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True Murder with your host, 30 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:37.319 journalist and author Dan Zupansky. 31 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:49.920 Good Evening, This is your host Dan Zupanski for the 32 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:53.120 program True Murder, The most shocking Killers in true crime 33 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:56.959 History and the authors that have written about them. Where 34 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:01.040 was Sandra? Across the country? Parents watched with growing panic 35 00:02:01.519 --> 00:02:04.319 as the surveillance video was replayed on the evening news, 36 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:07.719 a young girl in black leggings and a Hello Kitty 37 00:02:07.799 --> 00:02:11.680 t shirt skipping alone through the mobile home park park 38 00:02:11.719 --> 00:02:15.719 where she lived. Her bouncing steps carried her quickly across 39 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:18.800 the screen and beyond the camera's view. Just two weeks 40 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:24.840 after she celebrated her eighth birthday, Sandra Cantu disappeared. Within days. 41 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:29.120 Panic gave way to horror when investigators report that Sandra's neighbor, 42 00:02:29.439 --> 00:02:32.439 twenty eight year old Melissa Huckabee had been arrested in 43 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:34.919 charge with the rape and murder of the young girl. 44 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:39.439 Sandra's death at the hands of a trusted adult female 45 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:43.319 sent a powerful message to parents everywhere. The days of 46 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:47.199 warning against stranger danger are long gone, having been replaced 47 00:02:47.199 --> 00:02:50.719 by an even darker era where stereotypes no longer exist 48 00:02:52.039 --> 00:02:57.159 and families can never be sure who exactly to trust. 49 00:02:57.360 --> 00:03:00.520 The book that we're profiling this evening is Searching for Sandra, 50 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:05.280 the Story behind the Disappearance of Sandra Cantu, with my 51 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:10.439 special guest, journalist and author Stacy Dietrich. Welcome to the program, 52 00:03:10.479 --> 00:03:15.280 and thank you for agreeing to this interview. Stacy Dietrich, Hi, Dan, 53 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:18.400 thank you so much for having me on. Well, thank 54 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:21.360 you very much. This is I've been doing this for 55 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:25.280 a little over three years now. This isn't and this 56 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:29.000 is a unique story. Even though we've probably covered everything, 57 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:32.360 this is quite unique. And I think obviously this story 58 00:03:32.479 --> 00:03:36.080 was huge in America and worldwide. Almost everybody can relate 59 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:40.800 to this, and you've brought this story home with this 60 00:03:41.199 --> 00:03:46.560 fascinating book. So let's start off with just a little bit. 61 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:49.759 I think it's important. Maybe you could tell us a 62 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:52.919 little bit about your background, because I said journalists and author, 63 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:55.319 but give us a little bit about your background that 64 00:03:56.120 --> 00:03:58.719 we will see a little bit later is very important 65 00:03:58.759 --> 00:03:59.800 to this. 66 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:06.199 Well. Actually, Van, I've been in law enforcement for twenty 67 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:11.000 one years. I'm currently a deputy sheriff at the Richmond 68 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:15.400 County Sheriff's Office in Mansfield, Ohio. I'm a former detective 69 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:20.720 that specialized in sexual assault crimes. You know, I'm currently 70 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:25.360 on the job. This this was a story basically I 71 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:31.319 started writing about five years ago and actually started out 72 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:38.879 in fiction because of my background. Essentially, what had happened 73 00:04:38.959 --> 00:04:42.600 is when my agent was shopping you know, my fiction 74 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:46.160 series around, they were coming back and saying, oh my gosh, 75 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:49.319 she's a police officer. You know, can we get her 76 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:52.920 to do you know, these specific cases? You know, it 77 00:04:52.959 --> 00:04:56.120 would be great to be coming from an aspect of 78 00:04:56.199 --> 00:05:00.519 somebody who knows how the investigations work and and whatnot. 79 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:03.800 And that's kind of how I ended up down this path, 80 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:08.759 this particular book, the Standard Cantu case. What had happened 81 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:12.839 is I had wrote another true crime that's actually coming 82 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:16.800 out after this one. It's called Have You Seen Me? 83 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:20.439 And it's a compilation of the nation's most prolific child 84 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:25.839 murders and abduction dating back to the eighteen hundreds. It's 85 00:05:25.879 --> 00:05:31.079 a compilation of those cases that have really changed our 86 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:35.959 laws and tightened our child abduction laws and whatnot. And 87 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:38.680 you know, I just have to touch on that because 88 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:43.240 just some crazy stuff that you know, personally I didn't 89 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:46.000 even know about, was you know, every day you hear 90 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:49.560 about child abductions and people saying, you know, this world 91 00:05:49.720 --> 00:05:53.079 is so crazy, it's not like it used to be. Well, 92 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:57.680 you know, there are cases that preceded Limberg, the Limburg 93 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:00.800 baby abduction and murder, which people say, oh, that was 94 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:03.240 the crime of the century. Well, you know, there was 95 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:07.720 actually a case thirty years prior to the Lindberg baby 96 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:12.360 abduction and murder that just put this nation at a standstill, 97 00:06:12.519 --> 00:06:17.759 and even overseas in Europe. It actually involved you know, 98 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:24.000 the circus promoter P. T. Barnum and just just amazing that, 99 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:28.000 you know, even back then, when it comes to our children, 100 00:06:29.439 --> 00:06:32.079 you know, our children are off limits no matter what. 101 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:36.199 And you know, it has been that way since the 102 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:39.439 dawn of time and it continues to be this way. 103 00:06:39.480 --> 00:06:43.519 But that particular book was was just this elevation and 104 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:49.480 escalation of all these child abduction and murders that changed laws. Well, essentially, 105 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:53.160 I had included the Sandra can suit case in that 106 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:59.600 book because it was literally deemed a statistical anomaly by 107 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:04.399 the They literally could not go back in history and 108 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:09.240 find one case where a female solely, you know, without 109 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:12.399 the aid of a boyfriend or conspiring with her boyfriend 110 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:18.920 or whatever. But a female solely abducted a child, raped her, 111 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:22.240 and brutally murdered her. They had nothing to compare this to. 112 00:07:22.519 --> 00:07:24.959 So I included that case in the book. And what 113 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:29.279 had happened is when my agents submitted the Happy semi book, 114 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:32.000 the publisher came back and said, yeah, we'll do that, 115 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:34.920 but we would like her to write an entire book 116 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:38.959 on the Can two case. At that time, the Can 117 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:42.680 two case was really gathering steam. It was, you know, 118 00:07:42.920 --> 00:07:46.319 it was bouncing off Casey Anthony. It was, you know, 119 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:51.399 constantly in the media. Melissa had been arrested, and people 120 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:54.120 just couldn't figure out. I mean, at that time, you know, 121 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:57.639 I've appeared as a consultant, you know, law enforcement analyst 122 00:07:57.720 --> 00:08:01.279 on CNN and Fox News and h and you know, 123 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:06.319 even myself at the time along with the other talking heads, 124 00:08:06.360 --> 00:08:09.480 were like, there's no way she did this by herself, 125 00:08:10.199 --> 00:08:13.000 this with boyfriend motivated. You know, maybe she had a 126 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:15.680 boyfriend that was a sex defender and she's covering for him. 127 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:19.920 You know, we were all making these outlandish excuses when 128 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:21.600 ultimately all of us were wrong. 129 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:27.839 Now let's segue back for our audience because we've revealed 130 00:08:27.839 --> 00:08:30.680 a little bit here for those that have not known 131 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:33.200 about the Sandra Cantoon. We've got fans everywhere in the world, 132 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:36.399 so their people certainly have been listening, and so they 133 00:08:36.399 --> 00:08:39.159 don't really know. So take us back and set the 134 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:45.360 stage and tell us what Tracy, California was like. And 135 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:49.360 we're just talking about two thousand and eight, and so 136 00:08:49.399 --> 00:08:53.360 we'll just go back to before December one, two thousand 137 00:08:53.399 --> 00:08:55.679 and eight. But tell us it's a population of about 138 00:08:55.720 --> 00:09:00.000 eighty thousand according to the records. Tell us sixty miles 139 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:05.399 east of I believe of San Francisco. Tell us about Tracy, California. 140 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:08.200 What kind of community is it, what's it known for, 141 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:12.120 what's it typically feel like? Set the sort of stage 142 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:12.879 for us for this. 143 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:18.679 Please, well, I was you know, I had I guess 144 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:22.639 a different picture of Tracy before I got there. You 145 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:26.399 look at a town of eighty thousand people, which is 146 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:30.679 pretty significant, you know, of a suburb. It's actually a 147 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:35.360 suburb of Stockton, California, which we've just recently seen in 148 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:37.440 the news that is the first city in the country 149 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:44.039 to file bankruptcy. But Tracy is extremely different than Stockton. 150 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:47.559 You know, I expected a bigger city feel, where in fact, 151 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:51.039 you know, you know, we will staying in San Francisco 152 00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:54.080 and drove an hour east into the Central Valley, so 153 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:59.840 it's just, you know, nothing but brown hills and windmills 154 00:09:59.840 --> 00:10:03.480 and then you finally come into like civilization again, and 155 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:08.360 here's Tracy, and it really has this small town feel 156 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:12.960 to it. And I didn't expect that with a city 157 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:16.279 that had a population of that, but it really is 158 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:23.759 a very quiet, small town feel. They just had a 159 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:26.840 brand new police chief come in and I think Chief 160 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:31.440 Season was a police chief somewhere in Kansas and had 161 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:37.000 only been the chief of police in Tracy just a 162 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:42.000 few short months before Sandraw Cantu was kidnapped. And you know, 163 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:47.639 Tracy was a very quiet community. You know, they definitely 164 00:10:47.679 --> 00:10:50.519 have their share of crime, but for the most part, 165 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:55.320 nothing significant. And in the months leading up to the 166 00:10:55.399 --> 00:10:59.159 disappearance of Sandra Cantwo. They took a one two three 167 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:03.399 punch like no department in the world could ever prepare 168 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:05.039 them for sure. 169 00:11:06.639 --> 00:11:09.440 So what happened on December first, two thousand and eight 170 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:13.440 to shake up the police just for the beginning, just 171 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:19.200 the beginning of some really very dark days, and tells 172 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:22.679 about what happened on December first, two thousand and eight 173 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:26.440 the Shackled Boy, Yes, the Shackled Boy case. 174 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:34.039 Essentially, and we saw that that was a high profile 175 00:11:34.840 --> 00:11:37.039 you know, that appeared on the news, but he was 176 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:40.080 kind of scratching their head. And when it happened is 177 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:43.600 a local fitness gyms. You know, they're going about their 178 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:48.240 day to day operations and out of the blue, this 179 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:51.480 boy that they thought was like ten years old comes 180 00:11:51.600 --> 00:11:58.039 running in there, completely amaziated, and he's got shackles, he's 181 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:02.919 in his underwear, he's filthy, handcuffs and shackles on him 182 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:08.000 and he runs into this gym screaming for fault. And 183 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:11.759 what had happened ultimately is he was older than that, 184 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:15.039 but due to the emaciation, you know, these people thought 185 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:20.440 this was was a little boy, and through Tracy's investigative efforts, 186 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:28.320 they tracked where this boy was being held. I'm sorry, Dan, 187 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:36.080 I'm trying to get my foggy memory back. Basically was 188 00:12:36.919 --> 00:12:39.480 my own book, but I think believe he was a runaway. 189 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:41.200 But he was picked up by a couple on the 190 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:44.360 highway and they essentially went back and helped him captive 191 00:12:44.440 --> 00:12:50.879 and tortured and starved this kid for months. And you know, 192 00:12:51.080 --> 00:12:55.200 the Tracy Police department obviously just just couldn't even believe 193 00:12:55.240 --> 00:12:57.519 the story. They were like, no, this doesn't happen here. 194 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:02.480 And when they eventually located the home that he had 195 00:13:02.519 --> 00:13:06.840 been held in, and the conditions were just utterly ranted. 196 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:11.200 They just had never up until that point for them, 197 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:14.799 they just had never seen anything like that. It was 198 00:13:14.840 --> 00:13:16.519 a really horrific case. 199 00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:22.360 Yeah, it was Michael Luther Schumacher and his wife Kelly 200 00:13:23.720 --> 00:13:28.360 Lane Low thirteen counts. They starved him, forced him to 201 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:34.039 drink alcohol, do drugs, beat him with belts and baseball bats, 202 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:36.639 and stabbed him and burned him and shackled him to 203 00:13:36.720 --> 00:13:40.759 a fireplace for eighteen months. Now, this is very very unusual. 204 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:43.399 This is not typical for anywhere. So this is an 205 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:47.679 amazing story. And just when that's not just December two 206 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:52.679 thousand and eight. And then we have in March again 207 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:56.679 something that really close to home as a law enforcement person, 208 00:13:57.759 --> 00:14:00.639 tell us about and tell us and introduced to Tony 209 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:04.720 Sheneman too, because he's very central figure in this as well. Wow, 210 00:14:04.720 --> 00:14:10.080 he is an internal affairs, investigation and media media relations, 211 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:11.320 so tell us about him please. 212 00:14:12.039 --> 00:14:18.080 He is and he is no less than an amazing, 213 00:14:18.440 --> 00:14:22.000 amazing person. And you know, I just want to throw 214 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:24.279 out there that the Tradesy Police Department in the San 215 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:28.799 Joaquin District Attorney's Office is really one of the most 216 00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:34.919 impeccable law enforcement agencies I have ever come across. They. 217 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:38.720 You know, I can't speak highly enough. They were so 218 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:43.879 cooperative with me. They are so professional, they are so thorough, 219 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:48.320 and they're extremely good at what they do, you know. 220 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:51.399 And I've obviously dealt with many law enforcement agencies through 221 00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:54.919 my career, but I was just very intrigued by them. 222 00:14:55.039 --> 00:15:01.080 But Sergeant Sheneman is the public information officer, and you know, 223 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:03.879 we as cops, you know, we all band together every 224 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:07.399 year and do some fun stuff or whatever. And on 225 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:11.120 this particular day, they did the Polar Bear or was 226 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:14.399 it the special Olympics. Something was it. The post. 227 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:18.519 Was the polar Bear after that, and we do that. 228 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:22.919 Here which essentially to raise money for cherry. You stripped 229 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:24.840 down to your swe suit when it's cold, and you 230 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:29.440 go jump to the lake. And they he had stated, 231 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:33.320 you know, they had participated that in that for years. 232 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:36.480 Went back to their hotel room and were cold and tired, 233 00:15:38.200 --> 00:15:42.039 and their phone started ringing, and you know this this 234 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:45.840 was the night of the Oakland police murders where basically 235 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:50.399 four Oakland police officers lost their lives from a rope shooter, 236 00:15:51.840 --> 00:15:55.360 which is that time, this is of course, prior to 237 00:15:55.440 --> 00:16:00.399 Christopher Dorner, was the largest mass shooting of police officers 238 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:06.000 in California history. And they immediately packed their bags and 239 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:09.600 fled back to Tracy because you know a lot of 240 00:16:10.600 --> 00:16:14.639 you know police officers you know in San Francisco, Bay Area, 241 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:19.120 Oakland and whatever, and it's no different here, you know, 242 00:16:19.159 --> 00:16:22.159 in the Columbus Cincinnati area. Those the cities are expensive, 243 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:26.279 cities are expensive to live in, and cops, you know, 244 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:30.559 notoriously do not make a lot of money. So police 245 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:35.000 officers tend to go to you know, outer suburbs as 246 00:16:35.080 --> 00:16:38.120 much as an hour hour and a half away to 247 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:41.080 make the lifestyle that they can you know, keep up with. 248 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:47.639 So one of the slain Oakland officers was Sergeant Mark Dunakan, 249 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:52.639 who happened to be a neighbor of Sergeant Showmen, and 250 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:57.679 you know he was devastated. You know, they had coached 251 00:16:57.879 --> 00:17:02.480 soccer together with their kids and whenever, so, uh start 252 00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:06.640 at Sheneman was was a big part in planning Sergeant 253 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:11.920 Dunagan's funeral. You know, they have this huge procession from 254 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:14.880 Oakland to Tracy, which, like I said, is about an hour. 255 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:19.400 And the irony of this whole thing is you've got 256 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:24.279 the shackle boy and on the day of Sergeant Mark 257 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:28.960 Dunakan's funeral, you know, you've got half the city of 258 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:35.039 Tracy lining the streets to the Tracy Mausoleum for this huge, 259 00:17:35.599 --> 00:17:42.400 huge funeral procession of this plane officer. It was literally 260 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:47.519 during the time of Sergeant Dunakan's funeral is the same 261 00:17:47.599 --> 00:17:50.799 day and time that Sandra Cantu was taken. 262 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:56.960 Now you say, it was around four pm that afternoon. 263 00:17:57.000 --> 00:18:00.480 So while the city is lined up, while this sad 264 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:06.880 chapter in Tracy history is unfolding and not unfolding, it's 265 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:13.680 this as a funeral and the memorial. Sandra Canto, just 266 00:18:13.720 --> 00:18:18.359 a little past eight years old, is playing with friends 267 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:21.920 in the mobile park she had. She was obedient girl 268 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:24.359 and the rule was not to go outside the mobile park. 269 00:18:24.400 --> 00:18:27.279 But she had told her mother, Maria Chavez, that she 270 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:29.480 was going to go to a neighbor's house. 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She's living with quite a few family members. 297 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:50.960 Tell us a little bit about Sandrakcantoo and her family 298 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:53.720 and what was going on that day. 299 00:19:54.200 --> 00:19:57.319 Well, typically, you know, Standard lived with her grandparents, her mother, 300 00:19:57.400 --> 00:20:00.200 and her brothers and sisters in a trailer park which 301 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:05.319 literally literally is a stone's throw from the mausoleum which 302 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:12.039 is where Sergeant Dunakan was interred and ultimately Sandra herself. 303 00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:16.039 She could have walked to the front of the trailer 304 00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:21.319 park and literally probably watched this procession go down. But 305 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:27.359 on that particular day, Sandra, her grandfather typically picked her 306 00:20:27.400 --> 00:20:30.359 up from school, which wasn't far away. On that day, 307 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:34.960 she came home she had a snack of macaronie cheese, 308 00:20:35.079 --> 00:20:40.200 which I believe is very significant. And Sandra was known 309 00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:45.799 in the park as being a very outgoing, friendly little girl. 310 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:48.480 People would comment that, you know, they'd be out doing 311 00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:53.000 yartwork and Sandra would come skipping along and be like, oh, 312 00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:55.480 you know, can I help you water your plants or 313 00:20:56.079 --> 00:20:59.680 do this? And I hate to say that there was 314 00:20:59.720 --> 00:21:02.960 all almost a sadness to it, but that was relayed 315 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:05.839 to me from some people that they felt that, you know, 316 00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:08.720 being there were so many family members in the trailer 317 00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:13.119 that Sandra just wanted to get out and you know, 318 00:21:13.960 --> 00:21:20.000 talk to people and be social with people. And ultimately, 319 00:21:20.279 --> 00:21:24.680 as they're nearing the mausoleum to Bury Sergeant Dune again 320 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:29.720 is when the video of Sandra skipping down the street 321 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:36.599 was shot. And that's significant because Sandra's grandfather, they had 322 00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:40.599 had some issues with vandalism or whatnot, so he hadn't 323 00:21:40.599 --> 00:21:45.960 installed surveillance cameras on the front of their trailer. The 324 00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:50.680 last thing we see of Sandra is she is literally 325 00:21:50.799 --> 00:21:55.160 smiling and she's skipping down her road right in front 326 00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:59.119 of her own home as if she's going home. And 327 00:21:59.240 --> 00:22:03.759 then to the right something distracts her and she years 328 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:06.759 off to the right and leaves the frame, and obviously 329 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:10.400 to the right is Melissa Huckabee's trailer. Melissa Huxby livery 330 00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:11.119 across the street. 331 00:22:12.920 --> 00:22:19.079 Yeah, now, tell us about Melissa Huckabee. This is an 332 00:22:19.079 --> 00:22:24.279 interesting background as well. There's her grandparents. She lives with 333 00:22:24.319 --> 00:22:28.359 her grandparents as well. Tell us about the religious connection 334 00:22:28.519 --> 00:22:31.920 here in the church. Tell us about Melissa Huckabee. She's 335 00:22:32.599 --> 00:22:35.079 at that age at that time, twenty six. I believe 336 00:22:35.079 --> 00:22:36.599 her twenty six. 337 00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:42.799 I think she's twenty eight. But yeah, Melissa lived with 338 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:47.400 her grandparents, who her grandfather happened to be a pastor 339 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:52.519 at a Baptist church which literally sat next door to 340 00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:58.079 the trailer park. And Melissa didn't have a job, but 341 00:22:58.480 --> 00:23:01.680 frequently went, you know, to the church on Sundays and 342 00:23:01.720 --> 00:23:05.039 taught the kids for Sunday School. Her daughter was five 343 00:23:05.119 --> 00:23:08.480 at the time of the murder. And Melissa had a really, 344 00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:14.359 really shaky history up until then. She was, you know, 345 00:23:14.599 --> 00:23:22.079 constantly getting fired from jobs. She was having huge relationship problems. 346 00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:25.799 Whenever she would tend to date a man, she would 347 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:31.079 ultimately file a civil protection order claiming he was abusing her. 348 00:23:31.480 --> 00:23:36.440 She had actually gone into criminal justice and did a 349 00:23:36.599 --> 00:23:42.599 ride along with the Tracy Police Department. So that's pretty ironic. Yes, 350 00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:47.160 she was a suspect in an arson down in Orange 351 00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:51.559 County where she has lived. And something really significant to 352 00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:57.079 me that the investigating detective Tim Bauer said was that 353 00:23:57.680 --> 00:24:02.279 Melissa could not and would not be in a three 354 00:24:02.359 --> 00:24:07.000 party relationship. She would not do it. If she dated 355 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:09.000 a guy and he had the best friend that he 356 00:24:09.079 --> 00:24:12.039 hung out with, you know, she would put the kebash 357 00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:17.519 on that. If it didn't go her way, then she 358 00:24:17.559 --> 00:24:22.319 would start causing problems and founding restraining orders. And you 359 00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:26.599 know her ex husband with even their own child, Johnny Huckabee, 360 00:24:27.200 --> 00:24:30.640 she didn't like the attention given to their own daughter, Madison, 361 00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:36.160 and just just very strange, you know. Like I said, 362 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:40.400 she accused the police officer of raving her, which turned 363 00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:44.839 out to be completely unfounded. Melissa had to be the 364 00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:49.720 center of attention in any circumstance that she was in, 365 00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:54.839 whether work, whether the trailer park, no matter what, it 366 00:24:55.000 --> 00:25:00.720 had to be about Melissa, and you know if it wasn't, 367 00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:02.880 you know, there were consequences to pay. 368 00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:10.240 Was there any psychiatric evaluation, Was there any terms in 369 00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:13.759 a mental facility. Was she ever diagnosed with any was 370 00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:18.359 she under any prescription from any amount of time? Tell 371 00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:21.000 us about that, if any background was. 372 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:28.720 I believe that she at one point And this is terrible. 373 00:25:28.759 --> 00:25:30.920 The author is going to question the reader. Dan help 374 00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:37.720 me out. Since she was diagnosed with bipolar disorder and 375 00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:44.799 regularly taking meds. But she had, you know, things where 376 00:25:44.839 --> 00:25:48.599 she would close farm herself and swallow razor bit blades 377 00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:52.880 and be hospitalized. And you know what was really significant 378 00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:59.119 is all these you know, red flags popped up after 379 00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:03.400 she graduated high school, and you know, I talked to 380 00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:08.920 her family and they were very like, well, we would 381 00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:12.160 have never had a million years thought or saw this coming. 382 00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:17.359 And it's like, really, you know all these and I 383 00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:21.559 actually get into extreme detail in the book on prior 384 00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:25.559 to circumstances where Melissa has shown, you know, clearly that 385 00:26:25.640 --> 00:26:30.319 she's unstable, and her parents, basically because of her instability, 386 00:26:31.160 --> 00:26:33.920 shipped her up to Tracy to live with her grandparents. 387 00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:39.400 So we knew something was wrong with her. They knew, 388 00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:43.160 you know, and even to keep her own child with her. 389 00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:46.359 I mean, I'm not a grandparent, but I have daughters, 390 00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:50.799 and you know, seriously, if I would ever God forbid 391 00:26:50.799 --> 00:26:54.079 see one of my children as adults behaving in the 392 00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:57.559 manner that she would. I would do whatever I could 393 00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:03.279 to get my grandchild. And their solution to this was 394 00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:07.960 two ships Melissa to her grandparents trailer in Tracy, California. 395 00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:12.359 Okay, let's go back now, because there's a little thing 396 00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:19.240 missing all the drama. What happens to the to Maria 397 00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:22.279 Schevs and the family, the grandparents, the brothers and the sisters, 398 00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:25.599 and then the entire community, the friends and everyone that 399 00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:29.640 they know, and then everyone the audience becomes part of 400 00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:33.960 the grieving family. Will say of sorts, now, tell us 401 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:39.000