Speaker 1: Hi, this is Ray Brown from Owings, Maryland, and I
Speaker 1: play golf at swan Point Country Club. Welcome to Golf Smarter.
Speaker 2: Hi.
Speaker 1: This is Joe A. Spinoza from Austin, Texas and I
Speaker 1: play at Mill Creek in.
Speaker 2: Toledo, Texas.
Speaker 1: It's a Golf Smarter number one thousand, nineteen. During the
Speaker 1: pre shot routine, when you're choosing your spot, there is
Speaker 1: a course management part of playing where you absolutely want
Speaker 1: to hit it or miss it in a certain area.
Speaker 1: There's incredible amounts of strokes that can be shaved off
Speaker 1: your game simply by picking the right place to go. However,
Speaker 1: there's a moment at which you're thinking has to change
Speaker 1: from where the ball is going to end up to
Speaker 1: the task at hand, which is the only thing you
Speaker 1: can affect, which is the ball that's in front of you.
Speaker 1: So your target is actually the ball. All of the
Speaker 1: pre shot routine part is you deciding where you want
Speaker 1: to try to hit that ball, but you can't affect
Speaker 1: where it's going to go. You can't affect what's going
Speaker 1: to happen over there. You can get it started, but
Speaker 1: you can only get it started in the two feet
Speaker 1: on either side.
Speaker 2: That matters. But is the ball the target?
Speaker 1: Absolutely it is. By the time you're hitting the ball
Speaker 1: is the target.
Speaker 2: It's time to make golf fun again, starting at the
Speaker 2: ball and moving backwards with David Buck.
Speaker 1: This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from
Speaker 1: great golf minds to help you lower your score and
Speaker 1: raise your golf IQ. There's your host, Fred Green.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Golf Smarter Podcast.
Speaker 1: David, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: It's great to have you on this show. This is
Speaker 2: going to be a silly conversation. I have a feeling
Speaker 2: just for our three minutes of prap.
Speaker 1: Well, I have two languages. I've got English and I've
Speaker 1: got sarcasms. So that's that's really all I got to work.
Speaker 2: With, Bill, Well, I have just by listening to your
Speaker 2: voice a little bit, I censor your Canadian.
Speaker 1: I am Canadian, I can Leona. I can put on
Speaker 1: the Canadian accident real sharp if you want to e
Speaker 1: but I need a bit of able to do that.
Speaker 2: Well, so the English and sarcasm is actually speaking Canadian.
Speaker 1: It's just natural. We don't even hold a candle towards
Speaker 1: the Australians. They're just a level higher.
Speaker 2: So it's so true it's so true. Let's get a
Speaker 2: little bit of your background in golf so that we
Speaker 2: can establish the craziness that we're going to learn about
Speaker 2: from you in a little bit.
Speaker 1: Sure. So, basically, I used to play baseball, and my
Speaker 1: brother broke his knee playing baseball, and I really didn't
Speaker 1: want to do what my brother did. You know, you
Speaker 1: try to learn from your elders. And I didn't want
Speaker 1: to play a sport like football or hockey or baseball.
Speaker 1: I was going to get hurt, so I quit the
Speaker 1: baseball and a buddy of mine this in the seventh grade,
Speaker 1: when I was thirteen years old, said well, I got
Speaker 1: a junior membership the course of summer. It's three hundred bucks.
Speaker 1: My mom's driving me out anyways, why don't you come
Speaker 1: join me. I never played golf before. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is going back a few years. This is in the
Speaker 1: early nineties, and a golf at that point was a
Speaker 1: you know, it was the nerd game. It's like, nobody
Speaker 1: plays golf unless you got.
Speaker 2: Just before Tiger Both at the scene it was.
Speaker 1: Greg Norman era, right, and it was it was uh yeah,
Speaker 1: and I mean titleist was was on the forefront. They
Speaker 1: were just I started still using bellattas and DT wounds.
Speaker 1: So when the prov came out that was that was
Speaker 1: quite a thing. But we played all summer, and then
Speaker 1: we played all summer next summer, and then we thought, hey,
Speaker 1: well maybe I should, you know, get a coach and
Speaker 1: start doing this more seriously. And we made some really
Speaker 1: good decisions in there. And I'm sure I don't know
Speaker 1: about you. I'm only five seven, and I mean, especially
Speaker 1: back in the day, we didn't have distance, we didn't
Speaker 1: have distance clinics teaching you how to hit it further.
Speaker 1: You had what you had, and you played it. And
Speaker 1: I hit the ball about two hundred and sixty yards
Speaker 1: and hit driver everywhere. And my my parents sat down
Speaker 1: and said, you know what, I you know, I think
Speaker 1: you've got something here, But don't play tournaments yet, don't
Speaker 1: don't get in with the guys who are physically bigger
Speaker 1: than you. And so we took an entire year there
Speaker 1: at sixteen and played no tournaments and did nothing but
Speaker 1: practiced some drills and short game and putting and playing.
Speaker 1: And by the time I was seventeen started playing tournaments.
Speaker 1: I was I jumped right up into the Canadian junior
Speaker 1: rankings and was playing the Canadian Juniors and then qualified
Speaker 1: for the World Juniors for two years or he's going
Speaker 1: back for you two or three years, played Overseas a
Speaker 1: little bit over and over in Asia as a junior,
Speaker 1: even got some invites to some things over there. Went
Speaker 1: to school in California and had a very short stay
Speaker 1: at the school due to some disagreements between the coach
Speaker 1: and I and turn Pro. From there my brother. My
Speaker 1: brother was out playing chasing mini tours and Monday qualifiers
Speaker 1: at that point, so I went out and joined him
Speaker 1: and turn Pro ended up playing for three years and
Speaker 1: it was absolutely wonderful and learned all sorts of stuff
Speaker 1: and had incredible heartbreak and incredible triumph and all the
Speaker 1: things that golf golf gives to you. Uh. Then then
Speaker 1: I I I left it. I left it and and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, as I say, I left it in a
Speaker 1: way that I wasn't, you know, I was. I made
Speaker 1: the choice. It was my choice, but it was you know,
Speaker 1: you look back on it and say, ah, what if
Speaker 1: you could have thin done things differently? And I gave
Speaker 1: up the game completely for a number of years, and
Speaker 1: then you know, you get to a point where you're
Speaker 1: not able to do what you used to be able
Speaker 1: to do. And so that's just it's just it's just frustration.
Speaker 1: And so it took me a few years to learn
Speaker 1: to enjoy the game again, and I did, And long
Speaker 1: story short, now, I mean there's no place I would
Speaker 1: rather be than on the first T, not the eighteenth green,
Speaker 1: because then the rounds over the first T, you know,
Speaker 1: the with the with the upcoming ground of go. But
Speaker 1: you know, through my through my teaching, through my experience,
Speaker 1: you know, I think the things a little bit differently
Speaker 1: maybe than some. And I've had I had a few
Speaker 1: instans is in my career where I got you know,
Speaker 1: I got a five minute lesson from somebody that changed
Speaker 1: my golfing life. And well it's not it's not a
Speaker 1: matter of complicated. It's a matter of being able to
Speaker 1: understand what has to happen here and allowing our bodies
Speaker 1: to actually do it. So now I play golf. I
Speaker 1: raised my kids up there are nine and twelve, and
Speaker 1: learn how to play pretty well if you ask me.
Speaker 1: But I am biased, and I coach others and help people,
Speaker 1: and my main, my main goal is to help people
Speaker 1: enjoy the game more so if that means enjoying the
Speaker 1: game more through lower strokes, fantastic. If it means enjoying
Speaker 1: the game by stopping the shanks or curing the yips,
Speaker 1: then great, fantastic. If it means that we were talking
Speaker 1: about before we start, you're the mental hurdle of getting through.
Speaker 1: You know, Hey, this thing's got to get to there somehow,
Speaker 1: and I want to do it more joyfully. It's the
Speaker 1: best place in the world when you have contentment and
Speaker 1: joy also, but it can also be the worst place
Speaker 1: when you're frustrated and shanking it into the woods. Of course, anyways,
Speaker 1: that gives you, That gives little synopsis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like I, you know, not the eighteenth green.
Speaker 2: I've always felt like seventeenth t is like, to me,
Speaker 2: the most depressing thing. We're almost I don't want to
Speaker 2: I don't want to go home. I like it here.
Speaker 1: Let me play another eighteen?
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, No, not anymore. Cannot do thirty six in
Speaker 2: a day? What Wait, what happened to you? You went
Speaker 2: on and became a competitive and good golfer. But what
Speaker 2: happened to that first friend who invited you out? He
Speaker 2: got the three hundred dollars and his mom was driving.
Speaker 1: Yeah, parted ways. We parted ways as at about eighteen.
Speaker 1: And it's funny. I've reached out to him a couple
Speaker 1: of times but haven't heard back. He's now a lawyer,
Speaker 1: and even if you go to his website, he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do you know, I do laf for for big
Speaker 1: corporation litigation and in my off time, I'm working on
Speaker 1: my golf game.
Speaker 2: Still he's still working on it.
Speaker 1: The most entertaining thing about the whole thing is it
Speaker 1: does not matter what level of golf you're at. If
Speaker 1: you're a beginner junior year in two, three, four, or
Speaker 1: you're a seasoned pro or you know, I've had a
Speaker 1: lifetime of golf. You hear something and you're like, I
Speaker 1: gotta go try it out. And I remember one time
Speaker 1: this guy, this guy, we were seventeen years old, and
Speaker 1: we were on the first tea and he had read
Speaker 1: somewhere in Golf Digest or something that you should have
Speaker 1: your your feet open a little bit more. And he's like, guys,
Speaker 1: I finally figured out how to cure my hook. I've
Speaker 1: got it. I've figured it out. And he stands up
Speaker 1: on the first tee and his feet were splayed almost
Speaker 1: fully open right down.
Speaker 2: Balat position, ballets first position.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're laughing before he's even started, just kind
Speaker 1: of chuckling underneath our breath. And he stands up on
Speaker 1: the tee there and he rope hooks one like sixty
Speaker 1: yards to the left, out of bounds into the driving right.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, maybe i'n't fixed it yet.
Speaker 2: You talked about the lows and the highs, but you
Speaker 2: said in edible triumphs, share that.
Speaker 1: I got to share the first one with you. And
Speaker 1: the first one happened when I was sixteen years old
Speaker 1: and I was playing shally they paid played the ninety
Speaker 1: seven PGA Championship there there was I was. This was
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight and we were playing a pro am
Speaker 1: there and I was an am obviously, I was a
Speaker 1: junior at the time, and I double bogie the first
Speaker 1: hole after hitting just a beautiful shot right over the flagstick,
Speaker 1: pried in the back bunker, and you know, didn't get
Speaker 1: a long story, short part of the second hole, bogie
Speaker 1: the third hole, I'm three over part. From then on
Speaker 1: went on to make seven birdies in an albatross, won
Speaker 1: the tournament by four strokes.
Speaker 2: And that which hole.
Speaker 1: Part It was fifteen number number fifteen, Part five. I
Speaker 1: went driver, Driver, Driver into the cup.
Speaker 2: Driver driver. You had driver into the cup from how
Speaker 2: far away.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna say it was probably two sixty five
Speaker 1: low off hill, front left pin pulass placement. I watched
Speaker 1: it go in, and you know, I watched it go
Speaker 1: in and it's like your eyes, you don't believe it.
Speaker 1: And so the guys are back there in the fairway,
Speaker 1: you know, hit, I said, guys, I think that went in.
Speaker 1: I just start running up to the.
Speaker 2: Hole and driver off the deck right.
Speaker 1: I'm playing. I found one online. I found on an
Speaker 1: eBay an old driver, the one that I had, and
Speaker 1: it was called a speed slot and it was.
Speaker 2: Great driver.
Speaker 1: It was fantastic.
Speaker 2: I had a little bit heard about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had this little like low point on it. It
Speaker 1: was really easy to hit off the deck. I watched
Speaker 1: it go in, ran up there, I'm by myself, there's
Speaker 1: nobody around, looked down into the cup there and is
Speaker 1: sitting right there the next hole. And my dad was
Speaker 1: in the same group that because it was a pro
Speaker 1: am thing. So it was a group of us from
Speaker 1: one club coming up to play, and so in the
Speaker 1: sixteenth hole is a downhill dog leg right. I had
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty five yards left, which was a
Speaker 1: six iron for me at that point, and pen was
Speaker 1: back right on the next hole, and my dad whispered, assuming,
Speaker 1: let's see what you really made of now, And I
Speaker 1: remember standing over that ball still is one of the
Speaker 1: best shots I've ever hit. Yeah, I just made albatrosses hole.
Speaker 1: But that next I piped it down the middle. I
Speaker 1: had one hundred and sixty five left. I had a
Speaker 1: little choke down punch cut six iron. Just it was
Speaker 1: I knew it. I mean even when he was said it,
Speaker 1: he's like, I said, no, it's this is going to
Speaker 1: be perfect. I'm not going to miss this. This is
Speaker 1: and those moments, those moments when you're on the course
Speaker 1: and everything's just easy. Oh so anyways, that was my
Speaker 1: first professional win, even though I wasn't professional at the time,
Speaker 1: and I had Yeah, I had twelve professional wins over
Speaker 1: the time, usually small events. But the you know, the
Speaker 1: joy of winning never never ceases. Where there's whether there's
Speaker 1: three hundred people in the field or ten.
Speaker 2: So is it an amazing how one shot can just
Speaker 2: lock into your memory forever?
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, and and and unfortunately it goes the other
Speaker 1: way too. There's some some shots that have locked in
Speaker 1: the wrong way to do there was let me give
Speaker 1: you the flip side of that. For whatever reason, and
Speaker 1: tournament play me teeing off of the three wood never worked.
Speaker 1: I couldn't hit the tea the three wood just in
Speaker 1: the first hole, whatever the pressure was. I could hit
Speaker 1: an iron, I could hit I could hit it, I
Speaker 1: get hit it in a part of three I hit driver,
Speaker 1: but I couldn't hit three wood. I always top it, Okay,
Speaker 1: And I'm planning this event down in Louisiana, and sure enough,
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, the play is of three wood. I'll
Speaker 1: play the three wood. I got to get over this thing.
Speaker 1: It's not a big deal. It was a titleist nine
Speaker 1: to seventy two, the little red, gray and red lined
Speaker 1: title of three wood. And I hit it, and of
Speaker 1: course I topped it. Didn't even get to the white
Speaker 1: teas like. It was just awful. And the tournament organizer
Speaker 1: says to the guy. There's a guy standing next to
Speaker 1: the tournament organizer, and he says, why do you like,
Speaker 1: why do you let guys like this play in these events?
Speaker 1: Like this is, this is, this is kind of embarrassing,
Speaker 1: and the tournament organizer says to him, you just watch,
Speaker 1: he'll come in with the sixty seven. I'm sure I
Speaker 1: came in with the sixty seventh, but yes, I can
Speaker 1: still feel all of those tops off the first team.
Speaker 1: It's probably only five times I took a three foot
Speaker 1: off the tee because of that. But they burn both ways.
Speaker 2: The great shots are always worth talking about. The bad
Speaker 2: shots linger in your head and terrify you when you're
Speaker 2: coming up to a similar shot or something, and people
Speaker 2: are always oh, I, always oh I every time you
Speaker 2: know my three? Would I top it? And you know,
Speaker 2: you get that stuff going in your head. And I'm
Speaker 2: always trying to remind my friends, hey, history has nothing
Speaker 2: to do with your next shot. Just you do your
Speaker 2: swing the way you do you and don't think about that.
Speaker 2: How do we prevent that? How do we keep our
Speaker 2: minds straight without getting nuts about that stuff?
Speaker 1: I could probably touch on that now a few years later.
Speaker 2: Please do.
Speaker 1: One of the greats. And this I cannot I can't
Speaker 1: find who said it, but it was not me said
Speaker 1: when pressure picks up, the process takes over. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've heard that over the years. Bytimes, pressure
Speaker 1: is a fear of the unknown. It's either we haven't
Speaker 1: been in that situation before, we haven't prepared for that situation.
Speaker 1: There's unknowns that we don't know. And I relate it
Speaker 1: back to skydiving. First time you go skydiving I've ever been,
Speaker 1: it's really scary. I mean, you're jumping out of a plane,
Speaker 1: trusting a parachute to take you to the ground. But
Speaker 1: the hundredth time that you've done it, and you've learned
Speaker 1: how to pack your shoot, and you know where all
Speaker 1: the cords are, and you know what it's going to
Speaker 1: feel like when you jump out of the plane and
Speaker 1: how long you're going to be in the air, and
Speaker 1: how to breathe with the wind coming in your face,
Speaker 1: and there's no more unknowns, there's no fear. So that
Speaker 1: knowledge actually conquers the fear and it is able to
Speaker 1: take over to the point where you can do crazy
Speaker 1: stuff not being afraid because you have enough knowledge to
Speaker 1: take over. But you see these guys that are seasoned
Speaker 1: pros in the Ryder Cup coming down the stretch at
Speaker 1: Majors in an unknown position that they hadn't prepared for.
Speaker 1: That they have questions that haven't answered. Maybe the question
Speaker 1: is am I going to hit at a club further
Speaker 1: because I'm jew straight now? Or is it? You know,
Speaker 1: there's there's unknowns. But if you get there enough times
Speaker 1: and you and you do the same thing over and
Speaker 1: over enough, that allows you to overcome the fear and
Speaker 1: the pressure and be able to focus on the thing
Speaker 1: they actually have focused on. So for me, when I
Speaker 1: when I explain this to people, which is strangely quite
Speaker 1: often because the mental game is such a huge part
Speaker 1: of golf. It comes in the pre shot routine and
Speaker 1: the repetition of that pre shout routine over and over
Speaker 1: and over, and you're trusting the process of getting the
Speaker 1: ball so that when you're over the ball, all you're
Speaker 1: thinking is center of the ball, center to club face,
Speaker 1: hit them. I can do that. What I can't do
Speaker 1: is listen to the crowd and the situation. And you know,
Speaker 1: I've got a I've got a putt for If I
Speaker 1: make this putt, I will. Oh. Now you've added more
Speaker 1: stuff into your mind. You've added more details that you
Speaker 1: have don't have answers for, and that causes stress, which
Speaker 1: causes pressure, and as you know, at tension is the
Speaker 1: killer of the golf game. So with the knowledge of
Speaker 1: being able to answer all of your questions before you
Speaker 1: get up there where club wind, where you want to
Speaker 1: hit it, where it's going to land, what you're trying
Speaker 1: to do, make those decisions. You don't have to think
Speaker 1: about them anymore. Then you go through your process of
Speaker 1: lining up, which all happens very quickly as you're going
Speaker 1: through your pre shot routine. I know I'm lined up,
Speaker 1: I know my club face is square, I know what
Speaker 1: shot I'm hitting. There's no more questions I have. All
Speaker 1: I have to do is center of ball, center of face.
Speaker 2: We don't doubt our process. What gets into our head
Speaker 2: is results right, and that's what gets in the way
Speaker 2: of process. Well we have we do all our process,
Speaker 2: and we do it right, and all of a sudden
Speaker 2: you're shanking it or you're you know, it's gone in
Speaker 2: the way. It can do any number of things. And
Speaker 2: I also have a yabbut for your skydiver. Okay, with golf,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of mistakes that can be in your
Speaker 2: memory bank about what's going to happen next. But the
Speaker 2: yabbo for the sky driver, the skydiver is one bat
Speaker 2: one mistake, and he's not going to remember what he's
Speaker 2: doing because he ain't doing it again. So let's let's
Speaker 2: leave the skydiving to someone else. It's not Golf is
Speaker 2: worrisome and stressful, but it's not hopefully not dangerous to
Speaker 2: hope not.
Speaker 1: But I'm pretty sure a few of us have been
Speaker 1: hit by arron golf balls over the years.
Speaker 2: But knock on wood, so far not yet.
Speaker 1: Oh good for you.
Speaker 2: You mean you have Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a few people in my family who have
Speaker 1: been hit by golf.
Speaker 2: I live next to a I have a golf hole
Speaker 2: right here, I'm right in driving range, and I get
Speaker 2: balls all the time. And luckily, in the thirteen years
Speaker 2: we've lived here, only one person's been hit and it
Speaker 2: was just a brush off of a bounce, so brush
Speaker 2: on their arm off the bount So so far, so
Speaker 2: good on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yes, you're right, there are yabbuts, and it's
Speaker 1: hard because we're human. We get stuff in our minds,
Speaker 1: we get we want to win, and then we change
Speaker 1: our target. We change our target from the ball that's
Speaker 1: in front of us to the pin that's over there,
Speaker 1: or I haven't forbid the water that's left of that
Speaker 1: that's typically where.
Speaker 2: So you're really big on making golf fun again, right,
Speaker 2: and many methods to do that. But I need some
Speaker 2: advice and I'm glad you're here to help me out
Speaker 2: on this because just today my wife, who doesn't play golf,
Speaker 2: she's she's taken a golf lesson for twelve she's played
Speaker 2: nine holes a couple times, but she doesn't really have
Speaker 2: a lot of interest in playing golf. She likes to
Speaker 2: hike and I like, and I say all the time,
Speaker 2: I like to hike too, just every so often I
Speaker 2: want to hit something right, so I walk when I
Speaker 2: play golf today and is she listening now? Okay, today
Speaker 2: she announces to me, I want to play golf with
Speaker 2: you again. I would like to go back now. I'm
Speaker 2: interested in going back out and playing with you again.
Speaker 2: I'm like, but you know, we've got a net back here.
Speaker 2: We can we can work a little bit on the net,
Speaker 2: and you know, have you take a call? No, no, no,
Speaker 2: I just want to go out. It's just to have fun.
Speaker 2: I don't want lessons. I just and I'm happy to
Speaker 2: pick up the ball. How do I make that fun
Speaker 2: for me? How to give me some advice of what
Speaker 2: I can do to not get caught up because I'm
Speaker 2: not going to give lessons during the round. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: good shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't want your lessons spread.
Speaker 2: So no, no, no, no, absolutely not. I'm a big advocate
Speaker 2: of keeping with your kid or your spouse, keep your
Speaker 2: mouth shut when you're out on the golf course.
Speaker 1: Just you know, I'm going to have to jump into
Speaker 1: a philosophical rant than bread.
Speaker 2: Go for it, David, let's do it.
Speaker 1: It all has to do with your expectations. And you
Speaker 1: go out on a golf course and it's just you
Speaker 1: or you and the guys. You have a certain expectation
Speaker 1: what's going to happen during the round. You're going to
Speaker 1: go play. You're trying to, you know, beat your best score.
Speaker 1: You're trying to, you know, make pars, you're trying to
Speaker 1: hit good shots. You're jabbering about each other's golf shots.
Speaker 1: And then there's a certain, shall we say, environ that
Speaker 1: goes with playing with the guys. I have recently spent
Speaker 1: quite a bit of time beside golf courses just listening
Speaker 1: to groups, going by the language, the sarcasm, the jabbing,
Speaker 1: the ribbing that happens in these golf groups is very,
Speaker 1: very strong and prominent until you get a husband and
Speaker 1: wife with another husband and wife coming by, and then
Speaker 1: there's no more ribbing, and there's no more jabbing, and
Speaker 1: then there's no more yelling at each other as they
Speaker 1: hit a terrible shot and topped it into the bunker.
Speaker 1: It's a much different environment one group to the next,
Speaker 1: and your fun has to be based on your choice
Speaker 1: of what fun looks like to you out there with
Speaker 1: your wife. So for her, as she says, happy to
Speaker 1: pick up, so you say, okay, look, your fun is
Speaker 1: I'm going hiking and I'm hitting a few balls, and
Speaker 1: I'm spending time with my husband, which means walking to
Speaker 1: my ball, and you set parameters around her golfing as okay,
Speaker 1: the main point is we keep up to the group
Speaker 1: in front of us, which means if that means skipping
Speaker 1: a hole and walking along with me, if it means
Speaker 1: hitting more shots, if we're waiting, hey sweet, hit a
Speaker 1: few more shots around the green and try putting it
Speaker 1: into the hole. From here, your fun becomes I'm choosing
Speaker 1: to enjoy this time with my wife and we get
Speaker 1: to hit a few golf balls while we're at it,
Speaker 1: but I would strongly recommend not to keep score during
Speaker 1: that round.
Speaker 2: For you, Fred, that's the advice I'm looking for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just keep just enjoy it. And my wife's actually
Speaker 1: right over there, probably laughing at me at the same time,
Speaker 1: because she too brought I took up golf as our
Speaker 1: youngest nine year old when he started about five or six.
Speaker 1: She's like, well, if I don't play golf, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get left behind. So she started playing as well, and
Speaker 1: it's very similar. I mean she for many many rounds
Speaker 1: it's pretty bad. Couldn't get off the tea, couldn't hit
Speaker 1: it in the fairway. And just this year and just
Speaker 1: this springtime, she's been hitting drives nicely. Now we just
Speaker 1: got her a lighter three wood that she's able to
Speaker 1: hit off the ground. She can put Uh, just learned
Speaker 1: how to chip this year. So she played four years
Speaker 1: not knowing how to chip and just putting it everywhere.
Speaker 1: But being with us learning how to play, and it's
Speaker 1: not even so much learning how to play, for it's
Speaker 1: just like a little bit of joy hitting the ball
Speaker 1: or not hitting it on the water in this hole,
Speaker 1: or having colored balls that she gets to play with
Speaker 1: instead of it's it's a different it's a different expectation,
Speaker 1: but it's the same game. So if you set your
Speaker 1: expectation of I get to spend time with my wife
Speaker 1: today and we're outside and hiking and hitting some golf balls,
Speaker 1: you you will have fun.
Speaker 2: Are you your wife making suggestions in the background?
Speaker 1: Jump jump in, poke your head in what's.
Speaker 3: I would say that for years, there's a difference. Even
Speaker 3: when I'm with my kids, there's a difference and a
Speaker 3: game that I'm working on my game, and there's a
Speaker 3: difference on the game that I'm having fun with the people.
Speaker 1: I'm with, Okay, and so there's a.
Speaker 3: Social game and then there's a work like a try
Speaker 3: to get exercising game where yeah, I'm working on my
Speaker 3: shots and I'm trying to get better. And so what
Speaker 3: I'm playing with my kids sometimes if one of them
Speaker 3: is in a bad attitude or whatever, then that's the sort. No,
Speaker 3: never a social game, and I just enjoy the ride
Speaker 3: with my family. I'm out doing the thing that he loves,
Speaker 3: the thing that my oldest son loves, that we as
Speaker 3: a family enjoy. That's the only sport in the world
Speaker 3: that you can do together with your level of golf
Speaker 3: and with her level of golf, and do it together
Speaker 3: and just enjoy the time together.
Speaker 1: That date, if you guys level it up and say, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go for a golf trip to like
Speaker 1: we we had one to Gray Wolf in Panorama, BC,
Speaker 1: up on the mountains. Okay, I guess what They've got
Speaker 1: a spa?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh, we know the spa, a golf course.
Speaker 1: This ear and there's bears and there's birds, and it's
Speaker 1: it is a hike. Yeah, so then it becomes an
Speaker 1: actual outdoor hiking adventure with golf clubs. I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's a As long as you set your expectations straight,
Speaker 1: you can very easily have fun with it.
Speaker 2: One of the things that you like to profess, David,
Speaker 2: is talking about making golf easier and fun. Let's go there.
Speaker 2: Sure I need these tips to bring those along with me. H.
Speaker 1: Golf is actually quite a simple game. It is. I
Speaker 1: relate it is a lot. But at the same time, just.
Speaker 2: Get rid of your scorecard.
Speaker 1: Right, you've already said that's only step one. Friend. No,
Speaker 1: the when you step on to a tennis court or
Speaker 1: a ping pong table never does it end to your
Speaker 1: mind as the ball is coming at you being served
Speaker 1: by the other person. Okay, let me make sure that
Speaker 1: I keep my head still as the ball is coming
Speaker 1: towards me, that I drop my k help over here. No,
Speaker 1: there's a flat surface that's in your hand, and there's
Speaker 1: a round ball that's coming at you, and you think
Speaker 1: round ball, flat surface, hit it that direction. Same with baseball.
Speaker 1: You got a flat surface in a bat and the
Speaker 1: ball coming at you, and then you try to connect
Speaker 1: the two and make it go a certain direction. Ping
Speaker 1: pong is the same thing, and the same principles apply
Speaker 1: to golf if we don't let all of the other
Speaker 1: stuff come in now. Don't get me wrong. That doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that I think that all you know in depth
Speaker 1: technical instruction is bad. There's a certain level at which
Speaker 1: you want that technical instruction. However, if that comes into
Speaker 1: your game too early, or or you start technicalizing. See
Speaker 1: that's an English word is made up there. Check it
Speaker 1: the golf swing where you don't need to. You need
Speaker 1: to come right back down to the two feet on
Speaker 1: either side of the ball that actually matters. There's a
Speaker 1: flat surface, there's a round ball, and the only thing
Speaker 1: that matters is where that flat surface is pointing when
Speaker 1: you hit it, and the path at which it's coming
Speaker 1: through on. Those are the only two things in the
Speaker 1: golf that actually affect what you're doing. Yes, I realize
Speaker 1: there's descent angle, and there's spin right, and there's a flight,
Speaker 1: But for ninety five percent of golfers around the world,
Speaker 1: the direction that the club face is pointing and the
Speaker 1: way it's moving through the ball. Okay, we have to
Speaker 1: remember that where the club face is pointing is always
Speaker 1: where the ball is going to start. And then the
Speaker 1: path that the club is coming through on is going
Speaker 1: to apply right to left spin or left, right spin,
Speaker 1: right to left or lever you know, one of the
Speaker 1: spins either way, and it's going to spin from there,
Speaker 1: which means somebody says, oh, well, I hit everything right. Fantastic.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad to hear it. You're telling me that
Speaker 1: you're consistent. Everything is going to the right. All you
Speaker 1: have to do is spin the club in your hands
Speaker 1: so that the face is pointing more to the left.
Speaker 1: Do the exact same thing that you were just doing,
Speaker 1: and then it's going to start to the left. Oh well,
Speaker 1: it's starting to look too far to the left.
Speaker 2: Fantastic. Now we well, if your ball goes to the right,
Speaker 2: then't aim left right right.
Speaker 1: But it's not even so much like aiming your body
Speaker 1: left as it is. No when we start to think
Speaker 1: round ball, our bodies can actually do that. What we
Speaker 1: can't do is say, Okay, when I get to the top,
Speaker 1: I'm going to try to get a little higher with
Speaker 1: my hands, and then just as I am transitioning to
Speaker 1: the downswing, I'm going to drop the right elbow and
Speaker 1: tuck down. And here we can't figure that out fast
Speaker 1: enough in the swing. But what we can figure out
Speaker 1: is flat surface ball go that way. Yeah, And if
Speaker 1: we start there and then just apply speed to it
Speaker 1: and go longer and longer and longer, and try to
Speaker 1: realize that everything else that we're doing is just applying
Speaker 1: speed to those that two feet on either then we
Speaker 1: can start to build our own swing around the part
Speaker 1: of the swing that matters, the impact position, that the
Speaker 1: hitting of the ball in a certain direction.
Speaker 2: And visualizing it, not thinking about, not thinking about the
Speaker 2: mechanics during the swing of what you're supposed to be doing.
Speaker 2: That's like all pre shot routine. Think about what you
Speaker 2: need to do this step up to the ball and
Speaker 2: think about a target somewhere else. You know, are you
Speaker 2: one of those that likes to play target golf and
Speaker 2: not think about just hitting the ball, but where the
Speaker 2: ball is supposed to end up. Yes and no, let's
Speaker 2: stay with yes for now. I want During the.
Speaker 1: Pre shot routine, when you're choosing your spot, there is
Speaker 1: a course management part of playing where you absolutely want
Speaker 1: to hit it or miss it in a certain area.
Speaker 1: There's incredible amounts of strokes that can be shaved off
Speaker 1: your game simply by picking the right place to go. However,
Speaker 1: there is a moment at which you're thinking has to
Speaker 1: change from where the ball is going to end up
Speaker 1: to the task at hand, which is the only thing
Speaker 1: you can affect, which is the ball that's in front
Speaker 1: of you. So your target is actually the ball. All
Speaker 1: of the pre shot routine part is you deciding where
Speaker 1: you want to try to hit that ball, but you
Speaker 1: can't affect where it's going to go. You can't affect
Speaker 1: what's going to happen over there.
Speaker 2: You can get it started, but you.
Speaker 1: Can only get it started in the two feet on
Speaker 1: either side. That matters.
Speaker 2: But is the ball the target?
Speaker 1: Absolutely it is. By the time you're hitting. The ball
Speaker 1: is the target. Now, that doesn't mean that I'm not
Speaker 1: aiming specifically at a corner of a bunker on the
Speaker 1: right side of the green, but that's where that switch
Speaker 1: has to happen. And so in that pre shot routine,
Speaker 1: you go from Okay, I want exactly on that spot,
Speaker 1: this is the shot that I want. This is my
Speaker 1: interim target that I'm aiming for, and I bring everything
Speaker 1: back down into the actual target that I can affect,
Speaker 1: which is right in front of me, and that I
Speaker 1: can do. And then that's the beautiful thing about the
Speaker 1: game of golf is it's a lottery. Every time you
Speaker 1: strike it, it's like, oh, let's see where it gets to
Speaker 1: go this time. Oh no, I've buried myself in the
Speaker 1: face of the bunker and now have to So yes,
Speaker 1: I realized that's a little unconventional because there, you know,
Speaker 1: there's some really great instructors and there's some great teaching
Speaker 1: that through the years of of you know, the Harvey panic,
Speaker 1: take dead aim at at where you're trying to hit it,
Speaker 1: and I understand that, but there's this disconnect between where
Speaker 1: the ball ends up and what we actually have to do,
Speaker 1: and it's hundreds of yards apart, and I think it
Speaker 1: becomes a lot easier if your actual task is hit
Speaker 1: the thing that's in front of you as opposed to
Speaker 1: try to connect with something that's hundreds of yards away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, excellent, excellent, And you know you may unconventional. And
Speaker 2: we just had Eric Alpinfels from Pinehurst is the head
Speaker 2: instructor at Pinehurst and his book Instinct Putting where talk
Speaker 2: about unconventional. He's talking about looking at the hole when
Speaker 2: you're putting and not looking at the ball. Have you
Speaker 2: ever had experience with that?
Speaker 1: I have tried it, and putting is the great mystery
Speaker 1: of the game. It is it is look at the
Speaker 1: hole and get it in fantastic do that? Yeah right,
Speaker 1: you can close your eyes and put fantastic thing almost
Speaker 1: the same thing, right right. I have over the years
Speaker 1: struggled with the y word and I'm sorry, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: part of life, right, yeah, and so.
Speaker 2: Much so that you can't even see the word.
Speaker 1: No, I can't, that's the yips. But listeners that might do.
Speaker 2: Like they're driving and all of a sudden you said
Speaker 2: the word yips.
Speaker 1: And they're like crash. I didn't want to I don't
Speaker 1: want to be uh, I want to cause the wreck
Speaker 1: on the I five, But no, it's that that's truth,
Speaker 1: and you got to approach things with truth in life.
Speaker 1: So yes, I've had I've struggled to the yips over
Speaker 1: the years. It was once so bad when I was
Speaker 1: in my playing days that back when you could use
Speaker 1: long putters, it was so bad that I actually tried
Speaker 1: pinning the long putter to my neck and bending over
Speaker 1: and just trying to move my body in any kind
Speaker 1: of way to get the ball going. Now it's it's
Speaker 1: way better, uh than it used to be. In fact,
Speaker 1: I can play golf without them now. But I strongly
Speaker 1: believe that that the yips, the shanks, that kind of
Speaker 1: stuff is all to do with the miscommunication between our
Speaker 1: eyes and our body, you know, our our our head,
Speaker 1: our head actually tilts and moves in ways where we
Speaker 1: think we're aimed somewhere, but we're not act aimed there,
Speaker 1: and there's a miscommunication between our eyes and our body.
Speaker 1: But we can you know, that's a that's a topic
Speaker 1: for another day. But yeah, I know there's there's a
Speaker 1: there's a number of guys I know speak used the
Speaker 1: look at the whole method for quite some time and
Speaker 1: seem to seem to win. You know quite a number
Speaker 1: of events doing that, and so that's fantastic. If you
Speaker 1: can do it, fantastic, go for it.
Speaker 2: Do it. Talk again about unconventional and things that you've
Speaker 2: brought up to me in our email exchange. You are
Speaker 2: an advocate is the word that I want to use
Speaker 2: for single length irons, A practitioner.
Speaker 1: I am both, okay, Keeping in mind, I don't try
Speaker 1: to force any specific idea on anybody other than trying
Speaker 1: to help them get what they want. What I want.
Speaker 1: I want consistency. I want to be able to get
Speaker 1: up to a ball, know where I'm hitting it, aim
Speaker 1: that direction, and hit it. If that means, here's my crazy.
Speaker 1: But if that means for me that I'm five yards
Speaker 1: shorter with each of my irons, or five yards longer,
Speaker 1: or if I have to play with a different grip
Speaker 1: that's not accepted by the majority, or I have to
Speaker 1: aim right and pull left, or I have to aim
Speaker 1: left and pull right, it doesn't really matter to me
Speaker 1: as long as I know that when I get to
Speaker 1: the ball, I'm going to hit it a direction, and
Speaker 1: I wanted to go that direction, and my best playing
Speaker 1: in my lifetime, I was. I was averaging fourteen greens around.
Speaker 1: I did make a lot of birdies, Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: I was middle of the greens. I could two putt
Speaker 1: from everywhere and some of them would go in. So
Speaker 1: let's call it three or four birdies around, very rarely bogies,
Speaker 1: almost never double bogies. Certainly, like the three putts were.
Speaker 1: Speed putting was a fortape and that consistent and knowing.
Speaker 1: I remember being able to stand in the fairway and
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, well there's a little gap there that
Speaker 1: I can hit. I'm going to hit it there. That's
Speaker 1: where I want it to go, and it would just
Speaker 1: go there because I could do that. I believe that
Speaker 1: the more clubs that you have in your bag that
Speaker 1: are the same length and weight, the less variables you
Speaker 1: have in your clubs. Okay, I know full well when
Speaker 1: I'm playing, Okay, i have seven sets of golf clubs
Speaker 1: in my garage. I'm crazy, and I probably need another one.
Speaker 2: And how many of them are single length?
Speaker 1: I've got two sets that single or and those are
Speaker 1: the ones I play. Okay, keep you eye when I
Speaker 1: say advocate, I am actually playing those. I'm playing them
Speaker 1: in events I'm playing them in tournaments. I love them. Okay.
Speaker 1: I have one ten club single length set which is
Speaker 1: lob wedge to four iron, and these are both the
Speaker 1: both these sets are a Voda Golf irons and so
Speaker 1: those are those are all seven iron length lob wedge
Speaker 1: through four iron. Then I have a second set which
Speaker 1: is lob wedge through eight iron that are that are
Speaker 1: all nine iron length, and then seven, six, five, four
Speaker 1: are progressively longer. Okay, so let me let me just
Speaker 1: talk about the concept here first. Any experience with it,
Speaker 1: m when I'm playing the same length ten club seven
Speaker 1: iron length things. There is a level of accuracy and
Speaker 1: predictability that comes with all of the clubs that you
Speaker 1: cannot understand until you've tried it. I mean, I have
Speaker 1: custom fit sets of verible length clubs that are fit
Speaker 1: to my body and my swing and fantastic and I
Speaker 1: hit them well. But to be able to pull any
Speaker 1: club out of your bag, that's an iron, okay, Obviously
Speaker 1: it changes when it gets to woods and hybrids and
Speaker 1: driver and you pull any of those irons out of
Speaker 1: your bag, it's the exact same setup. It's the same weight,
Speaker 1: it's the same feel, it's the same grip. The only
Speaker 1: thing that changes is how high it's coming off the face.
Speaker 1: And incredibly to me, once I started using them, I
Speaker 1: documented my social media documented my first round with them
Speaker 1: and my first shots with them. Didn't even go to
Speaker 1: the range with them, and didn't know the yardages of them.
Speaker 1: They're very close to your regular variable length irons. The
Speaker 1: switch over from a yardage perspective is almost nothing to
Speaker 1: give you to give you exact yardages and differences. Shall
Speaker 1: we say, standard length four iron would fly about two twelve,
Speaker 1: let's call it, and the same length fore iron will
Speaker 1: fly two oh six, So there's about a five or
Speaker 1: six yard difference, and it is lower because it's a
Speaker 1: it's a lower lofted and lower spin. So there's a
Speaker 1: consideration that has to happen. But there's an accuracy that
Speaker 1: goes with those. So there's there's gives and takes it
Speaker 1: with everything, but there's an accuracy that goes with those
Speaker 1: that is unmatched with other irons that I have played
Speaker 1: and didn't.
Speaker 2: There was no there was no process for you to
Speaker 2: adapt to them. It just immediately worked for you.
Speaker 1: I shot seventy one the first round that I ever
Speaker 1: played with them.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: On a course that was a mountain side course where
Speaker 1: you have to be there's sectional greens, you know, big
Speaker 1: curves in between significant there's significant ease in using them.
Speaker 1: There are a couple of tough points. Okay that the
Speaker 1: longest of the irons are touch points. That's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe there's some there definitely is some adjustment. And then
Speaker 1: the chipping around the greens took two rounds, let's call it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I would think that the wedges would
Speaker 2: be the hardest adjustment because you know, maybe even the
Speaker 2: shaf are different on the wedges or not they.
Speaker 1: Differ, they are different, but because they feel like all
Speaker 1: your other clubs, it's not notice unusual. And actually when
Speaker 1: I go back to a standard length wedge, I find
Speaker 1: myself bending over a lot in my back hurts or
Speaker 1: when i'm back so as an old fort like me,
Speaker 1: you know, child, I've got the gray hair to prove
Speaker 1: it it's good.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, don't don't even go there.
Speaker 1: Sorry to bring that one up anyway. But the other
Speaker 1: set that I have is kind of like the the
Speaker 1: other adjustment of it, or or maybe the best of
Speaker 1: both worlds. And so this is what this is the
Speaker 1: set that I'm actually playing with regularly. Now when when
Speaker 1: it's soft windy or I'm playing link style golf, I'll
Speaker 1: go to the ten club same length because i want
Speaker 1: everything low anyways. It gives you great flexibility there, keep
Speaker 1: everything low. It's very solid. Like hitting the center of
Speaker 1: the face is just easy. Okay. North American courses typically
Speaker 1: you have to fly longer shots higher because you got
Speaker 1: to carry bunkers. You got to stop it on the greens.
Speaker 1: You may be landing onto a downslope. So the the
Speaker 1: what the company calls a combo length set are six
Speaker 1: clubs nine iron length and then seven, six, five, four
Speaker 1: that get progressively longer, and so you have in your
Speaker 1: scoring clubs that same kind of consistency. And the way
Speaker 1: that I'm actually using them is I'm now gripping down
Speaker 1: on the seven, the six, the five, and the four
Speaker 1: to make them same length. Then if I need the
Speaker 1: extra height or the extra few yards, then I will
Speaker 1: add length in my grip. You have to be disciplined
Speaker 1: enough to do it. And now I've got the big
Speaker 1: grips on there too, So it feels good no matter
Speaker 1: how high you are on the shaft. But there is
Speaker 1: definitely some accuracy that leaves as soon as you length
Speaker 1: then out those four or five ins and it's not
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't get me wrong, It's not a lot,
Speaker 1: but it's noticeable. And so then I have to ask myself,
Speaker 1: if I'm sitting there at two oh five, do I
Speaker 1: want to hit a hard five high or do I
Speaker 1: want to pick that spot up the middle with the
Speaker 1: forearm that I know is going to go that direction
Speaker 1: and just and just hit that shot. And so I've
Speaker 1: I've I've found myself. I had to play with I say,
Speaker 1: I had to. I had to play with my my
Speaker 1: variable set just before a trip because I had all
Speaker 1: the clubs packed up, but I still wanted to play.
Speaker 1: So I went I would played, and you know, I
Speaker 1: found things like the gap wedge. You know, I'd stand
Speaker 1: over it and be like, this doesn't it doesn't feel right.
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like a pitching wedge or a nine iron.
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like a wedge. There was some unusual
Speaker 1: stuff for me when I went back that wasn't there
Speaker 1: with with with the same length system. So the way
Speaker 1: the way I explain it to people now is the
Speaker 1: more of the exact same waiting and length clubs that
Speaker 1: you have in the bag, the better you're going to
Speaker 1: be for accuracy. But you have to understand that there
Speaker 1: are some trade offs. The you know, the further you
Speaker 1: go in either direction from the seven iron, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I played. I played single length irons for a bit,
Speaker 2: but I just never could get my head into it
Speaker 2: and be comfortable to the point where I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is so much better than what I was doing before.
Speaker 2: You also mentioned to me about you're now trying to
Speaker 2: play golf left handed. Yes, and you are a right
Speaker 2: handed golfer.
Speaker 1: I am absolutely a right handed golfer. I've played thirty
Speaker 1: years agolf right handed. And what I produced a self
Speaker 1: paced video course earlier this year that was talking that
Speaker 1: that that helps with ball striking consistency. It's it works
Speaker 1: from the ball back from the two feet that we
Speaker 1: were talking about, works from their backwards, allowing you to
Speaker 1: build your own swing or how your body's going to
Speaker 1: get back to that point, and it's yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I figured, hey, it's it's simple, it's easy to follow.
Speaker 1: Bunch of people through it said hey, this is great, fantastic,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, I want to know what it's like.
Speaker 1: And I can't do it because I already know how
Speaker 1: to play golf right handed. So I'm like, hey, stupid idea.
Speaker 1: Why not try to learn the game all over again
Speaker 1: left handed? Okay?
Speaker 2: So now you said you were a baseball player as
Speaker 2: a kid. Were you a switch hitter?
Speaker 1: I was not a switch hitter, but I did play
Speaker 1: hockey left handed. Okay, so I hold the hockey stick
Speaker 1: left handed. But if you look at my left handed
Speaker 1: swing is not pretty. It's just it's not good golfing. Okay.
Speaker 1: But then, so what I did is I said, well,
Speaker 1: screw this. I'm going to say and I'm saying this
Speaker 1: publicly now see to you that I'm doing this until
Speaker 1: I break par left handed. It might take a while,
Speaker 1: might take a while. I have in production right now,
Speaker 1: just about ready to launch later this week as of
Speaker 1: the recording. I know the publish a publication is going
Speaker 1: to come out a little bit. But I my first
Speaker 1: ever round left handed, without going to the range or anything.
Speaker 1: I rented a set of left handed clubs and went
Speaker 1: out and played and documented it, scores and everything. All
Speaker 1: the strokes hit five balls out of bounds on one
Speaker 1: hole in the same spot with a giant place there
Speaker 1: was some good stuff, but there's some really really ugly stuff,
Speaker 1: and so I've been I've been working on it daily
Speaker 1: since then, and I'm gonna document it publicly. You'll be
Speaker 1: able to go to the channel and see the left
Speaker 1: handed series and how it's progressing. But some really interesting
Speaker 1: things came up, and in our pre chat before this podcast,
Speaker 1: we're talking about, you know, the mental game and how
Speaker 1: you can eliminate strokes, even my first round left handed
Speaker 1: to my second round left handed, changing my thinking to
Speaker 1: There was one shot in particular. It was on the
Speaker 1: tenth hole of my second round left handed, and I
Speaker 1: had one hundred and seventy yards to the hole, but
Speaker 1: in order to get to the hole, I had to
Speaker 1: carry a desert area and some pot bunkers and really
Speaker 1: some death zones for your scorecard. But to the left
Speaker 1: of the green was a big open fairway area and
Speaker 1: I've never aimed there before in my life right handed.
Speaker 1: It's just not somewhere I would have even thought. But
Speaker 1: as I'm standing there in the fairway, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: if I can just hit it into that big fairway section,
Speaker 1: I could chip, I could put from there, I could
Speaker 1: get it up onto the green and I'd make bogie
Speaker 1: instead of risking a double or triple bogie instead of
Speaker 1: the part. And I hit it. I hit it over
Speaker 1: to the left and I hit it into the big
Speaker 1: ferry part and I actually got up and down for
Speaker 1: par Wow, And I thought, how interesting that just changing
Speaker 1: how I'm thinking to being like, no, no, I don't
Speaker 1: even care where the pin is. I care where the
Speaker 1: biggest part of the fairway is. And because I don't
Speaker 1: even know how to hit a bunker shot left handed,
Speaker 1: yet I don't want to get in there, I can't
Speaker 1: get out, so I have to stay in the fairway.
Speaker 1: How can I stay in the fairway? So sometimes that
Speaker 1: meant hitting eight iron instead of five iron and just
Speaker 1: playing thirty yards short. Sometimes it meant aiming like absolutely
Speaker 1: the other direction of the water and then having a
Speaker 1: longer shot in. And now I'm starting to think of
Speaker 1: the game differently from the people that I'm trying to help,
Speaker 1: perspectives like, well, how do we help them? Well, you
Speaker 1: have to aim for your your ability always. So it's
Speaker 1: so interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds fascinating. So tell us about where we
Speaker 2: can find you online? What is a big swing kings
Speaker 2: dot com?
Speaker 1: Yes, you can see there in the hat. If it's
Speaker 1: on video or if it's own voice, it's Big Swing
Speaker 1: Kings and it's everywhere at Big Swing Kings. So website
Speaker 1: is Big Swing Kings, the YouTube, the TikTok, the instagram,
Speaker 1: the the everything.
Speaker 2: You give online lessons to.
Speaker 1: Online lessons, Yeah, through through skillstand through the website. You
Speaker 1: can book online lessons with me. You can even submit
Speaker 1: your swing for free and I will roast it. I mean,
Speaker 1: help you while also making fun content. But no, and
Speaker 1: that's the beautiful thing about golf is we all know
Speaker 1: that we suck. It doesn't matter what level you're at.
Speaker 1: You can watch the top pros on a bad day.
Speaker 1: We all know that we suck. And that's what makes
Speaker 1: it so much fun is that we can make fun
Speaker 1: of ourselves and we can see our errors in life.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's like how we should think about life.
Speaker 1: It's like, ah, we mess up all sorts of places,
Speaker 1: and we're okay looking at ourselves and saying, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what, that actually does need to change. And that's
Speaker 1: what I love so much about helping people in golfers
Speaker 1: that we all know that we need help.
Speaker 2: We all yeah, mar Martin Chuck said you can't embarrass me.
Speaker 2: I play golf exactly, so you can't say anything that
Speaker 2: will embarrass me.
Speaker 1: I have missed a two foot putt to win a match,
Speaker 1: like it's there.
Speaker 2: You should be looking at the hole.
Speaker 1: No, I need one of those balanced lie angle balanced putter.
Speaker 1: That's the newest trend, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Don't get me for not for golf smarter listeners, No, no, no, listen.
Speaker 2: We've been on lie angle balance. We've been on the
Speaker 2: Lab golf putter for since twenty nineteen. Huge advocate. Absolutely
Speaker 2: love those butters. So don't cross me here. This is
Speaker 2: not the time because we're about to say goodbye, David.
Speaker 2: This has been a lot of fun. Thank you so
Speaker 2: much for joining us today.
Speaker 1: I actually do have a Lab butter in the bag
Speaker 1: at the moment, so I can't say too much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course you do. Everyone should and probably will soon.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, David, thanks a lot, really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thank you friend.