm
Speaker 2: sure debate about whether Springer lived up to his deal.
Speaker 2: Springer gave them several very good seasons. Yeah, it was
Speaker 2: to shape those two deals.
Speaker 3: Than you expected. But you got probably about as many
Speaker 3: good Springer seasons you expect on that deal. Right, it
Speaker 3: wasn't the price that's three but like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was.
Speaker 2: Maybe the third one was not, but you know, you
Speaker 2: got to the World Series in it, so you can't
Speaker 2: even say it was poorly timed.
Speaker 3: I mean, he has put up let's say.
Speaker 2: But but Barrios and and santan there have been absolute
Speaker 2: zerous Now look at me again, expected on a third
Speaker 2: good Springer season, maybe santan there does come back and
Speaker 2: give them, give them something on the back half of
Speaker 2: the deal. It's not how it normally happens.
Speaker 3: Right, He's put up fourteen wins, one hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: million dollars contract, Like that's like you would have hoped
Speaker 3: for better than that. But it's also not like a
Speaker 3: disaster by any stretch. And he also like clustered it
Speaker 3: generally being good or unavailable.
Speaker 2: Right, right, so there are like backfills.
Speaker 3: I mean he had won like two twenty twenty four,
Speaker 3: he was bad and played one hundred and forty five games.
Speaker 3: That's like the only.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I think this losing streak does
Speaker 2: provide this group some clarity.
Speaker 1: Sure, I think so.
Speaker 3: They're also all recently signed extensions, so they have the
Speaker 3: there's not really like a principal agent problem here, Like
Speaker 3: they can make they're trying to do. Right, they can
Speaker 3: trade for a guy in low a, right and part
Speaker 3: of their cell trade and be like, okay, he's going
Speaker 3: to be, yeah, part of the next team.
Speaker 2: We're just here to the to the point of this discussion,
Speaker 2: it is short term clarity because next year, next year
Speaker 2: becomes a hard solve. I mean, this is what's been
Speaker 2: fascinating to me about the Blue Jays for for years now,
Speaker 2: right was was it was Bushett and Guerrero first and like,
Speaker 2: can you can you capitalize on the window? And then
Speaker 2: they they they did capitalize on the window the one
Speaker 2: year they could, you know, they had left to do it.
Speaker 2: Obviously they extended Guerrero, but but Schett, Walks and and
Speaker 2: the team changed. And look to their credit, they've they've
Speaker 2: made moves to be competitive that they have not. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they were on the field more than off field.
Speaker 3: Right, They followed you know, they followed a World Series
Speaker 3: appearance with signing Dylan's right to get them a second
Speaker 3: like and because like their rotation was a little they needed.
Speaker 2: They wouldn't even be close to here right without Dylan
Speaker 2: has been phenomenal.
Speaker 3: Right, you look, you going into the season expecting Cosmond
Speaker 3: c Snya Savage to study the ship and the second
Speaker 3: most starts on this year, second most games, well it's
Speaker 3: like the third most starts tied for this year he's
Speaker 3: been Patrick Corbyn, which I think just said like where's
Speaker 3: the Definitely they started laur for a while he was bad. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they lost Cody, they lost Bieber, was hurt for a
Speaker 3: lot of the year, and they're not good. Sure's there
Speaker 3: has been hurt for a lot of the year and
Speaker 3: not good again. I don't think these are things that
Speaker 3: are unforeseeable. But they also you know, they traded some
Speaker 3: of the guys that you thought might be back though
Speaker 3: when they were buying at the deadline. Obviously cal Stephan
Speaker 3: ended up getting hurt, but you know they have they
Speaker 3: have arms coming. Like I think Nolan Perry is already
Speaker 3: in double A. He also just got hit in the
Speaker 3: head by one hundred mile an hour comebacker. But yeah, uh,
Speaker 3: you know there are.
Speaker 2: Some he is that was in his second start in
Speaker 2: double A. Yeah, now he is averaging four innings and change.
Speaker 3: He's coming off surgery. So that's part of the reason.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's part of it. You know, it's just
Speaker 3: how we develop pictures now. But part of it is
Speaker 3: he is first falsely soft surgery, and like you know,
Speaker 3: he was going to be on track for something like
Speaker 3: I don't know if we'll get there now, like eighty or
Speaker 3: ninety innings this year, so you could wrap him up
Speaker 3: year to one thirty or so. It's like a starter
Speaker 3: in the rotation. At some point you can manage the
Speaker 3: innings to have them for the second half of the
Speaker 3: year or something like. They have options here, you know,
Speaker 3: pitching is one thing they can go out on this
Speaker 3: free agent market and get to, you know, easier than
Speaker 3: the Bats.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to go get Terrek's Scoogle.
Speaker 3: I don't either. They might get Freddy Baralta, right like that's.
Speaker 2: Maybe they also, I mean, look they've they've been top
Speaker 2: of market.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have been, like they went on got Dylan Cease, right,
Speaker 3: So you can't say they were how many times where
Speaker 3: they do that or will do that because they can do.
Speaker 2: It one of the last two teams on Otani they've
Speaker 2: been I mean they have been in.
Speaker 3: On every Alonso like they have been. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Name so I don't think I don't think they're going
Speaker 2: to do it because they have Cease and you Savage,
Speaker 2: but arguably, I mean Cease goes to the post. Savage
Speaker 2: has missed a lot of time. Arguably they could use it, right,
Speaker 2: I mean Patrick Corbyn has is the fourth starter here.
Speaker 3: So I hadn't be looking.
Speaker 2: If they're interested, they will be, They will be in
Speaker 2: the mix, I would say. I I don't know if
Speaker 2: they'll be as interested as some other teams, but if.
Speaker 3: They are, if out and I was just looking to
Speaker 3: see refresh my memory and how their hitters are doing this,
Speaker 3: you're they're minor leaguers in general. And I did come
Speaker 3: across this incredible name in Dunedin, Giackanino las Aresina. Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Need to hear Dan Shulman say that.
Speaker 2: All right, let's move to another scuffling team with a
Speaker 2: bird logo. No, it is not my Orioles, not yet.
Speaker 2: They broke the Red Sox winter. They final they finally
Speaker 2: gave the Red Sox.
Speaker 3: Ended their win streak, and then they ended slightly later,
Speaker 3: they ended the Red Sox win streak.
Speaker 2: It is the Saint Louis Cardinals. Yeah, they've lost five
Speaker 2: of six h R two of the updated.
Speaker 3: I have no idea if they won last night. Oh
Speaker 3: they lost four inner of five of six. I standing
Speaker 3: up for a Cardinals lane.
Speaker 2: They won last night. Yeah, they've lost five of seven
Speaker 2: and two of those were walk offs.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh and two losses including a walk off loss, I
Speaker 2: believe to the Angels.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not what you want.
Speaker 2: It's it's not what you want.
Speaker 3: They are now a half game back along with Pittsburgh,
Speaker 3: one game ahead of both Miami and Washington.
Speaker 1: Miami now feels like the.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's they're gonna win. They're gonna win seventy eight
Speaker 3: games again.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, I mean the Cardinals are. They're here.
Speaker 1: It feels this more than any other team, feels like
Speaker 1: a team that could just be happy with what it's.
Speaker 3: They are in the low Ebb of their bouncing between
Speaker 3: three over and seven over right now, I mean I
Speaker 3: get closer to seven over again at some point. It's
Speaker 3: not impossible, but you know it does. Yeah, we know
Speaker 3: the Blue Jays are going to sell because they're a
Speaker 3: ways out now, Like, what do you do? We talked
Speaker 3: about it a little bit recently, But what do you
Speaker 3: do for the Cardinals? I know Patrick thinks they're going
Speaker 3: to sell regardless, but perhaps they.
Speaker 1: Also have too much to sell. Sure it's just Dustin
Speaker 1: May and maybe, like I still like trading Riley O'Brien,
Speaker 1: because you should trade every reliever like they're on expiring contract.
Speaker 3: Especially when they're thirty one.
Speaker 1: Especially when they're thirty one and you know no longer.
Speaker 1: You know now that the walk rates up closer to four,
Speaker 1: I we get out on that as quickly as possible.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like I just the big question was where
Speaker 1: they were gonna Like if they don't do anything at
Speaker 1: the deadline, I wouldn't be shocked, It wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: if they just pretend it didn't happen right at the
Speaker 1: rest of the season, call it a success and move on.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna get enough to Dustin May. The people
Speaker 1: are gonna get mad that they didn't capitalize on the
Speaker 1: expiring costume contract to Dustin May. Right, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's even worth Like.
Speaker 2: The whole signing for him was to move him at
Speaker 2: the deadline. I don't know. Yeah, I think you're right
Speaker 2: that they may do very little, but I think it
Speaker 2: could look if you also if you ship out Dustin
Speaker 2: May and get something of interest and then call up
Speaker 2: Quinn Matthews who has been on one of his better
Speaker 2: runs that can fall apart any time, to be clear,
Speaker 2: but has been on one of his better runs. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't think teams are going to be unhappy about
Speaker 2: or fans are going to be unhappy.
Speaker 1: Probably not. I don't think fans are gonna Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: got to be pretty happy to matter what. Right, Yes,
Speaker 1: this is a percentile outcome for the Cardinals. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean Lars new Bars there, he's Yeah, he's been hitting
Speaker 1: fairly well.
Speaker 2: There's got to be someone who can use you know,
Speaker 2: we didn't mention him, I think in the right up
Speaker 2: you did on the Red Sox. But you know, if
Speaker 2: they're looking for a left fielder, but.
Speaker 3: He's also left candidate, which is not ideal nor deal
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 2: But might be an upgrade on Duran, although I know
Speaker 2: Duran was was the the big hitter in their last
Speaker 2: game of their win streak. Yeah, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: think I think you're right that they could do very little.
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be on the margins, let's say,
Speaker 2: but it was also designed to be on the margins anyway, right,
Speaker 2: Like this season even if it didn't go this well,
Speaker 2: you're talking about the same guys, right, It's it's Noot
Speaker 2: bar and and May and guys of that ilk rather
Speaker 2: than any kind of corky.
Speaker 3: This is I think meant to be like you know,
Speaker 3: evaluation season, right.
Speaker 1: Everybody either turned out to be too good to trade
Speaker 1: or worth trading, Like Nolan Gorman. Yeah, like you needed
Speaker 1: the Nolan Gorman like league average line so that some
Speaker 1: other team think could think they could fix him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sad he's in triple A.
Speaker 3: I mean you've come awa come away with jj Weatherhall.
Speaker 3: Looks like he's a star. It's like a weird shape
Speaker 3: of a star, but it's still a star. And like, okay,
Speaker 3: Jordan Walker can stay around. That might be really good now, right,
Speaker 3: Like just getting those two things out of the season.
Speaker 3: I think make them an not positive for going forward
Speaker 3: because there's a team Like part of this is they're
Speaker 3: in the NL Central and the Jason in the AL East.
Speaker 3: It's easier for me to see the outline of the
Speaker 3: competitive Cardinals twenty twenty seven team. I think. I think
Speaker 3: they have to do They have to do stuff, don't
Speaker 3: get me wrong, but they have to do less. There's
Speaker 3: less of like an.
Speaker 1: Overall, Yeah, they don't need four pitchers now, Yeah, they've
Speaker 1: needed every year for the last half decade.
Speaker 3: I feel like, and they're a year they're like a
Speaker 3: year closer to getting well, they're a year closer to
Speaker 3: getting or a season closer to getting twin Quinn Matthews
Speaker 3: and and Lean Doyle and Tanner Franklin Install.
Speaker 1: People want to.
Speaker 2: Find out this year a little bit more about Matthews, right,
Speaker 2: I think sure it would be good to see him,
Speaker 2: see him for in August right where you can get us.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it will be after.
Speaker 3: The if they trade new Bar you might see Josh
Speaker 3: biez To, which would be good to see what he
Speaker 3: can do against major league pitching.
Speaker 1: But like.
Speaker 2: I mean, Patrick, like you're saying, you don't need necessarily
Speaker 2: need poor Patrick, but like Michael McGreevey has had a
Speaker 2: great season and also struck out six or nine. Do
Speaker 2: you do you have confidence in Michael McGreevy.
Speaker 1: Is he a playoff starter? Is that the question? Okay?
Speaker 2: I mean that was like your tea. I actually really
Speaker 2: I love your t a that one on the site
Speaker 2: today and and you talked about the British extension a
Speaker 2: little bit. What we talked about on the on the
Speaker 2: podcast basically is he a playoff starter? He's not a
Speaker 2: playoff starter. Payante is not a playoff starter. That Liberatory
Speaker 2: is not a playoffs star is gone?
Speaker 3: Kyle Lay, I'm sorry, he's not a playoffs start.
Speaker 2: Fine, I said, he's not interesting. He's not a playoff starter.
Speaker 2: He's like the he's if you're starting four games, maybe
Speaker 2: he's your fourth, which is also true of McGreevy. Maybe
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to say that they're they're that different.
Speaker 1: But if Laboratory can can get his walk right back
Speaker 1: down into the don't well he was two point four
Speaker 1: last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he starts the season and he's at five point
Speaker 2: one eight.
Speaker 1: This is this is Brendan fot zone. Yeah, he's the
Speaker 1: only guy with the strikeouts.
Speaker 2: You're talking about walks. He's a lot one hundred twelve hits, and.
Speaker 3: That is you know the problem, and you can't really
Speaker 3: blame the Cardinals defense for that either.
Speaker 1: No, no, I again no, no, None of these guys
Speaker 1: are I mean, I think maybe one of them turns
Speaker 1: out to be one. One one of the four guys
Speaker 1: takes a step forward. Like Hunter Dobbins has.
Speaker 3: Been pretty good.
Speaker 1: He come. I still don't really know why they couldn't
Speaker 1: find a spot of rotation for him in all year,
Speaker 1: but he seems fine.
Speaker 3: I think Dick fitzaxt year starters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Richard right, Dobbins and Fits will have well factor in.
Speaker 3: But again, like they they probably do need to go
Speaker 3: out and acquire a play like a number two starter, right,
Speaker 3: like they have an of because you're not like Doyle
Speaker 3: and Franklin won't be up to start, right. You know,
Speaker 3: by the time you're looking to call them up, they
Speaker 3: might be nearing an inning's cap. And maybe you want
Speaker 3: to bring Franklin up as a late season reliever anyway,
Speaker 3: obviously relieved in college, but you know you do need
Speaker 3: for like you know, April first, twenty twenty seven, some
Speaker 3: pictures of some type right for more picture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kevin Gosman would look good here if you could
Speaker 1: be sure that he would stay Kevin Cosmin because he's like,
Speaker 1: yeah nine.
Speaker 2: Or that's the risk, like he's yeah, he's trending obviously older.
Speaker 1: But that level.
Speaker 2: Number two starter would would fit really well. And you're
Speaker 2: talking about you're talking about Sonny Gray.
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually is who is a free agent. He knows
Speaker 1: the area, he knows how the restaurants are exactly. That's
Speaker 1: the best place you.
Speaker 3: Have fried.
Speaker 1: The pitching is, isn't it toasted?
Speaker 3: Toasted? Rare?
Speaker 1: Right? And you do both. You can toast it and
Speaker 1: then fry it. Nick Martinez will be a free agent, and.
Speaker 3: That's extremely Cardinals.
Speaker 1: Actually it is good. Well, it used to be and
Speaker 1: might now be. It's confusing whether it still is it
Speaker 1: is not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, guys. This list is uh, you know,
Speaker 2: Michael King interesting if if he opts.
Speaker 3: Out, Yeah, I think he probably will.
Speaker 2: Obviously you have Schooble. I don't think they're there, Robbie Ray,
Speaker 2: Zach Gallen, Osman.
Speaker 3: They're very capable. They're very capable of saying signing Jamison Tivetta.
Speaker 1: And that is anyone really what's that is anyone capable
Speaker 1: of signing Jameson.
Speaker 2: Shane Bieber Shane Bieber feels like because then they could
Speaker 2: sell if things don't go well the short term.
Speaker 1: He's the new Dustin May.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well the new Yeah Clay Holmes potentially I.
Speaker 3: Guess yeahs is like not a bad fit.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I like that one.
Speaker 2: All right, let's move on to our second topic. Rumor
Speaker 2: has it? Patrick? I feel like I need you to
Speaker 2: read our first item.
Speaker 3: I just put this in directly as the headline.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed reading it greatly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to try and do my best. Oscar
Speaker 1: Wells not Oscar Wells, Jesus orson Wells uh narrating p
Speaker 1: commercial rockies getting interest in various players.
Speaker 3: Yeah. If you're wondering who those various players they are
Speaker 3: fielding calls, I am.
Speaker 1: I am wondering.
Speaker 3: Kyle Freeland, Michael Lorenzen, tell me Stigano, Mickey Mooniac, Jake McCarthy,
Speaker 3: and Willie Castro.
Speaker 1: Okay, I get two of those.
Speaker 2: I get the last two.
Speaker 1: And reliever in Sansotela is also getting interest, which also
Speaker 1: makes some sense, Although how is it feels like it's
Speaker 1: been a while since we've talked about Antonio sincetla. How
Speaker 1: is he doing?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Since the break, let's see second half? He has started?
Speaker 1: He is he pitched? Hold on a second, that's the
Speaker 1: last time you pitched. Oh, he has pitched bad. He's
Speaker 1: been pitching bad. He's give three of his last five appearances. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the area is up to three point six, which is
Speaker 1: still low for sense of tela but not like the
Speaker 1: fast of course.
Speaker 3: But also yeah, for course, here's a cheap club option,
Speaker 3: well cheap, cheap, relatively cheap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hitters are in June and July hitters are now
Speaker 1: opsing like nine to fifty against him. I think it
Speaker 1: was fun, but yeah, I would not be interested in
Speaker 1: my team of choice going after Antonian's sensetil.
Speaker 2: It's it's such a weird, I think some Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean the funny thing is they probably traded their
Speaker 3: best peace already.
Speaker 2: In Halverson. Yeah, that's in around.
Speaker 3: The definitely, like I'm foreshadowing.
Speaker 1: I do think.
Speaker 2: I think McCarthy McCarthy, Yeah, And I don't think it's
Speaker 2: gonna go well wherever he goes. I think he's very
Speaker 2: much a function of.
Speaker 1: Being in like.
Speaker 3: Also every team can kind of use his like quick
Speaker 3: bench outfielder, defensive.
Speaker 1: Speed he can give them.
Speaker 2: But if that's what they're acquiring in their minds, I
Speaker 2: think they'll be happy. I think if they think he's
Speaker 2: gonna hit even as well as he has in in coleradio.
Speaker 3: And there's like an argument that maybe you want this
Speaker 3: guy as opposed to your like best speed in defense,
Speaker 3: center fielder in triple A right, Like, look, he has some,
Speaker 3: he's got some. He must have some playoff experience, and
Speaker 3: they're somewhere with the Diamondbacks. But he's like a veteran
Speaker 3: like he can like he can take it it back.
Speaker 3: I mean, you should him being good.
Speaker 1: Do you know his.
Speaker 2: Plugging percentage I will find based on the inside the
Speaker 2: park home runs?
Speaker 3: Is it over five?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Jeff, Well it's it's I don't follow the five eleven.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: His previous career highest four twenty seven. I mean, like,
Speaker 2: look if he if he can slug four thirty.
Speaker 3: What's the team the biggest outfield they can trade him to.
Speaker 1: That's true play off.
Speaker 3: None of the Ray is probably he does kind of
Speaker 3: feel a little raised. I don't think the Rays will
Speaker 3: do it, but he just kind of feel a little raised.
Speaker 1: I mean to Luca Ja McCarthy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chandler Simpson outfield, the biggest outfield, I mean, the
Speaker 2: the Orioles are three back, the Diamondback I mean where
Speaker 2: he just the Diamondbacks.
Speaker 3: The Diamondbacks off spot right now, they could use it.
Speaker 3: Man Pittsburgh, they feel like they already have field. They
Speaker 3: already have Jared Tary alone. I don't think they need
Speaker 3: him to That's not an outfielder played in the outfield
Speaker 3: for them. At some point. They have Jake Mangum, don't
Speaker 3: they It's basically Jake.
Speaker 1: They do have. They don't need to do that. Uhh yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I'm sure that they're not trading
Speaker 3: like that. People are really calling on Kyle Freeland. I
Speaker 3: want to see I want to I would.
Speaker 1: Like to see the sad answer here is Cleveland.
Speaker 3: I like to see the cell phone bell.
Speaker 2: Is that a big outfield?
Speaker 1: I don't, And I just Cleveland needs him, that doesn't
Speaker 1: matter what the field is. He is an upgrade for
Speaker 1: Daniel Shneman. They need, they need to find a new
Speaker 1: Miles Straw. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Padres are considering trading Mason Miller.
Speaker 1: I mean, look a J. Prowler is considering the drawers.
Speaker 1: What have I got?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: I guess Yeah, they're three back right now. It feels
Speaker 1: like they will stay three back every single game for
Speaker 1: the rest of the year. Like it just feels like
Speaker 1: they are like they and the Marlins will just be
Speaker 1: together at the same spot in the standings.
Speaker 3: I think there's to be them in the Nats. I
Speaker 3: think the Marlins might fade, okay, fair, I mean the
Speaker 3: Nats might also trades like Luis Garcier or something.
Speaker 1: I do want to update.
Speaker 2: Very early in the season, I believe we had a
Speaker 2: question of whether we believed Mason Miller would in the
Speaker 2: year with a negative FIP. Yeah, he's currently at zero
Speaker 2: point five to one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he ain't get it much lower. I don't think
Speaker 3: it's not gonna Yeah, it's gonna be very good.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean very good as an understatement.
Speaker 3: But I think it's gonna be giving up a home run.
Speaker 1: Yet he is not given up. I was just looking
Speaker 1: to see how unlikely that was. Let's see keep talking.
Speaker 3: The strike out raid has dropped enough now where it's like.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is merely sixteen point eight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be like nineteen to probably keep a
Speaker 3: negative FIP.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, hits allowed four point five. It's probably
Speaker 2: just too hot. Again, like that's in the three. I
Speaker 2: mean it's in Kirby Yates zone. Yeah, maybe still something
Speaker 2: something to track. Look, they would get an absolute hall.
Speaker 2: Ye who who fits here?
Speaker 3: Cubs?
Speaker 2: Who are they giving up in an absolute.
Speaker 1: Hall for Mason?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, so here's the That's not their kind
Speaker 3: of move. It's not. But the problem is, I mean
Speaker 3: Jed Hoyer was there when they traded for a w
Speaker 3: Oldest Chapman.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 3: I don't so they set the problem is that they paid.
Speaker 3: I don't want to it's up they like they paid
Speaker 3: too much for Mason Miller, but they set the bar
Speaker 3: of what masimilar brought back by trading their own top
Speaker 3: five prospect, right like, so, like, I know he's pitched
Speaker 3: for them now for what the full season or two seasons?
Speaker 3: When did this trade happen?
Speaker 2: This would be the full season? Right was last year?
Speaker 3: I have no sense of time anymore. He is going
Speaker 3: to have less trade value just because there's less control, right,
Speaker 3: But you're still gonna want like a top twenty five
Speaker 3: guy back from him under those parameters and again, I
Speaker 3: don't know if there's a team out there that will
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 2: All right, that's the problem. That's the problem with the
Speaker 2: entire Who's gonna do Who's gonna do these.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm going to talk for wfan this week and
Speaker 3: suggest trading Jason Domingez and Spencer Jones because they are
Speaker 3: the new Fraser and Andahar. We can all enjoy that.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna bring in real quick, okay. And I
Speaker 1: tell you that there have been eight picture seasons in
Speaker 1: the modern nineteen eighty seven plus era where a pitcher
Speaker 1: has gone at least sixty innings and not giving up
Speaker 1: a home run. Six of them are middle relievers.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only closers are Dave Smith of the Astros in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven and Jason ingers Isringhausen for the Cardinals.
Speaker 1: Two members of the twenty fourteen Royals are on this list,
Speaker 1: Wayne Davis and Calvin Herre. Heathcliff Slocum Slom is on
Speaker 1: this Therefore, this list means nothing. Yeah.
Speaker 3: When I picture Heathcliff Slocum in my mind, it is
Speaker 3: giving up a backbreaking home I know he was a
Speaker 3: good I know he was a good reliever.
Speaker 1: I can give you five guesses at which team he
Speaker 1: even did this for, and I don't think you would
Speaker 1: give it. I forgot. He's had a lot of teams,
Speaker 1: a lot of teams. Phillies, Yeah, Phillies. Wow, I forgot.
Speaker 3: I just picked the team that like, what is the team?
Speaker 3: I what is the team I think about? He clipped
Speaker 3: Slocum on the fourth Moost.
Speaker 2: So, speaking of the Phillies, they are the only team
Speaker 2: I think would.
Speaker 3: Sure, I don't know that they have the pieces.
Speaker 2: I agree with that part of it, Jeff Brees. But
Speaker 2: even on the motivation, I don't know that any other team.
Speaker 2: Just go across the playoff teams and there's a lot
Speaker 2: of seems you can put in this mix.
Speaker 3: The Yankees, is there, Kayla, Yankees if they trade George Lombard,
Speaker 3: like I think they're the Yankees are.
Speaker 2: Not gonna trade for me. They don't need to.
Speaker 3: I mean they don't.
Speaker 2: But also like not how they act anymore.
Speaker 3: It isn't. Maybe it should be, but it isn't. I mean,
Speaker 3: you trade for him, you see it.
Speaker 2: You want to say, maybe it's fine. If you want
Speaker 2: to say maybe maybe the Yankees, fine, not the Rays,
Speaker 2: maybe the Yankees, not the Red Sox. I don't think.
Speaker 3: I don't think.
Speaker 2: Uh, Orioles are probably too far out. I mean, they
Speaker 2: could use them, I don't know, but that's not how
Speaker 2: they act. Certainly, not the White Sox, not the Guardians, Uh,
Speaker 2: not the Rangers, not the Mariners, not the Braves. Billies
Speaker 2: might not have the pieces, not Milwaukee, you can say Chicago.
Speaker 2: It's again not really how they do it. Uh, Dodgers
Speaker 2: don't need them. Dodgers aren't going to do it. Diamondbacks
Speaker 2: aren't going to do.
Speaker 3: It, right. That's like the only person that would have
Speaker 3: traded for Mason Mill that much for Mason Miller in
Speaker 3: the first place might have been the Padres.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Well, look, and that's if you're saying you're going to
Speaker 2: get back leader degrees, I don't think you are. But
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call a hall, the Yankees could
Speaker 2: do it, and I don't think are super motivated to.
Speaker 1: Personally.
Speaker 2: The Phillies I think are motivated to, especially with Keller
Speaker 2: going out, and don't really I'm not sure they have
Speaker 2: the pieces.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of teams that basically all the teams
Speaker 1: that would move.
Speaker 2: Although if there is a team that will take busted
Speaker 2: back Aiden Miller, It might be the Padre, it might
Speaker 2: be a J.
Speaker 1: Prowler.
Speaker 2: And and then you have the Cubs and I don't
Speaker 2: know that they're motivated to and I don't know how
Speaker 2: much their their far their fund is not bad and
Speaker 2: they have a bunch of young guys. But like it,
Speaker 2: really the quality is Is.
Speaker 1: That fair to say? Jeff like it?
Speaker 2: How much do you like Matt Shaw? How much do
Speaker 2: you like this biasteros? How much do you like.
Speaker 1: Injured arms? Right?
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I could see Ad Preler liking Kevin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Jackson Wiggins is back on the mound.
Speaker 3: You think Conrad is back playing now? But like that's
Speaker 3: again you're taking guys coming back.
Speaker 2: Look, I didn't mention Josia Hertstorn and people tend to like.
Speaker 2: But again, do you want to give up Josiah Heartstorn
Speaker 2: for for a reliever right now? If you're Chicago, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: You might.
Speaker 2: I think you can make a compelling case.
Speaker 1: You can make.
Speaker 3: This is the highest hearts Worn's values ever going to
Speaker 3: be ready and upper minor pitching. Yet it's kind of
Speaker 3: a and.
Speaker 2: You're you're very much in the mix, But like, can
Speaker 2: Josiah heartsworn lead a Mason Miller deal.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I mean eighth round weird prep bat like that is
Speaker 3: of J Peler's alley.
Speaker 2: He does love that ship, sure, but you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, like I think, yeah, I mean the X
Speaker 2: factor is always like what does a J Preler think
Speaker 2: of something? I don't know, But like.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think that's a tough one.
Speaker 1: What about the White Sox. I mean I ruled them out,
Speaker 1: I think, but like they theoretically have the parts to
Speaker 1: do it. They have eight guys this year. I know, theoretically.
Speaker 1: That's why I put does that?
Speaker 2: What does that look? I know you're not the prospect person,
Speaker 2: so I'm not it's it's not a fair situation. But
Speaker 2: what do you What does that look like to you?
Speaker 1: I mean they can't trade, uh, they can't trade their
Speaker 1: number one prospect right now, But like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what it looks like to me. I mean, I'm assuming
Speaker 1: Bomber's the big piece and you have one or two more,
Speaker 1: but like they at least have the needs. Anthony Dimngez
Speaker 1: is the closer, but he's you know, you know, he's
Speaker 1: he walks five for nine. I think they would love
Speaker 1: to not have him be the closer if they were
Speaker 1: making the playoffs. I think, look there that he's going
Speaker 1: certainly guaranteed to use Mason Miller over the window of
Speaker 1: him the forest free agency. They're going to be in
Speaker 1: this position for the next couple of years.
Speaker 2: I think you could construct right, like you have more
Speaker 2: common on a short term deal, you can construct a
Speaker 2: lot of reasons to say, like you're you're here, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you have you have You're arguably your best player is
Speaker 2: only on a short term deal, like.
Speaker 1: Go while you can.
Speaker 2: I kind of think it's a it's a real mistake
Speaker 2: to go heavily for this season, like to treat and
Speaker 2: Jeff can speak better than I can to how good
Speaker 2: Caleb Bonhemer is, but like to do it for a
Speaker 2: reliever as good a reliever as Mason Miller is. So
Speaker 2: the argument feels really like reaching above your station a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 3: If I were to sit here and tell you, you know,
Speaker 3: make an argument for putting Caleb Bonber in this deal,
Speaker 3: it would be one like the contact rates from better
Speaker 3: in double A and he's starting to hit for more
Speaker 3: power at double A two and something is not a
Speaker 3: great place to hit. I mean the contact right, and
Speaker 3: Hya was not good, Like there is some significant hit
Speaker 3: to a risk. I had a scout recently put a
Speaker 3: dan Ugla comp on him, which is a fun comp.
Speaker 1: And like.
Speaker 3: You can construct an argument like that they would be
Speaker 3: trading from surplus here. M hmm, given that they already
Speaker 3: have Coulton, Montgomery, Vargas, Antonacci and dr Now I think
Speaker 3: Bonhamber can be better than several of those guys. But
Speaker 3: like I can see the like the White Sox are
Speaker 3: gonna the White Sides are not the kind of teen
Speaker 3: that's going to have a lot of surplus anywhere, right.
Speaker 1: So and you need that, I mean the other things.
Speaker 3: But they're not gonna have depth either way, right, Like
Speaker 3: they're not gonna have depth either way. So the argument
Speaker 3: they're like, you do like a you know, I don't
Speaker 3: know if you can sell anybody, but.
Speaker 2: Let's just say this happened, Like, what are the odds
Speaker 2: you would then put a Mason Miller being traded next time?
Speaker 3: Most sure? Very high.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's the argument that no one should trade
Speaker 1: for Mason Miller, right given the price we assume for him,
Speaker 1: that that is just unreasonable or any team And that's fine.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's well, I mean the funny, the funny,
Speaker 1: the worst part of it is a team that certainly
Speaker 1: makes the most sense from a you needed a or
Speaker 1: you're planning to need a lights out reliever and will
Speaker 1: be in a situation where that actually matters for you
Speaker 1: going forward is the Dodgors.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, they don't. Right there, They're not going to
Speaker 2: do it. They they made they made their play with
Speaker 2: Edwin Diaz. They they have gotten their bullpen healthy, right,
Speaker 2: Like brock Stewart is briefly upright, Evan Phillips is back.
Speaker 2: He's throwing ninety eight recently. Uh, he looked pretty good
Speaker 2: his last having one before that not so much.
Speaker 1: But in terms of just.
Speaker 2: The omnipresent need of a high leverage guy, even just
Speaker 2: for October, that's the team that makes the most sense, right,
Speaker 2: So I don't think I but I don't think they
Speaker 2: make sense in in every other context. And like, I
Speaker 2: don't think they'd trade those pieces. I don't know that
Speaker 2: they care that much about the divisional thing. But I
Speaker 2: don't think they're going to trade one of their outfielders
Speaker 2: for to to San Diego, uh, for a piece that
Speaker 2: that is ultimately probably extraneous. Now you could you could gain, say, like,
Speaker 2: how how much do you want to trust Edwin Diaz
Speaker 2: compared to Mason Miller with the game on the line.
Speaker 2: I'd rather have Mason Miller, right, But yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: know the Mets. M HM, need I say more?
Speaker 1: The Mets.
Speaker 2: They're getting calls about Louise Robert.
Speaker 3: They should trade Louise Robert as soon as possible.
Speaker 2: Said, Either're getting calls from.
Speaker 3: No, but it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: I'm just curious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. Phillies could use Robert. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: can do. You can package like Robert and a reliever
Speaker 3: for them. I think, would you know Robert and Brooks
Speaker 3: Raley or something and get a nice little piece back.
Speaker 3: I don't know how pot committed they are, add justin
Speaker 3: Crawford and centerfield. At this point the edge should be
Speaker 3: not very.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like you basically have ten days to try
Speaker 1: to Yeah, like.
Speaker 3: He's played two games, He's looked fine. He has a
Speaker 3: her neated disk in his back, so there's that there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he might just want to Like I don't think. I
Speaker 3: do not think he will play well enough where you
Speaker 3: want to pick up the twenty million dollar option, especially
Speaker 3: giving youing and benches success this year. So yeah, just
Speaker 3: hope he stays healthy for the next ten days and
Speaker 3: plip him. They're gonna be busy.
Speaker 1: Trying to take whatever. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: You'll probably actually do better than the least on Helicunya.
Speaker 2: So John Mozeliak, Yeah, might might be busy. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's this is maybe the most interesting thing is this,
Speaker 2: This change in power has perhaps opened up perhaps.
Speaker 3: Look, if I'm John Mozzellia, he's he.
Speaker 2: I heard him on a broadcast. God knows why I
Speaker 2: tuned into an Angel's Cardinals game, but I did, and
Speaker 2: he was on the broadcast, you know it. I saw
Speaker 2: reports that they're listening on zach Netto. Uh yeah, and
Speaker 2: and he see he seemed to be more open to
Speaker 2: debt mers at least I haven't. I don't hear a
Speaker 2: ton about Soriano. But it doesn't matter, I think.
Speaker 3: So what's that Berreano's better in a way where.
Speaker 1: Okay, you might just want to It.
Speaker 2: Seems to me if you're trading, if you're willing to
Speaker 2: listen on Netto and debt mers, sure Soriano is now elegily.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't like this is all going to
Speaker 3: come down to I mean, there are other reporting around
Speaker 3: this before miss Aliak was hired with that they were
Speaker 3: not going to move any of these guys, right, and
Speaker 3: I assume that was coming from Arty.
Speaker 2: Now now he does not talk to Artie.
Speaker 3: Well, yes, but going out there, it's like one of
Speaker 3: those things where if you keep saying it in the media,
Speaker 3: eventually already might just agree to it because that's out there,
Speaker 3: like like he can't if you're not directly talking to
Speaker 3: each other, he might just stay out of it. At
Speaker 3: this point, you just keep saying, yeah, they're available. And
Speaker 3: I don't know what Molly Jolly's opinion is on all
Speaker 3: of this, so no.
Speaker 2: Nor I I think they should be The Angels have
Speaker 2: the opportunity to own the pitching.
Speaker 3: Market, especially if your guys with control, right, so it's
Speaker 3: not just your trading first.
Speaker 2: And then you know, we we spent a long time.
Speaker 2: Patrick then wrote a piece on the Red Sox and trade.
Speaker 2: We spent a long time talking about their shortstop issue.
Speaker 2: Zach netto Yeah, would probably be very appealing for a
Speaker 2: lot of teams, to a lot.
Speaker 1: Of especially for a team that is trying to dislodge
Speaker 1: its like name brand. But not good short stop, Like
Speaker 1: you can't. I don't think the Red Sox can move
Speaker 1: on from story if they're getting Andre Semenez, even if
Speaker 1: Andrea Semenz is incrementally better at this point in his
Speaker 1: career than Trevor's story.
Speaker 3: Like Netta would make a lot of sense in the
Speaker 3: Bronx mm hmm, especially in that park. Outside of that park.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good point. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 2: would be.
Speaker 3: And look, those are both teams. Like I don't love
Speaker 3: the Yankee system, but it's certainly deep enough for a
Speaker 3: zachnetto trade and Boston has bustn't go out and get
Speaker 3: whoever they want.
Speaker 1: Basically, they wouldn't.
Speaker 2: They wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1: Patrick, but.
Speaker 2: The Mariners could use that.
Speaker 3: They're not gonna block Cole Emerson playing shorts.
Speaker 2: I said they're not gonna do it. I said, they're
Speaker 2: not gonna do it. But but when I when you,
Speaker 2: when you help me make that chart of the team
Speaker 2: by team and buy position projections for the rest of
Speaker 2: the season. The Mariners dark blue spot was short stop.
Speaker 3: I mean I did not really I knew Cole Emerson
Speaker 3: had not been good. It did not really sound quite
Speaker 3: how bad.
Speaker 1: He just played discipline, but then it did for Cole
Speaker 1: Young last year too, and then but.
Speaker 3: I mean, look that it has but also like and
Speaker 3: Cole Young's fine, yeah, but like if you're only getting
Speaker 3: the gabag hitters out of those two guys, like you've
Speaker 3: got a problem. Well you know, it's like do Maasarowski
Speaker 3: with the glove or something based on brs.
Speaker 1: But like, Brendan Donovan certainly is a baseball player who
Speaker 1: exists theoretically. I don't know where he is at this point.
Speaker 1: But man, this team really put a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of its off season was about getting Brendon Donovan
Speaker 1: and then not getting Brendan Donovan too much, Buddy Kennedy.
Speaker 2: Lastly, the Nationals might just keep Foster Griffin. Sure, I
Speaker 2: mean he showed up on that that leaderboard game and
Speaker 2: I was not expecting that. I mean sure, I guess
Speaker 2: I know they're a little bit in the Cardinals spot
Speaker 2: where it's like they might just do very little.
Speaker 3: Can they qualify him? I know it varies based on
Speaker 3: it's when foreign professionals.
Speaker 2: Were you gonna qualify and offer Foster Griffin?
Speaker 3: Why not?
Speaker 1: That's a lot of money for Foster.
Speaker 3: I mean, it would probably find on one in twenty
Speaker 3: been very good, Greig, he has.
Speaker 2: He's been very good. I can't argue with that.
Speaker 3: I think it might be worth the risk to qualify
Speaker 3: Foster Griffin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting one. And there's nothing that you
Speaker 1: look at Foster griv there's nothing wrong.
Speaker 2: It's not like they look it's not like they're going
Speaker 2: to run up against the cap if they did it.
Speaker 2: Sure you know the cap, the luxury attack. It's so
Speaker 2: like as long as they don't care about that money
Speaker 2: that much, God bless right. And if you get a
Speaker 2: pick out of it or whatever, if someone goes above
Speaker 2: and beyond. But I would get the vibe that I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: I guess the other question is like, are you really
Speaker 3: beating a second round pick for a Foster Griffin rental?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I Also, I don't know that you necessarily need to
Speaker 2: be in the Foster Griffin business next year.
Speaker 1: Sure you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like this, he's been very good, he's got a three
Speaker 2: nights fit.
Speaker 3: But do you think someone else might want to be
Speaker 3: in that foster?
Speaker 2: Yeah? But you want to right, you want to go
Speaker 2: get the next Foster Griffin, not pay twenty million dollars
Speaker 2: for the current for.
Speaker 3: The that's a risk you take by qualifying it. But
Speaker 3: I don't you got to run the you know, run
Speaker 3: the math and see what you think.
Speaker 2: Right, all right, why don't we take a break and
Speaker 2: we'll come back with the rest of the show. Welcome
Speaker 2: back to episode five hundred and sixty five of five
Speaker 2: and Dive. We're on our third segment, Slow news week.
Speaker 2: We only made it two topics before the break, but
Speaker 2: it's a slow news week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I just know I wanted it is
Speaker 3: it is. I wanted to like do a segment on
Speaker 3: just like weird stuff that's happened this week basically that
Speaker 3: doesn't quite like it technically could fit in around the horn,
Speaker 3: but I also feel like there's like an undercurrent of
Speaker 3: called oddity. Yea, let's go I put it.
Speaker 1: Let's start with oddity. Yeah, because the Phillies cannot be
Speaker 1: remotely normal and bless them.
Speaker 3: For Craig's especially blessing them this week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look what the fuck was that?
Speaker 3: So if you haven't seen it, and I assume anyone
Speaker 3: listening to the show has, uh, the Philly has had
Speaker 3: what second and third?
Speaker 1: Second and third? One out?
Speaker 3: Yeah, down, one down, one against Evan Phillips, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: Uh, it was against Tanner Scott.
Speaker 3: Tanner Scott. Sure, Tanner Scott living the Good Life clearly
Speaker 3: is a ground ball to bats. Crawford breaks for the plates.
Speaker 3: It's like dead to rights. So he does what you're
Speaker 3: supposed to do, which is yet caught in a rundown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was interesting. The infield was not.
Speaker 3: In. It was hit pretty hard.
Speaker 2: It was It's Brandon Marsh, so it was hit pretty hard.
Speaker 2: When he makes contact, it's hard and clearly yeah you
Speaker 2: know what, Actually I say it, but it was like
Speaker 2: chopped right like it.
Speaker 3: Wasn't It didn't look like contact. Play was on.
Speaker 1: He got to.
Speaker 2: Muncy relatively quickly, but it was not like well struck
Speaker 2: he was. I would say he was started about even
Speaker 2: with the bat right, he was holding the run. But
Speaker 2: the infield was not in.
Speaker 3: Right, and Crawford like, the play is very close to him, right,
Speaker 3: So if he's not.
Speaker 2: He was off on contact it was, which is.
Speaker 3: Not a problem. Sure, yeah you think so he was
Speaker 3: dead to rights. He gets a rundown, you know. Well, yeah,
Speaker 3: so it wasn't enough of a I don't know who
Speaker 3: hit it, oh Marsh, there was enough of a rundown
Speaker 3: to let him get to second.
Speaker 2: Or he just wasn't getting to say, I don't the
Speaker 2: breakdowns on Philly's base running on this like, I don't
Speaker 2: know if he just didn't go to second.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't either, But that was not the biggest
Speaker 3: problem with.
Speaker 2: No got to third he did. Well, No, but if
Speaker 2: if marsh goes to second, real Mudo isn't coming I mean,
Speaker 2: isn't coming back.
Speaker 3: I mean maybe he is. He didn't have to. So anyway,
Speaker 3: at a certain point during the rundown, a JT just
Speaker 3: starts running back to second base.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep.
Speaker 2: So at a certain point he was acting like Crawford
Speaker 2: was going to get back to third safely, which was
Speaker 2: not going to happen. No, it was. I mean, he was,
Speaker 2: as you said, dead to rights. The catcher ran back
Speaker 2: a fair amount of the way. Gooky bats is standing there.
Speaker 2: It was not hard. And then he tags Crawford and
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, real inexplicably, guys, he was touching third base.
Speaker 3: He was on third base. He was standing on third base.
Speaker 2: Once you're on third base, is the runner in that situation?
Speaker 3: You're there, right the worst case, you're the tying run. Yes,
Speaker 3: you're the tying run. The worst case scenario, like the
Speaker 3: play hasn't gone well, but you still have you know, you're.
Speaker 2: Scoring on all scenarios. Then is on third with two
Speaker 2: outs and and arguably again marsh should be at second.
Speaker 2: So the winning run is on second with two outs.
Speaker 3: A worst case, A worst case than the worst case that.
Speaker 1: He ran back and key, you.
Speaker 4: Know he didn't make a good mook. He didn't even
Speaker 4: make it wasn't a strong He threw it as fast
Speaker 4: as he can. Yeah, like as sorry, as quickly as
Speaker 4: he It was not fast, but it was enough time
Speaker 4: And again.
Speaker 3: Question the catcher is still but something clicked in real
Speaker 3: mod like I gotta go back to second, and like
Speaker 3: I just.
Speaker 2: The explanations have not made sense, he said, like you
Speaker 2: gotta play it out in your head ahead of time
Speaker 2: or whatever. No you don't. You just stand on third.
Speaker 2: Just if you get to third as a runner in
Speaker 2: that situation, stand on.
Speaker 3: Third, right, and if they tag both you and somebody's out.
Speaker 2: Well you know, and somebody isn't, then someone is on third.
Speaker 3: But like, I just don't understand as like as a
Speaker 3: baseball player, and Mudo is obviously you know he's at
Speaker 3: least in his younger years. Was it very fast for
Speaker 3: a catcher a good bass runner in general? But he's
Speaker 3: played a lot of baseball. How many times when a
Speaker 3: play is going on that you are not directly involved in, right,
Speaker 3: Like it's on a rundown? Do you think I'm going
Speaker 3: to run backwards on the basis, Like, how does that
Speaker 3: even enter your mind?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You always are going in one direction on the basis.
Speaker 3: It's not like a tag up situation or any of that, right,
Speaker 3: or somebody caught it in the outfield like the plays.
Speaker 2: Yourebias is the only person to think it successfully, right.
Speaker 3: Yes, well yeah, like I just don't know why he didn't.
Speaker 1: They have to make a rule about it because somebody
Speaker 1: was trying to steal first.
Speaker 2: What is happening in Pennsylvania and base run?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well there's the guy that ran backwards on his
Speaker 3: hundred thumb run ran the basis backwards on run in
Speaker 3: the sixties, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Well, I thought there was one that tried to run
Speaker 1: from second to first so that he could lure a
Speaker 1: throw to get the so that a guy on third. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that sounds familiar, which they had to make a rule
Speaker 1: then not let you do that basically, which feels like
Speaker 1: one of the most experience, Like you don't want to
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 3: It's like that was the play that sam Elli need
Speaker 3: to legislate this write about. And the guy just like
Speaker 3: walks into the outfield.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sunk in the outfield.
Speaker 3: That's what it is. Yeah, remember what animal it was?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: But yeah, like just and the other thing is it
Speaker 3: was they lost after that because it was a ninth inning,
Speaker 3: you should mention.
Speaker 2: The game was over, I mean cataclysmic.
Speaker 3: You got to play it out in your head. Okay,
Speaker 3: at what point in your head are you deciding? You know,
Speaker 3: as someone with anxiety issues who catastrophizes often, like I
Speaker 3: couldn't come up with just I'm going to run back
Speaker 3: to second base now, the worst thing possible out of here.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you just got to get out of dodge.
Speaker 2: I Yeah, I don't know, Its just it also like
Speaker 2: it made you immediately think back to the playoff game
Speaker 2: with the wheel play that that because it's these two teams, right,
Speaker 2: and like that wasn't even bad base running to me,
Speaker 2: although someone pointed out to me, Uh a shocker who
Speaker 2: I talked to pointed out to me that like they
Speaker 2: had missed with the bunt and and the Dodgers showed
Speaker 2: that they were doing the wheel play the pitch before
Speaker 2: and so like, but that's not a base running error
Speaker 2: to me, that's a managerial decision.
Speaker 1: Whether you want to, you also still have to execute it.
Speaker 1: They it was not easy to do.
Speaker 2: But like between the Dodgers, like executing that that wheel
Speaker 2: play and then like this happening again, same ballpark, same
Speaker 2: base Like, I don't know, it's just there's bad juju
Speaker 2: there for Philly. It just feels like at this point,
Speaker 2: not far down ninety five.
Speaker 3: In Baltimore, Yes, that is where is if you didn't
Speaker 3: know what.
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Jeffrey saw saw a game between two streaking clubs
Speaker 2: in Baltimore and Boston earlier this week and said, of
Speaker 2: course Christian and Karnacian Strand is in Boston. I was like, no, no,
Speaker 2: he's in Baltimore.
Speaker 3: He's like, okay, that works too.
Speaker 2: Uh, Jeffrey, I feel like you particularly delighted in this.
Speaker 3: I did so between. He had a good game in
Speaker 3: the first game of the doubleheader yesterday, had a lot
Speaker 3: of good games for Baltimore. Actually, and Andy Costa tried
Speaker 3: to get you know, a couple of minutes with him
Speaker 3: in between the games, and he told him, uh, I
Speaker 3: got to go take a nap and I was like,
Speaker 3: it only be a couple of minutes. He's like, I understand,
Speaker 3: but it's nap time. Yeah, Like I don't like it naptime, man,
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 2: I respect that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. You we'd often talk about like players finding something.
Speaker 3: I think christiansto Strand has found something, and snap time
Speaker 3: he's found.
Speaker 1: Asking me about my my greatness will reduce my greatness. Yeah, because.
Speaker 2: And even you know, well it's not to me that
Speaker 2: this is fine shi.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I also Yama motives. Some of these they're
Speaker 1: like I need twelve.
Speaker 3: Hours of sleep, like high performance.
Speaker 2: Twelve to thirteen hours of sleeping or something Otani. I
Speaker 2: think like it is like ten, Like I okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess I don't know, Like you gotta go out
Speaker 2: there and didn't Lebron always nap before games.
Speaker 3: He gives like a sleep machine or something probably like
Speaker 3: that's somehow of weird, like well.
Speaker 1: Like a hyperbaric chamber or something like that.
Speaker 3: I think I can't.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming not just a seatpath.
Speaker 3: That's just a seatpath. What I did enjoy is like
Speaker 3: a lot Oftentimes you'll see reporters get kind of fussy
Speaker 3: or crankly tweet about players not giving them access or
Speaker 3: not talking to the matter of the game, and he's
Speaker 3: just like, I can't argue with that. The guy needs
Speaker 3: a nap. I can't, Like I can't. Yeah, fine, I
Speaker 3: get it. He needs that. We all need a nap.
Speaker 1: I mean that was to watch two.
Speaker 3: Orioles baseball games. I'd want to nap in between two.
Speaker 1: For all of us. That was a better outcome than
Speaker 1: strand just talking about why he's been.
Speaker 3: Hitting on right, Yeah, no, exact.
Speaker 1: The real answer is so like if.
Speaker 3: You if you can't, if you can't get something out
Speaker 3: of that, like I question your writing credentials.
Speaker 2: Basically, Jeffy, you're gonna need to explain this next one
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: What is the is this one? This is Iglesias?
Speaker 3: Oh holy Iglesias press release went out this morning. Is
Speaker 3: going to be in Buena Vista Social Club on Broadway.
Speaker 1: We haven't had enough. We haven't been athlete actor.
Speaker 3: Doing doing what singing and dancing and acting because we know.
Speaker 1: He can sing. Can you do those things?
Speaker 3: It's a Broadway, it's a musical. It's not like that
Speaker 3: people it's like the acting. I'm not shoting on musical.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying he doesn't have to be like you know,
Speaker 3: Laurence Olivier.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, it's not Himlet yeah, all right.
Speaker 3: I don't like No, I don't know how involved he is.
Speaker 2: There's there's a there's a role in Chicago that they
Speaker 2: give to famous people just to get people to the
Speaker 2: to the box office. That is like not like you
Speaker 2: got to be able to do a little bit, but
Speaker 2: not that much like reality TV stars keep getting this role.
Speaker 3: All right, he is joining the company as the narrator.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so it feels maybe a little more stuntish.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm not particularly so. I don't
Speaker 3: know how involved it is, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I hope he ends up pushing this. Yeah,
Speaker 2: go for it, man, like yeah, not to not just
Speaker 2: stunt roles. I would love them. As Patrick said, let's
Speaker 2: get some athlete to to after.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe this is a gateway for him.
Speaker 3: Shawn Lynch like there's not in him.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and he kind of just plays marsha on Lynch. No,
Speaker 2: it's good, don't get me wrong. I watched Murdertown. I
Speaker 2: enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: The last, the last one I'm thinking before marsha On
Speaker 2: Lynch is uh not someone I want to bring up.
Speaker 2: So yeah, let's get some more. Let's get let's get
Speaker 2: a different set at Jim Brown. Jim Brown, what down
Speaker 2: till dusk or something? I'm skipping a notable another notable
Speaker 2: football running back in between.
Speaker 1: Don't worry. Yeah, I mean there's Berlin Olson like belove
Speaker 1: what Merlin like? He used to be? Football players were
Speaker 1: constantly on TV, right, Merlin Olson, Alex Carris, Merlin Olsen.
Speaker 1: He was a aligneman. He was like an all pro lineman,
Speaker 1: like a Hall of Famer. Okay, he's the Hall of Fame. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't even know that.
Speaker 3: A had a lot of football movies too. You have
Speaker 3: Brian's on you like North Dallas forty. You had a
Speaker 3: lot of football movies in the seventies. I feelah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Back to baseball. Yeah, but staying in New York. MLB
Speaker 2: is cracking down on Jose Cavallero's bullshit. Now, I saw that.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know what he's doing. I saw
Speaker 2: someone saying found a loophole, but I don't how many.
Speaker 3: What it does is he waits. So you have to
Speaker 3: make it with a picture, I think with eight seconds,
Speaker 3: so that he waits until like nine seconds and then
Speaker 3: looks at the picture immediately. But I for me, this
Speaker 3: isn't any different than the picture holding it until the
Speaker 3: apsolute last second either, right like it allowed No one does, Yeah,
Speaker 3: most people don't.
Speaker 2: But I mean you mean like the last second till
Speaker 2: the clock runs out. Yeah, but it feels more in
Speaker 2: the flow of things, just because pictures take a while,
Speaker 2: like batters don't.
Speaker 3: Need to write do. I think it's gainsmanship, right, Sometimes
Speaker 3: you'll get them like if he thinks like you know,
Speaker 3: you'll see like pictures being like he's not he's not
Speaker 3: looking at me to the umpire. Sometimes then you'll get
Speaker 3: him to step off.
Speaker 1: Like what's gonna happen is that Cabrio just take longer
Speaker 1: to get like the problem wasn't that he.
Speaker 2: Was taking it was that he was doing it ostentatiously well,
Speaker 2: and he was in the box and every you know,
Speaker 2: like ninety nine percent ready and holding there.
Speaker 1: I think he just takes longer to get in the box.
Speaker 1: Get in the box, and it's fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the like obviously this is for play
Speaker 3: or safety, right, they don't want the pictures quick, pitching
Speaker 3: them before they're ready in the box. Because of the
Speaker 3: pitch click, everything's gonna go a little quicker. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like, I don't know, it's a they're gonna like
Speaker 3: they're they're gonna wait if you like, they're gonna time
Speaker 3: him right, they're gonna be like a lot of times
Speaker 3: like they're they're not gonna it's a lot like it's
Speaker 3: the delay of game. We you have to look at
Speaker 3: the clock. You look at the guy, look at the clock,
Speaker 3: look back to the guy, like you get a little
Speaker 3: bit of a great I think Caber, they're gonna be
Speaker 3: staring him down at that clock hits eight strike, buddy, Yeah,
Speaker 3: they're gonna be. He's made it to to us.
Speaker 1: I also.
Speaker 2: To your point, like, is it is it different than
Speaker 2: pictures waiting until last second? No, maybe not, but they're
Speaker 2: the ones who.
Speaker 3: Start, yeah, the action.
Speaker 2: So I also just this sucks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like it's like it's just it's just this
Speaker 3: is that additive to the game in any way. It's
Speaker 3: just I don't think it's the big advantage.
Speaker 2: Ram just stop it and honestly, like I'm this is
Speaker 2: two times two pods in a row. I'm with MLB.
Speaker 2: I'm like, stop it. I'm supportive of them. Stop it
Speaker 2: with your bullshit. Stop doing your weird bullshit ship on
Speaker 2: your custom tab and your tablets and and cut this
Speaker 2: ship out. This is You could argue it's arbitrary and
Speaker 2: capricious or whatever, right, but like it's correct. Cut it out,
Speaker 2: just cut it out.
Speaker 3: We didn't think you would do this, so we didn't
Speaker 3: write it into the role.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it's again, it's it's uh yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean it's like you said, it's gamesmanship. It's very rules lawyering, right,
Speaker 2: and it's just fuck that the funk off with that.
Speaker 3: It feels a little bit too like the you know,
Speaker 3: you have Craig and Patrick would knows better than I
Speaker 3: would have the two kids in the car and they're doing.
Speaker 2: I was about to say, it's like and it's like
Speaker 2: just like.
Speaker 3: I'm not touching you. I'm not touching it, like the
Speaker 3: hand in the face, right.
Speaker 1: That's exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just stop. The answer is stop.
Speaker 3: MLB will turn this car around to help.
Speaker 2: People turn this car around.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: Let's go to our first segment, staying on the road
Speaker 2: instead around the horn we mentioned it before Seth Halverson. Yes,
Speaker 2: the first trade deadline move. David are raised.
Speaker 3: David Peterson count as a trade.
Speaker 1: David Peterson like you, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I guess it's got to be after the All Star
Speaker 3: break to be like, that's kind of where that's fair.
Speaker 2: I think Seth Halverson to the Dodgers for Nick Frosso
Speaker 2: and Landon. You'll be surprised how he spells it. But Doric, Yeah,
Speaker 2: uh this this has a lot of hallmarks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is the most on brand first
Speaker 3: deadline trade possible the.
Speaker 1: Dodgers that involves the Rockies. There's a deal involves the
Speaker 1: Rockies at all.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's shocking.
Speaker 1: It's new management.
Speaker 3: There are usually the Dodgers don't have to give up
Speaker 3: any thing to get an interesting Rockies reliever they described them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: uh so Saith Halverson throws very hard. Yes, does not
Speaker 3: throw a lot of strikes. The Dodger sent him immediately
Speaker 3: Triple A after this trade.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he's on rehab.
Speaker 1: He's on the rehab. He's also like he's.
Speaker 3: Also yeah, he's been in Triple A some this year.
Speaker 1: Yes, ye, yeah, but he is.
Speaker 2: He's on the Major League injured list he is on
Speaker 2: his rehab assignment. I think they will just option to
Speaker 2: be sure.
Speaker 3: But yeah, for you know Nick Frosso who's made top
Speaker 3: one on ones in the past, and then Dark who
Speaker 3: I liked a lot out of the draft.
Speaker 2: Out of the draft. Yeah, he's the tools guy out
Speaker 2: of the draft, big tools. Except you know, Patrick, what
Speaker 2: did you say the the I forget exactly how you
Speaker 2: phrased it, but you said so, you know, it was like,
Speaker 2: we're littered.
Speaker 1: With yeah, the the the background of America littered with
Speaker 1: prospects who had everything but the hit tool.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yes, and that's exactly right.
Speaker 3: And look, the Dodgers picked him, gave him a swing change.
Speaker 3: It didn't work.
Speaker 1: It's not going well.
Speaker 3: It's not going well. So there is something to the
Speaker 3: idea that, like, if the Dodgers are giving up on
Speaker 3: a bat, there's quickly that probably tells you something.
Speaker 1: But the rock Dodgers are triting for relief.
Speaker 3: The Rockies also love Big twelve like major conference college performers.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a bad shout.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not a bad flyer. It's also the Rockies
Speaker 3: doing nothing well.
Speaker 1: Again, there are a lot of hallmarks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that Frasco isn't a bad shout either. But it's
Speaker 3: also like again.
Speaker 1: And the horse was around in Los Angeles to draft Frosso, right,
Speaker 1: So that's part of this as well.
Speaker 2: Sure there are a lot of indicators in both directions here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but could it work out for Colorado?
Speaker 3: I'm striking out like forty percent of the time in
Speaker 3: the cow leagues.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's it's essentially the way the Rockies are
Speaker 1: looking at it. They're trading what they see as a
Speaker 1: middle reliever for what they see as a room middle
Speaker 1: reliever and getting a getting a lottery ticket.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Uh, I don't know if I see them that way.
Speaker 3: I don't think I think that's what's going to happen after.
Speaker 1: Exactly like as I wrote the t A, it's so
Speaker 1: easy to see this trade going badly for the Rockies.
Speaker 1: It's just it's so easy, like he'll just be a
Speaker 1: good reliever in Frost.
Speaker 3: I mean, the Dodgers trading with the Rockies is very much.
Speaker 3: I love this te for the Dodgers. Who they give
Speaker 3: up and who they get, Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: We've done this a lot with a number of the
Speaker 2: Dodgers go through guys, right, they could be something and
Speaker 2: a lot of them flame out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they might not hit on this, but like.
Speaker 2: But they could.
Speaker 3: I was going back out.
Speaker 2: And it could be worth a lot. I mean they
Speaker 2: got Michael Kopak, who was.
Speaker 3: Profile, and they look they got what they needed out
Speaker 3: of Michael Cope because they can just keep running it.
Speaker 3: Bauman was posted by this blue sky and.
Speaker 2: Like, no, no, I agree. My point is, like I
Speaker 2: think Michael Kopak is is the reference point here in
Speaker 2: the sense that like you know, maybe he'll be injured
Speaker 2: most of the time, maybe whatever, but like they got
Speaker 2: some they got the high leverage.
Speaker 3: Again, he's gonna miss a year. He's gonna have a
Speaker 3: season where he pitches to a five E r A
Speaker 3: and gets optioned a bunch and then he's gonna close
Speaker 3: out the last eight outs of a World Series. Like
Speaker 3: it's gonna be like the most like Dodgers outcome possible.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean he doesn't He has a fastball
Speaker 2: and not much else. Yeah, well but they also they
Speaker 2: ran this.
Speaker 1: He did just play with Jake McGee.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, it's a really good fastball, and I think
Speaker 3: they can give him a hard slide. I mean, he's
Speaker 3: still a hard slider before he could be he could
Speaker 3: be like very easily. Yeah, and with surprise.
Speaker 1: There are things to six.
Speaker 3: And it like Franco wasn't going to pitch for them
Speaker 3: between the injuries and the loss of control and whatever else, and.
Speaker 2: Like K's like they're they also, I mean the other
Speaker 2: part of the prospect, didn't they They had to like
Speaker 2: d f a frosso and then yeah yeah, so like
Speaker 2: I don't know, like he was available for free right.
Speaker 1: At one point.
Speaker 2: From the Dodgers' perspective, it's kind of like, okay.
Speaker 3: Well they had to clear the forty man spots, so
Speaker 3: they've traded Seth Howerson to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so we'll you know, we'll see. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: agree with I agree with both of you. Like this
Speaker 2: has just the vibes of getting away with.
Speaker 3: It, right, Like for the Dodgers just turned into nothing.
Speaker 3: It is like for the Dodgers is probably going to
Speaker 3: be a small loss or a big win, which means
Speaker 3: for the Rockies.
Speaker 2: Right in other hard throwing relievers, Nate Pearson is a royal?
Speaker 1: Should I rip this up? I just didn't feel like writing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I don't think you he's just he's on
Speaker 3: the he's on the track. Now right, it's Royals and
Speaker 3: then it's going to be either Rockies or Marlins.
Speaker 2: The real question is, did did you know where Nate
Speaker 2: Pearson was prior to this trade?
Speaker 3: I think we talked about him. We're doing various Astros things.
Speaker 2: Over the season we had but like generally speak.
Speaker 3: Generally speaking, now, I just.
Speaker 2: He was still in the clubs and I would have
Speaker 2: been with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember seeing something about like half the Astros
Speaker 1: guaranteed contracts this season this offseason had been released.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now what are the Royals exactly doing with the
Speaker 2: Nate Pearson.
Speaker 3: He throws hard?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they have room room and you have
Speaker 1: Seth Alverson at home.
Speaker 3: Seth Alverson at home.
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes you just need new people to boo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the episode.
Speaker 2: Speaking of guys who threw a hard show. Tommy throws
Speaker 2: a bullpen again, he's not he's not pitching for the
Speaker 2: moment because of his knee. I'm assuming it was successful.
Speaker 1: The Dodgers are encouraged.
Speaker 3: Okay, great, they don't even know until the playoffs, so man,
Speaker 3: he's on he's on track to pitch for the playoffs.
Speaker 3: Then Carlos Carrasco not not back with Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Not bad with Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Patrick.
Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, so I guess, I you know, so he
Speaker 1: has been released and acquired by the Braves seven times
Speaker 1: in the pass calendar year. But I guess at this point, uh,
Speaker 1: there are just too many people ahead of him on
Speaker 1: the pecking order, like Smith Shover's back, I think, uh
Speaker 1: Strider's back, and he just you had who was the
Speaker 1: other one that was being shuttled with him? It was regardless,
Speaker 1: It like you could get the same Jared. Yeah, who
Speaker 1: I may not be as good as Carls Grascow, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I certainly more worth checking out at this point.
Speaker 1: So Crasco basically decided that maybe the gravy train, the slow,
Speaker 1: terribly crowded gravy train that he has been on u
Speaker 1: has come to an end. So he has signed with
Speaker 1: the LG Twins. The Twins are in third place in
Speaker 1: the KBO right now. There are three games back of
Speaker 1: first place where they were yesterday when I checked, Which is,
Speaker 1: you know, close enough like LG did win it all
Speaker 1: last year, they're close enough to be contending and so
Speaker 1: we might. I was trying to think about this, is
Speaker 1: this the first time we have a chance at a
Speaker 1: player getting two championship rings in the same season. We
Speaker 1: always talk about the guys who would get a ring
Speaker 1: no matter what because they're on both. Yes, your tailored trails,
Speaker 1: unless there's I mean, I don't want to count like
Speaker 1: winter leagues because then anybody could do that, right, But
Speaker 1: has there any Has there been anybody playing in two
Speaker 1: different summer leagues in two different countries that got championship
Speaker 1: rings for both?
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably be like a Mexican league.
Speaker 1: The Mexican League is the one that felt like the
Speaker 1: most likely.
Speaker 3: That the Nationals were still bad when they had jeffet Amaturs.
Speaker 1: Never mind. Yeah, I don't think anyone's ever done it
Speaker 1: in an Asian league. Yeah, because most of the time,
Speaker 1: coming over midseason is rare. Although for the KBO it
Speaker 1: feels like it's happening more, mostly because I think more
Speaker 1: players are willing to do it. I don't feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of people would have taken three hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty thousand dollars to fly to Korea for two months
Speaker 1: ten years ago. I will, I'll do it. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, but also I think that like the KBO
Speaker 1: was also better at cars.
Speaker 3: Also just like strikes me as a guy that's just
Speaker 3: gonna keep pitching as long as something will pay him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I could see him the CPB on next year, yeah, right.
Speaker 3: Like that, or like the Ice Crene League, or he's
Speaker 3: gonna he's gonna pay forty forty you're gonna pitch winter
Speaker 3: ball to him, and Rahadamus Liz are going to pitch
Speaker 3: winter ball to they're like forty five dueling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, good friend.
Speaker 2: Okay, they are different ages, right are they the same?
Speaker 1: Age?
Speaker 2: Is Redonis Liz that old?
Speaker 3: They might be? Well check out they were projected about.
Speaker 3: Let's look at this they were pected.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's just because he never made it, Like Wheredonmis
Speaker 2: Liz feels younger.
Speaker 1: Liz is forty two.
Speaker 3: Now he's at all lots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Redonmis Liz is forty two.
Speaker 1: I mean he debuted in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 3: Oh but that I mean Carrasco thousand and nine and.
Speaker 1: He's still pitching. He's got a four to seven eight
Speaker 1: year Oh.
Speaker 3: He's definitely still pitching.
Speaker 1: That was again, yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, some people again like he just he
Speaker 2: left my consciousness and like I just never updated. And
Speaker 2: also like two thousand and seven and twenty twelve are
Speaker 2: the same.
Speaker 3: Me sure?
Speaker 2: All right? Uh. Lastly, Garrett, speaking of of being back
Speaker 2: for the playoffs, Jeff Garrett Crochet plans to be back
Speaker 2: by the playoffs, okay, which the.
Speaker 1: Red Sox now might be a factor into.
Speaker 3: We do have one little bit of breaking news that
Speaker 3: well we hadn't mentioned on the pod. I wouldn't have
Speaker 3: brought it up because it's not that important. But Patrick
Speaker 3: Corbyn will not finish the year as the I mean
Speaker 3: the third most starts on the Jays. He is at
Speaker 3: the Ayah where they left terrace major strain.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. That's tough.
Speaker 2: That's like your shoulder slash o bleak area, right, I believe.
Speaker 3: It's like not it's your lap, but not your lap.
Speaker 1: On that note, we'll go to our game, all right.
Speaker 1: Let's uh, let's bring it down a little bit. I know,
Speaker 1: last last time.
Speaker 2: I got I got a message, I got a message
Speaker 2: that said, like you had a full meltdown, you a
Speaker 2: full meltdown, and this is I don't want to say
Speaker 2: to people, but this person loved it. So we're gonna
Speaker 2: my My argument back, by the way, was just that
Speaker 2: I really what what when I felt I really really lost.
Speaker 2: It was when you started taunting me about the score. No,
Speaker 2: you didn't, just it wasn't It wasn't an outward taunt.
Speaker 2: It was just updating the score. Look, it's an audio medium,
Speaker 2: and there's note we can't.
Speaker 1: We don't have a question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you got your egg timer. It only comes
Speaker 2: up when I'm trailing and have no prayer and you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look I learned for the best, you know, Red Barber. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, So this is the seventh fifty club. We
Speaker 1: haven't played this in one So just to remind the listeners,
Speaker 1: I'm going to name off twelve players and you're gonna
Speaker 1: me if their career OPS is above or below seven
Speaker 1: to fifty?
Speaker 2: Are any of them active? Y? You want to bring
Speaker 2: you want to bring down the temperature with this game.
Speaker 2: If you say andres is to me, I'm walking away.
Speaker 2: Oh it's not even He's not even close. Its first
Speaker 2: of all, that was seven hundred.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: By the way, he's not close to seven hundred anymore either.
Speaker 1: There are a few vindicated There are a few active
Speaker 1: players on this list, So beware, all right, you'll both
Speaker 1: I don't care you guys can take turns going first
Speaker 1: on this. Uh, the first one is Jimmy Rawlins. Mm hmm, Greig,
Speaker 1: what do.
Speaker 2: You think I'm gonna I'm gonna say, yes, okay, over over,
Speaker 2: sorry over.
Speaker 3: I So he was never like a high ops titter
Speaker 3: at his peak, but he also didn't have a tike.
Speaker 3: He got traded thes and I was just pretty much done.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna stay over.
Speaker 1: It's like seven sixty, okay, so we'll go ahead and
Speaker 1: start off at zero zero because it was seven forty three.
Speaker 3: Okay, sure, longer to climb period, that's range.
Speaker 2: I just I thought all those all those he wasn't
Speaker 2: a homer guy necessarily, all those extra base hits.
Speaker 1: He did have, so it was a full year of
Speaker 1: his peak was basically until two.
Speaker 2: I just thought it was just like a relatively decent
Speaker 2: time for often but I guess a lot of that
Speaker 2: like twenty fourteen, twenty thirteen, twenty four horrible for offense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and which disguised him. Actually he had decent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had no PS plus one hundred and twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: which was seven seventeen, but he uh right, but that
Speaker 1: he had, Yeah, he hadn't been above one o four
Speaker 1: since like his twenty age twenty eight seasons so.
Speaker 3: Long, longer to climb period than I thought.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't shock me, but yeah, Jeff.
Speaker 1: Ramon Lauri.
Speaker 3: Man so the opposite of Jimmy Rowlands that it's gone
Speaker 3: off recently.
Speaker 1: Uh tough year, not real recently, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Not real recently. I like, I feel like Loreano's more
Speaker 3: of a part time player when he's bad and a
Speaker 3: full time player when he's good. So I'll say over, okay, Craig, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I just feel like he just had, like I'm gonna say,
Speaker 3: his best two seasons were like significantly better than Rowinds,
Speaker 3: I don't know, PS spaces.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he, I mean he also had a number of
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm I'm gonna say under. But this
Speaker 2: is another one to me where it wouldn't surprise me
Speaker 2: if it's over.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I'm not gonna get mad. I'm gonna say, uh,
Speaker 1: Jeff takes the lead. It is seven sixty. Loreanno's career
Speaker 1: is interesting in that his decline wasn't as bad or
Speaker 1: for as long as it feels like his ops plus
Speaker 1: year ninety eight, one eleven, ninety four, eighty nine, one
Speaker 1: oh seven, one thirty seven and now eighty three. So
Speaker 1: it did feel like forever did he suck?
Speaker 3: But it was really like just it's also like he's
Speaker 3: a corner outfielder too, so like those guys when it
Speaker 3: when those ops's rops like so hard, it's like I
Speaker 3: have a boss this guy.
Speaker 1: All right, number three, Craig your first Patrick Wisdom?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I don't for I don't want to know.
Speaker 3: I just how many plate appearances as Patrick Wisdom.
Speaker 1: This year, Marri's this year? Four?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: How many plate appearances does he have in his career?
Speaker 1: One than five hundred and seventeen?
Speaker 2: Okay, I thought there was a chance it was under
Speaker 2: one thousand he had.
Speaker 1: Basically, you're two and a half full seasons. That comes.
Speaker 3: In my head. I can't imagine I'm having a full
Speaker 3: season with an OPS over seven fifty.
Speaker 2: So this is I have my head in my hand. Yeah, listeners,
Speaker 2: this is.
Speaker 3: I like how Patrick said there'd be some players that
Speaker 3: were active, and.
Speaker 2: My problem it's it's just one of those things. He
Speaker 2: has had those obviously very very hot streaks, right, but
Speaker 2: like then he's so bad.
Speaker 3: It's very very hot streaks. His OBP is like three
Speaker 3: ten two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the slug in. I mean, like he's so
Speaker 2: bad that he then gets sent to the miners or
Speaker 2: cut immediately. I also just I've been wrong foot. I
Speaker 2: mean like I'm on the wrong foot constantly here and now.
Speaker 2: But now I don't know. Patrick's in my head already.
Speaker 2: I I can't nothing in my in my head content.
Speaker 2: I agree with like it seems like like it has
Speaker 2: to be under. But I also like, you're putting in
Speaker 2: here and I I don't know you. You've spun me around.
Speaker 2: I'm completely I'm dizzy already. I'm gonna say over fuck it.
Speaker 3: I don't know under.
Speaker 1: I'm lost.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go zero for this entire exercise, and.
Speaker 1: You're going under. Jeff, Yeah, okay, yeah he might. It's
Speaker 1: too nothing. It is under seven points. I will say
Speaker 1: Patrick more home runs.
Speaker 3: Than Jimmy Rollins.
Speaker 1: Then well no, but Jake Cronenworth, Alec Bohm, c j Abrams,
Speaker 1: Kerry Carpenter, he has eighty nine career what does.
Speaker 3: He actually hit for the Mariners this year?
Speaker 1: Out of curious he has hit very badly for the Mariners.
Speaker 1: He won at the single home run. It's it's amazing
Speaker 1: that he is was in baseball this year. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: he's been bad.
Speaker 3: Would rather have Ham or Buddy Kennedy.
Speaker 2: Though he hit twenty eight career runs, what was his
Speaker 2: career number?
Speaker 1: Seven forty? Okay, all right, next one, Jeff your first
Speaker 1: masta take Yashida.
Speaker 3: I've actually looked at his I don't I don't know
Speaker 3: he's doing this year for the problem, but he's like
Speaker 3: exactly like a one oh eight ops guy and Fenway.
Speaker 1: A lot of OBP generally speaking.
Speaker 3: I think that's enough to get him over seven fifty.
Speaker 3: Say over. I don't feel great about it. Okay, it's
Speaker 3: also possibly is like a six forty this year that's
Speaker 3: knocked him under. But I'm not going to complain about it,
Speaker 3: like Craig with andres Semennez.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna my My issue with not with Andrew
Speaker 2: Simenaz was not what he had done on the season.
Speaker 1: It was the night before. I didn't even think that
Speaker 1: game like your grand would be more.
Speaker 3: Legitimate, Jo Capiro gamesmanship here.
Speaker 2: Would be more legitimate if what I wasn't the one
Speaker 2: who put him that is in the game.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 1: It was me.
Speaker 3: He just went back and looked up that.
Speaker 2: I just that was the problem.
Speaker 1: The problem was opening someone's fat. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, it's like on Jeopardy, you're allowed to like the
Speaker 3: they're allowed to go back and change the like change
Speaker 3: the answer for Jeopardy in the commercial break, just.
Speaker 1: Shut your mouth past would you like, Craig, would you
Speaker 1: like to say that you must have talked? She is
Speaker 1: above or below? Hello? All right, well it's three nothing
Speaker 1: that she has a seven fifty eight. He's done quite,
Speaker 1: he's fun fine. This year he has a career one
Speaker 1: on nine E P bus and is this year it's we.
Speaker 2: Don't have to update the score after everything.
Speaker 1: Okay, Uh BJ Sirhoff, Craig, your first.
Speaker 3: I had so many BJ sir Hoff baseball cards.
Speaker 1: You sure did, because he was around forever.
Speaker 2: Also, like he had like a really good years in Oriole,
Speaker 2: which I was, he did exposed to a lot as
Speaker 2: a Maryland Marylander. And like, I don't know if that's
Speaker 2: completely skewed my recollection of his entire I don't go
Speaker 2: look at his entire career. Yeah, so in my head
Speaker 2: it's over. But boy, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Uh sure, I'll go over whatever, Okay, Jeff.
Speaker 3: I'm going to default to the my role for late
Speaker 3: eighties early nineties catchers and just stay under Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's it's easy to remember. Forget how long he caught, yeah,
Speaker 1: because nobody brings him up as one of the catcher
Speaker 1: conversions along Craig Beg You. But he was a primary
Speaker 1: catcher for like six years and he he hit like yeah,
Speaker 1: uh he was good at an oriole. He was good
Speaker 1: in the middle of his career, but very very long. Uh,
Speaker 1: yeah he was.
Speaker 2: And I knew he was bad after Like, but you know,
Speaker 2: I have no I had no idea, all right, Jeff
Speaker 2: Jeff Blauser.
Speaker 3: You know again a guy I definitely watched play for
Speaker 3: those Braves teams and young. I feel like I don't
Speaker 3: know anything about Jeff Blauser, like like nothing, like no
Speaker 3: cremated me about Jeff Blauser. I don't even know what
Speaker 3: kind of hitter he was. I don't think a very
Speaker 3: good one. But he also had like I think he
Speaker 3: had like the weird clutch gene or whatever. I think
Speaker 3: we remember that people saying that about him. I will say, Jeff,
Speaker 3: I will say.
Speaker 1: Under ours, Okay, I was confusing. You said which Jeff,
Speaker 1: Jeff Flaser? He said, under this is the Braves.
Speaker 2: Then I'm gonna say over, I don't. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know, but I might as well try it, and
Speaker 2: it's a wise choice. You're on the board.
Speaker 1: Jeff Blauser is surprisingly could here.
Speaker 3: I would have said, I just like he struck me
Speaker 3: like it was like a good OBP guy. Yeah, really
Speaker 3: good for Jeff Blauser. Jeff Blauser, And I.
Speaker 2: Would have said under if I was going for, I
Speaker 2: just took the opposite.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Next one, Craig Stephen Drew. Oh, imagine.
Speaker 3: Stephen. Stephen Drew is like the perfect seven fifty club guy.
Speaker 3: I don't know who the perfect seven hundred club guy is,
Speaker 3: maybe Willie Bloomquist, but like I think Stephen Drew.
Speaker 1: Is, yeah, not no more.
Speaker 3: All right, I'm gonna introduce in there.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna take this is again. I've I've I've
Speaker 2: basically thrown in the towel. This is I'm taking under
Speaker 2: on my vibes of Stephen Drew just being largely very disappointed.
Speaker 2: I understand that the context of the era, and I
Speaker 2: know he had some good seasons, but like I I
Speaker 2: kind of remember people being like, oh Stephen, you know,
Speaker 2: Stephen Drew having a good year, and I look at
Speaker 2: the slash line and be like, this doesn't seem that good.
Speaker 3: Remember, he and Michael Bourne were the two big free
Speaker 3: like free agents se Mets were linked to that one
Speaker 3: off season. Liked Michael Bourne, I like, I like in
Speaker 3: my head, Stephen Drew had like one random, like eight
Speaker 3: eighty ops season for the Diamondbacks in there, and then
Speaker 3: she's just a question of did he play enough around
Speaker 3: it to drag that under seven to fifty. I think
Speaker 3: he did, so I'm gonna go under.
Speaker 1: All right, you're both correct at seven forty one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a few, like I remember, I see,
Speaker 2: I feel like even his good seasons were like eight hundred.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had a couple of eight thirties. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: he had a very good season with the Nats in
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. It was only one hundred and forty three
Speaker 1: played appearances, but we all remember to sixty six three
Speaker 1: thirty nine four in small a short sample. But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: not for good, all right, Jeff Typhrance, this is the
Speaker 1: honestly he might see the seven fifty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is like the most like two ninety obp
Speaker 3: four to fifty slid guy possible. And it's just like
Speaker 3: what's the what's the thousand steps of all there?
Speaker 1: He or not.
Speaker 3: He's been good. I'm gonna he's been good enough to
Speaker 3: this year. I think he's I think he's like just over,
Speaker 3: he's gone back.
Speaker 1: Over, right, Craig.
Speaker 3: All right, if Craig, if Craig gets us right, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna double check it immediately on baseball references he played yesterday.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm just gonna take I'm gonna I should just
Speaker 2: be opposite Jeff at every opportunity.
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna take the under I could. All right, Craig,
Speaker 1: again your strates to prove correct. Even though France has
Speaker 1: been excellent. This here, his ope ops is seven forty five.
Speaker 1: Because it's been a while since home runs over. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I I what is the.
Speaker 3: Current out of curiosity? What is the current career OBP
Speaker 3: and slug.
Speaker 1: It's his line is two sixty three three thirty.
Speaker 3: Four, fourth higher OBP than I would have guessed. He
Speaker 3: has not he's not been that guy for a while,
Speaker 3: in a couple of years.
Speaker 1: All right, So Craig, you were It's currently three to five,
Speaker 1: so you're still in it. There are four left. Uh
Speaker 1: you're first, though, and this one is going to be
Speaker 1: Jason Kendall.
Speaker 3: Wow, Jesus, I have to break my early nineties catch.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say the catcher just laid down a
Speaker 2: nice little maximum for catchers.
Speaker 3: But what was an offense first catcher?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 2: He wasn't like he.
Speaker 3: Played the field in the Yes, yes, he did not
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go under.
Speaker 3: He feels like another good parameter. Heels like it's a
Speaker 3: three eighty OBP three seventy slug Like it's kind of
Speaker 3: like Jason Kendall.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's a good one. That's a good one.
Speaker 3: If he had like a recently long decline period though,
Speaker 3: or yeah, people just kept.
Speaker 2: Played a long time he had played, especially after the
Speaker 2: ankle injury too.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna stay under.
Speaker 1: Okay, you're both correct. It is uh seven forty four.
Speaker 1: Uh So Jason Kendall as a pirate in his career,
Speaker 1: slashed three oh six, three eighty seven four eighteen for
Speaker 1: an eight oh five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was really good.
Speaker 1: Oy uh after period Brewers, he was with the he
Speaker 1: was with the Athletics, Cubs, Brewers, and Royals. Let me
Speaker 1: reload and calculate his post Pittsburgh Ops gonna be His
Speaker 1: line was two sixty three thirty three, three eighteen for
Speaker 1: a six fifty one.
Speaker 3: Didn't have like ankle the ankle issues.
Speaker 2: That was yeasty play break yeah, all right, three to go,
Speaker 2: h Jeff your first.
Speaker 1: Willie Thomas.
Speaker 3: Another one that could be shame and it's going to
Speaker 3: arm from over to under for.
Speaker 1: The fourth time. This ye this game.
Speaker 2: This might be the seven bad.
Speaker 3: He won't be in a few years, but right now
Speaker 3: he might be. Ah, man, I'm gonna say over, Okay, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I guess I should just say on.
Speaker 1: You should, but it's wrong in this case. That's fine,
Speaker 1: that's way. Yeah fifty seven, last two years been seven
Speaker 1: forty and seven twelve. So he's dragging it down, but
Speaker 1: not that enough.
Speaker 2: I think I would have said over if I was
Speaker 2: going first.
Speaker 1: But that's that. That's a type one, all right. Craig
Speaker 1: Garrett Cooper.
Speaker 3: Does he have a thousand plate appearances?
Speaker 1: One thousand nine?
Speaker 2: Me about wes Helms next, Hooper, what do you think
Speaker 2: for West Elms?
Speaker 3: There's no way Garrett Hooper has two thousand plates.
Speaker 1: I know he does. West Alms are three thousand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do I think about wes Helens?
Speaker 1: I think under.
Speaker 2: I guess for well Helms, Yeah, you'd be seven twenty
Speaker 2: get a bonus one. Garrett Cooper. I guess, Garrett Cooper.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: You're doing over no no, no under on the letter.
Speaker 3: Okay, I actually think it might be over. I might
Speaker 3: be letting Craig back in, but.
Speaker 1: All right, uh no, you're not because Gary Cooper has
Speaker 1: an ope.
Speaker 3: My argument was basically, once he told me his two
Speaker 3: thousand plate appearances, like he had to be good enough
Speaker 3: to like, you're just not employing Gary Cooper if he's
Speaker 3: under that seven fifty. He also like, why would you
Speaker 3: yeah short.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, he only like and he was fine.
Speaker 2: For That's how I felt about Patrick Wiz is.
Speaker 3: Also a platoon guy too, so that's why he's not
Speaker 3: like really facing yep, yeah, all.
Speaker 1: Right, and then finally, uh.
Speaker 3: Am I going first? Ye first under. He had the
Speaker 3: great season and then he was which was like I think.
Speaker 2: I was like, it doesn't it doesn't matter. I guess
Speaker 2: it doesn't. Yeah, I'm gonna go under.
Speaker 1: Also, all right, you're both incorrect. It is seven really, yeah,
Speaker 1: he just and even his good year, his All Star year,
Speaker 1: was one of the lowest ops's of his career. Really
Speaker 1: he had a seven thirty eight his rookie season went
Speaker 1: up to seven ninety six eight h nine seven, And
Speaker 1: they think a.
Speaker 3: Great first half that year? Is that what that was?
Speaker 1: And then he thinks, so, I think, so, let's see
Speaker 1: games split.
Speaker 3: More than I thought.
Speaker 1: First half of two thousand and eight. Yeah, he had
Speaker 1: seven ninety one ops in the first half and a
Speaker 1: six thirty nine and second half.
Speaker 3: Now, but whatever, All.
Speaker 1: Star games are done, they should do him in the
Speaker 1: end of the year.
Speaker 2: Whatever we we got called old man yelling at a cloud.
Speaker 1: Everything about the Ulstar game is also done. But the
Speaker 1: Alstar game itself, in the voting system is done. They
Speaker 1: should usually like, all right, keep the game there, fine
Speaker 1: the game. It's a good location for a game. The
Speaker 1: break is good. I like the idea of the break.
Speaker 1: Make an award system, like, don't don't use all.
Speaker 2: It should be last year's full year All Stars.
Speaker 3: That's an interesting way to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, pull you know, and then pull Justin Burley.
Speaker 1: Imagine pulling Justin Burle and out of retirement six months
Speaker 1: from the nine months from now to be like, hey, Bud,
Speaker 1: it's an exhibition.
Speaker 3: I mean you then still do him you can still
Speaker 3: like the commissioner's pick whatever, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's an exhibition.
Speaker 1: Why not.
Speaker 2: I think that would be fun.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: He'd have to start like warming up three months in advance.
Speaker 1: Come on, congratulations, Jeff, you win? Yes, four congratulations Jeff
Speaker 1: uh thank you.
Speaker 3: I couldn't have done it without the support of Andre Samenez.
Speaker 1: It's always there watching.
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