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<v Speaker 1>Laurie had her whole future ahead of her, a new home,

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<v Speaker 1>a loving husband, and the exciting news of a baby

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<v Speaker 1>on the way. But just days before she was set

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<v Speaker 1>to leave for a fresh start, she vanished without a trace,

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<v Speaker 1>supposedly during a morning run. As desperate search is unfolded

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<v Speaker 1>across Salt Lake City, no one could have imagined the

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<v Speaker 1>dark secrets that would come spilling out, or that a

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<v Speaker 1>person who claimed to love her was hiding the darkest

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<v Speaker 1>of those secrets. This is the story of Laurie K.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorah's hacking.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked

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<v Speaker 2>and Grim, a.

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<v Speaker 1>True crime podcast. The following podcast material intended for your audiences.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotta love that sound. Every time it hits just so good.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like it sounds better through the mic though.

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<v Speaker 1>It just always sounds good no matter what. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>will say, Okay, one of the best times I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>heard that sound. I know, not everyone is an outdoorsman,

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<v Speaker 1>and not everyone is a hunter. I do partake in

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<v Speaker 1>hunting once in a while, and I have to say,

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<v Speaker 1>when you go to a stand or a tree stand

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<v Speaker 1>and you're sitting in the middle of the forest with

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<v Speaker 1>either sunrise or sundown, because hey, there are such thing

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<v Speaker 1>as breakfast beers and you sit inside Lenz and you

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<v Speaker 1>crack one of those.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, this is spiful. Is this why you

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<v Speaker 2>haven't ever got anything?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I haven't ever got I'm kidding, that's malarkey.

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<v Speaker 2>The last few years you haven't had very much. Lucky

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<v Speaker 2>I have. That's why. No, that's not why some hunters

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<v Speaker 2>out there are like, what are you doing? Then?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't always it's it's an occasion and it's when

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<v Speaker 1>it happens, it's so sweet, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, I get that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I didn't write anything for like things we had

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about, so I don't. If you got anything,

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<v Speaker 1>let's we can do it, or we can just go

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<v Speaker 1>right into being like, let's thank awesome patrons.

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<v Speaker 2>Well let's thank some awesome patrons.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you have nothing to talk about either?

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<v Speaker 2>Do I always have shit to talk Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>You do? Okay? Cool? Okay, Well let's thank patrons. Then

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<v Speaker 1>we'll move into what you got. So thank you and

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<v Speaker 1>shout out to Carol King, Lex, Jeremy Dean, Marley Martinez,

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<v Speaker 1>and are supporting us. Thank you so much. It means

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<v Speaker 1>the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure does it do? For sure? Sure?

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<v Speaker 1>Now what do you got?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was just going to say a goal that

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<v Speaker 2>I have. I'm going to try to sit with good

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<v Speaker 2>posture this whole episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, make sure your MIC's in a good spot.

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<v Speaker 2>Then my body is just wrecked all the time, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what the fuck is wrong with me? But

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<v Speaker 2>then I sometimes look at how I'm sitting when I'm editing,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, yeah, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably why scoliosis posture. Is that what's going on or what?

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<v Speaker 2>Or I don't know, Like I have my leg up

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<v Speaker 2>or like sitting cross legged, and like it's just not healthy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not good.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's a good, good, good goal to have.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm also very fidgety too, so it's like to

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<v Speaker 2>sit in one position for an hour or.

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<v Speaker 1>Just I don't know, I can't do that, but you

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<v Speaker 1>do it all the time when literally every day when

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<v Speaker 1>you're working.

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<v Speaker 2>I get well, I move around a lot, though, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very like.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, Ebbie, twice a week when we record the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>To do it well, I'm going to this is how

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sitting the whole episode. So okay, watch watch me, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Nichole's going to be a gargoyle for this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>apparently with phenomenal posture leering over me. And I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to get into this case. Okay, you ready for this one?

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<v Speaker 2>I am. So.

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<v Speaker 1>In the morning of July nineteenth, two thousand and four,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight year old Mark Hacking woke up later than

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<v Speaker 1>planned and immediately noticed something was unusual. Now, his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>Laurie Soarez Hacking, she wasn't home. He figured she had

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<v Speaker 1>already left for work at Wells Fargo, where she was

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<v Speaker 1>a stockbroker's assistant. Now see, Laurie had planned to start

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<v Speaker 1>the day with an early morning run at Memory Grove

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<v Speaker 1>in Salt Lake City, Utah, like she often did. The

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<v Speaker 1>plan for her was to come home afterwards and then

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<v Speaker 1>get ready and then Mark was going to drive her

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<v Speaker 1>to work at seven am. But Mark overslept and woke

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<v Speaker 1>up at around eight am. Oh dang, yeah, So when

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<v Speaker 1>he woke up, she was nowhere to be found, and

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<v Speaker 1>he just kind of assumed that Laurie skipped waking him

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<v Speaker 1>up and let him have a sleep in and let

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<v Speaker 1>him sleep in exactly. So he woke up frantically at

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<v Speaker 1>eight and was like, oh shit, I slept in, got

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<v Speaker 1>out of bed and she was nowhere to be found,

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<v Speaker 1>and say, okay, she just let me have this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sort of situation fair enough. I mean, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think you'd go somewhere negative right away exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, like her car was gone from the driveway, so

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<v Speaker 1>nothing seemed out of the ordinary, d right. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>until about ten PM that things started to feel a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit off though. Mark called Laurie's office, only to

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<v Speaker 1>find out that she never showed up that morning for work.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's when alarm bell seemed to start ringing in

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<v Speaker 1>Mark's head. As he stood in their bedroom, still on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone with one of Laurie's co workers, he suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>noticed something strange. Laurie's work clothes were still laid out, untouched,

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<v Speaker 1>the clothes she planned to wear to work that very day. See,

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<v Speaker 1>this meant that she had never made it back home

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<v Speaker 1>her run. She didn't come back home, she didn't wake

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<v Speaker 1>him up, she didn't get dressed, she didn't go to work.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that is so scary. And those are

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<v Speaker 2>things you wouldn't really notice until you're I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>alarmed by something, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, exactly, I mean clothes laying out. I'm sure we

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<v Speaker 1>all have clothes laying out in our house somewhere right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure. So like close out, hey, until he realizes

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<v Speaker 1>weight like, oh, those aren't dirty clothes or aren't the

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<v Speaker 1>ones she wore yesterday. These are clean ones she planned

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<v Speaker 1>So Mark was like, even on the phone, he's like, oh, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>oh heck, her clothes are still here. Well, actually I

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<v Speaker 1>screwed up that quote. It's oh my heck, here's her clothes.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my heck, yeah, oh my heck, here's her clothes.

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<v Speaker 1>She never came back from running, That's what he said. Now, panic,

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<v Speaker 1>Mark of course hung up the phone with the coworker

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<v Speaker 1>and dialed nine one one now. But the desk sergeant

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<v Speaker 1>told him that he had to wait twenty four hours

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<v Speaker 1>before officially reporting Lori missing, which, unfortunately, is something in

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<v Speaker 1>many of the cases that yeah, you need to wait

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<v Speaker 1>for someone to be reported missing because hey, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>know they're missing yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we've chatted about that so much. And in some

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<v Speaker 2>cases it makes sense, but in some it just doesn't. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't so out of character for her. I'm assuming, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that they need to be starting to look right away.

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<v Speaker 1>But the problem is, how do you triage these situations

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<v Speaker 1>of who you should and shouldn't look for before twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four hours the hers right, that becomes a very iffy situation. So,

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunately he had to wait twenty four hours. Now, Mark

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<v Speaker 1>was frustrated but determined, so he took matters into his

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<v Speaker 1>own hands and drove to Memory Grove to look for

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<v Speaker 1>him for her himself. When he got there there, he

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<v Speaker 1>found her car still parked near the running trails. Shit,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was no sign of Lourie. By then, Laurie's

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<v Speaker 1>coworkers had also started to worry, and a few of

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<v Speaker 1>them arrived at Memory Grove as well to help Mark search.

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<v Speaker 1>Both Mark and Laurie's family members also joined in. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>like both the family members from Mark and Lorie's side. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so we not only have Mark there looking at Memory

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<v Speaker 1>Growth now where she went running, also her coworkers and

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<v Speaker 1>family members from both their sides. They knew the roots

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<v Speaker 1>that she typically ran, and they all began checking every

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<v Speaker 1>possible path that she might have taken. Thankfully, after multiple

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<v Speaker 1>calls from concerned friends and family. The police arrived to

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<v Speaker 1>assist in the search. Okay, so they were able to

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<v Speaker 1>get this expedited, right, Okay good. Laurie's loved ones explained

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<v Speaker 1>that when she ran alone, she always stuck to the

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<v Speaker 1>main road for safety reasons. Yeah, and only ever veered

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<v Speaker 1>off onto these like side trails when she had company

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<v Speaker 1>with her.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's good. So she's thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>She was she was, so they knew she was running alone.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is where she would have been, right checking

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<v Speaker 1>that main trail. Now, as with most missing persons cases,

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<v Speaker 1>investigators quickly turned their attention to the spouse, and when

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<v Speaker 1>officers spoke with Mark, they noticed he was visibly shaken

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<v Speaker 1>right away and he was struggling to keep himself together still,

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<v Speaker 1>though he managed to walk them through what happened that morning.

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<v Speaker 1>He also mentioned that he had already run Laurie's usual

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<v Speaker 1>route himself, hoping to find some clue of where she

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<v Speaker 1>might have been. Now that included crossing a creek, which

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<v Speaker 1>he said like, that's why his shoes were wet at

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<v Speaker 1>the time. Apparently, so he had soaking wet feet. He

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<v Speaker 1>ran down the trail through this creek, kind of where

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<v Speaker 1>she would have been no sign of her.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>At one point during the conversation, Mark became so overwhelmed,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, with while talking to police officers that he

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<v Speaker 1>reportedly even lost his balance and fell backwards against Laurie's car.

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<v Speaker 1>He's so distraughted.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, at the time Laurie had vanished, Salt Lake City

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<v Speaker 1>was still shaken by the two thousand and two kidnapping

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<v Speaker 1>of fourteen year old Elizabeth Smart, which was a very

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<v Speaker 1>widely publicized case. The case had actually gripped the nation,

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<v Speaker 1>and with it still fresh in people's mind, authorities wasted

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<v Speaker 1>no time launching a full scale investigation into Laurie's disappearance,

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<v Speaker 1>despite Mark's initially or sorry, despite Mark initially believing he

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<v Speaker 1>had to wait twenty four hours to report her missing. Thankfully,

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<v Speaker 1>now this was all It was unfolding much sooner, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was expedited. So that was a phenomenal thing. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>search teams hit the ground, and they hit the ground fast.

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<v Speaker 1>They deployed canine units, They even had helicopters in the air,

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<v Speaker 1>hovering low over the trees combing the area. But after

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<v Speaker 1>hours of searching, there was nothing. There were no clues,

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<v Speaker 1>there were no witnesses, nothing to explain what had happened

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<v Speaker 1>to Laurie. Then, as words spread, women started coming forward

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<v Speaker 1>with unsettling stories about Memory Grove.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, so if you recalled creepy encounters with suspicious

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<v Speaker 1>men in the area, which only fueled the fear that

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<v Speaker 1>Laurie had been abducted while out on her morning run,

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<v Speaker 1>much like what had happened to Elizabeth Smart. Now, the

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<v Speaker 1>timing of Laurie's disappearance made everything even harder for the

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<v Speaker 1>whole situation. See, she and Mark were at a huge

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<v Speaker 1>turning point in their lives. They were on the verge

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<v Speaker 1>of everything they had worked hard towards. They were on

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<v Speaker 1>five years. Mark had just finished his master's in psychology

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<v Speaker 1>had just quit her job to support Mark's schooling, and

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<v Speaker 1>just three days earlier they had celebrated with a going

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<v Speaker 1>And if that wasn't enough, they had even bigger news.

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<v Speaker 1>Laurie was about five weeks pregnant. Friends and family said

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<v Speaker 1>that she was so thrilled about the baby and excited

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<v Speaker 1>Everything was just picture perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>My goodness. You know, you hear so often about like

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<v Speaker 2>I've even heard that a little bit about our park

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<v Speaker 2>that we have here, the one by the river, Cottonwood.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, I don't know it. Sometimes you wonder

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know. There's shit that happens on the

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't know if I've ever actually told you

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<v Speaker 1>about this about Cottonwood Park. I had a strange encounter

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<v Speaker 1>there quite a few years ago. This was probably, I

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<v Speaker 1>bet you two thousand and nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So I worked at the sawmill down by this park

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<v Speaker 1>after work, I drove out of the parking lot and

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<v Speaker 1>I just worked like a nine hour day work boots

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<v Speaker 1>stealed hose, sweaty, gross feet. So all my way pulling out,

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<v Speaker 1>chained socks and stuff. Yeah, so I forgot to do

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<v Speaker 1>it in the parking lot. So I pulled over in

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<v Speaker 1>dude was just like staring at me the whole time.

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<v Speaker 2>Ha.

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<v Speaker 1>And then like I pulled away out of the parking lot,

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<v Speaker 1>and so did he.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, Well, because my dad used to have like

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<v Speaker 2>would go over there because he worked at the same

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<v Speaker 2>place and it would have his lunch breaks. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he had some stories too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think there was like some hookup things going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think so.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that this guy thought I might have

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<v Speaker 1>been there for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he was really turned on what you were doing.

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<v Speaker 1>WHOA like this dude's wiping down his feet. Anyways, some

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<v Speaker 1>parks can be creepy at times, but we digress. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>get back to the story now. A neighbor told police

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<v Speaker 1>that Lori's car had been parked outside their apartment at

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<v Speaker 1>seven am. That morning. So the police are continuing to search,

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<v Speaker 1>they're questioning people, right, Yeah, in fact, like missing person

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<v Speaker 1>flyers went up that city all that afternoon. But that

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<v Speaker 1>same neighbor she also said when she left at eight thirty,

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<v Speaker 1>the car.

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<v Speaker 2>Was still there, Okay, which doesn't match.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't match because Mark had insisted that when he

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<v Speaker 1>woke up at eight am, the car was already gone.

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<v Speaker 1>And even when approached with this information that the neighbor

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<v Speaker 1>said it was there at eight thirty, he's like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it was gone by eight, he insisted. Now, if that

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<v Speaker 1>were true, how did Lori's car end up back at

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<v Speaker 1>Memory Grove? Though? If the neighbor said it was there

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<v Speaker 1>at eight thirty, how was it like back? Right? These

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<v Speaker 1>are two contradicting stories.

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<v Speaker 2>But also could the neighbor have just been mistaken. That's

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<v Speaker 2>sort of where my head goes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's possible either one of them was mistaken.

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<v Speaker 2>Though.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, yeah, Now, in detective's press Mark about the timeline,

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<v Speaker 1>he couldn't explain this car on tradiction. He was certain though,

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<v Speaker 1>that her car was gone when he woke up. But

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<v Speaker 1>even when these inconsistencies were coming up, authorities were struggling

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<v Speaker 1>to find any reason why Mark could have been involved

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<v Speaker 1>in Laurie's disappearance. So even if we're saying yes, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we focus on the spouse always, right, it's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the first suspects, and there is an inconsistency in his story,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like, hey, red flag, the police stood back

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, okay, even if this is the case,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't make sense, like why there is no why,

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<v Speaker 1>there is no motivation. Everything seems perfect. Family and friends

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<v Speaker 1>are even backing this up.

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<v Speaker 2>Not everything like things that seem perfect. Is it's a

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<v Speaker 2>different story behind closed doors, right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. That's true. Now, they turned to Laurie's coworkers,

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<v Speaker 1>who the couple, who knew the couple well. One colleague

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<v Speaker 1>said Laurie had just seemed so happy in the days

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<v Speaker 1>leading up to her disappearance. She was upbeat, excited for

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<v Speaker 1>her future and her marriage heared solid. Mark had even

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<v Speaker 1>sent her flowers at work recently. Laurie's mother echoed the

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<v Speaker 1>same sentiment, saying the couple had a loving relationship and

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<v Speaker 1>they were still deeply in love. Laurie had even called

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<v Speaker 1>Mark her big old teddy bear. Friends and family all

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<v Speaker 1>agreed the two seemed happy no one could imagine Mark

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<v Speaker 1>being any sort of implication into this whatsoever, But investigators

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<v Speaker 1>soon discovered appearances can be deceiving.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh see, I'm hoping, I am hoping it doesn't involve him.

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<v Speaker 2>But then there's also that little little voice, right that.

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<v Speaker 1>There is that little voice. Now, even with all these

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<v Speaker 1>signs pointing to a happy marriage, there was one thing

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<v Speaker 1>that didn't sit right with investigators, something that Mark had

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<v Speaker 1>done the morning of Laurie's disappearance. See, before he even

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<v Speaker 1>realized Laurie was missing, between nine and ten am, he

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<v Speaker 1>went out and he bought a brand new match Ris

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<v Speaker 1>for their bedroom, supposedly assumingly for their upcoming move.

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<v Speaker 2>Shit, that is fucked.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's something that I think will raise eyebrows of

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<v Speaker 1>any true crime.

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<v Speaker 2>Fan big time. That is so messed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So I'm just gonna leave that at that for now. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna let you guys ste on that one. Later

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<v Speaker 1>that afternoon, on the same day Laurie disappeared, Mark was

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<v Speaker 1>brought in for a quick interview. On the way to

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<v Speaker 1>the station, he made a comment saying, Laurie's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be so pissed at me, and when he was asked

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<v Speaker 1>what that meant. He's like, if you guys ever find her,

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<v Speaker 1>she's going to be so mad at me because I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't go running with her, like saying, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I left her alone. She'd be mad that I left

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<v Speaker 1>her alone. I could have been there sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, Like maybe he decided he didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>go running, but now look at the situation she's in

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<v Speaker 2>exactly now.

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<v Speaker 1>Once he arrived at the station, Mark sat down with

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<v Speaker 1>officers and repeat did his version of events. Initially, he

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<v Speaker 1>even agreed to take a computer voice stress analysis or

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<v Speaker 1>a CBSA. It's a test that's a controversial tool, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of similar to like a polygraph sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Ok.

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<v Speaker 1>It's supposedly to text this deception by analyzing vocal stress.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's basically a lie detector, but it's vocal. So

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<v Speaker 1>after investigators explained how it worked and exactly what it was,

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<v Speaker 1>he soon changed his mind and he refused to take

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<v Speaker 1>the test.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I mean I don't fully disagree with that though,

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<v Speaker 2>because I've felt it many times. I would come across

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<v Speaker 2>guilty talking to anyone about anything, probably just because I would,

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<v Speaker 2>in that situation be nervous exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So, I mean it was a voluntary test. They asked, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to do this? He's like, no, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to take that test. So, hey, fair enough,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't implicate him in anything by not doing the test.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he'sy regardless of if he did something or not,

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<v Speaker 2>he's still very stress exactly, and so that could implicate him.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, regardless, and this is a stress analysis. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>a perfect science, and I'll admittedly say I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>the science behind it and how exactly it works, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it detected a lying stress differently than it would detect

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<v Speaker 1>like a just a standard stress stress or other types

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<v Speaker 1>of stress. But who's to say, I don't know. Regardless,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't want to take the test, and so he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't now something about his behavior though, just wasn't adding

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<v Speaker 1>up to authorities. They couldn't quite put a finger on it,

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<v Speaker 1>but they knew they needed to take a closer look

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<v Speaker 1>at the couple's apartment. One of the first places that

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<v Speaker 1>police checked at the apartment was the dumpster outside the complex.

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<v Speaker 1>While they were searching, Mark's brother showed up and asked

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<v Speaker 1>why the police were there. Mark's response, he just said,

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<v Speaker 1>apparently they're nervous that I bought a new mattress, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he added, I just need to get away.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, if there was any evidence in the dumpster,

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<v Speaker 2>that would be so dumb. Yeah, but honestly too. But well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, buying a mattress is so dumb too. But

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<v Speaker 2>maybe he literally didn't, like, there's still hope.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you do have to think they're about to move. Yeah, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when someone's going to buy a mat that's a good

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<v Speaker 1>time to buy a new mattress.

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<v Speaker 2>Not really, though, because it would be better once you're

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<v Speaker 2>in your new place.

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<v Speaker 1>Potentially my opinion, potentially, But think of it this way.

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<v Speaker 1>You get rid of your old mattress, you buy your

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<v Speaker 1>new mattress. If you're moving like tomorrow, it's wrapped in plastic.

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<v Speaker 1>You can transport it if you got a moving truck,

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<v Speaker 1>throw it in the truck and away you go.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess when you arrive at.

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<v Speaker 1>The new place, you have the mattress.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's just it just seems like it's extra moving.

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<v Speaker 1>I get you, though, I get you. No, there there's

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<v Speaker 1>the other side of the coin for sure. Now, officers

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<v Speaker 1>dug through the dumpster and they didn't find anything, not

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<v Speaker 1>even an old mattress. So the search for Lorie continued,

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<v Speaker 1>and just when it seemed like things couldn't get any stranger,

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<v Speaker 1>Mark's behavior took another bizarre turn. At two am on

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<v Speaker 1>July twentieth, just hours after Laurie was reported missing. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is the next day, but it's early in the

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<v Speaker 1>morning hours right, Police were called to a hotel about

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<v Speaker 1>half a mile from the couple's apartment. See Mark had

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<v Speaker 1>checked into this hotel for the night instead of staying

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<v Speaker 1>at the house, but when officers arrived, they found him

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<v Speaker 1>running through the hallways of the hotel completely naked except

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<v Speaker 1>for wearing a pair of sandals.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, what the shit's going on there?

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<v Speaker 1>I know. Now, his brother Scott arrived at the scene

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<v Speaker 1>as well. It's unclear exactly how he came to learn

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<v Speaker 1>that this is going on, but he learned that his

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<v Speaker 1>brother was acting like this is the hotel and he

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<v Speaker 1>showed up to So when he arrived, he found something

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<v Speaker 1>unexpected on Mark's PDA, which is a small handheld computer

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<v Speaker 1>basically an early version of kind of like a smartphone

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<v Speaker 1>sort of thing. So this message read quote to everyone

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<v Speaker 1>from Mark, this is justice. I'm so sorry. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>unclear exactly what that means.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm unsure.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna say that one's hey, just open for interpretation.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, I mean, this man is under a lot

422
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<v Speaker 2>of stress, So it really is.

423
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<v Speaker 1>And like you say, if you took that stress test,

424
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<v Speaker 1>it's probably going to show that he was stressed.

425
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<v Speaker 2>Maybe he had a couple bevies to try to like

426
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<v Speaker 2>relax himself, and he's like, hey, this sounds like a

427
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<v Speaker 2>good idea.

428
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<v Speaker 1>Here for a good time, not a long time, right, Yeah,

429
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Well, after this incident, Mark's family decided

430
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<v Speaker 1>to check him into a psychiatric unit for treatment. Okay,

431
00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:45.720
<v Speaker 1>but later on now I'm not exactly sure when this

432
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<v Speaker 1>comment came in, but later an FBI profiler, Candace DeLong,

433
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<v Speaker 1>commented on the situation, pointing out something a little interesting. Now,

434
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<v Speaker 1>according to Candace, quote, he kept his shoes on. That's

435
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<v Speaker 1>not generally something we see in someone truly psychotic.

436
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<v Speaker 2>Oh, like when he was running through the halls naked?

437
00:23:08.119 --> 00:23:12.599
<v Speaker 1>You mean yes? Okay, So her remark led some to

438
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<v Speaker 1>believe that Mark might have been faking a sort of

439
00:23:16.519 --> 00:23:20.640
<v Speaker 1>mental breakdown, possibly to avoid facing what could have been coming.

440
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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, because he's not he's a smart man. He's

441
00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:29.039
<v Speaker 2>like about to become a doctor, right, so he's using

442
00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:30.240
<v Speaker 2>his noggin maybe.

443
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<v Speaker 1>Well that's the thing, you see, Mark had a bit

444
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<v Speaker 1>of a secret.

445
00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:36.400
<v Speaker 2>He wasn't actually becoming a doctor.

446
00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:39.240
<v Speaker 1>For years, he was living a double life.

447
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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, okay, here, I'm like, you know what, I'm

448
00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:44.920
<v Speaker 2>gonna be on Mark's side, But am I.

449
00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:48.559
<v Speaker 1>About to turn Well? His family believed he was working

450
00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:52.160
<v Speaker 1>hard towards his dream of becoming a doctor. H His

451
00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:55.680
<v Speaker 1>apartment was always scattered with open textbooks, and Laurie's mother

452
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<v Speaker 1>had even helped him write term papers. Everyone thought he

453
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<v Speaker 1>had been accepted to a medical school at the University

454
00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:05.440
<v Speaker 1>of Northern Carolina sorry North Carolina Chapel Hill. And that's

455
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<v Speaker 1>why they were preparing for this whole move in the

456
00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:13.160
<v Speaker 1>first place. Right, But here's the truth. Mark had never

457
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<v Speaker 1>been accepted. In fact, Mark had never even applied.

458
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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, this dude's getting more and more suspicious. Oh

459
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<v Speaker 2>you think, man, I just want to believe so badly

460
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<v Speaker 2>that it wasn't him.

461
00:24:28.880 --> 00:24:32.799
<v Speaker 1>Well, the deception didn't stop here. Mark had gone as

462
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<v Speaker 1>far as traveling across the country for fake medical school interviews.

463
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<v Speaker 1>Keeping up this elaborate lie for years.

464
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<v Speaker 2>Whoa.

465
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<v Speaker 1>As investigators dug deeper, they uncovered years of deception, years

466
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<v Speaker 1>of lies so intricately woven that it was almost hard

467
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<v Speaker 1>to believe. Holy shit, forget not getting into medical school,

468
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<v Speaker 1>Mark hadn't even graduated from the University of Utah. In fact,

469
00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:05.240
<v Speaker 1>he had dropped out entirely. All those textbooks scattered around

470
00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:09.000
<v Speaker 1>the apartment, the term papers he wrote, those weren't signs

471
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<v Speaker 1>of a hard working student. They were props in an

472
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<v Speaker 1>elaborate performance to sell his story of lies.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

474
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<v Speaker 1>Mark had even gone so far as to leave his

475
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<v Speaker 1>apartment each day, telling Laurie, his family, and his friends

476
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<v Speaker 1>that he had classes to attend, when really he didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>What the fuck was he doing with all his time? Then?

478
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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, if he wasn't at school, where was he? Right?

479
00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Are on these trips and shit?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, turns out, instead of studying for medical exams or

481
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<v Speaker 1>sitting in lecture lectures, Mark was just hanging out at

482
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<v Speaker 1>like a local convenience store, drinking sodas, eating hot dogs,

483
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<v Speaker 1>and smoking.

484
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<v Speaker 2>Are you serious?

485
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<v Speaker 1>He was literally just wasting his time, just biding time

486
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<v Speaker 1>so we can go back home.

487
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<v Speaker 2>WHOA, Yeah, okay, I don't know why, but I will well,

488
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know why. I did not expect this shit.

489
00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:06.359
<v Speaker 2>That just seems so wild. He's twenty eight years old.

490
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<v Speaker 2>I think you said too at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>Believe so yeah, Okay, Now, he told employees at these

492
00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:14.880
<v Speaker 1>convenience stores and stuff that he was a therapist and

493
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<v Speaker 1>even asked them to keep his smoking a secret from Laurie,

494
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<v Speaker 1>so assuming that people like knew them, like they shop

495
00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:24.240
<v Speaker 1>there or something or whatever. Okay, but he asked them

496
00:26:24.279 --> 00:26:26.160
<v Speaker 1>to keep this smoking and stuff a secret since they

497
00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:28.519
<v Speaker 1>were both a part of the Church of Latter day Saints,

498
00:26:28.519 --> 00:26:32.480
<v Speaker 1>where smoking was frowned upon. So the lies, though, don't

499
00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:36.519
<v Speaker 1>stop here. Mark had also convinced Laurie's mother that he

500
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<v Speaker 1>worked at the Neuropsychiatric Institute of the University of Utah

501
00:26:42.279 --> 00:26:46.799
<v Speaker 1>running therapy sessions, when in reality he was just a

502
00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:51.599
<v Speaker 1>hospital orderly responsible for organizing group activities but definitely not

503
00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:54.759
<v Speaker 1>for treating patients.

504
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<v Speaker 2>Well, he really went above and beyond. Yeah, I feel

505
00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:04.519
<v Speaker 2>like this is just so much to come up with,

506
00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:07.799
<v Speaker 2>Like it really is. What's the point really, Well, and.

507
00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:10.160
<v Speaker 1>That's that's part of this and why it's so so

508
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:15.240
<v Speaker 1>convoluted but also so hard to understand. Sure, and maybe

509
00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:19.279
<v Speaker 1>it's a lie that got out of control, but what

510
00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:22.200
<v Speaker 1>what what's he doing? What's he gaining from it? He's

511
00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:25.640
<v Speaker 1>just eating a fucking hot dog at a convenience store.

512
00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:28.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it seems so stressful for him to have

513
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:32.880
<v Speaker 2>to also uphold this lie, right that he's literally about

514
00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:35.599
<v Speaker 2>to go like move, I don't know how far, but

515
00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:39.680
<v Speaker 2>move to become going to medical school exactly.

516
00:27:39.799 --> 00:27:41.839
<v Speaker 1>So what's he going to do when they move to

517
00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:42.640
<v Speaker 1>this new place?

518
00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, that's maybe that's the problem.

519
00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:49.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, what's he going to do when yeah, if he

520
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:51.880
<v Speaker 1>supposedly is a doctor and he's now supposed to be

521
00:27:51.920 --> 00:27:55.079
<v Speaker 1>paying bills, hit like there's he cannot keep it up,

522
00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:55.880
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean.

523
00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:58.519
<v Speaker 2>No, but what I'm just saying is maybe like he

524
00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:00.680
<v Speaker 2>had to fix this line some way.

525
00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:04.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and maybe that's how he fixed it. Yeah, that

526
00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:07.599
<v Speaker 1>became some of these theories right now. When all this

527
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:10.759
<v Speaker 1>came to light, it shook both Laurie and Mark's family

528
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:15.359
<v Speaker 1>to the core. Up until that moment, they had a

529
00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:17.920
<v Speaker 1>belief that the couple was happy. They believed that they

530
00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:22.440
<v Speaker 1>were successful and thriving. Mark's own father admitted that quote,

531
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:27.000
<v Speaker 1>we didn't see it coming. We were completely blindsided. People

532
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:30.960
<v Speaker 1>began speculating, began speculating about why Mark had gone to

533
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:34.079
<v Speaker 1>such lengths to maintain these lies. Many believed it was

534
00:28:34.119 --> 00:28:36.680
<v Speaker 1>because of the pressure he felt from his family. His

535
00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:39.079
<v Speaker 1>father and his brother were both doctors, and his other

536
00:28:39.160 --> 00:28:43.119
<v Speaker 1>brother was an electrical engineer. Maybe Mark had felt that

537
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:47.400
<v Speaker 1>he had to measure up. When confronted, he tried to

538
00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:51.440
<v Speaker 1>downplay it all, saying that he only told a little

539
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:54.720
<v Speaker 1>lie that snowballed out of control. Which I mean, hey,

540
00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:57.519
<v Speaker 1>there is a possibility that that is the case. There

541
00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:01.160
<v Speaker 1>is let's let's play Devil's advocate for a moment here.

542
00:29:01.559 --> 00:29:04.400
<v Speaker 1>Maybe that is the case. One little ee snowballed to

543
00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:08.880
<v Speaker 1>this point. Still like, it's got to end somewhere, and

544
00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:10.519
<v Speaker 1>he's got to know that well.

545
00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:13.400
<v Speaker 2>And I'm also just had the slot. I'm curious if

546
00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:16.799
<v Speaker 2>his wife, you know, knew Maybe she did actually know

547
00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:20.559
<v Speaker 2>the truth, maybe sent or found out or something.

548
00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:25.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, despite these revelations about what Mark was hiding,

549
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:29.799
<v Speaker 1>Laurie's family still stood by him. They believed they believed

550
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:31.319
<v Speaker 1>him when he said he had nothing to do with

551
00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Laurie's disappearance. They believed he was innocent.

552
00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:36.480
<v Speaker 2>But after hearing all these lies, how could you even

553
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:38.920
<v Speaker 2>believe anything that comes out of his mouth?

554
00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:42.359
<v Speaker 1>You know, well, they seen the relationship, they seen their

555
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:46.000
<v Speaker 1>daughter with him, so they stood by him.

556
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:48.319
<v Speaker 2>H Okay, that's good. Now.

557
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:51.920
<v Speaker 1>As the search continued, police uncovered the last known sighting

558
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:55.359
<v Speaker 1>of Laurie. There was surveillance footage from a convenience store

559
00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:59.640
<v Speaker 1>that showed up with her and Mark together on Sunday evening,

560
00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:04.319
<v Speaker 1>the before she vanished. Everything seemed normal. They were completely

561
00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:06.799
<v Speaker 1>fine and happy. You know, I'm not going to say

562
00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:08.519
<v Speaker 1>they were hand in hand because I don't know, but

563
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:11.400
<v Speaker 1>by as far as the accounts say, they were as

564
00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:14.400
<v Speaker 1>happy as being hand in hand, let's say that they

565
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:17.160
<v Speaker 1>might as well have been. It's just a normal couple.

566
00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:20.359
<v Speaker 2>They looked like they were just a normal married couple, exactly,

567
00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:22.200
<v Speaker 2>going and getting some snackies or something.

568
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:27.160
<v Speaker 1>However, a few hours later, at around one am, Mark

569
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:30.160
<v Speaker 1>returned to the store alone to buy cigarettes.

570
00:30:31.480 --> 00:30:34.200
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that gave me kind of chills.

571
00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:39.000
<v Speaker 1>But considering his pattern of lies and going to convenience

572
00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:45.200
<v Speaker 1>stores as Devil's advocate here, maybe there's nothing skin me

573
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:47.480
<v Speaker 1>about going to get some smokes.

574
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:50.000
<v Speaker 2>I guess what my head right away was like, oh, man,

575
00:30:50.359 --> 00:30:52.119
<v Speaker 2>she's already dead at that point.

576
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:54.960
<v Speaker 1>It's possibility. Now I can't say because I don't want

577
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:57.880
<v Speaker 1>to give things away, so let's continue. So when asked,

578
00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:00.319
<v Speaker 1>Mark claimed Laurie had gone to bed at that point.

579
00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:03.640
<v Speaker 1>That in itself, you know, isn't suspicious, but there's something

580
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:07.000
<v Speaker 1>that still didn't sit right with investigators heading back to

581
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:12.279
<v Speaker 1>that new mattress. Determined to get answers, and particularly around

582
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:16.039
<v Speaker 1>that mattress. Police searched a dumpster at the church that

583
00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Mark attended, and that's when they found an old mattress. However,

584
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:27.039
<v Speaker 1>when they found this mattress, something was wrong. Yes, it

585
00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:29.920
<v Speaker 1>was an old mattress that was thrown away, but the

586
00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:33.359
<v Speaker 1>top part of the mattress had been cut away and

587
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:37.200
<v Speaker 1>was missing, oh, completely stripped off.

588
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:39.279
<v Speaker 2>Okay, here we go.

589
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:42.680
<v Speaker 1>When Mark was questioned about it, though, he had an answer.

590
00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:45.559
<v Speaker 2>He is a answer for everything.

591
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:48.240
<v Speaker 1>He does, he really does, but not for why he

592
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:50.960
<v Speaker 1>had used the church dumpster. More So, this answer was

593
00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:56.119
<v Speaker 1>explaining the condition of the mattress in itself. See, he

594
00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:59.200
<v Speaker 1>explained that Laurie and he had thrown out the old

595
00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:03.400
<v Speaker 1>mattress because Laurie apparently had a heavy menstrual cycle and

596
00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:08.519
<v Speaker 1>had bled on the mattress, Okay, which is a rather

597
00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:11.319
<v Speaker 1>convenient story if someone's blood is on a mattress.

598
00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:17.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but also if she's like five weeks pregnant, she

599
00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:20.240
<v Speaker 2>like that blood was just there for you know how long.

600
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:22.039
<v Speaker 1>Right, that's the thing.

601
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:24.640
<v Speaker 2>But I guess you can't have like spotting and earned

602
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:26.839
<v Speaker 2>stuff during like your early pregnancy.

603
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:30.000
<v Speaker 1>I guess, Well, maybe this mattress just had stains on

604
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:33.440
<v Speaker 1>it from years of use and you know, cycles and

605
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:35.920
<v Speaker 1>some leaking. Who knows. And it's like, well, no one's

606
00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:37.759
<v Speaker 1>going to want to buy this, so they like, you know,

607
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:39.839
<v Speaker 1>maybe that's what he's implying.

608
00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:42.759
<v Speaker 2>And she was embarrassed about it or something, so they cut.

609
00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:48.160
<v Speaker 1>It off exactly who knows what. Investigators were not buying it.

610
00:32:48.440 --> 00:32:50.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, that's really hard to buy it is.

611
00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:54.319
<v Speaker 1>At this point, detectives were starting to suspect that Laurie

612
00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:57.920
<v Speaker 1>never even went for her morning run at all. To

613
00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:01.599
<v Speaker 1>test this theory, they closely examined Laurie's car, and that's

614
00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:05.880
<v Speaker 1>when they found something disturbing. The driver's seat and the

615
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:09.519
<v Speaker 1>mirror they were adjusted for someone much taller than Lori,

616
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:13.599
<v Speaker 1>who was only five foot three. This meant she wasn't

617
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:15.039
<v Speaker 1>the last person to drive the.

618
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Car, so he missed a step.

619
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:21.720
<v Speaker 1>But even worse, investigators found blood in the back seat.

620
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.

621
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:27.119
<v Speaker 1>Now it wasn't just a few drops. It was blood

622
00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:30.759
<v Speaker 1>from a transfer stain, meaning that wet blood from one

623
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:35.279
<v Speaker 1>surface had touched another and had transferred over something potentially.

624
00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:37.799
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is a pure speculation of my part,

625
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:41.079
<v Speaker 1>but like a ripped off, bloody top of a mattress

626
00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:46.480
<v Speaker 1>perhaps yep. From their detectives turned their attention to the apartment.

627
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:51.880
<v Speaker 1>Inside they found Laurie's purse, her wallet, and keys, everything

628
00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:54.240
<v Speaker 1>she would have taken with her if she'd actually gone

629
00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:57.799
<v Speaker 1>on a run that morning. I mean, how could she

630
00:33:57.839 --> 00:33:59.640
<v Speaker 1>have driven the car and parked it there? She didn't

631
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:00.000
<v Speaker 1>have her key?

632
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:04.039
<v Speaker 2>Right? Okay, Well, is this guy complete idiot? Because the

633
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:07.359
<v Speaker 2>fact that he has driven the car and parked it

634
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:09.400
<v Speaker 2>there and then there's a shit ton of blood in there,

635
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:12.039
<v Speaker 2>Like is he? Is he stupid?

636
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm sure he's somewhat cleaned the blood. They just

637
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:17.800
<v Speaker 1>found traces and it's like, oh, yeah, there's definitely blood here,

638
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:18.599
<v Speaker 1>Like maybe it was.

639
00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, like maybe like sprayed or whatever. You up?

640
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:25.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, who knows, I'm not exactly sure how much blood

641
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:27.159
<v Speaker 1>or how much they had to look. I don't know

642
00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:28.719
<v Speaker 1>if they opened the door and was like, oh shit,

643
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:30.639
<v Speaker 1>there's just a bunch of blood here, or if they

644
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:33.199
<v Speaker 1>actually had to like get down nitty gritty to find it.

645
00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:36.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm starting to get pissed at this point though.

646
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:39.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I mean, at this point, it's it was

647
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:42.440
<v Speaker 1>becoming very painfully clear that Laurie had never made it

648
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:43.400
<v Speaker 1>out the door this morning.

649
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and very like it's getting kind of obvious, like

650
00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:48.639
<v Speaker 2>if it's not him at this point, I'm going to

651
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:49.320
<v Speaker 2>be shocked.

652
00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, his officer searched the couple's bedroom. They discovered

653
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:57.320
<v Speaker 1>small spots of blood on the headboard and nightstand. Curious,

654
00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:01.159
<v Speaker 1>one of the investigators opened the nightstand drawer and inside

655
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:04.239
<v Speaker 1>was a sheathed knife. Now, Mark, who had been with

656
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:07.280
<v Speaker 1>them during the search, let on a nervous chuckle and

657
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:09.559
<v Speaker 1>quickly just kind of like said that, like brush it off.

658
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:11.519
<v Speaker 1>He's like, oh, yeah, I've owned that knife since, you know,

659
00:35:11.639 --> 00:35:15.400
<v Speaker 1>days in my boy Scouts And now, honestly, like as

660
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:18.840
<v Speaker 1>someone who like I carry a knife on me daily

661
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:22.480
<v Speaker 1>and like in my nightstand often there's there's a knife

662
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:25.679
<v Speaker 1>sitting in my knife nightstand, Like, that's not abnormal as

663
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:27.199
<v Speaker 1>far as my perspective.

664
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:31.800
<v Speaker 2>Is well, and a lot of people too have ways

665
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:34.559
<v Speaker 2>to protect themselves next to their bed, right exactly.

666
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:38.800
<v Speaker 1>However, in this case, there was something off about the knife.

667
00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:41.239
<v Speaker 1>The officer examining the blade noticed what appeared to be

668
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:47.800
<v Speaker 1>a small drop of blood and a fingerprint. At that moment,

669
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:51.079
<v Speaker 1>police knew that they needed to dig deeper. Up until

670
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:53.119
<v Speaker 1>this point, they've been conducting the search in the home

671
00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:56.760
<v Speaker 1>with Mark's permission, but now they wanted to do a

672
00:35:56.880 --> 00:36:00.320
<v Speaker 1>much thorough, much more thorough investigation, and they needed a warrant,

673
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:03.519
<v Speaker 1>so they told Mark to leave the apartment so they

674
00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:08.440
<v Speaker 1>could continue. It was clear now Mark wasn't just Laurie's

675
00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:12.599
<v Speaker 1>worried husband. He was the main and primary suspect in

676
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:15.920
<v Speaker 1>the case. Still, no one could have predicted just how

677
00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:20.639
<v Speaker 1>dark this case was about to get. On July twenty fourth,

678
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:25.760
<v Speaker 1>five days after Laurie's disappearance, Mark's father and brothers confronted him,

679
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:29.920
<v Speaker 1>demanding to know the truth, and that's when everything unraveled.

680
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:34.480
<v Speaker 1>Shortly after that, a relative of Laurie's went public, asking

681
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:39.199
<v Speaker 1>volunteers to stop searching for Laurie. Mark had just made

682
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:45.400
<v Speaker 1>an admission. No one knew exactly why he decided to

683
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:48.360
<v Speaker 1>confess at this moment, but according to him, everything started

684
00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:52.039
<v Speaker 1>on the night of July eighteenth, when Laurie confronted him

685
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:56.760
<v Speaker 1>about his lies. She had found out the truth three

686
00:36:56.840 --> 00:37:00.519
<v Speaker 1>days before she vanished on Friday, July sixteenth. Laurie had

687
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:04.159
<v Speaker 1>been seen crying at work that same day, the day

688
00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:06.920
<v Speaker 1>of their going away party. She had apparently called the

689
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:09.760
<v Speaker 1>Financial Aid office at the University of Northern Carolina in

690
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:13.519
<v Speaker 1>Chapel Hill to check on Mark's enrollment, and that's when

691
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:17.440
<v Speaker 1>she learned everything. There was no record of Mark attending

692
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:21.400
<v Speaker 1>the university. The administrator even called the American Medical College

693
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Application Service, the database for all medical medical school applicants,

694
00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:28.480
<v Speaker 1>and confirmed Mark had never even applied.

695
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

696
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Laurie was so shaken that she left work early, but

697
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:35.800
<v Speaker 1>later that night she still showed up to the going

698
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:39.679
<v Speaker 1>away party with Mark, acting as if nothing had ever happened.

699
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:44.239
<v Speaker 1>So why didn't she say anything then? Like? Why was

700
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:49.039
<v Speaker 1>it all suddenly okay? See? Mark had lied to her again.

701
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:52.679
<v Speaker 1>He told her that he had already spoken to the

702
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:55.599
<v Speaker 1>school and that there had been a simple computer error

703
00:37:56.400 --> 00:38:02.519
<v Speaker 1>regarding his application. And attendance. Laurie wasn't convinced, though she

704
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:06.280
<v Speaker 1>may have been. Her trust may have been bought for

705
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:09.840
<v Speaker 1>that evening, but she wasn't convinced for the long term.

706
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:12.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know. She probably is kind of like

707
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:15.320
<v Speaker 2>a woman of her word too, And then they were

708
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:17.599
<v Speaker 2>planning this big party, like she didn't want to let

709
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:20.639
<v Speaker 2>everyone down, so it makes sense that she would go.

710
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:24.159
<v Speaker 1>Yep. Now, before the weekend was over, she called the

711
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:27.559
<v Speaker 1>university back and left a voicemail saying that Mark had

712
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:30.840
<v Speaker 1>apparently straightened everything out, but she also made it clear

713
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:36.719
<v Speaker 1>that she wasn't entirely convinced. She ended the message with saying, quote,

714
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:39.199
<v Speaker 1>not that I don't trust my husband, but for my

715
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:44.519
<v Speaker 1>own peace of mind, I'd like to confirm everything is okay. Sadly,

716
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:47.239
<v Speaker 1>by the time the administrator heard the message on Monday morning,

717
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:49.199
<v Speaker 1>Laurie was already missing.

718
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:52.760
<v Speaker 2>Yep, Laurie was already dead.

719
00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh we don't know she's dead yet.

720
00:38:55.800 --> 00:39:00.239
<v Speaker 2>I feel like she is. Like, Okay, that's true, that's true. Up,

721
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:02.280
<v Speaker 2>that's true. I'm speculating here.

722
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:06.840
<v Speaker 1>You definitely are now. Laurie must have suspected that Mark

723
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:10.760
<v Speaker 1>was lying, because at some point she finally did confront him,

724
00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:14.559
<v Speaker 1>So she must have suspected that he's lying about the lies,

725
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:16.159
<v Speaker 1>like you know what I mean, like the lie on

726
00:39:16.239 --> 00:39:18.639
<v Speaker 1>top of it all, so she you know, confronted him

727
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:23.400
<v Speaker 1>once again. Two different neighbors later reported hearing disturbing sounds

728
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:26.719
<v Speaker 1>from their apartment that night. One heard a woman screaming

729
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:30.719
<v Speaker 1>around midnight, and another heard a man shouting. According to

730
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:34.599
<v Speaker 1>Mark's confession, after their fight, Laurie eventually went to bed.

731
00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:37.679
<v Speaker 1>He stayed up for about an hour, you know, just

732
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:41.320
<v Speaker 1>played video games, distressing, distracting his mind, whatever it was.

733
00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:46.039
<v Speaker 1>But then instead of going to sleep, he ruffled through

734
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:49.920
<v Speaker 1>some of their packed belongings and he found his twenty

735
00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:55.880
<v Speaker 1>two caliber rifle. He took it, loaded it, walked into

736
00:39:55.920 --> 00:40:05.199
<v Speaker 1>the bedroom, and shot Laurie in the head while she slept. Seriously, yeah, okay,

737
00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:09.559
<v Speaker 1>after he disposed her body. Then he disposed the gun

738
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:13.920
<v Speaker 1>and of course the bloody mattress, each in different dumpsters

739
00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:17.719
<v Speaker 1>around the city. When police reviewed the convenience store surveillance

740
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:20.760
<v Speaker 1>footage from one thirty am, the one where he entered

741
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:23.840
<v Speaker 1>alone without Lourie, uh huh, Mark had been seen buying

742
00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:27.079
<v Speaker 1>these cigarettes, but it's now believed that he was out

743
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:30.280
<v Speaker 1>getting rid of evidence at that time. In fact, even

744
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:32.519
<v Speaker 1>in the video, Mark can be seen checking his hands,

745
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:36.280
<v Speaker 1>his fingernails, and even looking at his watch. Investigators suspect

746
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:38.360
<v Speaker 1>that he was inspecting himself for traces of blood.

747
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:41.119
<v Speaker 2>What was she married to? Hey?

748
00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:41.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

749
00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:43.039
<v Speaker 2>Complete monster.

750
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:46.599
<v Speaker 1>So by the next morning, Mark had a plan. He

751
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:49.239
<v Speaker 1>went out bought a new mattress before calling the police

752
00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:51.920
<v Speaker 1>and spinning the story about Laurie going for a run

753
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:57.639
<v Speaker 1>and never coming back. But why did he kill Laurie?

754
00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:01.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, like why? That's the big question that haunted

755
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:05.320
<v Speaker 1>everyone even through the shocking confession, the story, the reality

756
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:11.079
<v Speaker 1>why it made no sense. Yes, Laurie caught Mark and lies,

757
00:41:11.079 --> 00:41:13.920
<v Speaker 1>but her family was convinced she would have forgiven him.

758
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:16.880
<v Speaker 1>In fact, her brother later said, quote, he didn't have

759
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:20.119
<v Speaker 1>to be a doctor, a president, or anything. As long

760
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:25.559
<v Speaker 1>as he was doing his best, she would have loved him. Still.

761
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:30.159
<v Speaker 1>Investigators uncovered a typewritten note in the couple's spare bedroom.

762
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:33.840
<v Speaker 1>They believe Laurie wrote it, though it's unclear exactly when,

763
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:39.119
<v Speaker 1>but in it she expressed some frustration. The letter, some

764
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:42.719
<v Speaker 1>of it at least, said this, I want to grow

765
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:45.920
<v Speaker 1>old with you, but I can't do it under these conditions.

766
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:51.719
<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine a life without you if things don't change.

767
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Hmm. And then I just realized too that she was pregnant,

768
00:41:55.880 --> 00:42:05.440
<v Speaker 2>so he killed her and his baby. Yeah, gosh, Which

769
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:08.480
<v Speaker 2>that makes it just like a hundred times worse, really,

770
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:12.079
<v Speaker 2>like it's already terrible, but the fact that she's also pregnant,

771
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:12.400
<v Speaker 2>you know.

772
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:13.719
<v Speaker 1>Eight weeks pregnant.

773
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:15.920
<v Speaker 2>I think five five?

774
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:16.880
<v Speaker 1>I believe it was five.

775
00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was very new, but still.

776
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:23.840
<v Speaker 1>I lost my spot here now, okayea, So maybe that

777
00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:27.440
<v Speaker 1>was the actual answer. Though within that letter, maybe Mark

778
00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:31.639
<v Speaker 1>realized Laurie was actually serious and that she could potentially leave,

779
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:33.800
<v Speaker 1>and that he was going to lose her, and if

780
00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:37.079
<v Speaker 1>he couldn't keep up this line any longer, maybe thought

781
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:41.239
<v Speaker 1>killing her was the only way out. On August second,

782
00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:44.840
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and four, Mark Hacking was officially arrested on

783
00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:49.480
<v Speaker 1>suspicion of aggravated murder. But even with his confession, there

784
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:52.960
<v Speaker 1>was still one thing missing from this case, the body,

785
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:57.719
<v Speaker 1>Laurie's body. With Mark's confession in hand, the search shifted

786
00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:00.159
<v Speaker 1>to the Salt Lake City landfill.

787
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh oh, you're fucking kidding me.

788
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:08.159
<v Speaker 1>Investigators believe that's where Laurie's body had ended up after

789
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:12.519
<v Speaker 1>he would have dumped her in a dumpster, but finding

790
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:18.280
<v Speaker 1>her was an overwhelming challenge. For months, search teams sifted

791
00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:22.239
<v Speaker 1>through tons of waste, using cadaver dogs and specialized equipment,

792
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:26.639
<v Speaker 1>but there was just no trace of her. Then on

793
00:43:26.679 --> 00:43:31.480
<v Speaker 1>October first, nearly three months after she vanished, they finally

794
00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:35.840
<v Speaker 1>found her. Laurie's body was severely decomposed, so much so

795
00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:40.039
<v Speaker 1>that medical examiners couldn't confirm whether she had truly been

796
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:43.679
<v Speaker 1>pregnant at the time of her death. But after months

797
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:47.119
<v Speaker 1>of uncertainty, her family finally had an answer. They could

798
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:51.079
<v Speaker 1>finally lay her to rest. When it came time for

799
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:57.519
<v Speaker 1>Mark to face justice, the punishment felt shockingly lenient. He

800
00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:01.440
<v Speaker 1>was sentenced to six to life in prison.

801
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:03.599
<v Speaker 2>What do you mean six years?

802
00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Six years to life in prison? That was so he

803
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:09.800
<v Speaker 1>could serve six or he could serve life.

804
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Man, I'm so disturbed at this point.

805
00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:16.519
<v Speaker 1>So it was the minimum sentence under Utah law at

806
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:20.079
<v Speaker 1>the time, and of course the public, I'm sure just

807
00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:23.360
<v Speaker 1>like you, was completely outraged at the possibility that he

808
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:26.000
<v Speaker 1>could only serve six years in jail. So the backlash

809
00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:28.519
<v Speaker 1>was so strong that the Utah Board of Pardons and

810
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:32.920
<v Speaker 1>Parole held a special hearing to review his sentence Good. So,

811
00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:36.320
<v Speaker 1>after reconsidering, they ruled that he would not be eligible

812
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:41.679
<v Speaker 1>for parole until twenty thirty five. So he has another

813
00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:42.559
<v Speaker 1>ten years to go.

814
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's not even enough, agreed.

815
00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:48.000
<v Speaker 1>I one, one hundred percent agree with you.

816
00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:52.320
<v Speaker 2>Like, he was married to her for five years. They

817
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:55.840
<v Speaker 2>were high school sweethearts, and he just liked like she

818
00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:57.440
<v Speaker 2>just like is a piece of garbage.

819
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:00.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he literally treated her like that. Yeah, he threw

820
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:04.159
<v Speaker 1>her in the garbage, not only her, but his potential

821
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:05.800
<v Speaker 1>child as well with her like.

822
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:08.920
<v Speaker 2>This guy, I am, I don't know. This one's got

823
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:11.079
<v Speaker 2>me here. I'm just like appalled.

824
00:45:11.960 --> 00:45:15.239
<v Speaker 1>Now. Laurie's case held a major change in the Utah

825
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:19.440
<v Speaker 1>sentencing law. The minimum penalty for aggravated murder was increased

826
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:23.599
<v Speaker 1>to fifteen years to life, a change that became known

827
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:28.679
<v Speaker 1>as Laurie's Law in her honor. In the end, Laurie's

828
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:34.519
<v Speaker 1>father made a quiet but powerful statement. He had her

829
00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:39.000
<v Speaker 1>married name removed from her headstone, leaving me her maiden

830
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:43.559
<v Speaker 1>name Good. It was as if Mark Hacking had never

831
00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:45.000
<v Speaker 1>been a part of her life at all. From that

832
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:47.840
<v Speaker 1>moment forward and after everything he did. You know what,

833
00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:50.519
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he deserves to be a part of it,

834
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:52.440
<v Speaker 1>whether it's in life or death.

835
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:56.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, that's honestly even just scary as shit, eh,

836
00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:02.039
<v Speaker 2>just to like be with someone now long and then

837
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:05.119
<v Speaker 2>bait their whole like so much lies and then he

838
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:08.360
<v Speaker 2>just like kills her. Oh it's terrifying.

839
00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:13.400
<v Speaker 1>It is. So that is the story of Laurie K. Sras. Now.

840
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<v Speaker 1>I know I said Lori k. Soras hacking and Laurie

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<v Speaker 1>hacking throughout this case because of me. Hey that was

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<v Speaker 1>her married last name, and in this title, if someone's

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<v Speaker 1>searching for it, hey, you know it's it's search words,

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<v Speaker 1>search terms and stuff. Right. Yeah, but at the end

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<v Speaker 1>here I'm referring to as Lori k SaaS good for

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<v Speaker 1>her dad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree that so strong. I feel like that

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<v Speaker 2>he did that, you know, like so like just such

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<v Speaker 2>a strong statement.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. It's not even like like it's it's very

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<v Speaker 1>passive aggressive. But I don't even think it's aggressive. I

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<v Speaker 1>just think it's very fucking passive, like, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>there's no aggression there. It's just like you don't deserve it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fuck you. Yeah, like the person that kills her,

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<v Speaker 2>killed her should not have his fucking last name on

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<v Speaker 2>the on her you know. Grave agreed that one is heavy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, isn't it? From high school sweethearts to that.

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<v Speaker 2>And this piece of shit just thinks that he can

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<v Speaker 2>buy a new mattress and like, and that's not being questioned,

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<v Speaker 2>Like he's a complete idiot.

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<v Speaker 1>Well and not only that, like the audacity to like

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<v Speaker 1>use her body functions as the scapegoat. Yeah, like he's

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<v Speaker 1>pinning it more on her.

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<v Speaker 2>And the fact, fuck you, she stayed with him, she

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<v Speaker 2>found everything. They were fighting, and she stayed there, went

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<v Speaker 2>to bed.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he still fucking killed her.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, it breaks my heart. It breaks my

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<v Speaker 2>heart this case, Holy shit.

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<v Speaker 1>All because what he wanted to smoke and have a

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<v Speaker 1>fucking hot dog, Like what the shit? Yeh didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to go to school, You just wanted to hang out

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<v Speaker 1>a convenience store, Like what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 1>No, his motive is pathetic at best.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like, I honestly just hope that to the fact

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<v Speaker 2>of thinking about him getting out of jail makes me sick.

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<v Speaker 1>Agreed, just sick. Yeah, hopefully you guys got through that one.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I'm just so disturbed right now. Also, those

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<v Speaker 2>were high school sweethearts, and I'm like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not okay. This is too relatable for me

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<v Speaker 2>and it's terrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just a little bit too close to home on

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<v Speaker 1>that one. Kind of well, and there is something else

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<v Speaker 1>that like Mark apparently, while in jail, was like secretly

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<v Speaker 1>getting like autographs out to like a true crime memorabilia

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<v Speaker 1>website where people were actually like purchasing his redship.

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<v Speaker 2>Disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>Authorities managed to put a stop to that, but he

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<v Speaker 1>still went on and like wrote a autobiography or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this guy is a complete, like piece of shit

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<v Speaker 2>menace to society. Like I am, oh, I think that

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<v Speaker 2>he is making me pretty angry from the most from

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<v Speaker 2>like recent I can't even speak.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys should see Nicole's face right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just so pissed with this guy, the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>he's trying to make money now from this Are you

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<v Speaker 2>fucking kidding me?

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<v Speaker 1>If there was a word to describe Nicole at this

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<v Speaker 1>exact moment, it is flabbergasted.

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<v Speaker 2>I am, I really am, rightfully, So, who the hell

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<v Speaker 2>does he think he is? Really? Okay, Well, I'm done

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<v Speaker 2>with him, I'm done talking about him.

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<v Speaker 1>You sure we're gonna turn this episode off and Nicole

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<v Speaker 1>is going to rant for an hour.

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<v Speaker 2>It just doesn't make sense to me that you could

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<v Speaker 2>be married to someone and you don't think that you

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<v Speaker 2>know them, and then they're actually this terrible Yeah, that's yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I've already said it's scary as shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, we're gonna go try and distress Cole. Hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>you guys enjoyed this episode If you want to check

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<v Speaker 1>out any of our links there in the description of

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast, I'll just leave it at that. Today, you

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<v Speaker 1>guys are incredible. Thank you so much for being here,

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<v Speaker 1>and until next time, stay wicked.